From crownwheel at surfglobal.net  Fri May  1 06:59:19 2009
From: crownwheel at surfglobal.net (Gene Fodor)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:59:19 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] magazine question
In-Reply-To: <c41.5961d4a8.372bc786@aol.com>
References: <c41.5961d4a8.372bc786@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003001c9ca5c$a4f54830$eedfd890$@net>

The Sacred Octagon back issues are available from me. Members are $5.ea.,
and non-members are $8 - check accepted. Out of USA there is postage charged
and CC are accepted - no CC for US orders.
Gene
Vermont

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of TATERRY at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:33 PM
To: sumton at sbcglobal.net; Mg-t at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] magazine question

In a message dated 4/30/2009 8:23:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
sumton at sbcglobal.net writes:


> is there a national magazine that focuses on T cars?
> 

The Sacred Octagon, news magazine of the New England MG T Register....see 
their web site.  Otherwise, books or UK MGCC T Register.
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From crownwheel at surfglobal.net  Fri May  1 07:01:17 2009
From: crownwheel at surfglobal.net (Gene Fodor)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:01:17 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
In-Reply-To: <C3F778E47DB94BC7A04369E716D22958@yourpd3mh0abgs>
References: <20090422.095914.712.6.MGBOB@juno.com>,
	<DBA58F8FED8A4AA791F23DF84BB65379@OURS>,
	<004301c9c3be$10a19fc0$2101a8c0@peoplepc>,
	<26AF80320057441C8F1A710A86604BF2@OURS>,
	<a2c981b90904241845n5ea2b79cl3860d1c1f91a509f@mail.gmail.com>,
	<A3D66C50B94D41E8819760E2736297D6@cypress>,
	<72817FA1-484B-42D6-9C66-3B22C01F6FD9@sbcglobal.net>
	<b30d3a19.484d.439d.bfc9.3673d291a917@aol.com>
	<C3F778E47DB94BC7A04369E716D22958@yourpd3mh0abgs>
Message-ID: <003101c9ca5c$ecc6bfe0$c6543fa0$@net>

Which reminds me - did you read about the "push-by" shooting in London?
Two guys pushing a "T" type... LOL

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of spook01
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:22 PM
To: rbhouston; Duvall Video Productions; CliveSherriff
Cc: MG T List
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws

OK, that's it.  Let's talk about only MG's....machine guns.  that is to say,

REAL assault weapons.

"The U.N. is a place where governments opposed to free speech demand to be 
heard."
- Alfred E. Neuman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rbhouston" <rbhouston at aol.com>
To: "Duvall Video Productions" <duvallcom at sbcglobal.net>; "CliveSherriff" 
<clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com>
Cc: "MG T List" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws


> Actually it all depends on whose definition you use.  The US anti-gun 
> folks classify any semi automatic weapon as an assault weapon.  My old 
> 50's Remington 20 gauge shotgun, deadly only to doves in season, would 
> classify under some of the descriptions.
>
> Also, at this time, semi-automatic versions of the AK47, M16, and many 
> others are not illegal in the US.
>
> Several new derivatives of the M16 introduced in the 70's, are designed 
> for hunting or target shooting.
>
> Sorry to chime in late and all, but I couldn't resist.
>
> Robert Houston....usually about now someone will tell us to only talk 
> about MGs....
>
>
>
> In a message dated 04/25/09 10:28:32 Mountain Daylight Time, 
> duvallcom at sbcglobal.net writes:
> It was a joke Clive.  Assault weapons are illegal in the US and the US
> media, who generally are clueless to facts and do no research, call
> every gun an assault weapon.
>
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:29 AM, Clive Sherriff wrote:
>
>> Hey John,
>>
>> Just love the concept of your assault rifle being in the catagory
>> of  "sporting implements"........
>>
>> Clive
>> Oxford UK
>> ===============================
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JohnD" <johnsfolly at gmail.com>
>> To: <peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net>
>> Cc: "MG T List" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
>>
>>
>>> I doubt the government will make me give up a perfectly roadworthy
>>> MGTD.
>>> They'll probably take away my assault rifle and other sporting
>>> implements
>>> first.  . . . . . . . . .  :-)
>>> -John Deikis
>>> Motown
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Fri May  1 08:56:06 2009
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:56:06 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
References: <20090422.095914.712.6.MGBOB@juno.com>,
	<DBA58F8FED8A4AA791F23DF84BB65379@OURS>,
	<004301c9c3be$10a19fc0$2101a8c0@peoplepc>,
	<26AF80320057441C8F1A710A86604BF2@OURS>,
	<a2c981b90904241845n5ea2b79cl3860d1c1f91a509f@mail.gmail.com>,
	<A3D66C50B94D41E8819760E2736297D6@cypress>,
	<72817FA1-484B-42D6-9C66-3B22C01F6FD9@sbcglobal.net>
	<b30d3a19.484d.439d.bfc9.3673d291a917@aol.com>
	<C3F778E47DB94BC7A04369E716D22958@yourpd3mh0abgs>
	<003101c9ca5c$ecc6bfe0$c6543fa0$@net>
Message-ID: <1587CB36042C4BC88EB3E23A9C0EE80E@yourpd3mh0abgs>

I heard they were pushing a Triumph!!  ;-)
MG indeed.  A scandalous slur!
Best,
Ray

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gene Fodor" <crownwheel at surfglobal.net>
To: "'spook01'" <spook01 at comcast.net>; "'rbhouston'" <rbhouston at aol.com>; 
"'Duvall Video Productions'" <duvallcom at sbcglobal.net>; "'CliveSherriff'" 
<clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com>
Cc: "'MG T List'" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:01 AM
Subject: RE: [Mg-t] scrappage laws


> Which reminds me - did you read about the "push-by" shooting in London?
> Two guys pushing a "T" type... LOL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of spook01
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:22 PM
> To: rbhouston; Duvall Video Productions; CliveSherriff
> Cc: MG T List
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
>
> OK, that's it.  Let's talk about only MG's....machine guns.  that is to 
> say,
>
> REAL assault weapons.
>
> "The U.N. is a place where governments opposed to free speech demand to be
> heard."
> - Alfred E. Neuman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "rbhouston" <rbhouston at aol.com>
> To: "Duvall Video Productions" <duvallcom at sbcglobal.net>; "CliveSherriff"
> <clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com>
> Cc: "MG T List" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
>
>
>> Actually it all depends on whose definition you use.  The US anti-gun
>> folks classify any semi automatic weapon as an assault weapon.  My old
>> 50's Remington 20 gauge shotgun, deadly only to doves in season, would
>> classify under some of the descriptions.
>>
>> Also, at this time, semi-automatic versions of the AK47, M16, and many
>> others are not illegal in the US.
>>
>> Several new derivatives of the M16 introduced in the 70's, are designed
>> for hunting or target shooting.
>>
>> Sorry to chime in late and all, but I couldn't resist.
>>
>> Robert Houston....usually about now someone will tell us to only talk
>> about MGs....
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 04/25/09 10:28:32 Mountain Daylight Time,
>> duvallcom at sbcglobal.net writes:
>> It was a joke Clive.  Assault weapons are illegal in the US and the US
>> media, who generally are clueless to facts and do no research, call
>> every gun an assault weapon.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:29 AM, Clive Sherriff wrote:
>>
>>> Hey John,
>>>
>>> Just love the concept of your assault rifle being in the catagory
>>> of  "sporting implements"........
>>>
>>> Clive
>>> Oxford UK
>>> ===============================
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JohnD" <johnsfolly at gmail.com>
>>> To: <peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Cc: "MG T List" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
>>>
>>>
>>>> I doubt the government will make me give up a perfectly roadworthy
>>>> MGTD.
>>>> They'll probably take away my assault rifle and other sporting
>>>> implements
>>>> first.  . . . . . . . . .  :-)
>>>> -John Deikis
>>>> Motown
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
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>>
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From emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May  1 23:45:13 2009
From: emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk (David Lodge)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 05:45:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
In-Reply-To: <C3F778E47DB94BC7A04369E716D22958@yourpd3mh0abgs>
Message-ID: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Wildly off topic, but there was a thing on the telly the other night about
some blokes in South Carolina(?) firing off AK47s on a range.  Aren't they
assault weapons?  Also type MG into eBay and you'll get MG 34 and MG 42 so
beloved of the Wehrmacht.

Regards, Lodge


--- On Fri, 1/5/09, spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
> To: "rbhouston" <rbhouston at aol.com>, "Duvall Video Productions"
<duvallcom at sbcglobal.net>, "CliveSherriff" <clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com>
> Cc: "MG T List" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, 1 May, 2009, 4:22 AM
> OK, that's it.  Let's talk about only
> MG's....machine guns.  that is to say, REAL assault
> weapons.
>
> "The U.N. is a place where governments opposed to free
> speech demand to be heard."
> - Alfred E. Neuman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rbhouston"
> <rbhouston at aol.com>
> To: "Duvall Video Productions"
> <duvallcom at sbcglobal.net>; "CliveSherriff"
> <clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com>
> Cc: "MG T List" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
>
>
> > Actually it all depends on whose definition you use.
> The US anti-gun folks classify any semi automatic weapon as
> an assault weapon.  My old 50's Remington 20 gauge
> shotgun, deadly only to doves in season, would classify
> under some of the descriptions.
> >
> > Also, at this time, semi-automatic versions of the
> AK47, M16, and many others are not illegal in the US.
> >
> > Several new derivatives of the M16 introduced in the
> 70's, are designed for hunting or target shooting.
> >
> > Sorry to chime in late and all, but I couldn't
> resist.
> >
> > Robert Houston....usually about now someone will tell
> us to only talk about MGs....
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 04/25/09 10:28:32 Mountain Daylight
> Time, duvallcom at sbcglobal.net writes:
> > It was a joke Clive.  Assault weapons are illegal in
> the US and the US
> > media, who generally are clueless to facts and do no
> research, call
> > every gun an assault weapon.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 25, 2009, at 3:29 AM, Clive Sherriff wrote:
> >
> >> Hey John,
> >>
> >> Just love the concept of your assault rifle being
> in the catagory
> >> of  "sporting implements"........
> >>
> >> Clive
> >> Oxford UK
> >> ===============================
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> "JohnD" <johnsfolly at gmail.com>
> >> To: <peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net>
> >> Cc: "MG T List"
> <mg-t at autox.team.net>
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 2:45 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
> >>
> >>
> >>> I doubt the government will make me give up a
> perfectly roadworthy
> >>> MGTD.
> >>> They'll probably take away my assault
> rifle and other sporting
> >>> implements
> >>> first.  . . . . . . . . .  :-)
> >>> -John Deikis
> >>> Motown
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>
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From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net  Sat May  2 10:57:29 2009
From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Duvall Video Productions)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 11:57:29 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
In-Reply-To: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A8715A74-330B-437F-8AE9-D9A37B114906@sbcglobal.net>

You can't walk through the US without tripping over a law and a  
lawyer....

South Carolina bans machines guns except for those who posses them in  
accordance with current federal law and all machine guns, even ones  
that are inoperable, must be registered with the state.

n 1934 the National Firearms Act banned machine guns (automatic  
weapons) except with permission of the Treasury dept.  Any automatic  
weapon manufactured after 1986 is banned from civilian use.

There are many versions of the AK47 and other rifles.  There are  
civilian versions that are semi-automatic and fire smaller civilian  
ammunition but look just like the military version.  It was likely  
that type of gun not the illegal machine gun (automatic) model that  
fires big honkin bullets like the military, drug dealers and 3rd world  
dictators use.

A federal class III firearms dealer can demonstrate an automatic weapon.

There is no "official" definition of an assault weapon.  A weapon is  
either a tool of defense or assault.  A gun is not a weapon when used  
for sport just like a knife is not a weapon when used for eating.

The anti gun left wants to ban anything that looks mean.  Hillary  
Clinton is now using the term "assault-like" weapons because semi- 
automatics are not machine guns (automatic).



