From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Jul  4 12:04:56 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 11:04:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
Message-ID: <744D29D0809C46BA8E3CEB308C6FA365@tiger>

List;

A question-- Can a firesuit be recertified by its manufacturer? If so do you
have any experience with doing it?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  4 12:55:33 2010
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 11:55:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
In-Reply-To: <744D29D0809C46BA8E3CEB308C6FA365@tiger>
Message-ID: <704147.46989.qm@web51001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yes it can. Contact your mfg. and send it in. My older suit had the wrong kind
of stiching and would have had to be pulled apart and re sewn. So a new one
was cheaper. Hope you do better.  RF

--- On Sun, 7/4/10, Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com> wrote:


From: Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 11:04 AM


List;

A question-- Can a firesuit be recertified by its manufacturer? If so do you
have any experience with doing it?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Jul  4 13:37:49 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 12:37:49 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
In-Reply-To: <704147.46989.qm@web51001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <704147.46989.qm@web51001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9FB6594BDB814F7383364EF00C55FEE3@tiger>

Thanks, Rich.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


From: Rich Fox
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 11:55 AM
To: landspeed at autox.team.net ; Neil Albaugh
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification


      Yes it can. Contact your mfg. and send it in. My older suit had the
wrong kind of stiching and would have had to be pulled apart and re sewn. So a
new one was cheaper. Hope you do better.  RF

      --- On Sun, 7/4/10, Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com> wrote:


        From: Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com>
        Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
        To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
        Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 11:04 AM


        List;

        A question-- Can a firesuit be recertified by its manufacturer? If so
do you
        have any experience with doing it?

        Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
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From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Sun Jul  4 16:39:18 2010
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 17:39:18 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
In-Reply-To: <744D29D0809C46BA8E3CEB308C6FA365@tiger>
References: <744D29D0809C46BA8E3CEB308C6FA365@tiger>
Message-ID: <418E9A9FC3DD4CC2B916ED7297FF627B@VAIO>

My experience is like Rich's. They said they could do it, but the thread was
the issue. It was cheaper to replace.
Nothing like wearing a blanket in August just east of Wendover!

Jim Webb
Chock Full o' Nuts
A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
 
-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Neil Albaugh
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:05 PM
To: landspeed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification

List;

A question-- Can a firesuit be recertified by its manufacturer? If so do you
have any experience with doing it?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

From mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Mon Jul  5 06:06:48 2010
From: mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (Meierle, Michael D (Mike))
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 07:06:48 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
In-Reply-To: <418E9A9FC3DD4CC2B916ED7297FF627B@VAIO>
References: <744D29D0809C46BA8E3CEB308C6FA365@tiger>
	<418E9A9FC3DD4CC2B916ED7297FF627B@VAIO>
Message-ID: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AC686EA79@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>

I have a 2002 Simpson -20 suit, recertified in 2008 for $50 plus shipping. New
SFI tags and all. Took a week back & forth to Calif.

Mike Meierle
Sr. Systems Engineer
Alcatel-Lucent
7751 Windsor Drive
Dublin, OH 43016
(614) 284-6229
-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Webb
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 6:39 PM
To: 'Neil Albaugh'; 'landspeed at autox.team.net'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification

My experience is like Rich's. They said they could do it, but the thread was
the issue. It was cheaper to replace.
Nothing like wearing a blanket in August just east of Wendover!

Jim Webb
Chock Full o' Nuts
A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Neil Albaugh
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 1:05 PM
To: landspeed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification

List;

A question-- Can a firesuit be recertified by its manufacturer? If so do you
have any experience with doing it?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Jul  5 07:24:56 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 06:24:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
In-Reply-To: <CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AC686EA79@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
References: <744D29D0809C46BA8E3CEB308C6FA365@tiger>
	<418E9A9FC3DD4CC2B916ED7297FF627B@VAIO>
	<CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AC686EA79@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
Message-ID: <4C31DD28.6050909@mayfco.com>

All, an interesting question, this one about recert of fire suits.  Is 
there a requirement?  Or is it left to the owner to decide, when if 
ever, to recert?  I  looked but did not see any..

mayf
Meierle, Michael D (Mike) wrote:

>I have a 2002 Simpson -20 suit, recertified in 2008 for $50 plus shipping. New
>SFI tags and all. Took a week back & forth to Calif.
>
>Mike Meierle
>Sr. Systems Engineer
>Alcatel-Lucent
>7751 Windsor Drive
>Dublin, OH 43016
>(614) 284-6229
>-----Original Message-----
>From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
>[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Webb
>Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 6:39 PM
>To: 'Neil Albaugh'; 'landspeed at autox.team.net'
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
>
>My experience is like Rich's. They said they could do it, but the thread was
>the issue. It was cheaper to replace.
>Nothing like wearing a blanket in August just east of Wendover!
>
>Jim Webb
>Chock Full o' Nuts
>A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From adin at frontier.net  Mon Jul  5 07:46:08 2010
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 07:46:08 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] All it takes is money?
Message-ID: <7522CD4151054FDAB89A12441E58E8A9@ZTxp>

a claimed 268 mph . . .

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=22168


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From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 08:35:14 2010
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Re:  Fire Suit Recertification
Message-ID: <938991.92368.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 7/5/10, Rich Fox <v4gmr at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Rich Fox <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
To: drmayf at mayfco.com
Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 7:33 AM






The number on my suit was no longer acceptable. It wasn't time as such but
progress that timed it out.

--- On Mon, 7/5/10, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:


From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
To: "Meierle, Michael D (Mike)" <mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com>
Cc: "'landspeed at autox.team.net'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 6:24 AM


All, an interesting question, this one about recert of fire suits.  Is
there a requirement?  Or is it left to the owner to decide, when if
ever, to recert?  I  looked but did not see any..

mayf
Meierle, Michael D (Mike) wrote:

>I have a 2002 Simpson -20 suit, recertified in 2008 for $50 plus shipping.
New
>SFI tags and all. Took a week back & forth to Calif.
>
>Mike Meierle
>Sr. Systems Engineer
>Alcatel-Lucent
>7751 Windsor Drive
>Dublin, OH 43016
>(614) 284-6229
>-----Original Message-----
>From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
>[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Webb
>Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 6:39 PM
>To: 'Neil Albaugh'; 'landspeed at autox.team.net'
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
>
>My experience is like Rich's. They said they could do it, but the thread was
>the issue. It was cheaper to replace.
>Nothing like wearing a blanket in August just east of Wendover!
>
>Jim Webb
>Chock Full o' Nuts
>A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
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From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Mon Jul  5 08:46:49 2010
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:46:49 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
References: <744D29D0809C46BA8E3CEB308C6FA365@tiger><418E9A9FC3DD4CC2B916ED7297FF627B@VAIO><CC519D1BCDE8D24482EC9913EAF3AD850AC686EA79@USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com>
	<4C31DD28.6050909@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <000401cb1c50$e74d37f0$6501a8c0@Rick>

Doc
There is no present SCTA/BNI requirement and I'm hoping it is left to our 
discretion in the long term.
Recert is required by NHRA, SCCA, and others.  I'm comfortable with the fact 
that my suit properly stored and used once per year, gets about as much wear 
on it as most racing suits get in one or two weekends during their season.

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  5 11:30:16 2010
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
In-Reply-To: <4C320CE6.4050602@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <113691.80337.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

When I bought my first fire suit I was looking at a blown front engined car
over 175. As many are. At that time the best suit was a SFI 3.2.  Today there
is no such number. The corresponding number is 3.2A/20. This, I guess, came
about as SFI gathered experience with real world incidents. Any way a 3.2 suit
was no longer accepted and my suit could not be upgraded to 3.2A/20 or
anything else at a feasible cost. About that time I had become quite concerned
about obese drivers and how they effect seat belt function. You can take the
cushion out of the seat padding but not out of the driver. So I sold my old
suit to a Hot Rod Shop to use in a display and gave it up.

 

--- On Mon, 7/5/10, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:


From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
To: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 9:48 AM


What made it unacceptable? And to whom?  Confusing since there is currenly no
requirement to be recerted. 

mayf
Rich Fox wrote:




The number on my suit was no longer acceptable. It wasn't time as such but
progress that timed it out.

--- On Mon, 7/5/10, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:


From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
To: "Meierle, Michael D (Mike)" <mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com>
Cc: "'landspeed at autox.team.net'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, July 5, 2010, 6:24 AM


All, an interesting question, this one about recert of fire suits.  Is
there a requirement?  Or is it left to the owner to decide, when if
ever, to recert?  I  looked but did not see any..

mayf
 

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  5 17:04:08 2010
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 18:04:08 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suit Recertification
Message-ID: <17491596.1278371048792.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Please don't give anyone in our organization something else that will cause more costs. If properly cared for these will last for years. 

As for Rich's comment I too had a 3-2 and sent it back to the manufacturer and they chose to uprade it to a 3-2-20. I was very suprised. They said it was because it was in perfect shape even for it's age. I had never, repeat never had it on a hanger. It was stored flat in a suit case and cleaned at least once if not 3 or 4 times depending how many times I ran at El Mirage. 

Both my son and I took it off immediately after each run and put in on just prior to each run.(no reason to stand around in a suit to show who the driver is in our camp)

We have an additional 15 and a new 20 now and treat them the same along with the gloves and boots.

I hope it never becomes a requirement even tho it wouldn't bother me to see a few log books requiring they needed to be cleaned.................JD


>There is no present SCTA/BNI requirement and I'm hoping it is left to our 
>discretion in the long term.
>Recert is required by NHRA, SCCA, and others.  I'm comfortable with the fact 
>that my suit properly stored and used once per year, gets about as much wear 
>on it as most racing suits get in one or two weekends during their season.

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Jul  6 14:32:25 2010
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 14:32:25 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] BMW electric car.
Message-ID: <42B853A1-EEE0-4DEE-9570-E59023227EEF@comcast.net>


From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Jul  6 18:07:49 2010
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 18:07:49 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] BMW electric car
Message-ID: <F75DB636-FE9B-4266-8038-AEEBB4032D5D@comcast.net>


From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Jul  6 18:22:42 2010
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 18:22:42 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: New Police Car ... non LSR
References: <FE9614C7E4F24A80923794471E13DE31@wsadamson.local>
Message-ID: <44173B56-AB07-41B7-AF7F-70E742553547@comcast.net>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Ron Christensen" <ron.christensen at wsapr.com>
> Date: July 6, 2010 4:03:40 PM MDT
> To: wester6935
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Tue Jul  6 19:15:08 2010
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:15:08 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Italian police car
Message-ID: <8ADD42E678A0424A9542A62B9C0312DF@john>

Is this what you intended to post Wes ?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CBgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2
Fwww.n00bsalad.net%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D12074&ei=ONMzTOaLMMOclgect42_Cw&usg
=AFQjCNF5eCQ4grTru9K2mMZ9jLVajiOusw

John

From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Wed Jul  7 06:52:53 2010
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:52:53 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Italian police car
In-Reply-To: <8ADD42E678A0424A9542A62B9C0312DF@john>
References: <8ADD42E678A0424A9542A62B9C0312DF@john>
Message-ID: <E86B117679754E02A9EA827A77050B20@Dell4400>

http://www.n00bsalad.net/showthread.php?t=12074

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From: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:15 PM
To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Italian police car

> Is this what you intended to post Wes ?
>
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CBgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2
> Fwww.n00bsalad.net%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D12074&ei=ONMzTOaLMMOclgect42_Cw&usg
> =AFQjCNF5eCQ4grTru9K2mMZ9jLVajiOusw
>
> John
> _______________________________________________
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Jul  7 07:15:37 2010
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 07:15:37 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: New Police Car
References: <FE9614C7E4F24A80923794471E13DE31@wsadamson.local>
Message-ID: <CC01FCD3-4FE3-412C-969A-7D67D4B9FABA@comcast.net>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Ron Christensen" <ron.christensen at wsapr.com>
> Date: July 6, 2010 4:03:40 PM MDT
> To: <wester6935 at comcast.net>,
> Subject: New Police Car
> 
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Jul  7 07:18:20 2010
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 07:18:20 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: BMW electric car.
References: <42B853A1-EEE0-4DEE-9570-E59023227EEF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F62AD04E-20F5-4CBA-A1CA-3EB1D7EA3397@comcast.net>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Wester Potter <wester6935 at comcast.net>
> Date: July 6, 2010 2:32:25 PM MDT
> To: Dale H Pulju <d.pulju at pahrump.com>, LAND SPEED LIST
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Bcc: Perry Carter <perrycarter at gmail.com>, Thomas L Erekson
<TL-Erekson at wiu.edu>, Thomas Kirkham <thomas at kirkhammotorsports.com>
> Subject: BMW electric car.
>
>
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/109988/latest-electric-car-will-
be-a-bmw-from-the-battery-up;_ylt=AshGvEJkqIRwdKbA0cZOt3y7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTFia
HRzcDUyBHBvcwMxMARzZWMDc3BlY2lhbEZlYXR1cmVzBHNsawNsYXRlc3RlbGVjdHI-?mod=famil
y-autos

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Jul  7 07:35:41 2010
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 07:35:41 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] forwards
Message-ID: <FE0F7CDB-7062-4C4D-B50A-9A8A88CE6517@comcast.net>

Sorry that nothing is coming through.  I'm getting both forwards just fine but
somehow there's something not going through to you.

