From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Oct  2 16:21:12 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 16:21:12 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] World's Fastest Sunbeam>From JGMagoo
In-Reply-To: <1085422078.325823.1285864964691.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1085422078.325823.1285864964691.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4CA7B058.80904@bradakis.com>

> Sir Henry Segrave would be very proud!
>
>    

And what about Sir Malcolm Campbell?  If my memory is close to
correct, his first record was in a Sunbeam, circa 192?

mjb.

From adin at frontier.net  Sat Oct  2 16:49:59 2010
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:49:59 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] World's Fastest Sunbeam>From JGMagoo
References: <1085422078.325823.1285864964691.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<4CA7B058.80904@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <805BFD6B16C04F56BBE49453A22E1BA4@ZTxp>

1924/25?
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/world_land_speed_record_21.htm

146?





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] World's Fastest Sunbeam>From JGMagoo


>> Sir Henry Segrave would be very proud!
>>
>>
>
> And what about Sir Malcolm Campbell?  If my memory is close to
> correct, his first record was in a Sunbeam, circa 192?
>
> mjb.
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Oct  2 17:13:18 2010
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 17:13:18 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] World's Fastest Sunbeam>
References: <1085422078.325823.1285864964691.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><4CA7B058.80904@bradakis.com>
	<805BFD6B16C04F56BBE49453A22E1BA4@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <BA7968612DE4478CA0842DD7BA36BC6D@ZTxp>

As I remember, this is the Seagrave car . . .  V12!


http://images6.fotki.com/v90/photos/4/43175/147329/t03-vi.jpg

http://images6.fotki.com/v90/photos/4/43175/147329/t05-vi.jpg


sticker for the sunbeam
http://images29.fotki.com/v310/photos/4/43175/147329/DSCN4543-vi.jpg

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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sat Oct  2 20:58:22 2010
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 22:58:22 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] World's Fastest Sunbeam>
In-Reply-To: <BA7968612DE4478CA0842DD7BA36BC6D@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <20101002225822.62NGL.50770.imail@fed1rmwml4101>

Looks like it has some good Dunlop 32s" on it



---- David in Durango <adin at frontier.net> wrote: 
> As I remember, this is the Seagrave car . . .  V12!
> 
> 
> http://images6.fotki.com/v90/photos/4/43175/147329/t03-vi.jpg
> 
> http://images6.fotki.com/v90/photos/4/43175/147329/t05-vi.jpg
> 
> 
> sticker for the sunbeam
> http://images29.fotki.com/v310/photos/4/43175/147329/DSCN4543-vi.jpg
> 
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5498 (20101002) __________

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Sat Oct  2 21:19:13 2010
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 22:19:13 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] The Thrash is Over, The Drive Begins
Message-ID: <FAC3B648453548DBB821030E83C84836@VAIO>

Ok, so we spent the last week to ten days... no, make that two weeks (ok,
make it two months) thrashing to get the big red truck put back together and
ready for action. The die is cast. We leave tomorrow AM for the three day
drive to the salt with the AA motor in place and our sights set on at least
not blowing it all up on the first pass!

Everything looks good so far and the long drive is the only concern. John
Burk knows how far it is from here to there!

We sure look forward to seeing our die-hard salt racers in place for World
Finals and if there is any significant news about the salt, the weather, how
close the porta cans are to the 7 mile, etc., please call.

My cell is 979 215-1928 and my OnStar number (which has a crap load of
minutes I'll never use) is 979-943-4914. Feel free to call either number
even if you just want to chat about LSR, your personal weather, or why
you're going or not going to WF. I'm driving for three friggen days already!

 

Jim Webb

Chock Full o' Nuts

A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Oct  2 21:30:44 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 20:30:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] World's Fastest Sunbeam>
In-Reply-To: <BA7968612DE4478CA0842DD7BA36BC6D@ZTxp>
References: <1085422078.325823.1285864964691.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><4CA7B058.80904@bradakis.com>
	<805BFD6B16C04F56BBE49453A22E1BA4@ZTxp>
	<BA7968612DE4478CA0842DD7BA36BC6D@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <4CA7F8E4.4060606@mayfco.com>

Yes, this is the Sunbeam Tiger which had a record of around 46 as you 
say, It is not the Sunbeam Slug which set the very first record over 200 
mph.

Mayf
On 10/2/2010 4:13 PM, David in Durango wrote:
> As I remember, this is the Seagrave car . . .  V12!
>
>
> http://images6.fotki.com/v90/photos/4/43175/147329/t03-vi.jpg
>
> http://images6.fotki.com/v90/photos/4/43175/147329/t05-vi.jpg
>
>
> sticker for the sunbeam
> http://images29.fotki.com/v310/photos/4/43175/147329/DSCN4543-vi.jpg
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus 
> signature database 5498 (20101002) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
> http://www.eset.com
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From mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Sun Oct  3 07:22:25 2010
From: mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (Meierle, Michael D (Mike))
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:22:25 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] The Thrash is Over, The Drive Begins
Message-ID: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AC8F362E2@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>

Leaving Lincoln NE on the second day of the trip to the Salt. 

Mike M.
#847 F/BMMP

----- Original Message -----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net <land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net>
To: land-speed at autox.team.net <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat Oct 02 22:19:13 2010
Subject: [Land-speed] The Thrash is Over, The Drive Begins

Ok, so we spent the last week to ten days... no, make that two weeks (ok,
make it two months) thrashing to get the big red truck put back together and
ready for action. The die is cast. We leave tomorrow AM for the three day
drive to the salt with the AA motor in place and our sights set on at least
not blowing it all up on the first pass!

Everything looks good so far and the long drive is the only concern. John
Burk knows how far it is from here to there!

We sure look forward to seeing our die-hard salt racers in place for World
Finals and if there is any significant news about the salt, the weather, how
close the porta cans are to the 7 mile, etc., please call.

My cell is 979 215-1928 and my OnStar number (which has a crap load of
minutes I'll never use) is 979-943-4914. Feel free to call either number
even if you just want to chat about LSR, your personal weather, or why
you're going or not going to WF. I'm driving for three friggen days already!

 

Jim Webb

Chock Full o' Nuts

A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
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From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  8 21:02:57 2010
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 20:02:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Benn Karne
Message-ID: <45086.95850.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Benn. I lost your Email. Could you reply to me at V4GMR at yahoo.com ? Thank
you,  Rich Fox
 

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Tue Oct 12 21:56:55 2010
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:56:55 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Political Rant----Make Up Exam
Message-ID: <20101012235655.VSBY9.1267491.imail@fed1rmwml41>

2 years ago I posted about a National Political intillegence exam.  

