From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Feb  1 09:50:23 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 09:50:23 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Plasma Cutter
In-Reply-To: <E103F8AC39464D509B8FBA7B952EB334@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <6A971C48FD1645DAB5B3721A3871B45F@DBTech>
	<E103F8AC39464D509B8FBA7B952EB334@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <C935F25B6D4D43D7BB7BF8E133A37E06@DBTech>

Good advice, Keith-- thanks.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Turk [mailto:kturk at ala.net] 
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:38 PM
To: neil at dbelltech.com; land Speed List
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Plasma Cutter

Plasma cutters like supplies... so buy several for it as well as the center 
piece... ( I'd call it a tip )

One of the reasons to go with a name brand is the avalibility of expendable 
supplies these things eat... so if you can find the like equivelent unit... 
it would be GOOD...

Keith 

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Feb  1 09:52:35 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 09:52:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Plasma Cutter
In-Reply-To: <c56.4d1f1f72.36b68538@aol.com>
References: <c56.4d1f1f72.36b68538@aol.com>
Message-ID: <450EAA27C16241DB977D00B0F9BEABA8@DBTech>

Jim;

 

I will need to check-Keith alerted me to this as well.

 

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

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Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:55 PM
To: neil at dbelltech.com; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Plasma Cutter

 

Does HF sell the expendables?  They are where the up keep bucks are.  

 

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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Mon Feb  2 12:21:37 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:21:37 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Plasma Cutter
In-Reply-To: <450EAA27C16241DB977D00B0F9BEABA8@DBTech>
References: <c56.4d1f1f72.36b68538@aol.com>
	<450EAA27C16241DB977D00B0F9BEABA8@DBTech>
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Typically the Chinese will copy an American too. So if you can find out
which one, it's no problem ------ if they're still in business.

Bryan

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Feb  3 09:46:18 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:46:18 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms
Message-ID: <498874DA.50309@mayfco.com>

Wow! I finally managed to connect with a room at the Rainbow. They are 
sure wanting to cut down the riff raff who show up!  Good luck!

mayf

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue Feb  3 10:06:26 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:06:26 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms
References: <498874DA.50309@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <FF380869BE9249EA8A1E2463064C6D70@Glens>

Define riff raff.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms


> Wow! I finally managed to connect with a room at the Rainbow. They are 
> sure wanting to cut down the riff raff who show up!  Good luck!
> 
> mayf
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From adin at frontier.net  Tue Feb  3 10:25:18 2009
From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:25:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms
In-Reply-To: <FF380869BE9249EA8A1E2463064C6D70@Glens>
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	<FF380869BE9249EA8A1E2463064C6D70@Glens>
Message-ID: <20090203102518.05efuf7yysg4k0w8@webmail.brainstorminternet.net>

I would be interested if that was a "rainbow" term, or a Mayf term.

Riff raff: generally anyone who would be seen in public with a person
like myself. (my definition)

Of course, if this term is applied to the type of people that took up
a collection for old Mr. Munro - I would be proud to wear that t-shirt.

David, can see through designer clothes to the heart


Quoting Glen Barrett <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>:

> Define riff raff.
> Glen
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:46 AM
> Subject: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms
>
>
>> Wow! I finally managed to connect with a room at the Rainbow. They
>> are sure wanting to cut down the riff raff who show up!  Good luck!
>>
>> mayf
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Feb  3 11:49:55 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 10:49:55 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms
In-Reply-To: <FF380869BE9249EA8A1E2463064C6D70@Glens>
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I looked in the dictionary and there under riff raff was your picture, 
lol... I suspect it is to cut down on the rat rodders and car buffs who 
show up, then clutter up the fronts of the hotels with their impromptu 
care shows, beer guzzling, loud music, etc.   My definition.

mayf
Glen Barrett wrote:

> Define riff raff.
> Glen
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:46 AM
> Subject: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms
>
>
>> Wow! I finally managed to connect with a room at the Rainbow. They 
>> are sure wanting to cut down the riff raff who show up!  Good luck!
>>
>> mayf
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue Feb  3 12:09:18 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:09:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms
References: <498874DA.50309@mayfco.com>
	<FF380869BE9249EA8A1E2463064C6D70@Glens> <498891D3.3080701@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <C080EE84E2724793A7FF72C15ABADD3D@Glens>

The next time you come down the course I will announce that 
Dr.riff-raff-mayf has it pointed the right way.
GB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms


>I looked in the dictionary and there under riff raff was your picture, 
>lol... I suspect it is to cut down on the rat rodders and car buffs who 
>show up, then clutter up the fronts of the hotels with their impromptu care 
>shows, beer guzzling, loud music, etc.   My definition.
>
> mayf
> Glen Barrett wrote:
>
>> Define riff raff.
>> Glen
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:46 AM
>> Subject: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms
>>
>>
>>> Wow! I finally managed to connect with a room at the Rainbow. They are 
>>> sure wanting to cut down the riff raff who show up!  Good luck!
>>>
>>> mayf
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From David.Parks at lfr.com  Tue Feb  3 12:14:36 2009
From: David.Parks at lfr.com (Parks, David)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:14:36 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms
In-Reply-To: <C080EE84E2724793A7FF72C15ABADD3D@Glens>
References: <498874DA.50309@mayfco.com>
	<FF380869BE9249EA8A1E2463064C6D70@Glens> <498891D3.3080701@mayfco.com>
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If he does...   ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glen Barrett
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:09 AM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com
Cc: LSR
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms

The next time you come down the course I will announce that Dr.riff-raff-mayf
has it pointed the right way.
GB

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Feb  3 13:45:11 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:45:11 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms
In-Reply-To: <C080EE84E2724793A7FF72C15ABADD3D@Glens>
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	<FF380869BE9249EA8A1E2463064C6D70@Glens> <498891D3.3080701@mayfco.com>
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At the rate I been going trying to go backwards, that may be a plus! 
Hopefully my new secrets weapons will help that...now if I olnly knew 
how to drive...

mayf
Glen Barrett wrote:

> The next time you come down the course I will announce that 
> Dr.riff-raff-mayf has it pointed the right way.
> GB
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>
> Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms
>
>
>> I looked in the dictionary and there under riff raff was your 
>> picture, lol... I suspect it is to cut down on the rat rodders and 
>> car buffs who show up, then clutter up the fronts of the hotels with 
>> their impromptu care shows, beer guzzling, loud music, etc.   My 
>> definition.
>>
>> mayf
>> Glen Barrett wrote:
>>
>>> Define riff raff.
>>> Glen
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>>> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:46 AM
>>> Subject: [Land-speed] SpeedWeek Rooms
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wow! I finally managed to connect with a room at the Rainbow. They 
>>>> are sure wanting to cut down the riff raff who show up!  Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> mayf

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  3 19:48:31 2009
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:48:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question
Message-ID: <756393.6984.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

When did Chevy switch over from babbitt bearings to inserts in the six
banger?
 
DickJ 

From karhu at california.com  Tue Feb  3 21:33:32 2009
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:33:32 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question
References: <756393.6984.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6FE8C4509E5B484C91CB944EFA85FA0C@BennsDesktop>

my guess is '63, when the old 216/235 was retired.  But it's only a guess.
Benn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick J" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
To: "lsr list autox" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:48 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question


> When did Chevy switch over from babbitt bearings to inserts in the six
> banger?
> 
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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Tue Feb  3 21:42:54 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 20:42:54 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question
References: <756393.6984.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49891CCD.000001.00268@HOME>

1954 the first inserts

-------Original Message-------

From: Dick J
Date: 2/3/2009 6:48:43 PM
To: lsr list autox
Subject: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question

When did Chevy switch over from babbitt bearings to inserts in the six
banger?

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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Wed Feb  4 08:16:55 2009
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:16:55 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question
In-Reply-To: <756393.6984.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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WAY to late!!!!!!


---- Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> When did Chevy switch over from babbitt bearings to inserts in the six
> banger?
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From rjdenton479 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 08:44:36 2009
From: rjdenton479 at gmail.com (Robert J. Denton)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:44:36 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question
In-Reply-To: <20090204101655.4ENB5.1058031.imail@fed1rmwml30>
References: <756393.6984.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Guys, it was 1948. And that's it!!!

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:16 AM,  <sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:
> WAY to late!!!!!!
>
>
> ---- Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> When did Chevy switch over from babbitt bearings to inserts in the six
>> banger?
>>
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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 08:55:38 2009
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 07:55:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question
In-Reply-To: <45ac72e90902040744q79af61e9ude814d04f6ef8c5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <290165.77204.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I found some info in my old Motors Manual.  The changes were
sequential  through the 216 and 235 lifespan. -  Main berings changed firs,
then number of main bearings, then rod bearings.

DickJ
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From: Robert J. Denton <rjdenton479 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question
To: sparky.2211 at cox.net
Cc: lsr_man at yahoo.com, "lsr list autox" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 9:44 AM

Guys, it was 1948. And that's it!!!

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:16 AM,  <sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:
> WAY to late!!!!!!
>
>
> ---- Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> When did Chevy switch over from babbitt bearings to inserts in the six
>> banger?
>>
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From jolylance at earthlink.net  Wed Feb  4 09:56:48 2009
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:56:48 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question
References: <756393.6984.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<49891CCD.000001.00268@HOME>
Message-ID: <000601c986e9$979adb20$2101a8c0@WinXP>

My info is that they went to inserts in 1954, except for 235 powerglides in 
1953.

