From jj at octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk  Thu Jan  1 11:06:53 2009
From: jj at octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk (John James)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:06:53 -0000
Subject: [Mg-mmm] FITTING THE J2 PETROL TANK
Message-ID: <B1C407481BCF475D8CB481546C0D17EC@DAD>

Gary,

 

The measurements in my previous e-mail were not clear so I'm repeating them
again.

 

The rubber packing is 0.5 inches in section and 1.25 inches wide.

 

The holes in the rear chassis tube are 16.5 inches between centres
(centers). This distance is the same for both the J2 (and no doubt other
Triple-M cars) and the beam axle T-Series models.

 

I confirm that the mounting clamps for the J-type are identical to the beam
axle T-Series models.

 

Regards,

 

JOHN JAMES

From rnmgracer at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  1 11:22:06 2009
From: rnmgracer at sbcglobal.net (Reynaldo Navarro)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:22:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mg-mmm] New PB Block for Sale
Message-ID: <26408.89306.qm@web83103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have a new PB Block for Sale, also one PB Head in good condition
 
If Pls.
cal 708-997-7380 Cell, Home 708-442-7380
Thanks
Rey Navarro

From zwart1 at cox.net  Thu Jan  1 11:46:55 2009
From: zwart1 at cox.net (Robert Zwart)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:46:55 -0800
Subject: [Mg-mmm] New PB Block for Sale
In-Reply-To: <26408.89306.qm@web83103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <26408.89306.qm@web83103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9D877086-DD37-4467-B1FB-CE40A2AA70F8@cox.net>

GOOD START............................  YOU ONLY NEED A CHASSIS, TRANY  
AND A FEW OTHER PARTS.
	BOB Z
On Jan 1, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Reynaldo Navarro wrote:

> I have a new PB Block for Sale, also one PB Head in good condition
>
> If Pls.
> cal 708-997-7380 Cell, Home 708-442-7380
> Thanks
> Rey Navarro
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From taterry at pacbell.net  Thu Jan  1 11:47:42 2009
From: taterry at pacbell.net (Terry Sanders)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:47:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mg-mmm] FITTING THE J2 PETROL TANK
In-Reply-To: <B1C407481BCF475D8CB481546C0D17EC@DAD>
Message-ID: <49499.87018.qm@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have some cross tube mounting clamps from a TC if that is of interest......
Terry in Oakland, CA

--- On Thu, 1/1/09, John James <jj at octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:

From: John James <jj at octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk>
Subject: [Mg-mmm] FITTING THE J2 PETROL TANK
To: garykrukoski at yahoo.com
Cc: mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 10:06 AM

Gary,

 

The measurements in my previous e-mail were not clear so I'm repeating them
again.

 

The rubber packing is 0.5 inches in section and 1.25 inches wide.

 

The holes in the rear chassis tube are 16.5 inches between centres
(centers). This distance is the same for both the J2 (and no doubt other
Triple-M cars) and the beam axle T-Series models.

 

I confirm that the mounting clamps for the J-type are identical to the beam
axle T-Series models.

 

Regards,

 

JOHN JAMES
Mg-mmm at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm

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From kevin at sellingrichmond.com  Fri Jan  2 08:29:56 2009
From: kevin at sellingrichmond.com (Kevin Allocca)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:29:56 -0500
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Year Books
Message-ID: <005801c96cee$fc9c2e80$f5d48b80$@com>

I have filled my collection of Year Books back to 1973. Can anyone tell me
when they started and a source to fill out the collection if I am missing
any.

Thanks, Kevin

PA 1388

 

Kevin M. Allocca

Broker/Owner

ND logo

Neumann & Dunn Real Estate & Development LLC

2044 John Rolfe Parkway

Richmond, VA 23238

804-754-1835- Work

804-750-1836- Fax

804-909-5751- Cell

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From i.thomson at talk21.com  Fri Jan  2 11:48:32 2009
From: i.thomson at talk21.com (i.thomson at talk21.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:48:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 Fume seal
Message-ID: <185596.33970.qm@web87014.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hi All.  To help me get going again on a stalled restoration has anyone out
there got a diagram for the metal plate which attaches to the gearbox
bellhousing below the firewall.  I believe that there was a diagram of it it
was in Octagon Heaven 104.  If anyone has a copy of this I would appreciate it
if you could please copy it to me as an email attachment.

Regards
Ian Thomson

From garykrukoski at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 13:20:43 2009
From: garykrukoski at yahoo.com (Gary Krukoski)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:20:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mg-mmm] FITTING THE J2 PETROL TANK
In-Reply-To: <B1C407481BCF475D8CB481546C0D17EC@DAD>
Message-ID: <248985.48655.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi All
Thanks for the help on my tank instillation. Have ordered the needed sheer of
rubber to use on the tank.

Cheers
Gary

--- On Thu, 1/1/09, John James <jj at octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
From: John James <jj at octagon.fsbusiness.co.uk>
Subject: FITTING THE J2 PETROL TANK
To: garykrukoski at yahoo.com
Cc: mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 12:06 PM

















Gary,

  

The measurements in my previous e-mail were
not clear so I"m repeating them again.

  

The rubber packing is 0.5 inches in
section and 1.25 inches wide.

  

The holes in the rear chassis tube are
16.5 inches between centres (centers). This distance is the same for both the
J2 (and no doubt other Triple-M cars) and the beam axle T-Series models.

  

I confirm that the mounting clamps for the
J-type are identical to the beam axle T-Series models.

  

Regards,

  

JOHN JAMES

  

From gd.morbey at virgin.net  Fri Jan  2 15:10:26 2009
From: gd.morbey at virgin.net (Richard and Gill Morbey)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 22:10:26 -0000
Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 Fume seal
In-Reply-To: <185596.33970.qm@web87014.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <185596.33970.qm@web87014.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOAkqpKUmHZGph006p7WQJfCgAAAEAAAAI7C+XE1fSBFvBa5pe5QxMUBAAAAAA==@virgin.net>

Ian

Barry Walker's website has a number of pictures which may help.  Try this
one

http://www.barrywalker.com/cat.asp?cat=27 

Regards
Dick Morbey

Visit www.chiltern-camerata.org.uk/  for information about music in the High
Wycombe area.
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of i.thomson at talk21.com
Sent: 02 January 2009 18:49
To: Mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 Fume seal

Hi All.  To help me get going again on a stalled restoration has anyone out
there got a diagram for the metal plate which attaches to the gearbox
bellhousing below the firewall.  I believe that there was a diagram of it it
was in Octagon Heaven 104.  If anyone has a copy of this I would appreciate
it
if you could please copy it to me as an email attachment.

Regards
Ian Thomson
Mg-mmm at autox.team.net
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From Jorolibb at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 16:38:07 2009
From: Jorolibb at aol.com (Jorolibb at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:38:07 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 Fume seal
Message-ID: <bcb.41a30331.368fff5f@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/2/2009 1:48:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
i.thomson at talk21.com writes:

Hi All.  To help me get going again on a stalled restoration has anyone out
there got a diagram for the metal plate which attaches to the gearbox
bellhousing below the firewall.  I believe that there was a diagram of it it
was in Octagon Heaven 104.  If anyone has a copy of this I would appreciate it
if you could please copy it to me as an email attachment.

Regards
Ian Thomson

Ian,
 
I used the dimensions from diagram in Octagon Heaven and found it was close 
but not quite correct. I have made a drawing based on two original pieces I 
have and had them waterjet cut where I worked at the time. While not perfect 
regarding the hole pattern a bit of work with a round file and it becomes 
perfectly acceptable. Also due to the nature of castings some additional file work may 
be required where it fits around the bell housing. I tried to make it a close 
fit for my housing but couldn't guarantee it will fit first try. I also left 
a bit of extra material around the bottom and for the "ears" that get bent, to 
allow for a bit of trimming to achieve that "perfect" fit. 
 