WE THE PEOPLE flunked!

We have one last chance with a MAKE UP exam on November 2.  Please study hard!!!!!!!!!!

The future of OUR SHIIP OF STATE rest with our ballot choices!

Thanks for reading!

WM T SMITH '64

From bob at southmtpages.com  Tue Oct 12 22:38:27 2010
From: bob at southmtpages.com (Bob Clancy)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:38:27 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Political Rant----Make Up Exam
In-Reply-To: <20101012235655.VSBY9.1267491.imail@fed1rmwml41>
References: <20101012235655.VSBY9.1267491.imail@fed1rmwml41>
Message-ID: <4CB537C3.2060708@southmtpages.com>

Bob Clancy
South Mt. Web Design
San Pedro, NM
www.southmtpages.com


On 10/12/2010 9:56 PM, sparky.2211 at cox.net wrote:
> 2 years ago I posted about a National Political intillegence exam.
>
> WE THE PEOPLE flunked!
>
> We have one last chance with a MAKE UP exam on November 2.  Please study hard!!!!!!!!!!
>
> The future of OUR SHIIP OF STATE rest with our ballot choices!
>
> Thanks for reading!
>
> WM T SMITH '64
> _______________________________________________
> Land-speed at autox.team.net
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Oct 21 17:42:53 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:42:53 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
Message-ID: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com>

I have received nothing from any of the autox.team.net email lists...

ya'll getting anything?

mayf

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Oct 21 17:59:02 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:59:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
In-Reply-To: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com>
References: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <7E6E89C1BBF34503A4E7073E08F8676F@tiger>

Mayf;

It has been quiet as a tomb.

I've been meaning to ask everyone if they've ever measured the oil 
temperature of their tranny or rear end (suppress the smart remarks) after a 
run down the long course. I'm trying to decide whether I'll need an oil 
cooler or not for those.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 4:42 PM
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?

> I have received nothing from any of the autox.team.net email lists...
>
> ya'll getting anything?
>
> mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Oct 21 19:25:19 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:25:19 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
In-Reply-To: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com>
References: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4CC0E7FF.3000009@mayfco.com>

Well, turns out I had screwed up! Imagine that, lol... Way way back when 
I implemented my own domain name, I had put my youngest son on as a 
user. But because he was occasionally out of touch,  I would check his 
email for important stuff, like job offers,  I told the account to hang 
onto the email. Never thinking much about it, since I have a lot of hard 
drive space on their server, I never checked the server inbox. twas 
full... so now, it downloads and deletes immediately .... that problem I 
created should no longer exist.

Wonderful thing technology... takes a dumb assed human to screw it up, lol..

mayf

On 10/21/2010 4:42 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote:
> I have received nothing from any of the autox.team.net email lists...
>
> ya'll getting anything?
>
> mayf

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 21 19:35:43 2010
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:35:43 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
References: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <AD8DB0F8F86D444B867DFDEA92272C4A@mydf7618c59bbf>

me neither...anyone alive out there or did everything stop after WF...a 
great WF.......................JD
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 4:42 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?


>I have received nothing from any of the autox.team.net email lists...
>
> ya'll getting anything?
>
> mayf
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From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Thu Oct 21 19:36:18 2010
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:36:18 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
In-Reply-To: <7E6E89C1BBF34503A4E7073E08F8676F@tiger>
References: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com>
	<7E6E89C1BBF34503A4E7073E08F8676F@tiger>
Message-ID: <F5FA5C0E6A9F4A7FB4885425B99A4938@VAIO>

The list is dead. Long live the list! There have been no posts since 10/12.

I'm as guilty as anyone for not posting. Someday I'll write about how at
least my big red truck is faster than a Sunbeam. (Boy, that was a close
one!)
Also, I can write about how I foiled a film crew working over a Ferrari. A
Ferrari that was barely faster than a full grown American pickup truck. Oh
yeah... they had fuel. And blowers. And we didn't.
BwaaaaaHaaaaaHaaaaa

And Jon, where were the porta potties at the fast end of the long course at
WF?
 
Jim Webb
Chock Full o' Nuts
AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
 
-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Neil Albaugh
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:59 PM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com; land-speed at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?

Mayf;

It has been quiet as a tomb.

I've been meaning to ask everyone if they've ever measured the oil 
temperature of their tranny or rear end (suppress the smart remarks) after a

run down the long course. I'm trying to decide whether I'll need an oil 
cooler or not for those.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Oct 21 19:53:30 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:53:30 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
In-Reply-To: <4CC0E7FF.3000009@mayfco.com>
References: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com> <4CC0E7FF.3000009@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <5DF81522D0A74737BB5B9AF136E56690@tiger>

Yeah, the same thing happened to us two weeks ago, Mayf. Beaucoup deletions 
and we're back in business.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Larry Mayfield" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:25 PM
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Cc: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?

> Well, turns out I had screwed up! Imagine that, lol... Way way back when I 
> implemented my own domain name, I had put my youngest son on as a user. 
> But because he was occasionally out of touch,  I would check his email for 
> important stuff, like job offers,  I told the account to hang onto the 
> email. Never thinking much about it, since I have a lot of hard drive 
> space on their server, I never checked the server inbox. twas full... so 
> now, it downloads and deletes immediately .... that problem I created 
> should no longer exist.
>
> Wonderful thing technology... takes a dumb assed human to screw it up, 
> lol..
>
> mayf
>
> On 10/21/2010 4:42 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote:
>> I have received nothing from any of the autox.team.net email lists...
>>
>> ya'll getting anything?
>>
>> mayf
> _______________________________________________
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From rbuck at xmission.com  Thu Oct 21 20:03:40 2010
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:03:40 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Shootout 2010 posters available
Message-ID: <4CC0F0FC.6090504@xmission.com>

The 2010 Shootout posters are now available.

http://www.chevyasylum.com/posters/Shootout2010Poster07r8.jpg

They'll be printed on 20x30" glossy photo paper, heavier than standard 
poster paper.

Photos are arranged more or less by random except for the centerpiece, 
the reason for which should be obvious.  I've listed the top speeds, not 
the record speeds...again, for reasons that should be obvious.

This will be a limited edition.  I'll print 50 of them and they'll be 
signed (well, since rats can't write very well, they'll get a scrawled 
RtR) and numbered.  The price is $100 each, which, considering that's 
what I charged for last year's poster, is a screamin deal.  Shipping 
will be free to the US and Canada (even if Canada IS a pita to mail 
to/from.)