Not sure when they got rid of those heavy cast iron pistons.



Lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Bryant" <saltracer at awwwsome.com>
To: "lsr list autox" <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question


> 1954 the first inserts
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Dick J
> Date: 2/3/2009 6:48:43 PM
> To: lsr list autox
> Subject: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question
>
> When did Chevy switch over from babbitt bearings to inserts in the six
> banger?
>
> DickJ
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From karhu at california.com  Wed Feb  4 10:04:11 2009
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:04:11 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] last US flathead?
Message-ID: <F592704B42A742BABC3F5EBC85EE0CD2@BennsDesktop>

The adoption date for insert bearings in the Chev 6 got me wondering about
when the last US mfr stopped building flatheads.  Seems to me Plymouth still
was building them into 1960 or so...
Benn

From NT788 at comcast.net  Wed Feb  4 10:40:58 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:40:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] last US flathead?
In-Reply-To: <F592704B42A742BABC3F5EBC85EE0CD2@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <970143553.2281071233769258529.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Do you mean flathead engines? A "Flathead" is an old V8 built by Ford Motor Co! I'll bet Briggs and Stratton maybe Continental for big ones. jack 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com> 
To: land-speed at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:04:11 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Land-speed] last US flathead? 

The adoption date for insert bearings in the Chev 6 got me wondering about 
when the last US mfr stopped building flatheads. Seems to me Plymouth still 
was building them into 1960 or so... 
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Wed Feb  4 11:09:41 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:09:41 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] [Fwd: Re:  last US flathead?]
Message-ID: <4989D9E5.9010608@wildblue.net>

What do you call an inline 8 cyl Continental engine that has the valves 
in the block?
An underhead 8 ???

Bryan

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Land-speed] last US flathead?
Date: 	Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:40:58 +0000 (UTC)
From: 	NT788 at comcast.net
To: 	Benn <karhu at california.com>
CC: 	land-speed at autox.team.net



Do you mean flathead engines? A "Flathead" is an old V8 built by Ford Motor Co! 
I'll bet Briggs and Stratton maybe Continental for big ones. jack 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com> 
To: land-speed at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:04:11 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Land-speed] last US flathead? 

The adoption date for insert bearings in the Chev 6 got me wondering about 
when the last US mfr stopped building flatheads. Seems to me Plymouth still 
was building them into 1960 or so... 
Benn 
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Wed Feb  4 11:19:36 2009
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:19:36 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question
Message-ID: <FB31CFFA75234060A5D3415060F6375A@john>

Which was the last year Ford flatheads had poured main bearings


> When did Chevy switch over from babbitt bearings to inserts in the six
> banger?

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Feb  4 12:39:32 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:39:32 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Panel Fasteners...
Message-ID: <4989EEF4.4060303@mayfco.com>

We have all used the tried and true Dzus fasteners o hold stuff onto our 
vehicles. But what kind of quarter turn fastner do you use when you need 
a grip length longer than that available for a Dzus?  Any suggestions? I 
have considered cutting a dzus button and making it longer to fit the 
need, but are there similar already available?

mayf

From neil at dbelltech.com  Wed Feb  4 12:40:05 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:40:05 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] [Fwd: Re:  last US flathead?]
In-Reply-To: <4989D9E5.9010608@wildblue.net>
References: <4989D9E5.9010608@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <5F850FAFF75C43FBB38180ADBE33140D@DBTech>

I think it was called an "F-head", Bryan. No kidding.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Savage
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:10 AM
To: List Land Speed
Subject: [Land-speed] [Fwd: Re: last US flathead?]

What do you call an inline 8 cyl Continental engine that has the valves 
in the block?
An underhead 8 ???

Bryan

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Land-speed] last US flathead?
Date: 	Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:40:58 +0000 (UTC)
From: 	NT788 at comcast.net
To: 	Benn <karhu at california.com>
CC: 	land-speed at autox.team.net



Do you mean flathead engines? A "Flathead" is an old V8 built by Ford Motor
Co! 
I'll bet Briggs and Stratton maybe Continental for big ones. jack 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com> 
To: land-speed at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:04:11 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Land-speed] last US flathead? 

The adoption date for insert bearings in the Chev 6 got me wondering about 
when the last US mfr stopped building flatheads. Seems to me Plymouth still 
was building them into 1960 or so... 
Benn 
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From jolylance at earthlink.net  Wed Feb  4 13:09:09 2009
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:09:09 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] last US flathead?
References: <F592704B42A742BABC3F5EBC85EE0CD2@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <001601c98704$7767cc80$2101a8c0@WinXP>

Last flat head engines;

Last Plymouth was 59, Maybe some Studebakers after 58

DeSoto and Chrysler ended 53 or 54

Last Hudson was 56

Last Packard and Pontiac in 54.

Packard 1954 in-line flathead straight eight had 8.7 CR, nice quench area, 
think it was the highest stock CR of ANY production engine in 1954 including 
the "modern" OHV V8s.

I think my 63 Corvette 327 cid, 340 HP still holds the CR record at 11.25 
for U.S. production engines.

Lance


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] last US flathead?


> The adoption date for insert bearings in the Chev 6 got me wondering about
> when the last US mfr stopped building flatheads.  Seems to me Plymouth 
> still
> was building them into 1960 or so...
> Benn
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From jolylance at earthlink.net  Wed Feb  4 13:13:42 2009
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:13:42 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] [Fwd: Re:  last US flathead?]
References: <4989D9E5.9010608@wildblue.net>
	<5F850FAFF75C43FBB38180ADBE33140D@DBTech>
Message-ID: <001c01c98705$1391d380$2101a8c0@WinXP>

I thought F heads had OVH intakes and in-block exhaust valves---Some Jeep or 
Nash engines ?

Lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: "'Bryan Savage'" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>; "'List Land Speed'" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] [Fwd: Re: last US flathead?]


>I think it was called an "F-head", Bryan. No kidding.
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Savage
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:10 AM
> To: List Land Speed
> Subject: [Land-speed] [Fwd: Re: last US flathead?]
>
> What do you call an inline 8 cyl Continental engine that has the valves
> in the block?
> An underhead 8 ???
>
> Bryan

From joetimney at dol.net  Wed Feb  4 13:31:53 2009
From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:31:53 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Panel Fasteners...
In-Reply-To: <4989EEF4.4060303@mayfco.com>
References: <4989EEF4.4060303@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4989FB39.7000304@dol.net>

Mayf,
How thick do you need???

joe

drmayf wrote:
> We have all used the tried and true Dzus fasteners o hold stuff onto 
> our vehicles. But what kind of quarter turn fastner do you use when 
> you need a grip length longer than that available for a Dzus?  Any 
> suggestions? I have considered cutting a dzus button and making it 
> longer to fit the need, but are there similar already available?
>
> mayf

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed Feb  4 14:10:22 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:10:22 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Chevy Six Question
Message-ID: <003401c9870d$00b44ab0$6401a8c0@S>

FWD to list with edits.
EW
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
To: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Chevy Six Question


> In the 85hp V-8's Ford phased in the insert main brarings with the LB
blocks
> sometime during the model year 1936.  By `1937 they all used insert mains.
> Ford made 4 cylinder variants of the Model B 4 banger in light trucks up
til
> around maybe 1941.  I don't think they used insert main bearings; but I'm
> not sure.
> Ed Weldon

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
> To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:19 AM
> > Which was the last year Ford flatheads had poured main bearings

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Wed Feb  4 14:10:09 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:10:09 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] [Fwd: Re:  last US flathead?]
References: <4989D9E5.9010608@wildblue.net>
	<5F850FAFF75C43FBB38180ADBE33140D@DBTech>
Message-ID: <498A0430.00000D.03884@HOME>

Fellows, I am losing it, but the 4-cylinder F-head was used in a Jeep with
over-head intake valves and exhaust valve in the block. The in-line with
valves in the block are L-heads as I remember. I did forget that Chevrolet 6
had the inserts in 1953 with Powerglide. It helps to be refreshed.

Tom, Redding CA - #216D/FCC

-------Original Message-------

From: neil at dbelltech.com
Date: 2/4/2009 12:03:11 PM
To: 'Bryan Savage';  'List Land Speed'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] [Fwd: Re: last US flathead?]

I think it was called an "F-head", Bryan. No kidding.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

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From v4gr at rcn.com  Wed Feb  4 15:02:33 2009
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:02:33 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] last US flathead?
References: <F592704B42A742BABC3F5EBC85EE0CD2@BennsDesktop>
	<001601c98704$7767cc80$2101a8c0@WinXP>
Message-ID: <447B56D46384474BB8E47DCC454FAD30@your55e5f9e3d2>

Stude six went to OHV in 63 I believe.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joseph lance" <jolylance at earthlink.net>
To: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] last US flathead?


