From simbafish at comcast.net Tue May 6 14:27:51 2008 From: simbafish at comcast.net (Stuart C. Keen, Jr.) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 16:27:51 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump Message-ID: Every summer I fight vapor lock problems in my TD. It has already started this year in Florida. Installing a metal "heat shield" between the exhaust manifold and the fuel bowls has only had minimal effect. In my search, I read that many TD owners install a low pressure Facet solid-state fuel pump by the tank to PUSH the fuel to the SU electric pumps. Does anyone have a part number for the correct Facet (or other manufacturer) pump? Requirements: My TD has NEGATIVE ground. SU fuel pumps 1.5-4 psi, approx 4 GPH. Thanks Stu Keen 1951 MGTD Mark II From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Tue May 6 14:35:35 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:35:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Mg-t] TD Gearbox for sale - San Francisco Message-ID: <2280247.1210106135736.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Listers, My old friend George Kelson in San Francisco called the other day to say that he has a good TD gearbox that he wants to sell for $450 ........ U pick up, please ............ Call him 415-661-3138 Best, Rick From ddubois at sinclair.net Tue May 6 16:19:02 2008 From: ddubois at sinclair.net (Dave and Liz DuBois) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:19:02 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4820D956.8030805@sinclair.net> Stuart - See my article Backup Fuel Pump at: http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/ for the part number of Both the Facet pump and the Carter pump. That said, I don't think that you will see much improvement with that pump in the back of the car. Granted, classical vapor lock is in the fuel line on the vacuum (inlet) side of the pump when the pump is in the engine compartment, but that is not where the problem usually exists in the T series cars. The problem usually develops in the passage from the bottom of the float bowl to the jet in the carburetor body (along the arm of the float bowl). When the engine is shut down after the car has been driven for a period of time in a hot ambient temperature, the temperature rises quite dramatically in the engine compartment because there is no air flow through there to carry the heat away. As you have noted, the heat shield doesn't help a great amount in this situation because there of the above situation and the fuel in that passage will expand as a minimum or vaporize in the worst case, causing pressure on the bottom of the float, keeping the needle valve shut off. This situation is exacerbated by today's formulation of fuel with ethanol and/or other highly volatile additives. One way to clear the problem (and the way I found out where the problem was) is to depress the tickler pin on the lid of the float bowl (if you still have on on yours), until the pressure finally pushes past the float. The other (more practical) way to clear the problem is to pull the choke out after starting the engine - just be ready to push it back in quickly as once the problem clears, the engine will race very quickly, going right up to read line (if one existed on our tachometers). With todays fuels, this problem continues to get worse, with no easy cures for it, unless one resorts to the method used in the 50s and early 60s of removing the side panels of the bonnet and strapping the top panels down during hot weather. Cheers - Dave From TATERRY at aol.com Tue May 6 19:38:17 2008 From: TATERRY at aol.com (TATERRY at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:38:17 EDT Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump Message-ID: In a message dated 5/6/2008 3:20:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, ddubois at sinclair.net writes: > This situation is exacerbated by today's > formulation of fuel with ethanol and/or other highly volatile > additives. Hi Dave, I see that Oregon has passed a law that exempts boats, airplanes and antique cars from using ethanol in their fuel. Our states should do like wise.....how such fuel will be distributed, I don't know but ethanol has been creating chaos in the boating industry, especially back east where it phase separates over the winter and in boats with fiberglas fuel tanks where is dissolves the polymers........The high pressure SU you did for the TF is working very well.......I thank you again. Terry in Oakland


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(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From rddell at mindspring.com Tue May 6 20:24:03 2008 From: rddell at mindspring.com (Dick Dell) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:24:03 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump References: Message-ID: <001401c8afe9$6b539660$660fa8c0@GATEWAY> We have just done an ethanol conversion on a 2007 Pontiac G-6 four cylinder and also on a 1992 Corvette (with a highly modified four cylinder Ecotec engine.) Ethanol is a very difficult fuel to work with, not recommended for any application that it was not designed for. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump > In a message dated 5/6/2008 3:20:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, > ddubois at sinclair.net writes: > > >> This situation is exacerbated by today's >> formulation of fuel with ethanol and/or other highly volatile >> additives. > > Hi Dave, I see that Oregon has passed a law that exempts boats, airplanes > and > antique cars from using ethanol in their fuel. Our states should do like > wise.....how such fuel will be distributed, I don't know but ethanol has > been > creating chaos in the boating industry, especially back east where it > phase > separates over the winter and in boats with fiberglas fuel tanks where is > dissolves > the polymers........The high pressure SU you did for the TF is working > very > well.......I thank you again. > Terry in Oakland


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> (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mrkshrmn at hotmail.com Tue May 6 20:55:12 2008 From: mrkshrmn at hotmail.com (Mark Sherman) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:55:12 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stu: I purchased mine from Moss Motors (p/n 377-420). I installed it under the tank of my '53 TD and plumbed it through the (working) SU fuel pump. I also installed the inertial cut-off switch (also from Moss) and wired both pump through it so an accident would cut power to both. These are available from many different vendors, often at lower prices than Moss. Check also http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/ for lower prices. The instructions state it is only for negative ground (but it was easy to isolate and install in my +ground TD). questions? Mark Sherman 1953 MGTD (supercharged) VSCCA #607 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:27:51 -0400> From: simbafish at comcast.net> To: mg-t at autox.team.net> Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump> > Every summer I fight vapor lock problems in my TD. It has already started> this year in Florida. Installing a metal "heat shield" between the exhaust> manifold and the fuel bowls has only had minimal effect. In my search, I> read that many TD owners install a low pressure Facet solid-state fuel pump> by the tank to PUSH the fuel to the SU electric pumps. Does anyone have a> part number for the correct Facet (or other manufacturer) pump?> > Requirements: My TD has NEGATIVE ground. SU fuel pumps 1.5-4 psi, approx 4> GPH.