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Jul  7 09:00:40 2010
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:00:40 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Salt Report
Message-ID: <9DB02E5ABE3B49B2B9CF6127AB22023D@GlenPC>

Larry Volk reports that the salt flats are as good or even better then last
year. The mapping for the long course is done and the two short courses will
be in the same locations. That is good news from one of the hard working
volunteers.

Glen

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Wed Jul  7 17:36:38 2010
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:36:38 +1200
Subject: [Land-speed] Salt Report
In-Reply-To: <9DB02E5ABE3B49B2B9CF6127AB22023D@GlenPC>
References: <9DB02E5ABE3B49B2B9CF6127AB22023D@GlenPC>
Message-ID: <2C81C0EA38B04FFB9E6316B2833A83C1@ChrisHarrisPC>

Glen,
That's great news, we just loaded our roadster into it's shipping container 
headed for Long Beach yesterday.
Harris Family Racing is looking forward to playing with you 'Californy Kids' 
(and others) again this August.
Please everyone, drop by our pit for a one on one catch-up, and buy a T 
shirt or 2 so we can eat................. LOL.
Chris Harris.............NZed.


> Larry Volk reports that the salt flats are as good or even better then 
> last
> year. The mapping for the long course is done and the two short courses 
> will
> be in the same locations. That is good news from one of the hard working
> volunteers.
>
> Glen

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Thu Jul  8 16:44:22 2010
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:44:22 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Salt Report
In-Reply-To: <9DB02E5ABE3B49B2B9CF6127AB22023D@GlenPC>
References: <9DB02E5ABE3B49B2B9CF6127AB22023D@GlenPC>
Message-ID: <BBE7A91A146C457BACA62A50B83A4A9C@VAIO>

Excellent news indeed! Thanks for the update, Glen.

Jim Webb
Chock Full o' Nuts
A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
 
-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
speedtimer at beyondbb.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:01 AM
To: landspeed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] Salt Report

Larry Volk reports that the salt flats are as good or even better then last
year. The mapping for the long course is done and the two short courses will
be in the same locations. That is good news from one of the hard working
volunteers.

Glen
_______________________________________________

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Fri Jul  9 18:52:47 2010
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:52:47 +1200
Subject: [Land-speed] Interesting lakester on ebay.
Message-ID: <B4681C600A0648DE811694CB18C46250@ChrisHarrisPC>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1952-Bonneville-land-speed-SCTA-Lakester-belly
-tank-/350372021914?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Race_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_&hash=item5193
ccc69a#ht_2589wt_941

From dmirror3 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  9 20:30:15 2010
From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:30:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Interesting lakester on ebay.
In-Reply-To: <B4681C600A0648DE811694CB18C46250@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <138854.20194.qm@web58006.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Sakowskimotors is the sellers name. I have no affiliation with the sellers. I
will say that they have some interesting vehicles for sale. 

The lakester is
Ebay item #    350372021914

and now for something completely different,
1960's ItalJet race bike with Sidehack and Dustbin fairing
Ebay item #
350372059990



Dale K
Cleveland OH


 It is the province of knowledge to
speak and it is the privilege of wisdom to listen. 
~ Oliver Wendell Holmes
--- On Fri, 7/9/10, Chris Harris <yesford at clear.net.nz> wrote:

> From: Chris
Harris <yesford at clear.net.nz>
> Subject: [Land-speed] Interesting lakester on
ebay.
> To: "Land speed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, July
9, 2010, 8:52 PM
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1952-Bonneville-land-speed-SCTA-Lakester-belly
>
-tank-/350372021914?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Race_Cars_Not_Street_Legal_&hash=item5193
> ccc69a#ht_2589wt_941
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Wed Jul 14 00:15:24 2010
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:15:24 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] [Fwd: Fw:
 http://www.grouplotus.com/manageshowcase/uploadpassthru/8628.swf]
Message-ID: <4C3D55FC.8010808@wildblue.net>

Hi Gang,

I believe Howard Nafzger sent this to everyone, but because I have been 
following HCCI
via SAE for years and have become totally addicted to the concept, I've 
just got to throw
this around one more time.

Thanks for your patience and sorry if I'm boring anyone,
Bryan





-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Fw: 
http://www.grouplotus.com/manageshowcase/uploadpassthru/8628.swf
Date: 	Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:58:38 -0700
From: 	Howard Nafzger <nafzger at vtc.net>
To: 	<Undisclosed-Recipient:;>



*Subject:* http://www.grouplotus.com/manageshowcase/uploadpassthru/8628.swf

 
http://www.grouplotus.com/manageshowcase/uploadpassthru/8628.swf

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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Jul 14 10:10:15 2010
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:10:15 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] New Indy car proposals
Message-ID: <C1D6282D-14C9-4BF4-AB8A-3D13AB5E73BB@comcast.net>

http://www.indycar.com/

From adin at frontier.net  Tue Jul 20 15:41:32 2010
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:41:32 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Another dream?
Message-ID: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp>

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=22242


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From neil at dbelltech.com  Tue Jul 20 16:36:21 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:36:21 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Another dream?
In-Reply-To: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp>
References: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <970A5999A0264C738C0A39DDFF4BC907@tiger>

David;

A couple of years ago, Andy green drove the JCB twin-engine diesel streamliner
"DieselMax" to a new diesel speed record at Bonneville.



I had an opportunity to talk to Andy and their chief aerodynamicist Ron Ayers
about  that car--


How about this for a push- start vehicle? That's Colin Bond driving.



Their previous absolute speed record holding Mach 1 jet car, Thrust SSC, broke
the sound barrier at the Black Rock Desert in NV. If anyone can do 1,000mph
they can. Both of them are really good guys and their team knows what they are
doing.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:41 PM
To: "LandSpeed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Another dream?

> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=22242
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Tue Jul 20 16:46:10 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:46:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Another dream?
Message-ID: <0E14944D0F9A4002AFB14FED5601D110@tiger>

Dopy me-- I forgot to delete the trailer and also forgot that photos don't
transmit in this e-mail,

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


From: Neil Albaugh
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:36 PM
To: David in Durango ; LandSpeed list
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Another dream?


David;

A couple of years ago, Andy green drove the JCB twin-engine diesel streamliner
"DieselMax" to a new diesel speed record at Bonneville.



I had an opportunity to talk to Andy and their chief aerodynamicist Ron Ayers
about  that car--


How about this for a push- start vehicle? That's Colin Bond driving.



Their previous absolute speed record holding Mach 1 jet car, Thrust SSC, broke
the sound barrier at the Black Rock Desert in NV. If anyone can do 1,000mph
they can. Both of them are really good guys and their team knows what they are
doing.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:41 PM
To: "LandSpeed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Another dream?

> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=22242
>
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From ed at vetteracing.com  Tue Jul 20 21:33:27 2010
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 03:33:27 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Another dream?
Message-ID: <W8316532193288471279683207@webmail31>

Gotta be the heat Neil...................
-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Albaugh [mailto:neil at dbelltech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 03:46 PM
To: 'Neil Albaugh', 'David in Durango', 'LandSpeed list'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Another dream?

Dopy me-- I forgot to delete the trailer and also forgot that photos don't
transmit in this e-mail, Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ From: Neil Albaugh Sent:
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:36 PM To: David in Durango ; LandSpeed list Subject:
Re: [Land-speed] Another dream? David; A couple of years ago, Andy green drove
the JCB twin-engine diesel streamliner "DieselMax" to a new diesel speed
record at Bonneville. I had an opportunity to talk to Andy and their chief
aerodynamicist Ron Ayers about that car-- How about this for a push- start
vehicle? That's Colin Bond driving. Their previous absolute speed record
holding Mach 1 jet car, Thrust SSC, broke the sound barrier at the Black Rock
Desert in NV. If anyone can do 1,000mph they can. Both of them are really good
guys and their team knows what they are doing. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ

From adin at frontier.net  Tue Jul 20 22:00:47 2010
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:00:47 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)
References: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp>
	<970A5999A0264C738C0A39DDFF4BC907@tiger>
Message-ID: <8EFA07641F2746E7A591805A6253E655@ZTxp>

Hi Neil,
Its not that I don't recongnize Mr. Green's past accomplishments.  Nor can I
ignore the possibilities of the team.

It just seems that a 32% (that's 1.3106 times your current record) seems a
little optimistic, don't you think? 32% is what? 1/3 ?

I guess a lot of records are broken by over 30%, I didn't check the books.

Godspeed!
  David;Bonneville.



  I had an opportunity to talk to Andy and their chief aerodynamicist Ron
Ayers about  that car--


  How about this for a push- start vehicle? That's Colin Bond driving.



  Their previous absolute speed record holding Mach 1 jet car, Thrust SSC,
broke the sound barrier at the Black Rock Desert in NV. If anyone can do
1,000mph they can. Both of them are really good guys and their team knows what
they are doing.

  Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

  --------------------------------------------------
  From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:41 PM
  To: "LandSpeed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
  Subject: [Land-speed] Another dream?

  > http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=22242
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Tue Jul 20 22:10:33 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:10:33 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Another dream?
In-Reply-To: <W8316532193288471279683207@webmail31>
References: <W8316532193288471279683207@webmail31>
Message-ID: <94901D3D5E1C48E6BDA2B33A5325DA90@tiger>

Water....water...water.....

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


From: Ed Van Scoy
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:33 PM
To: Neil Albaugh ; David in Durango ; LandSpeed list
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Another dream?


Gotta be the heat Neil...................
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Neil Albaugh [mailto:neil at dbelltech.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 03:46 PM
  To: 'Neil Albaugh', 'David in Durango', 'LandSpeed list'
  Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Another dream?

