From scvc70 at epix.net Mon Jun 1 08:26:04 2009 From: scvc70 at epix.net (Carr&Edwards) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:26:04 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] F Magna spotted for sale Message-ID: <1EC2B05FC2114489864B72BA3BE75884@S0026273562> God morning fellow NAMMMRs -- At the AACA National Spring Meet in Gettysburg, PA, this past weekend we saw an F Magna tourer, F0351, for sale. It was chained down on a roll-back, so I couldn't get a photo of the interior, but the guy selling it (along with several other "project cars") said that "it's all there." Said to have been in storage since 1954. No rust-through visible, just a lot of surface rust and peeling paint. Would be a great project for somebody, but not us--but we've already got enough projects! I have 7 exterior photos, including contact info, and will email on request. (Total almost 6MB, so probably not for those on dial-up connections.) No financial interest -- just want to get the word out to the rest of you. Sarah Carr PA0935 From clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com Fri Jun 5 02:39:10 2009 From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com (Clive Sherriff) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:39:10 +0100 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Bodywork designers References: <12662.79690.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83BDEBFF0F5642E3B63592C8C108499D@cypress> With MG producing new models quite frequently from 1929 on, one thing I have never come accross is the names of anyone connected with drawing up the body designs. Was there a design team and who do we owe thanks to for the body lines of the various MMM and T Type sports and the other saloon and tourer models? Clive Oxford UK From hughes.c.m at worldnet.att.net Fri Jun 5 07:46:11 2009 From: hughes.c.m at worldnet.att.net (Mike Hughes) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 09:46:11 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] [mg-tabc] Bodywork designers References: <12662.79690.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <83BDEBFF0F5642E3B63592C8C108499D@cypress> Message-ID: <4BB298834E6046ACB5FE8C259F92FFFE@computer> "With MG producing new models quite frequently from 1929 on, one thing I have never come across is the names of anyone connected with drawing up the body designs. Was there a design team and who do we owe thanks to for the body lines of the various MMM and T Type sports and the other saloon and tourer models?" Interesting question, Clive! M.G. Lore has it that Cecil Kimber himself was very interested in the styling of the M.G. offerings. In addition several coachbuilders supplied bodies for M.G. in the Kimber era: Charlesworth, Allingham, Cresta, Styles, Tickford, and others, while Carbodies of Coventry probably supplied the bulk of the pre-war coachwork. It would not be out of the question that coachbuilders either actively prospected for business or were invited, perhaps by Kimber himself, to submit body styling proposals for consideration. That would have been fairly common practice in the motor trade back in the days before the advent of corporate styling departments. Remember that the birth of M.G. is credited to Kimber himself designing and producing special bodied Morris cars inside William Morris' own repair shop. Remember, too, that William Lyons got his start in the Automobile business expanding the Swallow sidecar operation to design and build special bodies for the Austin Seven! Of course, we know by whom and how the final body of the coachbuilt era of M.G. was "styled." The TF body was done in-house at Abingdon when Syd Enever's MGA prototype was passed over for production by upper management in favor of the Healey 100. - Mike Hughes -t?t- '37 TA 0512 Alexandria, Virginia From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com Fri Jun 5 09:25:41 2009 From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:25:41 -0500 Subject: [Mg-mmm] [mg-tabc] Bodywork designers In-Reply-To: <4BB298834E6046ACB5FE8C259F92FFFE@computer> References: <12662.79690.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com><83BDEBFF0F5642E3B63592C8C108499D@cypress> <4BB298834E6046ACB5FE8C259F92FFFE@computer> Message-ID: In the case of the P-type and N-type Airline Coupes of 1934 - 1936, the body designer was the independent firm of H.W. Allingham (10 Stratford Place, London W1). Henry Allingham contracted with Carbodies and Wittingham & Mitchell to construct the bodywork and mount them on chassis supplied by MG. These were then dispatched to the main distributors to be advertised and sold along side other MG models of the era. Other independent body designers (Abbey, Charlesworth, and others) operated somewhat differently as they took delivery of the MG chassis, mounted their own bodywork and sold the cars through their own sales network. There is an excellent book on the various coachbuilders entitled "A - X of British Coachbuilders 1919 - 1960" by Nick Walker. It's a good read and very enlightening. Cheers, Lew Palmer The MG Airline Coupe Registry http://www.roundaboutmanor.com/airline -----Original Message----- From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Hughes Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:46 