From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Oct  1 01:54:50 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:54:50 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MGB O/D     Driveshafts
References: <20070928.111510.3844.0.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <015601c80402$5449af60$0200a8c0@Three>

A bit more information came my way the other day.  A friend was at my house 
(prior to a walking weekend in Snowdonia, MG content - we went in the V8) 
who happened to be an apprentice at Hardy Spicer many years ago.  He spotted 
the drawings on my desk and said he used to draw them up.  Then when he 
looked closer he said he didn't do those as they were wrong - the FFC 
dimension (Flange to Flange Closed) is measured between the machined faces 
of the flanges that the bolts go through i.e. round the outer edge, and not 
the fractionally longer dimension that you'd get measuring between the 
raised portion in the centre of the flanges which is what these drawings 
indicate.

PaulH.

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Mon Oct  1 06:22:49 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:22:49 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 77 MGB Wiring Diagram
References: <c6a.17c42f60.34271719@aol.com><126556.55381.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com><E1IZo4O-0002mn-Cz@delta.look.ca><000001c7feb0$29f304c0$7dd90e40$@com><E1IZoUR-0005IU-GS@delta.look.ca><004001c80391$7a93d8b0$97637dc7@Terrafirma>
	<01f301c80393$01685630$6401a8c0@Larry>
Message-ID: <004001c80425$c8d3bd80$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>

Listers,

The two loose leaf factory MGB shop manuals that I have contain wiring 
diagrams only to 1972. What's the best source of a correct W/D for a '77?

Is there an enlarged version available?

Thanks,

Ed Woods 

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  1 06:30:31 2007
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:30:31 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 77 MGB Wiring Diagram
References: <c6a.17c42f60.34271719@aol.com><126556.55381.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com><E1IZo4O-0002mn-Cz@delta.look.ca><000001c7feb0$29f304c0$7dd90e40$@com><E1IZoUR-0005IU-GS@delta.look.ca><004001c80391$7a93d8b0$97637dc7@Terrafirma><01f301c80393$01685630$6401a8c0@Larry>
	<004001c80425$c8d3bd80$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <02db01c80426$dcdd5420$6401a8c0@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:22 AM
Subject: [Mgs] 77 MGB Wiring Diagram


Listers,

The two loose leaf factory MGB shop manuals that I have contain wiring 
diagrams only to 1972. What's the best source of a correct W/D for a '77?

Is there an enlarged version available?

Thanks,

Ed Woods 
_______________________________________________

Ed,

Advance Auto Wire has drawings for all MGB's.

http://advanceautowire.com/mgb.pdf

Larry Daniels

79 MGB LE
60 Bugeye
67 Austin A60 Pickup (Ute)

"You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape. If it
doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it
shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape."

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 06:58:02 2007
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 05:58:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] 77 MGB Wiring Diagram
In-Reply-To: <004001c80425$c8d3bd80$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <747421.81637.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Ed Woods <fogbro1 at comcast.net> wrote: Listers,

The two loose leaf factory MGB shop manuals that I have contain wiring 
diagrams only to 1972. What's the best source of a correct W/D for a '77?

Is there an enlarged version available?

-----------------
Ed, there is a guy that sells nicely laminated, color 11" by 17" versions of wiring diagrams on eBay. He does business as 'Prospero's Garage' or something like that. maybe do a Google search for him. I have one for both my '65 and '76.




      Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - <cough cough> What's that smoke? <cough cough>
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, still is....
  '04 Audi A4 1.8T q MT-6 - quattro, baby! 
NAMGBR #5-2328 
  http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 07:44:01 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:44:01 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 77 MGB Wiring Diagram
In-Reply-To: <004001c80425$c8d3bd80$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
References: <c6a.17c42f60.34271719@aol.com><126556.55381.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com><E1IZo4O-0002mn-Cz@delta.look.ca><000001c7feb0$29f304c0$7dd90e40$@com><E1IZoUR-0005IU-GS@delta.look.ca><004001c80391$7a93d8b0$97637dc7@Terrafirma>
	<01f301c80393$01685630$6401a8c0@Larry>
	<004001c80425$c8d3bd80$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <4700F9A1.9030006@gmail.com>

Prospero's Garage on eBay has a nice laminated 11x17 one available.

Ed Woods wrote:
> Listers,
>
> The two loose leaf factory MGB shop manuals that I have contain wiring 
> diagrams only to 1972. What's the best source of a correct W/D for a '77?
>
> Is there an enlarged version available?

From mgbob at juno.com  Mon Oct  1 07:45:26 2007
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:45:26 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 77 MGB Wiring Diagram
Message-ID: <20071001.094545.3572.5.MGBOB@juno.com>

Ed,
   The workshop manual for rubber bumper cars,  maroon cover, has
diagrams for the later cars.
   Several of us were helping a club member with some electrical
questions recently. He had a diagram from Advanced, and the manual. 
While Advanced was certainly easier to read, we found that there were
differences in details.  MG was making many changes at this time. Haynes
and perhaps others too have diagrams for 'all' models that do not
necessarily correspond completely to each car. 
   If you can find a club member who has the maroon manual, you might
borrow, copy, enlarge and laminate the pages.
Bob
 
On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:22:49 -0400 "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
writes:
> Listers,
> 
> The two loose leaf factory MGB shop manuals that I have contain 
> wiring 
> diagrams only to 1972. What's the best source of a correct W/D for a 
> '77?
> 
> Is there an enlarged version available?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ed Woods 

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Mon Oct  1 07:58:06 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:58:06 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] 77 MGB Wiring Diagram
References: <c6a.17c42f60.34271719@aol.com><126556.55381.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com><E1IZo4O-0002mn-Cz@delta.look.ca><000001c7feb0$29f304c0$7dd90e40$@com><E1IZoUR-0005IU-GS@delta.look.ca><004001c80391$7a93d8b0$97637dc7@Terrafirma><01f301c80393$01685630$6401a8c0@Larry>
	<004001c80425$c8d3bd80$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
	<02db01c80426$dcdd5420$6401a8c0@Larry>
Message-ID: <002101c80433$18385f90$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>

Thank you all for your replies. I have a pdf file now and leads to other 
versions.

Ed 

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 10:17:04 2007
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:17:04 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] 78 B fires right up and dies
In-Reply-To: <004001c80391$7a93d8b0$97637dc7@Terrafirma>
References: <c6a.17c42f60.34271719@aol.com><126556.55381.qm@web42108.mail.mud.yahoo.com><E1IZo4O-0002mn-Cz@delta.look.ca><000001c7feb0$29f304c0$7dd90e40$@com>
	<E1IZoUR-0005IU-GS@delta.look.ca>
	<004001c80391$7a93d8b0$97637dc7@Terrafirma>
Message-ID: <47011D80.6050209@gmail.com>

Blair J. Weiss wrote:
> List,
> I am having another (probably simple) problem...
>
> Turn the key, the motor fires right up. Return the key from start to 
> regular, engine dies. If I hold the key in the start position, the motor 
> will run (and so does the starter motor)... trust me I know the difference 
> between really running and just kinda running along with the starter 
> engaged...
>
> I don't have a schematic handy and I don't have a second person to turn the 
> key while I check voltages... Are there two different contacts on the 
> starter switch, one on the regular on position and another on the start 
> position... could I just have dirty contacts or does this seem like 
> something else?
I'm guessing you have a 9 volt coil. This was an design that was supposed to make starting easier, since it provided full coil voltage while starting, but put a resistor in the ignition circuit when running. 

I'm guessing the resistor has burned out or the connections to it have gone open, so the straight circuit provides voltage to the ignition when starting, but provides none when running. Some BMC cars use an actual resistor, but others use a length of resistor wire, usually pink.

You can use a wire with alligator clips to bypass the resistor, but it will provide too much voltage to the ignition circuit and might possibly eventually damage the coil.

I prefer to use a 12 volt coil and bypass the resistor, since even though the drain from the starter will draw down the ignition voltage to around 9 volts, if everything is in good shape, it will start just fine.

-The Roxter
--

From mg.carma at verizon.net  Tue Oct  2 06:48:03 2007
From: mg.carma at verizon.net (Kevin Richards)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:48:03 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Bob Carbone on Today show
Message-ID: <1586CE51-2201-4547-A86A-8E0C914EA2D5@verizon.net>

Looks like a MG guy made it to the Today show.....has a red MGA and a  
Green TD.

His cars were in the background while they were doing a story on "how  
not to buy a flooded car"...
pretty cool
K

From schultejim at msn.com  Tue Oct  2 06:56:20 2007
From: schultejim at msn.com (James Schulte)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:56:20 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] FW: Lights
Message-ID: <BAY116-F40031C233D9F5F628CCC1CDBAE0@phx.gbl>

A friend is having these problems. Any comments from the electric guru's

Gents:  My high beams on the "B" work but not the low beams on either
>side.  I have a fog and driving light.  The driving light activates with
>the high beam.   Fuse?  Thanks.  Glenn


Jim Schulte
Aquatic Coordinator Souderton S.D.
Co-Secretary Philadelphia MG Club
Co-Coordinator MG 2008
Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct  2 07:25:37 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:25:37 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] FW: Lights
References: <BAY116-F40031C233D9F5F628CCC1CDBAE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002401c804f9$02d747d0$0200a8c0@Three>

No fuses in factory wiring.  Sounds like either the dip-switch not working 
on the dipped side, or the blue/red wire open-circuit between the dip-switch 
and the left-hand headlamp.  Or possibly both dipped filaments failed, or 
both dipped beam wires in the headlamp tails failed.  But if it was a sudden 
failure both sides then these last two are unlikely.

An open-circuit could happen in various places according to the year of the 
car and where dip-switch is, but one place common to all cars is the 4-way 
bullet connector by the right-hand headlight.  If the wire coming in is 
corroded or has pulled out it will affect both sides.  But if the fog-light 
is wired to be available, via its own switch, when the dipped beams are on, 
and that isn't working either, then it is probably the dip-switch itself or 
connector by it.  Early cars had bullet connectors for the foot-operated 
dip-switch, don't know where these are.  For cars with the column operated 
dip-switch there is a multi-way plug and socket by the steering column, and 
it is possible for a pin to get partially pushed out in these.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Gents:  My high beams on the "B" work but not the low beams on either
>>side.  I have a fog and driving light.  The driving light activates with
>>the high beam.   Fuse? 

From saidel at camden.rutgers.edu  Tue Oct  2 11:30:17 2007
From: saidel at camden.rutgers.edu (Bill Saidel)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:30:17 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Bentley's electrical connection
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20071002131600.02587c50@camden.rutgers.edu>

I know Lucas has a bad name.  Not sure if it is still warranted but 
here is a pseudoelectrical problem not of Lucas's making.

I just bought a new Bentley's 62-74, having acquired a '74 CBB 
recently.  Am having starter problems so I went to the wiring diagram 
(p. 311).  All these interesting diagrams but the newest (#13) is 
listed as 1971-72.

Was there no circuit change between '71 and '74 or has the '74 
circuit diagram disappeared into the ether?

Bill Saidel
'74 B
'76 (2/3rds of a B)
BMCSNJ

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Tue Oct  2 21:16:08 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:16:08 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Weber downdraft
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071002131600.02587c50@camden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <004b01c8056b$be3ff040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>

List,

Well, I'm going to resurrect this subject again. I finally got around to 
removing this Weber from a '77 MGB.

This particular carb has an electrically operated choke. How does it work? 
It appears to be connected to a +12V source, not to a transducer of any 
kind. How does it compensate for engine temperature?

Ed Woods 

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Tue Oct  2 22:32:31 2007
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 23:32:31 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Weber downdraft
In-Reply-To: <004b01c8056b$be3ff040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071002131600.02587c50@camden.rutgers.edu>
	<004b01c8056b$be3ff040$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <47031B5F.9040900@ktc.com>

  It's a bimetallic wound strip with a current run through it. It's 
strictly a matter of time on the opening delay.  The hotter it is under 
the hood to begin with, the less time it takes to open.

   CR


Ed Woods wrote:
> List,
> 
> Well, I'm going to resurrect this subject again. I finally got around to 
> removing this Weber from a '77 MGB.
> 
> This particular carb has an electrically operated choke. How does it work? 
> It appears to be connected to a +12V source, not to a transducer of any 
> kind. How does it compensate for engine temperature?
> 
> Ed Woods 
> _______________________________________________
> ccrobins at ktc.com
> 
> Edit your replies
> 
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Oct  3 01:57:19 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:57:19 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Bentley's electrical connection
References: <7.0.1.0.1.20071002131600.02587c50@camden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <005701c80593$f69fd360$0200a8c0@Three>

I was under the impression that the Bentleys series were American reprints 
of the Leyland (or whatever) originals.  My 1976 issue of the Leyland 
Workshop Manual has 11 pages for UK cars pretty-well annually up to 1977 and 
for North American variations 8 pages up to 73-74.  And therein seems to lie 
the problem - for some reason a specific manual year seems to have the North 
American diagrams lagging behind.

For circuit diagrams you really need to get the latest version of the 
manual, which if like the Leyland contains all the information for the 
previous years, plus major mechanical differences.  However some small 
mechanical differences from one year to another may only appear as changed 
information in that years manual, and not as a variation, i.e. the earlier 
version is 'lost' in the later manuals.  But having said that I've never had 
a problem using my 76 manual for my 73 car.  However the problem with buying 
the latest Bentley package to get the latest diagrams is that you will then 
end up with the wrong version of the drivers handbook etc. that are part of 
the package.  A case for buying the manual and handbook separately.

The upshot is that my 76 Leyland book has 73/74 North American diagram, 
which I'll scan and send to you separately.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Was there no circuit change between '71 and '74 or has the '74
> circuit diagram disappeared into the ether?

From rolindsay at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  3 07:56:20 2007
From: rolindsay at yahoo.com (Rick Lindsay)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:56:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Weber downdraft
In-Reply-To: <47031B5F.9040900@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <792042.32618.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Also, "time" is not defined as "engine running time". 
It is just time since the current was first applied to
the bi-metal coil.  If you have to crank and crank and
crank OR if you leave the ignition turned on for some
time before trying to start the car, you may get no
enrichment of charge at all.  The unit knows nothing
about what the engine is doing.

rick

--- Charles & Peggy Robinson <ccrobins at ktc.com> wrote:

>   It's a bimetallic wound strip with a current run
> through it. It's 
> strictly a matter of time on the opening delay.  The
> hotter it is under 
> the hood to begin with, the less time it takes to
> open.
> 
>    CR
> 
> 
> Ed Woods wrote:
> > List,
> > 
> > Well, I'm going to resurrect this subject again. I
> finally got around to 
> > removing this Weber from a '77 MGB.
> > 
> > This particular carb has an electrically operated
> choke. How does it work? 
> > It appears to be connected to a +12V source, not
> to a transducer of any 
> > kind. How does it compensate for engine
> temperature?
> > 
> > Ed Woods 
> > _______________________________________________
> > ccrobins at ktc.com
> > 
> > Edit your replies
> > 
> > Mgs at autox.team.net
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs
> _______________________________________________
> rolindsay at yahoo.com
> 
> Edit your replies
> 
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

From lists at brits-n-pieces.com  Wed Oct  3 10:28:12 2007
From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken))
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:28:12 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Test, please delete
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAPO6xBf31l1Dm6bMijCNPYbCgAAAEAAAAHBk9YEE5ONJkKoVyRFe2yoBAAAAAA==@brits-n-pieces.com>

Test

From 1971mgb at cox.net  Thu Oct  4 14:46:51 2007
From: 1971mgb at cox.net (1971-red-mgb)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 16:46:51 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] carburetors HS4
Message-ID: <010201c806c7$b1570d70$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>

when adjusting the HS4 carburetors on the MGB is clockwise enriching the
mixture? counterclockwise going to lean? I'm drawing a blank, thank you for
the advise.

From dennis_cox at appsig.com  Thu Oct  4 15:20:45 2007
From: dennis_cox at appsig.com (COX, DENNIS)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:20:45 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] carburetors HS4
In-Reply-To: <010201c806c7$b1570d70$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>
References: <010201c806c7$b1570d70$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>
Message-ID: <4321388593DE5D4585C715ED5643C9185F327C@EXCHANGEVS01.appsig.com>

You "screw it up" to lean it...  That's per my SU manual.

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+dennis_cox=appsig.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+dennis_cox=appsig.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
1971-red-mgb
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:47 PM
To: MG LIST
Subject: [Mgs] carburetors HS4

when adjusting the HS4 carburetors on the MGB is clockwise enriching the
mixture? counterclockwise going to lean? I'm drawing a blank, thank you
for
the advise.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 16:31:20 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:31:20 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Alternator
Message-ID: <F690354F-E7B3-4A37-858B-E772CCECB5D0@gmail.com>

So the alternator from the local supply store came in finally. It  
wasn't the cheaper of the
two choices. That was unavailable. But this was only $90.

Anyway, I've got two problems.

1. I don't have the little key for locking the chuck to the pulley. I  
don't remember taking one out, of
either alternator. And I can't find them.

2. It won't go on.  The back mount point has a stand off, like the  
original. Except the original is
on the inside of the bracket. This one is on the backside of the  
bracket so it doesn't allow the alternator
back far enough for the front bracket to meet up with the mount  
point, and the pivot arm doesn't meet
up either.

I've already called Quality Coaches,  Mark has one. I was going to  
get as a spare. I can get some keys
for the chuck while I'm at it. I was going to get the second one from  
him anyway, to have a spare. But
I thought this would be quicker, since getting to South MPLS is a bit  
of a pain with the 35W bridge out.


Can I hack saw the stand-off off? Or is that structural in some way.

Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 16:58:15 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:58:15 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Alternator
In-Reply-To: <F690354F-E7B3-4A37-858B-E772CCECB5D0@gmail.com>
References: <F690354F-E7B3-4A37-858B-E772CCECB5D0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1EBE304-7709-47A0-9A92-1897BFE9A1D5@gmail.com>

Here's a picture.

http://www.joshsjottings.com/~ptroot/PA040007.JPG

The green one is the new one with the stand-off going the wrong way.

Oh, and I tried moving the rear bracket back further, it won't go  
back far enough.

On Oct 4, 2007, at 5:31 PM, Paul Root wrote:

> So the alternator from the local supply store came in finally. It  
> wasn't the cheaper of the
> two choices. That was unavailable. But this was only $90.
>
> Anyway, I've got two problems.
>
> 1. I don't have the little key for locking the chuck to the pulley.  
> I don't remember taking one out, of
> either alternator. And I can't find them.
>
> 2. It won't go on.  The back mount point has a stand off, like the  
> original. Except the original is
> on the inside of the bracket. This one is on the backside of the  
> bracket so it doesn't allow the alternator
> back far enough for the front bracket to meet up with the mount  
> point, and the pivot arm doesn't meet
> up either.
>
> I've already called Quality Coaches,  Mark has one. I was going to  
> get as a spare. I can get some keys
> for the chuck while I'm at it. I was going to get the second one  
> from him anyway, to have a spare. But
> I thought this would be quicker, since getting to South MPLS is a  
> bit of a pain with the 35W bridge out.
>
>
> Can I hack saw the stand-off off? Or is that structural in some way.
>
> Paul Root
> ptrmgb at gmail.com
> 77 MGB
> 99 OBS
>
>
>

Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  4 17:03:50 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:03:50 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Alternator
In-Reply-To: <B1EBE304-7709-47A0-9A92-1897BFE9A1D5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C32ABF66.13BC0%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

All of those that I have ever encountered were just press fits. Just lean on
it a bit with a clamp, bench vise or BFH and it should assume the correct
position.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 10/4/07 3:58 PM, Paul Root at ptrmgb at gmail.com wrote:

> Here's a picture.
> 
> http://www.joshsjottings.com/~ptroot/PA040007.JPG
> 
> The green one is the new one with the stand-off going the wrong way.
> 
> Oh, and I tried moving the rear bracket back further, it won't go
> back far enough.
> 
> On Oct 4, 2007, at 5:31 PM, Paul Root wrote:
> 
>> So the alternator from the local supply store came in finally. It
>> wasn't the cheaper of the
>> two choices. That was unavailable. But this was only $90.
>> 
>> Anyway, I've got two problems.
>> 
>> 1. I don't have the little key for locking the chuck to the pulley.
>> I don't remember taking one out, of
>> either alternator. And I can't find them.
>> 
>> 2. It won't go on.  The back mount point has a stand off, like the
>> original. Except the original is
>> on the inside of the bracket. This one is on the backside of the
>> bracket so it doesn't allow the alternator
>> back far enough for the front bracket to meet up with the mount
>> point, and the pivot arm doesn't meet
>> up either.
>> 
>> I've already called Quality Coaches,  Mark has one. I was going to
>> get as a spare. I can get some keys
>> for the chuck while I'm at it. I was going to get the second one
>> from him anyway, to have a spare. But
>> I thought this would be quicker, since getting to South MPLS is a
>> bit of a pain with the 35W bridge out.
>> 
>> 
>> Can I hack saw the stand-off off? Or is that structural in some way.
>> 
>> Paul Root
>> ptrmgb at gmail.com
>> 77 MGB
>> 99 OBS
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> Paul Root
> ptrmgb at gmail.com
> 77 MGB
> 99 OBS

From shop at justbrits.com  Thu Oct  4 17:40:13 2007
From: shop at justbrits.com (shop at justbrits.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:40:13 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Alternator
References: <F690354F-E7B3-4A37-858B-E772CCECB5D0@gmail.com>
	<B1EBE304-7709-47A0-9A92-1897BFE9A1D5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017b01c806df$e94695d0$6601a8c0@actualshop>

Paul:

REDUCE the pic if you want folks to look at it.  2816pxs x 2112pxs!!!  I'm
looking at a 21" flat screen default monitor setting is 800 x 600 (by MY
choice!!) because I really do not like having my nose plaster to the screen
inorder to read.  I tried a re-set to 1024pxs and that also is useless!!!!

And a FYI & FWIW folks, those of you putting pics up in albums on or your own
site you WILL free up a LOT of space by reducing a give "still" pic (*.jpg,
*.bmp, *gif) to 10 dpi/pxs.  You CANNOT see the diff on web based pics.
Printing??
Different story.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 19:04:10 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:04:10 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Alternator
In-Reply-To: <C32ABF66.13BC0%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C32ABF66.13BC0%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <0E0F208E-54F6-4DE0-97FD-A9102CB78949@gmail.com>

I'll look at it again, but it doesn't look like a press fit.


On Oct 4, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Max Heim wrote:

> All of those that I have ever encountered were just press fits.  
> Just lean on
> it a bit with a clamp, bench vise or BFH and it should assume the  
> correct
> position.
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
> on 10/4/07 3:58 PM, Paul Root at ptrmgb at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here's a picture.
>>
>> http://www.joshsjottings.com/~ptroot/PA040007.JPG
>>
>> The green one is the new one with the stand-off going the wrong way.
>>
>> Oh, and I tried moving the rear bracket back further, it won't go
>> back far enough.
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2007, at 5:31 PM, Paul Root wrote:
>>
>>> So the alternator from the local supply store came in finally. It
>>> wasn't the cheaper of the
>>> two choices. That was unavailable. But this was only $90.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I've got two problems.
>>>
>>> 1. I don't have the little key for locking the chuck to the pulley.
>>> I don't remember taking one out, of
>>> either alternator. And I can't find them.
>>>
>>> 2. It won't go on.  The back mount point has a stand off, like the
>>> original. Except the original is
>>> on the inside of the bracket. This one is on the backside of the
>>> bracket so it doesn't allow the alternator
>>> back far enough for the front bracket to meet up with the mount
>>> point, and the pivot arm doesn't meet
>>> up either.
>>>
>>> I've already called Quality Coaches,  Mark has one. I was going to
>>> get as a spare. I can get some keys
>>> for the chuck while I'm at it. I was going to get the second one
>>> from him anyway, to have a spare. But
>>> I thought this would be quicker, since getting to South MPLS is a
>>> bit of a pain with the 35W bridge out.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can I hack saw the stand-off off? Or is that structural in some way.
>>>
>>> Paul Root
>>> ptrmgb at gmail.com
>>> 77 MGB
>>> 99 OBS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Paul Root
>> ptrmgb at gmail.com
>> 77 MGB
>> 99 OBS
> _______________________________________________
> ptrmgb at gmail.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 19:10:43 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:10:43 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Alternator
In-Reply-To: <017b01c806df$e94695d0$6601a8c0@actualshop>
References: <F690354F-E7B3-4A37-858B-E772CCECB5D0@gmail.com>
	<B1EBE304-7709-47A0-9A92-1897BFE9A1D5@gmail.com>
	<017b01c806df$e94695d0$6601a8c0@actualshop>
Message-ID: <38107716-68EB-4FDB-83BD-EE725C31C7A5@gmail.com>

Sorry,

	I had barely enough time to take the picture and put it on the  
computer.

	And reducing looses detail.



On Oct 4, 2007, at 6:40 PM, <shop at justbrits.com> <shop at justbrits.com>  
wrote:

> Paul:
>
> REDUCE the pic if you want folks to look at it.  2816pxs x  
> 2112pxs!!!  I'm
> looking at a 21" flat screen default monitor setting is 800 x 600  
> (by MY
> choice!!) because I really do not like having my nose plaster to  
> the screen
> inorder to read.  I tried a re-set to 1024pxs and that also is  
> useless!!!!
>
> And a FYI & FWIW folks, those of you putting pics up in albums on  
> or your own
> site you WILL free up a LOT of space by reducing a give "still" pic  
> (*.jpg,
> *.bmp, *gif) to 10 dpi/pxs.  You CANNOT see the diff on web based  
> pics.
> Printing??
> Different story.
> _______________________________________________
> ptrmgb at gmail.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 19:11:28 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:11:28 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Alternator
In-Reply-To: <C32ABF66.13BC0%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C32ABF66.13BC0%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <3F6E3067-46B5-4B44-9DFE-84EDE1214028@gmail.com>

We have a winner.

It is a press fit. It just didn't look like it because the quick  
paint job they did on
it.

Thanks, Max!


On Oct 4, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Max Heim wrote:

> All of those that I have ever encountered were just press fits.  
> Just lean on
> it a bit with a clamp, bench vise or BFH and it should assume the  
> correct
> position.
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
> on 10/4/07 3:58 PM, Paul Root at ptrmgb at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here's a picture.
>>
>> http://www.joshsjottings.com/~ptroot/PA040007.JPG
>>
>> The green one is the new one with the stand-off going the wrong way.
>>
>> Oh, and I tried moving the rear bracket back further, it won't go
>> back far enough.
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2007, at 5:31 PM, Paul Root wrote:
>>
>>> So the alternator from the local supply store came in finally. It
>>> wasn't the cheaper of the
>>> two choices. That was unavailable. But this was only $90.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I've got two problems.
>>>
>>> 1. I don't have the little key for locking the chuck to the pulley.
>>> I don't remember taking one out, of
>>> either alternator. And I can't find them.
>>>
>>> 2. It won't go on.  The back mount point has a stand off, like the
>>> original. Except the original is
>>> on the inside of the bracket. This one is on the backside of the
>>> bracket so it doesn't allow the alternator
>>> back far enough for the front bracket to meet up with the mount
>>> point, and the pivot arm doesn't meet
>>> up either.
>>>
>>> I've already called Quality Coaches,  Mark has one. I was going to
>>> get as a spare. I can get some keys
>>> for the chuck while I'm at it. I was going to get the second one
>>> from him anyway, to have a spare. But
>>> I thought this would be quicker, since getting to South MPLS is a
>>> bit of a pain with the 35W bridge out.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can I hack saw the stand-off off? Or is that structural in some way.
>>>
>>> Paul Root
>>> ptrmgb at gmail.com
>>> 77 MGB
>>> 99 OBS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Paul Root
>> ptrmgb at gmail.com
>> 77 MGB
>> 99 OBS
> _______________________________________________
> ptrmgb at gmail.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From shop at justbrits.com  Thu Oct  4 20:33:49 2007
From: shop at justbrits.com (shop at justbrits.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:33:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Alternator
References: <F690354F-E7B3-4A37-858B-E772CCECB5D0@gmail.com>
	<B1EBE304-7709-47A0-9A92-1897BFE9A1D5@gmail.com>
	<017b01c806df$e94695d0$6601a8c0@actualshop>
	<38107716-68EB-4FDB-83BD-EE725C31C7A5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <023b01c806f8$2a055df0$6601a8c0@actualshop>

<<And reducing looses detail. >>

NOT for web work, Paul.  As i said, PRINTING (as in on paper), Yep.

Take any pic you have at let's say 1024 w w/res or 72 or higher.  Leave at
1024 and reduce to 10.

FIFTY bucks says you can't see the diff (not sure about if magnify glass would
change).

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Oct  5 02:45:38 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:45:38 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] carburetors HS4
References: <010201c806c7$b1570d70$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>
	<4321388593DE5D4585C715ED5643C9185F327C@EXCHANGEVS01.appsig.com>
Message-ID: <010201c8072c$c38a10e0$0200a8c0@Three>

Or looking at it another way, like down onto the top of the carb, you do 
turn it clockwise to enrich and anti-clockwise to lean as you say.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> You "screw it up" to lean it...  That's per my SU manual.
>
> when adjusting the HS4 carburetors on the MGB is clockwise enriching the
> mixture? counterclockwise going to lean? 

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  5 05:59:34 2007
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 04:59:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Alternator
In-Reply-To: <017b01c806df$e94695d0$6601a8c0@actualshop>
Message-ID: <312010.96272.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

shop at justbrits.com wrote: Paul:

REDUCE the pic if you want folks to look at it.  2816pxs x 2112pxs!!!  Came up fine for me on my crappy ThinkPad monitor. Was sized properly and all.



      Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - <cough cough> What's that smoke? <cough cough>
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, still is....
  '04 Audi A4 1.8T q MT-6 - quattro, baby! 
NAMGBR #5-2328 
  http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  5 14:56:48 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:56:48 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] A plug for Bill
Message-ID: <C32BF320.13C09%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I see lister Bill Spohn was published in R&T this month, writing in about
his Jamaican -- even got a photo. I don't know if anyone noticed my letter
in last month's issue. It was admittedly OT...



--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Fri Oct  5 15:15:30 2007
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:15:30 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] A plug for Bill
Message-ID: <cc3.181dfec2.34380372@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/5/2007 2:10:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:

I see  lister Bill Spohn was published in R&T this month, writing in about
his  Jamaican -- even got a photo. I don't know if anyone noticed my letter
in  last month's issue. It was admittedly OT...



Hi Max. I just got my copy a day ago.  I had to go take a new picture  as 
they asked or a high resolution image even for the relatively small picture -  
dedication to quality, I guess.
 
I stuck the image on my site at _http://www.rhodo.citymax.com/i
/non-rhodo/side1resize.jpg_ (http://www.rhodo.citymax.com/i/non-rhodo/side1resize.jpg) 
 
Bill

From mjanacek at snet.net  Fri Oct  5 18:12:01 2007
From: mjanacek at snet.net (Mike Janacek)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:12:01 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] A plug for Bill
References: <cc3.181dfec2.34380372@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004401c807ad$850c1f80$200aff4c@DESKTOP>

Bill,

Nice pic, even nicer car, but looks like you've done too many "doughnuts" in 
the lot! ;o)

Mike
'79B

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <WSpohn4 at aol.com>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] A plug for Bill


> In a message dated 10/5/2007 2:10:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> I see  lister Bill Spohn was published in R&T this month, writing in about
> his  Jamaican -- even got a photo. I don't know if anyone noticed my 
> letter
> in  last month's issue. It was admittedly OT...
>
>
>
> Hi Max. I just got my copy a day ago.  I had to go take a new picture  as
> they asked or a high resolution image even for the relatively small 
> picture -
> dedication to quality, I guess.
>
> I stuck the image on my site at _http://www.rhodo.citymax.com/i
> /non-rhodo/side1resize.jpg_ 
> (http://www.rhodo.citymax.com/i/non-rhodo/side1resize.jpg)
>
> Bill

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Fri Oct  5 18:16:21 2007
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:16:21 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] A plug for Bill
Message-ID: <d61.14157fac.34382dd5@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/10/2007 5:12:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
mjanacek at snet.net writes:

Nice  pic, even nicer car, but looks like you've done too many "doughnuts" in 
 
the lot! ;o)



Well that lot is actually half way up a local mountain. I use it to take  
pictures out in nature without anything else around, but the local motorcycle  
weenies also go up there and roar around where the police won't bother them, and 
 that is what leaves all the marks.  While I was there, I heard  
...roar.....crash!  As some twit dropped his bike trying too hard.
 
