From simbafish at comcast.net Sat Mar 3 07:59:14 2012 From: simbafish at comcast.net (Stuart Keen) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 09:59:14 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] TD Starter problem Message-ID: I have always had an annoying starter problem with my TD (purchased 12 years ago), but now it is getting worse. Now, up to fifty percent of the time, the starter pinion gear does not properly engage the flywheel and in the attempt, I hear either a loud "clunking" or a whirling of the starter motor. At first I thought there might be an electrical problem, that the starter motor was not throwing outward the pinion gear far enough, that there was insufficient current (or dirt on the Bendix). So, battery was replaced yesterday (found one bad cell), cables were replaced, starter switch was replaced last week. Problem still existed. A new starter was also installed. No change. Nothing else in the electrical circuit to consider. This morning, while starting the TD by manually pushing in the plunger of the starter switch, I came to the conclusion it is a mechanical problem, not electrical, but I don't know how to fix. When the engine starts OK, the pinion gear engages the flywheel without a sound. When there is a problem, you can definitely hear a mismatch of gears; i.e. the clunking noise. So where is the adjustment for starter position? In addition to a new starter, the XPAG engine was recently professionally rebuilt by Glenn9s MG Repair in Tampa. The flywheel was inspected and there was no noticeable wear nor were there any teeth missing. The starter is physically mounted with two bolts. I see no means of any adjustment. I'm curious if anyone else has had this problem and what the fix might be. Thanks for your help. Stu Keen 1951 MG TD MKII From lawrie at britcars.com Sat Mar 3 12:07:55 2012 From: lawrie at britcars.com (Lawrie) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 11:07:55 -0800 Subject: [Mg-t] TD Starter problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F526C0B.8010308@britcars.com> Stu, It sounds to me as though your flywheel does have some damaged teeth on the ring gear - there's no adjustment for the starter and if the switch and the starter are working properly, there's not much else to go wrong. One proof for this would be, when the starter is refusing to engage properly, put the car in gear and move the car enough to turn the engine about a quarter turn, then try the starter again (after taking it out of gear, of course!). If it works this time, you know it's the ring gear that's at fault. If it doesn't work, then I'm baffled, too! Lawrie On 3/3/2012 6:59 AM, Stuart Keen wrote: > I have always had an annoying starter problem with my TD (purchased 12 years > ago), but now it is getting worse. Now, up to fifty percent of the time, the > starter pinion gear does not properly engage the flywheel and in the > attempt, I hear either a loud "clunking" or a whirling of the starter motor. > At first I thought there might be an electrical problem, that the starter > motor was not throwing outward the pinion gear far enough, that there was > insufficient current (or dirt on the Bendix). So, battery was replaced > yesterday (found one bad cell), cables were replaced, starter switch was > replaced last week. Problem still existed. A new starter was also installed. > No change. Nothing else in the electrical circuit to consider. > > This morning, while starting the TD by manually pushing in the plunger of > the starter switch, I came to the conclusion it is a mechanical problem, not > electrical, but I don't know how to fix. When the engine starts OK, the > pinion gear engages the flywheel without a sound. When there is a problem, > you can definitely hear a mismatch of gears; i.e. the clunking noise. > > So where is the adjustment for starter position? In addition to a new > starter, the XPAG engine was recently professionally rebuilt by Glenn9s MG > Repair in Tampa. The flywheel was inspected and there was no noticeable wear > nor were there any teeth missing. > > The starter is physically mounted with two bolts. I see no means of any > adjustment. > > I'm curious if anyone else has had this problem and what the fix might be. > Thanks for your help. > > Stu Keen > 1951 MG TD MKII > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/lawrie at britcars.com From jhermance at earthfax.com Sat Mar 3 14:14:02 2012 From: jhermance at earthfax.com (Jonathan Hermance) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 14:14:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mg-t] TD Starter problem In-Reply-To: <4F526C0B.8010308@britcars.com> Message-ID: Stu, How about a greasy ground between the new starter motor and the bell housing or through the grounding cable on