From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Sun May  1 06:42:19 2011
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 05:42:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] 3
Message-ID: <269091.42861.qm@web113817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Are you satisfied with your sexual activity?.. http://news-trial.com/page.php?mPage=94ma6

From NT788 at comcast.net  Sun May  1 15:40:37 2011
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 21:40:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] times they are a changing
In-Reply-To: <1898547402.4709049.1304285203617.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <474551559.4709582.1304286037478.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Rich

Do they have a document that says a blown hemi in a model T roadster is a
documented, safe, crash proof way to design a vehicle?B 

TheB official statement,follows


Jack, I know you have been working on this for a few months now and would like
an different outcome but as of now there is no data to supportB  the safety of
the driver/rider in that position. B Therefore, until you can provide
documentation to support your theory that this prone position is safe for the
driver/rider the 5050 will remain red tagged.


Sincerely,


Van Butler


Motorcycle Committee Chair

Note; prone /forward control is allowed in sidecar class, that has no
structural protection,padding or restraint belts. When the said items are
added to a streamliner it becomes illegal!

What does this sound like?

Jack




----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
To: NT788 at comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2011 1:26:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] times they are a changing



Do you have a defina tion of B "official published document"? Depending on
just how "Official" it needs to be, maybe we can come up with something.B  RF





From: "NT788 at comcast.net" <NT788 at comcast.net>
To: Dave Dahlgren <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
Cc: "Bassano Jr., Dennis" <dmbassano at comcast.net>; land-speed at autox.team.net;
"Hunter, Erin" <ehunter at comscore.com>; "Balogi, H.Alex"
<h.balogi at sbcglobal.net>; "Cunha, Tim" <roadsterswap at gmail.com>; "bilton,
nick" <blu_hole at hotmail.com>; "buchta, Sheri" <willieworld at hotmail.com>;
"Bassano Sr., Dennis" <drbassano at gmail.com>; "attebury, ronnie"
<atteburystreetrods at comcast.net>; "belich, peter" <p_belich at yahoo.com>;
"burkland, tom" <tomb at petersen-inc.com>; Davenport <CrosleyOfKy at aol.com>;
Savage <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>; DENNEE <GVDENNEE at aol.com>; "ROCK, NICK"
<Kristine.compton at att.net>; Kirkwood <saltfever at comcast.net>; "Brading,
Michele" <4Bradings at flash.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] times they are a changing

After 6yrs. four riders and 10 records, "they" have banned (5050 Neb. IV) from
running as a sidecar."They" say I must produce an official published document
stating that laying prone forward is a crash survivable way to control a
vehicle.B

After "they" made a 6month effort with an expertB PHD document reader she
concluded that no document exists.

Which is only fair I guess.

Jack Costella

P.S does anyone know of such a document? B
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From daw1 at comcast.net  Sun May  1 16:58:47 2011
From: daw1 at comcast.net (Doug)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:58:47 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] times they are a changing
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Show them a picture of Rollie Free.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <NT788 at comcast.net>
To: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
Cc: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] times they are a changing


> Rich
>
> Do they have a document that says a blown hemi in a model T roadster is a
> documented, safe, crash proof way to design a vehicle?B
>
> TheB official statement,follows
>
>
> Jack, I know you have been working on this for a few months now and would 
> like
> an different outcome but as of now there is no data to supportB  the 
> safety of
> the driver/rider in that position. B Therefore, until you can provide
> documentation to support your theory that this prone position is safe for 
> the
> driver/rider the 5050 will remain red tagged.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Van Butler
>
>
> Motorcycle Committee Chair
>
> Note; prone /forward control is allowed in sidecar class, that has no
> structural protection,padding or restraint belts. When the said items are
> added to a streamliner it becomes illegal!
>
> What does this sound like?
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
> To: NT788 at comcast.net
> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2011 1:26:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] times they are a changing
>
>
>
> Do you have a defina tion of B "official published document"? Depending on
> just how "Official" it needs to be, maybe we can come up with something.B 
> RF
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "NT788 at comcast.net" <NT788 at comcast.net>
> To: Dave Dahlgren <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
> Cc: "Bassano Jr., Dennis" <dmbassano at comcast.net>; 
> land-speed at autox.team.net;
> "Hunter, Erin" <ehunter at comscore.com>; "Balogi, H.Alex"
> <h.balogi at sbcglobal.net>; "Cunha, Tim" <roadsterswap at gmail.com>; "bilton,
> nick" <blu_hole at hotmail.com>; "buchta, Sheri" <willieworld at hotmail.com>;
> "Bassano Sr., Dennis" <drbassano at gmail.com>; "attebury, ronnie"
> <atteburystreetrods at comcast.net>; "belich, peter" <p_belich at yahoo.com>;
> "burkland, tom" <tomb at petersen-inc.com>; Davenport <CrosleyOfKy at aol.com>;
> Savage <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>; DENNEE <GVDENNEE at aol.com>; "ROCK, NICK"
> <Kristine.compton at att.net>; Kirkwood <saltfever at comcast.net>; "Brading,
> Michele" <4Bradings at flash.net>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] times they are a changing
>
> After 6yrs. four riders and 10 records, "they" have banned (5050 Neb. IV) 
> from
> running as a sidecar."They" say I must produce an official published 
> document
> stating that laying prone forward is a crash survivable way to control a
> vehicle.B
>
> After "they" made a 6month effort with an expertB PHD document reader she
> concluded that no document exists.
>
> Which is only fair I guess.
>
> Jack Costella
>
> P.S does anyone know of such a document? B
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun May  1 13:52:58 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 12:52:58 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] times they are a changing
In-Reply-To: <224633357.4227465.1303399881364.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <224633357.4227465.1303399881364.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <B09BE291205B43FC8AD5246A24AB93A9@tiger>

Jack;

Is there any published document that says it isn't "...a crash survivable 
way to control a vehicle." Or how about a published document that says 
"laying prone backward is a crash survivable way to control a vehicle." ?