> Last flat head engines;
>
> Last Plymouth was 59, Maybe some Studebakers after 58
>
> DeSoto and Chrysler ended 53 or 54
>
> Last Hudson was 56
>
> Last Packard and Pontiac in 54.
>
> Packard 1954 in-line flathead straight eight had 8.7 CR, nice quench area, 
> think it was the highest stock CR of ANY production engine in 1954 
> including the "modern" OHV V8s.
>
> I think my 63 Corvette 327 cid, 340 HP still holds the CR record at 11.25 
> for U.S. production engines.
>
> Lance
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:04 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] last US flathead?
>
>
>> The adoption date for insert bearings in the Chev 6 got me wondering 
>> about
>> when the last US mfr stopped building flatheads.  Seems to me Plymouth 
>> still
>> was building them into 1960 or so...
>> Benn
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 17:15:34 2009
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:15:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Re:  Panel Fasteners...
Message-ID: <622185.8861.qm@web52508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Cutting and extending a Dzus button is common. We had buttons 2" long to hold
the tonneau on the Alfa.
 
DW

--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Joe Timney <joetimney at dol.net> wrote:

From: Joe Timney <joetimney at dol.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Panel Fasteners...
To: drmayf at mayfco.com
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 12:31 PM

Mayf,
How thick do you need???

joe

drmayf wrote:
> We have all used the tried and true Dzus fasteners o hold stuff onto our
vehicles. But what kind of quarter turn fastner do you use when you need a
grip
length longer than that available for a Dzus?  Any suggestions? I have
considered cutting a dzus button and making it longer to fit the need, but
are
there similar already available?
>
> mayf
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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Wed Feb  4 18:22:53 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:22:53 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] last US flathead?
References: <F592704B42A742BABC3F5EBC85EE0CD2@BennsDesktop>
	<001601c98704$7767cc80$2101a8c0@WinXP>
	<447B56D46384474BB8E47DCC454FAD30@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <498A3F6C.000007.02404@HOME>

It was first introduced in 1951 and used from 1952 in Studebaker. I don't
know when the quit the L-head for sure.

Tom

-------Original Message-------

From: Rich Fox
Date: 2/4/2009 2:23:55 PM
To: joseph lance;  Benn;  land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] last US flathead?

Stude six went to OHV in 63 I believe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "joseph lance" <jolylance at earthlink.net>
To: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] last US flathead?


> Last flat head engines;
>
> Last Plymouth was 59, Maybe some Studebakers after 58
>
> DeSoto and Chrysler ended 53 or 54
>
> Last Hudson was 56
>
> Last Packard and Pontiac in 54.
>
> Packard 1954 in-line flathead straight eight had 8.7 CR, nice quench area,
> think it was the highest stock CR of ANY production engine in 1954
> including the "modern" OHV V8s.
>
> I think my 63 Corvette 327 cid, 340 HP still holds the CR record at 11.25
> for U.S. production engines.
>
> Lance
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:04 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] last US flathead?
>
>
>> The adoption date for insert bearings in the Chev 6 got me wondering
>> about
>> when the last US mfr stopped building flatheads.  Seems to me Plymouth
>> still
>> was building them into 1960 or so...
>> Benn
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From zoombot at cox.net  Thu Feb  5 15:18:15 2009
From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:18:15 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed]  last US Flathead?
Message-ID: <21B04752D6314068B21FDF2CD3E4D41B@HomePC>

    Rich Fox & List -

    "Stude went to OHV in 63 I believe".

    If I remember correctly, some Larks had OHV conversions fitted to
Studebaker's venerable old 170 c.i. "Champion Six" inline engine. When the
South Bend plant closed in December of '63, production resumed in the
Hamilton, Ontario plant using McKinnon "Chevy" inline engines.

    - Chris Pile aka aircap

From v4gr at rcn.com  Thu Feb  5 16:25:27 2009
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:25:27 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] last US Flathead?
References: <21B04752D6314068B21FDF2CD3E4D41B@HomePC>
Message-ID: <A8AFCB8D20DE4B2FB2C75F7CB3920B68@your55e5f9e3d2>

My '62 Lark came with a 170 inch OHV 6. My Motors Manual shows '61 as the 
first year of OHV Studebaker 6 cylinder motors. I'm saving the original 
engine just in case I need it someday.  RF
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pile,Chris" <zoombot at cox.net>
To: "Land Speed Digest" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:18 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] last US Flathead?


>    Rich Fox & List -
>
>    "Stude went to OHV in 63 I believe".
>
>    If I remember correctly, some Larks had OHV conversions fitted to
> Studebaker's venerable old 170 c.i. "Champion Six" inline engine. When the
> South Bend plant closed in December of '63, production resumed in the
> Hamilton, Ontario plant using McKinnon "Chevy" inline engines.
>
>    - Chris Pile aka aircap
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Fri Feb  6 11:03:25 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:03:25 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lake Gairdner salt conditions?
Message-ID: <76B03814-44BA-4370-AC11-B33240E5B0D2@comcast.net>

Anyone have an idea of what the salt is like at Lake Gairdner given  
the flooding in other parts of Australia?

Wes

From NT788 at comcast.net  Fri Feb  6 11:27:19 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:27:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] Lake Gairdner salt conditions?
In-Reply-To: <76B03814-44BA-4370-AC11-B33240E5B0D2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1832546600.436391233944839770.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I hear the Assie smog nazi's won't allow speed trails there. 
jack 





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Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 10:03:25 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Land-speed] Lake Gairdner salt conditions? 

Anyone have an idea of what the salt is like at Lake Gairdner given 
the flooding in other parts of Australia? 

Wes 
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Feb  6 18:08:22 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:08:22 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Lake Gairdner salt conditions?
In-Reply-To: <76B03814-44BA-4370-AC11-B33240E5B0D2@comcast.net>
References: <76B03814-44BA-4370-AC11-B33240E5B0D2@comcast.net>
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Well, given that they were having tribal stakeholder issues, may be a 
moot point? I wonder how that went?

mayf
Wester Potter wrote:

> Anyone have an idea of what the salt is like at Lake Gairdner given  
> the flooding in other parts of Australia?
>
> Wes
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  7 08:45:19 2009
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 07:45:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] 2009 Speedweek inspection dates
Message-ID: <360962.58737.qm@web52503.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

For those who do not visit www.landracing.com I posted this today:
 
"Last night the combined SCTA-BNI boards made the decision to open the salt
one day earlier than published for inpection and pit setup. The first day the
salt will be available to entrants is Thursday August 6th. The salt will open
at 7AM for pit setup, inspections will begin at approx. 10AM. This will be a
free day for everyone, no gate charges. The schedule for Friday August 7th
will remain as published, Friday will also be a free day. At this time it has
not been confirmed if the gas truck will be open on Thursday.

It is hoped that this schedule change will help relieve the pressures and
tensions of the tech lines for our entrants and inspectors. There is no need
to change your room reservations, there is plenty of time to get all the work
done before racing begins on Saturday, August 8th."
 
DW

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Feb 11 10:48:13 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:48:13 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Old Speed Records...
Message-ID: <49930F5D.2080509@mayfco.com>

Just sitting here and had an odd thought (well all my thoughts are 
considered odd by some, lol)... was there ever an instance when a car or 
bike was driven on the Daytona sand and then on the salt? Without a lot 
of mods in  between? Curious as to how much the rolling resistance 
differences might have been.  Seems like wet sand would have a lot.

mayf

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Feb 11 11:38:27 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:38:27 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Old Speed Records...
In-Reply-To: <49930F5D.2080509@mayfco.com>
References: <49930F5D.2080509@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <95280D74-DA43-47F4-9656-E34C0B23760A@comcast.net>

mayf,

It likely was John Cobb, he was the first Brit to run on the salt but  
as an endurance racer.  He drove the Napier-Railton for 100 miles at a  
152.95 average speed.  I'm not sure where he had run before that July  
attempt.

Malcolm Campbell was the first to set a straightaway speed record on  
the salt of over 300 mph.  He had gone 273 at Daytona Beach in the  
Bluebird in the spring of 1935 and his two way average that summer at  
Bonneville was 301.13 mph.

Wes

On Feb 11, 2009, at 10:48 AM, drmayf wrote:

> Just sitting here and had an odd thought (well all my thoughts are  
> considered odd by some, lol)... was there ever an instance when a  
> car or bike was driven on the Daytona sand and then on the salt?  
> Without a lot of mods in  between? Curious as to how much the  
> rolling resistance differences might have been.  Seems like wet sand  
> would have a lot.
>
> mayf
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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Wed Feb 11 12:35:24 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:35:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Old Speed Records...
Message-ID: <27195152.1234380924651.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Karol Miller did it with his 1956 Ford Victoria in the 50's. I believe he ran at Bonneville first and at a later date went to Daytona.  When he first ran at Bonneville he used an unblown 300+ inch engine in "C" and ran near 150 mph. If you look up the old Hot Rod Magazines that was considered one of the best achievments when he did it. At Daytona he used a smaller cubic engine with a Latham blower and went 158. I have a copy of his speed at Daytona in 1958. He also ran that same combination at Bonneville but I don't have the speed. The speeds were very close to the same. 

Last year he was prepping to return to Bonneville with a clone of the original '56 Victoria. I haven't talked with him lately so I don't know how the car was coming along. He is still considered one of the greatest Ford Y-Block racers of all time and a hero in that fraternity. He is also one of my all time heros in racing. 