> > Thanks> > Stu Keen> 1951 MGTD Mark II> _______________________________________________> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Mg-t at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t> > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From crownwheel at surfglobal.net Wed May 7 06:53:08 2008 From: crownwheel at surfglobal.net (Gene Fodor) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:53:08 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump References: Message-ID: <005001c8b041$4d20fef0$0201a8c0@ownred1084ddbf> Listers ... A few years ago, I was speaking with an engineer who was experiencing similar problems. He vapor lock fix, was to install 3 wooden spring loaded cloths pins at the point where the fuel comes our of the pump, and at the location where the fuel enters each bowl which creates a heat sink. I have put the clothespins in the same place on Eliot ('53TD) and have not experienced any difficulties in starting. Of course, being in VT may help, but we do have 90+ OAT degree driving days. As the old oriental proverb goes: "works good, last long time" (and is cheep). Cheers Gene '53 TD Unrestored. South Hero, VT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." To: "MG" Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump > Every summer I fight vapor lock problems in my TD. It has already started > this year in Florida. Installing a metal "heat shield" between the exhaust > manifold and the fuel bowls has only had minimal effect. In my search, I > read that many TD owners install a low pressure Facet solid-state fuel > pump > by the tank to PUSH the fuel to the SU electric pumps. Does anyone have a > part number for the correct Facet (or other manufacturer) pump? > > Requirements: My TD has NEGATIVE ground. SU fuel pumps 1.5-4 psi, approx 4 > GPH. > > Thanks > > Stu Keen > 1951 MGTD Mark II > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net Wed May 7 07:17:46 2008 From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:17:46 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump In-Reply-To: <005001c8b041$4d20fef0$0201a8c0@ownred1084ddbf> References: <005001c8b041$4d20fef0$0201a8c0@ownred1084ddbf> Message-ID: <1AA16682-C762-4059-BF66-E1098432A2D8@sbcglobal.net> I haven't had the trouble on my TD but I don't drive it that much. On my A I got so disgusted with SU pumps after going through three brand new ones in one summer, I replaced it with the one from Autozone that was identical to the Facet and never again had a problem. I doubt it is vapor lock, just a bad pump. They get hot and quit working. The old one stays in place for looks because you can pump through it. Mike On May 7, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Gene Fodor wrote: > Listers ... > A few years ago, I was speaking with an engineer who was experiencing > similar problems. > He vapor lock fix, was to install 3 wooden spring loaded cloths > pins at the > point where the fuel comes our of the pump, and at the location > where the > fuel enters each bowl which creates a heat sink. > I have put the clothespins in the same place on Eliot ('53TD) and > have not > experienced any difficulties in starting. Of course, being in VT > may help, > but we do have 90+ OAT degree driving days. > As the old oriental proverb goes: "works good, last long time" (and is > cheep). > Cheers > Gene > '53 TD Unrestored. > South Hero, VT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." > To: "MG" > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:27 PM > Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump > > >> Every summer I fight vapor lock problems in my TD. It has already >> started >> this year in Florida. Installing a metal "heat shield" between the >> exhaust >> manifold and the fuel bowls has only had minimal effect. In my >> search, I >> read that many TD owners install a low pressure Facet solid-state >> fuel >> pump >> by the tank to PUSH the fuel to the SU electric pumps. Does anyone >> have a >> part number for the correct Facet (or other manufacturer) pump? >> >> Requirements: My TD has NEGATIVE ground. SU fuel pumps 1.5-4 psi, >> approx 4 >> GPH. >> >> Thanks >> >> Stu Keen >> 1951 MGTD Mark II >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-t at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mgcharlie at comcast.net Wed May 7 08:18:28 2008 From: mgcharlie at comcast.net (Charlie Baldwin) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 10:18:28 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] facet pump Message-ID: <4821BA34.6030705@comcast.net> There is a website called www.rockauto.com that shows the square body Facet type pump for $57.95(I think), but it is negative ground. It could be that Facet no longer makes it because it is marketed by Beck-Arnley. If you go to the site look under say a 1970 MGB for this pump and also other choices including an original SU. It states that it is 1 1/2 -3 1/2 psi. Rock Auto usually has very good prices. Charlie Mike Duvall wrote: I haven't had the trouble on my TD but I don't drive it that much. On my A I got so disgusted with SU pumps after going through three brand new ones in one summer, I replaced it with the one from Autozone that was identical to the Facet and never again had a problem. I doubt it is vapor lock, just a bad pump. They get hot and quit working. The old one stays in place for looks because you can pump through it. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart C. Keen, Jr." To: "MG" Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump Every summer I fight vapor lock problems in my TD. It has already started this year in Florida. Installing a metal "heat shield" between the exhaust manifold and the fuel bowls has only had minimal effect. In my search, I read that many TD owners install a low pressure Facet solid-state fuel pump by the tank to PUSH the fuel to the SU electric pumps. Does anyone have a part number for the correct Facet (or other manufacturer) pump? Requirements: My TD has NEGATIVE ground. SU fuel pumps 1.5-4 psi, approx 4 GPH. Thanks Stu Keen 1951 MGTD Mark II [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of mgcharlie.vcf] From spook01 at comcast.net Wed May 7 08:48:25 2008 From: spook01 at comcast.net (ray) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 09:48:25 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump Message-ID: <20080507144752.C94E9187647@autox.team.net> I thought ethanol was for governmental drinking...... And i was right. -----Original Message----- From: "Dick Dell" To: TATERRY at aol.com; ddubois at sinclair.net; simbafish at comcast.net Cc: mg-t at autox.team.net Sent: 5/6/2008 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump We have just done an ethanol conversion on a 2007 Pontiac G-6 four cylinder and also on a 1992 Corvette (with a highly modified four cylinder Ecotec engine.) Ethanol is a very difficult fuel to work with, not recommended for any application that it was not designed for. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump > In a message dated 5/6/2008 3:20:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, > ddubois at sinclair.net writes: > > >> This situation is exacerbated by today's >> formulation of fuel with ethanol and/or other highly volatile >> additives. > > Hi Dave, I see that Oregon has passed a law that exempts boats, airplanes > and > antique cars from using ethanol in their fuel. Our states should do like > wise.....how such fuel will be distributed, I don't know but ethanol has > been > creating chaos in the boating industry, especially back east where it > phase > separates over the winter and in boats with fiberglas fuel tanks where is > dissolves > the polymers........The high pressure SU you did for the TF is working > very > well.......I thank you again. > Terry in Oakland