the opposite side of the bell housing to the frame? Sometimes you get good engagement and cranking power, other times a whir instead of engagement, or engagement with a clunk and insufficient power to crank the engine. Jon TCTDTF SLC UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrie" To: mg-t at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:07:55 AM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Starter problem Stu, It sounds to me as though your flywheel does have some damaged teeth on the ring gear - there's no adjustment for the starter and if the switch and the starter are working properly, there's not much else to go wrong. One proof for this would be, when the starter is refusing to engage properly, put the car in gear and move the car enough to turn the engine about a quarter turn, then try the starter again (after taking it out of gear, of course!). If it works this time, you know it's the ring gear that's at fault. If it doesn't work, then I'm baffled, too! Lawrie On 3/3/2012 6:59 AM, Stuart Keen wrote: > I have always had an annoying starter problem with my TD (purchased 12 years > ago), but now it is getting worse. Now, up to fifty percent of the time, the > starter pinion gear does not properly engage the flywheel and in the > attempt, I hear either a loud "clunking" or a whirling of the starter motor. > At first I thought there might be an electrical problem, that the starter > motor was not throwing outward the pinion gear far enough, that there was > insufficient current (or dirt on the Bendix). So, battery was replaced > yesterday (found one bad cell), cables were replaced, starter switch was > replaced last week. Problem still existed. A new starter was also installed. > No change. Nothing else in the electrical circuit to consider. > > This morning, while starting the TD by manually pushing in the plunger of > the starter switch, I came to the conclusion it is a mechanical problem, not > electrical, but I don't know how to fix. When the engine starts OK, the > pinion gear engages the flywheel without a sound. When there is a problem, > you can definitely hear a mismatch of gears; i.e. the clunking noise. > > So where is the adjustment for starter position? In addition to a new > starter, the XPAG engine was recently professionally rebuilt by Glenn9s MG > Repair in Tampa. The flywheel was inspected and there was no noticeable wear > nor were there any teeth missing. > > The starter is physically mounted with two bolts. I see no means of any > adjustment. > > I'm curious if anyone else has had this problem and what the fix might be. > Thanks for your help. > > Stu Keen > 1951 MG TD MKII > ______________________________________________ From simbafish at comcast.net Sat Mar 3 14:42:58 2012 From: simbafish at comcast.net (Stuart Keen) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] TD Starter problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for your reply. I too thought that perhaps there might not be a good connection and therefore sometimes not enough amperage to throw forward the starter gear, engage and turn the ring gear/flywheel. Tomorrow I will check the few connections not yet inspected. I already checked and physically cleaned the following without any change: Battery (new) terminals and connectors Terminals and connectors at the starter switch (new) Positive terminal and connector at the starter motor The grounding strap (Moss 332-070 cable to ground, frame to gearbox) was replaced by Glenn's MG Repair The two places not inspected are: 1. Battery to ground connection - side of battery box (TD set up for Negative ground) - cleaned previously (some months ago) but will do again 2. Starter ground - two bolts that hold the motor to the engine. Can you think of any others I should be checking? Stu Keen 1951MG TD MkII From simbafish at comcast.net Sun Mar 4 13:05:30 2012 From: simbafish at comcast.net (Stuart Keen) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 15:05:30 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] TD Starter problem In-Reply-To: <4F526C0B.8010308@britcars.com> Message-ID: I cleaned ALL cable contacts. They are all SHINY. No change to the intermittent starter problem. I took off the starter. The teeth look hardly used. I had a friend crank over the engine (I took out the plugs to make it easier) as I looked at the ring gear. I painted a white line so I would know where I started. Went around the ring gear twice, first looking at the side of the teeth, and then looking down into the teeth. Like Glenn MG Repair said, ring gear is good. I find NO WEAR. I will now inspect the brushes of the NEW starter. If that does not give answers, then I will put it all back together and temporarily run a ground cable from the starter to the battery just in case