From jolylance at earthlink.net  Fri May  1 10:44:58 2009
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (Joe Lance)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:44:58 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Brake testing in CA
In-Reply-To: <000c01c9c9fc$e700f130$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <E1Lzvr8-0005ZA-FO@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

In Pennsylvania if you:

 

--- test your brakes (to see if the anti- locks are working properly, check
for black ice, test grip on a wet road, etc)

 

--- try a drift to check break loose limits under different road conditions

 

--- do a acceleration test (to check your clutch, tranny, or traction
control)

 

--- do a burnout just for the fun of it (without exceeding or even nearing
the speed limit)

 

Even if you do any of the above way out in the boondocks where there are no
other cars on the road and no other humans to witness your actions, a cop
hidden in the weeds can still give you a ticket for staging an "exhibition"

 

I suspect other states have similar provisions in their MV codes.

 

Lance

 

PS-This DOM can think of some other circumstances when seat belts on a bed
might be useful 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Weldon
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:34 PM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] Brake testing in CA

 

Did you guys know that it is illegal and a moving violation to test your

brakes on California roads at speeds over 25mph?

 

This afternoon a fellow called Len Tillum's KGO legal talk show saying he
was

stopped on a recent night on I5 by a CHP officer for doing this and saying
so

when questioned. The officer gave him a warning; but ticketted his wife, who

was laying down sleeping in the back of his minivan, for not wearing a

seatbelt.  The driver was a fairly mature sounding fellow with a very
distinct

East Indian accent.

 

Say what?  On I5 where there are two nighttime speeds, 59 in the right lane

(truckers) and 95 in the left?  Go figure...

 

Anyway if you get stopped in CA and asked why you hit the brakes "I was just

testing them" is the wrong answer.

 

So everyone repeat after me:   "I saw a critter trying to cross the road" or

"I heard a strange noise inside the vehicle and slowed to investigate".

 

Also, as kinky as it may sound seatbelts on the beds of your camper rig may

not be such a bad idea.

 

Ed Weldon

From karhu at california.com  Fri May  1 10:54:01 2009
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:54:01 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Brake testing in CA
References: <E1Lzvr8-0005ZA-FO@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <D011D2B705C347E4973627EB9B5682FC@BennsDesktop>

What about the wrist restraints?

> I suspect other states have similar provisions in their MV codes.
> Lance
> PS-This DOM can think of some other circumstances when seat belts on a bed
> might be useful

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Fri May  1 11:37:04 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 10:37:04 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Brake testing in CA (non-LSR)
References: <E1Lzvr8-0005ZA-FO@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<D011D2B705C347E4973627EB9B5682FC@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <004601c9ca83$739bb2c0$6401a8c0@S>

Hmmmm......Maybe there is another use for that long out of date 5 point
harness.
Let's see......need a "G" rated ebay listing paragraph.....I think there's a
product hidden in this line of thinking....
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Brake testing in CA


> What about the wrist restraints?

> > I suspect other states have similar provisions in their MV codes.
> > Lance
> > PS-This DOM can think of some other circumstances when seat belts on a
bed
> > might be useful

From dlodom at charter.net  Fri May  1 12:35:34 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:35:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Brake testing in CA (non-LSR)
References: <E1Lzvr8-0005ZA-FO@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net><D011D2B705C347E4973627EB9B5682FC@BennsDesktop>
	<004601c9ca83$739bb2c0$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <09da01c9ca8b$a0ce2860$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

List, My Ex son in law and race team crew member ( He divorced my Daughter 
not the race car ) is a Calif. Highway Patrolman. I will ask him about what 
the law says and how they deal with it.

Big Ditch Doug



> Hmmmm......Maybe there is another use for that long out of date 5 point
> harness.
> Let's see......need a "G" rated ebay listing paragraph.....I think there's 
> a
> product hidden in this line of thinking....
> Ed Weldon
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Brake testing in CA
>
>
>> What about the wrist restraints?
>
>> > I suspect other states have similar provisions in their MV codes.
>> > Lance
>> > PS-This DOM can think of some other circumstances when seat belts on a
> bed
>> > might be useful

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri May  1 16:47:35 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:47:35 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Bob Pierson passes
Message-ID: <A21D4A206C0A407FAC073AB92FAC86A5@Glens>

Dry lakes and Bonneville pioneer Bob Pierson (Pierson Bros. Coupe) passed away
on 4-29-09.
No services are planned at his request.
Donations to save the salt in his name was his request.

From NT788 at comcast.net  Fri May  1 17:29:52 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 23:29:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] Bob Pierson passes
In-Reply-To: <A21D4A206C0A407FAC073AB92FAC86A5@Glens>
Message-ID: <670059987.3592891241220592089.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Bob Pierson was a good guy! Jack 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com> 
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 3:47:35 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Land-speed] Bob Pierson passes 

Dry lakes and Bonneville pioneer Bob Pierson (Pierson Bros. Coupe) passed away 
on 4-29-09. 
No services are planned at his request. 
Donations to save the salt in his name was his request. 
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From dlodom at charter.net  Fri May  1 18:39:57 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 17:39:57 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Brake testing in CA (non-LSR)
References: <E1Lzvr8-0005ZA-FO@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net><D011D2B705C347E4973627EB9B5682FC@BennsDesktop><004601c9ca83$739bb2c0$6401a8c0@S>
	<09da01c9ca8b$a0ce2860$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <0a2701c9cabe$856733e0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

   OK, There is a California Vehicle code #26456 that states that no testing 
of brake performance at over 25mph is allowed on California highways. I have 
no idea why the law is there and written that way.
If the vehicle is NOT registered as a Motorcoach all persons must be belted. 
If its a motorcoach anyone behind the driver can be not belted. It is 
considered a two part vehicle with the area behind the driver a coach.

> Big Ditch Doug
>
>
>
>> Hmmmm......Maybe there is another use for that long out of date 5 point
>> harness.
>> Let's see......need a "G" rated ebay listing paragraph.....I think 
>> there's a
>> product hidden in this line of thinking....
>> Ed Weldon
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>
>> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Brake testing in CA
>>
>>
>>> What about the wrist restraints?
>>
>>> > I suspect other states have similar provisions in their MV codes.
>>> > Lance
>>> > PS-This DOM can think of some other circumstances when seat belts on a
>> bed
>>> > might be useful

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Fri May  1 23:03:09 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 23:03:09 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Bob Pierson passes
Message-ID: <E8D259AE-179A-4411-9F0D-099EEEC857A8@comcast.net>

Another of our racing icons has left us.  Bob Pierson who with his  
brother Dick campaigned their revolutionary, record setting, radically  
chopped and channeled coupe died in his sleep.

An email from his wife reads:

Would you please do whatever is necessary to notify everyone of  
Roberts  passing.   In the early hours of April 29, 2009 he died  
peacefully in his sleep at home with me. He had not felt well for  
several months and was on  oxygen.   He had recently been advised not  
to travel to the Salt flats.   Any donation in his name can be sent to  
Save the Salt.   Bob truly  appreciated all of his friends at the  
Flats and it was the highlight of his year.   I too will personally   
miss our comradry.
Thank you so much for your assistance and friendship.
                        Sincerely,  Sandra Pierson


PS.  Per  Bobs  request there will be no services.

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sat May  2 12:35:20 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 12:35:20 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] SLC Rent-A-Wreck shuts down
Message-ID: <79677EFF-8BD5-45AF-873B-6BF8E546E844@comcast.net>

Tony and Todd have shut down the Rent-A-Wreck deal in SLC.  Have to  
find a new source for transportation to and on the salt.

Wes

From saltfevr at q.com  Mon May  4 19:23:17 2009
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:23:17 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] SLC Rent-A-Wreck shuts down
In-Reply-To: <79677EFF-8BD5-45AF-873B-6BF8E546E844@comcast.net>
References: <79677EFF-8BD5-45AF-873B-6BF8E546E844@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W48EE3A438B4AB0290857FFC9690@phx.gbl>

Wes;



Sorry to hear about the "salt" Livery Stable shutting down! "Duece" Tony
helped aid many "salt addictions".

Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah




> From: wester6935 at comcast.net
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 12:35:20 -0600
> Subject: [Land-speed] SLC Rent-A-Wreck shuts down
>
> Tony and Todd have shut down the Rent-A-Wreck deal in SLC. Have to
> find a new source for transportation to and on the salt.
>
> Wes
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From jolylance at earthlink.net  Sun May  3 12:00:28 2009
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (Joe Lance)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:00:28 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] NON -LSR Hemi Engine Problem
Message-ID: <E1M0fzI-0005qw-GK@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Team;

 

I'm having some engine problems and could use your advice.

 

It's a 2005 Chrysler 300C with the 5.7 L Hemi V8, AWD, 18,500 miles

 

April 2nd---Stalled at a stop sign during return from local 30 mile trip,
was able to restart repeatedly and limp home, dash engine light stays on,
checked gas cap, undriveable, had car towed to Chrysler dealer who "updates
PCM to latest software" Car picked up and runs okay.

 

April 6th---Have accident with parking barrier, AC condenser, radiator, and
fan motor assembly pushed back where fan motor wiring is rubbing engine
pulleys and belt. Towed to same dealer who replaces condenser, radiator, fan
motor & wiring, and all damaged body parts. Battery was disconnected during
body repairs.

 

April 23rd---Pick up car when body repairs are completed travel 35 miles to
home with no problem. A few minutes later got on Turnpike and three miles
later hear a "bong", engine hesitates like it's running out of gas, engine
light goes on and stays on.  Get off turnpike, repeatedly stalls, becomes
undriveable, towed back to same dealer.

 

Chrysler dealer service department has had the car since April 23rd and says
he can't find any Code info that identifies the problem and can't duplicate
the condition during test drives, says he is now consulting other Chrysler
dealers thru some forum they have.

 

This has been an excellent service department over the last 14 years, but I
think they are hung up trying to identify something specific they can
justify fixing under the emissions warranty. 

 

Warranty or not, some fix is needed even if I have to pay for it myself.
Any suggestions ?  Failures that would not be stored in the computer and/or
leave no Code info behind ?  Sensor degradation if not outright sensor
failure ?  Which sensors ?  

 

Thanks,

 

Lance

From jolylance at earthlink.net  Mon May  4 09:05:47 2009
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (Joe Lance)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:05:47 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] NON -LSR Hemi Engine Problem
Message-ID: <E1M0zjn-00057L-A1@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Team;

 

I'm having some engine problems and could use your advice.

 

It's a 2005 Chrysler 300C with the 5.7 L Hemi V8, AWD, 18,500 miles

 

April 2nd---Stalled at a stop sign during return from local 30 mile trip,
was able to restart repeatedly and limp home, dash engine light stays on,
checked gas cap, undriveable, had car towed to Chrysler dealer who "updates
PCM to latest software" Car picked up and runs okay.

 

April 6th---Have accident with parking barrier, AC condenser, radiator, and
fan motor assembly pushed back where fan motor wiring is rubbing engine
pulleys and belt. Towed to same dealer who replaces condenser, radiator, fan
motor & wiring, and all damaged body parts. Battery was disconnected during
body repairs.

 

April 23rd---Pick up car when body repairs are completed travel 35 miles to
home with no problem. A few minutes later got on Turnpike and three miles
later hear a "bong", engine hesitates like it's running out of gas, engine
light goes on and stays on.  Get off turnpike, repeatedly stalls, becomes
undriveable, towed back to same dealer.

 

Chrysler dealer service department has had the car since April 23rd and says
he can't find any Code info that identifies the problem and can't duplicate
the condition during test drives, says he is now consulting other Chrysler
dealers thru some forum they have.

 

This has been an excellent service department over the last 14 years, but I
think they are hung up trying to identify something specific they can
justify fixing under the emissions warranty. 

 

Warranty or not, some fix is needed even if I have to pay for it myself.
Any suggestions ?  Failures that would not be stored in the computer and/or
leave no Code info behind ?  Sensor degradation if not outright sensor
failure ?  Which sensors ?  

 

Thanks,

 

Lance

From wolcott_jl at yahoo.com  Tue May  5 14:41:45 2009
From: wolcott_jl at yahoo.com (Joel Wolcott)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:41:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] NON -LSR Hemi Engine Problem
In-Reply-To: <E1M0zjn-00057L-A1@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1M0zjn-00057L-A1@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200923.21760.qm@web110607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Joe,
I have the same engine in my truck - 2005 ram.  I was having stalling problems with a code - no limp mode.  I replaced the idle air valve and my troubles went away.  The problem is well known enough that the parts guy at the stealership knew the part number off the top of his head and the year of my truck.  I just said I need an idle air valve for a hemi - his response was 2005 - part number xxxxxx and i have it in stock.

Joel




________________________________
From: Joe Lance <jolylance at earthlink.net>
To: "LAND SPEED @ AUTOX. TEAM" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 11:05:47 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] NON -LSR Hemi Engine Problem

Hi Team;



I'm having some engine problems and could use your advice.



It's a 2005 Chrysler 300C with the 5.7 L Hemi V8, AWD, 18,500 miles



April 2nd---Stalled at a stop sign during return from local 30 mile trip,
was able to restart repeatedly and limp home, dash engine light stays on,
checked gas cap, undriveable, had car towed to Chrysler dealer who "updates
PCM to latest software" Car picked up and runs okay.



April 6th---Have accident with parking barrier, AC condenser, radiator, and
fan motor assembly pushed back where fan motor wiring is rubbing engine
pulleys and belt. Towed to same dealer who replaces condenser, radiator, fan
motor & wiring, and all damaged body parts. Battery was disconnected during
body repairs.



April 23rd---Pick up car when body repairs are completed travel 35 miles to
home with no problem. A few minutes later got on Turnpike and three miles
later hear a "bong", engine hesitates like it's running out of gas, engine
light goes on and stays on.  Get off turnpike, repeatedly stalls, becomes
undriveable, towed back to same dealer.



Chrysler dealer service department has had the car since April 23rd and says
he can't find any Code info that identifies the problem and can't duplicate
the condition during test drives, says he is now consulting other Chrysler
dealers thru some forum they have.



This has been an excellent service department over the last 14 years, but I
think they are hung up trying to identify something specific they can
justify fixing under the emissions warranty. 



Warranty or not, some fix is needed even if I have to pay for it myself.
Any suggestions ?  Failures that would not be stored in the computer and/or
leave no Code info behind ?  Sensor degradation if not outright sensor
failure ?  Which sensors ?  



Thanks,



Lance
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Tue May  5 16:24:21 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:24:21 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] NON -LSR Hemi Engine Problem
In-Reply-To: <E1M0fzI-0005qw-GK@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1M0fzI-0005qw-GK@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4406EE6E42D041DA8D102168A912330A@DBTech>

Your problem sounds like what my brand- new 1975 VW Rabbit had. Without any
warning the engine would quit and I'd go rolling to a stop. Driving across
OK, the longest time the engine ever ran was 20 minutes. It was the worst
car I ever had and I swore I'd never buy another VW.

Good luck with your 300C; we have 200k miles on our 300M and it has been
very reliable.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Lance
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:00 AM
To: LAND SPEED @ AUTOX. TEAM
Subject: [Land-speed] NON -LSR Hemi Engine Problem

Hi Team;

 

I'm having some engine problems and could use your advice.

 

It's a 2005 Chrysler 300C with the 5.7 L Hemi V8, AWD, 18,500 miles

 

April 2nd---Stalled at a stop sign during return from local 30 mile trip,
was able to restart repeatedly and limp home, dash engine light stays on,
checked gas cap, undriveable, had car towed to Chrysler dealer who "updates
PCM to latest software" Car picked up and runs okay.

 

April 6th---Have accident with parking barrier, AC condenser, radiator, and
fan motor assembly pushed back where fan motor wiring is rubbing engine
pulleys and belt. Towed to same dealer who replaces condenser, radiator, fan
motor & wiring, and all damaged body parts. Battery was disconnected during
body repairs.

