From mbp01 at sky.com  Sat Aug  1 04:50:53 2009
From: mbp01 at sky.com (Malcolm Pittwood)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:50:53 +0100
Subject: [Land-speed] British steam car
In-Reply-To: <8B9C5DF358694D5B96EC9E2F5B9A9DC3@john>
References: <8B9C5DF358694D5B96EC9E2F5B9A9DC3@john>
Message-ID: <4bc5a3b00908010350l4e3c70f3k44f0708f107428a6@mail.gmail.com>

The burner design on the British Steam Car is one where the flame length is
very short - I am trying to recall a design talk from Glynne Bowsher some
years ago - at perhaps no more than an inch (25mm in Europe).  The 'burner'
is more like a tile of intense flames rather than the long single flame of a
hot air balloon burner.  Liquified Petroleum Gas (LPG) gives the opportunity
to create these short intense flames because of the velocity of combustion.

There are probably other ways to generate the steam needed but another
vehicle shape would arise in the design process.  So if the record falls as
we expect after Speedweek, perhaps an American team will try to recapture it
using Propane as the fuel?

Malcolm UK .

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:25 PM, John Burk <joyseydevil at comcast.net> wrote:

> If the British team is not using propane to heat their boiler tubes they
> might
> want to consider that design . A normal hot air balloon propane burner puts
> out at least 8,000,000 BTUs . If the flame preheated a thin wall inconel
> steam
> coil and the throttle pedal controlled the water flow into the boiler coil
> and
> the system was 25% efficient that's  780+ hp with little lag time .
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From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Sat Aug  1 06:03:50 2009
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 08:03:50 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] British steam car
In-Reply-To: <4bc5a3b00908010350l4e3c70f3k44f0708f107428a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8B9C5DF358694D5B96EC9E2F5B9A9DC3@john>
	<4bc5a3b00908010350l4e3c70f3k44f0708f107428a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBB38F66-4103-4CEA-A687-DB18F415505A@nancyandjon.org>

On Aug 1, 2009, at 6:50 AM, Malcolm Pittwood wrote:

> The burner design on the British Steam Car is one where the flame  
> length is
> very short - I am trying to recall a design talk from Glynne Bowsher  
> some
> years ago - at perhaps no more than an inch (25mm in Europe).  The  
> 'burner'
> is more like a tile of intense flames rather than the long single  
> flame of a
> hot air balloon burner.  Liquified Petroleum Gas (LPG) gives the  
> opportunity
> to create these short intense flames because of the velocity of  
> combustion.
>
> There are probably other ways to generate the steam needed but another
> vehicle shape would arise in the design process.  So if the record  
> falls as
> we expect after Speedweek, perhaps an American team will try to  
> recapture it
> using Propane as the fuel?
>
> Malcolm UK .



Malcolm. I think we need a definition of Liquid petroleum gas as you  
mention it.  From my experience in heating the house and our food with  
it -- the two names (propane and LPG) are interchangeable.  I call the  
lpg company to order a refill for the big tank outdoors and he brings  
the stuff in a tanker truck labelled "propane".  The guy pumps a  
compressed liquid, but at ambient temperature, into the tank, and as  
it flows through a regulator is gassifies into propane. To my  
knowledge they're the same -- at least on this side of the Atlantic.   
Would you be so kind as to enlighten me if there's a difference where  
you are?

Jon Wennerberg

From coupes at aol.com  Sat Aug  1 14:07:35 2009
From: coupes at aol.com (coupes at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:07:35 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] KOA Wendover
In-Reply-To: <420B03D6054447DF8A2335B758579940@GlenPC>
References: <420B03D6054447DF8A2335B758579940@GlenPC>
Message-ID: <8CBE0FAD899C2B9-1C18-211E@WEBMAIL-DG11.sim.aol.com>

Both spots have been taken.? Best of luck to all!!


-----Original Message-----
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:55 pm
Subject: [Land-speed] KOA Wendover



A friend has two spots at the KOA for speed week and can't make it. If
interested call him at 303-726-4395 and he will help you with the change
over.
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From coupes at aol.com  Sat Aug  1 19:13:15 2009
From: coupes at aol.com (coupes at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:13:15 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] KOA Wendover
In-Reply-To: <8CBE0FAD899C2B9-1C18-211E@WEBMAIL-DG11.sim.aol.com>
References: <420B03D6054447DF8A2335B758579940@GlenPC>
	<8CBE0FAD899C2B9-1C18-211E@WEBMAIL-DG11.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CBE1258BD65B10-1188-3FD4@webmail-dd16.sysops.aol.com>

Had someone back-out from one of?the KOA camp ground sites.? Still have one pull-thru, E/W for 8/7-8/15.


-----Original Message-----
From: coupes at aol.com
To: speedtimer at beyondbb.com; land-speed at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Aug 1, 2009 2:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] KOA Wendover



Both spots have been taken.? Best of luck to all!!


-----Original Message-----
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:55 pm
Subject: [Land-speed] KOA Wendover



A friend has two spots at the KOA for speed week and can't make it. If
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over.
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From mbp01 at sky.com  Sun Aug  2 04:42:57 2009
From: mbp01 at sky.com (Malcolm Pittwood)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:42:57 +0100
Subject: [Land-speed] British steam car
In-Reply-To: <FBB38F66-4103-4CEA-A687-DB18F415505A@nancyandjon.org>
References: <8B9C5DF358694D5B96EC9E2F5B9A9DC3@john>
	<4bc5a3b00908010350l4e3c70f3k44f0708f107428a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBB38F66-4103-4CEA-A687-DB18F415505A@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <4bc5a3b00908020342y5227b94as33f42018f304598d@mail.gmail.com>

Jon

I am not sure that we are too far apart on defining the fuel - mainly
because the British Steam Car project must be getting it delivered from a US
supplier because of the shipping dangers.  I have no knowledge of what they
specificed to their provider.

To me LPG is a 'family' of liquified hydrocarbon products not just one
product and for most UK producers (and presumably US as well) the range can
be from 100% propane to 100% butane or a mix in between, (say 60/40 Propane
to Butane).  The fuel is a liquid under pressure but at normal tempertaures
until burnt as a gas at atmospheric pressure with air.

My feeling is that your home gas will probably be a mixture too, but the
paperwork should define what it is.  [For those reading this and
contemplating a greener fuel, LPG is heavier than air and leaks can
accumulate in basements and in the bodies of cars if you race in a reclined
position - neither will do the person any good who enters the space or is
strapped into it - take care!].

The flame length of a gas lighter (normally 100% butane filled) is about one
inch.  This is what I believe they are trying to achieve with the flat plate
burners on each of the twelve boilers in the steam car.  Compared with say
the balloon flame at two or three feet or more of length with propane.

So it is not a totally different fuel, but the mixture has to match the
burner and its application.

Malcolm UK.

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Jon Wennerberg <
jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org> wrote:

>
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 6:50 AM, Malcolm Pittwood wrote:
>
> The burner design on the British Steam Car is one where the flame length is
>> very short - I am trying to recall a design talk from Glynne Bowsher some
>> years ago - at perhaps no more than an inch (25mm in Europe).  The
>> 'burner'
>> is more like a tile of intense flames rather than the long single flame of
>> a
>> hot air balloon burner.  Liquified Petroleum Gas (LPG) gives the
>> opportunity
>> to create these short intense flames because of the velocity of
>> combustion.
>>
>> There are probably other ways to generate the steam needed but another
>> vehicle shape would arise in the design process.  So if the record falls
>> as
>> we expect after Speedweek, perhaps an American team will try to recapture
>> it
>> using Propane as the fuel?
>>
>> Malcolm UK .
>>
>
>
>
> Malcolm. I think we need a definition of Liquid petroleum gas as you
> mention it.  From my experience in heating the house and our food with it --
> the two names (propane and LPG) are interchangeable.  I call the lpg company
> to order a refill for the big tank outdoors and he brings the stuff in a
> tanker truck labelled "propane".  The guy pumps a compressed liquid, but at
> ambient temperature, into the tank, and as it flows through a regulator is
> gassifies into propane. To my knowledge they're the same -- at least on this
> side of the Atlantic.  Would you be so kind as to enlighten me if there's a
> difference where you are?
>
> Jon Wennerberg

From benn at sonic.net  Sun Aug  2 16:19:17 2009
From: benn at sonic.net (Benn)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:19:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: [DeTomaso] 5 & 6 point harnesses
References: <E9EF35B229874ACEBFC29BA115FB822F@ZTxp>
Message-ID: <32FE4B72086945AD9E9A0B8D83E71CD7@BennsDesktop>

So is the answer a 7-point harness?  cup?
Benn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
To: "LandSpeed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: [DeTomaso] 5 & 6 point harnesses


> View after dinner  . . . .. 
> 
> 
> 
>> For those of you who use five or six point harnesses, check out this 
>> under-reported issue that's been making
>> the rounds.  I think about this just about every time I snap on the 
>> sub-belt.
>> 
>> Warning:  Apologizing in advance for the graphic content...
>> 
>> http://bit.ly/iXkMh 

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Aug  2 17:24:16 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:24:16 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] British steam car
In-Reply-To: <4bc5a3b00908010350l4e3c70f3k44f0708f107428a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8B9C5DF358694D5B96EC9E2F5B9A9DC3@john>
	<4bc5a3b00908010350l4e3c70f3k44f0708f107428a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A762020.9060206@wildblue.net>

I saw pictures of a small assembly line oven that used 3 shallow boxes. 
Each one
was two parts. A fuel - air mixer and a flat burner. The mixer fed a 
chamber,
about 1' X 3' X6" that had a fine screen on the inside. The flame appeared
thin, less than 1" - maybe 1/4"??  Since the entire top and walls of the 
oven
were fire, it didn't require time to heat up. I have no idea what the 
temps were.

Remember the three most important parameters when building a Streamliner,
frontal area, frontal area, a tail tapered 7 degrees or less. This 
requires a
burner/boiler that will fit in a 36" X 36" X 36'(or less) cylinder, in 
my opinion.

I've got lots of spare opinions if someone needs one,
Bryan

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Aug  2 17:42:23 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:42:23 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] British steam car
In-Reply-To: <4bc5a3b00908020342y5227b94as33f42018f304598d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8B9C5DF358694D5B96EC9E2F5B9A9DC3@john>
	<4bc5a3b00908010350l4e3c70f3k44f0708f107428a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBB38F66-4103-4CEA-A687-DB18F415505A@nancyandjon.org>
	<4bc5a3b00908020342y5227b94as33f42018f304598d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A76245F.4090004@wildblue.net>

Jon,

More than you ever wanted to know......

http://www.naftc.wvu.edu/NAFTC/data/indepth/LPG/LPG.html


Bryan

From adin at frontier.net  Sun Aug  2 18:33:28 2009
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:33:28 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: [DeTomaso] 5 & 6 point harnesses
References: <E9EF35B229874ACEBFC29BA115FB822F@ZTxp>
	<32FE4B72086945AD9E9A0B8D83E71CD7@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <7722D551DE0240C5947E53BF805469D8@ZTxp>

I am guessing:
A) don't hit anything,
or 
2) don't lead with your nutz.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Benn" <benn at sonic.net>
To: "LandSpeed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: [DeTomaso] 5 & 6 point harnesses


> So is the answer a 7-point harness?  cup?
> Benn
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
> To: "LandSpeed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 6:41 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: [DeTomaso] 5 & 6 point harnesses
> 
> 
>> View after dinner  . . . .. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> For those of you who use five or six point harnesses, check out this 
>>> under-reported issue that's been making
>>> the rounds.  I think about this just about every time I snap on the 
>>> sub-belt.
>>> 
>>> Warning:  Apologizing in advance for the graphic content...
>>> 
>>> http://bit.ly/iXkMh 
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Mon Aug  3 01:34:14 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:34:14 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] AOL Stuff
Message-ID: <000001ca140c$cde54c00$69afe400$@net>

Mark, please read carefully:

I get the "DIGEST FORMAT" and:  

(1)  There is NO donation link ". . . included as the first line in the
trailer of each and every message sent to the list."  

(2) There is NO link at the bottom of the digest (there use to be).

(3) There is NO link to the archives (there used to be) .

 

I do not like to regurgitate the entire message to this list so I will pm my
copy of the digest so you may see what I am receiving. (BTW, "edit your
replies" is also missing). When you were futzing with the list last month
the link disappeared shortly after you mentioned "donations". It appears
that some boilerplate in the digest is being stripped when it is sent out. 

 

In my small way I try to contribute to those who support and add value to
the LSR community. After a lot of effort and private mails from a few
listers I got the Paypal link and made a donation. I appreciate the work you
are doing and don't expect an acknowledgement. However, you used to send an
acknowledgement but this time . . . nothing. "Some people!" wonder why they
should even bother    :-)

---------------------------

Message: 5

From: "Mark J. Bradakis" 

Subject: AOL stuff

. . . Well, *everybody* has the link - it is included as the first line in
the trailer of each and every message sent to the list.  Some people!

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  3 05:33:38 2009
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 04:33:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Re:  AOL Stuff
Message-ID: <784115.68549.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Rich Fox <v4gmr at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Rich Fox <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] AOL Stuff
To: "Kirkwood" <saltfever at comcast.net>
Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 4:32 AM






I found the "Donation link" Thanks for reminding me.  RF

--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Kirkwood <saltfever at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Kirkwood <saltfever at comcast.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] AOL Stuff
To: "land-speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:34 AM


Mark, please read carefully:

I get the "DIGEST FORMAT" and: 

(1)  There is NO donation link ". . . included as the first line in the
trailer of each and every message sent to the list." 

(2) There is NO link at the bottom of the digest (there use to be).

(3) There is NO link to the archives (there used to be) .



I do not like to regurgitate the entire message to this list so I will pm my
copy of the digest so you may see what I am receiving. (BTW, "edit your
replies" is also missing). When you were futzing with the list last month
the link disappeared shortly after you mentioned "donations". It appears
that some boilerplate in the digest is being stripped when it is sent out.



In my small way I try to contribute to those who support and add value to
the LSR community. After a lot of effort and private mails from a few
listers I got the Paypal link and made a donation. I appreciate the work you
are doing and don't expect an acknowledgement. However, you used to send an
acknowledgement but this time . . . nothing. "Some people!" wonder why they
should even bother    :-)

---------------------------

Message: 5

From: "Mark J. Bradakis"

Subject: AOL stuff

. . . Well, *everybody* has the link - it is included as the first line in
the trailer of each and every message sent to the list.  Some people!
Land-speed mailing list

You are subscribed as v4gmr at yahoo.com

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From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Mon Aug  3 07:17:38 2009
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:17:38 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] hotel
Message-ID: <003c01ca143c$c6a8e070$6601a8c0@Rick>

OK
My friend still has 4 hotel rooms.
Any takers?