somewhere along the ground line, I have a problem. This should eliminate any cable problem. Anything else? I think I have covered everything, but open to suggestions. Stu On 3/3/12 2:07 PM, "Lawrie" wrote: > Stu, > > It sounds to me as though your flywheel does have some damaged teeth on > the ring gear - there's no adjustment for the starter and if the switch > and the starter are working properly, there's not much else to go wrong. > > One proof for this would be, when the starter is refusing to engage > properly, put the car in gear and move the car enough to turn the engine > about a quarter turn, then try the starter again (after taking it out of > gear, of course!). If it works this time, you know it's the ring gear > that's at fault. If it doesn't work, then I'm baffled, too! > > Lawrie > > On 3/3/2012 6:59 AM, Stuart Keen wrote: >> I have always had an annoying starter problem with my TD (purchased 12 years >> ago), but now it is getting worse. Now, up to fifty percent of the time, the >> starter pinion gear does not properly engage the flywheel and in the >> attempt, I hear either a loud "clunking" or a whirling of the starter motor. >> At first I thought there might be an electrical problem, that the starter >> motor was not throwing outward the pinion gear far enough, that there was >> insufficient current (or dirt on the Bendix). So, battery was replaced >> yesterday (found one bad cell), cables were replaced, starter switch was >> replaced last week. Problem still existed. A new starter was also installed. >> No change. Nothing else in the electrical circuit to consider. >> >> This morning, while starting the TD by manually pushing in the plunger of >> the starter switch, I came to the conclusion it is a mechanical problem, not >> electrical, but I don't know how to fix. When the engine starts OK, the >> pinion gear engages the flywheel without a sound. When there is a problem, >> you can definitely hear a mismatch of gears; i.e. the clunking noise. >> >> So where is the adjustment for starter position? In addition to a new >> starter, the XPAG engine was recently professionally rebuilt by Glenn9s MG >> Repair in Tampa. The flywheel was inspected and there was no noticeable wear >> nor were there any teeth missing. >> >> The starter is physically mounted with two bolts. I see no means of any >> adjustment. >> >> I'm curious if anyone else has had this problem and what the fix might be. >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Stu Keen >> 1951 MG TD MKII >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/lawrie at britcars.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/simbafish at comcast.net From jhermance at earthfax.com Sun Mar 4 14:30:41 2012 From: jhermance at earthfax.com (Jonathan Hermance) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 14:30:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mg-t] TD Starter problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6c1781b9-631c-4541-ad34-13ad732b2a0f@zms04.zcs> Stu, If you have not yet done so, try bypassing the battery to the 145-800 starter switch and switch to starter cables with a test cable or two. Either or both cables could be corroded or broken inside the insulation or end connectors causing intermittsnt contact similar to a bad ground. Jon TCTDTF SLC UT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Keen" To: "Lawrie" , "MG" Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:05:30 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Starter problem I cleaned ALL cable contacts. They are all SHINY. No change to the intermittent starter problem. I took off the starter. The teeth look hardly used. I had a friend crank over the engine (I took out the plugs to make it easier) as I looked at the ring gear. I painted a white line so I would know where I started. Went around the ring gear twice, first looking at the side of the teeth, and then looking down into the teeth. Like Glenn MG Repair said, ring gear is good. I find NO WEAR. I will now inspect the brushes of the NEW starter. If that does not give answers, then I will put it all back together and temporarily run a ground cable from the starter to the battery just in case somewhere along the ground line, I have a problem. This should eliminate any cable problem. Anything else? I think I have covered everything, but open to suggestions. Stu On 3/3/12 2:07 PM, "Lawrie" wrote: > Stu, > > It sounds to me as though your flywheel does have some damaged teeth on > the ring gear - there's no adjustment for the starter and if the switch > and the starter are working properly, there's not much else to go wrong. > > One proof for this would be, when the starter is refusing to engage > properly, put the car in gear and move the car enough to turn the engine > about a