From shop at justbrits.com Thu Jun 4 20:24:59 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:24:59 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Auto Industry 101 - #1 Article by John Voelcker of Green Car Reports In-Reply-To: <32c256b50906041551s3a4f6e92m3befcd08a7403fbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: VERY 'interesting' read !!!!! Ed ***************************************************************** <<"Why Obama Could Be The Best Thing For Detroit Since Henry Ford" http://www.greencarreports.com/blog/1020859_why-obama-could-be-the-best-thin g-for-detroit-since-henry-ford By John Voelcker greencarreports.com>> From peter at nosimport.com Thu Jun 4 21:05:56 2009 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:05:56 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] [Healeys] Auto Industry 101 - #1 Article by John Voelcker of Green Car Reports In-Reply-To: References: <32c256b50906041551s3a4f6e92m3befcd08a7403fbe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906042006524.SM02468@owner-3b66599e3.nosimport.com> (Oh boy!!) HEY ED, ever hear of TINY URL? anon At 09:24 PM 6/4/2009, Ed's Shop wrote: >VERY 'interesting' read !!!!! > >Ed >***************************************************************** ><<"Why Obama Could Be The Best Thing For Detroit Since Henry Ford" > >http://www.greencarreports.com/blog/1020859_why-obama-could-be-the-best-thin >g-for-detroit-since-henry-ford > >By John Voelcker >greencarreports.com>> From sumton at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 4 21:16:05 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:16:05 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] remove radiator and water pump References: <20090418000423.rpwas5sf4rj4ckg8@webmail.athenet.net><49EA89EE.2040306@comcast.net> <49EB3E3B.7070900@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001601c9e58b$f7ccf8b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> hi, all. is there a good set of instructions for removing the radiator, and then the water pump, somewhere on line? thanks. From Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz Thu Jun 4 21:31:46 2009 From: Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz (Douglas Ormrod) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:31:46 +1200 Subject: [Mg-t] Lucas Catalogue on web In-Reply-To: <004b01c9dff9$f6e0d3f0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> References: <050720090018.915.4A0228DD000D024A0000039322230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF04040E08080B@att.net> <004b01c9dff9$f6e0d3f0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> Message-ID: A few weeks ago there was a thread about Lucas inspection lamps. While poking about the web I came across this origianl Lucas Catalogue that some kind person has scanned and put up there. It dates from 1953 which is nicely in our era. Has all the lamps and other electrical bits fitted to the T cars. Including the two types of inspection lamp. Worth printing out. http://www.scribd.com/doc/7027233/Lucas-Catalogue-of-Quality-Electrical- Equipment-1953 Cheers Douglas From anngene at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 4 21:46:06 2009 From: anngene at bellsouth.net (anngene at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:46:06 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] remove radiator and water pump In-Reply-To: <001601c9e58b$f7ccf8b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> References: <20090418000423.rpwas5sf4rj4ckg8@webmail.athenet.net><49EA89EE.2040306@comcast.net><49EB3E3B.7070900@comcast.net> <001601c9e58b$f7ccf8b0$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <69C20748BF7547549E6CBA60B959E74D@Home> Oliver asks: " is there a good set of instructions for removing the radiator, and then the water pump, somewhere on line?" Oliver, The water pump can be removed without removing the radiator...just tape a piece of cardboard to the radiator fins to protect your knuckles. If you do want to pull the radiator it's not hard. Remove the bonnet (hood), remove the two radiator hoses, remove the radiator stays from the firewall to the radiator, then finally remove the two nuts at the bottom of the radiator and lift it out. Gene From clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com Fri Jun 5 02:39:10 2009 From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com (Clive Sherriff) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:39:10 +0100 Subject: [Mg-t] Bodywork designers References: <12662.79690.