From jimwebb at nutsracing.com Sat Sep 4 07:51:07 2010 From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 08:51:07 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: My computer drash In-Reply-To: <4C7A841C.5060707@mayfco.com> References: <4C7A841C.5060707@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Mayf, The data from your drive can be recovered, but it may take a professional to do it. I have used a company called DriveSavers before when nasty employees did nasty things to hardware. DriveSavers does a number of things to save the data including replacing/bypassing the on board controller and if necessary they dismantle the drive and read the platter(s) directly. Call them and you can get a cost estimate. DriveSavers Data Recovery, Inc. 400 Bel Marin Keys Boulevard Novato, California, USA 94949-5650 Toll Free: 800.440.1904 Jim Webb Chock Full o' Nuts A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 11:00 AM To: land-speed at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Land-speed] OT: My computer drash I took the hard drive to the drive experts and had them take a look at it. Their comment was..."it's gone..all gone..." From woodnchop at att.net Sun Sep 5 06:32:09 2010 From: woodnchop at att.net (sherwood danenberger) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 05:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject) Message-ID: <283460.27065.qm@web80407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> please remove me from your mailing list. thank you sherwood danenberger www.woodnchop at att.net From joyseydevil at comcast.net Sun Sep 5 19:09:51 2010 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 21:09:51 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Bikes Message-ID: <324E71015C5043ACA2DEBB7786A3A96F@john> http://www.bobssaltyblog.com/DSCN2930.jpg http://www.bobssaltyblog.com/DSCN2879.jpg From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Sep 6 17:38:59 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:38:59 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) Message-ID: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com> Well, WOS is now in sight. As you may remember, I had a dyno day a couple of months back. I shredded a V rated tire when speeds rose above 164 mph on the dyno. Didn't get much data to tune with. But, it wasn't all that bad, a little rich but that is ok. I can fix that after the first run. Yesterday, I loaded the tune back into the car and fired it up. Well hat is stretching it a bit. Barely run is all it did and no idle at all. I drained the fuel from the tank and put fresh stuff in. Had put in a set of plugs yesterday. Still ran like dooky. So, I imported the MAF curve that I ran on the dyno without corrections and reloaded the binary into all four positions. Night and day. Now it idles at a docile 1000 rpm like it is supposed to. I guess an gremlin had gotten into the upload somehow. Car seems to be good. No major ills except that it is still hurt and may expire this time around. I hope not, but could happen. 205 is our goal. 19 mph is all I need to add to the existing car speed. Doesn't sound like much does it, maybe not if the turbo is working like it is supposed to . Now set at 10 psig. Have set points for 12 and 15 if needed.... Can you say Kaboom! So, the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) will head up to Bonneville on the 13th. We should arrive there around 1 - 2 pm if all goes well. We will park the trailer and put down the ground cloth and put the awning frame up. Maybe get the car out and covered with its car cover. Hook up the tow bar and be ready to head to tech inspection as soon as we get back on the salt on Tuesday. After tech we will see if we can drive the course before the drivers meeting. I like to know where the ruts and soft spots are, though truth be told I keep my eyes closed most of the way. Too scary to open them, lol... As soon as the drivers meeting happens, then racing is on. we will go until the 18th. Everyone has to be off the salt by the end of the day on the 18th because another event is happening Starting Sunday. We hope to make a run on Sat and then put the car and stuff away and head home. If I can, I will leave status via my yahoo account. If I still have one... If not, then a full report when we return. I think you may be able to check status on www.saltflats.com wish us luck! mayf From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org Mon Sep 6 18:26:23 2010 From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 20:26:23 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) In-Reply-To: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com> References: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <72960D6D-6704-4756-8046-AFAE45BE9C92@nancyandjon.org> On Sep 6, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: another event is happening Starting Sunday. mayf _____________________________________ Best wishes and good luck, Mayf. I hope the car outperforms your dreams. As for the Shootout starting Sunday -- well, the racing starts Monday. Sunday will be a drivers meeting when all teams will decide firing order (so to speak). After the meeting it's "retire to the Black and White bar" for socializing. Jon Wennerberg Tall guy with moustache and a pair of 2 Club hats From xlwp at hotmail.com Mon Sep 6 19:22:04 2010 From: xlwp at hotmail.com (xlwp at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:22:04 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Bikes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now, there's a guy thinking outside the box. That is awesome! -----Original Message----- 1. Bikes (John Burk) From fosterap at flash.net Mon Sep 6 21:43:57 2010 From: fosterap at flash.net (Jerry Foster) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 22:43:57 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam(wannabe) In-Reply-To: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com> References: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Stand on it Mayf! Jerry in Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: ; ; Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam(wannabe) > Well, WOS is now in sight. As you may remember, I had a dyno day a > couple of months back. I shredded a V rated tire when speeds rose above > 164 mph on the dyno. Didn't get much data to tune with. But, it wasn't > all that bad, a little rich but that is ok. I can fix that after the > first run. Yesterday, I loaded the tune back into the car and fired it > up. Well hat is stretching it a bit. Barely run is all it did and no idle > at all. I drained the fuel from the tank and put fresh stuff in. Had put > in a set of plugs yesterday. Still ran like dooky. So, I imported the MAF > curve that I ran on the dyno without corrections and reloaded the binary > into all four positions. Night and day. Now it idles at a docile 1000 > rpm like it is supposed to. I guess an gremlin had gotten into the upload > somehow. Car seems to be good. No major ills except that it is still hurt > and may expire this time around. I hope not, but could happen. 205 is our > goal. 19 mph is all I need to add to the existing car speed. Doesn't > sound like much does it, maybe not if the turbo is working like it is > supposed to . Now set at 10 psig. Have set points for 12 and 15 if > needed.... Can you say Kaboom! > > So, the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) will head up to Bonneville on the > 13th. We should arrive there around 1 - 2 pm if all goes well. We will > park the trailer and put down the ground cloth and put the awning frame > up. Maybe get the car out and covered with its car cover. Hook up the > tow bar and be ready to head to tech inspection as soon as we get back on > the salt on Tuesday. After tech we will see if we can drive the course > before the drivers meeting. I like to know where the ruts and soft spots > are, though truth be told I keep my eyes closed most of the way. Too scary > to open them, lol... As soon as the drivers meeting happens, then racing > is on. we will go until the 18th. Everyone has to be off the salt by the > end of the day on the 18th because another event is happening Starting > Sunday. We hope to make a run on Sat and then put the car and stuff away > and head home. > > If I can, I will leave status via my yahoo account. If I still have one... > If not, then a full report when we return. > > I think you may be able to check status on www.saltflats.com > > > wish us luck! > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/fosterap at flash.net From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Tue Sep 7 06:46:48 2010 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:46:48 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) References: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com> <72960D6D-6704-4756-8046-AFAE45BE9C92@nancyandjon.org> Message-ID: <001c01cb4e8a$be6da060$6501a8c0@Rick> Jon Do you know all the participants? From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Sep 7 07:36:19 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:36:19 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) In-Reply-To: <001c01cb4e8a$be6da060$6501a8c0@Rick> References: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com> <72960D6D-6704-4756-8046-AFAE45BE9C92@nancyandjon.org> <001c01cb4e8a$be6da060$6501a8c0@Rick> Message-ID: <4C863FD3.80509@mayfco.com> On 9/7/2010 5:46 AM, Rick Byrnes wrote: > Jon > Do you know all the participants? > > > So, Rick, you hijack my email to send a note to Jon W.? mayf From gary_ellen