From shop at justbrits.com Thu Jun 2 23:03:22 2011 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 00:03:22 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] [Fwd: [Spridgets] Check out these car condos] Message-ID: <4DE86B1A.6050501@justbrits.com> I would REALLY "like" one of these Units !!! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Spridgets] Check out these car condos Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 21:32:56 -0700 From: WFO Herb To: Spridgeteers , Wedge List My kind of place!!! Herb (one of these two ought to work for you) http://www.kare11.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=958137284001#/Twin+Cities+man+creates+a+country+club+for+cars/958137284001 Click here: kare11.com | Minneapolis and St. Paul | KARE Video From mgbob at juno.com Fri Jun 3 16:02:09 2011 From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 22:02:09 GMT Subject: [Mg-t] British By The Sea 2011 Message-ID: <20110603.180209.23572.6@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Connecticut MG Club's 24th annual British Car Show is Sunday, 5 June. 32 exhibitor classes, plus a small group of British bikes. 250 cars were on the field field in 2010, despite a vile weather forecast. We have room for many more. Registration begins at 1000; voting ends at 1300. Come join the fun in a lovely park at the Connecticut shore. Harkness Memorial State Park,Route 213, Waterford, CT, which is adjacent to New London. Bob Howard From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 4 19:23:46 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:23:46 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] off topic - Tuscaloosa (Alabama) Tornado T shirts - inventory reduction sale In-Reply-To: References: <20110411.092909.15346.1@webmail12.vgs.untd.com><1E4B74282BCF4AB1A425178DD542EB15@ranteer.local>

Message-ID: Support the relief effort in Tuscaloosa by buying a Tee shirt at www.PrayForTTown.com. My son, Carlton Northrup, a senior at University of Alabama designed these shirts in order to raise funds for the tornado victims a few blocks from his apartment. Too many t-shirts left..2 for 1!!!!!...still time to help the victims in Tuscaloosa!!! From johnsfolly at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 23:34:27 2011 From: johnsfolly at gmail.com (John Deikis) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 23:34:27 -0600 Subject: [Mg-t] All part of the adventure Message-ID: Alas, the TD has been retired in Dodge City the result of an upper engine area knock not easily diagnosed in a hotel parking lot. MG/Spridget/motorcycle friend and Team.net lister, Jim Johnson, has agreed to babysit the car and has arranged for it to be stored in the most secure location in Dodge City: a 1950's era concrete Civil Defense bunker. Anyone who knows how to find a truck deadheading east from Kansas. Please email me at Johnsfolly AT gmail DOT com -John Deikis Raising donations for children's cancer research by driving a 53 MG TD on the Rallye to Reno From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 10 00:37:05 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 00:37:05 -0600 Subject: [Mg-t] All part of the adventure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DF1BB91.9010802@bradakis.com> Well, shucks. So it goes. mjb. From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 12 17:18:46 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:18:46 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Parking light bulbs In-Reply-To: References: <20110411.092909.15346.1@webmail12.vgs.untd.com><1E4B74282BCF4AB1A425178DD542EB15@ranteer.local>

Message-ID: <92821EA41EB9402AA5A5BEA35EA28C65@ranteer.local> just changed the oil in my 52 TD - the filters I get for the cannister come with 3 rubber gaskets, none of which really seem to fit correctly. does anyone make just those gaskets? or is there a place to get the filter and gasket that seems a little more "fitting" From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Sun Jun 12 20:36:25 2011 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (BOB GRUNAU) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:36:25 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Parking light bulbs In-Reply-To: <92821EA41EB9402AA5A5BEA35EA28C65@ranteer.local> Message-ID: Assuming you have a late TD oil filter, the regular gaskets supplied are about 0.062", 0.088" and 0.125" thick. You want to use the middle 0.088" thick/wide gasket to fit in the 0.090 " groove in the oil pump, Make SURE the old gasket is removed from the oil pump filter recess before installing the new gasket with a bit of oil for lubrication. Make sure the new gasket is fully inserted into the groove. . Bob Grunau, Canada -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of oliver Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:19 PM To: MG Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Parking light bulbs just changed the oil in my 52 TD - the filters I get for the cannister come with 3 rubber gaskets, none of which really seem to fit correctly. does anyone make just those gaskets? or is there a place to get the filter and gasket that seems a little more "fitting" ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/grunau.garage at sympatico.ca ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3698 - Release Date: 06/12/11 From chillmog at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 12 21:47:08 2011 From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:47:08 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Parking light bulbs In-Reply-To: <92821EA41EB9402AA5A5BEA35EA28C65@ranteer.local> References: <20110411.092909.15346.1@webmail12.vgs.untd.com><1E4B74282BCF4AB1A425178DD542EB15@ranteer.local>

