From kturk at adelphia.net  Thu Oct  1 05:55:54 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 06:55:54 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
References: <69DD3152416241A6B7E1783D52DDDAE4@GlenPC>
	<4AC3B858DD4D44C0A714ED01A716F6DC@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <637CCB2BFF394E24A70EDB2D20A301FE@keithhrijwmm4p>

Hey maybe we can revive this then... LOL  

Just a thought...  

K

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Oct  1 08:16:04 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:16:04 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
In-Reply-To: <637CCB2BFF394E24A70EDB2D20A301FE@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <69DD3152416241A6B7E1783D52DDDAE4@GlenPC>
	<4AC3B858DD4D44C0A714ED01A716F6DC@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<637CCB2BFF394E24A70EDB2D20A301FE@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <4AC4B9A4.2080703@mayfco.com>

Keith Turk wrote:

> Hey maybe we can revive this then... LOL 
> Just a thought... 
> K
> _______________________________________________
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>
Most of us have never left. I dislike forum based email so I never go to 
LandRacing.com anyway

mayf

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Thu Oct  1 08:44:59 2009
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:44:59 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
References: <69DD3152416241A6B7E1783D52DDDAE4@GlenPC><4AC3B858DD4D44C0A714ED01A716F6DC@mydf7618c59bbf><637CCB2BFF394E24A70EDB2D20A301FE@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<4AC4B9A4.2080703@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <000601ca42a5$c0eaf0a0$6601a8c0@Rick>

Oh common Doc, not even lurking??????
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down


> Keith Turk wrote:
> 
>> Hey maybe we can revive this then... LOL 
>> Just a thought... 
>> K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>> You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com
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>>
>>
> Most of us have never left. I dislike forum based email so I never go to 
> LandRacing.com anyway
> 
> mayf
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From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Thu Oct  1 08:48:53 2009
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:48:53 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Humor
Message-ID: <000f01ca42a6$518167c0$6601a8c0@Rick>

I cant stand not sending this to you all....
In pharmacology, all drugs have two names, a trade name and generic name.
Example, the trade name is Tylenol and it's generic name is Acetaminophen.
Aleve is also called Naproxen... Amoxil is also called Amoxicillin and Advil
is also called Ibuprofen.



The FDA has been looking for a generic name for Viagra. After careful
consideration by a team of government experts, it recently announced that it
has settled on the generic name of Mycoxafloppin. Also considered were
Mycoxafailin, Mydixadrupin, Mydixarizin, Dixafix, and of course, Ibepokin.





   Pfizer Corp. announced today that Viagra will soon be available in liquid
form, and will be marketed by Pepsi Cola as a power beverage suitable for use
as a mixer. It
will now be possible for a man to literally pour himself a stiff one.
Obviously we can no longer call this a soft drink, and it gives new meaning to
the names of 'cocktails', 'highballs' and just a good old-fashioned 'stiff
drink'. Pepsi will market the new concoction by the name of: MOUNT & DO..



Thought for the day: There is more money being spent
on breast  implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This means
that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and
huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.



In pharmacology, all drugs have two names, a trade name and generic name.
Example, the trade name is Tylenol and it's generic name is Acetaminophen.
Aleve is also called Naproxen... Amoxil is also called Amoxicillin and Advil
is also called Ibuprofen.



The FDA has been looking for a generic name for Viagra. After careful
consideration by a team of government experts, it recently announced that it
has settled on the generic name of Mycoxafloppin. Also considered were
Mycoxafailin, Mydixadrupin, Mydixarizin, Dixafix, and of course, Ibepokin.





   Pfizer Corp. announced today that Viagra will soon be available in liquid
form, and will be marketed by Pepsi Cola as a power beverage suitable for use
as a mixer. It
will now be possible for a man to literally pour himself a stiff one.
Obviously we can no longer call this a soft drink, and it gives new meaning to
the names of 'cocktails', 'highballs' and just a good old-fashioned 'stiff
drink'. Pepsi will market the new concoction by the name of: MOUNT & DO..



Thought for the day: There is more money being spent
on breast  implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This means
that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and
huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Oct  1 09:33:26 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:33:26 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
In-Reply-To: <000601ca42a5$c0eaf0a0$6601a8c0@Rick>
References: <69DD3152416241A6B7E1783D52DDDAE4@GlenPC><4AC3B858DD4D44C0A714ED01A716F6DC@mydf7618c59bbf><637CCB2BFF394E24A70EDB2D20A301FE@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<4AC4B9A4.2080703@mayfco.com> <000601ca42a5$c0eaf0a0$6601a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <4AC4CBC5.2030601@mayfco.com>

Nope, while I do have registered, I can count the number of times I have 
gone to landracing.com on one hand...with fingers missing, lol.  And 
that includes the tme from day one when Jon Amo set the site up.  I have 
and always will prefer the list based system: no ads, I get everything  
and I do not have to search for it through piles of threads leading to 
nowhere.  My take is that web based forum email is just another tool to 
make the owner money.  I don't disparage that, but it is not for me. 
Someone said they have pictures.  Sure, but if you want pictures have 
the taker send them to you ... 99% of  people don't want to see "your" 
pictures anyway (statistics made up on the spot, lol)..

mayf

Rick Byrnes wrote:

> Oh common Doc, not even lurking??????
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
> Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
>
>
>> Keith Turk wrote:
>>
>>> Hey maybe we can revive this then... LOL Just a thought... K
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> Land-speed mailing list
>>>
>>> You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com
>>>
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Most of us have never left. I dislike forum based email so I never go 
>> to LandRacing.com anyway
>>
>> mayf

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:39:26 2009
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug .............)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:39:26 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Humor
In-Reply-To: <000f01ca42a6$518167c0$6601a8c0@Rick>
References: <000f01ca42a6$518167c0$6601a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <SNT108-W1165C8A9477A6EE65E97B4D9D30@phx.gbl>

           SicK Rick   just Sick

   you some kinds sex maniac -er somepin'?    LOL     ;-)




c heers,  'Dirt Track Doug '


   105.4
+ miles south of the world famous 'Syracuse Mile

   241.4
miles north of the Williams Grove Speedway pit gate

   2243.3
or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt Flats



                 but never more
than a few feet from a cold one



===================================================================

> From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:48:53 -0400
> Subject: [Land-speed] Humor
>
> I cant stand not sending this to you all....
> In pharmacology, all drugs have two names, a trade name and generic name.
> Example, the trade name is Tylenol and it's generic name is Acetaminophen.
> Aleve is also called Naproxen... Amoxil is also called Amoxicillin and
Advil
> is also called Ibuprofen.
>
>
>
> The FDA has been looking for a generic name for Viagra. After careful
> consideration by a team of government experts, it recently announced that
it
> has settled on the generic name of Mycoxafloppin. Also considered were
> Mycoxafailin, Mydixadrupin, Mydixarizin, Dixafix, and of course, Ibepokin.
>
>
>
>
>
>    Pfizer Corp. announced today that Viagra will soon be available in
liquid
> form, and will be marketed by Pepsi Cola as a power beverage suitable for
use
> as a mixer. It will now be possible for a man to literally pour himself a
stiff one.
> Obviously we can no longer call this a soft drink, and it gives new meaning
to
> the names of 'cocktails', 'highballs' and just a good old-fashioned 'stiff
> drink'. Pepsi will market the new concoction by the name of: MOUNT & DO..
>
>
>
> Thought for the day:

There is more money being spent on breast  implants and Viagra today than on
Alzheimer's research.
This means  that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with
perky boobs and
 huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.
 		 	   		  
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From jolylance at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  1 10:38:25 2009
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (Joe & Lynne Lance)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:38:25 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Humor
In-Reply-To: <000f01ca42a6$518167c0$6601a8c0@Rick>
References: <000f01ca42a6$518167c0$6601a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <5906EF753EBA46E2B05AACE20EAF36DC@josephb4d4bd9f>

Rick;

I'm looking forward to a possible side benefit of Alzheimer's--a more active
sex life. If I can't remember the last time I did it, I'll do it more often.

Lance

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Byrnes
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:49 AM
To: land Speed List
Subject: [Land-speed] Humor

I cant stand not sending this to you all....
In pharmacology, all drugs have two names, a trade name and generic name.
Example, the trade name is Tylenol and it's generic name is Acetaminophen.
Aleve is also called Naproxen... Amoxil is also called Amoxicillin and Advil
is also called Ibuprofen.



The FDA has been looking for a generic name for Viagra. After careful
consideration by a team of government experts, it recently announced that it
has settled on the generic name of Mycoxafloppin. Also considered were
Mycoxafailin, Mydixadrupin, Mydixarizin, Dixafix, and of course, Ibepokin.





   Pfizer Corp. announced today that Viagra will soon be available in liquid
form, and will be marketed by Pepsi Cola as a power beverage suitable for
use
as a mixer. It
will now be possible for a man to literally pour himself a stiff one.
Obviously we can no longer call this a soft drink, and it gives new meaning
to
the names of 'cocktails', 'highballs' and just a good old-fashioned 'stiff
drink'. Pepsi will market the new concoction by the name of: MOUNT & DO..



Thought for the day: There is more money being spent
on breast  implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This
means
that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs
and
huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 11:31:39 2009
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:31:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
In-Reply-To: <000601ca42a5$c0eaf0a0$6601a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <643509.63077.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Too bad, you miss a lot of information.
 