He also has a NHRA Championship ring when the Singer-Miller dragster won the championship during the nitro ban. It was powered by a big OHV Lincoln...JD


>
  Seems like wet sand would have a lot.
>
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed Feb 11 17:55:05 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:55:05 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] 3m 1357 Scotch-Weld Neoprene High performance
 contact Adhesive
References: <27195152.1234380924651.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <009001c98cac$8efae280$6401a8c0@S>

My son , David, the mechanical engineer showed me how he uses this 3M 1357
adhesive to glue the heavy leather protective strips to the toes of his
hockey skates.  He says it's the only adhesive that works.
When I saw it I thought of other uses, especially for last minute stuff on
the race cars.  It comes in 5 oz. tubes and pints and quarts.  May be hard
to find except on the internet or industrial adhesive suppliers in larger
cities.
Ed Weldon

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Wed Feb 11 18:26:39 2009
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:26:39 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] 3m 1357 Scotch-Weld Neoprene High performance
 contact Adhesive
In-Reply-To: <009001c98cac$8efae280$6401a8c0@S>
References: <27195152.1234380924651.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<009001c98cac$8efae280$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <74889C63-49BC-43EE-BB00-35A310DF5E7B@nancyandjon.org>

On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Ed Weldon wrote:

My son , David, the mechanical engineer showed me how he uses this 3M  
1357
adhesive to glue the heavy leather protective strips to the toes of his
hockey skates.  He says it's the only adhesive that works.
When I saw it I thought of other uses, especially for last minute  
stuff on
the race cars.  It comes in 5 oz. tubes and pints and quarts.  May be  
hard
to find except on the internet or industrial adhesive suppliers in  
larger
cities.
Ed Weldon

You might be able to get it at a car parts store.  I've found a good  
number of specialized 3M products at the local CarQuest, and I'd  
expect that Mike Crawford, the guy that owns and runs the CQ in  
Wendover, would be able to get and stock the stuff -- especially if  
someone requested him to do so.  Worth a try. . .

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From dlodom at charter.net  Wed Feb 11 18:47:17 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:47:17 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] 3m 1357 Scotch-Weld Neoprene High performance
 contact Adhesive
References: <27195152.1234380924651.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<009001c98cac$8efae280$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <00bc01c98cb3$d683db50$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Ed, I've used JB Weld for fixing my motorcycle racing boots and work boots. 
I will have to see if this stuff works as good or better.

 Doug Odom in big ditch



> My son , David, the mechanical engineer showed me how he uses this 3M 1357
> adhesive to glue the heavy leather protective strips to the toes of his
> hockey skates.  He says it's the only adhesive that works.
> When I saw it I thought of other uses, especially for last minute stuff on
> the race cars.  It comes in 5 oz. tubes and pints and quarts.  May be hard
> to find except on the internet or industrial adhesive suppliers in larger
> cities.
> Ed Weldon

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed Feb 11 19:25:39 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:25:39 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] 3m 1357 Scotch-Weld Neoprene High performance
 contact Adhesive
References: <27195152.1234380924651.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<009001c98cac$8efae280$6401a8c0@S>
	<00bc01c98cb3$d683db50$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <009b01c98cb9$349c0b90$6401a8c0@S>

Doug -- It's a contact cement.  Works different than JB weld , which is a
filled 2 part epoxy and sets pretty hard without much flex.  We've all had
experience with contact cement.  It usually allows some flex.  It holds as
long as nothing is continuously pulling on it.  This 1357 stuff is a whole
lot stronger, maybe a better description is tougher.  Contact cement on
nitro.  If you've ever tried to use the ordinary shoe glue to repair leather
on shoes you know that it can be pulled off.  There was no way I could pull
those leather protectors off David's skates without all my strength and a
good pair of pliers to grip the heavy leather.
David plays amatuer hockey in a league in San Jose that regularly uses the
Shark's practice rink.  It's a heavy contact sport and some of the palyers
are not the best skaters. 1/8" thick Leather strips glued onto the outside
of his skates at heel and toe to protect the main skate from being torn up
by the blades and carbon fiber hockey sticks of the other players when the
crash.
If you've ever tried using double stick tape and been unhappy when it came
loose, try this stuff.  Just don't plan on taking it apart without wrecking
any non-metallic that it is holding together.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
To: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>; "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 3m 1357 Scotch-Weld Neoprene High performance
contact Adhesive


> Ed, I've used JB Weld for fixing my motorcycle racing boots and work
boots.
> I will have to see if this stuff works as good or better.
>
>  Doug Odom in big ditch
>
>
>
> > My son , David, the mechanical engineer showed me how he uses this 3M
1357
> > adhesive to glue the heavy leather protective strips to the toes of his
> > hockey skates.  He says it's the only adhesive that works.
> > When I saw it I thought of other uses, especially for last minute stuff
on
> > the race cars.  It comes in 5 oz. tubes and pints and quarts.  May be
hard
> > to find except on the internet or industrial adhesive suppliers in
larger
> > cities.
> > Ed Weldon

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Feb 12 09:46:54 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:46:54 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 3m 1357 Scotch-Weld Neoprene High performance
 contact Adhesive
In-Reply-To: <74889C63-49BC-43EE-BB00-35A310DF5E7B@nancyandjon.org>
References: <27195152.1234380924651.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net><009001c98cac$8efae280$6401a8c0@S>
	<74889C63-49BC-43EE-BB00-35A310DF5E7B@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <3386C6617F9743FA94708E2A1517D584@DBTech>

Thanks, Ed-- I'll look for some of that stuff; it sounds vey helpful!

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jon Wennerberg
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:27 PM
To: Ed Weldon
Cc: LSR
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 3m 1357 Scotch-Weld Neoprene High performance
contact Adhesive

On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Ed Weldon wrote:

My son , David, the mechanical engineer showed me how he uses this 3M  
1357
adhesive to glue the heavy leather protective strips to the toes of his
hockey skates.  He says it's the only adhesive that works.
When I saw it I thought of other uses, especially for last minute  
stuff on
the race cars.  It comes in 5 oz. tubes and pints and quarts.  May be  
hard
to find except on the internet or industrial adhesive suppliers in  
larger
cities.
Ed Weldon

You might be able to get it at a car parts store.  I've found a good  
number of specialized 3M products at the local CarQuest, and I'd  
expect that Mike Crawford, the guy that owns and runs the CQ in  
Wendover, would be able to get and stock the stuff -- especially if  
someone requested him to do so.  Worth a try. . .

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats
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From yesford at clear.net.nz  Thu Feb 12 15:36:29 2009
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:36:29 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] Really neat old footage
Message-ID: <9ACBC6D3F3BF429695E59FC5BD59BFDF@ChrisHarrisPC>

One of the best clips I've seen of early dirt track, dry lake 
racing......................enjoy.

Chris Harris...........................NZed.

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Thu Feb 12 16:17:24 2009
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:17:24 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] Link to- Really neat old footage
Message-ID: <69DE6BBD23044A4B888B61EAD3477D09@ChrisHarrisPC>

Sorry people, link didn't appear, hope it's there this time.

 One of the best clips I've seen of early dirt track, dry lake 
 racing......................enjoy.
 
 Chris Harris...........................NZed.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/12221/1578900 

From adin at frontier.net  Thu Feb 12 17:25:37 2009
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:25:37 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Link to- Really neat old footage
References: <69DE6BBD23044A4B888B61EAD3477D09@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <001801c98d71$9830ddd0$6401a8c0@ZTxp>

that's great - those little puppies are eXpen$ive at the flea market.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Harris" <yesford at clear.net.nz>
To: "Land speed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Link to- Really neat old footage


> Sorry people, link didn't appear, hope it's there this time.
> 
> One of the best clips I've seen of early dirt track, dry lake 
> racing......................enjoy.
> 
> Chris Harris...........................NZed.
> 
> http://video.yahoo.com/watch/12221/1578900 
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From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Mon Feb 16 09:44:32 2009
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:44:32 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] TV/VCR/Tivo/DVR Alert
Message-ID: <FF848D0FE5BF41B99BDA128A608BF17E@531W>

Feb 17, 10:00 pm
(60 minutes)

Rebroadcast:
Feb 18, 2:00 am

Wreckreation Nation with Dave Mordal

Bonneville
TV-PG (LV)
it's off to the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah,
where people come from all over the world to break
land speed records on everything from a barstool to a big-rig.


 Second segment of the program, on Bonneville, from the description
I would say it was filmed during USFRA World of Speed.

======================================================
Be Alert, America needs more Lerts.......................

From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Mon Feb 16 09:48:53 2009
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:48:53 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] OOPS: correction to last post. TV/DVR/VCR/Tivo Alert
Message-ID: <AD4B381CBA9942A297EC83A3DFB146EF@531W>

Feb 17, 10:00 pm  EST  Discovery Channel.......
(60 minutes)

Rebroadcast:
Feb 18, 2:00 am

Wreckreation Nation with Dave Mordal

Bonneville
TV-PG (LV)
it's off to the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah,
where people come from all over the world to break
land speed records on everything from a barstool to a big-rig.


 Second segment of the program, on Bonneville, from the description
I would say it was filmed during USFRA World of Speed.

============================================================

Be Alert, America needs more Lerts..

Guess I wasn't Alert enough forgot the time zone and channel...

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Mon Feb 16 10:46:10 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:46:10 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Honda Insight
Message-ID: <4999A662.8050800@wildblue.net>

I forgot who on the list was working on a Honda Insight.
I'd like to know the status of that project.