Email me, PM me, call me...whatever.  I'll get 'em out as soon as I get 
orders.

RtR

-- 
Sent from my Dreadnought with that useless Thunderbird email program (complete with new bugs)

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Thu Oct 21 21:17:51 2010
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 23:17:51 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
Message-ID: <79977EF1DA204ECB8880BA463B2E9F34@john>

Yours is the second in 2 weeks Mayf .
John


>I have received nothing from any of the autox.team.net email lists...
>
> ya'll getting anything?
>
> mayf
> _______________________________________________
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From rbuck at xmission.com  Thu Oct 21 21:58:26 2010
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 21:58:26 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
In-Reply-To: <F5FA5C0E6A9F4A7FB4885425B99A4938@VAIO>
References: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com>
	<7E6E89C1BBF34503A4E7073E08F8676F@tiger>
	<F5FA5C0E6A9F4A7FB4885425B99A4938@VAIO>
Message-ID: <4CC10BE2.4070409@xmission.com>

Way to go Jim. At least as far as that F-word thing is concerned.  There 
was sure a lotta hype about it...but I found it to be a little amusing, 
as, apparently did you, that a race-bred V12 with hairdryers and fuel 
only squeaked by a big ol billboard of a pickup truck...and still got 
creamed by a roadster than only ran to the 4 mile.  But, OMIGOD! did it 
ever sound good!!!  Two runs.  We don't need no steekin shakedown runs.  
We'll just go out and be the fastest roadster ever.

Ok.  Now we got posts.

RtR



On 10/21/2010 7:36 PM, Jim Webb wrote:
> The list is dead. Long live the list! There have been no posts since 10/12.
>
> I'm as guilty as anyone for not posting. Someday I'll write about how at
> least my big red truck is faster than a Sunbeam. (Boy, that was a close
> one!)
> Also, I can write about how I foiled a film crew working over a Ferrari. A
> Ferrari that was barely faster than a full grown American pickup truck. Oh
> yeah... they had fuel. And blowers. And we didn't.
> BwaaaaaHaaaaaHaaaaa
>
> And Jon, where were the porta potties at the fast end of the long course at
> WF?
>
> Jim Webb
> Chock Full o' Nuts
> AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Neil Albaugh
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:59 PM
> To: drmayf at mayfco.com; land-speed at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
>
> Mayf;
>
> It has been quiet as a tomb.
>
> I've been meaning to ask everyone if they've ever measured the oil
> temperature of their tranny or rear end (suppress the smart remarks) after a
>
> run down the long course. I'm trying to decide whether I'll need an oil
> cooler or not for those.
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
> _______________________________________________
> Land-speed at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Fri Oct 22 06:48:14 2010
From: mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (Meierle, Michael D (Mike))
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 07:48:14 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
In-Reply-To: <4CC10BE2.4070409@xmission.com>
References: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com>
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The F-"thing" also was beaten by a Sunbeam Tiger at WOS

Mike Meierle
#847 F/BMMP
Gear Grinders/Sidewinders
SCTA-BNI/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ray Buck
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:58 PM
To: jimwebb at nutsracing.com
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?

Way to go Jim. At least as far as that F-word thing is concerned.  There
was sure a lotta hype about it...but I found it to be a little amusing,
as, apparently did you, that a race-bred V12 with hairdryers and fuel
only squeaked by a big ol billboard of a pickup truck...and still got
creamed by a roadster than only ran to the 4 mile.  But, OMIGOD! did it
ever sound good!!!  Two runs.  We don't need no steekin shakedown runs.
We'll just go out and be the fastest roadster ever.

Ok.  Now we got posts.

RtR



On 10/21/2010 7:36 PM, Jim Webb wrote:
> The list is dead. Long live the list! There have been no posts since 10/12.
>
> I'm as guilty as anyone for not posting. Someday I'll write about how at
> least my big red truck is faster than a Sunbeam. (Boy, that was a close
> one!)
> Also, I can write about how I foiled a film crew working over a Ferrari. A
> Ferrari that was barely faster than a full grown American pickup truck. Oh
> yeah... they had fuel. And blowers. And we didn't.
> BwaaaaaHaaaaaHaaaaa
>
> And Jon, where were the porta potties at the fast end of the long course at
> WF?
>
> Jim Webb
> Chock Full o' Nuts
> AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Neil Albaugh
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:59 PM
> To: drmayf at mayfco.com; land-speed at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
>
> Mayf;
>
> It has been quiet as a tomb.
>
> I've been meaning to ask everyone if they've ever measured the oil
> temperature of their tranny or rear end (suppress the smart remarks) after
a
>
> run down the long course. I'm trying to decide whether I'll need an oil
> cooler or not for those.
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
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From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Fri Oct 22 07:13:54 2010
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 08:13:54 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
In-Reply-To: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AC9396020@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
References: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com><7E6E89C1BBF34503A4E7073E08F8676F@tiger><F5FA5C0E6A9F4A7FB4885425B99A4938@VAIO>
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We had a lot of fun with them in impound. I mean, heck we both had red race
cars, right? We ran AA/PP (NA, Gas) and they were running C/BFMS. I realized
they had only run 5 mph faster than the truck... They were filming some
documentary about their efforts and were interviewing the driver between the
two vehicles. I went to check the air in the rear tire when it hit me... I
yelled over to the crew, "Damn we were only 5 mph slower than a Ferrari!".
They moved their taping further away and restarted the interview.
Later, the F-thing owner/manager came over to warn us that they were going
to start up as he didn't want us to be surprised. Of course, it was so
quiet, it wouldn't have mattered. Later, I told him to stand by because were
going to _try_ to start. The Enzo sounded good, but the big rat motor
sounded so much more.....American!

Jim Webb
Chock Full o' Nuts
AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Meierle, Michael D (Mike) [mailto:mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 7:48 AM
To: Ray Buck; jimwebb at nutsracing.com
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?

The F-"thing" also was beaten by a Sunbeam Tiger at WOS

Mike Meierle
#847 F/BMMP
Gear Grinders/Sidewinders
SCTA-BNI/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Fri Oct 22 08:08:23 2010
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 07:08:23 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?
References: <4CC0CFFD.5060209@mayfco.com><7E6E89C1BBF34503A4E7073E08F8676F@tiger><F5FA5C0E6A9F4A7FB4885425B99A4938@VAIO><4CC10BE2.4070409@xmission.com><CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AC9396020@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
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Bring a Ferrari to the Salt and you'd better have pretty thick skin.  Here's 
a formula for those guys to make a successful run:
Find a big pickup truck that needs some extra ballast.  ....... Oh darn!! 
The classification rules probably won't allow streamlined loads in the 
pickup beds.
EW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Webb" <jimwebb at nutsracing.com>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Testing...this thing on?