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> (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net Wed May 7 09:00:29 2008 From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 10:00:29 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump In-Reply-To: <20080507144752.C94E9187647@autox.team.net> References: <20080507144752.C94E9187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8DAD3886-B463-46C6-8E25-5BFDE7ECE450@sbcglobal.net> Ray, Al Gore got ethanol confused with your Tennessee whiskey. On May 7, 2008, at 9:48 AM, ray wrote: > I thought ethanol was for governmental drinking...... > And i was right. > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dick Dell" > To: TATERRY at aol.com; ddubois at sinclair.net; simbafish at comcast.net > Cc: mg-t at autox.team.net > Sent: 5/6/2008 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump > > We have just done an ethanol conversion on a 2007 Pontiac G-6 four > cylinder > and also on a 1992 Corvette (with a highly modified four cylinder > Ecotec > engine.) > > Ethanol is a very difficult fuel to work with, not recommended for any > application that it was not designed for. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump > > >> In a message dated 5/6/2008 3:20:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> ddubois at sinclair.net writes: >> >> >>> This situation is exacerbated by today's >>> formulation of fuel with ethanol and/or other highly volatile >>> additives. >> >> Hi Dave, I see that Oregon has passed a law that exempts boats, >> airplanes >> and >> antique cars from using ethanol in their fuel. Our states should >> do like >> wise.....how such fuel will be distributed, I don't know but >> ethanol has >> been >> creating chaos in the boating industry, especially back east where it >> phase >> separates over the winter and in boats with fiberglas fuel tanks >> where is >> dissolves >> the polymers........The high pressure SU you did for the TF is >> working >> very >> well.......I thank you again. >> Terry in Oakland


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>> (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-t at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t >> >> Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From kingseim at earthlink.net Wed May 7 11:22:01 2008 From: kingseim at earthlink.net (John Seim) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 10:22:01 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] Solid State Fuel Pump In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b4b22b75144b9f91ad85d04f70f5390@earthlink.net> I recommend Airtex fuel pump, part no. E-8016S. Low pressure. Also sold under the Masters, Federal-Mogul, and other names. Cylindrical pump, comes with a mounting bracket. Remove a bolt for the right rear shock absorber, and instantly install. Has two wires, so positive or negative ground cars will have no problem. Sold under the Masters name at Autozone. Under $50.00. QUIET! Pull out the choke, which will enrichen the mixture. Won't solve vaporizing the fuel in the float bowls, but will keep it from vaporizing as it passes by the muffler. John Seim Irvine, CA On May 6, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Stuart C. Keen, Jr. wrote: > Every summer I fight vapor lock problems in my TD. It has already > started > this year in Florida. Installing a metal "heat shield" between the > exhaust > manifold and the fuel bowls has only had minimal effect. In my search, > I > read that many TD owners install a low pressure Facet solid-state fuel > pump > by the tank to PUSH the fuel to the SU electric pumps. Does anyone > have a > part number for the correct Facet (or other manufacturer) pump? > > Requirements: My TD has NEGATIVE ground. SU fuel pumps 1.5-4 psi, > approx 4 > GPH. > > Thanks > > Stu Keen > 1951 MGTD Mark II > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From RBHouston at aol.com Wed May 7 11:44:43 2008 From: RBHouston at aol.com (RBHouston at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:44:43 EDT Subject: [Mg-t] Z stuff in Oil Message-ID: OK...I read all the emails about the additives and lack of them. What was the final list of brands that will still have this in their formula? Robert Houston Anonymous said... "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From leylandauto at yahoo.com Wed May 7 13:06:32 2008 From: leylandauto at yahoo.com (Carl French) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-t] Z stuff in Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <169264.85269.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Beware of lists floating around on the 'net. Many of them are outdated. I am using Valvoline VR1 20-50 as it specifically mentions increased ZDDP. Joe Penn (?) is another. Castrol has just introduced a 20-50 with increased ZDDP for classic cars but unfortunately, it is in their Syntec line only (make more $$). RBHouston at aol.com wrote: OK...I read all the emails about the additives and lack of them. What was the final list of brands that will still have this in their formula? Robert Houston Anonymous said... "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From spook01 at comcast.net Wed May 7 14:39:47 2008 From: spook01 at comcast.net (ray) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 15:39:47 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] Z stuff in Oil Message-ID: <20080507203916.B7BAE187650@autox.team.net> Guys Do your research. You will find that zddp levels with the new formulations and new long strand molecule products are good enough to protect your engines. Use a name brand oil - or a diesel multi vis if you must - and drive it like you stole it. Btw, too much zddp destroys your engine! -----Original Message----- From: "Carl French" To: RBHouston at aol.com; MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com; mg-t at autox.team.net Sent: 5/7/2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] Z stuff in Oil Beware of lists floating around on the 'net. Many of them are outdated. I am using Valvoline VR1 20-50 as it specifically mentions increased ZDDP. Joe Penn (?) is another. Castrol has just introduced a 20-50 with increased ZDDP for classic cars but unfortunately, it is in their Syntec line only (make more $$). RBHouston at aol.com wrote: OK...I read all the emails about the additives and lack of them. What was the final list of brands that will still have this in their formula? Robert Houston Anonymous said... "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From mmmgtcars at yahoo.com Wed May 7 15:44:05 2008 From: mmmgtcars at yahoo.com (Mick Conde) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-t] Z stuff in Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <409373.85351.qm@web56115.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Robert - There is a new oil from Penn Grade ( formerly Kendall here in Penna. ) that has blended a formula for flat tappets called 'The Green Oil' , with ZDDP. Check it out, it might be in your local stores or speed shop, about $5.75 qt. I have been using it on all rebuilds for the last year with no problems. rgds..............Mick Pittsburgh PA --- On Wed, 5/7/08, RBHouston at aol.com wrote: From: RBHouston at aol.com Subject: [Mg-t] Z stuff in Oil To: MG-MGB at yahoogroups.com, mg-t at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 1:44 PM OK...I read all the emails about the additives and lack of them. What was the final list of brands that will still have this in their formula? Robert Houston Anonymous said... "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of 000 keystone business card.jpg] From duvallcom at sbcglobal.net Wed May 7 20:37:14 2008 From: duvallcom at sbcglobal.net (Mike Duvall) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 21:37:14 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] valve springs Message-ID: Anybody know the difference in the TC/TD valve springs and the late TD/TF valve springs sold by Moss? Is one the triple set and the other the double set? Are the top holders and bottom cups the same? Mike From kingseim at earthlink.net Wed May 7 23:49:39 2008 From: kingseim at earthlink.net (John Seim) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 22:49:39 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] [British-cars] valve springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02ee4b9cd186db122bfdcf75dda092a3@earthlink.net> The TC-TD valve springs have 120lb pull pressure. The late TD-TF springs have 150lb pull pressure. The factory got it wrong. They saw shiny areas between the springs, and concluded that the springs were subject to valve crash. In fact, they were going into oscillation. Both are double sets, using same top holders and bottom cups. I recommend the TC-TD springs. Only 90 lb pressure is required on a stock 4 cylinder engine to pull the valves closed, with stock compression ratios. 