"Survivable" is a pretty nebulous term.   :)

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: <NT788 at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:31 AM
To: "Dave Dahlgren" <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
Cc: "Bassano Jr., Dennis" <dmbassano at comcast.net>; 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Hunter, Erin" <ehunter at comscore.com>; "Balogi, 
H.Alex" <h.balogi at sbcglobal.net>; "Cunha, Tim" <roadsterswap at gmail.com>; 
"bilton,nick" <blu_hole at hotmail.com>; "buchta,Sheri" 
<willieworld at hotmail.com>; "Bassano Sr.,Dennis" <drbassano at gmail.com>; 
"attebury,ronnie" <atteburystreetrods at comcast.net>; "belich,peter" 
<p_belich at yahoo.com>; "burkland,tom" <tomb at petersen-inc.com>; "Davenport" 
<CrosleyOfKy at aol.com>; "Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>; "DENNEE" 
<GVDENNEE at aol.com>; "ROCK, NICK" <Kristine.compton at att.net>; "Kirkwood" 
<saltfever at comcast.net>; "Brading, Michele" <4Bradings at flash.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] times they are a changing

> After 6yrs. four riders and 10 records, "they" have banned (5050 Neb. IV) 
> from
> running as a sidecar."They" say I must produce an official published 
> document
> stating that laying prone forward is a crash survivable way to control a
> vehicle.B
>
> After "they" made a 6month effort with an expertB PHD document reader she
> concluded that no document exists.
>
> Which is only fair I guess.
>
> Jack Costella
>
> P.S does anyone know of such a document? B
> _______________________________________________
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From NT788 at comcast.net  Mon May  2 01:55:12 2011
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 07:55:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] times they are a changing
Message-ID: <1189958794.4726681.1304322912649.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Mayf 

Just some folks trying to improve society with more rule changes! 

Jack 

Jack, who is "they". Sounds like they are full of shit whoever they 
are... 

mayf 
You wrote: 

> 
> 
> After 6yrs. four riders and 10 records, "they" have banned (5050 
Neb. IV) from 
> running as a sidecar."They" say I must produce an official 
published document 
> stating that laying prone forward is a crash survivable way to 
control a 
> vehicle.B 
> 
> After "they" made a 6month effort with an expertB PHD document 
reader she 
> concluded that no document exists. 
> 
> Which is only fair I guess. 
> 
> Jack Costella 
> 
> P.S does anyone know of such a document? B 
> _______________________________________________ 
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speed/drmayf at mayfco.com 

From race427 at aol.com  Mon May  2 21:36:14 2011
From: race427 at aol.com (race427 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 23:36:14 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Joe Mondello
Message-ID: <8CDD75A6356FF59-1EA8-D6BE@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com>

Do not know if this was already posted, sorry if it was, my pc has been
down.........  sad to report I learned from Mary Mondello today that her
husband Joe passed on April 6th after open heart surgery.

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Tue May  3 18:54:03 2011
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris R Harris)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 12:54:03 +1200
Subject: [Land-speed] Joe Mondello
In-Reply-To: <8CDD75A6356FF59-1EA8-D6BE@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CDD75A6356FF59-1EA8-D6BE@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CB7BFF0997C14AA987CBE26146431CA3@HarrisPC>

> Do not know if this was already posted, sorry if it was, my pc has been
> down.........  sad to report I learned from Mary Mondello today that her
> husband Joe passed on April 6th after open heart surgery.

Heard about it last week Tony, another true pioneer of our sport. I wrote an 
obituary for him in a local magazine I contribute to. His patented Posi-Flow 
head flow system was originally inspired of all things by watching water 
swirl away in a toilet bowl.
Dana Wilson well known, long term Bonneville personality also passed away 
recently.
Chris Harris................NZed. 

From jdincau at qnet.com  Tue May 10 18:02:55 2011
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:02:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Synthetic oil
Message-ID: <1EBF87DBD4D846BBB9803BAFC6B4516B@denpc>

Hi all,
     The literature that came with my gapless ring package cautions about 
using synthetic oils for break in. Coming from a blown alcohol background I 
am unfamiliar with this concept of "break in". This is an unblown gas engine 
with roller lifters so I am not worried about any lack of zinc. Anyone have 
any experience with gapless rings and initial start and run?
Jim in Palmdale 

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Tue May 10 19:25:09 2011
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris R Harris)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 13:25:09 +1200
Subject: [Land-speed] Synthetic oil
In-Reply-To: <1EBF87DBD4D846BBB9803BAFC6B4516B@denpc>
References: <1EBF87DBD4D846BBB9803BAFC6B4516B@denpc>
Message-ID: <1C198DE34B0D4F06BA4B96315A46307F@HarrisPC>

Jim, once again it's like 'how long is a piece of string'.
There has been endless debate on this subject, both very plausible for & 
against.
Car manufacturers put synthetic straight into new cars though plenty have 
roller cams these days.
My call..........do what the ring maker says.
Chris Harris............NZed.

> Hi all,
>     The literature that came with my gapless ring package cautions about 
> using synthetic oils for break in. Coming from a blown alcohol background 
> I am unfamiliar with this concept of "break in". This is an unblown gas 
> engine with roller lifters so I am not worried about any lack of zinc. 
> Anyone have any experience with gapless rings and initial start and run?
> Jim in Palmdale

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Tue May 10 20:42:54 2011
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 21:42:54 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Synthetic oil
In-Reply-To: <1C198DE34B0D4F06BA4B96315A46307F@HarrisPC>
References: <1EBF87DBD4D846BBB9803BAFC6B4516B@denpc>
	<1C198DE34B0D4F06BA4B96315A46307F@HarrisPC>
Message-ID: <0C9C98BC554E471E9010E71AB33860BD@VAIO>

Here is the current Mobil One data sheet on all their oils.
Regardless of Synthetic or Dino, you need a high ZDDP package - absent in
most street oils today. Consider their 0W-50 Race, or do what the ring guys
say. IMHO, once it is assembled, it is wearing out.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf
They do have a 15W-50, but it does not have as much ZDDP.

Jim Webb
Chock Full o' Nuts
AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
 
-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris R Harris
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:25 PM
To: Jim Dincau; land Speed List
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Synthetic oil

Jim, once again it's like 'how long is a piece of string'.
There has been endless debate on this subject, both very plausible for & 
against.
Car manufacturers put synthetic straight into new cars though plenty have 
roller cams these days.
My call..........do what the ring maker says.
Chris Harris............NZed.