  Dopy me-- I forgot to delete the trailer and also forgot that photos don't
transmit in this e-mail, Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ From: Neil Albaugh Sent:
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:36 PM To: David in Durango ; LandSpeed list Subject:
Re: [Land-speed] Another dream? David; A couple of years ago, Andy green drove
the JCB twin-engine diesel streamliner "DieselMax" to a new diesel speed
record at Bonneville. I had an opportunity to talk to Andy and their chief
aerodynamicist Ron Ayers about that car-- How about this for a push- start
vehicle? That's Colin Bond driving. Their previous absolute speed record
holding Mach 1 jet car, Thrust SSC, broke the sound barrier at the Black Rock
Desert in NV. If anyone can do 1,000mph they can. Both of them are really good
guys and their team knows what they are doing. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ

From ed at vetteracing.com  Tue Jul 20 22:54:10 2010
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 04:54:10 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Another dream?
Message-ID: <W8793711747167631279688050@webmail20>

You wus, prolly only 108 in Tucson today? Much hotter here in Gilbert ;-)
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Albaugh [mailto:neil at dbelltech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 09:10 PM
To: 'Ed Van Scoy', 'David in Durango', 'LandSpeed list'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Another dream?

Water....water...water.....

Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ


From:Ed Van Scoy
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:33 PM
To:Neil Albaugh ; David in Durango ; LandSpeed list
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Another dream?




Gotta be the heat Neil...................
-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Albaugh [mailto:neil at dbelltech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 03:46 PM
To: 'Neil Albaugh', 'David in Durango', 'LandSpeed list'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Another dream?

Dopy me-- I forgot to delete the trailer and also forgot that photos don't
transmit in this e-mail, Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ From: Neil Albaugh Sent:
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:36 PM To: David in Durango ; LandSpeed list Subject:
Re: [Land-speed] Another dream? David; A couple of years ago, Andy green drove
the JCB twin-engine diesel streamliner "DieselMax" to a new diesel speed
record at Bonneville. I had an opportunity to talk to Andy and their chief
aerodynamicist Ron Ayers about that car-- How about this for a push- start
vehicle? That's Colin Bond driving. Their previous absolute speed record
holding Mach 1 jet car, Thrust SSC, broke the sound barrier at the Black Rock
Desert in NV. If anyone can do 1,000mph they can. Both of them are really good
guys and their team knows what they are doing. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ

From ed at vetteracing.com  Wed Jul 21 10:30:01 2010
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:30:01 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)
Message-ID: <W2967511965195921279729801@webmail27>

Hey Neil, just dawned on me that the "push start vehicle" photo you tried to
attach was probably the bright yellow front-end loader that they had re-geared
to do 60 mph???
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: David in Durango [mailto:adin at frontier.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 09:00 PM
To: 'Neil Albaugh', 'LandSpeed list'
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)

Hi Neil, Its not that I don't recongnize Mr. Green's past accomplishments. Nor
can I ignore the possibilities of the team. It just seems that a 32% (that's
1.3106 times your current record) seems a little optimistic, don't you think?
32% is what? 1/3 ? I guess a lot of records are broken by over 30%, I didn't
check the books. Godspeed! David;Bonneville. I had an opportunity to talk to
Andy and their chief aerodynamicist Ron Ayers about that car-- How about this
for a push- start vehicle? That's Colin Bond driving. Their previous absolute
speed record holding Mach 1 jet car, Thrust SSC, broke the sound barrier at
the Black Rock Desert in NV. If anyone can do 1,000mph they can. Both of them
are really good guys and their team knows what they are doing. Regards, Neil
Tucson,

From neil at dbelltech.com  Wed Jul 21 14:50:11 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:50:11 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <8EFA07641F2746E7A591805A6253E655@ZTxp>
References: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp>
	<970A5999A0264C738C0A39DDFF4BC907@tiger>
	<8EFA07641F2746E7A591805A6253E655@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <DC13ECFCE6D94CD9AC8EC414B4C5D838@tiger>

Your comments are certainly apt, David. The team will undoubtedly need to work
up to those speeds and it may take more than one attempt but they sure have
lots of thrust to work with.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


From: David in Durango
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:00 PM
To: Neil Albaugh ; LandSpeed list


Hi Neil,
Its not that I don't recongnize Mr. Green's past accomplishments.  Nor can I
ignore the possibilities of the team.

It just seems that a 32% (that's 1.3106 times your current record) seems a
little optimistic, don't you think? 32% is what? 1/3 ?

I guess a lot of records are broken by over 30%, I didn't check the books.

Godspeed!
  David;Bonneville.



  I had an opportunity to talk to Andy and their chief aerodynamicist Ron
Ayers about  that car--


  How about this for a push- start vehicle? That's Colin Bond driving.



  Their previous absolute speed record holding Mach 1 jet car, Thrust SSC,
broke the sound barrier at the Black Rock Desert in NV. If anyone can do
1,000mph they can. Both of them are really good guys and their team knows what
they are doing.

  Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

  --------------------------------------------------
  From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:41 PM
  To: "LandSpeed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
  Subject: [Land-speed] Another dream?

  > http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=22242
  >
  >
  > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature
  > database 5296 (20100720) __________
  >
  > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Jul 21 14:53:13 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:53:13 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
Message-ID: <4C475E39.8070700@mayfco.com>

Just sitting here in Pahrump, slowly melting away, and thinking about 
possible future updates to the Sunbeam.  The sunbeams were available 
with an optional and removeable hard top.   So, I am wondering how that 
plays into the modified sports class. And then how in the heck would you 
attach one so that it meets tech safety needs for easy entry and egress 
and other safety considerations.   Could such a top be chopped without 
violating a rule for the car body or other little known condition? 

Now before anbody goes beserk (tiger owners, rules makers, inspectors, 
etc), this is only a topic for discussion. I do not have a hard top, nor 
do I know where I could get one that could be "chopped".  Or anything 
else. Just for fun thnking right now.

But I am interested in thoughts about how th eheck one could attach a 
removeable top such that it could be opened for entry and egress easily. 
I have no clue as to how to even approach that.

Thoughts? Comments? Madness?

mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Jul 21 15:52:34 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:52:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <DC13ECFCE6D94CD9AC8EC414B4C5D838@tiger>
References: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp>
	<970A5999A0264C738C0A39DDFF4BC907@tiger>
	<8EFA07641F2746E7A591805A6253E655@ZTxp>
	<DC13ECFCE6D94CD9AC8EC414B4C5D838@tiger>
Message-ID: <4C476C22.4020904@mayfco.com>

I am sure that their superior British engineering can come up with power 
to over come  nearly double the drag to go from 762 to 1000 mph ( 
caveat...area needs to be considered).  Transonic drag is gonna bee a 
bugger to overcome. Ever see a transonic drag vs speed curve?  Now if 
drag is nearly double and it is likely to be way way more then increased 
thrust needs will be significant. I am sure they can do it, however.  I 
wonder how they are going to over coming rolling resistance?  That also 
goes up as some power function of speed.  Going to be interesting for 
sure.  I hope they can keep all the tires on the ground as they set the 
record. Some manner of objective evidence for that needs to be developed 
as teh shock wave is going to in all likely  obliterate the track marks 
from the wheels.

When are they going to make the first runs and attempt?

mayf

Neil Albaugh wrote:

>Your comments are certainly apt, David. The team will undoubtedly need to work
>up to those speeds and it may take more than one attempt but they sure have
>lots of thrust to work with.
>
>Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>
>
>From: David in Durango
>Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:00 PM
>To: Neil Albaugh ; LandSpeed list
>
>
>Hi Neil,
>Its not that I don't recongnize Mr. Green's past accomplishments.  Nor can I
>ignore the possibilities of the team.
>
>It just seems that a 32% (that's 1.3106 times your current record) seems a
>little optimistic, don't you think? 32% is what? 1/3 ?
>
>I guess a lot of records are broken by over 30%, I didn't check the books.
>
>Godspeed!
>  David;Bonneville.
>
>
>
>  I had an opportunity to talk to Andy and their chief aerodynamicist Ron
>Ayers about  that car--
>
>
>  How about this for a push- start vehicle? That's Colin Bond driving.
>
>
>
>  Their previous absolute speed record holding Mach 1 jet car, Thrust SSC,
>broke the sound barrier at the Black Rock Desert in NV. If anyone can do
>1,000mph they can. Both of them are really good guys and their team knows what
>they are doing.
>
>  Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

From adin at frontier.net  Wed Jul 21 16:20:59 2010
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:20:59 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
References: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp>
	<970A5999A0264C738C0A39DDFF4BC907@tiger>
	<8EFA07641F2746E7A591805A6253E655@ZTxp>
	<DC13ECFCE6D94CD9AC8EC414B4C5D838@tiger>
Message-ID: <F138FFE255654EF093175E889CF957C2@ZTxp>

I'm sure we'll all be VERY interested in the show. and no doubt some of will
learn a few things? (Like whatever the heck transonic drag is - I can guess
hahaha).

Let the runs begin!!!
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Neil Albaugh
  To: David in Durango ; LandSpeed list
  Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:50 PM
  Subject: Re: Bloodhound


  Your comments are certainly apt, David. The team will undoubtedly need to
work up to those speeds and it may take more than one attempt but they sure
have lots of thrust to work with.

  Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ





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From ed at vetteracing.com  Wed Jul 21 16:29:51 2010
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:29:51 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
Message-ID: <W51273728061501279751391@webmail49>

The Sundowner Corvette has a "removable" hardtop that has been bolted down.
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 01:53 PM
To: 'LSR'
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question

Just sitting here in Pahrump, slowly melting away, and thinking about possible
future updates to the Sunbeam. The sunbeams were available with an optional
and removeable hard top. So, I am wondering how that plays into the modified
sports class. And then how in the heck would you attach one so that it meets
tech safety needs for easy entry and egress and other safety considerations.
Could such a top be chopped without violating a rule for the car body or other
little known condition? Now before anbody goes beserk (tiger owners, rules
makers, inspectors, etc), this is only a topic for discussion. I do not have a
hard top, nor do I know where I could get one that could be "chopped". Or
anything else. Just for fun thnking right now. But I am interested in thoughts
about how th eheck one could attach a removeable top such that it could be
opened for entry and egress easily. I have no clue as to how to even approach
that. Thoughts? Comments? Madness? mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Jul 21 17:01:23 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:01:23 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
In-Reply-To: <W51273728061501279751391@webmail49>
References: <W51273728061501279751391@webmail49>
Message-ID: <4C477C43.4010000@mayfco.com>

Ed, that is interesting. I will have to track down the car if/when it  
is on the salt and take a good look a it. Corvettes have a longer wheel 
base which makes for an easier solution to the roll cage system and for 
I think, easier ingress and exiting. Just an "I think" though as I am 
only speculation and thinking out loud.  I was thinking about a roll bar 
hoop just behind the windshield frame to which the hard top could  be 
hinged so that it lifted from the rear.  Some kind of lever actuated 
latch to hold the rear down and a gas shock to lift the top. Again, just 
thinking out loud.  I have no idea how to implement something this 
complicated. 

How is the Hot down your way?  Has been fairly miserable here in 
Pahrumpland:  temps in the ranges of 113 - 115 give or take a few.  
Fortunately no humidity to speak of.

Please say a Hello to Mz Linda for us?  