<92821EA41EB9402AA5A5BEA35EA28C65@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <4DF5883C.5050509@sbcglobal.net> What brand filters do you use? I use WIX 51302 in my '64 Morgan (TR4A engine). The gaskets fit fine. TD is probably a different filter but I would be surprised if the WIX gaskets didn't fit as it should. Charles Hill On 6/12/2011 6:18 PM, oliver wrote: > just changed the oil in my 52 TD - the filters I get for the cannister > come with 3 rubber gaskets, none of which really seem to fit correctly. > > does anyone make just those gaskets? or is there a place to get the > filter and gasket that seems a little more "fitting" From redscirocco at hotmail.com Mon Jun 13 06:56:04 2011 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 08:56:04 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Parking light bulbs In-Reply-To: <92821EA41EB9402AA5A5BEA35EA28C65@ranteer.local> References: <20110411.092909.15346.1@webmail12.vgs.untd.com><1E4B74282BCF4AB1A425178DD542EB15@ranteer.local>, , <92821EA41EB9402AA5A5BEA35EA28C65@ranteer.local> Message-ID: I use Napa Gold 1300 filters. They come with the three gaskets, but I've never had a problem fitting the right one (the middle-sized one), except when there was already a gasket in there. A few years back I was having trouble getting the gasket to seal. I knew I had put in the right gasket, and I knew I had taken out the old gasket. Nonetheless, the problem turned out to be an old gasket stuck in the groove. I don't know if it had been in there for years and I just never had the problem before, or if I actually didn't take out a gasket in the first place. At any rate, I got a nice oil undercoating that day. By the way, the easiest way I've found to probe for a gasket and get out a stubborn gasket is with a pushpin. Just stick it in, and if you hit metal, you're fine. If it sticks into the gasket, simply pull it out. -Mike Eldred 1954 MG TF '73 Midget > From: sumton at sbcglobal.net > To: mg-t at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:18:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Parking light bulbs > > just changed the oil in my 52 TD - the filters I get for the cannister come > with 3 rubber gaskets, none of which really seem to fit correctly. > > does anyone make just those gaskets? or is there a place to get the filter > and gasket that seems a little more "fitting" > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/redscirocco at hotmail.com From redscirocco at hotmail.com Wed Jun 15 09:20:05 2011 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:20:05 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] British car festival this weekend Message-ID: I believe this is organized by the same folks who do the British Invasion in Stowe. http://tanglewoodmotorcarfestival.com/ http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2011/06/15/british-car-show-invades-the-be rkshire-hills/ From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 18 18:42:19 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:42:19 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] removal of glovebox Message-ID: <2FCBEE87C0C646618B69735424463DA8@ranteer.local> hi. 1952 TD - looks like the glovebox is held in by a bunch of screws. I just remove all those screws and it slides out? should I remove the glovebox door first? is that even necessary? thanks! From simbafish at comcast.net Thu Jun 23 05:16:02 2011 From: simbafish at comcast.net (Stuart Keen) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:16:02 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] TD losing oil Message-ID: <49280AC8-25C7-4CF2-A9C6-42E937F1A1EB@comcast.net> My MGTD has recently been losing oil. Basically now getting what the original Operator's Manual states: about 500 miles to a quart of oil when driving fast. I usually drive between 60 and 70 mph. But most of the loss appears to happen, not while driving the car, but when I stop for lunch, rest stop etc. Then there is a sightly puddle of oil underneath. Last night I verified that the oil was coming from the cotter pin hole. This makes me suspect I have a rear crank shaft seal problem. But then why does the oil appear to come out all at once and not while driving? TD performs perfectly otherwise. Just drove 320 miles to St Augustine, FL. yesterday. Air temp was 91, water temp high was 88, oil pressure normal at approx 63. Since most of the oil loss appears to be coming from the cotter pin, I do not think I have oil ring problems. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Stuart Keen 1951 MGTD MK II From mgbob at juno.com Thu Jun 23 07:36:56 2011 From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:36:56 GMT Subject: [Mg-t] TD losing oil Message-ID: <20110623.093656.26448.1@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> Hi Stu, Long ago, you were considering installation of a catch cup under the cotter pin, something that had been written up in TSO. Did you do it? If you did, how much oil is draining into that cup over a period of time? It's quite possible that, despite the scroll and the seal, some oil is sneaking out while driving. When stopped, the drips are more evident. A spot the size of a silver dollar, the real silver dollar, not the one we see today, is made by only ten drops or so. You probably do have a seal problem; everyone does to some extent. But also, these engines do burn oil; it's just not all that visible. Original valve seals are not that great. Because your gearing runs the engine slower at highway speeds than most, oil moving past the rings could be less in your engine than others, at road speed. Do the spark plugs show signs of oil burning? Did you go to Reno? What was the consumption on that trip? Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Stuart Keen To: MG Subject: [Mg-t] TD losing oil Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:16:02 -0400 My MGTD has recently been losing oil. Basically now getting what the original Operator's Manual states: about 500 miles to a quart of oil when driving fast. I usually drive between 60 and 70 mph. But most of the loss appears to happen, not while driving the car, but when I stop for lunch, rest stop etc. Then there is a sightly puddle of oil underneath. Last night I verified that the oil was coming from the cotter pin hole. This makes me suspect I have a rear crank shaft seal problem. But then why does the oil appear to come out all at once and not while driving? TD performs perfectly otherwise. Just drove 320 miles to St Augustine, FL. yesterday. Air temp was 91, water temp high was 88, oil pressure normal at approx 63. Since most of the oil loss appears to be coming from the cotter pin, I do not think I have oil ring problems. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Stuart Keen 1951 MGTD MK II From sumton at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 24 21:27:13 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 22:27:13 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie Message-ID: <0D18DFFAA73D418895C6D5EA5A4D97E8@ranteer.local> just got home from the movie (and dinner) great movie, but especially because it mentions lucas electrics, british cars (if there's no oil under them, there's no oil in them) and whitworth!!!!!!! a joke undoubtedly lost on most people, but heart warming to those of us who have suffered the indignity of whitworth in our vehicles From kvacek at ameritech.net Sat Jun 25 08:32:36 2011 From: kvacek at ameritech.net (Karl Vacek) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:32:36 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie In-Reply-To: <0D18DFFAA73D418895C6D5EA5A4D97E8@ranteer.local> References: <0D18DFFAA73D418895C6D5EA5A4D97E8@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <002d01cc3344$bae982c0$30bc8840$@ameritech.net> What "indignity of Whitworth"? Indignity is metric in my GMC and Ford vehicles. Karl Vacek Riverside, Illinois USA TC 6370 -----Original Message----- From: oliver Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie just got home from the movie (and dinner) great movie, but especially because it mentions lucas electrics, british cars (if there's no oil under them, there's no oil in them) and whitworth!!!!!!! a joke undoubtedly lost on most people, but heart warming to those of us who have suffered the indignity of whitworth in our vehicles From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com Sat Jun 25 11:44:55 2011 From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:44:55 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie In-Reply-To: <002d01cc3344$bae982c0$30bc8840$@ameritech.net> References: <0D18DFFAA73D418895C6D5EA5A4D97E8@ranteer.local> <002d01cc3344$bae982c0$30bc8840$@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <160D9BE8F14C48AAB82475465F613A6C@Roundabout.local> What "indignity of Whitworth"?, indeed. There are precious few British cars that ever used Whitworth threads (or BSW), as that is a coarse thread pitch but is commonly confused with British Standard Fine (BSF). The T-series cars used fine thread metric in most of the engine and BSF through most of the rest of the car. Earlier cars used mostly BSF and later ones used SAE (often called Unified). Cheers, Lew Palmer -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Karl Vacek Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:33 AM To: 'oliver'; 'MG-T' Subject: Re: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie What "indignity of Whitworth"? Indignity is metric in my GMC and Ford vehicles. Karl Vacek Riverside, Illinois USA TC 6370 -----Original Message----- From: oliver Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie just got home from the movie (and dinner) great movie, but especially because it mentions lucas electrics, british cars (if there's no oil under them, there's no oil in them) and whitworth!!!!!!! a joke undoubtedly lost on most people, but heart warming to those of us who have suffered the indignity of whitworth in our vehicles ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com From chillmog at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 25 13:31:03 2011 From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:31:03 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie In-Reply-To: <160D9BE8F14C48AAB82475465F613A6C@Roundabout.local> References: <0D18DFFAA73D418895C6D5EA5A4D97E8@ranteer.local> <002d01cc3344$bae982c0$30bc8840$@ameritech.net> <160D9BE8F14C48AAB82475465F613A6C@Roundabout.local> Message-ID: <4E063777.2090506@sbcglobal.net> You are mostly correct. There were few BSW fasteners on the T. Not many and most people don't realize they were BSW. There were actually more BSC (British Standard Cycle) and BA fasteners. Now there is a good trivia question: Where were these fasteners used on T-series cars? Of course Morgan continued to use BSW well in to the 60s. Probably that is when their war surplus stock ran out and they had to order a new stock. Charles Hill On 6/25/2011 12:44 PM, Lew Palmer wrote: > What "indignity of Whitworth"?, indeed. > > There are precious few British cars that ever used Whitworth threads (or > BSW), as that is a coarse thread pitch but is commonly confused with British > Standard Fine (BSF). > > The T-series cars used fine thread metric in most of the engine and BSF > through most of the rest of the car. Earlier cars used mostly BSF and later > ones used SAE (often called Unified). > > Cheers, > Lew Palmer From ddubois at sinclair.net Sat Jun 25 15:11:41 2011 From: ddubois at sinclair.net (Dave and Liz DuBois) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:11:41 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie In-Reply-To: <4E063777.2090506@sbcglobal.net> References: <0D18DFFAA73D418895C6D5EA5A4D97E8@ranteer.local> <002d01cc3344$bae982c0$30bc8840$@ameritech.net> <160D9BE8F14C48AAB82475465F613A6C@Roundabout.local> <4E063777.2090506@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4E064F0D.6040005@sinclair.net> BSW - used to attache the adjusting link to the generator (this was not a MG thing, but rather a Lucas thing and probably 99.9% of those BSW bolts have been replaced with an American National Course. Also used in the SU carburetors to hold the vacuum bell in place and for adjusting screws. BSC - used in the windshield pivoting arrangement. BA - all the smaller machine type screws. All the electrical grub screws are BA2 or BA4. Also the power terminal and ground screw for the SU fuel pumps are 2BA (later pumps have a 4BA ground screw). There are also BSP (straight thread) used for fuel and oil fittings. Finally for the comment that the real indignation is metric fasteners used in Fords and Chevrolets - America has been on the metric standard for many, many years (on a voluntary basis - plus most of those cars are probably being built off shore). Cheers, Dave From johnsfolly at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 08:44:47 2011 From: johnsfolly at gmail.com (John Deikis) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:44:47 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] TD losing oil In-Reply-To: <20110623.093656.26448.1@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> References: <20110623.093656.26448.1@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: The infamous British Archimedean scroll! Sorta worked when new, but leave much to be after a few years. Manley Ford put a Brown & Gammons seal and flywheel on my XPAG before the Reno trip. Never saw a drop come out of the cotter hole. Checked the dipstick...there was oil in the sump. -John P.S. Stu: missed you on the trip. It was hot but a great experience. Not entirely successful car-wise, but still worth the effort. Raising donations for children's cancer research by driving a 53 MG TD on the Rallye to Reno Read about it at www.kidsCURE.blogspot.com On Jun 23, 2011, at 1:36 PM, "mgbob at juno.com" wrote: > Hi Stu, > Long ago, you were considering installation of a catch cup under the cotter > pin, something that had been written up in TSO. Did you do it? > If you did, how much oil is draining into that cup over a period of time? > It's quite possible that, despite the scroll and the seal, some oil is > sneaking out while driving. When stopped, the drips are more evident. > A spot the size of a silver dollar, the real silver dollar, not the one we > see today, is made by only ten drops or so. > You probably do have a seal problem; everyone does to some extent. But > also, these engines do burn oil; it's just not all that visible. Original > valve seals are not that great. Because your gearing runs the engine slower at > highway speeds than most, oil moving past the rings could be less in your > engine than others, at road speed. Do the spark plugs show signs of oil > burning? > Did you go to Reno? What was the consumption on that trip? > Bob > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Stuart Keen > To: MG > Subject: [Mg-t] TD losing oil > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:16:02 -0400 > > My MGTD has recently been losing oil. Basically now getting what the original > Operator's Manual states: about 500 miles to a quart of oil when driving > fast. > I usually drive between 60 and 70 mph. But most of the loss appears to > happen, > not while driving the car, but when I stop for lunch, rest stop etc. Then > there is a sightly puddle of oil underneath. Last night I verified that the > oil was coming from the cotter pin hole. This makes me suspect I have a rear > crank shaft seal problem. But then why does the oil appear to come out all at > once and not while driving? TD performs perfectly otherwise. Just drove 320 > miles to St Augustine, FL. yesterday. Air temp was 91, water temp high was > 88, > oil pressure normal at approx 63. Since most of the oil loss appears to be > coming from the cotter pin, I do not think I have oil ring problems. Any > suggestion would be appreciated. > > Stuart Keen > 1951 MGTD MK II > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/johnsfolly at gmail.com From mike at duvallvideo.com Sun Jun 26 18:22:46 2011 From: mike at duvallvideo.com (Duvall Video Productions) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:22:46 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] TD shifter rattle Message-ID: <053FA1E8-0AA0-494B-AA43-FF6868E8B023@duvallvideo.com> My TD shift lever all of the sudden started rattling/banging on hard acceleration. Could weak springs on the balls cause this? I read somewhere where the brass piece the shift lever fits into can wear and cause this but I would think I would feel that moving the shifter. Holding the shifter doesn't stop the problem. From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com Mon Jun 27 07:09:01 2011 From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:09:01 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] TD shifter rattle In-Reply-To: <053FA1E8-0AA0-494B-AA43-FF6868E8B023@duvallvideo.com> References: <053FA1E8-0AA0-494B-AA43-FF6868E8B023@duvallvideo.com> Message-ID: I know it sounds strange but check the timing on the engine. I've seen numerous cases where the timing is too far advanced and the shifter starts rattling, particularly on hard acceleration. Cheers, Lew Palmer -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duvall Video Productions Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 7:23 PM To: mg-t at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] TD shifter rattle My TD shift lever all of the sudden started rattling/banging on hard acceleration. Could weak springs on the balls cause this? I read somewhere where the brass piece the shift lever fits into can wear and cause this but I would think I would feel that moving the shifter. Holding the shifter doesn't stop the problem. ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com From PopeyMike at aol.com Mon Jun 27 08:42:24 2011 From: PopeyMike at aol.com (PopeyMike at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:42:24 EDT Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie Message-ID: <5ab4a.5f4facf0.3b39f0d0@aol.com> I beg to differ with you Karl. Metric system makes sense in more ways than one. It is the British system that is confusing for most people with fractions and inches and the base 12 measuring system. I think this was a conspiratorial plot by the British Crown to brainwash people in the USA and in this way keep the USA from using the metric. Imagine if we would have went metric back in the early 1900 - with the force of USA innovation we would have flooded the whole European theater with USA goods. Also probably the whole world and we would be much more economically powerful today then we are now. Teachers would teach a simple measuring system to students. Students would like math better. I believe the British inches and gallons system has made us less competitive in the world then we could have been. As I said the Crown was worried the USA would be too powerful - therefore they had to brainwash us to keep the USA in its place. Unfortunately even the Crown was not powerful enough to keep USA completely down. That is the real indignity. Michael Balahutrak Houston, TX 53 TD In a message dated 6/25/2011 10:45:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kvacek at ameritech.net writes: What "indignity of Whitworth"? Indignity is metric in my GMC and Ford vehicles. Karl Vacek Riverside, Illinois USA TC 6370 -----Original Message----- From: oliver Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie just got home from the movie (and dinner) great movie, but especially because it mentions lucas electrics, british cars (if there's no oil under them, there's no oil in them) and whitworth!!!!!!! a joke undoubtedly lost on most people, but heart warming to those of us who have suffered the indignity of whitworth in our vehicles ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/popeymike at aol.com From mgbob at juno.com Mon Jun 27 09:50:57 2011 From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:50:57 GMT Subject: [Mg-t] TD shifter rattle Message-ID: <20110627.115057.7280.4@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Hi Mike, There are a couple of places in the remote linkage where the rattle can originate. Lew replied that the RPM affects the rattle, something that Lawrie Alexander noted also. If it's a clear-sounding rattle, it's probably external. A bronze bushing in the remote shifter rod can wear, allowing the rod to rattle with an annoying, clear sound. The bushing would be a simple press out and in, except to get to it you first must remove the shift lever. "You can't put a square peg into a round hole" MG could, and did. The pounded square pegs into the round holes of the casting, the pegs fitting into slots milled into the lever. Lawrie describes some hook device that one can make to remove the pegs. He could; I couldn't. I move the timing around to get the rattle at the least objectionable rpm range. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Duvall Video Productions To: mg-t at autox.team.net, mgs at autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] TD shifter rattle Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:22:46 -0500 My TD shift lever all of the sudden started rattling/banging on hard acceleration. Could weak springs on the balls cause this? I read somewhere where the brass piece the shift lever fits into can wear and cause this but I would think I would feel that moving the shifter. Holding the shifter doesn't stop the problem. ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob at juno.com From Emgeeguy at aol.com Mon Jun 27 11:25:35 2011 From: Emgeeguy at aol.com (Emgeeguy at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:25:35 EDT Subject: [Mg-t] TD shifter rattle Message-ID: <123fe.7e26e45.3b3a170f@aol.com> I had to remove the pins. Rather than pounding square pins back in, I tapped the holes on both sides, put a short pin in (not a press fit, but a little loose), then put a set screw in each side to hold the pin in place. Hope it works. That way I can remove the stuff easily without trying to figure out how to get the pins out. Larry In a message dated 6/27/2011 9:10:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mgbob at juno.com writes: Hi Mike, There are a couple of places in the remote linkage where the rattle can originate. Lew replied that the RPM affects the rattle, something that Lawrie Alexander noted also. If it's a clear-sounding rattle, it's probably external. A bronze bushing in the remote shifter rod can wear, allowing the rod to rattle with an annoying, clear sound. The bushing would be a simple press out and in, except to get to it you first must remove the shift lever. "You can't put a square peg into a round hole" MG could, and did. The pounded square pegs into the round holes of the casting, the pegs fitting into slots milled into the lever. Lawrie describes some hook device that one can make to remove the pegs. He could; I couldn't. I move the timing around to get the rattle at the least objectionable rpm range. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Duvall Video Productions To: mg-t at autox.team.net, mgs at autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] TD shifter rattle Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:22:46 -0500 My TD shift lever all of the sudden started rattling/banging on hard acceleration. Could weak springs on the balls cause this? I read somewhere where the brass piece the shift lever fits into can wear and cause this but I would think I would feel that moving the shifter. Holding the shifter doesn't stop the problem. ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob at juno.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/emgeeguy at aol.com From mike at duvallvideo.com Mon Jun 27 12:06:42 2011 From: mike at duvallvideo.com (Duvall Video Productions) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:06:42 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] TD shifter rattle In-Reply-To: <123fe.7e26e45.3b3a170f@aol.com> References: <123fe.7e26e45.3b3a170f@aol.com> Message-ID: thanks for all the responses. I advanced my timing and thought it was a coincidence. I think I would rather get a little more power and try to fix rattle. On Jun 27, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Emgeeguy at aol.com wrote: > Hi Mike, > There are a couple of places in the remote linkage where the rattle can > originate. Lew replied that the RPM affects the rattle, something that Lawrie > Alexander noted also. > If it's a clear-sounding rattle, it's probably external. A bronze bushing > in the remote shifter rod can wear, allowing the rod to rattle with an > annoying, clear sound. The bushing would be a simple press out and in, except > to get to it you first must remove the shift lever. > "You can't put a square peg into a round hole" MG could, and did. The > pounded square pegs into the round holes of the casting, the pegs fitting into > slots milled into the lever. Lawrie describes some hook device that one can > make to remove the pegs. He could; I couldn't. > I move the timing around to get the rattle at the least objectionable rpm > range. > Bob From spook01 at comcast.net Mon Jun 27 12:08:29 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:08:29 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] =?utf-8?q?TD_shifter_rattle?= Message-ID: <20110627180829.92A56187901@autox.team.net> Hi guys, To remove the pins, first carefully grind off the peening (i suggest a dremel tool). Then buy a cheap, then chisel and sharpen it, the grind down the sides so it fits into the groove on the shifter ball. Careful tapping with a small hammer, and some prying with the chisel will remove the pins without damaging anything. You can peen over the new ones by using a ball peen hammer. Use the round peening ball end. If you've boogered up the hole, the silver thread lock will work up to a point. After that, you're in test pilot territory. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: Emgeeguy at aol.com To: , Cc: , Subject: [Mg-t] TD shifter rattle Date: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 12:25 I had to remove the pins. Rather than pounding square pins back in, I tapped the holes on both sides, put a short pin in (not a press fit, but a little loose), then put a set screw in each side to hold the pin in place. Hope it works. That way I can remove the stuff easily without trying to figure out how to get the pins out. Larry In a message dated 6/27/2011 9:10:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mgbob at juno.com writes: Hi Mike, There are a couple of places in the remote linkage where the rattle can originate. Lew replied that the RPM affects the rattle, something that Lawrie Alexander noted also. If it's a clear-sounding rattle, it's probably external. A bronze bushing in the remote shifter rod can wear, allowing the rod to rattle with an annoying, clear sound. The bushing would be a simple press out and in, except to get to it you first must remove the shift lever. "You can't put a square peg into a round hole" MG could, and did. The pounded square pegs into the round holes of the casting, the pegs fitting into slots milled into the lever. Lawrie describes some hook device that one can make to remove the pegs. He could; I couldn't. I move the timing around to get the rattle at the least objectionable rpm range. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Duvall Video Productions To: mg-t at autox.team.net, mgs at autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] TD shifter rattle Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:22:46 -0500 My TD shift lever all of the sudden started rattling/banging on hard acceleration. Could weak springs on the balls cause this? I read somewhere where the brass piece the shift lever fits into can wear and cause this but I would think I would feel that moving the shifter. Holding the shifter doesn't stop the problem. ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob at juno.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/emgeeguy at aol.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/spook01 at comcast.net From clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com Tue Jun 28 06:21:04 2011 From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com (Clive Sherriff) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:21:04 +0100 Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie References: <5ab4a.5f4facf0.3b39f0d0@aol.com> Message-ID: There are reasons .......... The imperial measurements systems, with the odd basis of 12ths, 14th, rods, poles, furlongs and perches etc. etc. was a cunning British way of keeping the minds of the English speaking nations of Empire more alert than those of the foreigners! And dont forget, the Sun never sets on the British Empire ! (though there are rumours that this is so because God was concerned about what the British might get up to in the dark !!!) Clive Oxford, UK ========================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie >I beg to differ with you Karl. Metric system makes sense in more ways > than one. It is the British