My drawing is in AutoCAD but I could print it, scan it and email it to you. I 
actually made an extra one while I was making mine, just in case something 
went wrong with the one. Are you in the US?
 
I will be out of town tomorrow so it will be Sunday before I can get this 
done.
 
Best regards,
 
John Libbert
Milford, OH
J2 3118
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From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca  Sun Jan  4 11:15:09 2009
From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:15:09 -0500
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Year Books
In-Reply-To: <005801c96cee$fc9c2e80$f5d48b80$@com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP455DC84C046F6BE96A024592E00@phx.gbl>

Hi Kevin,
As far as I know, and I think I'm right, following are the dates of issue
for the MMM Yearbooks.

1970 to 1985   Annually
1986/1987
( there was no 1987 issue )
1988/1989
1989 to 2007 Annually.

Early yearbooks, 1970 to 1978 were not quite as fancy as the 1979 and
onwards very professional books. Still good information in them all.

I THINK I have filled my collection as John James will be mailing me 1981,
1983, 1985 and perhaps a copy of 1970.

I do have some duplicates as follows for those in need:
1988/89-1 copy

1989-2 copies

1990-2 copies

1992-2 copies

1994-1 copy.

Best regards, Bob Grunau
J-3017
PA-0531
NA-0686


I have filled my collection of Year Books back to 1973. Can anyone tell me
when they started and a source to fill out the collection if I am missing
any.

Thanks, Kevin
PA 1388
Kevin M. Allocca

From Kellmg at aol.com  Sun Jan  4 17:16:51 2009
From: Kellmg at aol.com (Kellmg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:16:51 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Hand painting "engines".
Message-ID: <bdd.44f15a44.3692ab73@aol.com>

I just felt this needed to be passed around.
 
Wonderful.
 
_http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7674952.stm_ 
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7674952.stm) 
 
_http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7810296.stm_ 
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7810296.stm) 
 
Sorry, not MMM related but I'm sure you won't be  disappointed. 
 
Brian Kelly.
**************New year...new news.  Be the first to know what is making 
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From mgairline35 at aol.com  Sun Jan  4 18:35:41 2009
From: mgairline35 at aol.com (mgairline35 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:35:41 -0500
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Death of John Failla
Message-ID: <8CB3CED0DE18EC5-D8C-1598@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com>

I was informed today of the passing of my friend and fellow mmm car owner John Failla.

John died of a sudden heart attack Saturday night at his home. It was truly a shock to learn of his death.

We enjoyed spending time with him and his wife at numerous MG functions. He will be missed.

We extend our deepest sympathy to his wife Ann and their family.

Sevices will be held at
Larson & Nelson Funeral Home
410 E. Counrtyside Pkwy
Yorkville, IL 60560
630 553 7611

Lou & Tina Louchios

From Boballey747 at aol.com  Mon Jan  5 11:13:32 2009
From: Boballey747 at aol.com (Boballey747 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:13:32 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] NB Shocks
Message-ID: <bbf.41a34e3e.3693a7cc@aol.com>

Anyone out there have a set of rear Luvax shocks they would be willing to  
part with. The resto on my NB is coming along thanks to help from my Australian  
panel beater friend. I hope to have a web site up soon to show the  progress.
Cheers Bob
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From coles at colesnurseries.com  Thu Jan  8 16:35:32 2009
From: coles at colesnurseries.com (Dan and Jenny Fest (Coles Nurseries Inc))
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:35:32 -0500
Subject: [Mg-mmm] custom duty on vintage car parts
Message-ID: <419387FDE58F45159EFB009B69C64314@Fest>

Happy New Year to all !!
I have a quick question... Every once in a while when receiving car parts from
the UK I get a tariff(customs) bill for the shipper.  It's always with UPS
never any other shipping service.  I was under the impression that antique and
vintage car parts were not subject duty.  I usually just pay it but as a
matter of principal, is this correct.  If not, can I get  a link to prove to
them that they are incorrect.
Thanks,
Dan

From garykrukoski at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 16:51:15 2009
From: garykrukoski at yahoo.com (Gary Krukoski)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:51:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mg-mmm] custom duty on vintage car parts
In-Reply-To: <419387FDE58F45159EFB009B69C64314@Fest>
Message-ID: <631671.63794.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Dan
For some reason when I have used UPS or FedEx Air we end up with paying duty here and items sent to the UK. With the post office we have not payed as offer on items shipped or received. I'm not sure why this is.

Gary

--- On Thu, 1/8/09, Dan and Jenny Fest (Coles Nurseries Inc) <coles at colesnurseries.com> wrote:
From: Dan and Jenny Fest (Coles Nurseries Inc) <coles at colesnurseries.com>
Subject: [Mg-mmm] custom duty on vintage car parts
To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 5:35 PM

Happy New Year to all !!
I have a quick question... Every once in a while when receiving car parts from
the UK I get a tariff(customs) bill for the shipper.  It's always with UPS
never any other shipping service.  I was under the impression that antique and
vintage car parts were not subject duty.  I usually just pay it but as a
matter of principal, is this correct.  If not, can I get  a link to prove to
them that they are incorrect.
Thanks,
Dan
Mg-mmm at autox.team.net
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From esane at msn.com  Thu Jan  8 16:54:29 2009
From: esane at msn.com (SANDY SANDERS)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:54:29 -0500
Subject: [Mg-mmm] custom duty on vintage car parts
In-Reply-To: <631671.63794.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <631671.63794.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU108-DS3B03E7A170CCED83568F7B9DC0@phx.gbl>

I have had the sad experience on shipping via UPS from Florida to Canada. UPS
charges a customs fee or brokerage that is nothing but extortion..
Sandy
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gary Krukoski<mailto:garykrukoski at yahoo.com>
  To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net<mailto:mg-mmm at autox.team.net> ; Dan and Jenny Fest
(Coles Nurseries Inc)<mailto:coles at colesnurseries.com>
  Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] custom duty on vintage car parts


  Hi Dan
  For some reason when I have used UPS or FedEx Air we end up with paying duty
here and items sent to the UK. With the post office we have not payed as offer
on items shipped or received. I'm not sure why this is.

  Gary

  --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Dan and Jenny Fest (Coles Nurseries Inc)
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  From: Dan and Jenny Fest (Coles Nurseries Inc)
<coles at colesnurseries.com<mailto:coles at colesnurseries.com>>
  Subject: [Mg-mmm] custom duty on vintage car parts
  To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net<mailto:mg-mmm at autox.team.net>
  Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 5:35 PM

  Happy New Year to all !!
  I have a quick question... Every once in a while when receiving car parts
from
  the UK I get a tariff(customs) bill for the shipper.  It's always with UPS
  never any other shipping service.  I was under the impression that antique
and
  vintage car parts were not subject duty.  I usually just pay it but as a
  matter of principal, is this correct.  If not, can I get  a link to prove
to
  them that they are incorrect.
  Thanks,
  Dan
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From TATERRY at aol.com  Thu Jan  8 17:19:36 2009
From: TATERRY at aol.com (TATERRY at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:19:36 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] custom duty on vintage car parts
Message-ID: <cf3.4bde8e0e.3697f218@aol.com>

Dan, UPS is to be avoided if at all possible....especially to and from 
Canada.  I've never paid duty on parcels delivered by the Postal Service and it is 
very fast from the UK.
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From i.thomson at talk21.com  Fri Jan  9 07:15:05 2009
From: i.thomson at talk21.com (i.thomson at talk21.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:15:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 Fume seal
Message-ID: <753644.75287.qm@web87006.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

My thanks to all who responded to my request for drawings of the lower J2 fume
seal.  I probably have enough now to go on.  You have helped me to get started
again.  It has been so long now that the car could have been on the road by
now if I had kept going.   Now could I ask if anyone has part numbers for the
Wolseley gearbox bearings and if anyone in Uk can supply them.