120 lb is not too much more than 90 lbs, 150 lb puts a lot of pressure on the cam lobes and lifters. You are only as stong as your weakest link. John Seim Irvine, CA On May 7, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Mike Duvall wrote: > Anybody know the difference in the TC/TD valve springs and the late > TD/TF valve springs sold by Moss? Is one the triple set and the > other the double set? Are the top holders and bottom cups the same? > > Mike > _______________________________________________ From waltonps at yahoo.com Sat May 10 09:51:38 2008 From: waltonps at yahoo.com (Walton Smith) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 08:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-t] PLC-6 Ignition Switch Message-ID: <928051.53372.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'm always puzzled by the small subtleties in OEM parts and the original vendor aftermarket replacement parts. The Lucas PLC-6 ignition switch appears to have two variants; an open window type, and a screened or decal face plate type. To confuse matters even more; both switches present options in the angle of the light toggle, being either flat, or at an elevated rise. Which is the correct switch and toggle for a TD? John S. thank you again for the knowledgeable answer on the 1130 query Best to All; Walt 1951 TD Brentwood, California Walton Smith --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From lkarpman at tx.rr.com Sat May 10 10:13:46 2008 From: lkarpman at tx.rr.com (Lawrence Karpman) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 11:13:46 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] PLC-6 Ignition Switch In-Reply-To: <928051.53372.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <928051.53372.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2151DAA4D4224DA582D07FC350C8A666@LarryPC> The correct PLC-6 switch for the TD is the non-window, black face, flat light toggle. Cheers Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walton Smith" To: Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: [Mg-t] PLC-6 Ignition Switch > I'm always puzzled by the small subtleties in OEM parts and the original > vendor aftermarket replacement parts. The Lucas PLC-6 ignition switch > appears to have two variants; an open window type, and a screened or decal > face plate type. To confuse matters even more; both switches present > options in the angle of the light toggle, being either flat, or at an > elevated rise. > Which is the correct switch and toggle for a TD? > > John S. thank you again for the knowledgeable answer on the 1130 query > > Best to All; > Walt > 1951 TD > Brentwood, California > > > > Walton Smith > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk Sun May 11 23:23:24 2008 From: emmgeeteecee at yahoo.co.uk (David Lodge) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 06:23:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Mg-t] [mg-t] British Bash In-Reply-To: <008e01c8a106$3f916cb0$0201a8c0@home9cmfx9peca> Message-ID: <463650.14910.qm@web27408.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Where is it ? --- Craig wrote: > British Bash > > > The 24th annual British Bash is coming June 6 & 7th! > > This plus the sunny weather, top down weather, > driving weather is a big > reason to get your car out and running... to sign up > for Pre-Registration > which ends in just 17 days! > > Pre-Registration BONUS ends soon! > > Don't miss your chance to save up to 30% on your > registration by entering > now! > If you pre register you also receive a Dash Plaque, > this is the ONLY way to > get one! > No waiting in a registration line, drive in and > enjoy the show, VIP service! > Register NOW online at www.BritishBash.com > > > Featured Marque > This years Featured Marque is Healey, featuring > Austin Healey's, Jensen > Healey's, Nash Healey and the Original Healey brand > that started it all. > > Show within a Show: > As a huge success the Bash last year featured it's > first Show within a Show, > with the gathering of the North American Spitfire > Squadron. Due to the > overwhelming success, this year the Jaguar Drivers > Club Area 51 2008 Jaguar > Concours will be held at this years Bash. So as an > added bonus you get a > show within a show! > > Don't sit on the side lines and let another year > pass you by! Come support > the British Bash, remember this benefits St. > Joseph's Children's home and > last year we raised over $4,000 for St. Joe's and > the Children! Help us top > it this year! > > For more info visit the website at > www.BritishBash.com or contact Craig > Holmes at: cbhlouky at bellsouth.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > . > . > . > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From battanhr at comcast.net Mon May 12 10:49:21 2008 From: battanhr at comcast.net (Howard Battan) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:49:21 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? In-Reply-To: <409373.85351.qm@web56115.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <409373.85351.qm@web56115.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5885A49C42E444B98871A603DE0BACDB@xps410> The owner's handbook for my '54 MGTF specifies 18 psig tire pressure. I now have 165R15 radial tires on the car on Dayton wire wheels. What is the recommended inflation pressure for this setup? SHould I stay at the 18 psig level, or increase the pressures? BTW, this is for casual driving, not racing use. Thanks Howard Battan From TATERRY at aol.com Mon May 12 11:07:03 2008 From: TATERRY at aol.com (TATERRY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:07:03 EDT Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/12/2008 10:04:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, battanhr at comcast.net writes: > SHould I stay at the 18 psig > level, or increase the pressures? Howard, I keep my radials on the TF at 28 psi for what it is worth. I think 18psi is way too low. Terry in Oakland