On May 2, 2009, at 12:45 AM, David Lodge wrote:

>
> Wildly off topic, but there was a thing on the telly the other night  
> about some blokes in South Carolina(?) firing off AK47s on a range.   
> Aren't they assault weapons?  Also type MG into eBay and you'll get  
> MG 34 and MG 42 so beloved of the Wehrmacht.
>
> Regards, Lodge
>
>
> --- On Fri, 1/5/09, spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net> wrote:

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  5 17:38:55 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:38:55 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] old tire
Message-ID: <008101c9cdda$ab0843e0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>

This tire was the spare on the car (52 TD) we picked up a few weeks ago.  I
know the car's been in a garage for about 30 years or so; can anyone tell from
these how old the tire is (30 years + is not the answer i'm looking for) btw
yes i know better than to try to use this!  could it be the original spare?
it does not match the others on the car (which yes, i also know better than to
use)

http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3763.JPG

http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3766.JPG

http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3768.JPG

http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3769.JPG

From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  5 18:24:42 2009
From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Duvall Video Productions)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:24:42 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] Fwd:  old tire
References: <11D7BFB0-A018-42C0-A7EF-91BFEDB56095@me.com>
Message-ID: <7DE91608-F8F4-44D8-9BC8-6E862CC4AED4@sbcglobal.net>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Mike Duvall <duvall at me.com>
> Date: May 5, 2009 7:23:28 PM CDT
> To: oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: 00 - MG Ts <mg-t at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] old tire
>
> The last 3 digits of the DOT number mean the 2nd month of 1960......
>
> PS I named my son Oliver :).... good name!
>
> On May 5, 2009, at 6:38 PM, oliver wrote:
>
>> This tire was the spare on the car (52 TD) we picked up a few weeks  
>> ago.  I
>> know the car's been in a garage for about 30 years or so; can  
>> anyone tell from
>> these how old the tire is (30 years + is not the answer i'm looking  
>> for) btw
>> yes i know better than to try to use this!  could it be the  
>> original spare?
>> it does not match the others on the car (which yes, i also know  
>> better than to
>> use)
>>
>> http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3763.JPG
>>
>> http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3766.JPG
>>
>> http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3768.JPG
>>
>> http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/mgtd/DSCN3769.JPG
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From chillmog at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  5 18:46:47 2009
From: chillmog at sbcglobal.net (Charles Hill)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 19:46:47 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] Fwd:  old tire
In-Reply-To: <7DE91608-F8F4-44D8-9BC8-6E862CC4AED4@sbcglobal.net>
References: <11D7BFB0-A018-42C0-A7EF-91BFEDB56095@me.com>
	<7DE91608-F8F4-44D8-9BC8-6E862CC4AED4@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4A00DDF7.5060202@sbcglobal.net>

Mike,

DOT code weren't introduced until 1968 so it wouldn't apply to original 
tires on a '52 TD.

Charles Hill

Duvall Video Productions wrote:
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Mike Duvall <duvall at me.com>
>> Date: May 5, 2009 7:23:28 PM CDT
>> To: oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
>> Cc: 00 - MG Ts <mg-t at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] old tire
>>
>> The last 3 digits of the DOT number mean the 2nd month of 1960......
>>
>> PS I named my son Oliver :).... good name!
>>
>> On May 5, 2009, at 6:38 PM, oliver wrote:

From budkrueger at comcast.net  Sat May  2 17:44:33 2009
From: budkrueger at comcast.net (Bud Krueger)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 19:44:33 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
In-Reply-To: <A8715A74-330B-437F-8AE9-D9A37B114906@sbcglobal.net>
References: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<A8715A74-330B-437F-8AE9-D9A37B114906@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49FCDAE1.5000802@comcast.net>

Please let this thread die.

Duvall Video Productions wrote:
> You can't walk through the US without tripping over a law and a 
> lawyer....
>
> South Carolina bans machines guns except for those who posses them in 
> accordance with current federal law and all machine guns, even ones 
> that are inoperable, must be registered with the state.
>
> n 1934 the National Firearms Act banned machine guns (automatic 
> weapons) except with permission of the Treasury dept.  Any automatic 
> weapon manufactured after 1986 is banned from civilian use.
>
> There are many versions of the AK47 and other rifles.  There are 
> civilian versions that are semi-automatic and fire smaller civilian 
> ammunition but look just like the military version.  It was likely 
> that type of gun not the illegal machine gun (automatic) model that 
> fires big honkin bullets like the military, drug dealers and 3rd world 
> dictators use.
>
> A federal class III firearms dealer can demonstrate an automatic weapon.
>
> There is no "official" definition of an assault weapon.  A weapon is 
> either a tool of defense or assault.  A gun is not a weapon when used 
> for sport just like a knife is not a weapon when used for eating.
>
> The anti gun left wants to ban anything that looks mean.  Hillary 
> Clinton is now using the term "assault-like" weapons because 
> semi-automatics are not machine guns (automatic).
>
>
>
> On May 2, 2009, at 12:45 AM, David Lodge wrote:
>
>>
>> Wildly off topic, but there was a thing on the telly the other night 
>> about some blokes in South Carolina(?) firing off AK47s on a range.  
>> Aren't they assault weapons?  Also type MG into eBay and you'll get 
>> MG 34 and MG 42 so beloved of the Wehrmacht.
>>
>> Regards, Lodge
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 1/5/09, spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net> wrote:
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From arundell at ghs.com.au  Tue May  5 20:12:53 2009
From: arundell at ghs.com.au (Murray Arundell)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:12:53 +1000
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
In-Reply-To: <49FCDAE1.5000802@comcast.net>
References: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
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Look I know I am going to get well and truly flamed for this......   
but here goes anyway.

Would the Gun Lobby People please take their argument elsewhere?  For  
goodness sake there can be no reason why any civilized person living  
in what one assumes is a civilized society needs a machine gun or  
other type of assault weapon.  We have laws in this world to protect  
innocent people from lunatics with these weapons.  To try and argue in  
favour of the need for such weapons is an insult to the intelligence  
of the vast majority of people who read this list.  The argument put  
up below is ludicrous.  What next?  "But Officer, my Ground To Air  
Missile is not an Assault Weapon because I am using it to hunt birds!"

The people who try and push this rubbish down the throat of those of  
us who are intelligent should try and understand that some of us just  
may have a loved one who has been a victim of such a weapon, no doubt  
used only for "sporting" purposes.  Perhaps the idiot who wrote this  
rubbish below would care to debate with a homicidal maniac the  
definition of sport......?

Lets get back to MGs please?

Murray Arundell
Australia - Where sensible gun laws exist....

As for trying to say that a know for eating
On 03/05/2009, at 9:44 AM, Bud Krueger wrote:

> Please let this thread die.
>
> Duvall Video Productions wrote:
>> You can't walk through the US without tripping over a law and a  
>> lawyer....
>>
>> South Carolina bans machines guns except for those who posses them  
>> in accordance with current federal law and all machine guns, even  
>> ones that are inoperable, must be registered with the state.
>>
>> n 1934 the National Firearms Act banned machine guns (automatic  
>> weapons) except with permission of the Treasury dept.  Any  
>> automatic weapon manufactured after 1986 is banned from civilian use.
>>
>> There are many versions of the AK47 and other rifles.  There are  
>> civilian versions that are semi-automatic and fire smaller civilian  
>> ammunition but look just like the military version.  It was likely  
>> that type of gun not the illegal machine gun (automatic) model that  
>> fires big honkin bullets like the military, drug dealers and 3rd  
>> world dictators use.
>>
>> A federal class III firearms dealer can demonstrate an automatic  
>> weapon.
>>
>> There is no "official" definition of an assault weapon.  A weapon  
>> is either a tool of defense or assault.  A gun is not a weapon when  
>> used for sport just like a knife is not a weapon when used for  
>> eating.
>>
>> The anti gun left wants to ban anything that looks mean.  Hillary  
>> Clinton is now using the term "assault-like" weapons because semi- 
>> automatics are not machine guns (automatic).
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 2, 2009, at 12:45 AM, David Lodge wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wildly off topic, but there was a thing on the telly the other  
>>> night about some blokes in South Carolina(?) firing off AK47s on a  
>>> range.  Aren't they assault weapons?  Also type MG into eBay and  
>>> you'll get MG 34 and MG 42 so beloved of the Wehrmacht.
>>>
>>> Regards, Lodge
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 1/5/09, spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From shop at justbrits.com  Tue May  5 21:05:31 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 22:05:31 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] scrap page laws
In-Reply-To: <E5C4F03A-0F76-4CED-8A8B-ECF8E196E75F@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJCEFCDDAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<We have laws in this world to protect  
innocent people from lunatics with these weapons.>>

And they work SO well, Murray !!!!

Chi streets get 'sprayed' regularly.  Must ALL be 
from ATF Class III LICENSED folks, huh???

You are, for the most part, correct in that 'normal'
citizens have absolutely no NEED nor use of FULL
automatic weapons BUT, on the other hand the Police
DO 'have a need' and they CAN'T get them !!!!  
Chicago Police Dept. is in the process of re-arming
Officers with SIMI-auto assault-type weapons and
NOT even in a decent caliber.

And what the He|| good is that when they ARE in
a fire fight with the gang bangers (which, VERY
UN-fortunately, often<F> ????

Thanks for bring the dead subject BACK up, Bud<G>!!

Ed

From spook01 at comcast.net  Sat May  2 22:15:52 2009
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:15:52 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws
References: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<A8715A74-330B-437F-8AE9-D9A37B114906@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <505A0D6CF4154FE983554A7992357C60@yourpd3mh0abgs>

well said.
Best,
Ray
"The U.N. is a place where governments opposed to free speech demand to be 
heard."
- Alfred E. Neuman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duvall Video Productions" <duvallcom at sbcglobal.net>
To: <emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "rbhouston" <rbhouston at aol.com>; "CliveSherriff" 
<clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com>; "spook01" <spook01 at comcast.net>; "MG T List" 
<mg-t at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws


> You can't walk through the US without tripping over a law and a 
> lawyer....
>
> South Carolina bans machines guns except for those who posses them in 
> accordance with current federal law and all machine guns, even ones  that 
> are inoperable, must be registered with the state.
>
> n 1934 the National Firearms Act banned machine guns (automatic  weapons) 
> except with permission of the Treasury dept.  Any automatic  weapon 
> manufactured after 1986 is banned from civilian use.
>
> There are many versions of the AK47 and other rifles.  There are  civilian 
> versions that are semi-automatic and fire smaller civilian  ammunition but 
> look just like the military version.  It was likely  that type of gun not 
> the illegal machine gun (automatic) model that  fires big honkin bullets 
> like the military, drug dealers and 3rd world  dictators use.
>
> A federal class III firearms dealer can demonstrate an automatic weapon.
>
> There is no "official" definition of an assault weapon.  A weapon is 
> either a tool of defense or assault.  A gun is not a weapon when used  for 
> sport just like a knife is not a weapon when used for eating.
>
> The anti gun left wants to ban anything that looks mean.  Hillary  Clinton 
> is now using the term "assault-like" weapons because semi- automatics are 
> not machine guns (automatic).
>
>
>
> On May 2, 2009, at 12:45 AM, David Lodge wrote:
>
>>
>> Wildly off topic, but there was a thing on the telly the other night 
>> about some blokes in South Carolina(?) firing off AK47s on a range. 
>> Aren't they assault weapons?  Also type MG into eBay and you'll get  MG 
>> 34 and MG 42 so beloved of the Wehrmacht.
>>
>> Regards, Lodge
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 1/5/09, spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net> wrote:

From dcongleton at embarqmail.com  Wed May  6 05:49:01 2009
From: dcongleton at embarqmail.com (Dallas Congleton)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 07:49:01 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
References: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com><A8715A74-330B-437F-8AE9-D9A37B114906@sbcglobal.net><49FCDAE1.5000802@comcast.net>
	<E5C4F03A-0F76-4CED-8A8B-ECF8E196E75F@ghs.com.au>
Message-ID: <ABAB83ECED4145CA950344BAC0B10F24@your4dacd0ea75>

Not to belabor the gun law argument, but for those that haven't really thought
about it and like to fell warm and fuzzy, read the following before you agree
with people like Hilary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi.

A  LITTLE GUN HISTORY
 In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.  From 1929 to 1953, about
20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13
million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up
and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan
Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of
gun control: 56 million.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law
to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own
Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million
dollars. The first year results are now in:

List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed
robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12
months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the
elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has
decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in
successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and
the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A FULLY-AUTOMATIC RIFLE.  SWITZERLAND 'S
GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A FULLY-AUTOMATIC RIFLE.  SWITZERLAND
HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
IT'S A NO-BRAINER- DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS
IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

From LarryShoer at comcast.net  Wed May  6 06:30:50 2009
From: LarryShoer at comcast.net (Larry Shoer)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 08:30:50 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
In-Reply-To: <D8BC0F6B2D8C41B7AA66B95D14CDB457@BacklotTechnologies.local>
References: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com><A8715A74-330B-437F-8AE9-D9A37B114906@sbcglobal.net><49FCDAE1.5000802@comcast.net><E5C4F03A-0F76-4CED-8A8B-ECF8E196E75F@ghs.com.au>
	<D8BC0F6B2D8C41B7AA66B95D14CDB457@BacklotTechnologies.local>
Message-ID: <37495C040F909C4693AE1093D0436B7C481F13@backlot01.BacklotTechnologies.local>

Before posting, I encourage people to spend a few minutes checking
facts.  Here is an alternate interpretation of the Australian data.  I
quote from http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32 (admittedly
not a neutral party, but their data sources are listed, so can be
further verified).

-------------------------

"Claim 1. Australian homicides are up 3.2% since the new laws.

In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws
becoming operative (1996-1997), gun homicides dropped by 37.8%. Murder
by all means dropped 13.7%.

Claim 2. Armed robberies are up by a "whopping" 44% since the new laws.
In fact the rate of armed robbery increase dropped 12% in 1998.

Claim 3. Assaults are up 8.6% since the new laws. In fact the rate of
assaults increase dropped by 4.2% in 1998.

Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following
the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in
1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the
six Australian states. In three months we will have the 1999 ABS
statistics. These will allow the matter to be re-examined."

-------------------------

Other information in "A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" can be similarly checked.
Before jumping to a particular conclusion, I encourage you to do so.

I, too, have strong opinions about this topic, but do not participate in
the MG forums to voice these opinions.  I come here to escape the noise
and baggage of a chaotic world.