Thanks
Ian
Thomson

From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com  Fri Jan  9 07:51:57 2009
From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:51:57 -0600
Subject: [Mg-mmm] custom duty on vintage car parts
In-Reply-To: <419387FDE58F45159EFB009B69C64314@Fest>
References: <419387FDE58F45159EFB009B69C64314@Fest>
Message-ID: <340B758BAE9C476F9825ED41B23EC025@roundabout.com>

I have tried many times to get UPS to correct their duty practices - it's
futile. They seem to just make up numbers. Once I ordered a water manifold
for the PB. UPS invoiced me duty for a quantity of 276 manifolds.

My solution is to request that vendors NOT ship to me via UPS and use Royal
Air Mail instead. It sometimes is even faster than UPS and I have never been
charged duty.

Cheers,
Lew Palmer

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Dan and Jenny Fest (Coles Nurseries Inc)
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:36 PM
To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mg-mmm] custom duty on vintage car parts

Happy New Year to all !!
I have a quick question... Every once in a while when receiving car parts
from
the UK I get a tariff(customs) bill for the shipper.  It's always with UPS
never any other shipping service.  I was under the impression that antique
and
vintage car parts were not subject duty.  I usually just pay it but as a
matter of principal, is this correct.  If not, can I get  a link to prove to
them that they are incorrect.
Thanks,
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From wildhorses557 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 10 18:45:08 2009
From: wildhorses557 at yahoo.com (a corwin)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:45:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mg-mmm] MMM Road Springs
Message-ID: <500572.81417.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Is there currently a preferred supplier for road springs? And does anyone have any experience with Jones Springs in the U.K? Thanks, Aidan Corwin PB0530

From garykrukoski at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 16 06:01:44 2009
From: garykrukoski at yahoo.com (Gary Krukoski)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:01:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Fuel Tank straps rubber
Message-ID: <760992.91636.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Was the original rubber that goes between the fuel tank and straps flat rubber the width of the strap? Was is it the same as the T Type with a small raised rib on each side?

Thanks Gary

From c.bucknell at bigpond.com  Fri Jan 16 23:09:35 2009
From: c.bucknell at bigpond.com (Chris Bucknell)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:39:35 +1030
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Fuel Tank straps rubber
In-Reply-To: <760992.91636.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <760992.91636.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002701c9786a$2fe05fb0$3901a8c0@HOMECOMPUTER>

Hi Gary,

On P-Types I believe it was the small raised rib version.

That is what I have on our P-Type and

That is what I can see on original factory photos of P-Type.

Anyone else concur?

Chris

-----Original Message-----
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To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Fuel Tank straps rubber

Was the original rubber that goes between the fuel tank and straps flat
rubber the width of the strap? Was is it the same as the T Type with a small
raised rib on each side?

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From c.bucknell at bigpond.com  Sat Jan 17 00:17:40 2009
From: c.bucknell at bigpond.com (Chris Bucknell)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:47:40 +1030
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Valve Head Sizes confirmed please
Message-ID: <004501c97873$af79d860$3901a8c0@HOMECOMPUTER>

Hi Al,,

 

Can someone please confirm the valve sizes for P,Q,R.

 

I have two measurements for the valve heads:

 

35.7mm diameter

 

30.2mm diameter

 

Need confirmation of which is exhaust and inlet.

 

I am sure this is a silly question but which one is which?

 

Chris

From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca  Sat Jan 17 12:37:10 2009
From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:37:10 -0500
Subject: [Mg-mmm] South Africa Visit
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP61F5679A9E200DFACFFA2092D50@phx.gbl>

My wife Carolyn and I are departing Monday for a 3 week orgainized tour
visit to South Africa. Hope to see some critters in the bush and maybe meet
some T Type people. We will have a few days in Capetown and Johannesburg so
I was wondering if it would be possible to meet some of the South African
members.  Anyone interested please email me.  We will have free days in
Capetown 21 Jan ( leaving to 24 Jan )  and Johannesburg on Sunday 8 Feb.
Thanks,  Bob Grunau,
TC, J2, PA, NA

From viv at trax.co.za  Sun Jan 18 05:34:50 2009
From: viv at trax.co.za (Viv James)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:34:50 +0200
Subject: [Mg-mmm] South Africa Visit
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP61F5679A9E200DFACFFA2092D50@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP61F5679A9E200DFACFFA2092D50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49733E0A.17774.99F72A3@viv.trax.co.za>

Bob,

Phone me when you are in Cape Town.

Office: 021 7125011
Home 021 705 2787
Mobile 082 881 0506.

Would very much like to meet you.

PA engine on bench ready for re-assembly

Best rgds

Viv James

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My wife Carolyn and I are departing Monday for a 3 week orgainized tour
visit to South Africa. Hope to see some critters in the bush and maybe meet
some T Type people. We will have a few days in Capetown and 
Johannesburg so
I was wondering if it would be possible to meet some of the South African
members.  Anyone interested please email me.  We will have free days in
Capetown 21 Jan ( leaving to 24 Jan )  and Johannesburg on Sunday 8 Feb.
Thanks,  Bob Grunau,
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From Kellmg at aol.com  Sun Jan 18 18:02:57 2009
From: Kellmg at aol.com (Kellmg at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:02:57 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Valve Head Sizes confirmed please
Message-ID: <bc6.3948d01c.36a52b41@aol.com>

Chris,
 
I have old valves on the shelf. 
 
Inlet;......... 32.13mm dia.
 
Exhaust;....28.85mm dia.
 
They are from a K-type.
 
A newer set for a  P-type of;
 
31.74 mm dia.
 
28.99 mm dia.
 
They were all the same valves as far as I know.
 
Brian.
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/17/2009 1:08:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
c.bucknell at bigpond.com writes:

Can  someone please confirm the valve sizes for P,Q,R.



I have two  measurements for the valve heads:



35.7mm  diameter



30.2mm diameter



Need confirmation of  which is exhaust and inlet.



I am sure this is a silly question  but which one is which?



Chris




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From DB35PA at aol.com  Mon Jan 19 09:20:50 2009
From: DB35PA at aol.com (DB35PA at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:20:50 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] UPS Charges
Message-ID: <cdc.41cdf6c1.36a60262@aol.com>

Gents.. an additional word of caution when using UPS for International  
shipments.
 
I recently purchased parts from Canada, for shipment to the U.S.. When they  
arrived, (parts value $800), I was told first there was a shipping COD charge 
of  $52+ before the package would be released. When I squawked big time that I 
knew  the shipping was prepaid by your truly... the story changed to a 
"Broker's fee".  I refused the package.
 
Later, when trying to get an explanation as to just what was in the  
"Broker's Fee" a UPS International Shipments Expert explained it was roughly $20  in 
US Taxes which they (UPS) had pre-paid in my behalf. The remaining $30+ were  
additional UPS charges for "Being my personal agent" to get things through  
Customs. I believe this is what the kids call a "Rip off".
 
My suggestion is... when ever possible, avoid UPS International like the  
plague. I will try to avoid them on all my future shipments.
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From ssasky at specialtyseals.com  Mon Jan 19 17:36:16 2009
From: ssasky at specialtyseals.com (Schuyler Hoffman)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:36:16 -0800
Subject: [Mg-mmm] 1932 MG J2 Rear fender support bar
Message-ID: <NIBBIGBEOLDMACONLIKMAEMGEJAA.ssasky@specialtyseals.com>

Help,

Can someone measure the distance from the top of the cockpit tub to the
center of one of the bolts that hold the rear fender support bar across the
back of the car?  My paint & body guy replaced the plywood, and tossed the
original piece, so I don't have the correct location of the bar.  If you
measure from the top down, it'll give me a pretty good idea where it should
go.