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83BDEBFF0F5642E3B63592C8C108499D@cypress> With MG producing new models quite frequently from 1929 on, one thing I have never come accross is the names of anyone connected with drawing up the body designs. Was there a design team and who do we owe thanks to for the body lines of the various MMM and T Type sports and the other saloon and tourer models? Clive Oxford UK From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com Fri Jun 5 09:25:41 2009 From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:25:41 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] [Mg-mmm] [mg-tabc] Bodywork designers In-Reply-To: <4BB298834E6046ACB5FE8C259F92FFFE@computer> References: <12662.79690.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com><83BDEBFF0F5642E3B63592C8C108499D@cypress> <4BB298834E6046ACB5FE8C259F92FFFE@computer> Message-ID: In the case of the P-type and N-type Airline Coupes of 1934 - 1936, the body designer was the independent firm of H.W. Allingham (10 Stratford Place, London W1). Henry Allingham contracted with Carbodies and Wittingham & Mitchell to construct the bodywork and mount them on chassis supplied by MG. These were then dispatched to the main distributors to be advertised and sold along side other MG models of the era. Other independent body designers (Abbey, Charlesworth, and others) operated somewhat differently as they took delivery of the MG chassis, mounted their own bodywork and sold the cars through their own sales network. There is an excellent book on the various coachbuilders entitled "A - X of British Coachbuilders 1919 - 1960" by Nick Walker. It's a good read and very enlightening. Cheers, Lew Palmer The MG Airline Coupe Registry http://www.roundaboutmanor.com/airline -----Original Message----- From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Hughes Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:46 AM To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net; mg-tabc at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] [mg-tabc] Bodywork designers "With MG producing new models quite frequently from 1929 on, one thing I have never come across is the names of anyone connected with drawing up the body designs. Was there a design team and who do we owe thanks to for the body lines of the various MMM and T Type sports and the other saloon and tourer models?" Interesting question, Clive! M.G. Lore has it that Cecil Kimber himself was very interested in the styling of the M.G. offerings. In addition several coachbuilders supplied bodies for M.G. in the Kimber era: Charlesworth, Allingham, Cresta, Styles, Tickford, and others, while Carbodies of Coventry probably supplied the bulk of the pre-war coachwork. It would not be out of the question that coachbuilders either actively prospected for business or were invited, perhaps by Kimber himself, to submit body styling proposals for consideration. That would have been fairly common practice in the motor trade back in the days before the advent of corporate styling departments. Remember that the birth of M.G. is credited to Kimber himself designing and producing special bodied Morris cars inside William Morris' own repair shop. Remember, too, that William Lyons got his start in the Automobile business expanding the Swallow sidecar operation to design and build special bodies for the Austin Seven! Of course, we know by whom and how the final body of the coachbuilt era of M.G. was "styled." The TF body was done in-house at Abingdon when Syd Enever's MGA prototype was passed over for production by upper management in favor of the Healey 100. - Mike Hughes -t?t- '37 TA 0512 Alexandria, Virginia Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com http://www.team.net/archive From mgbob at juno.com Fri Jun 5 13:44:06 2009 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:44:06 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] remove radiator and water pump Message-ID: <20090605.154407.3432.11.MGBOB@juno.com> Hi Doug, The instructions in the workshop manual are accurate. There are no snares to the job. Once the headlamp bracket bolts are out, do not allow any weight on the fenders as they rely on those bolts for support. To unscrew the nuts below the front cross member, try wrapping a wrench in tape or cloth so it does not scratch the splash panel, then reach between rad and splash panel to turn the nuts. As they are loosened they move down and out of reach. When that happens, two wooden shingles can be pushed between rad and the Xmember to raise rad so that the nuts are again accessible. Repeat as needed. Bob On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:16:05 -0500 "oliver" writes: > hi, all. > > is there a good set of instructions for removing the radiator, and > then the > water pump, somewhere on line? > > thanks. ____________________________________________________________ Click to get free auto insurance quotes from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTImHcAHAsVg0vcZjK1lenN8KDWCIJ1yKzxvliuB9PQingnr1qyU5y/ From sumton at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 5 15:03:42 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:03:42 