Larry

From mgbob at juno.com  Wed May  6 08:37:05 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:37:05 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] old tire
Message-ID: <20090506.103853.2920.0.MGBOB@juno.com>

Hi Oliver,
   It's probably not the original spare. I checked the spare that I know
to be original on my car that was built November 1952.  Mine lacks the
identification number that you show in photo 3768.   Send a pic of the
tread. I can compare it to my Gold Seal tread pattern.
Bob

On Tue, 5 May 2009 18:38:55 -0500 "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> This tire was the spare on the car (52 TD) we picked up a few weeks 
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From dcongleton at embarqmail.com  Wed May  6 09:26:28 2009
From: dcongleton at embarqmail.com (Dallas Congleton)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:26:28 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
References: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com><A8715A74-330B-437F-8AE9-D9A37B114906@sbcglobal.net><49FCDAE1.5000802@comcast.net><E5C4F03A-0F76-4CED-8A8B-ECF8E196E75F@ghs.com.au><D8BC0F6B2D8C41B7AA66B95D14CDB457@BacklotTechnologies.local>
	<37495C040F909C4693AE1093D0436B7C481F13@backlot01.BacklotTechnologies.local>
Message-ID: <966311B1D06D4D928429E83B3DB61775@your4dacd0ea75>

Larry - other people do research, and spend a "few minutes checking facts" , 
and are open to factual analysis-

 maybe you should read something other than the gun lobby reports-
Here is a link-

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304

Not trying to start any arguments and this car forum is not the place for 
politics, etc    and ....
I know that converting a liberal is almost impossible-

this was information for independent thinkers
Dallas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Shoer" <LarryShoer at comcast.net>
To: "List" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control


> Before posting, I encourage people to spend a few minutes checking
> facts.  Here is an alternate interpretation of the Australian data.  I
> quote from http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32 (admittedly
> not a neutral party, but their data sources are listed, so can be
> further verified).
>
> -------------------------
>
> "Claim 1. Australian homicides are up 3.2% since the new laws.
>
> In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws
> becoming operative (1996-1997), gun homicides dropped by 37.8%. Murder
> by all means dropped 13.7%.
>
> Claim 2. Armed robberies are up by a "whopping" 44% since the new laws.
> In fact the rate of armed robbery increase dropped 12% in 1998.
>
> Claim 3. Assaults are up 8.6% since the new laws. In fact the rate of
> assaults increase dropped by 4.2% in 1998.
>
> Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following
> the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in
> 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the
> six Australian states. In three months we will have the 1999 ABS
> statistics. These will allow the matter to be re-examined."
>
> -------------------------
>
> Other information in "A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" can be similarly checked.
> Before jumping to a particular conclusion, I encourage you to do so.
>
> I, too, have strong opinions about this topic, but do not participate in
> the MG forums to voice these opinions.  I come here to escape the noise
> and baggage of a chaotic world.
>
> Larry

From rthadani at hotmail.com  Wed May  6 09:30:50 2009
From: rthadani at hotmail.com (Raj Thadani)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:30:50 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
In-Reply-To: <966311B1D06D4D928429E83B3DB61775@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com><A8715A74-330B-437F-8AE9-D9A37B114906@sbcglobal.net><49FCDAE1.5000802@comcast.net><E5C4F03A-0F76-4CED-8A8B-ECF8E196E75F@ghs.com.au><D8BC0F6B2D8C41B7AA66B95D14CDB457@BacklotTechnologies.local>
	<37495C040F909C4693AE1093D0436B7C481F13@backlot01.BacklotTechnologies.local>
	<966311B1D06D4D928429E83B3DB61775@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <BAY134-W566AEFCFF1FCD73324F703C2660@phx.gbl>

Does anyone know of an email list meant for MG T Series cars?



I seem to be caught in a "crossfire" list!  ;-)




> From: dcongleton at embarqmail.com
> To: LarryShoer at comcast.net; mg-t at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:26:28 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
>
> Larry - other people do research, and spend a "few minutes checking facts" ,
> and are open to factual analysis-
>
> maybe you should read something other than the gun lobby reports-
> Here is a link-
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304
>
> Not trying to start any arguments and this car forum is not the place for
> politics, etc and ....
> I know that converting a liberal is almost impossible-
>
> this was information for independent thinkers
> Dallas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Shoer" <LarryShoer at comcast.net>
> To: "List" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
>
>
> > Before posting, I encourage people to spend a few minutes checking
> > facts. Here is an alternate interpretation of the Australian data. I
> > quote from http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32 (admittedly
> > not a neutral party, but their data sources are listed, so can be
> > further verified).
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > "Claim 1. Australian homicides are up 3.2% since the new laws.
> >
> > In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws
> > becoming operative (1996-1997), gun homicides dropped by 37.8%. Murder
> > by all means dropped 13.7%.
> >
> > Claim 2. Armed robberies are up by a "whopping" 44% since the new laws.
> > In fact the rate of armed robbery increase dropped 12% in 1998.
> >
> > Claim 3. Assaults are up 8.6% since the new laws. In fact the rate of
> > assaults increase dropped by 4.2% in 1998.
> >
> > Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following
> > the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in
> > 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the
> > six Australian states. In three months we will have the 1999 ABS
> > statistics. These will allow the matter to be re-examined."
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > Other information in "A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" can be similarly checked.
> > Before jumping to a particular conclusion, I encourage you to do so.
> >
> > I, too, have strong opinions about this topic, but do not participate in
> > the MG forums to voice these opinions. I come here to escape the noise
> > and baggage of a chaotic world.
> >
> > Larry
> _______________________________________________
>
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From redscirocco at hotmail.com  Wed May  6 09:31:20 2009
From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:31:20 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
In-Reply-To: <966311B1D06D4D928429E83B3DB61775@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com><A8715A74-330B-437F-8AE9-D9A37B114906@sbcglobal.net><49FCDAE1.5000802@comcast.net><E5C4F03A-0F76-4CED-8A8B-ECF8E196E75F@ghs.com.au><D8BC0F6B2D8C41B7AA66B95D14CDB457@BacklotTechnologies.local>
	<37495C040F909C4693AE1093D0436B7C481F13@backlot01.BacklotTechnologies.local>
	<966311B1D06D4D928429E83B3DB61775@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <BAY102-W43133B847481DF354731BB7660@phx.gbl>

Unless you happen to be like me - a liberal gun-nut.

> From: dcongleton at embarqmail.com
> To: LarryShoer at comcast.net; mg-t at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:26:28 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
>
> Larry - other people do research, and spend a "few minutes checking facts" ,
> and are open to factual analysis-
>
> maybe you should read something other than the gun lobby reports-
> Here is a link-
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304
>
> Not trying to start any arguments and this car forum is not the place for
> politics, etc and ....
> I know that converting a liberal is almost impossible-
>
> this was information for independent thinkers
> Dallas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Shoer" <LarryShoer at comcast.net>
> To: "List" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
>
>
> > Before posting, I encourage people to spend a few minutes checking
> > facts. Here is an alternate interpretation of the Australian data. I
> > quote from http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32 (admittedly
> > not a neutral party, but their data sources are listed, so can be
> > further verified).
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > "Claim 1. Australian homicides are up 3.2% since the new laws.
> >
> > In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws
> > becoming operative (1996-1997), gun homicides dropped by 37.8%. Murder
> > by all means dropped 13.7%.
> >
> > Claim 2. Armed robberies are up by a "whopping" 44% since the new laws.
> > In fact the rate of armed robbery increase dropped 12% in 1998.
> >
> > Claim 3. Assaults are up 8.6% since the new laws. In fact the rate of
> > assaults increase dropped by 4.2% in 1998.
> >
> > Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following
> > the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in
> > 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the
> > six Australian states. In three months we will have the 1999 ABS
> > statistics. These will allow the matter to be re-examined."
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > Other information in "A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" can be similarly checked.
> > Before jumping to a particular conclusion, I encourage you to do so.
> >
> > I, too, have strong opinions about this topic, but do not participate in
> > the MG forums to voice these opinions. I come here to escape the noise
> > and baggage of a chaotic world.
> >
> > Larry
> _______________________________________________
>
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From johnsfolly at gmail.com  Wed May  6 10:17:51 2009
From: johnsfolly at gmail.com (JohnD)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:17:51 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
In-Reply-To: <966311B1D06D4D928429E83B3DB61775@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<A8715A74-330B-437F-8AE9-D9A37B114906@sbcglobal.net>
	<49FCDAE1.5000802@comcast.net>
	<E5C4F03A-0F76-4CED-8A8B-ECF8E196E75F@ghs.com.au>
	<D8BC0F6B2D8C41B7AA66B95D14CDB457@BacklotTechnologies.local>
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	<966311B1D06D4D928429E83B3DB61775@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <a2c981b90905060917u7a96a2a8sf8889e161a917e12@mail.gmail.com>

C'mon! Let's drop it. I'm wearing out my delete key!
JohnD

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Dallas Congleton <dcongleton at embarqmail.com
> wrote:

> Larry - other people do research, and spend a "few minutes checking facts"
> , and are open to factual analysis-
>
> maybe you should read something other than the gun lobby reports-
> Here is a link-
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304
>
> Not trying to start any arguments and this car forum is not the place for
> politics, etc    and ....
> I know that converting a liberal is almost impossible-
>
> this was information for independent thinkers
> Dallas
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Shoer" <LarryShoer at comcast.net>
> To: "List" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
>
>
> Before posting, I encourage people to spend a few minutes checking
>> facts.  Here is an alternate interpretation of the Australian data.  I
>> quote from http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32 (admittedly
>> not a neutral party, but their data sources are listed, so can be
>> further verified).
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> "Claim 1. Australian homicides are up 3.2% since the new laws.
>>
>> In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws
>> becoming operative (1996-1997), gun homicides dropped by 37.8%. Murder
>> by all means dropped 13.7%.
>>
>> Claim 2. Armed robberies are up by a "whopping" 44% since the new laws.
>> In fact the rate of armed robbery increase dropped 12% in 1998.
>>
>> Claim 3. Assaults are up 8.6% since the new laws. In fact the rate of
>> assaults increase dropped by 4.2% in 1998.
>>
>> Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following
>> the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in
>> 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the
>> six Australian states. In three months we will have the 1999 ABS
>> statistics. These will allow the matter to be re-examined."
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> Other information in "A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" can be similarly checked.
>> Before jumping to a particular conclusion, I encourage you to do so.
>>
>> I, too, have strong opinions about this topic, but do not participate in
>> the MG forums to voice these opinions.  I come here to escape the noise
>> and baggage of a chaotic world.
>>
>> Larry
>>
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From dhhall at bellsouth.net  Wed May  6 18:18:38 2009
From: dhhall at bellsouth.net (dhhall at bellsouth.net)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 00:18:38 +0000
Subject: [Mg-t] original ivory paint
Message-ID: <050720090018.915.4A0228DD000D024A0000039322230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF04040E08080B@att.net>

I'm nearing the point of having my MG TD painted, and wanted to repaint it the original ivory.  Does anyone have a paint code for modern paints that would be equivalent?  It will be a color coat/clear coat paint job.  Thanks, David

From budkrueger at comcast.net  Wed May  6 19:22:09 2009
From: budkrueger at comcast.net (Bud Krueger)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 21:22:09 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] original ivory paint
In-Reply-To: <050720090018.915.4A0228DD000D024A0000039322230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF04040E08080B@att.net>
References: <050720090018.915.4A0228DD000D024A0000039322230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF04040E08080B@att.net>
Message-ID: <4A0237C1.9060103@comcast.net>

Have a look at http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgtd/mgtd_finishes.htm.

Bud Krueger

dhhall at bellsouth.net wrote:
> I'm nearing the point of having my MG TD painted, and wanted to repaint it the original ivory.  Does anyone have a paint code for modern paints that would be equivalent?  It will be a color coat/clear coat paint job.  Thanks, David
> _______________________________________________

From ted at the-jacksons.ca  Wed May  6 20:27:37 2009
From: ted at the-jacksons.ca (Ted Jackson)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:27:37 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
In-Reply-To: <966311B1D06D4D928429E83B3DB61775@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <140881.11896.qm@web24302.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
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	<49FCDAE1.5000802@comcast.net>
	<E5C4F03A-0F76-4CED-8A8B-ECF8E196E75F@ghs.com.au>
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I'm sure there are a lot of lists where pro-gun and anti-gun can get
together and try to convince one another.  However this list ought not to be
one of them.  It's where I go for MG-T knowledge.

If you can't find a better place for your debate maybe you could start an
NRA-MG-T list.

