From crownwheel at comcast.net Tue May 4 06:12:10 2010 From: crownwheel at comcast.net (Gene) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:12:10 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] (no subject) Message-ID: <003b01caeb83$064097a0$12c1c6e0$@net> Good Day Listers . A bitter sweet story. A good number of years ago, the Co-Founder of the New England MG T Register, Frank Churchill # 2 was killed in a tragic accident in Middlebury, VT while driving his TD. The TD he died in was extensively damaged and has resided with the Sander Family in Jeffersonville, Vermont since then. Dave Sander took it upon himself for lovingly resort TD 28929, the car the Frank loved so much. Dave displayed the car, which was still is pieces a few weeks ago at the Vermont Automobile Enthusiasts, club meeting. He explained its history and the damage he discovered and the unexpected surprises he found while in the restoration process. It is a fine job and Dave has returned a piece of M.G. history to the road. Below, is an excerpt of the email that Dave sent to me yesterday. Gene, its official, the car is back together, loaded on the truck and ready to go to the GOF. (Oneonta, NY, May 6 to 9, 2010) . I still have a few loose ends to button up, but it is essentially done.. I'm sure there are people who would like an update. Thanks, David TD 28929 (NEMGTR old#2) From scvc70 at epix.net Tue May 4 06:49:30 2010 From: scvc70 at epix.net (Carr&Edwards) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:49:30 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] (no subject) References: <003b01caeb83$064097a0$12c1c6e0$@net> Message-ID: Gene -- Thanks so much for letting us know that Frank's car lives again! Frank was one of the first people I met when I joined the Register shortly after purchasing my TD in 1973. It was always a pleasure to see him at Gatherings, and I can still remember the shock I felt when we heard of his death. We'll be looking for Dave and the TD this weekend in Oneonta. Sarah Carr #4062 (TD3942EXLU) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:12 AM Subject: [Mg-t] (no subject) > Good Day Listers . > > > > A bitter sweet story. > > > > A good number of years ago, the Co-Founder of the New England MG T > Register, > Frank Churchill # 2 was killed in a tragic accident in Middlebury, VT > while > driving his TD. > > > > The TD he died in was extensively damaged and has resided with the Sander > Family in Jeffersonville, Vermont since then. Dave Sander took it upon > himself for lovingly resort TD 28929, the car the Frank loved so much. > > > > Dave displayed the car, which was still is pieces a few weeks ago at the > Vermont Automobile Enthusiasts, club meeting. He explained its history and > the damage he discovered and the unexpected surprises he found while in > the > restoration process. It is a fine job and Dave has returned a piece of > M.G. > history to the road. > > > > Below, is an excerpt of the email that Dave sent to me yesterday. > > > > Gene, its official, the car is back together, loaded on the truck and > ready > to go to the GOF. (Oneonta, NY, May 6 to 9, 2010) . > > > > I still have a few loose ends to button up, but it is essentially done.. > I'm > sure there are people who would like an update. > > Thanks, > > David > > TD 28929 (NEMGTR old#2) > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/scvc70 at epix.net From taterry at aol.com Tue May 4 19:32:01 2010 From: taterry at aol.com (taterry at aol.com) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 21:32:01 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Tom McCahill online Message-ID: <8CCBA09E4DF46EA-820-3FE2@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> I'm told that all of the back issues of Popular Scienceare online for free. Read Tom McCahill from years back. Look at reviews of your favorite cars. They even have the original ads. Go online to www.popsci.com/archives . Therebs a search window. I wrote bTom McCahillb and got a list of his articles and when I clicked on one, I got the text but I don't think they are showing all the early columns....I couldn't find the TC coffin on four harps article. Terry www.popsci.com/archives . Therebs a search window. I wrote bTom McCahillb and got a list of his articles and when I clicked on one, I got the text but I don't think they are showing all the early columns....I couldn't find the TC coffin on four harps article. Terry From chillmog at sbcglobal.net Tue May 4 20:51:46 2010 From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 21:51:46 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Tom McCahill online In-Reply-To: <8CCBA09E4DF46EA-820-3FE2@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCBA09E4DF46EA-820-3FE2@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BE0DD42.1090705@sbcglobal.net> Terry, You are searching the wrong magazine and wrong author. That quote is generally attributed to Karl Ludvigsen but I don't remember which magazine. BTW, I don't recall anyone mentioning this article - http://www.automobilemag.com/features/0710_four_harps_and_a_coffin_mg_tc/index.html Charles Hill taterry at aol.com wrote: > I'm told that all of the back issues of Popular Scienceare online for free. > Read Tom McCahill from years back. Look at reviews of your favorite cars. They > even have the original ads. Go online to www.popsci.com/archives . Therebs a > search window. I wrote b Tom McCahillb > and got a list of his articles and when I clicked on one, I got the text but I > don't think they are showing all the early columns....I couldn't find the TC > coffin on four harps article. > Terry > www.popsci.com/archives . Therebs a search