Same lot I took this picture in:
 
 (http://www.rhodo.citymax.com/page/page/112402.htm) 
 
_http://www.rhodo.citymax.com/i/non-rhodo/iconjpg.jpg_ 
(http://www.rhodo.citymax.com/i/non-rhodo/iconjpg.jpg) 

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct  5 22:45:47 2007
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:45:47 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] way off topic - early ford mustangs
References: <004c01c7fc40$247ee170$9adee018@D95Y3D91>
	<005401c7fc5d$810a9160$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <002201c807d3$f4da4be0$800101df@Garage.local>

hi, all.  i apologize for the ot question.

my teenage daughter is longing for an early mustang.  if there is an early 
mustang afficionado on the list, would you please contact me offline.

thanks. 

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 10:33:14 2007
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:33:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] A plug for Bill
Message-ID: <733308.81718.qm@web50902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

----- Original Message ----
From: Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
To: MG
List <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2007 4:56:48 PM
Subject:
[Mgs] A plug for Bill

I see lister Bill Spohn was published in R&T this
month, writing in about
his Jamaican -- even got a photo. I don't know if
anyone noticed my letter
in last month's issue. It was admittedly OT...
-------------------
Cool, haven't read R&T in a while, I have to visit the
library today so I will check out both 'articles'....

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sat Oct  6 12:31:07 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:31:07 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: SOS '07 Grillin' and Chillin'
Message-ID: <001301c80847$1108f8c0$331aea40$@com>

Subject: SOS '07 Grillin' and Chillin'

 

Yes indeed, it's that time again to begin the plans for SOS '07 "Grillin' &
Chillin'".

 

So far, we have a number of projects on tap..

 

We have 6 Spridgets to dismantle, strip, give away, or turn into a bench
vices you can buy at Harbor Freight next year.

 

Take the former "Gift Sprite", and turn it into a barbecue grill that Peter
the Parts Pimp can to the races with his Mini.

 

Help Kris Larsen do final assembly on his race car "Sta Puff".

 

Sandblast (or bead blast) numerous components. yours, mine, or stuff we pull
off of the aforementioned 6 Spridgets.

 

Any other projects you'd like to toss in the mix. suggestions welcome.

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



wsthompson at thicko.com

www.thicko.com <http://www.thicko.com/> 

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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sat Oct  6 12:31:23 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:31:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: SOS dates
Message-ID: <001901c80847$1aa57390$4ff05ab0$@com>

SOS will once again take place the Friday and Saturday after Thanksgiving.

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



wsthompson at thicko.com

www.thicko.com <http://www.thicko.com/> 

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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sat Oct  6 12:31:41 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:31:41 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: SOS '07, a Little bit of Spridget Heaven part 1
Message-ID: <001f01c80847$25697e70$703c7b50$@com>

Hey y'all,

 

Preparations for "SOS '07 a Little Bit of Spridget Heaven" are well
underway. Once again, SOS will be held at the Dream Farm, in beautiful
Eldorado, WI.

 

The list of projects continues to grow. 

 

Bud Pazur's Bugeye "Mr. White" will be here for a roll bar installation. 

 

Kris Larsen's "StaPuff" racecar will be getting final assembly. 

 

I dug up a Bugeye bonnet project that should be interesting, educational,
and a general pain in the ass. I have a decent bonnet on a racecar where
there fender lips were cut back (a lot) for fiberglass flare installation.
We'll extract that portion of the fender lip from a very rotted and banged
up bonnet I have, and fit them to the good one. "Measure twice. cut once. I
cut it 3 times and it's still too short" kind of deal. So, we'll be doing
some welding.

 

At the pace Larry "Mr. Peepers" Daniels is getting to his project. we have a
few choices. either he continue to put about 10 man hours into it a year for
a hundred years, or we get a hundred guys here that can donate 10 hours of
time. So, with that in mind, there will be lots of help need in Larry's
project.

 

Tomorrow, brother Don and I are retrieving 2 of the 5 cars I bought in
Madison a few weeks ago. 2 Bugeyes, and 3 Spridgets. We may add some of the
worst of them to the "blue wrench" pile. (gas torch for those paying
attention).

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



wsthompson at thicko.com

www.thicko.com <http://www.thicko.com/> 

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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sat Oct  6 12:31:55 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:31:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: SOS '07, a Little bit of Spridget Heaven part 2
Message-ID: <002501c80847$2d7a5030$886ef090$@com>

Part 2

 

You need not have mechanical ability to attend. You can just watch, eat, and
drink if you'd like.

 

Remember, the Dream Farm is located about an hour north of Milwaukee,
between Fond du Lac and Oshkosh. We're very close to the <EAA
<http://www.eaa.org/> > for those that would like to combine SOS with a trip
to the museum. Also a couple of miles away, the <Glacier Ridge Animal Farm
<http://www.glacierridgeanimalfarm.com/> > is also a nice diversion. 

 

Also, we do have the ability to put some folks up here, whether it be in the
house, in the shop, or in the camper for those that need a place to stay.
There are also many hotel choices on either side of us, but reservations
should be booked sooner than later on a holiday weekend. 

 

Once again, we'll broadcast the event via Yahoo Messenger, video, and audio,
with real time ability to ask questions of the participants from viewers
around the world. Get your Yahoo ID and download Yahoo Messenger from
http://messenger.yahoo.com/. Add <floundervision> to your friends list.

 

More later.

I'd like to do one motor assembly.. So, if no one else brings a motor to
build, I'll come up with one.

 

As always, kids and spouses are welcome. We may have some time set aside for
the go kart track, if the weather cooperates. We'll be coming up with some
non-homo club  activities for those womenfolk that would like to come along,
but not spend all day with us dopes in the shop. Details on that as they
develop.

 

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



wsthompson at thicko.com

www.thicko.com <http://www.thicko.com/> 

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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sat Oct  6 12:32:16 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:32:16 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: SOS '07 for the uninitiated
Message-ID: <002b01c80847$3a167670$ae436350$@com>

Hey y'all,

 

Yes. this message is for the uninitiated. Of course, the initiated have
already "run the gauntlet", and know what's in store for them.

 

Generally, we get started around 10AM. We'll work 'til around 4PM. Since
we'll have at least 3 or 4 simultaneous projects, you can jump in on
whatever interests you. If you're coming to learn, don't be shy. If you're
coming just to hang out, that is absolutely OK too. You need not be an
expert at anything to attend. just enjoy people or cars, or both.

 

If you intend to get dirty, please make sure to bring a change of clothes,
as we're go out for dinner Friday night. We'll be serving lunch both Fri. &
Sat. If you'd like to bring something to serve, please let me know in
advance. For those of you that can't attend, we do accept food
contributions, if you can safely ship them in a manner that won't kill us.
In the past, folks have sent clams, scrapple, calamari, brats, etc. 

 

The Thicko International World Headquarters are located at the Dream Farm. a
10 acre farm between Fond du Lac & Oshkosh Wisconsin.  We're smack dab in
the middle of dairy farm country. The Thicko shop (yes, it is also known as
the "homo club" ) is well lit, and well heated, should the weather be crap,
as it often is that time of year, we'll be comfortable. We have plenty of
parking.

 

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



wsthompson at thicko.com

www.thicko.com <http://www.thicko.com/> 

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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sat Oct  6 12:32:31 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:32:31 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: SOS '07 little projects
Message-ID: <003101c80847$430e73e0$c92b5ba0$@com>

We've got the ability to do a fair amount of sandblasting here.

 

If the weather's at all decent, you're welcome to do outdoor sandblasting of
anything large that you need to get to. Media (sand) is available minutes
away. 

 

As far as smaller stuff, we have one large cabinet. with sand, plenty big
for suspension parts, wheels, etc. Then there's a smaller cabinet with glass
bead for more delicate stuff you might need to clean up.

 

If you have stuff that needs cleaning up, bring it with you. I expect you'll
have an opportunity to get it done.

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



wsthompson at thicko.com

www.thicko.com <http://www.thicko.com/> 

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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sat Oct  6 12:32:46 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:32:46 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: SOS special project
Message-ID: <003701c80847$4c71b640$e55522c0$@com>

As mentioned earlier, I recently bought 5 Spridgets from the Madison area.
The woman I bought them from, Mary, was widowed about 7 years ago. It was
her husband that was the Sprite racer. but she shared his love for the cars.


 

In fact, besides the 5 cars I bought, she's kept 2. One car, a Bugeye
racecar. her 12 year old son wanted to keep since it had belonged to his
Dad. The other, she kept for herself. It's a MKI Midget that they had their
first date in. The Midget looks to be in very decent, restorable, perhaps
even drivable shape. 

 

As a special project for SOS '07, I've offered to pick up her car in Madison
(or maybe PPP can arrange to get it here?), and we'll see if it turns over.
If so, we'll change the oil, flush the fuel, and see if we can get it
started. We'll also see if we can insure the clutch and brakes are
operational. Hopefully, she can end up with an operational car, or, at
least, properly prepare it for long term storage.

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



wsthompson at thicko.com

www.thicko.com <http://www.thicko.com/> 

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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sat Oct  6 12:33:01 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 13:33:01 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: SOS '07 powdercoating
Message-ID: <003d01c80847$55188670$ff499350$@com>

I hooked up to the powder coating oven in the shop. works well. I ordered up
a Horrible Freight powder coating kit. so, if any of youse guys bring some
parts to sandblast, we can try to get them powder coated.

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



wsthompson at thicko.com

www.thicko.com <http://www.thicko.com/> 

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From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 15:48:23 2007
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 14:48:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] FW: SOS '07 for the uninitiated
In-Reply-To: <002b01c80847$3a167670$ae436350$@com>
Message-ID: <169912.65461.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- "Wm. Severin Thompson" <wsthompson at thicko.com> wrote:

> Yes. this message is for the uninitiated. Of course, the initiated
> have
> already "run the gauntlet", and know what's in store for them.

One thing you could explain to the uninitiated is what "SOS"
stands for, besides " ... --- ..." and creamed chipped beef
on toast.


David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com


       
____________________________________________________________________________________
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that gives answers, not web links. 
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From barak at hughes.net  Sat Oct  6 16:12:56 2007
From: barak at hughes.net (Barak)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:12:56 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Carburettor question
Message-ID: <002e01c80866$16311160$42933420$@net>

Hello list!

I've got a couple of quick questions about HS carburettors...  

I've got the Haynes SU Carb manual, and I'm using it to put my carbs back
together, and I've come to the part where you initially set the jet.  Their
instructions read "... Screw down the jet adjusting nut/screw two turns on
non-tamperproof carburetors, or three turns on tamperproofed carburettors". 

So how do you tell the difference between a "tamperproofed" and a
"non-tamperproof" carb???  I can't seem to find any other reference to this
in the book on a quick glance through.  One whole turn seems like it would
make a huge difference, and I'd rather get this right the first time (and
it's much easier to see/count turns when it's laying on my bench).  :p

Oh, and how the heck are you supposed to get at that fast idle screw when
the carbs are attached to the car?  My hands don't bend that way in the
first place and aren't nearly small enough in the second.

Chris
~70 MGB

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct  6 16:38:07 2007
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:38:07 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: SOS '07 for the uninitiated
References: <169912.65461.qm@web42101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <055601c80869$9186d4a0$6401a8c0@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Breneman" <david_breneman at yahoo.com>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] FW: SOS '07 for the uninitiated


--- "Wm. Severin Thompson" <wsthompson at thicko.com> wrote:

> Yes. this message is for the uninitiated. Of course, the initiated
> have
> already "run the gauntlet", and know what's in store for them.

One thing you could explain to the uninitiated is what "SOS"
stands for, besides " ... --- ..." and creamed chipped beef
on toast.


David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com

============================

David, et.al, SOS stands for Save Our Spridgets.  This is patterned after a 
group from the Eastern side of the country who coined their group as 
O.S.H.I.T., which stands for Official Spridget Handymen In Transit.

The deal is that a bunch of Spridget owners get together to help one another 
with project cars.  The SOS group gets together here in Wisconsin every 
Friday and Saturday after Thanksgiving to help each other with any and all 
projects that require some attention.  I believe the OSHIT group gets 
together whenever somebody needs some help.  There is always plenty to eat 
and drink and plenty of help for those who need it.

Last year a bunch of guys flew and/or drove to Anaheim, CA to help a 
Spridget lister put his Bugeye together.  They started with a bare, but 
painted, body with not one other piece on it and completely built the car 
and had it running down the street in 3 days.  The owner had run into health 
problems and could not reassemble the car, so a bunch got together from as 
far away as New Jersey and New York and built it for him.  He had bought the 
car brand new and he and his wife had their first date in it.  So, you can 
see, it just had to be completed for them.  That little adventure was done 
for a lister who goes by the name of Buster and it was called the Buster 
Cluster.

Sound interesting?  Sound like fun?  Maybe somebody can start something 
similar for MGB's.  It's great camaraderie and a super way to meet listers 
with whom you have been emailing back and forth for ages, but have never 
met.  Think about it.

I am cross-posting this to the Spridget list.  If any of you might want to 
ask any questions on how to do this, fire away on the Spridget list.


Larry Daniels

79 MGB LE
60 Bugeye
67 Austin A60 Pickup (Ute)

"You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape. If it
doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it
shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape."

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 18:51:22 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 19:51:22 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Carburettor question
In-Reply-To: <002e01c80866$16311160$42933420$@net>
References: <002e01c80866$16311160$42933420$@net>
Message-ID: <C71624F4-41BD-42CB-9C1B-1DECF43E82CA@gmail.com>

I thought the tamperproof ones were the same, just set and then a plug
put in over the screw. So much I know.

I'd just go down two and give it a try.

On Oct 6, 2007, at 5:12 PM, Barak wrote:

> Hello list!
>
> I've got a couple of quick questions about HS carburettors...
>
> I've got the Haynes SU Carb manual, and I'm using it to put my  
> carbs back
> together, and I've come to the part where you initially set the  
> jet.  Their
> instructions read "... Screw down the jet adjusting nut/screw two  
> turns on
> non-tamperproof carburetors, or three turns on tamperproofed  
> carburettors".
>
> So how do you tell the difference between a "tamperproofed" and a
> "non-tamperproof" carb???  I can't seem to find any other reference  
> to this
> in the book on a quick glance through.  One whole turn seems like  
> it would
> make a huge difference, and I'd rather get this right the first  
> time (and
> it's much easier to see/count turns when it's laying on my bench).  :p
>
> Oh, and how the heck are you supposed to get at that fast idle  
> screw when
> the carbs are attached to the car?  My hands don't bend that way in  
> the
> first place and aren't nearly small enough in the second.
>
> Chris
> ~70 MGB
> _______________________________________________
> ptrmgb at gmail.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 19:21:52 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:21:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] tonights adventure in the 'B
Message-ID: <048DD615-8A55-4A8C-BCA1-6D9D99D73771@gmail.com>

My wife and older son are out of town this weekend, so my 10 year old  
and I are home bach'ing it.

After getting the alternator in and going, we were itching to get the  
car out and see that the gremlins
were gone. I was still considering taking the car to Kansas for the  
Runoffs at the end of the week.

After dinner, we were driving to the hardware store to get a couple  
things to fix a couple of preschool
toys that the kids managed to break.

The car lurched a few times. Got to the hardware store, but it was  
closed. We were going to get on the highway
head to Menards. Sam says that Home Depot is closer. Ok fine, take  
the frontage road instead, the car dies at
a stop light. I have Sam steer around the left turn and get off the  
road. He runs it up on the curb, but otherwise
did a good job.

I check the wires on the starter that had come loose before, they  
were fine. Coil wires looked fine. Check
the fuel pump, as I didn't hear clicking. The carbs were full, pump  
was fine.

I decide the pop the dizzy cap, to see if it was ok. Then I saw it.  
The wires for the pertronix were rubbing
against the shaft, and the red one had broken. Sam found the  
electrical tape, I stripped the wire, and taped
it up. Rerouted it so it doesn't go around the shaft, close up the  
dizzy, and start the car.

Drove home.

A nice guy in a Jeep stopped to see if he could help, but I had it  
under control.

I didn't have any tools. They were all sitting on my workbench in the  
garage, I did everything with a
keychain leatherman.

I guess I won't be taking it to Kansas, I don't like the idea of a  
piece of electrical tape in the dizzy, I
suppose I could put some shrink wrap on it.

I'm also considering replacing it. Maybe an MDS?   I need to check  
the shaft of the dizzy to see
if it's wobbly.


Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct  6 19:42:49 2007
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:42:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] tonights adventure in the 'B
References: <048DD615-8A55-4A8C-BCA1-6D9D99D73771@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <057e01c80883$5ed22ef0$6401a8c0@Larry>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Rich Root" <rich at rootmep.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 8:21 PM
Subject: [Mgs] tonights adventure in the 'B


My wife and older son are out of town this weekend, so my 10 year old
and I are home bach'ing it.

After getting the alternator in and going, we were itching to get the
car out and see that the gremlins
were gone. I was still considering taking the car to Kansas for the
Runoffs at the end of the week.

After dinner, we were driving to the hardware store to get a couple
things to fix a couple of preschool
toys that the kids managed to break.

The car lurched a few times. Got to the hardware store, but it was
closed. We were going to get on the highway
head to Menards. Sam says that Home Depot is closer. Ok fine, take
the frontage road instead, the car dies at
a stop light. I have Sam steer around the left turn and get off the
road. He runs it up on the curb, but otherwise
did a good job.

I check the wires on the starter that had come loose before, they
were fine. Coil wires looked fine. Check
the fuel pump, as I didn't hear clicking. The carbs were full, pump
was fine.

I decide the pop the dizzy cap, to see if it was ok. Then I saw it.
The wires for the pertronix were rubbing
against the shaft, and the red one had broken. Sam found the
electrical tape, I stripped the wire, and taped
it up. Rerouted it so it doesn't go around the shaft, close up the
dizzy, and start the car.

Drove home.

A nice guy in a Jeep stopped to see if he could help, but I had it
under control.

I didn't have any tools. They were all sitting on my workbench in the
garage, I did everything with a
keychain leatherman.

I guess I won't be taking it to Kansas, I don't like the idea of a
piece of electrical tape in the dizzy, I
suppose I could put some shrink wrap on it.

I'm also considering replacing it. Maybe an MDS?   I need to check
the shaft of the dizzy to see
if it's wobbly.


Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS
=====================

Oh, c'mon, Paul. Go for it.  Bring tools; bring spares.  There is nothing 
like a road trip with your baby to get (re)acquainted.  With apologies to 
Nike, just do it.  I met my 40 year old Austin Pickup for the first time at 
the docks in Baltimore and drove it home to Wisconsin.  I would never have 
it any other way again.  That's half the fun of these cars.

Maybe see you at the June Sprints next year?

Larry Daniels

From shop at justbrits.com  Sat Oct  6 19:57:37 2007
From: shop at justbrits.com (shop at justbrits.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:57:37 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] tonights adventure in the 'B
References: <048DD615-8A55-4A8C-BCA1-6D9D99D73771@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006e01c80885$704a4fd0$6601a8c0@actualshop>

<<I'm also considering replacing it. >>

Just send the dizzy to Jeff at Advance and have it re-built (I think around
$165) and live a nice life with points and ENJOY the "as new" car, Paul.

And keep the K.I.S.S. Rule<VBG>!!

Ed

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 20:14:43 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:14:43 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] tonights adventure in the 'B
In-Reply-To: <057e01c80883$5ed22ef0$6401a8c0@Larry>
References: <048DD615-8A55-4A8C-BCA1-6D9D99D73771@gmail.com>
	<057e01c80883$5ed22ef0$6401a8c0@Larry>
Message-ID: <9479192B-80F8-43A5-AB62-E60B802BF58E@gmail.com>

On Oct 6, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Larry Daniels wrote:

>
> Oh, c'mon, Paul. Go for it.  Bring tools; bring spares.  There is  
> nothing
> like a road trip with your baby to get (re)acquainted.  With  
> apologies to
> Nike, just do it.  I met my 40 year old Austin Pickup for the first  
> time at
> the docks in Baltimore and drove it home to Wisconsin.  I would  
> never have
> it any other way again.  That's half the fun of these cars.
>
> Maybe see you at the June Sprints next year?
>
> Larry Daniels

We'll see what the weather's like this week. If I can get some seat  
time in it
to shake down, I could.

Rich decided he didn't have time to devote to the Runoffs, so we'll  
just be
spectators. But Road America is "his" track, and he loves the  
Sprints. We'll
be there.


Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 20:20:17 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:20:17 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] tonights adventure in the 'B
In-Reply-To: <006e01c80885$704a4fd0$6601a8c0@actualshop>
References: <048DD615-8A55-4A8C-BCA1-6D9D99D73771@gmail.com>
	<006e01c80885$704a4fd0$6601a8c0@actualshop>
Message-ID: <CA69B964-63E7-49C6-8ED6-BC27D3AE16CF@gmail.com>

That might be the best idea. I'm remembering the thread from
the summer on Jeff.


On Oct 6, 2007, at 8:57 PM, <shop at justbrits.com> wrote:

> <<I'm also considering replacing it. >>
>
> Just send the dizzy to Jeff at Advance and have it re-built (I  
> think around
> $165) and live a nice life with points and ENJOY the "as new" car,  
> Paul.
>
> And keep the K.I.S.S. Rule<VBG>!!
>
> Ed
> _______________________________________________
> ptrmgb at gmail.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sun Oct  7 06:33:36 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:33:36 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] SOS '07 Food call
Message-ID: <007901c808de$49dc5ec0$dd951c40$@com>

Hey y'all,

 

If you've attended SOS previously, you know you won't go home hungry. 

 

In the past, some folks that couldn't attend sent a variety of foods for the
party. Clams, scrapple, brats, Swedish pancakes, cheese curds, homemade beef
jerky, pork loin, calamari, etc have been served.

 

So, of you' like to contribute to the culinary efforts, please contact me
sooner rather than later so we can figure out the event menu, and the
logistics of getting your contribution here. (Since we live in WI, we have
the mandatory large chest freezer in the basement for deer and ex-wife
carcasses.)

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



 <mailto:wsthompson at thicko.com> wsthompson at thicko.com

 <http://www.thicko.com/> www.thicko.com

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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sun Oct  7 07:06:22 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:06:22 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] SOS '07 parts is parts
Message-ID: <007f01c808e2$ddcf2370$996d6a50$@com>

Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. Such is the case when you
buy up someone's entire inventory of cars & parts. I've got 7 "parts cars"
that are going to be picked clean to the bone and sent to the crusher to
become Chinese made bench vices at Horrible Freight.

 

There's plenty of good parts on these. Some, I'll keep in order to keep my
own spares inventory well stocked. But, some parts I won't need, and would
like to see them used. For instance, I'm sure there's one or two of you MG
guys that need the side chrome trim pieces. So, if you have any specific
needs, speak up, and we'll look over the cadavers and see if we can help you
out.

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



 <mailto:wsthompson at thicko.com> wsthompson at thicko.com

 <http://www.thicko.com/> www.thicko.com

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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Oct  7 07:33:56 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:33:56 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Carburettor question
References: <002e01c80866$16311160$42933420$@net>
	<C71624F4-41BD-42CB-9C1B-1DECF43E82CA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c808e8$20f06740$0200a8c0@Three>

>From what I have seen over the years the tamperproof just had an alloy cap
pressed into the mixture screw hole of HIF carbs, which could be picked out, 
so the term 'tamper proof' could be contested under the Trades Descriptions 
Act anyway.  Both my Haynes MGB manual and the Leyland manual
only talk about a 'jet restrictor' on HS carbs, which limits how much the
jet can be adjusted one way or the other, but it still allows you to make
small adjustments.  I suspect because your Haynes specifies 'jet adjusting
nut/screw' it is giving one set of instructions for both HS and HIF carbs,
and hence the 'tamperproof' bit is only referring to the HIFs.

I don't understand why the 'tamperproof' should need 50% more fuel either, 
and my manuals say only two down for both non-emissions and emissions carbs. 
Like the other Paul says just turn it down two and go from there.  If it 
really does need three then you will end up there anyway.

PaulH.


----- Original Message ----- 
>> So how do you tell the difference between a "tamperproofed" and a
>> "non-tamperproof" carb??? 

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sun Oct  7 10:12:27 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 11:12:27 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] SOS '07 parts is parts
In-Reply-To: <47088EEA.28806.1550E8@dmg.bossig.com>
References: <007f01c808e2$ddcf2370$996d6a50$@com>
	<47088EEA.28806.1550E8@dmg.bossig.com>
Message-ID: <000601c808fc$dd0c97f0$9725c7d0$@com>

There's a Bugeye, 2 or 3 MKII Sprite/MKI Midgets, 1 or 2 MKIII Sprite/MKII
Midgets, and a round arch Midget.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave G. [mailto:dmg at bossig.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:47 AM
To: Wm. Severin Thompson; 'Spridgets'; team-thicko at autox.team.net;
mgs at autox.team.net; healeys at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] SOS '07 parts is parts

Any idea as to the approx year of the carcasses??  ;^\

-
Dave G
'65 MKIII Sprite

From barrie at look.ca  Sun Oct  7 08:16:21 2007
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 10:16:21 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
Message-ID: <E1IebJR-00076p-GX@epsilon.look.ca>

Did the MGB 1.8L get enlarged to 2.0 and be fitted with DHC and turbo 
and plonked in another BL machine?   This I was told - but is it true?

Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm  

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Sun Oct  7 12:59:25 2007
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:59:25 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
Message-ID: <d0d.1c45b6aa.343a868d@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/10/2007 11:57:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
barrie at look.ca writes:

Did the  MGB 1.8L get enlarged to 2.0 and be fitted with DHC and turbo 
and plonked  in another BL machine?   This I was told - but is it  true?



No
 
Bill S.

From barak at hughes.net  Sun Oct  7 13:11:33 2007
From: barak at hughes.net (Barak)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:11:33 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Electrical system questions
Message-ID: <003a01c80915$ebeab590$c3c020b0$@net>

Thanks to everyone for their help on the carburetor question.

As a bit of back story, this is a car I bought several years ago and began
work on, then had to put away for a long time due to life circumstances.
I've recently been able to get it out and dig into it again, so you'll
probably be hearing from me a bit more frequently now.

Now, on to the electrical issues.

1)Stop lamps don't come on when the brake is depressed.  

I tried to trace the wiring and ran into a snag...  I can't seem to find the
stoplamp switch!  I find what I think is the pressure test lamp switch (with
two black/white wires attached) sitting on top of the hydraulic union.  In
the same vicinity are two wires not connected to anything, one green with
one of the female bullet receptacles on it and the other green/purple with a
bullet connector on it.  According to my schematic, those are the two wires
that should go into the stoplamp switch.  I'm sure it doesn't help that I
don't know what this switch should look like either.  :(

2) Right hand turn signal doesn't flash, it is steady on.  The left hand
side flashes as it should.  When the hazards are turned on, both sides flash
as they should.

I don't think this is a grounding issue, as when I use a test probe to check
the green/white wire the current remains steady.  I would think that
grounding it that way would cause it to flash if it were a ground issue
(please correct me if this is an incorrect assumption).

I also don't think it is a flasher issue since the left side works fine.

I've bought matching bulbs and replaced them all around, so there isn't a
mismatch in them.

Is it possible for the stalk switch to have gone bad in some way as to cause
this?  Although a connection *is* being made since it does light up.

Any help with the above would be much appreciated!  Especially the stop
lights... I don't want to drive it until that is fixed.  I can deal with the
turn signal issue for a while if I have to.

Thanks!
Chris
~1970 MGB

From barrie at look.ca  Sun Oct  7 14:34:21 2007
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
Message-ID: <E1Iecq7-0006IW-8n@alpha.look.ca>

Folks,

It seems there was an engine developed from the "B" engine through 
another version ("O" ?). It was the Rover T16 and did go to 2.0L with 
turbo....but would it drop into an MGB?  Probably a little 
difficult.  It could put out 200bhp and some went to 800bhp (owwww!)



Did the MGB 1.8L get enlarged to 2.0 and be fitted with DHC and turbo 
and plonked in another BL machine?   This I was told - but is it true?

Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm

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Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 14:47:53 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:47:53 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
In-Reply-To: <E1IebJR-00076p-GX@epsilon.look.ca>
References: <E1IebJR-00076p-GX@epsilon.look.ca>
Message-ID: <B3668A75-5BF2-4B51-AAC8-D7DDB647A86D@gmail.com>

The O-series was a follow on to the B-series engine, not sure if it  
was the same block or
based on it. I don't think it was 2l. As I recall going to 2 liter on  
the B-series block is the
ragged edge of the bore limit.

The O-series as SOHC, not DOHC.

I'm going to go with no.

On Oct 7, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Barrie Robinson wrote:

> Did the MGB 1.8L get enlarged to 2.0 and be fitted with DHC and  
> turbo and plonked in another BL machine?   This I was told - but is  
> it true?
>
> Regards
> Barrie
>
> Barrie Robinson
> (705) 721-9060
> http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm
>

Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Sun Oct  7 14:52:54 2007
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:52:54 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
Message-ID: <d31.18136892.343aa126@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/10/2007 1:35:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
barrie at look.ca writes:

It seems  there was an engine developed from the "B" engine through 
another version  ("O" ?). It was the Rover T16 and did go to 2.0L with 
turbo....but would  it drop into an MGB?  Probably a little 
difficult.  It could put  out 200bhp and some went to 800bhp (owwww!)



OK, to add to my original response ("No"), the O series did derive from  
design studies on the old B series, but:
 
"By the autumn of 1972, the O-Series name was formally applied to the  B-OHC, 
and it marked the point in time when the final link with the original  engine 
was removed (..."the deletion of the "camshaft"/jackshaft so that the  whole 
B-Series tappet chest could be pared away"). The B-Series'  design had acted 
as a starting point, but no parts were shared -  and this is demonstrated by 
the cylinder block's light weight (due to the walls  being thinned), meaning 
that the strength of block could be braced in to the  exact tolerance required. 
This weight management would underpin the O-Series'  transformation into the 
M-Series during the 1980s."
 
See _http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm?enginebseriesf.htm_ 
(http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm?enginebseriesf.htm) 
 
The new engine did not even share bore, stroke, nor displacement with the  
old engine. So no parts or dimensions were carried over. It was a new  engine.
 
Bill

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 14:56:54 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:56:54 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Electrical system questions
In-Reply-To: <003a01c80915$ebeab590$c3c020b0$@net>
References: <003a01c80915$ebeab590$c3c020b0$@net>
Message-ID: <3234730A-3A3D-4A43-832B-486EEC9393BD@gmail.com>

On Oct 7, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Barak wrote:

> Thanks to everyone for their help on the carburetor question.
>
> As a bit of back story, this is a car I bought several years ago  
> and began
> work on, then had to put away for a long time due to life  
> circumstances.
> I've recently been able to get it out and dig into it again, so you'll
> probably be hearing from me a bit more frequently now.
>
> Now, on to the electrical issues.
>
> 1)Stop lamps don't come on when the brake is depressed.
>
> I tried to trace the wiring and ran into a snag...  I can't seem to  
> find the
> stoplamp switch!  I find what I think is the pressure test lamp  
> switch (with
> two black/white wires attached) sitting on top of the hydraulic  
> union.  In
> the same vicinity are two wires not connected to anything, one  
> green with
> one of the female bullet receptacles on it and the other green/ 
> purple with a
> bullet connector on it.  According to my schematic, those are the  
> two wires
> that should go into the stoplamp switch.  I'm sure it doesn't help  
> that I
> don't know what this switch should look like either.  :(

On a '70, shouldn't the brake light switch be on the black cover up in
front of the master cylinders?

The pressure switch is on the inner wing in a 5 way connector.