Thanks, Sky Hoffman

From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com  Mon Jan 19 21:09:02 2009
From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:09:02 -0600
Subject: [Mg-mmm] UPS Charges
In-Reply-To: <cdc.41cdf6c1.36a60262@aol.com>
References: <cdc.41cdf6c1.36a60262@aol.com>
Message-ID: <911DFCC2D0EC404A9B23C73002DE0446@roundabout.com>

Same story here. Too long a story for all the details, but when I saw that
UPS charged me duty on 276 water manifolds when I only ordered one (and the
shipping documents said as much), and numerous other fictitious charges, I
wrote a nasty letter to which I got no response whatsoever. I have since
avoided using UPS like the plague.

Cheers,
Lew Palmer

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of DB35PA at aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:21 AM
To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mg-mmm] UPS Charges

Gents.. an additional word of caution when using UPS for International  
shipments.
 
I recently purchased parts from Canada, for shipment to the U.S.. When they

arrived, (parts value $800), I was told first there was a shipping COD
charge 
of  $52+ before the package would be released. When I squawked big time that
I 
knew  the shipping was prepaid by your truly... the story changed to a 
"Broker's fee".  I refused the package.
 
Later, when trying to get an explanation as to just what was in the  
"Broker's Fee" a UPS International Shipments Expert explained it was roughly
$20  in 
US Taxes which they (UPS) had pre-paid in my behalf. The remaining $30+ were

additional UPS charges for "Being my personal agent" to get things through  
Customs. I believe this is what the kids call a "Rip off".
 
My suggestion is... when ever possible, avoid UPS International like the  
plague. I will try to avoid them on all my future shipments.
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From garykrukoski at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 08:00:07 2009
From: garykrukoski at yahoo.com (Gary Krukoski)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 07:00:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
In-Reply-To: <911DFCC2D0EC404A9B23C73002DE0446@roundabout.com>
Message-ID: <740282.74026.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi

I'm getting ready to meet with the person that will be doing my interior. I have several questions you might help me with first.
What is the diameter of the Piping that fits between the body and rear cycle fenders?
Piping size around the Dash and door interior panels?
Would any one happen to have a small piece of vinyl and or leather in the current red color that is being used for the interior?
Is there a defined inner pocket on the door or is it just open with the vinyl glued to the outer skin of the door?

Thanks again for your help
Gary

From Boballey747 at aol.com  Wed Jan 21 13:11:13 2009
From: Boballey747 at aol.com (Boballey747 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:11:13 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Alan Hogg
Message-ID: <bcc.449810e4.36a8db61@aol.com>

If anyone out here is close friends with Alan Hogg I'm trying to find out  
the paint codes for his NB. Apparently he doesn't answer emails from the  
colonies.
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From ssasky at specialtyseals.com  Wed Jan 21 14:49:17 2009
From: ssasky at specialtyseals.com (Schuyler Hoffman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:49:17 -0800
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
In-Reply-To: <740282.74026.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NIBBIGBEOLDMACONLIKMGENEEJAA.ssasky@specialtyseals.com>

Gary,

I need the exact same info. for my J2.  Will be interested in the responses.
Thanks for asking 1st!

Sky Hoffman

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Gary Krukoski
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:00 AM
To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed


Hi

I'm getting ready to meet with the person that will be doing my interior. I
have several questions you might help me with first.
What is the diameter of the Piping that fits between the body and rear cycle
fenders?
Piping size around the Dash and door interior panels?
Would any one happen to have a small piece of vinyl and or leather in the
current red color that is being used for the interior?
Is there a defined inner pocket on the door or is it just open with the
vinyl glued to the outer skin of the door?

Thanks again for your help
Gary
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From nowlanc at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 15:40:16 2009
From: nowlanc at comcast.net (Chris Nowlan)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:40:16 -0500
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
References: <NIBBIGBEOLDMACONLIKMGENEEJAA.ssasky@specialtyseals.com>
Message-ID: <078101c97c19$3b7bde50$6401a8c0@cjn>

Gary & Sky,

    Having retrimmed both my L2 and J2 ( which have virtually identical 
interiors) I should be able to help you out.

    The fender piping and the interior piping are all nominally 3/8" in dia. 
( but really a bit less, more like .320")

    The dash piping and the door top piping should be leather ( runs a bit 
thicker at .340") The remaining interior piping and exterior wing piping is 
vinyl. ( seat piping is much smaller dia )

    I had my seats done by Mike Collingburn in the UK and he does an 
absolutely superb job even if he is slow.  He can also supply the extra 
vinyl and both the leather and vinyl piping all made up.  He can also supply 
the door checks which should be in trim color as well as the speedo 
reduction box cover if required ( used on late J2's with Chronometric 
speedo's)

    The interior of the door is simply covered in vinyl but don't forget 
that rubber MG Crests should be centered in the opening before covering.

    I can send you both a tracing of my door panel openings which were 
copied off of Larry's Longs original door panels.

    I can also supply small samples of red leather & vinyl as obtained from 
Mike Collingburn.  I still had some surviving red leather on the original L2 
seats and it was not "antiqued". Having said that, I"ve seen a super 
original PA of Dave Jarvis in the UK and his leather is "antiqued"  I think 
it looks much more appropriate that a solid red color.

    Carpets should be the same color as the interior.  I was never able to 
come up with a documented original pattern but would love to hear some 
details if anyone has a pattern.

Cheers,
Chris Nowlan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schuyler Hoffman" <ssasky at specialtyseals.com>
To: <garykrukoski at yahoo.com>; <mg-mmm at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed


> Gary,
>
> I need the exact same info. for my J2.  Will be interested in the 
> responses.
> Thanks for asking 1st!
>
> Sky Hoffman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Gary Krukoski
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:00 AM
> To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
>
>
> Hi
>
> I'm getting ready to meet with the person that will be doing my interior. 
> I
> have several questions you might help me with first.
> What is the diameter of the Piping that fits between the body and rear 
> cycle
> fenders?
> Piping size around the Dash and door interior panels?
> Would any one happen to have a small piece of vinyl and or leather in the
> current red color that is being used for the interior?
> Is there a defined inner pocket on the door or is it just open with the
> vinyl glued to the outer skin of the door?
>
> Thanks again for your help
> Gary
> Mg-mmm at autox.team.net
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From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com  Wed Jan 21 16:55:47 2009
From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:55:47 -0600
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
In-Reply-To: <078101c97c19$3b7bde50$6401a8c0@cjn>
References: <NIBBIGBEOLDMACONLIKMGENEEJAA.ssasky@specialtyseals.com>
	<078101c97c19$3b7bde50$6401a8c0@cjn>
Message-ID: <9FF0E5BA5B5A40CA921393A5F0294843@roundabout.com>

What Chris said, but a couple of clarifications:

1) The pockets on my J2 are as close as possible to the original. Mine were
taken from both the pattern in the George Jarrard book and some in the UK.
(I restored the J2 while in England). The MG octagon rubber pattern pieces
are set BEHIND trim vinyl which is glued to the inner metal skin of the
door. Quite a job to form the vinyl and still maintain the logo pattern.
Takes some good upholstery glue and a spoon to press the vinyl into the logo
pattern rubber.

2) The early J2s didn't, to the best of my knowledge, use the tach reduction
box, so Gary if you look at mine, you'll see how I routed the tach cable.

3) From the cars I've seen, the carpets are flat to the floor and trimmed in
matching vinyl. Rubber pad sewn in by the driver's heel.

I have sample pieces of leather and vinyl supplied by Mike Collingburn in
all of the standard Triple-M colors, so if anyone locally (Gary) wants to
borrow them to match you're welcome to do so.

Cheers,
Lew Palmer

-----Original Message-----
From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Chris Nowlan
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:40 PM
To: Schuyler Hoffman; garykrukoski at yahoo.com; mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed

Gary & Sky,

    Having retrimmed both my L2 and J2 ( which have virtually identical 
interiors) I should be able to help you out.

    The fender piping and the interior piping are all nominally 3/8" in dia.

