From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Dec 1 05:29:05 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 04:29:05 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter Message-ID: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com> I know there are TC eliminators for the GM Powerglide and probably also fo the later automatics as well. But, I would like to hear from anyone who is running a Ford AOD without a TC. I suspect the bits and pieces are out there but I need a starting point for searching. Why, you ask? I have always been a bit nervous abou that big old whirling mass of TC up ther along side the pieces of my body that keep me walking erect, i.e., my feet. I can get an Ultra bell that would cure my fears but at a cost of 300 plus bucks and added work on the trans case for fitment. So, let me hear from anyone who knows of such bits and pieces and has maybe actually run one. No, it won't do any good to tell me to change trans, etc. I just hit delete on those, lol. I have what I have. mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed From calkins at camspray.com Thu Dec 1 07:34:08 2011 From: calkins at camspray.com (Justin Calkins) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:34:08 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Larry, I have thought of doing the same type of thing for a drag car. My questions usually came back to the performance. What is the performance advantage and/or disadvantage of deleting the converter? Some converters make power, so I have been told, i.e. - torque multiplication. I totally understand the safety side of it. Justin Calkins Cam Spray - Service Department 520 Brooks Road Iowa Falls, Iowa 50126 800-648-5011 Ext 1232 calkins at camspray.com http://www.camspray.com -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:29 AM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter I know there are TC eliminators for the GM Powerglide and probably also fo the later automatics as well. But, I would like to hear from anyone who is running a Ford AOD without a TC. I suspect the bits and pieces are out there but I need a starting point for searching. Why, you ask? I have always been a bit nervous abou that big old whirling mass of TC up ther along side the pieces of my body that keep me walking erect, i.e., my feet. I can get an Ultra bell that would cure my fears but at a cost of 300 plus bucks and added work on the trans case for fitment. So, let me hear from anyone who knows of such bits and pieces and has maybe actually run one. No, it won't do any good to tell me to change trans, etc. I just hit delete on those, lol. I have what I have. mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/calkins at camspray.com From gmc6power at earthlink.net Thu Dec 1 07:51:54 2011 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 06:51:54 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter Message-ID: <4328065.1322751114869.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Check with the dirt track guys in your area. Many run them with using a hydraulic clutch pedal. We see them all the time since you need to have a reverse and move in the pits....Good Luck > >I know there are TC eliminators for the GM Powerglide and probably also >fo the later automatics as well. But, I would like to hear from anyone >who is running a Ford AOD without a TC. I suspect the bits and pieces >are out there but I need a starting point for searching. Why, you ask? >I have always been a bit nervous abou that big old whirling mass of TC >up ther along side the pieces of my body that keep me walking erect, >i.e., my feet. I can get an Ultra bell that would cure my fears but at >a cost of 300 plus bucks and added work on the trans case for fitment. > >So, let me hear from anyone who knows of such bits and pieces and has >maybe actually run one. > >No, it won't do any good to tell me to change trans, etc. I just hit >delete on those, lol. I have what I have. > >mayf > >-- >______________________________ >drmayf >Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. >204.913 mph flying mile >210.779 mph exit speed >_______________________________________________ >Land-speed at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/gmc6power at earthlink.net From saltrat at pahrump.com Thu Dec 1 08:18:52 2011 From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 07:18:52 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <8EF77E7D5884400EA28E947997E0BFBA@yourat5qgaac3z> Mayf, As I recall, I got my GM couplers from TCI. I don't know if they have them for AOD. Can't tell from their website. Not many Fords in sprint cars. Could maybe make one...........or a deflector shield? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 04:29 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter >I know there are TC eliminators for the GM Powerglide and probably also > fo the later automatics as well. But, I would like to hear from anyone > who is running a Ford AOD without a TC. I suspect the bits and pieces > are out there but I need a starting point for searching. Why, you ask? > I have always been a bit nervous abou that big old whirling mass of TC > up ther along side the pieces of my body that keep me walking erect, > i.e., my feet. I can get an Ultra bell that would cure my fears but at > a cost of 300 plus bucks and added work on the trans case for fitment. > > So, let me hear from anyone who knows of such bits and pieces and has > maybe actually run one. > > No, it won't do any good to tell me to change trans, etc. I just hit > delete on those, lol. I have what I have. > > mayf > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/saltrat at pahrump.com From dahlgren536 at comcast.net Thu Dec 1 08:25:06 2011 From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:25:06 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com> References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite> By the time you buy the parts make all the mods to put a clutch in front of the automatic then buy a clutch flywheel master cylinder clutch cylinder throwout bearing clutch pedal assembly and appropriate scatter sheild you will be money behind and have more parts to hurt you than you had. For low cost buy a race converter that is made for what you want to do. It also depends on the gear ratios in your transmission and what the torgue multiplication was doing to help you as well. Years ago I played with a 'clutch flight' and it was a tinkerer's nightmare and the car was not faster in any way it just broke more often. Dave 527 mph @38000 ft row 14 seat A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:29 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter >I know there are TC eliminators for the GM Powerglide and probably also > fo the later automatics as well. But, I would like to hear from anyone > who is running a Ford AOD without a TC. I suspect the bits and pieces > are out there but I need a starting point for searching. Why, you ask? > I have always been a bit nervous abou that big old whirling mass of TC > up ther along side the pieces of my body that keep me walking erect, > i.e., my feet. I can get an Ultra bell that would cure my fears but at > a cost of 300 plus bucks and added work on the trans case for fitment. > > So, let me hear from anyone who knows of such bits and pieces and has > maybe actually run one. > > No, it won't do any good to tell me to change trans, etc. I just hit > delete on those, lol. I have what I have. > > mayf From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Dec 1 09:38:02 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 08:38:02 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: <236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite> References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com> <236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite> Message-ID: <4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com> Hmm, not sure where in my request for parts info and or experience running a trans without a TC, I mentioned the need for a flywheel, clutch, clutch pedal or anything else like that. Looking for a direct coupling that connects teh crankshaft directly to the input shafts on teh rans and also provides for the trans front fluid pump. Made for 'glides and I know of a number of folk who use them. Bell housing is empty except for maybe a flex plate for starter operation. Noting else in there. Does require a push start off the line but for B'ville that's ok with me. So, I do not understand the comment regards all the other stuff. mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 12/1/2011 7:25 AM, Dave Dahlgren wrote: > By the time you buy the parts make all the mods to put a clutch in > front of the automatic then buy a clutch flywheel master cylinder > clutch cylinder throwout bearing clutch pedal assembly and appropriate > scatter sheild you will be money behind and have more parts to hurt > you than you had. For low cost buy a race converter that is made for > what you want to do. It also depends on the gear ratios in your > transmission and what the torgue multiplication was doing to help you > as well. Years ago I played with a 'clutch flight' and it was a > tinkerer's nightmare and the car was not faster in any way it just > broke more often. > Dave > 527 mph @38000 ft row 14 seat A > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:29 AM > Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque > Converter > > >> I know there are TC eliminators for the GM Powerglide and probably also >> fo the later automatics as well. But, I would like to hear from anyone >> who is running a Ford AOD without a TC. I suspect the bits and pieces >> are out there but I need a starting point for searching. Why, you ask? >> I have always been a bit nervous abou that big old whirling mass of TC >> up ther along side the pieces of my body that keep me walking erect, >> i.e., my feet. I can get an Ultra bell that would cure my fears but at >> a cost of 300 plus bucks and added work on the trans case for fitment. >> >> So, let me hear from anyone who knows of such bits and pieces and has >> maybe actually run one. >> >> No, it won't do any good to tell me to change trans, etc. I just hit >> delete on those, lol. I have what I have. >> >> mayf From dahlgren536 at comcast.net Thu Dec 1 10:29:07 2011 From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 12:29:07 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: <4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com> References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com> <236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite> <4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com> Message-ID: I think there was mention of a working reverse gear from James Tone how can you do that for push start only? Or I did not understand if it was required or optional. Might check the rule book or with inspectors on that one. I had thought and possibly wrong that other than special construction and motorcycle you had to have a reverse gear. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Mayfield To: Dave Dahlgren Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter Hmm, not sure where in my request for parts info and or experience running a trans without a TC, I mentioned the need for a flywheel, clutch, clutch pedal or anything else like that. Looking for a direct coupling that connects teh crankshaft directly to the input shafts on teh rans and also provides for the trans front fluid pump. Made for 'glides and I know of a number of folk who use them. Bell housing is empty except for maybe a flex plate for starter operation. Noting else in there. Does require a push start off the line but for B'ville that's ok with me. So, I do not understand the comment regards all the other stuff. mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 12/1/2011 7:25 AM, Dave Dahlgren wrote: By the time you buy the parts make all the mods to put a clutch in front of the automatic then buy a clutch flywheel master cylinder clutch cylinder throwout bearing clutch pedal assembly and appropriate scatter sheild you will be money behind and have more parts to hurt you than you had. For low cost buy a race converter that is made for what you want to do. It also depends on the gear ratios in your transmission and what the torgue multiplication was doing to help you as well. Years ago I played with a 'clutch flight' and it was a tinkerer's nightmare and the car was not faster in any way it just broke more often. Dave 527 mph @38000 ft row 14 seat A From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Dec 1 12:24:31 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 11:24:31 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com> <236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite> <4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com> I believe James was talking about sprint dirt cars and their having to move around in the pits. I have looked though the rule book and see no reference to a working reverse gear. However, I am bating zero today and so this could be simple one more mistake on my part. How about it, LSR fans... any requirement to have a working reverse gear in all or any vehicles except special construction or motorcycles? mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 12/1/2011 9:29 AM, Dave Dahlgren wrote: > I think there was mention of a working reverse gear from James Tone > how can you do that for push start only? Or I did not understand if it > was required or optional. Might check the rule book or with inspectors > on that one. I had thought and possibly wrong that other than special > construction and motorcycle you had to have a reverse gear. > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Mayfield > To: Dave Dahlgren > Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque > Converter > > > Hmm, not sure where in my request for parts info and or experience > running a trans without a TC, I mentioned the need for a flywheel, > clutch, clutch pedal or anything else like that. Looking for a direct > coupling that connects teh crankshaft directly to the input shafts on > teh rans and also provides for the trans front fluid pump. Made for > 'glides and I know of a number of folk who use them. Bell housing is > empty except for maybe a flex plate for starter operation. Noting > else in there. Does require a push start off the line but for B'ville > that's ok with me. > > So, I do not understand the comment regards all the other stuff. > > mayf > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > > On 12/1/2011 7:25 AM, Dave Dahlgren wrote: > By the time you buy the parts make all the mods to put a clutch in > front of the automatic then buy a clutch flywheel master cylinder > clutch cylinder throwout bearing clutch pedal assembly and appropriate > scatter sheild you will be money behind and have more parts to hurt > you than you had. For low cost buy a race converter that is made for > what you want to do. It also depends on the gear ratios in your > transmission and what the torgue multiplication was doing to help you > as well. Years ago I played with a 'clutch flight' and it was a > tinkerer's nightmare and the car was not faster in any way it just > broke more often. > Dave > 527 mph @38000 ft row 14 seat A From gmc6power at earthlink.net Thu Dec 1 22:54:55 2011 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 21:54:55 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com><236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite><4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com> <4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf> My reference to reverse was just to show you had to move the car easily and slow in both directions. The torque coverter is gone and the trans is connected by a coupler. The clutch pedel hydraulicly control something in the trans to allow it to move from a dead stop. Once the car is moving the hydraulic pedal is no longer used and the automatic is used normally. The engine response is instantanious like a sprinter with only a coupler. Only a starter ring gear is on the back of the crank. If I thought I could get away with just hi gear I would use a Falcon or Brinn......Good Luck >I believe James was talking about sprint dirt cars and their having to > move around in the pits. I have looked though the rule book and see no > reference to a working reverse gear. However, I am bating zero today and > so this could be simple one more mistake on my part. From ronggibson at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 06:23:07 2011 From: ronggibson at gmail.com (Ron Gibson) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:23:07 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: <26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf> References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com> <236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite> <4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com> <4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com> <26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf> Message-ID: Rules say race vehicle can not be moved under power except on track. Therefore reverse not needed. Some pull reverse idler for parasitic losses. RON On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:54 PM, J.D. Tone wrote: > My reference to reverse was just to show you had to move the car easily > and slow in both directions. The torque coverter is gone and the trans is > connected by a coupler. The clutch pedel hydraulicly control something in > the trans to allow it to move from a dead stop. Once the car is moving the > hydraulic pedal is no longer used and the automatic is used normally. The > engine response is instantanious like a sprinter with only a coupler. Only > a starter ring gear is on the back of the crank. If I thought I could get > away with just hi gear I would use a Falcon or Brinn......Good Luck > > > > I believe James was talking about sprint dirt cars and their having to >> move around in the pits. I have looked though the rule book and see no >> reference to a working reverse gear. However, I am bating zero today and >> so this could be simple one more mistake on my part. >> > ______________________________**_________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/land-speed/ronggibson@**gmail.com From saltrat at pahrump.com Fri Dec 2 08:58:49 2011 From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:58:49 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com><236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite><4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com><4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com> <26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf> Message-ID: <91B7505703D343DEB5C0A34707D3A588@yourat5qgaac3z> Paragraph 3.h.1 requires a positive reverse lockout but I can't find any other reference to reverse or a requirement for reverse or moving the car backwards in the rule book. Somebody please point me in the right direction (not backwards(-: Who makes a Ford coupler?????? Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.D. Tone" To: ; "Dave Dahlgren" Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 21:54 Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter > My reference to reverse was just to show you had to move the car easily > and slow in both directions. The torque coverter is gone and the trans is > connected by a coupler. The clutch pedel hydraulicly control something in > the trans to allow it to move from a dead stop. Once the car is moving the > hydraulic pedal is no longer used and the automatic is used normally. The > engine response is instantanious like a sprinter with only a coupler. Only > a starter ring gear is on the back of the crank. If I thought I could get > away with just hi gear I would use a Falcon or Brinn......Good Luck > > >>I believe James was talking about sprint dirt cars and their having to >> move around in the pits. I have looked though the rule book and see no >> reference to a working reverse gear. However, I am bating zero today and >> so this could be simple one more mistake on my part. > _______________________________________________ From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Dec 2 09:45:33 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:45:33 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com> <236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite> <4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com> <4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com> <26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf> Message-ID: <4ED900AD.3010409@mayfco.com> Ron, that was my understanding also, but the notion surfaced, in one of my dumb question emails, so I felt it prudent to ask. While I do not have the reverse gears removed from my automatic, I do have that sucker blocked off to prevent inadvertent engagement as I head down range. Thanks for the reply! mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 12/2/2011 5:23 AM, Ron Gibson wrote: > Rules say race vehicle can not be moved under power except on track. > Therefore reverse not needed. Some pull reverse idler for parasitic > losses. > > RON > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:54 PM, J.D. Tone > wrote: > > My reference to reverse was just to show you had to move the car > easily and slow in both directions. The torque coverter is gone > and the trans is connected by a coupler. The clutch pedel > hydraulicly control something in the trans to allow it to move > from a dead stop. Once the car is moving the hydraulic pedal is no > longer used and the automatic is used normally. The engine > response is instantanious like a sprinter with only a coupler. > Only a starter ring gear is on the back of the crank. If I thought > I could get away with just hi gear I would use a Falcon or > Brinn......Good Luck > > > > I believe James was talking about sprint dirt cars and their > having to > move around in the pits. I have looked though the rule book > and see no > reference to a working reverse gear. However, I am bating zero > today and > so this could be simple one more mistake on my part. > > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/ronggibson at gmail.com From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Fri Dec 2 21:55:33 2011 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 23:55:33 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com><236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite><4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com><4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com><26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf> <4ED900AD.3010409@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <13C7F3E6E6ED462C8D590E1C2C2C6C93@Rick> Don't need no stinkin reverse. Cant go 200 in reverse cause then you have rear steer.... From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Dec 2 22:59:46 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:59:46 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: <13C7F3E6E6ED462C8D590E1C2C2C6C93@Rick> References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com><236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite><4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com><4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com><26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf> <4ED900AD.3010409@mayfco.com> <13C7F3E6E6ED462C8D590E1C2C2C6C93@Rick> Message-ID: <4ED9BAD2.40405@mayfco.com> Ok, I knew there was a perfectly good reason! mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 12/2/2011 8:55 PM, Rick Byrnes wrote: > Don't need no stinkin reverse. Cant go 200 in reverse cause then you > have rear steer.... From saltrat at pahrump.com Sun Dec 4 15:43:16 2011 From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:43:16 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com><236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite><4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com><4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com> <26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf> <91B7505703D343DEB5C0A34707D3A588@yourat5qgaac3z> <1322944329.25525.YahooMailNeo@web113803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79D386B92C864D69B291E4C534CB6D24@yourat5qgaac3z> Thank you Dan. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: dan warner To: Skip Higginbotham ; J.D. Tone ; drmayf at mayfco.com ; Dave Dahlgren Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:32 Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter Seems pretty simple. If you have a transmission still retaining reverse gear you need a lockout. If the reverse is removed the lockout is not needed. There is no requirement in any class for a "full" transmission. All class rules state "any" transmission. DW White Goose Bar - Where LSR is a life style From: Skip Higginbotham To: J.D. Tone ; drmayf at mayfco.com; Dave Dahlgren Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter Paragraph 3.h.1 requires a positive reverse lockout but I can't find any other reference to reverse or a requirement for reverse or moving the car backwards in the rule book. Somebody please point me in the right direction (not backwards(-: Who makes a Ford coupler?????? Skip From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Dec 4 18:27:02 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 17:27:02 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: <1322973384.91416.YahooMailNeo@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com><236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite><4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com><4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com> <26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf> <91B7505703D343DEB5C0A34707D3A588@yourat5qgaac3z> <1322944329.25525.YahooMailNeo@web113803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDAA125.4000404@mayfco.com> <1322955941.68281.YahooMailNeo@web113817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDABA9B.7080708@mayfco.com> <1322962179.49972.YahooMailNeo@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDAD38B.5090002@mayfco.com> <1322973384.91416.YahooMailNeo@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4EDC1DE6.9000303@mayfco.com> The other day, I ask about a direct drive coupler for a Ford AOD transmission. This doohickey simulates the torque converter an does it very simply. I bet a lot of you went "what the heck is that old fool rambling on about now?" as you read the request. Here is a link to a speedway motors product that shows what I am still searching for. It is for a Power Glide. Below the coupler is a picture of the crank drive flange also. These two pieces are what I am seeking and which fit a ford small block and AOD. This one has only one internal spline while the AOD would have 2. The end drives the trans fluid pump, the stator splines would not be used, but the turbine splines and the direct drive splines would. http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Powerglide-Drive-Flange-Parts,5440.html keep your eye open for me? For one that is used on a Ford AOD instead of a Power Glide mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed From dahlgren536 at comcast.net Mon Dec 5 00:48:18 2011 From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 02:48:18 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: <4EDC1DE6.9000303@mayfco.com> References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com><236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite><4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com><4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com><26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf><91B7505703D343DEB5C0A34707D3A588@yourat5qgaac3z><1322944329.25525.YahooMailNeo@web113803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4EDAA125.4000404@mayfco.com><1322955941.68281.YahooMailNeo@web113817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4EDABA9B.7080708@mayfco.com><1322962179.49972.YahooMailNeo@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4EDAD38B.5090002@mayfco.com><1322973384.91416.YahooMailNeo@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDC1DE6.9000303@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <7DB9846BAA2344A5BF68627ADC65E1FD@DaveSatellite> I do not know much about automatic transmissions as real race cars do not use them but do know enough to realize if not a popular choice un racing you will find little in aftermarket parts that are discount priced. I am thinking a powerglide a TH400 or torque flight and an AOD is a non player. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter > The other day, I ask about a direct drive coupler for a Ford AOD > transmission. This doohickey simulates the torque converter an does it > very simply. I bet a lot of you went "what the heck is that old fool > rambling on about now?" as you read the request. Here is a link to a > speedway motors product that shows what I am still searching for. It is > for a Power Glide. Below the coupler is a picture of the crank drive > flange also. These two pieces are what I am seeking and which fit a ford > small block and AOD. This one has only one internal spline while the > AOD would have 2. The end drives the trans fluid pump, the stator > splines would not be used, but the turbine splines and the direct drive > splines would. > > http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Powerglide-Drive-Flange-Parts,5440.html > > keep your eye open for me? For one that is used on a Ford AOD instead of > a Power Glide > > mayf From terryhaines at comcast.net Mon Dec 5 01:41:11 2011 From: terryhaines at comcast.net (Terryv Haines) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 08:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: <4EDC1DE6.9000303@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <800940136.635064.1323074471639.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I have Ran a turbo 350 with a hole shot tourqconverter ..two world records ..saline soution.. so wtf direct drive ???????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: land-speed at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:27:02 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter The other day, I ask about a direct drive coupler for a Ford AOD transmission. This doohickey simulates the torque converter an does it very simply. I bet a lot of you went "what the heck is that old fool rambling on about now?" as you read the request. Here is a link to a speedway motors product that shows what I am still searching for. It is for a Power Glide. Below the coupler is a picture of the crank drive flange also. These two pieces are what I am seeking and which fit a ford small block and AOD. This one has only one internal spline while the AOD would have 2. The end drives the trans fluid pump, the stator splines would not be used, but the turbine splines and the direct drive splines would. http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Powerglide-Drive-Flange-Parts,5440.html keep your eye open for me? For one that is used on a Ford AOD instead of a Power Glide mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/terryhaines at comcast.net From mikebrakel at verizon.net Mon Dec 5 05:55:08 2011 From: mikebrakel at verizon.net (mikebrakel at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:55:08 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: <4EDC1DE6.9000303@mayfco.com> References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com> <236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite> <4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com> <4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com> <26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf> <91B7505703D343DEB5C0A34707D3A588@yourat5qgaac3z> <1322944329.25525.YahooMailNeo@web113803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDAA125.4000404@mayfco.com> <1322955941.68281.YahooMailNeo@web113817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDABA9B.7080708@mayfco.com> <1322962179.49972.YahooMailNeo@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDAD38B.5090002@mayfco.com> <1322973384.91416.YahooMailNeo@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDC1DE6.9000303@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <455253752-1323089708-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1692060492-@b13.c17.bise6.blackberry> Seems to me any decent machinist could make what you need if you gave provide the dimensions. Mike Brakel 80 Theory Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Larry Mayfield Sender: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 17:27:02 To: land-speed at autox.team.net Reply-to: drmayf at mayfco.com Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter The other day, I ask about a direct drive coupler for a Ford AOD transmission. This doohickey simulates the torque converter an does it very simply. I bet a lot of you went "what the heck is that old fool rambling on about now?" as you read the request. Here is a link to a speedway motors product that shows what I am still searching for. It is for a Power Glide. Below the coupler is a picture of the crank drive flange also. These two pieces are what I am seeking and which fit a ford small block and AOD. This one has only one internal spline while the AOD would have 2. The end drives the trans fluid pump, the stator splines would not be used, but the turbine splines and the direct drive splines would. http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Powerglide-Drive-Flange-Parts,5440.html keep your eye open for me? For one that is used on a Ford AOD instead of a Power Glide mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/mikebrakel at verizon.net From jdincau at qnet.com Mon Dec 5 08:21:02 2011 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:21:02 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: <4EDC1DE6.9000303@mayfco.com> References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com><236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite><4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com><4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com><26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf><91B7505703D343DEB5C0A34707D3A588@yourat5qgaac3z><1322944329.25525.YahooMailNeo@web113803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4EDAA125.4000404@mayfco.com><1322955941.68281.YahooMailNeo@web113817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4EDABA9B.7080708@mayfco.com><1322962179.49972.YahooMailNeo@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><4EDAD38B.5090002@mayfco.com><1322973384.91416.YahooMailNeo@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDC1DE6.9000303@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <84FBE10C5A8D493E8736A27BCAAF046D@denpc> Mayf, The parts you describe are usually used on short track cars, stocks, modifieds, super modifieds etc. They generally use them with the hydraulic valve setup as described by J D Tone. This valve allows gradual application of pressure to the clutch pack so the car can be moved away with out a push truck. This is common in circle track racing associations that require a self start capability. I have never seen one advertised for anything other than a powerglide. Jim in Palmdale From yesford at clear.net.nz Mon Dec 5 15:13:51 2011 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris R Harris) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 11:13:51 +1300 Subject: [Land-speed] Running an Automatic Trans without a Torque Converter In-Reply-To: <84FBE10C5A8D493E8736A27BCAAF046D@denpc> References: <4ED77311.5090900@mayfco.com> <236CDEC1B9FE4F9A81FD8A644A644074@DaveSatellite> <4ED7AD6A.4040704@mayfco.com> <4ED7D46F.5060502@mayfco.com> <26D79A96B7AB4CC0BD2CB8576B6CE2FF@mydf7618c59bbf> <91B7505703D343DEB5C0A34707D3A588@yourat5qgaac3z> <1322944329.25525.YahooMailNeo@web113803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDAA125.4000404@mayfco.com> <1322955941.68281.YahooMailNeo@web113817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDABA9B.7080708@mayfco.com> <1322962179.49972.YahooMailNeo@web113804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDAD38B.5090002@mayfco.com> <1322973384.91416.YahooMailNeo@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4EDC1DE6.9000303@mayfco.com> <84FBE10C5A8D493E8736A27BCAAF046D@denpc> Message-ID: A friend who has a LSR early Falcon set up a C4 with front pump driven by shaft from pump with flat disc attached that bolted to flywheel. Had trans fluid dump valve attached to what was clutch pedal. Worked perfectly. Chris Harris.........NZed. > Mayf, > The parts you describe are usually used on short track cars, stocks, > modifieds, super modifieds etc. They generally use them with the hydraulic > valve setup as described by J D Tone. This valve allows gradual > application of pressure to the clutch pack so the car can be moved away > with out a push truck. This is common in circle track racing associations > that require a self start capability. I have never seen one advertised for > anything other than a powerglide. > Jim in Palmdale _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/yesford at clear.net.nz From jgmagoo at comcast.net Tue Dec 6 10:27:41 2011 From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <811135562.723628.1323192461472.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Forwarded from a friend who is an engineer at GM and also a street rodder. Subject: FW: Fuel Line Sprinkler B Ya might want to pass this around to help warn the guys out there about using rubber hoses for fuel inj lines (ESPECIALLY that Braided Stainless Chinese sh*t that's out there). B The "new Gas" eats it upB really fast. Jeff's A-body was rebuilt over the last 6-7 months & he was excited to drive the old girl with the new engine. B As you'll see, the year old, rubber SS fuel lines made life very exciting, VERY QUICKLY out on the "left coast", as he pulled the car out of the garage last week. www.techafx.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkuopDCny4s b Kinda make your jaw drop... doesn't it? B B From neill at dbelltech.com Tue Dec 6 10:45:55 2011 From: neill at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:45:55 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler In-Reply-To: <811135562.723628.1323192461472.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <811135562.723628.1323192461472.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Does this comment about leaking "AN hose" include the Aeroquip 601 braided rubber hose or just the cheap Chinese knock-offs? Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:27 AM To: "land-speed-digest" Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > Forwarded from a friend who is an engineer at GM and also a street rodder. > > Subject: FW: Fuel Line Sprinkler > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > Ya might want to pass this around to help warn the guys out there about > using > rubber hoses for fuel inj lines (ESPECIALLY that Braided Stainless Chinese > sh*t that's out there). B The "new Gas" eats it upB really fast. > > > > > Jeff's A-body was rebuilt over the last 6-7 months & he was excited to > drive > the old girl with the new engine. B As you'll see, the year old, rubber SS > fuel lines made life very exciting, VERY QUICKLY out on the "left coast", > as > he pulled the car out of the garage last week. > > > > > www.techafx.com > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkuopDCny4s > > > > > > > > b > > Kinda make your jaw drop... doesn't it? > > B > > > > > B > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/neil at dbelltech.com From dahlgren536 at comcast.net Tue Dec 6 11:14:42 2011 From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:14:42 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler In-Reply-To: <811135562.723628.1323192461472.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <811135562.723628.1323192461472.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: It is Chinese hose what exactly did they expect. All that stuff is built to sort of look like the real thing with zero quality control. I hope they saved enough to buy the real stuff later. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "land-speed-digest" Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:27 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > Forwarded from a friend who is an engineer at GM and also a street rodder. > > Subject: FW: Fuel Line Sprinkler From adin at frontier.net Tue Dec 6 11:31:46 2011 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:31:46 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler References: <811135562.723628.1323192461472.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2D99C12C9436477F99860DF335A9231B@ZTxp> Seems like the failures are due to "new" fuels as much as country of mfg. Though, the thought of a failed an-10 oil line brings shivers. I guess one can never be too careful when spec-ing pressure lines? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Dahlgren" To: "land-speed-digest" Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > It is Chinese hose what exactly did they expect. All that stuff is built > to > sort of look like the real thing with zero quality control. I hope they > saved enough to buy the real stuff later. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "land-speed-digest" > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:27 PM > Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > > >> Forwarded from a friend who is an engineer at GM and also a street >> rodder. >> >> Subject: FW: Fuel Line Sprinkler > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/adin at frontier.net > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 6688 (20111206) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6688 (20111206) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From dahlgren536 at comcast.net Tue Dec 6 11:48:27 2011 From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:48:27 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler In-Reply-To: <2D99C12C9436477F99860DF335A9231B@ZTxp> References: <811135562.723628.1323192461472.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2D99C12C9436477F99860DF335A9231B@ZTxp> Message-ID: <01BE018A6C63421395025C25DE4BDA11@DaveSatellite> Before I condemed any hose i would cut off the overbraid and see the holes or if it was not made up correctly and is leaking at a poor fitting assembly under the overbraid. This ac happen. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "David in Durango" To: "Dave Dahlgren" ; "land-speed-digest" Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > Seems like the failures are due to "new" fuels as much as country of mfg. > Though, the thought of a failed an-10 oil line brings shivers. > > I guess one can never be too careful when spec-ing pressure lines? From jgmagoo at comcast.net Tue Dec 6 12:08:58 2011 From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 19:08:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2085645967.730414.1323198538880.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Sorry, I don't know all the technical details .B I think it would be best to stay with American- made hose and check with the manufacturer to verify compatabillity withB whatever type of fuel you are using.B 'Better living through chemistry' - you know! I have used both Aeroquip and Earls (again, sorry, I don't know what model #) with gasoline and have not personally experienced any problems.B My GM friend is understandably, quite anti-foreign. JG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Albaugh" To: jgmagoo at comcast.net, "land-speed-digest" Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:45:55 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler Does this comment about leaking "AN hose" include the Aeroquip 601 braided rubber hose or just the cheap Chinese knock-offs? Regards, Neil B Tucson, AZ -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:27 AM To: "land-speed-digest" Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > Forwarded from a friend who is an engineer at GM and also a street rodder. > > Subject: FW: Fuel Line Sprinkler > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > Ya might want to pass this around to help warn the guys out there about > using > rubber hoses for fuel inj lines (ESPECIALLY that Braided Stainless Chinese > sh*t that's out there). B The "new Gas" eats it upB really fast. > > > > > Jeff's A-body was rebuilt over the last 6-7 months & he was excited to > drive > the old girl with the new engine. B As you'll see, the year old, rubber SS > fuel lines made life very exciting, VERY QUICKLY out on the "left coast", > as > he pulled the car out of the garage last week. > > > > > www.techafx.com > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkuopDCny4s > > > > > > > > b > > Kinda make your jaw drop... doesn't it? > > B > > > > > B > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/neil at dbelltech.com From neill at dbelltech.com Tue Dec 6 12:26:43 2011 From: neill at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:26:43 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler In-Reply-To: <2085645967.730414.1323198538880.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2085645967.730414.1323198538880.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks. An important point is that knock-off hose is not really "AN"; it may look like AN but the AN specs are ones published by the military. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ From: jgmagoo at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:08 PM To: Neil Albaugh Cc: land-speed-digest Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler Sorry, I don't know all the technical details. I think it would be best to stay with American-made hose and check with the manufacturer to verify compatabillity with whatever type of fuel you are using. 'Better living through chemistry' - you know! I have used both Aeroquip and Earls (again, sorry, I don't know what model #) with gasoline and have not personally experienced any problems. My GM friend is understandably, quite anti-foreign. JG ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: "Neil Albaugh" To: jgmagoo at comcast.net, "land-speed-digest" Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:45:55 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler Does this comment about leaking "AN hose" include the Aeroquip 601 braided rubber hose or just the cheap Chinese knock-offs? Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:27 AM To: "land-speed-digest" Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > Forwarded from a friend who is an engineer at GM and also a street rodder. > > Subject: FW: Fuel Line Sprinkler > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > Ya might want to pass this around to help warn the guys out there about > using > rubber hoses for fuel inj lines (ESPECIALLY that Braided Stainless Chinese > sh*t that's out there). B The "new Gas" eats it upB really fast. > > > > > Jeff's A-body was rebuilt over the last 6-7 months & he was excited to > drive > the old girl with the new engine. B As you'll see, the year old, rubber SS > fuel lines made life very exciting, VERY QUICKLY out on the "left coast", > as > he pulled the car out of the garage last week. > > > > > www.techafx.com > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkuopDCny4s > > > > > > > > b > > Kinda make your jaw drop... doesn't it? > > B > > > > > B From saltrat at pahrump.com Tue Dec 6 13:21:29 2011 From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:21:29 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler References: <2085645967.730414.1323198538880.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: AN = Army Navy for those that forgot. The only hoses on my car are made in this country. And one of them suffered internal collapse this year and prevented a successful year at the salt.....drat!!!! Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Albaugh" To: Cc: "land-speed-digest" Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:26 Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > Thanks. An important point is that knock-off hose is not really "AN"; it > may > look like AN but the AN specs are ones published by the military. > > Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ > > > From: jgmagoo at comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:08 PM > To: Neil Albaugh > Cc: land-speed-digest > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > > > Sorry, I don't know all the technical details. I think it would be best > to > stay with American-made hose and check with the manufacturer to verify > compatabillity with whatever type of fuel you are using. 'Better living > through chemistry' - you know! > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > From: "Neil Albaugh" > To: jgmagoo at comcast.net, "land-speed-digest" > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:45:55 AM > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > > Does this comment about leaking "AN hose" include the Aeroquip 601 braided > rubber hose or just the cheap Chinese knock-offs? > > Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:27 AM > To: "land-speed-digest" > Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > >> Forwarded from a friend who is an engineer at GM and also a street >> rodder. >> >> Subject: FW: Fuel Line Sprinkler >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ya might want to pass this around to help warn the guys out there about >> using >> rubber hoses for fuel inj lines (ESPECIALLY that Braided Stainless >> Chinese >> sh*t that's out there). B The "new Gas" eats it upB really fast. >> >> >> >> >> Jeff's A-body was rebuilt over the last 6-7 months & he was excited to >> drive >> the old girl with the new engine. B As you'll see, the year old, rubber >> SS >> fuel lines made life very exciting, VERY QUICKLY out on the "left coast", >> as >> he pulled the car out of the garage last week. >> >> >> >> >> www.techafx.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkuopDCny4s >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> b >> >> Kinda make your jaw drop... doesn't it? >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> B > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/saltrat at pahrump.com From dlodom at att.net Tue Dec 6 15:25:52 2011 From: dlodom at att.net (Doug Odom) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:25:52 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] AN Lines Message-ID: <009801ccb466$03f51900$6501a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA> Over the years I have had many AN lines leak from just being old stock. I bought a line made up by Earls that leaked like a soaker hose first time I hooked it up to the radiator. Any hose over ten years old should be replaced. Not ten years from the time you have had it but ten years from the time the hose was manufactured. Remember, if it comes out of a box and is brand new it is suspect. Doug Odom in big ditch From saltrat at pahrump.com Tue Dec 6 17:04:09 2011 From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 16:04:09 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler References: <2085645967.730414.1323198538880.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <91699E9CC7734A8ABC9230E5056DF342@tiger> <13CDB162A20047339969864F1AA9D3C3@tiger> Message-ID: <900ED371F6F64CBDBD5FE515DF06CBA5@yourat5qgaac3z> Already done Neil, thanks. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Albaugh" To: "Skip Higginbotham" ; Cc: "land-speed-digest" Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 15:31 Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > > Skip; > > A tight radius is a good place to go to hard line if you can. > > Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Skip Higginbotham" > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:44 PM > To: "Neil Albaugh" ; > Cc: "land-speed-digest" > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler > >> Neil, >> Likely it was too tight a radius. About a mile or so off the line the >> pressure slowly went to zero. Had good visual flow in the pits (blowing >> into the tank), Remaining parts of system are good. ????????????? >> >> Skip From turborick at turborick.com Tue Dec 6 18:02:56 2011 From: turborick at turborick.com (Rick Yacoucci) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:02:56 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler In-Reply-To: <811135562.723628.1323192461472.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <811135562.723628.1323192461472.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <027b01ccb47b$f4f25100$ded6f300$@com> That is why I don't use stainless braided line... you can't see the condition of the rubber under the beautiful stainless Thanks Rick Yacoucci -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jgmagoo at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:28 AM To: land-speed-digest Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler Forwarded from a friend who is an engineer at GM and also a street rodder. Subject: FW: Fuel Line Sprinkler B Ya might want to pass this around to help warn the guys out there about using rubber hoses for fuel inj lines (ESPECIALLY that Braided Stainless Chinese sh*t that's out there). B The "new Gas" eats it upB really fast. Jeff's A-body was rebuilt over the last 6-7 months & he was excited to drive the old girl with the new engine. B As you'll see, the year old, rubber SS fuel lines made life very exciting, VERY QUICKLY out on the "left coast", as he pulled the car out of the garage last week. www.techafx.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkuopDCny4s b Kinda make your jaw drop... doesn't it? B B _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/turborick at turborick.com From NT788 at comcast.net Tue Dec 6 18:20:42 2011 From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 01:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler In-Reply-To: <027b01ccb47b$f4f25100$ded6f300$@com> Message-ID: <649024620.714292.1323220842433.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> A guy from E arls once said "I hope you r not using that stuff on a race car" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Yacoucci" To: jgmagoo at comcast.net, "land-speed-digest" Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 5:02:56 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler That is why I don't use stainless braided line... you can't see the condition of the rubber under the beautiful stainless Thanks Rick Yacoucci -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jgmagoo at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:28 AM To: land-speed-digest Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Fuel Line Sprinkler Forwarded from a friend who is an engineer at GM and also a street rodder. Subject: FW: Fuel Line Sprinkler B Ya might want to pass this around to help warn the guys out there about using rubber hoses for fuel inj lines (ESPECIALLY that Braided Stainless Chinese sh*t that's out there). B The "new Gas" eats it upB really fast. Jeff's A-body was rebuilt over the last 6-7 months & he was excited to drive the old girl with the new engine. B As you'll see, the year old, rubber SS fuel lines made life very exciting, VERY QUICKLY out on the "left coast", as he pulled the car out of the garage last week. www.techafx.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkuopDCny4s b Kinda make your jaw drop... doesn't it? B B _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/turborick at turborick.com _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/nt788 at comcast.net From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Dec 10 15:35:39 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:35:39 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Fuel Lines... Message-ID: <4EE3DEBB.8050007@mayfco.com> The thread on leaky fuel line, braided SS lines at that has me pondering if I should replace mine. Not concerned about non fuel hoses except maybe oil, but, I am thinking about replacements. So, I know that aluminum fuel lines are available, but I don't think I want those. So, what SS lines, -6 size and maybe -6 for returns should I be looking for. Like what wall thickness, grade of material, etc. Any thoughts out there? Who sells it? What kind of tubing bender will I need o form bends? mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed From joyseydevil at comcast.net Sat Dec 10 17:20:56 2011 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:20:56 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Fuel Lines.... Message-ID: <31F6263BC85F40C59B7B1A56C0CE337E@john> Mayf One option is hydraulic hose and fittings which is mechanically tough . Another is SS braid over Teflon hose which is somewhat kink prone . Used the latter for its resistance to nitro on my dragster , John Burk > The thread on leaky fuel line, braided SS lines at that has me pondering > if I should replace mine. Not concerned about non fuel hoses except > maybe oil, but, I am thinking about replacements. So, I know that > aluminum fuel lines are available, but I don't think I want those. So, > what SS lines, -6 size and maybe -6 for returns should I be looking > for. Like what wall thickness, grade of material, etc. Any thoughts out > there? Who sells it? What kind of tubing bender will I need o form > bends? > > mayf > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/joyseydevil at comcast.net From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net Sat Dec 10 17:23:04 2011 From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 00:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Land-speed] Fuel Lines... In-Reply-To: <4EE3DEBB.8050007@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <235315347.480062.1323562984509.