From sales at justbrits.com Thu Oct 1 02:31:05 2009 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:31:05 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] ANTI LBC - Australian Road Trains - with music!!] Message-ID: <4AC468C9.7040302@justbrits.com> This is a post by a chap who has a Sprite Shop in Oz !!! I found SO 'WOW' & interesting I am hosting it. FYI & FWIW & NFI< Etc., Etc., Etc., yada, yada, yada !!! **************************************************************************************** From: midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com [mailto:midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Colin Dodds Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:51 PM To: midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com ; bugeye at yahoogroups.com Subject: [midgetsprite] ANTI LBC - Australian Road Trains - with music!! G'day all You've been warned by the topic - this is about as far as you can get from Little British Cars. However, I was so warmed by your reception of Eric Idle's song, I thought I should share this presentation with you. Oz is a big Country with a small population and poor rail transport. We move stuff around the Outback with "Road Trains" - one prime mover (or sometime two coupled) with two, three or more carriages hooked on behind. Click on this link, kindly hosted by Ed, for some of our Road Trains. Click Enter to move forward during the presentation. Notice the "roo bars" on the prime mover. They are to protect the radiator and body from errant kangaroos, but also to give a little protection from damage caused by buffalo. We have many packs of wild water buffalo in Northern Australia. The buffalo like to sleep at night on the roads, as the hot tar keeps them warm. They're black, just like the road, and hard to see. Hitting a 3 ton buffalo at 60 mph makes a mess of the truck. > Ed says: Power Point Viewer is required and if you don't have, do a Google for PPV and it will take you to a Microsoft D/L site !!!!! Enjoy, and avagoodday Colin www.SpriteParts.com.au __,_._,___ From scvc70 at epix.net Fri Oct 2 15:47:42 2009 From: scvc70 at epix.net (Carr&Edwards) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:47:42 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] TD muffler Message-ID: <70428DF6AECB4D71A7B27CE3085DA6AC@computer624080> Can anyone give me the measurements of a stock TD muffler? It's time to replace mine (non-original); we've found one that looks familiar in one of the storage sheds, and I think it's one I bought many years ago but I'm not sure. Canister is 25-1/4" long, 5-3/8" in diameter; the inlet end has 2 studs, approx. 3-1/4" O.C. Thanks in advance, Sarah Carr TD3942EXLU in PA From sales at justbrits.com Sat Oct 3 19:52:18 2009 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:52:18 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] [Jensen-cars] good info In-Reply-To: <85h0df$65lm3v@smtp.mailfilter4.ihug.co.nz> References: <85h0df$65lm3v@smtp.mailfilter4.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <4AC7FFD2.50805@justbrits.com> This is GOSPEL and sort of LBC 'related' !!! Ed From sales at justbrits.com Sat Oct 3 19:56:23 2009 From: sales at justbrits.com (Sales at " Just Brits ") Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:56:23 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] [Jensen-cars] good info In-Reply-To: <4AC7FFD2.50805@justbrits.com> References: <85h0df$65lm3v@smtp.mailfilter4.ihug.co.nz> <4AC7FFD2.50805@justbrits.com> Message-ID: <4AC800C6.4080404@justbrits.com> I suppose it might help if I included a LINK !!!! Sorry. http://www.mopar1.us/commandments.html From mgcharlie at comcast.net Sun Oct 4 09:46:06 2009 From: mgcharlie at comcast.net (Charlie Baldwin) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:46:06 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] MGA for sale Message-ID: <4AC8C33E.1010609@comcast.net> A local man contacted me wanting help with selling his '56 MGA. He is older and doesn't want to use it any more. It is an older restoration, but was not driven much since being restored. It is a 1500 model, red with tan interior. It looks very nice and starts easily and runs well. He said that the top and side curtains were new when the car was restored. The car will need some minor detailing. I noticed that the edges of the door panels around the hole inside are coming loose. Also the master cylinder leaked on the paint on the shelf under the hood. Other cosmetic work in the engine compartment will be necessary. I have some pictures which I can email out to anyone interested. He is asking $25,000, but is very motivated and willing to negotiate. He wants to sell it fairly quickly. The car is located in York, PA. Call John Myers at 717-741-1659. He does not have email, so you must call. You can come to Fall Hershey and drive home in an MGA. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of mgcharlie.vcf] From scvc70 at epix.net Mon Oct 5 08:34:27 2009 From: scvc70 at epix.net (Carr&Edwards) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:34:27 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] anyone going to AACA Hershey? Message-ID: If anyone on the list is planning to go to Hershey this week, stop and visit with us at CU 40 - 41 (British flag overhead). Miscellaneous British (mostly MG & Healey) stuff. Also, this is your last chance to see the "Sports Car in America" exhibit at the AACA Museum (just north of the flea market, on Rt. 39). Alas, only one MG (a TC--though the poster has 2 MGs and 1 Corvette!) but a really wide assortment of vehicles [list at www.aacamuseum.org/exhibitions]. There's also a great exhibit of competition motorcycles, 1908-present, for those of you who like 2 wheels as well as 4. Sarah Carr (TD3942EXLU) and Durl Edwards (MGC) From kingseim at earthlink.net Thu Oct 8 06:46:03 2009 From: kingseim at earthlink.net (John