> 2) Right hand turn signal doesn't flash, it is steady on.  The left  
> hand
> side flashes as it should.  When the hazards are turned on, both  
> sides flash
> as they should.
>
> I don't think this is a grounding issue, as when I use a test probe  
> to check
> the green/white wire the current remains steady.  I would think that
> grounding it that way would cause it to flash if it were a ground  
> issue
> (please correct me if this is an incorrect assumption).
>
> I also don't think it is a flasher issue since the left side works  
> fine.
>
> I've bought matching bulbs and replaced them all around, so there  
> isn't a
> mismatch in them.
>
> Is it possible for the stalk switch to have gone bad in some way as  
> to cause
> this?  Although a connection *is* being made since it does light up.
>
> Any help with the above would be much appreciated!  Especially the  
> stop
> lights... I don't want to drive it until that is fixed.  I can deal  
> with the
> turn signal issue for a while if I have to.


You just have to trace each section  to find it. I don't think it  
would be the
stalk, all it does is get power through the circuit, and the flasher  
unit does the
rest.




>
> Thanks!
> Chris
> ~1970 MGB
>
Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  7 15:39:59 2007
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] oil leak
References: <003a01c80915$ebeab590$c3c020b0$@net>
	<3234730A-3A3D-4A43-832B-486EEC9393BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002501c8092a$f66575e0$8215a8c0@Garage.local>

Hi, all.

apparently i have an oil leak.  apparently it is leaking down onto the frame 
way up front, under the oil filter or farther forward.

is there a usual suspect in this area or do i need to get it up and get 
under and do some serious detective work?

should i be looking at switching to stainless steel hoses if, what i think 
is true, its in the oil cooler hose connections to the oil filter?

thanks!

early 73 mgb roadster 

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  7 17:45:40 2007
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 18:45:40 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] oil leak
References: <003a01c80915$ebeab590$c3c020b0$@net><3234730A-3A3D-4A43-832B-486EEC9393BD@gmail.com>
	<002501c8092a$f66575e0$8215a8c0@Garage.local>
Message-ID: <00cc01c8093c$2b94f810$6401a8c0@Larry>

Oliver, my A60 Ute has a banjo bolt that attaches the pipe to the filter 
head that often requires a little tightening.  It doesn't take much 
loosening to really kick out some oil.

You might want to take a look at that -- it's worth a try anyhow.


Larry Daniels

79 MGB LE
60 Bugeye
67 Austin A60 Pickup (Ute)

"You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape. If it
doesn't move and should, use the WD-40. If it
shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape."




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: [Mgs] oil leak


Hi, all.

apparently i have an oil leak.  apparently it is leaking down onto the frame
way up front, under the oil filter or farther forward.

is there a usual suspect in this area or do i need to get it up and get
under and do some serious detective work?

should i be looking at switching to stainless steel hoses if, what i think
is true, its in the oil cooler hose connections to the oil filter?

thanks!

early 73 mgb roadster
_______________________________________________
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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sun Oct  7 18:12:04 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 19:12:04 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] SOS '07 parts is parts pricing part 1
Message-ID: <004901c8093f$dd7cc370$98764a50$@com>

Hey y'all,

 

I've been giving this some thought. here's what I have in mind.  Larry,
Dave, and brother Don get first dibs, as they were the ones brave/stupid
enough to help snatch some of these cars. Many of you have asked about
specific parts, and in many cases, I think we'll have something for you.
Some other things, we won't know until they can inspected further. The 4
most recent cars have all been powerwashed once, and are being left out in
the rain/weather until SOS just to try to get the stench of raccoon pooh and
wiz a little less obvious. Ugggh.

 

I've got a lot of Spridgets. some street cars, and some race cars. I try to
collect what I think I'll need during the next 20 or so years of my
racing/restoration hobby. because this stuff is becoming unobtanium. But,
despite having 6000 sq ft of storage, there is a limit. I've bought enough
collections of cars and parts over the years from folks getting out of the
hobby, or from widows after some poor slob died to know I don't want to
burden the living with all my crap once I'm gone. 

 

2.5 years after moving here, I'm slowly gaining on organizing my shop, and
my cars & parts. The rest, I'd rather see go to folks trying to keep these
cars on the road, rather than just dump truckloads of parts for scrap metal
prices (which actually are pretty good these days). Some stuff will see
Ebay, but my preference is these parts go to members of these lists, and
more specifically, participants in SOS (whether in person or peripherally).

 

More in part 2.

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sun Oct  7 18:29:21 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 19:29:21 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] SOS '07 parts pricing part 2
Message-ID: <005501c80942$4723f710$d56be530$@com>

So, if  it turns out amongst these 7 cars that there's something serviceable
that you can use, make me an offer. You know what some of these items go
for.. sometimes expensive, sometimes a bargain. (Sometimes you have to make
six 180 mile round trips and wade through raccoon pooh to get 4 of  them,
two 150 mile round trips to get 2 of them, and one 200 mile round trip to
get the other one).

 

I will not name a price. You make an offer.

 

Your offer will need to be in addition to whatever costs are involved in
shipping it to you if necessary. If you're here, you'll save on shipping. A
small portion of what you pay will go toward funding SOS, and the majority
will be donated to the Fond du Lac Humane Society. We just lost one of our 5
shelter rescued dogs. Hannah. I had her 14 years. The pack is holding steady
at 4 now, although Louie is older than dirt.

 

So, buy some parts, and help support homeless animals (and reduce the amount
of crap my heirs will have to deal with when I take a dirt nap).

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

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From ramsmgb at cox.net  Sun Oct  7 21:14:21 2007
From: ramsmgb at cox.net (Richard)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:14:21 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] vibration
Message-ID: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich>

I am getting a vibration as I accelerate. This problem occurred suddenly
while on a 1400 mile trip. It occurs while standing at a stop or
accelerating at speed. It is more noticeable a low speed or standing. It is
not a constant vibration, but one that occurs and then is not very
noticeable at speed. All other operations are normal, such as power,
starting, oil pressure and temperature. I have checked the exhaust system,
engine mounts and transmission mount.  Does anyone have any other ideas?
 
 
Richard 
1972 MGB 
Tucson, AZ
 
 
 

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From montejane at gmail.com  Sun Oct  7 21:21:24 2007
From: montejane at gmail.com (Monte/Jane Morris)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] vibration
In-Reply-To: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich>
References: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich>
Message-ID: <cab4b95c0710072021r483a94e5p4933a7a5cab24d01@mail.gmail.com>

 U-joints?
Monte


On 10/7/07, Richard <ramsmgb at cox.net> wrote:
>
> I am getting a vibration as I accelerate. This problem occurred suddenly
> while on a 1400 mile trip. It occurs while standing at a stop or
> accelerating at speed. It is more noticeable a low speed or standing. It
> is
> not a constant vibration, but one that occurs and then is not very
> noticeable at speed. All other operations are normal, such as power,
> starting, oil pressure and temperature. I have checked the exhaust system,
> engine mounts and transmission mount.  Does anyone have any other ideas?
>
>
> Richard
> 1972 MGB
> Tucson, AZ
>
>
>
>
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From Emjaxfl at aol.com  Sun Oct  7 21:26:23 2007
From: Emjaxfl at aol.com (Emjaxfl at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:26:23 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] vibration
Message-ID: <c74.199bb73b.343afd5f@aol.com>

Look at your u-joints and wheel bearings?
 
Eric



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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Oct  8 02:00:42 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:00:42 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Electrical system questions
References: <003a01c80915$ebeab590$c3c020b0$@net>
Message-ID: <009701c80981$e8f80a60$0200a8c0@Three>

1.  Correct, single-circuit cars had a small 4-way brake pipe union with a 
hydraulic brake light switch screwed in to that.  Early dual circuit systems 
had a larger union with the failure switch, the brake light switch was 
screwed into the pedal box.  The mechanical switch is a 'normally closed' 
type, i.e. when the brake pedal is pressed it releases the switch to close 
the circuit and light the lights, and vice-versa.  You have to be careful 
with these switches - if they aren't screwed in far enough the lights will 
stay on all the time.  But if they are screwed in too far it stops the pedal 
coming back as far as it should, and hence the piston in the master doesn't 
clear the bypass port in the cylinder, so when the hydraulic fluid gets hot 
and expands it can't escape up into the reservoir, but locks the brakes on 
instead.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> 1) ...  In
> the same vicinity are two wires not connected to anything, one green with
> one of the female bullet receptacles on it and the other green/purple with 
> a
> bullet connector on it.  According to my schematic, those are the two 
> wires
> that should go into the stoplamp switch.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Oct  8 02:04:46 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:04:46 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] vibration
References: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich>
Message-ID: <009901c80981$e9338cc0$0200a8c0@Three>

Sounds like UJs to me too, I don't think wheel bearing would show much 
difference between accelerating and steady speed, certainly compared to 
UJs..  Do they have grease nipples?  They can fail suddenly, one half of the 
front UJ suddenly seized on my V8, and I was suddenly aware of the gearlever 
moving up and down slightly, more noticeable at lower speeds.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>I am getting a vibration as I accelerate. 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Oct  8 02:01:23 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:01:23 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Electrical system questions
References: <003a01c80915$ebeab590$c3c020b0$@net>
Message-ID: <009801c80981$e9149310$0200a8c0@Three>

2.  The green/white will only be flashing if the lights are flashing.  Most 
people plump for a bad ground, but that is only one connection out of the 
many in the circuit, and this could still be a bad ground.  It depends what 
wattage your test-lamp bulb is as to whether it would start them flashing or 
not if the problem were a bad ground.  If you use a pukka test-lamp tool 
then it is highly unlikely to make any significant difference as their 
wattage is so low, you would have to use a 6W, 10W or higher.  It could be a 
bad connection in the turn switch, the connectors by the steering column, 
the bullet connectors by the fusebox, the bullet connectors by the lamps, 
the lamps in the lamp holders, the connection between the 'tin-plate' 
bulb-holder and the body of the lamp unit, or finally the connection between 
the lamp unit and the ground.  Fortunately (for testing)  the current drawn 
by the lamps is quite high which means that any bad connection causing the 
lamps to stop flashing one side will cause a noticeable difference in 
voltage between the sides.  If you bypass the flasher unit so that *both* 
sides flash but don't glow, then test with a volt-meter along the points I 
mention with respect to the same known good ground, look for any voltage 
differences between the sides that suddenly appear part-way through the 
circuit.  If you get right to the bulb connections without finding any, then 
test between the bulb-holder and body of the lamp unit and your known good 
ground, this time with the volt-meter sensitivity turned up (if it is an 
analogue meter).  The voltage now should be zero, and voltage shown is a bad 
connection, again compare the sides.  Chrome bumper cars didn't use ground 
wires for the lamp clusters but relied on their physical fixings to the 
wing.  The front is exposed to the elements, but even the rear can get 
problems.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> 2) Right hand turn signal doesn't flash, it is steady on.  The left hand
> side flashes as it should.  When the hazards are turned on, both sides 
> flash
> as they should.

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Mon Oct  8 05:56:15 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:56:15 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Poly Bushings
References: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich>
	<cab4b95c0710072021r483a94e5p4933a7a5cab24d01@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c809a2$3bfbf8a0$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>

List,

I've purchased a polyurethane bushing kit, made in U.K. by Energy 
Suspension, for the front suspension of my '72 MGB. The present "bearing" in 
the upper trunnion appears to have a steel sleeve in rubber. I have not yet 
pressed it out.

Is this steel sleeve to be reused with the four poly bushings or are the 
poly bushings alone to be pressed into the trunnion?

Thanks,

Ed Woods 

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 08:33:24 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:33:24 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Poly Bushings
In-Reply-To: <004f01c809a2$3bfbf8a0$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
References: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich>
	<cab4b95c0710072021r483a94e5p4933a7a5cab24d01@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <470A3FB4.5000408@gmail.com>

No, you don't need it with the Energy Suspension.

Ed Woods wrote:
> List,
>
> I've purchased a polyurethane bushing kit, made in U.K. by Energy 
> Suspension, for the front suspension of my '72 MGB. The present "bearing" in 
> the upper trunnion appears to have a steel sleeve in rubber. I have not yet 
> pressed it out.
>
> Is this steel sleeve to be reused with the four poly bushings or are the 
> poly bushings alone to be pressed into the trunnion?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Woods 
> _______________________________________________
> ptrmgb at gmail.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
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From schultejim at msn.com  Mon Oct  8 08:34:18 2007
From: schultejim at msn.com (James Schulte)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:34:18 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] FW: REF: Photographer
Message-ID: <BAY116-F32EAFD62769B69A4FC63E8DBA40@phx.gbl>

Does anyone have a source for a Panoramic Photographer.
Jim Schulte
Aquatic Coordinator Souderton S.D.
Co-Secretary Philadelphia MG Club
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>From: raymond blaisse <rwblaisse at verizon.net>
>To: schultejim at msn.com
>Subject: REF: Photographer
>Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:38:54 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Jim,
>Just a reminder about finding a Panorama Photographer.
>Ray

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Oct  8 08:40:08 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:40:08 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Poly Bushings
References: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich><cab4b95c0710072021r483a94e5p4933a7a5cab24d01@mail.gmail.com>
	<004f01c809a2$3bfbf8a0$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <002b01c809b9$3386a140$0200a8c0@Three>

If the bushes are a snug fit over the pin then no, as the shoulder on the 
pin acts as the 'distance tube'.  Neither the Workshop Manual or the Parts 
Catalogue show a tube separate to the bushes, unlike the distance tube for 
the bottom trunnion.  So if the poly bushes need one it should have been 
supplied.  In my experience the tube rusts solidly onto the pin, which needs 
cutting through inside both arms of the damper, and even then some force to 
get the remains out of the trunnion, which then needs a fitting-kit for 
reassembly.  Watch these, as for many years the special pin was supplied 
with a Nyloc nut, which is totally wrong for the application as the end of 
the pin doesn't even reach the end of the nut, let alone have the required 
three threads minimum sticking through.  It needs a castellated nut, and a 
low-profile one at that.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> I've purchased a polyurethane bushing kit, made in U.K. by Energy
> Suspension, for the front suspension of my '72 MGB. The present "bearing" 
> in
> the upper trunnion appears to have a steel sleeve in rubber. I have not 
> yet
> pressed it out.
>
> Is this steel sleeve to be reused with the four poly bushings or are the
> poly bushings alone to be pressed into the trunnion?

From RonFineEsq at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  8 10:21:46 2007
From: RonFineEsq at earthlink.net (Ron Fine)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:21:46 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Head Gasket Sealer
Message-ID: <006501c809c7$52f9e5b0$6501a8c0@XPS400>

Hello again,

I am ready to install my rebuild head on my 1800 MGB engine.  Both the head
and block have been surfaced to insure they are flat.  I have the Payen head
gasket.  I have never used this type of gasket before.  It has small inset
copper rings around the water and oil holes.  There is still some depressed
corrosion eroded areas around the water holes in the block with rough
surfaces.  I am concerned that the small copper rings in the gasket might not
be big enough to seal these holes.  Should I use some type of gasket sealer?
And if so, which one?

Thanks for any advise.

Ron Fine
66 MGB
61 BN7

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 12:44:22 2007
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:44:22 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] vibration
In-Reply-To: <009901c80981$e9338cc0$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich>
	<009901c80981$e9338cc0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <a3b984e10710081144v5ccb92dere9e0beaae05b5b9c@mail.gmail.com>

Read the OP again
>>It occurs while standing at a stop or
accelerating at speed. It is more noticeable a low speed or standing.
(bolding and underlining mine)

You have some kind of strange U-joints on your MG if they produce a
vibration while not moving.

Check the motor mounts and trans mounts, both can fail without warning and
give a vibration both while standing and accelerating.

Rick

On 10/8/07, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Sounds like UJs to me too, I don't think wheel bearing would show much
> difference between accelerating and steady speed, certainly compared to
> UJs..  Do they have grease nipples?  They can fail suddenly, one half of
> the
> front UJ suddenly seized on my V8, and I was suddenly aware of the
> gearlever
> moving up and down slightly, more noticeable at lower speeds.
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >I am getting a vibration as I accelerate.
> _______________________________________________
> richard.ewald at gmail.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

From Weberstevej at aol.com  Mon Oct  8 15:07:21 2007
From: Weberstevej at aol.com (Weberstevej at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:07:21 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Mgs [Vibration]
Message-ID: <bfe.2214aeca.343bf609@aol.com>

> I am getting a vibration........



Richard,
 
If you're getting vibrations while at a standing stop, with the  clutch depr
essed, that should eliminate any drive train issues. (i.e. wheel  bearings, 
u-joints, rear end, etc.)
 
I assume then that the frequency of vibration increases and decreases with  
engine speed, again at a standing stop.
 
I would check to make sure that the fan and all of its blades are all fully  
intact, and not cracked or missing. I would also check your fan belts to make  
sure there are no chunks missing and are in good working order. You could run 
 the engine, for a short period of time ( a minute or so ) with the fan belt  
removed. If the vibration is still there, then you have eliminated the fan,  
water pump and alternator, i.e.anything driven by the belt as the source of  
vibration.
 
Steve



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From RampantNM at aol.com  Mon Oct  8 15:07:35 2007
From: RampantNM at aol.com (RampantNM at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:07:35 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] tonights adventure in the 'B
Message-ID: <cf9.1d10ee25.343bf617@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/6/2007 7:58:14 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
shop at justbrits.com writes:

<<I'm also considering replacing it. >>

Just send  the dizzy to Jeff at Advance and have it re-built (I think around
$165) and  live a nice life with points and ENJOY the "as new" car, Paul.

And keep  the K.I.S.S.  Rule<VBG>!!

Ed
_______________________________________________


Just got my "new" dist. from Jeff this morning.  It arrived  Saturday, but I
was in the mountains hanging dry wall.

I just hope I can get a few minutes off the lawn mower this afternoon to  put
it in!


Regards,

Robert B. Houston
63 TR4
74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

b&Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and for
several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields




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From RampantNM at aol.com  Mon Oct  8 15:18:09 2007
From: RampantNM at aol.com (RampantNM at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:18:09 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
Message-ID: <cc1.1d172d65.343bf891@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/7/2007 1:00:38 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
WSpohn4 at aol.com writes:

Did  the  MGB 1.8L get enlarged to 2.0 and be fitted with DHC and turbo
and plonked  in another BL machine?   This I was told - but  is it  true?



No




The A type 1275 got turbo'd in the Marina....

Regards,

Robert B. Houston
63 TR4
74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

b&Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and for
several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields




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From h.duinhoven at planet.nl  Mon Oct  8 15:25:23 2007
From: h.duinhoven at planet.nl (Hans Duinhoven)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:25:23 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] vibration
References: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich><009901c80981$e9338cc0$0200a8c0@Three>
	<a3b984e10710081144v5ccb92dere9e0beaae05b5b9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b801c809f1$bc8a2ec0$1e00a8c0@uw471de61b465c>

Transmounts are prone to detoriate, while these sometimes are covered 
regulary with leaking oil.
Had this with my GT. The gearbox mount rubbers were replaced as were the 
gaskets of both the engine and gearbox.

Cheers,

Hans

71 BGT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Ewald" <richard.ewald at gmail.com>
To: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
Cc: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] vibration


> Read the OP again
>>>It occurs while standing at a stop or
> accelerating at speed. It is more noticeable a low speed or standing.
> (bolding and underlining mine)
>
> You have some kind of strange U-joints on your MG if they produce a
> vibration while not moving.
>
> Check the motor mounts and trans mounts, both can fail without warning and
> give a vibration both while standing and accelerating.
>
> Rick
>
> On 10/8/07, Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like UJs to me too, I don't think wheel bearing would show much
>> difference between accelerating and steady speed, certainly compared to
>> UJs..  Do they have grease nipples?  They can fail suddenly, one half of
>> the
>> front UJ suddenly seized on my V8, and I was suddenly aware of the
>> gearlever
>> moving up and down slightly, more noticeable at lower speeds.
>>
>> PaulH.

From RampantNM at aol.com  Mon Oct  8 16:00:46 2007
From: RampantNM at aol.com (RampantNM at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:00:46 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] vibration
Message-ID: <ccd.1eb0f9dd.343c028e@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/8/2007 12:44:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
richard.ewald at gmail.com writes:

Check  the motor mounts and trans mounts, both can fail without warning and
give a  vibration both while standing and  accelerating.






Also, did you hit any bumps or pot holes?  The exhaust  pipe/muffler/tail
pipe can rattle against the body causing this.  Also,  check the
generator/alternator.  Mine was loose and sometimes rubbed the  bonnet giving
similar syptoms.

Regards,

Robert B. Houston
63 TR4
74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

b&Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and for
several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields




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From mgrick at mgcars.org.uk  Mon Oct  8 16:13:43 2007
From: mgrick at mgcars.org.uk (Rick Brown)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:13:43 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] FW: REF: Photographer
References: <BAY116-F32EAFD62769B69A4FC63E8DBA40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003a01c809f8$7d214190$6501a8c0@RicksPC>

Jim

http://www.panphoto.com/IAPP_photographers.php  Alpha listing of panaoramic 
Photogs. Just look for one in the area of Philadelphia.

Rick
Webmaster for:
___________________________________________________________
  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/namgbr  - The North American MGB Register
  http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgcouncil -  North American Council of MG 
Registers
  http://www.britishcarclub.net - The Suncoast Classic MG Club and Nature 
Coast English Car Club
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Schulte" <schultejim at msn.com>
To: <Mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:34
Subject: [Mgs] FW: REF: Photographer


> Does anyone have a source for a Panoramic Photographer.
> Jim Schulte
> Aquatic Coordinator Souderton S.D.
> Co-Secretary Philadelphia MG Club
> Co-Coordinator MG 2008
> Eastern HS WP Officials Scheduler

From WJHS1960 at comcast.net  Mon Oct  8 21:02:42 2007
From: WJHS1960 at comcast.net (WJHS1960)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 22:02:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] FW: REF: Photographer
References: <BAY116-F32EAFD62769B69A4FC63E8DBA40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <026301c80a20$dc3b1570$6601a8c0@actualshop>

<<Does anyone have a source for a Panoramic Photographer.>>

Have you check with Kevin or Rob Valentine, Jim??  Or are they too close??
LOL

From carcentric at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  8 21:56:00 2007
From: carcentric at yahoo.com (M D Nugent)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 20:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Magnette ZA and ZB bonnets
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1191607201.17496.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <704140.61063.qm@web33710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know if there is a way to tell whether the bonnet I have is
from a ZA or a ZB?  Of course, if they are the same, that would be good
to know, too.

There is a pic of it at http://www.carcentric.com/magnettebonnetRF.jpg

Thanks,

M D "Doc" Nugent - http://www.carcentric.com
Seattle area

From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct  8 22:09:52 2007
From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:09:52 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] TD transmission problem
Message-ID: <DE5C7482-5C8D-47A5-A90E-D152318DB9F4@sbcglobal.net>

My 1950 TD has trouble going into 3rd. (note this is not something it  
just started doing but has been a problem ever since I assembled the  
car)   I pulled the transmission cover and discovered the striking  
dog doesn't pull back far enough onto third gear.  If I pull back on  
the shaft with my fingers, it moves back and clicks into place fully  
engaging.   I just can't do it with the shift lever.  All the remote  
control components seem to travel freely but the lever reaches max  
before the dog moves far enough.

As I to measure and look at it, it appears that the 3rd/4th shifter  
shaft is too long and hits the back of the shifter case.  It also  
appears that the shifter case has a spot just for this.I can see the  
imprint of the shaft end on the case.   I can tell the unit has been  
worked on because it has a different bolt than the square headed one  
holding the selector on.

Can anyone tell me the distance between the back of the 3rd/4th shift  
selector and the end of the shaft?  Mine is 7/16ths.

How much of a pain would it be to take some off the end of the  
shaft?    I read in the manual that later TDs had a circle clip added  
to the other end of the shaft.   I also wonder if I have a later  
shaft and an early case.  I don't know why I would need the stop on  
the case if their is a clip stopping the shifter travel.

Any advise or other ideas?

Mike

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct  9 01:54:32 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:54:32 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Head Gasket Sealer
References: <006501c809c7$52f9e5b0$6501a8c0@XPS400>
Message-ID: <018501c80a4a$ea3a0df0$0200a8c0@Three>

I used Wellseal on my V8, but that was with steel shim head gaskets.  Are 
Payen composite?  In that case it is a different process altogether.  My 
Scimitar GTE had these and more recently a friends Midget 1500.  The process 
there is completely the opposite and to make sure both head and block 
surfaces are scrupulously clean.  Then fit the head and torque down 
normally.  Then run the engine with no coolant until it gets quite warm to 
the touch, not red-hot.  Then allow it to cool overnight, retorque (by 
backing off each nut in turn to get it moving then up to torque), fill with 
*water* i.e. not anti-freeze solution but don't fit the radiator cap, then 
run again to Normal on the gauge.  Then allow it to cool overnight again, 
retorque the same way as before, drain, fill with the appropriate quantity 
of neat antifreeze, top up with water, fit the cap, and away you go.

If Payen aren't composite disregard all the above ...

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> I am ready to install my rebuild head on my 1800 MGB engine.  Both the 
> head
> and block have been surfaced to insure they are flat.  I have the Payen 
> head
> gasket... 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct  9 02:05:22 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:05:22 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
References: <cc1.1d172d65.343bf891@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01ca01c80a4d$03f8dda0$0200a8c0@Three>

It did in what the UK called the MG Metro i.e. what replaced the original 
Mini and became the Rover 100.  But I thought the American Marina was the 
same body shape as the UK which was only exported there in 1800 form.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> The A type 1275 got turbo'd in the Marina....

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct  9 02:07:13 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:07:13 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] vibration
References: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich>
	<009901c80981$e9338cc0$0200a8c0@Three>
	<a3b984e10710081144v5ccb92dere9e0beaae05b5b9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01cb01c80a4d$04217440$0200a8c0@Three>

Oooops.  But text effects don't come through.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Read the OP again
>>>It occurs while standing at a stop or
> accelerating at speed. It is more noticeable a low speed or standing.
> (bolding and underlining mine)

From John.Hed at faa.gov  Tue Oct  9 05:00:58 2007
From: John.Hed at faa.gov (John.Hed at faa.gov)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 04:00:58 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] John Hed is TDY.  Back in on Monday 10/22
Message-ID: <OF989486FA.0AC7048F-ON8825736F.003C836A-8825736F.003C836A@faa.gov>

I will be out of the office starting  10/09/2007 and will not return until
10/19/2007.

I am out on foreign travel and will be back in the office on Monday Oct 22.
I will have intermittent email access.  If emergency, call my cell:
253-334-6779.  It should work over there!

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct  9 05:23:18 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:23:18 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] John Hed is TDY.  Back in on Monday 10/22
References: <OF989486FA.0AC7048F-ON8825736F.003C836A-8825736F.003C836A@faa.gov>
Message-ID: <021d01c80a68$90d035a0$0200a8c0@Three>

So what?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <John.Hed at faa.gov>
>I will be out of the office starting  10/09/2007 and will not return until
> 10/19/2007.

From RampantNM at aol.com  Tue Oct  9 10:09:24 2007
From: RampantNM at aol.com (RampantNM at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:09:24 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
Message-ID: <c45.22656bb3.343d01b4@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/9/2007 2:19:07 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk writes:

It did  in what the UK called the MG Metro i.e. what replaced the original
Mini  and became the Rover 100.  But I thought the American Marina was the
same body shape as the UK which was only exported there in 1800  form.

PaulH.

----- Original Message -----
> The A type  1275 got turbo'd in the Marina....




Ah, Marina, Metro...one of those M words....the Spridget guys use these
parts to turbo the 1275.  Couldn't you use the Marina parts to turbo an  MGB?


Regards,

Robert B. Houston
63 TR4
74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

b&Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and for
several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields




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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct  9 10:28:13 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:28:13 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
References: <c45.22656bb3.343d01b4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <008101c80a91$67624bd0$0200a8c0@Three>

Whilst Rover turboed several engines in the MMM series none of them were 
closely related to the B-series in the MGB, although those in the Maestro 
and Montego were descended from it.  But anything is possible, given enough 
time and money.  Moss (at least) does a supercharger for the B.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
Ah, Marina, Metro...one of those M words....the Spridget guys use these
parts to turbo the 1275.  Couldn't you use the Marina parts to turbo an 
MGB?

From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com  Tue Oct  9 10:34:51 2007
From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:34:51 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGB turbo?  (Was:Re:MGB engine)
In-Reply-To: <008101c80a91$67624bd0$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <c45.22656bb3.343d01b4@aol.com>
	<008101c80a91$67624bd0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <BCFE9C90-13AC-4750-AD05-306B1DA93789@trebelhorn.com>

Back in the 80s, Moss made -- or at least advertised -- a turbo kit  
for the MGB.

I have a catalog somewhere with the kit shown.

Anybody know more about the moss turbo B?  Anybody ever see one?

Matt


On 9 Oct, 2007, at 12:28 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Whilst Rover turboed several engines in the MMM series none of them  
> were closely related to the B-series in the MGB, although those in  
> the Maestro and Montego were descended from it.  But anything is  
> possible, given enough time and money.  Moss (at least) does a  
> supercharger for the B.
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- Ah, Marina, Metro...one of those M  
> words....the Spridget guys use these
> parts to turbo the 1275.  Couldn't you use the Marina parts to  
> turbo an MGB?

From WJHS1960 at comcast.net  Tue Oct  9 15:57:23 2007
From: WJHS1960 at comcast.net (WJHS1960)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] John Hed is TDY.  Back in on Monday 10/22
References: <OF989486FA.0AC7048F-ON8825736F.003C836A-8825736F.003C836A@faa.gov>
Message-ID: <00af01c80abf$60489560$6601a8c0@actualshop>

<<So what?>>

Since you asked Paul, hope you "enjoy" seeing the exact same e-mail EVERY time
someone posts to the List.    <VBG>

Just plain rude, IMO.

Ed

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Tue Oct  9 13:43:32 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:43:32 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Magnette ZA and ZB bonnets
In-Reply-To: <704140.61063.qm@web33710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CBBE112@kb1.mossmotors.com>

Doc:

I believe the ZA and ZB bonnets are interchangeable. At least, I have a
56 ZA bonnet sitting on my 58 ZB and it seems to fit up just fine. So I
don't know of any identification differences.

The ZB Varitone bonnet will have a line of holes for trim right where
the radius of the bonnet changes to meet the fender radius.



Kelvin Dodd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-
> bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of M D Nugent
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:56 PM
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] Magnette ZA and ZB bonnets
>
> Does anyone know if there is a way to tell whether the bonnet I have
is
> from a ZA or a ZB?  Of course, if they are the same, that would be
good
> to know, too.
>
> There is a pic of it at http://www.carcentric.com/magnettebonnetRF.jpg
>
> Thanks,
>
> M D "Doc" Nugent - http://www.carcentric.com
> Seattle area
> _______________________________________________
> doddk at mossmotors.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Tue Oct  9 15:58:39 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:58:39 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
In-Reply-To: <E1Iecq7-0006IW-8n@alpha.look.ca>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CBBE14C@kb1.mossmotors.com>

Barrie:

Here is an image of the development MGB fitted with O series engine. The
car is over here in the states and the photo was taken at a car show.

The engine fits very well and in production form was going to be fuel
injected. I believe that this was part of the Aston Martin takeover
project that failed.

Sorry to list members, the image is going to be stripped. Maybe Barrie
can put it up somewhere.



Kelvin Dodd


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-
> bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Barrie
Robinson
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 1:34 PM
> To: mgb-v8 at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
>
> Folks,
>
> It seems there was an engine developed from the "B" engine through
> another version ("O" ?). It was the Rover T16 and did go to 2.0L with
> turbo....but would it drop into an MGB?  Probably a little
> difficult.  It could put out 200bhp and some went to 800bhp (owwww!)
>
>
>
> Did the MGB 1.8L get enlarged to 2.0 and be fitted with DHC and turbo
> and plonked in another BL machine?   This I was told - but is it true?
>
> Regards
> Barrie
>
> Barrie Robinson
> (705) 721-9060
> http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of O Series MGB 2.jpeg]

From eric at erickson.on.net  Wed Oct 10 09:29:30 2007
From: eric at erickson.on.net (Eric Erickson)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:59:30 +0930
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
In-Reply-To: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CBBE14C@kb1.mossmotors.com>
References: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CBBE14C@kb1.mossmotors.com>
Message-ID: <529545A6-51CD-47E6-8361-DB3EABDEF6BE@erickson.on.net>

On 10/10/2007, at 7:28 AM, Dodd, Kelvin wrote:
>
> Sorry to list members, the image is going to be stripped. Maybe Barrie
> can put it up somewhere.
>
>
>


Tease!!



