From PopeyMike at aol.com  Thu Apr  1 12:46:17 2010
From: PopeyMike at aol.com (PopeyMike at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 15:46:17 EDT
Subject: [Mg-t] MGB 1989
Message-ID: <b3aef.296fb448.38e65209@aol.com>

I have a 1953 MG TD and write to this site once in a while - great place  
and very knowledgeable.
 
Now I saw a 1989 MGB original paint, never accident, new tires, factory  
air, excellent condition, no rust, always garaged, carpets, seats all 
original,  located in Houston Texas, 2nd owner  they want $8900.00
 
In your esteemed professional opinion what would yous guys offer????
 
Need eveyone's advise.
 
Michael Balahutrak
1953 MG TD

From lawrie at britcars.com  Thu Apr  1 14:26:32 2010
From: lawrie at britcars.com (Lawrie Alexander)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 14:26:32 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] MGB 1989
References: <b3aef.296fb448.38e65209@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5C1DC5B765B145BB96061D5C251D1D77@shop>

Michael ....

I'd be very suspicious of a 1989 MGB! The factory discontinued MGBs in 
1980........

A 1969 in that condition would be a very good buy indeed, a 1980 only if the 
car has overdrive.

Lawrie
British Sportscar Center

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Cc: <sales at justbrits.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:46 PM
Subject: [Mg-t] MGB 1989


>I have a 1953 MG TD and write to this site once in a while - great place
> and very knowledgeable.
>
> Now I saw a 1989 MGB original paint, never accident, new tires, factory
> air, excellent condition, no rust, always garaged, carpets, seats all
> original,  located in Houston Texas, 2nd owner  they want $8900.00
>
> In your esteemed professional opinion what would yous guys offer????
>
> Need eveyone's advise.
>
> Michael Balahutrak
> 1953 MG TD
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From PopeyMike at aol.com  Thu Apr  1 16:22:19 2010
From: PopeyMike at aol.com (PopeyMike at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 19:22:19 EDT
Subject: [Mg-t] MGB 1989
Message-ID: <be590.2aab25e1.38e684ab@aol.com>

hey guys:
 
 
Sorry I meant 1980.
Thanks for correction - actually I just wanted to see if everyone was awake 
 - everyone so far chastized me for that error.
 
Michael

 
 
In a message dated 4/1/2010 3:34:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
PopeyMike at aol.com writes:

I have a  1953 MG TD and write to this site once in a while - great place  
and  very knowledgeable.

Now I saw a 1989 MGB original paint, never  accident, new tires, factory  
air, excellent condition, no rust,  always garaged, carpets, seats all 
original,  located in Houston  Texas, 2nd owner  they want $8900.00

In your esteemed professional  opinion what would yous guys offer????

Need eveyone's  advise.

Michael Balahutrak
1953 MG  TD
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From TATERRY at aol.com  Thu Apr  1 17:34:42 2010
From: TATERRY at aol.com (TATERRY at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 20:34:42 EDT
Subject: [Mg-t] MGB 1989
Message-ID: <49cb3.4c792fbb.38e695a2@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/1/2010 3:03:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
lawrie at britcars.com writes:


> I'd be very suspicious of a 1989 MGB! The factory discontinued MGBs in 
> 1980........
> 
> A 1969 in that condition would be a very good buy indeed, a 1980 only if 
> the 
> car has overdrive.
> 
> 

I agree with Lawrie, but if its a '79, be careful depending on what your 
state smog laws are.......any thing in the late '70's here in California is a 
problem smog wise.
Terry in Oakland</HTML>

From shop at justbrits.com  Tue Apr  6 18:33:37 2010
From: shop at justbrits.com (Shop at " Just Brits ")
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:33:37 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] [Fwd: ___ugeye/___rogeye Club..... help!  Not LBC.]
Message-ID: <4BBBD2E1.607@justbrits.com>

Folks, below is a request from a pal of mine "Down Under"
that is only on [poor chap -:) ] yahoogroups Lists.  I AM
totally jealous of the bike he is considering however he
needs a "LBC Hand".

Location is very close to Stockton, CA.  Please write
Colin direct but be so kind as to CC me.

TIA !!

Ed
************************************************************
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... help! Not 
LBC.............................
Date: 	Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:32:31 +1000
From: 	Colin Dodds <colin at spriteparts.com.au>
Reply-To: 	bugeye at yahoogroups.___
To: 	



 

G'day guys

I'm thinking of buying a bike and shipping it Down Under. A 1947 Indian 
Chief,
since you asked. I need someone to look at the bike on my behalf, and 
tell me:
a) it exists;
b) it runs; and
c) it is as described.

The bike I'm currently looking at is in Manteca CA, and if I buy it I 
need to get
it to Wilmington CA.

Is there anyone near Manteca and willing to help? If so, I would really
appreciate it. Please contact me Colin at SpriteParts.com.au 
<mailto:Colin%40SpriteParts.com.au>.

thanks, and avagoodday
www.SpriteParts.com.au




__,_._,___

From clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  7 00:53:46 2010
From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com (Clive Sherriff)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:53:46 +0100
Subject: [Mg-t] Motorcycle help - The Fastest Indian
References: <4BBBD2E1.607@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <56E5ACED7B2B4E3A958F01E68039C407@cypress>

Sorry I cant help on this, but if any list members have 
not seen the film The Fastest Indian, about the life 
story of New Zealander Burt Munro, who spent years 
building and developing a 1920 Indian motorcycle -
- a bike which helped him set the land-speed world 
record at Utah's Bonneville Salt Flats in 1967, then 
you are missing a treat.