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Gees, Mayf, steel lines are beautiful things. Once they're made get 'em plated. Replate them down the line if necessary. Bob the Plater ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: land-speed at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 5:35:39 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Fuel Lines... The thread on leaky fuel line, braided SS lines at that has me pondering if I should replace mine. Not concerned about non fuel hoses except maybe oil, but, I am thinking about replacements. So, I know that aluminum fuel lines are available, but I don't think I want those. So, what SS lines, -6 size and maybe -6 for returns should I be looking for. Like what wall thickness, grade of material, etc. Any thoughts out there? Who sells it? What kind of tubing bender will I need o form bends? mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/bobbyhotrods at comcast.net From dahlgren536 at comcast.net Sun Dec 11 00:34:16 2011 From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 02:34:16 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Fuel Lines... In-Reply-To: <235315347.480062.1323562984509.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <235315347.480062.1323562984509.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: All things rubber or polymer based have a life expectantcy either in use or on the shelf. Most things discounted are at the end of it as the clock is ticking from the date of manufacture and not the day you purchased the item or put it into service. When companies run large discounts or dump things on auction sites or rebox them as an off brand there is a message ther if you are willing to read and understand it. The real shame is the lack of universal regs that require they all be embosed with month and year of manufacture so the buyer can be awake of the service life left. More than 1 person has bought tires that re 5 to 7 years old as brand new when in fact not worth putting on the wheels. Too many people spend way too much time dwelling on price rather than value and when price wins it has predictable results. As a side note when you plumb a car properly there is very little flex hose used so keeping it fresh is not expensive in the end. Dave From neill at dbelltech.com Sun Dec 11 09:14:59 2011 From: neill at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:14:59 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Fuel Lines... In-Reply-To: References: <235315347.480062.1323562984509.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <510A7D9DFAA84AAF828F98847E277572@tiger> Good advice, Dave. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Dahlgren" Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 12:34 AM To: Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fuel Lines... > All things rubber or polymer based have a life expectantcy either in use > or on the shelf. Most things discounted are at the end of it as the clock > is ticking from the date of manufacture and not the day you purchased the > item or put it into service. When companies run large discounts or dump > things on auction sites or rebox them as an off brand there is a message > ther if you are willing to read and understand it. The real shame is the > lack of universal regs that require they all be embosed with month and > year of manufacture so the buyer can be awake of the service life left. > More than 1 person has bought tires that re 5 to 7 years old as brand new > when in fact not worth putting on the wheels. Too many people spend way > too much time dwelling on price rather than value and when price wins it > has predictable results. > > As a side note when you plumb a car properly there is very little flex > hose used so keeping it fresh is not expensive in the end. > Dave From drmayf at mayfco.com Wed Dec 14 10:59:27 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:59:27 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Another Dumb Question from you know who... Message-ID: <4EE8E3FF.7030002@mayfco.com> I am in the process of fabricating an adapter plate to change from one block bell housing pattern to another. yeah, I could have bough tone but the price was $695 bucks so I am making it myself. The question, however, is about mid engine support plates. The metal plate I am using is wide enough touse as a mid motor plate, but what's the experience out there regards the efficacy of such a thing? If I use a mid mounting plate, should I use the trans mount? I use a large AOD for a trans so there would be a lot of weight cantilevered back there if I don't. And I don't use a front mount plate either although that could be done. So, comments on the use of a mid plate? mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed From dahlgren536 at comcast.net Wed Dec 14 11:37:00 2011 From: dahlgren536 at comcast.net (Dave Dahlgren) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:37:00 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Another Dumb Question from you know who... In-Reply-To: <4EE8E3FF.7030002@mayfco.com> References: <4EE8E3FF.7030002@mayfco.com> Message-ID: You are an engineer you know the approximate mass of the parts involved or should by now you know thickness and approximate materials involved so strength is easily calced you can easily do simple calcs for moment arms did you? The answer is there, but will offer one tip if you lock in one part solid it better be all of them and they better line up straight to .002...... It is an answer possibly not the one you wanted but the real one that a lot of people will blow past without the numbers with an off the cuff one. As usual it is all in the numbers as opposed to opinions. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Another Dumb Question from you know who... >I am in the process of fabricating an adapter plate to change from one > block bell housing pattern to another. yeah, I could have bough tone but > the price was $695 bucks so I am making it myself. The question, > however, is about mid engine support plates. The metal plate I am using > is wide enough touse as a mid motor plate, but what's the experience out > there regards the efficacy of such a thing? If I use a mid mounting > plate, should I use the trans mount? I use a large AOD for a trans so > there would be a lot of weight cantilevered back there if I don't. And > I don't use a front mount plate either although that could be done. > > So, comments on the use of a mid plate? > > mayf From NT788 at comcast.net Wed Dec 14 11:53:32 2011 From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Land-speed] Another Dumb Question from you know who... In-Reply-To: <4EE8E3FF.7030002@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <324810999.1052315.1323888812480.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mayf be lieve it or not, you know as much as the rest of us! Keep concentricity .020 max. A faux. torque tube and no suspention helps. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: land-speed at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:59:27 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Another Dumb Question from you know who... I am in the process of fabricating an adapter plate to change from one block bell housing pattern to another. yeah, I could have bough tone but the price was $695 bucks so I am making it myself. B The question, however, is about mid engine support plates. B The metal plate I am using is wide enough touse as a mid motor plate, but what's the experience out there regards the efficacy of such a thing? B If I use a mid mounting plate, should I use the trans mount? I use a large AOD for a trans so there would be a lot of weight cantilevered back there if I don't. B And I don't use a B front mount plate either although that could be done. So, comments on the use of a mid plate? mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/nt788 at comcast.net From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net Thu Dec 15 16:24:21 2011 From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 23:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Land-speed] Dry Lakes in the Day Message-ID: <278628066.679913.1323991461026.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> My motor guy's pal's Uncle filmed this I guess. Type in Youtube Prewar Dry Lakes Hot Rod Racing in 8 mm and you'll see some great old footage. Bobby in Boston From joyseydevil at comcast.net Thu Dec 15 18:48:37 2011 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:48:37 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] nb Message-ID: <99ED8A19ACCE41F79E680779352449A5@john> Youtube Prewar Dry Lakes Hot Rod Racing From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Dec 16 09:51:31 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:51:31 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Transmission Adapter Plate Message-ID: <4EEB7713.6000605@mayfco.com> reference dumb question I recently asked about adapter plates, lol. This is for my bragging Sunbeam rights motor. As you recall, I need to fab up an adapter to mate my competition AOD to my real Sunbeam Tiger motor. The trans is a 6 bolt bell housing variety while the block is a 5 bolt version. The 5 bolt pattern lies almost within the 6 bolt pattern. But, there are a couple of interference locations. I layed out the bolt paterns on the aluminum plate last night and found that if I rotate the 6 bolt pattern by less than 4 degrees everything clears adequately. The down side to that is if I install it that way and keep the engine level in the car, then the trans is rotated by less than 4 degrees off horizontal to the right. So, the fist question is: will the trans operate ok that way? Seems like it would, but, I need to ask. I will also ask the trans supplier as well, but, you folk are the smart folk with real live experience. remember I am a dummy or dip sh*t as some have put it, lol. I can also install the engine in the car and split the 4 degrees by rotating the engine mounts to the left by say, 2 degrees and that puts both the motor and trans off horizontal by only 2 degrees each. Comments? Suggestions? mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed From v4gmr at yahoo.com Fri Dec 16 12:17:39 2011 From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:17:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Land-speed] Transmission Adapter Plate In-Reply-To: <4EEB7713.6000605@mayfco.com> References: <4EEB7713.6000605@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <1324063059.95819.