From saltfever at comcast.net  Mon Aug  3 18:09:26 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:09:26 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Need a room?
Message-ID: <000001ca1497$d502fb00$7f08f100$@net>

Email me your ENTRY name and number with a US phone number. (check-in Sunday
night, out on Saturday) 

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Aug  3 20:24:48 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:24:48 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
Message-ID: <4A779BF0.4060105@mayfco.com>

I have been sitting here listening to all the talking heads and how they 
feel our health care program is going to go. It seems certain that 
something is going to be put into effect despite what any proponent or 
protagonist might say or want. So If I heard some of the items in the 
plan it would sem that especially for us old geezerrs and maybe young 
folk also, that there will be a committee (or lots of them) that will 
decide our health care issues and treatments. So I was wondering.. could 
the sport of Land Speed Racing, indeed any form of  activity, be banned 
as too dangerous? That you could not be treated if injured in an 
accident that occurred in an activity that has been prohibited?    Is 
that a thought? 

just an odd thought...

mayf

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Mon Aug  3 21:18:42 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 23:18:42 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <4A779BF0.4060105@mayfco.com>
References: <4A779BF0.4060105@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <0633492962D041FA973FB67E3C56EC58@DaveSatellite>

Probably not that far off.. sorry to say...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:24 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..


>I have been sitting here listening to all the talking heads and how they 
> feel our health care program is going to go. It seems certain that 
> something is going to be put into effect despite what any proponent or 
> protagonist might say or want. So If I heard some of the items in the 
> plan it would sem that especially for us old geezerrs and maybe young 
> folk also, that there will be a committee (or lots of them) that will 
> decide our health care issues and treatments. So I was wondering.. could 
> the sport of Land Speed Racing, indeed any form of  activity, be banned 
> as too dangerous? That you could not be treated if injured in an 
> accident that occurred in an activity that has been prohibited?    Is 
> that a thought? 
> 
> just an odd thought...
> 
> mayf
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon Aug  3 21:38:11 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:38:11 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <4A779BF0.4060105@mayfco.com>
References: <4A779BF0.4060105@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <D804EBEE68004B1796E4AFE5588E6A23@DBTech>

Mayf;

That's the road this is going down. Anything deemed "too dangerous" is going
to be effectively banned.

George Orwell was wrong on the date; it wasn't "1984" it is "2009".

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:25 PM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..

I have been sitting here listening to all the talking heads and how they 
feel our health care program is going to go. It seems certain that 
something is going to be put into effect despite what any proponent or 
protagonist might say or want. So If I heard some of the items in the 
plan it would sem that especially for us old geezerrs and maybe young 
folk also, that there will be a committee (or lots of them) that will 
decide our health care issues and treatments. So I was wondering.. could 
the sport of Land Speed Racing, indeed any form of  activity, be banned 
as too dangerous? That you could not be treated if injured in an 
accident that occurred in an activity that has been prohibited?    Is 
that a thought? 

just an odd thought...

mayf
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Mon Aug  3 21:57:34 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:57:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
References: <4A779BF0.4060105@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <37A01BEB2F9D41DAAACF84905A63F071@edc2750afa5a84>

Mayf -- I think our society is going to go after the "low hanging fruit". 
In other words those activities that cost the most money relative to the 
influence of their noisy constituency.  Competitive sports cause relatively 
few injuries and almost a negligible number of deaths and serious injuries 
that produce extraordinary medical costs.  I think our brand of motorsports 
is way far below the radar screen.  As far as refusing to treat people 
injured in an accident our legal system essentially prevents that.  All 
people regardless of the cause are eligible to be given emergency treatment. 
And it's free.  Doesn't matter what they were doing when they got injured. 
If they were doing something illegal when they were injured that would have 
to be proven....... in a court of law.  That can take months or years.  Till 
then they are legally eligible to be treated regardless of how legal or 
illegal the activity that caused their injury might be.
 The only question would be about who pays for the treatment.  That's 
another issue.  You and I have Medicare.  If we get hurt while racing 
Medicare will pay for most things.  I don't see that changing anytime soon 
although with the continuous stream of new expensive treatments I'm sure 
there will be limits to what they will pay for.  My guess is that will also 
be the case for most insurance plans and HMO's also.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
 So I was wondering.. could
> the sport of Land Speed Racing, indeed any form of  activity, be banned as 
> too dangerous? That you could not be treated if injured in an accident 
> that occurred in an activity that has been prohibited?    Is that a 
> thought?   just an odd thought... mayf

From dlodom at charter.net  Mon Aug  3 22:39:19 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:39:19 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT hand cleaner pump
Message-ID: <021201ca14bd$887146e0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

 I have about 6 of those orange plastic containers of hand soap around and the
pumps don't work in any of them. Has anyone ever found a way to fix the pump
or make it live long enough to empty the contents of the jug. I'm getting
tired of using the pump for a dip stick to clean my hands.

Big ditch Doug

From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Tue Aug  4 03:32:47 2009
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:32:47 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] OT hand cleaner pump
In-Reply-To: <021201ca14bd$887146e0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <021201ca14bd$887146e0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20C47FFA0@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

No, haven't figured out why the pump dies, I've found it pours right
out. I used to do the same "dipstick" thing.

Mike M.

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Odom
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:39 AM
To: landspeed
Subject: [Land-speed] OT hand cleaner pump


 I have about 6 of those orange plastic containers of hand soap around
and the pumps don't work in any of them. Has anyone ever found a way to
fix the pump or make it live long enough to empty the contents of the
jug. I'm getting tired of using the pump for a dip stick to clean my
hands.

Big ditch Doug
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From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Tue Aug  4 03:34:56 2009
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:34:56 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <4A779BF0.4060105@mayfco.com>
References: <4A779BF0.4060105@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20C47FFA1@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

You are not that far off base. When I was in the Military, I had to get
a Waiver to participate in Sport Skydiving.

Part of the waiver was If I got hurt, The Hospital Bill came out of my
pocket, not theirs.

Mike M.

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:25 PM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..

I have been sitting here listening to all the talking heads and how they
feel our health care program is going to go. It seems certain that
something is going to be put into effect despite what any proponent or
protagonist might say or want. So If I heard some of the items in the
plan it would sem that especially for us old geezerrs and maybe young
folk also, that there will be a committee (or lots of them) that will
decide our health care issues and treatments. So I was wondering.. could
the sport of Land Speed Racing, indeed any form of  activity, be banned
as too dangerous? That you could not be treated if injured in an
accident that occurred in an activity that has been prohibited?    Is
that a thought?

just an odd thought...

mayf
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From rjdenton479 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 05:01:05 2009
From: rjdenton479 at gmail.com (Robert J. Denton)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:01:05 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20C47FFA1@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
References: <4A779BF0.4060105@mayfco.com>
	<7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20C47FFA1@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
Message-ID: <45ac72e90908040401i38711931ye2a8a5e979d8d958@mail.gmail.com>

The biggest problem with the health care issue is all the BS being thrown
around as to what it is, or what it isn't. Your medical needs will NOT be
handled by a committee. Actually, if you have Blue Cross now, you are being
handled by a committee.

For those of us old enough to get Medicare, we have discovered that it is
one of the few things that are good about getting old. Unless you have an
"advantage plan" from Blue Cross or others. The advantage part is the rip
off. They get in the way of your access to Medicare. And they get paid to
interfere, by you. Advantage makes the determination of what you can be
covered on, over and above Medicare.  If the proposed health care is bad for
you, why are the insurance pouring millions and millions into congressional
coffers?

The current system is what is bad, not the proposed new one.

Bob Denton

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:34 AM, MEIERLE Mike <
Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

> You are not that far off base. When I was in the Military, I had to get
> a Waiver to participate in Sport Skydiving.
>
> Part of the waiver was If I got hurt, The Hospital Bill came out of my
> pocket, not theirs.
>
> Mike M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:25 PM
> To: LSR
> Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
>
> I have been sitting here listening to all the talking heads and how they
> feel our health care program is going to go. It seems certain that
> something is going to be put into effect despite what any proponent or
> protagonist might say or want. So If I heard some of the items in the
> plan it would sem that especially for us old geezerrs and maybe young
> folk also, that there will be a committee (or lots of them) that will
> decide our health care issues and treatments. So I was wondering.. could
> the sport of Land Speed Racing, indeed any form of  activity, be banned
> as too dangerous? That you could not be treated if injured in an
> accident that occurred in an activity that has been prohibited?    Is
> that a thought?
>
> just an odd thought...
>
> mayf
> Land-speed mailing list
>
>
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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Tue Aug  4 07:12:17 2009
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 6:12:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <45ac72e90908040401i38711931ye2a8a5e979d8d958@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090804091217.K1WZ3.38.imail@fed1rmwml28>

Robert me thinks you JUST MAY be staying to close to the KOOL AID container!!!!!!


---- "Robert J. Denton" <rjdenton479 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> The biggest problem with the health care issue is all the BS being thrown
> around as to what it is, or what it isn't. Your medical needs will NOT be
> handled by a committee. Actually, if you have Blue Cross now, you are being
> handled by a committee.
> 
> For those of us old enough to get Medicare, we have discovered that it is
> one of the few things that are good about getting old. Unless you have an
> "advantage plan" from Blue Cross or others. The advantage part is the rip
> off. They get in the way of your access to Medicare. And they get paid to
> interfere, by you. Advantage makes the determination of what you can be
> covered on, over and above Medicare.  If the proposed health care is bad for
> you, why are the insurance pouring millions and millions into congressional
> coffers?
> 
> The current system is what is bad, not the proposed new one.
> 
> Bob Denton
> 
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:34 AM, MEIERLE Mike <
> Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
> 
> > You are not that far off base. When I was in the Military, I had to get
> > a Waiver to participate in Sport Skydiving.
> >
> > Part of the waiver was If I got hurt, The Hospital Bill came out of my
> > pocket, not theirs.

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Tue Aug  4 08:55:45 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:55:45 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
References: <4A779BF0.4060105@mayfco.com>
	<7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20C47FFA1@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
	<45ac72e90908040401i38711931ye2a8a5e979d8d958@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A784BF0.000004.04504@D3DP98F1>

To me, this sums it up...

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the
government and I'm here to help.' Ronald Reagan

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

 PS: The car is in the trailer and we leave Thursday..hope to see you there.

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From rjdenton479 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 08:58:46 2009
From: rjdenton479 at gmail.com (Robert J. Denton)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:58:46 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <4A784BF0.000004.04504@D3DP98F1>
References: <4A779BF0.4060105@mayfco.com>
	<7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20C47FFA1@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
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	<4A784BF0.000004.04504@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <45ac72e90908040758s35a3276aqf94614c8d829137f@mail.gmail.com>

That is, of course, if you believe that Reagan was anything more than a bag
of wind.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Tom Bryant <saltracer at awwwsome.com> wrote:

>    To me, this sums it up...
>
> The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the
> government and I'm here to help.'<http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/33742.html> Ronald
> Reagan
>
> Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC
>
>  PS: The car is in the trailer and we leave Thursday..hope to see you
> there.
>     [image: FREE Animations for your email - by IncrediMail! Click Here!]<http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=109094&rui=94775040>
>



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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Tue Aug  4 10:10:32 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:10:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <45ac72e90908040758s35a3276aqf94614c8d829137f@mail.gmail.co
  m>
References: <4A779BF0.4060105@mayfco.com>
	<7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20C47FFA1@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
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Message-ID: <20090804161038.3ED2C187871@autox.team.net>

And you are an expert?????



At 07:58 AM 8/4/2009, Robert J. Denton wrote:
>That is, of course, if you believe that Reagan was anything more than a bag
>of wind.
>
>On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Tom Bryant <saltracer at awwwsome.com> wrote:
>
> >    To me, this sums it up...
> >
> > The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the
> > government and I'm here to 
> help.'<http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/33742.html> Ronald
> > Reagan
> >
> > Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC
> >
> >  PS: The car is in the trailer and we leave Thursday..hope to see you
> > there.
> >     [image: FREE Animations for your email - by IncrediMail! 
> Click Here!]<http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=109094&rui=94775040>

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Tue Aug  4 10:12:33 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (David Dahlgren)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:12:33 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <20090804091217.K1WZ3.38.imail@fed1rmwml28>
References: <45ac72e90908040401i38711931ye2a8a5e979d8d958@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090804091217.K1WZ3.38.imail@fed1rmwml28>
Message-ID: <002f01ca151e$6033cc50$209b64f0$@net>

Read the bill on the link.. It is a bad deal if you take the time to read
all over it. I did and all the allegations in list are in the as it stands
right now.. I didn't think they could do anything worse than bailing out
wall street or the cash for clunkers debacle but when it comes to political
stupidity I was fooled again. I doubt if they are going to give me health
care cheaper than I pay now with a 5000 deductable and a HSA at 420 a
month... As a doctor would you want someone telling you what you will be
paid no matter how good you are or where you work in the USA??? Or as a
business whether you can expand or not without government permission?? The
tentacles of government already reach deep into our wallets and lives now
but this will be ever more controlling in very insidious ways. If you go by
what you read in the paper or the net I have a bridge to sell you..

What they need to do is strengthen the dollar and printing money like toilet
paper and handing it out to people for programs that are more imagined than
needed will not fix the value of the dollar.

You cannot give anything to anyone without taking it from someone else....

---- "Robert J. Denton" <rjdenton479 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> The biggest problem with the health care issue is all the BS being thrown
> around as to what it is, or what it isn't. Your medical needs will NOT be
> handled by a committee. Actually, if you have Blue Cross now, you are
being
> handled by a committee.
> 
> For those of us old enough to get Medicare, we have discovered that it is
> one of the few things that are good about getting old. Unless you have an
> "advantage plan" from Blue Cross or others. The advantage part is the rip
> off. They get in the way of your access to Medicare. And they get paid to
> interfere, by you. Advantage makes the determination of what you can be
> covered on, over and above Medicare.  If the proposed health care is bad
for
> you, why are the insurance pouring millions and millions into
congressional
> coffers?
> 
> The current system is what is bad, not the proposed new one.
> 
> Bob Denton

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Tue Aug  4 11:06:56 2009
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:06:56 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Hotel Rooms
Message-ID: <000c01ca1525$fa051210$6601a8c0@Rick>

Reduced price
400 for the three nights covered by deposit.
2 king bed rooms at Montego
2 double queen at Peppermill
E mail Rick at RBMotorsports.com and I will arrange a name change to be done on
Thursday afternoon.
The deposits of course are non refundable........