> We had a lot of fun with them in impound. I mean, heck we both had red 
> race
> cars, right? .........
> Jim Webb
> Chock Full o' Nuts
> AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From Saltrat at pahrump.com  Mon Oct 25 10:50:27 2010
From: Saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:50:27 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
Message-ID: <20101025164938.1FFAE18766B@autox.team.net>

A nearly new Gen VI BBC is available. 572 cu in crate motor.

Skip

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 12:19:29 2010
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 11:19:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
In-Reply-To: <20101025164938.1FFAE18766B@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <430977.95639.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

So are a couple of 440 inch Ranger engines with fuel injection, Crower cams,
Vertex altered for use upright in a sprint car. Or so I was told. $300 in San
Diego. I always wanted one so I could call my car "The Lone Ranger" But I
guess I'm going to pass.

--- On Mon, 10/25/10, Skip Higginbotham <Saltrat at pahrump.com> wrote:


From: Skip Higginbotham <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:50 AM


A nearly new Gen VI BBC is available. 572 cu in crate motor.

Skip

From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon Oct 25 13:03:26 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:03:26 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
In-Reply-To: <430977.95639.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <430977.95639.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <639A38FB9C284F509F928BA8B31D2FB9@tiger>

Skip;

Are we talking Ranger/Fairchild or Ford Ranger? There was a aircraft engine 
"Ranger L-440" that was 440 CID.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:19 AM
To: "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
Cc: <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC

> So are a couple of 440 inch Ranger engines with fuel injection, Crower 
> cams,
> Vertex altered for use upright in a sprint car. Or so I was told. $300 in 
> San
> Diego. I always wanted one so I could call my car "The Lone Ranger" But I
> guess I'm going to pass.
>
> --- On Mon, 10/25/10, Skip Higginbotham <Saltrat at pahrump.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Skip Higginbotham <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
> Subject: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:50 AM
>
>
> A nearly new Gen VI BBC is available. 572 cu in crate motor.
>
> Skip

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Mon Oct 25 13:34:44 2010
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:34:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
In-Reply-To: <639A38FB9C284F509F928BA8B31D2FB9@tiger>
References: <430977.95639.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<639A38FB9C284F509F928BA8B31D2FB9@tiger>
Message-ID: <20101025193355.1619C187679@autox.team.net>

Neil, I don't know. I was referring to a BBC crate motor. Get ahold 
of Rich for the Ranger stuff. It looks like Ranger aircraft engines 
from the "upright" comment.

Skip




At 12:03 PM 10/25/2010, Neil Albaugh wrote:
>Skip;
>
>Are we talking Ranger/Fairchild or Ford Ranger? There was a aircraft 
>engine "Ranger L-440" that was 440 CID.
>
>Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:19 AM
>To: "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
>Cc: <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
>
>>So are a couple of 440 inch Ranger engines with fuel injection, Crower cams,
>>Vertex altered for use upright in a sprint car. Or so I was told. $300 in San
>>Diego. I always wanted one so I could call my car "The Lone Ranger" But I
>>guess I'm going to pass.
>>
>>--- On Mon, 10/25/10, Skip Higginbotham <Saltrat at pahrump.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>From: Skip Higginbotham <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
>>Subject: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
>>To: land-speed at autox.team.net
>>Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:50 AM
>>
>>
>>A nearly new Gen VI BBC is available. 572 cu in crate motor.
>>
>>Skip

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 25 15:43:41 2010
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:43:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
In-Reply-To: <639A38FB9C284F509F928BA8B31D2FB9@tiger>
Message-ID: <581818.98914.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Ranger aircraft and the price should be $3000. Still cheap but at $300 I would
buy them myself any day. Remember $3000 Three thousand. Not three hundred. My
mistake.

--- On Mon, 10/25/10, Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com> wrote:


From: Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
To: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>, "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
Cc: Land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 12:03 PM


Skip;

Are we talking Ranger/Fairchild or Ford Ranger? There was a aircraft engine
"Ranger L-440" that was 440 CID.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:19 AM
To: "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
Cc: <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC

> So are a couple of 440 inch Ranger engines with fuel injection, Crower
cams,
> Vertex altered for use upright in a sprint car. Or so I was told. $300 in
San
> Diego. I always wanted one so I could call my car "The Lone Ranger" But I
> guess I'm going to pass.
>
> --- On Mon, 10/25/10, Skip Higginbotham <Saltrat at pahrump.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Skip Higginbotham <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
> Subject: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:50 AM
>
>
> A nearly new Gen VI BBC is available. 572 cu in crate motor.
>
> Skip
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From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Mon Oct 25 16:16:23 2010
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:16:23 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
Message-ID: <B03FF213C99648A4A9BEA128438A2660@VAIO>

OK, so most of you (and now all of you) know that we run a Lenco in the Big
Red Truck. Specifically, it is an ST1200 five speed. I'm looking for anyone
with knowledge about lubrication in these things since apparently our
half-vast knowledge is not up to snuff with what we know. What we know is
that we have a constant problem with frying the front sprag. We've tried
many things, but rather than let all of those cats out of the bag, I'll wait
for the advice and questions to pour in.

TIA 

 

Jim Webb

Chock Full o' Nuts

AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon Oct 25 16:37:31 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:37:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
In-Reply-To: <581818.98914.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <581818.98914.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <61A4DF3E43E94A47A587ABC9AF3F31A9@tiger>

$3K....darn!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


From: Rich Fox
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 2:43 PM
To: Skip Higginbotham ; Neil Albaugh
Cc: Land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC


      Ranger aircraft and the price should be $3000. Still cheap but at $300 I
would buy them myself any day. Remember $3000 Three thousand. Not three
hundred. My mistake.

      --- On Mon, 10/25/10, Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com> wrote:


        From: Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com>
        Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
        To: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>, "Skip Higginbotham"
<Saltrat at pahrump.com>
        Cc: Land-speed at autox.team.net
        Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 12:03 PM


        Skip;

        Are we talking Ranger/Fairchild or Ford Ranger? There was a aircraft
engine "Ranger L-440" that was 440 CID.

        Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

        --------------------------------------------------
        From: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
        Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:19 AM
        To: "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
        Cc: <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
        Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC

        > So are a couple of 440 inch Ranger engines with fuel injection,
Crower cams,
        > Vertex altered for use upright in a sprint car. Or so I was told.
$300 in San
        > Diego. I always wanted one so I could call my car "The Lone Ranger"
But I
        > guess I'm going to pass.
        >
        > --- On Mon, 10/25/10, Skip Higginbotham <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
wrote:
        >
        >
        > From: Skip Higginbotham <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
        > Subject: [Land-speed] Gen VI BBC
        > To: land-speed at autox.team.net
        > Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 9:50 AM
        >
        >
        > A nearly new Gen VI BBC is available. 572 cu in crate motor.
        >
        > Skip
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Mon Oct 25 18:56:06 2010
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:56:06 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
In-Reply-To: <B03FF213C99648A4A9BEA128438A2660@VAIO>
References: <B03FF213C99648A4A9BEA128438A2660@VAIO>
Message-ID: <523E43CDA4EF454AB18EB04FFA29200B@GlenPC>

What does Lenco say, just wondering.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Webb" <jimwebb at nutsracing.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 4:16 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question


> OK, so most of you (and now all of you) know that we run a Lenco in the 
> Big
> Red Truck. Specifically, it is an ST1200 five speed. I'm looking for 
> anyone
> with knowledge about lubrication in these things since apparently our
> half-vast knowledge is not up to snuff with what we know. What we know is
> that we have a constant problem with frying the front sprag. We've tried
> many things, but rather than let all of those cats out of the bag, I'll 
> wait
> for the advice and questions to pour in.
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> Jim Webb
>
> Chock Full o' Nuts
>
> AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
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From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Mon Oct 25 21:23:59 2010
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:23:59 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question Part two
Message-ID: <F58A663F7CF54C50BF60341554D6AE23@VAIO>

Half-vast knowledge.

 

Get it? Half-Vast.

 

Say it slowly.

 

Some of you need to say it out loud to your wives.

 

Oh, never mind.

 

Jim Webb

Chock Full o' Nuts

AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Mon Oct 25 23:25:31 2010
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:25:31 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Top Gear on 60 Minutes
References: <4CC6483D.6000506@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <3E3A58EA-BC08-4415-973A-FC18CCE1EC41@comcast.net>

For those, like me, who missed this episode last Sunday.

Wes

Begin forwarded message:

> From: L Boss
> Date: October 25, 2010 9:17:17 PM MDT
> To: Wester Potter
> Subject: Top Gear on 60 Minutes
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6987703n&tag=mncol;lst;1
<http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6987703n&tag=mncol;lst;1>

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Tue Oct 26 09:29:07 2010
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 08:29:07 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
In-Reply-To: <523E43CDA4EF454AB18EB04FFA29200B@GlenPC>
References: <B03FF213C99648A4A9BEA128438A2660@VAIO>
	<523E43CDA4EF454AB18EB04FFA29200B@GlenPC>
Message-ID: <4CC6F3C3.7050300@wildblue.net>

When you talk to Lenco, ask if a ZDDP additive would help.

Also, make sure they understand that you are running at Bonneville. 
Bonneville has totally
different requirements than 1/4 mile.

I've spent a lot of time on the salt picking the best drag racing parts 
money can buy.

Good luck,
Bryan


speedtimer at beyondbb.com wrote:
> What does Lenco say, just wondering.
> Glen
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Webb" <jimwebb at nutsracing.com>
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 4:16 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
>
>
>> OK, so most of you (and now all of you) know that we run a Lenco in 
>> the Big
>> Red Truck. Specifically, it is an ST1200 five speed. I'm looking for 
>> anyone
>> with knowledge about lubrication in these things since apparently our
>> half-vast knowledge is not up to snuff with what we know. What we 
>> know is
>> that we have a constant problem with frying the front sprag. We've tried
>> many things, but rather than let all of those cats out of the bag, 
>> I'll wait
>> for the advice and questions to pour in.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Webb
>>
>> Chock Full o' Nuts
>>
>> AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
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From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Tue Oct 26 10:01:25 2010
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:01:25 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
In-Reply-To: <4CC6F3C3.7050300@wildblue.net>
References: <B03FF213C99648A4A9BEA128438A2660@VAIO><523E43CDA4EF454AB18EB04FFA29200B@GlenPC>
	<4CC6F3C3.7050300@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <D4EC03196B664339A653040E04328931@VAIO>

I think Lenco has been very helpful along the way and I've made it clear to
them that this Bonneville and the unit is in a big heavy truck. As for
lubrication, the recommended stuff is ATF. They recommend 3/4 qt for each
stage and 1/2 qt for the reverser. I can tell you that is not enough. For WF
this year, we put about 7 qts in which is about 3/4 full. A vent line was
added from the first stage into a catch can. Looked like it puked about a qt
during a pass. Also, this sprag is hurt, but not destroyed as in previous
years when we ran the recommended volume, so lubrication does seem to be the
problem/solution.
In my last conversation with Lenco, they suggested maybe using 30W
non-synthetic motor oil, but it seemed like that was pretty much a guess. An
old drag racer suggested using motorcycle primary oil.
Which ZDDP additive would you recommend?

Jim Webb
Chock Full o' Nuts
AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
 

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Savage
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:29 AM
To: List Land Speed
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Lenco Question

When you talk to Lenco, ask if a ZDDP additive would help.

Also, make sure they understand that you are running at Bonneville. 
Bonneville has totally
different requirements than 1/4 mile.

I've spent a lot of time on the salt picking the best drag racing parts 
money can buy.

Good luck,
Bryan


speedtimer at beyondbb.com wrote:
> What does Lenco say, just wondering.
> Glen

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Tue Oct 26 11:07:07 2010
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:07:07 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
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What about micro polishing to reduce friction and that will reduce heat or 
an oil tank and cooler basically dry sumping the transmission. If you just 
overfill it you will no doubt foam the oil. Why not a synthetic lubricant 
that will not break down with heat. This whole thing smells of oil break 
down from heat and friction.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Webb" <jimwebb at nutsracing.com>
To: "'Bryan Savage'" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>; "'List Land Speed'" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Lenco Question


>I think Lenco has been very helpful along the way and I've made it clear to
> them that this Bonneville and the unit is in a big heavy truck. As for
> lubrication, the recommended stuff is ATF. They recommend 3/4 qt for each
> stage and 1/2 qt for the reverser. I can tell you that is not enough. For 
> WF
> this year, we put about 7 qts in which is about 3/4 full. A vent line was
> added from the first stage into a catch can. Looked like it puked about a 
> qt
> during a pass. Also, this sprag is hurt, but not destroyed as in previous
> years when we ran the recommended volume, so lubrication does seem to be 
> the
> problem/solution.
> In my last conversation with Lenco, they suggested maybe using 30W
> non-synthetic motor oil, but it seemed like that was pretty much a guess. 
> An
> old drag racer suggested using motorcycle primary oil.
> Which ZDDP additive would you recommend?
>
> Jim Webb
> Chock Full o' Nuts
> AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From saltfever at comcast.net  Tue Oct 26 12:56:48 2010
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:56:48 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco question
Message-ID: <007EBE92CE59443B9A78423605462A54@dim8100>

I have used GM's Engine Oil Supplement (EOS) for years on all flat tappet
cam installs. Always with good success. EOS seems to have less zinc than
others advertise nowadays but so far it has worked well. Redline also makes
a zinc supplement.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Jim Webb" <jimwebb at nutsracing.com>

(Edit. .  .)  Which ZDDP additive would you recommend?

