From hughes.c.m at att.net  Thu Apr 15 16:12:10 2010
From: hughes.c.m at att.net (Mike Hughes)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:12:10 -0400
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Fw:  [mg-tabc] Jarvis Midget (Not TA, B or C content)
Message-ID: <2E897848DBE5448A988D9B30FE06B1EC@computer>

The following was posted to the TABC list.  I thought that someone here might
be in a better position to help trace a pre-war Midget.

- Mike Hughes  -t?t-

~~~~~~~~~~

I have a friend that asked me if anyone would know about a particular car he
had helped restore umpteen years ago. It was a Jarvis Midget based on a
1930s MG chassis and running gear.

Because of time passed he can't remember if it was a four cylinder engine or
six., nor remember the aluminum body style exactly, but thinks it had a
boattail.

This took place in the Los Angeles, California area about the mid '60's.
In '67 he was transferred to New York so does not know how far the
restoration got. The owner of the Jarvis Midget has long since died so
cannot refer back to him, but the owner was Hugh Sutherland

The Jarvis Midget is a new one on me but if anyone has info on this model
and in particular, know of the one once owned by Hugh, my friend would be
most grateful. It is a long shot we know but if any group would have a
clue, my bet is on the knowledgeable TABCers.

Thanks,
David Edgar, TC 5108
El Cajon, California
djedgar at pacbell.net

From pmullen at telus.net  Thu Apr 15 18:11:56 2010
From: pmullen at telus.net (Patrick Mullen)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:11:56 -0700
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Fw:  [mg-tabc] Jarvis Midget (Not TA, B or C  content)
References: <2E897848DBE5448A988D9B30FE06B1EC@computer>
Message-ID: <9BD888DE58654527897E942253E242B0@ThinkCentre2009>

H i David et al,

The Jarvis bodied M-type Midget is, like almost all MG Midgets, a 4-cyl 
2-seater; it is a special-bodied version of the first 847cc ohc Midgets made 
in 1928-32.
They do not have the standard Midget's boattail - instead the spare is 
fitted almost vertical rather like most later Midgets until the MGA, altho 
it doesn't have a slab tank.

There are three photos of the model on page 65 of the first edition of Mike 
Allison's "The Magic of MG" published by Dalton & Watson in 1972.

My first car was a standard 1932 Midget and I loved it with its Vee 
windscreen, boattail, and its powerful engine with all of 20 bhp available; 
in 1951 England UF 8475 wd always give me 45 mpg (that's real Imperial 4.5 
litre gallon of course). It's still in the (UK) MMM Register.

Hope this helps a little .......... Pat Mullen (1936 MG Magnette NA 0895 - 
also in the Register)

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Hughes" <hughes.c.m at att.net>
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Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:12 PM
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Fw: [mg-tabc] Jarvis Midget (Not TA, B or C content)


> The following was posted to the TABC list.  I thought that someone here 
> might
> be in a better position to help trace a pre-war Midget.
>
> - Mike Hughes  -t?t-
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~
>
> I have a friend that asked me if anyone would know about a particular car 
> he
> had helped restore umpteen years ago. It was a Jarvis Midget based on a
> 1930s MG chassis and running gear.
>
> Because of time passed he can't remember if it was a four cylinder engine 
> or
> six., nor remember the aluminum body style exactly, but thinks it had a
> boattail.
>
> This took place in the Los Angeles, California area about the mid '60's.
> In '67 he was transferred to New York so does not know how far the
> restoration got. The owner of the Jarvis Midget has long since died so
> cannot refer back to him, but the owner was Hugh Sutherland
>
> The Jarvis Midget is a new one on me but if anyone has info on this model
> and in particular, know of the one once owned by Hugh, my friend would be
> most grateful. It is a long shot we know but if any group would have a
> clue, my bet is on the knowledgeable TABCers.