Rick

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Tue Aug  4 11:09:31 2009
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:09:31 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <002f01ca151e$6033cc50$209b64f0$@net>
Message-ID: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D055614D3@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>

>From a heavily edited and unsent rant:

Insurance companies don't care about health care, only $.

Massive stupidity takes massive teamwork, something possibly only OUR
gov't can accomplish . . .oh, wait! They've proven themselves again.

Wonder what the salt is going to be like in September . . . . .

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Aug  4 11:55:18 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:55:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <002f01ca151e$6033cc50$209b64f0$@net>
References: <45ac72e90908040401i38711931ye2a8a5e979d8d958@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090804091217.K1WZ3.38.imail@fed1rmwml28>
	<002f01ca151e$6033cc50$209b64f0$@net>
Message-ID: <4A787606.9020008@mayfco.com>

I too have downloaded teh HR3200 bill and in process of reading it.  
Pretty scary stuff... Can hardly wait until the Senate version is 
published...

mayf
David Dahlgren wrote:

>Read the bill on the link.. It is a bad deal if you take the time to read
>all over it. I did and all the allegations in list are in the as it stands
>right now.. I didn't think they could do anything worse than bailing out
>wall street or the cash for clunkers debacle but when it comes to political
>stupidity I was fooled again. I doubt if they are going to give me health
>care cheaper than I pay now with a 5000 deductable and a HSA at 420 a
>month... As a doctor would you want someone telling you what you will be
>paid no matter how good you are or where you work in the USA??? Or as a
>business whether you can expand or not without government permission?? The
>tentacles of government already reach deep into our wallets and lives now
>but this will be ever more controlling in very insidious ways. If you go by
>what you read in the paper or the net I have a bridge to sell you..
>
>What they need to do is strengthen the dollar and printing money like toilet
>paper and handing it out to people for programs that are more imagined than
>needed will not fix the value of the dollar.
>
>You cannot give anything to anyone without taking it from someone else....
>
>---- "Robert J. Denton" <rjdenton479 at gmail.com> wrote: 
>  
>
>>The biggest problem with the health care issue is all the BS being thrown
>>around as to what it is, or what it isn't. Your medical needs will NOT be
>>handled by a committee. Actually, if you have Blue Cross now, you are
>>    
>>
>being
>  
>
>>handled by a committee.
>>
>>For those of us old enough to get Medicare, we have discovered that it is
>>one of the few things that are good about getting old. Unless you have an
>>"advantage plan" from Blue Cross or others. The advantage part is the rip
>>off. They get in the way of your access to Medicare. And they get paid to
>>interfere, by you. Advantage makes the determination of what you can be
>>covered on, over and above Medicare.  If the proposed health care is bad
>>    
>>
>for
>  
>
>>you, why are the insurance pouring millions and millions into
>>    
>>
>congressional
>  
>
>>coffers?
>>
>>The current system is what is bad, not the proposed new one.
>>
>>Bob Denton
>>    
>>
>_______________________________________________
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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Tue Aug  4 12:10:08 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:10:08 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D055614D3@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
References: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D055614D3@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <2CB65E0F6A0347F883B10CD22875F8B2@DaveSatellite>

If anyone thinks they can manage anything currently riddle me this.. Do you 
want health care controlled by the same set of wizards that control homeland 
security, the Katrina debacle, rebuilding New Orleans, Amtrak and my fav the 
border patrol.. that should be enough mental pain for now but can easily 
come up with more.. we have 547 more less in number screwing with the lives 
of I think around 30 million... ponder it some..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..


> >From a heavily edited and unsent rant:
>
> Insurance companies don't care about health care, only $.
>
> Massive stupidity takes massive teamwork, something possibly only OUR
> gov't can accomplish . . .oh, wait! They've proven themselves again.
>
> Wonder what the salt is going to be like in September . . . . .

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Tue Aug  4 13:01:15 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:01:15 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] HowLong have we Got?
Message-ID: <4A78857B.000006.03136@D3DP98F1>

This is not political, just a wake up!

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution
in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of
Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2
000 years earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
permanent form of government.'
'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover
they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'
'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that
every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is
always followed by a dictatorship.'
'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of
history, has been about 200 years'
'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the
following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage'

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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Tue Aug  4 13:31:33 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:31:33 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
Message-ID: <11790112.1249414293968.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

How about dumping the polytics...................................?

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Tue Aug  4 13:44:12 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:44:12 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] HowLong have we Got?
In-Reply-To: <4A78857B.000006.03136@D3DP98F1>
References: <4A78857B.000006.03136@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <97C75175681D4318A82C3872492609E4@DaveSatellite>

Could not have said it better thanks Tom knew that was out there and my 
thoughts exactly.. Be well smile often and keep the shiey side up wait your 
car is in primer.. LOL...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Bryant" <saltracer at awwwsome.com>
To: "Landspeed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] HowLong have we Got?


> This is not political, just a wake up!
>
> Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC
>
> About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution
> in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University 
> of
> Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2
> 000 years earlier:
>
> 'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
> permanent form of government.'
> 'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover
> they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'
> 'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
> promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that
> every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is
> always followed by a dictatorship.'
> 'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning 
> of
> history, has been about 200 years'
> 'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the
> following sequence:
> 1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
> 2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
> 3. From courage to liberty;
> 4. From liberty to abundance;
> 5. From abundance to complacency;
> 6. From complacency to apathy;
> 7. From apathy to dependence;
> 8. From dependence back into bondage'
>
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue Aug  4 14:05:07 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (glen barrett)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:05:07 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
References: <11790112.1249414293968.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002b01ca153e$dd861cb0$6601a8c0@toshibauser>

I agree
GB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..


> How about dumping the polytics...................................?
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From rjdenton479 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 14:41:20 2009
From: rjdenton479 at gmail.com (Robert J. Denton)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:41:20 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] HowLong have we Got?
In-Reply-To: <97C75175681D4318A82C3872492609E4@DaveSatellite>
References: <4A78857B.000006.03136@D3DP98F1>
	<97C75175681D4318A82C3872492609E4@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <45ac72e90908041341m2f91bbf2o4a5f1695eae9f03@mail.gmail.com>

It's neither a wake up call nor political. . .  It's mostly false.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren at snet.net> wrote:

> Could not have said it better thanks Tom knew that was out there and my
> thoughts exactly.. Be well smile often and keep the shiey side up wait your
> car is in primer.. LOL...
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Bryant" <saltracer at awwwsome.com>
> To: "Landspeed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:01 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] HowLong have we Got?
>
>
>  This is not political, just a wake up!
>>
>> Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC
>>
>> About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution
>> in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University
>> of
>> Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2
>> 000 years earlier:
>>
>> 'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
>> permanent form of government.'
>> 'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover
>> they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'
>> 'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
>> promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that
>> every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is
>> always followed by a dictatorship.'
>> 'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning
>> of
>> history, has been about 200 years'
>> 'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the
>> following sequence:
>> 1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
>> 2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
>> 3. From courage to liberty;
>> 4. From liberty to abundance;
>> 5. From abundance to complacency;
>> 6. From complacency to apathy;
>> 7. From apathy to dependence;
>> 8. From dependence back into bondage'
>>
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>>
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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Tue Aug  4 16:03:33 2009
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:03:33 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <45ac72e90908040758s35a3276aqf94614c8d829137f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090804180333.90X6T.8824.imail@fed1rmwml28>

Robert you aparently need to spend more time in Mexico---seems to fit your dispositition!!!!!



---- "Robert J. Denton" <rjdenton479 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> That is, of course, if you believe that Reagan was anything more than a bag
> of wind.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Tom Bryant <saltracer at awwwsome.com> wrote:
> 
> >    To me, this sums it up...
> >
> > The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the
> > government and I'm here to help.'<http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/33742.html> Ronald
> > Reagan
> >
> > Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC
> >
> >  PS: The car is in the trailer and we leave Thursday..hope to see you
> > there.
> >     [image: FREE Animations for your email - by IncrediMail! Click Here!]<http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=109094&rui=94775040>
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Photography website
> bobdenton.net
> 
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> _______________________________________________

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Tue Aug  4 16:09:15 2009
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:09:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <002b01ca153e$dd861cb0$6601a8c0@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <20090804180915.2EUVA.8927.imail@fed1rmwml28>

Guys---we can continue to stick our heads in the sand if we want to---or we can try to stop the slide to USSA!!!!!

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Tue Aug  4 18:30:48 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:30:48 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] HowLong have we Got?
References: <4A78857B.000006.03136@D3DP98F1>
	<97C75175681D4318A82C3872492609E4@DaveSatellite>
	<45ac72e90908041341m2f91bbf2o4a5f1695eae9f03@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A78D2B8.00000D.02664@HOME>

Robert and all,

I apologize for the mistake of author, I usually go to snopes.com on things
I question. What tripped me up is that we are now at step 7.  We can change
our direction, hopefully. I definitely do agree with the "Little Red Hen",
however. Goggle it!

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  4 19:41:25 2009
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:41:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Loring
Message-ID: <834290.81953.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I went to Loring to run my Firebird with one goal - - 200mph.  How close can
you get?  I ran 199.053.  Oh well, I guess that means I only have to add a
"hair" next year.  Special thanks to Dick W, Gary and Richard for helping me
and Gail with the car and trackside repairs.  South after the first Glitch. 
 
DickJ
In (or on the way back to) East Texas

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Tue Aug  4 21:52:38 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:52:38 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Loring
References: <834290.81953.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A790206.000016.02664@HOME>

Dick,

How close can you come and miss? Now you know. Next year? It took me almost
thirty years to post that speed at Bonneville. There is a plus to have a
goal. If you go 200 mph then you have to set a new goal. That is what it is
all about.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Tue Aug  4 22:27:23 2009
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 0:27:23 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Loring
In-Reply-To: <834290.81953.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090805002723.REY9D.15103.imail@fed1rmwml40>

That is scaring the heck out of 200!!!!!!!!!!!



---- Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> I went to Loring to run my Firebird with one goal - - 200mph.  How close can
> you get?  I ran 199.053.  Oh well, I guess that means I only have to add a
> "hair" next year.  Special thanks to Dick W, Gary and Richard for helping me
> and Gail with the car and trackside repairs.  South after the first Glitch. 

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Wed Aug  5 04:41:16 2009
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 05:41:16 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Saddled Up & Ready to Roll
Message-ID: <1B6CD8362F574D6AA254A7921B93CC6F@VAIO>

All the junk from the shop is now in the trailer and all the wheels are
ready to turn. Looking forward to seeing everyone at the salt. May we all
have safe trips!

 

Jim Webb

Choc Full o' Nuts

A/PP B/PP D/PP ?/FL

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Wed Aug  5 18:14:16 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:14:16 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
In-Reply-To: <20090804180915.2EUVA.8927.imail@fed1rmwml28>
References: <20090804180915.2EUVA.8927.imail@fed1rmwml28>
Message-ID: <4A7A2058.3030701@wildblue.net>

The part about this that I can't understand, is all that is talked about 
as a model
for "the new American system" is Canada and England. Out of the 36 
industrial
countries with Health plans, those are way, way down the list. (we're 26)
That to me is very stupid! If you're building something new, wouldn't 
you chose
an excellent example to follow?

What they talk about is like Warren Buffet saying he is going to save 
the American
car industry buy building an small, fuel efficient American car modeled 
after the
Yugo!  Not a Honda or Toyota but a Yugo.

Have Americans really gotten that stupid?

If so, Darwin has a cure.

Bryan



sparky.2211 at cox.net wrote:
> Guys---we can continue to stick our heads in the sand if we want to---or we can try to stop the slide to USSA!!!!!
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed Aug  5 20:15:51 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:15:51 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic: Our Health Care Program..
References: <20090804180915.2EUVA.8927.imail@fed1rmwml28>
	<4A7A2058.3030701@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <8F370FDFE6764B39B96F90847F737874@edc2750afa5a84>

Bryan -- Yes, IMHO Americans have gotten that stupid (as measured by the 
average of voting Americans).  And Yes, Darwin has the cure.  Fortunately 
you and I are unlikely to live to see it happen if that is our destiny.
Personally I'm hoping there will be a soft landing that will give a lot of 
us an opportunity to rediscover what is really important in life.  We've got 
a of people who still are keyed to their addiction to afluenza.
Be heading for Speedweek Friday afternoon.  I would have hoped to see you 
there; but I understand you can't make it this year.
BTW Sparky -- I don't remember your car number.  Got your ears on or has the 
road to the Salt captured your attention.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
> Have Americans really gotten that stupid? If so, Darwin has a cure. Bryan

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Thu Aug  6 10:20:55 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:20:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] A possible future LSR track.
Message-ID: <4A7B02E7.3060505@wildblue.net>

http://www.spaceportamerica.com

The state of New Mexico runs Space Port America. In the future they
plan to build a 10,000 foot runway. The purpose of the operation is to
make money.

Nice fresh smooth, level, new concrete......

I wonder what kind of 240 foot times you could get on a 1 mile track?
Let's see, equip a FT Digger with a Martin-Backer zero-zero ejection seat,
and hmmmm..
FIA standing K & mile maybe.  Just something different.

Bryan

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Thu Aug  6 12:54:12 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:54:12 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] A possible future LSR track.
In-Reply-To: <4A7B02E7.3060505@wildblue.net>
References: <4A7B02E7.3060505@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <BF6DAD256BB247C988652B398B488EAF@DaveSatellite>

I would doubt if a TF car has enough turns of the crank available to make it 
to the end..LOL Very short fuse on those..
Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
To: "List Land Speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:20 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] A possible future LSR track.


> http://www.spaceportamerica.com
>
> The state of New Mexico runs Space Port America. In the future they
> plan to build a 10,000 foot runway. The purpose of the operation is to
> make money.
>
> Nice fresh smooth, level, new concrete......
>
> I wonder what kind of 240 foot times you could get on a 1 mile track?
> Let's see, equip a FT Digger with a Martin-Backer zero-zero ejection seat,
> and hmmmm..
> FIA standing K & mile maybe.  Just something different.
>
> Bryan

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Aug  6 15:39:27 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:39:27 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bound for Bonneville!
Message-ID: <4A7B4D8F.4020604@mayfco.com>

But no banjo on my knee, lol... We launch around 4 am in the morning.  I 
will be lightly monitoring my yahoo email account  drmayf at yahoo.com   
should any want to contact me starting tomorrow and through next 
friday.  I may not have time to respond however as this is a full load 
meet with 5 14 vehicles preregistered. Around a humdred or so always 
register there so maybe 600 plus cars and bikes and trucks.  Likely to 
be lots of hot rodders as well since the motel and hotel rates are truly 
ballistic.   I will be dropping the trailer tomorrow, putting the ground 
cloth down and then heading to SLC to pick up  my youngest son who will 
be helping this year.  Should anyone need to contact me via the 
telephone or "Mobile" my number is 775-253-4566 and if I am not up to my 
elbos in something I will answer, lol...   We are planning on an easy 
meet taking some time to see how the car is going to react with the 
additional weight and the new spoiler.  We will likely speend most of 
our time on the short course.  If there is a spot I will park way down 
towards the far end of the pits backed up to the return road so I can 
see what is going on.    We'll have some "milk" for refreshment at the 
pit and all are welcome.

mayf

From fosterap at flash.net  Thu Aug  6 17:19:27 2009
From: fosterap at flash.net (Jerry Foster)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:19:27 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Bound for Bonneville!
In-Reply-To: <4A7B4D8F.4020604@mayfco.com>
References: <4A7B4D8F.4020604@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <77B472A1C0064510AF79C08E7EA7B9AE@blackhp>

Wish I could go Mayf.  Just had a skin cancer removed from my hand.....skin 
graft and all.  They're calling me "Club Hand" around the house.  Got sort 
of a cast thing on it so I can't wiggle it around while healing.  Have fun 
everybody, and stand on it!