window. I wrote b Tom > McCahillb > and got a list of his articles and when I clicked on one, I got the text but I > don't think they are showing all the early columns....I couldn't find the TC > coffin on four harps article. > Terry From taterry at aol.com Tue May 4 21:09:42 2010 From: taterry at aol.com (taterry at aol.com) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 23:09:42 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Tom McCahill online In-Reply-To: <4BE0DD42.1090705@sbcglobal.net> References: <8CCBA09E4DF46EA-820-3FE2@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <4BE0DD42.1090705@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <8CCBA178AB01CD9-820-4F64@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> Yes, you are right Charles, thinking on it, I think McCahill wrote for Mechanix Illustrated Terry -----Original Message----- From: Charles Hill To: taterry at aol.com Cc: mg-t at autox.team.net; mg-tabc at egroups.com Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Tom McCahill online Terry, You are searching the wrong magazine and wrong author. That quote is generally attributed to Karl Ludvigsen but I don't remember which magazine. BTW, I don't recall anyone mentioning this article - http://www.automobilemag.com/features/0710_four_harps_and_a_coffin_mg_tc/inde x.html Charles Hill taterry at aol.com wrote: > I'm told that all of the back issues of Popular Scienceare online for free. > Read Tom McCahill from years back. Look at reviews of your favorite cars. They > even have the original ads. Go online to www.popsci.com/archives . Therebs a > search window. I wrote bTom McCahillb > and got a list of his articles and when I clicked on one, I got the text but I > don't think they are showing all the early columns....I couldn't find the TC > coffin on four harps article. > Terry > www.popsci.com/archives . Therebs a search window. I wrote bTom > McCahillb > and got a list of his articles and when I clicked on one, I got the text but I > don't think they are showing all the early columns....I couldn't find the TC > coffin on four harps article. > Terry From Emgeeguy at aol.com Tue May 4 21:56:12 2010 From: Emgeeguy at aol.com (Emgeeguy at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 23:56:12 EDT Subject: [Mg-t] Tom McCahill online Message-ID: <9609a.231b58c4.3912465c@aol.com> The article talks about Denver Cornett. Were you there at Watkins Glen, Terry, when Denver told us about his first race there in his TC when he rolled the car by the bridge? he said a bunch of folks came down to the car (upside down) and someone said "Is he alive?" He said, "Why don't you turn the damned car over and find out??" Larry In a message dated 5/4/2010 8:35:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, taterry at aol.com writes: Yes, you are right Charles, thinking on it, I think McCahill wrote for Mechanix Illustrated Terry -----Original Message----- From: Charles Hill To: taterry at aol.com Cc: mg-t at autox.team.net; mg-tabc at egroups.com Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Tom McCahill online Terry, You are searching the wrong magazine and wrong author. That quote is generally attributed to Karl Ludvigsen but I don't remember which magazine. BTW, I don't recall anyone mentioning this article - http://www.automobilemag.com/features/0710_four_harps_and_a_coffin_mg_tc/ind e x.html Charles Hill taterry at aol.com wrote: > I'm told that all of the back issues of Popular Scienceare online for free. > Read Tom McCahill from years back. Look at reviews of your favorite cars. They > even have the original ads. Go online to www.popsci.com/archives . Therebs a > search window. I wrote bTom McCahillb > and got a list of his articles and when I clicked on one, I got the text but I > don't think they are showing all the early columns....I couldn't find the TC > coffin on four harps article. > Terry > www.popsci.com/archives . Therebs a search window. I wrote bTom > McCahillb > and got a list of his articles and when I clicked on one, I got the text but I > don't think they are showing all the early columns....I couldn't find the TC > coffin on four harps article. > Terry ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/emgeeguy at aol.com From taterry at aol.com Tue May 4 22:24:25 2010 From: taterry at aol.com (taterry at aol.com) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 00:24:25 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] Re: Tom McCahill online In-Reply-To: <9609a.231b58c4.3912465c@aol.com> References: <9609a.231b58c4.3912465c@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CCBA21FA62249A-820-5843@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> Yes, I was there....great event! -----Original Message----- From: Emgeeguy at aol.com To: taterry at aol.com; chillmog at sbcglobal.net Cc: mg-tabc at yahoogroups.com; mg-t at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 8:56 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: [Mg-t] Tom McCahill online The article talks about Denver Cornett. Were you there at Watkins Glen, erry, when Denver told us about his first race there in his TC when he rolled the car by the bridge? he said a bunch of folks came down to the car upside down) and someone said "Is he alive?" He said, "Why don't you turn the damned car over and find out??" arry n a message dated 5/4/2010 8:35:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aterry at aol.com writes: Yes, you are right Charles, thinking on it, I think McCahill wrote for echanix Illustrated erry ----Original Message----- rom: Charles Hill o: taterry at aol.com c: mg-t at autox.team.net; mg-tabc at egroups.com ent: Tue, May 4, 2010 