From jay at ukhistoric.com Sat May 2 21:03:59 2009 From: jay at ukhistoric.com (jay at ukhistoric.com) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 23:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mg-mmm] P-Type Dynamo. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Back working on the dynamo. Received the new brush set and installed after cleaning up the unit. I did not yet open up the unit, though. I have a few questions on the positions and connections of the brushes: 1) Is the 3rd brush, the thin one, opposite from one of the large brushes?? 2) Is the 3rd brush supposed to be connected to the field coils which is then connected to the smaller external connection on the body? 3) One of the large brushes is connected to ground, the other is connected to the large external connection. Is this correct?? 4) Large brushes are about 90 degrees apart. Correct?? 5) The commutator seems to be in good shape, but I have not checked resistances between "slices". Should I be measuring adjacent, opposite, or others?? There does not seem to be any shorts or "opens" between connections externally and internally. I need to recheck resistances - one measurement is 7 ohms, the other around 225 ohms. I've found various docs online, but none seem to match my current internal configuration. Thanks! Jason. P1237. > Hi all! > > Working on solving a dynamo problem on a P-type, PB engine. Unit does not > seem to be charging. I removed the dynamo from the engine and found that > due to oil and grime build-up, the brushes were frozen in the holders. > While removing the small third-brush, I managed to break it. > > So, a few questions: > 1) Is there a US source for a set of brushes? Any generic part numbers I > could even give to my local rebuild shop? > 2) Should the unit be dismantled to clean? Remove the crank gear? Any > other tricks to opening the unit? Or just leave alone and clean the brush > holders as best as possible? > 3) Can the third brush be adjusted on the bench? I needed to move it to > remove the brush but marked the original position. Or just follow the > adjustment procedure once back on the car? > > Thanks! > Jason. > P1237. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as jay at ukhistoric.com > > http://www.team.net/archive From mgairline35 at aol.com Tue May 5 13:09:56 2009 From: mgairline35 at aol.com (mgairline35 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 15:09:56 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] mmm parts Message-ID: <8CB9BCC365212C4-16AC-765@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> Hello all Have the following for sale: 2" Oil temperature gauge brown face with octagon surround. Restored by John Marks . New condition $175.00 Front & rear?wheel hub?bearings with seals, washers, etc. Also 12" brake linings. Offer Central lube system plates (New)?& fittings Offer. Lou Louchios From jay at ukhistoric.com Tue May 5 13:15:50 2009 From: jay at ukhistoric.com (jay at ukhistoric.com) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mg-mmm] P-Type Dynamo. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <937306ff026069fb7620855e40cb361f.squirrel@204.14.90.12> Now that this message finally posted(server down?), there is an update... Got it all back together on the bench. Applied 12V to field only, then connected field and armature to 12V. The dynamo "motored" along pretty quickly! I'm hoping that's a good sign. Unit is back on the car and I hope to run it this weekend. Jason. > Back working on the dynamo. Received the new brush set and installed > after cleaning up the unit. I did not yet open up the unit, though. > > I have a few questions on the positions and connections of the brushes: > > 1) Is the 3rd brush, the thin one, opposite from one of the large > brushes?? > 2) Is the 3rd brush supposed to be connected to the field coils which is > then connected to the smaller external connection on the body? > 3) One of the large brushes is connected to ground, the other is connected > to the large external connection. Is this correct?? > 4) Large brushes are about 90 degrees apart. Correct?? > 5) The commutator seems to be in good shape, but I have not checked > resistances between "slices". Should I be measuring adjacent, opposite, > or others?? > > There does not seem to be any shorts or "opens" between connections > externally and internally. I need to recheck resistances - one > measurement is 7 ohms, the other around 225 ohms. > > I've found various docs online, but none seem to match my current internal > configuration. > > Thanks! > Jason. > P1237. From felperg at earthlink.net Tue May 5 14:18:17 2009 From: felperg at earthlink.net (Gerald Felper) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:18:17 -0700 Subject: [Mg-mmm] P-Type Dynamo. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A38A0F0-70A8-43E5-AC01-4F18572D48F3@earthlink.net> Jason The third brush is connected to one field wire and the other field wire is connected to the F terminal. Both the third brush and the two larger brushes positions are adjustable. Moving the third brush in the direction of rotation increases the current. With the field wires open check to see that they are not shorted to the case. Jerry On May 2, 2009, at 8:03 PM, jay at ukhistoric.com wrote: > Back working on the dynamo. Received the new brush set and installed > after cleaning up the unit. I did not yet open up the unit, though. > > I have a few questions on the positions and connections of the > brushes: > > 1) Is the 3rd brush, the thin one, opposite from one of the large > brushes?? > 2) Is the 3rd brush supposed to be connected to the field coils > which is > then connected to the smaller external connection on the body? > 3) One of the large brushes is connected to ground, the other is > connected > to the large external connection. Is this correct?? > 4) Large brushes are about 90 degrees apart. Correct?? > 5) The commutator seems to be in good shape, but I have not checked > resistances between "slices". Should I be measuring adjacent, > opposite, > or others?? > > There does not seem to be any shorts or "opens" between connections > externally and internally. I need to recheck resistances - one > measurement is 7 ohms, the other around 225 ohms. > > I've found various docs online, but none seem to match my current > internal > configuration. > > Thanks! > Jason. > P1237. > >> Hi all! >> >> Working on solving a dynamo problem on a P-type, PB engine. Unit >> does not >> seem to be charging. I removed the dynamo from the engine and >> found that >> due to oil and grime build-up, the brushes were frozen in the >> holders. >> While removing the small third-brush, I managed to break it. >> >> So, a few questions: >> 1) Is there a US source for a set of brushes? Any generic part >> numbers I >> could even give to my local rebuild shop? >> 2) Should the unit be dismantled to clean? Remove the crank >> gear? Any >> other tricks to opening the unit? Or just leave alone and clean >> the brush >> holders as best as possible? >> 3) Can the third brush be adjusted on the bench? I needed to move >> it to >> remove the brush but marked the original position. Or just follow >> the >> adjustment procedure once back on the car? >> >> Thanks! >> Jason. >> P1237. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-mmm at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm >> >> You are subscribed as jay at ukhistoric.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as felperg at earthlink.net > > http://www.team.net/archive Gerald Felper Felper Engineering felperg at earthlink.net From DB35PA at aol.com Tue May 5 19:36:19 2009 From: DB35PA at aol.com (DB35PA at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:36:19 EDT Subject: [Mg-mmm] SA and VA Roadster for sale Message-ID: Gents, Mr. Theo Beukes of South Africa has contacted me about his wish to sell both his SA Saloon and VA Roadster. I've seen the pictures and both are just super looking vehicles. Theo was one of many who took pity on me and helped get PA 1823 back on the road. He is considering a relocation and has placed his cars for sale. If interested, please contact him directly. I am not an agent but a member of the MMM network. Don B. Theo Beukes (PhD) + 27 21 881 3246 ( Tel # ) + 27 21 881 3211 ( Fax # ) + 27 83 601 9030 ( Mobile # ) _theo at minpro.co.za_ (mailto:theo at minpro.co.za) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =May5509AvgfooterNO115) From bill at clovermachine.com Wed May 6 13:34:15 2009 From: bill at clovermachine.com (Bill Traill) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:34:15 -0700 Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil pump gear Message-ID: <4A0183C7.28840.F538EA@bill.clovermachine.com> MMM'ers Anyone have a spare J2 oil pump gear? I am inquiring for a shop assembling an engine for J2 #2087(I think thats the #). It is hoped to have it ready for vintage racing in three weeks. The gear has 1/2 a tooth missing and others damaged. Bill Traill Santa Clara, California J2 3343 ...not in need of anything except re-assembly! From mgtom at zoominternet.net Wed May 6 13:12:22 2009 From: mgtom at zoominternet.net (TOM METCALF) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 15:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil pump gear In-Reply-To: <4A0183C7.28840.F538EA@bill.clovermachine.com> References: <4A0183C7.28840.F538EA@bill.clovermachine.com> Message-ID: <4A01E116.2090100@zoominternet.net> Billl, What's the gear height? Standard J2 or J4? tommm Bill Traill wrote: > MMM'ers > > Anyone have a spare J2 oil pump gear? > > I am inquiring for a shop assembling an engine for J2 #2087(I think > thats the #). It is hoped to have it ready for vintage racing in > three weeks. The gear has 1/2 a tooth missing and others damaged. > > Bill Traill > Santa Clara, California > J2 3343 ...not in need of anything except re-assembly! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as mgtom at zoominternet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From spook01 at comcast.net Wed May 6 16:14:04 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:14:04 -0500 Subject: [Mg-mmm] shocking question Message-ID: <7EB4AF3A15FB4C4DA3A9E61D48B0C015@yourpd3mh0abgs> hi guys, does anyone here in the states rebuild/reman the hartford shocks? Best, Ray From nowlanc at comcast.net Wed May 6 17:51:01 2009 From: nowlanc at comcast.net (Chris Nowlan) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:51:01 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] shocking question In-Reply-To: <7EB4AF3A15FB4C4DA3A9E61D48B0C015@yourpd3mh0abgs> Message-ID: <20090506235108.23EB5187673@autox.team.net> Ray, Don't know anyone in the US but the guru of these shocks in the UK is Graham Brown. He can supply a full range of parts so that you can rebuild them yourself or you can ship the shocks over. He does a great rebuild job and his brand new shocks are exactly as original and of very high quality. He can be reached at grahambcsa at hotmail.co.uk Good Luck Chris -----Original Message----- From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01 Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:14 PM To: mg-mmm Subject: [Mg-mmm] shocking question hi guys, does anyone here in the states rebuild/reman the hartford shocks? Best, Ray Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as nowlanc at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive From TATERRY at aol.com Wed May 6 17:55:26 2009 From: TATERRY at aol.com (TATERRY at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:55:26 EDT Subject: [Mg-mmm] shocking question Message-ID: In a message dated 5/6/2009 4:29:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spook01 at comcast.net writes: > does anyone here in the states rebuild/reman the hartford shocks? > Easy to do it yourself Ray, all parts are available from S&V or Paul Beck. Terry


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Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) From bill at clovermachine.com Wed May 6 19:36:20 2009 From: bill at clovermachine.com (Bill Traill) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 18:36:20 -0700 Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil pump gear update Message-ID: <4A01D8A4.19098.14667EF@bill.clovermachine.com> MMM'ers Thanks to Tom Metcalf for follow up and Pete Thelander in locating the needed gear. Bill Traill Santa Clara, California J2 3343 From garykrukoski at yahoo.com Sun May 10 11:32:45 2009 From: garykrukoski at yahoo.com (garykrukoski at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-mmm] parts Message-ID: <407108.93837.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have reached the end of my J2 project. I have a few spare parts that I will not need. I'm not parting out a complete car. The parts came with my J2 as spares. 1 8" brake drums $100 each 2 8" brake levers $10 each 3 Rear bearing carrier $50 4 J2 latch strikers poor condition $35 set 5 NA gearbox PA same ratio $700 6 Chassis from J2 2070 $1200 7 J2 CJF2 cutout complete with new chrome on cover $475 8 J2 CJF2 cutout missing covers broken mount $100 9 J2 radiator shell new chrome nice condition $1200 10 J2 windscreen stripped for plating 1 1/2" lowered $100 11 J2 windscreen supports very nice chrome $300 12 Lucas 140 head light ring nice $50 13 Lucas 140 dipper reflector needs work $100 14 J2 cycle fenders excellent condition not original 4 $500 15 Top half of MMM windscreen $75 16 MMM front wheel hubs $100 each 17 MMM front wheel hubs repaired $25 each 18 MMM front Wheel spindles $100 each 19 PA PB rain channel new $40 20 Leather bonnet strap used 2 3/8 X 68 $50 21 J2 Alloy pressure plate no springs used $80 22 J2 clutch center plate used $50 23 Rear wheel bearings R+M DLJT40 New $100 for 2 24 Steering arms bolt to front spindle $50 pair 25 Chrome wing stay mounting bolts 4 ea and 2 rubber washers $90 26 8" brake shoes 2 pairs $100 for all 27 Track rod end set of 3 need work $30 28 track rod end set LH + RH $100 29 Set of Track rods long + short $100 pair 30 Brooklands steering wheel new $300 I have a few other small parts for sale that I did not list. Please Email or Call me if you are interested or have a question on a needed part. Gary 763 494 4844 Home 763 226 5789 cell Please no out of the USA on the cell number From lawrie at britcars.com Tue May 19 15:32:30 2009 From: lawrie at britcars.com (Lawrie Alexander) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:32:30 -0700 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light" Message-ID: <6B853C6978384717B43563D6164F574B@shop> Hi, folks, I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that plug into the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the brown ones with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang it up under the bonnet. His search via the 'net is stymied by his not knowing if it has a real name (searching for "accessory auto lamps" takes him to all sorts of quite wrong lamps!), and he has no idea what he should pay if he does manage to find one of the correct lamps. Any help or insight would be appreciated. Lawrie Alexander From nowlanc at comcast.net Tue May 19 16:19:41 2009 From: nowlanc at comcast.net (Chris Nowlan) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:19:41 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light" In-Reply-To: <6B853C6978384717B43563D6164F574B@shop> Message-ID: <20090519222010.9492D18765B@autox.team.net> Lawrie, Your customer is looking for a Lucas Model 998 trouble lamp. Lucas part #060103. You could suggest he try his local Lucas depot! Cheers, Chris Nowlan From lawrie at britcars.com Tue May 19 19:20:43 2009 From: lawrie at britcars.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?lawrie?=) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:20:43 -0800 Subject: [Mg-mmm] =?iso-8859-1?q?Accessory_=22trouble_light=22?