AM To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net; mg-tabc at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] [mg-tabc] Bodywork designers "With MG producing new models quite frequently from 1929 on, one thing I have never come across is the names of anyone connected with drawing up the body designs. Was there a design team and who do we owe thanks to for the body lines of the various MMM and T Type sports and the other saloon and tourer models?" Interesting question, Clive! M.G. Lore has it that Cecil Kimber himself was very interested in the styling of the M.G. offerings. In addition several coachbuilders supplied bodies for M.G. in the Kimber era: Charlesworth, Allingham, Cresta, Styles, Tickford, and others, while Carbodies of Coventry probably supplied the bulk of the pre-war coachwork. It would not be out of the question that coachbuilders either actively prospected for business or were invited, perhaps by Kimber himself, to submit body styling proposals for consideration. That would have been fairly common practice in the motor trade back in the days before the advent of corporate styling departments. Remember that the birth of M.G. is credited to Kimber himself designing and producing special bodied Morris cars inside William Morris' own repair shop. Remember, too, that William Lyons got his start in the Automobile business expanding the Swallow sidecar operation to design and build special bodies for the Austin Seven! Of course, we know by whom and how the final body of the coachbuilt era of M.G. was "styled." The TF body was done in-house at Abingdon when Syd Enever's MGA prototype was passed over for production by upper management in favor of the Healey 100. - Mike Hughes -t?t- '37 TA 0512 Alexandria, Virginia Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com http://www.team.net/archive From spook01 at comcast.net Fri Jun 5 17:16:54 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:16:54 -0500 Subject: [Mg-mmm] [mg-tabc] Bodywork designers References: <12662.79690.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com><83BDEBFF0F5642E3B63592C8C108499D@cypress> <4BB298834E6046ACB5FE8C259F92FFFE@computer> Message-ID: don't forget bob glammis of the businessman's coupe. he drowned in a freak boating accident when his wife ran over him with the runabout in which they were riding. btw, enever got the last laugh when the MGA saved MG from extinction again. it is interesting how many different cars were actually built at Abingdon...the MG, of course, that started the "magic", the riley (which had to be improved by MG before they could release it) , the Healy and I believe even some triumph's were screwed together there - but I could be wrong since most of the tr7's front suspensions dropped out on the road within 50 miles. were there any others?? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hughes" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] [mg-tabc] Bodywork designers > "With MG producing new models quite frequently > from 1929 on, one thing I have never come > across is the names of anyone connected with > drawing up the body designs. > > Was there a design team and who do we owe thanks > to for the body lines of the various MMM and T Type > sports and the other saloon and tourer models?" > > > Interesting question, Clive! > > M.G. Lore has it that Cecil Kimber himself was very interested in the > styling > of the M.G. offerings. In addition several coachbuilders supplied bodies > for > M.G. in the Kimber era: Charlesworth, Allingham, Cresta, Styles, > Tickford, > and others, while Carbodies of Coventry probably supplied the bulk of the > pre-war coachwork. It would not be out of the question that coachbuilders > either actively prospected for business or were invited, perhaps by Kimber > himself, to submit body styling proposals for consideration. That would > have > been fairly common practice in the motor trade back in the days before the > advent of corporate styling departments. Remember that the birth of M.G. > is > credited to Kimber himself designing and producing special bodied Morris > cars > inside William Morris' own repair shop. Remember, too, that William Lyons > got > his start in the Automobile business expanding the Swallow sidecar > operation > to design and build special bodies for the Austin Seven! > > Of course, we know by whom and how the final body of the coachbuilt era of > M.G. was "styled." The TF body was done in-house at Abingdon when Syd > Enever's MGA prototype was passed over for production by upper management > in > favor of the Healey 100. > > - Mike Hughes -t?t- > '37 TA 0512 > Alexandria, Virginia > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as spook01 at comcast.