Clive
Oxford UK
=========================================
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shop at " Just Brits "" <shop at justbrits.com>

> Folks, below is a request from a pal of mine "Down Under"
> that is only on [poor chap -:) ] yahoogroups Lists.  I AM
> totally jealous of the bike he is considering however he
> needs a "LBC Hand".
> 
> Location is very close to Stockton, CA.  Please write
> Colin direct but be so kind as to CC me.
> 
> TIA !!
> 
> Ed
> ************************************************************
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... help! Not 
> LBC.............................
> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:32:31 +1000
> From: Colin Dodds <colin at spriteparts.com.au>
> Reply-To: bugeye at yahoogroups.___
> To: 
>
> 
> G'day guys
> 
> I'm thinking of buying a bike and shipping it Down Under. A 1947 Indian 
> Chief,
> since you asked. I need someone to look at the bike on my behalf, and 
> tell me:
> a) it exists;
> b) it runs; and
> c) it is as described.
> 
> The bike I'm currently looking at is in Manteca CA, and if I buy it I 
> need to get
> it to Wilmington CA.
> 
> Is there anyone near Manteca and willing to help? If so, I would really
> appreciate it. Please contact me Colin at SpriteParts.com.au 
> <mailto:Colin%40SpriteParts.com.au>.
> 
> thanks, and avagoodday
> www.SpriteParts.com.au

From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Apr  7 06:01:44 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Wed,  7 Apr 2010 06:01:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mg-t] =?utf-8?q?Motorcycle_help_-_The_Fastest_Indian?=
Message-ID: <20100407120144.5FF4B18767F@autox.team.net>

Excellent movie, clive!

Best, ray
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Clive Sherriff" <clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 7, 2010 01:53
Subject: [Mg-t] Motorcycle help - The Fastest Indian
To: "Shop at  Just Brits" <shop at justbrits.com>, "4 - Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>, "4 - Jensen-Cars" <jensen-cars at british-steel.org>, "4 - MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>, "4 -MG Ts" <mg-t at autox.team.net>, "4 - Spridgets" <spridgets at autox.team.net>

Sorry I cant help on this, but if any list members have not seen the film The Fastest Indian, about the life story of New Zealander Burt Munro, who spent years building and developing a 1920 Indian motorcycle -
- a bike which helped him set the land-speed world record at Utah's Bonneville Salt Flats in 1967, then you are missing a treat.

Clive
Oxford UK
=========================================
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shop at " Just Brits "" <shop at justbrits.com>

> Folks, below is a request from a pal of mine "Down Under"
> that is only on [poor chap -:) ] yahoogroups Lists.  I AM
> totally jealous of the bike he is considering however he
> needs a "LBC Hand".
> > Location is very close to Stockton, CA.  Please write
> Colin direct but be so kind as to CC me.
> > TIA !!
> > Ed
> ************************************************************
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... help! Not > LBC.............................
> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:32:31 +1000
> From: Colin Dodds <colin at spriteparts.com.au>
> Reply-To: bugeye at yahoogroups.___
> To: >
> > G'day guys
> > I'm thinking of buying a bike and shipping it Down Under. A 1947 Indian > Chief,
> since you asked. I need someone to look at the bike on my behalf, and > tell me:
> a) it exists;
> b) it runs; and
> c) it is as described.
> > The bike I'm currently looking at is in Manteca CA, and if I buy it I > need to get
> it to Wilmington CA.
> > Is there anyone near Manteca and willing to help? If so, I would really
> appreciate it. Please contact me Colin at SpriteParts.com.au > <mailto:Colin%40SpriteParts.com.au>.
> > thanks, and avagoodday
> www.SpriteParts.com.au
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From peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr  7 05:37:27 2010
From: peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net (peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:37:27 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] Motorcycle help - The Fastest Indian
References: <20100407120144.5FF4B18767F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <A81AD785A64740B2B7F82BDF1DBBC2A7@OURS>

BTW, if you're looking it up, it is The World's Fastest Indian, starring 
Anthony Hopkins.
One of the best for repeated watchings!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <spook01 at comcast.net>
To: "Clive Sherriff" <clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com>; "Shop at Just Brits" 
<shop at justbrits.com>; "4 - Healeys" <healeys at autox.team.net>; "4 - 
Jensen-Cars" <jensen-cars at british-steel.org>; "4 - MG List" 
<mgs at autox.team.net>; "4 -MG Ts" <mg-t at autox.team.net>; "4 - Spridgets" 
<spridgets at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Motorcycle help - The Fastest Indian


