From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Mar  2 11:21:31 2011
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:21:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Need museum suggestions for Indy.
Message-ID: <72B928BF-BCB6-4415-A135-4CB4A5C4C398@comcast.net>

I'm driving from  Champaign, IL and flying out of Indianapolis next Monday
evening.  I will have a rental car I'll have to return by six.  I intend to
visit the Speedway Museum again that afternoon.  What other museums are within
a convenient driving distance?  I've done the ACD Museum in Auburn, IN a
couple of times and it's just a bit out of my way.  I would appreciate
suggestions for any other spots I should see.

From daw1 at comcast.net  Wed Mar  2 15:30:48 2011
From: daw1 at comcast.net (Doug)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 17:30:48 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Need museum suggestions for Indy.
In-Reply-To: <72B928BF-BCB6-4415-A135-4CB4A5C4C398@comcast.net>
References: <72B928BF-BCB6-4415-A135-4CB4A5C4C398@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8ACCB18F4DCE4273902A9DE68FC39F82@DougPC>

Mught be called The Museum of Transportation in Kokomo,Ind. They have about 
60 cars, and a replica of the first U.S.car, a Apperson. It's not on the 
quality of Indy or ACD, but worth a  look.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>
To: "LAND SPEED LIST" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Need museum suggestions for Indy.


> I'm driving from  Champaign, IL and flying out of Indianapolis next Monday
> evening.  I will have a rental car I'll have to return by six.  I intend 
> to
> visit the Speedway Museum again that afternoon.  What other museums are 
> within
> a convenient driving distance?  I've done the ACD Museum in Auburn, IN a
> couple of times and it's just a bit out of my way.  I would appreciate
> suggestions for any other spots I should see.
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From Askotto at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 13:30:49 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:30:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time Bonneville
	newbie?
Message-ID: <d285.12343c40.3aa2a5f9@aol.com>

Hi, Otto here.
 
I'm writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide  to 
racing Bonneville" and am doing research.  As an experienced racer  yourself, 
what main point would you like newbies to know about their first  experience 
at the salt.
 
If you want your specific quote to appear with your name getting  credits, 
be sure to include your full name in the response to _askotto at aol.com_ 
(mailto:askotto at aol.com) 
 
Thanks in advance
Otto 

From dahlgren536 at comcast.net  Fri Mar  4 14:01:36 2011
From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:01:36 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
In-Reply-To: <d285.12343c40.3aa2a5f9@aol.com>
References: <d285.12343c40.3aa2a5f9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BD1957157EB0409BADF7B5F0E80E057E@DaveSatellite>

"Askotto" please fricken spare me and everyone else. Could you get any more 
full of yourself? Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally suspect as 
qualified as I am to do open herat surgery as you are to describe how to set 
a record at Bonneville.
Be well see ya... Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Askotto at aol.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time 
Bonnevillenewbie?


> Hi, Otto here.
>
> I'm writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide  to
> racing Bonneville" and am doing research.  As an experienced racer 
> yourself,
> what main point would you like newbies to know about their first 
> experience
> at the salt.
>
> If you want your specific quote to appear with your name getting  credits,
> be sure to include your full name in the response to _askotto at aol.com_
> (mailto:askotto at aol.com)
>
> Thanks in advance
> Otto
> _______________________________________________
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Fri Mar  4 14:24:59 2011
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:24:59 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
References: <d285.12343c40.3aa2a5f9@aol.com>
	<BD1957157EB0409BADF7B5F0E80E057E@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <C13B1B6AC8A74912A09803B28BCC9DF0@edc2750afa5a84>

Yea, Dahlgren.  I'm laughing too.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Dahlgren" <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
To: <Askotto at aol.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time 
Bonnevillenewbie?


> "Askotto" please fricken spare me and everyone else. Could you get any 
> more full of yourself? Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally 
> suspect as qualified as I am to do open herat surgery as you are to 
> describe how to set a record at Bonneville.
> Be well see ya... Dave

From bernien2 at swbell.net  Fri Mar  4 14:29:52 2011
From: bernien2 at swbell.net (Bernie Brown)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:29:52 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
References: <d285.12343c40.3aa2a5f9@aol.com>
	<BD1957157EB0409BADF7B5F0E80E057E@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <B00B55D734DD4B99BB5FD5FD4A9BAF06@BB>

  Dave, a little harsh don't you think. He didn't say set a record, he said 
"racing" at Bonneville.  Bernie


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Dahlgren" <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
To: <Askotto at aol.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time 
Bonnevillenewbie?


> "Askotto" please fricken spare me and everyone else. Could you get any 
> more full of yourself? Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally 
> suspect as qualified as I am to do open herat surgery as you are to 
> describe how to set a record at Bonneville.
> Be well see ya... Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Askotto at aol.com>
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:30 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time 
> Bonnevillenewbie?
>
>
>> Hi, Otto here.
>>
>> I'm writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide  to
>> racing Bonneville" and am doing research.  As an experienced racer 
>> yourself,
>> what main point would you like newbies to know about their first 
>> experience
>> at the salt.
>>
>> If you want your specific quote to appear with your name getting 
>> credits,
>> be sure to include your full name in the response to _askotto at aol.com_
>> (mailto:askotto at aol.com)
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Otto

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  4 15:03:02 2011
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:03:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
In-Reply-To: <BD1957157EB0409BADF7B5F0E80E057E@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <229628.50194.qm@web113805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Otto,
 
You "otto" know. Relate your experience in your article and advise the readers
not to do your way.
 
DW




  

--- On Fri, 3/4/11, Dave Dahlgren <dahlgren536 at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Dave Dahlgren <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
Bonnevillenewbie?
To: Askotto at aol.com, land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 1:01 PM


"Askotto" please fricken spare me and everyone else. Could you get any more
full of yourself? Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally suspect as
qualified as I am to do open herat surgery as you are to describe how to set a
record at Bonneville.
Be well see ya... Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: <Askotto at aol.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
Bonnevillenewbie?


> Hi, Otto here.
>
> I'm writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide  to
> racing Bonneville" and am doing research.  As an experienced racer
yourself,
> what main point would you like newbies to know about their first experience
> at the salt.
>
> If you want your specific quote to appear with your name getting  credits,
> be sure to include your full name in the response to _askotto at aol.com_
> (mailto:askotto at aol.com)
>
> Thanks in advance
> Otto
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From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Fri Mar  4 15:44:24 2011
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 17:44:24 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
References: <d285.12343c40.3aa2a5f9@aol.com>
	<BD1957157EB0409BADF7B5F0E80E057E@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <7722452D197D49F991B307AA7068296C@Rick>

Lighten up Dahlgren,
He did, he learned, and he left.  No record, but the experience of doing it. 
No record but he does have the experience.
In all fairness he found out how hard it is,

period. 

From Askotto at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 22:36:16 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 00:36:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
Message-ID: <219aa.10781c36.3aa325d0@aol.com>

Dave I see you're still the biggest asshole in all of the land  speed 
world.  I'm sorry I wasted my time jumping back on the list.   May you rot in 
hell, alone!
 
 
In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:01:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
dahlgren536 at comcast.net writes:

"Askotto" please fricken spare me and everyone else. Could you get  any 
more 
full of yourself? Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally  suspect 
as 
qualified as I am to do open herat surgery as you are to  describe how to 
set 
a record at Bonneville.
Be well see ya...  Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Askotto at aol.com>
To:  <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:30  PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time  
Bonnevillenewbie?


> Hi, Otto here.
>
> I'm  writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide   to
> racing Bonneville" and am doing research.  As an experienced  racer 
> yourself,
> what main point would you like newbies to  know about their first 
> experience
> at the  salt.
>
> If you want your specific quote to appear with your name  getting  
credits,
> be sure to include your full name in the  response to _askotto at aol.com_
> (mailto:askotto at aol.com)
>
>  Thanks in advance
> Otto
>  _______________________________________________
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From Askotto at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 22:37:24 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 00:37:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
Message-ID: <21a03.53833831.3aa32614@aol.com>

fuck you asshole!!!
 
 
In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:48:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
23.weldon at comcast.net writes:

Yea,  Dahlgren.  I'm laughing too.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message  ----- 
From: "Dave Dahlgren" <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
To:  <Askotto at aol.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday,  March 04, 2011 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for  a first time 
Bonnevillenewbie?


> "Askotto" please fricken  spare me and everyone else. Could you get any 
> more full of yourself?  Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally 
> suspect as qualified  as I am to do open herat surgery as you are to 
> describe how to set a  record at Bonneville.
> Be well see ya...  Dave
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From Askotto at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 22:47:01 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 00:47:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time Bonneville
 newbie?
Message-ID: <21d80.916bb61.3aa32855@aol.com>

Thanks Don for the constructive comments.  I've been there and  raced only 
once.  I solicited the list for an experienced racers point of  view.  
Thanks to the usual attacks from the usual assholes, I'm departing  the list 
forever regretting I even jumped back on.
Otto
 
 
In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:15:00 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
landspeed at columbus.rr.com writes:

Otto,

READ THE RULE BOOK and try to talk to someone who has  been there.  
Racing a car? Don't expect to work the bugs out on  the  
salt...........; Do that at home. I've never been over  prepared  
though it would seem so before leaving for the  salt.   Common sense  
stuff I guess, but important to  consider anyway.     Don
On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:30 PM,  Askotto at aol.com wrote:

> Hi, Otto here.
>
> I'm writing  an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide  to
> racing  Bonneville" and am doing research.  As an experienced racer    
> yourself,
> what main point would you like newbies to know  about their first   
> experience
> at the  salt.
>
> If you want your specific quote to appear with your name  getting   
> credits,
> be sure to include your full  name in the response to _askotto at aol.com_
>  (mailto:askotto at aol.com)
>
> Thanks in advance
>  Otto
> _______________________________________________
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From Askotto at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 22:48:12 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 00:48:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
Message-ID: <21ddc.5e9ee406.3aa3289c@aol.com>

What's your phone number asshole.  Anybody know dahlgrins  phone number???
 
 
In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:01:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
dahlgren536 at comcast.net writes:

"Askotto" please fricken spare me and everyone else. Could you get  any 
more 
full of yourself? Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally  suspect 
as 
qualified as I am to do open herat surgery as you are to  describe how to 
set 
a record at Bonneville.
Be well see ya...  Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Askotto at aol.com>
To:  <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:30  PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time  
Bonnevillenewbie?


> Hi, Otto here.
>
> I'm  writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide   to
> racing Bonneville" and am doing research.  As an experienced  racer 
> yourself,
> what main point would you like newbies to  know about their first 
> experience
> at the  salt.
>
> If you want your specific quote to appear with your name  getting  
credits,
> be sure to include your full name in the  response to _askotto at aol.com_
> (mailto:askotto at aol.com)
>
>  Thanks in advance
> Otto
>  _______________________________________________
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From Askotto at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 23:13:06 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 01:13:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
Message-ID: <2233c.71f8059e.3aa32e71@aol.com>

Where did the record come into this?  All I asked was if the  experienced 
racers had any advise for a newbies first trip to  Bonneville.   I didn't ask 
how to set a fricken record!!!   Fricken dahlgren turned it around and took 
it off track.  I'm sorry I  wasted my time even getting back on this 
negative fricken list.
 
Just for the record, I hold the TX mile record for CG/L at 196 and  change 
and I didn't need your advise to get it.
 
screw all of you!  screw the article. let the newbies show up  and make all 
the usual mistakes that could have been avoided.  I hope  Dahlgren and 
Warner get run over by an out of control newbie!   They deserve it for all 
"their help".  I can't believe what assholes both  of them are!!!  I think I'll 
race Bonneville this year just so I can give  both of the assholes a piece of 
my mind in person, not hiding behind a computer  screen.
 
In a message dated 3/4/2011 3:44:29 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
Rick at RBMotorsports.com writes:

Lighten  up Dahlgren,
He did, he learned, and he left.  No record, but the  experience of doing 
it. 
No record but he does have the experience.
In  all fairness he found out how hard it is,

period.  

From Askotto at aol.com  Fri Mar  4 23:16:41 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 01:16:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
Message-ID: <223fc.6adf00b6.3aa32f49@aol.com>

Dave dave dave.  I'm trying to do something constructive for  the LSR 
community.  I'm writing an article to help guide newbies through  the things they 
need to do and know before they show up for their first race at  the flats. 
 I've only raced once there and was asking the experienced  racers what 
advise they would convey to the newbies.  As usual you took my  request out of c
ontext and turned it into a personal attack on me.  I must  really be a 
threat to you. Just because I'm smarter than you is no reason  to hate me.
 
 
In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:01:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
dahlgren536 at comcast.net writes:

"Askotto" please fricken spare me and everyone else. Could you get  any 
more 
full of yourself? Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally  suspect 
as 
qualified as I am to do open herat surgery as you are to  describe how to 
set 
a record at Bonneville.
Be well see ya...  Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Askotto at aol.com>
To:  <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:30  PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time  
Bonnevillenewbie?


> Hi, Otto here.
>
> I'm  writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide   to
> racing Bonneville" and am doing research.  As an experienced  racer 
> yourself,
> what main point would you like newbies to  know about their first 
> experience
> at the  salt.
>
> If you want your specific quote to appear with your name  getting  
credits,
> be sure to include your full name in the  response to _askotto at aol.com_
> (mailto:askotto at aol.com)
>
>  Thanks in advance
> Otto
>  _______________________________________________
>  Land-speed at autox.team.net
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sat Mar  5 01:02:15 2011
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 01:02:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
In-Reply-To: <223fc.6adf00b6.3aa32f49@aol.com>
References: <223fc.6adf00b6.3aa32f49@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E7BBFA7C-4D88-4FED-91D4-2592B8F887C5@comcast.net>

>> what main point would you like newbies to  know about their first
>> experience at the  salt.

      Otto,
      Keep your eyes open, your mouth shut, use all that knowledge you
      already have about racing and don't antagonize those who have
      been there, done that, made their contributions and have the
      multiple records by the racers they have helped.
      Calling people out on the list is bad form.
      Wes




On Mar 4, 2011, at 11:16 PM, Askotto at aol.com wrote:

> Dave dave dave.  I'm trying to do something constructive for  the LSR
> community.  I'm writing an article to help guide newbies through  the things
they
> need to do and know before they show up for their first race at  the flats.
> I've only raced once there and was asking the experienced  racers what
> advise they would convey to the newbies.  As usual you took my  request out
of c
> ontext and turned it into a personal attack on me.  I must  really be a
> threat to you. Just because I'm smarter than you is no reason  to hate me.
>
>
> In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:01:43 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> dahlgren536 at comcast.net writes:
>
> "Askotto" please fricken spare me and everyone else. Could you get  any
> more
> full of yourself? Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally  suspect
> as
> qualified as I am to do open herat surgery as you are to  describe how to
> set
> a record at Bonneville.
> Be well see ya...  Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Askotto at aol.com>
> To:  <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:30  PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
> Bonnevillenewbie?
>
>
>> Hi, Otto here.
>>
>> I'm  writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide   to
>> racing Bonneville" and am doing research.  As an experienced  racer
>> yourself,
>> what main point would you like newbies to  know about their first
>> experience
>> at the  salt.
>>
>> If you want your specific quote to appear with your name  getting
> credits,
>> be sure to include your full name in the  response to _askotto at aol.com_
>> (mailto:askotto at aol.com)
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Otto
>> _______________________________________________
>> Land-speed at autox.team.net
>> Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sat Mar  5 09:33:03 2011
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 08:33:03 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
In-Reply-To: <21a03.53833831.3aa32614@aol.com>
References: <21a03.53833831.3aa32614@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20110305163304.25D72187666@autox.team.net>

Nice, friendly exchange. Just what is needed for a technically oriented list.




At 09:37 PM 3/4/2011, Askotto at aol.com wrote:
>fuck you asshole!!!
>
>
>In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:48:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
>23.weldon at comcast.net writes:
>
>Yea,  Dahlgren.  I'm laughing too.
>Ed Weldon
>
>----- Original Message  -----
>From: "Dave Dahlgren" <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
>To:  <Askotto at aol.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Friday,  March 04, 2011 1:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for  a first time
>Bonnevillenewbie?
>
>
> > "Askotto" please fricken  spare me and everyone else. Could you get any
> > more full of yourself?  Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally
> > suspect as qualified  as I am to do open herat surgery as you are to
> > describe how to set a  record at Bonneville.
> > Be well see ya...  Dave
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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sat Mar  5 09:43:20 2011
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 08:43:20 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
Message-ID: <20110305164321.2E2BA187679@autox.team.net>

Nice, friendly exchange. Just what is needed for a technically oriented list.




At 09:37 PM 3/4/2011, Askotto at aol.com wrote:
>fuck you asshole!!!
>
>
>In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:48:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
>23.weldon at comcast.net writes:
>
>Yea,  Dahlgren.  I'm laughing too.
>Ed Weldon
>
>----- Original Message  -----
>From: "Dave Dahlgren" <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
>To:  <Askotto at aol.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Friday,  March 04, 2011 1:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for  a first time
>Bonnevillenewbie?
>
>
> > "Askotto" please fricken  spare me and everyone else. Could you get any
> > more full of yourself?  Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally
> > suspect as qualified  as I am to do open herat surgery as you are to
> > describe how to set a  record at Bonneville.
> > Be well see ya...  Dave

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat Mar  5 10:03:40 2011
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (GLEN BARRETT)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 10:03:40 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
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Why start another war. He ask a simple question
The name. Calling isn't needed



Z

On Mar 5, 2011 8:49 AM, "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com> wrote:

Nice, friendly exchange. Just what is needed for a technically oriented
list.