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue Oct 26 13:33:35 2010
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:33:35 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Underground Racing Lamborghini crashes at Texas
 Mile, driver survives
In-Reply-To: <5DA336EB4DFF4AD9BD104F3FF595008D@howard4ba5f1af>
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Howard

Did you notice the front end float ( porposing) when going through the gears,
It also appears the chute tow line is short and the chute flying high probably
lifting the back of the car and the nose dipping due to soft front suspension.
Sure would like to see a front view and a close up video. Might answer a few
questions. The main thing is he is ok.

Glen
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Howard Nafzger
  To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
  Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:14 PM
  Subject: Underground Racing Lamborghini crashes at Texas Mile, driver
survives


  OOPS!

  http://www.autoweek.com/article/20101026/CARNEWS/101029927

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Tue Oct 26 19:49:01 2010
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:49:01 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
In-Reply-To: <D4EC03196B664339A653040E04328931@VAIO>
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Jim,   Just a few more thoughts,,

What a gear box needs for protection, not counting long term storage, 
rust, etc., is basically three things.
1) A good basic lubricant.
2) A coolant.
3) A method of preventing metal to metal contact when extreme pressure 
exceeds the lubricants capabilities.

For these jobs, I would select;
1) Synthetic oil (the real stuff, a group 4 base oil) oil.
2) A thin oil.
3) An oil with maximum levels of ZDDP and/or  an oil with ZDDP added.

I'd also look at the possibility of using a Molly additive by checking 
with a company that supplies industrial
gearbox lubricants. My dad started using a gearbox oil that had Molly in 
it and it made the gears in his printing
presses last five times longer.

I hope you find some combination that works.

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Tue Oct 26 20:02:10 2010
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 19:02:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
In-Reply-To: <9A245CD934CE4587994854085CFDAE4C@DaveSatellite>
References: <B03FF213C99648A4A9BEA128438A2660@VAIO><523E43CDA4EF454AB18EB04FFA29200B@GlenPC><4CC6F3C3.7050300@wildblue.net>
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I think you are right on target Dave.
I'd like to send an oil sample to Blackstone Labs to see if the oil has 
been heat stressed.
Bryan

ddahlgren wrote:
> What about micro polishing to reduce friction and that will reduce 
> heat or an oil tank and cooler basically dry sumping the transmission. 
> If you just overfill it you will no doubt foam the oil. Why not a 
> synthetic lubricant that will not break down with heat. This whole 
> thing smells of oil break down from heat and friction.
> Dave

From neil at dbelltech.com  Tue Oct 26 20:00:23 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 19:00:23 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
In-Reply-To: <4CC7850D.2080507@wildblue.net>
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	<4CC7850D.2080507@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <A671E66F5E2C45EB9EAE7244D366D80B@tiger>

Jim;

I'll second what Bryan said. I've used synthetic gear lube in a transaxle 
but I also added a couple of tablespoonfuls of a molybdenum disulfide powder 
made by Dow Corning. Works great.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:49 PM
To: "List Land Speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Lenco Question

> Jim,   Just a few more thoughts,,
>
> What a gear box needs for protection, not counting long term storage, 
> rust, etc., is basically three things.
> 1) A good basic lubricant.
> 2) A coolant.
> 3) A method of preventing metal to metal contact when extreme pressure 
> exceeds the lubricants capabilities.
>
> For these jobs, I would select;
> 1) Synthetic oil (the real stuff, a group 4 base oil) oil.
> 2) A thin oil.
> 3) An oil with maximum levels of ZDDP and/or  an oil with ZDDP added.
>
> I'd also look at the possibility of using a Molly additive by checking 
> with a company that supplies industrial
> gearbox lubricants. My dad started using a gearbox oil that had Molly in 
> it and it made the gears in his printing
> presses last five times longer.
>
> I hope you find some combination that works.
> _______________________________________________

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Oct 26 22:25:02 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:25:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
In-Reply-To: <9A245CD934CE4587994854085CFDAE4C@DaveSatellite>
References: <B03FF213C99648A4A9BEA128438A2660@VAIO><523E43CDA4EF454AB18EB04FFA29200B@GlenPC><4CC6F3C3.7050300@wildblue.net>
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	<9A245CD934CE4587994854085CFDAE4C@DaveSatellite>
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I was just looking at the Lenco tranny site. Their trans have clutch 
packs for each  gear. And a sprag in each gear sectio as well.  At least 
that is what it looks like to me. Seems to me that you would not want to 
modify the fluid too far from what they recommend. This is basically an 
automatic trans just run manually.  They also have several sprags sizes 
and perhaps the sprag that seems to be failing is insufficient to do the 
job?  Not sure how the fluid gets moved around inside but shuting the 
motor off at speed might be a sure way to kill the sparg(s) also.   
Especially if one is running a really tall rear gear.  Not sure what 
version of trans this is, CS1, CS2, Cs3 etc but they all function very 
similarly.