at msn.com Tue Sep 7 07:40:34 2010 From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 07:40:34 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) In-Reply-To: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com><72960D6D-6704-4756-8046-AFAE45BE9C92@nancyandjon.org> <001c01cb4e8a$be6da060$6501a8c0@Rick> References: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com><72960D6D-6704-4756-8046-AFAE45BE9C92@nancyandjon.org> <001c01cb4e8a$be6da060$6501a8c0@Rick> Message-ID: We don't publish a pre-entry list because the entrants in previous years started to get calls about buying their pre-entry or other solicitations. It is really a strange phenomena. So the pre-entry list is available as soon as you get your program handout. Hope to see you at World of Speed! Gary & Ellen From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Tue Sep 7 07:59:49 2010 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:59:49 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) References: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com> <72960D6D-6704-4756-8046-AFAE45BE9C92@nancyandjon.org> <001c01cb4e8a$be6da060$6501a8c0@Rick> <4C863FD3.80509@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <000a01cb4e94$f0f670c0$6501a8c0@Rick> What the hell, any port in the storm. Hope you do well at WOS. From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Tue Sep 7 10:32:54 2010 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 12:32:54 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) References: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com><72960D6D-6704-4756-8046-AFAE45BE9C92@nancyandjon.org><001c01cb4e8a$be6da060$6501a8c0@Rick> <4C863FD3.80509@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <000e01cb4eaa$5390b370$6401a8c0@Rick> Doc The liner is going very slowly. I got screwed pretty badly by the first body design guy. He produced nothing that was useable. I have a new guy that is really good at making the compromises we need to between beauty/AERO/function. We are getting there in design. I got slowed down in March with illness and still haven't fully recovered. Now they are worried about permanent kidney damage. I'm still working at it as I can, and still literally having a ball designing and fabricating everything. BUT, there are still things to DO OVER. My goals now are for WOS 2011. (cant afford SpeedWeek anymore) Rick (off to pick up more Argon) From jimwebb at nutsracing.com Tue Sep 7 18:56:09 2010 From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 19:56:09 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) - Threadjacked! In-Reply-To: <000e01cb4eaa$5390b370$6401a8c0@Rick> References: <4C857B93.7020207@mayfco.com><72960D6D-6704-4756-8046-AFAE45BE9C92@nancyandjon.org><001c01cb4e8a$be6da060$6501a8c0@Rick><4C863FD3.80509@mayfco.com> <000e01cb4eaa$5390b370$6401a8c0@Rick> Message-ID: <6E752C38BB06418BAFA1B76B0E08B820@VAIO> You know our motto: Anything worth doing is worth doing over! We do a lot of that. Good luck and heal up. Jim Webb Chock Full o' Nuts A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Byrnes Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:33 AM To: drmayf at mayfco.com Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net; tweecer at yahoogroups.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed & the Worlds Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) Doc The liner is going very slowly. I got screwed pretty badly by the first body design guy. He produced nothing that was useable. I have a new guy that is really good at making the compromises we need to between beauty/AERO/function. We are getting there in design. I got slowed down in March with illness and still haven't fully recovered. Now they are worried about permanent kidney damage. I'm still working at it as I can, and still literally having a ball designing and fabricating everything. BUT, there are still things to DO OVER. My goals now are for WOS 2011. (cant afford SpeedWeek anymore) Rick (off to pick up more Argon) From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Sep 12 09:48:46 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:48:46 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Oiling Questions Message-ID: <4C8CF65E.1010102@mayfco.com> Have been looking forward to improving the Sunbeam race car. Been thinking out loud on several issues of dry sump systems and the pressure side oiling . I like the dry sumps use in the sunbeam because I can keep the engine lower down between the frame rails. One of the items that has surfaced in my head is the use of an external oil pressure regulator system. Huh? you say. Most of the oil pumps we use have an internal pressure relief system but unfortunately it is right at the beginning of the pressure input. The oil is bypassed around and around inside the pump and it gets hot. The bypass should be at the end of the oiling system path to assure that each and every thing that needs oil, gets oil. Plus, the oil would not be chased around and around inside the pump. This should work exactly like the pressure regulator on an EFI car with a bypass return system. The regulator should be adjustable. I have a large Aeromotive bypass regulator on my fuel system and that sucker might be able to do the trick. Have any of you ever heard of using an external oil regulator bypass like this before? I have not, but then I am still a noob at this. The next is some sort of scavenge system. I know the corvette now has a dry sump system which means that it has to have some sort of scavenging system to return oil to the tank. Anybody know how that is done on that car? Point me to a URL where I can read about it? Would a vane type pump serve as a scavenge return pump? I would also like to hook up the scavenge pump to the valve covers, on each side front and rear, and maybe the lifter valley as well ll in support of getting oil from the pan as well. I would love to hear thoughts on a system or issues like I mention. Either on list or off. headed up to Bendover in the morning around 4 am....ugh... mayf From neil at dbelltech.com Sun Sep 12 10:01:54 2010 From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:01:54 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Oiling Questions In-Reply-To: <4C8CF65E.1010102@mayfco.com> References: <4C8CF65E.1010102@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Mayf; I think some types of aircraft engines use an external oil pressure regulator in their dry sump systems. As far as using that Aeromotive regulator goes, I wonder if the higher kinematic viscosity of oil over gasoline would allow the regulator to operate properly. Good luck at WOS! Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry Mayfield" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 8:48 AM To: ; Subject: [Land-speed] Oiling Questions > Have been looking forward to improving the Sunbeam race car. Been > thinking out loud on several issues of dry sump systems and the pressure > side oiling . I like the dry sumps use in the sunbeam because I can keep > the engine lower down between the frame rails. One of the items that has > surfaced in my head is the use of an external oil pressure regulator > system. Huh? you say. Most of the oil pumps we use have an internal > pressure relief system but unfortunately it is right at the beginning of > the pressure input. The oil is bypassed around and around inside the pump > and it gets hot. The bypass should be at the end of the oiling system path > to assure that each and every thing that needs oil, gets oil. Plus, the > oil would not be chased around and around inside the pump. This should > work exactly like the pressure regulator on an EFI car with a bypass > return system. The regulator should be adjustable. I have a large > Aeromotive bypass regulator on my fuel system and that sucker might be > able to do the trick. Have any of you ever heard of using an external oil > regulator bypass like this before? I have not, but then I am still a noob > at this. > > The next is some sort of scavenge system. I know the corvette now has a > dry sump system which means that it has to have some sort of scavenging > system to return oil to the tank. Anybody know how that is done on that > car? Point me to a URL where I can read about it? Would a vane type pump > serve as a scavenge return pump? I would also like to hook up the > scavenge pump to the valve covers, on each side front and rear, and maybe > the lifter valley as well ll in support of getting oil from the pan as > well. > > > I would love to hear thoughts on a system or issues like I mention. > Either on list or off. > > headed up to Bendover in the morning around 4 am....ugh... > > mayf From ddahlgren at snet.net Sun Sep 12 10:18:04 2010 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 12:18:04 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Oiling Questions In-Reply-To: <4C8CF65E.1010102@mayfco.com> References: <4C8CF65E.1010102@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <33B4EFFF3B19447EB42ADB631D9315D9@DaveSatellite> The regulator is a very bad idea at least that one for that job. A well designed system will have pump size and drive speed setup so you are not bypassing very much oil at speed and who cares if it does at idle. Warming the oil at idle is a pluss not a minus you will have a lot to warm up. A simple way to warm the oil is to put about 6 or 8 feet of 3/8 steel tubing in the tank and connect it up like it was the car heater bypassing coolant through it. It will warm the oil quickly but not more than the engine temperature right where you want to