Seim) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:46:03 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] Vintage MG Club of Southern California ALL MG Parts Exchange In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <900FA43A-9946-4687-8078-1B33C17B9528@earthlink.net> Sherwood, et al, The 36th annual ALL MG Parts Exchange will take place on Sunday, November 22, 2009. Location: College Park, College of Communications 2600 E. Nutwood Ave., (across the street from California State University at Fullerton) Fullerton, Ca. Time: 7:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. General admission is $5.00 per person. Cars for Sale area will be set aside. $20.00 space fee for parking. On site parking. Vendor spaces are $20.00 for the first parking space; $10.00 for each space thereafter. Food Booth on premises. Joe Jost's Pickled Eggs. Am working to still have available the Original Tommy's chili. For more information, flyer, driving directions, and lodging, please go to the website: Thanks, John Seim On Oct 7, 2009, at 5:30 PM, SHERWOOD L PARKER wrote: > John, > > Would you happen to have the particulars on this year's Parts > Exchange in Fullerton, CA? > > thx, > > sherwood From go2ghill at aol.com Thu Oct 8 14:09:38 2009 From: go2ghill at aol.com (go2ghill at aol.com) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:09:38 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Leaking drain plug Message-ID: <8CC166A65D34EF5-4528-11F93@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> I 'm having touble?with the gas tank drain plug leaking.?To correct the problem, I?replaced?the copper washer with a new one, but it still leaks. Any suggestions on how to fix? Greg Hill 1950 TD From tmcnam4510 at aol.com Thu Oct 8 15:22:28 2009 From: tmcnam4510 at aol.com (TMcnam4510) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:22:28 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Leaking drain plug In-Reply-To: <8CC166A65D34EF5-4528-11F93@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC166A65D34EF5-4528-11F93@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8dbb0109.539d.41e7.a6bf.7d3fc931ad4b@aol.com> Go to a hardware or department store and get some "Seals-All." As they say, "works a treat." Tom TC 2850 In a message dated 10/08/09 16:45:53 Eastern Daylight Time, go2ghill writes: I 'm having touble?with the gas tank drain plug leaking.?To correct the problem, I?replaced?the copper washer with a new one, but it still leaks. Any suggestions on how to fix? Greg Hill 1950 TD _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From Jonathan.Hermance at ATK.COM Thu Oct 8 15:56:55 2009 From: Jonathan.Hermance at ATK.COM (Hermance, Jonathan) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:56:55 -0600 Subject: [Mg-t] Leaking drain plug In-Reply-To: <8CC166A65D34EF5-4528-11F93@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC166A65D34EF5-4528-11F93@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Greg, For a temporary 3 to 12 month fix, rub a thick film of Fels-Naptha laundry soap all over the area of the leak. Not pretty but it should keep the gas off the floor. Jon SLC UT TC TD TF -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of go2ghill at aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:10 PM To: mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Leaking drain plug I 'm having touble?with the gas tank drain plug leaking.?To correct the problem, I?replaced?the copper washer with a new one, but it still leaks. Any suggestions on how to fix? Greg Hill 1950 TD From Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz Thu Oct 8 19:35:02 2009 From: Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz (Douglas Ormrod) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:35:02 +1300 Subject: [Mg-t] Leaking drain plug In-Reply-To: <8CC166A65D34EF5-4528-11F93@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC166A65D34EF5-4528-11F93@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Are you sure it is actually leaking at the plug? And not somewhere else and just dripping off the low point? Happened to me. Cheers Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of go2ghill at aol.com Sent: Friday, 9 October 2009 9:10 a.m. To: mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-t] Leaking drain plug I 'm having touble?with the gas tank drain plug leaking.?To correct the problem, I?replaced?the copper washer with a new one, but it still leaks. Any suggestions on how to fix? Greg Hill 1950 TD Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From ddubois at sinclair.net Thu Oct 8 20:10:13 2009 From: ddubois at sinclair.net (Dave and Liz DuBois) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:10:13 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] Leaking drain plug In-Reply-To: <8CC166A65D34EF5-4528-11F93@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC166A65D34EF5-4528-11F93@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4ACE9B85.1080508@sinclair.net> Greg, If the leak is in fact the drain plug and not something higher on the tank as Doug suggest, RectoSeal 5, sold anywhere that carries plumbing supplies will stop the leak if you apply it to the plug threads. This is the stuff I use on fuel pump fittings that defy any other fix. Cheers, Dave From kingseim at earthlink.net Fri Oct 9 07:33:25 2009 From: kingseim at earthlink.net (John Seim) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 06:33:25 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] Leaking drain plug In-Reply-To: <8CC166A65D34EF5-4528-11F93@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC166A65D34EF5-4528-11F93@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <80CEBB84-7953-4B17-B0D6-977EF78FECA3@earthlink.net> Use a fiber washer. You could use some thread sealant as well, but should not be required with a fiber washer. John Seim Irvine, CA On Oct 8, 2009, at 1:09 PM, go2ghill at aol.com wrote: > I 'm having touble?with the gas tank drain plug leaking.?To correct > the problem, I?replaced?the copper washer with a new one, but it > still leaks. Any suggestions on how to fix? > > > > Greg Hill > > 1950 TD > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From PopeyMike at aol.com Sat Oct 10 08:44:22 2009 From: PopeyMike at aol.com (PopeyMike at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:44:22 EDT Subject: [Mg-t] Leaking drain plug Message-ID: Also use yellow teflon tape for gas leaks. This is thicker tape then the white for water or the blue styles. The leak can also be from the sending unit and there is a gasoline resistant gasket sealer to be applied to the surface made by Locktite/permatex High tack #98H or Aviation #3H. Aviation worked for me. Michael Balahutrak 53 TD, Houston, TX P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail *************************************************************************** In a message dated 10/8/2009 9:31:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ddubois at sinclair.net writes: Greg, If the leak is in fact the drain plug and not something higher on the tank as Doug suggest, RectoSeal 5, sold anywhere that carries plumbing supplies will stop the leak if you apply it to the plug threads. This is the stuff I use on fuel pump fittings that defy any other fix. Cheers, Dave Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From TATERRY at aol.com Wed Oct 14 13:24:37 2009 From: TATERRY at aol.com (TATERRY at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:24:37 EDT Subject: [Mg-t] Rusty nuts Message-ID: A friend sent me this....interesting!! Terry in Oakland For those who do their own restoration work, here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing..................... 516 pounds WD-40....................... 238 pounds PB Blaster................ 214 pounds Liquid Wrench......... 127 pounds Kano Kroil............... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix..... 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price From Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz Wed Oct 14 16:12:14 2009 From: Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz (Douglas Ormrod) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:12:14 +1300 Subject: [Mg-t] Rusty nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting. Acetone is highly flammable and volatile so if you went that way I think you would have to make it up fresh each time. Nail polish remover is mostly acetone. Douglas -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TATERRY at aol.com Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2009 8:25 a.m. To: mg-t at autox.team.net; mg-mmm at autox.team.net; mg-tabc at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Mg-t] Rusty nuts A friend sent me this....interesting!! Terry in Oakland For those who do their own restoration work, here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing..................... 516 pounds WD-40....................... 238 pounds PB Blaster................ 214 pounds Liquid Wrench......... 127 pounds Kano Kroil............... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix..... 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From redscirocco at hotmail.com Wed Oct 14 16:39:42 2009 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:39:42 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Rusty nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Where can I get my nuts "scientifically rusted?" :D -Mike Eldred 1954 MG TF 1973 MG Midget > From: TATERRY at aol.com > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:24:37 -0400 > To: mg-t at autox.team.net; mg-mmm at autox.team.net; mg-tabc at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Mg-t] Rusty nuts > > A friend sent me this....interesting!! > Terry in Oakland > > For those who do their own restoration work, here's some interesting > comparisons on penetrating oils. > > Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out > torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular > penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a > "scientifically rusted" environment. > > > > *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* > > > Nothing..................... 516 pounds > > > WD-40....................... 238 pounds > > > PB Blaster................ 214 pounds > > > Liquid Wrench......... 127 pounds > > > Kano Kroil............... 106 pounds > > > ATF-Acetone mix..... 53 pounds > > > > The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission > fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial > product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as > good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From ddubois at sinclair.net Wed Oct 14 20:39:20 2009 From: ddubois at sinclair.net (Dave and Liz DuBois) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-t] Rusty nuts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1556.75.92.178.86.1255574360.squirrel@webmail.donobi.net> I wonder what size bolt and nut was used in this experiment since most bolts on our cars would shear off long before 516 ftlbs was reached (often the quickest and most expedient method of dealing with rusted fasteners as long as a replacement is easily obtained. Also, one of the best method I have come across for getting stuck fasteners loose is to heat the joint as hot as possible and then touch candle wax to the joint, then let it cool and pull the wax into the joint. Most of the time this works very well. Cheers, Dave > A friend sent me this....interesting!! > Terry in Oakland > > For those who do their own restoration work, here's some interesting > comparisons on penetrating oils. > > Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out > torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular > penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut > from a > "scientifically rusted" environment. > > > > *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* > > > Nothing..................... 