mayf

On 10/26/2010 10:07 AM, ddahlgren wrote:
> What about micro polishing to reduce friction and that will reduce 
> heat or an oil tank and cooler basically dry sumping the transmission. 
> If you just overfill it you will no doubt foam the oil. Why not a 
> synthetic lubricant that will not break down with heat. This whole 
> thing smells of oil break down from heat and friction.
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Webb" <jimwebb at nutsracing.com>
> To: "'Bryan Savage'" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>; "'List Land Speed'" 
> <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
>
>
>> I think Lenco has been very helpful along the way and I've made it 
>> clear to
>> them that this Bonneville and the unit is in a big heavy truck. As for
>> lubrication, the recommended stuff is ATF. They recommend 3/4 qt for 
>> each
>> stage and 1/2 qt for the reverser. I can tell you that is not enough. 
>> For WF
>> this year, we put about 7 qts in which is about 3/4 full. A vent line 
>> was
>> added from the first stage into a catch can. Looked like it puked 
>> about a qt
>> during a pass. Also, this sprag is hurt, but not destroyed as in 
>> previous
>> years when we ran the recommended volume, so lubrication does seem to 
>> be the
>> problem/solution.
>> In my last conversation with Lenco, they suggested maybe using 30W
>> non-synthetic motor oil, but it seemed like that was pretty much a 
>> guess. An
>> old drag racer suggested using motorcycle primary oil.
>> Which ZDDP additive would you recommend?
>>
>> Jim Webb
>> Chock Full o' Nuts
>> AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Oct 27 10:30:42 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:30:42 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
In-Reply-To: <9A245CD934CE4587994854085CFDAE4C@DaveSatellite>
References: <B03FF213C99648A4A9BEA128438A2660@VAIO><523E43CDA4EF454AB18EB04FFA29200B@GlenPC><4CC6F3C3.7050300@wildblue.net>
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	<9A245CD934CE4587994854085CFDAE4C@DaveSatellite>
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I was just looking at the Lenco tranny site. Their trans have clutch 
packs for each  gear. And a sprag in each gear sectio as well.  At least 
that is what it looks like to me. Seems to me that you would not want to 
modify the fluid too far from what they recommend. This is basically an 
automatic trans just run manually.  They also have several sprags sizes 
and perhaps the sprag that seems to be failing is insufficient to do the 
job?  Not sure how the fluid gets moved around inside but shuting the 
motor off at speed might be a sure way to kill the sparg(s) also. 
Especially if one is running a really tall rear gear.  Not sure what 
version of trans this is, CS1, CS2, Cs3 etc but they all function very 
similarly.

mayf

On 10/26/2010 10:07 AM, ddahlgren wrote:
> What about micro polishing to reduce friction and that will reduce
> heat or an oil tank and cooler basically dry sumping the transmission.
> If you just overfill it you will no doubt foam the oil. Why not a
> synthetic lubricant that will not break down with heat. This whole
> thing smells of oil break down from heat and friction.
> Dave
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Webb" <jimwebb at nutsracing.com>
> To: "'Bryan Savage'" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>; "'List Land Speed'"
> <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
>
>
>> I think Lenco has been very helpful along the way and I've made it
>> clear to
>> them that this Bonneville and the unit is in a big heavy truck. As for
>> lubrication, the recommended stuff is ATF. They recommend 3/4 qt for
>> each
>> stage and 1/2 qt for the reverser. I can tell you that is not enough.
>> For WF
>> this year, we put about 7 qts in which is about 3/4 full. A vent line
>> was
>> added from the first stage into a catch can. Looked like it puked
>> about a qt
>> during a pass. Also, this sprag is hurt, but not destroyed as in
>> previous
>> years when we ran the recommended volume, so lubrication does seem to
>> be the
>> problem/solution.
>> In my last conversation with Lenco, they suggested maybe using 30W
>> non-synthetic motor oil, but it seemed like that was pretty much a
>> guess. An
>> old drag racer suggested using motorcycle primary oil.
>> Which ZDDP additive would you recommend?
>>
>> Jim Webb
>> Chock Full o' Nuts
>> AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
> _______________________________________________

From don_ell at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 27 10:42:53 2010
From: don_ell at hotmail.com (Don)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:42:53 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
In-Reply-To: <4CC853B2.1080801@mayfco.com>
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	<D4EC03196B664339A653040E04328931@VAIO>,
	<9A245CD934CE4587994854085CFDAE4C@DaveSatellite>,
	<4CC853B2.1080801@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <COL103-W61E682ED48624DBDC5570890430@phx.gbl>

What is the angle on your trans? Is it level?


> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 09:30:42 -0700
> From: drmayf at mayfco.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
>
> I was just looking at the Lenco tranny site. Their trans have clutch
> packs for each gear. And a sprag in each gear sectio as well. At least
> that is what it looks like to me. Seems to me that you would not want to
> modify the fluid too far from what they recommend. This is basically an
> automatic trans just run manually. They also have several sprags sizes
> and perhaps the sprag that seems to be failing is insufficient to do the
> job? Not sure how the fluid gets moved around inside but shuting the
> motor off at speed might be a sure way to kill the sparg(s) also.
> Especially if one is running a really tall rear gear. Not sure what
> version of trans this is, CS1, CS2, Cs3 etc but they all function very
> similarly.
>
> mayf
>
> On 10/26/2010 10:07 AM, ddahlgren wrote:
> > What about micro polishing to reduce friction and that will reduce
> > heat or an oil tank and cooler basically dry sumping the transmission.
> > If you just overfill it you will no doubt foam the oil. Why not a
> > synthetic lubricant that will not break down with heat. This whole
> > thing smells of oil break down from heat and friction.
> > Dave
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Webb" <jimwebb at nutsracing.com>
> > To: "'Bryan Savage'" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>; "'List Land Speed'"
> > <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Lenco Question
> >
> >
> >> I think Lenco has been very helpful along the way and I've made it
> >> clear to
> >> them that this Bonneville and the unit is in a big heavy truck. As for
> >> lubrication, the recommended stuff is ATF. They recommend 3/4 qt for
> >> each
> >> stage and 1/2 qt for the reverser. I can tell you that is not enough.
> >> For WF
> >> this year, we put about 7 qts in which is about 3/4 full. A vent line
> >> was
> >> added from the first stage into a catch can. Looked like it puked
> >> about a qt
> >> during a pass. Also, this sprag is hurt, but not destroyed as in
> >> previous
> >> years when we ran the recommended volume, so lubrication does seem to
> >> be the
> >> problem/solution.
> >> In my last conversation with Lenco, they suggested maybe using 30W
> >> non-synthetic motor oil, but it seemed like that was pretty much a
> >> guess. An
> >> old drag racer suggested using motorcycle primary oil.
> >> Which ZDDP additive would you recommend?
> >>
> >> Jim Webb
> >> Chock Full o' Nuts
> >> AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
> > _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Wed Oct 27 11:33:26 2010
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:33:26 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] More Lenco Stuff
Message-ID: <6D5F9E7B71164E429EBD929DDCD76E3C@VAIO>

Thanks to all for the questions, suggestions, etc.

