From wester6935 at comcast.net Thu Jun 3 00:23:43 2010 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 00:23:43 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Another car brand bites the dust Message-ID: <16A3BEB9-6215-45A4-8768-8582C8DA0ECB@comcast.net> Remember this? "Hop up a Ford V8? Just put in a Mercury crank for starters". From wester6935 at comcast.net Thu Jun 3 05:08:51 2010 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:08:51 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Another car brand bites the dust References: <16A3BEB9-6215-45A4-8768-8582C8DA0ECB@comcast.net> Message-ID: <25892AE9-76E7-498F-853C-34A35D58B035@comcast.net> http://www.freep.com/article/20100603/BUSINESS01/6030375/Mercury-dealers-to-t ake-hit Begin forwarded message: > From: Wester Potter > Date: June 3, 2010 12:23:43 AM MDT > To: LAND SPEED LIST > Subject: [Land-speed] Another car brand bites the dust > > Remember this? "Hop up a Ford V8? Just put in a Mercury crank for > starters". > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/wester6935 at comcast.net From gary_ellen at msn.com Thu Jun 3 09:50:34 2010 From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:50:34 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Mormon Meteor III Documentary Message-ID: I thought the group may be interested in this announcement and may perhaps be able to help? Ellen ......... We would like to inform all Salt Flats enthusiasts that we are in Post Production of our feature length documentary on Ab Jenkins and the Mormon Meteor III. People can visit the Price Museum of Speed website for more information and we have a Facebook page named Meteor III Ab Jenkins Documentary We are currently looking for anyone that knew Ab Jenkins or that might have memorabilia, old motion picture films, etc. During the editing process, we want to make sure we don't miss anything important. Anyone can contact Curt Wallin at curtwallin at mac.com. Thanks, Curt Wallin Producer/Director Meteor III Documentary 801-652-3009 curtwallin at mac.com From advo53 at gmail.com Fri Jun 4 08:10:30 2010 From: advo53 at gmail.com (greg meyers) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:10:30 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Inspectors to check engine displacement Message-ID: We'd like to have an inspector certify our displacement. Any chance there is someone in Indiana,Illinois, Wisconsin or Minnesota? Could Bill Taylor watch someone else do it and verify the numbers? Thanks Greg Meyers 320-282-4577 From mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com Fri Jun 4 09:03:08 2010 From: mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (Meierle, Michael D (Mike)) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:03:08 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Inspectors to check engine displacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't have to worry about that until you set a record...:-) Mike Meierle Sr. Systems Engineer Alcatel-Lucent 7751 Windsor Drive Dublin, OH 43016 (614) 284-6229 -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of greg meyers Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:11 AM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] Inspectors to check engine displacement We'd like to have an inspector certify our displacement. Any chance there is someone in Indiana,Illinois, Wisconsin or Minnesota? Could Bill Taylor watch someone else do it and verify the numbers? Thanks Greg Meyers 320-282-4577 _______________________________________________ From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org Fri Jun 4 09:11:00 2010 From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:11:00 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Inspectors to check engine displacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <122DC1D1-6491-438C-B6B4-361D39DB3EFA@nancyandjon.org> On Jun 4, 2010, at 10:10 AM, greg meyers wrote: > We'd like to have an inspector certify our displacement. Any chance there > is someone in Indiana,Illinois, Wisconsin or Minnesota? Could Bill Taylor > watch someone else do it and verify the numbers? > Thanks > Greg Meyers > 320-282-4577 > ____ Greg: Are you talking SCTA or Bub's? Are you talking car-type engine or motorcycle engine? If bike/Bub's -- there's Drew, the guy that does the measuring at the Bub's event -- and he's in northern Indiana. I don't know if there's an SCTA guy in your neighborhood. Jon a/k/a Seldom Seen Slim From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org Fri Jun 4 09:43:03 2010 From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:43:03 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Inspectors to check engine displacement In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <5151F9F4-D551-4157-B304-184FBD0375A9@nancyandjon.org> On Jun 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Meierle, Michael D (Mike) wrote: > Don't have to worry about that until you set a record...:-) > > Mike Well, yes, you're technically correct, Mike -- but I can sure see reasons why it'd be nice to do it ahead of time - and have the engine sealed. Like on our nitrous bike, for instance -- it requires a complete teardown -- take the top end off -- to measure, thanks to the design of the engine. And taking the head off requires darn near pulling the engine out of the bike. It'd be nice to do all of that stuff in the friendly environs of a shop (instead of at Impound), for sure. I'd insist that the inspector that does the measurement be a top name (Dan Warner, Tom Evans, etc) and that he not only seal it with a seal that carries indisputable evidence that he did the sealing -- and of course, have him enter the information about the process in the logbook with a signature and date by the entry. No equivocating allowed. Jon a/k/a Seldom Seen Slim From v4gmr at yahoo.com Fri Jun 4 14:00:35 2010 From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Inspectors to check engine displacement In-Reply-To: <5151F9F4-D551-4157-B304-184FBD0375A9@nancyandjon.org> Message-ID: <627346.20382.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It certainly has been done in the past and is a good idea. I don't know who Dan will accept in your area,but I bet there is someone. --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Jon Wennerberg wrote: From: Jon Wennerberg Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Inspectors to check engine displacement To: "Meierle, Michael D (Mike)" Cc: "land-speed at autox.team.net" Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 8:43 AM On Jun 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Meierle, Michael D (Mike) wrote: > Don't have to worry about that until you set a record...:-) > > Mike Well, yes, you're technically correct, Mike -- but I can sure see reasons why it'd be nice to do it ahead of time - and have the engine sealed. Like on our nitrous bike, for instance -- it requires a complete teardown -- take the top end off -- to measure, thanks to the design of the engine. And taking the head off requires darn near pulling the engine out of the bike. It'd be nice to do all of that stuff in the friendly environs of a shop (instead of at Impound), for sure. I'd insist that the inspector that does the measurement be a top name (Dan Warner, Tom Evans, etc) and that he not only seal it with a seal that carries indisputable evidence that he did the sealing -- and of course, have him enter the information about the process in the logbook with a signature and date by the entry. No equivocating allowed. Jon a/k/a Seldom Seen Slim _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/v4gmr at yahoo.com From advo53 at gmail.com Fri Jun 4 14:20:14 2010 From: advo53 at gmail.com (greg meyers) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:20:14 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Inspectors to check engine displacement Message-ID: I'll check with Dan Warner. Thanks all Greg From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com Sun Jun 6 11:14:26 2010 From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:14:26 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] LIFE a couple more photos from the Salt. In-Reply-To: References: <4C02E751.7000301@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <92E149894FD841B8B5F862981820624C@Dell4400> LIFE photo archives.. Found a few more images from yesteryear.. ================================= Timing