At 09:37 PM 3/4/2011, Askotto at aol.com wrote:

> >
> > fuck you asshole!!!
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:48:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
> > 23....
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Mar  5 10:08:34 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 09:08:34 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
Message-ID: <4D726E12.5010107@mayfco.com>

Wow!  This list turned instantly into an uncivil mob.  I thought that 
the land speed racer was generally one of the most pleasant and helpful 
person anywhere. The give you the shirt off your back kind of guy. Well, 
that certainly went out the window didn't it.   When he request from 
Otto, actually AskOtto, hit my desk, I wondered if that was the same 
Otto that was pummeled when he went to the salt to run his very nice 
lakester.  I chatted with him on the salt and he was actually a normal 
person. It seems that email allows us to be uncivil at a distance and 
that's bad.

When I read Otto's request, all he asked for was the experience of 
racers as source data for an article he was writing for a magazine of 
some sort. The article was to be on what a newbie should expect on his 
initial outings on the salt.  He even mentioned that if you wanted 
attribution for the information you sent, to be sure and include name 
and particulars so that you could be quoted.  There was not one thing in 
it regarding setting of records or an such.  It seemed to be a perfectly 
normal request. So what upset all of you over this request?   I have 
seen such requests from all sorts of folk on the list before and they 
were never verbally pummeled.  Here  is the request he sent:

"Hi, Otto here.
> >
> > I'm writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide to
> > racing Bonneville" and am doing research. As an experienced racer
> > yourself,
> > what main point would you like newbies to know about their first
> > experience
> > at the salt.
> >
> > If you want your specific quote to appear with your name getting
>  credits,
> >> be sure to include your full name in the response to _askotto at aol.com_
> >> (mailto:askotto at aol.com)
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >> Otto

"

The response to the request  from a number of list members makes me 
ashamed of the genre of land speed racers.  Why not simply hit the 
delete button and put it behind you?

Sheesh..

mayf

From Askotto at aol.com  Sat Mar  5 11:02:01 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 13:02:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] mag article part 2
Message-ID: <7cffb.268519d8.3aa3d499@aol.com>

Pick an  event to run.
You  have three choices of race dates at Bonneville. Speed Weeks in August
is by far  the most popular.  If you want to  experience Bonneville at its
grandest, thatbs the race to attend.  The lines will be the longest but the
tradeoff is Speed Weeks has an effervescence none of the other events have.
The September event is run by the Utah  Salt Flats Racing Assoc. and is
lower key than either of the SCTA events.  The USFRA seems to be geared more
toward  fun and the beveryday racer.b  In  addition to all SCTA classes,
they
provide classes not available with the SCTA  where you shoot for a certain
mph speed with basically your street car,  providing it passes tech.  The
World  Finals in October is the last SCTA salt event of the year.
What to  bring to the salt
In  addition to the usual bracing stuffb like tools, jacks, extra parts
etc. there  are a few things you need that you usually wouldnbt think of,
like
an  umbrella!  Not only that, but an  umbrella lady to hold it over you
when youbre in line, strapped in and waiting  for launch. You are required
to
have a CB radio in your chase vehicle so they  can yell at you if you screw
up, like driving across one of the courses. Wear  airy, loose fitting, light
colored clothes, SPF 1000 sun blocker and wide brim  hats.  Expect the sunbs
rays to  reflect off the salt and up to parts of your body that have never
seen sunburn,  till now.  Drink lots of water to  stay hydrated.  Wear clean
sox and  undies in case you crash and have to go to the hospital.
Pit  etiquette
Usually the first thing you do is claim your pit territory.  Do this by
jumping out of your truck and  pissing on the salt, kidding.  The  spots along
the return road go first as they are bringside seatsb to the  tracks.  You
MUST place a water/oil  proof tarp down first so nothing drips from your
race car onto the salt.  The cheapie blue ones held down with big  metal nails
are popular.  When  setting up bpop-upbsb, be sure to secure them to the
salt with heavy weights or  metal spikes driven deep into the salt.  Thermals
will lift them straight up and you are responsible for any  damages.  Always
remove the covers  from the frames when the pit is unattended and at night.
 You will be better liked if you keep  your pit area tidy, i.e. beer cans
in a plastic bag.  Never dump any liquids on the salt,  including blowing
chunks.

From Askotto at aol.com  Sat Mar  5 11:04:04 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 13:04:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] mag article part 3
Message-ID: <7d13f.3a6641a1.3aa3d514@aol.com>

The  challenges of passing inspection
There  seems to be a stigma about going through tech.  Itbs always a tense
ordeal, especially  on a new, first time vehicle.  In  fact they have a
special line just for new vehicles where typically they bgang  upb on you
with
more than one inspector.  The returning, pre inspected vehicles go through
the bexpress  lanesb.  Bring all your required  personal safety gear like
your firesuit, gloves, helmet, etc as you will be  required to fully suit up,
strap in your car and show you can execute an  emergency exit from the
vehicle within 10 seconds, with your eyes closed  simulating a smoke filled
cockpit.  Practice it before going to tech and always do it in the same
sequence,
 typically starting by hitting the fire bottles. You may need it someday
for  real!
Waiting  line etiquette
In  addition to concession lines they have two infamous waiting lines, the
pre-waiting line and the brealb waiting line.  You sit in the pre-stage
until they turn  you lose in groups to stand in line to actually race.  When
in line, do not take off and leave  your vehicles unattended.  When the  line
moves, you are expected to move, now.  When in line, take the time to
smooze around, meet people and ask a lot  of questions.  The bregularsb
will
respect you more if you show them you are interested in what they have to
say.  When you are reaching bthe end  of the lineb, be prepared to run
well in
advance, at least three cars.  That includes being strapped in, all  safety
gear on, fire bottle safety pins removed, etc.  Be sure a crew member tells
the starter  youbre a newbie.  Hebll give you  special instructions on
what he wants you to do for your first run down the  salt. Pay attention.
The  SCTA licensing process.
All  newbiebs must attend a brookie orientationb.  The orientation
includes driving your  chase vehicle down track so you can get the lay of the
land,
become familiar  with the mile markers, turnoffs and the return road.  You
will receive a rookie sticker for  your helmet showing you attended the
orientation. The SCTA requires every driver  to have a current SCTA
competition
license to run the salt.  If you have a valid driverbs license, it
qualifyb
s you for a class E category license which means you can haul ass up to
125 mph.  If the class you run has a  record higher than 125, you must
complete the progressive licensing process  which jumps in 25 mph increments
with
every qualifying pass. Your next pass  should be between 125 and 149,
qualifying you for a category D license. Then C  at 150-174 mph, B, 175-199
mph, A,
200-249 mph and AA, 250-299 mph. At 300 you  receive an bunlimited
licenseb
 allowing you to walk on water.  You must hold a category B license, 175
mph plus to be able to run the highly coveted blong  courseb.

From Askotto at aol.com  Sat Mar  5 11:04:55 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 13:04:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] mag article part 4
Message-ID: <7d1e0.4dd16c52.3aa3d547@aol.com>

Salt  driving 101
Driving the salt is very close to driving on well packed snow.  On snow you
can only accelerate as fast  as the snow will hold the traction.  Too much
power too soon and you will over spin the tires resulting in  less
acceleration.  Balancing the  fine line between slipping and holding traction
is the
trick.  Ideally there should be about 10% over  spin for maximum
acceleration on the salt.  Your vehicle may vary. Often racers donbt realize
itbs a
seven mile drag  race of constant acceleration!  If  your car tops out well
before the 5 or 6 mile marker, youbre under geared.  The course will become
rutted and rough  in spots.  These ruts will upset the  car at speed and toss
you about.  Donbt let it scare you,,, too much.  Just let the car ride it
out making minimal steering inputs.  DO NOT OVER CONTROL IT!  At speed things
happen very fast and you  may have a problem bkeeping up with itb.  If
things do go sideways, do not hit the brakes!  Instead keep your foot in it
and
keep  the tires spinning.  Therebs less of  a chance of the tires
bcatchingb
 in the salt resulting in a roll over that lasts  forever.  Deploying the
chute can  help pull you out of a spin if you get it out quick enough.  Too
late and it will just wrap around  your car.
WHAT THE EXPERIENCED  SCTA MEMBERS HAD TO SAY
I can only give you my experience on what I went through to race at  the
Bonneville salt flats so I sent out an inquiry to the who's who of all land
speed racing, the _land-speed at autox.team.net_
(mailto:land-speed at autox.team.net)  bloggers  list.  I asked them and I quote,
"As an experienced  racer yourself, what main point would you  like newbies
to know about their first experience at  the salt"?
Here are two of the first responses;

1.  "Askotto" please fricken spare me and everyone else. Could you get  any
more full of yourself? Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally
suspect as
qualified as I am to do open heart surgery as you are to describe  how to
set a record at Bonneville.
Be well see ya... Dave Dahlgren

2.  Yea, Dahlgren.  I'm laughing too.
Ed  Weldon

Thanks to the ambassadors of the SCTA for all their  help.

From dahlgren536 at comcast.net  Sat Mar  5 11:10:19 2011
From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 13:10:19 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: hey dickhead, what's your fricken phone number?
Message-ID: <0BD83B9D48884F1D9230E1C830FA096B@DaveSatellite>

Ok this is cute.. Sigh
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Askotto at aol.com
To: dahlgren536 at comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: hey dickhead, what's your fricken phone number?

From NT788 at comcast.net  Sat Mar  5 11:15:41 2011
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:15:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
In-Reply-To: <20110305164321.2E2BA187679@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <2079894758.1789445.1299348941334.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I politely mention 2 club minimums or French blocks and get cut out! Thats
politics!
Jack










----- Original Message -----
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: Askotto at aol.com, "23 weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2011 8:43:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
Bonnevillenewbie?

Nice, friendly exchange. Just what is needed for a technically oriented list.




At 09:37 PM 3/4/2011, Askotto at aol.com wrote:
>fuck you asshole!!!
>
>
>In a message dated 3/4/2011 2:48:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
>23.weldon at comcast.net writes:
>
>Yea, B Dahlgren. B I'm laughing too.
>Ed Weldon
>
>----- Original Message B -----
>From: "Dave Dahlgren" <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
>To: B <Askotto at aol.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Friday, B March 04, 2011 1:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for B a first time
>Bonnevillenewbie?
>
>
> > "Askotto" please fricken B spare me and everyone else. Could you get any
> > more full of yourself? B Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally
> > suspect as qualified B as I am to do open herat surgery as you are to
> > describe how to set a B record at Bonneville.
> > Be well see ya... B Dave
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From Askotto at aol.com  Sat Mar  5 11:22:36 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 13:22:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] mag article part 1
Message-ID: <7dbd1.7f512b8b.3aa3d96c@aol.com>

I thought you all would like to see my article that will  appear in one of
Koolhouse publishing rags, either CK Deluxe or Ol Skool  Rodz.


EVER  DREAMED OF GOING FLAT OUT AT BONNEVILLE?
Herebs  what it takes to make it happen.
What rodder hasnbt dreamed of being turned loose on a  stretch of road and
allowed to go as fast as they can, without getting busted by  the Fuzz.
Bonneville is one place  on the Earth where that can actually become a
reality.
 And when you finally achieve that dream,  it will be an experience that
will change your life, forever!  Ask anyone who ever raced there.  If you can
get them to quit grinning  long enough to tell you about it that is.
Besides conveying all the excitement and the adrenalin rush you will
experience,
they will caution you about bsalt feverb, an incurable disease you  will
catch the first time down the salt.  Itbs so contagious; some enthusiasts
catch it just sitting on the  sidelines watching. Typical symptoms include
excessive salivating at the sight  and sound of a racer going flat out down
the
salt followed by uncontrollable  flatulence.  Regretfully, there is  no cure.
Who  runs the show?
We can all thank the Southern California Timing  Association, herein called
the S.C.T.A. for originating and maintaining racing  at Bonneville.  When
the desire to  go faster than possible on the dry lakes of So Cal, they
discovered the salt and  after working with all the bred tape herobsb,
gained
access to it for land speed  racing. Bonneville is arguably the premier land
speed racing venue in the world.  The SCTA make all the rules and enforce
them.  Respect what they have to say.  Contrary to what you believe, they know
more than you do and what they say goes, or you do.  Theybre all fair,
equitable and  downright cool people, who are there to help you out so number
one, donbt be a  dickhead when dealing with them.  Remember, they arenbt
employees of the SCTA but are all nicely  compensated volunteers.  You must be
a member of the SCTA/BNI to race at Bonneville and also pay them an entry
fee to  race.
Pick a  class, any class.
Get yourself a rule book from the SCTA and check out whatbs  required in
each class.  If you know  what vehicle you will be racing and what
modifications you want to do to it that  will dictate which class you will
run.  If youb
re starting fresh and donbt have a vehicle to race yet, pick  whatever
class floats your boat.  Vehicles are classed based on what they look like,
what
size engine you  are running, if you run gas or fuel and what induction
system you are using,  naturally aspirated or huffed. They have classes for
everything, even bar  stools.

From Askotto at aol.com  Sat Mar  5 11:33:03 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 13:33:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
Message-ID: <7e1b9.60baa5e9.3aa3dbdf@aol.com>

All I asked was for advise to a newbie and this is what it turned  into.  
Don't blame me!!!  Blame the two list dickheads who ran off  almost everybody 
on this list.  You guys suck!!!  Now I know why I  bailed off this 
worthless list 4 years ago!
 
Way to go Dave and Ed.  You are truly ambassadors for the SCTA  and will 
get credit in the article.  I asked for your opinion and told  everybody it 
could be printed in the article.  You can't do a damn thing to  prevent me 
printing it for all to see.  Keep up the good work dave and ed  and someday you 
will die a very mad and lonely dickhead.
 
In a message dated 3/5/2011 10:05:31 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
saltrat at pahrump.com writes:

Nice,  friendly exchange. Just what is needed for a technically oriented  
list.




At 09:37 PM 3/4/2011, Askotto at aol.com  wrote:
>fuck you asshole!!!
>
>
>In a message dated  3/4/2011 2:48:22 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
>23.weldon at comcast.net  writes:
>
>Yea,  Dahlgren.  I'm laughing too.
>Ed  Weldon
>
>----- Original Message  -----
>From: "Dave  Dahlgren" <dahlgren536 at comcast.net>
>To:   <Askotto at aol.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent:  Friday,  March 04, 2011 1:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody  got any advise for  a first  time
>Bonnevillenewbie?
>
>
> > "Askotto" please  fricken  spare me and everyone else. Could you get any
> > more  full of yourself?  Newbe the operative word I suspect and equally
>  > suspect as qualified  as I am to do open herat surgery as you are  to
> > describe how to set a  record at Bonneville.
> >  Be well see ya...   Dave
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From Askotto at aol.com  Sat Mar  5 11:53:53 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 13:53:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd:  Fw: hey dickhead,
 what's your fricken phone  number?
Message-ID: <7eda1.20527107.3aa3e0c1@aol.com>

No Dave, it's ugly and you have no one to blame but yourself.   What's the 
problem Dave, off your meds AGAIN? You do take meds don't you???  You can't 
be a dickhead like this all the time can you???  Why  do I scare you so 
much?  If you were any kind of man you would give me your  phone number so we 
can talk directly so you can finally tell me what's up your  miserable ass.
 
I used to be a major contributor to this list answering more tech  problems 
than you did.  Your recommendations were don't build a 302 Ford,  put a 80K 
Indy engine in it.  Good advice Dave.  You are the only  reason I bailed 
off this list dickhead.  Who was the only person who  benifited from me 
leaving the list?  Was it all the listees who used to  enjoy my tech tips?  
Absolutely not!  They all lost out knowledge  and unique sence of humor.  So who 
made out with me bailing off  the list?  YOU AND ONLY YOU!!!  Now you could 
shell out your bullshit  answers without any fear of me saying, "Wait a 
minute Dave, that's  bullshit!"  Happy with what you achieved?  I'm gone and when 
I  bailed 4 years ago, I received many e-mails from listees that really 
missed me  and begged me to come back to the list.  I know for a fact my 
knowledge was  a plus for the entire list, except you.
 
So Dave, you ran me off again.  Happy with your miserable  self?  I don't 
know, how do the rest of the listees feel about me bailing  off the list 
again, thanks to Dave and Ed Weldon.
 
Otto
A man with balls, not a big mouth with nothing to support it like  you, 
asshole! 
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Sent:  3/5/2011 11:35:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time
Subj: [Land-speed] Fw: hey  dickhead, what&apos;s your fricken phone number?


Ok this is cute.. Sigh
Dave
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To: dahlgren536 at comcast.net
Sent:  Saturday, March 05, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: hey dickhead, what's your fricken  phone  number?
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From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  5 12:02:30 2011
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 11:02:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
In-Reply-To: <4D726E12.5010107@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <622795.77111.qm@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Otto showed up with a decent car and ran it. In doing that he earned a certain
amount of respect from me. And I think should have from you. I have heard
enough people who never have and never will, tell me all about running on the
salt. I'm not friends with everyone who runs at Bonneville. But I do respect
them for having had a goal and making positive effort at achieving it. French
blocks and those in favor of them are another story.

--- On Sat, 3/5/11, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:


From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
Bonnevillenewbie?
To: "land-speed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011, 9:08 AM


Wow!  This list turned instantly into an uncivil mob.  I thought that
the land speed racer was generally one of the most pleasant and helpful
person anywhere. The give you the shirt off your back kind of guy. Well,
that certainly went out the window didn't it.   When he request from
Otto, actually AskOtto, hit my desk, I wondered if that was the same
Otto that was pummeled when he went to the salt to run his very nice
lakester.  I chatted with him on the salt and he was actually a normal
person. It seems that email allows us to be uncivil at a distance and
that's bad.