be. It also doubles as an oil cooler if the oil is warmer than the water. see these diagrams as some examples.. http://www.petersonfluidsys.com/tech_pumpdia.html Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:48 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Oiling Questions > Have been looking forward to improving the Sunbeam race car. Been > thinking out loud on several issues of dry sump systems and the pressure > side oiling . I like the dry sumps use in the sunbeam because I can keep > the engine lower down between the frame rails. One of the items that has > surfaced in my head is the use of an external oil pressure regulator > system. Huh? you say. Most of the oil pumps we use have an internal > pressure relief system but unfortunately it is right at the beginning of > the pressure input. The oil is bypassed around and around inside the pump > and it gets hot. The bypass should be at the end of the oiling system path > to assure that each and every thing that needs oil, gets oil. Plus, the > oil would not be chased around and around inside the pump. This should > work exactly like the pressure regulator on an EFI car with a bypass > return system. The regulator should be adjustable. I have a large > Aeromotive bypass regulator on my fuel system and that sucker might be > able to do the trick. Have any of you ever heard of using an external oil > regulator bypass like this before? I have not, but then I am still a noob > at this. > > The next is some sort of scavenge system. I know the corvette now has a > dry sump system which means that it has to have some sort of scavenging > system to return oil to the tank. Anybody know how that is done on that > car? Point me to a URL where I can read about it? Would a vane type pump > serve as a scavenge return pump? I would also like to hook up the > scavenge pump to the valve covers, on each side front and rear, and maybe > the lifter valley as well ll in support of getting oil from the pan as > well. > > > I would love to hear thoughts on a system or issues like I mention. > Either on list or off. > > headed up to Bendover in the morning around 4 am....ugh... > > mayf From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Wed Sep 15 14:56:37 2010 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:56:37 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Penetrating Oils Compared Message-ID: <4C913305.9020001@wildblue.net> FYI Sorry if this is old info. Bryan Penetrating Oils Compared Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. Penetrating oil ..... Average load None ..................... 516 pounds WD-40 .................. 238 pounds PB Blaster ..............214 pounds Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all now use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price. From joyseydevil at comcast.net Wed Sep 15 17:26:44 2010 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:26:44 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Piston burning Message-ID: <1AF776834C874E079A564E0FBEA2422A@john> In a mis-tuned engine when the pistons "burn" , what's the cause ? Is the piston's ability to give off heat exceeded ? Does excess heat and free oxygen cause them to burn ? Does detonation cause hot spots that melts the aluminum ? Is it a combination ? John Burk From benn at sonic.net Wed Sep 15 17:51:31 2010 From: benn at sonic.net (Benn) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:51:31 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] knock sensors References: <1AF776834C874E079A564E0FBEA2422A@john> Message-ID: here are a coupla articles on knock sensors that are a bit interesting. http://diagnosticnews.com/featured/engine-knock-sensors-part-1/ http://diagnosticnews.com/featured/engine-knock-sensors-part-2/ Benn From yesford at clear.net.nz Wed Sep 15 18:08:03 2010 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:08:03 +1200 Subject: [Land-speed] Piston burning In-Reply-To: <1AF776834C874E079A564E0FBEA2422A@john> References: <1AF776834C874E079A564E0FBEA2422A@john> Message-ID: <4ABD6D954DF1456EB1B278DC34B3633F@ChrisHarrisPC> John, We've just got home from a rather forgettable Speedweek, we burned a piston. In our case it was caused by detonation due to a lean fuel mixture, without going into greater detail. Chris Harris..........NZed. > In a mis-tuned engine when the pistons "burn" , what's the cause ? Is the > piston's ability to give off heat exceeded ? Does excess heat and free > oxygen > cause them to burn ? Does detonation cause hot spots that melts the > aluminum ? > Is it a combination ? > > John Burk From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Wed Sep 15 18:39:11 2010 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:39:11 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Piston burning prevention --- WATER! Message-ID: <4C91672F.2050502@wildblue.net> I don't understand why most Bonneville racers are afraid of water injection. Sir Harry Ricardo (look him up on the Internet) proved, BACK IN THE 1930's, that water injection will prevent detonation at very high manifold pressures. A mix of 50% fuel and 50% water allowed the highest boost and power. Mayf's web site has information about the chemistry involved and it proves that most of the ideas I've heard about water injection are just flat WRONG! The Hydrogen and the Oxygen in the water become involved in the combustion process. I ran 22-23 psi manifold pressure with no problems. I used three quarts of water and 5 quarts ERC E8 gas per run. When the waste gate stuck closed and the boost went to 28 psi, detonation didn't start until Howard got into 6th gear. And that was on a return run with every thing hot. Back then we ran down and back first thing in the morning. You couldn't lean on the engine as hard as you can today because it had to be a three pass motor, not a two pass motor. The turbo setup was as crude as they come. The carb mounted on the turbo with the turbo blowing into a simple log manifold. But it worked. Bryan From gmc6power at earthlink.net Wed Sep 15 22:57:32 2010 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 21:57:32 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Piston burning References: <1AF776834C874E079A564E0FBEA2422A@john> Message-ID: >From my experience everthing in the engine is fuel. From the liquid you pour in the tank to all the parts it can find when it wants so more fuel.....spark plugs, pistons, rings, valves, gaskets, etc....Seems to be a lean/detonation experience. Most folks can't or won't pull a dyno run the length of a 5 mile pass; it's only a tool to use. I like to start them a little fat and without the lead where I made the best power....things change halfway into a run and I'd rather be safe a ease into it...Good luck ----- Original Message ----- > In a mis-tuned engine when the pistons "burn" , what's the cause ? Is the > piston's ability to give off heat exceeded ? Does excess heat and free > oxygen > cause them to burn ? Does detonation cause hot spots that melts the > aluminum ? > Is it a combination ? > > John Burk From lsrvette at yahoo.com Mon Sep 20 10:12:23 2010 From: lsrvette at yahoo.com (lsrvette at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject) Message-ID: <774324.43109.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://lrnq.vudeorols.com From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Fri Sep 24 17:27:08 2010 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:27:08 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Passings Message-ID: <79E89F0FA255492CA528E9D4877F4764@GlenPC> Another pioneer passed away today. Joaquin Arnett of the famous Bean Bandits club of San Diego. He was also a lakes and Bonneville racer. A long time friend. RIP & God Speed. From jdincau at qnet.com Fri Sep 24 18:14:08 2010 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:14:08 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Passings In-Reply-To: <79E89F0FA255492CA528E9D4877F4764@GlenPC> References: <79E89F0FA255492CA528E9D4877F4764@GlenPC> Message-ID: Sorry to hear that, Joaquin was a neat guy to talk to. From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Sep 18 20:26:10 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:26:10 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Flash Report.... Message-ID: <4C9574C2.3040707@mayfco.com> The wife and I just rolled into the driveway. The Sunbeam is now, I consider, no longer a wannabe. On Thursday I pulled off a 204.9xx last timed mile and managed to run through the exit trap at 210.7x mph. Driving one handed on teh last mile at speed..cause the other one was firmly attached to teh chute release, lol.... I'll send out more info tomorrow after I quit riding... Been in the truck since 9 am this morning and am pooped. Met a coup0le of really nice guys, one first timer and the second a list member. The first was Funbeam Chuck aka Chuck Colley. He was in Pahrump came to see the car before we left and then went to WOS to be with us. Helped immensely! The other was Bob Hokanson. He had been to the shop once before, but was in Salt Lake City and came over and checked things out and even helped us put it all back into the trailer on Friday. Wonderful men! more later!! oh, didn't hurt the motor either. mayf worlds fastest suneam, 204.9.xx and 210.7xx exit speed From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Sep 19 07:35:05 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 06:35:05 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 1, Monday Message-ID: <4C961189.2010708@mayfco.com> Monday; This was drive to the salt day. We had already