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Sat Jun 6 15:13:43 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 17:13:43 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Identify Dizzy please In-Reply-To: <84A5112B0E3A42749700EB9B99A73AFA@2001p4> Message-ID: Don, That is a very good find, The distributor in NA-0686 is also 408684 , DUH6A-0, FA 32, 544, 12 degrees. So you have a 6 cylinder MMM distributor that rotates CW when viewed from above. My Lucas book does not show this number. BTW, most DUH6A distributors, including 408684, take the Lucas point set 400415. I am fortunate to have several spare sets. Also, if stuck with a ACW rotor, the brass pointer can be removed, flipped over, and re-glued and presto, a CW rotor. The rotor in NA-0686 has had this modification as the pointer is loose and the directional arrow is underneath as installed. New question, I have a Lucas Model DKHA6A-0 , #406358 , type A132 six cylinder distributor. Any idea if this will suit an MMM car? Rotation? Degrees advance?? My Lucas book has 1939 to about 1953 information and does not show this distributor Best regards and thanks, Bob Grunau Canada Don, It is almost certainly a DUH6A, not a DUHGA which I have never heard of (408683 is a DUH6A). Many DUH6s will fit MMM sixes provided the dizzy turns the less common way, ie if they turn CW looking down at the cap ("ACW" according to the original Lucas catalogues - Lucas always looked at the driven end). As far as I know no DUH6 can have a vacuum unit. Check the rotation carefully - you may have a find ! ......Pat (NA0895) > > Gents, > Found a Lucas Distributor which I cannot identify... cap was black, 6 > cyl > contacts, smooth round W/flat top and wires (not present) appear to plug > in through holes in the side, not stabbed down from the top through > rubber > seals, which I'm accustomed to seeing. Numbers were as follows... What > have I found? > > DUHGA type FA 32 > 844 12 degrees > (408684) > > Thanks > Don B. > > **************Cooking Dinner For Two? Sign Up & Get Immediate Member-Only > Savings. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222652750x1201460983/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225797%3B37274671%3Bq%3Fhttp:%2 > F%2Frecipes.cookingfor2.pillsbury.com%2F%3FESRC%3D934) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as pmullen at telus.net > > http://www.team.net/archive Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as grunau.garage at sympatico.ca http://www.team.net/archive From taterry at pacbell.net Sat Jun 6 16:34:24 2009 From: taterry at pacbell.net (Terry Sanders) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 15:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-mmm] Identify Dizzy please Message-ID: <306491.71596.qm@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Go to www.nammmr.com and look under "Technical" , "part numbers" for the N types, DQH6A is what was with my NA and I believe it to be original. I also have a 6 cylinder dizzy here that is listed in the book to be for Jag SS100...it will also work in the N type. I'm not at home right now so cannot give you the number off of it. Terry --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Bob Grunau wrote: From: Bob Grunau Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Identify Dizzy please To: "Pat Mullen" , DB35PA at aol.com, mg-mmm at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 2:13 PM Don, That is a very good find, The distributor in NA-0686 is also 408684 , DUH6A-0, FA 32, 544, 12 degrees. So you have a 6 cylinder MMM distributor that rotates CW when viewed from above. My Lucas book does not show this number. BTW, most DUH6A distributors, including 408684, take the Lucas point set 400415. I am fortunate to have several spare sets. Also, if stuck with a ACW rotor, the brass pointer can be removed, flipped over, and re-glued and presto, a CW rotor. The rotor in NA-0686 has had this modification as the pointer is loose and the directional arrow is underneath as installed. New question, I have a Lucas Model DKHA6A-0 , #406358 , type A132 six cylinder distributor. Any idea if this will suit an MMM car? Rotation? Degrees advance?? My Lucas book has 1939 to about 1953 information and does not show this distributor Best regards and thanks, Bob Grunau Canada Don, It is almost certainly a DUH6A, not a DUHGA which I have never heard of (408683 is a DUH6A). Many DUH6s will fit MMM sixes provided the dizzy turns the less common way, ie if they turn CW looking down at the cap ("ACW" according to the original Lucas catalogues - Lucas always looked at the driven end). As far as I know no DUH6 can have a vacuum unit. Check the rotation carefully - you may have a find ! ......Pat (NA0895) > > Gents, > Found a Lucas Distributor which I cannot identify... cap was black, 6 > cyl > contacts, smooth round W/flat top and wires (not present) appear to plug > in through holes in the side, not stabbed down from the top through > rubber > seals, which I'm accustomed to seeing. Numbers were as follows... What > have I found? > > DUHGA type FA 32 > 844 12 degrees > (408684) > > Thanks > Don B. > > **************Cooking Dinner For Two? Sign Up & Get Immediate Member-Only > Savings. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222652750x1201460983/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225797%3B37274671%3Bq%3Fhttp:%2 > F%2Frecipes.cookingfor2.pillsbury.com%2F%3FESRC%3D934) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as pmullen at telus.net > > http://www.team.net/archive Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as grunau.garage at sympatico.ca http://www.team.net/archive Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as taterry at pacbell.net http://www.team.net/archive From pmullen at telus.net Mon Jun 8 14:41:22 2009 From: pmullen at telus.net (Pat Mullen) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:41:22 -0700 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Identify Dizzy please References: <306491.71596.qm@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Terry is right about DQH6A. My NA 0895 (an NB) also came with this dizzy and the 1930-39 Lucas catalogue agrees (see page 158). I've just realised that I have a 408684! Barry Walker sold me my DUH6A 408684 FA32 644 120. It appears to be NOS. I have not found it in any Lucas catalogue, including the 1939-54 and the 1945-60. (I know that several DUH6As were spec'd for petrol tankers and other commercial lorries.) I presume it advances 2 x 120 = 240. According to Blower's specs for the N-type, the car needed 200 advance on the crank at 2000 crank rpm, ending at 400 at 4000rpm - presumably using 1930s petrol - with the static advance set at 200 BTDC. This, presumably, is what a DQH6A gives us. According to the1930-39 catalog, the SS100 and other SS dizzies were all conventional direction, ie "CW" under Lucas's convention or CCW under what most N.Americans use We need Lucas's "ACW" (CW to us). Which begs the question: "Which parts need to be replaced in order to change the direction of these dizzies?" Then we cd use the other DUH6As and, dare I say it, more modern dizzies with vacuum control. Cheers ........ Pat *********************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Sanders To: Pat Mullen ; DB35PA at aol.com ; mg-mmm at autox.team.net ; Bob Grunau Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Identify Dizzy please Go to www.nammmr.com and look under "Technical" , "part numbers" for the N types, DQH6A is what was with my NA and I believe it to be original. I also have a 6 cylinder dizzy here that is listed in the book to be for Jag SS100...it will also work in the N type. I'm not at home right now so cannot give you the number off of it. Terry --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Bob Grunau wrote: From: Bob Grunau Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Identify Dizzy please To: "Pat Mullen" , DB35PA at aol.com, mg-mmm at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 2:13 PM Don, That is a very good find, The distributor in NA-0686 is also 408684 , DUH6A-0, FA 32, 544, 12 degrees. So you have a 6 cylinder MMM distributor that rotates CW when viewed from above. My Lucas book does not show this number. BTW, most DUH6A distributors, including 408684, take the Lucas point set 400415. I am fortunate to have several spare sets. Also, if stuck with a ACW rotor, the brass pointer can be removed, flipped over, and re-glued and presto, a CW rotor. The rotor in NA-0686 has had this modification as the pointer is loose and the directional arrow is underneath as installed. New question, I have a Lucas Model DKHA6A-0 , #406358 , type A132 six cylinder distributor. Any idea if this will suit an MMM car? Rotation? Degrees advance?? My Lucas book has 1939 to about 1953 information and does not show this distributor Best regards and thanks, Bob Grunau Canada From DB35PA at aol.com Thu Jun 11 14:15:24 2009 From: DB35PA at aol.com (DB35PA at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:15:24 EDT Subject: [Mg-mmm] luggage rack Message-ID: Gents, Boy did I learn a lot from my question on the NA distributor! Now I have a much more simple question... will the early T luggage rack work on my PA? There are no early Ts in KC area with one mounted, and I hesitate to go forward without knowing. If so, anyone have a spare they would like to sell? Thanks Don B. **************Dell Deals: Donbt miss huge summer savings on popular laptops starting at $449. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221770187x1201425153/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215566131%3B37864407%3B i) From scvc70 at epix.net Fri Jun 12 13:57:25 2009 From: scvc70 at epix.net (Carr&Edwards) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 15:57:25 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] "interesting" trip Message-ID: <285E778C2297443B947AE2FCE6F293F4@S0026273562> We've probably all heard the (apocryphal?) Chinese curse -- "May you live in interesting times." And we all know that traveling with an old car can be "interesting" indeed. This past Tuesday morning a woman named Emily Anderson started out from NYC in a 1909 Maxwell in what is already turning out to be a very "interesting" trip -- retracing the 1909 transcontinental journey of Alice Huyler Ramsey, the first woman to drive an automobile across the USA. (Those of you who are AACA or VMCCA members have read about this project in the club magazines.) I met the group when they arrived in Poughkeepsie, NY, on Tuesday afternoon (two hours late--already had to weld a broken spring bracket!), just to cheer them on, and have been following them since on their website. If you want to find out just how "interesting" a trip can be, go to http://aliceramsey.org. I won't ever complain again about having to change a fuel pump or a radiator hose or some other such trivial thing on the road! Sarah Carr (various LBCs-- some running, some not...)