( but really a bit less, more like .320")

    The dash piping and the door top piping should be leather ( runs a bit 
thicker at .340") The remaining interior piping and exterior wing piping is 
vinyl. ( seat piping is much smaller dia )

    I had my seats done by Mike Collingburn in the UK and he does an 
absolutely superb job even if he is slow.  He can also supply the extra 
vinyl and both the leather and vinyl piping all made up.  He can also supply

the door checks which should be in trim color as well as the speedo 
reduction box cover if required ( used on late J2's with Chronometric 
speedo's)

    The interior of the door is simply covered in vinyl but don't forget 
that rubber MG Crests should be centered in the opening before covering.

    I can send you both a tracing of my door panel openings which were 
copied off of Larry's Longs original door panels.

    I can also supply small samples of red leather & vinyl as obtained from 
Mike Collingburn.  I still had some surviving red leather on the original L2

seats and it was not "antiqued". Having said that, I"ve seen a super 
original PA of Dave Jarvis in the UK and his leather is "antiqued"  I think 
it looks much more appropriate that a solid red color.

    Carpets should be the same color as the interior.  I was never able to 
come up with a documented original pattern but would love to hear some 
details if anyone has a pattern.

Cheers,
Chris Nowlan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schuyler Hoffman" <ssasky at specialtyseals.com>
To: <garykrukoski at yahoo.com>; <mg-mmm at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed


> Gary,
>
> I need the exact same info. for my J2.  Will be interested in the 
> responses.
> Thanks for asking 1st!
>
> Sky Hoffman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Gary Krukoski
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:00 AM
> To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
>
>
> Hi
>
> I'm getting ready to meet with the person that will be doing my interior. 
> I
> have several questions you might help me with first.
> What is the diameter of the Piping that fits between the body and rear 
> cycle
> fenders?
> Piping size around the Dash and door interior panels?
> Would any one happen to have a small piece of vinyl and or leather in the
> current red color that is being used for the interior?
> Is there a defined inner pocket on the door or is it just open with the
> vinyl glued to the outer skin of the door?
>
> Thanks again for your help
> Gary
> Mg-mmm at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm
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> You are subscribed as ssasky at specialtyseals.com
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From Boballey747 at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 18:17:52 2009
From: Boballey747 at aol.com (Boballey747 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:17:52 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Web Site
Message-ID: <d36.3a803614.36aa74c0@aol.com>

My web site is up and running with some initial info and photos. As  the 
restoration continues I will be adding more info and pictures. The body work  has 
actually been completed and the car assembled to test fit panels and doors.  
When I take the car apart for painting I will take some pictures of the  
completed chassis. If anyone has comments or suggestions just send an  email.
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From Boballey747 at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 18:26:56 2009
From: Boballey747 at aol.com (Boballey747 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:26:56 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Web Site Continued
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Sorry here is the link.
 
_www.mgbob.com_ (http://www.mgbob.com) 
 
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From c.bucknell at bigpond.com  Fri Jan 23 21:01:19 2009
From: c.bucknell at bigpond.com (Chris Bucknell)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:31:19 +1030
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
Message-ID: <000001c97dd8$6b92cac0$3901a8c0@HOMECOMPUTER>

Hi All,

 

I am looking for the consensus on what torque MMM heads should have their
nuts done up to.

 

Also advice on when to tighten.  After 500 miles of running in?  How often
there after?

 

Mainly interested in P-Type supercharged engines but feel free to contribute
for all pre-war for everyone's benefit.

 

Regards,

 

Chris

From Dduncombes at aol.com  Sun Jan 25 06:20:12 2009
From: Dduncombes at aol.com (Dduncombes at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:20:12 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
Message-ID: <c03.22e2df91.36adc10c@aol.com>

Hi Chris
I seem to remember when I torqued up my cylinder head on the P type the  
figure was 35 lbs ft.  If you've got a solid copper gasket check it after  
starting up whilst warm - it won't go up much more thereafter.  A copper  asbestos or 
modern equivalent needs to be progressively tightened over some time  - I 
would not leave it for 500 miles before the first check, more like after its  
been warmed up, then 100 miles then 250 and then 500.  Mind you I wouldn't  use a 
copper asbestos gasket at all!
Regards
Paul Duncombe

From coles at colesnurseries.com  Sun Jan 25 07:07:53 2009
From: coles at colesnurseries.com (Dan and Jenny Fest (Coles Nurseries Inc))
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:07:53 -0500
Subject: [Mg-mmm] GOF East
Message-ID: <B79B370429E34AD89D1F4127261E0F7D@Fest>

Can anyone explain the differences between the two GOF east coming up this
June and September.  Ones in New Hampshire and the others in NY.  I've never
been to one on the east coast but greatly enjoyed Auburn last year.
Thanks,
Dan

From bill707 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 25 10:25:36 2009
From: bill707 at earthlink.net (Bill Tantau)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:25:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
Message-ID: <20794424.1232904336645.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

   Chirs...  my  experience was 35 ftlbs with the solid copper gasket and
   I've never retorqued - runs great (no blower though).
   Bill Tantau

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     From: Dduncombes at aol.com
     Sent: Jan 25, 2009 8:20 AM
     To: c.bucknell at bigpond.com, mg-mmm at autox.team.net
     Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
     Hi Chris
     I seem to remember when I torqued up my cylinder head on the P type
     the
     figure  was 35 lbs ft. If you've got a solid copper gasket check it
     after
     starting  up  whilst  warm - it won't go up much more thereafter. A
     copper asbestos or
     modern  equivalent  needs  to  be progressively tightened over some
     time - I
     would  not leave it for 500 miles before the first check, more like
     after its
     been  warmed  up,  then 100 miles then 250 and then 500. Mind you I
     wouldn't use a
     copper asbestos gasket at all!
     Regards
     Paul Duncombe
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From c.bucknell at bigpond.com  Sun Jan 25 19:29:18 2009
From: c.bucknell at bigpond.com (Chris Bucknell)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:59:18 +1030
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
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Thanks to Bill and Paul,

 

I am running solid copper gaskets so 35 ftlbs it is.

 

Chris

 

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From: Bill Tantau [mailto:bill707 at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2009 3:56 AM
To: Dduncombes at aol.com; c.bucknell at bigpond.com; mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking

 

Chirs... my experience was 35 ftlbs with the solid copper gasket and I've
never retorqued - runs great (no blower though).
Bill Tantau



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To: c.bucknell at bigpond.com, mg-mmm at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking 

Hi Chris
I seem to remember when I torqued up my cylinder head on the P type the 
figure was 35 lbs ft. If you've got a solid copper gasket check it after 
starting up whilst warm - it won't go up much more thereafter. A copper
asbestos or 
modern equivalent needs to be progressively tightened over some time - I 
would not leave it for 500 miles before the first check, more like after its

been warmed up, then 100 miles then 250 and then 500. Mind you I wouldn't
use a 
copper asbestos gasket at all!
Regards
Paul Duncombe
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From Dduncombes at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 04:43:31 2009
From: Dduncombes at aol.com (Dduncombes at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:43:31 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
Message-ID: <cbb.32c43be9.36aefbe3@aol.com>

Hi Chris
I see that you use ft lbs.  For some reason, at least in europe, lbs  ft is 
the norm.  I think ft lbs rolls off the tongue more easily.   Anyone know why 
it was ever changed?
Regards
Paul

From mgtom at zoominternet.net  Mon Jan 26 08:31:54 2009
From: mgtom at zoominternet.net (TOM METCALF)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:31:54 -0500
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
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Hi Paul,

Checking in with FT LBS here from the third world of Uncle Sam.

tommm in COLD & snowy Ohio



Dduncombes at aol.com wrote:
> Hi Chris
> I see that you use ft lbs.  For some reason, at least in europe, lbs  ft is 
> the norm.  I think ft lbs rolls off the tongue more easily.   Anyone know why 
> it was ever changed?
> Regards
> Paul
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From zwart1 at cox.net  Mon Jan 26 14:40:01 2009
From: zwart1 at cox.net (Robert Zwart)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:40:01 -0800
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
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Metric was the European Standard.   We "English" thought "Feets and  
Pounds" was nice so we adapted those kinda measures.  In recent years,  
the Engineering groups in USA tried to switch all measurements to  
metric.  Some changed.   The auto industry tried and did a partial  
job.   It still isn't universal..........
	Bob Zwart,  I worked in industry and had to use both metric and  
English.   I never gave it a second thought.