DW




XanGo, the Whole Fruit Mangosteen Puree!
A natural anti-inflammatory Immune system booster & antioxidant.
http://www.joaniewarner.mymangosteen.com/
1-818-998-4435  Dan and Joanie use XanGo, won't you?
www.mangosteenfruitinfo.com
  

--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com> wrote:


From: Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
To: drmayf at mayfco.com, "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 7:44 AM


Oh common Doc, not even lurking??????
----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down


> Keith Turk wrote:
>
>> Hey maybe we can revive this then... LOL Just a thought... K
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> Land-speed mailing list
>>
>> You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com
>>
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
>>
>>
>>
> Most of us have never left. I dislike forum based email so I never go to
LandRacing.com anyway
>
> mayf
> _______________________________________________
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Land-speed mailing list

You are subscribed as dwarner230 at yahoo.com

http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Oct  1 11:54:07 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 10:54:07 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
In-Reply-To: <643509.63077.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <643509.63077.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AC4ECBF.6000101@mayfco.com>

Probably do. However,  because I am not on the forum, maybe it's 
everybody on the forum that are the ones missing out on information.   
To each his own, lol.

mayf
dan warner wrote:

> Too bad, you miss a lot of information.
>  
> DW
>
> /*XanGo, the Whole Fruit Mangosteen Puree*!/
> /A natural _anti-inflammatory_ Immune system booster & antioxidant./
> /_http://www.joaniewarner.mymangosteen.com/_/
> *1-818-998-4435  Dan and Joanie use XanGo, won't you?*
> /www.mangosteenfruitinfo.com <http://www.mangosteenfruitinfo.com/>/
> /  /
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/1/09, Rick Byrnes /<Rick at RBMotorsports.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
>     To: drmayf at mayfco.com, "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
>     Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>     Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 7:44 AM
>
>     Oh common Doc, not even lurking??????
>     ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com
>     <http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drmayf at mayfco.com>>
>     To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net
>     <http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kturk at adelphia.net>>
>     Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net
>     <http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=landspeed at autox.team.net>"
>     <land-speed at autox.team.net
>     <http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=land-speed at autox.team.net>>
>     Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:16 AM
>     Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
>
>
>     > Keith Turk wrote:
>     >
>     >> Hey maybe we can revive this then... LOL Just a thought... K
>     >> _______________________________________________
>     >> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>     >> Land-speed mailing list
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>     >> You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com
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>     >>
>     >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     > Most of us have never left. I dislike forum based email so I
>     never go to LandRacing.com anyway
>     >
>     > mayf
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Oct  1 16:25:14 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:25:14 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Humor
Message-ID: <002701ca42e6$0c5c7e60$25157b20$@net>

. . . or if you can't remember who you did it with :-)

 

From: "Joe & Lynne Lance"

. . .  (snip)  If I can't remember the last time I did it, I'll do it more
often.

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Thu Oct  1 17:35:09 2009
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:35:09 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Danny Thompson
Message-ID: <000801ca42ef$d127bda0$6601a8c0@Rick>

Danny are you on this list.
Please send me a PM.
Relative to next Tuesday...

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  1 20:09:07 2009
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug .............)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 02:09:07 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
In-Reply-To: <643509.63077.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <000601ca42a5$c0eaf0a0$6601a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <SNT108-W52C93053E65BAD122CF26DD9D20@phx.gbl>

 why,.. I've been wondering where all the good quality lengthy conversations
about "speed' and how to get it" that we used to have on this 'list' had gone
these last couple years.


Am I the only LSR junkie 'out of the loop'?   Thanks guys...



    -------------  'Dirt Track Doug '

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------


> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:31:39 -0700
> From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com
> To: drmayf at mayfco.com; kturk at adelphia.net; Rick at RBMotorsports.com
> CC: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
>
> Too bad, you miss a lot of information.
>
> DW
>
>
>
>
> XanGo, the Whole Fruit Mangosteen Puree!
> A natural anti-inflammatory Immune system booster & antioxidant.
> http://www.joaniewarner.mymangosteen.com/
> 1-818-998-4435  Dan and Joanie use XanGo, won't you?
> www.mangosteenfruitinfo.com
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
> To: drmayf at mayfco.com, "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
> Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 7:44 AM
>
>
> Oh common Doc, not even lurking??????
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
> Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
>
>
> > Keith Turk wrote:
> >
> >> Hey maybe we can revive this then... LOL Just a thought... K
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>
> >> Land-speed mailing list
> >>
> >> You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com
> >>
> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Most of us have never left. I dislike forum based email so I never go to
> LandRacing.com anyway
> >
> > mayf
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Oct  1 20:36:55 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:36:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
References: <000601ca42a5$c0eaf0a0$6601a8c0@Rick>
	<SNT108-W52C93053E65BAD122CF26DD9D20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A991F338E07044CCABB09961C5E74F17@edc2750afa5a84>

Doug --
I think the list has shrunk to a few old die hards.  Not enough new guys 
asking questions.
Text limits and no photos are also a factor especially since Landracing.com 
has no such limits.
And maybe age is catching up.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug ............." <boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com>
To: "LSR Dan Warner_SCTA" <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>; <drmayf at mayfco.com>; 
<kturk at adelphia.net>; <rick at rbmotorsports.com>
Cc: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down


> why,.. I've been wondering where all the good quality lengthy 
> conversations
> about "speed' and how to get it" that we used to have on this 'list' had 
> gone
> these last couple years.

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  2 08:47:00 2009
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug .............)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:47:00 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down? How would / could we ever know????
In-Reply-To: <4AC58E66.608@mayfco.com>
References: <000601ca42a5$c0eaf0a0$6601a8c0@Rick>
	<SNT108-W52C93053E65BAD122CF26DD9D20@phx.gbl>
	<4AC58E66.608@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <SNT108-W113F0B015463B47130E8B3D9D20@phx.gbl>

me too Mayf...


         regards , it's just  'Dirt Track Doug ',    AKA  backwash


   105.4
+ miles south of the world famous 'Syracuse Mile

   241.4
miles north of the Williams Grove Speedway pit gate

   2243.3
or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt Flats



                 but never more
than a few feet from a cold one

===================================================================

> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:23:50 -0700
> From: drmayf at mayfco.com
> To: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com
> CC: dwarner230 at yahoo.com; kturk at adelphia.net; rick at rbmotorsports.com;
land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
>
> Doug, apparently, the really important talks and discussions are on
> landracing.com. LandSpeed has some how been relegated to the backwash
> of  all things salt or dirt.  So, you better join up if you want to stay
> in the loop, or so  I am told.
>
> mayf, who is gonna stick with the land speed list anyway. It brought me
> to the dance.

==================================================================


   why,.. I've been wondering where all the good quality lengthy conversations
about "speed' and how to get it" that we used to have on this 'list' had gone
these last couple years.

          Am I the only LSR junkie 'out of the loop'?   Thanks guys...

                                              -------------     'Dirt Track
Doug '

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
> >
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:31:39 -0700
> > > From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com
> > > To: drmayf at mayfco.com; kturk at adelphia.net; Rick at RBMotorsports.com
> > > CC: land-speed at autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
> > >
> > > Too bad, you miss a lot of information.
> > >
> > > DW


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
> > > To: drmayf at mayfco.com, "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
> > > Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> > > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 7:44 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh common Doc, not even lurking??????


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----


> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> > > To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
> > > Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:16 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
> > >
> > >
> > > > Keith Turk wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hey maybe we can revive this then... LOL Just a thought...    K





 		 	   		  
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Oct  2 10:11:16 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:11:16 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Insulation on Charge Air duct plumbing. (from mayf,
 hit delete  now, lol)
Message-ID: <4AC62624.8050801@mayfco.com>

Since walling in the motor in the Sunbeam, I find that the engine room 
gets quite hot. I will soon be using an ice water-air intercooler and 
that exposes a lot of duct work to the heat. And since it is aluminum it 
will reheat the chilled air to some degree. Anyone out there using 
insulation on their air ducting?  If so, may I ask what it is and where 
to get it and your experience with it?

mayf

From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Fri Oct  2 11:00:03 2009
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:00:03 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Insulation on Charge Air duct plumbing. (from mayf,
 hit delete  now, lol)
In-Reply-To: <4AC62624.8050801@mayfco.com>
References: <4AC62624.8050801@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20D0C9FEB@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

4th post by John Burk may have your answer.....

http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,6456.0.html




-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 12:11 PM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] Insulation on Charge Air duct plumbing. (from
mayf, hit delete now, lol)

Since walling in the motor in the Sunbeam, I find that the engine room
gets quite hot. I will soon be using an ice water-air intercooler and
that exposes a lot of duct work to the heat. And since it is aluminum it
will reheat the chilled air to some degree. Anyone out there using
insulation on their air ducting?  If so, may I ask what it is and where
to get it and your experience with it?

mayf
_______________________________________________

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  2 17:10:29 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:10:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
References: <643509.63077.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4AC4ECBF.6000101@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <22A0CF1330C74B3B9F9AA706A5696817@mydf7618c59bbf>

If you would ask the questiuons there that you ask here: you would 
definately get a lot more answers and ideas. It's definately your loss. good 
luck

> Probably do. However,  because I am not on the forum, maybe it's everybody 
> on the forum that are the ones missing out on information.   To each his 
> own, lol.
>

>
>> Too bad, you miss a lot of information.
>>  DW
>> /  /
>>
>>
>>
>>     Oh common Doc, not even lurking??????