When I read Otto's request, all he asked for was the experience of
racers as source data for an article he was writing for a magazine of
some sort. The article was to be on what a newbie should expect on his
initial outings on the salt.  He even mentioned that if you wanted
attribution for the information you sent, to be sure and include name
and particulars so that you could be quoted.  There was not one thing in
it regarding setting of records or an such.  It seemed to be a perfectly
normal request. So what upset all of you over this request?   I have
seen such requests from all sorts of folk on the list before and they
were never verbally pummeled.  Here  is the request he sent:

"Hi, Otto here.
> >
> > I'm writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide to
> > racing Bonneville" and am doing research. As an experienced racer
> > yourself,
> > what main point would you like newbies to know about their first
> > experience
> > at the salt.
> >
> > If you want your specific quote to appear with your name getting
>  credits,
> >> be sure to include your full name in the response to _askotto at aol.com_
> >> (mailto:askotto at aol.com)
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >> Otto

"

The response to the request  from a number of list members makes me
ashamed of the genre of land speed racers.  Why not simply hit the
delete button and put it behind you?

Sheesh..

mayf
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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  5 12:23:49 2011
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 11:23:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
In-Reply-To: <4D726E12.5010107@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <115721.54371.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree with Glen and Mayf.  It was a simple request.  I too met Otto and
thought he was a pretty decent guy.  So why do some of you have to go off the
F*&%## deep end?
 
Don't bother posting an answer to this.  With this post, I am unsubscribing
from the list.
 
Dick J
In East Texas

--- On Sat, 3/5/11, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:


From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
Bonnevillenewbie?
To: "land-speed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011, 11:08 AM


Wow!  This list turned instantly into an uncivil mob.  I thought that
the land speed racer was generally one of the most pleasant and helpful
person anywhere. The give you the shirt off your back kind of guy. Well,
that certainly went out the window didn't it.   When he request from
Otto, actually AskOtto, hit my desk, I wondered if that was the same
Otto that was pummeled when he went to the salt to run his very nice
lakester.  I chatted with him on the salt and he was actually a normal
person. It seems that email allows us to be uncivil at a distance and
that's bad.

When I read Otto's request, all he asked for was the experience of
racers as source data for an article he was writing for a magazine of
some sort. The article was to be on what a newbie should expect on his
initial outings on the salt.  He even mentioned that if you wanted
attribution for the information you sent, to be sure and include name
and particulars so that you could be quoted.  There was not one thing in
it regarding setting of records or an such.  It seemed to be a perfectly
normal request. So what upset all of you over this request?   I have
seen such requests from all sorts of folk on the list before and they
were never verbally pummeled.  Here  is the request he sent:

"Hi, Otto here.
> >
> > I'm writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide to
> > racing Bonneville" and am doing research. As an experienced racer
> > yourself,
> > what main point would you like newbies to know about their first
> > experience
> > at the salt.
> >
> > If you want your specific quote to appear with your name getting
>  credits,
> >> be sure to include your full name in the response to _askotto at aol.com_
> >> (mailto:askotto at aol.com)
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >> Otto

"

The response to the request  from a number of list members makes me
ashamed of the genre of land speed racers.  Why not simply hit the
delete button and put it behind you?

Sheesh..

mayf
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From Askotto at aol.com  Sat Mar  5 12:43:05 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 14:43:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Correction to newbie article
Message-ID: <80a7b.650654f9.3aa3ec49@aol.com>

Some of you have responded to my article and I'm revising it seems  as the 
lines are no longer the problem that they were when I ran in 06.   The third 
track took care of the problem.
 
Gee, I remember when I recommended a third track on this very list  back in 
06 and everybody laughed me off the list siting how it would never work  
and all the reasons why it could never work.  Anybody else remember when I  
recommended it and the overwhelming response I got to the negative???   
Dahlgren?  Ed Weldon? The old guy in the timing booth,  Gene??
 
Guess who's laughing as all the stupidity now?
 
Contrary to overwhelming belief, I'm good for the sport.  How  did 3 tracks 
work out for you?  I even layed them out just the way they  ended up. Did I 
ever get credit?  No, the contrary, you all  laughed at me. I understand 
what it takes to put a successful event  together and how to keep EVERYBODY 
happy, year round.  I didn't become a  self made millionaire by making stupid 
decisions but you don't want my  help.  No problem. I'm back to my first 
love, drag racing and turning low  9's in a steel Model A street legal coupe.  
You should see the improvements  I put into the track.  Everybody loves them.
 
You do have to admit, I bring EXCITEMENT to the list!!!  Ok,  go back to 
being bored, mad and negative.  You all relish in  it.
See ya, again!

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sat Mar  5 12:57:22 2011
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 14:57:22 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] first time Bonnevillenewbie?
In-Reply-To: <4D726E12.5010107@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <20110305145722.EYLON.1134412.imail@fed1rmwml4101>

mayf---I think the roots of this happened during the time you were off the list


----

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Mar  5 16:36:03 2011
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 15:36:03 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
In-Reply-To: <223fc.6adf00b6.3aa32f49@aol.com>
References: <223fc.6adf00b6.3aa32f49@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D72C8E3.2080005@wildblue.net>

A perfect example of MODERN American civil behavior as
seen on TV and in the media.
It's not what made this country great.

Bryan

From turborick at turborick.com  Sat Mar  5 18:25:33 2011
From: turborick at turborick.com (Rick Yacoucci)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 17:25:33 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd:  Fw: hey dickhead,
 what's your fricken  phone  number?
In-Reply-To: <7eda1.20527107.3aa3e0c1@aol.com>
References: <7eda1.20527107.3aa3e0c1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <06bd01cbdb9d$63b36240$2b1a26c0$@com>

WOW I've never seen this list go off like this 
Come on over and have a beer ...... can't we all just get along.....   wear
is Turk he always fixes this.....

Thanks
Rick Yacoucci

Rick Yacoucci Racing
661-618-7706
http://www.bonnevillestreamliner.com




-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Askotto at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:54 AM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fw: hey dickhead, what's your fricken phone
number?

No Dave, it's ugly and you have no one to blame but yourself.   What's the 
problem Dave, off your meds AGAIN? You do take meds don't you???  You can't 
be a dickhead like this all the time can you???  Why  do I scare you so 
much?  If you were any kind of man you would give me your  phone number so
we 
can talk directly so you can finally tell me what's up your  miserable ass.
 
I used to be a major contributor to this list answering more tech  problems 
than you did.  Your recommendations were don't build a 302 Ford,  put a 80K 
Indy engine in it.  Good advice Dave.  You are the only  reason I bailed 
off this list dickhead.  Who was the only person who  benifited from me 
leaving the list?  Was it all the listees who used to  enjoy my tech tips?  
Absolutely not!  They all lost out knowledge  and unique sence of humor.  So
who 
made out with me bailing off  the list?  YOU AND ONLY YOU!!!  Now you could 
shell out your bullshit  answers without any fear of me saying, "Wait a 
minute Dave, that's  bullshit!"  Happy with what you achieved?  I'm gone and
when 
I  bailed 4 years ago, I received many e-mails from listees that really 
missed me  and begged me to come back to the list.  I know for a fact my 
knowledge was  a plus for the entire list, except you.
 
So Dave, you ran me off again.  Happy with your miserable  self?  I don't 
know, how do the rest of the listees feel about me bailing  off the list 
again, thanks to Dave and Ed Weldon.
 
Otto
A man with balls, not a big mouth with nothing to support it like  you, 
asshole! 
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Sent:  3/5/2011 11:35:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time
Subj: [Land-speed] Fw: hey  dickhead, what&apos;s your fricken phone number?

From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Sat Mar  5 18:57:07 2011
From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 01:57:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd:  Fw: hey dickhead,
 what's your fricken   phone number?
In-Reply-To: <06bd01cbdb9d$63b36240$2b1a26c0$@com>
Message-ID: <1751527173.1064590.1299376627508.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Come Back Dick J! 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Yacoucci" <turborick at turborick.com> 
To: "land speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2011 8:25:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fw: hey dickhead, what's your fricken phone number? 

WOW I've never seen this list go off like this 
Come on over and have a beer ...... can't we all just get along..... wear 
is Turk he always fixes this..... 

Thanks 
Rick Yacoucci 

Rick Yacoucci Racing 
661-618-7706 
http://www.bonnevillestreamliner.com 




-----Original Message----- 
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net 
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Askotto at aol.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:54 AM 
To: land-speed at autox.team.net 
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fw: hey dickhead, what's your fricken phone 
number? 

No Dave, it's ugly and you have no one to blame but yourself. What's the 
problem Dave, off your meds AGAIN? You do take meds don't you??? You can't 
be a dickhead like this all the time can you??? Why do I scare you so 
much? If you were any kind of man you would give me your phone number so 
we 
can talk directly so you can finally tell me what's up your miserable ass. 

I used to be a major contributor to this list answering more tech problems 
than you did. Your recommendations were don't build a 302 Ford, put a 80K 
Indy engine in it. Good advice Dave. You are the only reason I bailed 
off this list dickhead. Who was the only person who benifited from me 
leaving the list? Was it all the listees who used to enjoy my tech tips? 
Absolutely not! They all lost out knowledge and unique sence of humor. So 
who 
made out with me bailing off the list? YOU AND ONLY YOU!!! Now you could 
shell out your bullshit answers without any fear of me saying, "Wait a 
minute Dave, that's bullshit!" Happy with what you achieved? I'm gone and 
when 
I bailed 4 years ago, I received many e-mails from listees that really 
missed me and begged me to come back to the list. I know for a fact my 
knowledge was a plus for the entire list, except you. 

So Dave, you ran me off again. Happy with your miserable self? I don't 
know, how do the rest of the listees feel about me bailing off the list 
again, thanks to Dave and Ed Weldon. 

Otto 
A man with balls, not a big mouth with nothing to support it like you, 
asshole! 
To: land-speed at autox.team.net 
Sent: 3/5/2011 11:35:45 A.M. Mountain Standard Time 
Subj: [Land-speed] Fw: hey dickhead, what&apos;s your fricken phone number? 
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sat Mar  5 19:45:22 2011
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:45:22 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Apology
Message-ID: <BFD3182469F34017AC595F47E27FA78C@edc2750afa5a84>

To all of the list members and the extended Landspeed racing community:

 I apologize for the negative role I played in today's unfortunate exchange of
comments.  I said things that should have remained private and were taken by
one member as highly inflammatory.  I'm sorry I let my thoughts go public and
very sorry for the resulting negativity and whatever losses it might have
created.

I have learned a lesson from this.  One can start to think that when you get
past age 70 there are no new lessons to learn about life and the little piece
of the world that you consist of.

Tain't so.  There are things that are a whole lot bigger than I am and they
should always deserve my respect.

...A humbled Ed Weldon

From turbovortec6 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  5 20:08:29 2011
From: turbovortec6 at yahoo.com (Randy Will)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 19:08:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] I'm gone too
Message-ID: <304681.31667.qm@web32102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

<p><br>
Otto, give Franklin Radliff a call. He is an expert at BS like you. Later all.</p>
<p>Randy</p>
<p>Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android</p>

From ecpurinton at wildblue.net  Sat Mar  5 20:54:02 2011
From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 22:54:02 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
 Bonnevillenewbie?
In-Reply-To: <4D72C8E3.2080005@wildblue.net>
References: <223fc.6adf00b6.3aa32f49@aol.com> <4D72C8E3.2080005@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=stnMX5b-jFJj0csQjZiZaXrWQ+Y4kGk+=v=3y@mail.gmail.com>

Ego's, I can go faster my own way than the next guy his, a basic requirement
for LSR.  If we all didn't have one larger than most of the general
population we'd be just like them - laying on the couch getting our dose of
"reality" from the boob tube.  In LSR I expect to see really large ego's in
action just like holed pistons and kicked rods.  Tune on the edge and you
will find the exact limits eventually.  When  happenings occur I treat them
all the same, don't get upset, try to learn from them, figure any tuition as
part of the entry fee, and move on.

Ed Purinton

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Bryan Savage <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>wrote:

> A perfect example of MODERN American civil behavior as
> seen on TV and in the media.
> It's not what made this country great.
>
> Bryan
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Mar  5 21:09:07 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 21:09:07 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Why do I bother?
Message-ID: <4D7308E3.8030202@bradakis.com>

Sheesh.  What a bunch of whining little prepubescent twits.
At least Mr. Weldon showed some character.

mjb.

From kturk at adelphia.net  Sat Mar  5 21:14:23 2011
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 22:14:23 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] man oh man....
In-Reply-To: <06bd01cbdb9d$63b36240$2b1a26c0$@com>
References: <7eda1.20527107.3aa3e0c1@aol.com>
	<06bd01cbdb9d$63b36240$2b1a26c0$@com>
Message-ID: <18DA350FBA8F4D32B641304D22A5C7A2@KeithTurksPC>

I've kind of gone to being a lurker here.....  Simply stated the list has 
always been a great source of both entertainment and information....

When it becomes nasty, it's simply not fun....


Y'all behave.... or Santa is going to put coal in your stockings....


( I did send Otto a short list of stuff... as I didn't find his question out 
of hand or out of school....  )

Keith 

From kturk at adelphia.net  Sat Mar  5 21:23:23 2011
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 22:23:23 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: man oh man....
Message-ID: <184014E1D47B4399BB3936472E18F4F8@KeithTurksPC>

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:14 PM
To: "Rick Yacoucci" <turborick at turborick.com>; "'land speed'" <>
Subject: man oh man....

> I've kind of gone to being a lurker here.....  Simply stated the list has 
> always been a great source of both entertainment and information....
>
> When it becomes nasty, it's simply not fun....
>
>
> Y'all behave.... or Santa is going to put coal in your stockings....
>
>
> ( I did send Otto a short list of stuff... as I didn't find his question 
> out of hand or out of school....  )
>
> Keith 

From Askotto at aol.com  Sun Mar  6 09:31:34 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 11:31:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Apology
Message-ID: <3d0b7.358a2368.3aa510e6@aol.com>

Fuck you asshole and Ill be the first to regain respect when I  confront 
you at Bonneville like a fricken man, not like some chicken shit  piece of 
crap that you are.
 
 
In a message dated 3/5/2011 9:11:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
23.weldon at comcast.net writes:

Your public profanity insulted everybody on the Land-speed  forum, 
tarnished the Land speed racing community and diminished your  stature to that of 
one who deserves no apology.  Nor will get one  from me regardless of the 
righteousness of you position. 
 I am one who will readily admit my mistakes.   Perhaps you are big enough 
to do the same.  Or will  you remain the person I perceive, who is far to 
important to apologize to  lesser beings?
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _Askotto at aol.com_ (mailto:Askotto at aol.com)  
To: _23.weldon at comcast.net_ (mailto:23.weldon at comcast.net)  
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 7:29  PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Apology


How about an apology to the person it directly  involved???  It won't work 
asshole. I'm printing your comments as  that's really you.  You and Dave 
have singlehandly run off almost the  entire list.  Live with it asshole and 
may you die bitter, mad and  lonely.
 
So tell me Asshole, how will it feel to see your name in lights  for the 
entire SCTA to see???
 
 
In a message dated 3/5/2011 8:03:35 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
23.weldon at comcast.net writes:

To  all of the list members and the extended Landspeed racing  community:

I apologize for the negative role I played in today's  unfortunate exchange 
of
comments.  I said things that should have  remained private and were taken 
by
one member as highly  inflammatory.  I'm sorry I let my thoughts go public 
and
very  sorry for the resulting negativity and whatever losses it might  have
created.

I have learned a lesson from this.  One can  start to think that when you 
get
past age 70 there are no new lessons  to learn about life and the little 
piece
of the world that you consist  of.

Tain't so.  There are things that are a whole lot bigger  than I am and they
should always deserve my respect.

...A  humbled Ed  Weldon
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From Askotto at aol.com  Sun Mar  6 09:40:03 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 11:40:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Why do I bother?  Because you have NO LIFE!!!
Message-ID: <3d5fa.724dd7f0.3aa512e3@aol.com>

wjb
 
My phone number is 505 869-2392.  Call me and call me a "whining little 
prepuberescent twit" to my fricken face, if you  have the spine for it, which I 
doubt!!! anybody can be a "big man" with a  keyboard!  Would you have the 
balls to xcall me that to my face?  You  will get the chance because I 
wouldn't miss Bonneville for anything now.  i  have to settle disrespect from a 
few of you wimpy assholes and I will enjoy  every minute of it!!
 
The number is welcome to all the other DD followers who think I';m  way off 
base.  DD?, Ed Weldon?  
Anybody else want to tell me straight up how they think I  suck???
 
 SHOW SOME FRICKEN BALLS AND CALL ME!!!
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/5/2011 9:34:20 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
mark at bradakis.com writes:

Sheesh.  What a bunch of "whining little prepubescent  twits.
At least Mr. Weldon showed some  character.

mjb.
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From Askotto at aol.com  Sun Mar  6 09:45:50 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 11:45:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Ed Weldons appology
Message-ID: <3d9cc.27e9a231.3aa5143e@aol.com>

I'd like to thank Ed Weldon for coming forward like a real man and  showing 
he is sorry and actually maybe learned something from his  actions.
 
I'd really like to thank him personally like a man and make  amends.  Does 
anybody have his phone number?
 
otto

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  6 09:58:17 2011
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 08:58:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Correction to newbie article
In-Reply-To: <80a7b.650654f9.3aa3ec49@aol.com>
Message-ID: <109876.65366.qm@web113801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Otto,
 
I read you four part article.
 
What you don't realize is that back in '06 when you recommended the third
track there were only 2 or 3 of the board members who watched landracing.com.
 
I did take your idea to the board and with refinements and added personnel it
became a reality. In the 2011 season, with available ground, a fourth course
will be tried. I have been doing this for over forty years and have never
asked for recognition for any ideas I have suggested and were put into place.
 
Please consider this email as your long over due pat on the back. Do you
require any compensation from the highly paid volunteers?
 
DW
"Bonneville is not a bucket list item, its a life style." Allison Volk Dean
2010


 --- On Sat, 3/5/11, Askotto at aol.com <Askotto at aol.com> wrote:


From: Askotto at aol.com <Askotto at aol.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Correction to newbie article
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, March 5, 2011, 11:43 AM


Some of you have responded to my article and I'm revising it seems  as the
lines are no longer the problem that they were when I ran in 06.   The third
track took care of the problem.