7:51 pm ubject: Re: [Mg-t] Tom McCahill online erry, ou are searching the wrong magazine and wrong author. That quote is enerally ttributed to Karl Ludvigsen but I don't remember which magazine. BTW, I on't ecall anyone mentioning this article - ttp://www.automobilemag.com/features/0710_four_harps_and_a_coffin_mg_tc/ind .html harles Hill taterry at aol.com wrote: I'm told that all of the back issues of Popular Scienceare online for ree. Read Tom McCahill from years back. Look at reviews of your favorite cars. hey even have the original ads. Go online to www.popsci.com/archives . herebs search window. I wrote bTom McCahillb and got a list of his articles and when I clicked on one, I got the text ut don't think they are showing all the early columns....I couldn't find he TC coffin on four harps article. Terry www.popsci.com/archives . Therebs a search window. I wrote bTom McCahillb and got a list of his articles and when I clicked on one, I got the text ut don't think they are showing all the early columns....I couldn't find he TC coffin on four harps article. 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From shop at justbrits.com Fri May 7 12:28:36 2010 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 13:28:36 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Tom McCahill online In-Reply-To: <8CCBA178AB01CD9-820-4F64@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCBA09E4DF46EA-820-3FE2@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> <4BE0DD42.1090705@sbcglobal.net> <8CCBA178AB01CD9-820-4F64@Webmail-d104.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BE45BD4.9070804@justbrits.com> <<...thinking on it, I think McCahill wrote for Mechanix Illustrated >> I didn't do any "searching" Terry, but I am SURE you are correct !!! Used to subscribe to the rag just for him [like AutoWeek with Satch -:)]. Ed From spook01 at comcast.net Fri May 7 15:27:08 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Mg-t] =?utf-8?q?Tom_McCahill_online?= Message-ID: <20100507212708.50B6118763E@autox.team.net> Yep.MI. And he measured trunk space in how many Labrador retrievers it would comfortably hold! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Shop at \ Just Brits \" Date: Fri, May 7, 2010 14:28 Subject: [Mg-t] Tom McCahill online To: Cc: "4 - MG Ts" <<...thinking on it, I think McCahill wrote for Mechanix Illustrated >> I didn't do any "searching" Terry, but I am SURE you are correct !!! Used to subscribe to the rag just for him [like AutoWeek with Satch -:)]. Ed ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/spook01 at comcast.net From redscirocco at hotmail.com Tue May 18 14:01:28 2010 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:01:28 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] MG TF 135 in Bennington, VT, May 29 Message-ID: On Saturday, May 29, at 9:30 am, there is an informal get-together at Hemmings Motor News in Bennington, Vt, with British MG owner Roger Pratten, who is touring the U.S. & Canada in his 2003 MG TF 135. I'm planning to attend with my '54 TF, and I'd love to see a good turnout from MG owners. If anyone lives in the area or may happen to be in the area that weekend, it's a chance to get a good look at modern MG and chat with a fellow enthusiast from across the pond. If anyone needs directions or other information, let me know. http://www.mgexperience.net/calendar.php#528 -Mike Eldred '54 MG TF '73 Midget _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 From redscirocco at hotmail.com Fri May 21 09:40:08 2010 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:40:08 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] M-type Message-ID: NFI, just one of those things you don't see on craigslist every day. "for sale, a 1930 MG M-Type Boat-tail Speedster. This car is probably the only example with its original motor in it. It has a 3 speed gearbox. It also has a beautiful two-tone black/blue color scheme. It is fully functional and has had a Show-Room-Quality Restoration." http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/cto/1750924751.html _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From TATERRY at aol.com Fri May 21 10:47:44 2010 From: TATERRY at aol.com (TATERRY at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:47:44 EDT Subject: [Mg-t] M-type Message-ID: <7a30e.279b54aa.39281330@aol.com> In a message dated 5/21/2010 9:26:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, redscirocco at hotmail.com writes: It is fully functional and has had a Show-Room-Quality Restoration." At 50 grand it should have a better than show room quality resto.~~!!! From jvk52td at aol.com Sat May 22 17:44:42 2010 From: jvk52td at aol.com (jvk52td at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 19:44:42 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Break Failure Message-ID: <8CCC81FE29A4A1A-87C-21153@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com> Hi All, Last fall just before storage I lost the brakes on the TD and put off the bleeding project til this spring. All went well in the bleeding process and my brakes pumped up well and very stiff to the push on the brake pedal. Went out for a cruise today and brakes worked fine the first few pushes on the pedal and then all the way to the floorboard the pedal went, good thing for a convenient emergency brake !!! Then after letting up on pedal they were good again for the next few times and then again all the way to the floorboard. It then seemed like they would be good for 2, 3 or 4 times and then all of a sudden the pedal would bottom out but right after letting up on the pedal the next push would be good. Any suggestions ?? Seems like master cylinder