 

April 23rd---Pick up car when body repairs are completed travel 35 miles to
home with no problem. A few minutes later got on Turnpike and three miles
later hear a "bong", engine hesitates like it's running out of gas, engine
light goes on and stays on.  Get off turnpike, repeatedly stalls, becomes
undriveable, towed back to same dealer.

 

Chrysler dealer service department has had the car since April 23rd and says
he can't find any Code info that identifies the problem and can't duplicate
the condition during test drives, says he is now consulting other Chrysler
dealers thru some forum they have.

 

This has been an excellent service department over the last 14 years, but I
think they are hung up trying to identify something specific they can
justify fixing under the emissions warranty. 

 

Warranty or not, some fix is needed even if I have to pay for it myself.
Any suggestions ?  Failures that would not be stored in the computer and/or
leave no Code info behind ?  Sensor degradation if not outright sensor
failure ?  Which sensors ?  

 

Thanks,

 

Lance
Land-speed mailing list

You are subscribed as neil at dbelltech.com

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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed May  6 00:13:22 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed,  6 May 2009 00:13:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Team.Net status
Message-ID: <20090506061322.C1DB42E08E@bradakis.com>

Yes, there have been problems with the Team.Net mailing
lists, related web pages, FTP stuff and such.  And it ain't
over yet.  It should all be fine by next week, though.

The current ISP providing Team.Net connectivity along with
several other domains and network related services is Qwest.
Saturday, May 2nd, they cut off my network access.  They have
been recieving complaints about "malicious activity" from one
of my servers.  It has happened before.  The first time I
actually spent many hours on the phone over a period of
several days and found out the nature of the "malicious
activity."

Someone too lazy or too stupid to click on the 'unsubscribe'
link for one of the mailing lists was flagging all incoming
Team.Net emails as spam.  Once I finally managed to penetrate
deep into the Qwest support to find someone with more than a
single digit IQ, it took me just a few seconds to remove the
braindead A-hole from the lists to which they subscribed.

It happened again a while back, again I took the time and effort
to finally get to the root of the problem and removed the whining
piece of human debris from the appropriate list.

This time I've had enough.  It is so frustrating to have to
go through their entire little debugging script *every time*
I talk to a new person about it:


Them:  What operating system are you running?

Me:  Unix, FreeBSD 6.2

Them:  No, I mean are you running Vista, XP or Windows 98?

Me:  Like I said, I'm running Unix, FreeBSD 6.2.  I am NOT
     running Windows, just like I told all the other ...



You know, a lot of people who just use computers as a basic
appliance would not understand the details of that conversation,
they have no need to.  But tech support people working for a
major company like Qwest?  How do people that incompetent get
through the first job interview?  Do they have anyone on their
staff who can even *spell* Unix??

At any rate, the problem that Qwest claims I have is still
not resolved, they will most likely once again cut off my
network access soon.  As I said, I've had enough.

On Friday, May 8th I will be changing from Qwest to XMission,
located here in Salt Lake, for Team.Net ISP service.  The
changeover will result in Team.Net services being unavailable
for a few days.  IP addresses, nameserver data, etc. will take
a day or two or so to percolate through the network.

So expect sporadic service over the next few days, but it should
all settle down by early next week.

Thank you for your patience.

mjb.

From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Wed May  6 16:07:46 2009
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:07:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] SLC Rent-A-Wreck shuts down
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1241632803.17525.land-speed@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.25.1241632803.17525.land-speed@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <469579.59146.qm@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

When I travel to San Diego, Fox Rent-a-Car is a good bargain (usually about 1/2 of Hertz in my experience), and they have a Salt Lake City location now:

https://www.foxrentacar.com

From saltfever at comcast.net  Wed May  6 21:25:20 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 20:25:20 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Net status (Mark J Bradakis)
Message-ID: <001501c9cec3$73e371c0$5baa5540$@net>

Good luck with Xmission, Mark.  I think "Ray the Rat" uses them.
(rbuck at xmission.com) "We" had a little issue with random "denial of service"
earlier this year. Ray reached a knowledgeable support level and the problem
was identified quickly. He may have useful insider information for you.

From rbuck at xmission.com  Wed May  6 23:25:12 2009
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 23:25:12 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Net status (Mark J Bradakis)
In-Reply-To: <001501c9cec3$73e371c0$5baa5540$@net>
References: <001501c9cec3$73e371c0$5baa5540$@net>
Message-ID: <E1M1w6Y-0005aH-EX@in02.mta.xmission.com>

You got it right.  I'm on a Qwest DSL line and have Xmission as my 
isp.  They're very good.  I highly recommend them.

I sent Mark an email of sympathy.  I know what he's going thru.  I'll 
be happy to help if there's any way I can.

RtR


At 09:25 PM 5/6/2009, Kirkwood wrote:
>Good luck with Xmission, Mark.  I think "Ray the Rat" uses them.
>(rbuck at xmission.com) "We" had a little issue with random "denial of service"
>earlier this year. Ray reached a knowledgeable support level and the problem
>was identified quickly. He may have useful insider information for you.
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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Thu May  7 09:01:03 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:01:03 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Update
Message-ID: <4A02F7AF.000024.06496@D3DP98F1>

I don't know how many out there knows George Fields with the #125 Comp Coupe
 but for those who know him should know about his wife, Gretchen's health
issues that have consumed him for a couple of years. They would appreciate
our prayers. This is an update from Gail & Ron Tesinsky forwarded to me.

BELOW IS ANOTHER UPDATE ON GETCHEN FROM LYDIA.............HOPE EVERYONE IS
DOING WELL & STAYING HEALTHY. G&R

Today I was with my Mom and Dad while she had an endoscopy to look for the
cause of her swallowing issue. Well, they determined that the cancer has
nearly closed off her esophagus except for a 1/2 inch which food is having a
very difficult time passing through. She didn't tolerate the procedure well,
she would stop breathing and they would have to wait for her to be able to
tolerate it again before proceeding. They tried to "stretch" the area, but
it is all scar tissue so the concern was tearing her esophagus. So they did
a barium swallow afterwards to see if there was any tearing. It revealed
that there was a small tear and she does have some barium floating around
outside her esophagus next to her lung. The hope is that it will wall itself
off while she is being treated with antibiotics. The thought is: if she was
going to have a serious reaction to it, it would've happened already. In the
meantime, the Decatur Hospital she was at did not have a cardio-thoracic
surgeon on staff, so she is being transferred to Dallas Methodist. The issue
of nutrition is bigger now than ever, so she will be seeing a surgeon there
to have a G-tube placed tomorrow. We are still trying to determine what can
be done about her esophagus. It is twisted in such a way around the cancer
that it was a miracle that her medications were making it any where near her
stomach to be absorbed.