loaded the big red trailer with all the bits and pieces and all the fuel tanks were filled. So, we got up at 3 am, yes, you read that right, 3 am, and headed out. We went through the Las Vegas area on I-15 and that was the reason for the early start. Monday was a working day in LV and traffic is absolutely murder. Throw in a construction site or two and of course it just gets miserable. But we hit I-5 at 5 am and we went through without a hitch. We buzzed along without incident and made it to Ash Springs, on US 93, where we always gas up again (just topping off the big tanks). grab a cuppa and a egg/ham/cheese/muffin before we continue. Of course the obligatory pee break (wife is always with me, lol). No problems and we cruised up high way 318 between Ash Springs and Lund, NV. This is the road where the Silver State Classic is held and it is being run today, Sunday, the 19 th. The beginning of Sr 318 is also where the ET highway (SR 375) launches and runs up through Nevada next to the Area 51 location and through Rachel. Did that road once, but, not likely to do it again, lol. Stopped in Ely for a cold drink and more fuel. Still no issues. Made it to Wendover on US 93A about 7 1/2 total hours. Drove straight out to the salt flat and into the pits and parked. Set up the ground cloth, put up the metal framework for the awning. Wes Potter, one of my most favorite people in the world stopped by and mentioned that they were doing some inspections on the cars. We decided to take advantage of that and beat the crowd, next day. Got the car's logbook out and put it into the truck, hooked up the 8 foot long tow bar I have been using for the last 5 years and off we went to tech! I usually make a large swoopy turn with that long tow bar and, ahem, thought I had done so this time. Turns out, no, no I didn't. {ulled into the inspection line and the car seems to be in an odd position behind the truck. Didn't think a thing about it until one of my other friends, Tom Shannon mentioned in passing that I might need to take a look at the tow bar. AGHHHHHH! It was bent at a 90 degree angle! We tried to straighten it out, but twas a no go. Off to a god start for this meet...NOT! Put the wife, oh hell, her name is Cathy, into the car and let her guide it back to the pit, sans inspection. Just as we reached the pit, the bar failed entirely and she aimed the car to miss the truck. Well, done, spouse! The loss of the tow bar was and is not a major issue because we also have a push bar on the car and a push bumper on the truck. It was getting late in the day by then, so we put the cover on the car and locked the trailer. Headed into Wendover to a bath and some pretty fair food at the Peppermill. I like Asian and I like theirs best. Watch a bit of news and into bed. Tuesday is next. mayf From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Sep 19 08:02:11 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:02:11 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 2, Tuesday Message-ID: <4C9617E3.8000902@mayfco.com> Tuesday Tuesday was WOS tech inspection and pit set up day for the normal people who do not arrive a day early. As is or normal routine, we have breakfast before heading out to the salt. That generally means that we hit the Red Garter around 6:15 am or so for their 2.99 breakfast. Hey, gotta save where we can and it is pretty much ok. A lot of teams have breakfast there. And of course, we always see old friends and were pleasantly surprised when one of our favorites, Jon and Keilani Amo walked by with..surprise, a new baby! Tyler. Wow, what a nice young man. Jon and Keilani had a stream liner they are now running for records. Nice vehicle! Off to the salt to get ready for inspection. Grab the log book again and remove the car cover, and set up the awning. Have help this morning Funbeam Chuck (Chuck Colley) from Florida, just happened to drop in to assist and it was welcome indeed. We pushed the car down to inspection and after a fair wait, we into the inspection station. Seems like a new crowd of inspectors each time I go. For our car, it take two inspectors and both must sign off. Their was noting at issue with the car as I am kind of anal about little things that might get me killed, lol... The push bar worked to perfection. BUT.... every time the car had been moved around since 2006, it had been on the end of the tow bar. Me, in the ruck doing the towing. Now, I was in the car steering. Holy Smokes! It makes so much noise with rattle, bangs, thumps chirps that I had to stop twice to see if it was falling apart, lol. It has absolutely no sound proofing or anti rattle installed. Never heard any of that before, lol. Back in the pit, we decide to upload the tune to the tweecer in all four positions. Ugh oh! Having problems to get the laptop to actually write to the tweecer. It shows the progress bar but nothing happened. We pulled connectors, filled and finally go it going. Have had issues like this before and it is beginning to aggravate me, lol. Started data logging and that started and data logged ok. Then for the rest of the set up day we just schmoozed with people who came by. I honestly believe that the Sunbeam is the most photographed car on the salt, no kidding. We had photogs from Germany taking picture, actually two different ones. One had a pretty assistant, lol. Decided to put it all away in prep for the next days Driver's meeting and racing on Wednesday. mayf From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Sep 19 08:46:02 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:46:02 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 3, Wednesday, Part A Message-ID: <4C96222A.9050202@mayfco.com> Wednesday, in two parts First day of real race activity. As usual, we did our breakfast thing at the red Garter and headed out. Had to be on the salt and at registration by 8 am for the driver's meeting. They had moved it up an hour or two to get more racing it. Fair number of folk at the meeting. The rules of racing etiquette were explained to all of us after the blessing and special mentions they always do. WOS uses the long course for 150 mph club cars, who go to the 3 mile markers, and for the rest of us who may or may not get to the 5 mile markers. If there is trouble, turn right to the inside of the course and they send response vehicles to help. Normal is turn left. There are graded turn offs about every quarter mile along the way. there is a shorter course where the 130 mph club car race and it is limited to , I believe 1 mile. We don't run on it, lol. But, lots of folk do. This is basically you street car with basic safety equipment. I believe the cars need to be licensed. We drove the long course as we always do, noting any particular ugly spots, like loose salt or big ruts made by the high power cars of Speed Week. Ruts are not much fun. Back to the pits. We go by the fuel trailer and get our 16 gallon barrel filled. Yikes, it gets more expensive every year! But, the gasoline we use is the very best I have ever seen for a turbo or blown car. We Use ERC's A8C gasoline and I will use nothing else, ever, lol. Back to the pit.... fuel the car and lock down the deck lid and put in all the small braces from the spoiler to the rear valence. Funbeam Chuck helped immensely with all of that. Decided to reload the tune into the A9P and tweecer again. Same freaking issues as Tuesday. Does not seem to want to work. But finally we get it to upload and data log. Grab the gear and go. Now folks, lemme tell you what is required for the driver when a front engined blown car over 175 mph is involved. The driver is required to have an SFI 3.2A/20 fire suit. Now that is about 1/2 inches of fire resistant materials and hotter than hell. Pant ans tunic. Must have arm restraints sewn into the sleevers of the jacket. Must have Sfi 3.2A/15 funny car boots. I forget what the Sfi is for the gloves but they are funny car gloves as well. A SA2005 helmet is required. I am a fat old guy and with all of that on, I look like a blue Michelin Man, lol. A hot sweaty Michelin Man.... We start putting al off that on when we get to about car 6 or 7 in line on our side of the starting line. They run 150 cars on one side and salt cars on the other. see part B mayf From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Sep 19 08:46:08 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:46:08 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 3, Wednesday, Part B Message-ID: <4C962230.70809@mayfco.com> Wednesday, Part B That way they launch a long course car and as soon as it clears the 3 mile, they launch a 150 car. and they bounce back and forth that way to keep things going. Well, things start to go funny.... we put in 40 pounds of ice into the intercooler and start setting up the laptop. It did not want to talk to the tweecer! After rebooting and turning the A9P on and off, it did start and I set it to data logging. As soon as I see tha data logging is stable and is continuing, we close the laptop and put the aluminum tonneau on. My good friend Dale Pulju is in charge of getting me geared up and into the car and locking down teh tonnea cover. We have an extension power cable from the push truck to the car to power the laptop during the long wait times. It just takes data until the motor is turned off at the end of the run. Now I get into the car...can you say oh boy? I squirm into the roll cage, wiggle my butt into place and Dale puts the belts on. Lemme tell ya, When Dale pulls on the belts, you are definitely part of the car. Ahh, but here is where the fun on this run begins.... I