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] inspection sticker References: <20090605.154407.3432.11.MGBOB@juno.com> Message-ID: <000201c9e621$1e5e3710$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> We have a 1952 MGTD; it has a 1977 inspection sticker which includes: Serial or Vehicle Identification number: 19958-94160. does that make any sense to anyone? we can't figure out where that comes from, unless maybe it was for another car and "accidentally" put on this one. its a TD/20609 thanks From nels at flightsim.com Fri Jun 5 16:01:38 2009 From: nels at flightsim.com (Nels Anderson) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:01:38 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] inspection sticker In-Reply-To: <000201c9e621$1e5e3710$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> References: <20090605.154407.3432.11.MGBOB@juno.com> <000201c9e621$1e5e3710$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <4A2995C2.7090701@flightsim.com> Does your car still have its serial number plate? You should see on it the TD serial number 20609 and I bet you'll also see a line that says Body Number 19958/94160. Someone just copied the wrong line off the number plate. --Nels Anderson oliver wrote: > We have a 1952 MGTD; it has a 1977 inspection sticker which includes: > Serial or Vehicle Identification number: 19958-94160. does that make > any sense to anyone? we can't figure out where that comes from, > unless maybe it was for another car and "accidentally" put on this one. > > > > its a TD/20609 > > > > thanks From spook01 at comcast.net Fri Jun 5 17:16:54 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:16:54 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] [Mg-mmm] [mg-tabc] Bodywork designers References: <12662.79690.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com><83BDEBFF0F5642E3B63592C8C108499D@cypress> <4BB298834E6046ACB5FE8C259F92FFFE@computer> Message-ID: don't forget bob glammis of the businessman's coupe. he drowned in a freak boating accident when his wife ran over him with the runabout in which they were riding. btw, enever got the last laugh when the MGA saved MG from extinction again. it is interesting how many different cars were actually built at Abingdon...the MG, of course, that started the "magic", the riley (which had to be improved by MG before they could release it) , the Healy and I believe even some triumph's were screwed together there - but I could be wrong since most of the tr7's front suspensions dropped out on the road within 50 miles. were there any others?? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hughes" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] [mg-tabc] Bodywork designers > "With MG producing new models quite frequently > from 1929 on, one thing I have never come > across is the names of anyone connected with > drawing up the body designs. > > Was there a design team and who do we owe thanks > to for the body lines of the various MMM and T Type > sports and the other saloon and tourer models?" > > > Interesting question, Clive! > > M.G. Lore has it that Cecil Kimber himself was very interested in the > styling > of the M.G. offerings. In addition several coachbuilders supplied bodies > for > M.G. in the Kimber era: Charlesworth, Allingham, Cresta, Styles, > Tickford, > and others, while Carbodies of Coventry probably supplied the bulk of the > pre-war coachwork. It would not be out of the question that coachbuilders > either actively prospected for business or were invited, perhaps by Kimber > himself, to submit body styling proposals for consideration. That would > have > been fairly common practice in the motor trade back in the days before the > advent of corporate styling departments. Remember that the birth of M.G. > is > credited to Kimber himself designing and producing special bodied Morris > cars > inside William Morris' own repair shop. Remember, too, that William Lyons > got > his start in the Automobile business expanding the Swallow sidecar > operation > to design and build special bodies for the Austin Seven! > > Of course, we know by whom and how the final body of the coachbuilt era of > M.G. was "styled." The TF body was done in-house at Abingdon when Syd > Enever's MGA prototype was passed over for production by upper management > in > favor of the Healey 100. > > - Mike Hughes -t?t- > '37 TA 0512 > Alexandria, Virginia > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as spook01 at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From jquilter at peoplepc.com Fri Jun 5 21:16:58 2009 From: jquilter at peoplepc.com (John Quilter) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:16:58 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] [Mg-mmm] [mg-tabc] Bodywork designers References: <12662.79690.