So we're awaiting the schedule for tomorrow. She has been transferred to
Methodist now. Please pray for her to have strength and protection during
this time. She received 2 units of blood this morning and was definitely
feeling better this afternoon. Will update again tomorrow.
Lydia
Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Sun May 10 08:11:33 2009
From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:11:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] Battery info
In-Reply-To: <1157020240.5884451241963817989.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1664146629.5886391241964693605.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I had a problem with a $240 Optima battery, and the more I research what maybe went wrong and what the solution might be, the less inclined I am to replace the battery with the same type. Not only are there alot of "don'ts" involved with the maintainance of the things, the manufacturer doesn't provide timely support when things go wrong, possibly because the batteries are problematic. 
It appears that the 30 amp generator in the car could croak a low charged Optima that can only accept a 10 amp charge. 
This particular battery has been installed on it's side, hung off the inside of a 32 Ford frame, so it's replacement has to mount on it's side, where it's width is only about 5 inches. This limits my options. Also, the car won't see regular service, so it may need a charge before I take the car out, and it would be good if the charge could be applied quickly. 
I think what I need is "dry" Odyssey battery, a puny one in the Summit catalog would fit, and has 680 amps. The car doesn't need alot of cranking power. 
Does anyone have any ideas or experiance with this? Thanks, BJ in Beantown, with the Volvo Ocean boats 

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Sun May 10 08:54:34 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 07:54:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Battery info
References: <1664146629.5886391241964693605.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5FDBFF1E93B5468AA5C2EBA576BA6D9F@mydf7618c59bbf>

I run an Odyssey and a 60 amp alternator and have never had a problem. It's 
the next size up from the one you are looking at. Good Luck



>I had a problem with a $240 Optima battery, and the more I research what 
>maybe went wrong and what the solution might be, the less inclined I am to 
>replace the battery with the same type. Not only are there alot of "don'ts" 
>involved with the maintainance of the things, the manufacturer doesn't 
>provide timely support when things go wrong, possibly because the batteries 
>are problematic.
> It appears that the 30 amp generator in the car could croak a low charged 
> Optima that can only accept a 10 amp charge.
> This particular battery has been installed on it's side, hung off the 
> inside of a 32 Ford frame, so it's replacement has to mount on it's side, 
> where it's width is only about 5 inches. This limits my options. Also, the 
> car won't see regular service, so it may need a charge before I take the 
> car out, and it would be good if the charge could be applied quickly.
> I think what I need is "dry" Odyssey battery, a puny one in the Summit 
> catalog would fit, and has 680 amps. The car doesn't need alot of cranking 
> power.
> Does anyone have any ideas or experiance with this? Thanks, BJ in 
> Beantown, with the Volvo Ocean boats

From advo at comcast.net  Fri May 15 09:54:02 2009
From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:54:02 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Entry due date!
In-Reply-To: <4A02F7AF.000024.06496@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <C632FA4A.39D1%advo@comcast.net>

Just thought I'd remind everybody that today is the last day you can
register to race for $400. Postmark after the 15th is $600 I think.......
Greg

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat May 16 08:37:09 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 07:37:09 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Racing Venues...
Message-ID: <4A0ECF95.7060006@mayfco.com>

I am bemused by the fact that the Brits, with their steam car, are going 
to be/may be  allowed to use the lake surface at Edwards AFB.  How come 
the SCTA and it afiliates are not screaming bloody murder at this?   
Foreigners can use it but not Americans? Something stinks there.

mayf

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sat May 16 08:58:59 2009
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 07:58:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Racing Venues...
Message-ID: <767269.99598.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think it would just take a significant amount of liaison and coordination by
the right people in SCTA to arrange a yearly meet there. Conduct a little
research on which staff officer at Edwards would be most approachable, then
look at the package that was presented by the Brits and use a similar
approach. The USAF and Edwards AFB is not a big, closed, impregnable machine,
it is an organization of individuals, any number of whom, with the right
approach, could be the key to gaining entry and support.
 
DickJ
in East Texas

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:


From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Racing Venues...
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:37 AM


I am bemused by the fact that the Brits, with their steam car, are going to
be/may be  allowed to use the lake surface at Edwards AFB.  How come the SCTA
and it afiliates are not screaming bloody murder at this?   Foreigners can use
it but not Americans? Something stinks there.

mayf

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sat May 16 09:32:47 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:32:47 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Racing Venues...
References: <767269.99598.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001601c9d63b$947e9cf0$6501a8c0@S>

Makes some sense.  Times are different now.  One can visualize how after 911
the base security operation at Edwards was overwhelmed with work to deal
with enhanced security requirements and somewhere up the chain of command
they were told that it was OK to eliminate the workload attendant to the
SCTA meet.  Typically the word comes down from the public affairs officer
couched in as simple and credible words as possible.
That was 7 years ago and this is now.  Most of the hysteria has died down,
for better or for worse.
On the other hand the SCTA and all it's volunteers have their plates pretty
full with El Mirage and Bonneville operations and may not be real hot on
gearing up for a third venue.  I suspect the Air Force would need a lot more
convincing if another presumably new and unexperienced organization were to
propose LSR meets at Edwards.
Personally I didn't like Muroc dry lake.  The dust there makes the stuff at
El Mirage look like coarse gravel.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick J" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
To: "LSR" <>; <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Racing Venues...


> I think it would just take a significant amount of liaison and
coordination by
> the right people in SCTA to arrange a yearly meet there. Conduct a little
> research on which staff officer at Edwards would be most approachable,
then
> look at the package that was presented by the Brits and use a similar
> approach. The USAF and Edwards AFB is not a big, closed, impregnable
machine,
> it is an organization of individuals, any number of whom, with the right
> approach, could be the key to gaining entry and support.
> DickJ in East Texas

From landspeed at columbus.rr.com  Sat May 16 10:30:49 2009
From: landspeed at columbus.rr.com (Don McMeekin)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:30:49 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Racing venues
Message-ID: <F44E017C-B5EF-479E-A2F4-0C221B55B698@columbus.rr.com>

Mayf,
      Doesn't bother me that the Brits may be allowed to use  
Edwards..........................My impression is, that if you are  
willing to pay the bill...................... What puzzles me is why  
they would choose to do so in the first place? Perhaps they have  
never been there in person.  I'm with Ed on the surface there. I've  
never seen anything like it, and then the wind starts blowing. Whew,  
what a deal.
      Don 

From Saltrat at pahrump.com  Sat May 16 11:27:12 2009
From: Saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:27:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Speedweek rooms
Message-ID: <20090516172704.AB9B8187663@autox.team.net>

We have decided that we are not going to be able to go to Speedweek 
this year. We have 3 rooms at "America's Best Value Inn" (used to be 
Super 8 and has the same phone number).
Drop me a note if you want them and I'll see that you get them.

Skip

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat May 16 11:39:20 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:39:20 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Racing venues
In-Reply-To: <F44E017C-B5EF-479E-A2F4-0C221B55B698@columbus.rr.com>
References: <F44E017C-B5EF-479E-A2F4-0C221B55B698@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4A0EFA48.6@mayfco.com>

I think it is the long runway they want to use.  Paying the bill is not 
the issue although today it might be , lol.  Administration needs money 
to give away.  The problem is control of the people attending.  Access 
and inspections, and bomb dogs and such. 

mayf

mayf
Don McMeekin wrote:

>Mayf,
>      Doesn't bother me that the Brits may be allowed to use  
>Edwards..........................My impression is, that if you are  
>willing to pay the bill...................... What puzzles me is why  
>they would choose to do so in the first place? Perhaps they have  
>never been there in person.  I'm with Ed on the surface there. I've  
>never seen anything like it, and then the wind starts blowing. Whew,  
>what a deal.
>      Don 
>_______________________________________________

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sat May 16 12:39:39 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 11:39:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Speedweek rooms
In-Reply-To: <C660EADD283E442CAC857E9B30D78AC4@DBTech>
References: <20090516172704.AB9B8187663@autox.team.net>
	<FD0120999A364BCC9F7D78EA10F41754@DBTech>
	<C660EADD283E442CAC857E9B30D78AC4@DBTech>
Message-ID: <20090516183931.4EE8A187874@autox.team.net>

Neil, of course you can have one. I haven't said anything to the 
hotel yet. Just letting folks know that they (the rooms) are going to 
be available. I was going to call them tomorrow. Wanted to give some 
time to see about interest. Hotel has been good to us and I want to 
assure them of reservations if possible.