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(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) From mgbob at juno.com Mon May 12 11:30:22 2008 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:30:22 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? Message-ID: <20080512.133043.4028.21.MGBOB@juno.com> The TD book also says 18 psi. Most drivers fear that the rims will scrape pavement at pressures that low. Lawrie Alexander suggested 24F 27R for radials on TDs. That seemed good to me; I've used those pressures for a couple of years. In our club some have tried 30 all round. They like the feel of it on smooth roads, but say that the 30 psi pressure makes the car a bit skittish for ordinary driving on patched pavement. Bob On Mon, 12 May 2008 09:49:21 -0700 "Howard Battan" writes: > The owner's handbook for my '54 MGTF specifies 18 psig tire pressure. > I now have 165R15 radial tires on the car on Dayton wire wheels. What is > the recommended inflation pressure for this setup? SHould I stay at the > 18 psig level, or increase the pressures? BTW, this is for casual driving, > not racing use. > > Thanks > > Howard Battan From felperg at earthlink.net Mon May 12 11:36:00 2008 From: felperg at earthlink.net (Gerald Felper) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:36:00 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? In-Reply-To: <5885A49C42E444B98871A603DE0BACDB@xps410> References: <409373.85351.qm@web56115.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <5885A49C42E444B98871A603DE0BACDB@xps410> Message-ID: <3D10C1A8-BC5A-4224-8D74-E5B48AE7236D@earthlink.net> Howard I use 27LB with 165R15, but 32lb is better for handling. Jerry On May 12, 2008, at 9:49 AM, Howard Battan wrote: > The owner's handbook for my '54 MGTF specifies 18 psig tire > pressure. I now > have 165R15 radial tires on the car on Dayton wire wheels. What is the > recommended inflation pressure for this setup? SHould I stay at the > 18 psig > level, or increase the pressures? BTW, this is for casual driving, not > racing use. > > Thanks > > Howard Battan > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive Gerald Felper Felper Engineering felperg at earthlink.net From redscirocco at hotmail.com Mon May 12 11:46:03 2008 From: redscirocco at hotmail.com (Mike Eldred) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:46:03 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? In-Reply-To: <5885A49C42E444B98871A603DE0BACDB@xps410> References: <409373.85351.qm@web56115.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <5885A49C42E444B98871A603DE0BACDB@xps410> Message-ID: Howard, I keep the tires on my '54 TF at 26 to 28 psi, on the original steel rims/tubes/tires (well, the tires and tubes aren't original, but you know what I mean). Handles better and offers a better ride, as far as I'm concerned. I can't imagine why Abingdon recommended 18 psi, unless it had something to do with Britain's road conditions or tire quality in the 1950's. Cheers, -Mike Eldred Wilmington, VT '54 TF 1250 '51 Willys M38 > From: battanhr at comcast.net> To: mg-t at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:49:21 -0700> Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure?> > The owner's handbook for my '54 MGTF specifies 18 psig tire pressure. I now > have 165R15 radial tires on the car on Dayton wire wheels. What is the > recommended inflation pressure for this setup? SHould I stay at the 18 psig > level, or increase the pressures? BTW, this is for casual driving, not > racing use.> > Thanks> > Howard Battan> _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_s kydrive_052008 From lawrie at britcars.com Mon May 12 11:59:06 2008 From: lawrie at britcars.com (Lawrie@Britcars) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:59:06 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? References: <409373.85351.qm@web56115.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <5885A49C42E444B98871A603DE0BACDB@xps410> Message-ID: <001b01c8b45a$6245d860$6600a8c0@alex> Howard, Since radial tires have more flexible sidewalls than bias ply tires, more pressure is necessary to make the most of their characteristics. In the course of my many years in the business, I have found that 24 front, 26 rear works very well on TDs and TFs with radial tires. Lawrie Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Battan" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? > The owner's handbook for my '54 MGTF specifies 18 psig tire pressure. I > now > have 165R15 radial tires on the car on Dayton wire wheels. What is the > recommended inflation pressure for this setup? SHould I stay at the 18 > psig > level, or increase the pressures? BTW, this is for casual driving, not > racing use. > > Thanks > > Howard Battan From crownwheel at surfglobal.net Mon May 12 12:07:34 2008 From: crownwheel at surfglobal.net (Gene Fodor) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:07:34 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02c601c8b45b$0ee1ecd0$2ca5c670$@net> In my TD I keep 28 in the back and 26 in the. I got those numbers from somewhere, years ago. Remember that the T rims were not made for tubeless as they don't have that extra ridge on the rim... If you don't have tubes, you are courting disaster. My tubes came from Coker Tire and installed by a shop who knew what tubes were. In addition, I added the rubber band that protects the inner part of the tube from chaffing on the wheel itself. Cheers Gene Eliot, '53 TD unrestored Vermont -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces+crownwheel=surfglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces+crownwheel=surfglobal.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TATERRY at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:07 PM To: battanhr at comcast.net; mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? In a message dated 5/12/2008 10:04:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, battanhr at comcast.net writes: > SHould I stay at the 18 psig > level, or increase the pressures? Howard, I keep my radials on the TF at 28 psi for what it is worth. I think 18psi is way too low. Terry in Oakland


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(http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From shop at justbrits.com Mon May 12 15:59:03 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:59:03 -0600 Subject: [Mg-t] [mg-t] British Bash References: <463650.14910.qm@web27408.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005d01c8b47b$7f35f9c0$6701a8c0@shop> <> Try clicking on the LINK, Dave!! Doh!! From shop at justbrits.com Mon May 12 16:02:20 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:02:20 -0600 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? References: <409373.85351.qm@web56115.mail.re3.yahoo.com><5885A49C42E444B98871A603DE0BACDB@xps410> Message-ID: <007501c8b47b$fe5612d0$6701a8c0@shop> <> Can you say BIAS ply tires, Mike?? Different ballgame. And Lawrie has correct pressures, IMHO. From battanhr at comcast.net Mon May 12 19:13:48 2008 From: battanhr at comcast.net (Howard Battan) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:13:48 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? In-Reply-To: <007501c8b47b$fe5612d0$6701a8c0@shop> References: <409373.85351.qm@web56115.mail.re3.yahoo.com><5885A49C42E444B98871A603DE0BACDB@xps410> <007501c8b47b$fe5612d0$6701a8c0@shop> Message-ID: <8651B450EC2946F683E4AA61F4222880@xps410> Thanks, everyone, for your tire pressure recommendations. I think I have been running mine at 26 front & rear. I assumed the reason for the specified 18 psi was due to the bias tires, and maybe the patchy old British roads. I'll give Lawrie's 24F/26R a try. And Gene, the rims on the car now are modern chrome rims made for tubeless tires, so I should be safe running without tubes, but thanks for the heads-up. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed's Shop" To: Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? > < to do > with Britain's road conditions or tire quality in the 1950's. >>> > > Can you say BIAS ply tires, Mike?? > > Different ballgame. > > And Lawrie has correct pressures, IMHO. > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From spook01 at comcast.net Mon May 12 20:15:01 2008 From: spook01 at comcast.net (ray) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:15:01 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF radial tire pressure? Message-ID: <20080513021420.C512D187648@autox.team.net> As we discovered from the post from the tire engineer at a major tire maker, pressures recommended by auto makers have to do with ride/handling considerations and less to do with tire design parameters per se. Sometimes, the tire maker actually complains to the auto maker such as happened fairly with a maker who wanted to make the largest suv and wanted to use auto tires to support it. Blowouts on one side of the deisel version was traced to the fact that as equipped, the one front tire was way over its load carrying capacity, even exceeding its built in design safety 'fudge factor' by nearly 20 percent! The manufacturer of the vehicle was persuaded at some trouble to accept a light truck tire in order to end the problem. But wait, theres more! From clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com Sun May 18 06:36:35 2008 From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com (Clive Sherriff) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 13:36:35 +0100 Subject: [Mg-t] Ebay XPAG Engines References: <200804240835.m3O8ZPWb012703@smtp.upv.es> Message-ID: <001801c8b8e3$d0996560$59800356@cypress> I've put a couple surplus refurbished XPAG engines on ebay, both running on the test bed just now. One to TB / TC, the other to TD / TF spec (ie. 120 tooth flywheel - integral oil filter) Listed at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320253118805&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=011 and http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320253123503&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=011 Contact me off list and via Ebay for further details if interested. Clive Sherriff From krislynco.llc at roadrunner.com Sun May 18 10:53:23 2008 From: krislynco.llc at roadrunner.com (Krislyn Co.LLC) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 12:53:23 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] stayfast canvas Message-ID: <000801c8b907$af9e0ea0$6501a8c0@ME> hello looking for a couple of pieces of tan stayfast canvas (will pay for them of course) perhaps window cutouts or alike .... my brand new 57 mga's tonnaeu has suffered a msihap....dont ask i'm too distraught.... any help as always is always appreciated... the rock From krislynco.llc at roadrunner.com Mon May 19 04:33:41 2008 From: krislynco.llc at roadrunner.com (Krislyn Co.LLC) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 06:33:41 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] stayfast canvas Message-ID: <001501c8b99b$cec510f0$6501a8c0@ME> thanks to everyone willing to help with the canvas..... lew palmer was kind enough to offer some pieces left from a tonneau project he had worked on.. regards as always rocky From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Tue May 20 09:18:08 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:18:08 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Mg-t] STOLEN MORRIS MINOR CONVERT!! San Francisco Message-ID: <24633308.1211296689047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> CALLING ALL CARS ... CALLING ALL CARS ... Gang, Adrian, up in San Francisco has had his Minor ragtop stolen. It is a 1957 convertible with a Paul Asgeirsson Datsun running gear conversion and disc brakes. The color of the body is Old English White; the vinyl top and wheels are maroon. The interior is brown. The license plate number is: 4EQW577 - The vehicle identification number is: 85714 A noteworthy detail: a Morris Minor decal disk is affixed to the top of the gear shift with a steel belt or ring that is impossible to remove. This is a unique, instantly and recognizable feature. Another noteworthy feature: the driver's seat does not slide forward or back. The front is bolted to the floor. It does tip forward to allow entry to the rear seat. But there is no other way it moves. There is no carpet on the floor. A blue sticker- a San Francisco Parking permit is affixed to the left side of the rear bumper. There is no radio or stereo. The people who worked on it include: George Kelsen, Gerard Chateauvieux, Paul Asgiersson and the Sunset Garage. It has new radial steel belt tires and a spare. There is a lock on the gas tank. There is a dent in the left rear fender. Contact: Adrian Brooks 415-252-5959 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Best, Rick Feibusch From battanhr at comcast.net Sat May 24 13:04:50 2008 From: battanhr at comcast.net (Howard Battan) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:04:50 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing In-Reply-To: <001b01c8b45a$6245d860$6600a8c0@alex> References: <409373.85351.qm@web56115.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <5885A49C42E444B98871A603DE0BACDB@xps410> <001b01c8b45a$6245d860$6600a8c0@alex> Message-ID: I would like to check the timing on my 54 MGTF 1250. The only reference I can find is for using static TDC timing. I'd like to be able to use a timing light. Is this feasable for this engine? Thanks Howard Battan From budkrueger at comcast.net Sat May 24 13:24:57 2008 From: budkrueger at comcast.net (Bud Krueger) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 15:24:57 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing In-Reply-To: References: <409373.85351.qm@web56115.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <5885A49C42E444B98871A603DE0BACDB@xps410> <001b01c8b45a$6245d860$6600a8c0@alex> Message-ID: <48386B89.60707@comcast.net> Howard Battan wrote: > I would like to check the timing on my 54 MGTF 1250. The only reference I > can find is for using static TDC timing. I'd like to be able to use a timing > light. Is this feasable for this engine? > > Thanks > > Howard Battan > _______________________________________________ > > > Sure thing, Howard. See http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/Advance_curves.html for an idea of what to expect for timing as a function of engine speed. At idle you'll probably see about 5-6 degrees of advance. IMHO, static timing with a test lamp is the best way to go. Bud Krueger From battanhr at comcast.net Sat May 24 13:30:49 2008 From: battanhr at comcast.net (Howard Battan) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 12:30:49 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing In-Reply-To: <48386B89.60707@comcast.net> References: <409373.85351.qm@web56115.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <5885A49C42E444B98871A603DE0BACDB@xps410> <001b01c8b45a$6245d860$6600a8c0@alex> <48386B89.60707@comcast.net> Message-ID: <227F6C00D5024531A7635D750A7FF421@xps410> Thanks, Bud. After looking at the location involved, I think the static method WILL be best. I just looked at John Twist's video, and it looks like that's the best method for the T-series engines. I'm just used to using the timing light on the MGA and the MGB. Howard Battan ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing > Howard Battan wrote: >> I would like to check the timing on my 54 MGTF 1250. The only reference I >> can find is for using static TDC timing. I'd like to be able to use a >> timing light. Is this feasable for this engine? >> >> Thanks >> >> Howard Battan _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > Sure thing, Howard. See http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/Advance_curves.html > for an idea of what to expect for timing as a function of engine speed. > At idle you'll probably see about 5-6 degrees of advance. IMHO, static > timing with a test lamp is the best way to go. > > Bud Krueger From shop at justbrits.com Sat May 24 19:42:50 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 19:42:50 -0600 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing Message-ID: <001e01c8be08$a4e620a0$6801a8c0@shop> <> IMHO, Bud is 1000% correct Howard! Ed From ddubois at sinclair.net Sat May 24 20:28:54 2008 From: ddubois at sinclair.net (Dave and Liz DuBois) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 19:28:54 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing In-Reply-To: <001e01c8be08$a4e620a0$6801a8c0@shop> References: <001e01c8be08$a4e620a0$6801a8c0@shop> Message-ID: <4838CEE6.300@sinclair.net> Since the XPAG/XPEG engines only have a single timing point, one either adjusts them statically or uses a dial back timing light to set the timing. Since i have a dial