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You could split and weld the transmission pan to make up the 4 degrees. Or you could try driving on the side of a hill with the right side 4 degrees off and see if anything happens. Bet nothing happends. RF ________________________________ From: Larry Mayfield To: "land-speed at autox.team.net" Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 8:51 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Transmission Adapter Plate reference dumb question I recently asked about adapter plates, lol. This is for my bragging Sunbeam rights motor. As you recall, I need to fab up an adapter to mate my competition AOD to my real Sunbeam Tiger motor. The trans is a 6 bolt bell housing variety while the block is a 5 bolt version. The 5 bolt pattern lies almost within the 6 bolt pattern. But, there are a couple of interference locations. I layed out the bolt paterns on the aluminum plate last night and found that if I rotate the 6 bolt pattern by less than 4 degrees everything clears adequately. The down side to that is if I install it that way and keep the engine level in the car, then the trans is rotated by less than 4 degrees off horizontal to the right. So, the fist question is: will the trans operate ok that way? Seems like it would, but, I need to ask. I will also ask the trans supplier as well, but, you folk are the smart folk with real live experience. remember I am a dummy or dip sh*t as some have put it, lol. I can also install the engine in the car and split the 4 degrees by rotating the engine mounts to the left by say, 2 degrees and that puts both the motor and trans off horizontal by only 2 degrees each. Comments? Suggestions? mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/v4gmr at yahoo.com From saltfever at comcast.net Fri Dec 16 14:29:41 2011 From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:29:41 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Transmission Adapter Plate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003601ccbc39$d2ad1ce0$780756a0$@net> I have been off-road (side of a hill) at least 15-25 degrees with that trans in my 4 x4 with never a problem. Install whichever is easiest for you. ------------------------------ From: Larry Mayfield (snip . . .) I can also install the engine in the car and split the 4 degrees by rotating the engine mounts to the left by say, 2 degrees and that puts both the motor and trans off horizontal by only 2 degrees each. From b.a.savage at cal.net Fri Dec 16 15:00:05 2011 From: b.a.savage at cal.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:00:05 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Transmission Adapter Plate In-Reply-To: <003601ccbc39$d2ad1ce0$780756a0$@net> References: <003601ccbc39$d2ad1ce0$780756a0$@net> Message-ID: <4EEBBF65.6070902@cal.net> If 4 degrees could cause a problem, the roads here in the Sierras would be lined with cars with blown transmissions. 4 degrees must be within normal operating parameters. Bryan On 12/16/2011 1:29 PM, Kirkwood wrote: > I have been off-road (side of a hill) at least 15-25 degrees with that trans > in my 4 x4 with never a problem. Install whichever is easiest for you. > ------------------------------ > From: Larry Mayfield > (snip . . .) I can also install the engine in the car and split the 4 > degrees by rotating the engine mounts to the left by say, 2 degrees and that > puts both the motor and trans off horizontal by only 2 degrees each. > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/b.a.savage at cal.net From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Fri Dec 16 21:07:18 2011 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:07:18 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Transmission Adapter Plate References: <4EEB7713.6000605@mayfco.com> Message-ID: OH MAN, I always knew you were a little off kilter..... :=d From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Dec 16 22:10:42 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:10:42 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Transmission Adapter Plate In-Reply-To: References: <4EEB7713.6000605@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <4EEC2452.2040201@mayfco.com> Skewed is a more apt term. Seasons greetings to all! mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 12/16/2011 8:07 PM, Rick Byrnes wrote: > OH MAN, I always knew you were a little off kilter..... > > :=d From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Dec 19 15:50:31 2011 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:50:31 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Camp Shirt... Message-ID: <4EEFBFB7.8050006@mayfco.com> Ok, so I am seeking information on a particular camp shirt. This one would be tan in color with belly tanks, roadsters and modified roadsters on it. Wanna buy one for a friend. He saw this one being worn by a fellow and instantly wanted one, lol... So, any help appreciated...like where to get one, maker, ect.. mayf -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed From wester6935 at comcast.net Wed Dec 21 08:48:58 2011 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:48:58 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Like something Dale Pulju finds ... Message-ID: <4B10D3BE-4BA6-4668-925F-4EDA3A5D5C19@comcast.net> http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=18580451 From yesford at clear.net.nz Wed Dec 21 16:03:10 2011 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris R Harris) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:03:10 +1300 Subject: [Land-speed] Down Under calling. Message-ID: <155BDB425BD84554B5D85EA8E790AC3C@HarrisPC> Well people, old man 'time' is about ready to flip the glass over once again as another year comes to an end. To all on the list many thanks for the correspondence over the last 12 months, makes the 'land speed' World not quiet so far away. We sincerely hope you all enjoy a great Christmas period in your vast range of locations and the New Year be a good one for all. We're back again next year for Speedweek 2012 and looking forward to catching up once again. Be safe, stay well. Chris, Lesley, Lincoln & Pip Harris. New Zealand. From saltrat at pahrump.com Wed Dec 21 20:43:44 2011 From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:43:44 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Down Under calling. References: <155BDB425BD84554B5D85EA8E790AC3C@HarrisPC> Message-ID: <1E188427DC2D4FC0A821FE7D7E5A9B33@yourat5qgaac3z> Merry Christmas all and a fine year upcoming. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris R Harris" To: "Land Speed List." Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 15:03 Subject: [Land-speed] Down Under calling. > Well people, old man 'time' is about ready to flip the glass over once > again > as another year comes to an end. > To all on the list many thanks for the correspondence over the last 12 > months, > makes the 'land speed' World not quiet so far away. > We sincerely hope you all enjoy a great Christmas period in your vast > range of > locations and the New Year be a good one for all. > We're back again next year for Speedweek 2012 and looking forward to > catching > up once again. > Be safe, stay well. > > Chris, Lesley, Lincoln & Pip Harris. > New Zealand. > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/saltrat at pahrump.com From kturk at adelphia.net Thu Dec 22 05:57:09 2011 From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 06:57:09 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Down Under calling. In-Reply-To: <1E188427DC2D4FC0A821FE7D7E5A9B33@yourat5qgaac3z> References: <155BDB425BD84554B5D85EA8E790AC3C@HarrisPC> <1E188427DC2D4FC0A821FE7D7E5A9B33@yourat5qgaac3z> Message-ID: <81D12D1EAFA04FA191C4A434A0540F70@KeithTurksPC> Merry Christmas Chris and all of the rest of you.... I've been quiet but alive over here in my corner... Best to all of you in the coming year.... Keith From websters at pyramid.net Sat Dec 24 09:06:07 2011 From: websters at pyramid.net (Dan Webster) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:06:07 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Message-ID: <7DBC70EEE821486D8FE6986EADD6711F@DanPC> Good morning from Nevada. Hope everyone has a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Take care Dan Webster Car #313 From jimwebb at nutsracing.com Sun Dec 25 14:09:41 2011 From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 15:09:41 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year In-Reply-To: <7DBC70EEE821486D8FE6986EADD6711F@DanPC> References: <7DBC70EEE821486D8FE6986EADD6711F@DanPC> Message-ID: <9E5DD2AFD92941A58E79C506CFF0EEB1@VAIO> Merry Christmas to all... I hope Santa brings you the speed part of your dreams! Jim Webb Chock Full o' Nuts AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL