From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Mon Apr 6 09:58:31 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:58:31 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil filter Message-ID: Hi J2 Owners, Some of you might be interested in a J2 oil filter installation. I have what I think is a really neat and easy solution. It looks right without a lot of extra external plumbing. Basically the J2 filter adapter replaces the original flat 1/8" steel oil pump cover, the adapter simply bolts onto the pump and accepts a modern screw-on oil filter. The only permanent revision require to the original J2 engine is to enlarge the oil connection at the lower right side of the dynamo gear case to 1/4" NPT or 1/4" BSP instead of 1/8" BSP. This connection originally fed oil to the cylinder head. Filtered oil leaves the adapter and supplys oil to this 1/4" fitting through a new external 3/8" oil line. Feed to the overhead valve gear is direct off the oil filter adapter through a 1/8" NPT fitting. The oil pump original supply feed is plugged to stop oil feed to the main oil gallery through the internal oil wayt in the front gear cover. If anyone is interested I can supply more details and photos of the oil filter adapter for the J2. Of course, the same adapter will also fit an M Type and F Type and possibly other MMM cars. I have a few adapters for sale. Best regards, Bob Grunau From zwart1 at cox.net Tue Apr 7 15:00:18 2009 From: zwart1 at cox.net (Robert Zwart) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:00:18 -0700 Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You mean I'll have to abandon my MICRO(the one with quarter inch holes due to corrosion that resides, or should I say sags in my crankcase) filter I now have? I won't have to change oil as often, then. I have a sad feeling whenever we alter the looks, both technically and artistically, of our original vintage cars to make them last longer. but I'm sure it is more and more necessary as time moves on. Some 'do goody' Concours 'Inspecty' will look and say, Oh! Oh! that's a 1/8th fitting where it isn't supposed to be. BOB Z On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Bob Grunau wrote: > Hi J2 Owners, > Some of you might be interested in a J2 oil filter installation. I > have what > I think is a really neat and easy solution. It looks right without a > lot of > extra external plumbing. Basically the J2 filter adapter replaces the > original flat 1/8" steel oil pump cover, the adapter simply bolts > onto the > pump and accepts a modern screw-on oil filter. The only permanent > revision > require to the original J2 engine is to enlarge the oil connection > at the > lower right side of the dynamo gear case to 1/4" NPT or 1/4" BSP > instead of > 1/8" BSP. This connection originally fed oil to the cylinder head. > Filtered > oil leaves the adapter and supplys oil to this 1/4" fitting through > a new > external 3/8" oil line. Feed to the overhead valve gear is direct > off the > oil filter adapter through a 1/8" NPT fitting. The oil pump original > supply > feed is plugged to stop oil feed to the main oil gallery through the > internal oil wayt in the front gear cover. > > If anyone is interested I can supply more details and photos of the > oil > filter adapter for the J2. > > Of course, the same adapter will also fit an M Type and F Type and > possibly > other MMM cars. > I have a few adapters for sale. > Best regards, > Bob Grunau > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as zwart1 at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Tue Apr 7 17:20:47 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:20:47 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil filter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Howdy Bob, Yes the old wire mesh would be redundant. And CLEAN oil reaching the bearings. I think it is OK to make the engines last longer by suppling filtered oil. Shoot, would you drink a beer with sand in it?? As for the concours guys, hmmmmm. how many of us have 100 point cars?? We like to DRIVE 'em. So what does it matter that the 1/8" BSP connection has been changed to a 1/4" NPT?? What address should I send the oil filter adapter to ?? :-) Now if spring would ever arrive here in Ontario, I might get the PA out. J2 now has starter filtered oil pressure, so maybe an engine start soon and that will encourage further work on the car. Best regards, Bob Grunau -----Original Message----- From: Robert Zwart [mailto:zwart1 at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:00 PM To: Bob Grunau Cc: MG-MMM Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil filter You mean I'll have to abandon my MICRO(the one with quarter inch holes due to corrosion that resides, or should I say sags in my crankcase) filter I now have? I won't have to change oil as often, then. I have a sad feeling whenever we alter the looks, both technically and artistically, of our original vintage cars to make them last longer. but I'm sure it is more and more necessary as time moves on. Some 'do goody' Concours 'Inspecty' will look and say, Oh! Oh! that's a 1/8th fitting where it isn't supposed to be. BOB Z On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Bob Grunau wrote: > Hi J2 Owners, > Some of you might be interested in a J2 oil filter installation. I > have what > I think is a really neat and easy solution. It looks right without a > lot of > extra external plumbing. Basically the J2 filter adapter replaces the > original flat 1/8" steel oil pump cover, the adapter simply bolts > onto the > pump and accepts a modern screw-on oil filter. The only permanent > revision > require to the original J2 engine is to enlarge the oil connection > at the > lower right side of the dynamo gear case to 1/4" NPT or 1/4" BSP > instead of > 1/8" BSP. This connection originally fed oil to the cylinder head. > Filtered > oil leaves the adapter and supplys oil to this 1/4" fitting through > a new > external 3/8" oil line. Feed to the overhead valve gear is direct > off the > oil filter adapter through a 1/8" NPT fitting. The oil pump original > supply > feed is plugged to stop oil feed to the main oil gallery through the > internal oil wayt in the front gear cover. > > If anyone is interested I can supply more details and photos of the > oil > filter adapter for the J2. > > Of course, the same adapter will also fit an M Type and F Type and > possibly > other MMM cars. > I have a few adapters for sale. > Best regards, > Bob Grunau > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as zwart1 at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From hiro at octagongarage.com Wed Apr 8 07:32:19 2009 From: hiro at octagongarage.com (Hiro Nishio) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 22:32:19 +0900 Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003101c9b84e$71876bb0$54964310$@com> Hi Bob, Without modern oil filtering system, you will be surprised to see how much of dirt, sludge or something like gummy things in your oil sump, and more in the crankshaft oil line. It is not healthy at all, like arteriosclerosis. So whenever I rebuild the old J2 engine, I can't help but fit a modern oil filter - sometimes J4 style, but recently I prefer the one Bob Grunau mentions. I used to buy nicely machined alloy ones from Barry Dean, but now Mike Dawley supplies cast alloy ones. It is very easy to fit as Bob Grunau says. Good luck, Hiro -----Original Message----- From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Grunau Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:21 AM To: Robert Zwart Cc: MG-MMM Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil filter Howdy Bob, Yes the old wire mesh would be redundant. And CLEAN oil reaching the bearings. I think it is OK to make the engines last longer by suppling filtered oil. Shoot, would you drink a beer with sand in it?? As for the concours guys, hmmmmm. how many of us have 100 point cars?? We like to DRIVE 'em. So what does it matter that the 1/8" BSP connection has been changed to a 1/4" NPT?? What address should I send the oil filter adapter to ?? :-) Now if spring would ever arrive here in Ontario, I might get the PA out. J2 now has starter filtered oil pressure, so maybe an engine start soon and that will encourage further work on the car. Best regards, Bob Grunau -----Original Message----- From: Robert Zwart [mailto:zwart1 at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:00 PM To: Bob Grunau Cc: MG-MMM Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil filter You mean I'll have to abandon my MICRO(the one with quarter inch holes due to corrosion that resides, or should I say sags in my crankcase) filter I now have? I won't have to change oil as often, then. I have a sad feeling whenever we alter the looks, both technically and artistically, of our original vintage cars to make them last longer. but I'm sure it is more and more necessary as time moves on. Some 'do goody' Concours 'Inspecty' will look and say, Oh! Oh! that's a 1/8th fitting where it isn't supposed to be. BOB Z On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Bob Grunau wrote: > Hi J2 Owners, > Some of you might be interested in a J2 oil filter installation. I > have what > I think is a really neat and easy solution. It looks right without a > lot of > extra external plumbing. Basically the J2 filter adapter replaces the > original flat 1/8" steel oil pump cover, the adapter simply bolts > onto the > pump and accepts a modern screw-on oil filter. The only permanent > revision > require to the original J2 engine is to enlarge the oil connection > at the > lower right side of the dynamo gear case to 1/4" NPT or 1/4" BSP > instead of > 1/8" BSP. This connection originally fed oil to the cylinder head. > Filtered > oil leaves the adapter and supplys oil to this 1/4" fitting through > a new > external 3/8" oil line. Feed to the overhead valve gear is direct > off the > oil filter adapter through a 1/8" NPT fitting. The oil pump original > supply > feed is plugged to stop oil feed to the main oil gallery through the > internal oil wayt in the front gear cover. > > If anyone is interested I can supply more details and photos of the > oil > filter adapter for the J2. > > Of course, the same adapter will also fit an M Type and F Type and > possibly > other MMM cars. > I have a few adapters for sale. > Best regards, > Bob Grunau > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as zwart1 at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as hiro at octagongarage.com http://www.team.net/archive From zwart1 at cox.net Wed Apr 8 10:37:20 2009 From: zwart1 at cox.net (Robert Zwart) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:37:20 -0700 Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil filter In-Reply-To: <003101c9b84e$71876bb0$54964310$@com> References: <003101c9b84e$71876bb0$54964310$@com> Message-ID: OK! OK! I Give up. I change oil every 150 miles, as the M Type will only run 500 feet at a time. I must get it running again for SPRING Summer. It will require a carb scrubout and that long fuel line from the tank to the carb. I WILL INSTALL A FUEL FILTER, but I want to make it look original, as my car has heritage. THANKS TO ALL WHO HELPED............ BOB Z On Apr 8, 2009, at 6:32 AM, Hiro Nishio wrote: > Hi Bob, > > Without modern oil filtering system, you will be surprised to see > how much > of dirt, sludge > or something like gummy things in your oil sump, and more in the > crankshaft > oil line. > It is not healthy at all, like arteriosclerosis. So whenever I > rebuild the > old J2 engine, > I can't help but fit a modern oil filter - sometimes J4 style, but > recently > I prefer the one > Bob Grunau mentions. I used to buy nicely machined alloy ones from > Barry > Dean, but now Mike > Dawley supplies cast alloy ones. It is very easy to fit as Bob > Grunau says. > > Good luck, > Hiro > > -----Original Message----- > From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net > ] > On Behalf Of Bob Grunau > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:21 AM > To: Robert Zwart > Cc: MG-MMM > Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil filter > > Howdy Bob, > Yes the old wire mesh would be redundant. And CLEAN oil reaching the > bearings. I think it is OK to make the engines last longer by suppling > filtered oil. Shoot, would you drink a beer with sand in it?? > As for the concours guys, hmmmmm. how many of us have 100 point > cars?? We > like to DRIVE 'em. So what does it matter that the 1/8" BSP > connection has > been changed to a 1/4" NPT?? > > What address should I send the oil filter adapter to ?? :-) > > Now if spring would ever arrive here in Ontario, I might get the PA > out. > > J2 now has starter filtered oil pressure, so maybe an engine start > soon and > that will encourage further work on the car. > Best regards, Bob Grunau > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Zwart [mailto:zwart1 at cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 5:00 PM > To: Bob Grunau > Cc: MG-MMM > Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] J2 oil filter > > > You mean I'll have to abandon my MICRO(the one with quarter inch > holes due to corrosion that resides, or should I say sags in my > crankcase) filter I now have? I won't have to change oil as often, > then. I have a sad feeling whenever we alter the looks, both > technically and artistically, of our original vintage cars to make > them last longer. but I'm sure it is more and more necessary as time > moves on. Some 'do goody' Concours 'Inspecty' will look and say, Oh! > Oh! that's a 1/8th fitting where it isn't supposed to be. > BOB Z > On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Bob Grunau wrote: > >> Hi J2 Owners, >> Some of you might be interested in a J2 oil filter installation. I >> have what >> I think is a really neat and easy solution. It looks right without a >> lot of >> extra external plumbing. Basically the J2 filter adapter replaces the >> original flat 1/8" steel oil pump cover, the adapter simply bolts >> onto the >> pump and accepts a modern screw-on oil filter. The only permanent >> revision >> require to the original J2 engine is to enlarge the oil connection >> at the >> lower right side of the dynamo gear case to 1/4" NPT or 1/4" BSP >> instead of >> 1/8" BSP. This connection originally fed oil to the cylinder head. >> Filtered >> oil leaves the adapter and supplys oil to this 1/4" fitting through >> a new >> external 3/8" oil line. Feed to the overhead valve gear is direct >> off the >> oil filter adapter through a 1/8" NPT fitting. The oil pump original >> supply >> feed is plugged to stop oil feed to the main oil gallery through the >> internal oil wayt in the front gear cover. >> >> If anyone is interested I can supply more details and photos of the >> oil >> filter adapter for the J2. >> >> Of course, the same adapter will also fit an M Type and F Type and >> possibly >> other MMM cars. >> I have a few adapters for sale. >> Best regards, >> Bob Grunau >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Mg-mmm at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm >> >> You are subscribed as zwart1 at cox.net >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as hiro at octagongarage.com > > http://www.team.net/archive From kevin at sellingrichmond.com Wed Apr 8 14:36:34 2009 From: kevin at sellingrichmond.com (Kevin Allocca) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:36:34 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Radiators Message-ID: <013c01c9b889$b5c75660$21560320$@com> Gents, I want to have an Aluminum Radiator made. Can anyone suggest a good vendor in the USA? Best regards, Kevin PA 1388 Kevin M. Allocca Broker/Owner ND logo Neumann & Dunn Real Estate & Development LLC 2044 John Rolfe Parkway Richmond, VA 23238 804-754-1835- Work 804-750-1836- Fax 804-909-5751- Cell Kevin at SellingRichmond.com WWW.SellingRichmond.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image003.jpg] From Boballey747 at aol.com Thu Apr 9 15:59:06 2009 From: Boballey747 at aol.com (Boballey747 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:59:06 EDT Subject: [Mg-mmm] Top Bows Message-ID: I have and extra set of top bows for an NA for sale . If interested contact me. Cheers Bob **************New Deals on Dell Netbooks b Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635155x1201407495/aol?redir= http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771973%3B35379628%3Bw) From jay at ukhistoric.com Sun Apr 12 08:35:42 2009 From: jay at ukhistoric.com (jay at ukhistoric.com) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mg-mmm] P-Type Dynamo. Message-ID: Hi all! Working on solving a dynamo problem on a P-type, PB engine. Unit does not seem to be charging. I removed the dynamo from the engine and found that due to oil and grime build-up, the brushes were frozen in the holders. While removing the small third-brush, I managed to break it. So, a few questions: 1) Is there a US source for a set of brushes? Any generic part numbers I could even give to my local rebuild shop? 2) Should the unit be dismantled to clean? Remove the crank gear? Any other tricks to opening the unit? Or just leave alone and clean the brush holders as best as possible? 3) Can the third brush be adjusted on the bench? I needed to move it to remove the brush but marked the original position. Or just follow the adjustment procedure once back on the car? Thanks! Jason. P1237. From c.bucknell at bigpond.com Sun Apr 12 19:00:14 2009 From: c.bucknell at bigpond.com (Chris Bucknell) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:30:14 +0930 Subject: [Mg-mmm] P-Type Dynamo. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99F690B609974224ADB3856CBC427B5D@HOMECOMPUTER> HI Jason, Bear in mind that I prefer to do most of my own work BUT I feel this one falls into the specialist help required category. I just went through a similar exercise on this with our P and I know the auto electrician had to speak to his Dad about it and they hand filed some larger brushes to fit. If it is out get the whole thing taken apart and check bearings. At the same time check the various modifications cylinder head seal to prevent oil leaks in future. Definitely need to adjust on bench tester before going back into car. I have got a few docs on generators if you need. Chris -----Original Message----- From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jay at ukhistoric.com Sent: Monday, 13 April 2009 12:06 AM To: Mg-mmm at autox.team.net Subject: [Mg-mmm] P-Type Dynamo. Hi all! Working on solving a dynamo problem on a P-type, PB engine. Unit does not seem to be charging. I removed the dynamo from the engine and found that due to oil and grime build-up, the brushes were frozen in the holders. While removing the small third-brush, I managed to break it. So, a few questions: 1) Is there a US source for a set of brushes? Any generic part numbers I could even give to my local rebuild shop? 2) Should the unit be dismantled to clean? Remove the crank gear? Any other tricks to opening the unit? Or just leave alone and clean the brush holders as best as possible? 3) Can the third brush be adjusted on the bench? I needed to move it to remove the brush but marked the original position. Or just follow the adjustment procedure once back on the car? Thanks! Jason. P1237. Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as c.bucknell at bigpond.com http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2055 - Release Date: 04/12/09 13:14:00 From TATERRY at aol.com Fri Apr 17 11:39:00 2009 From: TATERRY at aol.com (TATERRY at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:39:00 EDT Subject: [Mg-mmm] Water in the sump Message-ID: Folks, I sent out this plea to a couple of N type owners, but I thought I try the list to see if there is more suggestions....one is that its the water pump seal that is leaking....I will investigate, but what would you suggest as a way forward? I decided to roll out the NA this morning to see if it still runs....before I started it up, I decided to check the oil and water...oil started oouzing up out of the dip stick hole....thats odd, I thought! Then check the water, all gone.....so with my sucker thing that I use to change oil on the boat, I pullled a good 5 quarts of water out of the sump. Then did the sucker thing on the spark plug holes....nothing there. So the question is, how did the water get into the sump? Ideas? Has the old block cracked again and if so, how do you check for that?? What else should I check before pulling the head? Terry