Now there are 2 rooms available....as far as I'm concerned.
Skip










At 11:08 AM 5/16/2009, you wrote:
>That sounds reasonable; could I have one room or are you only releasing them
>in a block of three?
>
>Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Skip Higginbotham [mailto:saltrat at pahrump.com]
>Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:05 AM
>To: neil at dbelltech.com
>Subject: RE: Speedweek rooms
>
>
>Neil, I don't know. Last year they were $104 per night.....including tax.
>Skip
>
>
>
>
>At 10:32 AM 5/16/2009, neil at dbelltech.com wrote:
> >Skip;
> >
> >How much for one room?
> >
> >Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat May 16 13:43:27 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:43:27 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Inertia Switch for Electric Fuel Pump Cutoff
Message-ID: <4A0F175F.6040305@mayfco.com>

Thumbing my way through the book, I again see that the 2010 season will 
require an inertia fuel pump cut off for electric fuel pumps. So, I have 
a question regarding the preferred wiring. Anyone on the safety 
inspection crew listening? Dan?  Here is the question: the inertia 
switch can be located in two different manners. One, it can interrupt a 
relay control signal and turn off power that way, or two, it can be 
mounted in the fule pump power lead directly to turn it off.  The 
absolute safest woul dbe in the power lead but the other way is also 
pretty satisfactory.   In that case I would just put the inertia switch 
in line with the power switch which turn on the relay. A final 
thought...will it need to be tested or is the owner's word good enough 
that it worlks? After all we don't fire the safety system to see it it 
works, lol...

Any thoughts or comments on this, especially from an inspector type?

mayf

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sat May 16 14:26:10 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:26:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Inertia Switch for Electric Fuel Pump Cutoff
In-Reply-To: <4A0F175F.6040305@mayfco.com>
References: <4A0F175F.6040305@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <A9FFF09C32EC40E095860FC9B9DC851A@DBTech>

Mayf;

I'm not an official but I see no problem with using a relay to switch off
the fuel pump as long as the relay is a NO (normally OFF) type. Inertia
switches can be tested by whacking it with a big rubber hammer. Hmmm... with
mallets aforethought?

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:43 PM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] Inertia Switch for Electric Fuel Pump Cutoff

Thumbing my way through the book, I again see that the 2010 season will 
require an inertia fuel pump cut off for electric fuel pumps. So, I have 
a question regarding the preferred wiring. Anyone on the safety 
inspection crew listening? Dan?  Here is the question: the inertia 
switch can be located in two different manners. One, it can interrupt a 
relay control signal and turn off power that way, or two, it can be 
mounted in the fule pump power lead directly to turn it off.  The 
absolute safest woul dbe in the power lead but the other way is also 
pretty satisfactory.   In that case I would just put the inertia switch 
in line with the power switch which turn on the relay. A final 
thought...will it need to be tested or is the owner's word good enough 
that it worlks? After all we don't fire the safety system to see it it 
works, lol...

Any thoughts or comments on this, especially from an inspector type?

mayf
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun May 17 01:42:37 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 00:42:37 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Racing Venues...
In-Reply-To: <4A0ECF95.7060006@mayfco.com>
References: <4A0ECF95.7060006@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4A0FBFED.6000906@wildblue.net>

I wonder if it has to do with all of the USAF bases in England (They are
all disguised as RAF bases for political reasons). Maybe there are a bunch
of USAF guys on the team. Good way to get a free visit at home.
I'd go for it to see my wife and kids.

Bryan

drmayf wrote:
> I am bemused by the fact that the Brits, with their steam car, are 
> going to be/may be  allowed to use the lake surface at Edwards AFB.  
> How come the SCTA and it afiliates are not screaming bloody murder at 
> this?   Foreigners can use it but not Americans? Something stinks there.
>
> mayf
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From jdincau at qnet.com  Sun May 17 21:22:20 2009
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:22:20 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Trans popping out of high gear
Message-ID: <3171051610C44DED925507FCB0F92C91@denpc>

Stock Borg Warner super T-10 aluminum case with a Hurst H pattern shifter. 
Under load from a 300 HP 4 banger at 6,500 RPM. No traction problems and the 
driver says he wasn't putting any pressure on the shifter.

What's the most likely cause? Linkage? Synchros? 

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Sun May 17 22:45:44 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:45:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Trans popping out of high gear
References: <3171051610C44DED925507FCB0F92C91@denpc>
Message-ID: <56A3C232689B462AB05E3F25E1D265F5@mydf7618c59bbf>

Did you center the bellhousing to the crank. It's the major reason 
transmission pop ot of gear.....GoodLuck



> Stock Borg Warner super T-10 aluminum case with a Hurst H pattern shifter. 
> Under load from a 300 HP 4 banger at 6,500 RPM. No traction problems and 
> the driver says he wasn't putting any pressure on the shifter.

From dlodom at charter.net  Mon May 18 08:04:52 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 07:04:52 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Trans popping out of high gear
References: <3171051610C44DED925507FCB0F92C91@denpc>
	<56A3C232689B462AB05E3F25E1D265F5@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <007d01c9d7c1$9d9298a0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

I agree with JD.    99% of the time the problem is its not going all the way 
into gear ( linkage ) or not indexed ( centered ) properly.

Big ditch Doug


> Did you center the bellhousing to the crank. It's the major reason 
> transmission pop ot of gear.....GoodLuck
>
>
>
>> Stock Borg Warner super T-10 aluminum case with a Hurst H pattern 
>> shifter. Under load from a 300 HP 4 banger at 6,500 RPM. No traction 
>> problems and the driver says he wasn't putting any pressure on the 
>> shifter.

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Mon May 18 09:37:59 2009
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Racing Venues...
Message-ID: <921140.38327.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

After the last experience why would you want to run there?
 
The 911 deal aside, the surface is junk, completely different than El Mirgae.
The ground is a pea gravel type of rock, limited traction. The wind comes up
around 10:30 or 11:00 AM and does not go down, you are done for the day.
Checking weather pattern history we have found that the lowest wind conditions
are in December. The temps in the high desert at that time of year are rarely
above freezing at night some times with dusting snow. See the El Mirage sign
post picture on landracing.com. When the wind does blow the surface pepples
will injure exposed parts of your body, its like so many pellets fired from a
shot gun. The stuff that gets into the nooks and cranies of your truck and
race car. Water tuns it into mud unlike the El Mirage stuff that will flush
out.
 
DW

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:


From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Racing Venues...
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 7:37 AM


I am bemused by the fact that the Brits, with their steam car, are going to
be/may be  allowed to use the lake surface at Edwards AFB.  How come the SCTA
and it afiliates are not screaming bloody murder at this?   Foreigners can use
it but not Americans? Something stinks there.

mayf
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From MPittwood at compuserve.com  Mon May 18 14:31:56 2009
From: MPittwood at compuserve.com (MPittwood at compuserve.com)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:31:56 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Drivers with disabilities
Message-ID: <200905181632_MC3-2-21A0-DE2B@compuserve.com>

I did not think that I would need a rule book this year so I need a contact
name and e mail please from this List.  Who can I discuss the entry of a
driver with visual disability into an SCTA or USFRA event on Bonneville?
The driver needs a passenger with vision - so this may not be something
encountered by either club before.

The team is South African and the realistic goal is 200 MPH (over 320 kph).

Thanks

Malcolm UK

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Mon May 18 15:03:43 2009
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 14:03:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Drivers with disabilities
Message-ID: <757287.12051.qm@web52508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Contact the USFRA thru their website. Won't happen at Speedweek. Tough sell to
the SCTA/BNI, reference the issue at El Mirage this weekend.
 
Mike Cook would be another contact to arrange for private time.
 
DW
 


--- On Mon, 5/18/09, MPittwood at compuserve.com <MPittwood at compuserve.com>
wrote:


From: MPittwood at compuserve.com <MPittwood at compuserve.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Drivers with disabilities
To: "Land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 1:31 PM


I did not think that I would need a rule book this year so I need a contact
name and e mail please from this List.  Who can I discuss the entry of a
driver with visual disability into an SCTA or USFRA event on Bonneville?
The driver needs a passenger with vision - so this may not be something
encountered by either club before.

The team is South African and the realistic goal is 200 MPH (over 320 kph).

Thanks

Malcolm UK
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From mike_lackey at yahoo.com  Tue May 19 14:33:10 2009
From: mike_lackey at yahoo.com (Mike Lackey)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:33:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?
In-Reply-To: <007d01c9d7c1$9d9298a0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <3171051610C44DED925507FCB0F92C91@denpc>
	<56A3C232689B462AB05E3F25E1D265F5@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<007d01c9d7c1$9d9298a0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <307668.19649.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19883

Or maybe not...