Thanks,
Bryan

From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Mon Feb 16 11:08:31 2009
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:08:31 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Honda Insight
References: <4999A662.8050800@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <51E0AEC296A04DC4BFF57D07B5B4D11E@531W>

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 12:46 PM
To: "List Land Speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Honda Insight

> I forgot who on the list was working on a Honda Insight.
> I'd like to know the status of that project.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bryan
> 



Bob W, #343 2000 Honda Insight...
BWANA343 at aol.com; 

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Mon Feb 16 11:20:25 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:20:25 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Thank to all
Message-ID: <4999AE69.5080800@wildblue.net>

Thank you Gentlemen.

I knew I could depend on you,
Bryan

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 16 15:30:05 2009
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:30:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] 327 - 350 SBC
Message-ID: <840628.88828.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How can you visually tell a  327 from a 350 small block Chevy motor?
DickJ
In East Texas

From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon Feb 16 16:06:20 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:06:20 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 327 - 350 SBC
In-Reply-To: <840628.88828.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <840628.88828.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2F3DAF78BB024DBEB6BDEEA4297416C1@DBTech>

Dick;

I always rely on the casting number.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dick J
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:30 PM
To: lsr list autox
Subject: [Land-speed] 327 - 350 SBC

How can you visually tell a  327 from a 350 small block Chevy motor?
DickJ
In East Texas
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From rbuck at xmission.com  Mon Feb 16 18:12:58 2009
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:12:58 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 327 - 350 SBC
In-Reply-To: <840628.88828.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <840628.88828.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1LZEVf-0002it-Sz@mx04.mta.xmission.com>

If I recall correctly, 350 blocks and 327 blocks are identical.  It's 
the stroke that makes the difference.  I thought all 327s were 
small-journal motors, but there may have been one year where a large 
journal 327 was made.  I've also been told that one can create a 327 
from a 350 by using a 307 crank and rods.  I've never tried it, but 
it seemed logical at the time I heard it.

RtR


At 03:30 PM 2/16/2009, Dick J wrote:
>How can you visually tell a  327 from a 350 small block Chevy motor?
>DickJ
>In East Texas

From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Mon Feb 16 18:19:53 2009
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:19:53 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] 327 - 350 SBC
In-Reply-To: <E1LZEVf-0002it-Sz@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
References: <840628.88828.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E1LZEVf-0002it-Sz@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20B9A8350@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

 Good chevy notes with information links at the bottom of the page

http://www.mortec.com/notepg1.htm


Mike Meierle
#847 F/BMMP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder



-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ray Buck
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:13 PM
To: lsr_man at yahoo.com; lsr list autox
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 327 - 350 SBC

If I recall correctly, 350 blocks and 327 blocks are identical.  It's
the stroke that makes the difference.  I thought all 327s were
small-journal motors, but there may have been one year where a large
journal 327 was made.  I've also been told that one can create a 327
from a 350 by using a 307 crank and rods.  I've never tried it, but it
seemed logical at the time I heard it.

RtR


At 03:30 PM 2/16/2009, Dick J wrote:
>How can you visually tell a  327 from a 350 small block Chevy motor?
>DickJ
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Tue Feb 17 22:43:24 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:43:24 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] 327 - 350 SBC
Message-ID: <B6F257F255DD40A29E897D17EC8CFEF1@dim8100>

As Neil said the only exact way is to look at the serial number. But even
then you can't be sure unless you check the bore and stroke because of the
ease of changing cranks during a rebuild. Not sure of the reason for your
question but it is just too general to answer. If you want a particular
block for a "numbers matching" deal then you have to have the correct serial
number. If you want the displacement then any 4 inch bore chevy with 3.25
crank will do it. Chevy made only three cranks. 3, 3.25, and 3.48 stroke (in
both large and small journal). The 262, 307, 327, all had the 3.25 stroke.
In early years there were engine mount holes on the front. Later, when they
used side mounts, they continued with the unused front holes. In  '86 they
went with a one piece seal crank. (smaller round flywheel mounting flange).
So visually you can tell if it is a pre or post '86 block if you can see the
crank rear. When EFI came in, the mechanical fuel pump boss went away on
some. There are only two absolutes! . . . (2) If you want the block you HAVE
to use the serial number (2) if you want the displacement then pull a head
and check bore/stroke.

From saltfever at comcast.net  Tue Feb 17 22:58:28 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:58:28 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] 327-350 SBC
Message-ID: <8F1AB0C86E5E42DB9378F22412384A82@dim8100>

Opps, I think I am wrong about the V-8, 262. Maybe it was a 3.10 crank?

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Feb 20 13:44:23 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:44:23 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection..
Message-ID: <499F1627.6080107@mayfco.com>

I have added fender wells to the SUnbeam. As a consequence it is gonna 
get hot in the engine room. My water injection line is 1/4 od high 
quality air line. I would like some suggestions for sliding something 
over it to gie it some heat protection. Yeah, I know I can get 
firesleeve or some such, but the cost is similar in dollar size to the 
bailout package for the length I need. So what else can I slide over the 
line?

mayf

From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri Feb 20 14:30:29 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:30:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection..
In-Reply-To: <499F1627.6080107@mayfco.com>
References: <499F1627.6080107@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <7F8E4A2ABBBF4AB3968DE24E253E1D61@DBTech>

Mayf;

Providing your "air line" is not plastic, I wouldn't worry about it.
Reinforced neoprene can take a fair amount of heat.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:44 PM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection..

I have added fender wells to the SUnbeam. As a consequence it is gonna 
get hot in the engine room. My water injection line is 1/4 od high 
quality air line. I would like some suggestions for sliding something 
over it to gie it some heat protection. Yeah, I know I can get 
firesleeve or some such, but the cost is similar in dollar size to the 
bailout package for the length I need. So what else can I slide over the 
line?

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From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri Feb 20 14:32:04 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:32:04 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Jaguar At Bonneville Video
Message-ID: <A7BCA3F31DF145FA8CA891D64AD3A7AE@DBTech>

FWIW:

 

http://engineeringtv.com/blogs/etv/archive/2009/01/26/jaguar-rockets-past-22
5-mph.aspx

 

 

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Fri Feb 20 15:31:21 2009
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:31:21 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection..
Message-ID: <09B396C7EA07403BA1BA3AE34D087ECF@john>

Mayf
In '68? When Pontiac was working on the transam trim package the ac people 
objected to the hood scoop maybe raising the underhood temp . The styling 
dept checked and found that at cruising speed the upper engine compartment 
was 2 deg warmer than ambient . The guy who advised them on the spoilers 
told me that .



>I have added fender wells to the SUnbeam. As a consequence it is gonna get 
>hot in the engine room. My water injection line is 1/4 od high quality air 
>line. I would like some suggestions for sliding something over it to gie it 
>some heat protection. Yeah, I know I can get firesleeve or some such, but 
>the cost is similar in dollar size to the bailout package for the length I 
>need. So what else can I slide over the line?
>
> mayf
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Sat Feb 21 17:46:26 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:46:26 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection
Message-ID: <DE863ADE63514183B84386BDC70AEE87@dim8100>

Local hardware store for the stuff used to keep your water pipes from
freezing. Or lay it in a tray and pour the 2-part foam in a can used for
home insulation if a rigid line is ok. 

 

From: drmayf

. . . My water injection line is 1/4 od high quality air line. I would like
some suggestions for sliding something over it to gie it some heat
protection. 

From karhu at california.com  Sat Feb 21 18:29:28 2009
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:29:28 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection
References: <DE863ADE63514183B84386BDC70AEE87@dim8100>
Message-ID: <A06CDBD943F34C1B8F3F6705C32A1E93@BennsDesktop>

I don't think that foam stuff for pipes is gonna have sufficient high-temp 
and radiation resistance--might even be rather flamable.  I'd guess the 
subject lines go near the exhaust, perhaps?  You then need radiation 
shielding as much as or more than insulation.  So I'd be thinking metal 
(with some sort of liner/spacer just to keep the metal out of contact with 
the line).
Benn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elon" <saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "land-speed submit" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection


> Local hardware store for the stuff used to keep your water pipes from
> freezing. Or lay it in a tray and pour the 2-part foam in a can used for
> home insulation if a rigid line is ok.
>
>
>
> From: drmayf
>
> . . . My water injection line is 1/4 od high quality air line. I would 
> like
> some suggestions for sliding something over it to gie it some heat
> protection.

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Feb 21 18:37:50 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:37:50 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection
In-Reply-To: <A06CDBD943F34C1B8F3F6705C32A1E93@BennsDesktop>
References: <DE863ADE63514183B84386BDC70AEE87@dim8100>
	<A06CDBD943F34C1B8F3F6705C32A1E93@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <49A0AC6E.2050701@mayfco.com>

Guys, thanks for all the possible solutions. I think I have one that is 
good enough. I am just gonna fold over a piece of header wrap material, 
have the crew chief sew it closed on the open side, slide my tubing into 
it and be done with it.