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Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com Fri Apr 17 12:42:52 2009 From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:42:52 -0500 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Water in the sump In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64215C07D7B84360B53A3D48FF5D50E1@roundabout.com> Was that block bored and sleeved? Did the boring enter the water jacket? I have a block that was (before I owned it) overbored and sleeved, but the sleeves were not properly sealed. When the radiator was filled, it was easy to tell when the radiator was full -- the excess came out the crankcase vent. Cheers, Lew -----Original Message----- From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TATERRY at aol.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:39 PM To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net Cc: MMMGservice at aol.com Subject: [Mg-mmm] Water in the sump Folks, I sent out this plea to a couple of N type owners, but I thought I try the list to see if there is more suggestions....one is that its the water pump seal that is leaking....I will investigate, but what would you suggest as a way forward? I decided to roll out the NA this morning to see if it still runs....before I started it up, I decided to check the oil and water...oil started oouzing up out of the dip stick hole....thats odd, I thought! Then check the water, all gone.....so with my sucker thing that I use to change oil on the boat, I pullled a good 5 quarts of water out of the sump. Then did the sucker thing on the spark plug holes....nothing there. So the question is, how did the water get into the sump? Ideas? Has the old block cracked again and if so, how do you check for that?? What else should I check before pulling the head? Terry

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Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com http://www.team.net/archive From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Fri Apr 17 13:05:21 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:05:21 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Water in the sump In-Reply-To: <64215C07D7B84360B53A3D48FF5D50E1@roundabout.com> Message-ID: I too am familiar with the unfortunate water in oil problem on NA-0686. The previous owner had the engine rebuilt at great expense. The original block had been frost damaged way back in the UK and then repair welded. Who knows how well the weld was done. Then the engine had a VERY expensive rebuild by an infamous big high dollar shop in Mass. They bored the block so essentially there was no original block wall left in the cylinders ( I have photos to prove this ). Then installed sleeves. Sleeves leaked water into the oil almost immediately around the lower joint to block face. A Mickey Mouse attempt was made to seal off the leaking sleeves using some gook ( JB Weld ? ) slathered on the underside of the block in the sleeve area. Not successful. I bought the car knowing it needed serious block and engine work. I immediately decided to buy a new reproduction block from the UK and it was delivered yesterday. Block is all drilled and tapped and looks good. Now all we have to do is install all the parts into the new block. I also, decided having gone this far, to buy a new Phoenix crankshaft looks really good. The original crank had been used in the expensive bad rebuild. I would pressure test the water system and see where the water is leaking. If the sleeves are leaking, or the block was repair welded, maybe time for a new block. It is possible for the water pump seal to allow water to leak into the sump. Hopefully that is your problem. I would pull the sump before pulling the head. Then pressurize the cooling system and look for leaks around the cylinder bores or sleeves. Good luck, Bob Grunau NA-0686 with engine removed. -----Original Message----- From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Lew Palmer Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 2:43 PM To: TATERRY at aol.com; mg-mmm at autox.team.net Cc: MMMGservice at aol.com Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Water in the sump Was that block bored and sleeved? Did the boring enter the water jacket? I have a block that was (before I owned it) overbored and sleeved, but the sleeves were not properly sealed. When the radiator was filled, it was easy to tell when the radiator was full -- the excess came out the crankcase vent. Cheers, Lew -----Original Message----- From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TATERRY at aol.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 12:39 PM To: mg-mmm at autox.team.net Cc: MMMGservice at aol.com Subject: [Mg-mmm] Water in the sump Folks, I sent out this plea to a couple of N type owners, but I thought I try the list to see if there is more suggestions....one is that its the water pump seal that is leaking....I will investigate, but what would you suggest as a way forward? I decided to roll out the NA this morning to see if it still runs....before I started it up, I decided to check the oil and water...oil started oouzing up out of the dip stick hole....thats odd, I thought! Then check the water, all gone.....so with my sucker thing that I use to change oil on the boat, I pullled a good 5 quarts of water out of the sump. Then did the sucker thing on the spark plug holes....nothing there. So the question is, how did the water get into the sump? Ideas? Has the old block cracked again and if so, how do you check for that?? What else should I check before pulling the head? Terry

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Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com http://www.team.net/archive Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as grunau.garage at sympatico.ca http://www.team.net/archive From TATERRY at aol.com Fri Apr 17 15:24:11 2009 From: TATERRY at aol.com (TATERRY at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:24:11 EDT Subject: [Mg-mmm] Water in the sump Message-ID: In a message dated 4/17/2009 11:59:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, grunau.garage at sympatico.ca writes: > I would pressure test the water system and see where the water is leaking. > If the sleeves are leaking, or the block was repair welded, maybe time for > a > new block. > > It is possible for the water pump seal to allow water to leak into the > sump. > Hopefully that is your problem. > > I would pull the sump before pulling the head. Then pressurize the cooling > system and look for leaks around the cylinder bores or sleeves. > Thanks to all who replied so far....yes this block has been sleeved back to standard, but by a very competent engine builder sadly now passed away. It also had 17 inches of stiching done on the water jacket but I don't think a failure there would do anything to leak into the sump.....I'm hopeful that it is the water pump as I had it overhauled in Oz some years ago and it was very corroded for starters....How do I pressurize the cooling system as suggested my Mr. Grunau? Terry


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Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Fri Apr 17 17:14:32 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:14:32 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Water in the sump In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tighten the rad cap, hook a small hose onto the overflow tube and blow into the overflow. How? I would use a controlled air pressure regulator and not go over about 5 psi. Bob Grunau -----Original Message----- From: TATERRY at aol.com [mailto:TATERRY at aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:24 PM To: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca; lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com; mg-mmm at autox.team.net Cc: MMMGservice at aol.com Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] Water in the sump In a message dated 4/17/2009 11:59:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, grunau.garage at sympatico.ca writes: I would pressure test the water system and see where the water is leaking. If the sleeves are leaking, or the block was repair welded, maybe time for a new block. It is possible for the water pump seal to allow water to leak into the sump. Hopefully that is your problem. I would pull the sump before pulling the head. Then pressurize the cooling system and look for leaks around the cylinder bores or sleeves. Thanks to all who replied so far....yes this block has been sleeved back to standard, but by a very competent engine builder sadly now passed away. It also had 17 inches of stiching done on the water jacket but I don't think a failure there would do anything to leak into the sump.....I'm hopeful that it is the water pump as I had it overhauled in Oz some years ago and it was very corroded for starters....How do I pressurize the cooling system as suggested my Mr. Grunau? Terry ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From nowlanc at comcast.net Sat Apr 18 14:37:22 2009 From: nowlanc at comcast.net (Chris Nowlan) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:37:22 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 parts needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090418213624.21AB418766B@autox.team.net> Guys, I'm trying to help a 90 year old gentleman finish up the restoration of a J2 he has owned since 1949! He started the restoration in 1953 and is nearly finished. I know that if he had just started a year earlier he would be finished by now but he really hopes to be able to get it to GoF in Concord NH in June but needs a pair of original dashpot pistons or a complete matched set of dashpots & pistons. Anyone out there have a good set they are willing to part with??? Cheers, Chris Nowlan From Boballey747 at aol.com Tue Apr 21 16:29:12 2009 From: Boballey747 at aol.com (Boballey747 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:29:12 EDT Subject: [Mg-mmm] NA gas tank Message-ID: I have an extra NA gas tank for sale if anyone is interested. Bob **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) From magnut_dan at hotmail.com Wed Apr 22 10:00:43 2009 From: magnut_dan at hotmail.com (Daniel Shockey) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:00:43 +0000 Subject: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale Message-ID: Hello, I noticed that the very nice picture puzzle by James Dietz (former owner of Bill Tantau's PA, I think) of a TA with an RAF scene is on sale from one of the aviation catalogs. The price of shipping is high for just one puzzle but you could order for some friends, too. Details: Historic Aviation, 800-225-5575, item # 65505N, "To The Victor", "At the wheel of her MG TB, a Woman's Royal Auxilliary officer visits her fiance, one of the Battle of Britain's "few," who has just returned from another successful mission." The sale price is $5.95. (Regular price $14.95) Shipping cost of up to $50 is $7.95. There are several other aviation puzzles also on sale at $5.95. www.HistoricAviation.com When I ordered, I asked if they had many on hand and they said they did. (I think it possible that they actually don't have them on hand but get them just-in-time from their vendor.) I have assembled the puzzle and it is very nice, and I have purchased items from this firm before. I have no financial interest. Best regards, Dan Shockey PA2108 _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail.: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Stor age2_042009 From bill707 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 22 10:16:54 2009 From: bill707 at earthlink.net (Bill Tantau) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:16:54 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale Message-ID: <7897603.1240417014373.