Ted Jackson
1951 MGTD #5554



On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Dallas Congleton <dcongleton at embarqmail.com
> wrote:

> Larry - other people do research, and spend a "few minutes checking facts"
> , and are open to factual analysis-
>
> maybe you should read something other than the gun lobby reports-
> Here is a link-
>
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304
>
> Not trying to start any arguments and this car forum is not the place for
> politics, etc    and ....
> I know that converting a liberal is almost impossible-
>
> this was information for independent thinkers
> Dallas
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Shoer" <LarryShoer at comcast.net>
> To: "List" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] scrappage laws- gun control
>
>
>  Before posting, I encourage people to spend a few minutes checking
>> facts.  Here is an alternate interpretation of the Australian data.  I
>> quote from http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32 (admittedly
>> not a neutral party, but their data sources are listed, so can be
>> further verified).
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> "Claim 1. Australian homicides are up 3.2% since the new laws.
>>
>> In 1998, compared to the average of the two years prior to new gun laws
>> becoming operative (1996-1997), gun homicides dropped by 37.8%. Murder
>> by all means dropped 13.7%.
>>
>> Claim 2. Armed robberies are up by a "whopping" 44% since the new laws.
>> In fact the rate of armed robbery increase dropped 12% in 1998.
>>
>> Claim 3. Assaults are up 8.6% since the new laws. In fact the rate of
>> assaults increase dropped by 4.2% in 1998.
>>
>> Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following
>> the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in
>> 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the
>> six Australian states. In three months we will have the 1999 ABS
>> statistics. These will allow the matter to be re-examined."
>>
>> -------------------------
>>
>> Other information in "A LITTLE GUN HISTORY" can be similarly checked.
>> Before jumping to a particular conclusion, I encourage you to do so.
>>
>> I, too, have strong opinions about this topic, but do not participate in
>> the MG forums to voice these opinions.  I come here to escape the noise
>> and baggage of a chaotic world.
>>
>> Larry
>>
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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Wed May  6 21:19:38 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:19:38 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] tach
References: <20090418000423.rpwas5sf4rj4ckg8@webmail.athenet.net><49EA89EE.2040306@comcast.net>
	<49EB3E3B.7070900@comcast.net>
	<C7A3B5E0-CDA6-4779-9B1C-EE3DDF885E8A@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <002001c9cec2$bcbcd900$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>

hi.

52 td, sat for many years, got the engine running again (after changing all 
the fluids).

tach didn't work

tach worked

tach doesn't work

where should i start?

sorry - i'm really new to these cars. 

From kingseim at earthlink.net  Thu May  7 08:13:00 2009
From: kingseim at earthlink.net (John Seim)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:13:00 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] original ivory paint
In-Reply-To: <050720090018.915.4A0228DD000D024A0000039322230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF04040E08080B@att.net>
References: <050720090018.915.4A0228DD000D024A0000039322230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF04040E08080B@att.net>
Message-ID: <E4A5C232-C9C4-490F-93BD-CC09D097F876@earthlink.net>

MG Color Name			ICI				Ditzler			Rinshed/Mason

Cream (TA/TB)							80203			BM126

Sequoia Cream/Ivory		4138 or 2700	80203			BM127
Ivory					2752			DDL 81271		BM 127
						Dupont  83449

Here are the original paint codes. As modern paint have different  
pigment base, even with the correct paint code, you will not get an  
exact match to the color. Best to locate an area with the original  
paint, buff it out, and see if you are happy with that color. Go to a  
paint store, and have them match to your sample.

John Seim
Irvine, CA

On May 6, 2009, at 5:18 PM, dhhall at bellsouth.net wrote:

> I'm nearing the point of having my MG TD painted, and wanted to  
> repaint it the original ivory.  Does anyone have a paint code for  
> modern paints that would be equivalent?  It will be a color coat/ 
> clear coat paint job.  Thanks, David
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From kingseim at earthlink.net  Thu May  7 08:22:05 2009
From: kingseim at earthlink.net (John Seim)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:22:05 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] tach
In-Reply-To: <002001c9cec2$bcbcd900$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
References: <20090418000423.rpwas5sf4rj4ckg8@webmail.athenet.net><49EA89EE.2040306@comcast.net>
	<49EB3E3B.7070900@comcast.net>
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	<002001c9cec2$bcbcd900$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <B1A88672-5621-4C51-836C-136FB42CDCAD@earthlink.net>

Chances are that you have a magnetic tachometer.
Magnets attached to the backside.
Unit is dirty, needs to be cleaned and oiled.

You can send it out for repair to:

MG Services Heathrow	34 Fulmer Drive, Gerrads Cross, Buckinghamshire  
SL9 7HL
APT Instruments (Charles)	9632 Humbolt Ave. So., Bloomington, MN  
55431	952-881-7095
MO-MA			1321 2nd St. N.W.	Albuquerque, N.M.		505-766-6661
Nisonger Instrument		570 Mamaroneck Ave., Mamaroneck, N.Y.		914-381-1952
The Whitworth Shop ( Craig Seabrook) 14444 Watt Rd., Novelty, OH  
44072	440-338-5950
West Valley Instruments	19314 Van Owen Blvd., Reseda, CA 91335		 
818-758-9500

Or, if you want it restored to like new showroom condition, send it to:
Vintage Restorations		The Old Bakery, Windmill Street, Turnbridge Wells,
				Kent, England TN2 4UU			011-44-1892-525899

John Seim
Irvine, CA

On May 6, 2009, at 8:19 PM, oliver wrote:

> hi.
>
> 52 td, sat for many years, got the engine running again (after  
> changing all the fluids).
>
> tach didn't work
>
> tach worked
>
> tach doesn't work
>
> where should i start?
>
> sorry - i'm really new to these cars.  
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From mgbob at juno.com  Thu May  7 08:17:00 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:17:00 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] tach
Message-ID: <20090507.102147.2128.8.MGBOB@juno.com>

Hi Oliver,
   Tach is driven by the dynamo through the little gearbox at the back. 
If you unscrew the tach cable from the gearbox you should be able to see
the end of the output shaft turning.  If it's not turning, either the
gearbox is loose on the dynamo or gearbox is at fault.  If it is turning,
then reconnect cable and see if the top end of cable is turning at the
tach itself.  If cable is turning, the trouble is in the instrument
itself.  Send it out to Moma Engineering or Nisonger to have it mended. 
Be very careful when removing the curved glass; it is difficult to find
replacement.
Bob
 
On Wed, 6 May 2009 22:19:38 -0500 "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> hi.
> 
> 52 td, sat for many years, got the engine running again (after 
> changing all 
> the fluids).
> 
> tach didn't work
> 
> tach worked
> 
> tach doesn't work
> 
> where should i start?
> 
> sorry - i'm really new to these cars. 
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From peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net  Thu May  7 05:15:40 2009
From: peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net (peter-thiel at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:15:40 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] tach
Message-ID: <6EE3402B266141138DD185996D85160E@OURS>

 Hi Oliver,

    You have a cable coming off the back of the generator to run the tach
 mechanically. The easiest place to start is to unscrew the cable from the
 tach gearbox at the back of the generator and pull the inner cable out. If
 its broken, there's at least part of the problem. Alternatively, reach up
 behind the dash and find the cable going into the back of the tach. Unscrew
 it there and see if it turns while the engine is running. Pull it out to
 check if its broken.
    If all is well there, you may have a problem inside the tach. I'll leave
 that for others to comment on, as to rebuilders and such.

 Pete Thiel
 '53 TD



 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
 To: "T series list" <mg-t at autox.team.net>
 Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:19 PM
 Subject: [Mg-t] tach


 hi.

52 td, sat for many years, got the engine running again (after changing
 all the fluids).

tach didn't work

tach worked

tach doesn't work

where should i start?

sorry - i'm really new to these cars.

From tsouthworth70 at hotmail.com  Thu May  7 18:36:54 2009
From: tsouthworth70 at hotmail.com (Tuck Southworth)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:36:54 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] original ivory paint
In-Reply-To: <050720090018.915.4A0228DD000D024A0000039322230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF04040E08080B@att.net>
References: <050720090018.915.4A0228DD000D024A0000039322230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF04040E08080B@att.net>
Message-ID: <BAY125-W26F0E5775EB9D446DCAD07BF640@phx.gbl>

David,

The June 96 issue of TSO contains probably the most comprehensive article on
MG T paint that you will find anywhere.  Included are paint chips, codes,
various types of paints used on the cars and the cross codes to modern paint
companies.  The Dupont code for Ivory is listed as 83449 but you might find it
now listed as B8819.



Contact me off the list if you'd like a copy of the article.




> From: dhhall at bellsouth.net
> To: mg-t at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:18:38 +0000
> Subject: [Mg-t] original ivory paint
>
> I'm nearing the point of having my MG TD painted, and wanted to repaint it
the original ivory. Does anyone have a paint code for modern paints that would
be equivalent? It will be a color coat/clear coat paint job. Thanks, David
> _______________________________________________

From mgcharlie at comcast.net  Sat May  9 19:26:12 2009
From: mgcharlie at comcast.net (Charlie Baldwin)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 21:26:12 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] original ivory paint
In-Reply-To: <E4A5C232-C9C4-490F-93BD-CC09D097F876@earthlink.net>
References: <050720090018.915.4A0228DD000D024A0000039322230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF04040E08080B@att.net>
	<E4A5C232-C9C4-490F-93BD-CC09D097F876@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4A062D34.8050402@comcast.net>

Another option would be to contact William Wolf in Ohio( 
http://www.williamwolf.com/autorest.htm )and purchase a spray can of the 
original color in the original nitrocellulose and have your auto local 
paint store spray it and match the color.
Actually, they could probably do all that for you or work something else 
out with them.
Charlie

John Seim wrote:
> MG Color Name			ICI				Ditzler			Rinshed/Mason
>
> Cream (TA/TB)							80203			BM126
>
> Sequoia Cream/Ivory		4138 or 2700	80203			BM127
> Ivory					2752			DDL 81271		BM 127
> 						Dupont  83449
>
> Here are the original paint codes. As modern paint have different  
> pigment base, even with the correct paint code, you will not get an  
> exact match to the color. Best to locate an area with the original  
> paint, buff it out, and see if you are happy with that color. Go to a  
> paint store, and have them match to your sample.
>
> John Seim
> Irvine, CA
>
> On May 6, 2009, at 5:18 PM, dhhall at bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>   
>> I'm nearing the point of having my MG TD painted, and wanted to  
>> repaint it the original ivory.  Does anyone have a paint code for  
>> modern paints that would be equivalent?  It will be a color coat/ 
>> clear coat paint job.  Thanks, David
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From: crownwheel at surfglobal.net (Gene Fodor)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:16:53 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] FW: Non-T, but Brit...
Message-ID: <005101c9d325$72545570$56fd0050$@net>

I have no specific interest in this car, but it was on my Vermont list.

Cheers

Gene





Hi,



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From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 14 10:33:17 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:33:17 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] front hood screws/bolts
References: <D90EBE7D0FC5544994DE4B0D5283EC440D3059@NFSVR01.neurological.local>
	<003601c9c1ad$de608420$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
	<49EC9FC8.3010509@sinclair.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c9d4b1$e92621a0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>

i took the hood off because one of the chrome pieces was broken.

there are nice big screws at the back of the hood, but little tiny screw 
headed bolts at the front, that don't seem to catch.  were there nuts and 
they are now gone or do i need bigger bolts or what?  i've looked at the 
moss catalong and i can't see a detail there.

thanks. 

From ddubois at sinclair.net  Fri May 15 00:43:43 2009
From: ddubois at sinclair.net (Dave and Liz DuBois)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:43:43 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] front hood screws/bolts
In-Reply-To: <001f01c9d4b1$e92621a0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
References: <D90EBE7D0FC5544994DE4B0D5283EC440D3059@NFSVR01.neurological.local>
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	<49EC9FC8.3010509@sinclair.net>
	<001f01c9d4b1$e92621a0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <4A0D0F1F.2000601@sinclair.net>

Oliver,

If you can get to a company that carries aircraft fasteners, ask them 
for 10 - 32 flathead with 1000 counter sink.  That will give you a large 
head with a shallow depth.

Cheers,
Dave

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 15 04:46:48 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 05:46:48 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] paint
References: <D90EBE7D0FC5544994DE4B0D5283EC440D3059@NFSVR01.neurological.local>
	<003601c9c1ad$de608420$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
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	<001f01c9d4b1$e92621a0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
	<4A0D0F1F.2000601@sinclair.net>
Message-ID: <003601c9d54a$787576b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>

are there some standard household equivalents (like krylon or rustoleum) for 
the silver wheel paint and the dark red/maroon engine paint?

is the color pretty standard through the years or did they change tints 
substantially from the 52 TD to later cars?

thanks! 