Many thanks,

mayf
Benn wrote:

> I don't think that foam stuff for pipes is gonna have sufficient 
> high-temp and radiation resistance--might even be rather flamable.  
> I'd guess the subject lines go near the exhaust, perhaps?  You then 
> need radiation shielding as much as or more than insulation.  So I'd 
> be thinking metal (with some sort of liner/spacer just to keep the 
> metal out of contact with the line).
> Benn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elon" <saltfever at comcast.net>
> To: "land-speed submit" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:46 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection
>
>
>> Local hardware store for the stuff used to keep your water pipes from
>> freezing. Or lay it in a tray and pour the 2-part foam in a can used for
>> home insulation if a rigid line is ok.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: drmayf
>>
>> . . . My water injection line is 1/4 od high quality air line. I 
>> would like
>> some suggestions for sliding something over it to gie it some heat
>> protection.
>
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Sat Feb 21 18:46:52 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:46:52 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection
In-Reply-To: <49A0AC6E.2050701@mayfco.com>
References: <DE863ADE63514183B84386BDC70AEE87@dim8100><A06CDBD943F34C1B8F3F6705C32A1E93@BennsDesktop>
	<49A0AC6E.2050701@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <EC5E1CFE0C854E29834DD0446C7646AF@DBTech>

Mayf;

Your crew chief is a keeper!

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 6:38 PM
To: Benn
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Heat Protection

Guys, thanks for all the possible solutions. I think I have one that is 
good enough. I am just gonna fold over a piece of header wrap material, 
have the crew chief sew it closed on the open side, slide my tubing into 
it and be done with it.

Many thanks,

mayf
Benn wrote:

> I don't think that foam stuff for pipes is gonna have sufficient 
> high-temp and radiation resistance--might even be rather flamable.  
> I'd guess the subject lines go near the exhaust, perhaps?  You then 
> need radiation shielding as much as or more than insulation.  So I'd 
> be thinking metal (with some sort of liner/spacer just to keep the 
> metal out of contact with the line).
> Benn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elon" <saltfever at comcast.net>
> To: "land-speed submit" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:46 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection
>
>
>> Local hardware store for the stuff used to keep your water pipes from
>> freezing. Or lay it in a tray and pour the 2-part foam in a can used for
>> home insulation if a rigid line is ok.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: drmayf
>>
>> . . . My water injection line is 1/4 od high quality air line. I 
>> would like
>> some suggestions for sliding something over it to gie it some heat
>> protection.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From fosterap at flash.net  Sun Feb 22 08:31:16 2009
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:31:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection
In-Reply-To: <A06CDBD943F34C1B8F3F6705C32A1E93@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <649320.87225.qm@web80601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How about the spark plug wire shielding.  MSD, Moroso, and a number of
ignition people sell it.  It should cover your quarter inch lines perfectly. 
Jerry in Dallas
 
 

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Benn <karhu at california.com> wrote:

From: Benn <karhu at california.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Heat Protection
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 7:29 PM

I don't think that foam stuff for pipes is gonna have sufficient high-temp
and radiation resistance--might even be rather flamable.  I'd guess the
subject lines go near the exhaust, perhaps?  You then need radiation
shielding
as much as or more than insulation.  So I'd be thinking metal (with some
sort of liner/spacer just to keep the metal out of contact with the line).
Benn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Elon"
<saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "land-speed submit" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection


> Local hardware store for the stuff used to keep your water pipes from
> freezing. Or lay it in a tray and pour the 2-part foam in a can used for
> home insulation if a rigid line is ok.
>
>
>
> From: drmayf
>
> . . . My water injection line is 1/4 od high quality air line. I would
like
> some suggestions for sliding something over it to gie it some heat
> protection.
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From fosterap at flash.net  Sun Feb 22 08:31:37 2009
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:31:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection
In-Reply-To: <A06CDBD943F34C1B8F3F6705C32A1E93@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <864323.67729.qm@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How about the spark plug wire shielding.  MSD, Moroso, and a number of
ignition people sell it.  It should cover your quarter inch lines perfectly. 
Jerry in Dallas
 
 

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Benn <karhu at california.com> wrote:

From: Benn <karhu at california.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Heat Protection
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 7:29 PM

I don't think that foam stuff for pipes is gonna have sufficient high-temp
and radiation resistance--might even be rather flamable.  I'd guess the
subject lines go near the exhaust, perhaps?  You then need radiation
shielding
as much as or more than insulation.  So I'd be thinking metal (with some
sort of liner/spacer just to keep the metal out of contact with the line).
Benn

----- Original Message ----- From: "Elon"
<saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "land-speed submit" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection


> Local hardware store for the stuff used to keep your water pipes from
> freezing. Or lay it in a tray and pour the 2-part foam in a can used for
> home insulation if a rigid line is ok.
>
>
>
> From: drmayf
>
> . . . My water injection line is 1/4 od high quality air line. I would
like
> some suggestions for sliding something over it to gie it some heat
> protection.

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sun Feb 22 08:44:43 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:44:43 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection
In-Reply-To: <864323.67729.qm@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <A06CDBD943F34C1B8F3F6705C32A1E93@BennsDesktop>
	<864323.67729.qm@web80607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090222154447.77585187660@autox.team.net>

Excellent idea Jerry! I can use some.

Thanks,
Skip




At 07:31 AM 2/22/2009, JERRY FOSTER wrote:
>How about the spark plug wire shielding.  MSD, Moroso, and a number of
>ignition people sell it.  It should cover your quarter inch lines perfectly.
>Jerry in Dallas

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Sun Feb 22 18:21:22 2009
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:21:22 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Rolly Free
Message-ID: <BDC1080E6A664D04B3710C9839F9C799@john>

 Rolly Free 1900 1980

 http://www.rolliefreebook.com/excerpts.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Free

John Burk

From ed at vetteracing.com  Sun Feb 22 21:51:28 2009
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:51:28 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection
Message-ID: <W646142506372271235364688@webmail1>

I guess that's two of us that have a crew chief that also knows the inner
workings of a Singer......
Ed V
-----Original Message-----
From: neil at dbelltech.com [mailto:neil at dbelltech.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 06:46 PM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com, ''Benn''
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Heat Protection

Mayf; Your crew chief is a keeper! Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original
Message----- From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf Sent: Saturday,
February 21, 2009 6:38 PM To: Benn Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: Re:
[Land-speed] Heat Protection Guys, thanks for all the possible solutions. I
think I have one that is good enough. I am just gonna fold over a piece of
header wrap material, have the crew chief sew it closed on the open side,
slide my tubing into it and be done with it. Many thanks, mayf Benn wrote: > I
don't think that foam stuff for pipes is gonna have sufficient > high-temp and
radiation resistance--might even be rather flamable. > I'd guess the subject
lines go near the exhaust, perhaps? You then > need radiation shielding as
much as or more than insulation. So I'd > be thinking metal (with some sort of
liner/spacer just to keep the > metal out of contact with the line). > Benn >
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elon" > To: "land-speed submit" > Sent:
Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:46 PM > Subject: [Land-speed] Heat Protection >
> >> Local hardware store for the stuff used to keep your water pipes from >>
freezing. Or lay it in a tray and pour the 2-part foam in a can used for >>
home insulation if a rigid line is ok. >> >> >> >> From: drmayf >> >> . . . My
water injection line is 1/4 od high quality air line. I >> would like >> some
suggestions for sliding something over it to gie it some heat >> protection.

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Thu Feb 26 08:30:58 2009
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:30:58 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] new toy- 3D scanner?
Message-ID: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05196AD2@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>

This looks like fun . . .

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641



David in Durango

From karhu at california.com  Thu Feb 26 10:28:33 2009
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:28:33 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] rollcage welding
Message-ID: <FCA55E65028F4DA8A0906ED65D557C71@BennsDesktop>

Planning the rollcage for the MR2, and want to plant the main hoop as far
outboard as possible.  BUT, since it's behind the door opening, there is no
way to weld the horizontal side (door) bars fully to the main hoop if it is
hard against the interior body panel.  So, the question is, what is the
minimum clearance I can get away with and allow a good welder (not me) to
still be able to weld the bars around their full circumference?  A half inch?
full inch?
Benn

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Thu Feb 26 11:22:53 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:22:53 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] rollcage welding
In-Reply-To: <FCA55E65028F4DA8A0906ED65D557C71@BennsDesktop>
References: <FCA55E65028F4DA8A0906ED65D557C71@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <85812A55B64F429D826A9B07D3494F3E@DaveSatellite>

Couldn't you tack everything to the main hoop but don't permanantly mount it 
in the car. Pop it out  or slide it forward do the outside welds then drop 
it back in or slide it back with the door bars attached to the hoop?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:28 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] rollcage welding


> Planning the rollcage for the MR2, and want to plant the main hoop as far
> outboard as possible.  BUT, since it's behind the door opening, there is 
> no
> way to weld the horizontal side (door) bars fully to the main hoop if it 
> is
> hard against the interior body panel.  So, the question is, what is the
> minimum clearance I can get away with and allow a good welder (not me) to
> still be able to weld the bars around their full circumference?  A half 
> inch?
> full inch?
> Benn
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From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Thu Feb 26 11:58:00 2009
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:58:00 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] new toy- 3D scanner?
References: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05196AD2@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <BC9EE0071C7C4C04A6B29E9C4D89F9FF@531W>

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
> This looks like fun . . .
>
> http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641
> > David in Durango
>

 We were doing the older Stereolithography  and looking at the sintered 
metal
spray process about 9 years ago, to do the same type of work.
then they closed our design shop down and moved the work to India and China.