Jerry in Dallas




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:39 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Bound for Bonneville!


> But no banjo on my knee, lol... We launch around 4 am in the morning.  I 
> will be lightly monitoring my yahoo email account  drmayf at yahoo.com 
> should any want to contact me starting tomorrow and through next friday. 
> I may not have time to respond however as this is a full load meet with 5 
> 14 vehicles preregistered. Around a humdred or so always register there so 
> maybe 600 plus cars and bikes and trucks.  Likely to be lots of hot 
> rodders as well since the motel and hotel rates are truly ballistic.   I 
> will be dropping the trailer tomorrow, putting the ground cloth down and 
> then heading to SLC to pick up  my youngest son who will be helping this 
> year.  Should anyone need to contact me via the telephone or "Mobile" my 
> number is 775-253-4566 and if I am not up to my elbos in something I will 
> answer, lol...   We are planning on an easy meet taking some time to see 
> how the car is going to react with the additional weight and the new 
> spoiler.  We will likely speend most of our time on the short course.  If 
> there is a spot I will park way down towards the far end of the pits 
> backed up to the return road so I can see what is going on.    We'll have 
> some "milk" for refreshment at the pit and all are welcome.
>
> mayf

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Thu Aug  6 20:09:25 2009
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:09:25 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] The Camera dropper dude
Message-ID: <ce9.5c26d83d.37ace6d5@aol.com>

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdT6BN6zhuQ_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdT6BN6zhuQ) 
 
If there is no You Tube addy, go to "Loring Speed Trials", the video is  
there. 
Still tired Bob W 

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Thu Aug  6 20:53:56 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:53:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] A possible future LSR track.
In-Reply-To: <BF6DAD256BB247C988652B398B488EAF@DaveSatellite>
References: <4A7B02E7.3060505@wildblue.net>
	<BF6DAD256BB247C988652B398B488EAF@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <4A7B9744.2060406@wildblue.net>

Well you'd have to detune it a bit,  say 75%...

Bryan



Dave Dahlgren wrote:
>
> I would doubt if a TF car has enough turns of the crank available to 
> make it to the end..LOL Very short fuse on those..
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Savage" 
> <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
> To: "List Land Speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:20 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] A possible future LSR track.

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Sat Aug  8 15:36:14 2009
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:36:14 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed Week
Message-ID: <000801ca1870$4205ca80$6601a8c0@Rick>

NEWS  NEWS
I need somebody to say something.
Oh woe is me

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Sat Aug  8 20:15:03 2009
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:15:03 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed Week
In-Reply-To: <000801ca1870$4205ca80$6601a8c0@Rick>
References: <000801ca1870$4205ca80$6601a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <852224B8-9A18-4FD4-9390-A8B188FADF5D@nancyandjon.org>

On Aug 8, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Rick Byrnes wrote:

> NEWS  NEWS
> I need somebody to say something.
> Oh woe is me.


Let's see -- I ran the bike twice -- once on the special course, once  
on the short course (they're identical, but need different names to  
avoid confusion).  194 1/2 in the quarter mile on the special course,  
and 194 1/2 in the mile on the short course.   Hmm, not much  
difference, hey?  I'll tell you later about the greasy course.

George Poteet in the Poteet-Main Speed Demon (nee Flatfire) did a  
shakedown run first thing this morning -- first run ever with the new  
300 or so cubic inch Duttweiler motor.  He ran it with a conservative  
tune-up, his engine crew said -- and ran a measly 369 or so in the  
last mile, with a 379 exit speed.  That was with the waste gate  
screwed all the way down to minimum -- about 15#.  I think the car has  
something left, don't you?  It's in impound -- it was running on a 315  
record.  Impound has about 40 vehicles (I'll guess) in it right now --  
should be some good records set by mid-day tomorrow.  Mike Meirle (did  
I spell that right) is in impound with his Mitsubishi mini pickup, and  
Connie Beavers put her nitrous bike in at about a tenth of a MPH over  
the record she already has (about 210 and change).

And so on.  I'd post more but right now Nancy and I have to go buy 300  
hamburgers and all the rest of the stuff for Salt Talks tomorrow night.

Later.  You feeling okay, Rick?  We miss you out here.
Jon

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Sun Aug  9 09:16:17 2009
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:16:17 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed Week
References: <000801ca1870$4205ca80$6601a8c0@Rick>
	<852224B8-9A18-4FD4-9390-A8B188FADF5D@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <000801ca1904$588d0180$6601a8c0@Rick>

Thanks Jon
And I sure miss being there.
I sure hope the weather stays good all week.
And, yes, I think George and Ron will go MUCH faster.
Again, thanks for this and landracing.com updates.
Keepemcomming

Rick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Wennerberg" <jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org>
To: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
Cc: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed Week


> 
> On Aug 8, 2009, at 5:36 PM, Rick Byrnes wrote:
> 
>> NEWS  NEWS
>> I need somebody to say something.
>> Oh woe is me.
> 
> 
> Let's see -- I ran the bike twice -- once on the special course, once  
> on the short course (they're identical, but need different names to  
> avoid confusion).  194 1/2 in the quarter mile on the special course,  
> and 194 1/2 in the mile on the short course.   Hmm, not much  
> difference, hey?  I'll tell you later about the greasy course.
> 
> George Poteet in the Poteet-Main Speed Demon (nee Flatfire) did a  
> shakedown run first thing this morning -- first run ever with the new  
> 300 or so cubic inch Duttweiler motor.  He ran it with a conservative  
> tune-up, his engine crew said -- and ran a measly 369 or so in the  
> last mile, with a 379 exit speed.  That was with the waste gate  
> screwed all the way down to minimum -- about 15#.  I think the car has  
> something left, don't you?  It's in impound -- it was running on a 315  
> record.  Impound has about 40 vehicles (I'll guess) in it right now --  
> should be some good records set by mid-day tomorrow.  Mike Meirle (did  
> I spell that right) is in impound with his Mitsubishi mini pickup, and  
> Connie Beavers put her nitrous bike in at about a tenth of a MPH over  
> the record she already has (about 210 and change).
> 
> And so on.  I'd post more but right now Nancy and I have to go buy 300  
> hamburgers and all the rest of the stuff for Salt Talks tomorrow night.
> 
> Later.  You feeling okay, Rick?  We miss you out here.
> Jon

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sun Aug  9 10:27:54 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:27:54 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed Week
In-Reply-To: <000801ca1904$588d0180$6601a8c0@Rick>
References: <000801ca1870$4205ca80$6601a8c0@Rick>
	<852224B8-9A18-4FD4-9390-A8B188FADF5D@nancyandjon.org>
	<000801ca1904$588d0180$6601a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <20090809162800.6FF34187869@autox.team.net>

Rick,

See also the SCTA web site for run results and photos. Any info on 
the lakester crash???? Anyone?

Skip




At 08:16 AM 8/9/2009, Rick Byrnes wrote:
>Thanks Jon
>And I sure miss being there.
>I sure hope the weather stays good all week.
>And, yes, I think George and Ron will go MUCH faster.
>Again, thanks for this and landracing.com updates.
>Keepemcomming
>
>Rick

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Wed Aug 12 21:56:14 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:56:14 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Memorial Services
Message-ID: <4A838EDD.000023.02928@HOME>

All,

If you have not heard, I wanted everyone to have the date and time for
Memorial Services for Barry Bryant.

Saturday, 2 PM at the "Redding Christian Fellowship" on Victor Ave. Redding
CA

Thanks to everyone for your support to bear the grief we all working through
 It is overwhelm of the outpouring of friendship and tears shed. I love you
all!

Tom

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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 13 08:02:38 2009
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug .............)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:02:38 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Memorial Services
In-Reply-To: <4A838EDD.000023.02928@HOME>
References: <4A838EDD.000023.02928@HOME>
Message-ID: <SNT108-W44FF5E7A78C07003232B72D9050@phx.gbl>

Tom,.. may I convey my deepest condolences to you and your entire family.

   I think I can speak for all on this 'list' when I say we all share your
loss.

   I will be by your side in spirit on Saturday...

   May Barry rest in peace eternally and smile down upon you

             Sincerest regards,  Doug  Anderson



               2247  or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt
Flats


 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:56:14 -0700
> From: saltracer at awwwsome.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] Memorial Services



 All,

If you have not heard, I wanted everyone to have the date and time for
Memorial Services for Barry Bryant.

 Saturday, 2 PM at the "Redding Christian Fellowship" on Victor Ave. Redding,
CA


 Thanks to everyone for your support to bear the grief we are all working
through
 It is overwhelming of the outpouring of friendship and tears shed. I love you
all!


       Tom


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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Thu Aug 13 13:24:44 2009
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:24:44 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Repealing the Laws of Physics.........
Message-ID: <BFC8CBB06DF941A6A3D3C7FEFD255F53@john>

                              Repealing the Laws oPhysics.........
                              Subject: Automotive Industry Challenge... Dr.
David Cole
                              From a senior level Chrysler person

                              Monday morning I attended a breakfast meeting
where the speaker/guest was Dr. David E. Cole, Chairman, Center for Automotive
Research, (CAR and Professor at the University of Michigan ). You have all
likely heard CAR quoted, or referred to in the auto industry news lately.

                              Dr. Cole, who is an engineer by training, told
many stories of the difficulty of working with the folks that the Obama
administration has sent to save the auto industry. There have been many
meetings where a 30+ year experience automotive expert has to listen to a
newcomer to the industry, someone with zero manufacturing experience, zero
auto industry experience, zero business experience, zero finance experience,
and zero engineering experience, tell them how to run their business.

                              Dr. Cole's favorite story is as follows:

                              There was a team of Obama people speaking to Dr.
Cole (Graduate Engineer, automotive experience 40+ years, Chairman of CAR).
They were explaining to Dr. Cole that the auto companies needed to make a car
that was electric and utilized liquid natural gas (LNG) with enough combined
fuel to go 500 miles so we wouldn't "need" so many gas stations, (a whole
other topic). They were quoting the BTU's of LNG and battery life that they
had looked up on some website.

                              Dr. Cole explained that to do this you would
need a trunk FULL of batteries and a LNG tank at big as the car to make it
happen and that there were problems related to the basic laws of physics that
prevented them from...

                              The Obama person interrupted and said (and I am
quoting here): "These laws of physics? Who's rules are those? We need to
change that. (Some of the others diligently wrote down the law name so they
could look it up). We have both the congress and the administration. We can
repeal that law, amend it, or use an executive order to get rid of that
problem. That's why we are here, to fix these sort of issues".
                              This country is in big trouble...


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From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 13 20:49:16 2009
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:49:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT
In-Reply-To: <BFC8CBB06DF941A6A3D3C7FEFD255F53@john>
Message-ID: <97929.37797.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

A few days ago I wanted to see some pictures that Wes Potter said he had
posted on Facebook. So I tried to see them but never was able to. What did
happen is that I have been getting messages that people want to be my friend.
Some of whom I already considered a friend. But I can't acknowledge these
messages, affirm or deny. Because I don't seem to have a Facebook account. And
attempts to contact Facebook have gone for naught. So, Thanks for wanting to
be friends. It is well known I could use a friend. But it's not gonna happen.
It's not your fault. We just grew apart.   Rich Fox 

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Aug 13 21:10:25 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:10:25 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville Photos
In-Reply-To: <014001c7496b$5793c9a0$0200a8c0@DBTech>
References: <005301c748cc$02b086c0$b4e6e8c7@atravis>
	<014001c7496b$5793c9a0$0200a8c0@DBTech>
Message-ID: <4E9C4B63530141B39C6C639B0B5CFDEB@DBTech>

Here is a link to some pictures I took at Speed Week.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=31713&id=1406019916&saved#/album.php?a
id=31713&id=1406019916


Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Aug 13 21:13:53 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:13:53 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT
In-Reply-To: <97929.37797.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <BFC8CBB06DF941A6A3D3C7FEFD255F53@john>
	<97929.37797.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4686FEB8F01B43EEAACE36D808E03E29@DBTech>

Rich-- say it isn't so! 

Anyway I just posted some photos on Facebook but they should be visible to
anyone, even without an account there. 

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=31713&id=1406019916&saved#/album.php?a
id=31713&id=1406019916

It is annoying to get those e- mails from people you've never heard of.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich Fox
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:49 PM
To: LandSpeed List
Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT

A few days ago I wanted to see some pictures that Wes Potter said he had
posted on Facebook. So I tried to see them but never was able to. What did
happen is that I have been getting messages that people want to be my
friend.
Some of whom I already considered a friend. But I can't acknowledge these
messages, affirm or deny. Because I don't seem to have a Facebook account.
And
attempts to contact Facebook have gone for naught. So, Thanks for wanting to
be friends. It is well known I could use a friend. But it's not gonna
happen.
It's not your fault. We just grew apart.   Rich Fox 
Land-speed mailing list

You are subscribed as neil at dbelltech.com

http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 13 22:39:25 2009
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:39:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT
In-Reply-To: <4686FEB8F01B43EEAACE36D808E03E29@DBTech>
Message-ID: <621673.20311.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

What happens is it wants me to log in. But I can't. So it says reset your
password. So I try but nothing happens. Screw them.  RF
--- On Thu, 8/13/09, neil at dbelltech.com <neil at dbelltech.com> wrote:


From: neil at dbelltech.com <neil at dbelltech.com>
Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT
To: "'Rich Fox'" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>, "'LandSpeed List'"
<Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 8:13 PM


Rich-- say it isn't so!