Mike

From dlodom at charter.net  Tue May 19 14:46:34 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:46:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?
References: <3171051610C44DED925507FCB0F92C91@denpc><56A3C232689B462AB05E3F25E1D265F5@mydf7618c59bbf><007d01c9d7c1$9d9298a0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
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As there is no B/BFMS record now, it looks like a gimme. 

Doug in big ditch


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Lackey" <mike_lackey at yahoo.com>
To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?


> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19883
> 
> Or maybe not...
> 
> Mike
> _______________________________________________

From karhu at california.com  Tue May 19 15:52:06 2009
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:52:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?
References: <3171051610C44DED925507FCB0F92C91@denpc><56A3C232689B462AB05E3F25E1D265F5@mydf7618c59bbf><007d01c9d7c1$9d9298a0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
	<307668.19649.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5B8C654F756C48B283C8EC31339C6062@BennsDesktop>

Lessee...150-0 in two seconds, huh?  That would be about 3.4 G's--does it 
have retro-rockets?
Benn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Lackey" <mike_lackey at yahoo.com>
To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:33 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?


> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19883
>
> Or maybe not...
>
> Mike
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From yesford at clear.net.nz  Tue May 19 16:40:39 2009
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:40:39 +1200
Subject: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?
References: <3171051610C44DED925507FCB0F92C91@denpc>
	<56A3C232689B462AB05E3F25E1D265F5@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<007d01c9d7c1$9d9298a0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
	<307668.19649.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DB97FCBD83904345B8DE3DF8B7699A2A@ChrisHarrisPC>

Now that is a serious piece of kit.
One question, is the Alpine DVD for LSR use or for Michael at the track.
I would think driving the car would be entertainment enough !    LOL.
Chris H.................NZed.
 

> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19883
> 
> Or maybe not...
> 
> Mike

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue May 19 18:40:02 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:40:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?
In-Reply-To: <5B8C654F756C48B283C8EC31339C6062@BennsDesktop>
References: <3171051610C44DED925507FCB0F92C91@denpc><56A3C232689B462AB05E3F25E1D265F5@mydf7618c59bbf><007d01c9d7c1$9d9298a0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
	<307668.19649.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<5B8C654F756C48B283C8EC31339C6062@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <4A135162.5040200@mayfco.com>

Oh, heck, That's easy to do! Just rev it up, drop the hammer and instant 
tire spin to 150 mph. Doesn't go forward at all. Just sits ther with the 
rear wheels spinning at 150 mph....

mayf
Benn wrote:

> Lessee...150-0 in two seconds, huh?  That would be about 3.4 G's--does 
> it have retro-rockets?
> Benn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Lackey" <mike_lackey at yahoo.com>
> To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:33 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?
>
>
>> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19883
>>
>> Or maybe not...
>>
>> Mike
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Tue May 19 19:41:32 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:41:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?
In-Reply-To: <4A135162.5040200@mayfco.com>
References: <3171051610C44DED925507FCB0F92C91@denpc><56A3C232689B462AB05E3F25E1D265F5@mydf7618c59bbf><007d01c9d7c1$9d9298a0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA><307668.19649.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com><5B8C654F756C48B283C8EC31339C6062@BennsDesktop>
	<4A135162.5040200@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <69474EBA29EF4C27B765342A312716F7@DBTech>

Mayf;

Don't expect to see one on the salt any time soon............

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:40 PM
To: Benn
Cc: land Speed List
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?

Oh, heck, That's easy to do! Just rev it up, drop the hammer and instant 
tire spin to 150 mph. Doesn't go forward at all. Just sits ther with the 
rear wheels spinning at 150 mph....

mayf
Benn wrote:

> Lessee...150-0 in two seconds, huh?  That would be about 3.4 G's--does 
> it have retro-rockets?
> Benn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Lackey" <mike_lackey at yahoo.com>
> To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:33 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?
>
>
>> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19883
>>
>> Or maybe not...
>>
>> Mike
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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Wed May 20 15:31:45 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:31:45 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?
In-Reply-To: <69474EBA29EF4C27B765342A312716F7@DBTech>
References: <3171051610C44DED925507FCB0F92C91@denpc><56A3C232689B462AB05E3F25E1D265F5@mydf7618c59bbf><007d01c9d7c1$9d9298a0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA><307668.19649.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com><5B8C654F756C48B283C8EC31339C6062@BennsDesktop><4A135162.5040200@mayfco.com>
	<69474EBA29EF4C27B765342A312716F7@DBTech>
Message-ID: <708BD858B7C6431C92AF264012C39F9A@DaveSatellite>

ROTFLMAO
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; "'Benn'" <karhu at california.com>
Cc: "'land Speed List'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?


> Mayf;
> 
> Don't expect to see one on the salt any time soon............
> 
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 5:40 PM
> To: Benn
> Cc: land Speed List
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?
> 
> Oh, heck, That's easy to do! Just rev it up, drop the hammer and instant 
> tire spin to 150 mph. Doesn't go forward at all. Just sits ther with the 
> rear wheels spinning at 150 mph....
> 
> mayf
> Benn wrote:
> 
>> Lessee...150-0 in two seconds, huh?  That would be about 3.4 G's--does 
>> it have retro-rockets?
>> Benn
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Lackey" <mike_lackey at yahoo.com>
>> To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:33 PM
>> Subject: [Land-speed] Production car to set B/BFMS record?
>>
>>
>>> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19883
>>>
>>> Or maybe not...
>>>
>>> Mike
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From advo at comcast.net  Thu May 21 13:35:05 2009
From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:35:05 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Scatter shield question
Message-ID: <C63B1719.3A65%advo@comcast.net>

I have what I9m told is a Lakewood shield for a small block Ford, drilled to
take a top-loader.
I would like to drill it to accept the bolt pattern on an 8BA flathead.  The
rulebook indicates that
If a shield is aftermarket and fulfills the SFI 6.1 we are good to go.  The
shield is definitely aftermarket,
but is 0.232 thick.  It appears to be hydro-formed.  Should I expect to find
any markings on it somewhere
To confirm that it is 6.1?  Do shields less than 0.252 attain SFI 6.1
status.  The testing is not based on thickness
Is it, but the actual ability to contain an explosion......The rulebook, as
I interpret it, says that if a shield must be
fabricated, it must be 0.252 thick.  So, do aftermarket shields necessarily
need to also be that thick?
Thanks
Greg

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Thu May 21 22:41:40 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:41:40 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Scatter shield question
References: <C63B1719.3A65%advo@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <405BA719907D40AFB37A269DBA9C807B@mydf7618c59bbf>

I think you answered your own question. If you make it, it must be a minimum 
of 1/4" thick. If the one you are willing to redrill to fit your block meets 
the SFI spec then it still will after you redrill it. I've never measured 
the thickness of a Lakewood, McCleod or any other "can". In my experience 
most SFI bellhousings just a sticker on them.. Good Luck
----- Original Message ----- 



> If a shield is aftermarket and fulfills the SFI 6.1 we are good to go. 
> The
> shield is definitely aftermarket,
> but is 0.232 thick.  It appears to be hydro-formed.  Should I expect to 
> find
> any markings on it somewhere
   The rulebook, as
> I interpret it, says that if a shield must be
> fabricated, it must be 0.252 thick. 

From saltfever at comcast.net  Fri May 22 22:19:06 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:19:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Scatter shield question
Message-ID: <000001c9db5d$9dc7faa0$d957efe0$@net>

There is always a theoretical and a practical side to things :-)

 

The SFI approval is for an exact specification. Each, original  "system"
design was proof tested as a complete assembly including the bolts, block
plate and the hydroformed bellhousing. That means the alloy (ductility) of
the metal and its thickness is as critical as the bolt grade, quantity of
bolts and hole locations.  As soon as you modify the assembly (i.e., drill
one or more holes in different locations or add or remove bolts; you no
longer meet the original spec (or the "as tested" configuration) and
theoretically you are not approved.  Even welding on a simple bracket will
disqualify the system. Each SFI configuration part number has either passed
an explosion proof test or has the engineering analysis to qualify it. Even
changing the motor type will disqualify the part number. 