>>
>>
>>     > Keith Turk wrote:
>>     >
>>     >> Hey maybe we can revive this then... LOL Just a thought... K

>>     > Most of us have never left. I dislike forum based email so I
>>     never go to LandRacing.com anyway
>>     >
>>     > mayf

From fosterap at flash.net  Fri Oct  2 20:24:11 2009
From: fosterap at flash.net (Jerry Foster)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:24:11 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
In-Reply-To: <22A0CF1330C74B3B9F9AA706A5696817@mydf7618c59bbf>
References: <643509.63077.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4AC4ECBF.6000101@mayfco.com>
	<22A0CF1330C74B3B9F9AA706A5696817@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <F751752E8B0D4923BC104E1C7B5F84D1@blackhp>

OK........I have a question.  I have my frame upsidedown on the roadster I'm 
building (I know..world's slowest build).  I'm about to install the step 
pan, which is a partial belly pan.  Now, the entire frame/cage is airtight, 
with a lot of brackets welded on, and nothing actually screws or bolts into 
the frame.  Do I screw the pan into the bottom of the frame rails, or should 
I weld on little tabs to attach the pan.  I know you can put a dab of 
silicone on the threads and get a pretty good seal, but I wonder.  I have 
had a lot of help from J. D. and Rich on my build, and I appreciate it.

BTW, my engine goes to the dyno man in about two weeks.  Looking forward to 
being a non-spectator.

Jerry in Dallas




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; "dan warner" <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down


> If you would ask the questiuons there that you ask here: you would 
> definately get a lot more answers and ideas. It's definately your loss. 
> good luck
>
>> Probably do. However,  because I am not on the forum, maybe it's 
>> everybody on the forum that are the ones missing out on information.   To 
>> each his own, lol.
>>
>
>>
>>> Too bad, you miss a lot of information.
>>>  DW
>>> /  /
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Oh common Doc, not even lurking??????
>
>>>
>>>
>>>     > Keith Turk wrote:
>>>     >
>>>     >> Hey maybe we can revive this then... LOL Just a thought... K
>
>>>     > Most of us have never left. I dislike forum based email so I
>>>     never go to LandRacing.com anyway
>>>     >
>>>     > mayf
> _______________________________________________
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From fosterap at flash.net  Fri Oct  2 22:08:48 2009
From: fosterap at flash.net (Jerry Foster)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 23:08:48 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Forgot to mention Sparky
Message-ID: <2A62E382641C4F3CBFFE2AA888C73E86@blackhp>

Forgot to mention that Sparky has been a big help too.  In fact, couple of
weeks ago he helped me take the car apart, and turn the chassis upside down.
Hmmmmmmmmm, we drink beer when he is in town, and I guess it makes me
forgetful.  Jerry in Dallas

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  2 23:22:42 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:22:42 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
References: <643509.63077.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4AC4ECBF.6000101@mayfco.com>
	<22A0CF1330C74B3B9F9AA706A5696817@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<F751752E8B0D4923BC104E1C7B5F84D1@blackhp>
Message-ID: <C5F12E0B2A2E4D1AA18DA3FE47E87EC6@mydf7618c59bbf>

If your frame is 5/16" thick I would tap it with fine thread minimum 1/4". I 
would use button style allen head SS screws. (McMaster-Carr)
If I ever redo my frame I will weld on tabs at least 1/4" thick.    Good 
luck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Foster" <fosterap at flash.net>
To: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; <drmayf at mayfco.com>; "dan warner" 
<dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down


> OK........I have a question.  I have my frame upsidedown on the roadster 
> I'm building (I know..world's slowest build).  I'm about to install the 
> step pan, which is a partial belly pan.  Now, the entire frame/cage is 
> airtight, with a lot of brackets welded on, and nothing actually screws or 
> bolts into the frame.  Do I screw the pan into the bottom of the frame 
> rails, or should I weld on little tabs to attach the pan.  I know you can 
> put a dab of silicone on the threads and get a pretty good seal, but I 
> wonder.  I have had a lot of help from J. D. and Rich on my build, and I 
> appreciate it.
>
> BTW, my engine goes to the dyno man in about two weeks.  Looking forward 
> to being a non-spectator.
>
> Jerry in Dallas
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
> To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; "dan warner" <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
>
>
>> If you would ask the questiuons there that you ask here: you would 
>> definately get a lot more answers and ideas. It's definately your loss. 
>> good luck
>>
>>> Probably do. However,  because I am not on the forum, maybe it's 
>>> everybody on the forum that are the ones missing out on information. 
>>> To each his own, lol.
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Too bad, you miss a lot of information.
>>>>  DW
>>>> /  /
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Oh common Doc, not even lurking??????
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     > Keith Turk wrote:
>>>>     >
>>>>     >> Hey maybe we can revive this then... LOL Just a thought... K
>>
>>>>     > Most of us have never left. I dislike forum based email so I
>>>>     never go to LandRacing.com anyway
>>>>     >
>>>>     > mayf
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> Land-speed mailing list
>>
>> You are subscribed as fosterap at flash.net
>>
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sat Oct  3 08:14:46 2009
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 7:14:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Forgot to mention Sparky
In-Reply-To: <2A62E382641C4F3CBFFE2AA888C73E86@blackhp>
Message-ID: <20091003101446.BTO7C.468688.imail@fed1rmwml46>

JT,  I appreciate the cover story about the beer---I sure as heck wouldn't want to acknowlege--it might be age related!!!!!!!---looking forward to heareing about your dyno experience!!!!!!!!  wmts



---- Jerry Foster <fosterap at flash.net> wrote: 
> Forgot to mention that Sparky has been a big help too.  In fact, couple of
> weeks ago he helped me take the car apart, and turn the chassis upside down.
> Hmmmmmmmmm, we drink beer when he is in town, and I guess it makes me
> forgetful.  Jerry in Dallas

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 09:38:16 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:38:16 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Forgot to mention Sparky
In-Reply-To: <20091003101446.BTO7C.468688.imail@fed1rmwml46>
References: <20091003101446.BTO7C.468688.imail@fed1rmwml46>
Message-ID: <3BB9BE3A-745F-41AC-8182-636934ACE2F6@comcast.net>

Jerry,

I think Sparky likes to cultivate this hard partying image but you  
need to know the truth.  You need to be with Sparky in Vegas during  
the SEMA Show.  Miss Linda has every confidence in his good behavior.   
You know the Vegas motto "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas?"  She  
says  "If the alternative is partying or speed parts I know which  
he'll choose."

Wes

On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:14 AM, <sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:

> JT,  I appreciate the cover story about the beer---I sure as heck  
> wouldn't want to acknowlege--it might be age related!!!!!!!--- 
> looking forward to heareing about your dyno experience!!!!!!!!  wmts
>
>
>
> ---- Jerry Foster <fosterap at flash.net> wrote:
>> Forgot to mention that Sparky has been a big help too.  In fact,  
>> couple of
>> weeks ago he helped me take the car apart, and turn the chassis  
>> upside down.
>> Hmmmmmmmmm, we drink beer when he is in town, and I guess it makes me
>> forgetful.  Jerry in Dallas
> _______________________________________________
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>
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> You are subscribed as wester6935 at comcast.net
>
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From fosterap at flash.net  Sat Oct  3 10:04:19 2009
From: fosterap at flash.net (Jerry Foster)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 11:04:19 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Forgot to mention Sparky
In-Reply-To: <3BB9BE3A-745F-41AC-8182-636934ACE2F6@comcast.net>
References: <20091003101446.BTO7C.468688.imail@fed1rmwml46>
	<3BB9BE3A-745F-41AC-8182-636934ACE2F6@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8631523554ED41B2901694914B291BC3@blackhp>

Yeah, but Wes, when Sparky is here, we have booze, hot rods and old age all 
mixed together.  We don't know what we're doing, but then we don't remember 
what we did.  BTW, Sparky and I grew up 40 miles from one another in east 
Texas, and we are about one
month apart in age.  Also, Dick J is the same age.  I forgot what else I was 
going to say.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>
To: <sparky.2211 at cox.net>
Cc: "Jerry Foster" <fosterap at flash.net>; "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Forgot to mention Sparky


> Jerry,
>
> I think Sparky likes to cultivate this hard partying image but you  need 
> to know the truth.  You need to be with Sparky in Vegas during  the SEMA 
> Show.  Miss Linda has every confidence in his good behavior.   You know 
> the Vegas motto "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas?"  She  says  "If 
> the alternative is partying or speed parts I know which  he'll choose."
>
> Wes
>
> On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:14 AM, <sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> JT,  I appreciate the cover story about the beer---I sure as heck 
>> wouldn't want to acknowlege--it might be age related!!!!!!!--- 
>> looking forward to heareing about your dyno experience!!!!!!!!  wmts
>>
>>
>>
>> ---- Jerry Foster <fosterap at flash.net> wrote:
>>> Forgot to mention that Sparky has been a big help too.  In fact,  couple 
>>> of
>>> weeks ago he helped me take the car apart, and turn the chassis  upside 
>>> down.
>>> Hmmmmmmmmm, we drink beer when he is in town, and I guess it makes me
>>> forgetful.  Jerry in Dallas
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> Land-speed mailing list
>>
>> You are subscribed as wester6935 at comcast.net
>>
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From adin at frontier.net  Sat Oct  3 10:49:53 2009
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:49:53 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Forgot to mention Sparky
References: <20091003101446.BTO7C.468688.imail@fed1rmwml46><3BB9BE3A-745F-41AC-8182-636934ACE2F6@comcast.net>
	<8631523554ED41B2901694914B291BC3@blackhp>
Message-ID: <316A2FB0E80C43FBAD0E49304044AC40@ZTxp>

I don't want to give away any "secrets" , but I would treasure more tech 
sessions w/ Sparky!