Anyway I just posted some photos on Facebook but they should be visible to
anyone, even without an account there.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=31713&id=1406019916&saved#/album.php?a
id=31713&id=1406019916

It is annoying to get those e- mails from people you've never heard of.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Aug 14 10:27:46 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:27:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT
In-Reply-To: <4686FEB8F01B43EEAACE36D808E03E29@DBTech>
References: <BFC8CBB06DF941A6A3D3C7FEFD255F53@john>
	<97929.37797.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4686FEB8F01B43EEAACE36D808E03E29@DBTech>
Message-ID: <20090814162757.6A5EB18D29C@autox.team.net>

Neil,
I can't get on to see them either without an account...........

Skip




At 08:13 PM 8/13/2009, neil at dbelltech.com wrote:
>Rich-- say it isn't so!
>
>Anyway I just posted some photos on Facebook but they should be visible to
>anyone, even without an account there.
>
>http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=31713&id=1406019916&saved#/album.php?a
>id=31713&id=1406019916
>
>It is annoying to get those e- mails from people you've never heard of.
>
>Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
>[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich Fox
>Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:49 PM
>To: LandSpeed List
>Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT
>
>A few days ago I wanted to see some pictures that Wes Potter said he had
>posted on Facebook. So I tried to see them but never was able to. What did
>happen is that I have been getting messages that people want to be my
>friend.
>Some of whom I already considered a friend. But I can't acknowledge these
>messages, affirm or deny. Because I don't seem to have a Facebook account.
>And
>attempts to contact Facebook have gone for naught. So, Thanks for wanting to
>be friends. It is well known I could use a friend. But it's not gonna
>happen.
>It's not your fault. We just grew apart.   Rich Fox
>Land-speed mailing list
>
>You are subscribed as neil at dbelltech.com
>
>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Fri Aug 14 11:42:23 2009
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:42:23 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fast
Message-ID: <E4FF083CBDE54FB6A3E37BB7F9D4B1CD@john>

D      BFS     Poteet & Main Speed Demon 299.744 319.739 366.627 394.346
401.285

From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri Aug 14 12:16:03 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:16:03 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fast
In-Reply-To: <E4FF083CBDE54FB6A3E37BB7F9D4B1CD@john>
References: <E4FF083CBDE54FB6A3E37BB7F9D4B1CD@john>
Message-ID: <E90FE8229CE543BE840BD7F73DA7DCAB@DBTech>

Wow! Thanks, John.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Burk
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:42 AM
To: LandSpeed List
Subject: [Land-speed] Fast

D  BFS Poteet & Main Speed Demon 299.744 319.739 366.627 394.346  401.285

From john at engr.wisc.edu  Fri Aug 14 13:15:14 2009
From: john at engr.wisc.edu (john robinson)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:15:14 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Repealing the Laws of Physics.........
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20090814140935.02403eb8@cae.wisc.edu>

nope,, ain't much true there, dr. cole never met with any of the obama 
crew, the story grew out of an earlier meeting ( several years ago, so it 
would be Bush republicans)
check out snopes  http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/physics.asp

           John Robinson, Mechanician
   Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin
                 1513 University Ave.
                  Madison, Wi. 53706
                     608-262-3606
            Current World Land Speed Record Holder
                  Bonneville Salt Flats
                      H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt
                  144.396 MPH set 2000
         Antarctic Ice Driller 2002-03, '04, 2006-2007, 2007-2008
         Greenland Ice Driller 2006 

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 14 13:47:13 2009
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug .............)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:47:13 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Fast
In-Reply-To: <E4FF083CBDE54FB6A3E37BB7F9D4B1CD@john>
References: <E4FF083CBDE54FB6A3E37BB7F9D4B1CD@john>
Message-ID: <SNT108-W2387E624DEF36D39556A70D9020@phx.gbl>

Hi All


Though I've searched on landracing.com and elsewhere...  I can find no
up-to-date 'reports' of action on the salt..


you know, like 'who did what',.. -a daily diary of sorts...   --anyone seen
one?

        -Anyone got one started ?

                                         plueeeze ?

    Starvin'  for  news,  but  stuck  in   So. NY,  its just   'Dirt Track
Doug '

       -2247  miles OR MORE  due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt
Flats...    darnit.





> From: joyseydevil at comcast.net

> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:42:23 -0400
> Subject: [Land-speed] Fast


 D      BFS     Poteet & Main Speed Demon:

   299.744      319.739        366.627          394.346     401.285





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From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 14 14:20:17 2009
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:20:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fast
In-Reply-To: <SNT108-W2387E624DEF36D39556A70D9020@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <569583.58052.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Only the SCTA/BNI daily run results

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Doug ............. <boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Doug ............. <boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fast
To: joyseydevil at comcast.net, land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:47 PM


Hi All


Though I've searched on landracing.com and elsewhere...  I can find no
up-to-date 'reports' of action on the salt..


you know, like 'who did what',.. -a daily diary of sorts...   --anyone seen
one?

        -Anyone got one started ?

                                         plueeeze ?

    Starvin'  for  news,  but  stuck  in   So. NY,  its just   'Dirt Track
Doug '

       -2247  miles OR MORE  due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt
Flats...    darnit.

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Fri Aug 14 14:40:37 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:40:37 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fast
References: <E4FF083CBDE54FB6A3E37BB7F9D4B1CD@john>
	<SNT108-W2387E624DEF36D39556A70D9020@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4A85CBC5.000013.04468@HOME>

Doug,

www.scta-bni.org  keeps the info coming. Go to www.bryantauto.com for my
update of our Speedweek info which isn't what I had hope for, but we will
just play the hand we have been dealt. I know that Barry in the place God
prepared for him. If anyone out there has any doubts, think seriously about
it. I don't know how I could cope otherwise.

Tom


-------Original Message-------

From: Doug .............
Date: 8/14/2009 1:03:38 PM
To: joyseydevil at comcast.net;  land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fast

Hi All


Though I've searched on landracing.com and elsewhere...  I can find no
up-to-date 'reports' of action on the salt..

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From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Fri Aug 14 15:30:25 2009
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:30:25 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fast
In-Reply-To: <SNT108-W2387E624DEF36D39556A70D9020@phx.gbl>
References: <E4FF083CBDE54FB6A3E37BB7F9D4B1CD@john>
	<SNT108-W2387E624DEF36D39556A70D9020@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A54F3FD3-40EE-4CE5-9EDB-679452F6F2F8@nancyandjon.org>

On Aug 14, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Doug ............. wrote:

> Hi All
>
>
> Though I've searched on landracing.com and elsewhere...  I can find no
> up-to-date 'reports' of action on the salt..
>
>
> you know, like 'who did what',.. -a daily diary of sorts...   -- 
> anyone seen
> one?
>
>        -Anyone got one started ?
>
>                                         plueeeze ?
>
>    Starvin'  for  news,  but  stuck  in   So. NY,  its just   'Dirt  
> Track
> Doug '
>
>       -2247  miles OR MORE  due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt
> Flats...    darnit.
>


To all:

Well, I have to admit it -- I didn't do as good a job of providing  
coverage of SpeedWeek on landracing.com as I might have.  I'll blame  
it on Nancy's successful week (best run 199.355, new record in  
Production 1650 (motorcycle) of 198.9), and me hitting the marker at  
the 4 1/2 mile on the long course -- at about 200.  I didn't crash --  
but did bring a few bruises back to the pit.

I took and posted some photos -- but not as many as Jon Amo used to  
do.  I don't know where he used to find the energy to wrench, do  
photos and updates, and eat -- much less rest.  But he did -- and I  
guess it shows, since he was named the Bonneville 200 MPH Club person  
of the year for 2009 for having founded landracing.com.

Nancy and I will be attending the other four land speed events at  
Bonneville this year, racing some at World of Speed, but only  
spectating and reporting for the website at Bub's, the Top Speed  
Shootout, and World Finals.  I hope we can find a way to keep up - and  
keep you up to date -- with run logs or such.  I'm sending a request  
to Delvene, at Bub's as soon as I post this note, to make sure she  
gives me the logs that last year she promised b ut never delivered.

I hope you all will find some room to keep the faith -- that I'll get  
more coverage on the website as soon as possible.

Jon

From jolylance at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 14 19:34:03 2009
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (Joe & Lynne Lance)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:34:03 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT
In-Reply-To: <20090814162757.6A5EB18D29C@autox.team.net>
References: <BFC8CBB06DF941A6A3D3C7FEFD255F53@john><97929.37797.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4686FEB8F01B43EEAACE36D808E03E29@DBTech>
	<20090814162757.6A5EB18D29C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <80AFCD91B9BA4091B4C601AE24DA801A@josephb4d4bd9f>

I can't get to see them even after I created an account, it just keeps
asking me to create a new account

Lance

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Skip Higginbotham
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:28 PM
To: neil at dbelltech.com; 'Rich Fox'; 'LandSpeedList'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT

Neil,
I can't get on to see them either without an account...........

Skip




At 08:13 PM 8/13/2009, neil at dbelltech.com wrote:
>Rich-- say it isn't so!
>
>Anyway I just posted some photos on Facebook but they should be visible to
>anyone, even without an account there.
>
>http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=31713&id=1406019916&saved#/album.php?
a
>id=31713&id=1406019916
>
>It is annoying to get those e- mails from people you've never heard of.
>
>Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
>[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich Fox
>Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:49 PM
>To: LandSpeed List
>Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT
>
>A few days ago I wanted to see some pictures that Wes Potter said he had
>posted on Facebook. So I tried to see them but never was able to. What did
>happen is that I have been getting messages that people want to be my
>friend.
>Some of whom I already considered a friend. But I can't acknowledge these
>messages, affirm or deny. Because I don't seem to have a Facebook account.
>And
>attempts to contact Facebook have gone for naught. So, Thanks for wanting
to
>be friends. It is well known I could use a friend. But it's not gonna
>happen.
>It's not your fault. We just grew apart.   Rich Fox
>Land-speed mailing list
>
>You are subscribed as neil at dbelltech.com
>
>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri Aug 14 21:22:28 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:22:28 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT
In-Reply-To: <80AFCD91B9BA4091B4C601AE24DA801A@josephb4d4bd9f>
References: <BFC8CBB06DF941A6A3D3C7FEFD255F53@john><97929.37797.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com><4686FEB8F01B43EEAACE36D808E03E29@DBTech>
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I think this will work without a Facebook account:

 
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=31713&id=1406019916&l=e18f3aab49


 Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe & Lynne Lance [mailto:jolylance at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:34 PM
To: 'Skip Higginbotham'; neil at dbelltech.com; 'Rich Fox'; 'LandSpeedList'
Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT

I can't get to see them even after I created an account, it just keeps
asking me to create a new account

Lance

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Skip Higginbotham
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:28 PM
To: neil at dbelltech.com; 'Rich Fox'; 'LandSpeedList'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT

Neil,
I can't get on to see them either without an account...........

Skip




At 08:13 PM 8/13/2009, neil at dbelltech.com wrote:
>Rich-- say it isn't so!
>
>Anyway I just posted some photos on Facebook but they should be visible to
>anyone, even without an account there.
>
>http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=31713&id=1406019916&saved#/album.php?
a
>id=31713&id=1406019916
>
>It is annoying to get those e- mails from people you've never heard of.
>
>Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
>[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich Fox
>Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:49 PM
>To: LandSpeed List
>Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT
>
>A few days ago I wanted to see some pictures that Wes Potter said he had
>posted on Facebook. So I tried to see them but never was able to. What did
>happen is that I have been getting messages that people want to be my
>friend.
>Some of whom I already considered a friend. But I can't acknowledge these
>messages, affirm or deny. Because I don't seem to have a Facebook account.
>And
>attempts to contact Facebook have gone for naught. So, Thanks for wanting
to
>be friends. It is well known I could use a friend. But it's not gonna
>happen.
>It's not your fault. We just grew apart.   Rich Fox
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From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Sat Aug 15 09:20:07 2009
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:20:07 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT
References: <BFC8CBB06DF941A6A3D3C7FEFD255F53@john>
	<97929.37797.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4686FEB8F01B43EEAACE36D808E03E29@DBTech>
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This one works,   good photos  thanks

--------------------------------------------------
From: <neil at dbelltech.com>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:22 PM
To: "'Joe & Lynne Lance'" <jolylance at earthlink.net>; "'Skip Higginbotham'" 
<saltrat at pahrump.com>; "'Rich Fox'" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>; "'LandSpeedList'" 
<Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Facebook. Sort of OT

> I think this will work without a Facebook account:
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=31713&id=1406019916&l=e18f3aab49
>
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sun Aug 16 05:05:41 2009
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 7:05:41 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fast
In-Reply-To: <4A85CBC5.000013.04468@HOME>
Message-ID: <20090816070541.2GECO.136127.imail@fed1rmwml30>

Tom, 
 Thanks for the inspriation you and your family have provided over the years---our sence of loss is miniscule compared to yours--we will all feel a little bit of it as we live and see any reminder of you and your familys great racing accomplishments and as we pray for the Lord to be with you and all wo knew and loved Barry!!!!!!!!!


---- Tom Bryant <saltracer at awwwsome.com> wrote: 
> Doug,

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 16 08:36:57 2009
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug .............)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:36:57 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Fast
In-Reply-To: <4A85CBC5.000013.04468@HOME>
References: <E4FF083CBDE54FB6A3E37BB7F9D4B1CD@john>
	<SNT108-W2387E624DEF36D39556A70D9020@phx.gbl>
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Tom,... thank you for your reply,     ..it certainly wasn't expected.

  Again I wish to express my condolence to you and yours at this trying time.
I really can think of no further words to add after I read Sparky's most
recent message to you. I think all of us feel the same, -you are family to
us;



 " Thanks for the inspiration you and your family
have provided over the years -our sense of loss is minuscule compared to
yours -we will all feel a little bit of it as we live and see any reminder of
you and your family's great racing accomplishments and as we pray for the
Lord
to be with you and all who knew and loved Barry..."



 As we all well know,  life will roll on,..

-and we all hope that you will stay in touch with us on a regular basis
                 ...to keep us 'up to date' of your future machinations and
'projects'.

 best  regards,  your 'brother ' friend,
                    Doug  Anderson

                        Bainbridge, New York  USA
       -105 + miles south of the world famous  'Syracuse
Mile '
       -241.4  miles north of the Williams Grove Speedway  pit gate
       -2229.1  or so miles due east of the marvelous  Bonneville Salt
Flats


Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:40:37 -0700
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com
To: joyseydevil at comcast.net; land-speed at autox.team.net;
boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fast















Doug,

www.scta-bni.org  keeps the info coming. Go to www.bryantauto.com for my
update of our Speedweek info which isn't what I had hoped for, but we will
just play the hand we have been dealt. I know that Barry in the place God
prepared for him. If anyone out there has any doubts, think seriously about
it. I don't know how I could cope otherwise.