> Excellent movie, clive!
>
> Best, ray
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Clive Sherriff" <clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com>
> Date: Wed, Apr 7, 2010 01:53
> Subject: [Mg-t] Motorcycle help - The Fastest Indian
> To: "Shop at  Just Brits" <shop at justbrits.com>, "4 - Healeys" 
> <healeys at autox.team.net>, "4 - Jensen-Cars" 
> <jensen-cars at british-steel.org>, "4 - MG List" <mgs at autox.team.net>, 
> "4 -MG Ts" <mg-t at autox.team.net>, "4 - Spridgets" 
> <spridgets at autox.team.net>
>
> Sorry I cant help on this, but if any list members have not seen the film 
> The Fastest Indian, about the life story of New Zealander Burt Munro, who 
> spent years building and developing a 1920 Indian motorcycle -
> - a bike which helped him set the land-speed world record at Utah's 
> Bonneville Salt Flats in 1967, then you are missing a treat.
>
> Clive
> Oxford UK
> =========================================
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shop at " Just Brits "" 
> <shop at justbrits.com>
>
>> Folks, below is a request from a pal of mine "Down Under"
>> that is only on [poor chap -:) ] yahoogroups Lists.  I AM
>> totally jealous of the bike he is considering however he
>> needs a "LBC Hand".
>> > Location is very close to Stockton, CA.  Please write
>> Colin direct but be so kind as to CC me.
>> > TIA !!
>> > Ed
>> ************************************************************
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Bugeye/Frogeye Club..... help! Not > 
>> LBC.............................
>> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 08:32:31 +1000
>> From: Colin Dodds <colin at spriteparts.com.au>
>> Reply-To: bugeye at yahoogroups.___
>> To: >
>> > G'day guys
>> > I'm thinking of buying a bike and shipping it Down Under. A 1947 Indian 
>> >  > Chief,
>> since you asked. I need someone to look at the bike on my behalf, and > 
>> tell me:
>> a) it exists;
>> b) it runs; and
>> c) it is as described.
>> > The bike I'm currently looking at is in Manteca CA, and if I buy it I > 
>> > need to get
>> it to Wilmington CA.
>> > Is there anyone near Manteca and willing to help? If so, I would really
>> appreciate it. Please contact me Colin at SpriteParts.com.au > 
>> <mailto:Colin%40SpriteParts.com.au>.
>> > thanks, and avagoodday
>> www.SpriteParts.com.au
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From feold3 at mac.com  Wed Apr  7 11:21:55 2010
From: feold3 at mac.com (Chip Old)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:21:55 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] Motorcycle help - The Fastest Indian
In-Reply-To: <A81AD785A64740B2B7F82BDF1DBBC2A7@OURS>
Message-ID: <C7E23773.D5B7%feold3@mac.com>

On 4/7/10 7:37 AM, "peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net" <peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> BTW, if you're looking it up, it is The World's Fastest Indian, starring
> Anthony Hopkins.
> One of the best for repeated watchings!

Excellent movie. If you get it on DVD one of the extra features is "Burt
Munro - Offerings To The God Of Speed", a 1971 documentary about the real
Burt Monro. He was best known in the US for the records he set at Bonneville
with his Indian, but he also raced a highly modified Velocette MSS which is
of more interest to me.

-- 
Chip Old
Cub Hill, Maryland, US
feold3 at mac.com
1948 M.G. TC TC6710

From Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz  Wed Apr  7 16:50:18 2010
From: Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz (Douglas Ormrod)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 10:50:18 +1200
Subject: [Mg-t] Motorcycle help - The Fastest Indian
In-Reply-To: <C7E23773.D5B7%feold3@mac.com>
References: <A81AD785A64740B2B7F82BDF1DBBC2A7@OURS>
	<C7E23773.D5B7%feold3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D90EBE7D0FC5544994DE4B0D5283EC4417C286@NFSVR01.neurological.local>

Also the book that goes with the film is excellent - the film is kind of
abridged - by necessity of course. He made many trips to the US and the
technical details in the book are interesting to chaps and chapesses
like us.

His name was actually Bert, but youse Amuricans don't have a lot of
Bert's and people mistook it for Burt - and he kind of liked it so took
it on.

Douglas
>From the land of the Worlds Fastest Indian

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Chip Old
Sent: Thursday, 8 April 2010 5:22 a.m.
To: MG-T
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Motorcycle help - The Fastest Indian

On 4/7/10 7:37 AM, "peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net"
<peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> BTW, if you're looking it up, it is The World's Fastest Indian,
starring
> Anthony Hopkins.
> One of the best for repeated watchings!

Excellent movie. If you get it on DVD one of the extra features is "Burt
Munro - Offerings To The God Of Speed", a 1971 documentary about the
real
Burt Monro. He was best known in the US for the records he set at
Bonneville
with his Indian, but he also raced a highly modified Velocette MSS which
is
of more interest to me.

--
Chip Old
Cub Hill, Maryland, US
feold3 at mac.com
1948 M.G. TC TC6710
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From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 13 08:43:40 2010
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:43:40 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Four Angry Cylinders
In-Reply-To: <48A000133223479099DF7B8B7F72C902@EricJRussellPC>
References: <48A000133223479099DF7B8B7F72C902@EricJRussellPC>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W411162B0DB865E5D82A531B7110@phx.gbl>

Thanks for that, Eric. Hilarious.