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Righto Dan... that's my man Dietz doing what he does best - vintage aviation with a human interest twist. Bill -----Original Message----- >From: Daniel Shockey >Sent: Apr 22, 2009 9:00 AM >To: MMM List , Allan Chalmers , Bill Tantau >Subject: MG TA Puzzle on Sale > > >Hello, > >I noticed that the very nice picture puzzle by James Dietz (former owner of Bill Tantau's PA, I think) of a TA with an RAF scene is on sale from one of the aviation catalogs. The price of shipping is high for just one puzzle but you could order for some friends, too. > >Details: Historic Aviation, 800-225-5575, item # 65505N, "To The Victor", "At the wheel of her MG TB, a Woman's Royal Auxilliary officer visits her fiance, one of the Battle of Britain's "few," who has just returned from another successful mission." > >The sale price is $5.95. (Regular price $14.95) Shipping cost of up to $50 is $7.95. There are several other aviation puzzles also on sale at $5.95. www.HistoricAviation.com When I ordered, I asked if they had many on hand and they said they did. (I think it possible that they actually don't have them on hand but get them just-in-time from their vendor.) > >I have assembled the puzzle and it is very nice, and I have purchased items from this firm before. I have no financial interest. > >Best regards, > >Dan Shockey >PA2108 > >_________________________________________________________________ >Rediscover HotmailB.: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. >http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Sto rage2_042009 From lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com Wed Apr 22 16:31:05 2009 From: lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com (Lew Palmer) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:31:05 -0500 Subject: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale In-Reply-To: <7897603.1240417014373.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7897603.1240417014373.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8F376D8AF898482DAB421890A6FA4D65@roundabout.com> But I think Bill neglects to point out the puzzle pictures his PA, not TA. Cheers, Lew Palmer -----Original Message----- From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tantau Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:17 AM To: Daniel Shockey; MMM List; Allan Chalmers Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale Righto Dan... that's my man Dietz doing what he does best - vintage aviation with a human interest twist. Bill -----Original Message----- >From: Daniel Shockey >Sent: Apr 22, 2009 9:00 AM >To: MMM List , Allan Chalmers , Bill Tantau >Subject: MG TA Puzzle on Sale > > >Hello, > >I noticed that the very nice picture puzzle by James Dietz (former owner of Bill Tantau's PA, I think) of a TA with an RAF scene is on sale from one of the aviation catalogs. The price of shipping is high for just one puzzle but you could order for some friends, too. > >Details: Historic Aviation, 800-225-5575, item # 65505N, "To The Victor", "At the wheel of her MG TB, a Woman's Royal Auxilliary officer visits her fiance, one of the Battle of Britain's "few," who has just returned from another successful mission." > >The sale price is $5.95. (Regular price $14.95) Shipping cost of up to $50 is $7.95. There are several other aviation puzzles also on sale at $5.95. www.HistoricAviation.com When I ordered, I asked if they had many on hand and they said they did. (I think it possible that they actually don't have them on hand but get them just-in-time from their vendor.) > >I have assembled the puzzle and it is very nice, and I have purchased items from this firm before. I have no financial interest. > >Best regards, > >Dan Shockey >PA2108 > >_________________________________________________________________ >Rediscover HotmailB.: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. >http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_St o rage2_042009 Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com http://www.team.net/archive From bill707 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 22 23:43:18 2009 From: bill707 at earthlink.net (Bill Tantau) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 01:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale Message-ID: <23960378.1240465398289.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Actually, and I don't know where my puzzle is, I believe it's a TB. My PA appeared in a painting of Dietz's named "New Kites". bt -----Original Message----- >From: Lew Palmer >Sent: Apr 22, 2009 6:31 PM >To: 'Bill Tantau' , 'Daniel Shockey' , 'MMM List' , 'Allan Chalmers' >Subject: RE: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale > >But I think Bill neglects to point out the puzzle pictures his PA, not TA. > >Cheers, >Lew Palmer > >-----Original Message----- >From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of Bill Tantau >Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:17 AM >To: Daniel Shockey; MMM List; Allan Chalmers >Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale > >Righto Dan... that's my man Dietz doing what he does best - vintage aviation >with a human interest twist. >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Daniel Shockey >>Sent: Apr 22, 2009 9:00 AM >>To: MMM List , Allan Chalmers >, Bill Tantau >>Subject: MG TA Puzzle on Sale >> >> >>Hello, >> >>I noticed that the very nice picture puzzle by James Dietz (former owner of >Bill Tantau's PA, I think) of a TA with an RAF scene is on sale from one of >the aviation catalogs. The price of shipping is high for just one puzzle but >you could order for some friends, too. >> >>Details: Historic Aviation, 800-225-5575, item # 65505N, "To The Victor", >"At >the wheel of her MG TB, a Woman's Royal Auxilliary officer visits her >fiance, >one of the Battle of Britain's "few," who has just returned from another >successful mission." >> >>The sale price is $5.95. (Regular price $14.95) Shipping cost of up to $50 >is >$7.95. There are several other aviation puzzles also on sale at $5.95. >www.HistoricAviation.com When I ordered, I asked if they had many on hand >and >they said they did. (I think it possible that they actually don't have them >on >hand but get them just-in-time from their vendor.) >> >>I have assembled the puzzle and it is very nice, and I have purchased items >from this firm before. I have no financial interest. >> >>Best regards, >> >>Dan Shockey >>PA2108 >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Rediscover HotmailB.: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. >>http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_St >o >rage2_042009 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mg-mmm at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > >You are subscribed as lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com > >http://www.team.net/archive From taterry at pacbell.net Thu Apr 23 08:08:12 2009 From: taterry at pacbell.net (Terry Sanders) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale In-Reply-To: <23960378.1240465398289.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <228364.454.qm@web83402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Righto....I have a print of "New Kites" hanging right here over my easy chair and the PA is front and center.... Terry in Oakland --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Bill Tantau wrote: From: Bill Tantau Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale To: "Lew Palmer" , "'Daniel Shockey'" , "'MMM List'" , "'Allan Chalmers'" Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 10:43 PM Actually, and I don't know where my puzzle is, I believe it's a TB. My PA appeared in a painting of Dietz's named "New Kites". bt -----Original Message----- >From: Lew Palmer >Sent: Apr 22, 2009 6:31 PM >To: 'Bill Tantau' , 'Daniel Shockey' , 'MMM List' , 'Allan Chalmers' >Subject: RE: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale > >But I think Bill neglects to point out the puzzle pictures his PA, not TA. > >Cheers, >Lew Palmer > >-----Original Message----- >From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of Bill Tantau >Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:17 AM >To: Daniel Shockey; MMM List; Allan Chalmers >Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale > >Righto Dan... that's my man Dietz doing what he does best - vintage aviation >with a human interest twist. >Bill > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Daniel Shockey >>Sent: Apr 22, 2009 9:00 AM >>To: MMM List , Allan Chalmers >, Bill Tantau >>Subject: MG TA Puzzle on Sale >> >> >>Hello, >> >>I noticed that the very nice picture puzzle by James Dietz (former owner of >Bill Tantau's PA, I think) of a TA with an RAF scene is on sale from one of >the aviation catalogs. The price of shipping is high for just one puzzle but >you could order for some friends, too. >> >>Details: Historic Aviation, 800-225-5575, item # 65505N, "To The Victor", >"At >the wheel of her MG TB, a Woman's Royal Auxilliary officer visits her >fiance, >one of the Battle of Britain's "few," who has just returned from another >successful mission." >> >>The sale price is $5.95. (Regular price $14.95) Shipping cost of up to $50 >is >$7.95. There are several other aviation puzzles also on sale at $5.95. >www.HistoricAviation.com When I ordered, I asked if they had many on hand >and >they said they did. (I think it possible that they actually don't have them >on >hand but get them just-in-time from their vendor.) >> >>I have assembled the puzzle and it is very nice, and I have purchased items >from this firm before. I have no financial interest. >> >>Best regards, >> >>Dan Shockey >>PA2108 >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Rediscover HotmailB.: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. >>http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_St >o >rage2_042009 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mg-mmm at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > >You are subscribed as lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com > >http://www.team.net/archive Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as taterry at pacbell.net http://www.team.net/archive From bill707 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 23 10:28:30 2009 From: bill707 at earthlink.net (Bill Tantau) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale Message-ID: <16855432.1240504110981.