back timing light, I use that to set the timing at about 50 - 60 BTDC at idle and a total of 350 BTDC at around 2800 rpm - 3000 rpm. Cheers, Dave From budkrueger at comcast.net Sun May 25 07:03:15 2008 From: budkrueger at comcast.net (Bud Krueger) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 09:03:15 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing In-Reply-To: <4838CEE6.300@sinclair.net> References: <001e01c8be08$a4e620a0$6801a8c0@shop> <4838CEE6.300@sinclair.net> Message-ID: <48396393.40301@comcast.net> Dave and Liz DuBois wrote: > Since the XPAG/XPEG engines only have a single timing point, one either > adjusts them statically or uses a dial back timing light to set the > timing. Since i have a dial back timing light, I use that to set the > timing at about 50 - 60 BTDC at idle and a total of 350 BTDC at around > 2800 rpm - 3000 rpm. > > Cheers, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > > Uh Dave, I think you may have left out some decimal points. Perhaps 5 - 6 0 at idle and 350 at 3000? Bud From spook01 at comcast.net Sun May 25 10:40:53 2008 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 11:40:53 -0500 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing References: <001e01c8be08$a4e620a0$6801a8c0@shop> <4838CEE6.300@sinclair.net> Message-ID: <007d01c8be86$19f08f70$28668945@yourpd3mh0abgs> I think he means 5-6 btdc crank degrees at idle and 35 total advance, crank degrees, at 3000 rpm. Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave and Liz DuBois" To: "Ed's Shop" Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing > Since the XPAG/XPEG engines only have a single timing point, one either > adjusts them statically or uses a dial back timing light to set the > timing. Since i have a dial back timing light, I use that to set the > timing at about 50 - 60 BTDC at idle and a total of 350 BTDC at around > 2800 rpm - 3000 rpm. > > Cheers, > Dave > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From johnsfolly at gmail.com Sun May 25 11:44:10 2008 From: johnsfolly at gmail.com (JohnD) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 13:44:10 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing In-Reply-To: <227F6C00D5024531A7635D750A7FF421@xps410> References: <409373.85351.qm@web56115.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <5885A49C42E444B98871A603DE0BACDB@xps410> <001b01c8b45a$6245d860$6600a8c0@alex> <48386B89.60707@comcast.net> <227F6C00D5024531A7635D750A7FF421@xps410> Message-ID: I start with static timing and then check things with one of those "advanceable" timing lights. I figure the advance springs in the dizzy are pretty tired after so many years of "springing" here and there. I run the RPM up to what I figure should be full advance or maybe up to 4500 rpm and look to have about 32 degrees of full advance. (or maybe it was 35). But I do not get any detonation and typically run midgrade fuel. John Deikis *Racing in the Past Lane* On 5/24/08, Howard Battan wrote: > > Thanks, Bud. After looking at the location involved, I think the static > method WILL be best. I just looked at John Twist's video, and it looks like > that's the best method for the T-series engines. I'm just used to using the > timing light on the MGA and the MGB. > > Howard Battan > > ----- Original Message ----- > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing > > > > Howard Battan wrote: > >> I would like to check the timing on my 54 MGTF 1250. The only reference > I > >> can find is for using static TDC timing. I'd like to be able to use a > >> timing light. Is this feasable for this engine? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Howard Battan _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> > > Sure thing, Howard. See http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/Advance_curves.html > > for an idea of what to expect for timing as a function of engine speed. > > At idle you'll probably see about 5-6 degrees of advance. IMHO, static > > timing with a test lamp is the best way to go. > > > > Bud Krueger > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-t at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t > > Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > -- Racing in the Past Lane! From ddubois at sinclair.net Sun May 25 12:33:22 2008 From: ddubois at sinclair.net (Dave and Liz DuBois) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 11:33:22 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing In-Reply-To: <48396393.40301@comcast.net> References: <001e01c8be08$a4e620a0$6801a8c0@shop> <4838CEE6.300@sinclair.net> <48396393.40301@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4839B0F2.5010808@sinclair.net> Bud, I just went back to see what I wrote in my sent file and here is what I see: > Since the XPAG/XPEG engines only have a single timing point, one > either adjusts them statically or uses a dial back timing light to set > the timing. Since i have a dial back timing light, I use that to set > the timing at about 50 - 60 BTDC at idle and a total of 350 BTDC at > around 2800 rpm - 3000 rpm. > > Cheers, > Dave I'm not sure how those extra 0s got in there (perhaps my e-mail program is multiplying everything by 10). Anyway, you are right it should be 5 -6 degrees and 35 degrees. Looking at the quote in your e-mail and what I wrote, it may be that the degree symbol that I used may have gotten converted somehow to 0s. I wonder now, how many other e-mails that I have written, using the degree symbol have wound up as 0s. Cheers, Dave From budkrueger at comcast.net Sun May 25 13:17:13 2008 From: budkrueger at comcast.net (Bud Krueger) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 15:17:13 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing In-Reply-To: <4839B0F2.5010808@sinclair.net> References: <001e01c8be08$a4e620a0$6801a8c0@shop> <4838CEE6.300@sinclair.net> <48396393.40301@comcast.net> <4839B0F2.5010808@sinclair.net> Message-ID: <4839BB39.7040202@comcast.net> Dave and Liz DuBois wrote: > Bud, > > I just went back to see what I wrote in my sent file and here is what > I see: > >> Since the XPAG/XPEG engines only have a single timing point, one >> either adjusts them statically or uses a dial back timing light to >> set the timing. Since i have a dial back timing light, I use that to >> set the timing at about 50 - 60 BTDC at idle and a total of 350 BTDC >> at around 2800 rpm - 3000 rpm. >> >> Cheers, >> Dave > I'm not sure how those extra 0s got in there (perhaps my e-mail > program is multiplying everything by 10). Anyway, you are right it > should be 5 -6 degrees and 35 degrees. Looking at the quote in your > e-mail and what I wrote, it may be that the degree symbol that I used > may have gotten converted somehow to 0s. I wonder now, how many other > e-mails that I have written, using the degree symbol have wound up as 0s. > > Cheers, > Dave > > Hi Dave, I find that Alt 248 'usually' gives the degree symbol. Oh, but the exceptions can be a pain. Bud From kingseim at earthlink.net Sun May 25 14:00:35 2008 From: kingseim at earthlink.net (John Seim) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 13:00:35 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing In-Reply-To: <007d01c8be86$19f08f70$28668945@yourpd3mh0abgs> References: <001e01c8be08$a4e620a0$6801a8c0@shop> <4838CEE6.300@sinclair.net> <007d01c8be86$19f08f70$28668945@yourpd3mh0abgs> Message-ID: <25f8fc891f0451e207bd8a7ba9a7824a@earthlink.net> He is partially correct. The TF 1500 came with a distributor with a 12.5 degree advance plate, giving a maximum of 25 degrees advance at the crankshaft. With the larger displacement engine, they were afraid that the extra advance from an earlier distributor would blow head gaskets, or cause detonation. The TC-TD distributor came with a 15 degree advance plate, giving 30 degrees of advance, measured at the crankshaft. The