516 pounds > > > WD-40....................... 238 pounds > > > PB Blaster................ 214 pounds > > > Liquid Wrench......... 127 pounds > > > Kano Kroil............... 106 pounds > > > ATF-Acetone mix..... 53 pounds > > > > The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission > fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial > product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is > about as > good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From scvc70 at epix.net Mon Oct 19 15:44:23 2009 From: scvc70 at epix.net (Carr&Edwards) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:44:23 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] TD Colors References: <002c01ca297c$ebccc6f0$c36654d0$@net> Message-ID: <57694803F2A24771A2F16CB2D4C1DAB4@computer624080> Gene -- Does Dave need a new hood for the car? We have a nice, straight one with center strip and latches--------- Sarah Carr TD3942EXLU (#4062) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Fodor" To: Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: [Mg-t] TD Colors > Listers . > > A week or so ago I asked for help on colors of the TD's oil filter, etc. > So > many responded and I thank you all again. > > > > The request for was a friend, Dave Sander who is rebuilding the TD. And > one > of our listers sent a note saying, "Gene - Don't keep your secret, at > least > share. THX...Mick" > > I asked Dave if it was OK to share this story hand he agreed that it was. > > > > So, here's the rest of the story: Dave is rebuilding the TD that Frank > Churchill the co-founder of the New England MGT Resister was killed in a > number of years ago but seem like only yesterday. > > > > It is a full ground up restoration with a lot of welding and straightening > going on. This is not only a rebuild/restoration it is a project of love. > So, now you know the rest of the story. > > > > Gene > > Vermont > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From scvc70 at epix.net Mon Oct 19 20:13:25 2009 From: scvc70 at epix.net (Carr&Edwards) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:13:25 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Johns Marks/Vintage Restorations Message-ID: <3745CF62D8B44AA684590547CA762E2F@S0026273562> I received the following yesterday from the mg-mmm list, and felt it should be passed on: Hello Group, My good friend, John Marks of Vintage Restorations, has been wrestling with the thought of retirement for the past few years. Unfortunately for us, after 42 years, that time has now come. John's knowledge of Triple-M, T-Series, and even up through modern MGA-B instruments is second to none. Plus, those of you fortunate enough to have met John through the years already know he and his wife Monica are simply world class folks. John's dedication to "getting it right" can be seen on many of our dashboards around the world, in addition to many cars that many of us can only dream about outside our MG world. Some of John's retirement reasons say it best in edited excerpts from his email to me Friday...... _____________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ ............Dick and I started trading in 1967, and 2009 has been a awful year due to friends, colleagues, and employees retiring, dying, or ill ! Seven funerals since October 2008! Now it is time to decide. 'Officialdom' has become overwhelming with more new Customs regulations on work coming in from overseas, to the degree that I would probably have to insist on items being sent to us through a shipping agent, rather than post and UPS, all of which ends up costing as much and more than the work involved is worth. Paperwork returning goods to prove export without VAT is just as bad! Yet in spite of the recession we are overloaded with work and turning jobs away. So regrettably, after months of consideration and many restless nights, I have finally decided to close the business Vintage Restorations. Some jobs in hand will be returned as received, others where practical we will complete. This applies to jobs worldwide. Somehow, I have to get the message across to stop sending parcels to us unannounced. I have today asked DMR, the host of the MG car club Web Site, to 'delete us' and put a note on informing the situation. Will you please write a short note to this effect on the mg-tabc at yahoogroups.com and the Triple M register? We see every day the mail and discussions on mg-tabc at yahoogroups.com hosted by Jim Shade. I would prefer not to be flooded with emails or phone calls, so could you ask Jim to remove us from this link (immediately, please), and those who are in contact can remain so. The rest I prefer not to hear about!! Quite a decision after forty two years, but John (Whiteman), my remaining engineer retires next year, so even if I did find someone out of three million unemployed, it only prolongs the agony, and I cannot get any time off for 'family'... The (end of track) buffers are in sight. Has to come!!! All gettin older'....... _____________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________ Folks, note that John has asked to not be flooded with emails. John is quite content knowing he has done his very best Smith's & British Jaeger work in those years, while realizing there are always going to be a few "soreheads" that come along with any job. Also, note that John would like to be removed from the TABC List immediately. If you have been planning on sending a job to John - large or small, DO NOT. He is not preprared to go through the paperword involved to get the job in, and quite literally, their staff is now down to the very minimum. Any packages will be returned regardless of its origins. That's the retirement news. Tom Metcalf www.safetyfastrestoration.com in cold but sunny Mansfield, Ohio