Tom


-------Original Message-------


From: Doug .............
Date: 8/14/2009 1:03:38 PM
To: joyseydevil at comcast.net;  land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fast

Hi All



Though I've searched on landracing.com and elsewhere...

I can find no up-to-date 'reports' of action on the salt..














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From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Sun Aug 16 08:45:27 2009
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:45:27 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanks to SCTA
Message-ID: <2857309957B74DB895FA2C3BC413DDA8@VAIO>

We arrived home from the Salt yesterday (Sat.) after the three-day drive. I
wanted to express my thanks to the SCTA for putting on another great
SpeedWeek. The management of the entire process always impresses me and for
some reason this year seemed to run even smoother. Thanks again!

 

Jim Webb

Chock Full o' Nuts

A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Sun Aug 16 15:09:17 2009
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:09:17 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed Demon
Message-ID: <058FB70AB22A490AB0D4E82BA30A335C@john>

Anybody have an idea how heavy Speed Demon is ?

From saltfever at comcast.net  Sun Aug 16 23:23:49 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:23:49 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] SCTA Run data
Message-ID: <000401ca1efa$e7028600$b5079200$@net>

Anybody having trouble downloading the daily run data from the SCTA website?
It says to right click and ''save as'' which is pretty typical. However, no
matter what I do I can't save the file to Excel. It will create an Excel
file but devoid of run data.  Copy & Paste works but is tedious. I would
like it to work as advertised. Any ideas?  Thanks  :-)

From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Mon Aug 17 06:10:16 2009
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:10:16 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] SCTA Run data
In-Reply-To: <000401ca1efa$e7028600$b5079200$@net>
References: <000401ca1efa$e7028600$b5079200$@net>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20C54678D@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

The Excel Files aren't posted yet, only the placeholders are present.
Your right clicking and saving the .html pages.

Mike Meierle
#847 F/BMMP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder/Bonneville Record Holder



-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kirkwood
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:24 AM
To: land-speed
Subject: [Land-speed] SCTA Run data

Anybody having trouble downloading the daily run data from the SCTA
website?
It says to right click and ''save as'' which is pretty typical. However,
no matter what I do I can't save the file to Excel. It will create an
Excel file but devoid of run data.  Copy & Paste works but is tedious. I
would like it to work as advertised. Any ideas?  Thanks  :-)
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Mon Aug 17 08:37:29 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:37:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] SCTA Run data
References: <000401ca1efa$e7028600$b5079200$@net>
Message-ID: <19D1091B4AA84202B5F1EE27712CBCE6@edc2750afa5a84>

Kirkwood -- 

Highlight and copy the table from the SCTA-BNI website (to your clipboard) 
and "Paste Special" as "Unformatted Text" into a blank Word document. If you 
change the text size down to 8 it will be clear to read on the Word document 
if that's all you want to do. Then save the document as a .txt file.  Now 
close the file.  (Excel won't import if the Word .txt file is open.

Open Excel and go to "Data", "Get External Data", "Import Text File" and 
browse for the file.

Highlight the file and click on "Import".

A "Text Import Wizard" box will appear.  This data set is a tab delimited 
file which is the default for this Wizard; so just click the "Next" button. 
You can click through the following "Next" buttons to the "Finish" and you 
will have your Excel spreadsheet ready for data sorting.  Or you can follow 
the instructions for a different format or placement on an existing Excel 
worksheet you have already worked on.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirkwood" <saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "land-speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:23 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] SCTA Run data


> Anybody having trouble downloading the daily run data from the SCTA 
> website?
> It says to right click and ''save as'' which is pretty typical. However, 
> no
> matter what I do I can't save the file to Excel. It will create an Excel
> file but devoid of run data.  Copy & Paste works but is tedious. I would
> like it to work as advertised. Any ideas?  Thanks  :-)

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 17 16:24:56 2009
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook redux
Message-ID: <673558.21195.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Mike Cook and Rocky Robinson want to be my friend. And I can't respond. They
will think I'm to stuck up to hang with wantabes like them. Wess, you got me
into this.  Rich Fox

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From dlodom at charter.net  Mon Aug 17 17:01:05 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:01:05 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook redux
References: <673558.21195.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003b01ca1f8e$9d342da0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Be aware that face book makes their money by selling the information you put 
on the website about yourself. That is how they can do this no charge.

Doug from Big Ditch


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 3:24 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Facebook redux


> Mike Cook and Rocky Robinson want to be my friend. And I can't respond. 
> They
> will think I'm to stuck up to hang with wantabes like them. Wess, you got 
> me
> into this.  Rich Fox
>
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Mon Aug 17 18:32:01 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:32:01 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] SCTA Run data
Message-ID: <002901ca1f9b$4e5118d0$eaf34a70$@net>

To all that replied, Thank you.  I have been called away for unanticipated
travel. I'm off-line after this is sent.

From kturk at adelphia.net  Mon Aug 17 20:52:23 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:52:23 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Memorial Services
References: <4A838EDD.000023.02928@HOME>
	<SNT108-W44FF5E7A78C07003232B72D9050@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F13F1D5E1A384666B623F16D0DD2E09C@keithhrijwmm4p>

Tom... we just got home and wanted you to know you've been in our thoughts 
and hearts constantly for the last week...

Godspeed Barry...

Keith & Tonya Turk 

From dlodom at charter.net  Tue Aug 18 15:51:49 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:51:49 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] GT car for sale
Message-ID: <011e01ca204e$17c9a7b0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Record holding C5 GT Corvette for sale. Complete less engine. E/GT record
holder at Bonneville. Never run at El Mirage but should be able to set E/GT,
D/GT and C/GT records there.
This car is fast and very safe. NASCAR Cup seat and roof flap. 3/16th steel
front and rear firewalls and floors. NASCAR rear-end with 2 gear sets.
Straight front axle with air bags front and rear. Dry sump tank. Direct drive
TH 350 Transmission. Car Show paint job. The car has been in Corvette
magazines. For pictures and more info go to www.popmotorsports.com/3.html
$18K        Doug Odom 805-489-6228   shop       805-458-0802 Cell

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 18 21:21:52 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:21:52 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Check out the Cobra bodies at Kirkham's
Message-ID: <7412DE3D-BBA6-4960-8A00-3123DA3D77C4@comcast.net>

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2015317&id=1400743868&saved

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 18 21:42:28 2009
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug .............)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 03:42:28 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Check out the Cobra bodies at Kirkham's
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    won't let me.  Durn thing demands I 'log in'.
    Gheesh,..  I don't belong to it, nor do I ever plan to.
     Sorry no time for such.

c heers, 'Dirt Track Doug '

  2243.3
or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt Flats



                 but never more
than a few feet from a cold
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> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:21:52 -0600
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>
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From rbuck at xmission.com  Wed Aug 19 07:19:41 2009
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:19:41 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed Demon
In-Reply-To: <058FB70AB22A490AB0D4E82BA30A335C@john>
References: <058FB70AB22A490AB0D4E82BA30A335C@john>
Message-ID: <E1MdlFj-0002As-S4@in02.mta.xmission.com>

At 03:09 PM 8/16/2009, John Burk wrote:
>Anybody have an idea how heavy Speed Demon is ?

Their website says 3100 pounds.

RtR

From Turborick at Turborick.com  Wed Aug 19 09:53:29 2009
From: Turborick at Turborick.com (Rick Yacoucci)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:53:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Car 788 pictures
In-Reply-To: <E1MdlFj-0002As-S4@in02.mta.xmission.com>
References: <058FB70AB22A490AB0D4E82BA30A335C@john>
	<E1MdlFj-0002As-S4@in02.mta.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <006601ca20e5$32794b50$976be1f0$@com>

Hi guys I'm looking for pictures of 788 Nebulous Theorem III 
Seems my camera can't take pictures without an operator... LOL 

Rick Yacoucci

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Wed Aug 19 10:26:20 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:26:20 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanks to all!
Message-ID: <4A8C27AB.000003.03808@D3DP98F1>

Friends,

I feel a need to respond to all the kind words and prayers offered in this
dark time. I just cant individually respond to all the cards, phone calls,
emails and other communications that were received the last few days and
they are still coming.  Although I know that time will help the healing,
there is a great hole in my life at present. As we do what we do, I have
always been apprehensive when I send someone else for a ride in the car. I
know that the car was not as professional in its construction as many others
 but safety was always on the front burner. There were some things I would
have done differently if I could replay the scene, but it doesnt seem that
the end result would have been different. This has rerun in my minds so many
times analyzing what happened and as yet I dont have the answers and may
never know why it happened.

Except for the 1997 rollover, primarily because of an unbalanced car and a
soft course, our car has always handled well. During the rebuild of the car,
improvements were made to give us a better-balanced car. I also added
skirting and a spoiler that was a positive move which has been proven. Since
then, eight different drivers experienced no hint of a handling problem.
Making its first run at the 1992 Speedweek, this car has been the source of
many good times for our family and six joined me in the Bonneville 200 MPH
Club. Sadness engulfs us at this time, but the memories will shore us up. I
love you all.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From neil at dbelltech.com  Wed Aug 19 12:03:37 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:03:37 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Car 788 pictures
In-Reply-To: <006601ca20e5$32794b50$976be1f0$@com>
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Message-ID: <675A35F5C48B42C1BAA8D6A8E8BE5789@DBTech>

Rick;

I'll attach two photos of 788.

Please let me know if the e- mail system deletes them.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Yacoucci
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:53 AM
To: 'LandSpeed List'
Subject: [Land-speed] Car 788 pictures

Hi guys I'm looking for pictures of 788 Nebulous Theorem III 
Seems my camera can't take pictures without an operator... LOL 

Rick Yacoucci
land-speed

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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Aug 19 12:37:43 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:37:43 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Car 788 pictures
In-Reply-To: <675A35F5C48B42C1BAA8D6A8E8BE5789@DBTech>
References: <058FB70AB22A490AB0D4E82BA30A335C@john><E1MdlFj-0002As-S4@in02.mta.xmission.com><006601ca20e5$32794b50$976be1f0$@com>
	<675A35F5C48B42C1BAA8D6A8E8BE5789@DBTech>
Message-ID: <45FCE4D525BD4951987A34C487E36FAA@GlenPC>

This web site will not allow attachments.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: "'Rick Yacoucci'" <Turborick at Turborick.com>; "'LandSpeed List'" 
<Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Car 788 pictures


> Rick;
>
> I'll attach two photos of 788.
>
> Please let me know if the e- mail system deletes them.
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Yacoucci
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:53 AM
> To: 'LandSpeed List'
> Subject: [Land-speed] Car 788 pictures
>
> Hi guys I'm looking for pictures of 788 Nebulous Theorem III
> Seems my camera can't take pictures without an operator... LOL
>
> Rick Yacoucci
> land-speed
>
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>
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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 19 14:28:18 2009
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug .............)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:28:18 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Car 788 pictures
In-Reply-To: <675A35F5C48B42C1BAA8D6A8E8BE5789@DBTech>
References: <058FB70AB22A490AB0D4E82BA30A335C@john><E1MdlFj-0002As-S4@in02.mta.xmission.com>
	<006601ca20e5$32794b50$976be1f0$@com> 
	<675A35F5C48B42C1BAA8D6A8E8BE5789@DBTech>
Message-ID: <SNT108-W446EAF2CC39B2DCCB625BAD9FE0@phx.gbl>

     Neil,



couldya sendem here too     - Plueeeeeze?    ;-)

    - 'cause the $%^&&* server won't let us see'em otherwise,...
         thanks yer a   pal,.... 'Dirt Track Doug '



  2243.3
or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt Flats



         but never more
than a few feet from a cold one

 ===================================================================
 > From: neil at dbelltech.com
> To: Turborick at Turborick.com; Land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:03:37 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Car 788 pictures
>
> Rick;
>
> I'll attach two photos of 788.
>
> Please let me know if the e- mail system deletes them.
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Yacoucci
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:53 AM
> To: 'LandSpeed List'
> Subject: [Land-speed] Car 788 pictures
>
> Hi guys I'm looking for pictures of 788 Nebulous Theorem III
> Seems my camera can't take pictures without an operator... LOL
>
> Rick Yacoucci
> land-speed

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From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Wed Aug 19 18:05:25 2009
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:05:25 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] L S R "coverage" on landracing.com
Message-ID: <FBB18E84-A7A4-4E2C-8FC4-677BC16F7CE4@nancyandjon.org>

A few days ago I mentioned, in response to Doug's comments on the lack  
of news/photos of SpeedWeek -- that I admitted I hadn't put much stuff  
on landracing.com.  So I've begun to do something about that lack, by  
asking Ray Buck (Ray the Rat) to do photography for the site.  You may  
have seen his stuff -- he runs the "ChevyAsylum" site and is the guy  
that took the photo of the Burkland #411 car a few inches off the  
ground at the Top Speed Shootout last September.

I know that he'll take enough pictures to keep all of you satisfied,  
so that leaves me only the chores of getting both run data and some  
"commentary" on the site.  For the run data -- well, I'm already set  
up to get daily run logs from Delvene for the Bub's motorcycle meet --  
but that's probably not the top priority for lots of you.  At World of  
Speed I'll ask Wes Potter if I can have a copy of the daily runs to  
post, I know I can get data for the Top Speed Shootout, and that  
leaves only World Finals.  I'll start working towards getting a copy  
of the SCTA daily run logs -- and maybe even get them in an easy-to- 
use format.

Commentary?  Well, umn, unnhhh, how about "Boyoboy, did that car go  
fast!"?  Is that god enough or do you want something more specific?   
(Just kidding here).

Whatever -- I'll try harder than ever to give you the kind of  
information you want to have -- coming from landracing.com.  Thanks  
for taking a minute to read this, and thanks for taking another minute  
to send a note back to me (and the others, too, if you'd so like to  
do) to tell me specifically what you want.

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From neil at dbelltech.com  Wed Aug 19 18:27:18 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:27:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] L S R "coverage" on landracing.com
In-Reply-To: <FBB18E84-A7A4-4E2C-8FC4-677BC16F7CE4@nancyandjon.org>
References: <FBB18E84-A7A4-4E2C-8FC4-677BC16F7CE4@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <CB79C780DDD54C418385A099C16462D6@DBTech>

Thanks for all the hard work you put into this, Jon.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jon Wennerberg
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:05 PM
To: Doug .............
Cc: LSR list
Subject: [Land-speed] L S R "coverage" on landracing.com

A few days ago I mentioned, in response to Doug's comments on the lack  
of news/photos of SpeedWeek -- that I admitted I hadn't put much stuff  
on landracing.com.  So I've begun to do something about that lack, by  
asking Ray Buck (Ray the Rat) to do photography for the site.  You may  
have seen his stuff -- he runs the "ChevyAsylum" site and is the guy  
that took the photo of the Burkland #411 car a few inches off the  
ground at the Top Speed Shootout last September.