> Hi all,
>     The literature that came with my gapless ring package cautions about 
> using synthetic oils for break in. Coming from a blown alcohol background 
> I am unfamiliar with this concept of "break in". This is an unblown gas 
> engine with roller lifters so I am not worried about any lack of zinc. 
> Anyone have any experience with gapless rings and initial start and run?
> Jim in Palmdale
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu May 12 20:57:35 2011
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 20:57:35 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] At your nearest Harbor Freight store
Message-ID: <4FE063FA-2C61-4C37-A40C-E21DB68485F7@comcast.net>

Just right for the salt:

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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu May 12 21:49:41 2011
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:49:41 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Harbor Freight
Message-ID: <BAE3F6CE-47A3-4B49-9AF1-766C16B3E8D8@comcast.net>

Attachment stripped, here's the information:

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Super coupon  11ft 4" x 18 Ft 6 " Reflective heavy duty silver tarp Now only
$19.99  Item 47676 Regular Price $29.99

From adin at frontier.net  Fri May 13 10:20:18 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 10:20:18 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] History El Mirage Colour photos from 1948-49! - THE
	H.A.M.B.
Message-ID: <3B21B07FCB5A40ED8324FBD2CD451853@ZTxp>

If you aren't working on a race car, here's some fun.


http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=445589

From bernien2 at swbell.net  Wed May  4 13:47:06 2011
From: bernien2 at swbell.net (Bernie Brown)
Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:47:06 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  The English Professor (pun,bad)
Message-ID: <162789137B454EF3A9BE2F1D68921B3A@BB>

The English Professor

An English professor was reading Canterbury Tales to his
class and noticed that one of his students had fallen
asleep. The professor was annoyed enough to send the book
spinning through the air and bounce it off the sleeper's
skull. Startled awake, the student asked what had hit him.

"That," said the professor, "was a flying Chaucer."

From rjdenton479 at gmail.com  Fri May 20 07:04:04 2011
From: rjdenton479 at gmail.com (Robert J. Denton)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 09:04:04 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Ford Flatties
Message-ID: <BANLkTimcawTDZJfsG+Muv3A5E3UXgEA9xA@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone on the list, in the Detroit area, runs a flathead Ford? I'm
trying to find a shop that works on (understands) flatheads. There is/was
Motor City (Dundee, MI)  but that's too far away. I remember there was one
in Royal Oak, MI

Any help greatly appreciated.

Bob Denton

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sun May 22 17:27:04 2011
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 17:27:04 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] OUCH!
Message-ID: <5DC72F53-4D33-42F0-961E-F9B3FCD48D1C@comcast.net>


From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sun May 22 20:07:23 2011
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 19:07:23 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OUCH!
References: <5DC72F53-4D33-42F0-961E-F9B3FCD48D1C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <15EBEDC93AB44BD695AD1B19D8E8A39C@yourat5qgaac3z>

Ouch???

Skip
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Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 16:27
Subject: [Land-speed] OUCH!


>
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Fri May 27 08:54:02 2011
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 08:54:02 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Utah snowpack totals:
Message-ID: <4436BEB1-26E7-47BB-B9E2-65AF4F4AA56A@comcast.net>

I wish they showed the Wendover, Pilot Peak area but we are expecting flooding
where we aren't already flooded.

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat May 28 18:09:50 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 18:09:50 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Thought this one worked?
Message-ID: <4DE18ECE.8010104@bradakis.com>

We shall see.

mjb.

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu May 19 09:52:43 2011
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:52:43 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] concrete canvas ... non LSR
Message-ID: <5B87145C-8E8C-4837-9FBD-FA82CC14659E@comcast.net>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13430747

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat May 28 19:48:07 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 18:48:07 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing testing, is this ting on?
Message-ID: <4DE1A5D7.60008@mayfco.com>

Am I alone in the universe of did my 5 day deodorant pad wear off?  No 
messages for quite a while...What's happening out there?

-- 
______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat May 28 20:06:27 2011
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 20:06:27 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing testing, is this ting on?
In-Reply-To: <4DE1A5D7.60008@mayfco.com>
References: <4DE1A5D7.60008@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <EEBCD3D44479477DA91707CDB77E17F1@GlenPC>

it's working

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:48 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing testing, is this ting on?


> Am I alone in the universe of did my 5 day deodorant pad wear off?  No 
> messages for quite a while...What's happening out there?
>
> -- 
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Sun May 29 11:38:44 2011
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 13:38:44 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Painting Question
Message-ID: <2205B548CF594C788DF18AE8740835F1@john>

 I'll give it a shot Mayf .

 My friend soda /glass bead blasted my streamliner frame . It varies from
 clean steel to clean mill scale .  How well does primer adhere to clean 
mill
 scale ?

 John


 Subject: [Land-speed] Testing testing, is this ting on?

From NT788 at comcast.net  Sun May 29 15:41:45 2011
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 21:41:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] Painting Question
In-Reply-To: <2205B548CF594C788DF18AE8740835F1@john>
Message-ID: <1555296383.943600.1306705305568.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Rustoleum primer works best for me.

Jack




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Subject: [Land-speed] Painting Question

B I'll give it a shot Mayf .

B My friend soda /glass bead blasted my streamliner frame . It varies from
B clean steel to clean mill scale . B How well does primer adhere to clean
mill
B scale ?

B John


B Subject: [Land-speed] Testing testing, is this ting on?
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From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Mon May 30 10:07:52 2011
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 12:07:52 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Howard
Message-ID: <9A25DE7B165845E29BEACF16EC1CD4DC@Rick>

Anyone have Howard Nofzingers current e mail address?
I have his old one and remember a change, but I didn't record it in my
mailer.

Thx
Rick

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Mon May 30 10:11:06 2011
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 12:11:06 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Memorial day
Message-ID: <172634C19E804BCC96C778CC2691A4D6@Rick>

Parade this morning, now off to a party honoring my fellow veterans.
Too bad my old uniforms don't fit now.  Some are almost 50 years old.
Wow I don't believe I just wrote that.

My best to all the veterans.  I know there are a lot of you guys.