Gee, I remember when I recommended a third track on this very list  back in
06 and everybody laughed me off the list siting how it would never work 
and all the reasons why it could never work.  Anybody else remember when I 
recommended it and the overwhelming response I got to the negative???   
Dahlgren?  Ed Weldon? The old guy in the timing booth,  Gene??

Guess who's laughing as all the stupidity now?

Contrary to overwhelming belief, I'm good for the sport.  How  did 3 tracks
work out for you?  I even layed them out just the way they  ended up. Did I
ever get credit?  No, the contrary, you all  laughed at me. I understand
what it takes to put a successful event  together and how to keep EVERYBODY
happy, year round.  I didn't become a  self made millionaire by making stupid
decisions but you don't want my  help.  No problem. I'm back to my first
love, drag racing and turning low  9's in a steel Model A street legal coupe. 
You should see the improvements  I put into the track.  Everybody loves them.

You do have to admit, I bring EXCITEMENT to the list!!!  Ok,  go back to
being bored, mad and negative.  You all relish in  it.
See ya, again!
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  6 09:59:04 2011
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 08:59:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Apology
In-Reply-To: <3d0b7.358a2368.3aa510e6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <466730.90819.qm@web113805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Nice
 
DW



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2010
 
  

--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Askotto at aol.com <Askotto at aol.com> wrote:


From: Askotto at aol.com <Askotto at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Apology
To: 23.weldon at comcast.net
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 8:31 AM


Fuck you asshole and Ill be the first to regain respect when I  confront
you at Bonneville like a fricken man, not like some chicken shit  piece of
crap that you are.


In a message dated 3/5/2011 9:11:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
23.weldon at comcast.net writes:

Your public profanity insulted everybody on the Land-speed  forum,
tarnished the Land speed racing community and diminished your  stature to that
of
one who deserves no apology.  Nor will get one  from me regardless of the
righteousness of you position.
I am one who will readily admit my mistakes.   Perhaps you are big enough
to do the same.  Or will  you remain the person I perceive, who is far to
important to apologize to  lesser beings?
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message -----
From:  _Askotto at aol.com_ (mailto:Askotto at aol.com) 
To: _23.weldon at comcast.net_ (mailto:23.weldon at comcast.net) 
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 7:29  PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Apology


How about an apology to the person it directly  involved???  It won't work
asshole. I'm printing your comments as  that's really you.  You and Dave
have singlehandly run off almost the  entire list.  Live with it asshole and
may you die bitter, mad and  lonely.

So tell me Asshole, how will it feel to see your name in lights  for the
entire SCTA to see???


In a message dated 3/5/2011 8:03:35 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
23.weldon at comcast.net writes:

To  all of the list members and the extended Landspeed racing  community:

I apologize for the negative role I played in today's  unfortunate exchange
of
comments.  I said things that should have  remained private and were taken
by
one member as highly  inflammatory.  I'm sorry I let my thoughts go public
and
very  sorry for the resulting negativity and whatever losses it might  have
created.

I have learned a lesson from this.  One can  start to think that when you
get
past age 70 there are no new lessons  to learn about life and the little
piece
of the world that you consist  of.

Tain't so.  There are things that are a whole lot bigger  than I am and they
should always deserve my respect.

...A  humbled Ed  Weldon
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From Askotto at aol.com  Sun Mar  6 10:08:07 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 12:08:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] HEY DD, Ed stepped up like a man.
Message-ID: <3e8d9.10ab1ac6.3aa51977@aol.com>

Hey DD
 
Ed did the right thing to clear the air and stepped up like a man  and 
apologized to the list.  He didn't think he should apologize to me as  I'm not 
worthy of it, I used bad words.  Fine Ed, may you die a bitter  boy.
 
So Dave, you're the one that started it all you know but did  anybody 
notice, I'm the only one that got yelled at"!  I didn't start  it!  Did anybody 
say anything to DD and say DD, you're out of line, he  didn't ask how to set 
a record.  Why do you always jump  Otto's ass  foe nothing, he's only trying 
to better land speed racing for all of  us.
 
Yes, I used words some of the DADS don't think are  appropriate like 
asshole and dickhead but I have a right to use them  when ever I damn well please. 
 You can call them Dave and Ed but to me  there nothing but assholes and 
dickhead's.  I only use them when they are  appropriate and unless I call you 
an asshole or a dickhead, you have  no complaint with me.  I begged both of 
the dickhead's to give me their  phone numbers so I could talk to them 
directly and settle all this crap man to  man and not publicly on this fricken 
list but they gave me no  choice!
 
I will still talk man to child to both of them, someday.   They can't hide 
from me for ever. It will be less "bloody" if we do it on  the phone and not 
at bville.  Did I mention I'm diagnosed with bi-polar  paranoid 
skitsophrenia???  That makes me a very volatile person if you piss  me off, in case 
nobody noticed.  But I'm a fair person even when I go off  the deep end, if 
that's any assurance to the weasels.  Is weasels a better  name for them?  Dads?
 
Damn, I forgot to take my meds today.  roflol
 
 see ya

From xlwp at hotmail.com  Sun Mar  6 11:21:50 2011
From: xlwp at hotmail.com (xlwp)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 13:21:50 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2028F778D32AD7C2D7B5349DCC40@phx.gbl>


From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Mar  6 11:22:14 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 11:22:14 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] HEY DD, Ed stepped up like a man.
In-Reply-To: <3e8d9.10ab1ac6.3aa51977@aol.com>
References: <3e8d9.10ab1ac6.3aa51977@aol.com>
Message-ID: <69C7BD2705FC4E5E9BCC9339C3D140BD@tiger>

Otto,

I haven't jumped into this before, preferring to say out of it but it seems 
as if you are making a great effort to keep things stirred up.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: <Askotto at aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 10:08 AM
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] HEY DD, Ed stepped up like a man.

> Hey DD
>
> Ed did the right thing to clear the air and stepped up like a man  and
> apologized to the list.  He didn't think he should apologize to me as  I'm 
> not
> worthy of it, I used bad words.  Fine Ed, may you die a bitter  boy.
>
> So Dave, you're the one that started it all you know but did  anybody
> notice, I'm the only one that got yelled at"!  I didn't start  it!  Did 
> anybody
> say anything to DD and say DD, you're out of line, he  didn't ask how to 
> set
> a record.  Why do you always jump  Otto's ass  foe nothing, he's only 
> trying
> to better land speed racing for all of  us.
>
> Yes, I used words some of the DADS don't think are  appropriate like
> asshole and dickhead but I have a right to use them  when ever I damn well 
> please.
> You can call them Dave and Ed but to me  there nothing but assholes and
> dickhead's.  I only use them when they are  appropriate and unless I call 
> you
> an asshole or a dickhead, you have  no complaint with me.  I begged both 
> of
> the dickhead's to give me their  phone numbers so I could talk to them
> directly and settle all this crap man to  man and not publicly on this 
> fricken
> list but they gave me no  choice!
>
> I will still talk man to child to both of them, someday.   They can't hide
> from me for ever. It will be less "bloody" if we do it on  the phone and 
> not
> at bville.  Did I mention I'm diagnosed with bi-polar  paranoid
> skitsophrenia???  That makes me a very volatile person if you piss  me 
> off, in case
> nobody noticed.  But I'm a fair person even when I go off  the deep end, 
> if
> that's any assurance to the weasels.  Is weasels a better  name for them? 
> Dads?
>
> Damn, I forgot to take my meds today.  roflol
>
> see ya
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From adin at frontier.net  Sun Mar  6 12:08:31 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 12:08:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Why do I bother?
References: <3d5fa.724dd7f0.3aa512e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EDB49520990F4053BF2509CB0909387E@ZTxp>

Warning: this is mostly opinion.  You won't hurt my feelings if you delete 
now, and you probably won't change my mind.

It would sure be nice if the list only contained questions and help.  We 
(ok, I) don't need political bs, religious comments, or ugly hatred.

Respect is earned.

I never did know why some folks are not welcome here, but now I have some 
hints.

I have damn few friends here, and I know at least one screwed up self 
rightous enemy - -BUTT most folks here can teach me something so I try to 
shut up and learn something (the reason I am here.)

Please preface answers with "in my experience" or "when we won Indy" or "my 
opinion is" so the dumber folks (me) can put some value judgment on the 
answers.  Not everyone knows everyone's credentials! (it isn't bragging to 
let me know how you learned something.)

the Navajo will often chastise a child by telling them "you act like you 
don't have any relatives" - and a friend often comments "wouldn't her momma 
be proud!"

thanks to those of you who have or will help me, I appreciate it.

David in Durango 


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From t.henderson5847 at rogers.com  Sun Mar  6 12:27:27 2011
From: t.henderson5847 at rogers.com (tom)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:27:27 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)
Message-ID: <16EE7595E6CB4B15A6B70164EC67E5D9@henny496PC>

lurker here........will unsubscribe from LSR list until after the dust
settles

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  6 16:42:52 2011
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 15:42:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Ed Weldons appology
In-Reply-To: <3d9cc.27e9a231.3aa5143e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <702224.6443.qm@web113813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

First this:
"Fuck you asshole and Ill be the first to regain respect when I  confront
you at Bonneville like a fricken man, not like some chicken shit  piece of
crap that you are."
 
Then this mail about Ed's apology.
 
I don't get it. Keith can you explain?
 
DW
 


"Bonneville is not a bucket list item, its a life style." Allison Volk Dean
2010
 
--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Askotto at aol.com <Askotto at aol.com> wrote:


From: Askotto at aol.com <Askotto at aol.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Ed Weldons appology
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 8:45 AM


I'd like to thank Ed Weldon for coming forward like a real man and  showing
he is sorry and actually maybe learned something from his  actions.

I'd really like to thank him personally like a man and make  amends.  Does
anybody have his phone number?

otto
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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sun Mar  6 17:05:14 2011
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 16:05:14 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time Bonneville
 newbie?
In-Reply-To: <d285.12343c40.3aa2a5f9@aol.com>
References: <d285.12343c40.3aa2a5f9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20110307000513.5EDBC18764A@autox.team.net>

Otto,
If I had to point to one thing that helped me it would be getting 
familiar with how the race is run. I did that by being a volunteer 
course steward and later a course safety person. The result was 
recognition of operating challenges at the salt and an idea about how 
I could make things better/easier for myself and the race staff when 
I brought a car to race.
Skip







At 12:30 PM 3/4/2011, Askotto at aol.com wrote:
>Hi, Otto here.
>
>I'm writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide  to
>racing Bonneville" and am doing research.  As an experienced racer  yourself,
>what main point would you like newbies to know about their first  experience
>at the salt.
>
>If you want your specific quote to appear with your name getting  credits,
>be sure to include your full name in the response to _askotto at aol.com_
>(mailto:askotto at aol.com)
>
>Thanks in advance
>Otto

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  6 17:41:26 2011
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 16:41:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Ed Weldons appology
In-Reply-To: <702224.6443.qm@web113813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <685841.40551.qm@web39422.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dan; You have to admit, he woke up the list.  RF

--- On Sun, 3/6/11, dan warner <dwarner230 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: dan warner <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Ed Weldons appology
To: land-speed at autox.team.net, Askotto at aol.com
Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 3:42 PM


First this:
"Fuck you asshole and Ill be the first to regain respect when I  confront
you at Bonneville like a fricken man, not like some chicken shit  piece of
crap that you are."

Then this mail about Ed's apology.

I don't get it. Keith can you explain?

DW



"Bonneville is not a bucket list item, its a life style." Allison Volk Dean
2010

--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Askotto at aol.com <Askotto at aol.com> wrote:


From: Askotto at aol.com <Askotto at aol.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Ed Weldons appology
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 8:45 AM


I'd like to thank Ed Weldon for coming forward like a real man and  showing
he is sorry and actually maybe learned something from his  actions.

I'd really like to thank him personally like a man and make  amends.  Does
anybody have his phone number?

otto
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From Askotto at aol.com  Sun Mar  6 20:18:26 2011
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 22:18:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Ed Weldons appology
Message-ID: <bddaf.6637b72c.3aa5a882@aol.com>

not any more.  I can't take the pressure.  If the list  ever needs waking 
up again, e-mail me and piss me off about something,  anything. In the mean 
time I'm unscribing.   The "venting" is  good for me!  lol
 
 
In a message dated 3/6/2011 5:41:27 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
v4gmr at yahoo.com writes:

Dan; You have to admit, he woke up the list.   RF

--- On Sun, 3/6/11, dan warner  <dwarner230 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From:  dan warner <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed]  Ed Weldons appology
To: land-speed at autox.team.net,  Askotto at aol.com
Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 3:42 PM

First this:
"Fuck you asshole and Ill be the  first to regain respect when I  confront
you at Bonneville  like a fricken man, not like some chicken shit  piece of
crap  that you are."

Then this mail about Ed's apology.

I  don't get it. Keith can you  explain?

DW



"Bonneville is not a bucket list  item, its a life style." Allison Volk Dean
2010

--- On Sun,  3/6/11, _Askotto at aol.com_ 
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From: _Askotto at aol.com_ 
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(http://us.mc394.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Askotto at aol.com) >
Subject:  [Land-speed] Ed Weldons appology
To: _land-speed at autox.team.net_ 
(http://us.mc394.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=land-speed at autox.team.net) 
Date:  Sunday, March 6, 2011, 8:45 AM


I'd like to thank Ed Weldon  for coming forward like a real man and  showing
he is sorry  and actually maybe learned something from his   actions.

I'd really like to thank him personally like a man and  make  amends.  Does
anybody have his phone  number?

otto
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From landspeed at columbus.rr.com  Sun Mar  6 20:24:39 2011
From: landspeed at columbus.rr.com (Don McMeekin)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 22:24:39 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Another thought
Message-ID: <BA4E033F-E2C6-48E1-8E16-B5FA34A6BC6E@columbus.rr.com>

The McMeekin Bros. have been busy this winter working on a project to  
replace the straight 8 Buick engine in the 240sx. The Buick thing  
darn near did us in with a continuous  parade of nagging problems and  
we are ready to move on. Sometimes moving on is the right thing to do  
when  all else has failed and you don't know what to try next.

Talk about convoluted logic. Somehow we decided that we would build  
1/2 of a Ford Windsor engine to run at Speed Week this year in the 3  
liter class. Not because there aren't any good 4 cyl engines out  
there ( there are plenty of excellent choices ), but because it  
sounded like an interesting project. Well, we're into this Ford too  
deeply to turn around, so in spite of the advice of friends and  
fellow racers, it's full speed ahead. The engine will make use of the  
usual NASCAR stuff and will be configured to run the right bank in an  
inline four fashion. We expect to make about 350 hp if everything  
works as intended and , with some luck, compete for a record in the F/ 
GC and F/GALT classes.

Hope this gets the list moving in a different direction, Don

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Sun Mar  6 20:52:09 2011
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris R Harris)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:52:09 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] Peace restored
In-Reply-To: <bddaf.6637b72c.3aa5a882@aol.com>
References: <bddaf.6637b72c.3aa5a882@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BF34A42CE690436283DD314BB53E563F@HarrisPC>

Wheeew ! ...........................who was that Guy.

Chris H..............NZed. 

From mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Mon Mar  7 06:38:22 2011
From: mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (Meierle, Michael D (Mike))
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:38:22 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time Bonneville
 newbie?
In-Reply-To: <d285.12343c40.3aa2a5f9@aol.com>
References: <d285.12343c40.3aa2a5f9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD0086463@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>

Start here.

http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/Participants.html

Get a Rule Book
Join a Club.

Mike Meierle
#847 F/BMMP
Gear Grinders/Sidewinders
SCTA-BNI/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Askotto at aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:31 PM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time Bonneville
newbie?

Hi, Otto here.

I'm writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide  to
racing Bonneville" and am doing research.  As an experienced racer  yourself,
what main point would you like newbies to know about their first  experience
at the salt.

If you want your specific quote to appear with your name getting  credits,
be sure to include your full name in the response to _askotto at aol.com_
(mailto:askotto at aol.com)

Thanks in advance
Otto
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From calkins at camspray.com  Mon Mar  7 07:02:15 2011
From: calkins at camspray.com (Justin Calkins)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:02:15 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time Bonneville
 newbie?
In-Reply-To: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD0086463@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
Message-ID: <NAEOLNAEBLFDDCMCNIKCMEPCCIAA.calkins@camspray.com>

I joined the BNI and USFRA at the beginning of 2010.  I enjoy reading the
newsletters.  I know that won't teach me anything useful for my first trip
out, but it's good reading.  My thought has always been to run the 130MPH
and 150MPH clubs to get my feet wet.  I'm not sure if that's a good idea or
not, but it's an idea.

Justin Calkins
Cam Spray - Service Department
520 Brooks Road
Iowa Falls, Iowa 50126
800-648-5011  Ext 1232
calkins at camspray.com
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-----Original Message-----
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D (Mike)
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 7:38 AM
To: Askotto at aol.com; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time
Bonneville newbie?


Start here.

http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/Participants.html

Get a Rule Book
Join a Club.

Mike Meierle
#847 F/BMMP
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SCTA-BNI/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Askotto at aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:31 PM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time Bonneville
newbie?

Hi, Otto here.

I'm writing an article for Kool House publishing, "A Newbies guide  to
racing Bonneville" and am doing research.  As an experienced racer
yourself,
what main point would you like newbies to know about their first  experience
at the salt.

If you want your specific quote to appear with your name getting  credits,
be sure to include your full name in the response to _askotto at aol.com_
(mailto:askotto at aol.com)

Thanks in advance
Otto
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From mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Mon Mar  7 07:05:23 2011
From: mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (Meierle, Michael D (Mike))
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 08:05:23 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody got any advise for a first time Bonneville
 newbie?
In-Reply-To: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD0086463@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
References: <d285.12343c40.3aa2a5f9@aol.com>
	<CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD0086463@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
Message-ID: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD0086480@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>

Sorry Guys, E-mail was offline until this morning. Then the response went to
the list.