quarter turn, then try the starter again (after taking it out of > gear, of course!). If it works this time, you know it's the ring gear > that's at fault. If it doesn't work, then I'm baffled, too! > > Lawrie > > On 3/3/2012 6:59 AM, Stuart Keen wrote: >> I have always had an annoying starter problem with my TD (purchased 12 years >> ago), but now it is getting worse. Now, up to fifty percent of the time, the >> starter pinion gear does not properly engage the flywheel and in the >> attempt, I hear either a loud "clunking" or a whirling of the starter motor. >> At first I thought there might be an electrical problem, that the starter >> motor was not throwing outward the pinion gear far enough, that there was >> insufficient current (or dirt on the Bendix). So, battery was replaced >> yesterday (found one bad cell), cables were replaced, starter switch was >> replaced last week. Problem still existed. A new starter was also installed. >> No change. Nothing else in the electrical circuit to consider. >> >> This morning, while starting the TD by manually pushing in the plunger of >> the starter switch, I came to the conclusion it is a mechanical problem, not >> electrical, but I don't know how to fix. When the engine starts OK, the >> pinion gear engages the flywheel without a sound. When there is a problem, >> you can definitely hear a mismatch of gears; i.e. the clunking noise. >> >> So where is the adjustment for starter position? In addition to a new >> starter, the XPAG engine was recently professionally rebuilt by Glenn9s MG >> Repair in Tampa. The flywheel was inspected and there was no noticeable wear >> nor were there any teeth missing. >> >> The starter is physically mounted with two bolts. I see no means of any >> adjustment. >> >> I'm curious if anyone else has had this problem and what the fix might be. >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Stu Keen >> 1951 MG TD MKII >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Mg-t at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/lawrie at britcars.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/simbafish at comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/jhermance at earthfax.com From mgbob at juno.com Mon Mar 5 08:09:51 2012 From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:09:51 GMT Subject: [Mg-t] TD Starter problem Message-ID: <20120305.100951.24637.9@webmail-beta02.vgs.untd.com> Hi Stu, How are the brushes? I can't imagine that they are worn out, but they could be sticking in their guides. With the starter on the workbench, slide back the cover band, lift the springs and feel how the brushes slide in the guides. You can use a soft brush to brush & blow out any carbon in the starter. It's nasty black powder--wear gloves if you have them. Also undo and re-do the terminal nuts & washers. Wire brush the area around the bolts that fasten starter to engine, and the bolts too, then put on anti-seize before re-installation. With the starter on the bench, you could put a drop of warm oil onto the bearing bush also, With it on the bench, you can twist the pinion and get a better idea of its operation than you could from my description, making sure that there are no rust spots or buggers to impede the pinion's movement. A touch of graphite might be in order. It's a beautiful day here, as it should be, since it's Monday. Temp is cold, though, 32 at the moment, and forecast to drop to 15 tonight with wind. I am hoping that this is the last bitter night of the season.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Stuart Keen To: Lawrie , MG Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD Starter problem Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 15:05:30 -0500 I cleaned ALL cable contacts. They are all SHINY. No change to the intermittent starter problem. I took off the starter. The teeth look hardly used. I had a friend crank over the engine (I took out the plugs to make it easier) as I looked at the ring gear. I painted a white line so I would know where I started. Went around the ring gear twice, first looking at the side of the teeth, and then looking down into the teeth. Like Glenn MG Repair said, ring gear is good. I find NO WEAR. I will now inspect the brushes of the NEW starter. If that does not give answers, then I will put it all back together and temporarily run a ground cable from the starter to the battery just in case somewhere along the ground line, I have a problem. This should eliminate any cable problem. Anything else? I think I have covered everything, but open to suggestions. Stuno.com From budkrueger at comcast.net Mon Mar 5 08:35:26 2012 From: budkrueger at comcast.net (Bud Krueger) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:35:26 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] TD