Rick

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Mon May 30 11:23:29 2011
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 13:23:29 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Howard
In-Reply-To: <9A25DE7B165845E29BEACF16EC1CD4DC@Rick>
Message-ID: <20110530132329.8CCI5.686713.imail@fed1rmwml33>

Rick he is on facebook!!


---- Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com> wrote: 
> Anyone have Howard Nofzingers current e mail address?
> I have his old one and remember a change, but I didn't record it in my
> mailer.

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Mon May 30 15:12:37 2011
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 17:12:37 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Howard
References: <20110530132329.8CCI5.686713.imail@fed1rmwml33>
Message-ID: <95767E51B0A94796A5E05AB3C0582ED9@Rick>

I knew that, but I wanted to send a PM.
I know I can send a pm on facebook, but chose to do it this way.
Ford engineers don't always do things the easy way.  But it gets done in a 
"Brilliant" way.

Boy, isn't life wonderful! 

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Mon May 30 16:20:33 2011
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:20:33 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
Message-ID: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>

How good are Chinese grade 8 bolts ?

John

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Mon May 30 16:35:51 2011
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:35:51 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
References: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
Message-ID: <0D5808AB9C9049358E9A72EB9BC8FE3B@GlenPC>

I wouldn't use them period.
Glen
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Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts


> How good are Chinese grade 8 bolts ?
>
> John
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From daw1 at comcast.net  Mon May 30 16:37:00 2011
From: daw1 at comcast.net (Doug)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 18:37:00 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
References: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
Message-ID: <734F29F2565247D7B5874E8C0D71461D@DougPC>

Not good, a friend just had two break and his brake caliper fell off his 
hotrod while he was driving it.
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Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts


> How good are Chinese grade 8 bolts ?
>
> John
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From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Mon May 30 16:52:16 2011
From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 22:52:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] bolts
Message-ID: <1675767358.926695.1306795936030.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I was told you can't specify US made any more, only North American. 
I hope that's untrue! 

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Mon May 30 17:06:48 2011
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 17:06:48 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] bolts
In-Reply-To: <1675767358.926695.1306795936030.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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ARP is American made and the best you can buy for racing.
Glen
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Subject: [Land-speed] bolts


>I was told you can't specify US made any more, only North American.
> I hope that's untrue!
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From dahlgren536 at comcast.net  Mon May 30 17:14:49 2011
From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 19:14:49 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
References: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
Message-ID: <4FE7FA7B195349CDB12A5D248C8888E1@DaveSatellite>

>From a country with manipulated currency to a blind eye to lead paint on 
kids toys what do you think. I think they have no concience at all and could 
care less if their products end up killing someone.  This might not be the 
politically correct view but the one I have from experience. You are buying 
high tech things from a farmer makeing them in a shed and know about as much 
as I do to make kim chee as they do about heat treatung, Think ARP and just 
spend the money or make sure health and life insurance is paid up.
Dave
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Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:20 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts


> How good are Chinese grade 8 bolts ?
>
> John
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From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Mon May 30 17:32:53 2011
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 16:32:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
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Message-ID: <330674.46343.qm@web39421.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My experience is that grade markings on Chinese bolts mean nothing. They may think they are decorative. I would assume there is no such thing as a grade 8 Chinese bolt.


From: John Burk <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
To: LandSpeed List <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 3:20 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts

How good are Chinese grade 8 bolts ?

John
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From yesford at clear.net.nz  Mon May 30 18:21:40 2011
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris R Harris)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 12:21:40 +1200
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <4FE7FA7B195349CDB12A5D248C8888E1@DaveSatellite>
References: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
	<4FE7FA7B195349CDB12A5D248C8888E1@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <CAEEC9E99DCE47989FF56C1F233F0054@HarrisPC>

PC or not Dave, well put, my thoughts also.
Chris Harris...........NZed.

Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts

> From a country with manipulated currency to a blind eye to lead paint on 
> kids toys what do you think. I think they have no concience at all and 
> could care less if their products end up killing someone.  This might not 
> be the politically correct view but the one I have from experience. You 
> are buying high tech things from a farmer makeing them in a shed and know 
> about as much as I do to make kim chee as they do about heat treatung, 
> Think ARP and just spend the money or make sure health and life insurance 
> is paid up.
> Dave

From landspeed at columbus.rr.com  Mon May 30 21:03:46 2011
From: landspeed at columbus.rr.com (Don McMeekin)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 23:03:46 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Bad vibes
Message-ID: <B45DE06A-1154-4139-B23E-BADD021290D1@columbus.rr.com>

Anyone silly enough to cut an engine in half should probably expect  
to encounter some "unusual" problems along the way. During a recent  
dyno pull, our half Windsor (3 liter inline four) sheared off all six  
Locktite secured 7/16" ARP flywheel bolts, and almost welded the  
flywheel to the crank. Seems that we have a harmonic vibration  
problem that has created more force than our system can tolerate.  
So.......... we probably need to strengthen the parts and reduce the  
"bad vibes".

The most obvious action would be to strengthen the parts by  
increasing the bolt diameter, adding some dowels, and making sure  
that everything fits. Reducing the the force could be a little more  
difficult.  The balancer (cheapo fluid type) is clearly not up to the  
task and should to be upgraded to something more in tune with this  
engine's harmonic characteristics.  I really don't have any  
experience in this area and would  greatly appreciate any thoughts  
that list members would care to share.