Do you think his article will get printed? Was it relevant? Or just a re-hash
of already available material?

Mike Meierle
#847 F/BMMP
Gear Grinders/Sidewinders
SCTA-BNI/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder


Start here.

http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/Participants.html

Get a Rule Book
Join a Club.

Mike Meierle
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ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder

From jdincau at qnet.com  Mon Mar  7 07:56:48 2011
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 06:56:48 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Pilot bearing
Message-ID: <7FE23F133D734875964A16F604F3456D@denpc>

Hi all,
     How much press should the transmission shaft pilot bearing have in the 
crank?
Jim 

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  7 10:24:53 2011
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:24:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Pilot bearing
In-Reply-To: <7FE23F133D734875964A16F604F3456D@denpc>
Message-ID: <869981.99883.qm@web39407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't know how the rest of the world does it, but I use oilite bronze
bushings. Usually Ford or Chevy to Ford over the counter parts. I turn a short
lead in on one end and go for about a.005 interference fit. Overnight in the
freezer. Bang it in.

--- On Mon, 3/7/11, Jim Dincau <jdincau at qnet.com> wrote:


From: Jim Dincau <jdincau at qnet.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Pilot bearing
To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 6:56 AM


Hi all,
     How much press should the transmission shaft pilot bearing have in the
crank?
Jim
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon Mar  7 11:00:16 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 11:00:16 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Pilot bearing
In-Reply-To: <869981.99883.qm@web39407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <869981.99883.qm@web39407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A3B4942543DC41A68320642B74DECD9F@tiger>

Jim;

I think the key is to have it fit into the crank tight enough to prevent its 
spinning but not so tight that its inside diameter is shrunk down too tight.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 10:24 AM
To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Jim Dincau" 
<jdincau at qnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Pilot bearing

> I don't know how the rest of the world does it, but I use oilite bronze
> bushings. Usually Ford or Chevy to Ford over the counter parts. I turn a 
> short
> lead in on one end and go for about a.005 interference fit. Overnight in 
> the
> freezer. Bang it in.
>
> --- On Mon, 3/7/11, Jim Dincau <jdincau at qnet.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jim Dincau <jdincau at qnet.com>
> Subject: [Land-speed] Pilot bearing
> To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 6:56 AM
>
>
> Hi all,
>     How much press should the transmission shaft pilot bearing have in the
> crank?
> Jim
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Mon Mar  7 11:32:32 2011
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 13:32:32 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Pilot bearing
Message-ID: <4110E821A947416B896499C41CDA67AE@john>

250#

> Hi all,
>     How much press should the transmission shaft pilot bearing have in the 
> crank?
> Jim

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  7 13:42:13 2011
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 12:42:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Another thought
In-Reply-To: <BA4E033F-E2C6-48E1-8E16-B5FA34A6BC6E@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <365861.33519.qm@web113809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Interesting Don, good luck.
 
DW


--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Don McMeekin <landspeed at columbus.rr.com> wrote:


From: Don McMeekin <landspeed at columbus.rr.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Another thought
To: "LSR LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 7:24 PM


The McMeekin Bros. have been busy this winter working on a project to replace
the straight 8 Buick engine in the 240sx. The Buick thing darn near did us in
with a continuous  parade of nagging problems and we are ready to move on.
Sometimes moving on is the right thing to do when  all else has failed and you
don't know what to try next.

Talk about convoluted logic. Somehow we decided that we would build 1/2 of a
Ford Windsor engine to run at Speed Week this year in the 3 liter class. Not
because there aren't any good 4 cyl engines out there ( there are plenty of
excellent choices ), but because it sounded like an interesting project. Well,
we're into this Ford too deeply to turn around, so in spite of the advice of
friends and fellow racers, it's full speed ahead. The engine will make use of
the usual NASCAR stuff and will be configured to run the right bank in an
inline four fashion. We expect to make about 350 hp if everything works as
intended and , with some luck, compete for a record in the F/GC and F/GALT
classes.

Hope this gets the list moving in a different direction, Don
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue Mar  8 15:57:39 2011
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:57:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing.com
Message-ID: <298DF3396C89494582104165EB2A8A39@GlenPC>

Is anyone else having a problem with logging onto the (latest forum topics)
menu. The web page opens but I get error messages trying tom open anything
else..
This might screw up the Tuesday night chat.

Glen

From ecpurinton at wildblue.net  Tue Mar  8 16:25:57 2011
From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:25:57 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing.com
In-Reply-To: <298DF3396C89494582104165EB2A8A39@GlenPC>
References: <298DF3396C89494582104165EB2A8A39@GlenPC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik_Wfwy1pUQ24QKv9oATRn7JJd8APc2L6nC_AOT@mail.gmail.com>

Glen,

     Couple of buddies tried logging on to the Landracing.com forums and
couldn't about 4 PM EST.  I was still picking up downstairs around the car
so I wasn't up with them to see exactly what they tried and got for error
codes or whatever.  They gave up trying shortly after.

                         Ed

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 5:57 PM, <speedtimer at beyondbb.com> wrote:

> Is anyone else having a problem with logging onto the (latest forum topics)
> menu. The web page opens but I get error messages trying tom open anything
> else..
> This might screw up the Tuesday night chat.
>
> Glen
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From mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Tue Mar  8 17:24:56 2011
From: mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (Meierle, Michael D (Mike))
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:24:56 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing.com
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik_Wfwy1pUQ24QKv9oATRn7JJd8APc2L6nC_AOT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <298DF3396C89494582104165EB2A8A39@GlenPC>
	<AANLkTik_Wfwy1pUQ24QKv9oATRn7JJd8APc2L6nC_AOT@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD00F4665@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>

Had the same problem, sent an E-mail to Seldom Seen Slim.

Mike Meierle
Sr. Systems Engineer
Alcatel-Lucent
7751 Windsor Drive
Dublin, OH 43016
(614) 284-6229
-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Purinton
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 6:26 PM
To: speedtimer at beyondbb.com
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] landracing.com

Glen,

     Couple of buddies tried logging on to the Landracing.com forums and
couldn't about 4 PM EST.  I was still picking up downstairs around the car
so I wasn't up with them to see exactly what they tried and got for error
codes or whatever.  They gave up trying shortly after.

                         Ed

From mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Tue Mar  8 17:26:21 2011
From: mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (Meierle, Michael D (Mike))
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:26:21 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing.com
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik_Wfwy1pUQ24QKv9oATRn7JJd8APc2L6nC_AOT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <298DF3396C89494582104165EB2A8A39@GlenPC>
	<AANLkTik_Wfwy1pUQ24QKv9oATRn7JJd8APc2L6nC_AOT@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD00F4667@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>

Completely offline now...

Mike Meierle
Sr. Systems Engineer
Alcatel-Lucent
7751 Windsor Drive
Dublin, OH 43016
(614) 284-6229

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Purinton
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 6:26 PM
To: speedtimer at beyondbb.com
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] landracing.com

Glen,

     Couple of buddies tried logging on to the Landracing.com forums and
couldn't about 4 PM EST.  I was still picking up downstairs around the car
so I wasn't up with them to see exactly what they tried and got for error
codes or whatever.  They gave up trying shortly after.

                         Ed

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 5:57 PM, <speedtimer at beyondbb.com> wrote:

> Is anyone else having a problem with logging onto the (latest forum topics)
> menu. The web page opens but I get error messages trying tom open anything
> else..
> This might screw up the Tuesday night chat.
>
> Glen
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From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Tue Mar  8 17:50:37 2011
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 19:50:37 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing.com
In-Reply-To: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD00F4667@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
References: <298DF3396C89494582104165EB2A8A39@GlenPC>
	<AANLkTik_Wfwy1pUQ24QKv9oATRn7JJd8APc2L6nC_AOT@mail.gmail.com>
	<CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD00F4667@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
Message-ID: <61DA6EBF-4D00-4E98-95FB-EE3B57F6A4D2@nancyandjon.org>

Hunh?  It sure looks "on" to me -- 7.48 PM Eastern time.  It's been down and
back up a couple of times -- Dan, the guy that runs the server farm where the
site "lives", said he was going out to work on the roof of the chicken coop
and accidentally tripped over the wire that feeds power to the site from the
three lantern batteries.  But -- whatever has happened, it sure looks okay to
me right now -- both the site's homepage and the Forum.  Check it out again --
and be assured that Dan, Bob, and I do know and are trying to get it to 100%
SAP.

Jon a/k/a SSS




On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Meierle, Michael D (Mike) wrote:

Completely offline now...

Mike Meierle
Sr. Systems Engineer
Alcatel-Lucent
7751 Windsor Drive
Dublin, OH 43016
(614) 284-6229

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Purinton
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 6:26 PM
To: speedtimer at beyondbb.com
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] landracing.com

Glen,

    Couple of buddies tried logging on to the Landracing.com forums and
couldn't about 4 PM EST.  I was still picking up downstairs around the car
so I wasn't up with them to see exactly what they tried and got for error
codes or whatever.  They gave up trying shortly after.

                        Ed

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 5:57 PM, <speedtimer at beyondbb.com> wrote:

> Is anyone else having a problem with logging onto the (latest forum topics)
> menu. The web page opens but I get error messages trying tom open anything
> else..
> This might screw up the Tuesday night chat.
>
> Glen
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      Jon Wennerberg
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and a pair of 2 Club hats

From mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Tue Mar  8 17:55:03 2011
From: mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (Meierle, Michael D (Mike))
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:55:03 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing.com
In-Reply-To: <61DA6EBF-4D00-4E98-95FB-EE3B57F6A4D2@nancyandjon.org>
References: <298DF3396C89494582104165EB2A8A39@GlenPC>
	<AANLkTik_Wfwy1pUQ24QKv9oATRn7JJd8APc2L6nC_AOT@mail.gmail.com>
	<CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD00F4667@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
	<61DA6EBF-4D00-4E98-95FB-EE3B57F6A4D2@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD00F466C@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>

Working now, must have been a www.gremlin

Mike Meierle
Sr. Systems Engineer
Alcatel-Lucent
7751 Windsor Drive
Dublin, OH 43016
(614) 284-6229

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Wennerberg [mailto:jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:51 PM
To: Meierle, Michael D (Mike)
Cc: Ed Purinton; speedtimer at beyondbb.com; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] landracing.com

Hunh?  It sure looks "on" to me -- 7.48 PM Eastern time.  It's been down and
back up a couple of times -- Dan, the guy that runs the server farm where the
site "lives", said he was going out to work on the roof of the chicken coop
and accidentally tripped over the wire that feeds power to the site from the
three lantern batteries.  But -- whatever has happened, it sure looks okay to
me right now -- both the site's homepage and the Forum.  Check it out again --
and be assured that Dan, Bob, and I do know and are trying to get it to 100%
SAP.

Jon a/k/a SSS




On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Meierle, Michael D (Mike) wrote:

Completely offline now...

Mike Meierle
Sr. Systems Engineer
Alcatel-Lucent
7751 Windsor Drive
Dublin, OH 43016
(614) 284-6229

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Purinton
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 6:26 PM
To: speedtimer at beyondbb.com
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] landracing.com

Glen,

    Couple of buddies tried logging on to the Landracing.com forums and
couldn't about 4 PM EST.  I was still picking up downstairs around the car
so I wasn't up with them to see exactly what they tried and got for error
codes or whatever.  They gave up trying shortly after.

                        Ed

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 5:57 PM, <speedtimer at beyondbb.com> wrote:

> Is anyone else having a problem with logging onto the (latest forum topics)
> menu. The web page opens but I get error messages trying tom open anything
> else..
> This might screw up the Tuesday night chat.
>
> Glen
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From ed at vetteracing.com  Tue Mar  8 19:57:02 2011
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 02:57:02 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Vintage crashes
Message-ID: <W3927529807309421299639422@webmail44>

Here's a video of vintage crashes...... shows how far safety has progressed through the years. BUT, it is amazing how many guys pick themselves up and walk off after a major crash!!

http://vimeo.com/20247765

Ed Van Scoy 
#128 B/GT Corvette 
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder 

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Mar 10 15:44:31 2011
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:44:31 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Crankshafts, BBC,427
Message-ID: <10031169.53063@webbox.com>

Hi all,
I have been having bad luck with BBC 427 crankshafts. Just ordered
a new one from SCAT and the throws weren't where they are supposed
to be. (by several degrees and several thou. stroke).
I want a 4340, USA forging with center counterweights, 3.75 stroke,
2 piece seal and the throws properly positioned.

I am searching the net but thought that some of you have already
killed some cranks and have found the solution to the problem.

HELP!!!

Thanks in advance,
Skip

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Mar 10 18:13:50 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:13:50 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Crankshafts, BBC,427
In-Reply-To: <10031169.53063@webbox.com>
References: <10031169.53063@webbox.com>
Message-ID: <B1B664024EDE46EFBB47EC04079931E2@tiger>

Skip;

I've always found Crower stuff to be very good quality.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:44 PM
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Crankshafts, BBC,427

> Hi all,
> I have been having bad luck with BBC 427 crankshafts. Just ordered
> a new one from SCAT and the throws weren't where they are supposed
> to be. (by several degrees and several thou. stroke).
> I want a 4340, USA forging with center counterweights, 3.75 stroke,
> 2 piece seal and the throws properly positioned.
>
> I am searching the net but thought that some of you have already
> killed some cranks and have found the solution to the problem.
>
> HELP!!!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Skip
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Thu Mar 10 22:08:40 2011
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 00:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Crankshafts, BBC,427
Message-ID: <C47A00494B694040A268A373F01C05D7@john>

Skip

If you can do without the center counterweights the take outs like ebay 
#250783418514 are hard to beat . Somebody bought 500? 427 short blocks from 
GM  for the blocks . Howards Cams had the cranks for a while and somebody 
else has them now . I got a couple while Howards was selling the nitrided 
ones for $137 and plain for $99 . Top fuelers can't break em . I put 300 
runs on the 427 crank in my A/FD .

John


> Hi all,
> I have been having bad luck with BBC 427 crankshafts. Just ordered
> a new one from SCAT and the throws weren't where they are supposed
> to be. (by several degrees and several thou. stroke).
> I want a 4340, USA forging with center counterweights, 3.75 stroke,
> 2 piece seal and the throws properly positioned.
>
> I am searching the net but thought that some of you have already
> killed some cranks and have found the solution to the problem.
>
> HELP!!!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Skip

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 11 10:32:38 2011
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:32:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Waiting for the wave. Non LSR
Message-ID: <868996.8601.qm@web39408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have been watching the local news this morning. Mostly about the wave expected to be here around now from Japan. It's interesting that lots of people from Half Moon Bay have driven up to Skyline Blvd. (About 1500-2000 FT.) to get out of the way. Just how big do they think this wave will be? On the way they passed plenty of people going to the beach to get the best look at the wave. I think the beach people have a better grasp of reality. But still if I had to choose I think I would be with the hill people.

From adin at frontier.net  Fri Mar 11 11:29:52 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:29:52 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Waiting for the wave. Non LSR
In-Reply-To: <868996.8601.qm@web39408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <868996.8601.qm@web39408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E0C500FD-78CB-45CD-B9AE-53EA990339DB@frontier.net>

The news I heard said wave size was unpredictable.

I am nonswimmer, guess where I'll be?

Good luck.

On Mar 11, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Rich Fox <v4gmr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have been watching the local news this morning. Mostly about the wave
expected to be here around now from Japan. It's interesting that lots of
people from Half Moon Bay have driven up to Skyline Blvd. (About 1500-2000
FT.) to get out of the way. Just how big do they think this wave will be? On
the way they passed plenty of people going to the beach to get the best look
at the wave. I think the beach people have a better grasp of reality. But
still if I had to choose I think I would be with the hill people.
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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 11 13:15:35 2011
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:15:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Waiting for the wave. Non LSR
Message-ID: <31895457.1299874535780.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

California has been wiped off the map.. Fear and anticipation has come true. In the north the "new" bay was made from Lake Tahoe and in the south half of the state the Colorado River dumps into the Pacific right at the new LA formally known as Las Vegas. The one major gain from this was the total loss of Baja Cali and major MJ routes in to, well no matter is not there anymore. Good thing my old coupe was stored upside down for such an emergency...I'm now living in it as a boat....................JD


>Subject: [Land-speed] Waiting for the wave. >
>I have been watching the local news this morning. Mostly about the wave expected to be here around now from Japan. It's interesting that lots of people from Half Moon Bay have driven up to Skyline Blvd. (About 1500-2000 FT.) to get out of the way. Just how big do they think this wave will be? On the way they passed plenty of people going to the beach to get the best look at the wave. I think the beach people have a better grasp of reality. But still if I had to choose I think I would be with the hill people.

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Mar 12 11:19:32 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:19:32 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Still Asking Motor Questions, lol..
Message-ID: <4D7BB934.8070403@mayfco.com>

Not being known for motor building prowess, I rely on the list to help 
me along.  Of late, I have been thinking about the use of a 289 Ford 
(what else?) crank in the Mexican cast block I will pick up in June. I 
would like to use the 302 Ford 5.090 rods rather than the hard to find 
5.155 rod length of the old 289 series motors. And I want to consider 
the use the 302 version of pistons for the same reason as availability 
in race configurations. That puts the piston down hole by 0.065 inches, 
however.  That would reduce the compression ratio quite a bit.  But, I 
normally use dished pistons with about a 13 cc dish anyway.  So if I use 
flat top pistors, I think I can maintain the basic compression ratio, 
but, the "squish" would go away. At least I think it would. I do run the 
turbo on the motor but What I would like to hear comments on doing 
this.  Is this something stupid or actually reasonable to do on a 
boosted motor?  Is it likely to run well or just so so?