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Righto x2... and likewise on me wall! bt -----Original Message----- >From: Terry Sanders >Sent: Apr 23, 2009 10:08 AM >To: Lew Palmer , 'Daniel Shockey' , 'MMM List' , 'Allan Chalmers' , Bill Tantau >Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale > >Righto....I have a print of "New Kites" hanging right here over my easy chair and the PA is front and center.... >Terry in Oakland > >--- On Wed, 4/22/09, Bill Tantau wrote: > >From: Bill Tantau >Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale >To: "Lew Palmer" , "'Daniel Shockey'" , "'MMM List'" , "'Allan Chalmers'" >Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 10:43 PM > >Actually, and I don't know where my puzzle is, I believe it's a TB. My >PA appeared in a painting of Dietz's named "New Kites". >bt > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Lew Palmer >>Sent: Apr 22, 2009 6:31 PM >>To: 'Bill Tantau' , 'Daniel >Shockey' , 'MMM List' >, 'Allan Chalmers' > >>Subject: RE: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale >> >>But I think Bill neglects to point out the puzzle pictures his PA, not TA. >> >>Cheers, >>Lew Palmer >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] >>On Behalf Of Bill Tantau >>Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:17 AM >>To: Daniel Shockey; MMM List; Allan Chalmers >>Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale >> >>Righto Dan... that's my man Dietz doing what he does best - vintage >aviation >>with a human interest twist. >>Bill >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Daniel Shockey >>>Sent: Apr 22, 2009 9:00 AM >>>To: MMM List , Allan Chalmers >>, Bill Tantau >>>Subject: MG TA Puzzle on Sale >>> >>> >>>Hello, >>> >>>I noticed that the very nice picture puzzle by James Dietz (former >owner of >>Bill Tantau's PA, I think) of a TA with an RAF scene is on sale from >one of >>the aviation catalogs. The price of shipping is high for just one puzzle >but >>you could order for some friends, too. >>> >>>Details: Historic Aviation, 800-225-5575, item # 65505N, "To The >Victor", >>"At >>the wheel of her MG TB, a Woman's Royal Auxilliary officer visits her >>fiance, >>one of the Battle of Britain's "few," who has just returned >from another >>successful mission." >>> >>>The sale price is $5.95. (Regular price $14.95) Shipping cost of up to >$50 >>is >>$7.95. There are several other aviation puzzles also on sale at $5.95. >>www.HistoricAviation.com When I ordered, I asked if they had many on hand >>and >>they said they did. (I think it possible that they actually don't have >them >>on >>hand but get them just-in-time from their vendor.) >>> >>>I have assembled the puzzle and it is very nice, and I have purchased >items >>from this firm before. I have no financial interest. >>> >>>Best regards, >>> >>>Dan Shockey >>>PA2108 >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Rediscover HotmailB.: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. >>>http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_St >>o >>rage2_042009 >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Mg-mmm at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm >> >>You are subscribed as lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com >> >>http://www.team.net/archive >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Mg-mmm at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > >You are subscribed as taterry at pacbell.net > >http://www.team.net/archive From mgtom at zoominternet.net Thu Apr 23 13:43:17 2009 From: mgtom at zoominternet.net (Tom Metcalf) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:43:17 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale References: <16855432.1240504110981.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <681274CA1A1747D3952309FD9435EB52@tom> Me 2. tommm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tantau" To: ; "Lew Palmer" ; "'Daniel Shockey'" ; "'MMM List'" ; "'Allan Chalmers'" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale > Righto x2... and likewise on me wall! > bt > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Terry Sanders >>Sent: Apr 23, 2009 10:08 AM >>To: Lew Palmer , 'Daniel Shockey' >>, 'MMM List' , 'Allan >>Chalmers' , Bill Tantau >>Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale >> >>Righto....I have a print of "New Kites" hanging right here over my easy >>chair and the PA is front and center.... >>Terry in Oakland >> >>--- On Wed, 4/22/09, Bill Tantau wrote: >> >>From: Bill Tantau >>Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale >>To: "Lew Palmer" , "'Daniel Shockey'" >>, "'MMM List'" , "'Allan >>Chalmers'" >>Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 10:43 PM >> >>Actually, and I don't know where my puzzle is, I believe it's a TB. My >>PA appeared in a painting of Dietz's named "New Kites". >>bt >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Lew Palmer >>>Sent: Apr 22, 2009 6:31 PM >>>To: 'Bill Tantau' , 'Daniel >>Shockey' , 'MMM List' >>, 'Allan Chalmers' >> >>>Subject: RE: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale >>> >>>But I think Bill neglects to point out the puzzle pictures his PA, not >>>TA. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Lew Palmer >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net >>>[mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] >>>On Behalf Of Bill Tantau >>>Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 11:17 AM >>>To: Daniel Shockey; MMM List; Allan Chalmers >>>Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] MG TA Puzzle on Sale >>> >>>Righto Dan... that's my man Dietz doing what he does best - vintage >>aviation >>>with a human interest twist. >>>Bill >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Daniel Shockey >>>>Sent: Apr 22, 2009 9:00 AM >>>>To: MMM List , Allan Chalmers >>>, Bill Tantau >>>>Subject: MG TA Puzzle on Sale >>>> >>>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>I noticed that the very nice picture puzzle by James Dietz (former >>owner of >>>Bill Tantau's PA, I think) of a TA with an RAF scene is on sale from >>one of >>>the aviation catalogs. The price of shipping is high for just one puzzle >>but >>>you could order for some friends, too. >>>> >>>>Details: Historic Aviation, 800-225-5575, item # 65505N, "To The >>Victor", >>>"At >>>the wheel of her MG TB, a Woman's Royal Auxilliary officer visits her >>>fiance, >>>one of the Battle of Britain's "few," who has just returned >>from another >>>successful mission." >>>> >>>>The sale price is $5.95. (Regular price $14.95) Shipping cost of up to >>$50 >>>is >>>$7.95. There are several other aviation puzzles also on sale at $5.95. >>>www.HistoricAviation.com When I ordered, I asked if they had many on hand >>>and >>>they said they did. (I think it possible that they actually don't have >>them >>>on >>>hand but get them just-in-time from their vendor.) >>>> >>>>I have assembled the puzzle and it is very nice, and I have purchased >>items >>>from this firm before. I have no financial interest. >>>> >>>>Best regards, >>>> >>>>Dan Shockey >>>>PA2108 >>>> >>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>Rediscover HotmailB.: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. >>>>http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_St >>>o >>>rage2_042009 >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>Mg-mmm at autox.team.net >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm >>> >>>You are subscribed as lpalmer at roundaboutmanor.com >>> >>>http://www.team.net/archive >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Mg-mmm at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm >> >>You are subscribed as taterry at pacbell.net >> >>http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Mg-mmm at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm > > You are subscribed as mgtom at zoominternet.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Sat Apr 25 14:09:42 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:09:42 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 Message-ID: Hi Guys, Just a short NA-0686 engine update. I have received the new block and Phoenix crankshaft from Peter Green in the UK. They look very good. I delivered them to the machine shop guy John this morning, he liked the new parts. John does specialty engine work on weekends and the NA engine is next on the list after he completes an MGA twin cam engine. I hope the rebuild of the engine goes smoothly with these new parts. Questions: 1-, what is the proper engine colour ( supplier and colour code please ) for the 1935 MG NA 4 seat open tourer and what type of paint to be used to stop it flaking off the new engine. Old engine colour is now MG TC/TD/TF maroon colour. This looks OK to me but thought somebody might know the "correct" colour. 2-Should I go for a solid copper head gasket or use the original type copper/asbestos? If solid copper, who is a good supplier, hopefully in North America. 