= Message-ID: <20090520012043.31702.qmail@s417.sureserver.com> Thanks to everyone for the useful information. Per Chris Nowlan's suggestion, I've told my customer to contact his local Lucas dealer. I've also relayed to him the other, perhaps more helpful, suggestions ....... I do appreciate this list .... you guys are great! Lawrie (Chris ... you're still on my "A" list!!) From DB35PA at aol.com Wed May 20 07:17:15 2009 From: DB35PA at aol.com (DB35PA at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:17:15 EDT Subject: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light" Message-ID: Lawrie, My prewar Moss Catalogue call it "Tool set inspection lamp with lead and plug". I have also heard them referred to as... "Portable torch" and "Roadside Torch". On my lamp itself (black) is says...LAMP INSPECTION MKII Ref no. 5c/309 (Picture of a crown) with A.M. under crown. I paid way too much! Hope this helps Don B. In a message dated 5/19/2009 16:33:48 Central Daylight Time, lawrie at britcars.com writes: Hi, folks, I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that plug into the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the brown ones with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang it up under the bonnet. His search via the 'net is stymied by his not knowing if it has a real name (searching for "accessory auto lamps" takes him to all sorts of quite wrong lamps!), and he has no idea what he should pay if he does manage to find one of the correct lamps. Any help or insight would be appreciated. Lawrie Alexander Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as db35pa at aol.com http://www.team.net/archive **************Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dellbs full line of laptops. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222399266x1201456865/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215073777%3B3703434 3%3Bf) From clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com Wed May 20 10:49:58 2009 From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com (Clive Sherriff) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:49:58 +0100 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light" References: Message-ID: Don, >>>5c/309 (Picture of a crown) with A.M. under crown. <<< This indicates that this was a (probably) world War II UK Royal Air Force Air Ministry (A.M.) item, hence too the crown signifying government property. 5c/xxx is typical for many small aircraft electrical parts such as switches. Clive Oxford UK ======================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light" > Lawrie, > My prewar Moss Catalogue call it "Tool set inspection lamp with lead and > plug". I have also heard them referred to as... "Portable torch" and > "Roadside Torch". On my lamp itself (black) is says...LAMP INSPECTION > MKII > Ref no. > 5c/309 (Picture of a crown) with A.M. under crown. I paid way too much! > Hope this helps > Don B. From lawrie at britcars.com Wed May 20 11:03:53 2009 From: lawrie at britcars.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?lawrie?=) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:03:53 -0800 Subject: [Mg-mmm] =?iso-8859-1?q?Accessory_=22trouble_light=22?= Message-ID: <20090520170353.19666.qmail@s417.sureserver.com> Don, "Pre-war Moss catalog"? Obviously not a "Moss catalog printed before the war" so it must be a "catalog of parts sold by Moss for pre-war cars". Even though I worked for Moss from 1980 to 1987, have been a Distriutor of their parts since then and am currently one of their Tech Service Consultants, I've never heard of this publication! Where did you come across it and does it have anything useful for MMM owners? Regards, Lawrie PS My PA is finally on the road, albeit without a top or side curtains yet. The Centric seems loath to produce more than 2-1/2 lbs of boost (despite 1:1 pulleys and having been rebuilt by Nigel the Centric expert in England), and the performance is less than impressive. Still, I finally managed to fix the oil leaks so progress is definitely being made. About time, eh?! > -------Original Message------- > From: DB35PA at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light" > Sent: 20 May '09 05:17 > > Lawrie, > My prewar Moss Catalogue call it "Tool set inspection lamp with lead and > plug". I have also heard them referred to as... "Portable torch" and > "Roadside Torch". On my lamp itself (black) is says...LAMP INSPECTION MKII > Ref no. 5c/309 (Picture of a crown) with A.M. under crown. I paid way too > much! > Hope this helps > Don B. > > > In a message dated 5/19/2009 16:33:48 Central Daylight Time, > lawrie at britcars.com writes: Hi, folks, > > I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that plug > into > the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the brown > ones > with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang it up > under > the bonnet. > > His search via the 'net is stymied by his not knowing if it has a real > name > (searching for "accessory auto lamps" takes him to all sorts of quite > wrong > lamps!), and he has no idea what he should pay if he does manage to find > one > of the correct lamps. > > Any help or insight would be appreciated. > > Lawrie Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as db35pa at aol.