No, I don't want to deck the block or mill the heads or find pistons 
with a longer wrist pin compression height. I know I can do those 
things, so, the question is can I do it the way described above and have 
a good performer?

So, you gotta ask..why? Well, I keep looking at the rule book about 
displacement verification using the pump.  If the as pumped displacement 
is within 3% of top or bottom of the engine displacement class size then 
according to the book, it must be torn down for direct measurement.  
That's really the last thing I want to do. So if I can keep the motor 
size for a D motor to 289 - 296 cid range I should always pass a pump 
check and never have a tear down on the salt.  Not that I am worried 
about it because I don't think me or the Sunbeam has the beans or aero 
to qualify or set a record but..just in case, lol. And maybe someone 
else will benefit from this question in some other situation.

mayf

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 12 11:31:26 2011
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:31:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Still Asking Motor Questions, lol..
In-Reply-To: <4D7BB934.8070403@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <80528.26304.qm@web39422.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It seems the wrong thing to kill swirl. I usually want to make sure I build it
in. But with Vintage motors and blown motors sometimes you just can't. And
they seem to run OK anyway. Maybe not the best possible. But I have done it
and it seemed to work compared to what I was running against at the time. 

--- On Sat, 3/12/11, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:


From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Still Asking Motor Questions, lol..
To: "land-speed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 10:19 AM


Not being known for motor building prowess, I rely on the list to help me
along.  Of late, I have been thinking about the use of a 289 Ford (what else?)
crank in the Mexican cast block I will pick up in June. I would like to use
the 302 Ford 5.090 rods rather than the hard to find 5.155 rod length of the
old 289 series motors. And I want to consider the use the 302 version of
pistons for the same reason as availability in race configurations. That puts
the piston down hole by 0.065 inches, however.  That would reduce the
compression ratio quite a bit.  But, I normally use dished pistons with about
a 13 cc dish anyway.  So if I use flat top pistors, I think I can maintain the
basic compression ratio, but, the "squish" would go away. At least I think it
would. I do run the turbo on the motor but What I would like to hear comments
on doing this.  Is this something stupid or actually reasonable to do on a
boosted motor?  Is it likely to run well or
 just so so?

No, I don't want to deck the block or mill the heads or find pistons with a
longer wrist pin compression height. I know I can do those things, so, the
question is can I do it the way described above and have a good performer?

So, you gotta ask..why? Well, I keep looking at the rule book about
displacement verification using the pump.  If the as pumped displacement is
within 3% of top or bottom of the engine displacement class size then
according to the book, it must be torn down for direct measurement.  That's
really the last thing I want to do. So if I can keep the motor size for a D
motor to 289 - 296 cid range I should always pass a pump check and never have
a tear down on the salt.  Not that I am worried about it because I don't think
me or the Sunbeam has the beans or aero to qualify or set a record but..just
in case, lol. And maybe someone else will benefit from this question in some
other situation.

mayf
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From dahlgren536 at comcast.net  Sat Mar 12 15:17:54 2011
From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:17:54 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Still Asking Motor Questions, lol..
In-Reply-To: <4D7BB934.8070403@mayfco.com>
References: <4D7BB934.8070403@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <02D3F17438B54C9692EEE0C533B13BE9@DaveSatellite>

The engine you propose will ne very prone to detonation so basically a 
ticking bomb. Bad idea. Squish is very important.
dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:19 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Still Asking Motor Questions, lol..


> Not being known for motor building prowess, I rely on the list to help me 
> along.  Of late, I have been thinking about the use of a 289 Ford (what 
> else?) crank in the Mexican cast block I will pick up in June. I would 
> like to use the 302 Ford 5.090 rods rather than the hard to find 5.155 rod 
> length of the old 289 series motors. And I want to consider the use the 
> 302 version of pistons for the same reason as availability in race 
> configurations. That puts the piston down hole by 0.065 inches, however. 
> That would reduce the compression ratio quite a bit.  But, I normally use 
> dished pistons with about a 13 cc dish anyway.  So if I use flat top 
> pistors, I think I can maintain the basic compression ratio, but, the 
> "squish" would go away. At least I think it would. I do run the turbo on 
> the motor but What I would like to hear comments on doing this.  Is this 
> something stupid or actually reasonable to do on a boosted motor?  Is it 
> likely to run well or just so so?
>
> No, I don't want to deck the block or mill the heads or find pistons with 
> a longer wrist pin compression height. I know I can do those things, so, 
> the question is can I do it the way described above and have a good 
> performer?
>
> So, you gotta ask..why? Well, I keep looking at the rule book about 
> displacement verification using the pump.  If the as pumped displacement 
> is within 3% of top or bottom of the engine displacement class size then 
> according to the book, it must be torn down for direct measurement. 
> That's really the last thing I want to do. So if I can keep the motor size 
> for a D motor to 289 - 296 cid range I should always pass a pump check and 
> never have a tear down on the salt.  Not that I am worried about it 
> because I don't think me or the Sunbeam has the beans or aero to qualify 
> or set a record but..just in case, lol. And maybe someone else will 
> benefit from this question in some other situation.
>
> mayf
> _______________________________________________
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Mar 12 15:44:49 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:44:49 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Still Asking Motor Questions, lol..
In-Reply-To: <02D3F17438B54C9692EEE0C533B13BE9@DaveSatellite>
References: <4D7BB934.8070403@mayfco.com>
	<02D3F17438B54C9692EEE0C533B13BE9@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <4D7BF761.5070401@mayfco.com>

Good input!

Thanks,

mayf

On 3/12/2011 2:17 PM, Dave Dahlgren wrote:
> The engine you propose will ne very prone to detonation so basically a 
> ticking bomb. Bad idea. Squish is very important.
> dave
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:19 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Still Asking Motor Questions, lol..
>
>
>> Not being known for motor building prowess, I rely on the list to 
>> help me along.  Of late, I have been thinking about the use of a 289 
>> Ford (what else?) crank in the Mexican cast block I will pick up in 
>> June. I would like to use the 302 Ford 5.090 rods rather than the 
>> hard to find 5.155 rod length of the old 289 series motors. And I 
>> want to consider the use the 302 version of pistons for the same 
>> reason as availability in race configurations. That puts the piston 
>> down hole by 0.065 inches, however. That would reduce the compression 
>> ratio quite a bit.  But, I normally use dished pistons with about a 
>> 13 cc dish anyway.  So if I use flat top pistors, I think I can 
>> maintain the basic compression ratio, but, the "squish" would go 
>> away. At least I think it would. I do run the turbo on the motor but 
>> What I would like to hear comments on doing this.  Is this something 
>> stupid or actually reasonable to do on a boosted motor?  Is it likely 
>> to run well or just so so?
>>
>> No, I don't want to deck the block or mill the heads or find pistons 
>> with a longer wrist pin compression height. I know I can do those 
>> things, so, the question is can I do it the way described above and 
>> have a good performer?
>>
>> So, you gotta ask..why? Well, I keep looking at the rule book about 
>> displacement verification using the pump.  If the as pumped 
>> displacement is within 3% of top or bottom of the engine displacement 
>> class size then according to the book, it must be torn down for 
>> direct measurement. That's really the last thing I want to do. So if 
>> I can keep the motor size for a D motor to 289 - 296 cid range I 
>> should always pass a pump check and never have a tear down on the 
>> salt.  Not that I am worried about it because I don't think me or the 
>> Sunbeam has the beans or aero to qualify or set a record but..just in 
>> case, lol. And maybe someone else will benefit from this question in 
>> some other situation.
>>
>> mayf
>> _______________________________________________
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Mar 12 17:43:34 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:43:34 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Still Asking Motor Questions, lol..
In-Reply-To: <4D7BB934.8070403@mayfco.com>
References: <4D7BB934.8070403@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4D7C1336.1040803@mayfco.com>

Well, thanks to the folk who answered my basic question. As a result of 
the answer that Dave gave and Rick seconded strongly, I went searching 
some more.  I have located a 4340 forged 289 crank AND 5.155 H beam 
forged 4340 rods. The compression height for the 289 is the same for the 
302 with teh OEM rod and stroke lengths. When I think about it, that has 
to be since the deck height is the same.  Forged 302 dished pistons are 
readily available so no issue at all there.

Rotating assy solved!

Now to just get the stuff....

Thanks again!

mayf

On 3/12/2011 10:19 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote:
> Not being known for motor building prowess, I rely on the list to help 
> me along.  Of late, I have been thinking about the use of a 289 Ford 
> (what else?) crank in the Mexican cast block I will pick up in June. I 
> would like to use the 302 Ford 5.090 rods rather than the hard to find 
> 5.155 rod length of the old 289 series motors. And I want to consider 
> the use the 302 version of pistons for the same reason as availability 
> in race configurations. That puts the piston down hole by 0.065 
> inches, however.  That would reduce the compression ratio quite a 
> bit.  But, I normally use dished pistons with about a 13 cc dish 
> anyway.  So if I use flat top pistors, I think I can maintain the 
> basic compression ratio, but, the "squish" would go away. At least I 
> think it would. I do run the turbo on the motor but What I would like 
> to hear comments on doing this.  Is this something stupid or actually 
> reasonable to do on a boosted motor?  Is it likely to run well or just 
> so so?
>
> No, I don't want to deck the block or mill the heads or find pistons 
> with a longer wrist pin compression height. I know I can do those 
> things, so, the question is can I do it the way described above and 
> have a good performer?
>
> So, you gotta ask..why? Well, I keep looking at the rule book about 
> displacement verification using the pump.  If the as pumped 
> displacement is within 3% of top or bottom of the engine displacement 
> class size then according to the book, it must be torn down for direct 
> measurement.  That's really the last thing I want to do. So if I can 
> keep the motor size for a D motor to 289 - 296 cid range I should 
> always pass a pump check and never have a tear down on the salt.  Not 
> that I am worried about it because I don't think me or the Sunbeam has 
> the beans or aero to qualify or set a record but..just in case, lol. 
> And maybe someone else will benefit from this question in some other 
> situation.
>
> mayf
> _______________________________________________
> Land-speed at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Mar 13 06:25:15 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:25:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Still Asking Motor Questions, lol..
In-Reply-To: <4D7BB934.8070403@mayfco.com>
References: <4D7BB934.8070403@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4D7CC5BB.303@mayfco.com>

Well, thanks to the folk who answered my basic question. As a result of 
the answer that Dave gave and Rick seconded strongly, I went searching 
some more.  I have located a 4340 forged 289 crank AND 5.155 H beam 
forged 4340 rods. The compression height for the 289 is the same for the 
302 with teh OEM rod and stroke lengths. When I think about it, that has 
to be since the deck height is the same.  Forged 302 dished pistons are 
readily available so no issue at all there.

Rotating assy solved!

Now to just get the stuff....

Thanks again!

mayf

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sun Mar 13 16:52:06 2011
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:52:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] New technology S-CO2
Message-ID: <495AD5AF7BF54208800B0D273523B1AC@edc2750afa5a84>

It's been a period of enforced personal silence after I got involved in an
unfortunate exchange here.  But I thought it was worth making this one post
which may be of interest to some.
Check out:
http://www.sandia.gov/LabNews/110211.html
It's a Sandia press release of sorts describing one of their projects.

For extensive detail here's the Sandia technical paper on the project.
http://prod.sandia.gov/techlib/access-control.cgi/2010/100171.pdf

So what's the connection to land speed racing?
The first photo in the web page shows a picture of some equipment under test
and in the back ground is a young engineer from Barber-Nichols, a Colorado
company.
Remember that name?  It's painted on a car in a Reno museum.
http://www.oiccam.com/reno/car_museum/racecars/1977_steamin_demon.shtml
 The Barber name is also on the first page of our Bonneville records in the
rule book under class  /S.

Now take a close look at that photo in the Sandia release and just left of the
center of the picture is a cylindrical metallic assembly about a foot in
diameter and 30 some inches long.  That is a 240 KW (320hp) Turbo generator
pumping high pressure supercritical CO2 (S-CO2) from one end into a boiler of
sorts which feeds a turbine on the other end which in turn sends the now
energy depleted S-CO2  to a condenser from which it returns the loop to the
compressor.  The energy output is electricity.  At this point there is a lot
for me to learn about this process; but I can't help but wonder if the
"boiler" and "condenser" can be made a small enough size to fit in a
streamliner or lakester and whether the condenser cooling can be compact
enough to fit into a practical streamliner body.  I'm assuming here that air
cooling with the S-CO2 coolant being reused is the only way.  I doubt if
enough CO2 could be carried along to just exhaust it into the air the way a
steam loco or Stanley Steamer dumps water.  Nor is such an approach liable to
attract any outside technical support for obvious political reasons.
PorkPie:  Got your ears on?
Ed Weldon

From dahlgren536 at comcast.net  Mon Mar 14 01:37:03 2011
From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 04:37:03 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] New technology S-CO2
In-Reply-To: <495AD5AF7BF54208800B0D273523B1AC@edc2750afa5a84>
References: <495AD5AF7BF54208800B0D273523B1AC@edc2750afa5a84>
Message-ID: <DD90F561FA524D029142B60B63CE82E7@DaveSatellite>

Think water cooled intercooler with ice water and pump for the condenser..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "23weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:52 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] New technology S-CO2


> It's been a period of enforced personal silence after I got involved in an
> unfortunate exchange here.  But I thought it was worth making this one 
> post
> which may be of interest to some.
> Check out:
> http://www.sandia.gov/LabNews/110211.html
> It's a Sandia press release of sorts describing one of their projects.
>
> For extensive detail here's the Sandia technical paper on the project.
> http://prod.sandia.gov/techlib/access-control.cgi/2010/100171.pdf
>
> So what's the connection to land speed racing?
> The first photo in the web page shows a picture of some equipment under 
> test
> and in the back ground is a young engineer from Barber-Nichols, a Colorado
> company.
> Remember that name?  It's painted on a car in a Reno museum.
> http://www.oiccam.com/reno/car_museum/racecars/1977_steamin_demon.shtml
> The Barber name is also on the first page of our Bonneville records in the
> rule book under class  /S.
>
> Now take a close look at that photo in the Sandia release and just left of 
> the
> center of the picture is a cylindrical metallic assembly about a foot in
> diameter and 30 some inches long.  That is a 240 KW (320hp) Turbo 
> generator
> pumping high pressure supercritical CO2 (S-CO2) from one end into a boiler 
> of
> sorts which feeds a turbine on the other end which in turn sends the now
> energy depleted S-CO2  to a condenser from which it returns the loop to 
> the
> compressor.  The energy output is electricity.  At this point there is a 
> lot
> for me to learn about this process; but I can't help but wonder if the
> "boiler" and "condenser" can be made a small enough size to fit in a
> streamliner or lakester and whether the condenser cooling can be compact
> enough to fit into a practical streamliner body.  I'm assuming here that 
> air
> cooling with the S-CO2 coolant being reused is the only way.  I doubt if
> enough CO2 could be carried along to just exhaust it into the air the way 
> a
> steam loco or Stanley Steamer dumps water.  Nor is such an approach liable 
> to
> attract any outside technical support for obvious political reasons.
> PorkPie:  Got your ears on?
> Ed Weldon

From Saltrat at pahrump.com  Mon Mar 14 12:04:08 2011
From: Saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:04:08 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Crankshafts, BBC, 427
Message-ID: <20110314190404.F27A01878A8@autox.team.net>

Thank you everyone for the responses and good information, I 
appreciate it! After considering all inputs and my power requirements 
AND budget, I think that I will go with a factory new  forged crank 
as suggested by John Burke and Bill Smith (Sparky).

Again, thank you all very much,
Skip

From jdincau at qnet.com  Tue Mar 15 16:56:48 2011
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:56:48 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Cylinder head vollume
Message-ID: <9B4DB256F3E14889A3EAD8DA4CC1026C@denpc>

Hi all,
     What is the allowable variation between chamber CC's? I know the 
desirable is zero but what is practical?
Jim 

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Mar 15 21:27:50 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:27:50 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...
Message-ID: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>

Last week I asked about mixing and matching the cranks, pistons and rods 
between a 289 and  302 sized motors. The use of the shorter 302 rod with 
a 289 crank was not deemed to be a good idea because it puts the piston 
down hole 0.065 inches. Seemingly small but apparently important in 
squish.  But when I look at a combo made for a particular engine, say 
the 289, virtually everyone of the piston makers use something other 
than the zero deck height  compression height of 1.6135 inches.  Most 
sell their pistons at 1.60 inches which also puts the piston down hole 
by 0.0135 inches.  Is that a significant amount?  I did sample  a number 
of products and one was 1.608 which is closer.

What's good?

mayf

From neil at dbelltech.com  Wed Mar 16 10:00:31 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:00:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of  course...
In-Reply-To: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <E5D36E8D7EBC4FEC8F158D2E92C14738@tiger>

Larry;

You need enough clearance to allow for rod stretch at high RPM. That said, I 
don't know what it should be!  :)

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:27 PM
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...