This is the most accurate description of starting a T-type I've ever heard:



"Starting the Shiftright Special is much like firing up any more ordinary TC.
One turns the ignition key to the ON position, theoretically activating the
Lucas electrical system. Then, using one free hand, the choke knob is pulled
out vigorously, until the dashboard begins to groan in protest, and then it is
retracted ever so slightly; with the other free hand, the starter pull knob is
also pulled; and with the last free hand, the gearshift is positioned into
neutral. This is the preferred method, since having both feet firmly planted
on the floor rather than on gas and clutch gives the driver the firm purchase
necessary to overpower the choke and starter cables."



and this:

"Ultimately, though, we will probably have to rely on quoting Karl Ludvigsen,
who seems to have intuitively grasped the TC design better than anyone else,
when he suggested the image of 'a coffin riding on four harps.'"




 http://www.roadandtrack.com/special_feature/1949-mg-tc-four-angry-cylinders



-Mike Eldred

Wilmington, VT
'54 MG TF

'73 MG Midget



> From: ejrussell at mebtel.net
> To: mgs at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:12:20 -0400
> Subject: [Mgs] Four Angry Cylinders
>
> Road & Track drives the Shiftright Special.
>
> http://www.roadandtrack.com/special_feature/1949-mg-tc-four-angry-cylinders
>
> <quote>
> It is nothing short of remarkable that this car even exists today. The 1949
MG
> TC was certainly not built with the idea that it would be still running
many
> decades later. It is for this reason, for instance, that modern
skyscrapers,
> tunnels and freeways are not made of wood. Nonetheless, the TC was
certainly
> built to a purpose - to get a person from one place to another as
> uncomfortably as humanly possible has been suggested as the motive.
</quote>
>
> Eric Russell
> Mebane, NC
> http://home.mebtel.net/~ejrussell
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From jvk52td at aol.com  Thu Apr 15 14:24:11 2010
From: jvk52td at aol.com (jvk52td at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:24:11 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] Brake Fluid
Message-ID: <8CCAAF0BE779C2D-DF0-108FD@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com>

I am having a hard time finding Castrol GT-LMA" brake fluid for the TD.  None
of the chain type parts stores Auto Zone / Bumper to Bumper / Advance /
OReilly  are carring the Castrol brand.   Is this still being made ???

Thanks,

John in Decatur, IL

From ddubois at sinclair.net  Fri Apr 16 00:43:13 2010
From: ddubois at sinclair.net (Dave and Liz DuBois)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:43:13 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] Brake Fluid
In-Reply-To: <8CCAAF0BE779C2D-DF0-108FD@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCAAF0BE779C2D-DF0-108FD@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4BC80701.6010704@sinclair.net>

 From what I have been told, Moss Motors still carry Castrol LMA.  Keep 
in mind that all DOT 4 brake fluid is LMA by definition so you can get 
the same fluid under other brands.

Cheers,
Dave

From kingseim at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 16 06:57:11 2010
From: kingseim at earthlink.net (John Seim)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:57:11 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] Brake Fluid
In-Reply-To: <8CCAAF0BE779C2D-DF0-108FD@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CCAAF0BE779C2D-DF0-108FD@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <EE040415-9652-4CE1-8AE5-601075295636@earthlink.net>

Pep Boys sells Castrol GT/LMA brake fluid.
Last quart I bought was $8.99. Price has doubled in the past 5 years.
You could go to the Castrol website, and search for a dealer in your  
area,
if you don't have Pep Boys.

Autozone does not, O'Reilly/Kragen does not. Depends on what the chain
wants to carry. Autozone - Bosch oil filters. O'Reilly - Fram oil  
filters.
But, Autozone is the go to for the low pressure fuel pump, made by  
Airtex, and
sold under the Masters brand. Part no. E-8016S.

John Seim
Irvine, CA

On Apr 15, 2010, at 1:24 PM, jvk52td at aol.com wrote:

> I am having a hard time finding Castrol GT-LMA" brake fluid for the  
> TD.  None
> of the chain type parts stores Auto Zone / Bumper to Bumper /  
> Advance /
> OReilly  are carring the Castrol brand.   Is this still being made ???
>
> Thanks,
>
> John in Decatur, IL

From richard.kleihorst at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 19 01:15:28 2010
From: richard.kleihorst at yahoo.com (Richard)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:15:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mg-t] dual brake system
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1271440803.11199.mg-t@autox.team.net>
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Has anyone ever modified a TD to a dual brake system?

Richard


 

From PopeyMike at aol.com  Mon Apr 19 13:16:32 2010
From: PopeyMike at aol.com (PopeyMike at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:16:32 EDT
Subject: [Mg-t] dual brake system
Message-ID: <8a5f0.3a095d5.38fe0610@aol.com>

Why would you want to do that?  If emergency brake works correctly -  then 
inn effect you are ok.
 
Dual brake systems did not come into general use till the 1970's - somehow  
all the cars before that managed to drive on the road with a single  system.
 
I say all this above - to dispel any fears - by no means am I trying to say 
 that single systems are the only way to go - nor am I saying that dual 
systems  are a must - of course dual systems do provide secondary backup - but 
so does  the emergency brake.
 