I'm glad to see the field has continued to evolve, the  Stereolithography 
machine
we had was close to $300,000,  the $2,000 price they talked about in that 
video
might have help keep the work here... wonder what the price on the solid 
modeling
machine was ?

From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Thu Feb 26 12:02:36 2009
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:02:36 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] new toy- 3D scanner?
References: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05196AD2@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <9E2995ACF51240158BC879D0FD685E58@531W>

> This looks like fun . . .
> 
> http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641
> 
> 
> 
> David in Durango
>


 Just answered my own question, 
the  Personal 3D Printer machine is listed at $14,000

 heck of a price for what it does...

From karhu at california.com  Thu Feb 26 12:09:07 2009
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:09:07 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] rollcage welding
References: <FCA55E65028F4DA8A0906ED65D557C71@BennsDesktop>
	<85812A55B64F429D826A9B07D3494F3E@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <2BE417A28E6E4308BB8A7B664D872A21@BennsDesktop>

Thanks for the response, Dave.
I don't think it'll be possible to get more than the main bar with some 
sleeve stubs removed from the car temporarily--any significant extensions 
just won't have enough room to maneuver.

I do kinda like the "slide it forward" approach:   But I'm trying to get the 
main hoop as tall as possible, and that means it fits behind the roof 
reinforcement at the rear of the T-tops.  I also only can move it forward 
about 4" (need up to 8" to get the main hoop into the door opening) without 
moving the front hoop closer to the main hoop, since the front hoop will 
othewise run into the A-pillar.

Hmm, maybe the main hoop could be pivoted about its top without the front 
hoop attached.   Some puzzle-fitting may work by moving some bar positions a 
few inches...  Thanks for the thoughts--I may need to use some combination 
of all these approaches.

So is the implication that I'd need at least "several" inches clearance to a 
wall to get a good weld around the circumference of the side bars?
Benn


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren at snet.net>
To: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] rollcage welding


> Couldn't you tack everything to the main hoop but don't permanantly mount 
> it in the car. Pop it out  or slide it forward do the outside welds then 
> drop it back in or slide it back with the door bars attached to the hoop?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:28 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] rollcage welding
>
>
>> Planning the rollcage for the MR2, and want to plant the main hoop as far
>> outboard as possible.  BUT, since it's behind the door opening, there is 
>> no
>> way to weld the horizontal side (door) bars fully to the main hoop if it 
>> is
>> hard against the interior body panel.  So, the question is, what is the
>> minimum clearance I can get away with and allow a good welder (not me) to
>> still be able to weld the bars around their full circumference?  A half 
>> inch?
>> full inch?
>> Benn
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From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Thu Feb 26 12:10:10 2009
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:10:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] new toy- 3D scanner?
In-Reply-To: <BC9EE0071C7C4C04A6B29E9C4D89F9FF@531W>
References: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05196AD2@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
	<BC9EE0071C7C4C04A6B29E9C4D89F9FF@531W>
Message-ID: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05290DEE@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>

Hmmmmm.
If you google "nextengine 3d scanner" you will learn more.

It seems now, invention is more a matter of applying science to
problems. I guess rather than filling a need w/ science and application.
???

David

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Szalay
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:58 AM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] new toy- 3D scanner?

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
> This looks like fun . . .
>
> http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641
> > David in Durango
>

 We were doing the older Stereolithography  and looking at the sintered
metal spray process about 9 years ago, to do the same type of work.
then they closed our design shop down and moved the work to India and
China.

I'm glad to see the field has continued to evolve, the
Stereolithography machine we had was close to $300,000,  the $2,000
price they talked about in that video might have help keep the work
here... wonder what the price on the solid modeling machine was ?
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From delsolid at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 13:38:05 2009
From: delsolid at gmail.com (Del Solid)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:38:05 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] new toy- 3D scanner?
In-Reply-To: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05290DEE@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
References: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05196AD2@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
	<BC9EE0071C7C4C04A6B29E9C4D89F9FF@531W>
	<F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05290DEE@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <bbf5bf710902261238j68088751xd5b3f165e6159042@mail.gmail.com>

We actually have that exact machine here at my work (the printer, not
the scanner). It's very cool but with options and stuff it was closer
to $27-28K.

The real benefit is to make prototype tooling before committing to a
casting. It is very nice but the surface is not very smooth and it is
subject to some dimensional shift if you model a very tall part. But
still very much worth the money if you do that sort of thing.

It is pricy to run as it uses lots of media and it's not cheap. It
also uses a plastic tray that the model is formed on and they are not
reusable either.

Our machine probably runs 75+ hours a week.

I think the desktop scanner is very cool indeed. We make alot of
connectors where a sample is available but they are not available to
purchase in quantity, forcing us to reverse engineer a mating
connector (think car ECU's). That scanner would be a godsend if it did
what they say.

We currently use a 3D FARO arm but it is not well suited for small parts.

John

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Adin, David
<DavidAdin at mercydurango.org> wrote:
> Hmmmmm.
> If you google "nextengine 3d scanner" you will learn more.
>
> It seems now, invention is more a matter of applying science to
> problems. I guess rather than filling a need w/ science and application.
> ???
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Szalay
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:58 AM
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] new toy- 3D scanner?
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
>> This looks like fun . . .
>>
>> http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=944641
>> > David in Durango
>>
>
>  We were doing the older Stereolithography  and looking at the sintered
> metal spray process about 9 years ago, to do the same type of work.
> then they closed our design shop down and moved the work to India and
> China.
>
> I'm glad to see the field has continued to evolve, the
> Stereolithography machine we had was close to $300,000,  the $2,000
> price they talked about in that video might have help keep the work
> here... wonder what the price on the solid modeling machine was ?
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From joetimney at dol.net  Thu Feb 26 13:58:35 2009
From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] rollcage welding
In-Reply-To: <2BE417A28E6E4308BB8A7B664D872A21@BennsDesktop>
References: <FCA55E65028F4DA8A0906ED65D557C71@BennsDesktop>
	<85812A55B64F429D826A9B07D3494F3E@DaveSatellite>
	<2BE417A28E6E4308BB8A7B664D872A21@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <49A7027B.4010402@dol.net>

Benn,
It is not necessary to weld it all the way around the tube but you will 
need to gusset it. You can get about all but a 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch if 
you leave a 1/2 inch of side clearance by 'Hanging out' the tungsten 
from the cup. This type of thing happens all the time in chassis 
construction.
joe

Benn wrote:
> Thanks for the response, Dave.
> I don't think it'll be possible to get more than the main bar with 
> some sleeve stubs removed from the car temporarily--any significant 
> extensions just won't have enough room to maneuver.
>
> I do kinda like the "slide it forward" approach:   But I'm trying to 
> get the main hoop as tall as possible, and that means it fits behind 
> the roof reinforcement at the rear of the T-tops.  I also only can 
> move it forward about 4" (need up to 8" to get the main hoop into the 
> door opening) without moving the front hoop closer to the main hoop, 
> since the front hoop will othewise run into the A-pillar.
>
> Hmm, maybe the main hoop could be pivoted about its top without the 
> front hoop attached.   Some puzzle-fitting may work by moving some bar 
> positions a few inches...  Thanks for the thoughts--I may need to use 
> some combination of all these approaches.
>
> So is the implication that I'd need at least "several" inches 
> clearance to a wall to get a good weld around the circumference of the 
> side bars?
> Benn
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren at snet.net>
> To: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] rollcage welding
>
>
>> Couldn't you tack everything to the main hoop but don't permanantly 
>> mount it in the car. Pop it out  or slide it forward do the outside 
>> welds then drop it back in or slide it back with the door bars 
>> attached to the hoop?
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>
>> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:28 PM
>> Subject: [Land-speed] rollcage welding
>>
>>
>>> Planning the rollcage for the MR2, and want to plant the main hoop 
>>> as far
>>> outboard as possible.  BUT, since it's behind the door opening, 
>>> there is no
>>> way to weld the horizontal side (door) bars fully to the main hoop 
>>> if it is
>>> hard against the interior body panel.  So, the question is, what is the
>>> minimum clearance I can get away with and allow a good welder (not 
>>> me) to
>>> still be able to weld the bars around their full circumference?  A 
>>> half inch?
>>> full inch?
>>> Benn
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Feb 26 16:49:10 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:49:10 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] new toy- 3D scanner?
References: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05196AD2@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net><BC9EE0071C7C4C04A6B29E9C4D89F9FF@531W><F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05290DEE@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
	<bbf5bf710902261238j68088751xd5b3f165e6159042@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c9986c$d6660570$6401a8c0@S>

The NextEngine 3d scanner is fascinating. Especially the $5K price. In
another area I won't go into here it looks to have good uses for small
enterprises for which the investment of 30K or more for a larger scanner is
out of the question.
 But I'm having a hard time coming up with useful applications in what we do
to build race cars, even for the guys who are professional chassis or engine
builders.  One possibility is reproducing an unreplaceable rocker arm.  Scan
it and use a 3d printer to give you a wax model for investment casting.
Then cast it in an alloy like 17-4 Ph stainless steel, which is fairly
strong.  We have a foundry here in northern CA that investment casts that
alloy on a regular basis.
Might be some possibilities for the street rod or restorer world to replace
OEM white metal parts.  Say something like a 34 Ford Greyhound.
I can see where the FARO arm wouldn't be of much use for a hood ornament
although for the engine builder who has reached a level of sophistication
whare he has a granite surface plate in his shop big enough to hold an
engine block the FARO arm could be very useful.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Del Solid" <delsolid at gmail.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] new toy- 3D scanner?