stand on the salt. NOTE: a mirror image.. ( reversed) The Great Salt Lake, Utah Photographer: Fritz Goro Un-dated. http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/aede92da70af5094_large Old Warning sign. http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/9d4481f8abb09af6_large From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Sun Jun 6 18:55:39 2010 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 17:55:39 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] LIFE a couple more photos from the Salt. In-Reply-To: <92E149894FD841B8B5F862981820624C@Dell4400> References: <4C02E751.7000301@mayfco.com> <92E149894FD841B8B5F862981820624C@Dell4400> Message-ID: <4C0C438B.7040808@wildblue.net> John, Look at the condition of the salt.... Makes me want to cry. It's almost as good as 1985. Sniff... Bryan Savage John Szalay wrote: > LIFE photo archives.. > > Found a few more images from yesteryear.. > ================================= > Timing stand on the salt. > > NOTE: a mirror image.. ( reversed) > > The Great Salt Lake, Utah > Photographer: Fritz Goro Un-dated. > > http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/aede92da70af5094_large > > > Old Warning sign. > > http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/9d4481f8abb09af6_large > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/b.a.savage at wildblue.net From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com Sun Jun 6 20:21:14 2010 From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:21:14 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] LIFE a couple more photos from the Salt. In-Reply-To: <4C0C438B.7040808@wildblue.net> References: <4C02E751.7000301@mayfco.com> <92E149894FD841B8B5F862981820624C@Dell4400> <4C0C438B.7040808@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Posted this link already but.. this one from 1937 will really make you sick.. 4ft thick.. http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/abe831719564d8b9_large -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryan Savage" Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:55 PM To: "John Szalay" Cc: "LSR" Subject: Re: [Land-speed] LIFE a couple more photos from the Salt. > John, > > Look at the condition of the salt.... > > Makes me want to cry. It's almost as good as 1985. > Sniff... > > Bryan Savage From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Jun 10 11:05:41 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:05:41 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Tires... Message-ID: <4C111B65.8040401@mayfco.com> I want to acquire a couple of tires that can serve double duty. I want then to be used in an emergency on the salt in case one of the race car tires comes off the rim or deflates or some qually disastrous event: I would put the spare on to tow back to the pit. I also want to use the "spare s" on a chassis dyno. To that end I would like to have at least a V speed rating and maybe Z. But so far I have look at a zillion tires and not come up with anything So, I ask you folk..... any of you have experience with any tire in the 15 inch wheel size, large diameter, V or Z rated, skinny if possible, that would save me from looking at another zillion tires? I need to order wheels so width is adjustable right now...diameter is almost cast in concrete though. HHHeeeeelllllppppp! mayf From wester6935 at comcast.net Thu Jun 10 11:07:10 2010 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:07:10 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] This is just plain silly! Non LSR Message-ID: Another of Obama's blunders. http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/10/autos/gm_no_chevy/ From wester6935 at comcast.net Thu Jun 10 11:58:24 2010 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:58:24 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Good to know for traffic tickets References: <1D7D13200A844DF79CF475C297DB3463@KentPC> Message-ID: <3DD0A164-F622-4832-9EB8-D3B324732D9B@comcast.net> Worth a try. Here's the Snopes link. http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=WHAT+TO+DO+IF+YOU+GET+A+TRAFFIC+TICKET&x =29&y=5&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=a like&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0 Begin forwarded message: > From: "Kent Broadhead" > Date: June 10, 2010 11:11:04 AM MDT > To: "Kent BROADHEAD" > Subject: Fw: Good to know for traffic tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT TO DO IF YOU GET A TRAFFIC TICKET : > > This advice was sent by a retired State Farm agent! This system has > been tried and it works in every state. > > If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red light, or whatever > the case may be, you're going to get points on your license and a > surcharge on your auto insurance. This is a method to insure that you > DO NOT get the points. > > When you get your fine, send in a check to pay for it. If the fine is > $79.00 make the check out for $82.00, some small amount over the fine. > The system will then have to send you back a check for the difference. > However, here is the trick: DO NOT CASH THE REFUND CHECK! Throw it > away! THAT'S RIGHT..THROW IT AWAY... > > Points are not assessed to your license until all Financial Transactions > are complete. If you do not cash the check, then the transactions are > NOT complete. The system has received its money and is satisfied and > will no longer bother you. > > This information comes from an unmentionable computer company that sets up the standard databases used by every state. > > Send this to everyone you know. You never know when they may need it. > > > > > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. From wester6935 at comcast.net Thu Jun 10 12:01:47 2010 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:01:47 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Good to know for traffic tickets In-Reply-To: <3DD0A164-F622-4832-9EB8-D3B324732D9B@comcast.net> References: <1D7D13200A844DF79CF475C297DB3463@KentPC> <3DD0A164-F622-4832-9EB8-D3B324732D9B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5149233E-AFDA-48C5-8633-A992E7A2E76F@comcast.net> Here's another Snopes link. Looks like the first one was inadequate. Sorry folks. Wes On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Wester Potter wrote: > Worth a try. > > Here's the Snopes link. > > http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=WHAT+TO+DO+IF+YOU+GET+A+TRAFFIC+TICKET&x =29&y=5&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=a like&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0 > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Kent Broadhead" >> Date: June 10, 2010 11:11:04 AM MDT >> To: "Kent BROADHEAD" >> Subject: Fw: Good to know for traffic tickets >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WHAT TO DO IF YOU GET A TRAFFIC TICKET : >> >> This advice was sent by a retired State Farm agent! This system has >> been tried and it works in every state. >> >> If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red light, or whatever >> the case may be, you're going to get points on your license and a >> surcharge on your auto insurance. This is a method to insure that you >> DO NOT get the points. >> >> When you get your fine, send in a check to pay for it. If the fine is >> $79.00 make the check out for $82.00, some small amount over the fine. >> The system will then have to send you back a check for the difference. >> However, here is the trick: DO NOT CASH THE REFUND CHECK! Throw it >> away! THAT'S RIGHT..THROW IT AWAY... >> >> Points are not assessed to your license until all Financial Transactions >> are complete. If you do not cash the check, then the transactions are >> NOT complete. The system has received its money and is satisfied and >> will no longer bother you. >> >> This information comes from an unmentionable computer company that sets up the standard databases used by every state. >> >> Send this to everyone you know. You never know when they may need it. >> >> >> >> >> The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. From dwarner230 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 14:12:28 2010 From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Good to know for traffic tickets In-Reply-To: <5149233E-AFDA-48C5-8633-A992E7A2E76F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <770252.25639.