>
> Thanks,
> David Edgar, TC 5108
> El Cajon, California
> djedgar at pacbell.net
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From burnett at wistar.org  Fri Apr 16 07:05:43 2010
From: burnett at wistar.org (Roger M. Burnett)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:05:43 +0200
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Fw:  [mg-tabc] Jarvis Midget (Not TA, B or C  content)
In-Reply-To: <2E897848DBE5448A988D9B30FE06B1EC@computer>
References: <2E897848DBE5448A988D9B30FE06B1EC@computer>
Message-ID: <F1853312-268E-42A4-AA89-A9853921F124@wistar.org>

Dear Mike & David:

I just posted your appeal for help to the Vintage Minor Register
forum.  As many of its members have OHC Morris Minors and MG M-types,
maybe there is someone that can help in your search.

Roger Burnett


On Apr 16, 2010, at 12:12 AM, Mike Hughes wrote:

> The following was posted to the TABC list.  I thought that someone
> here might
> be in a better position to help trace a pre-war Midget.
>
> - Mike Hughes  -t?t-
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~
>
> I have a friend that asked me if anyone would know about a
> particular car he
> had helped restore umpteen years ago. It was a Jarvis Midget based
> on a
> 1930s MG chassis and running gear.
>
> Because of time passed he can't remember if it was a four cylinder
> engine or
> six., nor remember the aluminum body style exactly, but thinks it
> had a
> boattail.
>
> This took place in the Los Angeles, California area about the mid
> '60's.
> In '67 he was transferred to New York so does not know how far the
> restoration got. The owner of the Jarvis Midget has long since died so
> cannot refer back to him, but the owner was Hugh Sutherland
>
> The Jarvis Midget is a new one on me but if anyone has info on this
> model
> and in particular, know of the one once owned by Hugh, my friend
> would be
> most grateful. It is a long shot we know but if any group would have a
> clue, my bet is on the knowledgeable TABCers.
>
> Thanks,
> David Edgar, TC 5108
> El Cajon, California
> djedgar at pacbell.net
> _______________________________________________
>
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From p.green at mgk3.co.uk  Fri Apr 16 13:37:27 2010
From: p.green at mgk3.co.uk (Peter Green)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:37:27 +0100
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Fw:  [mg-tabc] Jarvis Midget (Not TA, B or C   content)
References: <2E897848DBE5448A988D9B30FE06B1EC@computer>
	<F1853312-268E-42A4-AA89-A9853921F124@wistar.org>
Message-ID: <0BAFB1D63D8A49E082E9577E20ACD91C@magnette>

David,

You mention that the Jarvis bodied car was a Midget (4 cylinder) but then go
on to say that you do not know if it was a 4 or 6 cylinder car. If it was a 6
cylinder car it could have been a Jarvis bodied F type Magna (6 cylinder).

Peter Green








----- Original Message -----
  From: Roger M. Burnett
  To: Mike Hughes ; David Edgar
  Cc: mg-mmm list
  Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 2:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Fw: [mg-tabc] Jarvis Midget (Not TA, B or C content)


  Dear Mike & David:

  I just posted your appeal for help to the Vintage Minor Register
  forum.  As many of its members have OHC Morris Minors and MG M-types,
  maybe there is someone that can help in your search.

  Roger Burnett


  On Apr 16, 2010, at 12:12 AM, Mike Hughes wrote:

  > The following was posted to the TABC list.  I thought that someone
  > here might
  > be in a better position to help trace a pre-war Midget.
  >
  > - Mike Hughes  -t?t-
  >
  > ~~~~~~~~~~
  >
  > I have a friend that asked me if anyone would know about a
  > particular car he
  > had helped restore umpteen years ago. It was a Jarvis Midget based
  > on a
  > 1930s MG chassis and running gear.
  >
  > Because of time passed he can't remember if it was a four cylinder
  > engine or
  > six., nor remember the aluminum body style exactly, but thinks it
  > had a
  > boattail.
  >
  > This took place in the Los Angeles, California area about the mid
  > '60's.
  > In '67 he was transferred to New York so does not know how far the
  > restoration got. The owner of the Jarvis Midget has long since died so
  > cannot refer back to him, but the owner was Hugh Sutherland
  >
  > The Jarvis Midget is a new one on me but if anyone has info on this
  > model
  > and in particular, know of the one once owned by Hugh, my friend
  > would be
  > most grateful. It is a long shot we know but if any group would have a
  > clue, my bet is on the knowledgeable TABCers.