Starter problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F54DD3E.8000909@comcast.net> Stu, I ran into a very similar condition when I first tried to fire up 'the53' (http://www.ttalk.info/The53.htm). The starter hadn't been asked to do its thing since 1972. I ended up taking the started out and cleaning/lubricating the Bendix. Hasn't missed a beat since then. Bud Stuart Keen wrote: > I have always had an annoying starter problem with my TD (purchased 12 years > ago), but now it is getting worse. Now, up to fifty percent of the time, the > starter pinion gear does not properly engage the flywheel and in the > attempt, I hear either a loud "clunking" or a whirling of the starter motor. > At first I thought there might be an electrical problem, that the starter > motor was not throwing outward the pinion gear far enough, that there was > insufficient current (or dirt on the Bendix). So, battery was replaced > yesterday (found one bad cell), cables were replaced, starter switch was > replaced last week. Problem still existed. A new starter was also installed. > No change. Nothing else in the electrical circuit to consider. > > This morning, while starting the TD by manually pushing in the plunger of > the starter switch, I came to the conclusion it is a mechanical problem, not > electrical, but I don't know how to fix. When the engine starts OK, the > pinion gear engages the flywheel without a sound. When there is a problem, > you can definitely hear a mismatch of gears; i.e. the clunking noise. > > So where is the adjustment for starter position? In addition to a new > starter, the XPAG engine was recently professionally rebuilt by Glenn9s MG > Repair in Tampa. The flywheel was inspected and there was no noticeable wear > nor were there any teeth missing. > > The starter is physically mounted with two bolts. I see no means of any > adjustment. > > I'm curious if anyone else has had this problem and what the fix might be. > Thanks for your help. > > Stu Keen > 1951 MG TD MKII > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/budkrueger at comcast.net From simbafish at comcast.net Sat Mar 10 14:25:13 2012 From: simbafish at comcast.net (Stuart Keen) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 16:25:13 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Alternate Starter for TD Message-ID: Has anyone installed in their TD the modern starter made by Gustafsen Machine of Glouchester, MA? WHY? Some of you have followed the mystery of my starter problem; why the gnashing of starter pinion and ring gear teeth, originally quite infrequent but now more prevalent. After an investigative search, I eventually discovered that the ring gear had been installed BACKWARDS (beveled teeth facing FORWARD), presumably in Jan 2000 when the engine was rebuilt by a local mechanic. To correct this error would mean engine out and engine in, the unbolt and rebolt of gearbox to engine which would give opportunity for chipped paint, pinched wires, worn out bolt threads and miscellaneous, unexplainable woes. There is an alternative solution (note: my TD is already modified with 5 speed tranny, etc.). There is a modern starter made by Gustafsen Machine that approaches the ring gear from the FRONT, not the rear like the Lucas starter. This should work well with my ring gear installed backwards. I have heard some good reports about these starters in other British cars but does anyone know how well they perform in a TD? Curious before I go this route. Stu Keen 1951 MGTD MKII From PopeyMike at aol.com Mon Mar 12 08:36:17 2012 From: PopeyMike at aol.com (PopeyMike at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mg-t] Alternate Starter for TD Message-ID: Stu: Check out Rockauto.com. THey list a starter that in photos looks like the exact MG TD starter. Michael Balahutrak Houston, TX ______________________ In a message dated 3/10/2012 4:33:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, simbafish at comcast.net writes: Has anyone installed in their TD the modern starter made by Gustafsen Machine of Glouchester, MA? WHY? Some of you have followed the mystery of my starter problem; why the gnashing of starter pinion and ring gear teeth, originally quite infrequent but now more prevalent. After an investigative search, I eventually discovered that the ring gear had been installed BACKWARDS (beveled teeth facing FORWARD), presumably in Jan 2000 when the engine was rebuilt by a local mechanic. To correct this error would mean engine out and engine in, the unbolt and rebolt of gearbox to engine which would give opportunity for chipped paint, pinched wires, worn out bolt threads and miscellaneous, unexplainable woes. There is an alternative solution (note: my TD is already modified with 5 speed tranny, etc.). There is a