 

To Don, the trans is about as close to level as possible. We spent a lot of
time over the winter getting the drive train level and in line. In past
years, it was lower in the rear. Combine that with running the recommended
amount of fluid and the effect of acceleration and I think we were always
starving the front section.

 

To Mayf, this is an ST-1200, but you are right, they all function about the
same. The front sprag works the hardest as it is locked up at the first to
second shift and has to take the abuse of the rest of the run. The clutch
pack in the last section slips the longest as they are the last to engage in
the 4-5 shift. There was evidence of excessive heat in the last stage clutch
pack.

 

To Neil and Bryan re additives and fluids. this is the trickiest issue of
all since the clutch packs need to be able to lock up (which would support
ATF), but the rest of the business could benefit from a light synthetic
motor oil with an additive package. I'll talk to Lenco again about that, but
after the last sprag, they recommended 30W dino oil, but the recommendation
was half hearted. As in, "Well, I guess you could try." I kinda think we're
the guinea pigs here. I had also asked them about pumps and circulation and
they said some had tried them, but the added complexity didn't seem to help
much.

 

To Bryan and Dave, by running lots more ATF than they recommended and have
some end up in the catch can, it indicated to me that the trans makes lots
of heat (no surprise there). Also, the vent line is out of the top of the
first stage, so the first stage should have been pretty full to be able to
puke some fluid. Also, this sprag had damage, but wasn't burned to death as
has happened in previous years. While we could 'dry sump' the transmission,
it might be worse since there is no oiling system other than parts just
splashing around and study as much as we have, there is no practical way to
build a pressurized oiling system.

A sponsor that helped us a lot this year has an additive that reduces
friction a lot. The typical use is in motor oil, but it has been used
successfully in transmissions and gearboxes, although I can't say for sure
that includes automatics. We may soak the sprag in the additive prior to
assembly.

Also, the ATF we've always used is the Mobil 1 synthetic. Which would be
better to carry the heat away, Mobil 1 ATF or a light motor oil? Are the
ZDDP additives compatible with or useful with ATF?

 

Jim Webb

Chock Full o' Nuts

AA/PP A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Wed Oct 27 13:45:09 2010
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:45:09 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] More Lenco Stuff
In-Reply-To: <6D5F9E7B71164E429EBD929DDCD76E3C@VAIO>
References: <6D5F9E7B71164E429EBD929DDCD76E3C@VAIO>
Message-ID: <4CC88145.3020405@wildblue.net>

Good questions Jim.

ZDDP is used in large quantities in Mobile1 MX4T, an oil designed for 
use in
Racing motorcycles. They have wet clutches which work just great because 
ZDDP
is not a friction reducer, it modifies the metal surfaces when metal to 
metal contact
occurs, thereby preventing or reducing galling.
I don't know for a fact, but I believe ZDDP would work without problems in
Mobil1 ATF.

I haven't studied exactly how Molly additives work so I can't suggest 
anything other
than doing some research.  Hmmm. An interesting question here.

Please let me know if you come up with some answers.

Bryan

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Oct 29 14:54:18 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:54:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Windscreens and fairings....
Message-ID: <4CCB347A.1030001@mayfco.com>

Since the season for salt is over, let me see if I can create some 
discussion regarding the Sunbeam.  As most of you know, I sit reasonably 
high up in the car.  This is because I purchased a set way back when and 
forgot to include the side bars on the roll cage. Hence It has to sit up 
some to clear some items.  I started fabricating a seat which lets me 
sit almost directly on the floor. When I had enough of it tacked 
together I put in in the car and donned all the garb and got in and out 
of the car. Of course the Roll cage had not been lowered so, yeah it was 
easy, lol.  But,  I only gained a drop in seat height of about 5 
inches.  I deemed this not enough to wrestle with the hassle of lowering 
teh roll cage.  So, I have been looking at  some kind of taller and 
better wind screen/fairing. When I look at eh rule on fairings for the 
roll cage they say that they cannot be wider than the roll cage at any 
point of the cage. Yet, when I look at the SW program I see lots of 
roadsters with roll cage fairing outside teh roll cage. Many of them are 
really tall leaving only a small portion of the roll cage protruding.  
Some even have the fairing extending behind the roll cage for some 
distance. I am guessing that these are "headrest fairings" but they 
don't seem to me to meet the spirit of wording of the rule.  A good 
example of what I am using for reference is shown in the program, page 
33 bottom of the page,m  vehicle 627.

So, a couple of questions....
1. Should I go ahead with lowering the seat to give me the least 
exposure to wind in my face
2. Should I then or in lieu of fab up a wind screen and fairing  to 
shield my face and the side of the cage? Same s that referenced above?


many thanks,

mayf
with the no longer wannabe Sunbeam

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 30 09:53:12 2010
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 08:53:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Windscreens and fairings....
In-Reply-To: <4CCB347A.1030001@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <919075.56395.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

1. Yes
2. Wait until the 2011 is finialized.
 
DW
"Bonneville is not a bucket list item, its a life style." Allison Volk 2010


 
--- On Fri, 10/29/10, Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:


From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Windscreens and fairings....
To: "land-speed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 1:54 PM


Since the season for salt is over, let me see if I can create some discussion
regarding the Sunbeam.  As most of you know, I sit reasonably high up in the
car.  This is because I purchased a set way back when and forgot to include
the side bars on the roll cage. Hence It has to sit up some to clear some
items.  I started fabricating a seat which lets me sit almost directly on the
floor. When I had enough of it tacked together I put in in the car and donned
all the garb and got in and out of the car. Of course the Roll cage had not
been lowered so, yeah it was easy, lol.  But,  I only gained a drop in seat
height of about 5 inches.  I deemed this not enough to wrestle with the hassle
of lowering teh roll cage.  So, I have been looking at  some kind of taller
and better wind screen/fairing. When I look at eh rule on fairings for the
roll cage they say that they cannot be wider than the roll cage at any point
of the cage. Yet, when I look at the SW
 program I see lots of roadsters with roll cage fairing outside teh roll cage.
Many of them are really tall leaving only a small portion of the roll cage
protruding.  Some even have the fairing extending behind the roll cage for
some distance. I am guessing that these are "headrest fairings" but they don't
seem to me to meet the spirit of wording of the rule.  A good example of what
I am using for reference is shown in the program, page 33 bottom of the
page,m  vehicle 627.

So, a couple of questions....
1. Should I go ahead with lowering the seat to give me the least exposure to
wind in my face
2. Should I then or in lieu of fab up a wind screen and fairing  to shield my
face and the side of the cage? Same s that referenced above?


many thanks,

mayf
with the no longer wannabe Sunbeam
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