Take my wisdom for what its worth - which ain't much.
 
Michael Balahutrak
53 TD
______________________________________
 
 
In a message dated 4/19/2010 2:37:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
richard.kleihorst at yahoo.com writes:

Has  anyone ever modified a TD to a dual brake  system?

Richard



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From peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 19 17:35:30 2010
From: peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net (peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:35:30 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] dual brake system
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Hi Richard,
    Sincerely, I agree with Mike. I mean, let's face it, you've got more to 
worry about with your average F-250 Ford hitting you in the spare tire and 
blowing the gas tank right behind your shoulders. And we don't hear much 
about those incidents either. I'm not a statistician, but I'd say the odds 
of needing a dual braking system are low, compared with other dangers of 
driving a 50 year old car with no safety features. But then, I ride a 
motorcycle too. Gotta love the little British cars!

Not being snide,
    Pete Thiel
'53 MG TD
'00 Jaguar XJ8
'70 Norton Commando
etc., etc

P.S. How about just better brakes in general?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <PopeyMike at aol.com>
To: <richard at kleihorst.com>; <mg-t at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] dual brake system


> Why would you want to do that?  If emergency brake works correctly -  then
> inn effect you are ok.
>
> Dual brake systems did not come into general use till the 1970's - somehow
> all the cars before that managed to drive on the road with a single 
> system.
>
> I say all this above - to dispel any fears - by no means am I trying to 
> say
> that single systems are the only way to go - nor am I saying that dual
> systems  are a must - of course dual systems do provide secondary backup - 
> but
> so does  the emergency brake.
>
> Take my wisdom for what its worth - which ain't much.
>
> Michael Balahutrak
> 53 TD
> ______________________________________
>
>
> In a message dated 4/19/2010 2:37:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> richard.kleihorst at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Has  anyone ever modified a TD to a dual brake  system?
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________

From jquilter at peoplepc.com  Mon Apr 19 20:55:02 2010
From: jquilter at peoplepc.com (John F. Quilter)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:55:02 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] dual brake system
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I would tend to agree with the nay sayers about converting an MGTD to a dual 
brake system.  The modifications whatever they are will introduce new and 
unproven engineering that may in itself have its own problems and 
reliability issues.  Just stay with your stock system, make sure your hoses 
are in good shape and check the brake fluid level every so often to verify 
no slow loss of fluid from a wheel cylinder or master cylinder.

John F. Quilter
Brisbane, California

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <PopeyMike at aol.com>; <mg-t at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] dual brake system


> Hi Richard,
>    Sincerely, I agree with Mike. I mean, let's face it, you've got more to 
> worry about with your average F-250 Ford hitting you in the spare tire and 
> blowing the gas tank right behind your shoulders. And we don't hear much 
> about those incidents either. I'm not a statistician, but I'd say the odds 
> of needing a dual braking system are low, compared with other dangers of 
> driving a 50 year old car with no safety features. But then, I ride a 
> motorcycle too. Gotta love the little British cars!
>
> Not being snide,
>    Pete Thiel
> '53 MG TD
> '00 Jaguar XJ8
> '70 Norton Commando
> etc., etc
>
> P.S. How about just better brakes in general?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <PopeyMike at aol.com>
> To: <richard at kleihorst.com>; <mg-t at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] dual brake system
>
>
>> Why would you want to do that?  If emergency brake works correctly - 
>> then
>> inn effect you are ok.
>>
>> Dual brake systems did not come into general use till the 1970's - 
>> somehow
>> all the cars before that managed to drive on the road with a single 
>> system.
>>
>> I say all this above - to dispel any fears - by no means am I trying to 
>> say
>> that single systems are the only way to go - nor am I saying that dual
>> systems  are a must - of course dual systems do provide secondary 
>> backup - but
>> so does  the emergency brake.
>>
>> Take my wisdom for what its worth - which ain't much.
>>
>> Michael Balahutrak
>> 53 TD
>> ______________________________________
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 4/19/2010 2:37:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> richard.kleihorst at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Has  anyone ever modified a TD to a dual brake  system?
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
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From mgcharlie at comcast.net  Tue Apr 20 06:50:07 2010
From: mgcharlie at comcast.net (Charlie Baldwin)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:50:07 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] dual brake system
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I agree that it would certainly not be the first safety upgrade that I 
would make and probably never do it.  The single thing that I've done to 
the brakes on my TD that makes a large difference is to convert to front 
disc brakes.  It was a night and day conversion and I had the 
intermediate step of having MGA 1500 drum brakes on it for many years 
which were better than the stock brakes.  When I converted to MGA 1600 
disc brakes I went from driving on eggs, leaving large spaces between 
the car ahead and me to driving it like my everyday car.  Actually the 
large spaces ahead only encouraged other drivers to pull out in front of 
me making it even less safe.
You can also convert a TD using MGB front discs, but it is more 
difficult.  Either conversion is easiest if you also convert to wire 
wheels which I did.
Charlie

