From mark at bradakis.com Tue Mar 12 23:21:14 2013 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:21:14 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Forums Message-ID: <51400CCA.9060509@bradakis.com> I have fixed the problem with new registrations for the forums [ link below ] so those who are not already registered can sign up. mjb. From BWANA343 at aol.com Tue Mar 26 12:40:57 2013 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 14:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Towing ( near LSR ) Message-ID: <2ce71.ed8aec3.3e8345b9@aol.com> I already posted this on a new Landracing Forum, but wanted everybody to see it.....Thanks ! Does anybody have a grip on what the actual realistic capacity for both towing AND carrying passengers/gear on/in a Crew type pick up or Suburban type rig? All the manufacturer ads tout towing capacity and also passengers and gear, but not specifically if you could actually load up both to those claims. An extreme example would be a six passenger crew cab, loaded bed, and whatever the maximum advertised towing capacity. Tongue weight is recommended like around 10%, so some of the biggest tow capacities around 16K would suggest 1600 lbs on the tongue. If it's a crew, that's six @ over 150 lbs @, and the actual rolling towed trailer. That's 2500 lbs, plus, carried and a lot of rolling pull. I'd assume it's either passengers and stuff, or the tow, not both. Whaddya you think? From benn at sonic.net Tue Mar 26 17:23:18 2013 From: benn at sonic.net (Benn) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:23:18 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Towing ( near LSR ) In-Reply-To: <2ce71.ed8aec3.3e8345b9@aol.com> References: <2ce71.ed8aec3.3e8345b9@aol.com> Message-ID: <002201ce2a78$e6843830$b38ca890$@sonic.net> There is a GCW (gross combined weight) as well as GVW for each hauling-type vehicle. The GCW will give you the max total mass including trailer, load, passengers, and air in the cab. The GVW will give you the max allowed in the vehicle itself, including load, passengers, etc. So as you add load to the truck/towing vehicle, it must be reduced accordingly on the trailer to avoid exceeding the GCW. You can NOT load up to the max on the GVW and then pretend the load isn't there when calculating the allowable trailer weight. Benn -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BWANA343 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:41 AM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] Towing ( near LSR ) I already posted this on a new Landracing Forum, but wanted everybody to see it.....Thanks ! Does anybody have a grip on what the actual realistic capacity for both towing AND carrying passengers/gear on/in a Crew type pick up or Suburban type rig? All the manufacturer ads tout towing capacity and also passengers and gear, but not specifically if you could actually load up both to those claims. An extreme example would be a six passenger crew cab, loaded bed, and whatever the maximum advertised towing capacity. Tongue weight is recommended like around 10%, so some of the biggest tow capacities around 16K would suggest 1600 lbs on the tongue. If it's a crew, that's six @ over 150 lbs @, and the actual rolling towed trailer. That's 2500 lbs, plus, carried and a lot of rolling pull. I'd assume it's either passengers and stuff, or the tow, not both. Whaddya you think? _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/benn at sonic.net From mikebrakel at verizon.net Tue Mar 26 17:34:50 2013 From: mikebrakel at verizon.net (Mike Brakel) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 19:34:50 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Towing ( near LSR ) In-Reply-To: <2ce71.ed8aec3.3e8345b9@aol.com> References: <2ce71.ed8aec3.3e8345b9@aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01ce2a7a$83dbcd40$8b9367c0$@verizon.net> It's both, weight carried on the tow vehicle and towed trailer weight. Tires may be the limiting safety factor. My 2010 F250 Crew Cab has a "tire load data" sticker on the door frame along with the gross vehicle weight rating sticker. According to the tire sticker my truck's maximum carry capacity is 2,009 lbs. Look through your manual for an explanation of the GVWR. There will also be a limit to the weight you can tow. Look for a trailer towing table in your manual. Among other factors, trailer weight limits will be based on type of truck (i.e.: F250, F350), axle ration, etc. My manual says I can tow 10,659 lbs, maximum. So you can see if I have 1,500 lb tongue weight I can only add 509 lbs to the truck and my trailer can't weigh more than 10,659 lbs. Mike Brakel 80 Theory ECTA: MPS-G 1650/4 215.500 MPH LTA: MPS-G 3000/4 225.300 MPH SCTA: MPS-G 1650 218.023 MPH > -----Original Message----- > From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BWANA343 at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:41 PM > To: land-speed at autox.team.net > Subject: [Land-speed] Towing ( near LSR ) > > I already posted this on a new Landracing Forum, but wanted everybody to > see it.....Thanks ! > > Does anybody have a grip on what the actual realistic capacity for both > towing AND carrying passengers/gear on/in a Crew type pick up or Suburban > type rig? All the manufacturer ads tout towing capacity and also passengers > and gear, but not specifically if you could actually load up both to those > claims. > An extreme example would be a six passenger crew cab, loaded bed, and > whatever the maximum advertised towing capacity. Tongue weight is > recommended like around 10%, so some of the biggest tow capacities > around 16K would suggest 1600 lbs on the tongue. If it's a crew, that's six @ > over 150 lbs @, and the actual rolling towed trailer. That's 2500 lbs, plus, > carried and a lot of rolling pull. I'd assume it's either passengers and stuff, or > the tow, not both. > Whaddya you think? From mikebrakel at verizon.net Wed Mar 27 06:49:57 2013 From: mikebrakel at verizon.net (Mike Brakel) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:49:57 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Towing ( near LSR ) In-Reply-To: <002201ce2a78$e6843830$b38ca890$@sonic.net> References: <2ce71.ed8aec3.3e8345b9@aol.com> <002201ce2a78$e6843830$b38ca890$@sonic.net> Message-ID: <000901ce2ae9$980fec50$c82fc4f0$@verizon.net> Benn is correct. My answer was not so correct (senior moment!). Keep in mind that it's possible to overload the truck and still be below the combined gross weight. It's also possible to be over the combined gross weight without over loading the truck. Mike Brakel > -----Original Message----- > From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Benn > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:23 PM > To: BWANA343 at aol.com; land-speed at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Towing ( near LSR ) > > There is a GCW (gross combined weight) as well as GVW for each hauling- > type vehicle. The GCW will give you the max total mass including trailer, load, > passengers, and air in the cab. The GVW will give you the max allowed in > the vehicle itself, including load, passengers, etc. So as you add load > to the truck/towing vehicle, it must be reduced accordingly on the trailer to > avoid exceeding the GCW. You can NOT load up to the max on the GVW and > then pretend the load isn't there when calculating the allowable trailer > weight. > Benn > > -----Original Message----- > From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > BWANA343 at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:41 AM > To: land-speed at autox.team.net > Subject: [Land-speed] Towing ( near LSR ) > > I already posted this on a new Landracing Forum, but wanted everybody to > see it.....Thanks ! > > Does anybody have a grip on what the actual realistic capacity for both > towing AND carrying passengers/gear on/in a Crew type pick up or Suburban > type rig? All the manufacturer ads tout towing capacity and also passengers > and gear, but not specifically if you could actually load up both to those > claims. > An extreme example would be a six passenger crew cab, loaded bed, and > whatever the maximum advertised towing capacity. Tongue weight is > recommended like around 10%, so some of the biggest tow capacities > around 16K would suggest 1600 lbs on the tongue. If it's a crew, that's six @ > over > 150 lbs @, and the actual rolling towed trailer. That's 2500 lbs, plus, carried > and a lot of rolling pull. I'd assume it's either passengers and stuff, or the > tow, not both. > Whaddya you think? From saltfever at comcast.net Wed Mar 27 14:18:14 2013 From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:18:14 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Towing ( near LSR ) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001ce2b28$369677c0$a3c36740$@net> There are two values to pay attention to for safe towing. The combined weight limit is largely concerned with the ability of the braking system to safely stop the total mass at some speed (other issues left out for simplicity). In addition, all towing vehicles have front axle limits which are concerned with steering control. Front axle weight is significantly influenced by the type of trailer hitch set-up. Weight distribution hitches allow greater trailer weight because they tend to load the front axle. Other hitch styles unload the front axle. Combined weight AND front axle weight are BOTH limited. It is not ''either/or''. -Kirk. ---------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:23:18 -0700, From: "Benn" There is a GCW (gross combined weight) as well as GVW for each hauling-type vehicle. The GCW will give you the max total mass including trailer, load, passengers, and air in the cab. The GVW will give you the max allowed in the vehicle itself, including load, passengers, etc. From jlsell at sellenterprisesllc.com Thu Mar 28 12:28:40 2013 From: jlsell at sellenterprisesllc.com (James Sell) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:28:40 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Land-speed Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17D56BED0AC04625A335EB0449A390AE@LAPTOP> It is always good to hear from you guys keep it going. I am as you guys a speedster. Jim -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of land-speed-request at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 2:00 PM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: Land-speed Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 Send Land-speed mailing list submissions to land-speed at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to land-speed-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at land-speed-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Land-speed digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Towing ( near LSR ) (Kirkwood) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:18:14 -0700 From: "Kirkwood" To: "land-speed" Subject: [Land-speed] Towing ( near LSR ) Message-ID: <000001ce2b28$369677c0$a3c36740$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There are two values to pay attention to for safe towing. The combined weight limit is largely concerned with the ability of the braking system to safely stop the total mass at some speed (other issues left out for simplicity). In addition, all towing vehicles have front axle limits which are concerned with steering control. Front axle weight is significantly influenced by the type of trailer hitch set-up. Weight distribution hitches allow greater trailer weight because they tend to load the front axle. Other hitch styles unload the front axle. Combined weight AND front axle weight are BOTH limited. It is not ''either/or''. -Kirk. ---------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:23:18 -0700, From: "Benn" There is a GCW (gross combined weight) as well as GVW for each hauling-type vehicle. The GCW will give you the max total mass including trailer, load, passengers, and air in the cab. The GVW will give you the max allowed in the vehicle itself, including load, passengers, etc. ------------------------------ Land-speed at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed End of Land-speed Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 **************************************** From yesford at clear.net.nz Thu Mar 28 13:10:59 2013 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris R Harris) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 08:10:59 +1300 Subject: [Land-speed] Land-speed Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <17D56BED0AC04625A335EB0449A390AE@LAPTOP> References: <17D56BED0AC04625A335EB0449A390AE@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <68CC6106D48948539B0383B29C484984@HarrisPC> > It is always good to hear from you guys keep it going. I am as you guys a > speedster. > Jim Fully agree Jim, our list too quiet these days, I enjoy the contact. We'll be back for SpeedWeek..................can't wait. Chris Harris.............New Zealand. From saltrcr at yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 15:44:47 2013 From: saltrcr at yahoo.com (gene barbee) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 14:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Land-speed Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <68CC6106D48948539B0383B29C484984@HarrisPC> References: <17D56BED0AC04625A335EB0449A390AE@LAPTOP> <68CC6106D48948539B0383B29C484984@HarrisPC> Message-ID: <1364507087.33900.YahooMailNeo@web162402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Chris Are you going to bonneville this year? This may be our last year as we are going to put our car up for sale. Gene Barbee ________________________________ From: Chris R Harris To: James Sell ; land-speed at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Land-speed Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 > It is always good to hear from you guys keep it going. I am as you guys a > speedster. > Jim Fully agree Jim, our list too quiet these days, I enjoy the contact. We'll be back for SpeedWeek..................can't wait. Chris Harris.............New Zealand. _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/saltrcr at yahoo.com