static timing or timing light system works, depends on which you are comfortable with. If you set a TF to 35 degrees at 3000 rpm, you are running at 10 degrees more advance than static timing would produce. The factory had an optional 17 degree advance plate available for distributors. The notice was sent out during TD production. It will fit all distributors, but not recommended for a TF 1500 engine. The MGA 1500 had a 12 degree advance plate. John Seim Irvine, CA On May 25, 2008, at 9:40 AM, spook01 wrote: > I think he means 5-6 btdc crank degrees at idle and 35 total advance, > crank > degrees, at 3000 rpm. > Best, > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave and Liz DuBois" > To: "Ed's Shop" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing > > >> Since the XPAG/XPEG engines only have a single timing point, one >> either >> adjusts them statically or uses a dial back timing light to set the >> timing. Since i have a dial back timing light, I use that to set the >> timing at about 50 - 60 BTDC at idle and a total of 350 BTDC at >> around >> 2800 rpm - 3000 rpm. >> >> Cheers, >> Dave From Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz Sun May 25 14:27:08 2008 From: Douglas.Ormrod at neurological.org.nz (Douglas Ormrod) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 08:27:08 +1200 Subject: [Mg-t] Tune your SUs without leaving your desk Message-ID: While we are on the topic of tuning I came across this programme called WinSU http://www.winsu.co.uk/ XPAG and all other MG engines are supported I have not tried it - but could be a fun way to pass the winter evenings? Douglas From shop at justbrits.com Sun May 25 19:34:33 2008 From: shop at justbrits.com (Ed's Shop) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 19:34:33 -0600 Subject: [Mg-t] Spridget 50th in UK!!! Message-ID: <00e501c8bed0$a6effd80$6801a8c0@shop> Even tho NOT BIG MGs I think you folks will be AMAZED!!!!! You folks will NOT believe this UK bunch of pics!!!!! UN-REAL!!!! *********************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy Weller To: midgetsprite at yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 5:22 PM Subject: [midgetsprite] Spridget 50, UK A truely amazing event! I haven't uploaded my photos yet, but here are a couple of links to other's photos, just to give a taster of the day! http://mobiasstrip.com/Spridget50/index.html http://www.flickr.com/photos/25485888 at N08/sets/72157605254647435/ Guy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1465 - Release Date: 25/05/2008 13:22 __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (16) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 1New Members Visit Your Group Y! Sports for TV Access it for free Get Fantasy Sports stats on your TV. Yahoo! News Get it all here Breaking news to entertainment news Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. . __,_._,___ From battanhr at comcast.net Mon May 26 15:30:31 2008 From: battanhr at comcast.net (Howard Battan) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:30:31 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] 54 TF engine timing In-Reply-To: <25f8fc891f0451e207bd8a7ba9a7824a@earthlink.net> References: <001e01c8be08$a4e620a0$6801a8c0@shop> <4838CEE6.300@sinclair.net><007d01c8be86$19f08f70$28668945@yourpd3mh0abgs> <25f8fc891f0451e207bd8a7ba9a7824a@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <272FFB1377C74819BC1056C92B0A715B@xps410> Thanks to everyone for the input on the timing of my TF 1250. I'll give it a try this week sometime. Howard Battan From kingseim at earthlink.net Tue May 27 10:01:24 2008 From: kingseim at earthlink.net (John Seim) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 09:01:24 -0700 Subject: [Mg-t] MG TF Dashboard Trim Rail Bolts Message-ID: Anyone have a source of the retaining bolts for the MG TF Dash Board Trim Rail? They were 1/4" BSF. The head was flat, with two prongs to grab into the wooden rail. John Seim Irvine, CA From 1933mgj2 at sbcglobal.net Tue May 27 16:06:55 2008 From: 1933mgj2 at sbcglobal.net (William Putnam) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-t] MG TD failed water pump shaft In-Reply-To: <272FFB1377C74819BC1056C92B0A715B@xps410> Message-ID: <494491.28579.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings fellow MG T owners, Yesterday I had the unfortunate experience of the water pump shaft breaking in my TD. This resulted in the fan blades striking the radiator, wrecking both in the process. I had installed a water pump that Phil Marino modified with a tapered interface between the pulley and the shaft. The taper idea is a good one, I think, but it appeared that this was due to a crack which started at the base of the keyway, and then progressed until the remaining shaft could no longer support the load. Phil has offered to replace the shaft at no charge, and said this was the first of his shafts that he had heard about failing. The pump had 3,007 miles on it when it failed. Has anyone had a Phil Marino water pump shaft fail? Has anyone been running a water pump with Phil Marino's shaft? Has anyone had a failure and not told Phil about it? I'm trying to determine if my experience is a fluke or if there is a design or materials issue. I think Phil is a great guy, does excellent machine work, and I know there are a fair number of T series cars running his shafts, but before I put the same type of shaft back in the car I'd like to have a little more peace of mind that my experience is unique. I am careful to not overtension the fan belt, and fairly regularly run 4,400-4,700 rpm on the highway (yes it's a bit much but I want to keep up with traffic, the engine has a Phoenix crank and rods, forged pistons, and Brown & Gammons valve springs), and will run up to about 6,000 rpm while racing. So the engine probably sees higher revs than most street T series, but certainly not as high as some of the MG T race cars. Please let me know if you have run Phil's tapered water pump shaft, how many miles you have on the water pump, and if you've had any failures. Thank you, Bill Putnam From 1933mgj2 at sbcglobal.net Wed May 28 19:53:14 2008 From: 1933mgj2 at sbcglobal.net (William Putnam) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-t] MG TD failed water pump shaft In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <571555.65562.qm@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to everyone who responded to my query. I have yet to hear of any other Phil Marino water pump shafts failing. I've asked Phil to make a new shaft with no keyway-the taper should be sufficient to transmit the torque required to drive the impeller. I also plan to run a 7 blade plastic MGB fan in place of the original. With these two changes, I hope to reduce the potential for future failures substantially. Again, thanks to all who responded. Bill Putnam From mgbob at juno.com Fri May 30 08:05:58 2008 From: mgbob at juno.com (Bob Howard) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:05:58 -0400 Subject: [Mg-t] CT MG Club, Sunday 1 June Message-ID: <20080530.100558.3676.0.MGBOB@juno.com> British By The Sea XXI, CT MG Club's annual show, will be at Harkness Memorial Park, Waterford, CT, this Sunday. It's a great place for a show, in a large field that overlooks Fishers Island Sound and Long Island Sound. Easy to reach, near New London CT, just look up Harkness Memorial Park on Google or Mapquest for driving directions. Registration begins at 10, but come earlier and enjoy the park. Free entrance to the park for exhibitors, $15 at show entrance. 33 classes, food vendor and LBC vendors. A good time will be had by all. Bob Howard ____________________________________________________________ Save on hotels. Click here to find and compare hotel deals. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nLmLQIapIKXBlJupz24YJDrw13j5mp4Cm5QKIPsOU7TmMpW/