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Wes, You should test the links before posting. Neither of them work. DW XanGo, the Whole Fruit Mangosteen Puree! A natural anti-inflammatory Immune system booster & antioxidant. http://www.joaniewarner.mymangosteen.com/ 1-818-998-4435 Dan and Joanie use XanGo, won't you? www.mangosteenfruitinfo.com --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Wester Potter wrote: From: Wester Potter Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Good to know for traffic tickets To: Cc: "LAND SPEED LIST" Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 11:01 AM Here's another Snopes link. Looks like the first one was inadequate. Sorry folks. Wes On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Wester Potter wrote: > Worth a try. > > Here's the Snopes link. > > http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=WHAT+TO+DO+IF+YOU+GET+A+TRAFFIC+TICKET&x =29&y=5&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=a like&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0 > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Kent Broadhead" >> Date: June 10, 2010 11:11:04 AM MDT >> To: "Kent BROADHEAD" >> Subject: Fw: Good to know for traffic tickets >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WHAT TO DO IF YOU GET A TRAFFIC TICKET : >> >> This advice was sent by a retired State Farm agent! This system has >> been tried and it works in every state. >> >> If you get a speeding ticket or went through a red light, or whatever >> the case may be, you're going to get points on your license and a >> surcharge on your auto insurance. This is a method to insure that you >> DO NOT get the points. >> >> When you get your fine, send in a check to pay for it. If the fine is >> $79.00 make the check out for $82.00, some small amount over the fine. >> The system will then have to send you back a check for the difference. >> However, here is the trick: DO NOT CASH THE REFUND CHECK! Throw it >> away! THAT'S RIGHT..THROW IT AWAY... >> >> Points are not assessed to your license until all Financial Transactions >> are complete. If you do not cash the check, then the transactions are >> NOT complete. The system has received its money and is satisfied and >> will no longer bother you. >> >> This information comes from an unmentionable computer company that sets up the standard databases used by every state. >> >> Send this to everyone you know. You never know when they may need it. >> >> >> >> >> The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/dwarner230 at yahoo.com From lowtek at ptd.net Thu Jun 10 14:59:32 2010 From: lowtek at ptd.net (Richard Kensicki) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:59:32 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] This is just plain silly! Non LSR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C115234.9070803@ptd.net> "I get calls from international colleagues asking me 'What is a Chevy," said German-born GM spokesman Klaus-Peter Martin. "It takes quite a long time to explain to them." I wonder if Klaus's colleagues know the difference between a bimmer and a BMW? Wester Potter wrote: > Another of Obama's blunders. > > http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/10/autos/gm_no_chevy/ > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/lowtek at ptd.net > > > -- Lowtek "Who's LowTek? Not us Boss!!" Of course I could be wrong, but I've only been wrong once and that's when I thought I was wrong but wasn't. " Your mileage may vary. Old age isn't for sissies From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com Thu Jun 10 15:55:01 2010 From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:55:01 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] This is just plain silly! Non LSR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <365263A3BDFA490BA8F20EB85F252B36@Dell4400> > http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/10/autos/gm_no_chevy/ > _______________________________________________ >/ Does that mean the we can,t sing that song any more ? " Drove my chevy to the levy" ......ior that the song is now not PC.. ? From rbuck at xmission.com Thu Jun 10 16:03:12 2010 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:03:12 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] This is just plain silly! Non LSR In-Reply-To: <4C115234.9070803@ptd.net> References: <4C115234.9070803@ptd.net> Message-ID: <4C116120.4020907@xmission.com> I wonder if those German-born folks realize that in the US a Merc is a Mercury, but in the UK, it's a Mercedes? Not that it makes any difference. RtR Sent from my Dreadnought using that barely tolerable Thunderbird email program On 6/10/2010 2:59 PM, Richard Kensicki wrote: > "I get calls from international colleagues asking me 'What is a > Chevy," said German-born GM spokesman Klaus-Peter Martin. "It takes > quite a long time to explain to them." > > I wonder if Klaus's colleagues know the difference between a bimmer > and a BMW? > > Wester Potter wrote: >> Another of Obama's blunders. >> >> http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/10/autos/gm_no_chevy/ From ed at vetteracing.com Thu Jun 10 17:43:27 2010 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:43:27 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Tires... Message-ID: I use a pair of autocross tires on the rear to transport my Vette, and have used them on the dyno. No tread so they roll easy too. Ed -----Original Message----- From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:05 AM To: 'LSR' Subject: [Land-speed] Tires... I want to acquire a couple of tires that can serve double duty. I want then to be used in an emergency on the salt in case one of the race car tires comes off the rim or deflates or some qually disastrous event: I would put the spare on to tow back to the pit. I also want to use the "spare s" on a chassis dyno. To that end I would like to have at least a V speed rating and maybe Z. But so far I have look at a zillion tires and not come up with anything So, I ask you folk..... any of you have experience with any tire in the 15 inch wheel size, large diameter, V or Z rated, skinny if possible, that would save me from looking at another zillion tires? I need to order wheels so width is adjustable right now...diameter is almost cast in concrete though. HHHeeeeelllllppppp! mayf From BWANA343 at aol.com Thu Jun 10 18:42:54 2010 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:42:54 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Good to know for traffic tickets Message-ID: <7a084.5034dbac.3942e08e@aol.com> In a message dated 6/10/2010 2:36:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wester6935 at comcast.net writes: Send this to everyone you know. You never know when they may need it. or DON"T _http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/ticket.asp_ (http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/ticket.asp) BW From ecpurinton at wildblue.net Thu Jun 10 19:01:58 2010 From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:01:58 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Tires... In-Reply-To: <4C111B65.8040401@mayfco.com> References: <4C111B65.8040401@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Firestone Firehawk PV41 P225/70R15, V rated, 27.4" overall dia, 6.0-7.5" rim width. Designed for use on pursuit vehicles, probably a special order at your local 'stone dealer unless they supply a small local PD or FD Dept that might have an older Crown Vic or such still in service. All season [including mud and snow] rating if you ever want to use them on a daily driver. Also available in 16" with a slightly smaller overall dia. Buddy has run them for 3 years on his roadster topping out at 175 at Loring. No issues yet other than Speedweek inspectors preferred he run another set of more rounded profile MT Sportsman's to lessen any potential hydroplaning effects on the salt. He followed thier advice so we haven't got any results from running them on the salt. Ed Purinton On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:05 PM, drmayf wrote: > I want to acquire a couple of tires that can serve double duty. I want then > to be used in an emergency on the salt in case one of the race car tires > comes off the rim or deflates or some qually disastrous event: I would put > the spare on to tow back to the pit. I also want to use the "spare s" on a > chassis dyno. To that end I would like to have at least a V speed rating and > maybe Z. But so far I have look at a zillion tires and not come up with > anything > So, I ask you folk..... any of you have experience with any tire in the 15 > inch wheel size, large diameter, V or Z rated, skinny if possible, that > would save me from looking at another zillion tires? I need to order > wheels so width is adjustable right now...diameter is almost cast in > concrete though. > > HHHeeeeelllllppppp! > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/ecpurinton at wildblue.net From neil at dbelltech.com Thu Jun 10 19:31:00 2010 From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:31:00 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Tires... In-Reply-To: <4C111B65.8040401@mayfco.com> References: <4C111B65.8040401@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Mayf; How wide is your rim? Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -------------------------------------------------- From: "drmayf" Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:05 AM To: "LSR" Subject: [Land-speed] Tires... > I want to acquire a couple of tires that can serve double duty. I want > then to be used in an emergency on the salt in case one of the race car > tires comes off the rim or deflates or some qually disastrous event: I > would put the spare on to tow back to the pit. I also want to use the > "spare s" on a chassis dyno. To that end I would like to have at least a V > speed rating and maybe Z. But so far I have look at a zillion tires and > not come up with anything > So, I ask you folk..... any of you have experience with any tire in the 15 > inch wheel size, large diameter, V or Z rated, skinny if possible, > that would save me from looking at another zillion tires? I need to > order wheels so width is adjustable right now...diameter is almost cast in > concrete though. > > HHHeeeeelllllppppp! > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/neil at dbelltech.com From dwarner230 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 10 19:56:05 2010 From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] This is just plain silly! Non LSR In-Reply-To: <4C115234.9070803@ptd.net> Message-ID: <449342.50555.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Not much of "car guy" if he doesn't know Chevy/Chevrolet". Weak excuse for me. DW XanGo, the Whole Fruit Mangosteen Puree! A natural anti-inflammatory Immune system booster & antioxidant. http://www.joaniewarner.mymangosteen.com/ 1-818-998-4435 Dan and Joanie use XanGo, won't you? www.mangosteenfruitinfo.com --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Richard Kensicki wrote: From: Richard Kensicki Subject: Re: [Land-speed] This is just plain silly! Non LSR To: Cc: "LAND SPEED LIST" Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:59 PM "I get calls from international colleagues asking me 'What is a Chevy," said German-born GM spokesman Klaus-Peter Martin. "It takes quite a long time to explain to them." I wonder if Klaus's colleagues know the difference between a bimmer and a BMW? Wester Potter wrote: > Another of Obama's blunders. > > http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/10/autos/gm_no_chevy/ > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/lowtek at ptd.net > > > -- Lowtek "Who's LowTek? Not us Boss!!" Of course I could be wrong, but I've only been wrong once and that's when I thought I was wrong but wasn't. " Your mileage may vary. Old age isn't for sissies _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/dwarner230 at yahoo.com From saltfever at comcast.net Fri Jun 11 03:12:11 2010 From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:12:11 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Good to know for traffic tickets Message-ID: <10618EC172A443E2AEDE9E3D6726DB07@dim8100> Wes and Dan. Both links work perfectly. You just have to edit your email and remove the wrap-around because they are such long links. But Snopes says the payment trick is a HOAX! Why would post a known hoax Wes? From: Wester Potter Here's another Snopes link. Looks like the first one was inadequate. From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Fri Jun 11 06:10:53 2010 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:10:53 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] This is just plain silly! Non LSR References: <449342.50555.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301cb095f$24999860$6501a8c0@Rick> This just shows how much OEM senior management feels about the heritage and "culture" of their business. All companies including mine. Not all because I know a number of real car freaks that Ford has chosen to promote, but very few. Rick From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Jun 12 08:46:00 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:46:00 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Chassis Dyno Operations Message-ID: <4C139DA8.6080506@mayfco.com> More fun dumb questions from me. Why do we use high gear during a chassis dyno pull? The dyno does not know what gear the car is in, does it? Is there a general limit on the acceleration rate of the rollers? If high gear (1:1 in the gear box) is better than a lower gear, then would overdrive be better that the 1:1 gear? Is there some final drive ratio that is best? Or is top speed the consideration? And why does shifting during the pull matter? Are there other considerations in how the pull is accomplished? Isn't the desire to get tuning data for the enitre rpm range? Or should it be for reliability at peak rpm? anyhoo, just fun stuff before breakfast... comments? thoughts? flames? mayf From v4gmr at yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 10:36:21 2010 From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Chassis Dyno Operations In-Reply-To: <4C139DA8.6080506@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <545384.35746.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I would guess that a 1:1 direct gear more closely approximates the direct connection of an engine dyno. Also makes it easier to stay hooked up to the rollers? Just guessing. --- On Sat, 6/12/10, drmayf wrote: From: drmayf Subject: [Land-speed] Chassis Dyno Operations To: "LSR" Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 7:46 AM More fun dumb questions from me. Why do we use high gear during a chassis dyno pull? The dyno does not know what gear the car is in, does it? Is there a general limit on the acceleration rate of the rollers? If high gear (1:1 in the gear box) is better than a lower gear, then would overdrive be better that the 1:1 gear? Is there some final drive ratio that is best? Or is top speed the consideration? And why does shifting during the pull matter? Are there other considerations in how the pull is accomplished? Isn't the desire to get tuning data for the enitre rpm range? Or should it be for reliability at peak rpm? anyhoo, just fun stuff before breakfast... comments? thoughts? flames? mayf _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/v4gmr at yahoo.com From joyseydevil at comcast.net Sat Jun 12 19:07:05 2010 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:07:05 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Chassis Dyno Operations Message-ID: <20057DE7056F4938B913916412F2F5CD@john> I'd guess less wheel slip and smaller , less expensive energy absorption / conversion unit . > More fun dumb questions from me. Why do we use high gear during a chassis > dyno pull? The dyno does not know what gear the car is in, does it? Is > there a general limit on the acceleration rate of the rollers? If high > gear (1:1 in the gear box) is better than a lower gear, then would > overdrive be better that the 1:1 gear? Is there some final drive ratio > that is best? Or is top speed the consideration? And why does shifting > during the pull matter? Are there other considerations in how the pull > is accomplished? Isn't the desire to get tuning data for the enitre rpm > range? Or should it be for reliability at peak rpm? > > anyhoo, just fun stuff before breakfast... > > comments? thoughts? flames? > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/joyseydevil at comcast.net From saltfever at comcast.net Sat Jun 12 21:31:35 2010 From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:31:35 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Chassis Dyno Operations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So