modern starter made by Gustafsen Machine that approaches the ring gear from the FRONT, not the rear like the Lucas starter. This should work well with my ring gear installed backwards. I have heard some good reports about these starters in other British cars but does anyone know how well they perform in a TD? Curious before I go this route. Stu Keen 1951 MGTD MKII ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/popeymike at aol.com From scvc70 at epix.net Mon Mar 12 08:55:53 2012 From: scvc70 at epix.net (Carr&Edwards) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:55:53 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] TD/TF tires Message-ID: <5674AC2F93A94391A0C902CA9D8F5642@valuedea617bbe> Since recent List archives are unavailable, here's today's question for you: We need new tires for my TD (replacing due to age, not wear), and Kelly no longer makes the 165R15s that are on the car now. Has anyone recently bought tires for their TD/TF? If so, what brand, and approximate price? I've checked the websites for every brand of tires I can think of, and have come up with few choices. Thanks! Sarah Carr TD3942 EXLU in PA From kingseim at earthlink.net Mon Mar 12 09:39:59 2012 From: kingseim at earthlink.net (John Seim) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:39:59 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] TD/TF tires In-Reply-To: <5674AC2F93A94391A0C902CA9D8F5642@valuedea617bbe> References: <5674AC2F93A94391A0C902CA9D8F5642@valuedea617bbe> Message-ID: <9CDB1F39-2A75-4C3C-A7A3-DF6923DAA89F@earthlink.net> While you can still find some 165R15 tires, most manufacturers have gone to the Eurometric or P-Metric sizes. A 165/80R15 is what they show as a direct size replacement for the 165R15. You could also search Volkswagen Beetle sites, as the tire size is more better know as a Volkswagen Beetle tire size. John Seim Irvine, CA On Mar 12, 2012, at 7:55 AM, Carr&Edwards wrote: > Since recent List archives are unavailable, here's today's question > for you: > > We need new tires for my TD (replacing due to age, not wear), and > Kelly no > longer makes the 165R15s that are on the car now. Has anyone > recently bought > tires for their TD/TF? If so, what brand, and approximate price? > I've > checked the websites for every brand of tires I can think of, and > have come up > with few choices. > > Thanks! > Sarah Carr > TD3942 EXLU in PA > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/ > kingseim at earthlink.net From TATERRY at aol.com Tue Mar 13 13:32:31 2012 From: TATERRY at aol.com (TATERRY at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mg-t] Self Promotion Message-ID: <1841d.5e28357c.3c90facf@aol.com> Folks, just to let you know, I have positive ground D lamp LEDs back in stock. Details on the T-ABC web site under classified...or email me direct. Also used on some Y types and even a Triumph 1800. Any D lamp. Terry From crownwheel at comcast.net Tue Mar 20 06:23:24 2012 From: crownwheel at comcast.net (Gene Fodor) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 08:23:24 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] The New England MG T Register's Miles of Smiles Contest Message-ID: <006501cd0694$3f55b380$be011a80$@net> Good Morning Listers and a Happy Spring to all. The Miles of Smiles Contest sponsored by the New England MG T Register Questions: Please contact David Sander, Chairman NEMGTR dasander at aol.com or Gene Fodor crownwheel at comcast.net Cheers Gene Fodor 2012 "Miles of Smiles" Intro & Rules We all know how much fun we have driving our MG 'T's. Finding that windy, secluded road or caravanning to a national event provide miles and miles of interesting and sometimes exciting experiences. While The Register has a long history of rewarding members who drive their cars to the GOFs, it's time to recognize everyone who drive their cars. The "Miles of Smiles" Contest The goal is to capture a photo record of the miles that you drive your car during the contest period. The photos will be displayed in a special gallery for all of the membership to view. Periodically during the season the participants are asked to upload photos showing them driving their car. Bonus points will be awarded for travel to the GOFs. The winner will be awarded a free room and registration at the 2013 Kimber Festival. Entrants with miles over 1,000 will receive a special plaque. So get those T's dusted off, pack the cooler and head out -- you might just have enough miles to make you smile! The Rules 1. The contest is open to all Register Members. Eligible cars: T series cars or earlier (cars covered by The Register). Entries will be checked against our current database. 2. The contest start is 12:01 a.m. April 12, 2012 and runs to midnight November 12, 2012. 