  >
  > Thanks,
  > David Edgar, TC 5108
  > El Cajon, California
  > djedgar at pacbell.net
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From magnut_dan at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 20 13:12:48 2010
From: magnut_dan at hotmail.com (Daniel Shockey)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:12:48 +0000
Subject: [Mg-mmm] PA Engine Noise
Message-ID: <COL111-W6508E1746280BD9E86E1A0FF0A0@phx.gbl>

Hello,

I rebuilt my PA engine about 2000 miles ago. After driving it to the GoF
Central in Auburn, IN, in 2008, it started making more noise from the engine.
As it got louder, it began to sound like a "worn-out coffee grinder," with
noise from the front of the engine. Lew said that means an alignment issue
with the generator/camshaft drive. I haven't driven it since the GoF except a
little around town. Now it sounds more like a knock inside the valve cover. It
doesn't seem to run any worse and starts easily.

When I rotate the engine using the hand crank, I get binding at one spot in
the camshaft rotation (every 2nd crankshaft rotation). The flex drive stops
then jumps as I slowly rotate the hand crank. It worked very smoothly when I
first rebuilt the motor. I checked that carefully before starting it.

Do I have an alignment issue with the generator drive or perhaps some binding
in the camshaft or camshaft drive? Why would it have gotten worse since I
rebuilt the engine?

Any ideas or suggestions on other tests before I start dismantling things? I
need to have it running well for the GoF in Ohio on July 1.

Thanks in advance.

Dan Shockey
Wyoming, Illinois
PA2108


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From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com  Tue Apr 20 13:58:30 2010
From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Mg-mmm] PA Engine Noise
In-Reply-To: <COL111-W6508E1746280BD9E86E1A0FF0A0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL111-W6508E1746280BD9E86E1A0FF0A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5C089AF60E7941A7A79C0B3A98E31EBE@roundabout.com>

I still think it's a vertical drive alignment issue. First, take the
camshaft off and rotate the engine on the starter (ignition off) and see
whether the dynamo armature and vertical drive rotate and run true with no
binding. If that is OK, check for trueness in the camshaft and that the cam
bearings look OK. Also, lever each valve down and up several times to ensure
they return with no binding.

That all should give you a pretty good idea where the binding is occurring.
The "coffee grinder" sounds are most commonly associated with an imperfect
mesh of the bevel gears. That is solved with shimming up the dynamo to
increase backlash or removal to reduce. If there are no shims under the
dynamo, then the crank mounted bevel gear needs to be shimmed forward.
Occasionally you may be able to shim up the dynamo mounted bevel gear on the
armature shaft.

Report your findings.

Cheers,
Lew Palmer
-----Original Message-----
From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Daniel Shockey
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:13 PM
To: MMM List
Subject: [Mg-mmm] PA Engine Noise

Hello,

I rebuilt my PA engine about 2000 miles ago. After driving it to the GoF
Central in Auburn, IN, in 2008, it started making more noise from the
engine.
As it got louder, it began to sound like a "worn-out coffee grinder," with
noise from the front of the engine. Lew said that means an alignment issue
with the generator/camshaft drive. I haven't driven it since the GoF except
a
little around town. Now it sounds more like a knock inside the valve cover.
It
doesn't seem to run any worse and starts easily.

When I rotate the engine using the hand crank, I get binding at one spot in
the camshaft rotation (every 2nd crankshaft rotation). The flex drive stops
then jumps as I slowly rotate the hand crank. It worked very smoothly when I
first rebuilt the motor. I checked that carefully before starting it.

Do I have an alignment issue with the generator drive or perhaps some
binding
in the camshaft or camshaft drive? Why would it have gotten worse since I
rebuilt the engine?

Any ideas or suggestions on other tests before I start dismantling things? I
need to have it running well for the GoF in Ohio on July 1.

Thanks in advance.

Dan Shockey
Wyoming, Illinois
PA2108


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