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > -------------------- > [LINK: > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222399266x1201456865/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215073777%3B37034343%3Bf] > Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell's full line > of laptops. From bill707 at earthlink.net Wed May 20 12:28:29 2009 From: bill707 at earthlink.net (Bill Tantau) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mg-mmm] Accessory Message-ID: <9897641.1242844109968.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'm sure it's the former "Pre-War Parts Centre" catalogue of he-who-shall-not-be-named... terrific schematics etc. Bill T -----Original Message----- >From: lawrie >Sent: May 20, 2009 1:03 PM >To: DB35PA at aol.com, mg-t at autox.team.net >Cc: mg-mmm at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light" > >Don, > >"Pre-war Moss catalog"? Obviously not a "Moss catalog printed before the war" so it must be a "catalog of parts sold by Moss for pre-war cars". > >Even though I worked for Moss from 1980 to 1987, have been a Distriutor of their parts since then and am currently one of their Tech Service Consultants, I've never heard of this publication! > >Where did you come across it and does it have anything useful for MMM owners? > >Regards, > >Lawrie > >PS My PA is finally on the road, albeit without a top or side curtains yet. The Centric seems loath to produce more than 2-1/2 lbs of boost (despite 1:1 pulleys and having been rebuilt by Nigel the Centric expert in England), and the performance is less than impressive. Still, I finally managed to fix the oil leaks so progress is definitely being made. About time, eh?! > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: DB35PA at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light" >> Sent: 20 May '09 05:17 >> >> Lawrie, >> My prewar Moss Catalogue call it "Tool set inspection lamp with lead and >> plug". I have also heard them referred to as... "Portable torch" and >> "Roadside Torch". On my lamp itself (black) is says...LAMP INSPECTION MKII >> Ref no. 5c/309 (Picture of a crown) with A.M. under crown. I paid way too >> much! >> Hope this helps >> Don B. >> >> >> In a message dated 5/19/2009 16:33:48 Central Daylight Time, >> lawrie at britcars.com writes: Hi, folks, >> >> I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that plug >> into >> the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the brown >> ones >> with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang it up >> under >> the bonnet. >> >> His search via the 'net is stymied by his not knowing if it has a real >> name >> (searching for "accessory auto lamps" takes him to all sorts of quite >> wrong >> lamps!), and he has no idea what he should pay if he does manage to find >> one >> of the correct lamps. >> >> Any help or insight would be appreciated. >> >> Lawrie Alexander >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-mmm at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm >> >> You are subscribed as db35pa at aol.com >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >> -------------------- >> [LINK: >> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222399266x1201456865/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215073777%3B37034343%3Bf] >> Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell's full line >> of laptops. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mg-mmm at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > >You are subscribed as bill707 at earthlink.net > >http://www.team.net/archive From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com Wed May 20 20:18:47 2009 From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:18:47 -0500 Subject: [Mg-mmm] [Mg-t] Accessory "trouble light" In-Reply-To: <20090520170353.19666.qmail@s417.sureserver.com> References: <20090520170353.19666.qmail@s417.sureserver.com> Message-ID: <9967DE036EF24CD48583004F6EA168DE@roundabout.com> Moss Europe bought out the stock and catalog of Barry Walker's "Pre-War MG Parts Centre" some years back and reprinted the old catalog - albeit in Xeroxed form. I think that's what Don meant. Cheers, Lew Palmer -----Original Message----- From: mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-t-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of lawrie Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:04 PM To: DB35PA at aol.com; mg-t at autox.team.net Cc: mg-mmm at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t][Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light" Don, "Pre-war Moss catalog"? Obviously not a "Moss catalog printed before the war" so it must be a "catalog of parts sold by Moss for pre-war cars". Even though I worked for Moss from 1980 to 1987, have been a Distriutor of their parts since then and am currently one of their Tech Service Consultants, I've never heard of this publication! Where did you come across it and does it have anything useful for MMM owners? Regards, Lawrie PS My PA is finally on the road, albeit without a top or side curtains yet. The Centric seems loath to produce more than 2-1/2 lbs of boost (despite 1:1 pulleys and having been rebuilt by Nigel the Centric expert in England), and the performance is less than impressive. Still, I finally managed to fix the oil leaks so progress is definitely being made. About time, eh?! > -------Original