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com><83BDEBFF0F5642E3B63592C8C108499D@cypress><4BB298834E6046ACB5FE8C259F92FFFE@computer> Message-ID: <005701c9e655$41387f00$2101a8c0@peoplepc> The Triumph TR7 was never built at Abingdon. It was however built at three separate BL plants, Speke (Liverpool) first, Canley (Coventry) second and ultimately at the Land Rover facility at Solihull. While early TR7s had their share of quality issues, as did most BL cars of the time, the front suspension/steering was not one of them. John F. Quilter Former Regional Warranty Manager British Leyland Motors Inc. Brisbane, California ----- Original Message ----- From: "spook01" To: "Mike Hughes" ; ; ; Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mg-mmm] [mg-tabc] Bodywork designers > don't forget bob glammis of the businessman's coupe. he drowned in a freak > boating accident when his wife ran over him with the runabout in which they > were riding. > btw, enever got the last laugh when the MGA saved MG from extinction again. > it is interesting how many different cars were actually built at > Abingdon...the MG, of course, that started the "magic", the riley (which had > to be improved by MG before they could release it) , the Healy and I believe > even some triumph's were screwed together there - but I could be wrong > since most of the tr7's front suspensions dropped out on the road within 50 > miles. > were there any others?? > Ray > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Hughes" > To: ; ; > > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] [mg-tabc] Bodywork designers > > > > "With MG producing new models quite frequently > > from 1929 on, one thing I have never come > > across is the names of anyone connected with > > drawing up the body designs. > > > > Was there a design team and who do we owe thanks > > to for the body lines of the various MMM and T Type > > sports and the other saloon and tourer models?" > > > > > > Interesting question, Clive! > > > > M.G. Lore has it that Cecil Kimber himself was very interested in the > > styling > > of the M.G. offerings. In addition several coachbuilders supplied bodies > > for > > M.G. in the Kimber era: Charlesworth, Allingham, Cresta, Styles, > > Tickford, > > and others, while Carbodies of Coventry probably supplied the bulk of the > > pre-war coachwork. It would not be out of the question that coachbuilders > > either actively prospected for business or were invited, perhaps by Kimber > > himself, to submit body styling proposals for consideration. That would > > have > > been fairly common practice in the motor trade back in the days before the > > advent of corporate styling departments. Remember that the birth of M.G. > > is > > credited to Kimber himself designing and producing special bodied Morris > > cars > > inside William Morris' own repair shop. Remember, too, that William Lyons > > got > > his start in the Automobile business expanding the Swallow sidecar > > operation > > to design and build special bodies for the Austin Seven! > > > > Of course, we know by whom and how the final body of the coachbuilt era of > > M.G. was "styled." The TF body was done in-house at Abingdon when Syd > > Enever's MGA prototype was passed over for production by upper management > > in > > favor of the Healey 100. > > > > - Mike Hughes -t?t- > > '37 TA 0512 > > Alexandria, Virginia > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > > > You are subscribed as spook01 at comcast.net > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From sumton at sbcglobal.net Fri Jun 5 22:15:38 2009 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 23:15:38 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] brass thingees References: <20090605.154407.3432.11.MGBOB@juno.com> <000201c9e621$1e5e3710$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> <4A2995C2.7090701@flightsim.com> Message-ID: <000601c9e65d$751c3660$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> holding down the rubber pieces under the gas tank and between the tank and the brace are brass almost cotter pins but with heads. what the heck are those and where does one get them? moss doesn't seem to list them. i guess i need six? From anngene at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 5 22:47:29 2009 From: anngene at bellsouth.net (anngene at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 23:47:29 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] brass thingees In-Reply-To: <000601c9e65d$751c3660$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> References: <20090605.154407.3432.11.MGBOB@juno.com><000201c9e621$1e5e3710$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local><4A2995C2.7090701@flightsim.com> <000601c9e65d$751c3660$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> Message-ID: Oliver asks: "holding down the rubber pieces under the gas tank and between the tank and the brace are brass almost cotter pins but with heads. what the heck are those and where does one get them? moss doesn't seem to list them." Oliver, Believe they're split rivets and can be found at www.restorationstuff.com Download their catalog...you'll find them on page 33...bottom right column. Gene From lawrie at britcars.com Fri Jun 5 22:48:19 2009 From: lawrie at britcars.