On Jan 26, 2009, at 7:31 AM, TOM METCALF wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> Checking in with FT LBS here from the third world of Uncle Sam.
>
> tommm in COLD & snowy Ohio
>
>
>
> Dduncombes at aol.com wrote:
>> Hi Chris
>> I see that you use ft lbs.  For some reason, at least in europe,  
>> lbs  ft is the norm.  I think ft lbs rolls off the tongue more  
>> easily.   Anyone know why it was ever changed?
>> Regards
>> Paul
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From Dduncombes at aol.com  Mon Jan 26 15:44:55 2009
From: Dduncombes at aol.com (Dduncombes at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:44:55 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
Message-ID: <d2d.45f0a190.36af96e7@aol.com>

In the UK we refer to Metric or Imperial (not English) and the plural of  
Foot is Feet.  It is interesting to note that while France is supposed to  be all 
metric the French still use British Standard Pipe Taper thread (BSPT) for  
their plumbing.
Paul Duncombe

From lawrie at britcars.com  Mon Jan 26 15:51:35 2009
From: lawrie at britcars.com (Lawrie Alexander)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:51:35 -0800
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
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And it amuses me that, in the UK, petrol is sold by the litre and most cars 
have their speedometers in kph, yet fuel economy is still measured in miles 
per gallon!

Lawrie
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Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking


> In the UK we refer to Metric or Imperial (not English) and the plural of
> Foot is Feet.  It is interesting to note that while France is supposed to 
> be all
> metric the French still use British Standard Pipe Taper thread (BSPT) for
> their plumbing.
> Paul Duncombe
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Jan 26 17:00:47 2009
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:00:47 -0600
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
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can you imagine French designed plumbing with metric coarse pipe thead?  ;-)
Ray

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Cc: <mg-mmm at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking


> And it amuses me that, in the UK, petrol is sold by the litre and most 
> cars have their speedometers in kph, yet fuel economy is still measured in 
> miles per gallon!
>
> Lawrie
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> To: <zwart1 at cox.net>; <mgtom at zoominternet.net>
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> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 2:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
>
>
>> In the UK we refer to Metric or Imperial (not English) and the plural of
>> Foot is Feet.  It is interesting to note that while France is supposed to 
>> be all
>> metric the French still use British Standard Pipe Taper thread (BSPT) for
>> their plumbing.
>> Paul Duncombe
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Jan 26 17:15:13 2009
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:15:13 -0600
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
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	<F525053F-F345-4713-9CF5-14E41DFB2053@cox.net>
Message-ID: <E01374C8D1634D909298AA992F3267B8@yourpd3mh0abgs>

I think "Pounds/Feet" is correct, but "Foot/Pounds" sort of rolls off the 
tongue and sounds "right".
Sort of like how people use "an" when they should say "a".
It just sounds better!
Ray

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Cc: <mg-mmm at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking


> Metric was the European Standard.   We "English" thought "Feets and 
> Pounds" was nice so we adapted those kinda measures.  In recent years, 
> the Engineering groups in USA tried to switch all measurements to  metric. 
> Some changed.   The auto industry tried and did a partial  job.   It still 
> isn't universal..........
> Bob Zwart,  I worked in industry and had to use both metric and  English. 
> I never gave it a second thought.
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2009, at 7:31 AM, TOM METCALF wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> Checking in with FT LBS here from the third world of Uncle Sam.
>>
>> tommm in COLD & snowy Ohio
>>
>>
>>
>> Dduncombes at aol.com wrote:
>>> Hi Chris
>>> I see that you use ft lbs.  For some reason, at least in europe,  lbs 
>>> ft is the norm.  I think ft lbs rolls off the tongue more  easily. 
>>> Anyone know why it was ever changed?
>>> Regards
>>> Paul
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From lists at brits-n-pieces.com  Mon Jan 26 23:41:32 2009
From: lists at brits-n-pieces.com (Brits'n'Pieces (Eric Frenken))
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:41:32 +0100
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
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Writing "Pounds/Feet" or "Foot/Pounds" might give people the wrong
impression of torque being a result of pounds divided by feet or feet
divided by pounds rather than being a multiplication of both dimensions.

Eric
Heinsberg/Germany

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On Behalf Of spook01
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:15 AM
To: Robert Zwart; TOM METCALF
Cc: mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking

I think "Pounds/Feet" is correct, but "Foot/Pounds" sort of rolls off the
tongue and sounds "right".
Sort of like how people use "an" when they should say "a".
It just sounds better!
Ray

From m.g.erhard at gmx.de  Tue Jan 27 10:53:56 2009
From: m.g.erhard at gmx.de (Gerhard Maier)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:53:56 +0100
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Head Stud Torque and Checking
References: <c03.22e2df91.36adc10c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <528B970EFA854C03BFEDAF51D53D4AAE@mg>

Hi,

I too torque up the cylinder head with a figure of 35 lbs ft. 
However when I have a old genuine block, I feel a bit unsafe and stop at 30 lbs ft.

I also noticed another danger - - - -.
When you use a original N-type block, be careful in tightening the
two most forward studs, because obviously on those N-type blocks,
the front was altered on a milling machine, to give space
for the larger AT 174 dynamo, and there is not so much "meat" left,
to anchor the front studs as safely as on the other blocks.

Regards,
Gerhard Maier

From Jorolibb at aol.com  Wed Jan 28 06:13:42 2009
From: Jorolibb at aol.com (Jorolibb at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:13:42 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
Message-ID: <c36.4688c28b.36b1b406@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/21/2009 6:52:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com writes:

What Chris said, but a couple of clarifications:

1) The pockets on my J2 are as close as possible to the original. Mine were
taken from both the pattern in the George Jarrard book and some in the UK.
(I restored the J2 while in England). The MG octagon rubber pattern pieces
are set BEHIND trim vinyl which is glued to the inner metal skin of the
door. Quite a job to form the vinyl and still maintain the logo pattern.
Takes some good upholstery glue and a spoon to press the vinyl into the logo
pattern rubber.

2) The early J2s didn't, to the best of my knowledge, use the tach reduction
box, so Gary if you look at mine, you'll see how I routed the tach cable.

3) From the cars I've seen, the carpets are flat to the floor and trimmed in
matching vinyl. Rubber pad sewn in by the driver's heel.

I have sample pieces of leather and vinyl supplied by Mike Collingburn in
all of the standard Triple-M colors, so if anyone locally (Gary) wants to
borrow them to match you're welcome to do so.

Cheers,
Lew Palmer

Lew,
 
For further clarrification, I would imagine the propshaft tunnel is also 
covered in carpet and is the carpet the same color as the interior or black? Any 
carpet anywhere behind the seat such as the vertical wood panel that the prop 
shaft cover attaches to?
 
Thanks,
 
John Libbert
Milford, OH
J2 3118
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From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com  Wed Jan 28 16:48:35 2009
From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:48:35 -0600
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
In-Reply-To: <c36.4688c28b.36b1b406@aol.com>
References: <c36.4688c28b.36b1b406@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E834C9AE0ABA4C29B9520655EC7E007A@roundabout.com>

John,

 

Since my J2 is black, I didn't worry about it. But I believe all J2s
originally were carpeted in black. The edges of the floor pieces are bound
with the same vinyl used on the rest of the interior.

 

There is no carpeting on any of the vertical wood or on the deck over the
rear axle. The propshaft tunnel is covered, but I don't think the edges were
bound, although I no longer remember why I believe that.