problem, not sure if it is bad, needs parts or something else .... I was also looking on the Moss site at master cylinders and it seems it depends how old you cylinder is what parts are available. Are there other outlets for master cylinders or parts beside Moss ?? John in IL From kingseim at earthlink.net Sun May 23 07:16:21 2010 From: kingseim at earthlink.net (John Seim) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 06:16:21 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] Break Failure In-Reply-To: <8CCC81FE29A4A1A-87C-21153@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CCC81FE29A4A1A-87C-21153@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <23EE1658-6987-469F-A91A-28E47D800009@earthlink.net> Yes, it sounds like the master cylinder. From 1995 through 2003, the piston and other rubber parts of the master cylinders were changed. The piston and the rubber plunger are held together by a circlip. The center of the plunger cup is open, so that it can fit onto the back of the master cylinder. The master cylinder rebuild kit, Moss Motors part no. 182-910, has rubber components for old as well as new style master cylinders. If you disassemble the master cylinder, and all parts look like those pictured in the MG TD/TF Workshop manual, section M, brakes, then you need the original kit, 180-910. When installing the pressure seal on the piston, the one that goes on the front of the piston, make sure that it seats over the ridge on the piston. Use a thin blade screwdriver, once you get the seal pulled over the exterior of the piston, and in position, to ensure that the seal is properly straddling the ridge. If you aren't sure, try installing the piston into the cylinder backwards. If it takes a little effort to push the piston in, and a lot of effort to remove the piston, then the seal has not seated on that ridge. Run the thin blade screwdriver around the contact area between the seal and the piston, and test again. If it pulls out with some effort, it is still not seated. Remember, when installed, the spring pressure has to push the piston back to the rest position. John Seim Irvine, CA On May 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, jvk52td at aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > > Last fall just before storage I lost the brakes on the TD and put > off the > bleeding project til this spring. > > All went well in the bleeding process and my brakes pumped up well > and very > stiff to the push on the brake pedal. > > Went out for a cruise today and brakes worked fine the first few > pushes on the > pedal and then all the way to the floorboard the pedal went, good > thing for a > convenient emergency brake !!! > > Then after letting up on pedal they were good again for the next > few times and > then again all the way to the floorboard. It then seemed like they > would be > good for 2, 3 or 4 times and then all of a sudden the pedal would > bottom out > but right after letting up on the pedal the next push would be good. > > Any suggestions ?? Seems like master cylinder problem, not sure if > it is bad, > needs parts or something else .... > > > I was also looking on the Moss site at master cylinders and it > seems it > depends how old you cylinder is what parts are available. Are > there other > outlets for master cylinders or parts beside Moss ?? > > John in IL > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/ > kingseim at earthlink.net From jquilter at peoplepc.com Sun May 23 17:58:09 2010 From: jquilter at peoplepc.com (John F. Quilter) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 16:58:09 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] Break Failure References: <8CCC81FE29A4A1A-87C-21153@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sounds to me like you may have a master cylinder piston that is hanging up in the cylinder and not returning to its full "off" position. This prevents the pedal from getting the full stroke when you apply the brakes and gives the sensation of a resistance free pedal going to the floor. Remember there is a pedal return spring in addition to the return spring internal to the master cylinder. The brakes may also drag in this type situation. Make sure the internal return spring is in good shape and that there is no rust in the cylinder that is causing the piston to hang up. Sometimes the interval of time between brake applications will allow the piston to slowly return to its full off position thus giving you a very erratic brake operation. John F. Quilter Brisbane, California MGTD, Morris Minor, Austin America, etc. R ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:44 PM Subject: [Mg-t] Break Failure > Hi All, > > Last fall just before storage I lost the brakes on the TD and put off the > bleeding project til this spring. > > All went well in the bleeding process and my brakes pumped up well and > very > stiff to the push on the brake pedal. > > Went out for a cruise today and brakes worked fine the first few pushes on > the > pedal and then all the way to the floorboard the pedal went, good thing > for a > convenient emergency brake !!! > > Then after letting up on pedal they were good again for the next few times > and > then again all the way to the floorboard. It then seemed like they would > be > good for 2, 3 or 4 times and then all of a sudden the pedal would bottom > out > but right after letting up on the pedal the next push would be good. > > Any suggestions ?? Seems like master cylinder problem, not sure if it is > bad, > needs parts or something else .... > > > I was also looking on the Moss site at master cylinders and it seems it > depends how old you cylinder is what parts are