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Foster" <fosterap at flash.net>
To: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>; <sparky.2211 at cox.net>
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Forgot to mention Sparky


> Yeah, but Wes, when Sparky is here, we have booze, hot rods and old age 
> all mixed together.  We don't know what we're doing, but then we don't 
> remember what we did.  BTW, Sparky and I grew up 40 miles from one another 
> in east Texas, and we are about one
> month apart in age.  Also, Dick J is the same age.  I forgot what else I 
> was going to say.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>
> To: <sparky.2211 at cox.net>
> Cc: "Jerry Foster" <fosterap at flash.net>; "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Forgot to mention Sparky
>
>
>> Jerry,
>>
>> I think Sparky likes to cultivate this hard partying image but you  need 
>> to know the truth.  You need to be with Sparky in Vegas during  the SEMA 
>> Show.  Miss Linda has every confidence in his good behavior.   You know 
>> the Vegas motto "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas?"  She  says  "If 
>> the alternative is partying or speed parts I know which  he'll choose."
>>
>> Wes
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2009, at 8:14 AM, <sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> JT,  I appreciate the cover story about the beer---I sure as heck 
>>> wouldn't want to acknowlege--it might be age related!!!!!!!--- 
>>> looking forward to heareing about your dyno experience!!!!!!!!  wmts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- Jerry Foster <fosterap at flash.net> wrote:
>>>> Forgot to mention that Sparky has been a big help too.  In fact, 
>>>> couple of
>>>> weeks ago he helped me take the car apart, and turn the chassis  upside 
>>>> down.
>>>> Hmmmmmmmmm, we drink beer when he is in town, and I guess it makes me
>>>> forgetful.  Jerry in Dallas
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> Land-speed mailing list
>>>
>>> You are subscribed as wester6935 at comcast.net
>>>
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Oct  3 11:48:01 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:48:01 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Insulation on Charge Air duct plumbing. (from mayf,
 hit delete  now, lol)
In-Reply-To: <4AC62624.8050801@mayfco.com>
References: <4AC62624.8050801@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4AC78E51.9000004@wildblue.net>

Mayf,

How about using a fairly high temperature (400) paint with insulation 
mixed in?
(small glass bubbles)

Bryan


drmayf wrote:
> Since walling in the motor in the Sunbeam, I find that the engine room 
> gets quite hot. I will soon be using an ice water-air intercooler and 
> that exposes a lot of duct work to the heat. And since it is aluminum it 
> will reheat the chilled air to some degree. Anyone out there using 
> insulation on their air ducting?  If so, may I ask what it is and where 
> to get it and your experience with it?
> 
> mayf

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sat Oct  3 11:59:03 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:59:03 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Insulation on Charge Air duct plumbing. (from mayf,
 hit delete  now, lol)
In-Reply-To: <4AC78E51.9000004@wildblue.net>
References: <4AC62624.8050801@mayfco.com>
  <4AC78E51.9000004@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <2EA80DE261C24132B9D388B94B80EC76@DaveSatellite>

Under boost when you actually care the air is moving so fast it really does 
not have time to heat up.. Coating the source of the heat is the better fix 
anyway..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Insulation on Charge Air duct plumbing. (from 
mayf, hit delete now, lol)


> Mayf,
>
> How about using a fairly high temperature (400) paint with insulation 
> mixed in?
> (small glass bubbles)
>
> Bryan
>
>
> drmayf wrote:
>> Since walling in the motor in the Sunbeam, I find that the engine room 
>> gets quite hot. I will soon be using an ice water-air intercooler and 
>> that exposes a lot of duct work to the heat. And since it is aluminum it 
>> will reheat the chilled air to some degree. Anyone out there using 
>> insulation on their air ducting?  If so, may I ask what it is and where 
>> to get it and your experience with it?
>>
>> mayf
> _______________________________________________
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From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Sat Oct  3 12:17:48 2009
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:17:48 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Insulation on Charge Air duct plumbing. (from mayf,
 hit delete  now, lol)
References: <4AC62624.8050801@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <000d01ca4455$d17e1350$6601a8c0@Rick>

Doc
When I was running the Merk with just the air/air charge air cooler, with 
water spray on it, I measured a few temps.  Compressor discharge was hot 
enough that leaving it un insulated actually helped lose about
60degrees f, but after the heat exchanger, insulating was desirable.  I used 
Exhaust wrap, and experimented with water jacket around the 3" tube, and 
found them about the same.  KISS
SO, insulate at least the tubing downstream of the cooler.
I cannot find the actual data and cannot remember the exact numbers, so this 
is my humble opinion.

R 

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From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Sat Oct  3 12:26:50 2009
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:26:50 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
References: <000601ca42a5$c0eaf0a0$6601a8c0@Rick>
	<SNT108-W52C93053E65BAD122CF26DD9D20@phx.gbl>
	<A991F338E07044CCABB09961C5E74F17@edc2750afa5a84>
Message-ID: <001401ca4457$140bed90$6601a8c0@Rick>

I think most of the young folks like the "forum" type format
Personally I pretty much lurk on both and find a reasonable amount of useful 
info on both formats.
I'm just happy we have peers that care to do these web lists and forums.
In the mid 80's specific information was really hard to get.  Best form of 
learning was go to speedweek and look, watch, and listen.
The instant communication of today does help the learning curve.
You haven't lived though till you've been escorted out of impound after 
qualifying.   :-d
See Warner, I didn't say nothin bout you        "really big grin here"

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  3 12:44:37 2009
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 11:44:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
In-Reply-To: <001401ca4457$140bed90$6601a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <40884.52198.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Rick,
 
Not so much of an escort, more like a request(with a possible fix attached).
 
You were back the next day anyway,
DW




XanGo, the Whole Fruit Mangosteen Puree!
A natural anti-inflammatory Immune system booster & antioxidant.
http://www.joaniewarner.mymangosteen.com/
1-818-998-4435  Dan and Joanie use XanGo, won't you?
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--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com> wrote:


From: Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
To: "23weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>, "Doug ............."
<boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com>, "LSR Dan Warner_SCTA" <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>,
drmayf at mayfco.com, kturk at adelphia.net
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 11:26 AM


I think most of the young folks like the "forum" type format
Personally I pretty much lurk on both and find a reasonable amount of useful
info on both formats.
I'm just happy we have peers that care to do these web lists and forums.
In the mid 80's specific information was really hard to get.  Best form of
learning was go to speedweek and look, watch, and listen.
The instant communication of today does help the learning curve.
You haven't lived though till you've been escorted out of impound after
qualifying.   :-d
See Warner, I didn't say nothin bout you        "really big grin here"

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sat Oct  3 13:58:18 2009
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:58:18 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Forgot to mention Sparky
In-Reply-To: <316A2FB0E80C43FBAD0E49304044AC40@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <20091003155818.2XG34.468102.imail@fed1rmwml43>

David the last time I saw you, it was in the parking lot of the Burger King in Kayenta, AZ and I didnt recoqnize you----you were in your PU and not your Miata----before it be came your avatar on landracing.com---
call me when you are down this way again..

---- David in Durango <adin at frontier.net> wrote: 
> I don't want to give away any "secrets" , but I would treasure more tech 
> sessions w/ Sparky!

From saltfever at comcast.net  Sat Oct  3 14:37:00 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:37:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Belly pan
Message-ID: <000301ca4469$42eaf630$c8c0e290$@net>

Jerry I understand your question was more about sealing or corrosion but
here is another slant.  

Your frame is a highly stressed part. However, since you most likely didn't
model it and perform FEA, we haven't a clue as to the magnitude or location
of the highest stress.  Holes can be a STRESS RAISER as well as stop crack
propagation! In your case you don't want to promote cracks! Welding tabs to
the frame would be the safest alternative.  Hint: It is much easier to drill
and tap all the tabs quickly and easily in the drill press before welding to
the frame.

 

From: "Jerry Foster"  Subject: Web site down

(snip . . . ) Do I screw the pan into the bottom of the frame rails, or
should I weld on little tabs to attach the pan.  I know you can put a dab of
silicone on the threads and get a pretty good seal, but I wonder.

From mactem at mebtel.net  Sat Oct  3 17:40:15 2009
From: mactem at mebtel.net (David Anderson)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:40:15 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] website down
Message-ID: <034AA0AAFA2345A18DBCE6E5A3DC67CC@OwnerPC>

Everyday when I come home I open my email and read all the lsr messages.  Its
like touching base with my good friends. I feel like a neophyte compared to
most of you when it comes to mechanical experience and knowledge and I have a
file for all the technical info I read here.  I only seldom put in my two
cents worth, but in any group situation I'm that way.  I also like the
landracing forum for all the technical information and build diaries.  Can't
tell everyone how much I have learned from both sites.  What an education!
I feel a little guilty for being a smewhat non-paticipatory list member
(lurker) but I do feel that everything I know everyone else already knows.  So
its like Rick says, "The instant communication of today does help the learning
curve."

David Anderson

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat Oct  3 18:06:50 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:06:50 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] website down
In-Reply-To: <034AA0AAFA2345A18DBCE6E5A3DC67CC@OwnerPC>
References: <034AA0AAFA2345A18DBCE6E5A3DC67CC@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <8D42449E9A66417D9828ADBC470BF39B@GlenPC>

Dave
You are so right. Thinking back a few years ago when all of the engineers 
had daily meetings and then went to the jobs trying to remember everything, 
taking quick notes hoping you could read etc. Then we started getting 
computers for every engineer and the world got closer. The internal e-mail 
answered a lot of questions and the programs and data shared with everyone 
on the projects. It only grew from there. What a great tool we have. Between 
this site and landracing .com they share many things and make a lot of new 
friendships at our LSR events.

Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Anderson" <mactem at mebtel.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:40 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] website down


> Everyday when I come home I open my email and read all the lsr messages. 
> Its
> like touching base with my good friends. I feel like a neophyte compared 
> to
> most of you when it comes to mechanical experience and knowledge and I 
> have a
> file for all the technical info I read here.  I only seldom put in my two
> cents worth, but in any group situation I'm that way.  I also like the
> landracing forum for all the technical information and build diaries. 
> Can't
> tell everyone how much I have learned from both sites.  What an education!
> I feel a little guilty for being a smewhat non-paticipatory list member
> (lurker) but I do feel that everything I know everyone else already knows. 
> So
> its like Rick says, "The instant communication of today does help the 
> learning
> curve."
>
> David Anderson
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> Land-speed mailing list
>
> You are subscribed as speedtimer at beyondbb.com
>
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From ed at vetteracing.com  Sat Oct  3 20:05:35 2009
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:05:35 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] website down
Message-ID: <W2180228630154671254621935@webmail41>

Remember the "old days" when we had to spend hours (and $$$) on the telephone
trying to get answers to questions?
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com [mailto:speedtimer at beyondbb.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 05:06 PM
To: 'David Anderson', land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] website down

Dave You are so right. Thinking back a few years ago when all of the engineers
had daily meetings and then went to the jobs trying to remember everything,
taking quick notes hoping you could read etc. Then we started getting
computers for every engineer and the world got closer. The internal e-mail
answered a lot of questions and the programs and data shared with everyone on
the projects. It only grew from there. What a great tool we have. Between this
site and landracing .com they share many things and make a lot of new
friendships at our LSR events. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "David
Anderson" To: Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: [Land-speed]
website down > Everyday when I come home I open my email and read all the lsr
messages. > Its > like touching base with my good friends. I feel like a
neophyte compared > to > most of you when it comes to mechanical experience
and knowledge and I > have a > file for all the technical info I read here. I
only seldom put in my two > cents worth, but in any group situation I'm that
way. I also like the > landracing forum for all the technical information and
build diaries. > Can't > tell everyone how much I have learned from both
sites. What an education! > I feel a little guilty for being a smewhat
non-paticipatory list member > (lurker) but I do feel that everything I know
everyone else already knows. > So > its like Rick says, "The instant
communication of today does help the > learning > curve." > > David Anderson

From ed at vetteracing.com  Sat Oct  3 20:11:39 2009
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:11:39 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Truck 720 Info needed
Message-ID: <W2217617924152751254622299@webmail34>

Don't know if this got answered already, but The vehicle is MDT 720 The Hudson Hauler and is owned by Randy Simmons who is a member of the LSRs.

Ed Van Scoy
#128 B/GT Corvette
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Sat Oct  3 22:00:28 2009
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:00:28 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Web site down
References: <40884.52198.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01ca44a7$36e75d40$6601a8c0@Rick>

Yeah, aint it fun?
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: dan warner
  To: 23weldon ; Doug ............. ; drmayf at mayfco.com ; kturk at adelphia.net ;
Rick Byrnes
  Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
  Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 2:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down


        Rick,

        Not so much of an escort, more like a request(with a possible fix
attached).

        You were back the next day anyway,
        DW


        XanGo, the Whole Fruit Mangosteen Puree!
        A natural anti-inflammatory Immune system booster & antioxidant.
        http://www.joaniewarner.mymangosteen.com/
        1-818-998-4435  Dan and Joanie use XanGo, won't you?
        www.mangosteenfruitinfo.com



        --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com> wrote:


          From: Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
          Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Web site down
          To: "23weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>, "Doug ............."
<boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com>, "LSR Dan Warner_SCTA" <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>,
drmayf at mayfco.com, kturk at adelphia.net
          Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
          Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 11:26 AM


          I think most of the young folks like the "forum" type format
          Personally I pretty much lurk on both and find a reasonable amount
of useful info on both formats.
          I'm just happy we have peers that care to do these web lists and
forums.
          In the mid 80's specific information was really hard to get.  Best
form of learning was go to speedweek and look, watch, and listen.
          The instant communication of today does help the learning curve.
          You haven't lived though till you've been escorted out of impound
after qualifying.   :-d
          See Warner, I didn't say nothin bout you        "really big grin
here"

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Sat Oct  3 22:22:39 2009
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:22:39 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Headed to World Finals
Message-ID: <8D3EDBA9B23C4DE0B0C3632362CEACB4@VAIO>

OK, so the Big Red Truck is getting another lease on life and we're headed
to the salt again for World Finals. It looks like the weather shall be grand
(but damn cold for us south Texas folks). We've fixed all the crap we broke
at or before Speedweek. The karma simply said - "Jim, go back and make that
record what it should be." So, we're boxed up and are returning. Leaving
Sunday AM for 2.5 days' drive. So, please if there is any dramatics in the
weather, or if you're just lonely, call my cell at 979 215-1928.

 

Looking forward to seeing everyone!!!

 

Jim Webb

Chock Full o' Nuts

A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From kturk at adelphia.net  Sun Oct  4 02:49:52 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 03:49:52 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Headed to World Finals
References: <8D3EDBA9B23C4DE0B0C3632362CEACB4@VAIO>
Message-ID: <6A7EC356649640E289632647E65BFE00@keithhrijwmm4p>

Very cool Jim...

What's the number your looking for...????

K

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sun Oct  4 07:30:34 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 07:30:34 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Wendover weather.
Message-ID: <D40B08FFE97F4C389BAB59046554251E@GlenPC>

Some rain last night. Mike Waters and team will inspect the salt and should
have a report in a couple of hours. It's 7:30 Utah time.

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Oct  5 07:46:52 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:46:52 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed]  Insulation on Charge Air duct plumbing. (from  mayf,
 hit delete  now, lol)
Message-ID: <4AC9F8CC.5050006@mayfco.com>

Thanks to the few of you who answered I have enough experience and 
suggestions to complete the charge air ducting.  A couple of the 
answers were to prevent the heat from getting to the ducting by 
insulating the source, ie headers. I already have them coated with some 
kind of high heat turbo coating although it is of a poor quality. As one 
said, the air flow is pretty quick and little time is available for 
serious heat transfer. So the first thing I do will be to do nothing and 
watch the charge air temps. If low enough then done...

Again, many thanks to the one who replied!

mayf


*******************************************

Since walling in the motor in the Sunbeam, I find that the engine room
gets quite hot. I will soon be using an ice water-air intercooler and
that exposes a lot of duct work to the heat. And since it is aluminum it
will reheat the chilled air to some degree. Anyone out there using
insulation on their air ducting?  If so, may I ask what it is and where
to get it and your experience with it?

mayf
_______________________________________________

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  7 17:33:36 2009
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:33:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Trailer tie-down
Message-ID: <879505.44633.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I know this subject has been discussed in various places before, but I've
never seen enough opinions one way or the other to make a decision. 

After the race car is loaded on (in) the trailer, is it best to tie it down
from the tires or wheels and axle, leaving the car suspension free to work; or
is it better to winch it down from the frame?  I've even heard of putting jack
stands or big blocks of wood under the frame rails to keep the car suspension
from working while the car is on the trailer. 
 
I've been watching the professional car carrier trucks and I see both systems
in use, although I think the majority of them have the car suspension winched
down really tight, not allowing the car suspension any travel.
 
DickJ
In East Texas

From joetimney at dol.net  Wed Oct  7 20:02:53 2009
From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:02:53 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Trailer tie-down
In-Reply-To: <879505.44633.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <879505.44633.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ACD484D.1000706@dol.net>

Never allow the suspension to work...you are wearing out the shocks. 
Trailers don't have shocks so your car shock is doing double duty.

M&R sells rubber blocks that can be mounted to the trailer to chock the 
frame up, then tie the car down. Blocks of wood transfer the shock to 
the frame, and sometimes break in pieces.
joe

Dick J wrote:
> I know this subject has been discussed in various places before, but I've
> never seen enough opinions one way or the other to make a decision. 
>
> After the race car is loaded on (in) the trailer, is it best to tie it down
> from the tires or wheels and axle, leaving the car suspension free to work; or
> is it better to winch it down from the frame?  I've even heard of putting jack
> stands or big blocks of wood under the frame rails to keep the car suspension
> from working while the car is on the trailer. 
>  
> I've been watching the professional car carrier trucks and I see both systems
> in use, although I think the majority of them have the car suspension winched
> down really tight, not allowing the car suspension any travel.
>  
> DickJ
> In East Texas
> _______________________________________________

From ifixmgs at cox.net  Thu Oct  8 03:59:45 2009
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 5:59:45 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Trailer tie-down
In-Reply-To: <4ACD484D.1000706@dol.net>
Message-ID: <20091008055945.ESZGE.255699.imail@eastrmwml39>

Another point to ponder is bearing oscillation - esp on modern taper bearings. When the suspension is working (especially in a vibration prone environment) and the bearing is not turning, all of the loads are felt in the same two to four points of contact thru range of motion.  And it doesn't take a lot of time or distance for the problem to develop.     Asian car mfgrs had occassional bursts of  warranty problems with wheel bearings until they figured out that the cars were not properly tied down during ship transport.  
Mark C 

---- Joe Timney <joetimney at dol.net> wrote: 
> Never allow the suspension to work...you are wearing out the shocks. 
> Trailers don't have shocks so your car shock is doing double duty.
> 
> M&R sells rubber blocks that can be mounted to the trailer to chock the 
> frame up, then tie the car down. Blocks of wood transfer the shock to 
> the frame, and sometimes break in pieces.
> joe
> 
> Dick J wrote:
> > I know this subject has been discussed in various places before, but I've
> > never seen enough opinions one way or the other to make a decision. 
> >
> > After the race car is loaded on (in) the trailer, is it best to tie it down
> > from the tires or wheels and axle, leaving the car suspension free to work; or
> > is it better to winch it down from the frame?  I've even heard of putting jack
> > stands or big blocks of wood under the frame rails to keep the car suspension
> > from working while the car is on the trailer. 
> >  
> > I've been watching the professional car carrier trucks and I see both systems
> > in use, although I think the majority of them have the car suspension winched
> > down really tight, not allowing the car suspension any travel.
> >  
> > DickJ
> > In East Texas
> > _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
> Land-speed mailing list
> 
> You are subscribed as ifixmgs at cox.net
> 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Thu Oct  8 07:34:06 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 06:34:06 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Trailer tie-down
References: <879505.44633.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ACDEA4E.00000A.04580@D3DP98F1>

I have always tied the tires down front & rear. I have never had a bearing
problem or shock trouble either that I know of. It seems to me that when the
chassis is pulled down, suspension does move much, but the shock throughout
the car is getting brutal. Kinda of reminds me of cars on the salt with, or
with out, suspension. I prefer springs.