had reinstalled the full diameter steering wheel I had used some time ago because I had installed a steering ratio reducer and it was a bit oft set. I figured that it woul allow me to make easy turns. This was the first time for the ratio reducer. Well, the big steering wheel caused me no end of grief, lol. First, my left hand was trapped under it and I could not move it far enough to get it into position to put my hand on it at the 10 o'clock position. Push up to the line where Dale tells the starter that we are just making a check run to about the 3 mile to make sure nothing falls off the car, that the steering works, and the new fuel system works as well and oh, the intercooler keeps the air cooler. So there I sit when the starter comes over, Monty, and chats with me, pulls on the harness and tells me to start the car. I do, and he oints down course. I slip the shifter into 1,2,3 position and off I go. With my gas pedal foot trapped behind the freaking gas pedal. and then I find out that, crap, my brake foot is also trapped behind the brake pedal. Crap! On course at an idle... Folk were snickering and making fun, lol, I learned later. My good friends, lol.... I did managed to get both feet in some position to mash things and off I finally went. It was that large steering wheel that caused the problem I had prevented my legs from any movement at all because it was right on them. Well, we made our check run at something under 150 mph and turned off and went to the return road. My friend Tom Shannon who is a course worker came over and asked if it was ok and handed me a bottle of water. Helped me get then booties off. Handed me a hand written timing slip telling me what I had managed. I think he was giggling but I can't be sure. But, thanks Tom! Back to the pit. Changed that steering wheel to the butterfly one I had been using. Also added 15 degrees up angle to the spoiler because it was twitchy out there on the course even at 150 or slower. Snugged the car down for the night. Took the printer and lap top back to he hotel where I made a change to the spark table. I had modifiedd it ut for some reason, some of the cells I didn't change were pretty high spark for the modest load I was seeing. Made those changes and we headed out to supper and early bed. Wednesday was finally done and I was still alive, lol as was the car..... From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Sep 19 10:13:08 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:13:08 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 3, Thursday, Part A Message-ID: <4C963694.3010100@mayfco.com> Thursday in Two Parts... The day dawned bright and clear. Up early for our usual breakfast and headed out. Allowed to get on the salt at 7 am, no camping on the salt ever. Get the car uncovered, and the awning up. Checked the tire pressures: I run 60 in the Goodyear Front Runners and 70 in the Goodyear Front Runner LSR tires. I do that because the car will kind of hinge around the front end even in a long slide with the rear tires making the long excursions sideways. So I want those suckers to have no grip sideways at all to prevent rolling them off the rims and then the rims digging into the salt and pole vaulting the car up and over. No, no, I do not like that scenario at all. Check the oil and it is right on the mark and even though it has an aborted dyno run and the, ahem, fun run of yesterday on it, it looks like I just poured it in. dale touches everything under the hood to make sure it was all ok, Funbeam Chuck also adds a pair of eyes looking to make sure it is all satisfactory. We put more fuel into the car. We actual don't really use much Around a gallon and a half for a full boogie run through the 5 mile, charge the battery for an hour or so while we fiddle around with stuff, and putting gear into the truck. I take three tires with the truck just in case one gets farkled and needs one to make it back to the pit. Tool bag just in case, lager ice chest for IC ice. Normal cooler for drinks for the crew, and a host of other stuff. When the driver is ready, we sally forth. Dale does the push truck driving duties, Chuck is riding shotgun and the crew chief is in the rear seat. They push me the 3 or so miles to the start line where we get into an interminably slow line. Glacial speed is an overstatement. Seems like just about every other car or bike has some kind of down course farkle. Was the same yesterday. Had a T-bird lose a glass window... wow, what a chore that is. every piece of glass has to be found and picked up. While waiting inline we always get lots of folk who stop by and chat and take pictures. I had a wonderful conversation with a high school girl and boy. They stopped by and chatted for almost 30 minutes. What a delight! We keep pushing to the line with our comment of "time for the hourly move 10 feet forward".... But, we finally get to the location we chose to start gearing up. I put on the suit pants and my under booty shoes and then start the laptop. Turn on the battery power to the car, start the A9P and tweecer. Start the laptop and crap, not talking to the tweecer. Shut everything down and reboot it all. had to do that a couple of times to get it to data logging. Seems to be working satisfactorily. I had earlier loaded the spark changes I made into the tweecer so hopefully that would be ok. Filled the IC tank with another 40 pounds of ice, closed it's lid and Dale put the tonneau on. I finish gearing up and we put me into the car, or is that we put the car around me? But this time things are different! My left hand is not trapped by that big steering wheel and I can move my legs around to the pedals! Life is good, lol... Get to the line and Dale says to the starter, he is gonna make a full run this time. Monty, the starter comes over tries to pull some more on the straps which is futile because when Dale pulls on them, they are TIGHT. I can almost breathe. I do a lot of deep breathing, because honestly, I don't know how far down range I get before I do actually breathe. This time the starter say light it up, and when I nod, he points down range. I snick it into the AODs middle position on the gear shift, which is supposed to be 1,2,3 without OD. I set off and after a short while that sucker shifts into OD! I mash the pedal a bit and it down shifts into what is I hope 3rd. Then I move the shift lever to a position which is hopefully the right gear. Nothing happens. well, it shouldn't because it is in third gear. Knot headed me, I decide to change the gear shift position once again. Well, lemme tell ya, from third to second and the engine RPM buzzed to about 7200 rpm and I nearly head a heart attack, lol. My first thought was that it the motor was merely injured before, it was fatally so this time. see part B mayf From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Sep 19 10:13:13 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:13:13 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 3, Thursday, Part B Message-ID: <4C963699.1070108@mayfco.com> Thursday Part B Ok, now in the right gear and headed down course. Kinda of feathering it for some idiotic reason, maybe the twitchy course from yesterday was stuck in my head... but by the 2 and a quarter mile trap I was only going 166 (I think that's what it was, I'll have to go out and get the timing slip and look). But, I continued to mash the pedal more. There was the previous 5500 rpm position, then 5600, then I mashed a LOT more and by the start of the 4th mile I was truly hauling ass. Maybe 5800 going into the last timed mile. Now the car is drifting around, not crazily, but wandering, which is expected somewhat. But, the back end was breaking traction and the rear was moving a foot or so either way in addition to the drifting. Now, folks, lemme tell you, that in this condition, of drift and see saw and me being a noob at this speed I was scared pretty much spit less! I drove the last mile with one hand only on the steering wheel, just moving the car as needed to keep it between the course markers and the other hand on the chute release. I really do not like "spins". So I was gonna be ready if it decided to cut loose. I kept the tach above 6000 for the end of the run and when the 5 mile marker went by, I pulled the chute. Now one time before at 175 or so I did that and the car went side ways, so this time I was braced to go side ways. Yikes! The chute hit and the car stopped squirming around and went absolutely dead straight. I could have removed my hands from the steering wheel. it was so good. Wow, what a relief. As I drove that last mile, I tried to look at gauges but the one that I really watched was the oil pressure gauge. Heck it was 70 psig! As I slowed down and turned off course it dawned on me that it took nearly a full mile to get the car stopped. When I got it stopped and pointed in the go home direction, I pulled off gloves, released the harness, pulled the helmet and stood up. Got out and pulled the booties and jacket off and pants...it is hot with all that stuff on. Then Tom Shannon arrived with the water bottle and a quick look at the car. Was a wisp of smoke drifting out of the back of the hood opening. So he undid the dzus fasteners and looked Asked me if anything was wrong and I told him that dang it had never been ran that hard before. I expected a little smoke. Later back in the pit, Dale found the connectors to the HEGO welded together, lol... That was the source of the smoke wisp. Seemed like a long wait for the push truck, but they are limited to about 50 mph and they had a long way to come, lol.... When they arrived, I removed the chute and off we went...at 20 mph.... Got to the timing shack and got my timing slip. Can you say YEEHAAA! 