Eric

From shop at justbrits.com  Tue Oct  9 14:46:23 2007
From: shop at justbrits.com (shop at justbrits.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:46:23 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] John Hed is TDY.  Back in on Monday 10/22
References: <OF989486FA.0AC7048F-ON8825736F.003C836A-8825736F.003C836A@faa.gov>
	<021d01c80a68$90d035a0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <00af01c80ab5$755719e0$6601a8c0@actualshop>

<<So what?>>

Since you asked Paul, hope you "enjoy" seeing the exact same e-mail EVERY time
someone posts to the List.    <VBG>

Just plain rude, IMO.

Ed

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Oct 10 09:52:07 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:52:07 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] John Hed is TDY.  Back in on Monday 10/22
References: <OF989486FA.0AC7048F-ON8825736F.003C836A-8825736F.003C836A@faa.gov>
	<00af01c80abf$60489560$6601a8c0@actualshop>
Message-ID: <01be01c80b55$daba7e80$0200a8c0@Three>

The thing is I have only seen it once, and the list was modified to stop
auto-replies being sent to the list after a fiasco some years ago.  It
seemed to me that this person had *posted* it to the list, hence the 'so
what'.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Since you asked Paul, hope you "enjoy" seeing the exact same e-mail EVERY
> time
> someone posts to the List.    <VBG>

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Oct 10 09:49:24 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:49:24 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
References: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CBBE14C@kb1.mossmotors.com>
Message-ID: <01bd01c80b55$da9dcec0$0200a8c0@Three>

The O-series was intended for the MGB for the 1975 model year, but wasn't 
put into production for the same political reasons that led to the MGB being 
scrapped in preference to the TR7 - 
http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm?engineoseriesf.htm.  It was used in 
the Ital/Marina, SD1, Ambassador, Maestro, Montego, and was developed into 
the M-series twin-cam and the T-series, which delivered nearly 200 bhp.  I'm 
aware of a couple of MGBs with these ...


----- Original Message ----- 
> Here is an image of the development MGB fitted with O series engine. The
> car is over here in the states and the photo was taken at a car show.
>
> The engine fits very well and in production form was going to be fuel
> injected. I believe that this was part of the Aston Martin takeover
> project that failed.

From 1971mgb at cox.net  Wed Oct 10 10:03:31 2007
From: 1971mgb at cox.net (1971-red-mgb)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:03:31 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
Message-ID: <008b01c80b57$1aea1d70$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>

I was reading up on MGB's the other day and someone mentioned a "gold sealed
engine" for the uninitiated what does that mean?

From Emjaxfl at aol.com  Wed Oct 10 10:11:08 2007
From: Emjaxfl at aol.com (Emjaxfl at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:08 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] MGB engine
Message-ID: <d56.dd51ff8.343e539c@aol.com>

IIRC, there were two versions of the O series engine, one with FI and one  
with carburetors. Either would have passed US regulations without catalytic  
converters but, as Paul stated, BL politics prevented. Too bad, as power  output 
was approx. 95 with carbs and 115 with FI in the O series versus 63 in  the B 
series. There were (two?) MGB test mules with O series in the  US. 
 
Eric in Fla.
 
74 MGB



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From doddk at mossmotors.com  Wed Oct 10 10:28:52 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:28:52 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <008b01c80b57$1aea1d70$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CBBE1BF@kb1.mossmotors.com>

The factory offered rebuilt components on the replacement/aftermarket.
These were later sold under the Unipart banner.

My understanding is as follows (please enlighten me if I get anything
wrong):

Gold Seal assemblies were assembled using all new wearing components.

Silver Seal assemblies were assembled with inspected used components.



The components were (you guessed it) painted in either gold or silver
(pretty ugly) to indicate the quality.


Can you imagine opening the bonnet of your nicely painted car to see a
badly painted gold engine sitting there?





Kelvin Dodd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-
> bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 1971-red-mgb
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:04 AM
> To: MG LIST
> Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
>
> I was reading up on MGB's the other day and someone mentioned a "gold
> sealed
> engine" for the uninitiated what does that mean?
> _______________________________________________

From palte at gmx.net  Tue Oct  9 12:46:39 2007
From: palte at gmx.net (palte at gmx.net)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:46:39 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] John Hed is TDY.  Back in on Monday 10/22
In-Reply-To: <021d01c80a68$90d035a0$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <OF989486FA.0AC7048F-ON8825736F.003C836A-8825736F.003C836A@faa.gov>
	<021d01c80a68$90d035a0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <20071009184639.226640@gmx.net>

> So what?


Probably a reminder that Dan H.'s Day is coming up?  :-)



> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <John.Hed at faa.gov>
> >I will be out of the office starting  10/09/2007 and will not return
> until
> > 10/19/2007.
> _______________________________________________

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From leylandauto at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 10 10:38:18 2007
From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:38:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <008b01c80b57$1aea1d70$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>
Message-ID: <374575.48858.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

It was the factory new or rebuilt engines that would be used for warranty replacement etc. The blocks were painted gold

1971-red-mgb <1971mgb at cox.net> wrote:  I was reading up on MGB's the other day and someone mentioned a "gold sealed
engine" for the uninitiated what does that mean?
_______________________________________________
leylandauto at yahoo.com
       
---------------------------------
Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally,  mobile search that gives answers, not web links. 

From r.gosling at penspen.com  Wed Oct 10 10:27:53 2007
From: r.gosling at penspen.com (Gosling, Richard)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:27:53 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
Message-ID: <76458B73D88AF649B30C48899A95ACB09EF736@sv-lon-exch1.Penspen.com>

AFAIK, I think a Gold Seal engine originally meant a complete engine
supplied by MG as a spare part (and painted gold, not red).  It also
seems to be used these days by some engine rebuilders to refer to a
professionally rebuilt engine.


Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Wed Oct 10 10:47:55 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:47:55 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGB turbo?  (Was:Re:MGB engine)
In-Reply-To: <BCFE9C90-13AC-4750-AD05-306B1DA93789@trebelhorn.com>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CBBE1CF@kb1.mossmotors.com>

The turbo conversion sold by Moss Motors was manufactured by Arkay
Engineering of Gardena and Hawthorne, CA.

The company offered kits for a range of vehicles including the MGB and
VW Vanagon. There are a number of hits on the name in various VW lists.

This was before my time at Moss, but I remember the kits showing up in
the catalogs. I asked a co-worker and his memory was that there were
issues with the kit and the designers were not very forthcoming with
technical assistance, so the product was dropped.

This is very different from the current Supercharger program which is
totally in-house, relying only on outside manufacturers for the Eaton
blower unit.



Kelvin Dodd



> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-
> bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Matt
Trebelhorn
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:35 AM
> To: MGS List
> Subject: [Mgs] MGB turbo? (Was:Re:MGB engine)
>
> Back in the 80s, Moss made -- or at least advertised -- a turbo kit
> for the MGB.
>
> I have a catalog somewhere with the kit shown.
>
> Anybody know more about the moss turbo B?  Anybody ever see one?
>
> Matt

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 10 11:31:14 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:31:14 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CBBE1BF@kb1.mossmotors.com>
Message-ID: <C3325A72.12289%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Yeah, thankfully my car isn't nicely painted, and the oil leaking from the
rocker cover has pretty much obliterated the gold color, anyway...


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 10/10/07 9:28 AM, Dodd, Kelvin at doddk at mossmotors.com wrote:

> The factory offered rebuilt components on the replacement/aftermarket.
> These were later sold under the Unipart banner.
> 
> My understanding is as follows (please enlighten me if I get anything
> wrong):
> 
> Gold Seal assemblies were assembled using all new wearing components.
> 
> Silver Seal assemblies were assembled with inspected used components.
> 
> 
> 
> The components were (you guessed it) painted in either gold or silver
> (pretty ugly) to indicate the quality.
> 
> 
> Can you imagine opening the bonnet of your nicely painted car to see a
> badly painted gold engine sitting there?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kelvin Dodd
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-
>> bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 1971-red-mgb
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:04 AM
>> To: MG LIST
>> Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
>> 
>> I was reading up on MGB's the other day and someone mentioned a "gold
>> sealed
>> engine" for the uninitiated what does that mean?

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Wed Oct 10 11:58:23 2007
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:58:23 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] MGB turbo?  (Was:Re:MGB engine)
Message-ID: <c56.1f86aed5.343e6cbf@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/10/2007 9:48:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
doddk at mossmotors.com writes:
This is very different from the current  Supercharger program which is 
totally in-house, relying only on outside  manufacturers for the Eaton blower unit.

I've had the opportunity to see the Moss Motors supercharger in action  twice 
and if Kelvin hadn't told me about how it originated and of it's  development 
program, I would bet the farm that it was originally built and  installed at 
the MGB Factory. The build spec's are absolutely seamless! I  must commend 
Moss Motors and their R & D personnel for the incredible  spot-on work they've 
done on the Eaton Supercharger unit.....YES!
BTW--  has anyone seen the latest replacement grilles for MGA's that Moss now 
offers?  WOW! Talk about 7776666666666666666666666 excellent workmanship. As 
a  journeyman sheet metal worker and CNC programmer I can attest that the Moss 
MGA  grille is as good or better than they were originally. Moss Motors and 
Kelvin  Dodd really sets the bar high and the level of excellence must be met 
or they're  rejected. Believe me Moss Motors won't accept nor market anything 
less that the  best possible product/No exceptions!
-=Safety Fast=-
Albert Escalante CCBCC-West Coast.
 



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From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Wed Oct 10 12:09:30 2007
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:09:30 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] MGB turbo?  (Was:Re:MGB engine)
Message-ID: <bd9.1dc35a3f.343e6f5a@aol.com>

Opps!
I don't know where the weird succession  of digits " 
777666666666666666666666" originated but it had absolutely nothing  to do with the review I that I'd 
submitted...
So Solly, Cholly!
Albert  Escalante CCBCC~West Coast  




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From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 10 12:32:26 2007
From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:32:26 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] TD transmission question continued.
Message-ID: <9456904F-23EB-4831-B45C-41EF6CD5AB38@sbcglobal.net>

Can anyone with an early TD transmission send me the dimension for  
how far the 3rd/4th selector shaft extends from the selector?   Mine  
is 7/16th and I think that is an incorrect amount.  The early  
transmission did not have a shaft that ran into the remote housing.    
I think someone took a later shaft cut it off and got the length wrong.

I can send a picture if you need it.

thanks,  MIke

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 10 12:12:49 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:12:49 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGB turbo?  (Was:Re:MGB engine)
In-Reply-To: <bd9.1dc35a3f.343e6f5a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C3326431.12295%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I assumed it was an editorial contribution from your cat...

;-)


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 10/10/07 11:09 AM, Aeseeyou at aol.com at Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:

> Opps!
> I don't know where the weird succession  of digits "
> 777666666666666666666666" originated but it had absolutely nothing  to do with
> the review I that I'd
> submitted...
> So Solly, Cholly!
> Albert  Escalante CCBCC~West Coast

From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 10 13:57:15 2007
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:57:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CBBE1BF@kb1.mossmotors.com>
Message-ID: <835271.35570.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

"Dodd, Kelvin" <doddk at mossmotors.com> wrote: The factory offered rebuilt components on the replacement/aftermarket.
These were later sold under the Unipart banner.

My understanding is as follows (please enlighten me if I get anything
wrong):

Gold Seal assemblies were assembled using all new wearing components.

Several pics in this thread -

http://www.mgexperience.net/phorum/read.php?1,647442




      Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - <cough cough> What's that smoke? <cough cough>
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, still is....
  '04 Audi A4 1.8T q MT-6 - quattro, baby! 
NAMGBR #5-2328 
  http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html

From simon.d.matthews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 14:18:26 2007
From: simon.d.matthews at gmail.com (Simon Matthews)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:18:26 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <835271.35570.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CBBE1BF@kb1.mossmotors.com>
	<835271.35570.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40b437200710101318n71088c7eq4c27d8cbf74c30e4@mail.gmail.com>

The blue in this picture seems a little odd to me:
http://www.mgexperience.net/phorum/file.php?1,file=28211

Could it be a fake Gold Seal engine?

Simon

From ddarby at centurytel.net  Wed Oct 10 17:49:41 2007
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:49:41 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] John Hed is TDY.  Back in on Monday 10/22
References: <OF989486FA.0AC7048F-ON8825736F.003C836A-8825736F.003C836A@faa.gov><021d01c80a68$90d035a0$0200a8c0@Three>
	<20071009184639.226640@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c80b98$3af83a20$2e01a8c0@YOURDC3E0B8F38>

That must have been ten years ago or so. What was that feller's name? Dan 
Haines, Haymes, Hines???

That was back in dial-up days, but my screen was flashing every nano second 
with another message explaining Dan's whereabouts. Somehow I was able to get 
in an exit command and clear out before the whole thing came crashing down. 
One thing we were all convinced of was that Dan was out of the office. Seems 
like it was 11 December, does anyone remember the date?

Cheers,

David
I'll be in for the rest of the day... 

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 10 20:07:44 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:07:44 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Poly Bushings in MGB upper trunnion
References: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich>
	<cab4b95c0710072021r483a94e5p4933a7a5cab24d01@mail.gmail.com>
	<004f01c809a2$3bfbf8a0$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
	<470A3FB4.5000408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009d01c80bab$83496e80$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>

Paul,

This evening I pressed out the two rubber bushings in the upper trunnion, 
the pieces that fit between the shock arms. Each half had a steel sleeve 
which fit snugly over the shouldered bolt that binds all this stuff. The 
same bolt fits loosely into the poly bushings, at least when the poly 
bushings are not installed in the trunnion. The steel sleeve, which I cut 
from the rubber, appears too large in diameter to fit inside the poly 
bushings, although the generic instructions specifically say to reuse them. 
This sleeve is also a much closer fit to the shouldered bolt than the poly 
bush.

If the poly bushings are to be fitted w/o a sleeve, it would appear that 
their loose fit on the bolt would defeat the purpose of using them: to 
tighten up the suspension.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Ed 

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 21:21:34 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:21:34 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Poly Bushings in MGB upper trunnion
In-Reply-To: <009d01c80bab$83496e80$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
References: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich>
	<cab4b95c0710072021r483a94e5p4933a7a5cab24d01@mail.gmail.com>
	<004f01c809a2$3bfbf8a0$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
	<470A3FB4.5000408@gmail.com>
	<009d01c80bab$83496e80$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <9FA174D3-9441-4222-AD6E-49AD88F0A7CC@gmail.com>

I'd say if the instructions say to use them, that you should use them.

I think I missed that this was the upper trunnion before. I was  
thinking the a-arms. Which the V8 bushes
have them but not the poly.

On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Ed Woods wrote:

> Paul,
>
> This evening I pressed out the two rubber bushings in the upper  
> trunnion, the pieces that fit between the shock arms. Each half had  
> a steel sleeve which fit snugly over the shouldered bolt that binds  
> all this stuff. The same bolt fits loosely into the poly bushings,  
> at least when the poly bushings are not installed in the trunnion.  
> The steel sleeve, which I cut from the rubber, appears too large in  
> diameter to fit inside the poly bushings, although the generic  
> instructions specifically say to reuse them. This sleeve is also a  
> much closer fit to the shouldered bolt than the poly bush.
>
> If the poly bushings are to be fitted w/o a sleeve, it would appear  
> that their loose fit on the bolt would defeat the purpose of using  
> them: to tighten up the suspension.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed

Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Wed Oct 10 22:42:28 2007
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:42:28 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Poly Bushings in MGB upper trunnion
In-Reply-To: <009d01c80bab$83496e80$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025FC12C49@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

I would suspect wrong bushings or bolt. The poly bushings do not use the
sleeve and the bolt should be a snug fit. I have changed two pairs of
front shocks to the poly bushings. It's a snug but not overly tight fit
but it also makes for a much easier removal of the bolt at a later time
- whereas it's a bear with the old rubber bushings. As I recall, the
diameter of the hole in the poly bushings is a bit smaller than the
a-arm bushings but otherwise they look similar.

I may have some extras in the garage that I could measure if I get a
chance tomorrow.


David Councill
67 BGT
72 B



-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Ed Woods
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:08 PM
To: Paul Root
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Poly Bushings in MGB upper trunnion

Paul,

This evening I pressed out the two rubber bushings in the upper
trunnion,
the pieces that fit between the shock arms. Each half had a steel sleeve

which fit snugly over the shouldered bolt that binds all this stuff. The

same bolt fits loosely into the poly bushings, at least when the poly
bushings are not installed in the trunnion. The steel sleeve, which I
cut
from the rubber, appears too large in diameter to fit inside the poly
bushings, although the generic instructions specifically say to reuse
them.
This sleeve is also a much closer fit to the shouldered bolt than the
poly
bush.

If the poly bushings are to be fitted w/o a sleeve, it would appear that

their loose fit on the bolt would defeat the purpose of using them: to
tighten up the suspension.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Ed

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Oct 11 02:20:47 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:20:47 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
References: <008b01c80b57$1aea1d70$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>
Message-ID: <00ce01c80be0$5dd921b0$0200a8c0@Three>

It's 'Gold Seal', and is a factory reconditioned replacement engine, painted 
gold instead of red or black.  My understanding is this was a complete 
engine that had been, for whatever reason, stripped, every component checked 
for damage and measured for tolerance, and rebuilt using new components 
where required.  As such Gold Seal engines were said to be better than 
originals, for with originals parts from the component manufacturers were 
fitted as-is without being checked or measured and hence rogue components 
could get through and cause problems later on.  There were also Silver Seal 
engines, which I think were 'short' engines i.e. incomplete, no connection I 
know of with an American company of the same name.  Gold Seal engines have 
their own series of engine number prefixes beginning 48G and latterly BHM in 
place of the 18G, 18Gx and 18V of the originals.  The other prefix and 
suffix letters were as for the originals.  See 
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_engineframe.htm and click on 'Gold Seal 
Engines' for how the Gold Seal prefixes relate to the originals.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>I was reading up on MGB's the other day and someone mentioned a "gold 
>sealed
> engine" for the uninitiated what does that mean?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Oct 11 02:31:01 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:31:01 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Poly Bushings in MGB upper trunnion
References: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich><cab4b95c0710072021r483a94e5p4933a7a5cab24d01@mail.gmail.com><004f01c809a2$3bfbf8a0$6700a8c0@Edscomputer><470A3FB4.5000408@gmail.com>
	<009d01c80bab$83496e80$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <010001c80be2$778023a0$0200a8c0@Three>

Press the steel sleeves in the poly bushes before pressing the poly bushes 
into the trunnion, seems to be the way to go.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... The steel sleeve, which I cut
> from the rubber, appears too large in diameter to fit inside the poly
> bushings, although the generic instructions specifically say to reuse 
> them.
> This sleeve is also a much closer fit to the shouldered bolt than the poly
> bush.

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Oct 11 02:26:06 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:26:06 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] John Hed is TDY.  Back in on Monday 10/22
References: <OF989486FA.0AC7048F-ON8825736F.003C836A-8825736F.003C836A@faa.gov><021d01c80a68$90d035a0$0200a8c0@Three><20071009184639.226640@gmx.net>
	<002c01c80b98$3af83a20$2e01a8c0@YOURDC3E0B8F38>
Message-ID: <00ff01c80be2$775ee000$0200a8c0@Three>

I remember the Dan as well but not his family name.  I also remember the 
first anniversary being celebrated.  I hope I'm wrong, but I also seem to 
recall he, or possibly another Dan, was killed in a car accident not long 
after.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> That must have been ten years ago or so. What was that feller's name? Dan
> Haines, Haymes, Hines???

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 11 07:55:05 2007
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 06:55:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] US Gold Seal Engines(no MG content)
Message-ID: <317246.19204.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
     I seem to remember that, back in the 50's, i saw
what was known as "Gold Seal Engines" being used in
America as high quality replacement engines in
applications that used the Chrysler Company flat head
6 cylinder engines. Applications were varied such as
use in cars, farm equipment, large generators,
irrigation pump engines, etc.
     The "Gold Seal Engines" had a gold painted
cylinder head. The next rung lower on their quality
standard was referred to as Red Head. Both were known
as better engines than the originals.
Howard Gentry
1976 MG-B roadster

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.


       
____________________________________________________________________________________
Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
http://sims.yahoo.com/  

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Oct 11 08:06:27 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:06:27 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] even less  MG content
References: <317246.19204.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <017401c80c10$cc015ab0$0200a8c0@Three>

Developed by slaves ... who had good reason to be blue ...

----- Original Message ----- 
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

From derek at vandivere.net  Thu Oct 11 08:49:04 2007
From: derek at vandivere.net (derek at vandivere.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:49:04 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mgs] even less  MG content
In-Reply-To: <017401c80c10$cc015ab0$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <317246.19204.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<017401c80c10$cc015ab0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <12444.62.140.137.30.1192114144.squirrel@vandivere.net>

Well, New Orleans had a whole lot of free blacks and Creoles as well. Not
such an impact on the development of the blues (which developed after
slavery), but certainly with jazz (the Creoles, for example, pulled in a
lot of 'classical' influences).

But if you're going to count the blues as original, you should also
include ragtime, jazz, rock and roll, and hip hop.

dersk, '78 B

> Developed by slaves ... who had good reason to be blue ...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 11 08:59:34 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:59:34 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c80be0$5dd921b0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <C3338866.12308%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

What is odd is that the used engine which I put into my MGB was alleged to
be a Gold Seal engine; it was painted gold, and it had a BHM number plate,
but the number is not on the list on this page, or the list in the "Original
MGB" book. So I've always been puzzled as to where it came from.

It is a high compression engine without air injection ports -- seemingly an
18GB replacement.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 10/11/07 1:20 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> It's 'Gold Seal', and is a factory reconditioned replacement engine, painted
> gold instead of red or black.  My understanding is this was a complete
> engine that had been, for whatever reason, stripped, every component checked
> for damage and measured for tolerance, and rebuilt using new components
> where required.  As such Gold Seal engines were said to be better than
> originals, for with originals parts from the component manufacturers were
> fitted as-is without being checked or measured and hence rogue components
> could get through and cause problems later on.  There were also Silver Seal
> engines, which I think were 'short' engines i.e. incomplete, no connection I
> know of with an American company of the same name.  Gold Seal engines have
> their own series of engine number prefixes beginning 48G and latterly BHM in
> place of the 18G, 18Gx and 18V of the originals.  The other prefix and
> suffix letters were as for the originals.  See
> http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_engineframe.htm and click on 'Gold Seal
> Engines' for how the Gold Seal prefixes relate to the originals.
> 
> PaulH.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> I was reading up on MGB's the other day and someone mentioned a "gold
>> sealed
>> engine" for the uninitiated what does that mean?

From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Thu Oct 11 09:19:47 2007
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:19:47 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <C3338866.12308%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C3338866.12308%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <a06230939c333ef54ce49@[128.151.164.253]>

Max, what is the # on your block?


>What is odd is that the used engine which I put into my MGB was alleged to
>be a Gold Seal engine; it was painted gold, and it had a BHM number plate,
>but the number is not on the list on this page, or the list in the "Original
>MGB" book. So I've always been puzzled as to where it came from.
>
>It is a high compression engine without air injection ports -- seemingly an
>18GB replacement.
>
>--
>
>Max Heim
>'66 MGB GHN3L76149
>If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>it's the primer red one with chrome wires

-- 
Paul Osborne
University of Rochester
Engineering & Technical Services
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
201 Hopeman Bldg River Campus
Rochester, New York 14627
585-275-5226
paul at ece.rochester.edu

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Oct 11 09:18:54 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:18:54 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
References: <C3338866.12308%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <018b01c80c1b$4dc22ac0$0200a8c0@Three>

You will see from Clausager that BHM prefixes were only used on replacements 
for rubber bumper MGB engines, way after the 18GB.  They were also used for 
other applications like Marina and Sherpa van to name just two, which were 
high compression without air injection ports i.e. same as UK MGBs.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> What is odd is that the used engine which I put into my MGB was alleged to
> be a Gold Seal engine; it was painted gold, and it had a BHM number plate,
> but the number is not on the list on this page, or the list in the 
> "Original
> MGB" book. So I've always been puzzled as to where it came from.
>
> It is a high compression engine without air injection ports -- seemingly 
> an
> 18GB replacement.

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Thu Oct 11 09:30:34 2007
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:30:34 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
Message-ID: <cfd.1cd695f7.343f9b9a@aol.com>

What about Rock 'n Roll? The rebellious child of the Blues that refused to  
be enslaved and instead went on to "Rock the Whole World!" Nothing like it  for 
driving your MG with the top down and the wind blowing in your hair!!
Albert Escalante CCBCC-Left Coast



************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

From mgbob at juno.com  Thu Oct 11 09:44:17 2007
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:44:17 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
Message-ID: <20071011.114417.3152.5.MGBOB@juno.com>

On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:20:47 +0100 "Paul Hunt"
<paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> It's 'Gold Seal', and is a factory reconditioned replacement engine, 
> painted 
> gold instead of red or black.  My understanding is this was a 
> complete 
> engine that had been, for whatever reason, stripped, every component 
> checked 
> for damage and measured for tolerance, and rebuilt using new 
> components 
> where required.  As such Gold Seal engines were said to be better 
> than 
> originals, for with originals parts from the component manufacturers 
> were 
> fitted as-is without being checked or measured and hence rogue 
> components 
> could get through and cause problems later on.  There were also 
> Silver Seal 
> engines, which I think were 'short' engines i.e. incomplete, no 
> connection I 
> know of with an American company of the same name.  Gold Seal 
> engines have 
> their own series of engine number prefixes beginning 48G and 
> latterly BHM in 
> place of the 18G, 18Gx and 18V of the originals.  The other prefix 
> and 
> suffix letters were as for the originals.  See 
> http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/wn_engineframe.htm and click on 'Gold 
> Seal 
> Engines' for how the Gold Seal prefixes relate to the originals.
> 
> PaulH.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >I was reading up on MGB's the other day and someone mentioned a 
> "gold 
> >sealed
> > engine" for the uninitiated what does that mean?
> _______________________________________________
> mgbob at juno.com
> 
> Edit your replies
> 
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Oct 11 09:49:54 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:49:54 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
References: <cfd.1cd695f7.343f9b9a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01c501c80c1f$816134d0$0200a8c0@Three>

Or what's left of our hair, for those who were around at the time ...

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... Nothing like it  for 
> driving your MG with the top down and the wind blowing in your hair!!

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Oct 11 09:48:48 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:48:48 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
References: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CBBE1BF@kb1.mossmotors.com><835271.35570.qm@web50901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<40b437200710101318n71088c7eq4c27d8cbf74c30e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01c401c80c1f$81423b20$0200a8c0@Three>

I'd be very suspicious of this, apart from the ratty tapping of orifices 
(orifii?) the gold colour is very wrong compared to my engine.  This engine 
has been assembled, taped and sprayed and I'm pretty sure the factory didn't 
do them like that any more than they did the originals like that.  I 
remember seeing new engines with the head and rocker cover gaskets 
unpainted, i.e. either they were 'assembled' without gaskets and sprayed, or 
the individual parts were sprayed then assembled with gaskets.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> The blue in this picture seems a little odd to me:
> http://www.mgexperience.net/phorum/file.php?1,file=28211
>
> Could it be a fake Gold Seal engine?

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 11 11:01:43 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:01:43 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <a06230939c333ef54ce49@[128.151.164.253]>
Message-ID: <C333A507.12321%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

BHM 1109-228E

It was a pull from a very rusty 1974 MGB-GT. The GT was apparently driven to
CA from NJ, then the owner found he couldn't smog it in CA (non-smog motor
with dual DCOEs, headers); and since the East Coast body was worthless in
CA, it was sold to British Motorsports in Campbell, who parted it out. I
happened to call the same day looking for an engine, since my teardown had
just revealed a cracked main cap, among other issues. Supposedly this engine
had less than 10K miles -- they opened up the bottom end and replaced the
mains as insurance, but said it looked like new.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 10/11/07 8:19 AM, Paul Osborne at paul at ece.rochester.edu wrote:

> Max, what is the # on your block?
> 
> 
>> What is odd is that the used engine which I put into my MGB was alleged to
>> be a Gold Seal engine; it was painted gold, and it had a BHM number plate,
>> but the number is not on the list on this page, or the list in the "Original
>> MGB" book. So I've always been puzzled as to where it came from.
>> 
>> It is a high compression engine without air injection ports -- seemingly an
>> 18GB replacement.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From WSpohn4 at aol.com  Thu Oct 11 11:13:58 2007
From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:13:58 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
Message-ID: <cba.1c893ef0.343fb3d6@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/11/2007 10:10:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:

It was a  pull from a very rusty 1974 MGB-GT. The GT was apparently driven to
CA from  NJ, then the owner found he couldn't smog it in CA (non-smog motor
with  dual DCOEs, headers); 


  
____________________________________


So it had a crossflow head on it?
 
Bill S.

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 11 11:25:09 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:25:09 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <cba.1c893ef0.343fb3d6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C333AA85.12328%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

No...


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



on 10/11/07 10:13 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:

>  
> In a message dated 10/11/2007 10:10:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
> 
> It was a  pull from a very rusty 1974 MGB-GT. The GT was apparently driven to
> CA from  NJ, then the owner found he couldn't smog it in CA (non-smog motor
> with  dual DCOEs, headers);
> 
> 
>   
> ____________________________________
> 
> 
> So it had a crossflow head on it?
>  
> Bill S.

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 11:51:24 2007
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:51:24 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <C333AA85.12328%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <cba.1c893ef0.343fb3d6@aol.com>
	<C333AA85.12328%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <a3b984e10710111051y312b16f6v9c9d8ccb381c972e@mail.gmail.com>

Color me confused.  If it did not have a crossflow head, how do you mount
dual DCOEs on a 5 port head?  Hell I used to sell Webers, and I have no
clue.

Rick

On 10/11/07, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> No...
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
>
> on 10/11/07 10:13 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> > In a message dated 10/11/2007 10:10:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
> >
> > It was a  pull from a very rusty 1974 MGB-GT. The GT was apparently
> driven to
> > CA from  NJ, then the owner found he couldn't smog it in CA (non-smog
> motor
> > with  dual DCOEs, headers);
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > So it had a crossflow head on it?
> >
> > Bill S.
> _______________________________________________
> richard.ewald at gmail.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

From rocknatural at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 11:53:18 2007
From: rocknatural at gmail.com (The Roxter)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:53:18 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
In-Reply-To: <cfd.1cd695f7.343f9b9a@aol.com>
References: <cfd.1cd695f7.343f9b9a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <470E630E.9080105@gmail.com>

Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:
> What about Rock 'n Roll? The rebellious child of the Blues that refused to  
> be enslaved and instead went on to "Rock the Whole World!" Nothing like it  for 
> driving your MG with the top down and the wind blowing in your hair!!
> Albert Escalante CCBCC-Left Coast
With a JJ Cale or Eric Clapton CD in the player.

-The Roxter
--

From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com  Thu Oct 11 12:04:51 2007
From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:04:51 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e10710111051y312b16f6v9c9d8ccb381c972e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cba.1c893ef0.343fb3d6@aol.com>
	<C333AA85.12328%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<a3b984e10710111051y312b16f6v9c9d8ccb381c972e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <685973F2-8F2B-4C9D-B9DB-3471939A506F@trebelhorn.com>

	From: 	  matt at trebelhorn.com
	Subject: 	Re: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
	Date: 	11 October 2007 2:03:39 PM EDT
	To: 	  richard.ewald at gmail.com

Well, you could "split" each carb, so that you only used one throat  
from each.

Don't laugh -- they actually do this on some race minis, so that each  
inlet manifold branch is straight, not curved.

Pic (manifolds only, carbs not shown):
http://tinyurl.com/2bxoyb

Matt

On 11 Oct, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Richard Ewald wrote:


> Color me confused.  If it did not have a crossflow head, how do you  
> mount
> dual DCOEs on a 5 port head?  Hell I used to sell Webers, and I  
> have no
> clue.
>
> Rick
>
> On 10/11/07, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> No...
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>>
>>
>>
>> on 10/11/07 10:13 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 10/11/2007 10:10:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>>
>>> It was a  pull from a very rusty 1974 MGB-GT. The GT was apparently
>>>
>> driven to
>>
>>> CA from  NJ, then the owner found he couldn't smog it in CA (non- 
>>> smog
>>>
>> motor
>>
>>> with  dual DCOEs, headers);
>>>
>>> ____________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>> So it had a crossflow head on it?
>>>
>>> Bill S.