Headed for WOS on the 13th of Sept.

mayf

Ed Van Scoy wrote:

> The Sundowner Corvette has a "removable" hardtop that has been bolted 
> down.
> Ed
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com]
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 01:53 PM
>     *To:* 'LSR'
>     *Subject:* [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
>
>     Just sitting here in Pahrump, slowly melting away, and thinking
>     about possible future updates to the Sunbeam. The sunbeams were
>     available with an optional and removeable hard top. So, I am
>     wondering how that plays into the modified sports class. And then
>     how in the heck would you attach one so that it meets tech safety
>     needs for easy entry and egress and other safety considerations.
>     Could such a top be chopped without violating a rule for the car
>     body or other little known condition? Now before anbody goes
>     beserk (tiger owners, rules makers, inspectors, etc), this is only
>     a topic for discussion. I do not have a hard top, nor do I know
>     where I could get one that could be "chopped". Or anything else.
>     Just for fun thnking right now. But I am interested in thoughts
>     about how th eheck one could attach a removeable top such that it
>     could be opened for entry and egress easily. I have no clue as to
>     how to even approach that. Thoughts? Comments? Madness? mayf 

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Jul 21 17:28:09 2010
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:28:09 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] worth knowing if it applies to you
Message-ID: <37399FB5-084B-43E0-BD03-9D572888130C@comcast.net>

>From Noria Lube Tips:


Advice for Converting Gearboxes to Synthetics
When converting a gearbox from petroleum to synthetic - regardless of the
synthetic base - it is advisable to thoroughly clean and then flush the
gearbox with a charge of the new base material before putting the unit back in
service. For some synthetics (such as with water soluble PAG oils) this is
simply necessary. For others, such as PAOs, it is just good practice.

From neil at dbelltech.com  Wed Jul 21 17:28:14 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:28:14 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <4C476C22.4020904@mayfco.com>
References: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp>
	<970A5999A0264C738C0A39DDFF4BC907@tiger>
	<8EFA07641F2746E7A591805A6253E655@ZTxp>
	<DC13ECFCE6D94CD9AC8EC414B4C5D838@tiger> <4C476C22.4020904@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <60885F4D85FC408F83CC183BAECF3026@tiger>

Mayf;

Their challenges are sure different than ours-- that's for sure!

I think their first runs are still quite a ways in the future.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:52 PM
To: "Neil Albaugh" <neil at dbelltech.com>
Cc: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>; "LandSpeed list" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Bloodhound

> I am sure that their superior British engineering can come up with power 
> to over come  nearly double the drag to go from 762 to 1000 mph ( 
> caveat...area needs to be considered).  Transonic drag is gonna bee a 
> bugger to overcome. Ever see a transonic drag vs speed curve?  Now if drag 
> is nearly double and it is likely to be way way more then increased thrust 
> needs will be significant. I am sure they can do it, however.  I wonder 
> how they are going to over coming rolling resistance?  That also goes up 
> as some power function of speed.  Going to be interesting for sure.  I 
> hope they can keep all the tires on the ground as they set the record. 
> Some manner of objective evidence for that needs to be developed as teh 
> shock wave is going to in all likely  obliterate the track marks from the 
> wheels.
>
> When are they going to make the first runs and attempt?
>
> mayf
>
> Neil Albaugh wrote:
>
>>Your comments are certainly apt, David. The team will undoubtedly need to 
>>work
>>up to those speeds and it may take more than one attempt but they sure 
>>have
>>lots of thrust to work with.
>>
>>Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>>
>>
>>From: David in Durango
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:00 PM
>>To: Neil Albaugh ; LandSpeed list
>>
>>
>>Hi Neil,
>>Its not that I don't recongnize Mr. Green's past accomplishments.  Nor can 
>>I
>>ignore the possibilities of the team.
>>
>>It just seems that a 32% (that's 1.3106 times your current record) seems a
>>little optimistic, don't you think? 32% is what? 1/3 ?
>>
>>I guess a lot of records are broken by over 30%, I didn't check the books.
>>
>>Godspeed!
>>  David;Bonneville.
>>
>>
>>
>>  I had an opportunity to talk to Andy and their chief aerodynamicist Ron
>>Ayers about  that car--
>>
>>
>>  How about this for a push- start vehicle? That's Colin Bond driving.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Their previous absolute speed record holding Mach 1 jet car, Thrust SSC,
>>broke the sound barrier at the Black Rock Desert in NV. If anyone can do
>>1,000mph they can. Both of them are really good guys and their team knows 
>>what
>>they are doing.
>>
>>  Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

From neil at dbelltech.com  Wed Jul 21 17:31:19 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:31:19 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
In-Reply-To: <4C475E39.8070700@mayfco.com>
References: <4C475E39.8070700@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <6212D827AFD24649ABCEDF0D9213BB39@tiger>

Mayf;

The way I read the rules, the top must be an original option and can't be 
chopped. How about hinging the top at the rear and swinging it up and to the 
rear? You would need some really foolproof latches on the front to keep it 
closed at speed, though.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:53 PM
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question

> Just sitting here in Pahrump, slowly melting away, and thinking about 
> possible future updates to the Sunbeam.  The sunbeams were available with 
> an optional and removeable hard top.   So, I am wondering how that plays 
> into the modified sports class. And then how in the heck would you attach 
> one so that it meets tech safety needs for easy entry and egress and other 
> safety considerations.   Could such a top be chopped without violating a 
> rule for the car body or other little known condition?
> Now before anbody goes beserk (tiger owners, rules makers, inspectors, 
> etc), this is only a topic for discussion. I do not have a hard top, nor 
> do I know where I could get one that could be "chopped".  Or anything 
> else. Just for fun thnking right now.
>
> But I am interested in thoughts about how th eheck one could attach a 
> removeable top such that it could be opened for entry and egress easily. I 
> have no clue as to how to even approach that.
>
> Thoughts? Comments? Madness?
>
> mayf
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Jul 21 18:00:35 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:00:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
In-Reply-To: <6212D827AFD24649ABCEDF0D9213BB39@tiger>
References: <4C475E39.8070700@mayfco.com>
	<6212D827AFD24649ABCEDF0D9213BB39@tiger>
Message-ID: <4C478A23.9030704@mayfco.com>

Your response is part and partial to why I asked the question. Closed 
cars certainly can  have their tops chopped down. So why would a factory 
option hardtop not be able to be chopped?  That is the question. I would 
want a hinged front just for the reason you mention: coming loose at 
speed.  I don't think this is goin anywhere, just for throught 
experiments, lol...

mayf

Neil Albaugh wrote:

> Mayf;
>
> The way I read the rules, the top must be an original option and can't 
> be chopped. How about hinging the top at the rear and swinging it up 
> and to the rear? You would need some really foolproof latches on the 
> front to keep it closed at speed, though.
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question

From neil at dbelltech.com  Wed Jul 21 19:16:47 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:16:47 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
In-Reply-To: <4C478A23.9030704@mayfco.com>
References: <4C475E39.8070700@mayfco.com>
	<6212D827AFD24649ABCEDF0D9213BB39@tiger> <4C478A23.9030704@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4F6A63A5ADBA4D79B6C113B8938E4581@tiger>

Mayf;

Are you sure you can chop the top and stay in Modified Sports? 

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:00 PM
To: "Neil Albaugh" <neil at dbelltech.com>
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question

> Your response is part and partial to why I asked the question. Closed 
> cars certainly can  have their tops chopped down. So why would a factory 
> option hardtop not be able to be chopped?  That is the question. I would 
> want a hinged front just for the reason you mention: coming loose at 
> speed.  I don't think this is goin anywhere, just for throught 
> experiments, lol...
> 
> mayf
> 
> Neil Albaugh wrote:
> 
>> Mayf;
>>
>> The way I read the rules, the top must be an original option and can't 
>> be chopped. How about hinging the top at the rear and swinging it up 
>> and to the rear? You would need some really foolproof latches on the 
>> front to keep it closed at speed, though.
>>
>> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:53 PM
>> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 21 20:32:25 2010
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:32:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
In-Reply-To: <4F6A63A5ADBA4D79B6C113B8938E4581@tiger>
Message-ID: <135694.67063.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Page 68, section 5.D.4
 
"Windshields may be lowered or removed. Coupe tops may be chopped."
 
The hardtop will be considered as a coupe. As in all things Bonneville, this
has been done before.
 
DW
 
Can't change the stupid font!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
 
 


  

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com> wrote:


From: Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
To: drmayf at mayfco.com
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 6:16 PM


Mayf;

Are you sure you can chop the top and stay in Modified Sports?
Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:00 PM
To: "Neil Albaugh" <neil at dbelltech.com>
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question

> Your response is part and partial to why I asked the question. Closed cars
certainly can  have their tops chopped down. So why would a factory option
hardtop not be able to be chopped?  That is the question. I would want a
hinged front just for the reason you mention: coming loose at speed.  I don't
think this is goin anywhere, just for throught experiments, lol...
>
> mayf
>
> Neil Albaugh wrote:
>
>> Mayf;
>>
>> The way I read the rules, the top must be an original option and can't be
chopped. How about hinging the top at the rear and swinging it up and to the
rear? You would need some really foolproof latches on the front to keep it
closed at speed, though.
>>
>> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:53 PM
>> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Wed Jul 21 20:47:05 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:47:05 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
In-Reply-To: <135694.67063.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <135694.67063.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CC3725D770F940A185C3DAA92F537480@tiger>

Thanks, Dan. OK, Ed-- get out your SawzAll.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ


From: dan warner
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:32 PM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com ; Neil Albaugh
Cc: LSR
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question


      Page 68, section 5.D.4

      "Windshields may be lowered or removed. Coupe tops may be chopped."

      The hardtop will be considered as a coupe. As in all things Bonneville,
this has been done before.

      DW

      Can't change the stupid font!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11





      --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com> wrote:


        From: Neil Albaugh <neil at dbelltech.com>
        Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
        To: drmayf at mayfco.com
        Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
        Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 6:16 PM


        Mayf;

        Are you sure you can chop the top and stay in Modified Sports?
        Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

        --------------------------------------------------
        From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
        Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:00 PM
        To: "Neil Albaugh" <neil at dbelltech.com>
        Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
        Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question

        > Your response is part and partial to why I asked the question.
Closed cars certainly can  have their tops chopped down. So why would a
factory option hardtop not be able to be chopped?  That is the question. I
would want a hinged front just for the reason you mention: coming loose at
speed.  I don't think this is goin anywhere, just for throught experiments,
lol...
        >
        > mayf
        >
        > Neil Albaugh wrote:
        >
        >> Mayf;
        >>
        >> The way I read the rules, the top must be an original option and
can't be chopped. How about hinging the top at the rear and swinging it up and
to the rear? You would need some really foolproof latches on the front to keep
it closed at speed, though.
        >>
        >> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
        >>
        >> --------------------------------------------------
        >> From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
        >> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:53 PM
        >> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
        >> Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Jul 21 21:10:54 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:10:54 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
In-Reply-To: <4F6A63A5ADBA4D79B6C113B8938E4581@tiger>
References: <4C475E39.8070700@mayfco.com>
	<6212D827AFD24649ABCEDF0D9213BB39@tiger> <4C478A23.9030704@mayfco.com>
	<4F6A63A5ADBA4D79B6C113B8938E4581@tiger>
Message-ID: <4C47B6BE.7060001@mayfco.com>

Nope, not sure at all. But when I read the the rule book, first on 
Modifieds, para 5.D  does not say it cannot be done, then in para 5.D.4, 
modified sports,  it just says bodies must not be altered in length 
width or contour.  Next para says coupe tops may be chopped.  Silent on 
removeable hard tops which of course would have to be fastened securely. 
At least one corvette runs with a removeable hard top I have been told.  
Chopped? I dunno. Reason for the questions.    I have a full windshield 
frame which I would also cut down iffn I was to do this, but tis not 
likely.  Don't have a hard top that I could cut up and chop.  But, I 
have no reason to suspect that it is not doable according to the rules.  
I did see one note that says cockpit covering must not inhibit ingress 
or egress though.  Again, tiz why I am asking questions.