204.912 average for the last mile and a 210.7.xx exit speed! The car was still accelerating going out the back door! Back at the pit, I am anxious to see how the engine data looked. But, the data logging had failed me once again. I am not sure how it failed but I got the dataq 4 channels and the Innovate wide band which are recorded outside of the engine payload. But when something fails to respond to polling it usually stops data logging on everything. It did not do this this time. I did show that the AFR was great, and that boost reached 11.8 or so, was set to approximately 10 as close as on can turn a knob, so that was fantastic! Do I see 15 psig in the future? maybe..... We settled down for a quiet period then put the cover on the car and took the awning down and went to the hotel to get ready for supper at the Rainbow Steakhouse. My opinion is that this is by far the best restaurant in town. Spendy but really good. Friday and Sat next! mayf From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Sep 19 10:52:27 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 09:52:27 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 4 & 5, Friday and Saturday Message-ID: <4C963FCB.4080409@mayfco.com> Basking in the glory... well, not really, lol. But I am proud of what we did. Friday was a lazy day with lots of schmoozing with everybody because we had previously been busy. Chatted with some Ferrari folk who had brought the wrecked and repaired one (which model was that?) . Their wheels cost more than my entire operation, lol. They jad a killer tow truck for the trailer. COE Chevy or GMC circa 1953 or so, with an added crew cab section. They had added a twin turbo setup and had indicated that they were making around 815 hp. Other than that, they were not very friendly or chatty, so we wandered back to our pit. They weren't impressed by the Sunbeam at all and they were in pout engine class and body class. Bob Hokanson called and came down to out pit and filled in for Funbeam Chuck who had left the night before. He had places to go and country to see. And a football game to watch. We wandered down to the starting line and met some of the people I know. Scott Guthrie was there, I think he signle handedly populated the ECTA bike record book, lol. He is a cool guy an dI always like chatting with him. Ran into Rex Svoda (Please forgive me for mispelling this) and Tom Burkland. Both are heores of mine. They were herding the SAAB that has teh ginormous Keith Black (?) fuel burning hemi up the long course parking lot commonly called the prestaging line. After chatting with everyone I knew we wandered back to the pit and lazily loaded the trailer and stuffed the car in. BOB got in the car and drove it into the trailer as I ran the winch. Cool. He helped tie it all down and when the dust had settled he begged hour forgiveness and returned to his wife Bev who was in Salt Lake City. Thanks a lot Bob! I needed help and you gave generously! The trailer was et to go and we went back to the hotel. We had been having martinis that Monte Wolfe provided every evening so we grabbed him and Dale and we headed out to Monte's favorite steak house for a dinner treat on us. He and Dale kept us sane the whole time and for that I say thanks! We had a grest supper and then it was off to bed. Saturday morning we got up, settled with the hotel (1000 dollars less that the same number of nights last year at speed week, same hotel). and headed for the Salt Flats Cafe at teh truck stop. We alwasy try and have one meal there every meet. Marcello, the jolly Mexican, always treats everyone well. We decide to go crazy and have biscuits and gravy, with a couple of eggs on the side, lol. Delicious! Out to the course, hooked up and ready to go. Our friend and pit mate next door, was towing out for another go at getting into impound on a 308 record. Not sure how that went as we left shortly there after and headed out and home. Not an issue until we got to Ely. Pulled into the Shell station at the junction of US 6 and US 93, got the rig into fuel position, got out to kick the tires and holy crap! the middle tire on the drivers side of the trailer was in tatters. Completely destroyed. I finished fueling and moved the truck to a parking area and we changed that tire. Then I looked at the last tire on that side and it was failing also. Tread separation. So, we had to find two replacement tires before we could set off again. Took a couple of hours before we were under way again. But I wasn't headed from Ely to Tonopah with out a spare and that other tire replaced. No further incidents along the way however. The tires that were on teh trailer when I purchased new, are Maxxis 8008. I have so far replaced most of them. They will go no further on this trailer! I will get some good commercial bias belted tires hopefully for respected manufacturers for future towing. No more of these tires. JUNK. I want to thanks some of the folk who helped immensely on this project. Especially in the engine management area. Those would be Mike Glover for designing, fabricating and making work the TWEECER! You da man! I hope I now have for sure the fastest tweecer in all the world. Anybody had theirs go faster for a timed mile? Then there was Clint Garrity, I use BE and EA to help me understand what is going on in the A9P and Tweecer. I need to chat with both of you off list because of this lack of data logging. I need to know how to prevent this from happening again. Never the less, without the both of you, this project wold have died in still birth. So, you have my undying thanks! And should we meet, beers is definitely on me! Supper too! I know there were a zillion folk who corresponded and helped and commented on the myriad questions I posed and to all of you, I also say many many thanks. I'll have more questions in the future, I promise you! Lastly but certainly not least, is Dan Nicoson. Dan has been kinda my silent partner and sounding board during all of this. He has kept me on the straight and narrow and driving in the right direction to get it done. One day I will be headed to Round Rock to take him and his wife to their favorite restaurant just as I did for the on site crew. One last guy... When I first started to make the engine run way back in 2005, a fellow by the name of Ernie Groce drove over from Las Vegas and showed me how to make the tweecer work and how to data log. Ernie now lives in the SLC area, but he is another of those that it wouldn't have worked without. Thanks, Ernie... So, to all unnamed folk, I thank you humbly. I would not have happened without you. mayf worlds fastest Sunbeam, 204.912 mph, 210.7 exit speed. From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Sat Sep 25 00:34:54 2010 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:34:54 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Passings In-Reply-To: <79E89F0FA255492CA528E9D4877F4764@GlenPC> References: <79E89F0FA255492CA528E9D4877F4764@GlenPC> Message-ID: <4C9D980E.4090508@wildblue.net> Growing up in So.Cal., in the '50's, he along with Ak Miller were my Heroes. Anyone who knew a Ford was a car, had heard of the Bean Bandits. Thanks Glenn, Bryan speedtimer at beyondbb.com wrote: > Another pioneer passed away today. Joaquin Arnett of the famous Bean Bandits > club of San Diego. He was also a lakes and Bonneville racer. > A long time friend. RIP & God Speed. > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/b.a.savage at wildblue.net From adin at frontier.net Sat Sep 25 07:24:13 2010 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 07:24:13 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - a couple of pics References: <4C963FCB.4080409@mayfco.com> Message-ID: some images of the good Dr. Mayfield on his way to being THE WORLD'S FASTEST SUNBEAM! http://images18.fotki.com/v60/photos/5/43175/9086764/Bonneville2010058-vi.jpg http://images9.fotki.com/v1617/photos/5/43175/9086764/Bonneville2010059-vi.jpg http://images50.fotki.com/v1529/photos/5/43175/9086764/Bonneville2010065-vi.jpg Congraturlations! David in Durango __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5478 (20100925) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From rbuck at xmission.com Sat Sep 25 07:31:17 2010 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 07:31:17 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - a couple of pics In-Reply-To: References: <4C963FCB.4080409@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Way ta go, Doc! And great fotos, David. Two thumbs up! r At 07:24 AM 9/25/2010, David in Durango wrote: >some images of the good Dr. Mayfield on his way to being THE WORLD'S >FASTEST SUNBEAM! > >http://images18.fotki.com/v60/photos/5/43175/9086764/Bonneville2010058-vi.jpg > >http://images9.fotki.com/v1617/photos/5/43175/9086764/Bonneville2010059-vi.jpg > >http://images50.fotki.com/v1529/photos/5/43175/9086764/Bonneville2010065-vi.jpg > >Congraturlations! > >David in Durango > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 5478 (20100925) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com >_______________________________________________ >Land-speed at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/rbuck at xmission.com From ol38y at yahoo.com Sat Sep 25 08:12:32 2010 From: ol38y at yahoo.com (Larry Cason) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 07:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Message-ID: <126449.4940.