Message------- > From: DB35PA at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Accessory "trouble light" > Sent: 20 May '09 05:17 > > Lawrie, > My prewar Moss Catalogue call it "Tool set inspection lamp with lead and > plug". I have also heard them referred to as... "Portable torch" and > "Roadside Torch". On my lamp itself (black) is says...LAMP INSPECTION MKII > Ref no. 5c/309 (Picture of a crown) with A.M. under crown. I paid way too > much! > Hope this helps > Don B. > > > In a message dated 5/19/2009 16:33:48 Central Daylight Time, > lawrie at britcars.com writes: Hi, folks, > > I have a customer looking for one of those accessory lamps that plug > into > the red/black dash sockets on a T-series MG. He wants one of the brown > ones > with the wire that coils inside the body and the hook to hang it up > under > the bonnet. > > His search via the 'net is stymied by his not knowing if it has a real > name > (searching for "accessory auto lamps" takes him to all sorts of quite > wrong > lamps!), and he has no idea what he should pay if he does manage to find > one > of the correct lamps. > > Any help or insight would be appreciated. > > Lawrie Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as db35pa at aol.com > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > -------------------- > [LINK: > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222399266x1201456865/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215073777%3B37034343%3Bf] > Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell's full line > of laptops. Mg-t at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-t Archives at http://www.team.net/archive From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Sun May 24 08:20:26 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 10:20:26 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] MMM Engine News Message-ID: Hi All, Good news, bad news on the Canadian MG MMM engine front. List has been quiet so I thought I would update listers. A-J-3017 engine started reasonably easily after resting for over 30 years and seems to run OK . Started easily alright after the dumb mechanic ( me ) figured out that firing order 1342 was different when the distribiutor shaft is rotating clockwise viewed from the top. I'm using a Morris Minor distributor for now as I had several and internal parts, except rotor plate, are the same as MG TC so no problem . However it confused me as I had the firing order right, but based on a TC anti-clockwise rotation of the rotor. So cylinder 1 and 4 were OK, but 2 and 3 were reversed. Engine started, tried to run, but immediately died. Once I switched plug leads 2 and 3 it started OK and seems to run OK. B-NA-0686 engine has now been partially stripped, only crank to come out of the block. You may recall the engine had a VERY expensive rebuild by a high end shop in Mass. Engine had water in the oil from day one as the new sleeves leaked water. I have purchased a new block and new Phoenix crankshaft from the UK. Original engine rebuild had new 58.5 mm pistons and new Phoenix rods but used the original crank. The rebuild engine had about 200 miles on it before the water problem was painfully apparent. So it all has to come apart to replace the block and crankshaft. Here is what we found so far, not pretty!! 1-removal of the water jacket side plates show about 1 1/2" of soft crud lying in the holes. All water jacket plate bolts were tapped 5/16"BSF. I think this is the sediment from excessive amounts of some type of magic radiator sealant used in a desperate attempt to seal the sleeves to block leak. Sealant didn't work. At least 3 of the 6 sleeves leaked between the block and lower sleeve joint. I will get the rad flushed out prior to use. 2-Home made ( shop ) top hat sleeves were used and the top hat lip is huge, appears to be about 3/8" wide all around. Diameter of the top hat is well beyond the gasket bore hole. Wonder what that did to block integrity? Also photos taken during the sleeving pricess showed huge empty holes in the old block to the extent that essentially no original bore remained. Weakened the block? No matter, new block being used. 3-new 3/8" BSF head studs had been provided by owner but apparently some block tappings were weak so the shop Helicoiled the block 3/8" NC and made new head studs using an apparent 3/8" NC grade 8 bolt, cut the heads off, and threaded the upper section with a very rough 3/8" BSF thread. No wonder some of the head nuts had to be worked all the way off with a wrench. 4-Original crank was ground 1.635" on the rod journals. Weird size. How to fix? see #5, unbelievable!! 5-nice new Phoenix rods had a weird assembly of shell bearings. First an MG Midget/Sprite shell bearing was installed using JBWeld between the rod and shell. Then the bearings were line bored to enlarge the hole and additional shells were installed INSIDE the Midget bored out shells. These inner shells were four piece with an oil groove left between the halves, ( or is that quarters ). In any case, six bearing shell pieces came out of each rod. Is this some type of new technology or just a bodge?? Thankfully it appears that they did not massage the rod itself so these should be OK after removing the JBWeld. As a result of all this, I need: 1-new set of 3/8" N Type head studs and nuts. Who is best supplier? 