From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 12:14:42 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:14:42 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <C333AA85.12328%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C333AA85.12328%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <FD0D7CBD-6A6B-42D8-8E8F-5012BD2122CF@gmail.com>

There was a setup where you would run 2 DCOE's, one throat each going  
into the intake manifold and into
the siamesed ports. This gave a straight shot for air/fuel to go into  
the cylinder head, and so a bit more
power.

On Oct 11, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Max Heim wrote:

> No...
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>
>
>
> on 10/11/07 10:13 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/11/2007 10:10:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>
>> It was a  pull from a very rusty 1974 MGB-GT. The GT was  
>> apparently driven to
>> CA from  NJ, then the owner found he couldn't smog it in CA (non- 
>> smog motor
>> with  dual DCOEs, headers);
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> So it had a crossflow head on it?
>>
>> Bill S.
> _______________________________________________
> ptrmgb at gmail.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

Paul Root
ptrmgb at gmail.com
77 MGB
99 OBS

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 11 12:16:52 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:16:52 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <a3b984e10710111051y312b16f6v9c9d8ccb381c972e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C333B6A4.12331%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I have no idea. I only saw the setup for 10 minutes, 15 years ago. I just
remember seeing 4 velocity stacks.

They only sold me the block & head assembly. I didn't get the manifolds,
headers, carbs, rocker cover, distributor, or other goodies.

--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 10/11/07 10:51 AM, Richard Ewald at richard.ewald at gmail.com wrote:

> Color me confused.  If it did not have a crossflow head, how do you mount
> dual DCOEs on a 5 port head?  Hell I used to sell Webers, and I have no
> clue.
> 
> Rick
> 
> On 10/11/07, Max Heim <max_heim at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>> No...
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Max Heim
>> '66 MGB GHN3L76149
>> If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>> it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> on 10/11/07 10:13 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> In a message dated 10/11/2007 10:10:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>> 
>>> It was a  pull from a very rusty 1974 MGB-GT. The GT was apparently
>> driven to
>>> CA from  NJ, then the owner found he couldn't smog it in CA (non-smog
>> motor
>>> with  dual DCOEs, headers);
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ____________________________________
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So it had a crossflow head on it?
>>> 
>>> Bill S.

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Thu Oct 11 13:34:39 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:34:39 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <FD0D7CBD-6A6B-42D8-8E8F-5012BD2122CF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CC8AE13@kb1.mossmotors.com>

I had one of the split weber manifolds for an MGB back about 1993 that I
ordered from Moss Europe. It looked like it was a good way of improving
idle, part throttle and acceleration pump reaction.

Then the new updated cross flow heads came out and I flogged the
manifold to someone at the Pasadena swap meet in Southern California.

Who knows, maybe that was the setup you saw.



Kelvin Dodd


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-
> bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Root
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:15 AM
> To: Max Heim
> Cc: MG List
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
>
> There was a setup where you would run 2 DCOE's, one throat each going
> into the intake manifold and into
> the siamesed ports. This gave a straight shot for air/fuel to go into
> the cylinder head, and so a bit more
> power.
>
> On Oct 11, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Max Heim wrote:
>
> > No...
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Max Heim
> > '66 MGB GHN3L76149
> > If you're near Mountain View, CA,
> > it's the primer red one with chrome wires
> >
> >
> >
> > on 10/11/07 10:13 AM, WSpohn4 at aol.com at WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> In a message dated 10/11/2007 10:10:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >> max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
> >>
> >> It was a  pull from a very rusty 1974 MGB-GT. The GT was
> >> apparently driven to
> >> CA from  NJ, then the owner found he couldn't smog it in CA (non-
> >> smog motor
> >> with  dual DCOEs, headers);

From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Thu Oct 11 13:47:32 2007
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:47:32 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
Message-ID: <d67.16c8af95.343fd7d4@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/11/2007 10:54:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rocknatural at gmail.com writes:
Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:
> What about Rock  'n Roll? The rebellious child of the Blues that refused to 
 
> be  enslaved and instead went on to "Rock the Whole World!" Nothing like it 
  for 
> driving your MG with the top down and the wind blowing in your  hair!!
> Albert Escalante CCBCC-Left Coast

With a JJ Cale or Eric Clapton CD in the player.

-The  Roxter

After Midnight! We're gonna let it all hang out..After Midnight!  We're gonna 
all Jump and Shout! (etc,etc, etc!)
After Midnight! Is probably one of the ten greatest Rock and Roll Songs of  
all time!
Albert Escalante
 



************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

From RampantNM at aol.com  Thu Oct 11 14:38:23 2007
From: RampantNM at aol.com (RampantNM at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:38:23 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] John Hed is TDY.  Back in on Monday 10/22
Message-ID: <c8b.187a0ad7.343fe3bf@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/11/2007 2:41:56 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk writes:

hope I'm  wrong, but I also seem to
recall he, or possibly another Dan, was killed  in a car accident not long
after.



Possibly the Dan that was killed in Alaska when traveling with Barney
Gaylord?  MGBV8 as I remember.  I think the story is still on Barney's  web
site.

Regards,

Robert B. Houston
63 TR4
74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

b&Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and for
several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields




************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

From RampantNM at aol.com  Thu Oct 11 14:41:28 2007
From: RampantNM at aol.com (RampantNM at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:41:28 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] US Gold Seal Engines(no MG content)
Message-ID: <c2e.1db24903.343fe478@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/11/2007 7:55:33 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
zymmer4 at yahoo.com writes:

Howard  Gentry
1976 MG-B roadster

The Blues is the only music Original to  the United States of America.



So Hiawatha sung the blues?????????????

Regards,

Robert B. Houston
63 TR4
74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

b&Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and for
several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields




************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Thu Oct 11 14:42:34 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:42:34 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] John Hed is TDY.  Back in on Monday 10/22
In-Reply-To: <c8b.187a0ad7.343fe3bf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CC8AE48@kb1.mossmotors.com>

Nope.

That was Dick Criswell who was killed on the Alaska run.

He lived here in Southern California and I helped him work on his MGB GT
V8.

In fact it was my spare LE wheel you can see in the accident photos that
he had strapped to the roof.




Kelvin Dodd


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-
> bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> RampantNM at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:38 PM
> To: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk; ddarby at centurytel.net;
mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] John Hed is TDY. Back in on Monday 10/22
>
> In a message dated 10/11/2007 2:41:56 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk writes:
>
> hope I'm  wrong, but I also seem to
> recall he, or possibly another Dan, was killed  in a car accident not
long
> after.
>
>
>
> Possibly the Dan that was killed in Alaska when traveling with Barney
> Gaylord?  MGBV8 as I remember.  I think the story is still on Barney's
> web
> site.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert B. Houston
> 63 TR4
> 74.5 MGBGT
> 73 MG  Midget

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 11 16:18:04 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:18:04 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Gold Seal Engines
References: <C333A507.12321%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00a601c80c54$984f5020$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>

This subject reminds me of a story....

Back in the spring of 1966, I bought my present '54 TF. It had been wrecked 
and stored in a warehouse in Savannah, GA for a number of years. I hauled 
the car back to Beaufort, SC and, since the engine was frozen and I had a 
rebuilt XPAG on hand, replaced the TF's with the +.080 rebuilt. The fact 
that the TF's engine was painted gold meant nothing to me at the time. I did 
transplant the gold head and the 1-1/2 inch carbs however. Back in 
Pittsburgh a year later, I found a buyer for the gold block. He pointed out 
that it was a 1500 cc XPEG unit. and gave me my asking price of $75 for it.

My car is an early TF, not a 1500. So I can only assume that for some reason 
some previous owner had replaced the 1250 with a Gold Seal 1500. Woulda, 
Coulda, Shoulda.

The red XPAG block with the gold head is still in my car 41 years later.

Ed Woods 

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 11 20:42:33 2007
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:42:33 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] oil cooler hoses
References: <004c01c7fc40$247ee170$9adee018@D95Y3D91>
	<005401c7fc5d$810a9160$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <000201c80c79$8caf3d50$800101df@Garage.local>

fortunately, i have a sense of humor . . .

after going through quarts of oil on my last trip, i get home and start 
looking.  you can actually see the oil squirting out of the hose/connector 
out of the oil filter to the oil cooler.  clearly it needs to be replaced!

so, other than the wow factor, is there any reason to spend the extra 
dollars for the stainless steel lines?  anyone have any evidence that they 
last longer?

thanks! 

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Thu Oct 11 22:05:00 2007
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:05:00 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] oil cooler hoses
In-Reply-To: <000201c80c79$8caf3d50$800101df@Garage.local>
References: <004c01c7fc40$247ee170$9adee018@D95Y3D91>
	<005401c7fc5d$810a9160$0200a8c0@Three>
	<000201c80c79$8caf3d50$800101df@Garage.local>
Message-ID: <a3b984e10710112105x6bb2c0dt4a27bb6504d5d948@mail.gmail.com>

Braided flex lines look way cool, but they can be a pain in the ass.  The
stainless steel braiding will act like a file against any thing it rubs
against.  Rubber, steel, wiring, it doesn't matter.
So if you are going to use them, make damn sure they are not touching
anything, and if they do, you will have to physically insulate them from
rubbing against other important things.

Rick

On 10/11/07, oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> fortunately, i have a sense of humor . . .
>
> after going through quarts of oil on my last trip, i get home and start
> looking.  you can actually see the oil squirting out of the hose/connector
> out of the oil filter to the oil cooler.  clearly it needs to be replaced!
>
> so, other than the wow factor, is there any reason to spend the extra
> dollars for the stainless steel lines?  anyone have any evidence that they
> last longer?
>
> thanks!
> _______________________________________________
> richard.ewald at gmail.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Oct 12 02:01:06 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:01:06 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] oil cooler hoses
References: <004c01c7fc40$247ee170$9adee018@D95Y3D91><005401c7fc5d$810a9160$0200a8c0@Three><000201c80c79$8caf3d50$800101df@Garage.local>
	<a3b984e10710112105x6bb2c0dt4a27bb6504d5d948@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c80ca6$2752c760$0200a8c0@Three>

Slide a rubber sheath over them ...

----- Original Message ----- 
> Braided flex lines look way cool, but they can be a pain in the ass.  The
> stainless steel braiding will act like a file against any thing it rubs
> against.  Rubber, steel, wiring, it doesn't matter.
> So if you are going to use them, make damn sure they are not touching
> anything, and if they do, you will have to physically insulate them from
> rubbing against other important things.

From derek at vandivere.net  Fri Oct 12 04:42:00 2007
From: derek at vandivere.net (derek at vandivere.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:42:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
In-Reply-To: <470E630E.9080105@gmail.com>
References: <cfd.1cd695f7.343f9b9a@aol.com> <470E630E.9080105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49394.83.79.140.232.1192185720.squirrel@vandivere.net>

By the way, I was looking around to find what music came out in '78, so I
could play some appropriate music while tooling around (I'm still not sure
if this is a good idea or a pathetic one).

Googling, I found http://www.mbgtop40.com. I swear it took several hours
before I realized that it wasn't mgbtop40.com...

> Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:
>> What about Rock 'n Roll? The rebellious child of the Blues that refused
>> to
>> be enslaved and instead went on to "Rock the Whole World!" Nothing like
>> it  for
>> driving your MG with the top down and the wind blowing in your hair!!
>> Albert Escalante CCBCC-Left Coast
> With a JJ Cale or Eric Clapton CD in the player.
>
> -The Roxter
> --
> _______________________________________________
> derek at vandivere.net
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Fri Oct 12 04:48:49 2007
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 05:48:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] John Hed is TDY.  Back in on Monday 10/22
In-Reply-To: <c8b.187a0ad7.343fe3bf@aol.com>
References: <c8b.187a0ad7.343fe3bf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20071012104912.132961879C9@autox.team.net>

At 04:38 PM 10/11/2007 -0400, RampantNM at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 10/11/2007 2:41:56 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
>paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk writes:
> >>>hope I'm  wrong, but I also seem to recall he, or possibly 
> another Dan, was killed  in a car accident not long after.
>
>Possibly the Dan that was killed in Alaska when traveling with 
>Barney Gaylord?  MGBV8 as I remember.  I think the story is still on 
>Barney's  web site.

No, that was Dick Criswell killed in Alaska.  The guy you're all 
chatting about was Dan Hughs.  The constant message echoing on the 
email list wasn't his fault, just that the list server wasn't set up 
to catch it at the time.

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

From r.gosling at penspen.com  Fri Oct 12 04:58:20 2007
From: r.gosling at penspen.com (Gosling, Richard)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:58:20 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
References: <cfd.1cd695f7.343f9b9a@aol.com> <470E630E.9080105@gmail.com>
	<49394.83.79.140.232.1192185720.squirrel@vandivere.net>
Message-ID: <76458B73D88AF649B30C48899A95ACB09EF73E@sv-lon-exch1.Penspen.com>

"I was looking around to find what music came out in '78, so I could
play some appropriate music while tooling around (I'm still not sure if
this is a good idea or a pathetic one)."

Not a remotely pathetic idea - I compiled a whole CD of songs from '73
to play in Sammy (even made up some cover artwork with a picture of the
car and some good swirly 70's-style lettering!).  Led Zeppelin, Black
Sabbath, Deep Purple, Hawkwind, Alice Cooper, Slade... oh yeah!

I know a Spitfire owner on another forum who used to work as a DJ, so he
created a whole pseudo radio show, with voiceovers, of songs from his
car's year ('69 I think), that he could play in the car!


Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)
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From MGBGT71_NL at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 12 11:06:54 2007
From: MGBGT71_NL at hotmail.com (MG B GT)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:06:54 +0200
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
References: <cfd.1cd695f7.343f9b9a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY108-DAV70E6480B56DEC35C073E9EFA00@phx.gbl>

Every now and then I do prefer the odd 'sex pistols' (never mind te 
bollocks) for a good balance of Britishness...

Michel
mgbgt 71

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Aeseeyou at aol.com>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>; <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin' MG content


> What about Rock 'n Roll? The rebellious child of the Blues that refused to
> be enslaved and instead went on to "Rock the Whole World!" Nothing like it 
> for
> driving your MG with the top down and the wind blowing in your hair!!
> Albert Escalante CCBCC-Left Coast

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 12:18:35 2007
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:18:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] oil cooler hoses
In-Reply-To: <000201c80c79$8caf3d50$800101df@Garage.local>
Message-ID: <707117.44505.qm@web42105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
 
> so, other than the wow factor, is there any reason to spend the
> extra 
> dollars for the stainless steel lines?  anyone have any evidence
> that they last longer?

I had a local hydraulic equipment supply company make new
oil cooler lines for my MGB when it needed them.  This was
in the late 70s and the MG dealers sold a new set for about
$250.  I had the set made for less than $50.  They looked
cool in a Soviet technology kind of way (big brass fittings
and black rubber hoses) and lasted as long as I had the
car, maybe another 8 years.


David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com


       
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 13:12:34 2007
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:12:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-DAV70E6480B56DEC35C073E9EFA00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <727967.22277.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

MG B GT <MGBGT71_NL at hotmail.com> wrote: Every now and then I do prefer the odd 'sex pistols' (never mind te 
bollocks) for a good balance of Britishness...

Michel
mgbgt 71

-------------------
Anarchy for the UK! 30th anniversary of the release of 'Bollocks' this year.




      Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - <cough cough> What's that smoke? <cough cough>
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, still is....
  '04 Audi A4 1.8T q MT-6 - quattro, baby! 
NAMGBR #5-2328 
  http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html

From nory1 at adelphia.net  Fri Oct 12 21:12:41 2007
From: nory1 at adelphia.net (Nory)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:12:41 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
Message-ID: <329EC213-DF15-48F6-A2F7-68080CEDF8FF@adelphia.net>

This might help with what you're looking for---
http://www.tropicalglen.com/

-Nory

> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:42:00 +0200 (CEST)
> From: derek at vandivere.net
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Message-ID: <49394.83.79.140.232.1192185720.squirrel at vandivere.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> By the way, I was looking around to find what music came out in  
> '78, so I
> could play some appropriate music while tooling around (I'm still  
> not sure
> if this is a good idea or a pathetic one).

From ronking at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 12 21:25:11 2007
From: ronking at sbcglobal.net (Ron King)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:25:11 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
References: <cfd.1cd695f7.343f9b9a@aol.com> <470E630E.9080105@gmail.com>
	<49394.83.79.140.232.1192185720.squirrel@vandivere.net>
Message-ID: <017201c80d48$aa3ab640$6402a8c0@kingmanxp>

Personally, my all time favorite tune for cruising is "Free Bird" by Lynard 
Skynard.

Ron King
'71 MGB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <derek at vandivere.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Some Rockin' MG content


> By the way, I was looking around to find what music came out in '78, so I
> could play some appropriate music while tooling around (I'm still not sure
> if this is a good idea or a pathetic one).
>
> Googling, I found http://www.mbgtop40.com. I swear it took several hours
> before I realized that it wasn't mgbtop40.com...
>
>> Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:
>>> What about Rock 'n Roll? The rebellious child of the Blues that refused
>>> to
>>> be enslaved and instead went on to "Rock the Whole World!" Nothing like
>>> it  for
>>> driving your MG with the top down and the wind blowing in your hair!!
>>> Albert Escalante CCBCC-Left Coast
>> With a JJ Cale or Eric Clapton CD in the player.
>>
>> -The Roxter
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> derek at vandivere.net
>>
>> Edit your replies
>>
>> Mgs at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs
> _______________________________________________
> ronking at sbcglobal.net
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs 

From dcouncill at msubillings.edu  Sat Oct 13 08:43:43 2007
From: dcouncill at msubillings.edu (Councill, David)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:43:43 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
In-Reply-To: <017201c80d48$aa3ab640$6402a8c0@kingmanxp>
References: <cfd.1cd695f7.343f9b9a@aol.com>
	<470E630E.9080105@gmail.com><49394.83.79.140.232.1192185720.squirrel@vandivere.net>
	<017201c80d48$aa3ab640$6402a8c0@kingmanxp>
Message-ID: <4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025FC12C58@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>

I stick almost entirely to British music from the era. I was raised on
British music from the 60s, particularly the British blues invasion when
musicians like Clapton, Page, Beck, Mayall, and Peter Green reintroduced
blues back to the states. The last several years I started listening to
folk music from the late 60s - stuff like Fairport Convention, Steeleye
Span, Pentangle. And now I am on an "acid folk" kick with Stone Angel,
Midwinter, the Trees, and other obscurities (maybe not so much in
England). But still the stuff that would have been new when my 67 BGT
and 72B first plied the roads.

David Councill

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+dcouncill=msubillings.edu at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Ron King
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:25 PM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Some Rockin' MG content

Personally, my all time favorite tune for cruising is "Free Bird" by
Lynard
Skynard.

Ron King
'71 MGB
----- Original Message -----
From: <derek at vandivere.net>
To: <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Some Rockin' MG content


> By the way, I was looking around to find what music came out in '78,
so I
> could play some appropriate music while tooling around (I'm still not
sure
> if this is a good idea or a pathetic one).
>
> Googling, I found http://www.mbgtop40.com. I swear it took several
hours
> before I realized that it wasn't mgbtop40.com...
>
>> Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:
>>> What about Rock 'n Roll? The rebellious child of the Blues that
refused
>>> to
>>> be enslaved and instead went on to "Rock the Whole World!" Nothing
like
>>> it  for
>>> driving your MG with the top down and the wind blowing in your
hair!!
>>> Albert Escalante CCBCC-Left Coast
>> With a JJ Cale or Eric Clapton CD in the player.
>>
>> -The Roxter

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Oct 13 08:51:26 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:51:26 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Some Rockin'  MG content
References: <cfd.1cd695f7.343f9b9a@aol.com><470E630E.9080105@gmail.com><49394.83.79.140.232.1192185720.squirrel@vandivere.net><017201c80d48$aa3ab640$6402a8c0@kingmanxp>
	<4801E63444304342BA12869D78DB025FC12C58@EXVS01.msubillings.edu>
Message-ID: <012901c80daa$54437e90$0200a8c0@Three>

This is getting like the infamous 'cat' thread.  In this case the 'cool cat' 
thread?

----- Original Message ----- 
>I stick almost entirely to British music from the era... 

From RonFineEsq at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 13 12:27:31 2007
From: RonFineEsq at earthlink.net (Ron Fine)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:27:31 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Lock Tabs or Loctite?
Message-ID: <001501c80dc6$b7dba510$6501a8c0@XPS400>

Hello,   Getting ready to install the engine backing plate this morning I
discovered that the lock tab set Moss sold me does not have the correct length
lock tabs for 8 of the bolts.  I could reuse the old ones but they don't look
so healthy.  Is it safe to just substitute high strength Loctite?

Thanks for any advise.

Ron Fine
66MGB
61 BN7

From richard.ewald at gmail.com  Sat Oct 13 15:39:42 2007
From: richard.ewald at gmail.com (Richard Ewald)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:39:42 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Lock Tabs or Loctite?
In-Reply-To: <001501c80dc6$b7dba510$6501a8c0@XPS400>
References: <001501c80dc6$b7dba510$6501a8c0@XPS400>
Message-ID: <a3b984e10710131439y7dc5833fid8d48ac0c8fbeb41@mail.gmail.com>

When properly applied and allowed to cure, Loctite is way more than
adequate.  I would strongly suggest that you use blue.  If you put red on
properly it will be stronger than a grade 8 bolt.  On disassembly you will
strip the fastener unless you can heat it to over 400F before the attempt.

Rick

On 10/13/07, Ron Fine <RonFineEsq at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Hello,   Getting ready to install the engine backing plate this morning I
> discovered that the lock tab set Moss sold me does not have the correct
> length
> lock tabs for 8 of the bolts.  I could reuse the old ones but they don't
> look
> so healthy.  Is it safe to just substitute high strength Loctite?
>
> Thanks for any advise.
>
> Ron Fine
> 66MGB
> 61 BN7
> _______________________________________________
> richard.ewald at gmail.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Oct 15 08:51:08 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:51:08 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
References: <C333A507.12321%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <006c01c80f3b$ad87bba0$0200a8c0@Three>

The Motor Heritage Centre reports:

"I'm afraid I can't find a listing as to what specification engine BMH
1109 was a replacement for, I suspect it might be an overseas
specification as I can find no mention of that number in our UK spec
Gold Seal book, which is all we have."

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> BHM 1109-228E

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 15 09:30:57 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:30:57 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
In-Reply-To: <006c01c80f3b$ad87bba0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <C338D5C1.12429%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Well, I guess New Jersey was overseas...

Thanks for asking them.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 10/15/07 7:51 AM, Paul Hunt at paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> The Motor Heritage Centre reports:
> 
> "I'm afraid I can't find a listing as to what specification engine BMH
> 1109 was a replacement for, I suspect it might be an overseas
> specification as I can find no mention of that number in our UK spec
> Gold Seal book, which is all we have."
> 
> PaulH.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> BHM 1109-228E

From RampantNM at aol.com  Mon Oct 15 10:17:12 2007
From: RampantNM at aol.com (RampantNM at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:17:12 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems
Message-ID: <cea.1d2b77f9.3444ec88@aol.com>

OK, I've had a problem with the BGT overheating for some time.  I  drive
about 25 miles one way to work.  The car starts and runs fine, about  4-5
miles
into the drive it hits 200 degrees..190 degree thermostat, aftermarket  add on
temp guage I ASSUME is correct.

In the next 5-10 miles it bounces around 200 to 220 degrees, and for the
last 5 miles pushes 230+.  I end up coasting down hills to keep it under  220
until I get to work.

I thought maybe it was a timing problem.  So I bought a newly rebuilt
distributor and installed it yesterday.  I tried to be careful and keep the
same
orientation as the old distributor that had been set at 11 degrees  BTDC.  The
car started well, and ran great, but in less than five miles was  bumping
220!

I have an appointment with a radiator shop to build me a new radiator,
perhaps with more rows, and to move the pusher electric fan to a puller
position.
But he can't get the car in until the 23rd of October.

By the way, I've noticeds a quirk in the electric fan.  As I pull up  to park
and turn the engine off, I can hear the fan start up...as if it has not  been
running until I stop.  Also, the temp probe for the fan is at the  bottom of
the radiator.  Wouldn't it be more accurate at the top?

TIA for any helpful suggestions.

Regards,

Robert B. Houston
63 TR4
74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

b&Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and for
several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields




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From r.gosling at penspen.com  Mon Oct 15 10:26:46 2007
From: r.gosling at penspen.com (Gosling, Richard)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:26:46 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems
References: <cea.1d2b77f9.3444ec88@aol.com>
Message-ID: <76458B73D88AF649B30C48899A95ACB09EF744@sv-lon-exch1.Penspen.com>

Has the radiator been flushed at all recently?  There could be any
amount of muck restricting the free flow of coolant.

Just one of a number of possible remedies, but a cheap one to try
first...

Also, what's the drive like?  Free-flowing or stop-start?  In
free-flowing traffic the fan shouldn't need to do any work, the forward
motion of the car should be enough, so I wouldn't spend too much of my
effort focussing on the fan unless your car spends significant time
under 20mph.


Richard & Sammy ('73 Black Tulip BGT)
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From mghirsch at netzero.net  Mon Oct 15 10:35:19 2007
From: mghirsch at netzero.net (Maynard Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:35:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems
Message-ID: <001101c80f49$6020ca10$6600a8c0@maynardi2jlr25>

Just for giggles, wire the fan to run when the ignition is on and take a test
drive.  This will tell you if the problem is with the fan or elsewhere.

Maynard

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Mon Oct 15 10:43:45 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:43:45 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems
In-Reply-To: <cea.1d2b77f9.3444ec88@aol.com>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CC8B124@kb1.mossmotors.com>

Robert:

STOP! Do not pass go, do not go to the radiator shop.


The stock MGB radiator is more than capable enough for the car. You
don't have to go modifying the heck out of it.

We run a supercharger and air conditioning on a 1973 MGB with totally
stock radiator. It topped out at 215 degrees pulling a really steep
grade outside of San Luis Obispo at 70 mph.

The first thing I would do is get an infrared thermometer and use it to
check that the thermostat is opening correctly. This will also check the
accuracy of the add on gauge.

The cooling fan whether mechanical or electric is only going to make a
difference at low speeds. So if the car is overheating at normal driving
speeds either the thermostat is not opening correctly, the radiator is
clogged, or the engine has some major problems.


Installing a super thick radiator is only addressing one possible
problem, which is the plugged radiator.



Kelvin Dodd



> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-
> bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> RampantNM at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:17 AM
> To: MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com; mgs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems
>
> OK, I've had a problem with the BGT overheating for some time.  I
drive
> about 25 miles one way to work.  The car starts and runs fine, about
4-5
> miles
> into the drive it hits 200 degrees..190 degree thermostat, aftermarket
> add on
> temp guage I ASSUME is correct.
>
> In the next 5-10 miles it bounces around 200 to 220 degrees, and for
the
> last 5 miles pushes 230+.  I end up coasting down hills to keep it
under
> 220
> until I get to work.
>
> I thought maybe it was a timing problem.  So I bought a newly rebuilt
> distributor and installed it yesterday.  I tried to be careful and
keep
> the
> same
> orientation as the old distributor that had been set at 11 degrees
BTDC.
> The
> car started well, and ran great, but in less than five miles was
bumping
> 220!
>
> I have an appointment with a radiator shop to build me a new radiator,
> perhaps with more rows, and to move the pusher electric fan to a
puller
> position.
> But he can't get the car in until the 23rd of October.
>
> By the way, I've noticeds a quirk in the electric fan.  As I pull up
to
> park
> and turn the engine off, I can hear the fan start up...as if it has
not
> been
> running until I stop.  Also, the temp probe for the fan is at the
bottom
> of
> the radiator.  Wouldn't it be more accurate at the top?
>
> TIA for any helpful suggestions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert B. Houston
> 63 TR4
> 74.5 MGBGT
> 73 MG  Midget

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Mon Oct 15 10:45:46 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:45:46 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Lock Tabs or Loctite?
In-Reply-To: <001501c80dc6$b7dba510$6501a8c0@XPS400>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CC8B129@kb1.mossmotors.com>

Ron:

Can you give me specifics of the problem, so I can check it on this end,
please.



Kelvin Dodd



> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-
> bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fine
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:28 AM
> To: MG List
> Subject: [Mgs] Lock Tabs or Loctite?
>
> Hello,   Getting ready to install the engine backing plate this
morning I
> discovered that the lock tab set Moss sold me does not have the
correct
> length
> lock tabs for 8 of the bolts.  I could reuse the old ones but they
don't
> look
> so healthy.  Is it safe to just substitute high strength Loctite?
>
> Thanks for any advise.
>
> Ron Fine
> 66MGB
> 61 BN7

From guinness at stclegal.com  Mon Oct 15 10:55:43 2007
From: guinness at stclegal.com (Robert J. Guinness)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:55:43 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1600 rear lamp wiring problem.
Message-ID: <47139B8F.6040808@stclegal.com>

I have a MGA 1600 whose rear lamps stay on after the car is turned off 
and the light switch is off..  It is both rear lamps (not the stop light 
or the turn signal).  The front pilot lights do not stay on ( I believe 
they are on the same circuit as the rear lamps).  When I disconnect the 
power cable from the battery (neg. on this pos. earth car) the lights go 
out.  If I reconnect the battery power cable within 15 minutes or so the 
lights go on again.  But if the battery power cable is disconnected for 
an hour or more, the rear lamps will not be on until I run the car for a 
while.  Weird, isn't it?  I might add that the fuel gauge seemed to go 
bad at about the same time.  It read full constantly, but I cleaned off 
the connection at the sending unit and tightened it up.  Now the fuel 
gauge stays at empty!

Any insights you may have other than to replace the wiring harness 
(which I really should do anyway this winter) would be appreciated. 
-- 
Robert Guinness
1961 MGA 1600

From RampantNM at aol.com  Mon Oct 15 11:03:12 2007
From: RampantNM at aol.com (RampantNM at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:03:12 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems
Message-ID: <cdb.1afbfd8d.3444f750@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:23:46 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
r.gosling at penspen.com writes:

Has the  radiator been flushed at all recently?  There could be any
amount of  muck restricting the free flow of coolant.

Just one of a number of  possible remedies, but a cheap one to try
first...

Also, what's the  drive like?  Free-flowing or stop-start?  In
free-flowing traffic  the fan shouldn't need to do any work, the forward
motion of the car should  be enough, so I wouldn't spend too much of my
effort focussing on the fan  unless your car spends significant time
under  20mph.




Radiator was flused an checked a few months ago when we changed the  engine.

The drive is mostly freeway.  First five miles has maybe 4 stop  lights, and
3-4 at the other end, but most is 55-70 MPH freeway.

One thing I forgot to mention yesterday, as I let off the gas and coasted  to
a stop at those first few lights, I had 3-4 large backfires through the
muffler, with great clouds of smoke from each one.  If I pushed in the  clutch
and
let it idle as I coasted to the stop, the backfires did not  occur.

John Twist set the carbs in April, so they should still be spot on.


Regards,

Robert B. Houston
63 TR4
74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

b&Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and for
several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields




************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 15 11:16:23 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:16:23 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1600 rear lamp wiring problem.
In-Reply-To: <47139B8F.6040808@stclegal.com>
Message-ID: <C338EE77.12441%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Rear lamps, or brake lamps?

I have had this happen with brake lamps due to problems with the switch (not
on an MGA).

on 10/15/07 9:55 AM, Robert J. Guinness at guinness at stclegal.com wrote:

> I have a MGA 1600 whose rear lamps stay on after the car is turned off
> and the light switch is off..  It is both rear lamps (not the stop light
> or the turn signal).  The front pilot lights do not stay on ( I believe
> they are on the same circuit as the rear lamps).  When I disconnect the
> power cable from the battery (neg. on this pos. earth car) the lights go
> out.  If I reconnect the battery power cable within 15 minutes or so the
> lights go on again.  But if the battery power cable is disconnected for
> an hour or more, the rear lamps will not be on until I run the car for a
> while.  Weird, isn't it?  I might add that the fuel gauge seemed to go
> bad at about the same time.  It read full constantly, but I cleaned off
> the connection at the sending unit and tightened it up.  Now the fuel
> gauge stays at empty!
> 
> Any insights you may have other than to replace the wiring harness
> (which I really should do anyway this winter) would be appreciated.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 15 11:21:34 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:21:34 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems
In-Reply-To: <cdb.1afbfd8d.3444f750@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C338EFAE.12443%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Hmm, have you checked the compression lately? One ugly possibility is a
blown head gasket.

Also, your timing seemed a little advanced, which can cause hot running. I
have to say I was curious why, if you thought it might be a timing problem,
that you bought a new distributor and set it at exactly the same timing as
the old one. I would have thought the logical first step would be to change
the timing on the existing distributor.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 10/15/07 10:03 AM, RampantNM at aol.com at RampantNM at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:23:46 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> r.gosling at penspen.com writes:
> 
> Has the  radiator been flushed at all recently?  There could be any
> amount of  muck restricting the free flow of coolant.
> 
> Just one of a number of  possible remedies, but a cheap one to try
> first...
> 
> Also, what's the  drive like?  Free-flowing or stop-start?  In
> free-flowing traffic  the fan shouldn't need to do any work, the forward
> motion of the car should  be enough, so I wouldn't spend too much of my
> effort focussing on the fan  unless your car spends significant time
> under  20mph.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Radiator was flused an checked a few months ago when we changed the  engine.
> 
> The drive is mostly freeway.  First five miles has maybe 4 stop  lights, and
> 3-4 at the other end, but most is 55-70 MPH freeway.
> 
> One thing I forgot to mention yesterday, as I let off the gas and coasted  to
> a stop at those first few lights, I had 3-4 large backfires through the
> muffler, with great clouds of smoke from each one.  If I pushed in the  clutch
> and
> let it idle as I coasted to the stop, the backfires did not  occur.
> 
> John Twist set the carbs in April, so they should still be spot on.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Robert B. Houston
> 63 TR4
> 74.5 MGBGT
> 73 MG  Midget
> 
> b&Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and for
> several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields

From RampantNM at aol.com  Mon Oct 15 11:28:31 2007
From: RampantNM at aol.com (RampantNM at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:28:31 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems
Message-ID: <d49.1358295c.3444fd3f@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/15/2007 11:23:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:

I
have to say I was curious why, if you thought it might be a timing  problem,
that you bought a new distributor and set it at exactly the same  timing as
the old one. I would have thought the logical first step would be  to change
the timing on the existing  distributor.



The old vacum advance was toast, and I worried that if it was bad,  the
weights, springs and such might be just as bad, as they were just as  old.
The 11
degree BTDC is what's on the sticker on the car, near the  bonnet latch.

John Twist suggested 15 degrees BTDC at 1500 RPM.  I'll try that  next.

As for the head gasket, wouldn't that cause water in the oil, or oil in the
water, or some sort of contamination or at least water vapor smoke out the
tail  pipe?


Regards,

Robert B. Houston
63 TR4
74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

b&Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and for
several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields




************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 15 11:49:07 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:49:07 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems
In-Reply-To: <d49.1358295c.3444fd3f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C338F623.1244C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

on 10/15/07 10:28 AM, RampantNM at aol.com at RampantNM at aol.com wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 10/15/2007 11:23:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> max_heim at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> I
> have to say I was curious why, if you thought it might be a timing
problem,
> that you bought a new distributor and set it at exactly the same  timing as
> the old one. I would have thought the logical first step would be  to
change
> the timing on the existing  distributor.
>
>
>
> The old vacum advance was toast, and I worried that if it was bad,  the
> weights, springs and such might be just as bad, as they were just as  old.
> The 11
> degree BTDC is what's on the sticker on the car, near the  bonnet latch.

OK, you didn't mention these issues. I was thinking a 74.5 would have less
initial advance. But then, I think this distributor is set up for "vacuum
retard", as opposed to the early ones.

>
> John Twist suggested 15 degrees BTDC at 1500 RPM.  I'll try that  next.
>
> As for the head gasket, wouldn't that cause water in the oil, or oil in the
> water, or some sort of contamination or at least water vapor smoke out the
> tail  pipe?

I was thinking you might have compression blowing into the water passages. I
just encountered this, helping a fellow entrant in the California Melee. His
1951 Kaiser flathead 6 was overheating and blew a seam in the top tank. It
wasn't a result of lack of cooling, but a blown head gasket pressurizing and
heating the coolant. Following the car, one got a strong whiff of burning
oil, but no visible smoke, except occasionally on overrun. This lack of
smoke may have been partly due to being filled with pure water by this point
(no antifreeze left).


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires



>
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert B. Houston
> 63 TR4
> 74.5 MGBGT
> 73 MG  Midget
>
> 
Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and for
> several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields

From mgb72 at airmail.net  Mon Oct 15 16:44:12 2007
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:44:12 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems
In-Reply-To: <cdb.1afbfd8d.3444f750@aol.com>
References: <cdb.1afbfd8d.3444f750@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c80f7c$e8af19d0$ba0d4d70$@net>

Robert,

I would get a hold of a timing light a few degrees can make a huge
difference.  I know you said you tried to orient it the same but with a
light you can be sure.

Chad
'72B



-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
RampantNM at aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:03 PM
To: r.gosling at penspen.com; MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com; mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] BGT problems

In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:23:46 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
r.gosling at penspen.com writes:

Has the  radiator been flushed at all recently?  There could be any
amount of  muck restricting the free flow of coolant.

Just one of a number of  possible remedies, but a cheap one to try
first...

Also, what's the  drive like?  Free-flowing or stop-start?  In
free-flowing traffic  the fan shouldn't need to do any work, the forward
motion of the car should  be enough, so I wouldn't spend too much of my
effort focussing on the fan  unless your car spends significant time
under  20mph.




Radiator was flused an checked a few months ago when we changed the  engine.

The drive is mostly freeway.  First five miles has maybe 4 stop  lights, and
3-4 at the other end, but most is 55-70 MPH freeway.

One thing I forgot to mention yesterday, as I let off the gas and coasted
to
a stop at those first few lights, I had 3-4 large backfires through the
muffler, with great clouds of smoke from each one.  If I pushed in the
clutch
and
let it idle as I coasted to the stop, the backfires did not  occur.

John Twist set the carbs in April, so they should still be spot on.


Regards,

Robert B. Houston
63 TR4
74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

b&Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and for
several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields

From mvrose at charter.net  Mon Oct 15 19:52:35 2007
From: mvrose at charter.net (Valda and Merl Rosenthal)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:52:35 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems
References: <cea.1d2b77f9.3444ec88@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003501c80f97$3a3c2e40$aa43ba44@Primary>

Robert,

I have an electronic fan on my 1980 MGB that I have installed this spring. 
Sounds like you are getting some good advice and here is some additional 
information.  My instructions directed me to install the probe 3-4 inches 
from the top radiator hose.  I also run a 190 degree thermostat.  I live on 
the desert in Washington state and run the car in 100 degree + temperature 
and have never experienced a heating problem.  I hear the same noise you do 
when shutting down my engine but it is the sound of the fan winding down. 
Are you sure yours is starting up?  If so recheck your wiring line up.  In 
addition, it is very easy to reverse the air flow of the fan by switching 
the wires.


Merl Rosenthal  1980 MGB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <RampantNM at aol.com>
To: <MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems


> OK, I've had a problem with the BGT overheating for some time.  I  drive
> about 25 miles one way to work.  The car starts and runs fine, about  4-5
> miles
> into the drive it hits 200 degrees..190 degree thermostat, aftermarket 
> add on
> temp guage I ASSUME is correct.
>
> In the next 5-10 miles it bounces around 200 to 220 degrees, and for the
> last 5 miles pushes 230+.  I end up coasting down hills to keep it under 
> 220
> until I get to work.
>
> I thought maybe it was a timing problem.  So I bought a newly rebuilt
> distributor and installed it yesterday.  I tried to be careful and keep 
> the
> same
> orientation as the old distributor that had been set at 11 degrees  BTDC. 
> The
> car started well, and ran great, but in less than five miles was  bumping
> 220!
>
> I have an appointment with a radiator shop to build me a new radiator,
> perhaps with more rows, and to move the pusher electric fan to a puller
> position.
> But he can't get the car in until the 23rd of October.
>
> By the way, I've noticeds a quirk in the electric fan.  As I pull up  to 
> park
> and turn the engine off, I can hear the fan start up...as if it has not 
> been
> running until I stop.  Also, the temp probe for the fan is at the  bottom 
> of
> the radiator.  Wouldn't it be more accurate at the top?
>
> TIA for any helpful suggestions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert B. Houston
> 63 TR4
> 74.5 MGBGT
> 73 MG  Midget
>
> b&Reminds me of my safari in Africa, somebody forgot the corkscrew  and 
> for
> several days we had to live on nothing but food and water. W. C  Fields
>
>
>
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From james.nazarian at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 21:56:25 2007
From: james.nazarian at gmail.com (James Nazarian)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:56:25 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] BGT problems
In-Reply-To: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CC8B124@kb1.mossmotors.com>
Message-ID: <005e01c80fa8$86db71f0$6400a8c0@theendindeed>

FWIW, when I bought my VDO gauges for the V8 the temp gauge read about 40
degrees too hot.  I confirmed it with two different thermometers and
eventually pulled the needle off the gauge and reinstalled it with correct
location.

James

?-----Original Message-----
?From: mgs-bounces+james.nazarian=gmail.com at autox.team.net 
?[mailto:mgs-bounces+james.nazarian=gmail.com at autox.team.net] 
?On Behalf Of Dodd, Kelvin
?Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:44 PM
?To: RampantNM at aol.com; MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com; mgs at autox.team.net
?Subject: Re: [Mgs] BGT problems
?
?Robert:
?
?STOP! Do not pass go, do not go to the radiator shop.
?
?
?The stock MGB radiator is more than capable enough for the 
?car. You don't have to go modifying the heck out of it.
?
?We run a supercharger and air conditioning on a 1973 MGB with 
?totally stock radiator. It topped out at 215 degrees pulling a 
?really steep grade outside of San Luis Obispo at 70 mph.
?
?The first thing I would do is get an infrared thermometer and 
?use it to check that the thermostat is opening correctly. This 
?will also check the accuracy of the add on gauge.
?
?The cooling fan whether mechanical or electric is only going 
?to make a difference at low speeds. So if the car is 
?overheating at normal driving speeds either the thermostat is 
?not opening correctly, the radiator is clogged, or the engine 
?has some major problems.
?
?
?Installing a super thick radiator is only addressing one 
?possible problem, which is the plugged radiator.
?
?
?
?Kelvin Dodd

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct 16 01:47:39 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:47:39 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] gold sealed engine
References: <C338D5C1.12429%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00ac01c80fc8$f65fabc0$0200a8c0@Three>

Yes, but it doesn't explain the BHM number, which only started to be used in 
late 74, but no air-injection ports, which North American engines had since 
1968.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Well, I guess New Jersey was overseas...

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct 16 02:18:52 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:18:52 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] BGT problems
References: <cea.1d2b77f9.3444ec88@aol.com>
Message-ID: <013701c80fd0$74358d60$0200a8c0@Three>

Firstly it is not overheating if it isn't steaming or losing coolant, but it 
may well be running hotter than it should.

You cannot change a distributor, keep the orientation the same, and expect 
the same timing.  You must re-time it, and you should have checked the 
timing anyway.  All MGB distributors are vacuum advance, the only difference 
is that prior to 1971 all cars had carb vacuum, after that North American 
cars used manifold vacuum.  The difference is that with carb vacuum there is 
no advance applied at idle, only off idle.  With manifold vacuum advance is 
applied at idle.  But they both work the same way - the more the vacuum the 
more the advance.

2nd on all factory cars the electric fans went off with the ignition, so you 
have an after-market or PO bodge.  Ditto the sensor in the bottom hose, all 
factory cars had the sensor either in the head by the thermostat or the top 
of the radiator.  Likewise you cannot assume a PO temp gauge is any more 
accurate than a factory gauge, and is more likely to be less accurate. 
Modern cars often have the temp gauge controlled by the ECU, which maintains 
a steady reading unless the engine temperature goes outside certain 
parameters.  This is to prevent owners getting paranoid about small and 
normal temperature variations that the MGB shows.

Do you still have the mechanical fan as well?  If so check the orientation 
of the blades on that, and the orientation and direction of rotation of the 
electric fan.  A friend has a 1980 MGB that seems to have had similar 
problems, as the PO fitted an engine mounted fan, bypassed the thermostatic 
switch, and all sorts, but it was still boiling over.  The rad cap was only 
7lb instead of 15, and when I pressure tested it was only resisting about 4 
lb anyway.  And the engine mounted fan was blowing the wrong way i.e. 
towards the radiator, but since it is so far away from it we decided to 
leave it where it is for the time being.

Pt. 2 follows

----- Original Message ----- 
OK, I've had a problem with the BGT overheating for some time. 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct 16 02:19:34 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:19:34 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] BGT problems
References: <cea.1d2b77f9.3444ec88@aol.com>
Message-ID: <013801c80fd0$74548710$0200a8c0@Three>

Pt. 2.


It sounds to me like the PO of this car had the problems you are having, and 
went to all sorts of trouble and expenditure to try and get round it, which 
you are in danger of repeating.  Do NOT spend more money or replacing parts, 
diagnosis is key.  MGBs run in desert states without overheating, there is a 
reason for what yours is doing, and that is a defect and not poor original 
design.  And first of that is determining the actual coolant temperature for 
various given gauge readings to determine whether it is getting hotter than 
it should or the gauge is overreading, 230 is certainly way too hot - if 
that is what it is.

If the coolant *is* getting up to that temperature, then the next thing is 
to check the timing, although whilst timing errors can cause hotter running 
I can't see it causing that much, without it being so far out that 
performance issues would be far more obvious.

If it's a head gasket then I would expect coolant loss and frequent 
topping-up, and bubbles in the top of the radiator, which should be easily 
visible on a 74 1/2.

Next thing is to look for cool spots on the radiator surface with an 
infra-red thermometer.

Next is to compare the bottom hose temperature with the top.  A big 
difference here (and I can't give you typicals) indicates a slow flow though 
the cooling system, which could be caused by blockages in either engine or 
rad (the latter should show up on the previous test) or a problem with the 
pump.  I'm not sure of the details but I believe there is an incorrect 
combination of pump and engine that results in low coolant flow.  This could 
also be due to a faulty thermostat, for the purposes of testing I'd run 
without one just to see what the temperature does then.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
OK, I've had a problem with the BGT overheating for some time. 

From enquiries at classic-car-world.co.uk  Tue Oct 16 07:50:01 2007
From: enquiries at classic-car-world.co.uk (Classic-Car-World Ltd)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:50:01 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] MGA 1600 rear lamp wiring problem.
References: <C338EE77.12441%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <003401c80ffb$74279c20$0c00a8c0@ClassicCarWorld.local>

Robert it sounds like you may have a cross feed from another circuit.

Have you tried to isolate the rear lights at the bullet connectors? Take the 
connectors apart and then re-assemble them in the order lights first then 
the rest of the connections (Indicators, stop lights) and see which if any 
brings on the tail lights.

You're right that the front & rear lights are on the same circuit so you 
would expect the front lights to be on as well. Not unless your wiring has 
been modified at some point in its life.

Good luck.

Kindest Regards

Tom
Tom McCay (Director)
Classic-Car-World Ltd
Tel: 01522 888178
FAX: 0870 705 9115
E-Mail: tom at classic-car-world.co.uk
URL: www.classic-car-world.co.uk

Now offering quality Sealey & Draper tools at discount prices, see 
www.ccw-tools.com for further details.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA 1600 rear lamp wiring problem.


> Rear lamps, or brake lamps?
>
> I have had this happen with brake lamps due to problems with the switch 
> (not
> on an MGA).
>
> on 10/15/07 9:55 AM, Robert J. Guinness at guinness at stclegal.com wrote:
>
>> I have a MGA 1600 whose rear lamps stay on after the car is turned off
>> and the light switch is off..  It is both rear lamps (not the stop light
>> or the turn signal).  The front pilot lights do not stay on ( I believe
>> they are on the same circuit as the rear lamps).  When I disconnect the
>> power cable from the battery (neg. on this pos. earth car) the lights go
>> out.  If I reconnect the battery power cable within 15 minutes or so the
>> lights go on again.  But if the battery power cable is disconnected for
>> an hour or more, the rear lamps will not be on until I run the car for a
>> while.  Weird, isn't it?  I might add that the fuel gauge seemed to go
>> bad at about the same time.  It read full constantly, but I cleaned off
>> the connection at the sending unit and tightened it up.  Now the fuel
>> gauge stays at empty!
>>
>> Any insights you may have other than to replace the wiring harness
>> (which I really should do anyway this winter) would be appreciated.

From lrc at red4est.com  Tue Oct 16 14:59:37 2007
From: lrc at red4est.com (Larry Colen)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:59:37 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] New British Car shop in Morgan Hill
Message-ID: <20071016205937.GB13790@red4est.com>

A friend of mine is opening a british car restoration business in
Morgan hill (South of San Jose) and mentioned that while he's got the
body shop covered, he's looking for a good mechanic that knows MGs. I
figure that there's one or two people on this list that might know
somebody. He seems to be shopping for quality rather than price.

Drop me a note for contact info.


-- 
       Too much of a good thing is better than too much of a bad thing.
Larry Colen             lrc at red4est.com            http://www.red4est.com/lrc

From ronking at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 16 21:02:30 2007
From: ronking at sbcglobal.net (Ron King)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:02:30 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] New British Car shop in Morgan Hill
References: <20071016205937.GB13790@red4est.com>
Message-ID: <056f01c8106a$28bef480$6402a8c0@kingmanxp>

Let me know how you feel about his work.  I live in So. San Jose and Morgan 
Hill is closer to me than O'Connor's in Sunnyvale.

Thanks
Ron King
'71 MGB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Colen" <lrc at red4est.com>
To: "MG LIST" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:59 PM
Subject: [Mgs] New British Car shop in Morgan Hill


>A friend of mine is opening a british car restoration business in
> Morgan hill (South of San Jose) and mentioned that while he's got the
> body shop covered, he's looking for a good mechanic that knows MGs. I
> figure that there's one or two people on this list that might know
> somebody. He seems to be shopping for quality rather than price.
>
> Drop me a note for contact info.
>
>
> -- 
>       Too much of a good thing is better than too much of a bad thing.
> Larry Colen             lrc at red4est.com 
> http://www.red4est.com/lrc
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From paul at ece.rochester.edu  Wed Oct 17 06:16:23 2007
From: paul at ece.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:16:23 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Rev gear Replacment
In-Reply-To: <20071016205937.GB13790@red4est.com>
References: <20071016205937.GB13790@red4est.com>
Message-ID: <a06230948c33bad0a4450@[128.151.164.253]>

How difficult is it to replace the rev gear in a B overdrive transmission?
-- 
Paul Osborne
University of Rochester
Engineering & Technical Services
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
201 Hopeman Bldg River Campus
Rochester, New York 14627
585-275-5226
paul at ece.rochester.edu

From RampantNM at aol.com  Wed Oct 17 09:59:19 2007
From: RampantNM at aol.com (RampantNM at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:59:19 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Thanks
Message-ID: <d48.13905a8e.34478b57@aol.com>

I want to thank everyone for the response to my overheating problem.   I'll 
break out the timing light as soon as possible and see if I remember how to  
use it.
 
Then I'll take the thermostat out and test it, and test the car with it  both 
in and out.  You do need a heater living were I live, but only in the  early 
morning and late evening.  You need an air conditioner practically  every day 
here, or at least one day a week, even in the winter.
 
What is the consensus on the blanking sleeve?  Important, not  important?
 
I think I can borrow one of the infra red thermometers, or I'll break down  
and buy one at HF.  I think I'll be going there for a flooring nailer  shortly 
anyway, and a new blade for the tile saw.
 
Again, thanks for all the advice, and I'll let everyone know as soon as I  
get to following it.
 
 
Regards,

Robert B. Houston

74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

As he stared at her ample bosom, he daydreamed of the dual  Skinners Union
carburetors in his vintage MG, highly functional yet  pleasingly formed, 
perched prominently on top of the intake manifold, aching for  experienced hands, 
the small knurled caps of the oil dampeners begging to be  inspected and 
adjusted as
described in chapter seven of the Haynes shop  manual.




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From Aeseeyou at aol.com  Wed Oct 17 12:06:18 2007
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com (Aeseeyou at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:06:18 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Oh No, Not Again! The Triumph might upstage MG's return!
Message-ID: <d4a.14d7820c.3447a91a@aol.com>

In an almost Deja Vu rerun of what happened when  the TR4 upstaged the MGB 
and British-Leyland released the TR7 (TR8) before a new  MG could replace the 
tired MGB (A "Bonehead" move which virtually killed off any  hope that B-L had 
of taking back the lucrative import car market here in  the States, especially 
the sports cars that had dominated the market since right  after WW2. 
The TR7's and TR8's were a horrible flops! The public didn't like  the "wedge 
look" and never accepted them. They sounded a death  knoll to the proud 
British car empire that had been on  top for so many years! 
But now Triumph seems ready to return once  again. And now it appears 
possible that it might even upstage the  "floundering" Chinese built Nanjing MGTF. 
Why? Because the Triumph will be  built and marketed by the Mega-wealthy PR 
powerhouse, BMW...Remember the  impressive way that BMW "sold" the new Mini to the 
nostalgic and extremely loyal  followers of the "old" Mini?  BMW never 
skipped a beat. The same is  possible if BMW does a just fraction of the PR work for 
the new Triumph that it  did before they released the "new" Mini. And now you 
see the "new" Minis  everywhere!
Beside which, the new Triumph really looks great! In fact it  looks like a 
21st Century TR4 ...the little roadsters pedigree is undeniable! To  read more 
go  to:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/210892/triumph.html     
Hey, I'd buy one! And if they're anywhere near as dependable as the BMW Mini  
the new Triumph should be a real threat to the Mazda MX5 or the Miata as the 
MX5  is known here in the Colonies. And if they use the  BMW V-8 engine to  
power them.....Wow! 
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From atweditor at aol.com  Wed Oct 17 12:16:49 2007
From: atweditor at aol.com (atweditor at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:16:49 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Trouble with Chinese fish?
In-Reply-To: <d4a.14d7820c.3447a91a@aol.com>
References: <d4a.14d7820c.3447a91a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8C9DF0104DEEF50-414-8863@MBLK-M12.sysops.aol.com>

 This is seriously bad news.? First Triumph may come back, then we hear that Chinese flounders are getting in the way of the MGTF.? Unless, of course, it was "foundering" that was going on.....

Anyone think that Triumph model looks just like the Pontiac Solstice from the rear, and a little like the new Thunderbird from the front?

Jay Donoghue
72B-GT
66 Mustang


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Aeseeyou at aol.com
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 2:06 pm
Subject: [Mgs] Oh No, Not Again! The Triumph might upstage MG's return!










In an almost Deja Vu rerun of what happened when  the TR4 upstaged the MGB 
and British-Leyland released the TR7 (TR8) before a new  MG could replace the 
tired MGB (A "Bonehead" move which virtually killed off any  hope that B-L had 
of taking back the lucrative import car market here in  the States, especially 
the sports cars that had dominated the market since right  after WW2. 
The TR7's and TR8's were a horrible flops! The public didn't like  the "wedge 
look" and never accepted them. They sounded a death  knoll to the proud 
British car empire that had been on  top for so many years! 
But now Triumph seems ready to return once  again. And now it appears 
possible that it might even upstage the  "floundering" Chinese built Nanjing 
MGTF. 
Why? Because the Triumph will be  built and marketed by the Mega-wealthy PR 
powerhouse, BMW...Remember the  impressive way that BMW "sold" the new Mini to 
the 
nostalgic and extremely loyal  followers of the "old" Mini?  BMW never 
skipped a beat. The same is  possible if BMW does a just fraction of the PR work 
for 
the new Triumph that it  did before they released the "new" Mini. And now you 
see the "new" Minis  everywhere!
Beside which, the new Triumph really looks great! In fact it  looks like a 
21st Century TR4 ...the little roadsters pedigree is undeniable! To  read more 
go  to:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/210892/triumph.html     
Hey, I'd buy one! And if they're anywhere near as dependable as the BMW Mini  
the new Triumph should be a real threat to the Mazda MX5 or the Miata as the 
MX5  is known here in the Colonies. And if they use the  BMW V-8 engine to  
power them.....Wow! 
Albert Escalante CCBCC-West Coast  




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From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 17 12:32:18 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:32:18 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Oh No, Not Again! The Triumph might upstage MG's  return!
In-Reply-To: <d4a.14d7820c.3447a91a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C33BA342.1251C%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Hmm, pretty vague article. And I can't say that concept resembles a Triumph
particularly -- it looks more like a Dodge Neon with a Cadillac grille. I'll
believe this when I see it. Thanks for posting it, though.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires




on 10/17/07 11:06 AM, Aeseeyou at aol.com at Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:

> In an almost Deja Vu rerun of what happened when  the TR4 upstaged the MGB
> and British-Leyland released the TR7 (TR8) before a new  MG could replace the
> tired MGB (A "Bonehead" move which virtually killed off any  hope that B-L had
> of taking back the lucrative import car market here in  the States, especially
> the sports cars that had dominated the market since right  after WW2.
> The TR7's and TR8's were a horrible flops! The public didn't like  the "wedge
> look" and never accepted them. They sounded a death  knoll to the proud
> British car empire that had been on  top for so many years!
> But now Triumph seems ready to return once  again. And now it appears
> possible that it might even upstage the  "floundering" Chinese built Nanjing
> MGTF. 
> Why? Because the Triumph will be  built and marketed by the Mega-wealthy PR
> powerhouse, BMW...Remember the  impressive way that BMW "sold" the new Mini to
> the 
> nostalgic and extremely loyal  followers of the "old" Mini?  BMW never
> skipped a beat. The same is  possible if BMW does a just fraction of the PR
> work for 
> the new Triumph that it  did before they released the "new" Mini. And now you
> see the "new" Minis  everywhere!
> Beside which, the new Triumph really looks great! In fact it  looks like a
> 21st Century TR4 ...the little roadsters pedigree is undeniable! To  read more
> go  to:
> http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/210892/triumph.html
> Hey, I'd buy one! And if they're anywhere near as dependable as the BMW Mini
> the new Triumph should be a real threat to the Mazda MX5 or the Miata as the
> MX5  is known here in the Colonies. And if they use the  BMW V-8 engine to
> power them.....Wow!
> Albert Escalante CCBCC-West Coast

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 12:59:06 2007
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:59:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Oh No, Not Again! The Triumph might upstage MG's  return!
In-Reply-To: <d4a.14d7820c.3447a91a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <69594.38901.qm@web42110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:

> Beside which, the new Triumph really looks great! In fact it  looks
> like a 
> 21st Century TR4 ...the little roadsters pedigree is undeniable!

Funny, my first impression on seeing that picture a few days
ago was "Well, it's certainly ugly enough to be a Triumph!"
I assume that the great height of the front end is to accommodate
the new European "pedestrian impact" regulations -- but what's
with the Triumph *motocycle* logo on the license plate?  Is
BMW going to work in some sort of cross-promotional thing?


David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 12:30:45 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:30:45 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Oh No, Not Again! The Triumph might upstage MG's  return!
In-Reply-To: <d4a.14d7820c.3447a91a@aol.com>
References: <d4a.14d7820c.3447a91a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <471654D5.1070400@gmail.com>

The front 3/4 view looks like a really bland new Thunderbird, with a 
different grill.

I know I'm a minority, but I liked my TR7.  Very modern compared to the 
B. And by
'80, though it was too late for them, build quality was up.

The MGTF  convertible and coupe are much better looking. I keep hoping 
that the
Oklahoma thing actually goes through.

There is also a fabulous show car that Nanjing put out before they 
bought MG. It
was called the tempest, and is meant to be a real successor to the A-H 
3000.  And now
they have that name too.   Could happen...



Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:
> In an almost Deja Vu rerun of what happened when  the TR4 upstaged the MGB 
> and British-Leyland released the TR7 (TR8) before a new  MG could replace the 
> tired MGB (A "Bonehead" move which virtually killed off any  hope that B-L had 
> of taking back the lucrative import car market here in  the States, especially 
> the sports cars that had dominated the market since right  after WW2. 
> The TR7's and TR8's were a horrible flops! The public didn't like  the "wedge 
> look" and never accepted them. They sounded a death  knoll to the proud 
> British car empire that had been on  top for so many years! 
> But now Triumph seems ready to return once  again. And now it appears 
> possible that it might even upstage the  "floundering" Chinese built Nanjing MGTF. 
> Why? Because the Triumph will be  built and marketed by the Mega-wealthy PR 
> powerhouse, BMW...Remember the  impressive way that BMW "sold" the new Mini to the 
> nostalgic and extremely loyal  followers of the "old" Mini?  BMW never 
> skipped a beat. The same is  possible if BMW does a just fraction of the PR work for 
> the new Triumph that it  did before they released the "new" Mini. And now you 
> see the "new" Minis  everywhere!
> Beside which, the new Triumph really looks great! In fact it  looks like a 
> 21st Century TR4 ...the little roadsters pedigree is undeniable! To  read more 
> go  to:
> http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/210892/triumph.html     
> Hey, I'd buy one! And if they're anywhere near as dependable as the BMW Mini  
> the new Triumph should be a real threat to the Mazda MX5 or the Miata as the 
> MX5  is known here in the Colonies. And if they use the  BMW V-8 engine to  
> power them.....Wow! 
> Albert Escalante CCBCC-West Coast  
>
>
>
>
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From ptrmgb at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 12:31:46 2007
From: ptrmgb at gmail.com (Paul Root)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:31:46 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Trouble with Chinese fish?
In-Reply-To: <8C9DF0104DEEF50-414-8863@MBLK-M12.sysops.aol.com>
References: <d4a.14d7820c.3447a91a@aol.com>
	<8C9DF0104DEEF50-414-8863@MBLK-M12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <47165512.1030709@gmail.com>

Hey, I'm not the only one! Very bland.

atweditor at aol.com wrote:
>  This is seriously bad news.? First Triumph may come back, then we hear that Chinese flounders are getting in the way of the MGTF.? Unless, of course, it was "foundering" that was going on.....
>
> Anyone think that Triumph model looks just like the Pontiac Solstice from the rear, and a little like the new Thunderbird from the front?
>
> Jay Donoghue
> 72B-GT
> 66 Mustang
>
>
>  
>
>
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aeseeyou at aol.com
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 2:06 pm
> Subject: [Mgs] Oh No, Not Again! The Triumph might upstage MG's return!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In an almost Deja Vu rerun of what happened when  the TR4 upstaged the MGB 
> and British-Leyland released the TR7 (TR8) before a new  MG could replace the 
> tired MGB (A "Bonehead" move which virtually killed off any  hope that B-L had 
> of taking back the lucrative import car market here in  the States, especially 
> the sports cars that had dominated the market since right  after WW2. 
> The TR7's and TR8's were a horrible flops! The public didn't like  the "wedge 
> look" and never accepted them. They sounded a death  knoll to the proud 
> British car empire that had been on  top for so many years! 
> But now Triumph seems ready to return once  again. And now it appears 
> possible that it might even upstage the  "floundering" Chinese built Nanjing 
> MGTF. 
> Why? Because the Triumph will be  built and marketed by the Mega-wealthy PR 
> powerhouse, BMW...Remember the  impressive way that BMW "sold" the new Mini to 
> the 
> nostalgic and extremely loyal  followers of the "old" Mini?  BMW never 
> skipped a beat. The same is  possible if BMW does a just fraction of the PR work 
> for 
> the new Triumph that it  did before they released the "new" Mini. And now you 
> see the "new" Minis  everywhere!
> Beside which, the new Triumph really looks great! In fact it  looks like a 
> 21st Century TR4 ...the little roadsters pedigree is undeniable! To  read more 
> go  to:
> http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/210892/triumph.html     
> Hey, I'd buy one! And if they're anywhere near as dependable as the BMW Mini  
> the new Triumph should be a real threat to the Mazda MX5 or the Miata as the 
> MX5  is known here in the Colonies. And if they use the  BMW V-8 engine to  
> power them.....Wow! 
> Albert Escalante CCBCC-West Coast  

From wsteinman at pogolaw.com  Wed Oct 17 13:14:33 2007
From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:14:33 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Trouble with Chinese fish?
In-Reply-To: <47165512.1030709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6C74404059EB134FBA542DA75DD8488F016A81EB@WDC-EXCH-VS01.US.PGFM.NET>

That photo has been circulating amongst Triumph enthusiasts -- the
design, as I recall, was done by the magazine, and does not appear to be
sanctioned in any way by BMW.  That's probably why it has the motorcycle
logo -- someone in the art department at the magazine probably didn't
know any better.