I know that he'll take enough pictures to keep all of you satisfied,  
so that leaves me only the chores of getting both run data and some  
"commentary" on the site.  For the run data -- well, I'm already set  
up to get daily run logs from Delvene for the Bub's motorcycle meet --  
but that's probably not the top priority for lots of you.  At World of  
Speed I'll ask Wes Potter if I can have a copy of the daily runs to  
post, I know I can get data for the Top Speed Shootout, and that  
leaves only World Finals.  I'll start working towards getting a copy  
of the SCTA daily run logs -- and maybe even get them in an easy-to- 
use format.

Commentary?  Well, umn, unnhhh, how about "Boyoboy, did that car go  
fast!"?  Is that god enough or do you want something more specific?   
(Just kidding here).

Whatever -- I'll try harder than ever to give you the kind of  
information you want to have -- coming from landracing.com.  Thanks  
for taking a minute to read this, and thanks for taking another minute  
to send a note back to me (and the others, too, if you'd so like to  
do) to tell me specifically what you want.

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats
Land-speed mailing list

You are subscribed as neil at dbelltech.com

http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Wed Aug 19 21:13:33 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:13:33 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] L S R "coverage" on landracing.com
References: <FBB18E84-A7A4-4E2C-8FC4-677BC16F7CE4@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <C3C4FFC95DAE4A7A9019D62D786F926C@mydf7618c59bbf>

Jon everything you are doing is great. When I needed to know speeds I waited 
for the SCTA-BNI site the next day. You and Nancy are not only volunters for 
the SCTA but run your own vehicles too. There are so many others the post 
there pics on this site I get the feeling I'm there when I'm not. The 
shootouts and Bub are different but I'll get info whereever I can and not 
complain......Thanks for all you do....................JD
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Wennerberg" <jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org>
To: "Doug ............." <boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com>
Cc: "LSR list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:05 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] L S R "coverage" on landracing.com


>A few days ago I mentioned, in response to Doug's comments on the lack  of 
>news/photos of SpeedWeek -- that I admitted I hadn't put much stuff  on 
>landracing.com.  So I've begun to do something about that lack, by  asking 
>Ray Buck (Ray the Rat) to do photography for the site.  You may  have seen 
>his stuff -- he runs the "ChevyAsylum" site and is the guy  that took the 
>photo of the Burkland #411 car a few inches off the  ground at the Top 
>Speed Shootout last September.
>
> I know that he'll take enough pictures to keep all of you satisfied,  so 
> that leaves me only the chores of getting both run data and some 
> "commentary" on the site.  For the run data -- well, I'm already set  up 
> to get daily run logs from Delvene for the Bub's motorcycle meet --  but 
> that's probably not the top priority for lots of you.  At World of  Speed 
> I'll ask Wes Potter if I can have a copy of the daily runs to  post, I 
> know I can get data for the Top Speed Shootout, and that  leaves only 
> World Finals.  I'll start working towards getting a copy  of the SCTA 
> daily run logs -- and maybe even get them in an easy-to- use format.
>
> Commentary?  Well, umn, unnhhh, how about "Boyoboy, did that car go 
> fast!"?  Is that god enough or do you want something more specific? 
> (Just kidding here).
>
> Whatever -- I'll try harder than ever to give you the kind of  information 
> you want to have -- coming from landracing.com.  Thanks  for taking a 
> minute to read this, and thanks for taking another minute  to send a note 
> back to me (and the others, too, if you'd so like to  do) to tell me 
> specifically what you want.
>
>       Jon Wennerberg
> Tall guy with moustache
> and a pair of 2 Club hats
> _______________________________________________
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From zoombot at cox.net  Thu Aug 20 14:56:38 2009
From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:56:38 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR "Coverage"
Message-ID: <A194F73FF5624F5BA330C8D782E65082@HomePC>

    List -

    Not to be flippant concerning Landracing.com's photo coverage of
Speedweek, but there are plenty of photos to view over on BangShift.com.
Scroll thru the blog for daily reports and photos, and check the Forum for the
Land Speed Racing section. It kept me going back for the whole week with good
coverage.

    http://www.bangshift.com/blog.html

    http://www.bangshift.com/forum/

    - Chris Pile aka aircap

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Thu Aug 20 18:17:52 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:17:52 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Web sight update
Message-ID: <4A8DE7B0.000006.01864@HOME>

Just put Barry's obit and a couple of comments on web site www.bryantauto
com and to Bryant Racing.

Tom

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From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Fri Aug 21 17:15:02 2009
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:15:02 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Pictures Posted From SpeedWeek
Message-ID: <DE47ED4AA0D047A5AF24ABF1D85B207A@VAIO>

If anyone is interested, our website has been updated for SpeedWeek 2009.
Please ignore all the missing years - we'll fill in those as time and memory
permits. You may find pictures of your car or something that you'd find
interesting on the salt. If anyone needs higher resolution pics for any
reason, just let me know.

Visit: http://www.nutsracing.com/

 

As a side note, this Tuesday one of our Bonneville friends who was at
SpeedWeek, Ken Leaf passed away in his sleep. Despite being a Harley racer
and a Yankee, he was our friend and helped a lot on the truck. Ken will
surely be missed in the shop. 

 

 

Jim Webb

Chock Full o' Nuts

A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From saltfevr at q.com  Fri Aug 21 20:14:18 2009
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:14:18 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Pictures Posted From SpeedWeek
In-Reply-To: <DE47ED4AA0D047A5AF24ABF1D85B207A@VAIO>
References: <DE47ED4AA0D047A5AF24ABF1D85B207A@VAIO>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W1EE17DE6C50DCA607CBB9C9FB0@phx.gbl>

Jim;



Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear about the "blowouts". And I don't mean
Texas BBQ's. Nice finally meeting you around the long course 6 mile! Hope to
see 'ya in Oct?

Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah




> From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com
> To: Land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:15:02 -0500
> Subject: [Land-speed] Pictures Posted From SpeedWeek
>
> If anyone is interested, our website has been updated for SpeedWeek 2009.
> Please ignore all the missing years - we'll fill in those as time and
memory
> permits. You may find pictures of your car or something that you'd find
> interesting on the salt. If anyone needs higher resolution pics for any
> reason, just let me know.
>
> Visit: http://www.nutsracing.com/
>
>
>
> As a side note, this Tuesday one of our Bonneville friends who was at
> SpeedWeek, Ken Leaf passed away in his sleep. Despite being a Harley racer
> and a Yankee, he was our friend and helped a lot on the truck. Ken will
> surely be missed in the shop.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jim Webb
>
> Chock Full o' Nuts
>
> A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
> _______________________________________________
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From gary_ellen at msn.com  Sat Aug 22 13:46:53 2009
From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:46:53 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] computer found
Message-ID: <BLU146-DS78FCFA06FD3D84F5D50BEF9FB0@phx.gbl>

Hi, I just had a call from someone.  His parents found a laptop on the access
road during speed week.  It evidently still boots.  He is posting on
Craigslist and I told him to check on landracing.com and of course with SCTA.
However if one if you lost a lap top email me and I will forward you his phone
number off list.  No point in putting it out to every body.
thanks
Ellen
Gary & Ellen Wilkinson
Utah Salt Flats Racing Association
World of Speed, Sept. 16 - 19, 2009
www.saltflats.com<http://www.saltflats.com/>

From Turborick at Turborick.com  Sat Aug 22 20:13:40 2009
From: Turborick at Turborick.com (Rick Yacoucci)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:13:40 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Por 15
In-Reply-To: <BLU146-DS78FCFA06FD3D84F5D50BEF9FB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU146-DS78FCFA06FD3D84F5D50BEF9FB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <010b01ca2397$553d8750$ffb895f0$@com>

Hey guys I remember a few years back a thread on Por 15 and am wondering how
it is holding up
788 is getting rusty and I only want to do this once 

Thanks Rick

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Sat Aug 22 20:26:24 2009
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:26:24 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Por 15
In-Reply-To: <010b01ca2397$553d8750$ffb895f0$@com>
References: <BLU146-DS78FCFA06FD3D84F5D50BEF9FB0@phx.gbl>
	<010b01ca2397$553d8750$ffb895f0$@com>
Message-ID: <0A1976ABAD4B456D8D988A82CE402DA7@VAIO>

Rick,

I sold POR-15 for a while and still have some. As far as any kind of paint
that will last at the salt, I've seen nothing better. Everything I painted
on the Big Red Truck with it still looks new. Everything I didn't doesn't.
Prep is the key, but not that difficult and if the part is already got
surface rust, it just sticks better. For a header test, I used their high
temp black and mixed in some ceramic beads. It stuck great to old headers. I
love the stuff.

Jim Webb
Chock Full o' Nuts
A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
 
-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Yacoucci
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:14 PM
To: 'autox'
Subject: [Land-speed] Por 15

Hey guys I remember a few years back a thread on Por 15 and am wondering how
it is holding up
788 is getting rusty and I only want to do this once 

Thanks Rick
_______________________________________________

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Aug 22 23:06:03 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:06:03 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] List interruption
Message-ID: <20090823050603.ABDDE2E09F@bradakis.com>

First off, let me say thanks to those who have recently contributed to
the continued running of Team.Net - I do appreciate it.

I think I have all the AOL folks back on the list as before.
If you're an AOL subscriber and you didn't get this email, let me know ;-)

Monday, August 24, the local power company will be doing some work in
my neighborhood.  Power may be off here at the house for several
hours.  I'll be shutting down the servers that morning, and they could
be off until later that afternoon.  So if you send off a message and
don't see it for a while, or you can't get to the archives or forums,
be patient, things will get back to normal.

mjb.

From saltfever at comcast.net  Sun Aug 23 17:42:24 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:42:24 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] List interruption
Message-ID: <002001ca244b$5e0eb610$1a2c2230$@net>

Great hearing from you Mark and sorry about the extra work you are going
through. FYI the DIGEST FORMAT still does NOT have a link  for donations!
Christmas is only 4 months away. You might want to get it fixed before then
in case someone is feeling generous around the holidays :-) 

 

From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>

First off, let me say thanks to those who have recently contributed to the
continued running of Team.Net - I do appreciate it.

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Aug 23 19:51:36 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:51:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Electrolysis Issues...
Message-ID: <4A91F228.6040208@mayfco.com>

Well, it is Miller time here at the Mayfield Ranch and compound in 
Pahrump. However, I have forgone the MIller is lieu of a double gin 
martini on the rocks, stirred not shaken with a plethora of pimento 
stuffed olives, the dinky size.  I have been cleanining parts all day 
long, as yesterday I removed the motor from the worlds fastest sunbeam 
(wannabe) in order to install a cutom grind turbo cam and solid roller 
lifters. As I was cleaning the heads today, I find that around some of 
the water ports in the head I see signs of electrolysis. My heads are 
aluminum and the block is cast iron but in between is a solid copper 
head gasket.  That seems to me to make a fine battery of sorts. What 
have you folk done to remediate the electrolysis problem?  Is putting a 
sacrificial zinc bar in the coolant water a solution? What others are 
there? I use distilled water per the head makers instructions and also 
Red Line water wetter. Nothing else. Is there a product that will 
prevent corrosion that comes in a bottle or can?

Thoughts? Comments?

many thanks in advance,

mayf

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Aug 23 20:13:02 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:13:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Electrolysis Issues...
In-Reply-To: <4A91F228.6040208@mayfco.com>
References: <4A91F228.6040208@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <EDFA9697C1244C55B38271BFBFF01377@DBTech>

Good ol' Prestone has corrosion inhibitors in it but I don't know what they
are-- sorry, Mayf.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:52 PM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] Electrolysis Issues...

Well, it is Miller time here at the Mayfield Ranch and compound in 
Pahrump. However, I have forgone the MIller is lieu of a double gin 
martini on the rocks, stirred not shaken with a plethora of pimento 
stuffed olives, the dinky size.  I have been cleanining parts all day 
long, as yesterday I removed the motor from the worlds fastest sunbeam 
(wannabe) in order to install a cutom grind turbo cam and solid roller 
lifters. As I was cleaning the heads today, I find that around some of 
the water ports in the head I see signs of electrolysis. My heads are 
aluminum and the block is cast iron but in between is a solid copper 
head gasket.  That seems to me to make a fine battery of sorts. What 
have you folk done to remediate the electrolysis problem?  Is putting a 
sacrificial zinc bar in the coolant water a solution? What others are 
there? I use distilled water per the head makers instructions and also 
Red Line water wetter. Nothing else. Is there a product that will 
prevent corrosion that comes in a bottle or can?

Thoughts? Comments?

many thanks in advance,

mayf

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sun Aug 23 20:18:12 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:18:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Electrolysis Issues...
References: <4A91F228.6040208@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <91C733EF6FF54AD9989CA50311E5C640@edc2750afa5a84>

Mayf -- If you're going to have electrolytic corrosion from dissimilar 
metals you need to have an electrolyte.  This begs the question of what is 
in this Red Line product you use.  On the other hand, and this is a pretty 
long shot, but did you use plain old distilled water from the supermarket or 
did some high tech world connection give you some high resistivity deionized 
water?  Anything over 1 megohm resistivity corrodes everything but stainless 
steel.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:51 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Electrolysis Issues...
>........... I find that around some of the water ports in the head I see 
>signs of electrolysis. My heads are aluminum and the block is cast iron but 
>in between is a solid copper head gasket.  That seems to me to make a fine 
>battery of sorts. What have you folk done to remediate the electrolysis 
>problem?  Is putting a sacrificial zinc bar in the coolant water a 
>solution? What others are there? I use distilled water per the head makers 
>instructions and also Red Line water wetter. Nothing else. Is there a 
>product that will prevent corrosion that comes in a bottle or can? 
>........mayf

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Mon Aug 24 07:47:13 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:47:13 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Electrolysis Issues...
In-Reply-To: <4A91F228.6040208@mayfco.com>
References: <4A91F228.6040208@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <20090824134718.D7B55187658@autox.team.net>

I have used Prestone Super Anti-rust successfully. Mix per 
instructions. I don't think that it is flammable.