system that is confusing for most people with > fractions and inches and the base 12 measuring system. > > I think this was a conspiratorial plot by the British Crown to brainwash > people in the USA and in this way keep the USA from using the metric. > Imagine if we would have went metric back in the early 1900 - with the > force of > USA innovation we would have flooded the whole European theater with USA > goods....................................... From redscirocco at hotmail.com Tue Jun 28 06:54:24 2011 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:54:24 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie In-Reply-To: References: <5ab4a.5f4facf0.3b39f0d0@aol.com>, Message-ID: The sun never sets on the mighty Jeep. -Mike Eldred 1954 MG TF 1951 Willys M38 Jeep 1973 MG Midget > From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com > To: PopeyMike at aol.com; KVacek at Ameritech.net; sumton at sbcglobal.net; mg-t at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:21:04 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie > > There are reasons .......... > > The imperial measurements systems, with the odd basis of 12ths, 14th, rods, > poles, furlongs and perches etc. etc. was a cunning British way of keeping > the minds of the English speaking nations of Empire more alert than those of > the foreigners! > > And dont forget, the Sun never sets on the British Empire ! (though there > are rumours that this is so because God was concerned about what the British > might get up to in the dark !!!) > > Clive > Oxford, UK > > ========================================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 3:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie > > > >I beg to differ with you Karl. Metric system makes sense in more ways > > than one. It is the British system that is confusing for most people with > > fractions and inches and the base 12 measuring system. > > > > I think this was a conspiratorial plot by the British Crown to brainwash > > people in the USA and in this way keep the USA from using the metric. > > Imagine if we would have went metric back in the early 1900 - with the > > force of > > USA innovation we would have flooded the whole European theater with USA > > goods....................................... > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/redscirocco at hotmail.com From mgbob at juno.com Tue Jun 28 07:33:17 2011 From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:33:17 GMT Subject: [Mg-t] TD shifter rattle Message-ID: <20110628.093317.467.1@webmail12.vgs.untd.com> That seems a good way to do it, far less likely to crack the casting that pounding pins out and in. For the MGB all syncro gearbox, and perhaps for others too, the shift lever was retained with bolts from the side. The bolts were threaded into the casting, and their projecting tip was without thread, poking into the slots of the lever. While it did require tapping two holes at the factory, it would seem that there would be a smaller chance of cracking the casting when assembling. A club member has just offered a TD gearbox to our club, a take-out from a five-speed conversion. It's in my garage now. I will take a look at it and see how the MGB tapping method would work.Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Emgeeguy at aol.com To: mgbob at juno.com, mike at duvallvideo.com Cc: mgs at autox.team.net, mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] TD shifter rattle Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:25:35 EDT I had to remove the pins. Rather than pounding square pins back in, I tapped the holes on both sides, put a short pin in (not a press fit, but a little loose), then put a set screw in each side to hold the pin in place. Hope it works. That way I can remove the stuff easily without trying to figure out how to get the pins out. Larry From PopeyMike at aol.com Tue Jun 28 09:52:36 2011 From: PopeyMike at aol.com (PopeyMike at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:52:36 EDT Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie Message-ID: <45d60.32cac9df.3b3b52c4@aol.com> Dear Clive: I do have to agree - I like the way you reason. Yes it would keep British minds alert - no question about that. Unfortunately this does not help the USA since we tend to value education a wee bit less then anywhere else in the world. I have traveled to the poorest sections of Ecuador, Colombia, Brazil, Argentina and met many children of all ages and I bet they know world geography better then most adults in USA. And they have heard of England and know the capital is London - even when they speak Spanish. I guess since they do not have ready access to TV and video games then they must fill their bored time with books. How utterly old fashioned. This is what Rummy meant about Old Europe - where education is respected, funded and teachers have a high standing in the community. Michael Balahutrak ________________________ In a message dated 6/28/2011 7:21:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com writes: There are reasons .......... The imperial measurements systems, with the odd basis of 12ths, 14th, rods, poles, furlongs and perches etc. etc. was a cunning British way of keeping the minds of the English speaking nations of Empire more alert than those of the foreigners! And dont forget, the Sun never sets on the British Empire ! (though there are rumours that this is so because God was concerned about what the British might get up to in the dark !!!) Clive Oxford, UK ========================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie >I beg to differ with you Karl. Metric system makes sense in more ways > than one. It is the British system that is confusing for most people with > fractions and inches and the base 12 measuring system. > > I think this was a conspiratorial plot by the British Crown to brainwash > people in the USA and in this way keep the USA from using the metric. > Imagine if we would have went metric back in the early 1900 - with the > force of > USA innovation we would have flooded the whole European theater with USA > goods....................................... From clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com Tue Jun 28 14:32:09 2011 From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com (Clive Sherriff) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:32:09 +0100 Subject: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie References: <5ab4a.5f4facf0.3b39f0d0@aol.com>,