John F. Quilter wrote:
> I would tend to agree with the nay sayers about converting an MGTD to 
> a dual brake system.  The modifications whatever they are will 
> introduce new and unproven engineering that may in itself have its own 
> problems and reliability issues.  Just stay with your stock system, 
> make sure your hoses are in good shape and check the brake fluid level 
> every so often to verify no slow loss of fluid from a wheel cylinder 
> or master cylinder.
>
> John F. Quilter
> Brisbane, California
>
>
>
>
>> In a message dated 4/19/2010 2:37:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
>> richard.kleihorst at yahoo.com writes:
>>> Has  anyone ever modified a TD to a dual brake  system?
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
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>>
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From drmoyce at ent-oakland.com  Tue Apr 20 12:38:40 2010
From: drmoyce at ent-oakland.com (Andrew Moyce)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:38:40 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] dual brake system
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I haven't been following this thread too closely, but I put a vacuum
servo, stock from Mini Mania into my TD and it made a big difference.  I
mounted mine on the left bulkhead, moving the horn and voltage regulator
around to make room.  If I had it to do over, I would mount it above the
rear axle. It needs a vacuum attachment from the intake manifold (I
drilled and tapped with a standard 1/4" plumbing nipple), and brake
lines to run between the master cylinder to the booster and back to the
T connector.  My vacuum hose is rubber but I would probably use copper
tubing if running to the rear. The car stops with less pedal pressure,
but the drum brakes still fade on long downhills.

Andy Moyce
52 TD.

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Charlie Baldwin
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:50 AM
To: John F. Quilter
Cc: MG T List
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] dual brake system

I agree that it would certainly not be the first safety upgrade that I
would make and probably never do it.  The single thing that I've done to

the brakes on my TD that makes a large difference is to convert to front

disc brakes.  It was a night and day conversion and I had the
intermediate step of having MGA 1500 drum brakes on it for many years
which were better than the stock brakes.  When I converted to MGA 1600
disc brakes I went from driving on eggs, leaving large spaces between
the car ahead and me to driving it like my everyday car.  Actually the
large spaces ahead only encouraged other drivers to pull out in front of

me making it even less safe.
You can also convert a TD using MGB front discs, but it is more
difficult.  Either conversion is easiest if you also convert to wire
wheels which I did.
Charlie

John F. Quilter wrote:
> I would tend to agree with the nay sayers about converting an MGTD to
> a dual brake system.  The modifications whatever they are will
> introduce new and unproven engineering that may in itself have its own

> problems and reliability issues.  Just stay with your stock system,
> make sure your hoses are in good shape and check the brake fluid level

> every so often to verify no slow loss of fluid from a wheel cylinder
> or master cylinder.
>
> John F. Quilter
> Brisbane, California
>
>
>
>
>> In a message dated 4/19/2010 2:37:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> richard.kleihorst at yahoo.com writes:
>>> Has  anyone ever modified a TD to a dual brake  system?
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz  Tue Apr 20 14:39:04 2010
From: Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz (Douglas Ormrod)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:39:04 +1200
Subject: [Mg-t] dual brake system
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If you wanted to invest some time and money into uprating the braking
system you could convert to silicone fluid. Does not improve the
stopping, but does not absorb water so you can pretty well forget about
it - once you have stopped all the leaks - which can be a mission
because silicone is more leaky than the original fluid. But it is an
opportunity to renew all the seals and hoses, resleeve the cylinders
etc.

Douglas



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On Behalf Of Andrew Moyce
Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2010 6:39 a.m.
To: MG T List
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] dual brake system

I haven't been following this thread too closely, but I put a vacuum
servo, stock from Mini Mania into my TD and it made a big difference.  I
mounted mine on the left bulkhead, moving the horn and voltage regulator
around to make room.  If I had it to do over, I would mount it above the
rear axle. It needs a vacuum attachment from the intake manifold (I
drilled and tapped with a standard 1/4" plumbing nipple), and brake
lines to run between the master cylinder to the booster and back to the
T connector.  My vacuum hose is rubber but I would probably use copper
tubing if running to the rear. The car stops with less pedal pressure,
but the drum brakes still fade on long downhills.

Andy Moyce
52 TD.

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From richard at kleihorst.com  Wed Apr 21 00:44:11 2010
From: richard at kleihorst.com (Richard Kleihorst)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:44:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mg-t] Fw: Re:  dual brake system
Message-ID: <8416.8379.qm@web112417.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Richard

--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Richard Kleihorst <richard at kleihorst.com> wrote:


From: Richard Kleihorst <richard at kleihorst.com>
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] dual brake system
To: PopeyMike at aol.com
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 8:43 AM







Hi Michael,
 
a dual system enables me to spread the brake work over some time without
taking the car off the road. I can remove the rear brake components, renovate
them on the bench and plug the lines so I can drive with the front brakes only
vise versa.
 
Is the term "emergency brake" or "parking brake"?
Once I commented to a classic car dealer in the states (while
negotiating a '66 Mustang)
that the emergency brake was non-functional. His comment was: "that is
acceptable, you only need it in an emergency". 

Richard

--- On Mon, 4/19/10, PopeyMike at aol.com <PopeyMike at aol.com> wrote:



Why would you want to do that?  If emergency brake works correctly - then inn
effect you are ok.
 
Dual brake systems did not come into general use till the 1970's - somehow all
the cars before that managed to drive on the road with a single system.
 