available. Are there other > outlets for master cylinders or parts beside Moss ?? > > John in IL > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/jquilter at peoplepc.com From redscirocco at hotmail.com Wed May 26 12:13:59 2010 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts Message-ID: Anyone have thoughts on where to mount lap belts on a TF? The floor seems to be the best bet as far as I can see. The vertical area directly behind the seats seems a little too flimsy - just thin sheetmetal. Nothing seems optimal. Thanks, Mike Eldred Wilmington, VT _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From curt at roadstershop.net Wed May 26 13:29:55 2010 From: curt at roadstershop.net (Curt Curtiss) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:29:55 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, You are most likely going to end up taking out your floor boards to get to a solid area. I ended up mounting the outer belt to the body mounting bolt to the outer rear side of each seat which worked out very nicely, I had to put a slightly longer bolt in. On the tunnel side I had to do some strangness. If you look at my pictures you will see I drilled into the site of the solid tunnel ears on the back cross beam. With the floor boards out I threaded the seat belt up from the bottom of the car around the floor boards as I installed them and it worked out fine. You will see what I am talking about in pic IMG00136. http://curtiss.biz/gallery/5-Speed/IMG00136 http://curtiss.biz/gallery/5-Speed/CIMG1298 http://curtiss.biz/gallery/5-Speed/CIMG1307 Drop me a note if you need any better pictures. This was done on a 1955 TF 1500. Curt Curtiss On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Mike Eldred wrote: > Anyone have thoughts on where to mount lap belts on a TF? The floor seems to > be the best bet as far as I can see. The vertical area directly behind the > seats seems a little too flimsy - just thin sheetmetal. Nothing seems > optimal. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike Eldred > > Wilmington, VT > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 > 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/curt at roadstershop.net From mgbob at juno.com Wed May 26 14:15:35 2010 From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:15:35 GMT Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts Message-ID: <20100526.161535.27863.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> There does not seem to be an optimal site. Horst Schach (sp?)in his book on TD restoration, showed his installation of three-point belts. Some drill through the floorboards for the belt bolts and run it through a piece of band iron looped around the cross member. The challenge is to keep a passenger's head from smiting either wiper motor or glove box knob. Bob ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Mike Eldred To: Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:13:59 -0400 Anyone have thoughts on where to mount lap belts on a TF? The floor seems to be the best bet as far as I can see. The vertical area directly behind the seats seems a little too flimsy - just thin sheetmetal. Nothing seems optimal. Thanks, Mike Eldred Wilmington, VT _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob at juno.com From Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz Wed May 26 14:33:13 2010 From: Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz (Douglas Ormrod) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:33:13 +1200 Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A couple of us in New Zealand have used a modification of the 3 point belt layout shown in the Horst Schach book. Tunnel and floor mount just behind the door are the same. However the rear mount is on the top of the wheel arch rather in the back corner of the floor. Neater look. Steel "L" plates are attached to the inside of the wheel arch to support the belt-mounting nut which is welded to the underside of the plate. The "L" shaped strengthening plates are made in two parts and welded together. Top plate is curved to match wheel arch and the top side plate has a curved top edge. Cardboard templates were made and then the plate was laser cut and welded. Plates are attached by short allen headed screws and nuts - these don't show through the padding. Of course this was done before trimming. These were certified as satisfactory by local govt-certified hot rod inspectors. He commented that if you came to a stop with enough Gs to pull the plate through the wheel arch you would be dead anyway! Having said all that - I have still not got round to fitting the belts! Left them out because I wanted to do a couple of concourse while it was still pristine. Must do it this winter. Cheers Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Eldred Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 6:14 a.m. To: mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts Anyone have thoughts on where to mount lap belts on a TF? The floor seems to be the best bet as far as I can see. The vertical area directly behind the seats seems a little too flimsy - just thin sheetmetal. Nothing seems optimal. Thanks, Mike Eldred Wilmington, VT _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=P ID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/douglas.ormrod at neurological.o rg.nz _____________________________________________________________________________ _ This email has been scrubbed for your protection by SMX. For more information visit http://smxemail.com _____________________________________________________________________________ _ From felperg at earthlink.net Wed May 26 14:45:10 2010 From: felperg at earthlink.net (Gerald Felper) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:45:10 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts In-Reply-To: <20100526.161535.27863.