> Last week I asked about mixing and matching the cranks, pistons and rods 
> between a 289 and  302 sized motors. The use of the shorter 302 rod with a 
> 289 crank was not deemed to be a good idea because it puts the piston down 
> hole 0.065 inches. Seemingly small but apparently important in squish. 
> But when I look at a combo made for a particular engine, say the 289, 
> virtually everyone of the piston makers use something other than the zero 
> deck height  compression height of 1.6135 inches.  Most sell their pistons 
> at 1.60 inches which also puts the piston down hole by 0.0135 inches.  Is 
> that a significant amount?  I did sample  a number of products and one was 
> 1.608 which is closer.
>
> What's good?
>
> mayf
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Mar 16 10:10:10 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:10:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of  course...
In-Reply-To: <E5D36E8D7EBC4FEC8F158D2E92C14738@tiger>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
	<E5D36E8D7EBC4FEC8F158D2E92C14738@tiger>
Message-ID: <4D80EEF2.1040703@mayfco.com>

Well, I don't think rod stretch in a turbo motor is an issue. That's 
because there is always residual pressure on the top of the piston. That 
prevents a majority of stretch IMHO, lol (my opinion being worth dog spit).

mayf

On 3/16/2011 10:00 AM, Neil Albaugh wrote:
> Larry;
>
> You need enough clearance to allow for rod stretch at high RPM. That 
> said, I don't know what it should be!  :)
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:27 PM
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...
>
>> Last week I asked about mixing and matching the cranks, pistons and 
>> rods between a 289 and  302 sized motors. The use of the shorter 302 
>> rod with a 289 crank was not deemed to be a good idea because it puts 
>> the piston down hole 0.065 inches. Seemingly small but apparently 
>> important in squish. But when I look at a combo made for a particular 
>> engine, say the 289, virtually everyone of the piston makers use 
>> something other than the zero deck height  compression height of 
>> 1.6135 inches.  Most sell their pistons at 1.60 inches which also 
>> puts the piston down hole by 0.0135 inches.  Is that a significant 
>> amount?  I did sample  a number of products and one was 1.608 which 
>> is closer.
>>
>> What's good?

From mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Wed Mar 16 10:21:43 2011
From: mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (Meierle, Michael D (Mike))
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:21:43 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block,
 Of   course...
In-Reply-To: <4D80EEF2.1040703@mayfco.com>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
	<E5D36E8D7EBC4FEC8F158D2E92C14738@tiger> <4D80EEF2.1040703@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD01655C1@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>

Come on Doc, I was hoping for some mass in motion calculations...

Mike Meierle
Sr. Systems Engineer
Alcatel-Lucent
7751 Windsor Drive
Dublin, OH 43016
(614) 284-6229

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:10 PM
To: Neil Albaugh
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...

Well, I don't think rod stretch in a turbo motor is an issue. That's
because there is always residual pressure on the top of the piston. That
prevents a majority of stretch IMHO, lol (my opinion being worth dog spit).

mayf

On 3/16/2011 10:00 AM, Neil Albaugh wrote:
> Larry;
>
> You need enough clearance to allow for rod stretch at high RPM. That
> said, I don't know what it should be!  :)
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:27 PM
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...
>
>> Last week I asked about mixing and matching the cranks, pistons and
>> rods between a 289 and  302 sized motors. The use of the shorter 302
>> rod with a 289 crank was not deemed to be a good idea because it puts
>> the piston down hole 0.065 inches. Seemingly small but apparently
>> important in squish. But when I look at a combo made for a particular
>> engine, say the 289, virtually everyone of the piston makers use
>> something other than the zero deck height  compression height of
>> 1.6135 inches.  Most sell their pistons at 1.60 inches which also
>> puts the piston down hole by 0.0135 inches.  Is that a significant
>> amount?  I did sample  a number of products and one was 1.608 which
>> is closer.
>>
>> What's good?
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Mar 16 10:36:34 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:36:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block,
 Of   course...
In-Reply-To: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD01655C1@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
	<E5D36E8D7EBC4FEC8F158D2E92C14738@tiger> <4D80EEF2.1040703@mayfco.com>
	<CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD01655C1@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
Message-ID: <4D80F522.4060404@mayfco.com>

Yeah, that could be done. But lots of variables and parameters. Like rod 
material, piston material, ring drag on cylinder walls, piston speed, 
wrist pin weigh,  residual cylinder pressures, cam overlap, etc.  I did 
do some a bit of analysis  a number of years ago. Lemme look and see if 
any of that is adaptable. If I can find it..getting old...brain cells 
are dying by the car load, lol...

maybe a good thing...

mayf

On 3/16/2011 10:21 AM, Meierle, Michael D (Mike) wrote:
> Come on Doc, I was hoping for some mass in motion calculations...
>
> Mike Meierle
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> Alcatel-Lucent
> 7751 Windsor Drive
> Dublin, OH 43016
> (614) 284-6229
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:10 PM
> To: Neil Albaugh
> Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...
>
> Well, I don't think rod stretch in a turbo motor is an issue. That's
> because there is always residual pressure on the top of the piston. That
> prevents a majority of stretch IMHO, lol (my opinion being worth dog spit).
>
> mayf
>
> On 3/16/2011 10:00 AM, Neil Albaugh wrote:
>> Larry;
>>
>> You need enough clearance to allow for rod stretch at high RPM. That
>> said, I don't know what it should be!  :)
>>
>> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Larry Mayfield"<drmayf at mayfco.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:27 PM
>> To:<land-speed at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...
>>
>>> Last week I asked about mixing and matching the cranks, pistons and
>>> rods between a 289 and  302 sized motors. The use of the shorter 302
>>> rod with a 289 crank was not deemed to be a good idea because it puts
>>> the piston down hole 0.065 inches. Seemingly small but apparently
>>> important in squish. But when I look at a combo made for a particular
>>> engine, say the 289, virtually everyone of the piston makers use
>>> something other than the zero deck height  compression height of
>>> 1.6135 inches.  Most sell their pistons at 1.60 inches which also
>>> puts the piston down hole by 0.0135 inches.  Is that a significant
>>> amount?  I did sample  a number of products and one was 1.608 which
>>> is closer.
>>>
>>> What's good?
> _______________________________________________
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Mar 16 11:34:29 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:34:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block,
 Of   course...
In-Reply-To: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD01655C1@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
	<E5D36E8D7EBC4FEC8F158D2E92C14738@tiger> <4D80EEF2.1040703@mayfco.com>
	<CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD01655C1@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
Message-ID: <4D8102B5.9060608@mayfco.com>

Ok, after thinking about it a bit, the loads are harmonic and piston 
velocity and acceleration are reasonably easy to calculate. The since 
you know the3 acceleration of the piston at any given rpm and is you 
know the mass of the piston [lus the little end of the rod, you can 
calculate  the wrist pin loads.  Then see if th back pressure on top of 
the psiton counters that load. Simple, eh?  I'll get right on it.... I 
have the equation I developed some time ago.  I will see if I can make a 
spread sheet out of it for all to see!

mayf

On 3/16/2011 10:21 AM, Meierle, Michael D (Mike) wrote:
> Come on Doc, I was hoping for some mass in motion calculations...
>
> Mike Meierle
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> Alcatel-Lucent
> 7751 Windsor Drive
> Dublin, OH 43016
> (614) 284-6229
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:10 PM
> To: Neil Albaugh
> Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...
>
> Well, I don't think rod stretch in a turbo motor is an issue. That's
> because there is always residual pressure on the top of the piston. That
> prevents a majority of stretch IMHO, lol (my opinion being worth dog spit).
>
> mayf
>
> On 3/16/2011 10:00 AM, Neil Albaugh wrote:
>> Larry;
>>
>> You need enough clearance to allow for rod stretch at high RPM. That
>> said, I don't know what it should be!  :)
>>
>> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Larry Mayfield"<drmayf at mayfco.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:27 PM
>> To:<land-speed at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...
>>
>>> Last week I asked about mixing and matching the cranks, pistons and
>>> rods between a 289 and  302 sized motors. The use of the shorter 302
>>> rod with a 289 crank was not deemed to be a good idea because it puts
>>> the piston down hole 0.065 inches. Seemingly small but apparently
>>> important in squish. But when I look at a combo made for a particular
>>> engine, say the 289, virtually everyone of the piston makers use
>>> something other than the zero deck height  compression height of
>>> 1.6135 inches.  Most sell their pistons at 1.60 inches which also
>>> puts the piston down hole by 0.0135 inches.  Is that a significant
>>> amount?  I did sample  a number of products and one was 1.608 which
>>> is closer.
>>>
>>> What's good?
> _______________________________________________
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From yesford at clear.net.nz  Wed Mar 16 16:47:14 2011
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris R Harris)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:47:14 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of  course...
In-Reply-To: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <9253DF70C8BE44B5817EB23139D739B3@HarrisPC>

> What's good?
>
> mayf

With a good STEEL rod and 3.625 stroke @ 8,500 rpm, 40 thou squish clearance 
keeps our piston tops very clean.
It's simply, piston at deck height then a 40 thou gasket.
Your smaller engine my get away with less, but any more than 40 thou would 
not be very effective.
Chris Harris......................NZed. 

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Mar 17 17:51:06 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:51:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of  course...
In-Reply-To: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <FF6C1488A28E4473B2608EAD6F0D83B0@tiger>

Mayf;

I found this:   http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/squishcalc1.html   It discusses 
deck height & "squish".

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:27 PM
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...

> Last week I asked about mixing and matching the cranks, pistons and rods 
> between a 289 and  302 sized motors. The use of the shorter 302 rod with a 
> 289 crank was not deemed to be a good idea because it puts the piston down 
> hole 0.065 inches. Seemingly small but apparently important in squish. 
> But when I look at a combo made for a particular engine, say the 289, 
> virtually everyone of the piston makers use something other than the zero 
> deck height  compression height of 1.6135 inches.  Most sell their pistons 
> at 1.60 inches which also puts the piston down hole by 0.0135 inches.  Is 
> that a significant amount?  I did sample  a number of products and one was 
> 1.608 which is closer.
>
> What's good?
>
> mayf
> _______________________________________________
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Mar 17 20:21:33 2011
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:21:33 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of  course...
In-Reply-To: <FF6C1488A28E4473B2608EAD6F0D83B0@tiger>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
	<FF6C1488A28E4473B2608EAD6F0D83B0@tiger>
Message-ID: <4D82CFBD.7030201@mayfco.com>

Thanks, I'll look at it!

mayf

On 3/17/2011 5:51 PM, Neil Albaugh wrote:
> Mayf;
>
> I found this:   http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/squishcalc1.html   It 
> discusses deck height & "squish".
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:27 PM
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...
>
>> Last week I asked about mixing and matching the cranks, pistons and 
>> rods between a 289 and  302 sized motors. The use of the shorter 302 
>> rod with a 289 crank was not deemed to be a good idea because it puts 
>> the piston down hole 0.065 inches. Seemingly small but apparently 
>> important in squish. But when I look at a combo made for a particular 
>> engine, say the 289, virtually everyone of the piston makers use 
>> something other than the zero deck height  compression height of 
>> 1.6135 inches.  Most sell their pistons at 1.60 inches which also 
>> puts the piston down hole by 0.0135 inches.  Is that a significant 
>> amount?  I did sample  a number of products and one was 1.608 which 
>> is closer.
>>
>> What's good?
>>
>> mayf
>> _______________________________________________
>> Land-speed at autox.team.net
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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 17 22:06:27 2011
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:06:27 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block,
 Of   course...
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
	<FF6C1488A28E4473B2608EAD6F0D83B0@tiger>
Message-ID: <1B9A2685BF574E7EA63CAFDFA528FDDC@mydf7618c59bbf>

After reading it, I found that 4 pistons hitting the head wasn't a bad thing 
after all and I went faster than I ever had. :<)
>
> I found this:   http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/squishcalc1.html   It 
> discusses deck height & "squish".
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Fri Mar 18 07:18:35 2011
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:18:35 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of  course...
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <BEFC4664D5B74A01850BA5F952BE476F@Rick>

Hi Doc
Most of my motors have had piston down in the bore at least .010".
A lifetime ago I built a turbo motor with .160"piston to deck, to get 
compression lower, and it ran just fine and made more power than I expected. 
Speeds suggest around 400 HP from 2.5L.  While this is nothing by today's 
standards

My uneducated guess is that even with the smallish turbo I was using then, 
just created so much inlet turbulence that  the piston 
position/squish/quench became less important.

Now in later years the same engine with a properly designed piston with a 
large enough sump to get compression down to where I wanted, made lots more 
power, but many other parts had been changed as well.  Wayyyy more power.

So, I'm gonna say for a street engine of some unknown HP. down in the bore a 
little (like .060") probably would be just fine........
go for it..........and have some fun 

From dahlgren536 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 18 07:35:33 2011
From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:35:33 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block,
 Of   course...
In-Reply-To: <BEFC4664D5B74A01850BA5F952BE476F@Rick>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
	<BEFC4664D5B74A01850BA5F952BE476F@Rick>
Message-ID: <F4D0BF756E4E434DA687103DD96DC714@DaveSatellite>

It is just as easy to do right though..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...


> Hi Doc
> Most of my motors have had piston down in the bore at least .010".
> A lifetime ago I built a turbo motor with .160"piston to deck, to get 
> compression lower, and it ran just fine and made more power than I 
> expected. Speeds suggest around 400 HP from 2.5L.  While this is nothing 
> by today's standards
>
> My uneducated guess is that even with the smallish turbo I was using then, 
> just created so much inlet turbulence that  the piston 
> position/squish/quench became less important.
>
> Now in later years the same engine with a properly designed piston with a 
> large enough sump to get compression down to where I wanted, made lots 
> more power, but many other parts had been changed as well.  Wayyyy more 
> power.
>
> So, I'm gonna say for a street engine of some unknown HP. down in the bore 
> a little (like .060") probably would be just fine........
> go for it..........and have some fun

From turborick at turborick.com  Fri Mar 18 07:53:41 2011
From: turborick at turborick.com (Rick Yacoucci)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:53:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block,
 Of   course...
In-Reply-To: <BEFC4664D5B74A01850BA5F952BE476F@Rick>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com>
	<BEFC4664D5B74A01850BA5F952BE476F@Rick>
Message-ID: <018b01cbe57c$46085e10$d2191a30$@com>

I have found squish to have a profound effect on the engine need's for
octane


Thanks

Rick Yacoucci


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Byrnes
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:19 AM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...

Hi Doc
Most of my motors have had piston down in the bore at least .010".
A lifetime ago I built a turbo motor with .160"piston to deck, to get 
compression lower, and it ran just fine and made more power than I expected.

Speeds suggest around 400 HP from 2.5L.  While this is nothing by today's 
standards

My uneducated guess is that even with the smallish turbo I was using then, 
just created so much inlet turbulence that  the piston 
position/squish/quench became less important.

Now in later years the same engine with a properly designed piston with a 
large enough sump to get compression down to where I wanted, made lots more 
power, but many other parts had been changed as well.  Wayyyy more power.

So, I'm gonna say for a street engine of some unknown HP. down in the bore a

little (like .060") probably would be just fine........
go for it..........and have some fun 
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From dahlgren536 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 18 08:09:04 2011
From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:09:04 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block,
 Of    course...
In-Reply-To: <018b01cbe57c$46085e10$d2191a30$@com>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com><BEFC4664D5B74A01850BA5F952BE476F@Rick>
	<018b01cbe57c$46085e10$d2191a30$@com>
Message-ID: <565E6CAA24A841969DFA4F4E0291C3E7@DaveSatellite>

Yup what Rick said !!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Yacoucci" <turborick at turborick.com>
To: "'Rick Byrnes'" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>; <drmayf at mayfco.com>; 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...


>I have found squish to have a profound effect on the engine need's for
> octane
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick Yacoucci

From mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Fri Mar 18 08:11:47 2011
From: mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (Meierle, Michael D (Mike))
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:11:47 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of  course...
In-Reply-To: <565E6CAA24A841969DFA4F4E0291C3E7@DaveSatellite>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com><BEFC4664D5B74A01850BA5F952BE476F@Rick>
	<018b01cbe57c$46085e10$d2191a30$@com>
	<565E6CAA24A841969DFA4F4E0291C3E7@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD0165B62@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>

Anybody want to elaborate for us amateurs?

Mike Meierle
#847 F/BMMP
Gear Grinders/Sidewinders
SCTA-BNI/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Dahlgren
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:09 AM
To: Rick Yacoucci; 'Rick Byrnes'; drmayf at mayfco.com;
land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...

Yup what Rick said !!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Yacoucci" <turborick at turborick.com>
To: "'Rick Byrnes'" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>; <drmayf at mayfco.com>;
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...


>I have found squish to have a profound effect on the engine need's for
> octane
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick Yacoucci

From dahlgren536 at comcast.net  Fri Mar 18 08:29:26 2011
From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:29:26 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block,
 Of   course...
In-Reply-To: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD0165B62@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com><BEFC4664D5B74A01850BA5F952BE476F@Rick><018b01cbe57c$46085e10$d2191a30$@com><565E6CAA24A841969DFA4F4E0291C3E7@DaveSatellite>
	<CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD0165B62@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
Message-ID: <6785AB4E51F5400C9451F9F802736D3F@DaveSatellite>

The short story is squish will cause turbulence and push the much better 
mixed fuel into the center of the ball in a very compact volume with no 
stray bits here and there. The smaller the area the less need for a lot of 
advance and the lower octane requirement. FIW a dished piston with a very 
small chamber is the best for making power it has been documented more than 
once. Like a diesel..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meierle, Michael D (Mike)" <mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...


> Anybody want to elaborate for us amateurs?
>
> Mike Meierle
> #847 F/BMMP
> Gear Grinders/Sidewinders
> SCTA-BNI/ECTA
> ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder

From turborick at turborick.com  Fri Mar 18 11:24:28 2011
From: turborick at turborick.com (Rick Yacoucci)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:24:28 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block,
 Of    course...
In-Reply-To: <6785AB4E51F5400C9451F9F802736D3F@DaveSatellite>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com><BEFC4664D5B74A01850BA5F952BE476F@Rick><018b01cbe57c$46085e10$d2191a30$@com><565E6CAA24A841969DFA4F4E0291C3E7@DaveSatellite>
	<CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD0165B62@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
	<6785AB4E51F5400C9451F9F802736D3F@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <01ca01cbe599$b90bdaf0$2b2390d0$@com>

Well said

Thanks

Rick Yacoucci



-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Dahlgren
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:29 AM
To: Meierle, Michael D (Mike); land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...

The short story is squish will cause turbulence and push the much better 
mixed fuel into the center of the ball in a very compact volume with no 
stray bits here and there. The smaller the area the less need for a lot of 
advance and the lower octane requirement. FIW a dished piston with a very 
small chamber is the best for making power it has been documented more than 
once. Like a diesel..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meierle, Michael D (Mike)" <mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...