From mgbob at juno.com  Fri May 15 06:39:36 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:39:36 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] front hood screws/bolts
Message-ID: <20090515.091118.3488.4.MGBOB@juno.com>

  The parts book does not detail this either.
  My car has flat-head machine screws through the bracket that have
washers & nuts underneath, between metal and the rubber strip. 
Needle-nose pliers or tweezers are handy to hold the nuts in place to get
the machine screws started.
Bob



 
On Thu, 14 May 2009 11:33:17 -0500 "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
writes:
> i took the hood off because one of the chrome pieces was broken.
> 
> there are nice big screws at the back of the hood, but little tiny 
> screw 
> headed bolts at the front, that don't seem to catch.  were there 
> nuts and 
> they are now gone or do i need bigger bolts or what?  i've looked at 
> the 
> moss catalong and i can't see a detail there.
> 
> thanks. 
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From mgbob at juno.com  Fri May 15 07:06:02 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:06:02 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] paint
Message-ID: <20090515.091118.3488.6.MGBOB@juno.com>

   For the wheels TD - MGB, Duplicolor   Ford Argent   is a good match.
   For the TD engine maroon, everyone seems to have different memories.
Some prefer the Moss color.  Some like the Duplicolor truck paint  #278
Dark Canyon Red. 
   For the rocker cover, the Moss paint is considered best match. It was
not a pure silver silver, rather one that had a bit of greenish tint. 
   Colors were not as consistent 50 years ago as they are today. As color
memory is unreliable, one makes a good try at matching body original
paint that is hidden in an enclosed area (behind the interior trim,
inside doors, etc). Engine paint is affected by heat, water, oil, gas,
time, degreasers, etc. The most protected area of engine paint would seem
to be on the back toward the clutch, but who is to say today what the
color was in 1952. 
   Marcham Rhoade ( Ken Smith ) in his book Aspects of Abingdon, devotes
a number of pages to paint and paint rectification of MGBs. In one
section he mentions rectification artists with palettes of paint used to
touch up cars.  One infers that MGB colors were not consistent, some
years after the TDs were built.
Bob
 
 

On Fri, 15 May 2009 05:46:48 -0500 "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
writes:
> are there some standard household equivalents (like krylon or 
> rustoleum) for 
> the silver wheel paint and the dark red/maroon engine paint?
> 
> is the color pretty standard through the years or did they change 
> tints substantially from the 52 TD to later cars?
> 
> thanks! 
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From jquilter at peoplepc.com  Fri May 15 21:30:34 2009
From: jquilter at peoplepc.com (John Quilter)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:30:34 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] front hood screws/bolts
References: <20090515.091118.3488.4.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <006e01c9d5d6$b1179480$2101a8c0@peoplepc>

And if you want to be really fancy you could go with stainless bolts and
nuts which are available at good hardware stores or West Marine outlets.

John Quilter
Brisbane, California

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Howard" <mgbob at juno.com>
To: <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <Mg-t at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] front hood screws/bolts


>   The parts book does not detail this either.
>   My car has flat-head machine screws through the bracket that have
> washers & nuts underneath, between metal and the rubber strip.
> Needle-nose pliers or tweezers are handy to hold the nuts in place to get
> the machine screws started.
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 14 May 2009 11:33:17 -0500 "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
> writes:
> > i took the hood off because one of the chrome pieces was broken.
> >
> > there are nice big screws at the back of the hood, but little tiny
> > screw
> > headed bolts at the front, that don't seem to catch.  were there
> > nuts and
> > they are now gone or do i need bigger bolts or what?  i've looked at
> > the
> > moss catalong and i can't see a detail there.
> >
> > thanks.
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From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com  Sat May 16 07:37:58 2009
From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:37:58 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] paint
In-Reply-To: <20090515.091118.3488.6.MGBOB@juno.com>
References: <20090515.091118.3488.6.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <D72CC4C8246E45CD8361BAAE9D32509E@roundabout.com>

Bob,

I have recently been repainting some TD wheels and have tried without
success to find any supplied of the correct silver-gray paint. You mention
Ford Argent, but that is not showing up in any manufacturer's books. Also,
there is no current reference to any of the paint codes on "The Original MG
TD" web site.

Does anyone have a color formula for the Ford Argent?

Cheers,
Lew Palmer

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Howard
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:06 AM
To: sumton at sbcglobal.net
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net; Mg-t at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint

   For the wheels TD - MGB, Duplicolor   Ford Argent   is a good match.
   For the TD engine maroon, everyone seems to have different memories.
Some prefer the Moss color.  Some like the Duplicolor truck paint  #278
Dark Canyon Red. 
   For the rocker cover, the Moss paint is considered best match. It was
not a pure silver silver, rather one that had a bit of greenish tint. 
   Colors were not as consistent 50 years ago as they are today. As color
memory is unreliable, one makes a good try at matching body original
paint that is hidden in an enclosed area (behind the interior trim,
inside doors, etc). Engine paint is affected by heat, water, oil, gas,
time, degreasers, etc. The most protected area of engine paint would seem
to be on the back toward the clutch, but who is to say today what the
color was in 1952. 
   Marcham Rhoade ( Ken Smith ) in his book Aspects of Abingdon, devotes
a number of pages to paint and paint rectification of MGBs. In one
section he mentions rectification artists with palettes of paint used to
touch up cars.  One infers that MGB colors were not consistent, some
years after the TDs were built.
Bob
 
 

On Fri, 15 May 2009 05:46:48 -0500 "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
writes:
> are there some standard household equivalents (like krylon or 
> rustoleum) for 
> the silver wheel paint and the dark red/maroon engine paint?
> 
> is the color pretty standard through the years or did they change 
> tints substantially from the 52 TD to later cars?
> 
> thanks! 
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From shop at justbrits.com  Sun May 17 15:08:58 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 16:08:58 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] Sintered Bronze Bushes (& spigot bushes)
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJOEKIDEAA.shop@justbrits.com>

FYI, FWIW & I DO sell pilot bushes<G>!!!!

<quote>
With a sintered bronze bushing there is a 10-second
shortcut
to the overnight soak. Place the bushing on your thumb,
open
end up. Fill with oil to the top. Put your other thumb
on top
to seal both ends, and squeeze firmly. In a matter of
seconds
you will see oil beads on the outside like it was
sweating,
indicating full saturation of the bronze matrix.
</quote>
Author:  Barney Gaylord, MGAGURU

Ed

From jquilter at peoplepc.com  Sun May 17 21:44:22 2009
From: jquilter at peoplepc.com (John Quilter)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:44:22 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] MGTD hood top available
Message-ID: <005601c9d76a$ef072d60$2101a8c0@peoplepc>

I was at a local car meet today with my 1951 MGTD and a former owner of a TD
approached me saying she had found a pair of hood tops in her garage attic
left over from her late husband's MGTD hobby.  They were removed from the car
in 1954 and stored ever since as the owner replaced the stock hood with a
louvered one.   These hood tops are in MG cream and are for sale, price
negotiable.  Contact Pat Davis at youngonce at sbcglobal.net or at 510-278-7600
if interested.   They are located in San Lorenzo California.

John Quilter
Brisbane, California
1951 MGTD
1960 Morris Minor
1969 Austin America
1965 Jaguar 3.8S

From mgbob at juno.com  Mon May 18 08:32:11 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:32:11 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] paint
Message-ID: <20090518.105605.2492.5.MGBOB@juno.com>

Hi Lew,
   It is disappointing that you have not been able to find it.  I used my
last can a year or two back when I repainted my wheels, and assumed that
a color used by Ford for 20 years or so would still be available. 
Apparently not, alas.  On my shelf of rattle cans I have a Plasti-Kote GM
7161 that seems about right.  
   The TD wheels were not a bright silver. Difficult to describe, but
when you see a wheel that is too bright its color stands out.  The Ford
color was silver but appears to me to be a bit darker than Krylon or
Rustoleum sprays.  If you can't find the Ford argent, it would seem that
poking around the cans of touch-up paint, both auto and truck,  at the
auto parts store would uncover one that is close enough that it does not
matter.  Next time I am in NAPA, I will look.
Bob
 


On Sat, 16 May 2009 08:37:58 -0500 "Lew Palmer"
<lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com> writes:
> Bob,
> 
> I have recently been repainting some TD wheels and have tried 
> without
> success to find any supplied of the correct silver-gray paint. You 
> mention
> Ford Argent, but that is not showing up in any manufacturer's books. 
> Also,
> there is no current reference to any of the paint codes on "The 
> Original MG
> TD" web site.
> 
> Does anyone have a color formula for the Ford Argent?
> 
> Cheers,
> Lew Palmer
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Bob Howard
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:06 AM
> To: sumton at sbcglobal.net
> Cc: mgs at autox.team.net; Mg-t at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint
> 
>    For the wheels TD - MGB, Duplicolor   Ford Argent   is a good 
> match.
>    For the TD engine maroon, everyone seems to have different 
> memories.
> Some prefer the Moss color.  Some like the Duplicolor truck paint  
> #278
> Dark Canyon Red. 
>    For the rocker cover, the Moss paint is considered best match. It 
> was
> not a pure silver silver, rather one that had a bit of greenish 
> tint. 
>    Colors were not as consistent 50 years ago as they are today. As 
> color
> memory is unreliable, one makes a good try at matching body 
> original
> paint that is hidden in an enclosed area (behind the interior trim,
> inside doors, etc). Engine paint is affected by heat, water, oil, 
> gas,
> time, degreasers, etc. The most protected area of engine paint would 
> seem
> to be on the back toward the clutch, but who is to say today what 
> the
> color was in 1952. 
>    Marcham Rhoade ( Ken Smith ) in his book Aspects of Abingdon, 
> devotes
> a number of pages to paint and paint rectification of MGBs. In one
> section he mentions rectification artists with palettes of paint 
> used to
> touch up cars.  One infers that MGB colors were not consistent, 
> some
> years after the TDs were built.
> Bob
>  
>  
> 
> On Fri, 15 May 2009 05:46:48 -0500 "oliver" <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
> writes:
> > are there some standard household equivalents (like krylon or 
> > rustoleum) for 
> > the silver wheel paint and the dark red/maroon engine paint?
> > 
> > is the color pretty standard through the years or did they change 
> 
> > tints substantially from the 52 TD to later cars?
> > 
> > thanks! 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
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From mgbob at juno.com  Mon May 18 09:22:42 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:22:42 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] LED tail lights
Message-ID: <20090518.112242.2492.11.MGBOB@juno.com>

  1157 bulbs in our TD round tail lights are not very bright.  Halogen
lights are far brighter, but they draw a lot of power and get very hot. 
Would LEDs fit and would they supply adequate light? 
   I installed  Superbrightleds.com    BA 15-24 Red   in the TD this
weekend.  Yes and yes to both questions. They fit into the recess of the
reflector with no room wasted, and they are just as bright as, if not
even brighter than, the halogens according to the neighbor in adjacent
driveway. 
   Ammeter discharge was -6 with sidelamps and tail lamps using halogen
bulbs; it's now about -1.5 with the LEDs in the tail lamps,  the LEDs
illuminate noticeably faster when brake is applied and the discharge is
about .2 A. 

Bob
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From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 18 10:01:10 2009
From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Duvall Video Productions)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:01:10 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] LED tail lights
In-Reply-To: <20090518.112242.2492.11.MGBOB@juno.com>
References: <20090518.112242.2492.11.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <910CAF94-1980-4932-B474-4A82C5F30B9D@sbcglobal.net>

If you have positive ground they won't work.....



On May 18, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Bob Howard wrote:

>  1157 bulbs in our TD round tail lights are not very bright.  Halogen
> lights are far brighter, but they draw a lot of power and get very  
> hot.
> Would LEDs fit and would they supply adequate light?
>   I installed  Superbrightleds.com    BA 15-24 Red   in the TD this
> weekend.  Yes and yes to both questions. They fit into the recess of  
> the
> reflector with no room wasted, and they are just as bright as, if not
> even brighter than, the halogens according to the neighbor in adjacent
> driveway.
>   Ammeter discharge was -6 with sidelamps and tail lamps using halogen
> bulbs; it's now about -1.5 with the LEDs in the tail lamps,  the LEDs
> illuminate noticeably faster when brake is applied and the discharge  
> is
> about .2 A.
>
> Bob
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From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 18 10:52:56 2009
From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Duvall Video Productions)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 11:52:56 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] paint
In-Reply-To: <20090518.105605.2492.5.MGBOB@juno.com>
References: <20090518.105605.2492.5.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <A3EAEE7A-D955-4B5B-92EB-CA2C7AE6D9FF@sbcglobal.net>

Try your Ford dealer.  They used to sell a spray can of under the  
Motorcraft name.....