many questions before you had your coffee! LOL Many years ago, on an early Go Power dyno, it would not hold the load due to torque multiplication at lower RPM and would cavitate. We had to use direct drive just to apply load. Don't know the nature of your dyno but could the braking mechanism efficiency be the reason? If high gear is more efficient because it is DIRECT drive (i.e., torque is not transferred through a cluster shaft) then overdrive would be less efficient for the same reason. From: drmayf drmayf at mayfco.com More fun dumb questions from me. Why do we use high gear during a chassis dyno pull? The dyno does not know what gear the car is in, does it? Is there a general limit on the acceleration rate of the rollers? If high gear (1:1 in the gear box) is better than a lower gear, then would overdrive be better that the 1:1 gear? Is there some final drive ratio that is best? From FFR554 at aol.com Sat Jun 12 23:04:20 2010 From: FFR554 at aol.com (FFR554 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:04:20 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Chassis Dyno Operations Message-ID: <3abc6.267e55.3945c0d4@aol.com> My experience is that the normal loss between an engine Dyno pull and a chassis dyno pull is 5 - 10% using a standard transmission and non-quickchange rear end in high gear . The loss increases in lower transmission gears. With a quickchange the loss may be as high as 20%, depending on ring & pinnion ratio and final drive ratio. The fewer gears, the better. Quickchange's give flexibility, but rob horsepower. Bruce From: drmayf Subject: [Land-speed] Chassis Dyno Operations To: "LSR" Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 7:46 AM More fun dumb questions from me. Why do we use high gear during a chassis dyno pull? The dyno does not know what gear the car is in, does it? Is there a general limit on the acceleration rate of the rollers? If high gear (1:1 in the gear box) is better than a lower gear, then would overdrive be better that the 1:1 gear? Is there some final drive ratio that is best? Or is top speed the consideration? And why does shifting during the pull matter? Are there other considerations in how the pull is accomplished? Isn't the desire to get tuning data for the enitre rpm range? Or should it be for reliability at peak rpm? anyhoo, just fun stuff before breakfast... comments? thoughts? flames? mayf _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/v4gmr at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/ffr554 at aol.com From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Jun 12 23:08:09 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:08:09 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Chassis Dyno Operations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C1467B9.4060308@mayfco.com> Well, this wasn't an exercise to try and find out why a dyno I have didn't work (I don't have one). I was asking why we do testing the way it is done. What is the rationale for doing it that way? You see, one of the things I don't understand is that there are a zillion rear end ratis and yet we always use high gear in the gear box. The dyno doesn't have a clue as to what is riding on it. So why does it matter what gear is used. It is simply an inertial mass that is accelerated by the applied torque at the tire / roller interface. So the questions were geared to educating me as to why things are done the way they are. Why technical reasons are there for doing a high gear pull when the final drive for all the cars that go on a chassis dyno are different. I guess, it is simply..Because that's the way we've always done it. mayf Kirkwood wrote: >So many questions before you had your coffee! LOL > >Many years ago, on an early Go Power dyno, it would not hold the load due to >torque multiplication at lower RPM and would cavitate. We had to use direct >drive just to apply load. Don't know the nature of your dyno but could the >braking mechanism efficiency be the reason? > >If high gear is more efficient because it is DIRECT drive (i.e., torque is >not transferred through a cluster shaft) then overdrive would be less >efficient for the same reason. >From: drmayf drmayf at mayfco.com >More fun dumb questions from me. Why do we use high gear during a chassis >dyno pull? The dyno does not know what gear the car is in, does it? Is >there >a general limit on the acceleration rate of the rollers? If high gear (1:1 >in >the gear box) is better than a lower gear, then would overdrive be better >that >the 1:1 gear? Is there some final drive ratio that is best? >_______________________________________________ >Land-speed at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/drmayf at mayfco.com From saltfever at comcast.net Sat Jun 12 23:36:29 2010 From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:36:29 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Chassis Dyno Operations In-Reply-To: <4C1467B9.4060308@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <73F2671AC46E43B6924C03EF5E9DAC7D@dim8100> The only chassis dyno pull I have witnessed in the last 10 years was a roadster with a C-10 automatic. That run was done in 2nd gear not high gear. When I asked why 2nd gear the operator said the same as you, it didn't make any difference but it kept all the rolling speeds lower and he preferred to test that way. Even at that I thought the building was going to collapse. The only justification I could see for a high gear pull is to quantify actual RWHP. If high gear is 1:1 and is a few percent more efficient than lower gears then you are quantifying the actual HP producing terminal velocity. Any gear less efficient would be an inaccurate result. Maybe I should rephrase that. Even if overdrive is less efficient you would want to test in the gear that is providing terminal velocity. Isn't that the RWHP that counts? -----Original Message----- From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] Well, this wasn't an exercise to try and find out why a dyno I have didn't work (I don't have one). I was asking why we do testing the way it is done. What is the rationale for doing it that way? From joyseydevil at comcast.net Sun Jun 13 00:36:38 2010 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 02:36:38 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Crankshaft balancing Message-ID: <2B1642AA4E4F42B598FE479288E134D1@john> Your pistons and rods are heavier so you have the crank rebalanced to reduce the uneven forces on the main bearings . But that's not what the shop did . Treating the crank as a unit without knowing if the end counterweights are compensating for an imbalance in the middle does nothing but minimize the external vibration of the engine . No wonder race engines are sometimes harder on certain main bearings . For a high rpm race engine I'm not sure conventional balancing makes any difference at all . . Balancing a crank would require scanning it , and letting the computer tell you where to add and remove weight . Ok Fred , here's your crank , that'll be $7900 . Using a rotating imbalance to compensate for a reciprocating imbalance is crude enough to begin with . John From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Jun 13 17:20:00 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:20:00 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Chassis Dyno Operations In-Reply-To: <73F2671AC46E43B6924C03EF5E9DAC7D@dim8100> References: <73F2671AC46E43B6924C03EF5E9DAC7D@dim8100> Message-ID: <4C1567A0.5000804@mayfco.com> Kirkwood wrote: >The only chassis dyno pull I have witnessed in the last 10 years was a >roadster with a C-10 automatic. That run was done in 2nd gear not high gear. >When I asked why 2nd gear the operator said the same as you, it didn't make >any difference but it kept all the rolling speeds lower and he preferred to >test that way. Even at that I thought the building was going to collapse. >The only justification I could see for a high gear pull is to quantify >actual RWHP. If high gear is 1:1 and is a few percent more efficient than >lower gears then you are quantifying the actual HP producing terminal >velocity. Any gear less efficient would be an inaccurate result. Maybe I >should rephrase that. Even if overdrive is less efficient you would want to >test in the gear that is providing terminal velocity. Isn't that the RWHP >that counts? >-----Original Message----- >From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] >Well, this wasn't an exercise to try and find out why a dyno I have >didn't work (I don't have one). I was asking why we do testing the way >it is done. What is the rationale for doing it that way? From wester6935 at comcast.net Tue Jun 15 21:03:58 2010 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:03:58 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Eye Candy For Old Guys and Gals References: <25603028.628657.1276644132386.