> Anybody want to elaborate for us amateurs?
>
> Mike Meierle
> #847 F/BMMP
> Gear Grinders/Sidewinders
> SCTA-BNI/ECTA
> ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder
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From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Fri Mar 18 18:13:20 2011
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:13:20 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block,
 Of    course...
In-Reply-To: <6785AB4E51F5400C9451F9F802736D3F@DaveSatellite>
References: <4D803C46.4050408@mayfco.com><BEFC4664D5B74A01850BA5F952BE476F@Rick><018b01cbe57c$46085e10$d2191a30$@com><565E6CAA24A841969DFA4F4E0291C3E7@DaveSatellite><CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AD0165B62@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
	<6785AB4E51F5400C9451F9F802736D3F@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <EC7AEFF0E1A345B6AA934B144A04D4B7@VAIO>

How does this relate to a BBC????

Jim Webb
Chock Full o' Nuts
AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
 
-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Dahlgren
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:29 AM
To: Meierle, Michael D (Mike); land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...

The short story is squish will cause turbulence and push the much better 
mixed fuel into the center of the ball in a very compact volume with no 
stray bits here and there. The smaller the area the less need for a lot of 
advance and the lower octane requirement. FIW a dished piston with a very 
small chamber is the best for making power it has been documented more than 
once. Like a diesel..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meierle, Michael D (Mike)" <mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Compression Height, Ford Small Block, Of course...


> Anybody want to elaborate for us amateurs?
>
> Mike Meierle
> #847 F/BMMP
> Gear Grinders/Sidewinders
> SCTA-BNI/ECTA
> ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Mar 23 20:50:45 2011
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:50:45 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Shoplifter injured in Atlanta
References: <4149A9FB55DD45C89B5E5F4726CD9A94@KentPC>
Message-ID: <7AA1EF87-E154-4F71-B2FB-88636D139E75@comcast.net>

> As a retailer I appreciate this report.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>        Subject:  Shoplifter injured in Atlanta
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>         Augusta, GA
>
>         Orville Smith, a store manager for Best Buy in Augusta, Georgia,
> told police he observed a male customer, later identified as Tyrone Jackson
> of Augusta, on surveillance cameras putting a laptop computer under his
> jacket... When confronted the man became irate, knocked down an employee,
> drew a knife and ran for the door.
>
>         Outside on the sidewalk were four Marines collecting toys for the
> "Toys for Tots" program. Smith said the Marines stopped the man, but he
> stabbed one of the Marines, Cpl. Phillip Duggan, in the back; the injury
did
> not appear to be severe.
>
>         After Police and an ambulance arrived at the scene Cpl. Duggan was
> transported for treatment.
>
>         The subject was also transported to the local hospital with two
> broken arms, a broken ankle, a broken leg, several missing teeth, possible
> broken ribs, multiple contusions, assorted lacerations, a broken nose and a
> broken jaw... injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off of the
curb
> after stabbing the Marine.
>
>         Now that was a well written Police report.

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Mar 24 07:45:46 2011
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:45:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Shoplifter injured in Atlanta
In-Reply-To: <7AA1EF87-E154-4F71-B2FB-88636D139E75@comcast.net>
References: <4149A9FB55DD45C89B5E5F4726CD9A94@KentPC>
	<7AA1EF87-E154-4F71-B2FB-88636D139E75@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20110324144538.E43D4187645@autox.team.net>

As a citizen, I appreciate it too! Too bad the thief was so clumsy.
Skip



At 08:50 PM 3/23/2011, Wester Potter wrote:
> > As a retailer I appreciate this report.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >        Subject:  Shoplifter injured in Atlanta
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         Augusta, GA
> >
> >         Orville Smith, a store manager for Best Buy in Augusta, Georgia,
> > told police he observed a male customer, later identified as Tyrone Jackson
> > of Augusta, on surveillance cameras putting a laptop computer under his
> > jacket... When confronted the man became irate, knocked down an employee,
> > drew a knife and ran for the door.
> >
> >         Outside on the sidewalk were four Marines collecting toys for the
> > "Toys for Tots" program. Smith said the Marines stopped the man, but he
> > stabbed one of the Marines, Cpl. Phillip Duggan, in the back; the injury
>did
> > not appear to be severe.
> >
> >         After Police and an ambulance arrived at the scene Cpl. Duggan was
> > transported for treatment.
> >
> >         The subject was also transported to the local hospital with two
> > broken arms, a broken ankle, a broken leg, several missing teeth, possible
> > broken ribs, multiple contusions, assorted lacerations, a broken nose and a
> > broken jaw... injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off of the
>curb
> > after stabbing the Marine.
> >
> >         Now that was a well written Police report.
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From camlsr at comcast.net  Thu Mar 24 10:11:44 2011
From: camlsr at comcast.net (Bob Parker)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:11:44 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Shoplifter injured in Atlanta
In-Reply-To: <20110324144538.E43D4187645@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <67CF9CAF1A594A8EA29F8E1A85E62087@compaq>

Really too bad, I think the curbs are extra high because of all the rain !!!

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Skip Higginbotham
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 10:46 AM
To: Wester Potter; LAND SPEED LIST
Subject: [Land-speed] Shoplifter injured in Atlanta

As a citizen, I appreciate it too! Too bad the thief was so clumsy.
Skip



At 08:50 PM 3/23/2011, Wester Potter wrote:
> > As a retailer I appreciate this report.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >        Subject:  Shoplifter injured in Atlanta
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         Augusta, GA
> >
> >         Orville Smith, a store manager for Best Buy in Augusta, Georgia,
> > told police he observed a male customer, later identified as Tyrone
Jackson
> > of Augusta, on surveillance cameras putting a laptop computer under his
> > jacket... When confronted the man became irate, knocked down an
employee,
> > drew a knife and ran for the door.
> >
> >         Outside on the sidewalk were four Marines collecting toys for
the
> > "Toys for Tots" program. Smith said the Marines stopped the man, but he
> > stabbed one of the Marines, Cpl. Phillip Duggan, in the back; the injury
>did
> > not appear to be severe.
> >
> >         After Police and an ambulance arrived at the scene Cpl. Duggan
was
> > transported for treatment.
> >
> >         The subject was also transported to the local hospital with two
> > broken arms, a broken ankle, a broken leg, several missing teeth,
possible
> > broken ribs, multiple contusions, assorted lacerations, a broken nose
and a
> > broken jaw... injuries he sustained when he slipped and fell off of the
>curb
> > after stabbing the Marine.
> >
> >         Now that was a well written Police report.
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From saltfevr at q.com  Thu Mar 24 15:51:57 2011
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:51:57 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] email test
Message-ID: <SNT126-W157FD8AF53C95197065FA8C9B60@phx.gbl>

HI all:

Haven't received ANY email for 2 wks. from anywhere, might have been hacked?
Could someone please reply to this test? Thanks

Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah

From calkins at camspray.com  Thu Mar 24 16:47:50 2011
From: calkins at camspray.com (Justin Calkins)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:47:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] email test
In-Reply-To: <SNT126-W157FD8AF53C95197065FA8C9B60@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT126-W157FD8AF53C95197065FA8C9B60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1301010470.102130214@192.168.4.58>

Testicle, Testicle, One, Two....
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: "Tom
Shannon" <saltfevr at q.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:51pm
To:
land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] email test

HI all:

Haven't
received ANY email for 2 wks. from anywhere, might have been hacked?
Could
someone please reply to this test? Thanks

Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Mar 24 16:53:09 2011
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:53:09 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] email test
In-Reply-To: <SNT126-W157FD8AF53C95197065FA8C9B60@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT126-W157FD8AF53C95197065FA8C9B60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0E883FC6578641C7987756EE8CEA539C@tiger>

You're coming through here loud & clear, Tom.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tom Shannon" <saltfevr at q.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:51 PM
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] email test

> HI all:
>
> Haven't received ANY email for 2 wks. from anywhere, might have been 
> hacked?
> Could someone please reply to this test? Thanks
>
> Tom Shannon
> Magna, Utah
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From saltfevr at q.com  Thu Mar 24 17:14:56 2011
From: saltfevr at q.com (saltfevr at q.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:14:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] email test
In-Reply-To: <SNT126-W157FD8AF53C95197065FA8C9B60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1796638297.961937.1301012096180.JavaMail.root@md03.quartz.synacor.com>

Thanks for all the quick replies!!! Didn't know my Internet Provider switched my inbox to Their system, and not MSN anymore! WHo knew?? Thanks guys!!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Shannon" <saltfevr at q.com>
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:51:57 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] email test

HI all:

Haven't received ANY email for 2 wks. from anywhere, might have been hacked?
Could someone please reply to this test? Thanks

Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah
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From ecpurinton at wildblue.net  Thu Mar 24 17:19:59 2011
From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:19:59 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] email test
In-Reply-To: <SNT126-W157FD8AF53C95197065FA8C9B60@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT126-W157FD8AF53C95197065FA8C9B60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimq1S40WFMni9u_J1gYHBJLr9scmOcud9H5YZe4@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,

      Received this test here OK.

                 Ed Purinton
                Ashfield MA

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Tom Shannon <saltfevr at q.com> wrote:

> HI all:
>
> Haven't received ANY email for 2 wks. from anywhere, might have been
> hacked?
> Could someone please reply to this test? Thanks
>
> Tom Shannon
> Magna, Utah
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From rjdenton479 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 27 20:08:51 2011
From: rjdenton479 at gmail.com (Robert J. Denton)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:08:51 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] RIP David E. Davis
Message-ID: <AANLkTinkiTwHk8BcMhb+ugZak6qx59G_TXKdPfCotPF+@mail.gmail.com>

David E. Davis, Jr., has died at age 80. The longtime *Car and Driver *editor.
*Automobile Magazine *founder and man with his fingerprints all over this
great business of ours passed away unexpectedly after complications from
bladder surgery at 5:15pm Eastern on Sunday. A hugely witty man with a
talent for honing a magazine's voice and recognizing and refining talent in
those around him, Davis stands among the founding fathers of modem
automotive journalism.

In recent years, Davis had returned to C/D as a columnist after helping to
get pioneering digital auto magazine. *Winding Road, *off the ground. He has
held sway over nearly every great print title in the American auto
journalism world at one point or another, including *Road & Track *and *Motor
Trend, *and earlier in his professional life, he cultivated a distinguished
career in the automotive ad business, where he was instrumental in the
creation of General Motors' seminal "Baseball, Hot Dogs, Apple Pie and
Chevrolet" campaign, among others.

http://www.autoblog.com/

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sun Mar 27 20:34:24 2011
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:34:24 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] RIP David E. Davis
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinkiTwHk8BcMhb+ugZak6qx59G_TXKdPfCotPF+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110327233424.NZ995.159003.imail@fed1rmwml4201>

David E. Davis--

I spent many plesant days at the Terlinqua Chilli Cook of and at Carroll Shelby ranch with David and was his go-fer photo assistant at the Original Texas World Speedway covering one of the Can-AM series races.. God Speed David RIP!!

From gary at hensleys.us  Wed Mar 30 13:15:14 2011
From: gary at hensleys.us (Gary C Hensley)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:15:14 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] David E. Davis
Message-ID: <002401cbef17$2eb018d0$8c104a70$@hensleys.us>

Small world Sparky.

I used to ride with the SONS OF DANGER (the motorcycle arm of Car and
Driver) and spent time with him too.

Seems we are losing our icons way too fast.

God Speed Mr.  Davis.

Gary C. Hensley
Fix What You Know is Wrong first
 
E/FMS World Record Holder 218.543mph

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From rjdenton479 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 31 18:37:37 2011
From: rjdenton479 at gmail.com (Robert J. Denton)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:37:37 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Track nose on a '32 roadster.
Message-ID: <AANLkTimDdBUzFftznJZ1BrXOz6Qj2sY8CrQ77Hg4=u04@mail.gmail.com>

I'm building a street rod and I'm looking for a picture of a 32 roadster
with a track nose instead instead of a 32 grill shell. Can anyone put me
onto to a photo or two of one?

I would really appreciate it.

Thanks,

Bob Denton

-- 
Life should NOT be a journey
to the grave with the intention
of arriving safely in an attractive
and well preserved body, but
rather to skid in sideways,
Tequila in one hand
chocolate in the other,
body thoroughly used up,
totally worn out and screaming
"Holy Shit, What a ride!"

From adin at frontier.net  Thu Mar 31 19:30:15 2011
From: adin at frontier.net (David)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:30:15 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Track nose on a '32 roadster.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimDdBUzFftznJZ1BrXOz6Qj2sY8CrQ77Hg4=u04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimDdBUzFftznJZ1BrXOz6Qj2sY8CrQ77Hg4=u04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54732BDD-404C-48FE-B0D4-C062701EA349@frontier.net>

Google the Jackie Howerton roadster. There are others, but not many.

Have fun!

On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:37 PM, "Robert J. Denton" <rjdenton479 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm building a street rod and I'm looking for a picture of a 32 roadster
> with a track nose instead instead of a 32 grill shell. Can anyone put me
> onto to a photo or two of one?
>
> I would really appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Denton
>
> --
> Life should NOT be a journey
> to the grave with the intention
> of arriving safely in an attractive
> and well preserved body, but
> rather to skid in sideways,
> Tequila in one hand
> chocolate in the other,
> body thoroughly used up,
> totally worn out and screaming
> "Holy Shit, What a ride!"
> _______________________________________________
> Land-speed at autox.team.net
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From ifixmgs at cox.net  Thu Mar 31 20:45:35 2011
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:45:35 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Track nose on a '32 roadster.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimDdBUzFftznJZ1BrXOz6Qj2sY8CrQ77Hg4=u04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110331234535.8U6Z0.264703.imail@eastrmwml34>

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1526&bih=930&q=track+roadster&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=
-

--- "Robert J. Denton" <rjdenton479 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> I'm building a street rod and I'm looking for a picture of a 32 roadster
> with a track nose instead instead of a 32 grill shell. Can anyone put me
> onto to a photo or two of one?
> 
> I would really appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bob Denton
> 
> -- 
> Life should NOT be a journey
> to the grave with the intention
> of arriving safely in an attractive
> and well preserved body, but
> rather to skid in sideways,
> Tequila in one hand
> chocolate in the other,
> body thoroughly used up,
> totally worn out and screaming
> "Holy Shit, What a ride!"
> _______________________________________________
> Land-speed at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From yesford at clear.net.nz  Thu Mar 31 20:50:07 2011
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris R Harris)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 16:50:07 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] Track nose on a '32 roadster.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimDdBUzFftznJZ1BrXOz6Qj2sY8CrQ77Hg4=u04@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimDdBUzFftznJZ1BrXOz6Qj2sY8CrQ77Hg4=u04@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F45AF95404EB4AACA6DA86EC182E0B3F@HarrisPC>

Hi Bob,
Rod builder Steve Mole built Mr 'Goodguys' Gary Meadors a 29 roadster with a 
track nose, nice car, Google that as well. Easier to put a track nose on the 
smaller 28-29 Ford than a Deuce.
Chris Harris............NZed.


> I'm building a street rod and I'm looking for a picture of a 32 roadster
> with a track nose instead instead of a 32 grill shell. Can anyone put me
> onto to a photo or two of one?
>
> I would really appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Denton

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Thu Mar 31 21:32:53 2011
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris R Harris)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 17:32:53 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] Track nose on a '32 roadster.
In-Reply-To: <20110331234535.8U6Z0.264703.imail@eastrmwml34>
References: <20110331234535.8U6Z0.264703.imail@eastrmwml34>
Message-ID: <1C98B29ACA61498A9E0269C97402E1FC@HarrisPC>

WOW !
Now that's an awesome line-up.
Thanks from me too.
Chris Harris...............NZed.

 http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1526&bih=930&q=track+roadster&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 31 21:35:14 2011
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 21:35:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Track nose on a '32 roadster.
In-Reply-To: <20110331234535.8U6Z0.264703.imail@eastrmwml34>
Message-ID: <671473.8765.qm@web113815.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 
'32 Ford?
 
DW


--- On Thu, 3/31/11, ifixmgs at cox.net <ifixmgs at cox.net> wrote:


From: ifixmgs at cox.net <ifixmgs at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Track nose on a '32 roadster.
To: "Robert J. Denton" <rjdenton479 at gmail.com>, "Land Speed List"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 8:45 PM


http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1526&bih=930&q=track+roadste
r&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=
-

--- "Robert J. Denton" <rjdenton479 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm building a street rod and I'm looking for a picture of a 32 roadster
> with a track nose instead instead of a 32 grill shell. Can anyone put me
> onto to a photo or two of one?
>
> I would really appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Denton
>
> --
> Life should NOT be a journey
> to the grave with the intention
> of arriving safely in an attractive
> and well preserved body, but
> rather to skid in sideways,
> Tequila in one hand
> chocolate in the other,
> body thoroughly used up,
> totally worn out and screaming
> "Holy Shit, What a ride!"
> _______________________________________________
> Land-speed at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe/Manage:
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From dahlgren536 at comcast.net  Thu Mar 31 22:31:39 2011
From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 01:31:39 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Track nose on a '32 roadster.
In-Reply-To: <1C98B29ACA61498A9E0269C97402E1FC@HarrisPC>
References: <20110331234535.8U6Z0.264703.imail@eastrmwml34>
	<1C98B29ACA61498A9E0269C97402E1FC@HarrisPC>
Message-ID: <FFD1DD5AEDC4445DB2E699C86C5EE2F6@DaveSatellite>

Very cool rides..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris R Harris" <yesford at clear.net.nz>
To: <ifixmgs at cox.net>; "Robert J. Denton" <rjdenton479 at gmail.com>; 
"LandSpeed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Track nose on a '32 roadster.


> WOW !
> Now that's an awesome line-up.
> Thanks from me too.
> Chris Harris...............NZed.
>
> http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1526&bih=930&q=track+roadster&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=