Who knows? Just another mayf dumb idea.

mayf
Neil Albaugh wrote:

> Mayf;
>
> Are you sure you can chop the top and stay in Modified Sports?
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:00 PM
> To: "Neil Albaugh" <neil at dbelltech.com>
> Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
>
>> Your response is part and partial to why I asked the question. Closed 
>> cars certainly can  have their tops chopped down. So why would a 
>> factory option hardtop not be able to be chopped?  That is the 
>> question. I would want a hinged front just for the reason you 
>> mention: coming loose at speed.  I don't think this is goin anywhere, 
>> just for throught experiments, lol...
>>
>> mayf
>>
>> Neil Albaugh wrote:
>>
>>> Mayf;
>>>
>>> The way I read the rules, the top must be an original option and 
>>> can't be chopped. How about hinging the top at the rear and swinging 
>>> it up and to the rear? You would need some really foolproof latches 
>>> on the front to keep it closed at speed, though.
>>>
>>> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

From gary_ellen at msn.com  Wed Jul 21 21:54:16 2010
From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:54:16 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
In-Reply-To: <4C475E39.8070700@mayfco.com><6212D827AFD24649ABCEDF0D9213BB39@tiger>
	<4C478A23.9030704@mayfco.com>
References: <4C475E39.8070700@mayfco.com><6212D827AFD24649ABCEDF0D9213BB39@tiger>
	<4C478A23.9030704@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <SNT135-ds79ACE5BFF3532982AB5BDF9A20@phx.gbl>

Mayf
Measure the height of your roll bar, have some one with a hard top measure
that height. Report back which is taller. Are Gurney  bubbles legal?

Gary

From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Jul 22 01:03:47 2010
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:03:47 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Another dream?
Message-ID: <1A24A15DA28B4775A7E5FE30F0238A91@dim8100>

That summer in 2006 had quite a bit of excitement. Before that time no
diesel had ever broken the 300MPH barrier. On one hand you had the JCB
Diesel Max. A multi million dollar publicity and marketing effort by a
British manufacturer with all the best engineering, manufacturing, and
computer horsepower we can only dream of and Andy Green as driver. On the
other hand you had a single handed, retired (70 something) engineer from
Montana with a little (C motor) Cummings trying to be the first to go 300
MPH. Roy Lewis had gone about 270 something (I can't remember exactly) the
year before. During the early part of the week JCB had continual problems.
They had software that wasn't communicating correctly, turbos out of sync
with each other, etc. They waited in the long lines only to have to abort a
run part way through. They moved to the Wendover hanger so they could work
on the car and even used the taxi way to try and sort out issues. Everyone
knew JCB would go 300 that week. It was only a matter of time and who would
be first! The JCB was a AA, two motor streamliner. It wasn't about a class
record but rather which country would break the diesel 300 first. Roy had
made an earlier run that was just under 300. I think it was Monday or
Tuesday that Roy qualified over 300mph. Everyone was pulling for him and he
backed it up with a 306 average the next day. Two days later JCB ran 317.
The next week at the FIA meet they went 350ish. Roy had been working toward
that record for 4 years. There could be no greater contrast between
vehicles. One man's ingenuity and resourcefulness vs. a high powered
manufacturer with the best resources money could buy. They were both winners
in their class. It is the technical diversity, the creative ideas and
talent, as well as the respect, and friendliness, that Makes Speed Week what
it is.

From rbuck at xmission.com  Thu Jul 22 15:19:34 2010
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:19:34 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <4C476C22.4020904@mayfco.com>
References: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp>
	<970A5999A0264C738C0A39DDFF4BC907@tiger>
	<8EFA07641F2746E7A591805A6253E655@ZTxp>
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Message-ID: <4C48B5E6.4090003@xmission.com>

  The question of "how many wheels on the ground" has been discussed 
before and I'm not sure I ever saw a definitive answer.

If a car is presented with 4 wheels but one (or even 2) of them happens 
to lift off the ground during a record run, is the record invalidated?  
It might be seen as somewhat like outrigger (training?) wheels on a bike 
liner.  Some may start with 3 or 4 wheels, but at speed only 2 are in 
contact with the ground at speed.

Just for the sake of argument, let's say that a car like the Bloodhound 
which has 2 front wheels with a much narrower track than the rear, finds 
itself in a state where the front wheels are off the ground for a period 
of time...maybe 100 yards, maybe a mile...???  Would this then 
invalidate an FIA record?  Or could someone protest a record if they 
could show that only the rear wheels we in contact with the ground?  I 
think that's what Mayf's alluded to in the last sentence of his post, 
and it sure seems like a questionable area to me.

RtR
(gonna be on the salt early for SW to photograph course setup)


On 7/21/2010 3:52 PM, drmayf wrote:
> I am sure that their superior British engineering can come up with 
> power to over come  nearly double the drag to go from 762 to 1000 mph 
> ( caveat...area needs to be considered).  Transonic drag is gonna bee 
> a bugger to overcome. Ever see a transonic drag vs speed curve?  Now 
> if drag is nearly double and it is likely to be way way more then 
> increased thrust needs will be significant. I am sure they can do it, 
> however.  I wonder how they are going to over coming rolling 
> resistance?  That also goes up as some power function of speed.  Going 
> to be interesting for sure.  I hope they can keep all the tires on the 
> ground as they set the record. Some manner of objective evidence for 
> that needs to be developed as the shock wave is going to in all 
> likely  obliterate the track marks from the wheels.

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Jul 22 16:20:50 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:20:50 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <4C48B5E6.4090003@xmission.com>
References: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp>
	<970A5999A0264C738C0A39DDFF4BC907@tiger>
	<8EFA07641F2746E7A591805A6253E655@ZTxp>
	<DC13ECFCE6D94CD9AC8EC414B4C5D838@tiger> <4C476C22.4020904@mayfco.com>
	<4C48B5E6.4090003@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <4C48C442.30500@mayfco.com>

Ray, I believe it does indeed invalidate the attempt. With only two 
wheels on the ground it is not a car.   But, money talks.

mayf
Ray Buck wrote:

>  The question of "how many wheels on the ground" has been discussed 
> before and I'm not sure I ever saw a definitive answer.
>
> If a car is presented with 4 wheels but one (or even 2) of them 
> happens to lift off the ground during a record run, is the record 
> invalidated?  It might be seen as somewhat like outrigger (training?) 
> wheels on a bike liner.  Some may start with 3 or 4 wheels, but at 
> speed only 2 are in contact with the ground at speed.
>
> Just for the sake of argument, let's say that a car like the 
> Bloodhound which has 2 front wheels with a much narrower track than 
> the rear, finds itself in a state where the front wheels are off the 
> ground for a period of time...maybe 100 yards, maybe a mile...???  
> Would this then invalidate an FIA record?  Or could someone protest a 
> record if they could show that only the rear wheels we in contact with 
> the ground?  I think that's what Mayf's alluded to in the last 
> sentence of his post, and it sure seems like a questionable area to me.
>
> RtR
> (gonna be on the salt early for SW to photograph course setup)
>
>
> On 7/21/2010 3:52 PM, drmayf wrote:
>
>> I am sure that their superior British engineering can come up with 
>> power to over come  nearly double the drag to go from 762 to 1000 mph 
>> ( caveat...area needs to be considered).  Transonic drag is gonna bee 
>> a bugger to overcome. Ever see a transonic drag vs speed curve?  Now 
>> if drag is nearly double and it is likely to be way way more then 
>> increased thrust needs will be significant. I am sure they can do it, 
>> however.  I wonder how they are going to over coming rolling 
>> resistance?  That also goes up as some power function of speed.  
>> Going to be interesting for sure.  I hope they can keep all the tires 
>> on the ground as they set the record. Some manner of objective 
>> evidence for that needs to be developed as the shock wave is going to 
>> in all likely  obliterate the track marks from the wheels.

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 22 16:25:47 2010
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:25:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <4C48B5E6.4090003@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <600250.88272.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The FIA requires that an automobile, for record purposes, have a minimum of
four wheels in contact with the ground while the vehicle is in the timing
trap.
 
Jack Dolan has mentioned this several times to Franklin while trying to
explain why the Bud Rocket did not set a record.
 
DW


--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Ray Buck <rbuck at xmission.com> wrote:


From: Ray Buck <rbuck at xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
To: drmayf at mayfco.com
Cc: "LandSpeed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 2:19 PM


The question of "how many wheels on the ground" has been discussed before and
I'm not sure I ever saw a definitive answer.

If a car is presented with 4 wheels but one (or even 2) of them happens to
lift off the ground during a record run, is the record invalidated?  It might
be seen as somewhat like outrigger (training?) wheels on a bike liner.  Some
may start with 3 or 4 wheels, but at speed only 2 are in contact with the
ground at speed.

Just for the sake of argument, let's say that a car like the Bloodhound which
has 2 front wheels with a much narrower track than the rear, finds itself in a
state where the front wheels are off the ground for a period of time...maybe
100 yards, maybe a mile...???  Would this then invalidate an FIA record?  Or
could someone protest a record if they could show that only the rear wheels we
in contact with the ground?  I think that's what Mayf's alluded to in the last
sentence of his post, and it sure seems like a questionable area to me.

RtR
(gonna be on the salt early for SW to photograph course setup)


On 7/21/2010 3:52 PM, drmayf wrote:
> I am sure that their superior British engineering can come up with power to
over come  nearly double the drag to go from 762 to 1000 mph ( caveat...area
needs to be considered).  Transonic drag is gonna bee a bugger to overcome.
Ever see a transonic drag vs speed curve?  Now if drag is nearly double and it
is likely to be way way more then increased thrust needs will be significant.
I am sure they can do it, however.  I wonder how they are going to over coming
rolling resistance?  That also goes up as some power function of speed.  Going
to be interesting for sure.  I hope they can keep all the tires on the ground
as they set the record. Some manner of objective evidence for that needs to be
developed as the shock wave is going to in all likely  obliterate the track
marks from the wheels.
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From rbuck at xmission.com  Thu Jul 22 17:54:48 2010
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:54:48 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <4C48C442.30500@mayfco.com>
References: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp>
	<970A5999A0264C738C0A39DDFF4BC907@tiger>
	<8EFA07641F2746E7A591805A6253E655@ZTxp>
	<DC13ECFCE6D94CD9AC8EC414B4C5D838@tiger> <4C476C22.4020904@mayfco.com>
	<4C48B5E6.4090003@xmission.com> <4C48C442.30500@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4C48DA48.1060108@xmission.com>

  This makes for some other interesting (to me anyway) questions.

What about cars where the front wheels are in in-line configuration and 
would only leave one track?  Maybe this is where the money starts to get 
verbose.

Would this only be for FIA records?  How about SCTA?

And how about the John Burk liner that was described as having 
everything in front of the front in-line wheels?  (That one sounds extra 
scary to me.)