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: mllarsen115 > Date: June 15, 2010 5:22:12 PM MDT > To: wester6935 at comcast.net > Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Eye Candy For Old Guys and Gals > > : > > > > > >> >> >> >> This is rated G its about cars > = > > > Steven J. Rose > President/CEO > Culver City Chamber of Commerce > 4249 Overland Ave. > Culver City, CA. 90230 > > 310-287-3855 > 310-287-1350 FAX > ssssteve at culvercitychamber.com > www.culvercitychamber.com > > > > > = From drmayf at mayfco.com Wed Jun 16 09:55:29 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 08:55:29 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Tires... In-Reply-To: References: <4C111B65.8040401@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <4C18F3F1.3080603@mayfco.com> Keith, which ones? However, I have already snagged a couple of used tires. Come from police cruisers, 27 inches tall, fit on a 5 - 8 inch wide wheel, and are V rated. I did consider drag radials, but these tires will also serve to put on the car in the even one comes apart on the salt in some form or fashion. I hated the idea of soft compounds being worn away on the salt. As soon as the new wheels come and I hit the chassi sdyno, I'll let the group know how they performed. Oh, I forgot, they are used right down to the wear bars so no issues of chunking at speed (I hope!). Which brand of drag radials have the most success? Maybe I'll get a pair if we decide to make the loop of eastern lsr sites (maxton, Tex mile and ?). Only after it goes 205 though. hello to Mz Tonya for us mayf KeithTurk at hotmail.com wrote: > how bout Drag Radial's... it's what we use at Maxton... and they are > tall.... > > K > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "drmayf" > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:05 PM > To: "LSR" > Subject: [Land-speed] Tires... > >> I want to acquire a couple of tires that can serve double duty. I >> want then to be used in an emergency on the salt in case one of the >> race car tires comes off the rim or deflates or some qually >> disastrous event: I would put the spare on to tow back to the pit. I >> also want to use the "spare s" on a chassis dyno. To that end I would >> like to have at least a V speed rating and maybe Z. But so far I have >> look at a zillion tires and not come up with anything >> So, I ask you folk..... any of you have experience with any tire in >> the 15 inch wheel size, large diameter, V or Z rated, skinny if >> possible, that would save me from looking at another zillion tires? >> I need to order wheels so width is adjustable right now...diameter is >> almost cast in concrete though. >> >> HHHeeeeelllllppppp! >> >> mayf From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com Wed Jun 16 11:17:11 2010 From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Elecctric Streamliner Motorcycle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <774256.19506.qm@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/06/eva-hakansson-killajoule/ From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com Tue Jun 22 09:30:35 2010 From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:30:35 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] LIFE article from 1945 Message-ID: <9C67E78714274CF8A885CBDB4396D697@Dell4400> Photo essay on El Mirage racing in 1945 http://tinyurl.com/3yn62zv Page 86-86-87-88 From jimwebb at nutsracing.com Tue Jun 22 17:05:40 2010 From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:05:40 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Of SpeedWeek, Hotels and Pre-entries Message-ID: <431FBABEAD9049F7ACAA6595FC77014D@VAIO> Loyal Lurker here. It looks like we are going to make it back to the salt for the August meet. Things were too uncertain by the deadline, so I did not pre-enter and didn't even try for the hotel sweepstakes. So, if anyone pre-entered and cannot make it, I'd love to buy your pre-entry. There are rules to these things as I have learned in the past. Also, I'm starting the begging early for any extra hotel rooms, beds or floor space. I know there is at least one person in my party, my banker, who will not be satisfied sleeping in the bed of the truck. Of course, many years ago she thought that was romantic. Now, not so much! Looking forward to seeing you all out there in August! Jim Webb Chock Full o' Nuts A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Jun 27 08:21:35 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:21:35 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] A Left Handed Rules Question... Message-ID: <4C275E6F.9000404@mayfco.com> Left handed in that it kinda comes out of nowhere for me. Back "when" the only cars that were fast were generally those designed and put together for and by hot rodders. Most street vehicles were limited to speeds maybe a few miles per hour over a hundred. Since those vehicles, hot rods, were put together by racers using all sorts of parts and pieces, safety rules were required. But, what about today? It is not difficult to go out and purchase a car that can exceed 200 mph right off the showroom floor. Corvettes, Vipers, Mustangs, lots of foreign cars (Bugatti Veyron, Ferrari, etc) seem to be able to do high speeds with ease. So, because these are in fact production cars, does it make sense to apply the older rules to newer cars? Ie, would it really be necessary to require a full cage for a Bugatti? Or what about a SFI 20 fire suit for a factory blown Mustang? If the designers of such cars consider them safe enough to be driven , albeit slower, on public streets, why wouldn't a lone car on the wide open salt be acceptable? I know these cars are out there, so why not relax the rules for super cars? It seems to me that if a venue were available for the owners of those cars to "test" their cars, maybe the streets would be safer, lol. It would be necesssary to assure that cars are as factory assembled though. comments? and, no, I do not thave one nor am I planning on buying one.. I am the opposite of having more money than good sense, lol, more sense than money ( a tricky way of saying I don't have the cash to waste) mayf From BWANA343 at aol.com Sun Jun 27 09:56:16 2010 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:56:16 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] A Left Handed Rules Question... Message-ID: <7c27e.4af6e613.3958cea0@aol.com> I hereby designate/nominate you as the official Devil's Advocate-in-Residence for all of LSR. LOL My feelings on this are based on personal experience in the Loring Timing Association, and discussions with other LSR venue management people with similar exposure. Basically, we get questions from lots of people who own these types of cars that are capable of in excess of the usual 135 mph limitation for "street cars," as in mainly non caged, non fire extinguishment equipped, and all the other stuff we mandate for Safety. New Corvette Coupe guys say GM says the integral frame passenger surround is safe well over our 135, why can't they be allowed higher speeds? Many of the newer serious Euro and Asian Sports cars are also similarly equipped, with the same queries from their owners. The way it is, we want what we know works, not something factory installed that meets the manufacturers legal standards, coupled with disclaimers about driving over limits that do the CYA for them. (cover your A**) I'd like to have any and every Maserarribaginni Tri-Turbo Benzomatic Mach 11 run our Runway, but they practically aren't installing a seriously ugly invasive full cage in an already cramped passenger compartment. On the bright side, in the near future there will be cars competing with removable cage components. A few companies are fabricating connections that replicate the strength of welded joints, mostly for that most intrusive door bar. We will evaluate the connections available, comment on our recommendations, and hopefully