2-new head gasket. Old gasket is 0.063" thick copper/asbestos. Probably go for a 0.060" solid copper. Comments? 3-MG Midget standard size rod bearings. I have to check, I may have these in stock. 4-Pistons? new block has approx. 0.375" bore walls so can easily use oversize pistons. What is recommended? Pistons in the block were 58.5 mm and could be re-used as they look as new. Maybe bore wall thickness and cooling/heat transfer concerns dictates a larger bore? Seaking advice. Piston supplier ecommended? Venolia in California?? All for now. Trust this is of interest. Looking for advice as I have no experience with MMM engines but am trying to learn . Thanks, Bob Grunau J-3017 PA-0531 NA-0686 From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Sun May 24 15:55:32 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:55:32 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] MMM Engine News In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It appears the first email may have bounced due to excessive length , so here is a shorter version. Sorry if it comes through twice. Bob Hi again MMMers. In my earlier email re MMM Engine News I referred to " a VERY expensive rebuild by a high end shop in Mass." I had forwarded my email to Chris Leydon , Leydon Restorations, and he has made the comment following. " When you write to any MG newsletter and mention an MG engine was taken to a "high end" engine shop, the readers will suspect it was sent to me irregardless of the designation of the named state. After forty years of dedication to the craft (see Kudos section of my website and please read the letters and articles), I would feel it tragic to be implicated in work by the very scoundrel whose travesties I have had to repair." So let me be VERY CLEAR, I was NOT refering to Chris Leydon or his restoration business and aplogize to him if this caused any misunderstnding . The shop in question was In Salem Mass. at the time and has no connection to Chris. Sorry Anybody wants the name of the shop, I'll advise it by telephone, I can call you if you email me the request with your telephone number. Bob Grunau Hi All, Good news, bad news on the Canadian MG MMM engine front. List has been quiet so I thought I would update listers. B-NA-0686 engine has now been partially stripped, only crank to come out of the block. You may recall the engine had a VERY expensive rebuild by a high end shop in Mass. Engine had water in the oil from day one as the new sleeves leaked water. From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Mon May 25 06:15:04 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 08:15:04 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] MMM Engine News In-Reply-To: <2ED8F1E7D5054A909DD7228FBE9AFD2E@2001p4> Message-ID: Hi Pat and several others, You are right, Morris Minor and MG TC,TD,TF Midgets dizzies do in fact rotate CCW when viewed from above. I was wrong to say it was a Morris Minor distributor I was using in the J2. I have corrected the note below. The distributor I am using is a Lucas 50050 which does have CW ( clock ways ) rotation when viewed from above and therefore the rotation is correct for the J2 or P types. The Lucas 50050 distributor is from a Hillman Minx 1954/55 or Humber Hawk 1946/50 and 1953. Lucas 50050 distributor has a 10 degree advance plate, same as J2 or P type. Many parts are the same as T type, body, cap, points, condenser plate and maybe the cam. The action plate, rotor, weights are opposite for the CW rotation. If you want more than 10 degrees advance, you can use a Lucas 40074 distributor, also CW rotation viewed from the top, which gives 17 degrees advance. Lucas 40074 is from a Hillman Minx 1939/40 and Triumph saloon or roadster 1946-48. Or you can drill out the size of the advance weight stop holes in the 40050 distributor slightly to get more than 10 degrees advance. I apologize to all who rushed out to the local junk yard and bought Morris Minor distributors when in fact the correct distributor was from the derelict Hillman Minx parked beside the Minor. No idea yet how the J2 runs at 5000 rpm, just fast idle in the garage now till I finish a ton of work on it. Best regards and glad to see people actually read my emails and correct my mistakes. Bob Grunau Bob, * Congrats on getting the J-type to run! However, postwar Minors and Midgets have dizzies (eg 40048) which rotate CCW viewed from the top. If you rotate them CW for a MMM they will not advance with increasing speed. How does J3017 run at 5500 rpm? * Hope this helps Cheers ..... Pat > > Hi All, > Good news, bad news on the Canadian MG MMM engine front. List has been > quiet > so I thought I would update listers. > > A-J-3017 engine started reasonably easily after resting for over 30 years > and seems to run OK . Started easily alright after the dumb mechanic ( > me ) > figured out that firing order 1342 was different when the distributor > shaft > is rotating clockwise viewed from the top. I'm using a Hillman Minx > distributor for now as I had several and internal parts, except rotor > plate, > are the same as MG TC so no problem . However it confused me as I had the > firing order right, but based on a TC anti-clockwise rotation of the > rotor. > So cylinder 1 and 4 were OK, but 2 and 3 were reversed. Engine started, > tried