3-What is the thinking on flywheel lightening. The NA flywheel has been lightened a bit but not nearly as much as my PA engine flywheel. Is lighter better?? I can send photos of the light PA flywheel to those interested. Hopefully NA-0686 will be on the road this summer. Bob Bob Grunau 150 Pinewood Trail Mississauga, Ontario Canada, L5G-2L1 905-274-4136 grunau.garage at sympatico.ca From taterry at pacbell.net Sat Apr 25 17:53:32 2009 From: taterry at pacbell.net (Terry Sanders) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <435936.26373.qm@web83402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Bob, engine color is a huge controversy, has always been. Per Barry Walker (does any know more about MMM cars than he? ;-) sez in his catalog that 4 seaters had green engines, 2 seaters had red/maroon. Lew Palmer ran a survey a few years ago and a surprising number of engines were reported green. I painted my green since besides Barry's catalog, I had some nice stuff left over from my SA engine....I have the formula if you need it. I used solid copper but didn't anneal it properly first time around. You use oxy/accel to get it hot enough. They are available from Los Angeles: http://www.headgasket.com/ I had my flywheel lightened as per one tip in one of the yearbooks.....nothing to compare to but the original was very heavy and maybe why so many original cranks broke/cracked. Just for my info. how much was the freight from the UK and did you get stuck with some duty? Terry --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Bob Grunau wrote: From: Bob Grunau Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 To: "MG-MMM" Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 1:09 PM Hi Guys, Just a short NA-0686 engine update. I have received the new block and Phoenix crankshaft from Peter Green in the UK. They look very good. I delivered them to the machine shop guy John this morning, he liked the new parts. John does specialty engine work on weekends and the NA engine is next on the list after he completes an MGA twin cam engine. I hope the rebuild of the engine goes smoothly with these new parts. Questions: 1-, what is the proper engine colour ( supplier and colour code please ) for the 1935 MG NA 4 seat open tourer and what type of paint to be used to stop it flaking off the new engine. Old engine colour is now MG TC/TD/TF maroon colour. This looks OK to me but thought somebody might know the "correct" colour. 2-Should I go for a solid copper head gasket or use the original type copper/asbestos? If solid copper, who is a good supplier, hopefully in North America. 3-What is the thinking on flywheel lightening. The NA flywheel has been lightened a bit but not nearly as much as my PA engine flywheel. Is lighter better?? I can send photos of the light PA flywheel to those interested. Hopefully NA-0686 will be on the road this summer. Bob Bob Grunau 150 Pinewood Trail Mississauga, Ontario Canada, L5G-2L1 905-274-4136 grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as taterry at pacbell.net http://www.team.net/archive From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Sat Apr 25 18:41:57 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:41:57 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 In-Reply-To: <435936.26373.qm@web83402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Terry, Thanks re colour ( notice I spell it correctly ). Personally I like the red/maroon. This car will be a driver, not show car . Does the copper head gasket not come annealed from headgasket .com??, I will lighten the flywheel, way more than already done. I can't send photos to MMM but if somebody wants a photo of my PA light flywheel ( same as NA ), email me. A LOT of weight taken off. Much more than shown in the MMM yearbook. Freight from the UK was combined with a wire wheel order I had coming, so hard to say as the block and crank came on the same shipment. However I bought 11 wire wheels and the block and crank and total sea freight was $537.00 Cdn$, about $430.00 US$. Everything came on one pallet. In Canada there is no duty on antique car parts intended for cars over 30 years old, so no duty. Best regards, Bob Grunau Bob, engine color is a huge controversy, has always been. Per Barry Walker (does any know more about MMM cars than he? ;-) sez in his catalog that 4 seaters had green engines, 2 seaters had red/maroon. Lew Palmer ran a survey a few years ago and a surprising number of engines were reported green. I painted my green since besides Barry's catalog, I had some nice stuff left over from my SA engine....I have the formula if you need it. I used solid copper but didn't anneal it properly first time around. You use oxy/accel to get it hot enough. They are available from Los Angeles: http://www.headgasket.com/ I had my flywheel lightened as per one tip in one of the yearbooks.....nothing to compare to but the original was very heavy and maybe why so many original cranks broke/cracked. Just for my info. how much was the freight from the UK and did you get stuck with some duty? Terry --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Bob Grunau wrote: From: Bob Grunau Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 To: "MG-MMM" Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 1:09 PM Hi Guys, Just a short NA-0686 engine update. I have received the new block and Phoenix crankshaft from Peter Green in the UK. They look very good. I delivered them to the machine shop guy John this morning, he liked the new parts. John does specialty engine work on weekends and the NA engine is next on the list after he completes an MGA twin cam engine. I hope the rebuild of the engine goes smoothly with these new parts. Questions: 1-, what is the proper engine colour ( supplier and colour code please ) for the 1935 MG NA 4 seat open tourer and what type of paint to be used to stop it flaking off the new engine. Old engine colour is now MG TC/TD/TF maroon colour. This looks OK to me but thought somebody might know the "correct" colour. 2-Should I go for a solid copper head gasket or use the original type copper/asbestos? If solid copper, who is a good supplier, hopefully in North America. 3-What is the thinking on flywheel lightening. The NA flywheel has been lightened a bit but not nearly as much as my PA engine flywheel. Is lighter better?? I can send photos of the light PA flywheel to those interested. Hopefully NA-0686 will be on the road this summer. Bob Bob Grunau 150 Pinewood Trail Mississauga, Ontario Canada, L5G-2L1 905-274-4136 grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as taterry at pacbell.net http://www.team.net/archive From nowlanc at comcast.net Sat Apr 25 18:49:15 2009 From: nowlanc at comcast.net (Chris Nowlan) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:49:15 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090426014815.8C119187646@autox.team.net> Bob, My L2 engine/gearbox was red and since the gearbox had never been repainted, gave a very good indication of colour. I do believe the color! was exactly the same as T-series red. John Mecray sent me some photos of some spare gearbox bits which quite clearly show the colour, I'll send these separately. Good luck with the N-engine rebuild. Cheers, Chris Nowlan -----Original Message----- From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Grunau Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:42 PM To: taterry at pacbell.net; MG-MMM Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 Hi Terry, Thanks re colour ( notice I spell it correctly ). Personally I like the red/maroon. This car will be a driver, not show car . Does the copper head gasket not come annealed from headgasket .com??, I will lighten the flywheel, way more than already done. I can't send photos to MMM but if somebody wants a photo of my PA light flywheel ( same as NA ), email me. A LOT of weight taken off. Much more than shown in the MMM yearbook. Freight from the UK was combined with a wire wheel order I had coming, so hard to say as the block and crank came on the same shipment. However I bought 11 wire wheels and the block and crank and total sea freight was $537.00 Cdn$, about $430.00 US$. Everything came on one pallet. In Canada there is no duty on antique car parts intended for cars over 30 years old, so no duty. Best regards, Bob Grunau Bob, engine color is a huge controversy, has always been. Per Barry Walker (does any know more about MMM cars than he? ;-) sez in his catalog that 4 seaters had green engines, 2 seaters had red/maroon. Lew Palmer ran a survey a few years ago and a surprising number of engines were reported green. I painted my green since besides Barry's catalog, I had some nice stuff left over from my SA engine....I have the formula if you need it. I used solid copper but didn't anneal it properly first time around. You use oxy/accel to get it hot enough. They are available from Los Angeles: http://www.headgasket.com/ I had my flywheel lightened as per one tip in one of the yearbooks.....nothing to compare to but the original was very heavy and maybe why so many original cranks broke/cracked. Just for my info. how much was the freight from the UK and did you get stuck with some duty? Terry --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Bob Grunau wrote: From: Bob Grunau Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 To: "MG-MMM" Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 1:09 PM Hi Guys, Just a short NA-0686 engine update. I have received the new block and Phoenix crankshaft from Peter Green in the UK. They look very good. I delivered them to the machine shop guy John this morning, he liked the new parts. John does specialty engine work on weekends and the NA engine is next on the list after he completes an MGA twin cam engine. I hope the rebuild of the engine goes smoothly with these new parts. Questions: 1-, what is the proper engine colour ( supplier and colour code please ) for the 1935 MG NA 4 seat open tourer and what type of paint to be used to stop it flaking off the new engine. Old engine colour is now MG TC/TD/TF maroon colour. This looks OK to me but thought somebody might know the "correct" colour. 2-Should I go for a solid copper head gasket or use the original type copper/asbestos? If solid copper, who is a good supplier, hopefully in North America. 