> We actually have that exact machine here at my work (the printer, not
> the scanner). It's very cool but with options and stuff it was closer
> to $27-28K.
> The real benefit is to make prototype tooling before committing to a
> casting. It is very nice but the surface is not very smooth and it is
> subject to some dimensional shift if you model a very tall part. But
> still very much worth the money if you do that sort of thing.
> It is pricy to run as it uses lots of media and it's not cheap. It
> also uses a plastic tray that the model is formed on and they are not
> reusable either.
> Our machine probably runs 75+ hours a week.
> I think the desktop scanner is very cool indeed. We make alot of
> connectors where a sample is available but they are not available to
> purchase in quantity, forcing us to reverse engineer a mating
> connector (think car ECU's). That scanner would be a godsend if it did
> what they say.
> We currently use a 3D FARO arm but it is not well suited for small parts.
> John

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Thu Feb 26 19:30:41 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:30:41 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] rollcage welding
In-Reply-To: <2BE417A28E6E4308BB8A7B664D872A21@BennsDesktop>
References: <FCA55E65028F4DA8A0906ED65D557C71@BennsDesktop>
	<85812A55B64F429D826A9B07D3494F3E@DaveSatellite>
	<2BE417A28E6E4308BB8A7B664D872A21@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <49A75051.4010703@wildblue.net>

Buy a good 3" hole saw and get a Milwaukee 1/2" drill. Drill holes, save 
metal,
have welder stick the holes back before he's done. Screw the body, the 
cage is
100 times more valuable and important.
Just my opinion,
Bryan
PS: pay a GOOD welder to help solve the problem.




Benn wrote:
> Thanks for the response, Dave.
> I don't think it'll be possible to get more than the main bar with 
> some sleeve stubs removed from the car temporarily--any significant 
> extensions just won't have enough room to maneuver.
>
> I do kinda like the "slide it forward" approach:   But I'm trying to 
> get the main hoop as tall as possible, and that means it fits behind 
> the roof reinforcement at the rear of the T-tops.  I also only can 
> move it forward about 4" (need up to 8" to get the main hoop into the 
> door opening) without moving the front hoop closer to the main hoop, 
> since the front hoop will othewise run into the A-pillar.
>
> Hmm, maybe the main hoop could be pivoted about its top without the 
> front hoop attached.   Some puzzle-fitting may work by moving some bar 
> positions a few inches...  Thanks for the thoughts--I may need to use 
> some combination of all these approaches.
>
> So is the implication that I'd need at least "several" inches 
> clearance to a wall to get a good weld around the circumference of the 
> side bars?
> Benn

From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 27 12:20:53 2009
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:20:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] rollcage welding
References: <mailman.13.1235761202.24374.land-speed@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <820535.41619.qm@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This might help (apologies if this has already been mentioned):

    o Cut holes in the floor
    o Drop the tubes done the holes, lowering things for working room
    o Weld things up
    o Raise the cage
    o Slide the pads under the tubes, covering the holes

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:09:07 -0800
From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] rollcage welding
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <2BE417A28E6E4308BB8A7B664D872A21 at BennsDesktop>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
    reply-type=response

Thanks for the response, Dave.
I don't think it'll be possible to get more than the main bar with some sleeve stubs removed from the car temporarily--any significant extensions just won't have enough room to maneuver.

I do kinda like the "slide it forward" approach:   But I'm trying to get the main hoop as tall as possible, and that means it fits behind the roof reinforcement at the rear of the T-tops.  I also only can move it forward about 4" (need up to 8" to get the main hoop into the dooropening) without moving the front hoop closer to the main hoop, since the front hoop will othewise run into the A-pillar.

Hmm, maybe the main hoop could be pivoted about its top without the front hoop attached.   Some puzzle-fitting may work by moving some bar positions a few inches...  Thanks for the thoughts--I may need to use some combination of all these approaches.

So is the implication that I'd need at least "several" inches clearance to a wall to get a good weld around the circumference of the side bars?

From NT788 at comcast.net  Fri Feb 27 12:36:59 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:36:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] rollcage welding
In-Reply-To: <820535.41619.qm@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <910118129.6806541235763419103.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Benn 
Cut off the bottom, weld the top, sleeve and re-weld the bottom piece. 
Jack 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Dymaxion " < david_dymaxion @yahoo.com> 
To: land-speed@ autox .team.net 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:20:53 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] rollcage welding 

This might help (apologies if this has already been mentioned): 

o Cut holes in the floor 
o Drop the tubes done the holes, lowering things for working room 
o Weld things up 
o Raise the cage 
o Slide the pads under the tubes, covering the holes 

Message: 2 
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:09:07 -0800 
From: "Benn" < karhu @ california .com> 
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] rollcage welding 
To: <land-speed@ autox .team.net> 
Message-ID: <2BE417A28E6E4308BB8A7B664D872A21@ BennsDesktop > 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset ="iso-8859-1"; 
reply-type=response 

Thanks for the response, Dave. 
I don't think it'll be possible to get more than the main bar with some sleeve stubs removed from the car temporarily--any significant extensions just won't have enough room to maneuver. 

I do kinda like the "slide it forward" approach: But I'm trying to get the main hoop as tall as possible, and that means it fits behind the roof reinforcement at the rear of the T-tops. I also only can move it forward about 4" (need up to 8" to get the main hoop into the dooropening ) without moving the front hoop closer to the main hoop, since the front hoop will othewise run into the A-pillar. 

Hmm , maybe the main hoop could be pivoted about its top without the front hoop attached. Some puzzle-fitting may work by moving some bar positions a few inches... Thanks for the thoughts--I may need to use some combination of all these approaches. 

So is the implication that I'd need at least "several" inches clearance to a wall to get a good weld around the circumference of the side bars? 
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Sat Feb 28 00:36:46 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:36:46 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] roll cage welding
Message-ID: <5CFA172B61D8434A9C4E4AD71C46B880@dim8100>

To expand on Bryan's point a bit . . . you drop the cage through the holes,
to the garage floor. If the car is elevated you can usually drop the cage
that amount. The 3" diameter holes are sufficiently large enough to allow
you to tilt the cage from one side or the other. That gives you clearance to
finish that side of the cage and then you tilt it the other way. The cage is
then moved back to it correct location and the holes are welded shut with
sheet metal. The base plates should already be preformed to fit their
location. When you lift the cage back up, there should be enough clearance
to weld the tubes to the base plates before moving the whole thing into its
final resting place. Welding the base plates to the structure should not
have a clearance problem.  -Elon



From: Bryan Savage b.a.savage at wildblue.net

Buy a good 3" hole saw and get a Milwaukee 1/2" drill. Drill holes, save
metal, (snip . . . )

From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Sat Feb 28 12:42:05 2009
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:42:05 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] new toy- 3D scanner?
References: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05196AD2@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
	<BC9EE0071C7C4C04A6B29E9C4D89F9FF@531W>
	<F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05290DEE@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
	<bbf5bf710902261238j68088751xd5b3f165e6159042@mail.gmail.com>
	<003d01c9986c$d6660570$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <9C0295F90DB54EF6B411FC0F03555BC3@531W>

FWIW:
 I forwarded the information on the scanner and the printer to a friend that 
is still in the business,
they are seriously looking at purchasing both to help their operation.
the output of the scanner can be in XYZ or IGES  (among others) so they are 
looking into
feeding that into their MasterCam  software to allow them to cut parts on 
the CNC machine tools.

Thanks for the link.....

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:49 PM
To: "Del Solid" <delsolid at gmail.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] new toy- 3D scanner?

> The NextEngine 3d scanner is fascinating. Especially the $5K price. In
> another area I won't go into here it looks to have good uses for small
> enterprises for which the investment of 30K or more for a larger scanner 
> is
> out of the question.
> But I'm having a hard time coming up with useful applications in what we 
> do
> to build race cars, 

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Feb 28 13:53:14 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:53:14 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] new toy- 3D scanner?
In-Reply-To: <9C0295F90DB54EF6B411FC0F03555BC3@531W>
References: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05196AD2@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
	<BC9EE0071C7C4C04A6B29E9C4D89F9FF@531W>
	<F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05290DEE@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
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	<003d01c9986c$d6660570$6401a8c0@S>
	<9C0295F90DB54EF6B411FC0F03555BC3@531W>
Message-ID: <49A9A43A.3010805@wildblue.net>

Just to add something I found interesting.
An old friends son has new a setup that can scan, through a microscope a 
virus(SARS),
and produce a model, about 6" by 2". He has a lab at UCSF.
I'm working on him to produce about 20 different samples to use in a 
High School
Biology class.
Should be neat...
More fun,
Bryan


John Szalay wrote:
> FWIW:
> I forwarded the information on the scanner and the printer to a friend 
> that is still in the business,
> they are seriously looking at purchasing both to help their operation.
> the output of the scanner can be in XYZ or IGES  (among others) so 
> they are looking into
> feeding that into their MasterCam  software to allow them to cut parts 
> on the CNC machine tools.
>
> Thanks for the link.....