 

However, there is no hydro formed system for any flathead. And since the
material properties of a hydroformed part are superior to a welded,
homemade, untested design; you will likely be looked at more favorably with
a modified Lakewood than the latter. I'm sure you plan on running the
block-plate as well!

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Sat May 23 06:55:57 2009
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 05:55:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] I'm back
Message-ID: <211326.41122.qm@web51003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

It looks like I'm back on the list. For those who may care my email is now V4GMR at yahoo.com

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 15:19:12 2009
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 14:19:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] brake part needed
Message-ID: <250459.8894.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anybody know where I can find a master cylinder brake pedal push rod
(manual brakes)  for a 1978 Firebird.  I have looked all over the intenet and
in every catalog I can find. My local dealer get's a "deer in the headlights
stare" when I mention a model older that 2005!
 
thanks,
DickJ
In east Texas 

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun May 24 16:21:55 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:21:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] brake part needed
In-Reply-To: <250459.8894.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <250459.8894.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <996CE9D109FE4AA7A028F3CA0DF79DF1@DBTech>

Dick;

A trip to your local junkyard is in your future. :)

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dick J
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:19 PM
To: lsr list autox
Subject: [Land-speed] brake part needed

Does anybody know where I can find a master cylinder brake pedal push rod
(manual brakes)  for a 1978 Firebird.  I have looked all over the intenet
and
in every catalog I can find. My local dealer get's a "deer in the headlights
stare" when I mention a model older that 2005!
 
thanks,
DickJ
In east Texas 
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From dlodom at charter.net  Sun May 24 16:26:26 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:26:26 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] brake part needed
References: <250459.8894.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006401c9dcbe$add871b0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Dick, Just make your own. If you can't, just send me a drawing and I will 
make you one. You can spend more time messing around looking for one than it 
takes to make one.       Doug in big ditch

Subject: [Land-speed] brake part needed


> Does anybody know where I can find a master cylinder brake pedal push rod
> (manual brakes)  for a 1978 Firebird.  I have looked all over the intenet 
> and
> in every catalog I can find. My local dealer get's a "deer in the 
> headlights
> stare" when I mention a model older that 2005!
>
> thanks,
> DickJ
> In east Texas

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sun May 24 16:37:37 2009
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:37:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] brake part needed
Message-ID: <904817.64569.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That was going to be my next step.  I figured I could use a female heims joint
for the pedal end, and a cut-off grade 8 bolt with a jam nut for the rod
itself.  Looks like a trip to Ace Hardware on Tuesday.
 
DickJ

--- On Sun, 5/24/09, Doug Odom <dlodom at charter.net> wrote:


From: Doug Odom <dlodom at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] brake part needed
To: "Dick J" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>, "lsr list autox"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 5:26 PM


Dick, Just make your own. If you can't, just send me a drawing and I will make
you one. You can spend more time messing around looking for one than it takes
to make one.       Doug in big ditch

Subject: [Land-speed] brake part needed


> Does anybody know where I can find a master cylinder brake pedal push rod
> (manual brakes)  for a 1978 Firebird.  I have looked all over the intenet
and
> in every catalog I can find. My local dealer get's a "deer in the
headlights
> stare" when I mention a model older that 2005!
>
> thanks,
> DickJ
> In east Texas

From adin at frontier.net  Sun May 24 17:48:05 2009
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:48:05 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] brake part needed
References: <904817.64569.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B2D5DA5E61FA4C7080E7C4C609A21BA6@ZTxp>

Open 9-5 in observance of the holiday.
YMMV (your mileage may vary)





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick J" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
To: "lsr list autox" <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Doug Odom" 
<dlodom at charter.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] brake part needed


> That was going to be my next step.  I figured I could use a female heims 
> joint
> for the pedal end, and a cut-off grade 8 bolt with a jam nut for the rod
> itself.  Looks like a trip to Ace Hardware on Tuesday.
>
> DickJ
>
> --- On Sun, 5/24/09, Doug Odom <dlodom at charter.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Doug Odom <dlodom at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] brake part needed
> To: "Dick J" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>, "lsr list autox"
> <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 5:26 PM
>
>
> Dick, Just make your own. If you can't, just send me a drawing and I will 
> make
> you one. You can spend more time messing around looking for one than it 
> takes
> to make one.       Doug in big ditch
>
> Subject: [Land-speed] brake part needed
>
>
>> Does anybody know where I can find a master cylinder brake pedal push rod
>> (manual brakes)  for a 1978 Firebird.  I have looked all over the intenet
> and
>> in every catalog I can find. My local dealer get's a "deer in the
> headlights
>> stare" when I mention a model older that 2005!
>>
>> thanks,
>> DickJ
>> In east Texas
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From adin at frontier.net  Mon May 25 13:03:58 2009
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:03:58 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] cold air supply question
Message-ID: <B308A2B49E414E3FB3F63D1C43F76C0A@ZTxp>

We want to supply cold air to a motor.  Is HP or displacement the determining
factor in "how big a pipe do we need so the motor doesn't starve for air?"

A carb is what? 4" or less of flow at wot?

I am supposing the length of pipe would matter at some point . . . at what
length?

Thanks for playing . . .

David

From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon May 25 13:53:56 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:53:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] cold air supply question
In-Reply-To: <B308A2B49E414E3FB3F63D1C43F76C0A@ZTxp>
References: <B308A2B49E414E3FB3F63D1C43F76C0A@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <1C5F9226AB7E403086F785AC1B9B64EF@DBTech>

David;

As long as you are not creating drag by adding a cold air inlet, why not
make it as big as possible? I think CFM (air flow) is the key question; air
flow velocity is a problem if the cross- sectional area gets small. Pressure
drop increases greatly as the velocity increases.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David in Durango
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:04 PM
To: LandSpeed list
Subject: [Land-speed] cold air supply question

We want to supply cold air to a motor.  Is HP or displacement the
determining
factor in "how big a pipe do we need so the motor doesn't starve for air?"

A carb is what? 4" or less of flow at wot?

I am supposing the length of pipe would matter at some point . . . at what
length?

Thanks for playing . . .

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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Mon May 25 19:36:48 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:36:48 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] cold air supply question
In-Reply-To: <1C5F9226AB7E403086F785AC1B9B64EF@DBTech>
References: <B308A2B49E414E3FB3F63D1C43F76C0A@ZTxp>
	<1C5F9226AB7E403086F785AC1B9B64EF@DBTech>
Message-ID: <20090526013645.C4E7118AB97@autox.team.net>

David,

Is your planned speed high enough for installation of a diffuser? If 
so, it could guide the design of your inlet. As Neil says, with the 
proper size inlet, air velocity is lower and manifold pressure is 
higher. If this is a street installation.....never mind the diffuser.......

Skip






At 12:53 PM 5/25/2009, neil at dbelltech.com wrote:
>David;
>
>As long as you are not creating drag by adding a cold air inlet, why not
>make it as big as possible? I think CFM (air flow) is the key question; air
>flow velocity is a problem if the cross- sectional area gets small. Pressure
>drop increases greatly as the velocity increases.
>
>Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
>[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David in Durango
>Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:04 PM
>To: LandSpeed list
>Subject: [Land-speed] cold air supply question
>
>We want to supply cold air to a motor.  Is HP or displacement the
>determining
>factor in "how big a pipe do we need so the motor doesn't starve for air?"
>
>A carb is what? 4" or less of flow at wot?