                  Thanks, Don

From jdincau at qnet.com  Mon May 30 21:55:01 2011
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 20:55:01 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bad vibes
In-Reply-To: <B45DE06A-1154-4139-B23E-BADD021290D1@columbus.rr.com>
References: <B45DE06A-1154-4139-B23E-BADD021290D1@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <26D5C4E247FA481DB9D2C50421D1BCC4@denpc>

Don,
     I run a 3 liter Chevy II 4 banger with a Fontana head. I have had good 
luck (2 Speedweeks and 8  El Mirage meets) by following the instructions for 
my 10,000 RPM 2 disc clutch. That is to use stock genuine Chevrolet flex 
plate bolts with no washers and red locktite. I have no locating dowel in 
the crank flange and am amazed that it works. Understand that this is with a 
super light aluminum flywheel not a heavy steel dyno wheel. I also have a 
flat crank, if you are using a V-8 crank your mileage may vary.
    I agree that a four can have strange harmonics. I have noticed some 
fretting between the camshaft OD and the inside of it's keyed drive flange 
and the timing pointer seems to be touching the crank hub in two places on 
the OD. This is with about 1/16" static clearance on the pointer. I could 
not find a harmonic damper that would clear the Fontana gear drive and cover 
so I have not been running one.
      Another problem I had was starter drive sprags, I destroyed a heavy 
duty Summit starter the first time I tried to start it. Tilton told me to 
use their pro stock starter and a 16 volt battery. A four with 14/1 
compression and 31 degrees in the mag is hard on the starter. Against Don 
Zig's advice I also put a mechanical start retard in the mag base (he 
doesn't like them), it worked but I suspect it made the timing scatter a 
little. We have switched to an MSD ignition with start retard (and a rev 
limiter), next month at El Mirage I will find out if it helps. I hope this 
helps you.
Jim Dincau

> Anyone silly enough to cut an engine in half should probably expect  to 
> encounter some "unusual" problems along the way. During a recent  dyno 
> pull, our half Windsor (3 liter inline four) sheared off all six  Locktite 
> secured 7/16" ARP flywheel bolts, and almost welded the  flywheel to the 
> crank. Seems that we have a harmonic vibration  problem that has created 
> more force than our system can tolerate.  So.......... we probably need to 
> strengthen the parts and reduce the  "bad vibes".
>
> The most obvious action would be to strengthen the parts by  increasing 
> the bolt diameter, adding some dowels, and making sure  that everything 
> fits. Reducing the the force could be a little more  difficult.  The 
> balancer (cheapo fluid type) is clearly not up to the  task and should to 
> be upgraded to something more in tune with this  engine's harmonic 
> characteristics.  I really don't have any  experience in this area and 
> would  greatly appreciate any thoughts  that list members would care to 
> share.
>
>                  Thanks, Don

From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon May 30 22:13:14 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 21:13:14 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
References: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
Message-ID: <214FD94EFEF74111A7FEA3CE272CC591@tiger>

With two, you get egg roll. :)

Seriously, would you trust your life to Chinese "Grade 8" fasteners?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 3:20 PM
To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts

> How good are Chinese grade 8 bolts ?
>
> John
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon May 30 22:14:18 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 21:14:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <4FE7FA7B195349CDB12A5D248C8888E1@DaveSatellite>
References: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
	<4FE7FA7B195349CDB12A5D248C8888E1@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <8A72E1D297A14101A8030545F4DBCEBE@tiger>

I'd find some surplus AN/MS/NAS fasteners.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dave Dahlgren" <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:14 PM
To: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>; "LandSpeed List" 
<Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts

> From a country with manipulated currency to a blind eye to lead paint on 
> kids toys what do you think. I think they have no concience at all and 
> could care less if their products end up killing someone.  This might not 
> be the politically correct view but the one I have from experience. You 
> are buying high tech things from a farmer makeing them in a shed and know 
> about as much as I do to make kim chee as they do about heat treatung, 
> Think ARP and just spend the money or make sure health and life insurance 
> is paid up.
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
> To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:20 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
>
>
>> How good are Chinese grade 8 bolts ?
>>
>> John
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon May 30 22:22:00 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 21:22:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bad vibes
In-Reply-To: <B45DE06A-1154-4139-B23E-BADD021290D1@columbus.rr.com>
References: <B45DE06A-1154-4139-B23E-BADD021290D1@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <63E5691A702D4DAEA4A3CB97CBAF1A0A@tiger>

Don;

Back when JW/Gulf Racing was running the Ford GT40 Le Mans program, they 
used a Cosworth V8 with a 180 degree crank. The first few laps at a test 
track were run and the driver brought the car into the pit. In answer to the 
question "How many RPM were you turning?", the driver simply pointed to the 
tach-- the needle has shaken loose and was lying at the bottom of the glass. 
All the other instruments were in the same sorry state. The vibration was so 
severe that something broke almost every time the car was run.

An in-line 6 is inherently in balance but an in-line 4 is not. You have your 
work cut out for you.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Don McMeekin" <landspeed at columbus.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:03 PM
To: "LSR LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Bad vibes

> Anyone silly enough to cut an engine in half should probably expect  to 
> encounter some "unusual" problems along the way. During a recent  dyno 
> pull, our half Windsor (3 liter inline four) sheared off all six  Locktite 
> secured 7/16" ARP flywheel bolts, and almost welded the  flywheel to the 
> crank. Seems that we have a harmonic vibration  problem that has created 
> more force than our system can tolerate.  So.......... we probably need to 
> strengthen the parts and reduce the  "bad vibes".
>
> The most obvious action would be to strengthen the parts by  increasing 
> the bolt diameter, adding some dowels, and making sure  that everything 
> fits. Reducing the the force could be a little more  difficult.  The 
> balancer (cheapo fluid type) is clearly not up to the  task and should to 
> be upgraded to something more in tune with this  engine's harmonic 
> characteristics.  I really don't have any  experience in this area and 
> would  greatly appreciate any thoughts  that list members would care to 
> share.
>
>                  Thanks, Don

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon May 30 22:34:05 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 21:34:05 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <8A72E1D297A14101A8030545F4DBCEBE@tiger>
References: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
	<4FE7FA7B195349CDB12A5D248C8888E1@DaveSatellite>
	<8A72E1D297A14101A8030545F4DBCEBE@tiger>
Message-ID: <4DE46FBD.6060603@mayfco.com>

Aircraft Spruce has AN/NAS bolts.  McMaster Carr has some in small sizes.

mayf

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 5/30/2011 9:14 PM, Neil Albaugh wrote:
> I'd find some surplus AN/MS/NAS fasteners.
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dave Dahlgren" <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 4:14 PM
> To: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>; "LandSpeed List" 
> <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
>
>> From a country with manipulated currency to a blind eye to lead paint 
>> on kids toys what do you think. I think they have no concience at all 
>> and could care less if their products end up killing someone.  This 
>> might not be the politically correct view but the one I have from 
>> experience. You are buying high tech things from a farmer makeing 
>> them in a shed and know about as much as I do to make kim chee as 
>> they do about heat treatung, Think ARP and just spend the money or 
>> make sure health and life insurance is paid up.
>> Dave
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
>> To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:20 PM
>> Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
>>
>>
>>> How good are Chinese grade 8 bolts ?
>>>
>>> John
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue May 31 00:12:32 2011
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 00:12:32 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Boys of Bonneville
Message-ID: <E9061029-71F4-4EFB-8DDB-7978FC465193@comcast.net>