3-What is the thinking on flywheel lightening. The NA flywheel has been lightened a bit but not nearly as much as my PA engine flywheel. Is lighter better?? I can send photos of the light PA flywheel to those interested. Hopefully NA-0686 will be on the road this summer. Bob Bob Grunau 150 Pinewood Trail Mississauga, Ontario Canada, L5G-2L1 905-274-4136 grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as taterry at pacbell.net http://www.team.net/archive Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as nowlanc at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive From taterry at pacbell.net Sat Apr 25 19:22:27 2009 From: taterry at pacbell.net (Terry Sanders) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <310341.1992.qm@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> So, a red engine makes it a driver? I knew I had missed something!! ;-) I --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Bob Grunau wrote: From: Bob Grunau Subject: RE: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 To: taterry at pacbell.net, "MG-MMM" Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 5:41 PM Hi Terry, Thanks re colour ( notice I spell it correctly ). Personally I like the red/maroon. This car will be a driver, not show car . Does the copper head gasket not come annealed from headgasket .com??, I will lighten the flywheel, way more than already done. I can't send photos to MMM but if somebody wants a photo of my PA light flywheel ( same as NA ), email me. A LOT of weight taken off. Much more than shown in the MMM yearbook. Freight from the UK was combined with a wire wheel order I had coming, so hard to say as the block and crank came on the same shipment. However I bought 11 wire wheels and the block and crank and total sea freight was $537.00 Cdn$, about $430.00 US$. Everything came on one pallet. In Canada there is no duty on antique car parts intended for cars over 30 years old, so no duty. Best regards, Bob Grunau Bob, engine color is a huge controversy, has always been. Per Barry Walker (does any know more about MMM cars than he? ;-) sez in his catalog that 4 seaters had green engines, 2 seaters had red/maroon. Lew Palmer ran a survey a few years ago and a surprising number of engines were reported green. I painted my green since besides Barry's catalog, I had some nice stuff left over from my SA engine....I have the formula if you need it. I used solid copper but didn't anneal it properly first time around. You use oxy/accel to get it hot enough. They are available from Los Angeles: http://www.headgasket.com/ I had my flywheel lightened as per one tip in one of the yearbooks.....nothing to compare to but the original was very heavy and maybe why so many original cranks broke/cracked. Just for my info. how much was the freight from the UK and did you get stuck with some duty? Terry --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Bob Grunau wrote: From: Bob Grunau Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 To: "MG-MMM" Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 1:09 PM Hi Guys, Just a short NA-0686 engine update. I have received the new block and Phoenix crankshaft from Peter Green in the UK. They look very good. I delivered them to the machine shop guy John this morning, he liked the new parts. John does specialty engine work on weekends and the NA engine is next on the list after he completes an MGA twin cam engine. I hope the rebuild of the engine goes smoothly with these new parts. Questions: 1-, what is the proper engine colour ( supplier and colour code please ) for the 1935 MG NA 4 seat open tourer and what type of paint to be used to stop it flaking off the new engine. Old engine colour is now MG TC/TD/TF maroon colour. This looks OK to me but thought somebody might know the "correct" colour. 2-Should I go for a solid copper head gasket or use the original type copper/asbestos? If solid copper, who is a good supplier, hopefully in North America. 3-What is the thinking on flywheel lightening. The NA flywheel has been lightened a bit but not nearly as much as my PA engine flywheel. Is lighter better?? I can send photos of the light PA flywheel to those interested. Hopefully NA-0686 will be on the road this summer. Bob Bob Grunau 150 Pinewood Trail Mississauga, Ontario Canada, L5G-2L1 905-274-4136 grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as taterry at pacbell.net http://www.team.net/archive From taterry at pacbell.net Sat Apr 25 19:23:43 2009 From: taterry at pacbell.net (Terry Sanders) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <163433.10806.qm@web83407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I can tell you from bitter personal experience that the solid copper head gasket does not come annealed! Terry --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Bob Grunau wrote: From: Bob Grunau Subject: RE: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 To: taterry at pacbell.net, "MG-MMM" Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 5:41 PM Hi Terry, Thanks re colour ( notice I spell it correctly ). Personally I like the red/maroon. This car will be a driver, not show car . Does the copper head gasket not come annealed from headgasket .com??, I will lighten the flywheel, way more than already done. I can't send photos to MMM but if somebody wants a photo of my PA light flywheel ( same as NA ), email me. A LOT of weight taken off. Much more than shown in the MMM yearbook. Freight from the UK was combined with a wire wheel order I had coming, so hard to say as the block and crank came on the same shipment. However I bought 11 wire wheels and the block and crank and total sea freight was $537.00 Cdn$, about $430.00 US$. Everything came on one pallet. In Canada there is no duty on antique car parts intended for cars over 30 years old, so no duty. Best regards, Bob Grunau Bob, engine color is a huge controversy, has always been. Per Barry Walker (does any know more about MMM cars than he? ;-) sez in his catalog that 4 seaters had green engines, 2 seaters had red/maroon. Lew Palmer ran a survey a few years ago and a surprising number of engines were reported green. I painted my green since besides Barry's catalog, I had some nice stuff left over from my SA engine....I have the formula if you need it. I used solid copper but didn't anneal it properly first time around. You use oxy/accel to get it hot enough. They are available from Los Angeles: http://www.headgasket.com/ I had my flywheel lightened as per one tip in one of the yearbooks.....nothing to compare to but the original was very heavy and maybe why so many original cranks broke/cracked. Just for my info. how much was the freight from the UK and did you get stuck with some duty? Terry --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Bob Grunau wrote: From: Bob Grunau Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 To: "MG-MMM" Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 1:09 PM Hi Guys, Just a short NA-0686 engine update. I have received the new block and Phoenix crankshaft from Peter Green in the UK. They look very good. I delivered them to the machine shop guy John this morning, he liked the new parts. John does specialty engine work on weekends and the NA engine is next on the list after he completes an MGA twin cam engine. I hope the rebuild of the engine goes smoothly with these new parts. Questions: 1-, what is the proper engine colour ( supplier and colour code please ) for the 1935 MG NA 4 seat open tourer and what type of paint to be used to stop it flaking off the new engine. Old engine colour is now MG TC/TD/TF maroon colour. This looks OK to me but thought somebody might know the "correct" colour. 2-Should I go for a solid copper head gasket or use the original type copper/asbestos? If solid copper, who is a good supplier, hopefully in North America. 3-What is the thinking on flywheel lightening. The NA flywheel has been lightened a bit but not nearly as much as my PA engine flywheel. Is lighter better?? I can send photos of the light PA flywheel to those interested. Hopefully NA-0686 will be on the road this summer. Bob Bob Grunau 150 Pinewood Trail Mississauga, Ontario Canada, L5G-2L1 905-274-4136 grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as taterry at pacbell.net http://www.team.net/archive From bispmotala at hotmail.com Sun Apr 26 00:06:23 2009 From: bispmotala at hotmail.com (bispmotala) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:06:23 +0200 Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 In-Reply-To: <20090426014815.8C119187646@autox.team.net> References: <20090426014815.8C119187646@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Bob I agree with Chris. Barry's information was probably based on data printed in the 60s and later proved not correct by Mike Allison no less. Also it makes sense as engines where finished, and painted elsewhere and allocated to chassis randomly. Mine are red. I like it. Perhaps some other year the Wolseley factory had a huge offer on green and used that instead. Good luck. Sven Sweden L types -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] Fvr Chris Nowlan Skickat: den 26 april 2009 02:49 Till: 'MG-MMM' Dmne: Re: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 Bob, My L2 engine/gearbox was red and since the gearbox had never been repainted, gave a very good indication of colour. I do believe the color! was exactly the same as T-series red. John Mecray sent me some photos of some spare gearbox bits which quite clearly show the colour, I'll send these separately. Good luck with the N-engine rebuild. Cheers, Chris Nowlan -----Original Message----- From: mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:mg-mmm-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Grunau Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:42 PM To: taterry at pacbell.net; MG-MMM Subject: Re: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 Hi Terry, Thanks re colour ( notice I spell it correctly ). Personally I like the red/maroon. This car will be a driver, not show car . Does the copper head gasket not come annealed from headgasket .com??, I will lighten the flywheel, way more than already done. I can't send photos to MMM but if somebody wants a photo of my PA light flywheel ( same as NA ), email me. A LOT of weight taken off. Much more than shown in the MMM yearbook. Freight from the UK was combined with a wire wheel order I had coming, so hard to say as the block and crank came on the same shipment. However I bought 11 wire wheels and the block and crank and total sea freight was $537.00 Cdn$, about $430.00 US$. Everything came on one pallet. In Canada there is no duty on antique car parts intended for cars over 30 years old, so no duty. Best regards, Bob Grunau Bob, engine color is a huge controversy, has always been. Per Barry Walker (does any know more about MMM cars than he? ;-) sez in his catalog that 4 seaters had green engines, 2 seaters had red/maroon. Lew Palmer ran a survey a few years ago and a surprising number of engines were reported green. I painted my green since besides Barry's catalog, I had some nice stuff left over from my SA engine....I have the formula if you need it. I used solid copper but didn't anneal it properly first time around. You use oxy/accel to get it hot enough. They are available from Los Angeles: http://www.headgasket.com/ I had my flywheel lightened as per one tip in one of the yearbooks.....nothing to compare to but the original was very heavy and maybe why so many original cranks broke/cracked. Just for my info. how much was the freight from the UK and did you get stuck with some duty? Terry --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Bob Grunau wrote: From: Bob Grunau Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 To: "MG-MMM" Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 1:09 PM Hi Guys, Just a short NA-0686 engine update. I have received the new block and Phoenix crankshaft from Peter Green in the UK. They look very good. I delivered them to the machine shop guy John this morning, he liked the new parts. John does specialty engine work on weekends and the NA engine is next on the list after he completes an MGA twin cam engine. I hope the rebuild of the engine goes smoothly with these new parts. Questions: 1-, what is the proper engine colour ( supplier and colour code please ) for the 1935 MG NA 4 seat open tourer and what type of paint to be used to stop it flaking off the new engine. Old engine colour is now MG TC/TD/TF maroon colour. This looks OK to me but thought somebody might know the "correct" colour. 