3. The contest is being run online. All photos should be submitted using the online forms. 4. Each entrant must provide the following: a. A photo of the speedometer showing the odometer reading. This photo should have the date enabled if the camera supports this function. b. A photo of the Register Number dash plaque (preferably on the car) 5. During the contest the Member should take additional photos of their travels making sure that the odometer reading is shown. 6. Mileage for regular daily driving, club events or any other road trips will be allowed. Trailer miles do not count. 7. Miles to a Register event (GOF, GoF, GOOF, KimberFest and Friendship Tour) will count as double. Members should use the forms available online to ensure that their miles are counted. The Prize! Winner will receive recognition from the Register and also receive room and registration at the 2013 Kimber Festival. From bobmgtd at comcast.net Wed Mar 28 18:11:47 2012 From: bobmgtd at comcast.net (Bob Donahue) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:11:47 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Connolly "Hide Food" VS "Hide Care" Message-ID: <50E960BC6AD84EBB85D72FDA6DA0F3D1@yourmb2swywknr> Is Connolly "Hide Care" the same thing as the old "Hide Food"? I can't find "Hide Food" anywhere. Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana From redscirocco at hotmail.com Wed Mar 28 18:15:01 2012 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:15:01 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Connolly "Hide Food" VS "Hide Care" In-Reply-To: <50E960BC6AD84EBB85D72FDA6DA0F3D1@yourmb2swywknr> References: <50E960BC6AD84EBB85D72FDA6DA0F3D1@yourmb2swywknr> Message-ID: Bob, I remember reading recently that they are the same thing, but don't remember reading any reason for the name change.-Mike Mike Eldred'54 MG TF'73 Midget'51 M38 Jeep > From: bobmgtd at comcast.net > To: mg-t at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:11:47 -0400 > Subject: [Mg-t] Connolly "Hide Food" VS "Hide Care" > > Is Connolly "Hide Care" the same thing as the old "Hide Food"? I can't find > "Hide Food" anywhere. > > Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net > Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > Member: NEMGTR #11470 > NAMGBR # 7-3336 > Hoosier MGB Club > Olde Octagons of Indiana > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/redscirocco at hotmail.com From Douglas.Ormrod at Neurological.org.nz Thu Mar 29 14:54:15 2012 From: Douglas.Ormrod at Neurological.org.nz (Douglas Ormrod) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:54:15 +0000 Subject: [Mg-t] Connolly "Hide Food" VS "Hide Care" In-Reply-To: <50E960BC6AD84EBB85D72FDA6DA0F3D1@yourmb2swywknr> References: <50E960BC6AD84EBB85D72FDA6DA0F3D1@yourmb2swywknr> Message-ID: Looks like it is the same thing, for some reason they call the one-pack Hide Food and the six-pack (Hide Food) Hide Care. http://www.autogeek.net/conhid.html Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Donahue Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012 1:12 p.m. To: mg-t Subject: [Mg-t] Connolly "Hide Food" VS "Hide Care" Is Connolly "Hide Care" the same thing as the old "Hide Food"? I can't find "Hide Food" anywhere. Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/douglas.ormrod at neurological.org.nz From skunk149 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 29 16:36:51 2012 From: skunk149 at hotmail.com (Bob Mitchell) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:36:51 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Connolly "Hide Food" VS "Hide Care" In-Reply-To: References: <50E960BC6AD84EBB85D72FDA6DA0F3D1@yourmb2swywknr>, Message-ID: Keep it from freezing, I ruined mine that way... > From: Douglas.Ormrod at Neurological.org.nz > To: bobmgtd at comcast.net; mg-t at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:54:15 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Connolly "Hide Food" VS "Hide Care" > > Looks like it is the same thing, for some reason they call the one-pack Hide > Food and the six-pack (Hide Food) Hide Care. > > http://www.autogeek.net/conhid.html > > Douglas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Bob Donahue > Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012 1:12 p.m. > To: mg-t > Subject: [Mg-t] Connolly "Hide Food" VS "Hide Care" > > Is Connolly "Hide Care" the same thing as the old "Hide Food"? I can't find > "Hide Food" anywhere. > > Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net > Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > Member: NEMGTR #11470 > NAMGBR # 7-3336 > Hoosier MGB Club > Olde Octagons of Indiana > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/douglas.ormrod at neurological.org.nz > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/skunk149 at hotmail.com