RtR

Sent from my Dreadnought using that barely tolerable Thunderbird email program


On 7/22/2010 4:20 PM, drmayf wrote:
> Ray, I believe it does indeed invalidate the attempt. With only two 
> wheels on the ground it is not a car.   But, money talks.
>
> mayf
> Ray Buck wrote:
>
>>  The question of "how many wheels on the ground" has been discussed 
>> before and I'm not sure I ever saw a definitive answer.
>>
>> If a car is presented with 4 wheels but one (or even 2) of them 
>> happens to lift off the ground during a record run, is the record 
>> invalidated?  It might be seen as somewhat like outrigger (training?) 
>> wheels on a bike liner.  Some may start with 3 or 4 wheels, but at 
>> speed only 2 are in contact with the ground at speed.
>>
>> Just for the sake of argument, let's say that a car like the 
>> Bloodhound which has 2 front wheels with a much narrower track than 
>> the rear, finds itself in a state where the front wheels are off the 
>> ground for a period of time...maybe 100 yards, maybe a mile...???  
>> Would this then invalidate an FIA record?  Or could someone protest a 
>> record if they could show that only the rear wheels we in contact 
>> with the ground?  I think that's what Mayf's alluded to in the last 
>> sentence of his post, and it sure seems like a questionable area to me.
>>
>> RtR
>> (gonna be on the salt early for SW to photograph course setup)
>>
>>
>> On 7/21/2010 3:52 PM, drmayf wrote:
>>
>>> I am sure that their superior British engineering can come up with 
>>> power to over come  nearly double the drag to go from 762 to 1000 
>>> mph ( caveat...area needs to be considered).  Transonic drag is 
>>> gonna bee a bugger to overcome. Ever see a transonic drag vs speed 
>>> curve?  Now if drag is nearly double and it is likely to be way way 
>>> more then increased thrust needs will be significant. I am sure they 
>>> can do it, however.  I wonder how they are going to over coming 
>>> rolling resistance?  That also goes up as some power function of 
>>> speed.  Going to be interesting for sure.  I hope they can keep all 
>>> the tires on the ground as they set the record. Some manner of 
>>> objective evidence for that needs to be developed as the shock wave 
>>> is going to in all likely  obliterate the track marks from the wheels.

From rbuck at xmission.com  Thu Jul 22 18:04:00 2010
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:04:00 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <4C48C442.30500@mayfco.com>
References: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp>
	<970A5999A0264C738C0A39DDFF4BC907@tiger>
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Message-ID: <4C48DC70.1070706@xmission.com>

  This makes for some other interesting (to me anyway) questions.

What about cars where the front wheels are in in-line configuration and 
would only leave one track?  Maybe this is where the money starts to get 
verbose.

Would this only be for FIA records?  How about SCTA?

And how about the John Burk liner that was described as having 
everything in front of the front in-line wheels?  (That one sounds extra 
scary to me.)

RtR

Sent from my Dreadnought using that barely tolerable Thunderbird email program


On 7/22/2010 4:20 PM, drmayf wrote:
> Ray, I believe it does indeed invalidate the attempt. With only two 
> wheels on the ground it is not a car.   But, money talks.
>
> mayf
> Ray Buck wrote:
>
>>  The question of "how many wheels on the ground" has been discussed 
>> before and I'm not sure I ever saw a definitive answer.
>>
>> If a car is presented with 4 wheels but one (or even 2) of them 
>> happens to lift off the ground during a record run, is the record 
>> invalidated?  It might be seen as somewhat like outrigger (training?) 
>> wheels on a bike liner.  Some may start with 3 or 4 wheels, but at 
>> speed only 2 are in contact with the ground at speed.
>>
>> Just for the sake of argument, let's say that a car like the 
>> Bloodhound which has 2 front wheels with a much narrower track than 
>> the rear, finds itself in a state where the front wheels are off the 
>> ground for a period of time...maybe 100 yards, maybe a mile...???  
>> Would this then invalidate an FIA record?  Or could someone protest a 
>> record if they could show that only the rear wheels we in contact 
>> with the ground?  I think that's what Mayf's alluded to in the last 
>> sentence of his post, and it sure seems like a questionable area to me.
>>
>> RtR
>> (gonna be on the salt early for SW to photograph course setup)

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Thu Jul 22 18:35:12 2010
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:35:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <600250.88272.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <600250.88272.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C48E3C0.7090401@wildblue.net>

Back in '97 at Black Rock I met an FIA rep whose sole job was to walk
the timed mile
and verify there were four continuous tire/wheel tracks in each
direction. He inspected
the track just before a run and right after a run. No one drove near the
track until he
had cleared it.

dan warner wrote:
> The FIA requires that an automobile, for record purposes, have a minimum of
> four wheels in contact with the ground while the vehicle is in the timing
> trap.
>  
> Jack Dolan has mentioned this several times to Franklin while trying to
> explain why the Bud Rocket did not set a record.
>  
> DW

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Thu Jul 22 19:21:06 2010
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:21:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <600250.88272.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <600250.88272.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C48EE82.40105@wildblue.net>

Back in '97 at Black Rock I met an FIA rep whose sole job was to walk
the timed mile
and verify there were four continuous tire/wheel tracks in each
direction. He inspected
the track just before a run and right after a run. No one drove near the
track until he
had cleared it.

dan warner wrote:
> The FIA requires that an automobile, for record purposes, have a minimum of
> four wheels in contact with the ground while the vehicle is in the timing
> trap.
>  
> Jack Dolan has mentioned this several times to Franklin while trying to
> explain why the Bud Rocket did not set a record.
>  
> DW

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Thu Jul 22 21:27:26 2010
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:27:26 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
Message-ID: <FB259A511DC0455E9F89DFDAD7435ED3@john>

http://www.motorsportsinnovations.com/Bvile-pics/rw-full.jpg
 
> And how about the John Burk liner that was described as having 
> everything in front of the front in-line wheels?  (That one sounds extra 
> scary to me.)

From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Jul 22 23:25:16 2010
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:25:16 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
Message-ID: <24A30201E3AE4E6DA6C4D6F28EB4C77D@dim8100>

John's front wheels are conventionally side-by-side. They are NOT in-line.
The engine is in front of them as you indicated. Learn more about his
innovative design and it may dispel some of your fears.

 

From: Ray Buck rbuck at xmission.com

Edit . . . ) And how about the John Burk liner that was described as having
everything in front of the front in-line wheels?  (That one sounds extra
scary to me.)

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 22 23:31:12 2010
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:31:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
References: <600250.88272.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <25C055BE49C0478BB09F95BA0BB6C0B4@mydf7618c59bbf>

The only place I know where 3 wheels can just take out an opponent is in 
Pinewood Derby. Of course I would never be accused of using any unfair 
advantage.
(2 generations of winners) ..........................


> The FIA requires that an automobile, for record purposes, have a minimum 
> of
> four wheels in contact with the ground while the vehicle is in the timing
> trap.
>
> Jack Dolan has mentioned this several times to Franklin while trying to
> explain why the Bud Rocket did not set a record.
>
> DW

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Fri Jul 23 00:46:22 2010
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:46:22 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <4C48C442.30500@mayfco.com>
References: <9F442D4F3911407C85C1F7198607F8E5@ZTxp><970A5999A0264C738C0A39DDFF4BC907@tiger><8EFA07641F2746E7A591805A6253E655@ZTxp><DC13ECFCE6D94CD9AC8EC414B4C5D838@tiger>
	<4C476C22.4020904@mayfco.com><4C48B5E6.4090003@xmission.com>
	<4C48C442.30500@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <970A32EF5FE64FF2AC9F32FE9AD9D8C6@DaveSatellite>

Well if I build a car with the same track front and rear how can you tell 
what wheel made the track? Second I could argue as a builder that the course 
was not stable enough to withstand the turbulance of the base drag / wake of 
my car at speed and the reason for missing marks. How could FIA contradict 
that? If I was to build a thrust powered anything I certainly would not 
build in any downforce more than needed to maintain control any more will 
just slow me down. I think proof of the tire contact by the methods used are 
not really proof of tires on the ground. Laser ride height gauges might be 
but I could argue there was a very small bump in the poorly prepared course 
that launched the car in the air for some distance. I think the standard of 
all 4 wheels touching the ground 100% of the time a standard impossible to 
enforce and prove. Remember traction control..LOL. Motor racing is not a lab 
experiment with all varibles controlled it is real life stuff happens and I 
think needs to be treated that way but only my opinion and worth 2 cents or 
less no doubt nothing.. FIA would have to disallow any finish by an F1 car 
that ever lifted a wheel during a race and a very common thing if this was 
the standard. The whole big money deal is distressing and seems to be a 
common theme. I think everyone spends 10% more than they can really afford 
and a different number for each so matbe lets get over it. Make any sense? 
Oh well my rants back to bed for me..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
Cc: "LandSpeed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Bloodhound


> Ray, I believe it does indeed invalidate the attempt. With only two wheels 
> on the ground it is not a car.   But, money talks.
>
> mayf
> Ray Buck wrote:
>
>>  The question of "how many wheels on the ground" has been discussed 
>> before and I'm not sure I ever saw a definitive answer.
>>
>> If a car is presented with 4 wheels but one (or even 2) of them happens 
>> to lift off the ground during a record run, is the record invalidated? 
>> It might be seen as somewhat like outrigger (training?) wheels on a bike 
>> liner.  Some may start with 3 or 4 wheels, but at speed only 2 are in 
>> contact with the ground at speed.
>>
>> Just for the sake of argument, let's say that a car like the Bloodhound 
>> which has 2 front wheels with a much narrower track than the rear, finds 
>> itself in a state where the front wheels are off the ground for a period 
>> of time...maybe 100 yards, maybe a mile...???  Would this then invalidate 
>> an FIA record?  Or could someone protest a record if they could show that 
>> only the rear wheels we in contact with the ground?  I think that's what 
>> Mayf's alluded to in the last sentence of his post, and it sure seems 
>> like a questionable area to me.
>>
>> RtR
>> (gonna be on the salt early for SW to photograph course setup)

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Fri Jul 23 01:07:50 2010
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 03:07:50 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <25C055BE49C0478BB09F95BA0BB6C0B4@mydf7618c59bbf>
References: <600250.88272.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<25C055BE49C0478BB09F95BA0BB6C0B4@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <348DE1E1C4D14650B23C0D30F79596F9@DaveSatellite>

A SCTA inspector that is proud to cheat Cub Scouts.. might have kept that 
one to yourself why am I not impressed.. That is one of the sadest stories I 
have heard in a long time.. I bet if you get too much change by an 
inexperieced cashier you keep it.. sigh... Ever hear of the Karma Bank????? 
Bragging about cheating kids just escapes me in every way.. I taught Cub 
Scouts the physics of the cars what works and what does not and why, we had 
the first 5 out of 50 because we met the rules and did have all 4 wheels on 
the track, that is a real win.. Sleep well and I hope you get the drift of 
that. Proud the cheat kids.. sigh.. Give me an honest Mexican landscaper any 
day..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
To: "dan warner" <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "LandSpeed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Bloodhound


> The only place I know where 3 wheels can just take out an opponent is in 
> Pinewood Derby. Of course I would never be accused of using any unfair 
> advantage.
> (2 generations of winners) ..........................

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Fri Jul 23 07:29:07 2010
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:29:07 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
References: <600250.88272.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com><25C055BE49C0478BB09F95BA0BB6C0B4@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<348DE1E1C4D14650B23C0D30F79596F9@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <000e01cb2a6b$07fcb3e0$6501a8c0@Rick>

Sorry Dave, the pinewood derby rule that states that all 4 wheels touching 
the track at all times was just recently created.  Also if you look closely 
different regions of the country have slightly different rules.
My son Jims boys have been big winners in the COS area with one front tire 
barely touching.  This year, big change....and a small change in results.
JD is not a cheater, just able to take advantage of the rules as written.
I suspect his boys grew up to become wonderful, young men with a pretty good 
sense and able to do what is right.

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Fri Jul 23 07:53:51 2010
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:53:51 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <000e01cb2a6b$07fcb3e0$6501a8c0@Rick>
References: <600250.88272.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com><25C055BE49C0478BB09F95BA0BB6C0B4@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<348DE1E1C4D14650B23C0D30F79596F9@DaveSatellite>
	<000e01cb2a6b$07fcb3e0$6501a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <4A42F89F20DC4F33984ADBA7DC188E86@DaveSatellite>

Sure was not the tone that I read into the message and the subject matter 
around it.. There must have been a lot of words left out that were supposed 
to be 'understood' by the reader.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
To: "ddahlgren" <ddahlgren at snet.net>; "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; 
"dan warner" <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "LandSpeed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Bloodhound


> Sorry Dave, the pinewood derby rule that states that all 4 wheels touching 
> the track at all times was just recently created.  Also if you look 
> closely different regions of the country have slightly different rules.
> My son Jims boys have been big winners in the COS area with one front tire 
> barely touching.  This year, big change....and a small change in results.
> JD is not a cheater, just able to take advantage of the rules as written.
> I suspect his boys grew up to become wonderful, young men with a pretty 
> good sense and able to do what is right.