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Mon May 25 20:49:41 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:49:41 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] cold air supply question
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Cold air gains 1% for every 7 degrees F more ore less drag for inlet is V^3 
how fast do you go and where do you think the trades are ? here is a hint if 
you get colder air with an inlet that is just big enough that the engine 
uses all the air and basically sucks a hole in the air where the scoop is it 
could be a winner if it builds static pressure it is drag..
dave
----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: [Land-speed] cold air supply question


> We want to supply cold air to a motor.  Is HP or displacement the 
> determining
> factor in "how big a pipe do we need so the motor doesn't starve for air?"
>
> A carb is what? 4" or less of flow at wot?
>
> I am supposing the length of pipe would matter at some point . . . at what
> length?
>
> Thanks for playing . . .
>
> David
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon May 25 22:47:55 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:47:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] cold air supply question
In-Reply-To: <F9EB429439E940B59C488350F7D94CC9@DaveSatellite>
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	<F9EB429439E940B59C488350F7D94CC9@DaveSatellite>
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Dave, depends on where the inlet is. If for instance it was in a 
headlight bucket receptacle (ie remove the headlight and put a bell 
inlet there) that was already a high pressure point then there would be 
no drag increase  but would have some pressure assist. And with a proper 
designed ductwork at the termionation  slow the air down for presssure 
recovery as well..  The inlet could be anywhere where there is alrady a 
high dynamic pressure... But if you stick a big old scoop up in the air 
then you gonna spill air and it will increase drag...

Anyway, trundling off to bed... what's happening in your neck of the 
woods? Oh, watched an antique roadshow program from Ct this evening. Had 
some old Pub signs that were worth in the hundreds of thousands of 
dollars... get huntin"



mayf
Dave Dahlgren wrote:

> Cold air gains 1% for every 7 degrees F more ore less drag for inlet 
> is V^3 how fast do you go and where do you think the trades are ? here 
> is a hint if you get colder air with an inlet that is just big enough 
> that the engine uses all the air and basically sucks a hole in the air 
> where the scoop is it could be a winner if it builds static pressure 
> it is drag..
> dave
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
> To: "LandSpeed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 3:03 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] cold air supply question
>
>
>> We want to supply cold air to a motor.  Is HP or displacement the 
>> determining
>> factor in "how big a pipe do we need so the motor doesn't starve for 
>> air?"
>>
>> A carb is what? 4" or less of flow at wot?
>>
>> I am supposing the length of pipe would matter at some point . . . at 
>> what
>> length?
>>
>> Thanks for playing . . .
>>
>> David
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From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Thu May 28 20:50:11 2009
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:50:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Test
Message-ID: <330182.68723.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Working/

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Fri May 29 13:07:28 2009
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:07:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: RE:  Test
Message-ID: <771965.96871.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, Rich Fox <v4gmr at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Rich Fox <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Test
To: gary at hensleys.us
Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:31 AM






Seems like this test is the most exciting thing happening on the list lately.
I just put the access plate back on the firewall of the Vega. Jack emailed
that he will be down here pretty soon to pick it up for his effort at WoS. And
I am slowly getting a poor boy FI together for a Buick straight eight that is
supposed to run at Speedweek. Anybody else have anything for show and tell?

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, Gary C. Hensley <gary at hensleys.us> wrote:


From: Gary C. Hensley <gary at hensleys.us>
Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Test
To: "'Rich Fox'" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:12 AM


Back at you

   Gary C Hensley
1957 Berkeley Modified Sports #569

Fix What You Know is Wrong First



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich Fox
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To: land-speed at autox.team.net
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri May 29 18:27:34 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:27:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: RE:  Test
In-Reply-To: <771965.96871.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <771965.96871.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <26E96F57E6A4491E83B8202967CF67AF@DBTech>

Rich;

" Anybody else have anything for show and tell?"

Lots of cutting, grinding & welding but nothing photogenic.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich Fox
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:07 PM
To: land-speed
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: RE: Test

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, Rich Fox <v4gmr at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Rich Fox <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Test
To: gary at hensleys.us
Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:31 AM






Seems like this test is the most exciting thing happening on the list
lately.
I just put the access plate back on the firewall of the Vega. Jack emailed
that he will be down here pretty soon to pick it up for his effort at WoS.
And
I am slowly getting a poor boy FI together for a Buick straight eight that
is
supposed to run at Speedweek. Anybody else have anything for show and tell?

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, Gary C. Hensley <gary at hensleys.us> wrote:


From: Gary C. Hensley <gary at hensleys.us>
Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Test
To: "'Rich Fox'" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:12 AM


Back at you

   Gary C Hensley
1957 Berkeley Modified Sports #569

Fix What You Know is Wrong First



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To: land-speed at autox.team.net
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From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Fri May 29 21:41:46 2009
From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 03:41:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] Test
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I miss the list! 
Whilst trying to overcome the economy, I'm working with Bwana on the Loring effort. 
Then I have to get on the car so I don't flunk tech at our meet. 
It's never "run" before, except on the rollers. There are some thermo-dynamic questions to be resolved with the heavy stainless header growing in it's restricted space I fear. What's gonna melt, leak boost, etc.. I 'm going to redo some stuff that I think isn't good enough in another week or so. 

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat May 30 07:28:33 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 06:28:33 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Test
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Message-ID: <4A213481.4070008@wildblue.net>

Well I think that it's reasonable and sensible at this point for you
to go completely paranoid about heat. It worked for me and I
discovered that if you go fast enough, _*nobody*_ laughs.

Bryan



bobbyhotrods at comcast.net wrote:
> I miss the list! 
> Whilst trying to overcome the economy, I'm working with Bwana on the Loring effort. 
> Then I have to get on the car so I don't flunk tech at our meet. 
> It's never "run" before, except on the rollers. There are some thermo-dynamic questions to be resolved with the heavy stainless header growing in it's restricted space I fear. What's gonna melt, leak boost, etc.. I 'm going to redo some stuff that I think isn't good enough in another week or so. 

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun May 31 16:41:32 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:41:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sunbeam Alignment Stuff
Message-ID: <4A23079C.6050801@mayfco.com>

Ok, so today I put the car down on its feet and decided to do some 
tinkering regarding alignment parameters. I first built a couple of 
tools to make it easier for me to measure camber and toe angles.   When 
I measured the camber I found that the drivers side was at 1 degree 
negative (leans in toward the motor) while the passenger side is neutral 
at 0 degrees.  I can adjust the the camber reasonably easy to make it 
pretty much what is required. But there is the rub. This is a completely 
custom chassis.  So given that the wheel base on this puppy is really 
short at 90 inches, what the consensus for a good toe measurement? I am 
running a 24 inch diameter front runner. Is there a relationship between 
wheelbase, track width, tire diameter and toe measurements? Is the old 
standard of  about  1/8 toe appropriate for a short narrow car?  The 
Sunbeam Tiger toe is supposed to be 1/8 inch.  Does speed affect the toe 
requirements?

Also, what should camber be? I tend to like some negative camber 
(leaning in towards the motor)  although not much. I wouldn't mind 3 
degrees negative camber but, again, what is a fair number?

Here lately some of us  locals have been chatting about scrub radius. 
Scrub radius is the distance from the Suspension angle (ie the angle 
made by a line drawwn through the upper and lower ball joints when 
viewed from the front) where an imaginary line intersects the road 
surface and the centerline of the tire tread.  While I have not 
generally measured many of these, I suspect that most cars have 
somewhere in the 2 to 3 inch range of radius. That would mean the the 
forces developed by the tire at the center of the tread would act on a 3 
inch radius making  torque trying to move the tire into a turning 
movement, left on the drivers side, right on the passenger side.  When 
going dead straight those two forces cancel out. When making a turn, say 
left then things can go strange. In cars like mine with lots of caster a 
turn left is trying to lift the drivers sideof the car adding more load 
to that tire while on the other side it is trying to raise the tire 
lessining the load. Since the left wheel has more load then the force 
balance is upset and that would seem to make it seem like it has power 
steering. Easier to turn.  Maybe too much so, lol.  But with very small 
corrective turns on the course to keep it between the lines, I suspect 
that the effect is neglible. And yet, the faster you go the more it 
probably seems it is moving. A small twitch must seem like a monstrous 
movement at 300 plus mph. 

Again, what is considered a good suspension angle as well as an 
acceptable scrub radius? Any rationale floating around out there?

Any discussion on any of these items?

mayf