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mayf, Great read and congratulations!!! Larry From yesford at clear.net.nz Sat Sep 25 15:21:08 2010 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:21:08 +1300 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Flash Report.... In-Reply-To: <4C9574C2.3040707@mayfco.com> References: <4C9574C2.3040707@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <044C7E7416BC4DF499DBDF825CF7A0E2@ChrisHarrisPC> Dr Mayf, Your the Man, sincere congratulations, superb effort. Really enjoyed reading your progressive write-ups. Chris Harris.............NZed. From jimwebb at nutsracing.com Sun Sep 26 06:57:51 2010 From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 07:57:51 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam In-Reply-To: <4C9574C2.3040707@mayfco.com> References: <4C9574C2.3040707@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <6A7DA0B8C1F9469C9D833760DF3F0C9E@VAIO> Congratulations, Dr. Mayfield! This trip certainly won't get blurred into the generic Bonneville memories since you took the time to do such a great write up! Jim Webb Chock Full o' Nuts A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL From sparky.2211 at cox.net Sun Sep 26 08:04:26 2010 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:04:26 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] IS --no longer ---wantabe Message-ID: <20100926100426.XYIBV.1013582.imail@fed1rmwml4101> Mayf congratulations !!!!!!!!!! and thanks for the great Write UP enjoyed the read From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Sep 26 14:33:29 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:33:29 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Trailer Tires Message-ID: <4C9FAE19.6050606@mayfco.com> The trailer I use to tow the Sunbeam to and from the salt flats, has Maxis tires. Size is 225/75R15 Load range D. So far I have replaced 5 of the 7 tires that came with the trailer. And for sure they do not get much use. All have had tread separation right at the shoulder of the tire, ie the edge of the tread belt. I had two coming home from the salt this year. I am kinda tire of it and truth be told there are long stretches of highway in Nevada where help is a long way off. This happened to be noticed at the gas station in Ely, so I was able to secure two new ones. So I would like to hear from those who have very tough trailer tires. I also plan to maybe acquire 16 inch wheels if that will give me a better range of tires. At least load range E. Also, I understand why a trailer tire should not be used on a car or LT, but is it ok to use LT tires on the trailer? Seems to me it would be ok. And what about non Radial tires? I think the old bias belted tires might be better for a trailer? Comments? mayf From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Sun Sep 26 14:47:01 2010 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:47:01 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Trailer Tires In-Reply-To: <4C9FAE19.6050606@mayfco.com> References: <4C9FAE19.6050606@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Tire life is 5 to 6 years,probably less in the desert heat, I change my travel trailer tires every 4 years just to be safe. There has been much discussion on landracing.com regarding trailer tires \ Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:33 PM Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Trailer Tires > The trailer I use to tow the Sunbeam to and from the salt flats, has > Maxis tires. Size is 225/75R15 Load range D. So far I have replaced 5 of > the 7 tires that came with the trailer. And for sure they do not get much > use. All have had tread separation right at the shoulder of the tire, ie > the edge of the tread belt. I had two coming home from the salt this year. > I am kinda tire of it and truth be told there are long stretches of > highway in Nevada where help is a long way off. This happened to be > noticed at the gas station in Ely, so I was able to secure two new ones. > > So I would like to hear from those who have very tough trailer tires. I > also plan to maybe acquire 16 inch wheels if that will give me a better > range of tires. At least load range E. > > Also, I understand why a trailer tire should not be used on a car or LT, > but is it ok to use LT tires on the trailer? Seems to me it would be ok. > And what about non Radial tires? I think the old bias belted tires might > be better for a trailer? > > > Comments? > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/speedtimer at beyondbb.com From gmc6power at earthlink.net Sun Sep 26 16:56:14 2010 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 15:56:14 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Trailer Tires References: <4C9FAE19.6050606@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Not that this fix your problem but I encountered similar problems with 3 different brands of trailer tires and found these to be the toughest by far. My 20' enclosed trailer is only rated for #7000 but #10,000 gross tires failed within a year. I have found these are the highest rated that were avalable when I last purchased 2 years ago. Carlisle Radial-Trailer ST225/75 R15 LRE. Thay are rated at 2830 apiece making the total load 11,320 @ 80 psi so far no failures. I also carry 2 spares. http://www.carlisletire.com/products/trailer/radial_trail/index.html They have 16" available over #3000 each but I fit them on my trailer due to the diameter. If you are considering truck tires I have the best luch with old bias-ply 7:00 x 15's. Hard as hell and never wore out in 18 years on an open trailer; but it wasn't over loaded I also cover my tires to protect them from the sun and jack up the trailer so the tires do not touch the ground. (nice to have a fork lift at the plant) ........Good luck > > So I would like to hear from those who have very tough trailer tires. I > also plan to maybe acquire 16 inch wheels if that will give me a better > range of tires. At least load range E. I think the old bias belted tires > might be better for a trailer? From neil at dbelltech.com Sun Sep 26 18:18:09 2010 From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:18:09 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Trailer Tires In-Reply-To: <4C9FAE19.6050606@mayfco.com> References: <4C9FAE19.6050606@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <7237929935F7436C9C96A49AC2C33DFF@tiger> Mayf; This is interesting to me because I'll probably need to replace my trailer tires before towing up to Bonneville next year. What size trailer do you have and do you know the total weight of the trailer and its contents? Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry Mayfield" Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:33 PM To: ; Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Trailer Tires > The trailer I use to tow the Sunbeam to and from the salt flats, has > Maxis tires. Size is 225/75R15 Load range D. So far I have replaced 5 of > the 7 tires that came with the trailer. And for sure they do not get much > use. All have had tread separation right at the shoulder of the tire, ie > the edge of the tread belt. I had two coming home from the salt this year. > I am kinda tire of it and truth be told there are long stretches of > highway in Nevada where help is a long way off. This happened to be > noticed at the gas station in Ely, so I was able to secure two new ones. > > So I would like to hear from those who have very tough trailer tires. I > also plan to maybe acquire 16 inch wheels if that will give me a better > range of tires. At least load range E. > > Also, I understand why a trailer tire should not be used on a car or LT, > but is it ok to use LT tires on the trailer? Seems to me it would be ok. > And what about non Radial tires? I think the old bias belted tires might > be better for a trailer? > > > Comments? > > mayf From joyseydevil at comcast.net Sun Sep 26 23:32:36 2010 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 01:32:36 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Trailer Tires Message-ID: Mayf When this came up previously the guys talked about using light truck tires , new and used , and mentioned Carlisle 225-15 trailer tires with a 2900# rating . John Burk > The trailer I use to tow the Sunbeam to and from the salt flats, has > Maxis tires. Size is 225/75R15 Load range D. So far I have replaced 5 of > the 7 tires that came with the trailer. And for sure they do not get much > use. All have had tread separation right at the shoulder of the tire, ie > the edge of the tread belt. I had two coming home from the salt this year. > I am kinda tire of it and truth be told there are long stretches of > highway in Nevada where help is a long way off. This happened to be > noticed at the gas station in Ely, so I was able to secure two new ones. > > So I would like to hear from those who have very tough trailer tires. I > also plan to maybe acquire 16 inch wheels if that will give me a better > range of tires. At least load range E. > > Also, I understand why a trailer tire should not be used on a car or LT, > but is it ok to use LT tires on the trailer? Seems to me it would be ok. > And what about non Radial tires? I think the old bias belted tires might > be better for a trailer? From mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com Mon Sep 27 06:48:44 2010 From: mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (Meierle, Michael D (Mike)) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 07:48:44 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 4 & 5, Friday and Saturday In-Reply-To: <4C963FCB.4080409@mayfco.com> References: <4C963FCB.4080409@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Mayf, That Ferrari was an Enzo, Million dollar car, and IRRC was running in your same Class, at Speedweek and Spun at 188 MPH. You out ran them! So your Sunbeam is faster than a Ferrari! Mike Meierle #847 F/BMMP Gear Grinders/Sidewinders SCTA-BNI/ECTA ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:52 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 4 & 5, Friday and Saturday Basking in the glory... well, not really, lol. But I am proud of what we did. Friday was a lazy day with lots of schmoozing with everybody because we had previously been busy. Chatted with some Ferrari folk who had brought the wrecked and repaired one (which model was that?) . Their wheels cost more than my entire operation, lol. They jad a killer tow truck for the trailer. From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Sep 27 07:02:15 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 06:02:15 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 4 & 5, Friday and Saturday In-Reply-To: References: <4C963FCB.4080409@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <4CA095D7.7000507@mayfco.com> They were pitted just about 40 yards from us. we went over to look at he car and to chat. However, we were not good enough to talk to them. They were favored with lots of money and they literally runed up their noses when we menioned our Sunbeam. We wished them well and left. Snobs. More money than brains club members. mayf On 9/27/2010 5:48 AM, Meierle, Michael D (Mike) wrote: > Mayf, > That Ferrari was an Enzo, Million dollar car, and IRRC was running in your same Class, at Speedweek and Spun at 188 MPH. You out ran them! > > So your Sunbeam is faster than a Ferrari! > > > Mike Meierle > #847 F/BMMP > Gear Grinders/Sidewinders > SCTA-BNI/ECTA > ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder > -----Original Message----- > From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:52 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam - The Rest of the Story, Day 4& 5, Friday and Saturday > > Basking in the glory... well, not really, lol. But I am proud of what > we did. Friday was a lazy day with lots of schmoozing with everybody > because we had previously been busy. Chatted with some Ferrari folk who > had brought the wrecked and repaired one (which model was that?) . > Their wheels cost more than my entire operation, lol. They jad a killer > tow truck for the trailer. From jdincau at qnet.com Mon Sep 27 16:26:12 2010 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:26:12 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] A pair to draw to Message-ID: Nolan and Joaquin [demime removed a uuencoded section named Screen which was 6215 lines] From jdincau at qnet.com Mon Sep 27 16:42:32 2010 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:42:32 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] A pair to draw to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I forgot the list doesn't allow attachments, pity. From joyseydevil at comcast.net Mon Sep 27 21:56:12 2010 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 23:56:12 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Test Message-ID: Test From pookie at dslextreme.com Mon Sep 27 23:07:32 2010 From: pookie at dslextreme.com (pookie @dslextreme.com) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:07:32 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/27/10, John Burk wrote: > > Test got the test, it's working in hesperia, ca.. over&out mike r. > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/pookie at dslextreme.com From kturk at adelphia.net Tue Sep 28 03:28:36 2010 From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 04:28:36 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam Message-ID: <38895E0D94A64217A69D0B8AC9DCA7F1@KeithTurksPC> Just got home and read all these Mayf..... WOW... Over ten years of trying and finally you own the Fastest Sunbeam in the world..... Yayyyyyyyy K From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Tue Sep 28 11:01:47 2010 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:01:47 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Oiling Questions References: <4C8CF65E.1010102@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <005d01cb5f2e$d7139430$6401a8c0@Rick> Doc I just saw this old note and can offer that Peterson has an external pressure relief valve that I use on the Lakester/liner. When I had the latest and greatest Barnes 5 stage pump built, I did so without the internal regulator. I think this system provides a more consistent overall oil supply than with the internal bypass. It does add complexity, weight and the potential failure of hoses, but I really prefer to bypass to the tank and I'll take the hit for the other stuff. Rick From dwarner230 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 28 11:42:09 2010 From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam In-Reply-To: <38895E0D94A64217A69D0B8AC9DCA7F1@KeithTurksPC> Message-ID: <133290.82899.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mayf, Good job, thanks for stopping by the impound gate and giving me the good news. Next time pull right in. A side story - the Ferrari guys about crapped their pants when Scott Guthrie told them to ditch the carbon fiber under tray and replaced it with 1/2" steel plate. DW "Bonneville is not a bucket list item, its a life style." Allison Volk 2010 --- On Tue, 9/28/10, Keith Turk wrote: From: Keith Turk Subject: [Land-speed] Worlds Fastest Sunbeam To: land-speed at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 2:28 AM Just got home and read all these Mayf..... WOW... Over ten years of trying and finally you own the Fastest Sunbeam in the world..... Yayyyyyyyy K _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/dwarner230 at yahoo.com From ddahlgren at snet.net Tue Sep 28 12:02:38 2010 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:02:38 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Oiling Questions In-Reply-To: <005d01cb5f2e$d7139430$6401a8c0@Rick> References: <4C8CF65E.1010102@mayfco.com> <005d01cb5f2e$d7139430$6401a8c0@Rick> Message-ID: <3A6FA72F61AB4B49BCF7A3BB9936C101@DaveSatellite> When this came up before I am not sure if I sent a reply to all or not. If I did please excuse me repeating myself. I think the real key is to have the supplier help with the sizing of the stages and pump drive speed so that you are not bypassing a bunch of oil for no good reason. For the most part if you idle at around 40 psi and have 10 to 12 lbs per thousand rpm(70 to 84 psi at 7000 rpm) you are generally fine. The better pump builders have a pretty good clue as to the volume requirements for every popular engine built and if yours is off the wall it still is similar to something they know about. They can easily match the size of the pump stage and drive ratio to match what you want to do. Running too big a pump or too much drive speed has a lot of draw backs from wasting torque to putting crazy extra loads on the drive belt, brackets and crank snout. Sometimes it is smarter to the the guys who build the stuff help rather than add complexity to a basically simple system to solve a simple problem. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Byrnes" To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Oiling Questions > Doc > I just saw this old note and can offer that Peterson has an external > pressure relief valve that I use on the Lakester/liner. When I had the > latest and greatest Barnes 5 stage pump built, I did so without the > internal regulator. I think this system provides a more consistent > overall oil supply than with the internal bypass. It does add complexity, > weight and the potential failure of hoses, but I really prefer to bypass > to the tank and I'll take the hit for the other stuff. > > Rick From sparky.2211 at cox.net Tue Sep 28 20:22:28 2010 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:22:28 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville is not a bucket list item, its a life style." Allison Volk 2010 Message-ID: <20100928222228.4FHVM.1062032.imail@fed1rmwml31> Might be closer to an addiction!!!!!!!!!!! From mark at bradakis.com Tue Sep 28 21:21:59 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:21:59 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] A pair to draw to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CA2B0D7.4000407@bradakis.com> Jim Dincau wrote: > I forgot the list doesn't allow attachments, pity. > http://www.team.net/forums mjb. From jgmagoo at comcast.net Thu Sep 30 10:42:44 2010 From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Land-speed] World's Fastest Sunbeam>From JGMagoo Message-ID: <1085422078.325823.1285864964691.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Doc Mayfield, Congratulations on building and driving the World's Fastest Sunbeam!B It is trulyB inspiring to see a man state a goal and then achieve it through perseverance and incredible effort! Sir Henry Segrave would be very proud! (Outrunning an Enzo Ferrari by 16 MPH is waaayyy cool also!) ;o) JG Magoo From jgmagoo at comcast.net Thu Sep 30 10:46:47 2010 From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Land-speed] World's Fastest Sunbeam>From>Jim McNaul Message-ID: <1989202548.326078.1285865207397.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Doc Mayfield, Thanks for the great write-up on your World Of Speed Adventure with the World's Fastest Sunbeam. It was one of the best I have ever read! JG Magoo