John Price has produced a movie about Ab and Marv Jenkins and the Mormon
Meteor.  Price bought the Meteor III from Marv Jenkins and had the Curtiss
Conqueror engine in the car restored to full running condition.  When the
Price Museum of Speed in Salt Lake City is open to the public the Meteor III
will be the central exhibit.  John also owns the Al Teague streamliner, the
Teague, Sadd, Bentley roadster and quite a few important racing cars from the
early days of racing up to today.  The hour and twenty minute video is
available from Ellen Wilkinson at the USFRA  web site for $20.  It's worth the
dollars.  For a gearhead it is better than World's Fastest Indian.  There's
lots of vintage film footage (likely from newsreels) shot on the salt.
There's also some recent interview footage that is good of people personally
involved in the mechanical restoration and from the Duesenberg Museum and the
Smithsonian.  I'd recommend it highly for the accurate information in the
video.  A nice tribute to Ab and Marv and their contemporaries

From saltfever at comcast.net  Tue May 31 03:04:50 2011
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 02:04:50 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
Message-ID: <0FDCBA639B964AF8A12ED6D39081AF34@dim8100>

Order all fasteners from Aircraft Spruce and have some peace of mind.
Counterfeiting of foreign fasteners is so widespread you don't have the
resources to filter good from bad. 

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Tue May 31 09:16:56 2011
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 11:16:56 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
Message-ID: <52FA6A69B81B4AC4B65CCFAD6855B263@Rick>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
To: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts


> What Dave Said.
> Doubled in Spades!
> and
> ARP only.  As far as I'm concerned all other fasteners are made in the far 
> east.
> Regardless of who markets them, since there is no way of identifying 
> origin, buy from someone we know and trust.
> Not exactly the cheapest, but I never worry about failure if used 
> properly. I have special ordered bastard size  studs a number of years 
> ago, and found the folks at ARP really good to work with.
>
>
> NO they are not a sponsor. 

From calkins at camspray.com  Tue May 31 09:44:01 2011
From: calkins at camspray.com (Justin Calkins)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 10:44:01 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <52FA6A69B81B4AC4B65CCFAD6855B263@Rick>
Message-ID: <NAEOLNAEBLFDDCMCNIKCKEIACKAA.calkins@camspray.com>

What about Milodon?  A few years back, I remember going thru the catalog and
seeing a good amount of stud kits from them.  I've never used them, so I am
unsure of the quality.

Justin Calkins


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Rick Byrnes
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:17 AM
To: land Speed List
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Chinese Bolts


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
To: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts


> What Dave Said.
> Doubled in Spades!
> and
> ARP only.  As far as I'm concerned all other fasteners are made in the far
> east.
> Regardless of who markets them, since there is no way of identifying
> origin, buy from someone we know and trust.
> Not exactly the cheapest, but I never worry about failure if used
> properly. I have special ordered bastard size  studs a number of years
> ago, and found the folks at ARP really good to work with.
>
>
> NO they are not a sponsor.
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue May 31 09:59:08 2011
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 09:59:08 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <NAEOLNAEBLFDDCMCNIKCKEIACKAA.calkins@camspray.com>
References: <NAEOLNAEBLFDDCMCNIKCKEIACKAA.calkins@camspray.com>
Message-ID: <112ECD1839C34ED4B1C3762475B13D3D@GlenPC>

ARP is the best for racing, Why fight it. The cost is worth the piece of 
mind and they work,
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Calkins" <calkins at camspray.com>
To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Chinese Bolts


> What about Milodon?  A few years back, I remember going thru the catalog 
> and
> seeing a good amount of stud kits from them.  I've never used them, so I 
> am
> unsure of the quality.
>
> Justin Calkins
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Rick Byrnes
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:17 AM
> To: land Speed List
> Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Chinese Bolts
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
> To: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
>
>
>> What Dave Said.
>> Doubled in Spades!
>> and
>> ARP only.  As far as I'm concerned all other fasteners are made in the 
>> far
>> east.
>> Regardless of who markets them, since there is no way of identifying
>> origin, buy from someone we know and trust.
>> Not exactly the cheapest, but I never worry about failure if used
>> properly. I have special ordered bastard size  studs a number of years
>> ago, and found the folks at ARP really good to work with.
>>
>>
>> NO they are not a sponsor.
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Tue May 31 10:42:24 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 09:42:24 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <52FA6A69B81B4AC4B65CCFAD6855B263@Rick>
References: <52FA6A69B81B4AC4B65CCFAD6855B263@Rick>
Message-ID: <EE3A2291191347D5B8863AF784FDE3F0@tiger>

I lost a lot of confidence in ARP when I found one nut in the ARP package 
that had no threads!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:16 AM
To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
> To: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
>
>
>> What Dave Said.
>> Doubled in Spades!
>> and
>> ARP only.  As far as I'm concerned all other fasteners are made in the 
>> far east.
>> Regardless of who markets them, since there is no way of identifying 
>> origin, buy from someone we know and trust.
>> Not exactly the cheapest, but I never worry about failure if used 
>> properly. I have special ordered bastard size  studs a number of years 
>> ago, and found the folks at ARP really good to work with.
>>
>>
>> NO they are not a sponsor.
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From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Tue May 31 10:54:23 2011
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 09:54:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Bad vibes
In-Reply-To: <63E5691A702D4DAEA4A3CB97CBAF1A0A@tiger>
References: <B45DE06A-1154-4139-B23E-BADD021290D1@columbus.rr.com>
	<63E5691A702D4DAEA4A3CB97CBAF1A0A@tiger>
Message-ID: <901609.66534.qm@web39422.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My and other GMC inline six cylinder engines were pretty good at doing the
same thing. Mine seemed to want to weld to the flywheel at the drags. Not at
Bonneville. I could only guess that the rate of acceleration somehow caused
the crank to flex more that when the RPM came up more slowly on the salt.
From: Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: LSR LSR
<land-speed at autox.team.net>; Don McMeekin <landspeed at columbus.rr.com>
Sent:
Monday, May 30, 2011 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Bad vibes

Don;

Back
when JW/Gulf Racing was running the Ford GT40 Le Mans program, they used a
Cosworth V8 with a 180 degree crank. The first few laps at a test track were
run and the driver brought the car into the pit. In answer to the question
"How many RPM were you turning?", the driver simply pointed to the tach-- the
needle has shaken loose and was lying at the bottom of the glass. All the
other instruments were in the same sorry state. The vibration was so severe
that something broke almost every time the car was run.