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?lawrie?=) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:48:19 -0800 Subject: [Mg-t] =?iso-8859-1?q?brass_thingees?= Message-ID: <20090606044819.28300.qmail@s417.sureserver.com> Oliver, Those are known as bifurcated rivets. Not sure where you get them but that's what they are..... Maybe a shop that sells harness-making supplies? Lawrie > -------Original Message------- > From: oliver > Subject: [Mg-t] brass thingees > Sent: 05 Jun '09 20:15 > > holding down the rubber pieces under the gas tank and between the tank and > the brace are brass almost cotter pins but with heads. > > what the heck are those and where does one get them? moss doesn't seem to > list them. > > i guess i need six? > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sat Jun 6 05:09:04 2009 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 07:09:04 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] brass thingees References: <20090605.154407.3432.11.MGBOB@juno.com><000201c9e621$1e5e3710$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local><4A2995C2.7090701@flightsim.com> <000601c9e65d$751c3660$0d15a8c0@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <22CE835F0A2F45C8920B46C2C294AB43@Edscomputer> McMaster-Carr calls them split rivets. Here's a link: http://www.mcmaster.com/#rivets/=273qb0 Ed Woods From crownwheel at surfglobal.net Tue Jun 9 07:05:56 2009 From: crownwheel at surfglobal.net (Gene Fodor) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:05:56 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Data Message-ID: <006501c9e903$076764c0$16362e40$@net> Listers . in the June issue of The New England M.G. "T" Register's magazine, "The Sacred Octagon" in the Tech Section is a great article by Lister Dave DuBois. Be sure to read it and you can see Dave's other articles at http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/ This is a totally unsolicited testimonial to the knowledge and helpfulness of this list! Cheers Gene 1953 MG TD Original Vermont From scvc70 at epix.net Fri Jun 12 13:57:25 2009 From: scvc70 at epix.net (Carr&Edwards) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:57:25 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] "interesting" trip Message-ID: <285E778C2297443B947AE2FCE6F293F4@S0026273562> We've probably all heard the (apocryphal?) Chinese curse -- "May you live in interesting times." And we all know that traveling with an old car can be "interesting" indeed. This past Tuesday morning a woman named Emily Anderson started out from NYC in a 1909 Maxwell in what is already turning out to be a very "interesting" trip -- retracing the 1909 transcontinental journey of Alice Huyler Ramsey, the first woman to drive an automobile across the USA. (Those of you who are AACA or VMCCA members have read about this project in the club magazines.) I met the group when they arrived in Poughkeepsie, NY, on Tuesday afternoon (two hours late--already had to weld a broken spring bracket!), just to cheer them on, and have been following them since on their website. If you want to find out just how "interesting" a trip can be, go to http://aliceramsey.org. I won't ever complain again about having to change a fuel pump or a radiator hose or some other such trivial thing on the road! Sarah Carr (various LBCs-- some running, some not...) From bobmgtd at comcast.net Wed Jun 17 11:55:19 2009 From: bobmgtd at comcast.net (Bob Donahue) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:55:19 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? Message-ID: <007e01c9ef74$c7e66620$6600a8c0@yourmb2swywknr> Valvoline is touting it's VR1 racing oil as having plenty of Zinc (ZDDP I guess). Is there any down side to using this "racing oil" in my non-racing MGB and TD? Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana From leylandauto at yahoo.com Wed Jun 17 12:16:34 2009 From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? Message-ID: <463509.38807.qm@web51911.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The term Racing in this app is mostly a marketing term. The oil is for daily use. Carl --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Bob Donahue wrote: From: Bob Donahue Subject: [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? To: "mgs" Cc: "mg-t" Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:55 PM Valvoline is touting it's VR1 racing oil as having plenty of Zinc (ZDDP I guess). Is there any down side to using this "racing oil" in my non-racing MGB and TD? Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 Member: NEMGTR #11470 NAMGBR # 7-3336 Hoosier MGB Club Olde Octagons of Indiana You are subscribed as leylandauto at yahoo.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive From kvacek at ameritech.net Wed Jun 17 12:44:52 2009 From: kvacek at ameritech.net (Karl Vacek) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:44:52 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? References: <463509.38807.qm@web51911.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <93CC73CC1BDB4EBBB252209C8EFCFAB5@KARL> Are you certain about it being meant for daily use ?? There's been lots of discussion on the TRIUMPHS list about this very subject, and there's a general belief that all the Valvoline racing oils have less detergent, and thus require frequent changes because contaminants are NOT held in suspension as with normal motor oils. Particularly with an LBC that sees relatively little mileage, this would be a bad thing. Karl Vacek TC 6370 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? > The term Racing in this app is mostly a marketing term. The oil is for > daily > use. > Carl > > --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Bob Donahue wrote: > > Valvoline is touting it's VR1 racing oil as having plenty of Zinc (ZDDP I > guess). Is there any down side to using this "racing oil" in my non-racing > MGB > and TD? > > Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net > Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > Member: NEMGTR #11470 > NAMGBR # 7-3336 > Hoosier MGB Club > Olde Octagons of Indiana > You are subscribed as leylandauto at yahoo.com From leylandauto at yahoo.com Wed Jun 17 13:21:51 2009 From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? Message-ID: <764120.40924.qm@web51904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Let me say 'my bad' and look back into it. I think it was Hap Waldrop that I got that from. Carl --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Karl Vacek wrote: From: Karl Vacek Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? To: "Carl French" , "mgs" , "Bob Donahue" Cc: "mg-t" Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 2:44 PM Are you certain about it being meant for daily use ?? There's been lots of discussion on the TRIUMPHS list about this very subject, and there's a general belief that all the Valvoline racing oils have less detergent, and thus require frequent changes because contaminants are NOT held in suspension as with normal motor oils. Particularly with an LBC that sees relatively little mileage, this would be a bad thing. Karl Vacek TC 6370 Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? > The term Racing in this app is mostly a marketing term. The oil is for daily > use. > Carl > > --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Bob Donahue wrote: > > Valvoline is touting it's VR1 racing oil as having plenty of Zinc (ZDDP I > guess). Is there any down side to using this "racing oil" in my non-racing > MGB > and TD? > > Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net > Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > Member: NEMGTR #11470 > NAMGBR # 7-3336 > Hoosier MGB Club > Olde Octagons of Indiana > You are subscribed as leylandauto at yahoo.com From leylandauto at yahoo.com Wed Jun 17 14:14:10 2009 From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? Message-ID: <230807.47519.qm@web51907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You are looking at the wrong oil. The VR1 racing oil makes no such claim on it's site; "" ""The #1 selling racing motor oil. High zinc provides race-level protection for any vehicle. High zinc/phosphorus provides extreme wear protection, including flat tappet applicationsAdditional friction modfiers to help deliver maximum horsepowerEnhanced anti-foam system protects engine during extreme stressCompatible with gasoline or alcohol fuelsAvailable through leading auto parts retailers"" The site on the Valvoline.com site that talks about their non street legal racing oil does indeed say low detergent in it's first line; Valvoline. Specialty Racing Oil ("Not Street Legal") The low-detergent, high zinc racing oil optimized for track-use only, delivers increased horspower and extreme wear protection High zinc/phosphorus provides extreme wear protection, including flat tappet applicationsLow detergent formula to deliver maximum horsepower on the trackRecommended for race engines onlyCompatible with gasoline or alcohol fuelsAvailable by request through NAPA, Carquest, O'Reilly, Jeg's and performance shops served by Keystone Automotive Now for some reason my GT commuter car here at work has no spare oil in the back so I cant check the back of the bottle to see what it says. I'll keep looking cause the GT is my daily driver and I want to be careful with it. Carl --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Duvall Video Productions wrote: From: Duvall Video Productions Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? To: "Carl French" Cc: "mgs" , "mg-t" Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 2:22 PM Carl, It say right on Valvoline's web site it is a low detergent oil. You would have to change the oil frequently and it wouldn't do much to combat combustion byproducts or keep them suspended in the oil so they drain out. On Jun 17, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Carl French wrote: > The term Racing in this app is mostly a marketing term. The oil is for daily > use. > Carl > > --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Bob Donahue wrote: > > From: Bob Donahue > Subject: [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? > To: "mgs" > Cc: "mg-t" > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:55 PM > > Valvoline is touting it's VR1 racing oil as having plenty of Zinc (ZDDP I > guess). Is there any down side to using this "racing oil" in my non-racing > MGB > and TD? > > Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net > Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > Member: NEMGTR #11470 > NAMGBR # 7-3336 > Hoosier MGB Club > Olde Octagons of Indiana > You are subscribed as leylandauto at yahoo.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From leylandauto at yahoo.com Wed Jun 17 14:28:06 2009 From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? Message-ID: <757844.2782.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sorry, that cut and paste job looked good when I hit the send button, It looks pretty confusing now. Carl --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Carl French wrote: From: Carl French Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? To: "Duvall Video Productions" Cc: "mgs" , "mg-t" Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 4:14 PM You are looking at the wrong oil. The VR1 racing oil makes no such claim on it's site; "" ""The #1 selling racing motor oil. High zinc provides race-level protection for any vehicle. High zinc/phosphorus provides extreme wear protection, including flat tappet applicationsAdditional friction modfiers to help deliver maximum horsepowerEnhanced anti-foam system protects engine during extreme stressCompatible with gasoline or alcohol fuelsAvailable through leading auto parts retailers"" The site on the Valvoline.com site that talks about their non street legal racing oil does indeed say low detergent in it's first line; Valvoline. Specialty Racing Oil ("Not Street Legal") The low-detergent, high zinc racing oil optimized for track-use only, delivers increased horspower and extreme wear protection High zinc/phosphorus provides extreme wear protection, including flat tappet applicationsLow detergent formula to deliver maximum horsepower on the trackRecommended for race engines onlyCompatible with gasoline or alcohol fuelsAvailable by request through NAPA, Carquest, O'Reilly, Jeg's and performance shops served by Keystone Automotive Now for some reason my GT commuter car here at work has no spare oil in the back so I cant check the back of the bottle to see what it says. I'll keep looking cause the GT is my daily driver and I want to be careful with it. Carl --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Duvall Video Productions wrote: From: Duvall Video Productions Subject: Re: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? To: "Carl French" Cc: "mgs" , "mg-t" Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 2:22 PM Carl, It say right on Valvoline's web site it is a low detergent oil. You would have to change the oil frequently and it wouldn't do much to combat combustion byproducts or keep them suspended in the oil so they drain out. On Jun 17, 2009, at 1:16 PM, Carl French wrote: > The term Racing in this app is mostly a marketing term. The oil is for daily > use. > Carl > > --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Bob Donahue wrote: > > From: Bob Donahue > Subject: [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? > To: "mgs" > Cc: "mg-t" > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:55 PM > > Valvoline is touting it's VR1 racing oil as having plenty of Zinc (ZDDP I > guess). Is there any down side to using this "racing oil" in my non-racing > MGB > and TD? > > Bob Donahue (Still Stuck in the '50s) > Email - bobmgtd at comcast.net > Cars: 52 MGTD - #17639 > 71 MGB - #GHN5UB254361 > Member: NEMGTR #11470 > NAMGBR # 7-3336 > Hoosier MGB Club > Olde Octagons of Indiana > You are subscribed as leylandauto at yahoo.com > > > Mgs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From anngene at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 17 15:19:40 2009 From: anngene at bellsouth.net (anngene at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:19:40 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? In-Reply-To: <757844.2782.