From rbuck at xmission.com  Fri Jul 23 08:38:45 2010
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:38:45 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <24A30201E3AE4E6DA6C4D6F28EB4C77D@dim8100>
References: <24A30201E3AE4E6DA6C4D6F28EB4C77D@dim8100>
Message-ID: <4C49A975.20209@xmission.com>

  John was kind enough to send me a link to some photos of his liner 
project.  You're correct, it was not as it was described to me.  The 
REAR wheels are inline, not the fronts.  I see what he's doing and it's 
a very interesting concept...not unlike the Amo-Steele liner...only 
reversed.  ('Course they use a conventional wheel arrangement with a 
tail-hanger motor...I bleeve for the same reason.)

As I wrote to John last night, although I understand the concept, it 
still looks a bit....uhhh...unusual.  I also told him that it's probably 
why I'm a photographer and not a race car constructor.

RtR

On 7/22/2010 11:25 PM, Kirkwood wrote:
> John's front wheels are conventionally side-by-side. They are NOT in-line.
> The engine is in front of them as you indicated. Learn more about his
> innovative design and it may dispel some of your fears.
>
>
>
> From: Ray Buck rbuck at xmission.com
>
> Edit . . . ) And how about the John Burk liner that was described as having
> everything in front of the front in-line wheels?  (That one sounds extra
> scary to me.)

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Jul 23 08:59:32 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:59:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <FB259A511DC0455E9F89DFDAD7435ED3@john>
References: <FB259A511DC0455E9F89DFDAD7435ED3@john>
Message-ID: <4C49AE54.4010104@mayfco.com>

Folks, this is a better link for lots of photos of John's car.     
http://www.motorsportsinnovations.com/bonneville.htm

Innovation squared, lol!  Many aspects that I am curious about though.

mayf

John Burk wrote:

> http://www.motorsportsinnovations.com/Bvile-pics/rw-full.jpg
>
>> And how about the John Burk liner that was described as having 
>> everything in front of the front in-line wheels?  (That one sounds 
>> extra scary to me.)

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Fri Jul 23 14:18:51 2010
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:18:51 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
Message-ID: <5E75A785469741B0A8251C00504E70DA@john>

The goal was a traction and stability advantage . Mid engine , front wheel 
drive helps only stability but front engine gives both . The true ac is 7" 
behind the cg and the wings keep the rear wheels on the ground . The engine 
is tilted 30 deg to not block the drivers vision . On paper the wings have 
9# drag for 300# down force . The Doug Nash 5 spd is ahead of the inverted 
12 bolt drop out . The driveline goes under the spool  back to the v-drive 
and foreword to the pinion .
John Burk


> Folks, this is a better link for lots of photos of John's car. 
> http://www.motorsportsinnovations.com/bonneville.htm
>
> Innovation squared, lol!  Many aspects that I am curious about though.
>
> mayf
>
> John Burk wrote:
>
>> http://www.motorsportsinnovations.com/Bvile-pics/rw-full.jpg
>>
>>> And how about the John Burk liner that was described as having 
>>> everything in front of the front in-line wheels?  (That one sounds extra 
>>> scary to me.)

From adin at frontier.net  Fri Jul 23 20:57:18 2010
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:57:18 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)
Message-ID: <E9DF46476A3B4F658E4EAF788F1C0A5B@ZTxp>

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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Sat Jul 24 15:32:11 2010
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:32:11 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
Message-ID: <01A845DC3BA84F5BA3D1FF579D2634F6@john>

Mayf
Found the ac by hanging a wooden model from various points and blew air at
it . As far as I know aerodynamic center and center of pressure are
synonymous . The wing drag adds to stability and reduces acceleration a lot
less . Equivalent tail ballast would have eliminated directional stability .
Unless lift is a problem ballast hurts by reducing acceleration while the
car is power limited . For high hp cars that are always traction limited
ballast helps by reduces aero drag as a % of thrust leaving more for
acceleration . LSR is drag racing , acceleration = speed . Front slip , I
think is like under steer in a corner , front lateral slip ends as soon as
the throttle closes , rear later slip doesn't . The nose touches when it
tips 5 deg and I'm not worried about it digging in but staying down could
have been a problem without the wings were added . Old Joe Devine finally
gave up on the 6 ft long nose panels and Joe Timney finished them . I agree
, I like aluminum . I over-optimistically entered this year but it'll be
finish for next year . Thanks for the questions .
John



> John, you say the true ac is 7 inches behind the cg. May I ask how you
> determined the ac?  Why did you choose to add drag to the rear of the car?
> Weight seems to be better in that acceleration of the car is not generally
> an issue. And if I think about the ring and pinion in the car then the
> pinion is always trying to ride up the ring gear and that causes down
> force all by itself.   With regards to the ac ( I am assuming that you are
> talking about the center of pressure), During a run with full traction to
> the wheels then control authority is vested in the friction forces
> steering the car. Aero forces play a small role unil the car looses
> traction and then the wind forces help it weather vane. IMHO,  and that is
> worth not much these days.  I am always concerned when the drive wheels
> are asked to do more than they generally do, especially on a front driver
> with high performance. The tire/surface interaction is being asked to
> provide forward drive traction as well as steering forces and the budget
> for each of these needs to be carefully determined.  One fo the items I
> was wondering about is what happens if the rear tips up a tad. How high
> does it have to go before the nose digs  in? That's a ride I wouldn't want
> to have, lol.  Some of the cars I see have virtually no clearance with the
> surface.  Just some odd thoughts from a quick look and most likely al have
> already been addressed. As I said, very innovative for sure and it will be
> interesting to see it run. When is the launch event? Oh, the coach work
> looks beautiful! Hand forming aluminum is an art and I know nothing about
> it except it looks great.  I can barely use a rattle can to paint with..
>
> Nice job on the car and the mechanical installations.
>
> mayf

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Sat Jul 24 20:32:51 2010
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 22:32:51 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
Message-ID: <67FECD8DFB6F41588ACCE91A4A26D345@john>

Mayf , Wendover is a couple thousand miles but Joe Timney's shop is an hour
away and Maxton is 15 hours  . On paper the load on the rear wheels including
down force is 416# @ 220 mph and 600# @ 330 mph . Will monitor rear ride
height to see if more or less wing pitch is needed . Will be cautious about
marginal crosswinds and heavy breaking at low speeds . Other than those please
say if you see a problem . There have been designs in the past that people
probably doubted like front wheel drive ,"narrow" tread streamliners and
in-line wheels .
John



> John, how far do you have to haul the car to get to SW or WOS? It might
> be worth it to have even a preinspection done. And if you flunk the
> inspection you can get your money back less the prep fees.
>
> We sure come from different schools of thought!  I disagree with several
> things you state but none are worth arguing over, lol. It is your car
> and you are making it to your specs and I suspect it will do just what
> you want it to do.  I would like to see you run it and set a record with
> it! What engine size are you going for?  Current record?
>
> feel a nap coming on..getting old....
>
> mayf

From saltfever at comcast.net  Sun Jul 25 13:54:51 2010
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 12:54:51 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
Message-ID: <E205ED04B885472A9C293A6C34013129@dim8100>

IIRC, and that is questionable, I think Jack had some high molecular weight
material attached along the bottom edges of his flat bottom motorcycle. As
far as I know, it worked out fine. Some strips of that stuff, attached to
the bottom of your nose piece, might added some insurance. 

 

From: "John Burk"

Edit . . .  On paper the load on the rear wheels including down force is
416# @ 220 mph and 600# @ 330 mph . Will monitor rear ride height to see if
more or less wing pitch is needed . 

Edit . . . The nose touches when it tips 5 deg . . . 

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sun Jul 25 15:28:00 2010
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:28:00 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <67FECD8DFB6F41588ACCE91A4A26D345@john>
References: <67FECD8DFB6F41588ACCE91A4A26D345@john>
Message-ID: <AC9B899FA97546E2830BD4E9DF58FA00@GlenPC>

There are several front wheel drive cars running at the lakes and on the 
salt. Any new car will
be watched to assure the vehicle handles as well as the driver getting some 
seat time so he has a feel
for it. There is a team that over sees and follows them down the course to 
observe and talk to the drivers
after the test run.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Bloodhound


> Mayf , Wendover is a couple thousand miles but Joe Timney's shop is an 
> hour
> away and Maxton is 15 hours  . On paper the load on the rear wheels 
> including
> down force is 416# @ 220 mph and 600# @ 330 mph . Will monitor rear ride
> height to see if more or less wing pitch is needed . Will be cautious 
> about
> marginal crosswinds and heavy breaking at low speeds . Other than those 
> please
> say if you see a problem . There have been designs in the past that people
> probably doubted like front wheel drive ,"narrow" tread streamliners and
> in-line wheels .
> John
>
>
>
>> John, how far do you have to haul the car to get to SW or WOS? It might
>> be worth it to have even a preinspection done. And if you flunk the
>> inspection you can get your money back less the prep fees.
>>
>> We sure come from different schools of thought!  I disagree with several
>> things you state but none are worth arguing over, lol. It is your car
>> and you are making it to your specs and I suspect it will do just what
>> you want it to do.  I would like to see you run it and set a record with
>> it! What engine size are you going for?  Current record?
>>
>> feel a nap coming on..getting old....
>>
>> mayf
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Mon Jul 26 13:09:20 2010
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:09:20 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Test
Message-ID: <AD21B9ADCF874421803BB86950E07E70@john>

Test

From ed at vetteracing.com  Tue Jul 27 20:46:26 2010
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:46:26 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question
Message-ID: <W8474317265290971280285186@webmail10>

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Albaugh [mailto:neil at dbelltech.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 04:31 PM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com, 'LSR'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dumb MS car class question

Mayf; The way I read the rules, the top must be an original option and can't
be chopped. How about hinging the top at the rear and swinging it up and to
the rear? You would need some really foolproof latches on the front to keep it
closed at speed, though. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
I used to have a 73 Vette hardtop convertable drag car. One fateful race, I
was just going through the lights and it got awful bright. I thought the Lord
was callin' me home until I realized that the hardtop had blown off....... The
guy in the other lane was driving an 84 Corvette and quite a bit behind. He
said it went straight up about 40 feet, and he (the guy in the 84) passed
right under it before it hit the ground. So yes Neil, OEM latches don't cut
it.
Ed

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Jul 27 22:24:36 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:24:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR Tow Truck Brake Pads
Message-ID: <4C4FB104.5090401@mayfco.com>

Ok, so who makes the very best brake pads for my year 2000 F250 Diesel? 
2wheel drive? Brand names are great, part numebr fantastic. I looked at 
EBC but looks like I will need to rob  the piggy bank to get those...