On May 18, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Bob Howard wrote:

> Hi Lew,
>   It is disappointing that you have not been able to find it.  I  
> used my
> last can a year or two back when I repainted my wheels, and assumed  
> that
> a color used by Ford for 20 years or so would still be available.
> Apparently not, alas.  On my shelf of rattle cans I have a Plasti- 
> Kote GM
> 7161 that seems about right.
>   The TD wheels were not a bright silver. Difficult to describe, but
> when you see a wheel that is too bright its color stands out.  The  
> Ford
> color was silver but appears to me to be a bit darker than Krylon or
> Rustoleum sprays.  If you can't find the Ford argent, it would seem  
> that
> poking around the cans of touch-up paint, both auto and truck,  at the
> auto parts store would uncover one that is close enough that it does  
> not
> matter.  Next time I am in NAPA, I will look.
> Bob

From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 18 11:04:41 2009
From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Duvall Video Productions)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:04:41 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] paint
In-Reply-To: <20090518.105605.2492.5.MGBOB@juno.com>
References: <20090518.105605.2492.5.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <066C7C79-9EC3-4779-BEA9-BBCC9A57B8FA@sbcglobal.net>

Also try Eastwood for wheel paint.

http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=96&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=410&iSubCat=411&iProductID=96


On May 18, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Bob Howard wrote:

> Hi Lew,
>   It is disappointing that you have not been able to find it.  I  
> used my
> last can a year or two back when I repainted my wheels, and assumed  
> that
> a color used by Ford for 20 years or so would still be available.
> Apparently not, alas.  On my shelf of rattle cans I have a Plasti- 
> Kote GM
> 7161 that seems about right.
>   The TD wheels were not a bright silver. Difficult to describe, but
> when you see a wheel that is too bright its color stands out.  The  
> Ford
> color was silver but appears to me to be a bit darker than Krylon or
> Rustoleum sprays.  If you can't find the Ford argent, it would seem  
> that
> poking around the cans of touch-up paint, both auto and truck,  at the
> auto parts store would uncover one that is close enough that it does  
> not
> matter.  Next time I am in NAPA, I will look.
> Bob

From felperg at earthlink.net  Mon May 18 11:33:43 2009
From: felperg at earthlink.net (Gerald Felper)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:33:43 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] paint
In-Reply-To: <066C7C79-9EC3-4779-BEA9-BBCC9A57B8FA@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20090518.105605.2492.5.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<066C7C79-9EC3-4779-BEA9-BBCC9A57B8FA@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <97993C0B-05BD-4BEE-BAA0-12BE5C706CB3@earthlink.net>

Krylon- Dull Gray is very close
On May 18, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Duvall Video Productions wrote:

> Also try Eastwood for wheel paint.
>
> http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp? 
> itemID=96&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=410&iSubCat=411&iProductID=96
>
>
> On May 18, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Bob Howard wrote:
>
>> Hi Lew,
>>   It is disappointing that you have not been able to find it.  I  
>> used my
>> last can a year or two back when I repainted my wheels, and  
>> assumed that
>> a color used by Ford for 20 years or so would still be available.
>> Apparently not, alas.  On my shelf of rattle cans I have a Plasti- 
>> Kote GM
>> 7161 that seems about right.
>>   The TD wheels were not a bright silver. Difficult to describe, but
>> when you see a wheel that is too bright its color stands out.  The  
>> Ford
>> color was silver but appears to me to be a bit darker than Krylon or
>> Rustoleum sprays.  If you can't find the Ford argent, it would  
>> seem that
>> poking around the cans of touch-up paint, both auto and truck,  at  
>> the
>> auto parts store would uncover one that is close enough that it  
>> does not
>> matter.  Next time I am in NAPA, I will look.
>> Bob
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Felper Engineering
felperg at earthlink.net

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon May 18 18:45:48 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:45:48 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] paint
In-Reply-To: <D72CC4C8246E45CD8361BAAE9D32509E@roundabout.com>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJKEOCDEAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<You mention Ford Argent, but that is not 
showing up in any manufacturer's books.>>

Odd Lew, did YOU (or any other of the LAZY
folks<G>) try a Google search???

Rhetoric question I guess because Geesh, 10 
seconds for Firefox to open (several other 
programs running), 13 keystrokes (@7 seconds),
+ another .015 secs 'waiting' for Google Search
results = returns 334,000 hits.

I don't 'need' any right now, so I WILL let
you folks do the rest of the (VERY 'hard')
work.<G>!!

Ed

PS:  I did 'cheat' tho as I DO have the Google
Search Bar<VBG> which IS free.  LOL

From shop at justbrits.com  Mon May 18 18:59:59 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:59:59 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] FW: idgetsprite] California Barn of MG's, Sprites, Midgets,
 &  vintage racers
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJEEODDEAA.shop@justbrits.com>

I know ZERO about below & NFI & YMMV,
yadda, yadda, yadda!!!!!!!
(but I SURE WISH I was in CA<VBG>!!!!!)

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Randy N
   Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:45 PM
  Subject: [midgetsprite] California
Barn of MG's, Sprites, Midgets, &
vintage racers

  This just popped up today on BaT and
looks very interesting.....


http://bringatrailer.com/2009/05/18/bat-
exclusive-50-car-california-barn-stash/

  Too bad my garage is full.

  Randy
  SF, Ca

  .

  __,_._,___

From crownwheel at surfglobal.net  Tue May 19 05:54:49 2009
From: crownwheel at surfglobal.net (Gene Fodor)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 07:54:49 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] paint
In-Reply-To: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJKEOCDEAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <D72CC4C8246E45CD8361BAAE9D32509E@roundabout.com>
	<OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJKEOCDEAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c9d878$9fea5720$dfbf0560$@net>

Listers ... when "Eliot" arrived, the previous owner had tried to chrome the
wheels and did a terrible job. I removed, what was left of the chrome job
and paint and used NAPA DAL 679 Silver M and NAPA DAL 1695 Clear Coat
Lacquer
The wheels look great.
Gene
'53 TD Unrestored
South Hero, VT

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ed's Shop
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:46 PM
To: Lew Palmer; 'Bob Howard'; sumton at sbcglobal.net
Cc: mgs at autox.team.net; Mg-t at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] paint

<<You mention Ford Argent, but that is not 
showing up in any manufacturer's books.>>

Odd Lew, did YOU (or any other of the LAZY
folks<G>) try a Google search???

Rhetoric question I guess because Geesh, 10 
seconds for Firefox to open (several other 
programs running), 13 keystrokes (@7 seconds),
+ another .015 secs 'waiting' for Google Search
results = returns 334,000 hits.

I don't 'need' any right now, so I WILL let
you folks do the rest of the (VERY 'hard')
work.<G>!!

Ed

PS:  I did 'cheat' tho as I DO have the Google
Search Bar<VBG> which IS free.  LOL
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From peter at nosimport.com  Tue May 19 10:17:40 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:17:40 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] TD part needed
Message-ID: <200905190917882.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com>

Customer needs the short front Girling shock mounting bolt.

Anyone have one to sell, or know a source?

Thanks

Peter C

From peter at nosimport.com  Tue May 19 10:22:52 2009
From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:22:52 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] [Mgs] TD part needed
In-Reply-To: <200905190917882.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com>
References: <200905190917882.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com>
Message-ID: <200905190922393.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com>

Uh..... Never mind.

Thanx
===
At 11:17 AM 5/19/2009, Peter Caldwell wrote:
>Customer needs the short front Girling shock mounting bolt.
>
>Anyone have one to sell, or know a source?
>
>Thanks
>
>Peter C

From lawrie at britcars.com  Tue May 19 15:32:30 2009
From: lawrie at britcars.com (Lawrie Alexander)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:32:30 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] Accessory "trouble light"
Message-ID: <6B853C6978384717B43563D6164F574B@shop>

Hi, folks,

I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that plug into 
the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the brown ones 
with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang it up under 
the bonnet.

His search via the 'net is stymied by his not knowing if it has a real name 
(searching for "accessory auto lamps" takes him to all sorts of quite wrong 
lamps!), and he has no idea what he should pay if he does manage to find one 
of the correct lamps.

Any help or insight would be appreciated.

Lawrie Alexander 

From eabb at loc.gov  Tue May 19 15:58:31 2009
From: eabb at loc.gov (Eugene D Abbondelo)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:58:31 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] Accessory "trouble light"
In-Reply-To: <6B853C6978384717B43563D6164F574B@shop>
References: <6B853C6978384717B43563D6164F574B@shop>
Message-ID: <4A12F347020000740006B1B5@ntgwgate.loc.gov>

Lawrie:

Our cousins seem to call them "Inspection lamps" or "Inspection lights"  A
quick search on UK Ebay under classic car parts shows 5 for sale, but I didn't
look at each description to see if it fits your needs.

Gregory's autoparts in the UK (http://www.gregorysautoparts.co.uk) also has
them for sale. Search under "Inspection lamps"
I've purchased a number of items from them for my 1935 Singer LeMans and they
are very good, as is Paul Becks.

Gene


>>> "Lawrie Alexander" <lawrie at britcars.com> 5/19/2009 5:32 PM >>>
Hi, folks,

I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that plug into
the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the brown ones
with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang it up under
the bonnet.

His search via the 'net is stymied by his not knowing if it has a real name
(searching for "accessory auto lamps" takes him to all sorts of quite wrong
lamps!), and he has no idea what he should pay if he does manage to find one
of the correct lamps.

Any help or insight would be appreciated.

Lawrie Alexander
Mg-t at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t

Archives at http://www.team.net/archive

From Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz  Tue May 19 17:27:04 2009
From: Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz (Douglas Ormrod)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:27:04 +1200
Subject: [Mg-t] Accessory "trouble light"
In-Reply-To: <4A12F347020000740006B1B5@ntgwgate.loc.gov>
Message-ID: <D90EBE7D0FC5544994DE4B0D5283EC440D36F5@NFSVR01.neurological.local>

Made by Lucas one here on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-CLASSIC-CAR-LUCAS-INSPECTION-LIGHT-LAMP-TOOL
KIT_W0QQitemZ380124998740QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarPar
ts_SM?hash=item5881372c54&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177

The little lucas two-pin plugs are hard to find - often cost more than
the lamp!

Cheers

Douglas


-----Original Message-----
From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Eugene D Abbondelo
Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2009 9:59 AM
To: mg-t at autox.team.net; Lawrie Alexander
Cc: MMM Group
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Accessory "trouble light"

Lawrie:

Our cousins seem to call them "Inspection lamps" or "Inspection lights"
A
quick search on UK Ebay under classic car parts shows 5 for sale, but I
didn't
look at each description to see if it fits your needs.

Gregory's autoparts in the UK (http://www.gregorysautoparts.co.uk) also
has
them for sale. Search under "Inspection lamps"
I've purchased a number of items from them for my 1935 Singer LeMans and
they
are very good, as is Paul Becks.

Gene


>>> "Lawrie Alexander" <lawrie at britcars.com> 5/19/2009 5:32 PM >>>
Hi, folks,

I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that plug
into
the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the brown
ones
with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang it up
under
the bonnet.

His search via the 'net is stymied by his not knowing if it has a real
name
(searching for "accessory auto lamps" takes him to all sorts of quite
wrong
lamps!), and he has no idea what he should pay if he does manage to find
one
of the correct lamps.

Any help or insight would be appreciated.

Lawrie Alexander
Mg-t at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t

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From shop at justbrits.com  Tue May 19 19:01:53 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:01:53 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] Accessory "trouble light"
In-Reply-To: <D90EBE7D0FC5544994DE4B0D5283EC440D36F5@NFSVR01.neurological.local>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAEADDFAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Our cousins seem to call them "Inspection lamps" or
"Inspection lights">>

The absolute BEST portable/re-chargeable IS made by Snap-On and
may be found in your friendly Ace Hardware!!! Wife gave me one for
Xmas and after initial 'charge', the thing IS WITHOUT a doubt the BRIGHTEST
light in my shop and VERY portable !!!  And holds a
charge for a VERY long time.

And at $40 I bought a couple MORE for the shop & cars !!!

Cords for lites ??  I don't NEED no stinking cords !!!  LOL

http://tinyurl.com/pp554o

OR

http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2639677&cp=&sr=1&kw=s
nap-on&origkw=snap-on&parentPage=search&searchId=38035612583

<<The little lucas two-pin plugs are hard to find - often cost more than
the lamp!>>

Radio Shack has them.

Somebody please forward to the MMM List as it IS one of the few I'm
on<G>!!

Ed
Please visit MY site at:		www.justbrits.com

From lawrie at britcars.com  Tue May 19 19:20:43 2009
From: lawrie at britcars.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?lawrie?=)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:20:43 -0800
Subject: [Mg-t] =?iso-8859-1?q?Accessory_=22trouble_light=22?=
Message-ID: <20090520012043.31702.qmail@s417.sureserver.com>

Thanks to everyone for the useful information. 

Per Chris Nowlan's suggestion, I've told my customer to contact his local Lucas dealer. I've also relayed to him the other, perhaps more helpful, suggestions .......

I do appreciate this list .... you guys are great!

Lawrie

(Chris ... you're still on my "A" list!!)

From mgcharlie at comcast.net  Wed May 20 06:54:07 2009
From: mgcharlie at comcast.net (Charlie Baldwin)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 08:54:07 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] Accessory "trouble light"
In-Reply-To: <4A12F347020000740006B1B5@ntgwgate.loc.gov>
References: <6B853C6978384717B43563D6164F574B@shop>
	<4A12F347020000740006B1B5@ntgwgate.loc.gov>
Message-ID: <4A13FD6F.3070000@comcast.net>

You could also check with any of the guys that sell original British car 
tools that came with the cars when new.  I know of a couple, one of 
which I'd have to find his name; the other is called Liverpool Motor 
Works owned by Jerry LaBant in Liverpool, PA.  Jerry specializes in the 
factory supplied "accessories" like this and also period after market 
accessories and automobilia. http://www.liverpoolmotorworks.com/
Charlie

Eugene D Abbondelo wrote:
> Lawrie:
>
> Our cousins seem to call them "Inspection lamps" or "Inspection lights"  A
> quick search on UK Ebay under classic car parts shows 5 for sale, but I didn't
> look at each description to see if it fits your needs.
>
> Gregory's autoparts in the UK (http://www.gregorysautoparts.co.uk) also has
> them for sale. Search under "Inspection lamps"
> I've purchased a number of items from them for my 1935 Singer LeMans and they
> are very good, as is Paul Becks.
>
> Gene
>
>
>   
>>>> "Lawrie Alexander" <lawrie at britcars.com> 5/19/2009 5:32 PM >>>
>>>>         
> Hi, folks,
>
> I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that plug into
> the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the brown ones
> with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang it up under
> the bonnet.
>
> His search via the 'net is stymied by his not knowing if it has a real name
> (searching for "accessory auto lamps" takes him to all sorts of quite wrong
> lamps!), and he has no idea what he should pay if he does manage to find one
> of the correct lamps.
>
> Any help or insight would be appreciated.
>
> Lawrie Alexander
> Mg-t at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t
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From clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com  Wed May 20 10:49:58 2009
From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com (Clive Sherriff)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:49:58 +0100
Subject: [Mg-t] [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light"
References: <d62.35ad6d5c.37455cdb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BFF370A511C545CB96523CCF930BCA99@cypress>

Don,

>>>5c/309  (Picture of a crown) with A.M.
       under crown. <<<

This indicates that this was a (probably) world
War II UK Royal Air Force Air Ministry (A.M.)
item, hence too the crown signifying government
property.