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <757844.2782.qm@web51905.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8AA5F455E5944869A9A664C8AC89610E@Home> I use VR1 in my car and according to this I don't see why I shouldn't: http://www.jegs.com/i/Valvoline%20Racing/949/VV235/10002/-1?CT=999 Valvoline " reduce(s) friction and enhance(s) power. It is among the most popular engine lubricants in racing, including CART, stock, and drag. It is recommended for engines burning gasoline and full or partial alcohol fuels for track and street service." Best regards, Gene Gillam Saucier, MS From shop at justbrits.com Wed Jun 17 15:36:36 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:36:36 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? In-Reply-To: <8AA5F455E5944869A9A664C8AC89610E@Home> Message-ID: <> THAT is a bit TO 'iffy' for me, Gene !!! I have BEEN using Castrol GTX 20w50 WITH the Lucas Additive in my daily driver '70 Camino AND that IS what's in the dozen or so motors I have re-built for customers for a tad OVER 2+ years with ZERO problems !!! K.I.S.S. & cheaper & with oil changes in the 3500-4000 miles. NFI & FWIW & YMMV & etc. & etc. & etc.!!!! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com From shop at justbrits.com Wed Jun 17 15:45:07 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:45:07 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? In-Reply-To: <93CC73CC1BDB4EBBB252209C8EFCFAB5@KARL> Message-ID: <> That would be correct, Karl !! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Wed Jun 17 17:17:06 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:17:06 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? In-Reply-To: <8AA5F455E5944869A9A664C8AC89610E@Home> Message-ID: I have used Valvoline VR-1 20W-50 racing oil in my race TC and road MGs. Last year I had to strip the TC race engine apart. After 10 years racing, with oil and filter changed each spring, the engine internals looked like new. No wear on the crankshaft, bearings needed to be replaced, ( after 10 years racing small wonder ) , camshaft was good , lifters were good. My road TC also has used Valvoline VR-1 20W-50 racing oil for the last four years. Fortunately have not had to strip down the engine yet. The only problem I see is the price quoted in the attachment, $11.99 US$ per quart borders on highway robbery. Cost should be less than half that. Bob Grunau I use VR1 in my car and according to this I don't see why I shouldn't: http://www.jegs.com/i/Valvoline%20Racing/949/VV235/10002/-1?CT=999 Valvoline " reduce(s) friction and enhance(s) power. It is among the most popular engine lubricants in racing, including CART, stock, and drag. It is recommended for engines burning gasoline and full or partial alcohol fuels for track and street service." Best regards, Gene Gillam Saucier, MS Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From anngene at bellsouth.net Wed Jun 17 17:43:27 2009 From: anngene at bellsouth.net (anngene at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:43:27 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] [Mgs] Is Valvoline VR1 OK for everyday use? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4449921002204A879BDBC25DA70AD59F@Home> Bob wrote: "I have used Valvoline VR-1 20W-50 racing oil in my race TC and road MGs. Last year I had to strip the TC race engine apart. After 10 years racing, with oil and filter changed each spring, the engine internals looked like new. No wear on the crankshaft, bearings needed to be replaced, ( after 10 years racing small wonder ) , camshaft was good , lifters were good. My road TC also has used Valvoline VR-1 20W-50 racing oil for the last four years. Fortunately have not had to strip down the engine yet. The only problem I see is the price quoted in the attachment, $11.99 US$ per quart borders on highway robbery. Cost should be less than half that." Thanks Bob, And that webpage url was attached, not for the cost, but for the verbiage. I buy VR1 at Autozone for a whole lot less ($3.89 a quart). Gene Gillam Saucier, MS From shop at justbrits.com Mon Jun 22 12:21:03 2009 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:21:03 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] FW: gs] Interesting TC on BAT Message-ID: It IS "Cecil", folks !!!! Be SURE to check the eBay Link (1st paragraph, I think)!! Ed Please visit MY site at: www.justbrits.com ****************************************************************** -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:30 PM To: mgs at autox.team.net Subject: [Mgs] Interesting TC on BAT http://bringatrailer.com/2009/06/19/seller-racing-it-since-1949-1948-mg-tc/ You are subscribed as shop at justbrits.com Mgs at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mgs http://www.team.net/archive