Bill S.
2005 Lotus Elise
1968 Triumph TR-250
1968 MGC Tourer
1965 Sunbeam Tiger
1965 Austin Healey 3000 Mk III
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From d_dibiase at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 13:32:11 2007
From: d_dibiase at yahoo.com (Dan DiBiase)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:32:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Oh No, Not Again! The Triumph might upstage MG's  return!
In-Reply-To: <d4a.14d7820c.3447a91a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <53818.7918.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Fugly! I almost hope Chris Bangle gets to mess around with it.....




      Dan D
Central NJ USA
'76 MGB Tourer - Driver - <cough cough> What's that smoke? <cough cough>
'65 MGB Tourer Project - Yep, still is....
  '04 Audi A4 1.8T q MT-6 - quattro, baby! 
NAMGBR #5-2328 
  http://dans65b.blogspot.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/dibiase/Working_MG_Gallery.html

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 17 13:40:20 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:40:20 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Oh No, Not Again! The Triumph might upstage MG's   return!
In-Reply-To: <69594.38901.qm@web42110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C33BB334.1253F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Reading between the lines, this doesn't seem to be any kind of "official"
concept -- it is a rendering commissioned by the magazine editors -- in
other words, pure speculation. The logo is probably just a mistake on the
part of the rendering artist. The car company and the motorcycle company
have been separate since 1936.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires


on 10/17/07 11:59 AM, David Breneman at david_breneman at yahoo.com wrote:

> --- Aeseeyou at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Beside which, the new Triumph really looks great! In fact it  looks
>> like a 
>> 21st Century TR4 ...the little roadsters pedigree is undeniable!
> 
> Funny, my first impression on seeing that picture a few days
> ago was "Well, it's certainly ugly enough to be a Triumph!"
> I assume that the great height of the front end is to accommodate
> the new European "pedestrian impact" regulations -- but what's
> with the Triumph *motocycle* logo on the license plate?  Is
> BMW going to work in some sort of cross-promotional thing?
> 
> 
> David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Wed Oct 17 14:02:11 2007
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (dave houser)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:02:11 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Mallory Distributor
Message-ID: <47166A43.9090408@tampabay.rr.com>

Listers,
 I have a new dual point Mallory dizzy on my shelf, # 2332001. What does 
it fit?
TIA,
Dave Houser

From jello at ida.net  Wed Oct 17 15:16:13 2007
From: jello at ida.net (Phil Bates)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:16:13 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Mallory Distributor
In-Reply-To: <47166A43.9090408@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <47166A43.9090408@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3109.209.180.80.45.1192655773.squirrel@webmail.ida.net>

Nothing and everything.  It probably needs a drive dog.  These are highly
adjustible distributors - if it's for a 4 cylinder, it will fit just about
anything with 4 cylinders, but will need the right drive dog, the right
hold down mechanism, and maybe a sleeve to fit ideally into a distributor
hole.  Many of these have been sold to replace the 45D and 25D lucas
distributors that are common for MGB's (and many other cars).

Phil

> Listers,
>  I have a new dual point Mallory dizzy on my shelf, # 2332001. What does
> it fit?
> TIA,
> Dave Houser
> _______________________________________________
> jello at ida.net
>
> Edit your replies
>
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From RampantNM at aol.com  Wed Oct 17 16:24:29 2007
From: RampantNM at aol.com (RampantNM at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:24:29 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Trouble with Chinese fish?
Message-ID: <d3d.1590efb9.3447e59d@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/17/2007 12:17:14 PM Mountain Daylight Time,  
atweditor at aol.com writes:

Anyone  think that Triumph model looks just like the Pontiac Solstice from 
the rear,  and a little like the new Thunderbird from the  front?



The TR list folks seem to think it was photoshopped from either the  Pontiac 
or Saturn, and used the side of a Z4...with a Triumph motorcycle  logo....
 
Regards,

Robert B. Houston

74.5 MGBGT
73 MG  Midget

As he stared at her ample bosom, he daydreamed of the dual  Skinners Union
carburetors in his vintage MG, highly functional yet  pleasingly formed, 
perched prominently on top of the intake manifold, aching for  experienced hands, 
the small knurled caps of the oil dampeners begging to be  inspected and 
adjusted as
described in chapter seven of the Haynes shop  manual.




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From mgb72 at airmail.net  Wed Oct 17 16:46:21 2007
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:46:21 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rev gear Replacment
In-Reply-To: <a06230948c33bad0a4450@[128.151.164.253]>
References: <20071016205937.GB13790@red4est.com>
	<a06230948c33bad0a4450@[128.151.164.253]>
Message-ID: <000001c8110f$8a6ed4c0$9f4c7e40$@net>

The overdrive unit really doesn't affect anything, it slides off as a whole
unit.   Replacing reverse will require disassembly of the transmission.  So
while you are in there I would plan on replacing the synchros and any
bushings or bearings that look bad.  The tranny is kind of a puzzle and it
can only be assembled in order.  Just take your time and pay attention to
the instructions in the Bentley manual and you will be ok.

Chad

'72B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul
Osborne
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:16 AM
To: mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mgs] Rev gear Replacment

How difficult is it to replace the rev gear in a B overdrive transmission?
-- 
Paul Osborne
University of Rochester
Engineering & Technical Services
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
201 Hopeman Bldg River Campus
Rochester, New York 14627
585-275-5226
paul at ece.rochester.edu

From mgb72 at airmail.net  Wed Oct 17 16:48:29 2007
From: mgb72 at airmail.net (Chad Cooper)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:48:29 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Mallory Distributor
In-Reply-To: <47166A43.9090408@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <47166A43.9090408@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000101c8110f$d6b7cad0$84276070$@net>

The Mallory website has the info, they list their applications.

Chad
'72B

-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+mgb72=airmail.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
houser
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:02 PM
To: MGs
Subject: [Mgs] Mallory Distributor

Listers,
 I have a new dual point Mallory dizzy on my shelf, # 2332001. What does 
it fit?
TIA,
Dave Houser

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Oct 18 01:44:34 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:44:34 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Trouble with Chinese fish?
References: <d4a.14d7820c.3447a91a@aol.com>
	<8C9DF0104DEEF50-414-8863@MBLK-M12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00e601c8115b$d8257a10$0200a8c0@Three>

"Floundering" means flopping about all over the place and not getting 
anywhere.  Like a fish on a deck, perhaps.

"Foundering" is sinking, as in a ship going down.

Perhaps either or both could be applied, but the former is what they 
intended at the moment, the latter may come later.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> This is seriously bad news.? First Triumph may come back, then we hear 
> that Chinese flounders are getting in the way of the MGTF.? Unless, of 
> course, it was "foundering" that was going on.....

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Oct 18 01:51:22 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:51:22 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Oh No, Not Again! The Triumph might upstage MG's  return!
References: <d4a.14d7820c.3447a91a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00e701c8115b$d846e4c0$0200a8c0@Three>

It talks about retro and compares it to the MINI.  But whilst the MINI does 
have a passing resemblance to the old Mini this 'Triumph' doesn't bear the 
slightest resemblance to anything historic or British.  Any neither has or 
will have anything under the skin that has the slightest connection to what 
went before.  Auto Express is known as 'Auto Distress' in the UK for many 
reasons, showing the Triumph Motorcycle logo in connection with the totally 
unconnected car is an example of their 'professionalism'.

But if BMW go ahead then it almost certainly will be a success overall. 
Whether it will be a success in the UK is another matter, it looks very 
'American' to my eyes, and American cars have always bombed in the UK.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Why? Because the Triumph will be  built and marketed by the Mega-wealthy 
> PR
> powerhouse, BMW...Remember the  impressive way that BMW "sold" the new 
> Mini to the
> nostalgic and extremely loyal  followers of the "old" Mini? 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Oct 18 02:46:19 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:46:19 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Thanks
References: <d48.13905a8e.34478b57@aol.com>
Message-ID: <018301c81164$3eb35100$0200a8c0@Three>

I've see 'blanking sleeve' applied to two different things.  One is on an A 
and possibly a 3-bearing B and restricts the flow of coolant through a port 
which bypasses the thermostat to give a quicker warm-up.  I'm not sure 
whether this is relevant to 5-bearing Bs.  The other is a restrictor used 
*in place of* the thermostat, to restrict the flow of coolant through the 
engine and radiator to that which would occur if a thermostat were fitted 
and fully open.  These are often used by racers as the thermostat is 
superfluous but could stick closed.  Running without one of these *or* a 
thermostat causes a greater coolant flow rate through the engine, which 
causes turbulence, which can result in local recirculation and hot-spots. 
But for the purposes of brief testing when looking into a possible hot 
running problem this restrictor isn't required, although one can be 
fashioned out of an old thermostat by removing the spring and pellet and 
just leaving the disc.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> What is the consensus on the blanking sleeve?  Important, not  important?

From mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Oct 18 07:40:32 2007
From: mgs4dave at tampabay.rr.com (dave houser)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:40:32 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Mallory Distributor
In-Reply-To: <3109.209.180.80.45.1192655773.squirrel@webmail.ida.net>
References: <47166A43.9090408@tampabay.rr.com>
	<3109.209.180.80.45.1192655773.squirrel@webmail.ida.net>
Message-ID: <47176250.6000508@tampabay.rr.com>

To all who responded to my query. This is great info. I have a choice 
whether my 53 TD, 60MGA Coupe or the 67 BGT gets the prize. will use the 
drive dog from the appropriate car.
Cheeers,
Dave

Phil Bates wrote:

>Nothing and everything.  It probably needs a drive dog.  These are highly
>adjustible distributors - if it's for a 4 cylinder, it will fit just about
>anything with 4 cylinders, but will need the right drive dog, the right
>hold down mechanism, and maybe a sleeve to fit ideally into a distributor
>hole.  Many of these have been sold to replace the 45D and 25D lucas
>distributors that are common for MGB's (and many other cars).
>
>Phil
>
>  
>
>>Listers,
>> I have a new dual point Mallory dizzy on my shelf, # 2332001. What does
>>it fit?
>>TIA,
>>Dave Houser

From barrie at look.ca  Thu Oct 18 07:46:35 2007
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:46:35 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Stainless steel tubing
Message-ID: <E1IiViV-0002G3-61@beta.look.ca>

I am looking for 8-10 feet of 3" stainless steel tubing from which to 
fabricate an exhaust.  It will be squeezed to 1" resulting in the 
same gas flow of 2.25".  Has anyone got a source of reasonably priced 
stuff - I have been quoted $30 a foot !!!!

Regards

Barrie Robinson
705-721-9060
MGB GT V8
Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm

PURVEYOR  of O-ring kits for Smith and Jaeger gauges
                         Stainless steel mesh grilles for MGBs
                         High-tech sound deadening materials
                       .........and Exotic wood gear lever knobs

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Thu Oct 18 10:31:43 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:31:43 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Thanks
In-Reply-To: <018301c81164$3eb35100$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CC8B7CD@kb1.mossmotors.com>

Paul:

The current unit that Moss carries performs both services.

http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=58155&Sort
Order=1

It restricts flow through the bypass passage (the passage is in all B
series blocks) and also reduces the diameter of the thermostat mounting
passage slightly giving the same diameter as a fully open thermostat.

The current available unit is configured after the factory part number
11G176 as supplied on the factory race cars.

I do not recommend using this on the street. I'd qualify it as a race
only part though Moss is happy to sell them to anyone. I think the text
I wrote for catalog and website gives a pretty accurate representation.


Btw. The bypass passage in the B series engines is fairly small, so the
effect on cooling from using this blanking sleeve or the original style
bellows thermostat is pretty minor. Engines such as the Jaguar 3.8L and
Triumph TR2-4 have much larger bypass passages and will get a
significant improvement by using the bellows style blanking thermostat.



Kelvin Dodd


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-
> bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Hunt
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 1:46 AM
> To: RampantNM at aol.com; mgs at autox.team.net; MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Thanks
>
> I've see 'blanking sleeve' applied to two different things.  One is on
an
> A
> and possibly a 3-bearing B and restricts the flow of coolant through a
> port
> which bypasses the thermostat to give a quicker warm-up.  I'm not sure
> whether this is relevant to 5-bearing Bs.  The other is a restrictor
used
> *in place of* the thermostat, to restrict the flow of coolant through
the
> engine and radiator to that which would occur if a thermostat were
fitted
> and fully open.  These are often used by racers as the thermostat is
> superfluous but could stick closed.  Running without one of these *or*
a
> thermostat causes a greater coolant flow rate through the engine,
which
> causes turbulence, which can result in local recirculation and
hot-spots.
> But for the purposes of brief testing when looking into a possible hot
> running problem this restrictor isn't required, although one can be
> fashioned out of an old thermostat by removing the spring and pellet
and
> just leaving the disc.
>
> PaulH.

From barrie at look.ca  Thu Oct 18 22:22:07 2007
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:22:07 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Stainless steel tubing
Message-ID: <E1Iijf6-0000JF-PO@epsilon.look.ca>

This list is awesome.   Thanks to a lister I am now in the possession 
(well shortly) of 10ft of SS 3" tube for only $114.

Thank thank you one and all





Regards

Barrie Robinson
705-721-9060
MGB GT V8
Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm

PURVEYOR  of O-ring kits for Smith and Jaeger gauges
                         Stainless steel mesh grilles for MGBs
                         High-tech sound deadening materials
                       .........and Exotic wood gear lever knobs

From barrie at look.ca  Fri Oct 19 14:08:32 2007
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:08:32 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Cobra exhaust
Message-ID: <E1Iiz44-0006CW-55@delta.look.ca>

My buddy up the road who "crafted" a SS wiggly hose to get round my 
oil filter and sway-bar is now going to replace my exhaust with a 
"cobra" one.  This is nothing more than squashed tube.  This 1" high 
fat oval pipe will run under the chassis and connect to headers, and 
for over the axle to silencer (muffler) with a shaped 
connectors.  This will give me an extra 1.25" clearance - (actually 
more because current one has ugh flanges) - so goodbye sleeping policemen!!!

Is anyone interested in getting such a system - as he says he can 
make a couple while he is about it !???

Regards

Barrie Robinson
705-721-9060
MGB GT V8
Aston Martin DB 2/4 MkII in the wings
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm

PURVEYOR  of O-ring kits for Smith and Jaeger gauges
                         Stainless steel mesh grilles for MGBs
                         High-tech sound deadening materials
                       .........and Exotic wood gear lever knobs

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Sat Oct 20 05:12:54 2007
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:12:54 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] test
Message-ID: <4719E2B6.5030005@wi.net>

sorry, having problems sending mail

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sat Oct 20 09:58:11 2007
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:58:11 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rear brake locked
Message-ID: <471A2593.6010907@ktc.com>

Hi Gang,

   I cranked up our '69 B one day last weekend and when I began to back 
it out of the garage it felt like the emergency brake hadn't completely 
released.  So I get it into the driveway and move it forward.  Hah!  The 
brakes released.  Hmmm, what happens if I reverse it?  Did so.  The rear 
brakes applied themselves.  Well, I'll be...  Went through several 
forward and back reiterations, same thing.  Put it back in the garage 
and went in the other car.

   Did a little trouble shooting a few days later.  Isolated the problem 
to the right rear brake.  Pulled the drum expecting to find a broken 
spring on the trailing shoe but could find nothing wrong.  Shoes look 
OK, drum isn't scored, etc.  Since it was up on stands anyway, looked at 
the other side too.  Same story.  After reinstalling the drums, found 
that if the brakes are adjusted for a little drag when turned forward, 
they wanted to lock up when turned backwards, both sides.  If backed off 
a notch, all OK.  How 'bout dat?  Thing is, if the adjustment is left 
the way it is, the E-brake doesn't hold worth spit.

   Now it's been a record rainfall year and we haven't driven the car 
much.  Humidity has been pretty high but the car is usually garaged. 
Could it be that the brake shoes have soaked up a little moisture and 
are grabby as a result?  About all I can figure to do is go for a long 
ride with some hard braking scattered about during it to dry things out, 
then readjust the rear brakes to see what happens.

   Anyone else ever run into something like this?

   Cheers,

    CR

From ddarby at centurytel.net  Sat Oct 20 10:15:05 2007
From: ddarby at centurytel.net (David F. Darby)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:15:05 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rear brake locked
References: <471A2593.6010907@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <002401c81334$61625300$2e01a8c0@YOURDC3E0B8F38>

Charles,

I once had a very similar situation with an MGB, and eventually found that 
the culprit was the rear flex hose just beginning to deteriorate internally 
and acting as a (not very efficient) check valve. YMMV.

Cheers,

David 

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sun Oct 21 06:38:32 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:38:32 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] SOS '07 projects update
Message-ID: <001c01c813df$4c2cfa70$e486ef50$@com>

Hey y'all,

 

I've got confirmation that Mary (the widow that sold me a Bugeye and the 4
raccoon pooh laden parts cars) has confirmed that she and her son will
participate in SOS '07. She kept one Bugeye because her son wanted  a car
that his late father had owned, and she kept the MKI Midget that she and her
husband had their first date in. That car has been sitting many years.

 

We'll trailer the car over from Madison to the Dream Farm, and assess the
overall condition. We'll see if we can get it running, shifting, starting
and stopping. essentially make a drivable vehicle for her.

 

We have numerous other projects on tap. We'll have some special guests, some
great food, and as always, broadcast the event in real time with 2 way
audience communication via Yahoo Messenger.

 

SOS '07 is held at the Dream Farm (between Fond du Lac and Oshkosh, WI) on
Fri & Sat after Thanksgiving.

 

WST

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



 <mailto:wsthompson at thicko.com> wsthompson at thicko.com

 <http://www.thicko.com/> www.thicko.com

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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Oct 21 07:51:03 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:51:03 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Rear brake locked
References: <471A2593.6010907@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01c813ea$95c80d90$0200a8c0@Three>

Had this myself a couple of years ago, after fifteen years without any 
problem.  Couldn't find anything wrong, but slacking off the adjuster one 
notch stopped it happening, and this year when servicing the brakes and 
adjusting as I always had done before again no problem.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>   I cranked up our '69 B one day last weekend and when I began to back
> it out of the garage it felt like the emergency brake hadn't completely
> released.  So I get it into the driveway and move it forward.  Hah!  The
> brakes released.  Hmmm, what happens if I reverse it?  Did so.  The rear
> brakes applied themselves.  Well, I'll be... 

From 1971mgb at cox.net  Sun Oct 21 08:40:01 2007
From: 1971mgb at cox.net (1971-red-mgb)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:40:01 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] spongy brakes
Message-ID: <002c01c813f0$42d8ea90$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>

Talking about brakes, recently I been noticing when ever I apply the brakes
that I'm experiencing a soft/ spongy brake feel, I've checked my brake master
cylinder (no leaks and full) I've checked my front brake pads ( a lot of meat
left on them) I'm running with the stainless steel brake hoses , Moss 182-228,
they only been on for about 2 years.
any thoughts?

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Oct 21 08:49:29 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:49:29 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] spongy brakes
References: <002c01c813f0$42d8ea90$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>
Message-ID: <00d001c813f3$23a7f690$0200a8c0@Three>

Sounds like they need bleeding, has any work been done on them recently?  Is 
the rear flex hose stainless as well, if you didn't change that at the same 
time maybe it is weakening and swelling up, even with split brakes and the 
differential warning system maybe the difference isn't enough to trigger it 
.. yet!

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Talking about brakes, recently I been noticing when ever I apply the 
> brakes
> that I'm experiencing a soft/ spongy brake feel, 

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sun Oct 21 09:33:13 2007
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:33:13 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rear brake locked
In-Reply-To: <002401c81334$61625300$2e01a8c0@YOURDC3E0B8F38>
References: <471A2593.6010907@ktc.com>
	<002401c81334$61625300$2e01a8c0@YOURDC3E0B8F38>
Message-ID: <471B7139.3070506@ktc.com>

  Thanks,

   I had that happen with a clutch hose, clutch stayed disengaged.  I 
neglected to write that I drove the B after the troubleshooting and 
adjustment, the brakes worked normally.  So I don't think the prob is 
hydraulic, so far.

   CR

David F. Darby wrote:
> Charles,
> 
> I once had a very similar situation with an MGB, and eventually found that 
> the culprit was the rear flex hose just beginning to deteriorate internally 
> and acting as a (not very efficient) check valve. YMMV.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> David 
> _______________________________________________
> ccrobins at ktc.com
> 
> Edit your replies
> 
> Mgs at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Sun Oct 21 09:40:19 2007
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:40:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Rear brake locked
In-Reply-To: <00ab01c813ea$95c80d90$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <471A2593.6010907@ktc.com> <00ab01c813ea$95c80d90$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <471B72E3.7000101@ktc.com>

    Doggoned cars develop a personality, huh?  It drove OK afterwards 
except that the E brake won't hold well.  One of those Moss cables that 
Kelvin said suffered from "specification drift."  ;^)  Rotten weather 
this weekend.  I'll drive it some more and then tighten up the 
adjustment a notch.  Wouldn't surprise me if it duplicates your car's 
behavior.

   CR


Paul Hunt wrote:
> Had this myself a couple of years ago, after fifteen years without any 
> problem.  Couldn't find anything wrong, but slacking off the adjuster 
> one notch stopped it happening, and this year when servicing the brakes 
> and adjusting as I always had done before again no problem.
> 
> PaulH.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>>   I cranked up our '69 B one day last weekend and when I began to back
>> it out of the garage it felt like the emergency brake hadn't completely
>> released.  So I get it into the driveway and move it forward.  Hah!  The
>> brakes released.  Hmmm, what happens if I reverse it?  Did so.  The rear
>> brakes applied themselves.  Well, I'll be... 

From 1971mgb at cox.net  Sun Oct 21 10:02:56 2007
From: 1971mgb at cox.net (1971-red-mgb)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:02:56 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] spongy brakes
References: <002c01c813f0$42d8ea90$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>
	<00d001c813f3$23a7f690$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <003f01c813fb$d84cccd0$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>

no work was done on them recently I changed front pads and rear shoes almost
a year ago , stainless hoses all the way around and they were changed at the
same time, I will bleed the brakes and see what type of results I'll get.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "1971-red-mgb" <1971mgb at cox.net>; "MG LIST" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] spongy brakes


> Sounds like they need bleeding, has any work been done on them recently?
Is
> the rear flex hose stainless as well, if you didn't change that at the
same
> time maybe it is weakening and swelling up, even with split brakes and the
> differential warning system maybe the difference isn't enough to trigger
it
> .. yet!
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > Talking about brakes, recently I been noticing when ever I apply the
> > brakes
> > that I'm experiencing a soft/ spongy brake feel,
>
>
>
>
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 21 21:56:55 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:56:55 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Weber carb info
References: <151378.6961.qm@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401c8145f$96bc4a70$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>

List,

Well, after removing, dismantling, cleaning, reassembling, and reinstalling 
the Weber downdraft to my friend's '77 MGB, I can report no change in 
symptoms whatsoever. I found the carb to be relatively clean, with only a 
skim of rusty sediment in the float chamber.

Idle is still rough and irregular, rough enough to cause the oil pressure 
gauge to fluctuate. Steady running still experiences missing at any steady 
engine speed, parked or driving. It does appear to smooth out during 
acceleration, perhaps when the secondary is open.

Present ignition system is the new, self containing Pertronix with mating 
coil. Plugs and wiring are new. Compression is great and even. Valves are 
set. Plugs are new.

After years of sitting, enough to dry whatever was in the tank, I added 5 
gallons of fresh fuel along with a carb cleaner.

How can such a simple instrument behave this badly?

Thoughts?

Do I tell the guy to buy a new Weber? Is it the Weber? Do I spend a day 
putting a pair of SU's on this thing as a test?

TIA,

Ed Woods 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Oct 22 01:43:12 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:43:12 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] spongy brakes
References: <002c01c813f0$42d8ea90$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3><00d001c813f3$23a7f690$0200a8c0@Three>
	<003f01c813fb$d84cccd0$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>
Message-ID: <008901c8147f$db3d9f30$0200a8c0@Three>

With two MGBs I find I have to bleed in two stages - normal filling/bleeding 
with a continuous flow device such as the Gunson's EeziBleed, then I have to 
get someone to press hard on the brake pedal while I briefly open and close 
each caliper nipple in turn, and this always blasts a bit more air out. 
Until I do that the brakes are spongy, and a long initial pedal, even though 
I can get no more air out with the EeziBleed.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... I will bleed the brakes and see what type of results I'll get.

From tsouthworth70 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 22 05:52:57 2007
From: tsouthworth70 at hotmail.com (Tuck Southworth)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:52:57 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Weber carb info
In-Reply-To: <002401c8145f$96bc4a70$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
References: <151378.6961.qm@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<002401c8145f$96bc4a70$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY125-W2C7C3C10E030199FAB3ECBF9A0@phx.gbl>

I think your statement, after years of sitting may be the clue.  Unless you
flushed out the gas tank I'd bet there is some sediment in there thats mixing
with the fresh gas to cause a problem. Is there an inline filter that needs to
be changed out?
Tuck Southworth



> From: fogbro1 at comcast.net> To: mgs at autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007
23:56:55 -0400> Subject: Re: [Mgs] Weber carb info> > List,> > Well, after
removing, dismantling, cleaning, reassembling, and reinstalling > the Weber
downdraft to my friend's '77 MGB, I can report no change in > symptoms
whatsoever. I found the carb to be relatively clean, with only a > skim of
rusty sediment in the float chamber.> > Idle is still rough and irregular,
rough enough to cause the oil pressure > gauge to fluctuate. Steady running
still experiences missing at any steady > engine speed, parked or driving. It
does appear to smooth out during > acceleration, perhaps when the secondary is
open.> > Present ignition system is the new, self containing Pertronix with
mating > coil. Plugs and wiring are new. Compression is great and even. Valves
are > set. Plugs are new.> > After years of sitting, enough to dry whatever
was in the tank, I added 5 > gallons of fresh fuel along with a carb cleaner.>
> How can such a simple instrument behave this badly?> > Thoughts?> > Do I
tell the guy to buy a new Weber? Is it the Weber? Do I spend a day > putting a
pair of SU's on this thing as a test?> > TIA,> > Ed Woods >
_______________________________________________> tsouthworth70 at hotmail.com> >
Edit your replies> > Mgs at autox.team.net>
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Oct 22 07:27:41 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:27:41 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Weber carb info
References: <151378.6961.qm@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002401c8145f$96bc4a70$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
	<BAY125-W2C7C3C10E030199FAB3ECBF9A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004f01c814b0$f125e010$0200a8c0@Three>

Any sediment should lie at the bottom, it is highly unlikely any would float 
on top of the fuel, and the pickup is between the bottom and the top of the 
fuel anyway.  A brownish stain, rather than visible grains, is normal in 
other than a complete brand-new system.  After such a long layup it could be 
anything, I'd start by checking fuel delivery, it should deliver *at least* 
one Imperial pint per minute at the carb, consistently and with minimal 
bubbles, and in practice an SUI should deliver closer to two pints.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>I think your statement, after years of sitting may be the clue.  Unless you
> flushed out the gas tank I'd bet there is some sediment in there thats 
> mixing
> with the fresh gas to cause a problem. 

From david_breneman at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 22 09:01:01 2007
From: david_breneman at yahoo.com (David Breneman)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:01:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mgs] Weber carb info
In-Reply-To: <004f01c814b0$f125e010$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <369218.64951.qm@web42110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Paul Hunt <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Any sediment should lie at the bottom, it is highly unlikely any
> would float 
> on top of the fuel, and the pickup is between the bottom and the
> top of the fuel anyway. 

I'm having some difficulty forming a picture of this.
Are you saying that the pickup floats in the tank?
Most fuel tanks I've seen extract fuel from the bottom.


David Breneman         david_breneman at yahoo.com
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Mon Oct 22 09:16:07 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Weber carb info
References: <151378.6961.qm@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com><002401c8145f$96bc4a70$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
	<BAY125-W2C7C3C10E030199FAB3ECBF9A0@phx.gbl>
	<004f01c814b0$f125e010$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <007301c814be$7879d050$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>

Fuel delivery is not the problem. I did, however, use a higher proportion of 
fuel system cleaner than recommended for the 5 gallons of petrol I put in 
the tank. Comments on too much cleaner???

Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Hunt" <paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>; <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Weber carb info


> Any sediment should lie at the bottom, it is highly unlikely any would 
> float on top of the fuel, and the pickup is between the bottom and the top 
> of the fuel anyway.  A brownish stain, rather than visible grains, is 
> normal in other than a complete brand-new system.  After such a long layup 
> it could be anything, I'd start by checking fuel delivery, it should 
> deliver *at least* one Imperial pint per minute at the carb, consistently 
> and with minimal bubbles, and in practice an SUI should deliver closer to 
> two pints.
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>I think your statement, after years of sitting may be the clue.  Unless 
>>you
>> flushed out the gas tank I'd bet there is some sediment in there thats 
>> mixing
>> with the fresh gas to cause a problem.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Oct 22 09:27:53 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:27:53 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Weber carb info
References: <369218.64951.qm@web42110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007d01c814c1$be22bb50$0200a8c0@Three>

No, it sits at a constant position, but it is *off* the bottom of the tank 
precisely so that it doesn't pick up the debris and water that collects 
there.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> I'm having some difficulty forming a picture of this.
> Are you saying that the pickup floats in the tank?

From matt.lists at trebelhorn.com  Mon Oct 22 09:42:46 2007
From: matt.lists at trebelhorn.com (Matt Trebelhorn)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:42:46 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Weber carb info
In-Reply-To: <002401c8145f$96bc4a70$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
References: <151378.6961.qm@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<002401c8145f$96bc4a70$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <814CFC9A-244D-4B00-9611-B30056E07B29@trebelhorn.com>

You say that the car runs on the acceleration circuit; you're having  
trouble on the idle and progression circuit.

Clean it again.  You don't need to worry about the accelerator/pump  
circuit.

Take out all the jets and shoot carb cleaner through all the internal  
passages; clean the jets individually.  Make sure the progression  
holes (in the carb throat, just at the edge of the throttle  
butterfly) are clear.

My bet would be a clogged jet or progression hole.

Matt


On 21 Oct, 2007, at 11:56 PM, Ed Woods wrote:

> List,
>
> Well, after removing, dismantling, cleaning, reassembling, and  
> reinstalling
> the Weber downdraft to my friend's '77 MGB, I can report no change in
> symptoms whatsoever. I found the carb to be relatively clean, with  
> only a
> skim of rusty sediment in the float chamber.
>
> Idle is still rough and irregular, rough enough to cause the oil  
> pressure
> gauge to fluctuate. Steady running still experiences missing at any  
> steady
> engine speed, parked or driving. It does appear to smooth out during
> acceleration, perhaps when the secondary is open.
>
> Present ignition system is the new, self containing Pertronix with  
> mating
> coil. Plugs and wiring are new. Compression is great and even.  
> Valves are
> set. Plugs are new.
>
> After years of sitting, enough to dry whatever was in the tank, I  
> added 5
> gallons of fresh fuel along with a carb cleaner.
>
> How can such a simple instrument behave this badly?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Do I tell the guy to buy a new Weber? Is it the Weber? Do I spend a  
> day
> putting a pair of SU's on this thing as a test?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ed Woods
> _______________________________________________
> matt.lists at trebelhorn.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
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From FlynShoot at aol.com  Mon Oct 22 12:11:55 2007
From: FlynShoot at aol.com (FlynShoot at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:11:55 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Weber carb info
Message-ID: <cfd.1df597ee.344e41eb@aol.com>

I had a similar sounding problem. It turned out that my vacuum advance was  
the source of the problem. The car would run great when accelerating and would  
miss at steady speed. I followed all of the things that you mentioned to no  
avail. I pulled the vacuum hose going to the the distributor, plugged  it and 
the problem was solved. I noticed know major performance problems with  not 
using the vacuum advance (running Webber DGV with Crane Electronic  Ignition).
 