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20100526.161535.27863.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <163823E5-2457-4F70-8133-9B9EB31CA4D2@earthlink.net> All I do not believe in seat belt in MGT cars unless you are racing. The steering wheel is pointed directly to my heart and if the car turns over the windshield will fold and if there is a passenger than there is no room for two people under the dash. I would rather be thorn out hanging on to the door, which will break off and be a sled. Jerry On May 26, 2010, at 1:15 PM, mgbob at juno.com wrote: > There does not seem to be an optimal site. Horst Schach (sp?)in his > book on > TD restoration, showed his installation of three-point belts. > Some drill through the floorboards for the belt bolts and run it > through a > piece of band iron looped around the cross member. > The challenge is to keep a passenger's head from smiting either > wiper motor > or glove box knob. > Bob > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Mike Eldred > To: > Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:13:59 -0400 > > Anyone have thoughts on where to mount lap belts on a TF? The floor > seems to > be the best bet as far as I can see. The vertical area directly > behind the > seats seems a little too flimsy - just thin sheetmetal. Nothing > seems > optimal. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike Eldred > > Wilmington, VT > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars > with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 > 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob at juno.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/felperg at earthlink.net > Gerald Felper Felper Engineering felperg at earthlink.net From drmoyce at ent-oakland.com Wed May 26 18:12:39 2010 From: drmoyce at ent-oakland.com (Andrew Moyce) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 17:12:39 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8995F275C1E3C749A710CEE5191D1AB13AE6EA@AHSDC.ent-oakland.local> I used extra long belts and anchored the rear directly to the frame just outboard of the side curtain box in my TD. The belt crosses the rear storage compartment just inside the wheel well indentation. I made little leather loops attached to the seat back screws at the shoulder to keep them from dropping down beside the door. Andy Moyce 52 TD -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Douglas Ormrod Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:33 PM To: Mike Eldred; mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Seat belts A couple of us in New Zealand have used a modification of the 3 point belt layout shown in the Horst Schach book. Tunnel and floor mount just behind the door are the same. However the rear mount is on the top of the wheel arch rather in the back corner of the floor. Neater look. Steel "L" plates are attached to the inside of the wheel arch to support the belt-mounting nut which is welded to the underside of the plate. The "L" shaped strengthening plates are made in two parts and welded together. Top plate is curved to match wheel arch and the top side plate has a curved top edge. Cardboard templates were made and then the plate was laser cut and welded. Plates are attached by short allen headed screws and nuts - these don't show through the padding. Of course this was done before trimming. These were certified as satisfactory by local govt-certified hot rod inspectors. He commented that if you came to a stop with enough Gs to pull the plate through the wheel arch you would be dead anyway! Having said all that - I have still not got round to fitting the belts! Left them out because I wanted to do a couple of concourse while it was still pristine. Must do it this winter. Cheers Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Eldred Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 6:14 a.m. To: mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts Anyone have thoughts on where to mount lap belts on a TF? The floor seems to be the best bet as far as I can see. The vertical area directly behind the seats seems a little too flimsy - just thin sheetmetal. Nothing seems optimal. Thanks, Mike Eldred Wilmington, VT _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=P ID283 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/douglas.ormrod at neurological.o rg.nz ________________________________________________________________________ _____ _ This email has been scrubbed for your protection by SMX. For more information visit http://smxemail.com ________________________________________________________________________ _____ _ ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/drmoyce at ent-oakland.com From Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz Wed May 26 19:07:08 2010 From: Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz (Douglas Ormrod) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:07:08 +1200 Subject: [Mg-t] FW: Seat belts Message-ID: Well it brobably comes down to probablity of being in a a crash serious enough to roll the car. In a crash where the car remails the right way up I think seat belts would be an advantage and reduce injury. You may be right about the roll over - but what % of accidents involve a roll over. I would suspect less than 10%. Anyone out there got the data? Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gerald Felper Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 8:45 a.m. To: mgbob at juno.com Cc: mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Seat belts All I do not believe in seat belt in MGT cars unless you are racing. The steering wheel is pointed directly to my heart and if the car turns over the windshield will fold and if there is a passenger than there is no room for two people under the dash. I would rather be thorn out hanging on to the door, which will break off and be a sled. Jerry On May 26, 2010, at 1:15 PM, mgbob at juno.com wrote: > There does not seem to be an optimal site. Horst Schach (sp?)in his > book on > TD restoration, showed his installation of three-point belts. > Some drill through the floorboards for the belt bolts and run it > through a > piece of band iron looped around the cross member. > The challenge is to keep a passenger's head from smiting either > wiper motor > or glove box knob. > Bob > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: Mike Eldred > To: > Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:13:59 -0400 > > Anyone have thoughts on where to mount lap belts on a TF? The floor > seems to > be the best bet as far as I can see. The vertical area directly > behind the > seats seems a little too flimsy - just thin sheetmetal. Nothing > seems > optimal. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike Eldred > > Wilmington, VT > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars > with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=P ID283 > 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mgbob at juno.com > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/felperg at earthlink.net > Gerald Felper Felper Engineering felperg at earthlink.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/douglas.ormrod at neurological.o rg.nz _____________________________________________________________________________ _ This email has been scrubbed for your protection by SMX. For more information visit http://smxemail.com _____________________________________________________________________________ _ From charleyrob at gmail.com Wed May 26 22:27:41 2010 From: charleyrob at gmail.com (Charley Robinson) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 00:27:41 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65197F72-BE69-4467-9508-549201D5C523@gmail.com> The June 1993 issue of the TSO ahs an article by Dave Raymond on installing seat belts in a 'T' car. Charley Robinson NY/Conn On May 26, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Mike Eldred wrote: > Anyone have thoughts on where to mount lap belts on a TF? The floor seems to > be the best bet as far as I can see. The vertical area directly behind the > seats seems a little too flimsy - just thin sheetmetal. Nothing seems > optimal. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike Eldred > > Wilmington, VT > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with > Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID283 > 26::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/charleyrob at gmail.com From shop at justbrits.com Fri May 28 17:39:46 2010 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:39:46 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C005442.7060409@justbrits.com> << You will see what I am talking about in pic IMG00136. >> By the "looks" of the pic Curt, sure does NOT look safe to me with the belt 'folded' over the steel piece and the past the edge of board !!! "Looks" like serious & pre-mature failure WILL occur ?!? Ed From shop at justbrits.com Fri May 28 17:50:33 2010 From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ") Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:50:33 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] XPAG motor Message-ID: <4C0056C9.1020907@justbrits.com> I need an Oil Pump for a '51 TD motor. Anybody have one or have an idea who might ?? TIA ! Ed From curt at roadstershop.net Fri May 28 18:09:46 2010 From: curt at roadstershop.net (Curt Curtiss) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:09:46 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts In-Reply-To: <4C005442.7060409@justbrits.com> References: <4C005442.7060409@justbrits.com> Message-ID: Unfortunatly the pictures do not do it justice, the metal that the belt is looped around is actually not sharp at all. I had the same inital concent but after investigation it is no shaper then the metal loop the belt is tied to from the belt factory. Where the belt overlaps the metal the belt is actually doubled up in material in that areas. I did put some protective material around the edge of the board to prevent the wood from tearing the belt in any way. Unfortunatly there is no real good spot so you do the best you can and at the end of the day it is better then no belts at all :) That is if you have the opinion belts are better then no belts :) Thanks for the concern! On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Shop at " Just Brits " wrote: > << You will see what I am talking about in pic IMG00136. >> > > By the "looks" of the pic Curt, sure does NOT look > safe to me with the belt 'folded' over the steel piece > and the past the edge of board !!! > > "Looks" like serious & pre-mature failure WILL occur ?!? > > Ed > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/curt at roadstershop.net From spook01 at comcast.net Fri May 28 18:34:57 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:34:57 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] =?utf-8?q?Seat_belts?= Message-ID: <20100529003346.91549187656@autox.team.net> Curt, Outside of welding in cross members, your method looks perfectly safe. Nearly any belt is better than none! There have been lots of fatalities in t cars over the years due to no seat belts. Gene Gillam and his wife of this list probably would have been far more badly injured In their cruzin the coast crash without the minimal protection of lap belts. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Curt Curtiss" Date: Fri, May 28, 2010 19:09 Subject: [Mg-t] Seat belts To: "Shop at Just Brits" Cc: Unfortunatly the pictures do not do it justice, the metal that the belt is looped around is actually not sharp at all. I had the same inital concent but after investigation it is no shaper then the metal loop the belt is tied to from the belt factory. Where the belt overlaps the metal the belt is actually doubled up in material in that areas. I did put some protective material around the edge of the board to prevent the wood from tearing the belt in any way. Unfortunatly there is no real good spot so you do the best you can and at the end of the day it is better then no belts at all :) That is if you have the opinion belts are better then no belts :) Thanks for the concern! On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Shop at " Just Brits " wrote: > << You will see what I am talking about in pic IMG00136. >> > > By the "looks" of the pic Curt, sure does NOT look > safe to me with the belt 'folded' over the steel piece > and the past the edge of board !!! > > "Looks" like serious & pre-mature failure WILL occur ?!? > > Ed > ______________________________________________ > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/curt at roadstershop.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/spook01 at comcast.net From spook01 at comcast.net Fri May 28 18:45:35 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:45:35 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] =?utf-8?q?XPAG_motor?= Message-ID: <20100529004424.3A04F187656@autox.team.net> Ed, let me look for an early pump next week when I get home. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Shop at \ Just Brits \" Date: Fri, May 28, 2010 18:50 Subject: [Mg-t] XPAG motor To: "4 - MG Ts" I need an Oil Pump for a '51 TD motor. Anybody have one or have an idea who might ?? TIA ! Ed ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/spook01 at comcast.net From Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz Fri May 28 19:23:10 2010 From: Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz (Douglas Ormrod) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 13:23:10 +1200 Subject: [Mg-t] FW: [zzzzzMg-t] Seat belts Message-ID: A combination of dylexia and spell checker! Douglas ________________________________ From: Shop at " Just Brits " [mailto:shop at justbrits.com] Sent: Saturday, 29 May 2010 11:49 a.m. To: Douglas Ormrod Subject: Re: [zzzzzMg-t] Seat belts Doug, might I ask..... << Left them out because I wanted to do a couple of concourse while it was still pristine. >> WHY do you want to 'do' shopping malls or hotel balcony's with a MGT Series car ?? Ed _____________________________________________________________________________ _ This email has been scrubbed for your protection by SMX. For more information visit http://smxemail.com _____________________________________________________________________________ _ From sportscarpilot at aol.com Fri May 28 20:45:20 2010 From: sportscarpilot at aol.com (sportscarpilot at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 22:45:20 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] parts Message-ID: <8CCCCF01D05BC10-1590-3CC0@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com> Hi mgt list, I am looking for a left front fender (armstrong shock) and running board for a TD. If you have or know of one please e-mail me directly. Thanks, Vern From spook01 at comcast.net Sat May 29 05:28:26 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 06:28:26 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] =?utf-8?q?parts?= Message-ID: <20100529112714.8E69A18786D@autox.team.net> I have a pair of factory NOS running boards for theTD. Not home now, but will be on Tuesday. Ray Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: sportscarpilot at aol.com Date: Fri, May 28, 2010 21:45 Subject: [Mg-t] parts To: Hi mgt list, I am looking for a left front fender (armstrong shock) and running board for a TD. If you have or know of one please e-mail me directly. Thanks, Vern ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/spook01 at comcast.net From spook01 at comcast.net Sat May 29 05:28:48 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 06:28:48 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] =?utf-8?q?FW=3A_=5BzzzzzMg-t=5D_Seat_belts?= Message-ID: <20100529112737.57EAE18786D@autox.team.net> Well, on the balcony, you can set your drink on the windshield when you need to reload. Assuming you remembered how to fold it! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Douglas Ormrod" Date: Fri, May 28, 2010 20:23 Subject: [Mg-t] FW: [zzzzzMg-t] Seat belts To: A combination of dylexia and spell checker! Douglas ________________________________ From: Shop at " Just Brits " [mailto:shop at justbrits.com] Sent: Saturday, 29 May 2010 11:49 a.m. To: Douglas Ormrod Subject: Re: [zzzzzMg-t] Seat belts Doug, might I ask..... << Left them out because I wanted to do a couple of concourse while it was still pristine. >> WHY do you want to 'do' shopping malls or hotel balcony's with a MGT Series car ?? Ed _____________________________________________________________________________ _ This email has been scrubbed for your protection by SMX. For more information visit http://smxemail.com _____________________________________________________________________________ _ ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/spook01 at comcast.net