An in-line 6 is
inherently in balance but an in-line 4 is not. You have your work cut out for
you.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Don McMeekin"
<landspeed at columbus.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:03 PM
To: "LSR LSR"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Bad vibes

> Anyone silly
enough to cut an engine in half should probably expect  to encounter some
"unusual" problems along the way. During a recent  dyno pull, our half Windsor
(3 liter inline four) sheared off all six  Locktite secured 7/16" ARP flywheel
bolts, and almost welded the  flywheel to the crank. Seems that we have a
harmonic vibration  problem that has created more force than our system can
tolerate.  So.......... we probably need to strengthen the parts and reduce
the  "bad vibes".
> 
> The most obvious action would be to strengthen the
parts by  increasing the bolt diameter, adding some dowels, and making sure 
that everything fits. Reducing the the force could be a little more 
difficult.  The balancer (cheapo fluid type) is clearly not up to the  task
and should to be upgraded to something more in tune with this  engine's
harmonic characteristics.  I really don't have any  experience in this area
and would  greatly appreciate any thoughts  that list members would care to
share.
> 
>                  Thanks, Don
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From jet at pistonsandrods.com  Tue May 31 11:21:40 2011
From: jet at pistonsandrods.com (Jet Fuel)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 10:21:40 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <4DE46FBD.6060603@mayfco.com>
References: <70E1723F3D6F4CBA9E9B8F3B93D2C89D@john>
	<4FE7FA7B195349CDB12A5D248C8888E1@DaveSatellite>
	<8A72E1D297A14101A8030545F4DBCEBE@tiger> <4DE46FBD.6060603@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikpgBFBJ22gtzmer9YT_oxA4JGYqg@mail.gmail.com>

Fitting to this conversation:

http://www.gizchina.com/2011/04/09/knock-off-500-gb-hard-drive-nuts-steel/

The Chinese have zero regard for both quality and honesty.

- The other Glen

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Tue May 31 12:18:45 2011
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:18:45 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Bad vibes
Message-ID: <78D6B42CBB624C47B42DA4117EC0E70A@john>

Don

Custom 180 deg crank or Ford 90 deg ? 90 deg would give non-symmetrical 
firing spacing . 292 Chevy 6 drag engines shake flywheels loose  but Ford 
300 6s don't because of compatible / incompatible crankshaft harmonic 
frequencies . Small dia multi disc clutch would help . Some Chevy racers use 
tapered shank flywheel bolts and  holes .





> Anyone silly enough to cut an engine in half should probably expect  to 
> encounter some "unusual" problems along the way. During a recent  dyno 
> pull, our half Windsor (3 liter inline four) sheared off all six  Locktite 
> secured 7/16" ARP flywheel bolts, and almost welded the  flywheel to the 
> crank. Seems that we have a harmonic vibration  problem that has created 
> more force than our system can tolerate.  So.......... we probably need to 
> strengthen the parts and reduce the  "bad vibes".
>
> The most obvious action would be to strengthen the parts by  increasing 
> the bolt diameter, adding some dowels, and making sure  that everything 
> fits. Reducing the the force could be a little more  difficult.  The 
> balancer (cheapo fluid type) is clearly not up to the  task and should to 
> be upgraded to something more in tune with this  engine's harmonic 
> characteristics.  I really don't have any  experience in this area and 
> would  greatly appreciate any thoughts  that list members would care to 
> share.
>
>                  Thanks, Don

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Tue May 31 14:55:31 2011
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 13:55:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bad vibes
References: <B45DE06A-1154-4139-B23E-BADD021290D1@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BF24F333881F4A24B56CD537FF62E669@mydf7618c59bbf>

Don, Make sure threads are not aganst the flywheel and shoulder of the bolt 
is. I use Pontiac flywheel bolts on my GMC because of this. They need to be 
shortened and the heads made thinner. I do this by grinding. Until I 
installed 3 3/8' dowels I had some of the problems you described. The dowels 
elimenated the problem..Good Luck

Subject: [Land-speed] Bad vibes


> Anyone silly enough to cut an engine in half should probably expect  to 
> encounter some "unusual" problems along the way. During a recent  dyno 
> pull, our half Windsor (3 liter inline four) sheared off all six  Locktite 
> secured 7/16" ARP flywheel bolts, and almost welded the  flywheel to the 
> crank. Seems that we have a harmonic vibration  problem that has created 
> more force than our system can tolerate.  So.......... we probably need to 
> strengthen the parts and reduce the  "bad vibes".

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue May 31 15:37:28 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 14:37:28 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <EE3A2291191347D5B8863AF784FDE3F0@tiger>
References: <52FA6A69B81B4AC4B65CCFAD6855B263@Rick>
	<EE3A2291191347D5B8863AF784FDE3F0@tiger>
Message-ID: <4DE55F98.8000406@mayfco.com>

Yeah, ain't they a booger to screw on...

I had a main cap stud come the same way..no external threads.