Tom

-------Original Message-------

From: Dick J
Date: 10/7/2009 4:57:01 PM
To: lsr list autox
Subject: [Land-speed] Trailer tie-down

I know this subject has been discussed in various places before, but I've
never seen enough opinions one way or the other to make a decision.

After the race car is loaded on (in) the trailer, is it best to tie it down
from the tires or wheels and axle, leaving the car suspension free to work;
or
is it better to winch it down from the frame?  I've even heard of putting
jack
stands or big blocks of wood under the frame rails to keep the car
suspension
from working while the car is on the trailer.

I've been watching the professional car carrier trucks and I see both
systems
in use, although I think the majority of them have the car suspension
winched
down really tight, not allowing the car suspension any travel.

DickJ
In East Texas

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From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 10:52:13 2009
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:52:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Electric Barstool Record 2009
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11572.1254362754.3240.land-speed@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.11572.1254362754.3240.land-speed@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <406530.63798.qm@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I put up a few pics about this year's record fast barstool run on the Salt Flats. Enjoy!

http://explodingdinosaurs.com/saltflats/2009/barstool

From jolylance at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  8 15:26:34 2009
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (Joe & Lynne Lance)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:26:34 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR?  Novel Auto Transmission
Message-ID: <12176F50636B4D0F894BF91F16840BD0@josephb4d4bd9f>

Makes sense to me !!!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o

From dmirror3 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  8 15:47:09 2009
From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:47:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Trailer tie-down
In-Reply-To: <20091008055945.ESZGE.255699.imail@eastrmwml39>
Message-ID: <537189.34048.qm@web58002.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Agreed Mark; Brinneling the bearings, caused by applying shock through the
bearings, essentially denting the bearings.
Picture a hammer repeatedly smacking the balls or tapers on the exact same
spot. The tapered or ball bearing as well as the raceway suffers from the
repeated impacts.
Similar to the flat spot on one's forehead from repeated smacks of amazement.
Dale
Cleveland OH
 

We judge of man's wisdom by his hope. ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, ifixmgs at cox.net <ifixmgs at cox.net> wrote:

From: ifixmgs at cox.net <ifixmgs at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Trailer tie-down
To: "Dick J" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>, "Joe Timney" <joetimney at dol.net>, "LAND
SPEED LIST" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 5:59 AM

Another point to ponder is bearing oscillation - esp on modern taper bearings.
When the suspension is working (especially in a vibration prone environment)
and the bearing is not turning, all of the loads are felt in the same two to
four points of contact thru range of motion.  And it doesn't take a lot of
time or distance for the problem to develop.     Asian car mfgrs had
occassional bursts of  warranty problems with wheel bearings until they
figured out that the cars were not properly tied down during ship transport. 
Mark C

---- Joe Timney <joetimney at dol.net> wrote:
> Never allow the suspension to work...you are wearing out the shocks.
> Trailers don't have shocks so your car shock is doing double duty.
>
> M&R sells rubber blocks that can be mounted to the trailer to chock the
> frame up, then tie the car down. Blocks of wood transfer the shock to
> the frame, and sometimes break in pieces.
> joe
>
> Dick J wrote:
> > I know this subject has been discussed in various places before, but I've
> > never seen enough opinions one way or the other to make a decision.
> >
> > After the race car is loaded on (in) the trailer, is it best to tie it
down
> > from the tires or wheels and axle, leaving the car suspension free to
work; or
> > is it better to winch it down from the frame?  I've even heard of putting
jack
> > stands or big blocks of wood under the frame rails to keep the car
suspension
> > from working while the car is on the trailer.
> > 
> > I've been watching the professional car carrier trucks and I see both
systems
> > in use, although I think the majority of them have the car suspension
winched
> > down really tight, not allowing the car suspension any travel.
> > 
> > DickJ
> > In East Texas
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From fosterap at flash.net  Thu Oct  8 18:32:11 2009
From: fosterap at flash.net (Jerry Foster)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:32:11 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR?  Novel Auto Transmission
In-Reply-To: <12176F50636B4D0F894BF91F16840BD0@josephb4d4bd9f>
References: <12176F50636B4D0F894BF91F16840BD0@josephb4d4bd9f>
Message-ID: <5C8D5654E5D749959F77154D17CD1AA3@blackhp>

Nah.........had one of those.  Once the amulites wear out, you simply cannot 
find replacements.  Jerry


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe & Lynne Lance" <jolylance at earthlink.net>
To: "LAND SPEED @ AUTOX. TEAM" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:26 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR? Novel Auto Transmission


> Makes sense to me !!!
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o
> _______________________________________________

From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Oct  8 19:19:52 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:19:52 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR?  Novel Auto Transmission
References: <12176F50636B4D0F894BF91F16840BD0@josephb4d4bd9f>
	<5C8D5654E5D749959F77154D17CD1AA3@blackhp>
Message-ID: <007001ca487e$9adc2bc0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Yes, Mine ran on smoke. Once the smoke came out of it, it never would work 
again.    Big Ditch Doug

Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] LSR? Novel Auto Transmission


> Nah.........had one of those.  Once the amulites wear out, you simply 
> cannot find replacements.  Jerry

From benn at sonic.net  Thu Oct  8 20:51:10 2009
From: benn at sonic.net (Benn)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:51:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR?  Novel Auto Transmission
References: <12176F50636B4D0F894BF91F16840BD0@josephb4d4bd9f>
	<5C8D5654E5D749959F77154D17CD1AA3@blackhp>
Message-ID: <387F07F92E4D4460BB8573B66879A5FB@BennsDesktop>

Ah, c'mon.   Just purchase a piece of Unitastic-grade uritreide and a good
low-tolerance machlathe and make your own.  I sell plans if you like.
Benn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Foster" <fosterap at flash.net>
To: "Joe & Lynne Lance" <jolylance at earthlink.net>; "LAND SPEED @ AUTOX.TEAM"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] LSR? Novel Auto Transmission


> Nah.........had one of those.  Once the amulites wear out, you simply
> cannot find replacements.  Jerry
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe & Lynne Lance" <jolylance at earthlink.net>
> To: "LAND SPEED @ AUTOX. TEAM" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:26 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] LSR? Novel Auto Transmission
>
>
>> Makes sense to me !!!
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDgQg6bq7o
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From jolylance at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 10 12:11:41 2009
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (Joe & Lynne Lance)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:11:41 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR--RIP  Donna Mae Mims
Message-ID: <5AB870BFA81247CC8F054830304C4298@josephb4d4bd9f>

A local favorite of mine going back to the Yenko days and the original
Cannonball Run

 

Lance

 


http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/postgazette/obituary.aspx?n=donna-mae-mims
<http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/postgazette/obituary.aspx?n=donna-mae-mims
&pid=134114269> &pid=134114269

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sat Oct 10 14:35:32 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:35:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR--RIP  Donna Mae Mims
In-Reply-To: <5AB870BFA81247CC8F054830304C4298@josephb4d4bd9f>
References: <5AB870BFA81247CC8F054830304C4298@josephb4d4bd9f>
Message-ID: <A69EAE3095274712A5A5CF8D47608874@DBTech>

Joe;

I remember seeing Donna Mae race at the old Marlboro Raceway near DC-- her
car, driver's suit, and helmet were all pink; her slogan was "THINK PINK!"
She'll be missed by many folks.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/postgazette/obituary.aspx?n=donna-mae-mims&
pid=134114269


Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe & Lynne Lance
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 11:12 AM
To: LAND SPEED @ AUTOX. TEAM
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR--RIP Donna Mae Mims

A local favorite of mine going back to the Yenko days and the original
Cannonball Run

 

Lance

 


http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/postgazette/obituary.aspx?n=donna-mae-mims
<http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/postgazette/obituary.aspx?n=donna-mae-mims
&pid=134114269> &pid=134114269

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Oct 13 14:47:17 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:47:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes
Message-ID: <4AD4E755.9080906@mayfco.com>

I am relocating my fire bottles to make room for a ice water tank for my 
intercooler. How about some of you  guys sending me a photo (digital, of 
course) of how your fire bottles are mounted. I need ideas right now.. 
running on empty for  inventing new mounts....

I appreciate it advance

mayf

From jdincau at qnet.com  Tue Oct 13 20:03:36 2009
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:03:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] fire bottle clamps
Message-ID: <4D787585A4144FA0B013942D4F7B3A59@denpc>

Mayf,
      Try here near the bottom of the page
http://www.djsafety.com/FireSystems.html

     These guys are in Vegas and treat Bonneville racers right. They could 
cut any design you might want. All you would have to do is drill and tap the 
clamp bolt holes.
http://www.dcwaterjet.com/
Jim 

From lsrvette at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 06:57:55 2009
From: lsrvette at yahoo.com (John Staiger)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:57:55 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes
In-Reply-To: <4AD4E755.9080906@mayfco.com>
References: <4AD4E755.9080906@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <000f01ca4ccd$f7e18880$e7a49980$@com>

Mayf,

I found the aluminum bottle mounts from Pro-werks ( www.chassisshop.com) to
be a good value.  They were easy to attach, very strong, took little space,
did not corrode/rust and most importantly were easy to open and remove the
bottle for its inspection. These mounts are available through many dealers
other than the parent company (chassis shop of Mears, MI).  Check
www.pro-werks.com for their dealer list.