5c/xxx is typical for many small aircraft electrical
parts such as switches.

Clive
Oxford UK
========================================
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DB35PA at aol.com>
To: <lawrie at britcars.com>; <mg-t at autox.team.net>
Cc: <mg-mmm at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light"


> Lawrie,
> My prewar Moss Catalogue call it "Tool set inspection lamp with lead and
> plug". I have also heard them referred to as... "Portable torch" and
> "Roadside  Torch". On my lamp itself (black) is says...LAMP INSPECTION 
> MKII
> Ref no.
> 5c/309  (Picture of a crown) with A.M. under crown. I paid way too much!
> Hope this helps
> Don B.

From lawrie at britcars.com  Wed May 20 11:03:53 2009
From: lawrie at britcars.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?lawrie?=)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:03:53 -0800
Subject: [Mg-t]
	=?iso-8859-1?q?=5BMg-mmm=5D_Accessory_=22trouble_light=22?=
Message-ID: <20090520170353.19666.qmail@s417.sureserver.com>

Don,

"Pre-war Moss catalog"? Obviously not a "Moss catalog printed before the war" so it must be a "catalog of parts sold by Moss for pre-war cars".

Even though I worked for Moss from 1980 to 1987, have been a Distriutor of their parts since then and am currently one of their Tech Service Consultants, I've never heard of this publication! 

Where did you come across it and does it have anything useful for MMM owners?

Regards,

Lawrie

PS My PA is finally on the road, albeit without a top or side curtains yet. The Centric seems loath to produce more than 2-1/2 lbs of boost (despite 1:1 pulleys and having been rebuilt by Nigel the Centric expert in England), and the performance is less than impressive. Still, I finally managed to fix the oil leaks so progress is definitely being made. About time, eh?!


>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: DB35PA at aol.com
>  Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light"
>  Sent: 20 May '09 05:17
>  
>  Lawrie,
>  My prewar Moss Catalogue call it "Tool set inspection lamp with lead and
>  plug". I have also heard them referred to as... "Portable torch" and
>  "Roadside  Torch". On my lamp itself (black) is says...LAMP INSPECTION MKII
>  Ref no. 5c/309  (Picture of a crown) with A.M. under crown. I paid way too
>  much!
>  Hope this helps
>  Don B.
>  
>  
>  In a message dated 5/19/2009 16:33:48 Central Daylight Time,
>  lawrie at britcars.com writes: Hi,   folks,
>  
>  I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that   plug
>  into
>  the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the   brown
>  ones
>  with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang   it up
>  under
>  the bonnet.
>  
>  His search via the 'net is stymied by his   not knowing if it has a real
>  name
>  (searching for "accessory auto lamps"   takes him to all sorts of quite
>  wrong
>  lamps!), and he has no idea what he   should pay if he does manage to find
>  one
>  of the correct lamps.
>  
>  Any   help or insight would be appreciated.
>  
>  Lawrie Alexander
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From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com  Wed May 20 20:18:47 2009
From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:18:47 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light"
In-Reply-To: <20090520170353.19666.qmail@s417.sureserver.com>
References: <20090520170353.19666.qmail@s417.sureserver.com>
Message-ID: <9967DE036EF24CD48583004F6EA168DE@roundabout.com>

Moss Europe bought out the stock and catalog of Barry Walker's "Pre-War MG
Parts Centre" some years back and reprinted the old catalog - albeit in
Xeroxed form. I think that's what Don meant.

Cheers,
Lew Palmer

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of lawrie
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:04 PM
To: DB35PA at aol.com; mg-t at autox.team.net
Cc: mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mg-t][Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light"

Don,

"Pre-war Moss catalog"? Obviously not a "Moss catalog printed before the
war" so it must be a "catalog of parts sold by Moss for pre-war cars".

Even though I worked for Moss from 1980 to 1987, have been a Distriutor of
their parts since then and am currently one of their Tech Service
Consultants, I've never heard of this publication! 

Where did you come across it and does it have anything useful for MMM
owners?

Regards,

Lawrie

PS My PA is finally on the road, albeit without a top or side curtains yet.
The Centric seems loath to produce more than 2-1/2 lbs of boost (despite 1:1
pulleys and having been rebuilt by Nigel the Centric expert in England), and
the performance is less than impressive. Still, I finally managed to fix the
oil leaks so progress is definitely being made. About time, eh?!


>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: DB35PA at aol.com
>  Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light"
>  Sent: 20 May '09 05:17
>  
>  Lawrie,
>  My prewar Moss Catalogue call it "Tool set inspection lamp with lead and
>  plug". I have also heard them referred to as... "Portable torch" and
>  "Roadside  Torch". On my lamp itself (black) is says...LAMP INSPECTION
MKII
>  Ref no. 5c/309  (Picture of a crown) with A.M. under crown. I paid way
too
>  much!
>  Hope this helps
>  Don B.
>  
>  
>  In a message dated 5/19/2009 16:33:48 Central Daylight Time,
>  lawrie at britcars.com writes: Hi,   folks,
>  
>  I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that   plug
>  into
>  the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the   brown
>  ones
>  with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang   it up
>  under
>  the bonnet.
>  
>  His search via the 'net is stymied by his   not knowing if it has a real
>  name
>  (searching for "accessory auto lamps"   takes him to all sorts of quite
>  wrong
>  lamps!), and he has no idea what he   should pay if he does manage to
find
>  one
>  of the correct lamps.
>  
>  Any   help or insight would be appreciated.
>  
>  Lawrie Alexander
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From Emgeeguy at aol.com  Fri May 22 19:18:24 2009
From: Emgeeguy at aol.com (Emgeeguy at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:18:24 EDT
Subject: [Mg-t] paint
Message-ID: <c07.5e2abe93.3748a8e0@aol.com>

I have some paint in the garage for TD wheels, If I remember when I get 
home I;ll look for it. I'm in Phoenix, AZ on a consulting assignment.
**************Recession-proof vacation ideas.  Find free things to do in 
the U.S. 
(http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002)

From shop at justbrits.com  Fri May 22 20:43:59 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:43:59 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] paint
In-Reply-To: <c07.5e2abe93.3748a8e0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJMEHBDFAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<I'm in Phoenix, AZ on a consulting assignment.>>

er WRONG time of the year, huh<G>?  WHY couldn't
happen in Nov, Dec, Jan or Feb?!?!?!?!   LOL

From gunnellj at athenet.net  Sat May 23 07:47:26 2009
From: gunnellj at athenet.net (gunnellj at athenet.net)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:47:26 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] MG Td push rods
Message-ID: <20090523094726.2zuw1t1fbogkckss@webmail.athenet.net>

Hi Mates

We have discussed this previously, debating whteher the "long" push rods Moss sells would work in my rebuilt XPAG engine with the Crane cam and the machined head. 

The debate is over. The rocker arm assembly came back from Rocker Arm Specialists and when we installed in the push rods were too long. 

I immediately cell-phoned Moss at 6pm central time. They had no techs available then. The order taker said they no longer have the short push rods. They come up on the computer as "looking for a manufacturer." Of course, since the long push rods are three times the price, they may not be looking too hard. Oh, well. 

So as I was told earlier, I need to have the "long" push rods I bought machined down to size. What I am looking for is specifuics. How does the machine shop take the long rods apart so they can macvhine them? They may know the answer at the shop, but sometimes you just get a blank look as they are not used to doing such work every day. Also, I'm assuming the measurement listed in a note in the Moss catalog is the one to use. 

Any advice will be appreciated. 

John Gunnell

From shop at justbrits.com  Sat May 23 18:10:55 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 19:10:55 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] MG Td push rods
In-Reply-To: <20090523094726.2zuw1t1fbogkckss@webmail.athenet.net>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJMEIGDFAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Any advice will be appreciated.>>

John, did you get my PM from today & sent at 11:33 AM CDT ???

Ed

From shop at justbrits.com  Sun May 24 12:22:11 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:22:11 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] MG Td push rods
In-Reply-To: <DB8A0BCD-4467-4EE6-8EA2-49570F015CA9@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJMEJHDFAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<I don't think so.>>

John, PM has been sent !!!

Ed

From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net  Mon May 25 15:28:54 2009
From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:28:54 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] TD front axle
Message-ID: <0AC8EE76-FC7F-45A7-BCE4-8E677090B221@sbcglobal.net>

I discovered my TD 2541 has a big washer between the bearing and nut  
and no grease hub cap.  I discovered the washer rides up onto the  
bearing and the washer wears and causes heat.

I looked in the mg manual and it shows (section I figure 1.2) a felt  
washer, grease retaining washer and nut. and section K.16 talks about  
a service kit for cars without a hub to stop grease leakage.  I don't  
understand how a felt washer would let you torque the nut properly.

Moss shows washer and nut with grease cap.

I'm assuming my best path would be to torque the nut and then try to  
find a way to seal the hub or just keep it clean.   Anybody else have  
a better idea or know a different solution?  I'm also assuming moss's  
grease cap won't fit the early car.

Thanks,  Mike

From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca  Mon May 25 16:27:42 2009
From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:27:42 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] TD front axle
In-Reply-To: <0AC8EE76-FC7F-45A7-BCE4-8E677090B221@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP9492C15539EAD21CB4D71692550@phx.gbl>

Mike,
The big washer should be dished so it does not contact the outer bearing
race when the nut is tight.  A flat washer will contact the outer race and
wear and cause problems.
If you change to sealed wheel bearings, no need to worry about the felt
washer etc.
Measure the inside diameter of the wheel hub and find a grease cap that fits
or make one, plastic aerosol can lid? The TD wheel hub cap will keep most of
the dirt away from the bearing.
Bob Grunau
TD owner since 18 Jan. 1958.

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Mike Duvall
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:29 PM
To: mg-t at autox.team.net; mgs at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mg-t] TD front axle


I discovered my TD 2541 has a big washer between the bearing and nut
and no grease hub cap.  I discovered the washer rides up onto the
bearing and the washer wears and causes heat.

I looked in the mg manual and it shows (section I figure 1.2) a felt
washer, grease retaining washer and nut. and section K.16 talks about
a service kit for cars without a hub to stop grease leakage.  I don't
understand how a felt washer would let you torque the nut properly.

Moss shows washer and nut with grease cap.

I'm assuming my best path would be to torque the nut and then try to
find a way to seal the hub or just keep it clean.   Anybody else have
a better idea or know a different solution?  I'm also assuming moss's
grease cap won't fit the early car.

Thanks,  Mike
Mg-t at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t

Archives at http://www.team.net/archive

From mgbob at juno.com  Tue May 26 08:13:06 2009
From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:13:06 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] MG Td push rods
Message-ID: <20090526.101306.224.15.MGBOB@juno.com>

Hi John,
   When we found it necessary to shorten the Crane pushrods, removal of
one end ( it may have been the ball end, but I do not remember with
certainty) pulled right out of the tube; the end was not spot welded. 
    Use the catalogue measurement as a place to begin, but fit the
gasket, head and rocker assy loosely so that you can check the necessary
length of the pushrod to fit your engine. 
Bob
 
On Sat, 23 May 2009 09:47:26 -0400 gunnellj at athenet.net writes:
> Hi Mates
> 
> We have discussed this previously, debating whteher the "long" push 
> rods Moss sells would work in my rebuilt XPAG engine with the Crane 
> cam and the machined head. 
> 
> The debate is over. The rocker arm assembly came back from Rocker 
> Arm Specialists and when we installed in the push rods were too 
> long. 
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From kingseim at earthlink.net  Tue May 26 09:01:09 2009
From: kingseim at earthlink.net (John Seim)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:01:09 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] MG T series push rods
In-Reply-To: <20090526.101306.224.15.MGBOB@juno.com>
References: <20090526.101306.224.15.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <D6C5D118-4BDA-4D97-A8C6-546239AB3F06@earthlink.net>

What is the best recommended method for attaching the components of
a push rod together. Weld, epoxy, or ?
I've got some with a loose end.

John Seim
Irvine, CA

From shop at justbrits.com  Tue May 26 12:19:58 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:19:58 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] New PA legislation !!!  FYI & FWIW
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAENPDFAA.shop@justbrits.com>

>From SEMA & for ALL Penseltuckians!!!

Pennsylvania HB 1172: Classic vehicles would be exempt from needing a
certificate of inspection before being registered.