______________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 5/31/2011 9:42 AM, Neil Albaugh wrote:
> I lost a lot of confidence in ARP when I found one nut in the ARP 
> package that had no threads!
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:16 AM
> To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Byrnes" 
>> <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
>> To: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
>>
>>
>>> What Dave Said.
>>> Doubled in Spades!
>>> and
>>> ARP only.  As far as I'm concerned all other fasteners are made in 
>>> the far east.
>>> Regardless of who markets them, since there is no way of identifying 
>>> origin, buy from someone we know and trust.
>>> Not exactly the cheapest, but I never worry about failure if used 
>>> properly. I have special ordered bastard size  studs a number of 
>>> years ago, and found the folks at ARP really good to work with.
>>>
>>>
>>> NO they are not a sponsor.
>> _______________________________________________
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Tue May 31 16:10:58 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:10:58 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <4DE55F98.8000406@mayfco.com>
References: <52FA6A69B81B4AC4B65CCFAD6855B263@Rick><EE3A2291191347D5B8863AF784FDE3F0@tiger>
	<4DE55F98.8000406@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <C6414FB17A09432682A4B4161D942933@tiger>

Maybe the nut I had was meant to fit the main cap stud you had, Mayf.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:37 PM
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts

> Yeah, ain't they a booger to screw on...
>
> I had a main cap stud come the same way..no external threads.
>
> ______________________________
> drmayf
> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
> 204.913 mph flying mile
> 210.779 mph exit speed
>
>
> On 5/31/2011 9:42 AM, Neil Albaugh wrote:
>> I lost a lot of confidence in ARP when I found one nut in the ARP package 
>> that had no threads!
>>
>> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:16 AM
>> To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Byrnes" 
>>> <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
>>> To: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
>>>
>>>
>>>> What Dave Said.
>>>> Doubled in Spades!
>>>> and
>>>> ARP only.  As far as I'm concerned all other fasteners are made in the 
>>>> far east.
>>>> Regardless of who markets them, since there is no way of identifying 
>>>> origin, buy from someone we know and trust.
>>>> Not exactly the cheapest, but I never worry about failure if used 
>>>> properly. I have special ordered bastard size  studs a number of years 
>>>> ago, and found the folks at ARP really good to work with.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NO they are not a sponsor.
>>> _______________________________________________
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue May 31 16:28:06 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:28:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <C6414FB17A09432682A4B4161D942933@tiger>
References: <52FA6A69B81B4AC4B65CCFAD6855B263@Rick><EE3A2291191347D5B8863AF784FDE3F0@tiger>
	<4DE55F98.8000406@mayfco.com> <C6414FB17A09432682A4B4161D942933@tiger>
Message-ID: <4DE56B76.1050205@mayfco.com>

Hey, I didn't think of that!   This was a few years ago, maybe 6 or so...

______________________________
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Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
210.779 mph exit speed


On 5/31/2011 3:10 PM, Neil Albaugh wrote:
> Maybe the nut I had was meant to fit the main cap stud you had, Mayf.
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:37 PM
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
>
>> Yeah, ain't they a booger to screw on...
>>
>> I had a main cap stud come the same way..no external threads.
>>
>> ______________________________
>> drmayf
>> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
>> 204.913 mph flying mile
>> 210.779 mph exit speed
>>
>>
>> On 5/31/2011 9:42 AM, Neil Albaugh wrote:
>>> I lost a lot of confidence in ARP when I found one nut in the ARP 
>>> package that had no threads!
>>>
>>> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:16 AM
>>> To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Byrnes" 
>>>> <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
>>>> To: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:14 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chinese Bolts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What Dave Said.
>>>>> Doubled in Spades!
>>>>> and
>>>>> ARP only.  As far as I'm concerned all other fasteners are made in 
>>>>> the far east.
>>>>> Regardless of who markets them, since there is no way of 
>>>>> identifying origin, buy from someone we know and trust.
>>>>> Not exactly the cheapest, but I never worry about failure if used 
>>>>> properly. I have special ordered bastard size  studs a number of 
>>>>> years ago, and found the folks at ARP really good to work with.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NO they are not a sponsor.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From dahlgren536 at comcast.net  Tue May 31 16:28:33 2011
From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 18:28:33 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
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Come on they are made on automatic equiptment and no one touched them until 
you opened the package. If you want to pay Pentagon prices fully inspectecd 
x-rayed certified bolts are available. At the end of the day better to have 
no threads than poorly formed ones.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Neil Albaugh" <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Chinese Bolts


> Maybe the nut I had was meant to fit the main cap stud you had, Mayf.
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

From neil at dbelltech.com  Tue May 31 16:50:39 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:50:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <404DDD5052594BE68A4236F605DDBD33@DaveSatellite>
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Apparently no one inspected them, either, Dave.

Surplus mil-spec stuff is a bargain.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

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From: "Dave Dahlgren" <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:28 PM
To: "Neil Albaugh" <neil at dbelltech.com>; <drmayf at mayfco.com>; 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts

> Come on they are made on automatic equiptment and no one touched them 
> until you opened the package. If you want to pay Pentagon prices fully 
> inspectecd x-rayed certified bolts are available. At the end of the day 
> better to have no threads than poorly formed ones.
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Neil Albaugh" <neil at dbelltech.com>
> To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Chinese Bolts
>
>
>> Maybe the nut I had was meant to fit the main cap stud you had, Mayf.
>>
>> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

From neil at dbelltech.com  Tue May 31 18:51:01 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 17:51:01 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts
In-Reply-To: <CACF922070A94C70B69E25F3F12512E4@DaveSatellite>
References: <52FA6A69B81B4AC4B65CCFAD6855B263@Rick><EE3A2291191347D5B8863AF784FDE3F0@tiger><4DE55F98.8000406@mayfco.com>
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	<39700DCFCB1145DF8AFF7D755DFE0AD8@tiger>
	<CACF922070A94C70B69E25F3F12512E4@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <8FC6BAEA3BD6499998BBA77EA8BB44AA@tiger>

Mayf had the studs, I had the nuts (no smirking here)

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

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From: "Tech" <tech at enginemanagementsystems.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:26 PM
To: "Neil Albaugh" <neil at dbelltech.com>; <drmayf at mayfco.com>; 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chinese Bolts

> Then why didn't you use them for your main studs instead of the 'faulty' 
> Arp studs?
> Let me guess you would never finish in this decade because of trying to 
> find them??
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Neil Albaugh" <neil at dbelltech.com>
> To: "Dave Dahlgren" <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>; <drmayf at mayfco.com>; 
> <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Chinese Bolts
>
>
>> Apparently no one inspected them, either, Dave.
>>
>> Surplus mil-spec stuff is a bargain.
>>
>> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