 

From richard at kleihorst.com  Wed Apr 21 00:58:10 2010
From: richard at kleihorst.com (Richard Kleihorst)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:58:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mg-t] MG TD dual brakes
Message-ID: <539827.31526.qm@web112414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Peter,
 
the odds for a Ford pick-up truck hitting a T-Type are extremely low in
Belgium, although here the average car is large (because of the taxation
system) an MG-TD has the size of a medium sized car here. The dual brakes is
just for piece of mind. I have driven home without brakes a couple of times
and fortunately never had the experience of a sudden failure.
 
But odds are strong that you notice the failure just when you have to
brake....
And everybody knows the story of TerriAnn who had to jump out of her Ford
going over the cliff.
 
For the safety of the gastank on the back, my next question will be how to
modify the MG to MG-TD=MG-Turbo Diesel.   

Richard

From richard at kleihorst.com  Wed Apr 21 01:22:15 2010
From: richard at kleihorst.com (Richard Kleihorst)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:22:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mg-t] dual brake system
Message-ID: <623120.29116.qm@web112417.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Charlie, 
 
And that is what I don't understand, how come disc brakes give more braking
performance?
Apart from less prone to fading and dust, disc brakes should be worse than
drum brakes.
 
Drum brakes are self-powering, the leading shoe forces itself to the drum when
braking. Also the swept area is much larger than the pads of the disc brakes.
Disc brakes have less play in the system and that is what improves the feel.
But because of disc brakes they also had to introduce vacuum power boosters?
All large trucks/lorries are drum brakes because they give more braking
performance.
 
On my "old green rover" I have the stock drum brakes but I added a vacuum
booster (and modified to dual brakes) to even improve the pressure more. Now
even with heavy trailers,
it brakes strong.
 
 
On the MG-TD, If I wanted to keep the drum brakes but go to dual, the lines of
the rear and front are coming together close to the master, isn't it? So this
could be done without hacking the system.
Actually it is a pitty that MG went to hydraulic brakes so soon. The
advantages of a Singer roadster is that with its mechanical system, it brakes
even after staying for 10 years, the linkage just needs a lube and no
spilling, topping up checking of DOT3, LMA,...
 
>From: Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net>
>QSubject: Re: [Mg-t] dual brake system
>To: "John F. Quilter" <jquilter at peoplepc.com>
>Cc: MG T List <mg-t at autox.team.net>
>Message-ID: <4BCDA2FF.300 at comcast.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>I agree that it would certainly not be the first safety upgrade that I
>would make and probably never do it.  The single thing that I've done to
>the brakes on my TD that makes a large difference is to convert to front
>disc brakes.  It was a night and day conversion and I had the
>intermediate step of having MGA 1500 drum brakes on it for many years
>which were better than the stock brakes.  When I converted to MGA 1600
>disc brakes I went from driving on eggs, leaving large spaces between
>the car ahead and me to driving it like my everyday car.  Actually the
>large spaces ahead only encouraged other drivers to pull out in front of
>me making it even less safe.

From jbenajes at mot.upv.es  Wed Apr 21 02:15:33 2010
From: jbenajes at mot.upv.es (Jesus Benajes)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:15:33 +0200
Subject: [Mg-t] dual brake system
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AFAIK disc brakes have less braking power than drums in similar decent
conditions. The combination with servo braking systems makes the former more
powerful and the resistance to fading makes them superior when brakes get
hot, which can happen very often.

BTW, driving only with the rear brakes operative is much like driving with
no brakes at all. You can make the test by trying to brake with the so
called "emergency brake"....

Jeszs


> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] En
> nombre de Richard Kleihorst
> Enviado el: miircoles, 21 de abril de 2010 9:22
> Para: mg-t at autox.team.net
> Asunto: Re: [Mg-t] dual brake system
>
> Hi Charlie,
>
> And that is what I don't understand, how come disc brakes give more
> braking
> performance?
> Apart from less prone to fading and dust, disc brakes should be worse
> than
> drum brakes.
>
> Drum brakes are self-powering, the leading shoe forces itself to the
> drum when
> braking. Also the swept area is much larger than the pads of the disc
> brakes.
> Disc brakes have less play in the system and that is what improves the
> feel.
> But because of disc brakes they also had to introduce vacuum power
> boosters?
> All large trucks/lorries are drum brakes because they give more braking
> performance.
>
> On my "old green rover" I have the stock drum brakes but I added a
> vacuum
> booster (and modified to dual brakes) to even improve the pressure
> more. Now
> even with heavy trailers,
> it brakes strong.
>
>
> On the MG-TD, If I wanted to keep the drum brakes but go to dual, the
> lines of
> the rear and front are coming together close to the master, isn't it?
> So this
> could be done without hacking the system.
> Actually it is a pitty that MG went to hydraulic brakes so soon. The
> advantages of a Singer roadster is that with its mechanical system, it
> brakes
> even after staying for 10 years, the linkage just needs a lube and no
> spilling, topping up checking of DOT3, LMA,...
>
> >From: Charlie Baldwin <mgcharlie at comcast.net>
> >QSubject: Re: [Mg-t] dual brake system
> >To: "John F. Quilter" <jquilter at peoplepc.com>
> >Cc: MG T List <mg-t at autox.team.net>
> >Message-ID: <4BCDA2FF.300 at comcast.net>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >I agree that it would certainly not be the first safety upgrade that I
> >would make and probably never do it.  The single thing that I've done
> to
> >the brakes on my TD that makes a large difference is to convert to
> front
> >disc brakes.  It was a night and day conversion and I had the
> >intermediate step of having MGA 1500 drum brakes on it for many years
> >which were better than the stock brakes.  When I converted to MGA 1600
> >disc brakes I went from driving on eggs, leaving large spaces between
> >the car ahead and me to driving it like my everyday car.  Actually the
> >large spaces ahead only encouraged other drivers to pull out in front
> of
> >me making it even less safe.

From mgbob at juno.com  Wed Apr 21 08:55:32 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:55:32 GMT
Subject: [Mg-t] dual brake system
Message-ID: <20100421.105532.11219.2@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

Doug,
  Though I made the change to silicone fluid for my TD years ago, I would not
do it again.
  When first installed, I found that it leaked at the wheel cylinders whereas
the old fluid did not leak. Rebuilding the wheel cylinders with new rubbers
solved the leaking, for then.
  Though silicone fluid does not absorb water, water does still condense in
the system thanks to the vented cap on the master cylinder. It then gets
pumped around and ends up as globs of water at the wheel cylinders. If they
are not regularly bled out, the water corrodes the wheel cylinders.  One
should bleed the system annually, just enough to get clear, clean fluid at the
wheels.
  When it does leak, it ruins the brake shoes. If there is just a bit of DOT 3
or 4 on the shoes, it can be scrubbed out, but the silicone fluid is in the
shoes to stay.
  Although I was enthusiastic about it initially, that enthusiasm has  waned.
Bob



---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Douglas Ormrod" <Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz>
To: "MG T List" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] dual brake system
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:39:04 +1200

If you wanted to invest some time and money into uprating the braking
system you could convert to silicone fluid. Does not improve the
stopping, but does not absorb water so you can pretty well forget about
it - once you have stopped all the leaks - which can be a mission
because silicone is more leaky than the original fluid. But it is an
opportunity to renew all the seals and hoses, resleeve the cylinders
etc.

Douglas



-----Original Message-----
From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Andrew Moyce
Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2010 6:39 a.m.
To: MG T List
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] dual brake system

I haven't been following this thread too closely, but I put a vacuum
servo, stock from Mini Mania into my TD and it made a big difference.  I
mounted mine on the left bulkhead, moving the horn and voltage regulator
around to make room.  If I had it to do over, I would mount it above the
rear axle. It needs a vacuum attachment from the intake manifold (I
drilled and tapped with a standard 1/4" plumbing nipple), and brake
lines to run between the master cylinder to the booster and back to the
T connector.  My vacuum hose is rubber but I would probably use copper
tubing if running to the rear. The car stops with less pedal pressure,
but the drum brakes still fade on long downhills.

Andy Moyce
52 TD.

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From mgbob at juno.com  Wed Apr 21 09:01:20 2010
From: mgbob at juno.com (mgbob at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:01:20 GMT
Subject: [Mg-t] Fw: Re:  dual brake system
Message-ID: <20100421.110120.11219.3@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

   The TD's hand brake will stop the wheels, locking them without much effort
on the lever.  Whether the wheels then stop the car is the question. 60
percent, or so, of the stopping is done by front wheels. If it's to be thought
of as an emergency brake, one should choose the emergency carefully.
Bob


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Richard Kleihorst <richard at kleihorst.com>
To: mg-t at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mg-t] Fw: Re:  dual brake system
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:44:11 -0700 (PDT)

Richard

--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Richard Kleihorst <richard at kleihorst.com> wrote:


From: Richard Kleihorst <richard at kleihorst.com>
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] dual brake system
To: PopeyMike at aol.com
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 8:43 AM







Hi Michael,

a dual system enables me to spread the brake work over some time without
taking the car off the road. I can remove the rear brake components, renovate
them on the bench and plug the lines so I can drive with the front brakes
only
vise versa.

Is the term "emergency brake" or "parking brake"?
Once I commented to a classic car dealer in the states (while
negotiating a '66 Mustang)
that the emergency brake was non-functional. His comment was: "that is
acceptable, you only need it in an emergency".

Richard

--- On Mon, 4/19/10, PopeyMike at aol.com <PopeyMike at aol.com> wrote:



Why would you want to do that?  If emergency brake works correctly - then inn
effect you are ok.

Dual brake systems did not come into general use till the 1970's - somehow
all
the cars before that managed to drive on the road with a single system.



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From cgmoog at attglobal.net  Wed Apr 21 15:21:20 2010
From: cgmoog at attglobal.net (cgmoog at attglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:21:20 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] dual brake system
In-Reply-To: <623120.29116.qm@web112417.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <623120.29116.qm@web112417.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Trucks are changing to disc to meet newer shorter stopping distance 
requirements (here in the states).

Other than self-powering and possibly lighter weight, I see no advantage 
to drums.

Richard Kleihorst wrote:

> All large trucks/lorries are drum brakes because they give more braking
> performance.