create a Safe solution that is first function and second, form. I suggest anybody on this list that is also on other gear head sites to bring it up on them and discuss what their experiences are. A basic disclaimer here, as I'm part of the LTA. We do not endorse any product available now, we only encourage every individual to research this relatively new procedure, as it's all about Hot Rodding, and improving our Sport and increasing our Safety. Bob W, The LTA Guy ps, Are you left handed ? From mark at bradakis.com Sun Jun 27 11:30:53 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:30:53 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] A Left Handed Rules Question... In-Reply-To: <7c27e.4af6e613.3958cea0@aol.com> References: <7c27e.4af6e613.3958cea0@aol.com> Message-ID: <4C278ACD.3000508@bradakis.com> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=57 mjb. From wester6935 at comcast.net Sun Jun 27 12:09:22 2010 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:09:22 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] A Left Handed Rules Question... In-Reply-To: <4C278ACD.3000508@bradakis.com> References: <7c27e.4af6e613.3958cea0@aol.com> <4C278ACD.3000508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Yeah, and the driver, Richard Losee, drove in the Utah Fast Pass the following year driving a car his dad loaned to him, a Fiat 850. This is the same guy who received a radar clocked speeding ticket on the neighborhood street below his hillside family home for going ten over the speed limit, on a skateboard. Wes On Jun 27, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=57 > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ From adin at frontier.net Sun Jun 27 12:59:05 2010 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:59:05 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] A Left Handed Rules Question... References: <7c27e.4af6e613.3958cea0@aol.com> <4C278ACD.3000508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: If I trashed my $1.5M toy, would I want to live? No road, with public access, is safe at the speeds most veehickles can go. Most roads aren't safe @ 55mph w/ @$#%@ kids/women/whatever group you want to hate texting while driving. Few public roads and most race courses aren't "safe" at speeds above the lift-off threshhold. (ever see the M-B at LeMans a few years ago? triple back flip through the trees!) I have no family to sue anyone (hopefully), if I can find a place where I don't hurt anyone else, I WANNA PLAY! cheers, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wester Potter" To: "Mark J Bradakis" Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] A Left Handed Rules Question... > Yeah, and the driver, Richard Losee, drove in the Utah Fast Pass the > following year driving a car his dad loaned to him, a Fiat 850. > This is the same guy who received a radar clocked speeding ticket on the > neighborhood street below his hillside family home for going ten over the > speed limit, on a skateboard. > Wes > > On Jun 27, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > >> http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=57 >> >> mjb. >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/adin at frontier.net > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5232 (20100627) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5232 (20100627) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From dwarner230 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 27 13:02:48 2010 From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] A Left Handed Rules Question... In-Reply-To: <4C275E6F.9000404@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <930555.84502.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If you want to see the cars that are non-compliant with SCTA-BNI rules there are events held all across the country. Texas, Florida, Maine and California come to mind. DW XanGo, the Whole Fruit Mangosteen Puree! A natural anti-inflammatory Immune system booster & antioxidant. http://www.joaniewarner.mymangosteen.com/ 1-818-998-4435 Dan and Joanie use XanGo, won't you? www.mangosteenfruitinfo.com --- On Sun, 6/27/10, drmayf wrote: From: drmayf Subject: [Land-speed] A Left Handed Rules Question... To: "LSR" Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 7:21 AM Left handed in that it kinda comes out of nowhere for me. Back "when" the only cars that were fast were generally those designed and put together for and by hot rodders. Most street vehicles were limited to speeds maybe a few miles per hour over a hundred. Since those vehicles, hot rods, were put together by racers using all sorts of parts and pieces, safety rules were required. But, what about today? It is not difficult to go out and purchase a car that can exceed 200 mph right off the showroom floor. Corvettes, Vipers, Mustangs, lots of foreign cars (Bugatti Veyron, Ferrari, etc) seem to be able to do high speeds with ease. So, because these are in fact production cars, does it make sense to apply the older rules to newer cars? Ie, would it really be necessary to require a full cage for a Bugatti? Or what about a SFI 20 fire suit for a factory blown Mustang? If the designers of such cars consider them safe enough to be driven , albeit slower, on public streets, why wouldn't a lone car on the wide open salt be acceptable? I know these cars are out there, so why not relax the rules for super cars? It seems to me that if a venue were available for the owners of those cars to "test" their cars, maybe the streets would be safer, lol. It would be necesssary to assure that cars are as factory assembled though. comments? and, no, I do not thave one nor am I planning on buying one.. I am the opposite of having more money than good sense, lol, more sense than money ( a tricky way of saying I don't have the cash to waste) mayf _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/dwarner230 at yahoo.com From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Jun 27 16:21:36 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 15:21:36 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] A Left Handed Rules Question... In-Reply-To: <4C278ACD.3000508@bradakis.com> References: <7c27e.4af6e613.3958cea0@aol.com> <4C278ACD.3000508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4C27CEF0.3040402@mayfco.com> Mark J Bradakis wrote: > http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=57 > > mjb. HAd the car been on the salt, there would no doubt have been some muddied shorts but not likely any car damage. This is the kind of thing I was generally inquiring about. High speeds on a narrow pavement with maintenance ok for slower speeds but not high speed. Glad he was safe... mayf From neil at dbelltech.com Sun Jun 27 17:16:09 2010 From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:16:09 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] A Left Handed Rules Question... In-Reply-To: <4C275E6F.9000404@mayfco.com> References: <4C275E6F.9000404@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Mayf; If you crash a store- bought supercar, you're just as dead as if you crashed a hot rod. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -------------------------------------------------- From: "drmayf" Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 7:21 AM To: "LSR" Subject: [Land-speed] A Left Handed Rules Question... > Left handed in that it kinda comes out of nowhere for me. Back "when" > the only cars that were fast were generally those designed and put > together for and by hot rodders. Most street vehicles were limited to > speeds maybe a few miles per hour over a hundred. Since those vehicles, > hot rods, were put together by racers using all sorts of parts and > pieces, safety rules were required. But, what about today? It is not > difficult to go out and purchase a car that can exceed 200 mph right off > the showroom floor. Corvettes, Vipers, Mustangs, lots of foreign cars > (Bugatti Veyron, Ferrari, etc) seem to be able to do high speeds with > ease. So, because these are in fact production cars, does it make sense > to apply the older rules to newer cars? Ie, would it really be necessary > to require a full cage for a Bugatti? Or what about a SFI 20 fire suit > for a factory blown Mustang? If the designers of such cars consider them > safe enough to be driven , albeit slower, on public streets, why wouldn't > a lone car on the wide open salt be acceptable? I know these cars are out > there, so why not relax the rules for super cars? It seems to me that if > a venue were available for the owners of those cars to "test" their cars, > maybe the streets would be safer, lol. It would be necesssary to assure > that cars are as factory assembled though. > > comments? > > and, no, I do not thave one nor am I planning on buying one.. I am the > opposite of having more money than good sense, lol, more sense than money > ( a tricky way of saying I don't have the cash to waste) > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/neil at dbelltech.com From dwarner230 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 27 20:44:45 2010 From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Left handed rules comments Message-ID: <492388.6665.