Message-ID: Maybe God didn't think much of the headlights? Clive ======================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Eldred To: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com ; popeymike at aol.com ; kvacek at ameritech.net ; sumton at sbcglobal.net ; mg-t at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 1:54 PM Subject: RE: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie The sun never sets on the mighty Jeep. -Mike Eldred 1954 MG TF 1951 Willys M38 Jeep 1973 MG Midget > From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com > To: PopeyMike at aol.com; KVacek at Ameritech.net; sumton at sbcglobal.net; mg-t at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:21:04 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie > > There are reasons .......... > > The imperial measurements systems, with the odd basis of 12ths, 14th, rods, > poles, furlongs and perches etc. etc. was a cunning British way of keeping > the minds of the English speaking nations of Empire more alert than those of > the foreigners! > > And dont forget, the Sun never sets on the British Empire ! (though there > are rumours that this is so because God was concerned about what the British > might get up to in the dark !!!) > > Clive > Oxford, UK From Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz Tue Jun 28 15:37:42 2011 From: Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz (Douglas Ormrod) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:37:42 +1200 Subject: [Mg-t] British cars In-Reply-To: <45d60.32cac9df.3b3b52c4@aol.com> References: <45d60.32cac9df.3b3b52c4@aol.com> Message-ID: Perhaps Americans should only be allowed to run for public office if they have rebuilt a British car or bike. Such a requirement would indicate: A world view, well at least as far as the English Channel An ability to solve difficult problems (keeping Lucas lights burning) An ability to co-operate with others (sharing of BSF and BA tap and die sets, the Dremel and beer) Diplomacy (keeping your marriage together after a budget blowout) Dealing with budget blowouts without compromising your childrens' education (too much) Concern for the environment (smaller engines = less oil, OK, except for the bit that leaks out - but fit a cup and you can recycle it) The ability to have fun But you may have to exclude Triumph owners as I understand George Bush 2nd had one of those in his misspent yoooth. What about the women though. Have to think about that. Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of PopeyMike at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011 3:53 a.m. To: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com; KVacek at Ameritech.net; sumton at sbcglobal.net; mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie Dear Clive: I do have to agree - I like the way you reason. Yes it would keep British minds alert - no question about that. Unfortunately this does not help the USA since we tend to value education a wee bit less then anywhere else in the world. I have traveled to the poorest sections of Ecuador, Colombia, Brazil, Argentina and met many children of all ages and I bet they know world geography better then most adults in USA. And they have heard of England and know the capital is London - even when they speak Spanish. I guess since they do not have ready access to TV and video games then they must fill their bored time with books. How utterly old fashioned. This is what Rummy meant about Old Europe - where education is respected, funded and teachers have a high standing in the community. Michael Balahutrak ________________________ In a message dated 6/28/2011 7:21:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com writes: There are reasons .......... The imperial measurements systems, with the odd basis of 12ths, 14th, rods, poles, furlongs and perches etc. etc. was a cunning British way of keeping the minds of the English speaking nations of Empire more alert than those of the foreigners! And dont forget, the Sun never sets on the British Empire ! (though there are rumours that this is so because God was concerned about what the British might get up to in the dark !!!) Clive Oxford, UK ========================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] cars2 the movie >I beg to differ with you Karl. Metric system makes sense in more ways > than one. It is the British system that is confusing for most people with > fractions and inches and the base 12 measuring system. > > I think this was a conspiratorial plot by the British Crown to brainwash > people in the USA and in this way keep the USA from using the metric. > Imagine if we would have went metric back in the early 1900 - with the > force of > USA innovation we would have flooded the whole European theater with USA > goods....................................... ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/douglas.ormrod at neurological.o rg.nz _____________________________________________________________________________ _ This email has been scrubbed for your protection by SMX. 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