Suggestions?

mayf 

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Jul 28 08:37:42 2010
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:37:42 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR Tow Truck Brake Pads
In-Reply-To: <4C4FB104.5090401@mayfco.com>
References: <4C4FB104.5090401@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <0B9A9724243442A2AF7D38C7ECBC1589@GlenPC>

I use Wagner semi metallic on my Chevy 3500 work great
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR Tow Truck Brake Pads


> Ok, so who makes the very best brake pads for my year 2000 F250 Diesel? 
> 2wheel drive? Brand names are great, part numebr fantastic. I looked at 
> EBC but looks like I will need to rob  the piggy bank to get those...
>
> Suggestions?
>
> mayf _______________________________________________
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From danhinsch at msn.com  Wed Jul 28 08:59:05 2010
From: danhinsch at msn.com (DAN HINSCH)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:59:05 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR Tow Truck Brake Pads
In-Reply-To: <4C4FB104.5090401@mayfco.com>
References: <4C4FB104.5090401@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <SNT130-w29C74B734529F6B0F7EADB9A80@phx.gbl>

The folks over at "TheDieselStop.com" forum are really great and anything you
ever wanted to know is there.
Powerslot rotors and Hawk LTS pads are a very popular choice, I only have 40k
on my F250 so I haven't tried them yet.

Dan

> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:24:36 -0700
> From: drmayf at mayfco.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] LSR Tow Truck Brake Pads
>
> Ok, so who makes the very best brake pads for my year 2000 F250 Diesel?
> 2wheel drive? Brand names are great, part numebr fantastic. I looked at
> EBC but looks like I will need to rob  the piggy bank to get those...
>
> Suggestions?
>
> mayf

From gary_ellen at msn.com  Wed Jul 28 11:51:02 2010
From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:51:02 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Speek Week pre-entry for sale
Message-ID: <SNT135-w32DBD2861CF0DBCA208C51F9A80@phx.gbl>

Hi, I just had a call from one of our local members.  He needs to sell his
Speed Week pre-entry.  If you need one or know someone who would like it
please contact:
Ken McClure at 801-756-6115
thanks for your help.

Gary & Ellen Wilkinson Utah Salt Flats Racing Association World of Speed,
Sept. 15 - 18, 2010 www.saltflats.com

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu Jul 29 12:03:55 2010
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:03:55 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] BYU E-! 'liner
Message-ID: <51212D24-8729-48D7-8C4C-FC7939BE4BC4@comcast.net>

Jim Burkdoll, USFRA president, was the driver and will drive the car on the
salt at Speed Week for initial high speed testing and at World of Speed where
they hope to set a new E-1 Category record above the current 127 MPH record.

Wes





BYU students build battery-powered race car

Last Update: 7/27 8:55 pm

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SALT LAKE CITY (ABC4 News) - Miller Motorsports Park is use to seeing sleek,
state-of-the-art racing vehicles on its tarmac, but the one that took to the
track Tuesday night may be the fastest and the quietest to date.

Students from BYU's College of Engineering helped design and build a
lightweight, battery-powered streamliner. It's capable of traveling at 180
miles an hour.

The raceway agreed to allow preliminary testing of the streamliner on its
smooth, 3,500 foot straightaway.

The tests will verify that the car handles and stops safely. Such testing is
essential for a vehicle that has less than one inch of ground clearance and a
200-yard turning radius.

BYU Advisor Perry Carter said, "It's hard to live in Utah, not have a race car
and go to the Salt Flats so we did."

The BYU streamliner team will attempt to set a new land speed record in the E1
class during speed week at the Bonneville Salt Flats in August.


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From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Jul 29 19:07:46 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:07:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <E205ED04B885472A9C293A6C34013129@dim8100>
References: <E205ED04B885472A9C293A6C34013129@dim8100>
Message-ID: <06EA8979C570453F9B5305DE4A4FFE37@tiger>

John;

I'm interested in how you plan to monitor your ride height. I've been 
looking at a scheme for doing the same thing.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kirkwood" <saltfever at comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:54 PM
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound

> IIRC, and that is questionable, I think Jack had some high molecular 
> weight
> material attached along the bottom edges of his flat bottom motorcycle. As
> far as I know, it worked out fine. Some strips of that stuff, attached to
> the bottom of your nose piece, might added some insurance.
>
>
>
> From: "John Burk"
>
> Edit . . .  On paper the load on the rear wheels including down force is
> 416# @ 220 mph and 600# @ 330 mph . Will monitor rear ride height to see 
> if
> more or less wing pitch is needed .
>
> Edit . . . The nose touches when it tips 5 deg . . .

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Jul 29 18:57:17 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:57:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bloodhound
In-Reply-To: <01A845DC3BA84F5BA3D1FF579D2634F6@john>
References: <01A845DC3BA84F5BA3D1FF579D2634F6@john>
Message-ID: <AB42D88F8424467A941208E1040ADE51@tiger>

John;

How large is your wing? Just curious.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:32 PM
To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Bloodhound

> Mayf
> Found the ac by hanging a wooden model from various points and blew air at
> it . As far as I know aerodynamic center and center of pressure are
> synonymous . The wing drag adds to stability and reduces acceleration a 
> lot
> less . Equivalent tail ballast would have eliminated directional stability 
> .
> Unless lift is a problem ballast hurts by reducing acceleration while the
> car is power limited . For high hp cars that are always traction limited
> ballast helps by reduces aero drag as a % of thrust leaving more for
> acceleration . LSR is drag racing , acceleration = speed . Front slip , I
> think is like under steer in a corner , front lateral slip ends as soon as
> the throttle closes , rear later slip doesn't . The nose touches when it
> tips 5 deg and I'm not worried about it digging in but staying down could
> have been a problem without the wings were added . Old Joe Devine finally
> gave up on the 6 ft long nose panels and Joe Timney finished them . I 
> agree
> , I like aluminum . I over-optimistically entered this year but it'll be
> finish for next year . Thanks for the questions .
> John

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Jul 29 19:57:45 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:57:45 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR Tow Truck Brake Pads
In-Reply-To: <4C4FB104.5090401@mayfco.com>
References: <4C4FB104.5090401@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <7B0B02107595433E9DE760158D867B79@tiger>

Mayf;

I just replaced the front brake pads on my Dodge 3500 diesel. I used 
CarbonMetallic pads made by Performance Friction. They have a high 
coefficient of friction and are very easy on your rotors. These pads are 
better than most racing pads of only a few years ago.

I bought the pads at Auto Zone and these particular part numbers were being 
phased out of their system so they only cost me $29.95 for the set.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

--------------------------------------------------
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:24 PM
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR Tow Truck Brake Pads

> Ok, so who makes the very best brake pads for my year 2000 F250 Diesel? 
> 2wheel drive? Brand names are great, part numebr fantastic. I looked at 
> EBC but looks like I will need to rob  the piggy bank to get those...
>
> Suggestions?
>
> mayf

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Fri Jul 30 06:32:27 2010
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:32:27 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] first track runs
Message-ID: <906E9591-E9DF-4638-B874-64EE4C536A7C@comcast.net>

Just to whet your appetite for what happens in a couple of weeks ...

http://www.chevyasylum.com/lsr/bsf2010/20100727b/Welcome.html

From rbuck at xmission.com  Fri Jul 30 16:21:57 2010
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:21:57 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] BYU E-! 'liner
In-Reply-To: <51212D24-8729-48D7-8C4C-FC7939BE4BC4@comcast.net>
References: <51212D24-8729-48D7-8C4C-FC7939BE4BC4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C535085.1060408@xmission.com>

  Photos of the proceedings at:
http://www.chevyasylum.com/lsr/bsf2010/20100727b/Welcome.html

Wes tells me he "owes me one" since I (for about the first time ever) 
was able to sneak up and get a shot of him unawares.  He's only done 
that to me a couple dozen times.  But, like he was last time, I was kind 
and didn't shoot for the "extra goofy" look the he so often catches me 
with.  Well, ok.  It ain't hard.

One thing that Jim said was that he was surprised by the acceleration.  
I'm gonna make a coupla SWAGs here and mention that the run was downhill 
(slightly), the car was so damn quiet that it was spooky and someone 
mentioned that an electric motor makes its maximum torque when going 
from a stop to its rated speed.  I think that's the way the put it.

Nonetheless, the little critter moved down the straight pretty quickly.  
Not like the ALMS prototypes that ran there a little bit ago, but pretty 
good, anyway.

I guess we were lucky in that the regularly scheduled 3 pm wind and rain 
squall held off until about 7 pm, so they were able to get a coupla runs 
ans they seemed happy with the results.

RtR

Sent from my Dreadnought using that barely tolerable Thunderbird email program


On 7/29/2010 12:03 PM, Wester Potter wrote:
> Jim Burkdoll, USFRA president, was the driver and will drive the car on the
> salt at Speed Week for initial high speed testing and at World of Speed where
> they hope to set a new E-1 Category record above the current 127 MPH record.
>
> Wes
>
>
>
>
>
> BYU students build battery-powered race car
>
> Last Update: 7/27 8:55 pm
>
> Print Story | ShareThis
> SALT LAKE CITY (ABC4 News) - Miller Motorsports Park is use to seeing sleek,
> state-of-the-art racing vehicles on its tarmac, but the one that took to the
> track Tuesday night may be the fastest and the quietest to date.
>
> Students from BYU's College of Engineering helped design and build a
> lightweight, battery-powered streamliner. It's capable of traveling at 180
> miles an hour.
>
> The raceway agreed to allow preliminary testing of the streamliner on its
> smooth, 3,500 foot straightaway.
>
> The tests will verify that the car handles and stops safely. Such testing is
> essential for a vehicle that has less than one inch of ground clearance and a
> 200-yard turning radius.
>
> BYU Advisor Perry Carter said, "It's hard to live in Utah, not have a race car
> and go to the Salt Flats so we did."
>
> The BYU streamliner team will attempt to set a new land speed record in the E1
> class during speed week at the Bonneville Salt Flats in August.
>
>
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From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 31 02:35:23 2010
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:35:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Subject:  BYU E-! 'liner
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1280512803.22673.land-speed@autox.team.net>
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Subject: [Land-speed] BYU E-! 'liner


I saw BYU testing at Miller Motorsports Park recently. It was awesome! MMP is 
very smooth, the streamliner moved without bumping. It was so quiet some folks 
missed seeing a run! It was still carbon fiber black and was like a black arrow 
going down the track. When the streamliner stopped, I expected a superhero to 
pop out! Speed was limited to about 60 mph as they were using the trailer tire 
instead of the solid aluminum wheels to be used on the Salt.

The Salt Lake electric car club visited the BYU garage recently. I posted some 
pics from the visit on my web page:

http://ExplodingDinosaurs.com/byugarage

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Jul 31 16:11:02 2010
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:11:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Mobil 1 Racing Oils
Message-ID: <4C549F76.6020705@wildblue.net>

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Racing_Oils.aspx


I sure wish this had been available back when I was running..
Reason:
           It eliminates the need to warm up the motor.

1) Lite the motor. 15 seconds
2) Check gages.    10 seconds
3) GO!!                 1 second

In my opinion, anyone who runs the World Finals without this stuff is 
demanding problems.


Bryan

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sat Jul 31 17:39:32 2010
From: neil at dbelltech.com (Neil Albaugh)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:39:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Mobil 1 Racing Oils
In-Reply-To: <4C549F76.6020705@wildblue.net>
References: <4C549F76.6020705@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <9B1AE47147A54E989BCB60B8E0E86D5E@tiger>

Looks like good stuff, Bryan. Whoever wrote the "answers" to their FAQs is a 
nitwit, though.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

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From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 3:11 PM
To: "List Land Speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Mobil 1 Racing Oils

> http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Racing_Oils.aspx
>
>
> I sure wish this had been available back when I was running..
> Reason:
>           It eliminates the need to warm up the motor.
>
> 1) Lite the motor. 15 seconds
> 2) Check gages.    10 seconds
> 3) GO!!                 1 second
>
> In my opinion, anyone who runs the World Finals without this stuff is 
> demanding problems.
>
>
> Bryan