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I added Loring to my reply in another post. On second thought I really should have not added Maine to the event list for the same reason I left Maxon out. At Loring they use the ECTA rulebook which does not compromise when it comes to safety. Mi Culpa DW XanGo, the Whole Fruit Mangosteen Puree! A natural anti-inflammatory Immune system booster & antioxidant. http://www.joaniewarner.mymangosteen.com/ 1-818-998-4435 Dan and Joanie use XanGo, won't you? www.mangosteenfruitinfo.com From jdincau at qnet.com Mon Jun 28 12:45:06 2010 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:45:06 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Turbo cam Message-ID: Here is another theoretical question: Are the camshaft requirements for a turbocharged engine different from a normally aspirated one and how so? Jim in Palmdale From ddahlgren at snet.net Mon Jun 28 13:10:12 2010 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:10:12 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Turbo cam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A turbo charged engine is an NA one at a different altitude... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dincau" To: "land Speed List" Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Turbo cam > Here is another theoretical question: > Are the camshaft requirements for a turbocharged engine different from > a normally aspirated one and how so? > Jim in Palmdale From dmirror3 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 28 16:25:14 2010 From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Turbo cam Message-ID: <848748.93271.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Good answer Dave, let me preface my response by saying that I respect your experience and contributions. In response to "A turbo charged engine is an NA one at a different altitude" Looking for an education on 2 clarifications. The 1st is not really a question as the answer appears to be logical. Question 1. What/which altitude is the desired turbo grind ? Probable answer: Cam is to be ground for the specific engine and its components to operate on a specific (altitude) intended course. Here is my actual Question; 2. is the cam ground for a different Atmosphere (vs altitude)or is this just semantics ? ? Thank you for your help, Dale K Cleveland OH It is the province of knowledge to speak and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen. ~ Oliver Wendell Holmes --- On Mon, 6/28/10, ddahlgren wrote: > From: ddahlgren > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Turbo cam > To: "Jim Dincau" , "land Speed List" > Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 3:10 PM > A turbo charged engine is an NA one > at a different altitude... > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dincau" > To: "land Speed List" > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 2:45 PM > Subject: [Land-speed] Turbo cam > > > > Here is another theoretical question: > > Are the camshaft requirements > for a turbocharged engine different from a normally > aspirated one and how so? > > Jim in Palmdale > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/dmirror3 at yahoo.com From 23.weldon at comcast.net Mon Jun 28 18:06:37 2010 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:06:37 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Turbo cam References: Message-ID: Dave -- The analogy to altitude makes sense as a first order comparison. (uhhh........ looking back here on the agony of undergraduate engineering thermodynamics) Perhaps we're thinking of Death Valley or the Dead Sea. Hmmmmm.......not sure I like that word "Death". Looking a bit deeper aren't there 2nd order effects such as material limitations in the exhaust that need to be compensated for by cam timing? Or have we evolved the technology and designed ourselves beyond those limitations? BTW I have virtually no experience with turbocharging. Hoping to learn a bit from this discussion. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "ddahlgren" To: "Jim Dincau" ; "land Speed List" Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Turbo cam >A turbo charged engine is an NA one at a different altitude... From v4gmr at yahoo.com Mon Jun 28 20:58:36 2010 From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Re: Turbo cam Message-ID: <915149.78080.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 6/28/10, Rich Fox wrote: From: Rich Fox Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Turbo cam To: "Dale Krumheuer" Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 4:29 PM With all due deference to Dave's expertise in these maters. I always heard, and tried to incorporate in my turbo motor, accommodation for the exhaust restriction that going down hill doesn't cause. Shouldn't that play some part in the cam grind? --- On Mon, 6/28/10, Dale Krumheuer wrote: From: Dale Krumheuer Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Turbo cam To: "Jim Dincau" , "land Speed List" , "ddahlgren" Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 3:25 PM Good answer Dave, let me preface my response by saying that I respect your experience and contributions. In response to "A turbo charged engine is an NA one at a different altitude" Looking for an education on 2 clarifications. The 1st is not really a question as the answer appears to be logical. Question 1. What/which altitude is the desired turbo grind ? Probable answer: Cam is to be ground for the specific engine and its components to operate on a specific (altitude) intended course. Here is my actual Question; 2. is the cam ground for a different Atmosphere (vs altitude)or is this just semantics ? ? Thank you for your help, Dale K Cleveland OH It is the province of knowledge to speak and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen. ~ Oliver Wendell Holmes --- On Mon, 6/28/10, ddahlgren wrote: > From: ddahlgren > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Turbo cam > To: "Jim Dincau" , "land Speed List" > Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 3:10 PM > A turbo charged engine is an NA one > at a different altitude... > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dincau" > To: "land Speed List" > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 2:45 PM > Subject: [Land-speed] Turbo cam > > > > Here is another theoretical question: > > Are the camshaft requirements > for a turbocharged engine different from a normally > aspirated one and how so? > > Jim in Palmdale > _______________________________________________ > Land-speed at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/dmirror3 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Land-speed at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/land-speed/v4gmr at yahoo.com From wester6935 at comcast.net Tue Jun 29 12:02:33 2010 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:02:33 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] New news Message-ID: <148FEF50-D12C-4BED-8A86-AEE3F8FF7DAC@comcast.net> http://www.nationalspeedsportnews.com/node.php?tag=5&id=4490 From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Wed Jun 30 07:45:20 2010 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:45:20 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] value of trans Message-ID: <002f01cb185a$7c0ea950$6501a8c0@Rick> A query for you guys. One of my team members has a Doug Nash 4 spd. with V gate shifter, straight cut gears. Rebuilt by DNE and not used since then. I think it is long tail shaft. NOT JUNK. I'm thinking 12 to $1300. Any one have an opinion.