 

Cheers,

Lew

 

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From: Jorolibb at aol.com [mailto:Jorolibb at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:14 AM
To: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com; nowlanc at comcast.net;
ssasky at specialtyseals.com; garykrukoski at yahoo.com; mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed

 

In a message dated 1/21/2009 6:52:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com writes:

What Chris said, but a couple of clarifications:

1) The pockets on my J2 are as close as possible to the original. Mine were
taken from both the pattern in the George Jarrard book and some in the UK.
(I restored the J2 while in England). The MG octagon rubber pattern pieces
are set BEHIND trim vinyl which is glued to the inner metal skin of the
door. Quite a job to form the vinyl and still maintain the logo pattern.
Takes some good upholstery glue and a spoon to press the vinyl into the logo
pattern rubber.

2) The early J2s didn't, to the best of my knowledge, use the tach reduction
box, so Gary if you look at mine, you'll see how I routed the tach cable.

3) From the cars I've seen, the carpets are flat to the floor and trimmed in
matching vinyl. Rubber pad sewn in by the driver's heel.

I have sample pieces of leather and vinyl supplied by Mike Collingburn in
all of the standard Triple-M colors, so if anyone locally (Gary) wants to
borrow them to match you're welcome to do so.

Cheers,
Lew Palmer

Lew,

 

For further clarrification, I would imagine the propshaft tunnel is also
covered in carpet and is the carpet the same color as the interior or black?
Any carpet anywhere behind the seat such as the vertical wood panel that the
prop shaft cover attaches to?

 

Thanks,

 

John Libbert

Milford, OH

J2 3118

 

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From mgtom at zoominternet.net  Wed Jan 28 19:06:51 2009
From: mgtom at zoominternet.net (Tom Metcalf)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
References: <c36.4688c28b.36b1b406@aol.com>
	<E834C9AE0ABA4C29B9520655EC7E007A@roundabout.com>
Message-ID: <18209508D24F4A269A05F436E76C6645@tom>

John,

>From original bits I've seen J2 carpet is not black , but color keyed to the 
interior. The tunnel is covered in jute padded leather -  same leather as 
the seats. This is same as P-Type.

The carpet is basically one piece - or more accurately several pieces 
stitched together to create one large piece, going up & over the gearbox 
with a hole for the remote tower. P-Type carpet, which is black, goes OVER 
the passenger foot slope, while J2 carpet fits under it (I think). The foot 
slope has a grey heel pad, same as the drivers side, and this pad is riveted 
to the foot slope with bifuicated rivets in each corner. I'm not certain if 
this J2 foot slope is covered in PVC, carpet, or neither under the pad.

I have not seen carpet that goes beyond midway under the seat bottoms.

Reed tarwater's duo-red J2 is the culmination of all the latest carpet and 
interior knowledge that we could find. Perhaps we could post fotos on the 
Triple-M website.

that's all I can add.......  tommmmmmmmmm




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From: "Lew Palmer" <lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com>
To: <Jorolibb at aol.com>; <nowlanc at comcast.net>; <ssasky at specialtyseals.com>; 
<garykrukoski at yahoo.com>; <mg-mmm at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed


> John,
>
>
>
> Since my J2 is black, I didn't worry about it. But I believe all J2s
> originally were carpeted in black. The edges of the floor pieces are bound
> with the same vinyl used on the rest of the interior.
>
>
>
> There is no carpeting on any of the vertical wood or on the deck over the
> rear axle. The propshaft tunnel is covered, but I don't think the edges 
> were
> bound, although I no longer remember why I believe that.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: Jorolibb at aol.com [mailto:Jorolibb at aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:14 AM
> To: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com; nowlanc at comcast.net;
> ssasky at specialtyseals.com; garykrukoski at yahoo.com; mg-mmm at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/21/2009 6:52:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com writes:
>
> What Chris said, but a couple of clarifications:
>
> 1) The pockets on my J2 are as close as possible to the original. Mine 
> were
> taken from both the pattern in the George Jarrard book and some in the UK.
> (I restored the J2 while in England). The MG octagon rubber pattern pieces
> are set BEHIND trim vinyl which is glued to the inner metal skin of the
> door. Quite a job to form the vinyl and still maintain the logo pattern.
> Takes some good upholstery glue and a spoon to press the vinyl into the 
> logo
> pattern rubber.
>
> 2) The early J2s didn't, to the best of my knowledge, use the tach 
> reduction
> box, so Gary if you look at mine, you'll see how I routed the tach cable.
>
> 3) From the cars I've seen, the carpets are flat to the floor and trimmed 
> in
> matching vinyl. Rubber pad sewn in by the driver's heel.
>
> I have sample pieces of leather and vinyl supplied by Mike Collingburn in
> all of the standard Triple-M colors, so if anyone locally (Gary) wants to
> borrow them to match you're welcome to do so.
>
> Cheers,
> Lew Palmer
>
> Lew,
>
>
>
> For further clarrification, I would imagine the propshaft tunnel is also
> covered in carpet and is the carpet the same color as the interior or 
> black?
> Any carpet anywhere behind the seat such as the vertical wood panel that 
> the
> prop shaft cover attaches to?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> John Libbert
>
> Milford, OH
>
> J2 3118
>
>
>
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From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com  Wed Jan 28 21:43:43 2009
From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:43:43 -0600
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
In-Reply-To: <18209508D24F4A269A05F436E76C6645@tom>
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" Perhaps we could post fotos on the 
Triple-M website."

Yes, please. I have been thinking about building a knowledge base on
Triple-M cars and this would be another good contribution. My knowledge (or
lack of it) was gathered before there was much knowledge of J2 originality
and was patterned after cars in England at the time.

Cheers,
Lew

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Metcalf [mailto:mgtom at zoominternet.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:07 PM
To: Lew Palmer; Jorolibb at aol.com; nowlanc at comcast.net;
ssasky at specialtyseals.com; garykrukoski at yahoo.com; mg-mmm at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed

John,

>From original bits I've seen J2 carpet is not black , but color keyed to the

interior. The tunnel is covered in jute padded leather -  same leather as 
the seats. This is same as P-Type.

The carpet is basically one piece - or more accurately several pieces 
stitched together to create one large piece, going up & over the gearbox 
with a hole for the remote tower. P-Type carpet, which is black, goes OVER 
the passenger foot slope, while J2 carpet fits under it (I think). The foot 
slope has a grey heel pad, same as the drivers side, and this pad is riveted

to the foot slope with bifuicated rivets in each corner. I'm not certain if 
this J2 foot slope is covered in PVC, carpet, or neither under the pad.

I have not seen carpet that goes beyond midway under the seat bottoms.

Reed tarwater's duo-red J2 is the culmination of all the latest carpet and 
interior knowledge that we could find. Perhaps we could post fotos on the 
Triple-M website.

that's all I can add.......  tommmmmmmmmm




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew Palmer" <lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com>
To: <Jorolibb at aol.com>; <nowlanc at comcast.net>; <ssasky at specialtyseals.com>; 
<garykrukoski at yahoo.com>; <mg-mmm at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed


> John,
>
>
>
> Since my J2 is black, I didn't worry about it. But I believe all J2s
> originally were carpeted in black. The edges of the floor pieces are bound
> with the same vinyl used on the rest of the interior.
>
>
>
> There is no carpeting on any of the vertical wood or on the deck over the
> rear axle. The propshaft tunnel is covered, but I don't think the edges 
> were
> bound, although I no longer remember why I believe that.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: Jorolibb at aol.com [mailto:Jorolibb at aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:14 AM
> To: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com; nowlanc at comcast.net;
> ssasky at specialtyseals.com; garykrukoski at yahoo.com; mg-mmm at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/21/2009 6:52:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com writes:
>
> What Chris said, but a couple of clarifications:
>
> 1) The pockets on my J2 are as close as possible to the original. Mine 
> were
> taken from both the pattern in the George Jarrard book and some in the UK.
> (I restored the J2 while in England). The MG octagon rubber pattern pieces
> are set BEHIND trim vinyl which is glued to the inner metal skin of the
> door. Quite a job to form the vinyl and still maintain the logo pattern.
> Takes some good upholstery glue and a spoon to press the vinyl into the 
> logo
> pattern rubber.
>
> 2) The early J2s didn't, to the best of my knowledge, use the tach 
> reduction
> box, so Gary if you look at mine, you'll see how I routed the tach cable.
>
> 3) From the cars I've seen, the carpets are flat to the floor and trimmed 
> in
> matching vinyl. Rubber pad sewn in by the driver's heel.
>
> I have sample pieces of leather and vinyl supplied by Mike Collingburn in
> all of the standard Triple-M colors, so if anyone locally (Gary) wants to
> borrow them to match you're welcome to do so.
>
> Cheers,
> Lew Palmer
>
> Lew,
>
>
>
> For further clarrification, I would imagine the propshaft tunnel is also
> covered in carpet and is the carpet the same color as the interior or 
> black?
> Any carpet anywhere behind the seat such as the vertical wood panel that 
> the
> prop shaft cover attaches to?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> John Libbert
>
> Milford, OH
>
> J2 3118
>
>
>
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From p.green at mgk3.co.uk  Thu Jan 29 02:32:31 2009
From: p.green at mgk3.co.uk (Peter Green)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:32:31 -0000
Subject: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
References: <c36.4688c28b.36b1b406@aol.com><E834C9AE0ABA4C29B9520655EC7E007A@roundabout.com>
	<18209508D24F4A269A05F436E76C6645@tom>
Message-ID: <E11E2863BD6846F9B1C087E1984D9012@magnette>

Tom and all,

You are more than welcome to post technical pictures (or should I say foto's)
on the Triple-M Registers website.

Peter Green.



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tom Metcalf
  To: Lew Palmer ; Jorolibb at aol.com ; nowlanc at comcast.net ;
ssasky at specialtyseals.com ; garykrukoski at yahoo.com ; mg-mmm at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed


  John,

  >From original bits I've seen J2 carpet is not black , but color keyed to
the
  interior. The tunnel is covered in jute padded leather -  same leather as
  the seats. This is same as P-Type.

  The carpet is basically one piece - or more accurately several pieces
  stitched together to create one large piece, going up & over the gearbox
  with a hole for the remote tower. P-Type carpet, which is black, goes OVER
  the passenger foot slope, while J2 carpet fits under it (I think). The foot
  slope has a grey heel pad, same as the drivers side, and this pad is riveted
  to the foot slope with bifuicated rivets in each corner. I'm not certain if
  this J2 foot slope is covered in PVC, carpet, or neither under the pad.

  I have not seen carpet that goes beyond midway under the seat bottoms.

  Reed tarwater's duo-red J2 is the culmination of all the latest carpet and
  interior knowledge that we could find. Perhaps we could post fotos on the
  Triple-M website.

  that's all I can add.......  tommmmmmmmmm




  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Lew Palmer" <lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com>
  To: <Jorolibb at aol.com>; <nowlanc at comcast.net>; <ssasky at specialtyseals.com>;
  <garykrukoski at yahoo.com>; <mg-mmm at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed


  > John,
  >
  >
  >
  > Since my J2 is black, I didn't worry about it. But I believe all J2s
  > originally were carpeted in black. The edges of the floor pieces are
bound
  > with the same vinyl used on the rest of the interior.
  >
  >
  >
  > There is no carpeting on any of the vertical wood or on the deck over the
  > rear axle. The propshaft tunnel is covered, but I don't think the edges
  > were
  > bound, although I no longer remember why I believe that.
  >
  >
  >
  > Cheers,
  >
  > Lew
  >
  >
  >
  >  _____
  >
  > From: Jorolibb at aol.com [mailto:Jorolibb at aol.com]
  > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:14 AM
  > To: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com; nowlanc at comcast.net;
  > ssasky at specialtyseals.com; garykrukoski at yahoo.com; mg-mmm at autox.team.net
  > Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Interior For J2 Info Needed
  >
  >
  >
  > In a message dated 1/21/2009 6:52:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
  > lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com writes:
  >
  > What Chris said, but a couple of clarifications:
  >
  > 1) The pockets on my J2 are as close as possible to the original. Mine
  > were
  > taken from both the pattern in the George Jarrard book and some in the
UK.
  > (I restored the J2 while in England). The MG octagon rubber pattern
pieces
  > are set BEHIND trim vinyl which is glued to the inner metal skin of the
  > door. Quite a job to form the vinyl and still maintain the logo pattern.
  > Takes some good upholstery glue and a spoon to press the vinyl into the
  > logo
  > pattern rubber.
  >
  > 2) The early J2s didn't, to the best of my knowledge, use the tach
  > reduction
  > box, so Gary if you look at mine, you'll see how I routed the tach cable.
  >
  > 3) From the cars I've seen, the carpets are flat to the floor and trimmed
  > in
  > matching vinyl. Rubber pad sewn in by the driver's heel.
  >
  > I have sample pieces of leather and vinyl supplied by Mike Collingburn in
  > all of the standard Triple-M colors, so if anyone locally (Gary) wants to
  > borrow them to match you're welcome to do so.
  >
  > Cheers,
  > Lew Palmer
  >
  > Lew,
  >
  >
  >
  > For further clarrification, I would imagine the propshaft tunnel is also
  > covered in carpet and is the carpet the same color as the interior or
  > black?
  > Any carpet anywhere behind the seat such as the vertical wood panel that
  > the
  > prop shaft cover attaches to?
  >
  >
  >
  > Thanks,
  >
  >
  >
  > John Libbert
  >
  > Milford, OH
  >
  > J2 3118
  >
  >
  >
  >  _____
  >
  > Know Your Numbers: Get tips
  >
<http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002>
  > and tools to help you improve your credit score.
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From DB35PA at aol.com  Fri Jan 30 13:39:13 2009
From: DB35PA at aol.com (DB35PA at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:39:13 EST
Subject: [Mg-mmm] quick question on rear dif
Message-ID: <bdb.3b6941ec.36b4bf71@aol.com>

I've been warned by several, not to over-fill the rear dif of my PA. I  
question the dip stick as it appears to have been "home made" and I'm not sure  it 
is correct.
 
Using my Wakefield Lubrication Wall Chart... it says CASTROL Swanshot(?)  
Gear oil... "One and a half pints of oil will be required for complete  
replenishment after draining". 
Is this my answer, or is it part of the problem?
 
In cups, Ozs., pints or some unit of measure, starting from a completely  
drained unit... how much is enough... but not too much?
 
Thanks 
Don B.
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From mgtom at zoominternet.net  Fri Jan 30 13:55:00 2009
From: mgtom at zoominternet.net (TOM METCALF)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:55:00 -0500
Subject: [Mg-mmm] quick question on rear dif
In-Reply-To: <bdb.3b6941ec.36b4bf71@aol.com>
References: <bdb.3b6941ec.36b4bf71@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49836924.7040206@zoominternet.net>

Don,

1 UK pink = 19.215 US fluid ounces. That would be about 29 US ounces to 
feed it. Too much oil will eventually find its way into the brakes.

Also, I can give you the dimensions off an original dip stick, plus Rich 
Hardy has new diff sticks available. Spot on.

thx  tommmmmmmm

DB35PA at aol.com wrote:
> I've been warned by several, not to over-fill the rear dif of my PA. I  
> question the dip stick as it appears to have been "home made" and I'm not sure  it 
> is correct.
>  
> Using my Wakefield Lubrication Wall Chart... it says CASTROL Swanshot(?)  
> Gear oil... "One and a half pints of oil will be required for complete  
> replenishment after draining". 
> Is this my answer, or is it part of the problem?
>  
> In cups, Ozs., pints or some unit of measure, starting from a completely  
> drained unit... how much is enough... but not too much?
>  
> Thanks 
> Don B.
> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
> steps! 
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