From mgcharlie at comcast.net  Tue May 26 13:24:35 2009
From: mgcharlie at comcast.net (Charlie Baldwin)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:24:35 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] New PA legislation !!!  FYI & FWIW
In-Reply-To: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAENPDFAA.shop@justbrits.com>
References: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAENPDFAA.shop@justbrits.com>
Message-ID: <4A1C41F3.1040209@comcast.net>

Ed,
That is good news, but in PA "classic cars" are defined as 15 years or 
older.  "Antique cars" at 25 years or older, never did need to be 
inspected.  Pictures are required to get a car registered as an antique 
and no state inspection is required after that.  My daily driver Subaru 
Alpine Sport wagon is 15 years old and I don't intend to put classic 
tags on it because then the mileage will be limited.
Nowadays a 15 year old car doesn't really seem that old.  My TD was 18 
years old when I bought it and seemed to be so far from a modern car, 
even in 1970.  My tricarb Healey was only 11 years old when I bought it 
in '73 and again seemed ancient compared to the current cars.  I have an 
'85 RX7 also and even though it will be an "antique" next year, it could 
easily be an everyday car today.  I guess the Brits were a bit behind 
the times.
Hard to believe in the current climate that the gov't would be letting 
up on regs for cars.
Charlie

Ed's Shop wrote:
> >From SEMA & for ALL Penseltuckians!!!
>
> Pennsylvania HB 1172: Classic vehicles would be exempt from needing a
> certificate of inspection before being registered.
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From emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May 26 19:48:49 2009
From: emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk (David Lodge)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 01:48:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods
Message-ID: <502218.27132.qm@web24308.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hello John,
i hear solder works.
Regards, Lodge

--- On Tue, 26/5/09, Madhusudhanan Paroor <madhuparoor at googlemail.com> wrote:

From: Madhusudhanan Paroor <madhuparoor at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods
To: "John Seim" <kingseim at earthlink.net>
Cc: mg-tabc at yahoogroups.com, "MG" <Mg-t at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, 26 May, 2009, 5:30 PM




      
      Hi John,

Did any body tell you that you can weld, or use epoxy etc on a push rod ?

It is beyond my fantasy.


Please do get another used or new one. It is cheaper than a broken XPAG !!!


Madhu


On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:01 PM, John Seim <kingseim at earthlink. net> wrote:


>

>

> What is the best recommended method for attaching the components of

> a push rod together. Weld, epoxy, or ?

> I've got some with a loose end.

>

> John Seim

> Irvine, CA

>

> >

>

>


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From jquilter at peoplepc.com  Tue May 26 20:18:35 2009
From: jquilter at peoplepc.com (John Quilter)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:18:35 -0700
Subject: [Mg-t] New PA legislation !!!  FYI & FWIW
References: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJAENPDFAA.shop@justbrits.com>
	<4A1C41F3.1040209@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003101c9de71$728ec640$2101a8c0@peoplepc>

As one who closely follows automotive legislation regarding classic or
antique cars in California I would be very interested to know if under PA
laws exemption from state inspection includes exemption from emissions
testing.   In California there is no inspection other than the biannual
emissions test (which is quite strict and now includes a fuel vapor loss
test).  All cars back to 1976 model year are subject to test.   IIRC cars
newer than 4 years are exempted.   A revision to the law is pending in
Sacramento that would require annual versus biannual testing for all cars
over 15 years old back to 1976 model year.  Assembly Bill 859.  The costs of
the test run from $50 to $80.

John Quilter
Brisbane, California
1951 MGTD
1960 Morris Minor
1969 Austin America
1965 Jaguar 3.8S
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Baldwin" <mgcharlie at comcast.net>
To: "Ed's Shop" <shop at justbrits.com>; "T series list" <mg-t at autox.team.net>;
"healey list" <healeys at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] New PA legislation !!! FYI & FWIW


> Ed,
> That is good news, but in PA "classic cars" are defined as 15 years or
> older.  "Antique cars" at 25 years or older, never did need to be
> inspected.  Pictures are required to get a car registered as an antique
> and no state inspection is required after that.  My daily driver Subaru
> Alpine Sport wagon is 15 years old and I don't intend to put classic
> tags on it because then the mileage will be limited.
> Nowadays a 15 year old car doesn't really seem that old.  My TD was 18
> years old when I bought it and seemed to be so far from a modern car,
> even in 1970.  My tricarb Healey was only 11 years old when I bought it
> in '73 and again seemed ancient compared to the current cars.  I have an
> '85 RX7 also and even though it will be an "antique" next year, it could
> easily be an everyday car today.  I guess the Brits were a bit behind
> the times.
> Hard to believe in the current climate that the gov't would be letting
> up on regs for cars.
> Charlie
>
> Ed's Shop wrote:
> > >From SEMA & for ALL Penseltuckians!!!
> >
> > Pennsylvania HB 1172: Classic vehicles would be exempt from needing a
> > certificate of inspection before being registered.
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > Mg-t at autox.team.net
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t
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>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name
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From shop at justbrits.com  Wed May 27 11:36:07 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:36:07 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] [Spridgets] New PA legislation !!!  FYI & FWIW
In-Reply-To: <4AF856E12D9F45BB8FF33486AF4CEAC3@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJEEAHDGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Still, not many of today's automotive "technicians" have a bloody CLUE as
to how to inspect a vintage vehicle, and the number of qualified
"technicians"...>>

LMAO Bud in just thinkin' of one of those guys going over a MG TC or Austin
7  !!!!

Ed

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 28 19:08:21 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:08:21 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] seat belts
References: <050720090018.915.4A0228DD000D024A0000039322230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF04040E08080B@att.net>
	<E4A5C232-C9C4-490F-93BD-CC09D097F876@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004b01c9dff9$f6e0d3f0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>

hi, all.

what are the options for installing seat belts?  there currently are none. 
52 TD.

thanks! 

From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com  Thu May 28 19:39:59 2009
From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] seat belts
In-Reply-To: <004b01c9dff9$f6e0d3f0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
References: <050720090018.915.4A0228DD000D024A0000039322230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF04040E08080B@att.net><E4A5C232-C9C4-490F-93BD-CC09D097F876@earthlink.net>
	<004b01c9dff9$f6e0d3f0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <5876615A73B7450B960B8A32E05B66D4@roundabout.com>

Check the "Complete TD Restoration Manual" by Horst Schach. He has a whole
chapter dedicated to installing seat belts.

Cheers,
Lew Palmer

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of oliver
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:08 PM
To: mg-t at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mg-t] seat belts

hi, all.

what are the options for installing seat belts?  there currently are none. 
52 TD.

thanks! 
Mg-t at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t

Archives at http://www.team.net/archive

From shop at justbrits.com  Thu May 28 20:28:51 2009
From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:28:51 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] seat belts
In-Reply-To: <5876615A73B7450B960B8A32E05B66D4@roundabout.com>
Message-ID: <OLECLAFDGBNPEJPOHHIJCEEDDGAA.shop@justbrits.com>

<<Check the "Complete TD Restoration Manual" by Horst Schach. He has a whole
chapter dedicated to installing seat belts.>>

And it IS very excellent indeed, Lew<G>!!

Ed

From TATERRY at aol.com  Fri May 29 17:52:21 2009
From: TATERRY at aol.com (TATERRY at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:52:21 EDT
Subject: [Mg-t] Totally Type CD
Message-ID: <ca5.3f5c9030.3751cf35@aol.com>

Those listers who read bTotally T-Typeb, the bi-monthly magazine of the T
Register of the MG Car Club in the UK, will be interested to learn that the
Register has just made a CD of Issues 1 to 33 (January 2004 to May 2009).
Every issue is reproduced in full (not just the technical articles) and there
is also a fully searchable index by pressing the key word search button and
additionally, a separate listing of all the technical articles, compiled by
Stewart Penfound the TABC Registrar.

I have just received mine from John James and it works a treat. You need to
have the Internet running in the background for everything to work OK. The
CD costs B#8.25 including mailing charge to the US. You can order via PayPal
to <A HREF="mailto:regalia at tregister.org">regalia at tregister.org</A> or contact
John James at <A
HREF="mailto:jj at octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk">jj at octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk
</A> for further details.

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From clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com  Sat May 30 01:57:00 2009
From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com (Clive Sherriff)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:57:00 +0100
Subject: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods
References: <580866.21402.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004AC4E96C32499CA0D61DF461CDAD55@cypress>

Silver solder would be the best solution probably -
a lot stronger than regular silver.  Although a hotter
process, it's not hot enough to alter the push rod's
metaluric structure which Brazing or Welding would
do.

Clive
Oxford UK
=================================
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Chip Hellie
  To: mg-tabc at yahoogroups.com ; John Seim
  Cc: MG
  Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods





  John, I have soldered loose ends and seems to work fine. Not much heat
required and weight shouldn't be a factor in such a high performance engine as
the xpag. Only worry I had was if solder broke maybe metal shavings work out
and fill pan but never seems to happen.
  Chip

  --- On Tue, 5/26/09, John Seim <kingseim at earthlink.net> wrote:

  From: John Seim <kingseim at earthlink.net>
  Subject: [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods
  To: mg-tabc at yahoogroups.com
  Cc: "MG" <Mg-t at autox.team.net>
  Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 8:01 AM

  What is the best recommended method for attaching the components of
  a push rod together. Weld, epoxy, or ?
  I've got some with a loose end.

  John Seim
  Irvine, CA

  >

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From clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com  Sat May 30 06:02:26 2009
From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com (Clive Sherriff)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:02:26 +0100
Subject: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods
References: <580866.21402.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<004AC4E96C32499CA0D61DF461CDAD55@cypress>
Message-ID: <FA8F421CAF05486C9FB7E982037AFA0C@cypress>

Oppps!

For "regular silver" read "regular solder"

Clive
=================================
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clive Sherriff" <clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com>
To: <mg-tabc at yahoogroups.com>; "John Seim" <kingseim at earthlink.net>; "Chip 
Hellie" <chiphelli at yahoo.com>
Cc: "MG" <Mg-t at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods


> Silver solder would be the best solution probably -
> a lot stronger than regular silver.  Although a hotter
> process, it's not hot enough to alter the push rod's
> metaluric structure which Brazing or Welding would
> do.
>
> Clive
> Oxford UK
================================== 

From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca  Sat May 30 06:23:34 2009
From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 08:23:34 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] [mg-tabc] MG T series push rods
In-Reply-To: <FA8F421CAF05486C9FB7E982037AFA0C@cypress>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4223A049A644E1480AE91B924E0@phx.gbl>

Regardless of what method used to fasten the pushrod ends, ( except cold
crimping ) it will be necessary to remove one end and wash out all oil
inside the hollow tube. Any type of welding or silver soldering will be very
difficult if any oil is in the tube.

I remove the loose end, wash out the tube, insert loose end back into the
tube and compress the pushrod assembly slightly so the end shoulders are in
contact with the tube end . Then a spot of TIG weld on two sides of the
connection between pushrod and end will secure the connections.
Silver soldering should also work after cleaning the oil out.
But washing the oil out first is an important step.
Bob Grunau
Canada

Oppps!

For "regular silver" read "regular solder"

Clive

> Silver solder would be the best solution probably -
> a lot stronger than regular silver.  Although a hotter
> process, it's not hot enough to alter the push rod's
> metaluric structure which Brazing or Welding would
> do.
>
> Clive
> Oxford UK

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun May 31 14:50:55 2009
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Mg-t] water pump
References: <20090507.102147.2128.8.MGBOB@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000201c9e231$7fbe42a0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>

Hi, all.

1952 MG TD - relatively original car.

water pump is a green? color; rest of the engine components, what's left of 
the paint is red.

does this mean the pump has been replaced?  or is that a correct original 
color.

thanks. 

From budkrueger at comcast.net  Sun May 31 16:25:19 2009
From: budkrueger at comcast.net (Bud Krueger)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:25:19 -0400
Subject: [Mg-t] water pump
In-Reply-To: <000201c9e231$7fbe42a0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
References: <20090507.102147.2128.8.MGBOB@juno.com>
	<000201c9e231$7fbe42a0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local>
Message-ID: <4A2303CF.9000802@comcast.net>

It would have originally been red.  As expected, after 50 years, it's 
been replaced.

Bud Krueger

oliver wrote:
> Hi, all.
>
> 1952 MG TD - relatively original car.
>
> water pump is a green? color; rest of the engine components, what's 
> left of the paint is red.
>
> does this mean the pump has been replaced?  or is that a correct 
> original color.
>
> thanks. _______________________________________________

From taterry at pacbell.net  Sun May 31 19:30:13 2009
From: taterry at pacbell.net (Terry Sanders)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:30:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mg-t] water pump
Message-ID: <103771.6759.qm@web83408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi Oliver, I would say your water pump has been replaced/rebuilt some time in
the past original TD engines would be red baised toward maroon.
Terry in Oakland

--- On Sun, 5/31/09, oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: oliver <sumton at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Mg-t] water pump
To: mg-t at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 1:50 PM


Hi, all.

1952 MG TD - relatively original car.

water pump is a green? color; rest of the engine components, what's left of
the paint is red.

does this mean the pump has been replaced?  or is that a correct original
color.

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From spook01 at comcast.net  Sun May 31 22:42:23 2009
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 04:42:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Mg-t] car seaRCH
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hi guys,

anyone know of a nice Y type going on the block in the states??

contact me offline.B  a buddy is interested.

ray