This was about 9 years ago so my memory may be a bit foggy, but I think  this 
is how I resolved it.
 
YMMV.
 
Good luck.
 
DCS
 
 



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From Weberstevej at aol.com  Mon Oct 22 16:25:54 2007
From: Weberstevej at aol.com (Weberstevej at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:25:54 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Transmission
Message-ID: <bce.213531f2.344e7d72@aol.com>

Hi All,
 
I need to replace the transmission rear oil seal in the tailshaft  housing of 
my MGA and check that the drive shaft bushing is not excessively  worn.
 
My question: Is it possible to remove the tailshaft housing from the  
transmission without pulling the transmission from the car?
 
Thanks, 
Steve
 
 



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From jello at ida.net  Mon Oct 22 16:46:14 2007
From: jello at ida.net (Phil Bates)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:46:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mgs] MGA Transmission
In-Reply-To: <bce.213531f2.344e7d72@aol.com>
References: <bce.213531f2.344e7d72@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1120.209.180.80.45.1193093174.squirrel@webmail.ida.net>

Steve,

The answer is essentially no.  The shift rod and the "rear engine mount"
which is also the sole transmission mount are part of the tailshaft
housing.  Remove them, you've removed the support of your engine and
transmission.  While it might be possible to do, it will be a lot more
work than removing the entire engine and transmission and separating out
what you need to.

It is almost always easier to remove engine and trans together, and then
do what you need to and put it all back than it is to try to remove a
major part of either unit (engine, transmission, tailshaft, etc.).  Engine
out procedure is about 4 - 6 hours if you know what your're doing.  Back
in is about 2 more than out.

What you can do, though, is drain the trans oil, remove the propeller
shaft, and if at all possible, work on the seal in situ.  It will be hard
to get to, but not impossible, and would be shorter than removing the
entire engine and transmission.

Phil Bates
'58 MGA
'67 MGB
lots of other british and european stuff

> Hi All,
>
> I need to replace the transmission rear oil seal in the tailshaft  housing
> of
> my MGA and check that the drive shaft bushing is not excessively  worn.
>
> My question: Is it possible to remove the tailshaft housing from the
> transmission without pulling the transmission from the car?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve

From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Mon Oct 22 18:04:14 2007
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-fisher)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:04:14 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] spongy brakes
In-Reply-To: <008901c8147f$db3d9f30$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <002c01c813f0$42d8ea90$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3><00d001c813f3$23a7f690$0200a8c0@Three>
	<003f01c813fb$d84cccd0$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>
	<008901c8147f$db3d9f30$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <020701c81508$3f550fc0$bdff2f40$@com>

I used to have a real hard time bleeding my B brakes, even harder than the
series II Land-Rover. Then I get serious about setting the pedal free play.
Immediately got a little air out and the brakes have been great ever since.

--
Stephen West-Fisher
Coastal Data Systems
727.599.4271
http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:mgs-bounces+steve=coastaldatasystems.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Paul Hunt
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:43 AM
To: 1971-red-mgb; MG LIST
Subject: Re: [Mgs] spongy brakes

With two MGBs I find I have to bleed in two stages - normal filling/bleeding

with a continuous flow device such as the Gunson's EeziBleed, then I have to

get someone to press hard on the brake pedal while I briefly open and close 
each caliper nipple in turn, and this always blasts a bit more air out. 
Until I do that the brakes are spongy, and a long initial pedal, even though

I can get no more air out with the EeziBleed.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... I will bleed the brakes and see what type of results I'll get.
_______________________________________________
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Edit your replies

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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 02:29:54 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:29:54 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Weber carb info
References: <cfd.1df597ee.344e41eb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <011e01c81550$dc505bc0$0200a8c0@Three>

That implies there was a problem with the vacuum pipe or the vacuum capsule 
on the distributor, i.e. a leak.  In normal use there is no flow through the 
vacuum pipe other than the tiny amount needed to deflect the diaphragm.  If 
there is a leak it will pull through air constantly and weaken the mixture. 
Can't speak for a Weber but with SUs and Zenith (and I can't see the Weber 
being any different) vacuum advance gives sharper part throttle acceleration 
and improved cruising economy.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>I had a similar sounding problem. It turned out that my vacuum advance was
> the source of the problem. The car would run great when accelerating and 
> would
> miss at steady speed. I followed all of the things that you mentioned to 
> no
> avail. I pulled the vacuum hose going to the the distributor, plugged  it 
> and
> the problem was solved. 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 02:40:50 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:40:50 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] spongy brakes
References: <002c01c813f0$42d8ea90$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3><00d001c813f3$23a7f690$0200a8c0@Three><003f01c813fb$d84cccd0$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3><008901c8147f$db3d9f30$0200a8c0@Three>
	<020701c81508$3f550fc0$bdff2f40$@com>
Message-ID: <012201c81550$dce43750$0200a8c0@Three>

What do you mean by that?

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... Then I get serious about setting the pedal free play.

From ccrobins at ktc.com  Tue Oct 23 07:18:14 2007
From: ccrobins at ktc.com (Charles & Peggy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:18:14 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Weber carb info
In-Reply-To: <011e01c81550$dc505bc0$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <cfd.1df597ee.344e41eb@aol.com>
	<011e01c81550$dc505bc0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <471DF496.2000205@ktc.com>

Wasn't there a reference in the OP to the oil pressure gauge 
fluctuating?  This implies to me that there's a glitch in the primary 
electrical supply.  I'm also reminded that many carburation problems are 
in the ignition system.

   CR

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 08:30:14 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:30:14 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] Weber carb info
References: <cfd.1df597ee.344e41eb@aol.com>
	<011e01c81550$dc505bc0$0200a8c0@Three> <471DF496.2000205@ktc.com>
Message-ID: <020c01c81583$4ba87750$0200a8c0@Three>

Unlikely, as it is a damped gauge, especially as the revs are going up and 
down anyway.  An electrical glitch would cause the tach to flicker even 
worse, so I'd expect that to the main symptom after the misfiring.  Even 
apart from the revs going up and down oil gauges do fluctuate at particular 
pressures and temperatures, and they are all different.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Wasn't there a reference in the OP to the oil pressure gauge fluctuating? 
> This implies to me that there's a glitch in the primary electrical supply. 

From wellner.christian at navy.mil  Tue Oct 23 11:41:28 2007
From: wellner.christian at navy.mil (Christian, Skip)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:41:28 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Weber carb info
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1193076001.5328.mgs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7.1193076001.5328.mgs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <82F3BA24EC82EF49825F4D277341CE56BE02B4@naeapaxrez05.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil>

 Ed,

	If you haven't done it, change the fuel filter.  If you don't
have one, install one of those clear in-line filters.  This way you will
be able to see what's "trying" to get from the tank to the carb.
	Don't expect you'll need a new carb, but if you do, more
performance (and MUCH better throttle response) can be had by switching
to a DGS type Weber, but there will be a loss in mileage.

Good Luck, Skip

From doddk at mossmotors.com  Tue Oct 23 12:07:19 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:07:19 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] spongy brakes
In-Reply-To: <002c01c813f0$42d8ea90$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CC8BDB4@kb1.mossmotors.com>

Go through all the recommended procedures that have been listed first,
just in case.

The 68-74 brake master will feel spongy if there is an internal leakage
between the front and rear piston seals.

This one had me stumped as I would have expected internal leakage to
show up as movement of fluid from one side of the reservoir to the
other. I did have two cars show up with this symptom, and there was no
change in reservoir levels and no amount of bleeding cured the problem.
I did finally replace both master cylinders which solved the problem.



Kelvin Dodd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgs-bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net [mailto:mgs-
> bounces+doddk=mossmotors.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 1971-red-mgb
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:40 AM
> To: MG LIST
> Subject: [Mgs] spongy brakes
>
> Talking about brakes, recently I been noticing when ever I apply the
> brakes
> that I'm experiencing a soft/ spongy brake feel, I've checked my brake
> master
> cylinder (no leaks and full) I've checked my front brake pads ( a lot
of
> meat
> left on them) I'm running with the stainless steel brake hoses , Moss
182-
> 228,
> they only been on for about 2 years.
> any thoughts?

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 23 15:42:08 2007
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:42:08 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Lots of MG stuff stolen
Message-ID: <00a001c815bd$90ab3240$6401a8c0@Larry>

This poor guy from Detroit got lots of vintage MG stuff stolen.


http://tinyurl.com/yu468w

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 23 16:13:40 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:13:40 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Lots of MG stuff stolen
In-Reply-To: <00a001c815bd$90ab3240$6401a8c0@Larry>
Message-ID: <C343C024.1276E%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

Such unbelievable ignorance and barbarism... You'd think even a lowlife
crook would realize that vintage car parts are worth more as parts than as
scrap.

The blame for the recent surge in metal theft has to go squarely on the
scrap dealers. I mean, if someone shows up in a contractor's truck, with a
load of brand new copper pipe still in the manufacturer's bundles, it
doesn't take a detective to realize it is NOT scrap, but stolen from a job
site by an employee (not to mention when they show up with a bronze statue
of a Civil War general, or a load of grave markers). Moreover, the thieves
should realize that the prices they are getting from the scrap dealers are a
ripoff -- obviously, the scrappers are making a huge profit margin, or they
wouldn't be willing to act as fences. Bah.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires
(is bondo salvageable?)



on 10/23/07 2:42 PM, Larry Daniels at ladaniels at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> This poor guy from Detroit got lots of vintage MG stuff stolen.
> 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/yu468w

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 23 16:43:55 2007
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:43:55 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Lots of MG stuff stolen
References: <C343C024.1276E%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00cb01c815c6$31e0e7b0$6401a8c0@Larry>

Couldn't agree with you more, Max.

After they buy it from the thief, they turn around and resell it to somebody 
else who also turns a blind eye.  Lots of crooks involved in this 
business -- and nobody can claim they didn't know any better.


Larry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Lots of MG stuff stolen


Such unbelievable ignorance and barbarism... You'd think even a lowlife
crook would realize that vintage car parts are worth more as parts than as
scrap.

The blame for the recent surge in metal theft has to go squarely on the
scrap dealers. I mean, if someone shows up in a contractor's truck, with a
load of brand new copper pipe still in the manufacturer's bundles, it
doesn't take a detective to realize it is NOT scrap, but stolen from a job
site by an employee (not to mention when they show up with a bronze statue
of a Civil War general, or a load of grave markers). Moreover, the thieves
should realize that the prices they are getting from the scrap dealers are a
ripoff -- obviously, the scrappers are making a huge profit margin, or they
wouldn't be willing to act as fences. Bah.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires
(is bondo salvageable?)



on 10/23/07 2:42 PM, Larry Daniels at ladaniels at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> This poor guy from Detroit got lots of vintage MG stuff stolen.
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yu468w

From ladaniels at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 23 16:54:36 2007
From: ladaniels at sbcglobal.net (Larry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:54:36 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Lots of MG stuff stolen
References: <C343C024.1276E%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
	<00cb01c815c6$31e0e7b0$6401a8c0@Larry>
Message-ID: <00d401c815c7$b008efb0$6401a8c0@Larry>

BTW, Max, as an addendum, a good possibility as to why they wouldn't try to 
sell the vintage parts rather than scrap them may be that many of us who are 
passionate about our cars and our hobby and spread the word about this kind 
of thing would turn these dirtbags in in a heartbeat if we were offered 
these parts that we suspected were stolen from a guy like this.

How's that for a run-on sentence?


Larry



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Daniels" <ladaniels at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>; "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Lots of MG stuff stolen


Couldn't agree with you more, Max.

After they buy it from the thief, they turn around and resell it to somebody
else who also turns a blind eye.  Lots of crooks involved in this
business -- and nobody can claim they didn't know any better.


Larry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Heim" <max_heim at sbcglobal.net>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Lots of MG stuff stolen


Such unbelievable ignorance and barbarism... You'd think even a lowlife
crook would realize that vintage car parts are worth more as parts than as
scrap.

The blame for the recent surge in metal theft has to go squarely on the
scrap dealers. I mean, if someone shows up in a contractor's truck, with a
load of brand new copper pipe still in the manufacturer's bundles, it
doesn't take a detective to realize it is NOT scrap, but stolen from a job
site by an employee (not to mention when they show up with a bronze statue
of a Civil War general, or a load of grave markers). Moreover, the thieves
should realize that the prices they are getting from the scrap dealers are a
ripoff -- obviously, the scrappers are making a huge profit margin, or they
wouldn't be willing to act as fences. Bah.


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires
(is bondo salvageable?)



on 10/23/07 2:42 PM, Larry Daniels at ladaniels at sbcglobal.net wrote:

> This poor guy from Detroit got lots of vintage MG stuff stolen.
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yu468w
_______________________________________________
ladaniels at sbcglobal.net

Edit your replies

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From LBCarCoMail at aol.com  Wed Oct 24 06:47:25 2007
From: LBCarCoMail at aol.com (LBCarCoMail at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:47:25 EDT
Subject: [Mgs] Mallory Distributor
Message-ID: <d49.14445702.345098dd@aol.com>

Dave,


The Moss number on that one is 143-180 and it will fit most 4  cylinder 
Engines other than the TR7
 
Jeff



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From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Wed Oct 24 16:46:07 2007
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-fisher)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:46:07 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] spongy brakes
In-Reply-To: <012201c81550$dce43750$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <002c01c813f0$42d8ea90$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3><00d001c813f3$23a7f690$0200a8c0@Three><003f01c813fb$d84cccd0$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3><008901c8147f$db3d9f30$0200a8c0@Three>
	<020701c81508$3f550fc0$bdff2f40$@com>
	<012201c81550$dce43750$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <009201c8168f$aa9e3ad0$ffdab070$@com>

I mean reading the repair manual and properly setting the brake pedal free
play. This wasn't actually my idea, I was talking to an MG mechanic locally
about the trouble I was having bleeding the brakes. He reached in the car,
grabbed the brake pedal and pushed it. He said the free play was not correct
(as in none) and if I would set it I would probably get some more air out of
the system and not have any more problems. He was correct.

--
Stephen West-Fisher
Coastal Data Systems
727.599.4271
http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hunt [mailto:paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:41 AM
To: Stephen West-fisher; 'MG LIST'
Subject: Re: [Mgs] spongy brakes

What do you mean by that?

----- Original Message ----- 
> ... Then I get serious about setting the pedal free play.

From bobmgtd at insightbb.com  Wed Oct 24 18:59:47 2007
From: bobmgtd at insightbb.com (Bob Donahue)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:59:47 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] tonights adventure in the 'B
References: <048DD615-8A55-4A8C-BCA1-6D9D99D73771@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c816a2$568cf310$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>

Same thing happened to me. The wire dress under the distributor cap is 
critical! I think the vacuum advance tightens the wires around the shaft. 
You must leave enough slack so that they don't rub. I also have a pertronix 
in the TD which doesn't have vacuum advance. In that car, the wires stay 
where you put them.

Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s)
Email - bobmgtd at insightbb.com
Cars:       52 MGTD - #17639
               71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361
Member:  NEMGTR #11470
               NAMGBR # 7-3336
               Hoosier MGB Club
               Olde Octagons of Indiana

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Root" <ptrmgb at gmail.com>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>
Cc: "Rich Root" <rich at rootmep.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: [Mgs] tonights adventure in the 'B


> My wife and older son are out of town this weekend, so my 10 year old
> and I are home bach'ing it.
>
> After getting the alternator in and going, we were itching to get the
> car out and see that the gremlins
> were gone. I was still considering taking the car to Kansas for the
> Runoffs at the end of the week.
>
> After dinner, we were driving to the hardware store to get a couple
> things to fix a couple of preschool
> toys that the kids managed to break.
>
> The car lurched a few times. Got to the hardware store, but it was
> closed. We were going to get on the highway
> head to Menards. Sam says that Home Depot is closer. Ok fine, take
> the frontage road instead, the car dies at
> a stop light. I have Sam steer around the left turn and get off the
> road. He runs it up on the curb, but otherwise
> did a good job.
>
> I check the wires on the starter that had come loose before, they
> were fine. Coil wires looked fine. Check
> the fuel pump, as I didn't hear clicking. The carbs were full, pump
> was fine.
>
> I decide the pop the dizzy cap, to see if it was ok. Then I saw it.
> The wires for the pertronix were rubbing
> against the shaft, and the red one had broken. Sam found the
> electrical tape, I stripped the wire, and taped
> it up. Rerouted it so it doesn't go around the shaft, close up the
> dizzy, and start the car.
>
> Drove home.
>
> A nice guy in a Jeep stopped to see if he could help, but I had it
> under control.
>
> I didn't have any tools. They were all sitting on my workbench in the
> garage, I did everything with a
> keychain leatherman.
>
> I guess I won't be taking it to Kansas, I don't like the idea of a
> piece of electrical tape in the dizzy, I
> suppose I could put some shrink wrap on it.
>
> I'm also considering replacing it. Maybe an MDS?   I need to check
> the shaft of the dizzy to see
> if it's wobbly.
>
>
> Paul Root
> ptrmgb at gmail.com
> 77 MGB
> 99 OBS
> _______________________________________________
> bobmgtd at insightbb.com
>
> Edit your replies
>
> Mgs at autox.team.net
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From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Oct 25 02:23:30 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:23:30 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] spongy brakes
References: <002c01c813f0$42d8ea90$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3><00d001c813f3$23a7f690$0200a8c0@Three><003f01c813fb$d84cccd0$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3><008901c8147f$db3d9f30$0200a8c0@Three><020701c81508$3f550fc0$bdff2f40$@com><012201c81550$dce43750$0200a8c0@Three>
	<009201c8168f$aa9e3ad0$ffdab070$@com>
Message-ID: <016601c816e2$021eebe0$0200a8c0@Three>

In case any one is still wondering what on earth you are talking about I 
presume you mean setting the free-play of the brake-light switch on those 
cars with a mechanical switch either on the pedal box or pedal bracket 
inside the cockpit.  That is the only free-play you can set.  If the switch 
is screwed too far in it stops the pedal coming back far enough, and the 
piston doesn't clear the port from the reservoir.  The usual symptom of that 
is the brakes binding as they heat up and the fluid expands.  If the switch 
isn't screwed in far enough the brake lights stay on all the time.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
>I mean reading the repair manual and properly setting the brake pedal free
> play. 

From paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Oct 25 02:36:00 2007
From: paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk (Paul Hunt)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:36:00 +0100
Subject: [Mgs] tonights adventure in the 'B
References: <048DD615-8A55-4A8C-BCA1-6D9D99D73771@gmail.com>
	<001d01c816a2$568cf310$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr>
Message-ID: <01ae01c816e4$1c22dae0$0200a8c0@Three>

If they are tight there is something wrong.  But even with the requisite 
slack they are still being bent back and fore with vacuum advance and will 
eventually fracture.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Same thing happened to me. The wire dress under the distributor cap is
> critical! I think the vacuum advance tightens the wires around the shaft.
> You must leave enough slack so that they don't rub. 

From steve at coastaldatasystems.com  Fri Oct 26 16:11:38 2007
From: steve at coastaldatasystems.com (Stephen West-fisher)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:11:38 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] spongy brakes
In-Reply-To: <016601c816e2$021eebe0$0200a8c0@Three>
References: <002c01c813f0$42d8ea90$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3><00d001c813f3$23a7f690$0200a8c0@Three><003f01c813fb$d84cccd0$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3><008901c8147f$db3d9f30$0200a8c0@Three><020701c81508$3f550fc0$bdff2f40$@com><012201c81550$dce43750$0200a8c0@Three>
	<009201c8168f$aa9e3ad0$ffdab070$@com>
	<016601c816e2$021eebe0$0200a8c0@Three>
Message-ID: <00ee01c8181d$2e0d4940$8a27dbc0$@com>

Exactly, the pedal free play adjustment described in the repair manual
section Ma.1. Since I believe the original query was about a 1970 or newer
NA market vehicle it would have the tandem master cylinder. Seems pretty
simple to understand to me :-)

--
Stephen West-Fisher
Coastal Data Systems
727.599.4271
http://www.coastaldatasystems.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hunt [mailto:paul.hunt1 at blueyonder.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:24 AM
To: Stephen West-fisher; 'MG LIST'
Subject: Re: [Mgs] spongy brakes

In case any one is still wondering what on earth you are talking about I 
presume you mean setting the free-play of the brake-light switch on those 
cars with a mechanical switch either on the pedal box or pedal bracket 
inside the cockpit 

From WJHS1960 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 28 16:51:10 2007
From: WJHS1960 at comcast.net (WJHS1960)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:51:10 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] For sale
References: <002c01c813f0$42d8ea90$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3><00d001c813f3$23a7f690$0200a8c0@Three><003f01c813fb$d84cccd0$3537a046@ownerlziq1i9t3><008901c8147f$db3d9f30$0200a8c0@Three>
	<020701c81508$3f550fc0$bdff2f40$@com>
Message-ID: <047701c819bd$6b196980$6601a8c0@actualshop>

'72 RWA Midget For Sale in Cars For Sale at www.justbrits.com !!

From shop at justbrits.com  Sun Oct 28 17:44:38 2007
From: shop at justbrits.com (shop at justbrits.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:44:38 -0600
Subject: [Mgs] ??
Message-ID: <061a01c819c4$e2efcd30$6601a8c0@actualshop>

Sorry folks, Frank K (Swamprat), please drop me a note!!

Ed

From frankk at intap.net  Mon Oct 29 04:07:19 2007
From: frankk at intap.net (Frank)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:07:19 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] MGA  roadster project for sale
References: <c96.1ba1905a.345674c7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c81a1b$df965670$2942040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>

Where is the car located?
  Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:27 PM
  Subject: Fwd: MGA roadster project for sale


  Anyone want to give a new home to this MGA?  There are lots of part that go
with it...

  Tom Howard

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 29 06:40:16 2007
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:40:16 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] MGA  roadster project for sale
References: <c96.1ba1905a.345674c7@aol.com>
	<004b01c81a1b$df965670$2942040a@RIC.RICOL.EDU>
Message-ID: <002001c81a31$3e65fc90$800101df@Garage.local>

sorry - i must have missed this one.

what car/where?

thanks, and my apologies.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank" <frankk at intap.net>
To: "MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>; <MGATom at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Mgs] MGA roadster project for sale


> Where is the car located?
>  Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:27 PM
>  Subject: Fwd: MGA roadster project for sale
>
>
>  Anyone want to give a new home to this MGA?  There are lots of part that 
> go
> with it...
>
>  Tom Howard

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Mon Oct 29 07:37:24 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:37:24 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Energy Suspension Poly Bushings; Upper Trunnion
References: <000a01c80959$52501b20$4beeab46@rich>
	<cab4b95c0710072021r483a94e5p4933a7a5cab24d01@mail.gmail.com>
	<004f01c809a2$3bfbf8a0$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>
	<470A3FB4.5000408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c81a39$390cb010$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>

List,

Here's an update on the MGB Upper Trunnion Poly Bushings from Energy 
Suspension.

John Swauger of TRF talked directly to the manufacturer who stated that they 
are intended to be installed without reuse of the original steel sleeve.

That's the way I put 'em in last week and they seem to be just fine.

Ed Woods 

From autoinfo at comcast.net  Mon Oct 29 13:53:32 2007
From: autoinfo at comcast.net (autoinfo at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:53:32 +0000
Subject: [Mgs] 1974 MGB MG BGT - Ready for restoration
Message-ID: <102920072053.14771.4726484B000CCAC1000039B3221357533301000207019B9A0E@comcast.net>

1974 MGB MG BGT - Ready for restoration
Located in Denver, CO metro area
 
I bought everything! Now a job change leaves me with no time. 1974 is the last of the chrome bumper and has a nice dash. Will make an AWSOME CAR! 
 
New Mexico Car 
 
TONS of New Parts....... 
 
Springs (front and rear) 
Shocks (all 4) ($320) 
Front swivel axles ($500 Moss) 
Poly bushings, red (complete set for car) 
Front bearings 
MG BV8 brake calipers 
MG BV8 rotors (thicker rotor) 
MG BV8 Green Stuff brake pads 
Brake master cylinder 
Stainless brake hoses 
Rear axle differential kit 
 
All engine machine work done, ready to assemble, all parts balanced 
Aluminum Cross-flow head ($1,799 Moss) 
1 > SU carbs (2) ($683 Moss) 
Pistons, rings 
Bearings 
New cam, not reground 
Special lifters 
Payten gaskets 
Water pump 
Clutch 
High torque starter ($285 Moss) 
Full Peco exhaust system, including header ($567 Moss) 
MG BV8 radiator 
 
5-speed T-9 transmission kit (includes spare T-9 from a Merkur) ($3,099 Moss) 
 
Front seat upholstery ($400 Moss) 
Seat Diaphragms 
Carpet, molded ($430 Moss) 
Dash ($260 Moss) 
Steering wheel adapter 
 
Taillights 
Grille ($175 Moss) 
Windshield 
Hood 
15 Minilite wheels ($800 Moss) 
Lug nuts 
 
Loads of Extra parts: complete engine, 4-speed transmission, doors, glass, rear axle, front cross members, bumpers, gauges, seats, +++++ 
 
Would like to sell complete!

Mike
autoinfo at comcast.net

From barneymg at mgaguru.com  Tue Oct 30 06:49:31 2007
From: barneymg at mgaguru.com (Barney Gaylord)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:49:31 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] The graphite body MGA is for sale
Message-ID: <20071030144836.94B7E187A4A@autox.team.net>

The Vantage Motorsports graphite body MGA is up for sale on eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110185956859

No personal interest, just a curiosity for me.  I have a few magazine 
articles about it posted here: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/variants/vt106h.htm

Barney Gaylord
1958 MGA with an attitude
http://MGAguru.com

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Tue Oct 30 20:43:19 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:43:19 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] SOS '07
Message-ID: <001601c81b70$2fae7a70$8f0b6f50$@com>

One project for SOS '07 that we might consider is the disassembly of a very
interesting race car I picked up last winter. It's a Bugeye with an
extensive West Coast history. I have log books showing 119 races from the
early 70's to the 90's. It was originally raced by Mike Mayon and
motorsports hall of fame member Elliott Forbes Robinson. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Forbes-Robinson. The next owner was
Dwayne Anderson, who worked with Carroll Shelby during the Can Am years.

 

This is a historically significant car, and will be somewhat of an
automotive archeological dig.

 

WST

 

 

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



 <mailto:wsthompson at thicko.com> wsthompson at thicko.com

 <http://www.thicko.com/> www.thicko.com

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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Wed Oct 31 05:41:31 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:41:31 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] SOS '07 EFR
Message-ID: <003201c81bbb$5f1539c0$1d3fad40$@com>

Hey y'all,

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/11372/sport-renaissance-man.html

 

Nice article on Elliott Forbes Robinson. I know he raced 2 Sprites early.
The first is mentioned as having belonged to his father. That car was
autocrossed by Elliott and his sisters. The car pictured in this article is
the 2nd, and was owned/prepared by EFR and Mike Mayon. That is the car I
own. Unfortunately the trick wheels were traded off years ago. I'd love to
find a set of those. if any of you know where I might find a set.

 

SOS '07 will be the Fri & Sat. following Thanksgiving. Nov. 23 & 24. The
Thicko International World Headquarters are located at the Dream Farm. a 10
acre farm between Fond du Lac & Oshkosh Wisconsin.  We're smack dab in the
middle of dairy farm country. The Thicko shop (yes, it is also known as the
"homo club" ) is well lit, and well heated, should the weather be crap, as
it often is that time of year, we'll be comfortable. We have plenty of
parking.

 

 

WST

 

 

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



 <mailto:wsthompson at thicko.com> wsthompson at thicko.com

 <http://www.thicko.com/> www.thicko.com

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From sammler at bellsouth.net  Wed Oct 31 07:17:14 2007
From: sammler at bellsouth.net (Pat Harris - "sammler")
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:17:14 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] Minilite from minilite.co.uk vs Minilite replica vs Panasport
 for MGA 1600 MKII
Message-ID: <47288E6A.40202@bellsouth.net>

First - if I could find new steel wheels I'd probably go for them ;-)

If someone has advice or warnings about purchasing the Minilite replica 
wheel please let me know.

Minilite in England <http://minilite.co.uk/>responded with a price quote 
very quickly. $210 per wheel, including lug nuts and hubcap for $210 
plus the freight charge of approximately $50 per wheel.  (The freight 
charge was in two parts -  $40 for the overseas shipping to their 
warehouse in the States and then an $18 shipping fee from there to my 
address in SC.)  Total per wheel - *$258.00*

All prices below were calculated based on the catalog prices and have 
been divided by 4 to obtain a per wheel price.

My favorite seller has the Minilite replica wheel, 4 lug nuts and the 
hubcap for *$193.90* and with the order for all the wheels there would 
be free shipping.  I haven't called them yet to find out if the lug nuts 
are chromed and the hubcap has the MG logo.

Panasport, also from my favorite seller, is *$249.00* per wheel and with 
the order for all the wheels there would be free shipping.  I do 
understand that the Panasport would use a wider tire but I don't know 
that I need/want that.

One of the other major purveyors of nice things for MGs has the Minilite 
replica wheel, 4 chrome lug nuts and the MG logo center cap for $202.22 
plus $9.07 = *$211.29*.  (I took their price for a complete set and 
divide the charges by 4 to arrive a a per wheel price.)

Thanks,
Pat

From dwoerpel at wi.net  Wed Oct 31 08:43:49 2007
From: dwoerpel at wi.net (David Woerpel)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:43:49 -0500
Subject: [Mgs] [Spridgets] SOS '07
In-Reply-To: <001601c81b70$2fae7a70$8f0b6f50$@com>
References: <001601c81b70$2fae7a70$8f0b6f50$@com>
Message-ID: <4728A2B5.2050901@wi.net>

Wm. Severin Thompson wrote:
> One project for SOS '07 that we might consider is the disassembly of a very
> interesting race car I picked up last winter. It's a Bugeye with an
> extensive West Coast history. I have log books showing 119 races from the
> early 70's to the 90's. It was originally raced by Mike Mayon and
> motorsports hall of fame member Elliott Forbes Robinson. See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Forbes-Robinson. The next owner was
> Dwayne Anderson, who worked with Carroll Shelby during the Can Am years.
> .........
> WST
>   
  HAPPY BIRTHDAY  E.F.R.!!!

Count me in W_m_. !

Dave
59 :{)
59 MGA 1500
05 MCS
Burlington WI

From max_heim at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 31 13:36:43 2007
From: max_heim at sbcglobal.net (Max Heim)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:36:43 -0700
Subject: [Mgs] Snappy caps
Message-ID: <C34E356B.12A5F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>

I was at the Target store recently (I like to pronounce it "tar-ZHAY"), and
was surprised to find a wide selection of cloth caps, suitable for British
Motoring. I picked out a jaunty number in what I would describe as "faded
dark olive".

No financial interest, yada yada...


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the primer red one with chrome wires

From barrie at look.ca  Wed Oct 31 20:57:16 2007
From: barrie at look.ca (Barrie Robinson)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:57:16 -0400
Subject: [Mgs] Snappy caps
In-Reply-To: <C34E356B.12A5F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
References: <C34E356B.12A5F%max_heim@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <E1InRin-00062j-Fl@delta.look.ca>

My good heavens - Are these cheap stores getting into style?


At 04:36 PM 10/31/2007, Max Heim wrote:
>I was at the Target store recently (I like to pronounce it "tar-ZHAY"), and
>was surprised to find a wide selection of cloth caps, suitable for British
>Motoring. I picked out a jaunty number in what I would describe as "faded
>dark olive".
>
>No financial interest, yada yada...
>
>
>--
>
>Max Heim
>'66 MGB GHN3L76149
>If you're near Mountain View, CA,
>it's the primer red one with chrome wires
>_______________________________________________
>barrie at look.ca
>
>Edit your replies
>
>Mgs at autox.team.net
>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs

Regards
Barrie

Barrie Robinson
(705) 721-9060
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/BarrieRobinson.htm