2-Should I go for a solid copper head gasket or use the original type copper/asbestos? If solid copper, who is a good supplier, hopefully in North America. 3-What is the thinking on flywheel lightening. The NA flywheel has been lightened a bit but not nearly as much as my PA engine flywheel. Is lighter better?? I can send photos of the light PA flywheel to those interested. Hopefully NA-0686 will be on the road this summer. Bob Bob Grunau 150 Pinewood Trail Mississauga, Ontario Canada, L5G-2L1 905-274-4136 grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as taterry at pacbell.net http://www.team.net/archive Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as nowlanc at comcast.net http://www.team.net/archive Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as bispmotala at hotmail.com http://www.team.net/archive From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Sun Apr 26 06:59:42 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:59:42 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 In-Reply-To: <163433.10806.qm@web83407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OK, thanks. I would have thought that was an easy thing for Copper Gaskets to supply it annealed. I'll ask. Bobc -----Original Message----- From: Terry Sanders [mailto:taterry at pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:24 PM To: MG-MMM; Bob Grunau Subject: RE: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 I can tell you from bitter personal experience that the solid copper head gasket does not come annealed! Terry --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Bob Grunau wrote: From: Bob Grunau Subject: RE: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 To: taterry at pacbell.net, "MG-MMM" Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 5:41 PM Hi Terry, Thanks re colour ( notice I spell it correctly ). Personally I like the red/maroon. This car will be a driver, not show car . Does the copper head gasket not come annealed from headgasket .com??, I will lighten the flywheel, way more than already done. I can't send photos to MMM but if somebody wants a photo of my PA light flywheel ( same as NA ), email me. A LOT of weight taken off. Much more than shown in the MMM yearbook. Freight from the UK was combined with a wire wheel order I had coming, so hard to say as the block and crank came on the same shipment. However I bought 11 wire wheels and the block and crank and total sea freight was $537.00 Cdn$, about $430.00 US$. Everything came on one pallet. In Canada there is no duty on antique car parts intended for cars over 30 years old, so no duty. Best regards, Bob Grunau Bob, engine color is a huge controversy, has always been. Per Barry Walker (does any know more about MMM cars than he? ;-) sez in his catalog that 4 seaters had green engines, 2 seaters had red/maroon. Lew Palmer ran a survey a few years ago and a surprising number of engines were reported green. I painted my green since besides Barry's catalog, I had some nice stuff left over from my SA engine....I have the formula if you need it. I used solid copper but didn't anneal it properly first time around. You use oxy/accel to get it hot enough. They are available from Los Angeles: http://www.headgasket.com/ I had my flywheel lightened as per one tip in one of the yearbooks.....nothing to compare to but the original was very heavy and maybe why so many original cranks broke/cracked. Just for my info. how much was the freight from the UK and did you get stuck with some duty? Terry --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Bob Grunau wrote: From: Bob Grunau Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 To: "MG-MMM" Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 1:09 PM Hi Guys, Just a short NA-0686 engine update. I have received the new block and Phoenix crankshaft from Peter Green in the UK. They look very good. I delivered them to the machine shop guy John this morning, he liked the new parts. John does specialty engine work on weekends and the NA engine is next on the list after he completes an MGA twin cam engine. I hope the rebuild of the engine goes smoothly with these new parts. Questions: 1-, what is the proper engine colour ( supplier and colour code please ) for the 1935 MG NA 4 seat open tourer and what type of paint to be used to stop it flaking off the new engine. Old engine colour is now MG TC/TD/TF maroon colour. This looks OK to me but thought somebody might know the "correct" colour. 2-Should I go for a solid copper head gasket or use the original type copper/asbestos? If solid copper, who is a good supplier, hopefully in North America. 3-What is the thinking on flywheel lightening. The NA flywheel has been lightened a bit but not nearly as much as my PA engine flywheel. Is lighter better?? I can send photos of the light PA flywheel to those interested. Hopefully NA-0686 will be on the road this summer. Bob Bob Grunau 150 Pinewood Trail Mississauga, Ontario Canada, L5G-2L1 905-274-4136 grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Mg-mmm at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/mg-mmm You are subscribed as taterry at pacbell.net http://www.team.net/archive From mgtom at zoominternet.net Sun Apr 26 16:33:53 2009 From: mgtom at zoominternet.net (Tom Metcalf) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:33:53 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] FW: NA-0686 References: <163433.10806.qm@web83407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <067CC1BD7EA64E539A49A21BDD369386@tom> Bob, NA0933, a 4 seat NB in our shop, still has very original dark red paint on the engine, bellhousing, and gearbox. It was all painted red as a unit, front to back. I use damask red urethane - it's very close. The aluminum MG inspection cover on the bellhousing has NO paint on it - nothing down the the crevices at all. I dunno of that means there never was or if it came off that one piece. tommmmmmmmm From grunau.garage at sympatico.ca Sun Apr 26 18:41:52 2009 From: grunau.garage at sympatico.ca (Bob Grunau) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:41:52 -0400 Subject: [Mg-mmm] J2 parts needed In-Reply-To: <20090418213624.21AB418766B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Hi Chris, I didn't see an answer to this question, so here goes. Sorry I don't have any J2 carb pistons or dashpots surplus. HOWEVER, looking at a PA dashpot and broken piston I said "that looks like TC". So I dug out some TC dashpots and pistons and noted an extreme similarity except for the size of the lower piston diameter in the carb throat which has the needle attached. I then moved over to 1 1/8" Sprite/MG Midget carbs and lo and behold, the Sprite carb piston and domed cover are essentially the same as J2 and will fit. Difference are only in the weight of the piston which is heavier in the J2 since the top sleeve is not bored out for an oil damper rod assembly. As far as I can see, pour some lead into the Sprite upper rod and make the weights the same and the pistons and covers will work on a J2. The J2 piston cover has the number 142E cast inside on the top. So does the Sprite cover. Piston weight of a J2 carb piston is 239 grams. Piston weight for the Sprite piston is 207 grams. So just fill the Sprite piston with lead? Interesting the carb float bowls, floats and float bowl covers will also work OK. J2 float bowl number is 1355A. Similar Sprite is AUC8403-2 for the correct same as J2 angled float bowl. Floats and float bowl covers from the Sprite can be used on either original J2 bowls or Sprite bowls. Main difference is the Sprite float bowl has a slightly larger hole in the attachment to the carb body so may need to use a Sprite float bowl banjo bolt and seal washers. Banjo bolt threads are 7/16" BSF on MMM, TC/TD, MGA and Sprite carbs. If you strip a carb body banjo bolt thread, easy to install a 7/16" BSF Helicoil to repair the thread. So there you are, obviously not of interest to the concours crowd because of minor differences in numbers , but the parts fit and can help to keep an MG MMM car on the road. This may be old news to many MMM owners but it came as a pleasant revelation to me to see that modern carb parts would work on a J2. Trust this is of interest and use to the J2 restorer and hope we see him at Concord NH. He has been working on the car 56 years, must be a record. Next longest J2 restoration is my friend Brian Hingston who has been working on his J2 since about 1965. Followed by my J2 work in slow progress since about 1980. What is it they used to sing in the Fifties "We Shall Overcome"". Bob Grunau. Guys, I'm trying to help a 90 year old gentleman finish up the restoration of a J2 he has owned since 1949! He started the restoration in 1953 and is nearly finished. I know that if he had just started a year earlier he would be finished by now but he really hopes to be able to get it to GoF in Concord NH in June but needs a pair of original dashpot pistons or a complete matched set of dashpots & pistons. Anyone out there have a good set they are willing to part with??? Cheers, Chris Nowlan From clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 30 08:15:23 2009 From: clive.sherriff at ntlworld.com (Clive Sherriff) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:15:23 +0100 Subject: [Mg-mmm] Nice copy of Combat by Barry Lyndon 1st Edition References: Message-ID: <866DAE20D50E460DB86CA08CA33F5BEF@cypress> Nice copy of Combat by Barry Lyndon 1st Edition A local shop's used book section has a nice copy of 'Combat' by Barry Lyndon 1933 first edition. It's very clean, no dustjacket. # 65.00 is the asking price. Contact me off line if interested Clive