Good luck,

John
569

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:47 PM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes

I am relocating my fire bottles to make room for a ice water tank for my 
intercooler. How about some of you  guys sending me a photo (digital, of 
course) of how your fire bottles are mounted. I need ideas right now.. 
running on empty for  inventing new mounts....

I appreciate it advance

mayf
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From joetimney at dol.net  Wed Oct 14 08:52:52 2009
From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:52:52 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes
In-Reply-To: <000f01ca4ccd$f7e18880$e7a49980$@com>
References: <4AD4E755.9080906@mayfco.com> <000f01ca4ccd$f7e18880$e7a49980$@com>
Message-ID: <4AD5E5C4.7090301@dol.net>

I have 4.0", 4.25",4.375",5.0" and 5.250" diameter clamps, black hard 
coated with two, 25 dia. thru holes and two, drilled and tapped .25-20 
thrd. What size bottles do you have???
You could use a flat plate, mount the bottles and brackets to it, then 
mount the plate.

John Staiger wrote:
> Mayf,
>
> I found the aluminum bottle mounts from Pro-werks ( www.chassisshop.com) to
> be a good value.  They were easy to attach, very strong, took little space,
> did not corrode/rust and most importantly were easy to open and remove the
> bottle for its inspection. These mounts are available through many dealers
> other than the parent company (chassis shop of Mears, MI).  Check
> www.pro-werks.com for their dealer list.
>
> Good luck,
>
> John
> 569
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:47 PM
> To: LSR
> Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes
>
> I am relocating my fire bottles to make room for a ice water tank for my 
> intercooler. How about some of you  guys sending me a photo (digital, of 
> course) of how your fire bottles are mounted. I need ideas right now.. 
> running on empty for  inventing new mounts....
>
> I appreciate it advance
>
> mayf
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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Wed Oct 14 10:03:44 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:03:44 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes
References: <4AD4E755.9080906@mayfco.com>
	<000f01ca4ccd$f7e18880$e7a49980$@com> <4AD5E5C4.7090301@dol.net>
Message-ID: <4AD5F65F.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>

This is just for thought. I found that bolts securing many things on my car
did not stand up to what the car went through the crash. Three 5-pound
bottles were secured as a group by 4 - 1/4" bolts and the oil tank was
mounted with 4 - 5/16 bolts.  Both were striped from the car, shearing the
bolts and tearing loose from the fire bottle actuator cables and oil tank
steel braided hoses. I had Deist aluminum bottle brackets on the bottles
which survived fine, What is interesting is that the Nitrous bottles, which
are much heavier, stayed in place.

Tom

-------Original Message-------

From: Joe Timney
Date: 10/14/2009 7:25:07 AM
Cc: 'LAND SPEED LIST'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes

I have 4.0", 4.25",4.375",5.0" and 5.250" diameter clamps, black hard
coated with two, 25 dia. thru holes and two, drilled and tapped .25-20
thrd. What size bottles do you have???
You could use a flat plate, mount the bottles and brackets to it, then
mount the plate.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg]

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of stampa_girl_line_en.gif]

From neil at dbelltech.com  Wed Oct 14 17:27:43 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:27:43 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes
In-Reply-To: <4AD5F65F.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
References: <4AD4E755.9080906@mayfco.com><000f01ca4ccd$f7e18880$e7a49980$@com>
	<4AD5E5C4.7090301@dol.net> <4AD5F65F.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <D20A7B7582A44180A92D03268ECAA7D3@DBTech>

Tom;

What kind of bolts & nuts were the ones that failed? Were these commercial
Grade 5 or Grade 8? Looking at the markings on the head of each bolt will
tell the story. 

Learning from data like this will be a help in the future to other racers.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:04 AM
To: Joe Timney
Cc: 'LAND SPEED LIST'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes

This is just for thought. I found that bolts securing many things on my car
did not stand up to what the car went through the crash. Three 5-pound
bottles were secured as a group by 4 - 1/4" bolts and the oil tank was
mounted with 4 - 5/16 bolts.  Both were striped from the car, shearing the
bolts and tearing loose from the fire bottle actuator cables and oil tank
steel braided hoses. I had Deist aluminum bottle brackets on the bottles
which survived fine, What is interesting is that the Nitrous bottles, which
are much heavier, stayed in place.

Tom

-------Original Message-------

From: Joe Timney
Date: 10/14/2009 7:25:07 AM
Cc: 'LAND SPEED LIST'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes

I have 4.0", 4.25",4.375",5.0" and 5.250" diameter clamps, black hard
coated with two, 25 dia. thru holes and two, drilled and tapped .25-20
thrd. What size bottles do you have???
You could use a flat plate, mount the bottles and brackets to it, then
mount the plate.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of
faint_grain.jpg]

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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Wed Oct 14 17:35:34 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:35:34 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes
References: <4AD4E755.9080906@mayfco.com><000f01ca4ccd$f7e18880$e7a49980$@com>
	<4AD5E5C4.7090301@dol.net> <4AD5F65F.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
	<D20A7B7582A44180A92D03268ECAA7D3@DBTech>
Message-ID: <4AD66046.000004.04552@TOM-PC>

These were not graded, just common hardware. Never even considered it in
this type of application. Obviously, I should have, but a result of the
crash not the cause.

Tom

-------Original Message-------

From: neil at dbelltech.com
Date: 10/14/09 16:27:44
To: 'Tom Bryant';  'Joe Timney'
Cc: 'LAND SPEED LIST'
Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes

Tom;

What kind of bolts & nuts were the ones that failed? Were these commercial
Grade 5 or Grade 8? Looking at the markings on the head of each bolt will
tell the story.

Learning from data like this will be a help in the future to other racers.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:04 AM
To: Joe Timney
Cc: 'LAND SPEED LIST'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes

This is just for thought. I found that bolts securing many things on my car
did not stand up to what the car went through the crash. Three 5-pound
bottles were secured as a group by 4 - 1/4" bolts and the oil tank was
mounted with 4 - 5/16 bolts.  Both were striped from the car, shearing the
bolts and tearing loose from the fire bottle actuator cables and oil tank
steel braided hoses. I had Deist aluminum bottle brackets on the bottles
which survived fine, What is interesting is that the Nitrous bottles, which
are much heavier, stayed in place.

Tom

-------Original Message-------

From: Joe Timney
Date: 10/14/2009 7:25:07 AM
Cc: 'LAND SPEED LIST'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes

I have 4.0", 4.25",4.375",5.0" and 5.250" diameter clamps, black hard
coated with two, 25 dia. thru holes and two, drilled and tapped .25-20
thrd. What size bottles do you have???
You could use a flat plate, mount the bottles and brackets to it, then
mount the plate.

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Oct 15 08:26:35 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:26:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes
Message-ID: <4AD7311B.5020704@mayfco.com>

Listers, many thanks for the response on fire bottle mounting schemes. I 
now have enough ideas to sustain me through my moment of brain fade...

I will be fabricating my own because just about everything commercial 
required me to make a lot of stuff anyway. 

mayf

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From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:59:47 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] You know who you are ...
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 03:05:30 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:05:30 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Bottle Mounting Schemes
Message-ID: <002f01ca4e3f$d029b1a0$707d14e0$@net>

Tom, I am grateful for your sharing of the information so we can make better
decisions in building a car. I know salient safety requirements enter the
rule book but your comments are more than appreciated. 

Tom Bryant:

. . . Three 5-pound bottles were secured as a group by 4 - 1/4" bolts and
the oil tank was mounted with 4 - 5/16 bolts.  Both were striped from the
car, shearing the bolts and tearing loose from the fire bottle actuator
cables . . . 

From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 19 09:17:28 2009
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Slow Salt Flats Debut Porsche 9Electric
Message-ID: <322144.47497.qm@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I ran my Porsche 9Electric on the Salt Flats! I didn't go very fast,
but it was fun and much was learned. Look for a faster run in 2010.

http://ExplodingDinosaurs.com/9electric/2009saltflats/

[url=http://ExplodingDinosaurs.com/9electric/2009saltflats/]http://ExplodingDinosaurs.com/9electric/2009saltflats/[/url]

From saltfevr at q.com  Mon Oct 19 20:20:48 2009
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:20:48 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Slow Salt Flats Debut Porsche 9Electric
In-Reply-To: <322144.47497.qm@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <322144.47497.qm@web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT126-W30D56CA43A8EA8116F184DC9C00@phx.gbl>

David;



Thanks for sharing your USFRA WOS 130 club experiences. Was occupied watching
over the long course! Bravo,and congrats on your electric dream!

Next year another WOS,and maybe Porsche Club at Millers? !!Congrats!

Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah




> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:17:28 -0700
> From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] Slow Salt Flats Debut Porsche 9Electric
>
> I ran my Porsche 9Electric on the Salt Flats! I didn't go very fast,
> but it was fun and much was learned. Look for a faster run in 2010.
>
> http://ExplodingDinosaurs.com/9electric/2009saltflats/
>
>
[url=http://ExplodingDinosaurs.com/9electric/2009saltflats/]http://ExplodingD
inosaurs.com/9electric/2009saltflats/[/url]
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From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Tue Oct 20 22:24:02 2009
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:24:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] What is a "Penalty Day"? From>JG Magoo
Message-ID: <1231088452.6939591256099042328.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I noticed on page 42 of the December, 2009 issue of Hot Rod Magazine, in a caption connected with the C/Gas Modified Sports Cadillac of Bob Johnson, it states, "...spinning twice and even taking a penalty day." 