to run, but immediately died. Once I switched plug leads 2 and 3 it > started OK and seems to run OK. From Dduncombes at aol.com Tue May 26 10:29:39 2009 From: Dduncombes at aol.com (Dduncombes at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:29:39 EDT Subject: [Mg-mmm] MMM Engine News Message-ID: Bob I would definitely support the use of Venolia pistons. When I first saw the name I thought it must be some new body moisturiser but then I met some Jaguar racing engine builders here in the UK and they would only use Venolia. I subsequently fitted them in my P type (blown) - never any problems over 10,000 miles. You are right, the bigend assemblies must be new technology because I've never heard of it (joke). Regards Paul Duncombe From DB35PA at aol.com Thu May 28 10:27:53 2009 From: DB35PA at aol.com (DB35PA at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:27:53 EDT Subject: [Mg-mmm] Identify Dizzy please Message-ID: Gents, Found a Lucas Distributor which I cannot identify... cap was black, 6 cyl contacts, smooth round W/flat top and wires (not present) appear to plug in through holes in the side, not stabbed down from the top through rubber seals, which I'm accustomed to seeing. Numbers were as follows... What have I found? DUHGA type FA 32 844 12 degrees (408684) Thanks Don B. **************Cooking Dinner For Two? Sign Up & Get Immediate Member-Only Savings. 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I'd like to see the drive type, etc. thx tommm DB35PA at aol.com wrote: > Gents, > Found a Lucas Distributor which I cannot identify... cap was black, 6 cyl > contacts, smooth round W/flat top and wires (not present) appear to plug > in through holes in the side, not stabbed down from the top through rubber > seals, which I'm accustomed to seeing. Numbers were as follows... What > have I found? > > DUHGA type FA 32 > 844 12 degrees > (408684) > > Thanks > Don B. > > **************Cooking Dinner For Two? Sign Up & Get Immediate Member-Only > Savings. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222652750x1201460983/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225797%3B37274671%3Bq%3Fhttp:%2 > F%2Frecipes.cookingfor2.pillsbury.com%2F%3FESRC%3D934) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as mgtom at zoominternet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From pmullen at telus.net Thu May 28 18:21:30 2009 From: pmullen at telus.net (Pat Mullen) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:21:30 -0700 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Identify Dizzy please References: Message-ID: <84A5112B0E3A42749700EB9B99A73AFA@2001p4> Don, It is almost certainly a DUH6A, not a DUHGA which I have never heard of (408683 is a DUH6A). Many DUH6s will fit MMM sixes provided the dizzy turns the less common way, ie if they turn CW looking down at the cap ("ACW" according to the original Lucas catalogues - Lucas always looked at the driven end). As far as I know no DUH6 can have a vacuum unit. Check the rotation carefully - you may have a find ! ......Pat (NA0895) ********************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:27 AM Subject: [Mg-mmm] Identify Dizzy please > > Gents, > Found a Lucas Distributor which I cannot identify... cap was black, 6 > cyl > contacts, smooth round W/flat top and wires (not present) appear to plug > in through holes in the side, not stabbed down from the top through > rubber > seals, which I'm accustomed to seeing. Numbers were as follows... What > have I found? > > DUHGA type FA 32 > 844 12 degrees > (408684) > > Thanks > Don B. > > **************Cooking Dinner For Two? Sign Up & Get Immediate Member-Only > Savings. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222652750x1201460983/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225797%3B37274671%3Bq%3Fhttp:%2 > F%2Frecipes.cookingfor2.pillsbury.com%2F%3FESRC%3D934) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as pmullen at telus.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From nowlanc at comcast.net Fri May 29 12:52:56 2009 From: nowlanc at comcast.net (Chris Nowlan) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:52:56 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Good MG Photos needed Message-ID: <20090529185300.7344F18A205@autox.team.net> Hi Guys, I got volunteered into doing a presentation for the upcoming N.E.M.G.T.R. GoF at Concord NH in mid June. I'll be giving a talk entitled "Restoration and drivability Joys of Pre-& Post war MG's" Basically, I'll be going through mostly the prewar models including Vintage, MMM, SVW & T-type discussing the pros & cons of each, restoration challenges, driving characteristics with the idea of promoting more interest in the prewar cars. I'll be presenting charts and stats on each along with a selection of photos. I realize that most of my own photos fall more into the category of snap shots and that when viewed with a projector do not look that great. I would be most grateful if anyone out there has just a few really good quality,clear photos that can be e-mailed to me with minimal compression. You likely would not be able to send more than 3-4 quality photos with an e-mail. I'll keep checking my e-mail over the next few days to keep my own inbox clear. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Chris Nowlan