What the heck is a 'Penalty Day'? 



JG 

From kturk at adelphia.net  Wed Oct 21 02:55:46 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:55:46 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] What is a "Penalty Day"? From>JG Magoo
References: <1231088452.6939591256099042328.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C41BF954E00430DB2B99C209D5AD5E6@keithhrijwmm4p>

Basically they thought Bob was being a bit to aggressive after the car spun 
just off the starting line.... or acting out in anger...  it was 
questionable, however all agreed it would be best if Bob took a Day off and 
simply chilled out whilst the crew sorted out the issues that were causing 
the car to have issues....   No big deal...

Keith ( if that wasn't the most politically correct thing I've ever wrote... 
it's fairly close to the top ) 

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Oct 21 08:56:14 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:56:14 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] What is a "Penalty Day"? From>JG Magoo
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The car was rolled up in a ball at a later meet. It was blamed on the chute. 
I watched the car at speed week and it was loose every run. Driver,Car. I 
don't know. Good looking car and had the right safety equipment. I think the 
BNI made the right call in setting the driver down for the day.
JMHO
Glen
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Subject: Re: [Land-speed] What is a "Penalty Day"? From>JG Magoo


> Basically they thought Bob was being a bit to aggressive after the car 
> spun just off the starting line.... or acting out in anger...  it was 
> questionable, however all agreed it would be best if Bob took a Day off 
> and simply chilled out whilst the crew sorted out the issues that were 
> causing the car to have issues....   No big deal...
>
> Keith ( if that wasn't the most politically correct thing I've ever 
> wrote... it's fairly close to the top ) 
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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 26 19:18:59 2009
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug .............)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:18:59 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] is the LIST down
Message-ID: <SNT108-W5265066F56D405279A0FA4D9B90@phx.gbl>

  is the LIST down, -or did everyone finally give up on because everyone else
did ?


    just curious....

c heers,  'Dirt Track Doug '

      2243.3
or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt Flats





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From adin at frontier.net  Mon Oct 26 20:28:33 2009
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:28:33 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] is the LIST down
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I'm playing with some stuff in the garage  . . . .

David in Durango
(cornered the market on old ford stuff)



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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:18 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] is the LIST down


>  is the LIST down, -or did everyone finally give up on because everyone 
> else
> did ?
>
>
>    just curious....
>
> c heers,  'Dirt Track Doug '
>
>      2243.3
> or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt Flats
>
>
>
>
>
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From jdincau at qnet.com  Mon Oct 26 20:50:27 2009
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:50:27 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Traps at El Mirage
Message-ID: <18C6F65647CE433DB03FD93B4ABDE29D@denpc>

Settle an argument for me. are the traps at El Mirage before or after the 
finish cones?
Jim in Palmdale 

From jon.the.wise.gdrive at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 22:31:13 2009
From: jon.the.wise.gdrive at gmail.com (Jon Bishop)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:31:13 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] is the LIST down
In-Reply-To: <2E9A9106CA7143C588C1F5E53E97184B@ZTxp>
References: <SNT108-W5265066F56D405279A0FA4D9B90@phx.gbl>
	<2E9A9106CA7143C588C1F5E53E97184B@ZTxp>
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Been working on things. Gotta get the eclipse smogged (which means  
finding CARB OE legal parts, or borrowing stockers), just been working  
bugs outta the Ninja, and jumped outta a perfectly good plane this  
weekend.

~Jon

On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:28 PM, David in Durango wrote:

> I'm playing with some stuff in the garage  . . . .
>
> David in Durango
> (cornered the market on old ford stuff)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug ............." <boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com 
> >
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "LSR Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net 
> >; "LSR Dick Jurkowski" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>; "LSRGlen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com 
> >; "LSR Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>; "LSR Tom Shannon"  
> <saltfevr at q.com>; "LSR Wes Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:18 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] is the LIST down
>
>
>> is the LIST down, -or did everyone finally give up on because  
>> everyone else
>> did ?
>>
>>
>>   just curious....
>>
>> c heers,  'Dirt Track Doug '
>>
>>     2243.3
>> or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt Flats
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From kturk at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 27 01:18:57 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:18:57 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Traps at El Mirage
References: <18C6F65647CE433DB03FD93B4ABDE29D@denpc>
Message-ID: <58DA616F02E04137AFDFB89163D41519@keithhrijwmm4p>

Jim it's my understanding that the Finish line cones are at the back of a 
132' trap there....

Keith 

From kturk at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 27 01:28:06 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:28:06 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Tom Bryant....
Message-ID: <81411C3870394DDFAB85F392101125F2@keithhrijwmm4p>

So I'm running around on Sunday and who to my mystical eyes should
appear...but Margret sporting a raindeer...

Wait... that's not exactly how it went.....   Tonya called me to the
registration Trailer and Tom and Margret are Standing there....  What a
treat... we had a great visit and I got to show them Maxton at it's finest...
great time...  thanks for coming Tom...

K

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Tue Oct 27 06:17:22 2009
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:17:22 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing, testing
Message-ID: <BAA471E3-EFF5-4FE5-B5BD-FAC19BFDB333@nancyandjon.org>

In response to Doug's question -- I'm sending this to the list only --  
to see what happens.  It's a sunny and 42F morning as we drive through  
the Clevelnad area on the way home from Maxton.

Best to all --

Nancy and Jon (a/k/a SSS)

From kturk at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 27 06:45:50 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:45:50 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing, testing
References: <BAA471E3-EFF5-4FE5-B5BD-FAC19BFDB333@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <06D34E453A8A41EDA070836442E96561@keithhrijwmm4p>

one of the upsides to living 550 miles away is we got home last night... 
also one of the down sides.... ( 10hr ) Drive

K
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From: "Jon Wennerberg" <jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org>
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net LIST" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:17 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing, testing


> In response to Doug's question -- I'm sending this to the list only --  to 
> see what happens.  It's a sunny and 42F morning as we drive through  the 
> Clevelnad area on the way home from Maxton.

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Oct 27 07:42:54 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:42:54 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing, testing
In-Reply-To: <BAA471E3-EFF5-4FE5-B5BD-FAC19BFDB333@nancyandjon.org>
References: <BAA471E3-EFF5-4FE5-B5BD-FAC19BFDB333@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <30D56235-23D3-4A2F-9064-F2088C237641@comcast.net>

It's cloudy, 40 degrees, with rain and snow predicted for today in  
Salt Lake.  Anyone going to SEMA next week?  Las Vega will have to be  
warmer than this.

Wes

On Oct 27, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Jon Wennerberg wrote:

> In response to Doug's question -- I'm sending this to the list only  
> -- to see what happens.  It's a sunny and 42F morning as we drive  
> through the Clevelnad area on the way home from Maxton.
>
> Best to all --
>
> Nancy and Jon (a/k/a SSS)
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From desotoman at dslextreme.com  Tue Oct 27 13:27:21 2009
From: desotoman at dslextreme.com (desotoman @dslextreme.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:27:21 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Timing traps at El Mirage
Message-ID: <51a5f2e00910271327p9c775cdpef059d50e263ad9c@mail.gmail.com>

Message: 3
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:50:27 -0700
From: "Jim Dincau" <jdincau at qnet.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Traps at El Mirage
To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <
18C6F65647CE433DB03FD93B4ABDE29D at denpc>

Settle an argument for me. are the traps at El Mirage before or after the
finish cones?
Jim in Palmdale

Jim,

My duty last Sunday at El Mirage was to put the Balloons out marking the
course.  We put two red balloons at the finish line, in eyesight of the
timing lights. The lights are located before the finish line, not after.
Hope that settles your argument.

Tom Gerardi

From ifixmgs at cox.net  Tue Oct 27 17:33:00 2009
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:33:00 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Testing, testing
In-Reply-To: <30D56235-23D3-4A2F-9064-F2088C237641@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20091027203300.RLGVC.498543.imail@eastrmwml45>

For the first time in  years my employer  isn't holding  our  annual  tech meeting during SEMA - NACE - NHRA and   It Mostly  Stays In Vegas -  week...         I'm still being  bombarded by hotelier emails -   the same rooms  we paid   $200 a night  last year  are  going for a bit less than half of that this year.    This year I'm trying hard to convince myself that SEMA is just same old companies raising their personal  crazyness-bar just a little more "over the top" than the year before.   It's  not working.....
Mark C
Chesapeake 



---- Wester Potter <wester6935 at comcast.net> wrote: 
> It's cloudy, 40 degrees, with rain and snow predicted for today in  
> Salt Lake.  Anyone going to SEMA next week?  Las Vega will have to be  
> warmer than this.
> 
> Wes
> 
> On Oct 27, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Jon Wennerberg wrote:
> 
> > In response to Doug's question -- I'm sending this to the list only  
> > -- to see what happens.  It's a sunny and 42F morning as we drive  
> > through the Clevelnad area on the way home from Maxton.
> >
> > Best to all --
> >
> > Nancy and Jon (a/k/a SSS)
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 28 06:09:36 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:09:36 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Onstar calls after Hennessey CTS pulls .99 G
Message-ID: <2F0FBB4A-0A55-454B-8274-00A3BFB0E0C3@comcast.net>

  http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/24/video-onstar-calls-hennessey-after-tuned-cts-v-pulls-99-g/