Skip




At 06:51 PM 8/23/2009, drmayf wrote:
>Well, it is Miller time here at the Mayfield Ranch and compound in 
>Pahrump. However, I have forgone the MIller is lieu of a double gin 
>martini on the rocks, stirred not shaken with a plethora of pimento 
>stuffed olives, the dinky size.  I have been cleanining parts all 
>day long, as yesterday I removed the motor from the worlds fastest 
>sunbeam (wannabe) in order to install a cutom grind turbo cam and 
>solid roller lifters. As I was cleaning the heads today, I find that 
>around some of the water ports in the head I see signs of 
>electrolysis. My heads are aluminum and the block is cast iron but 
>in between is a solid copper head gasket.  That seems to me to make 
>a fine battery of sorts. What have you folk done to remediate the 
>electrolysis problem?  Is putting a sacrificial zinc bar in the 
>coolant water a solution? What others are there? I use distilled 
>water per the head makers instructions and also Red Line water 
>wetter. Nothing else. Is there a product that will prevent corrosion 
>that comes in a bottle or can?
>
>Thoughts? Comments?
>
>many thanks in advance,

From jet at pistonsandrods.com  Mon Aug 24 08:11:30 2009
From: jet at pistonsandrods.com (Jet Fuel)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:11:30 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Por 15
In-Reply-To: <0A1976ABAD4B456D8D988A82CE402DA7@VAIO>
References: <BLU146-DS78FCFA06FD3D84F5D50BEF9FB0@phx.gbl>
	<010b01ca2397$553d8750$ffb895f0$@com>
	<0A1976ABAD4B456D8D988A82CE402DA7@VAIO>
Message-ID: <e8fdd710908240711o1fe60649t488184b07a3460b4@mail.gmail.com>

>  Hey guys I remember a few years back a thread on Por 15 and am wondering
> how
> it is holding up
> 788 is getting rusty and I only want to do this once
>
> Thanks Rick
>


I did my 1925 Chrysler tank with it in early 2003. The tank was in pretty
bad shape. Prep method was fresh gasoline and gravel with a couple water
rinses and a day of dry-time. The POR is still holding up well with the
exception of a small area at the neck. If I were to do it again, I'd pay
more attention in that area with prep and application. ...but I'd definitely
use it again. No leaks, no rust, no drama.

-Glen 966B

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Aug 25 09:34:56 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:34:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Seth Hammond and his new Lakester
Message-ID: <4A9404A0.3040900@mayfco.com>

Does anyone know if Mr. Hammond has a web site or email where he can be 
contacted regarding his new car?

Thanks in advance

mayf

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue Aug 25 09:48:10 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:48:10 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Seth Hammond and his new Lakester
In-Reply-To: <4A9404A0.3040900@mayfco.com>
References: <4A9404A0.3040900@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <76E3190C1CA349CAA22F77C395755CCF@GlenPC>

PM sent
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:34 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Seth Hammond and his new Lakester


> Does anyone know if Mr. Hammond has a web site or email where he can be 
> contacted regarding his new car?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> mayf
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Aug 25 12:04:07 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:04:07 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Seth Hammond and his new Lakester
In-Reply-To: <76E3190C1CA349CAA22F77C395755CCF@GlenPC>
References: <4A9404A0.3040900@mayfco.com>
	<76E3190C1CA349CAA22F77C395755CCF@GlenPC>
Message-ID: <4A942797.3000300@mayfco.com>

Thanks to everybody who replied. I have the information I wanted.

mayf
speedtimer at beyondbb.com wrote:

> PM sent
> Glen
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:34 AM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Seth Hammond and his new Lakester
>
>
>> Does anyone know if Mr. Hammond has a web site or email where he can 
>> be contacted regarding his new car?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> mayf
>> _______________________________________________
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Tue Aug 25 12:51:33 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:51:33 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR  VERY NON LSR    --      Windows 7
Message-ID: <4A9432B5.7040606@wildblue.net>

FYI.......

In my opinion, if you don't like Windows Vista, you will hate Windows-7.
I've given up.
If I have to learn a totally new OS, I'm going to try BSD or Linux.
BSD in hack proof, but harder to learn.

Bryan

From kturk at adelphia.net  Tue Aug 25 13:09:56 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:09:56 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Seth Hammond and his new Lakester
References: <4A9404A0.3040900@mayfco.com><76E3190C1CA349CAA22F77C395755CCF@GlenPC>
	<4A942797.3000300@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <86D1DA04E47A4A508FAE8BBD6C0F7A33@keithhrijwmm4p>

Larry ... what where you looking for??

Inquiring minds want to know.... Oh and Hey guys... if you didn't know... 
Seth's car is in the Current issue of Hot Rod...

K 

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Tue Aug 25 16:55:20 2009
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:55:20 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR  VERY NON LSR    --      Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <4A9432B5.7040606@wildblue.net>
References: <4A9432B5.7040606@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <3780060A42DF44098B3CFE63B160FA7C@VAIO>

I have yet to try Windows 7, but prolly will soon. All day, every day I use
three computers at work. One XP, one Vista and one Mac. I can find faults
with each, but for overall stability and ease of use, the Mac is pretty darn
good. The XP machine is also very stable and I often don't reboot it for
weeks or months. Vista locks up once a day, every day. From what I've seen
of 7, it looks more Mac-like, but the migration path from XP is non-existent
and if it is as stable as Vista, I'll probably pass. Most reports, though
give it pretty good marks.

Jim Webb
Chock Full o' Nuts
A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From neil at dbelltech.com  Tue Aug 25 17:28:59 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:28:59 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR  VERY NON LSR    --      Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <3780060A42DF44098B3CFE63B160FA7C@VAIO>
References: <4A9432B5.7040606@wildblue.net>
	<3780060A42DF44098B3CFE63B160FA7C@VAIO>
Message-ID: <40C45FD1BED643978EC252854723B113@DBTech>

Jim;

I use XP and it would take a lot to get me to switch to a newer operating
system. Upgrading is supposed to be painless but inevitably there will be a
problem recognizing some hardware, and new drivers are often required for
stuff you've been using for years. Sometimes drivers for old hardware just
are not available for newer operating systems and some software isn't
compatible, either.

W7 or Vista-- no thanks.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Webb
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:55 PM
To: 'List Land Speed'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR VERY NON LSR -- Windows 7

I have yet to try Windows 7, but prolly will soon. All day, every day I use
three computers at work. One XP, one Vista and one Mac. I can find faults
with each, but for overall stability and ease of use, the Mac is pretty darn
good. The XP machine is also very stable and I often don't reboot it for
weeks or months. Vista locks up once a day, every day. From what I've seen
of 7, it looks more Mac-like, but the migration path from XP is non-existent
and if it is as stable as Vista, I'll probably pass. Most reports, though
give it pretty good marks.

Jim Webb
Chock Full o' Nuts
A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 25 17:37:09 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:37:09 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR  VERY NON LSR    --      Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <3780060A42DF44098B3CFE63B160FA7C@VAIO>
References: <4A9432B5.7040606@wildblue.net>
	<3780060A42DF44098B3CFE63B160FA7C@VAIO>
Message-ID: <222938F8-32B8-4888-A99E-DC1EE17D1FCE@comcast.net>

I love my iMac!

The only problem I have with my iMac is of my own doing.  I didn't buy  
all
the operating memory I should have because I don't have the resources
to pay another $600 to get me what I now would like to have.

I should have listened to my son in law who built his own PC computer
with a terrabyte of memory.  That's what you learn with a PhD in  
Information
Systems.

He hasn't touched Windows 7 as yet but is hoping it will be the  
operating
system on his new computer at the university where he teaches when he
goes back to classes this fall.  He is in a situation where he can play
around with a new operating system and has the technical knowledge
to solve problems he may find.

Wes

On Aug 25, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Jim Webb wrote:

> I have yet to try Windows 7, but prolly will soon. All day, every  
> day I use
> three computers at work. One XP, one Vista and one Mac. I can find  
> faults
> with each, but for overall stability and ease of use, the Mac is  
> pretty darn
> good. The XP machine is also very stable and I often don't reboot it  
> for
> weeks or months. Vista locks up once a day, every day. From what  
> I've seen
> of 7, it looks more Mac-like, but the migration path from XP is non- 
> existent
> and if it is as stable as Vista, I'll probably pass. Most reports,  
> though
> give it pretty good marks.
>
> Jim Webb
> Chock Full o' Nuts
> A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
> _______________________________________________
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Tue Aug 25 17:44:31 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:44:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR  VERY NON LSR    --      Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <222938F8-32B8-4888-A99E-DC1EE17D1FCE@comcast.net>
References: <4A9432B5.7040606@wildblue.net><3780060A42DF44098B3CFE63B160FA7C@VAIO>
	<222938F8-32B8-4888-A99E-DC1EE17D1FCE@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <90E107E1654B49F49DB54A9C225FF42E@DBTech>

Wes;

When I bought this computer I did not specify much memory-- only 512K RAM.
Over time this system has gotten slower and slower-- to the point of
exasperation. After cleaning out a host of temporary files and defragging my
hard drive it was only slightly better. On a whim I ordered 2G of RAM and
when I replaced the 512K with 2G it was back up to speed. What a difference!

Wow-- 1T RAM-- that's really something!

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wester Potter
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:37 PM
To: jimwebb at nutsracing.com
Cc: List Land Speed
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR VERY NON LSR -- Windows 7

I love my iMac!

The only problem I have with my iMac is of my own doing.  I didn't buy  
all
the operating memory I should have because I don't have the resources
to pay another $600 to get me what I now would like to have.

I should have listened to my son in law who built his own PC computer
with a terrabyte of memory.  That's what you learn with a PhD in  
Information
Systems.

He hasn't touched Windows 7 as yet but is hoping it will be the  
operating
system on his new computer at the university where he teaches when he
goes back to classes this fall.  He is in a situation where he can play
around with a new operating system and has the technical knowledge
to solve problems he may find.

Wes

On Aug 25, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Jim Webb wrote:

> I have yet to try Windows 7, but prolly will soon. All day, every  
> day I use
> three computers at work. One XP, one Vista and one Mac. I can find  
> faults
> with each, but for overall stability and ease of use, the Mac is  
> pretty darn
> good. The XP machine is also very stable and I often don't reboot it  
> for
> weeks or months. Vista locks up once a day, every day. From what  
> I've seen
> of 7, it looks more Mac-like, but the migration path from XP is non- 
> existent
> and if it is as stable as Vista, I'll probably pass. Most reports,  
> though
> give it pretty good marks.
>
> Jim Webb
> Chock Full o' Nuts
> A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue Aug 25 18:14:30 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:14:30 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR  VERY NON LSR    --      Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <90E107E1654B49F49DB54A9C225FF42E@DBTech>
References: <4A9432B5.7040606@wildblue.net><3780060A42DF44098B3CFE63B160FA7C@VAIO><222938F8-32B8-4888-A99E-DC1EE17D1FCE@comcast.net>
	<90E107E1654B49F49DB54A9C225FF42E@DBTech>
Message-ID: <A11A8FC084424422843A811206F7C2B7@GlenPC>

I bought a new HP computer in May with the Vista os. It's taking a while on 
the use. I was able to transfer most of my files and also bought home 
edition of office. I signed up for the carbonite.com program that saves 
everything
glen offsite with total back up. That is a well invested $54.00 a year.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: "'Wester Potter'" <wester6935 at comcast.net>; <jimwebb at nutsracing.com>
Cc: "'List Land Speed'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR VERY NON LSR -- Windows 7


> Wes;
>
> When I bought this computer I did not specify much memory-- only 512K RAM.
> Over time this system has gotten slower and slower-- to the point of
> exasperation. After cleaning out a host of temporary files and defragging 
> my
> hard drive it was only slightly better. On a whim I ordered 2G of RAM and
> when I replaced the 512K with 2G it was back up to speed. What a 
> difference!
>
> Wow-- 1T RAM-- that's really something!
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wester Potter
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:37 PM
> To: jimwebb at nutsracing.com
> Cc: List Land Speed
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR VERY NON LSR -- Windows 7
>
> I love my iMac!
>
> The only problem I have with my iMac is of my own doing.  I didn't buy
> all
> the operating memory I should have because I don't have the resources
> to pay another $600 to get me what I now would like to have.
>
> I should have listened to my son in law who built his own PC computer
> with a terrabyte of memory.  That's what you learn with a PhD in
> Information
> Systems.
>
> He hasn't touched Windows 7 as yet but is hoping it will be the
> operating
> system on his new computer at the university where he teaches when he
> goes back to classes this fall.  He is in a situation where he can play
> around with a new operating system and has the technical knowledge
> to solve problems he may find.
>
> Wes
>
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Jim Webb wrote:
>
>> I have yet to try Windows 7, but prolly will soon. All day, every
>> day I use
>> three computers at work. One XP, one Vista and one Mac. I can find
>> faults
>> with each, but for overall stability and ease of use, the Mac is
>> pretty darn
>> good. The XP machine is also very stable and I often don't reboot it
>> for
>> weeks or months. Vista locks up once a day, every day. From what
>> I've seen
>> of 7, it looks more Mac-like, but the migration path from XP is non-
>> existent
>> and if it is as stable as Vista, I'll probably pass. Most reports,
>> though
>> give it pretty good marks.
>>
>> Jim Webb
>> Chock Full o' Nuts
>> A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
> _______________________________________________
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From Turborick at Turborick.com  Tue Aug 25 18:32:57 2009
From: Turborick at Turborick.com (Rick Yacoucci)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:32:57 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR  VERY NON LSR    --      Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <222938F8-32B8-4888-A99E-DC1EE17D1FCE@comcast.net>
References: <4A9432B5.7040606@wildblue.net>
	<3780060A42DF44098B3CFE63B160FA7C@VAIO>
	<222938F8-32B8-4888-A99E-DC1EE17D1FCE@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <02bb01ca25e4$c2e18050$48a480f0$@com>

Wow! TB of ram, now I would like to see that! 
Currently 8gb sticks are the largest available so he would need 125 sticks
to get 1 TB and they cost about $1000.00 each
I have never seen a motherboard that can hold 125 sticks of Ram. Then there
is the problem with an OS that supports that much ram
Vista 64 supports 128GB, Windows 7 in the 64 bit version will support 192GB.

Wes I think your son in law meant 1TB hard drive

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wester Potter
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:37 PM
To: jimwebb at nutsracing.com
Cc: List Land Speed
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR VERY NON LSR -- Windows 7

I love my iMac!

The only problem I have with my iMac is of my own doing.  I didn't buy  
all
the operating memory I should have because I don't have the resources
to pay another $600 to get me what I now would like to have.

I should have listened to my son in law who built his own PC computer
with a terrabyte of memory.  That's what you learn with a PhD in  
Information
Systems.

He hasn't touched Windows 7 as yet but is hoping it will be the  
operating
system on his new computer at the university where he teaches when he
goes back to classes this fall.  He is in a situation where he can play
around with a new operating system and has the technical knowledge
to solve problems he may find.

Wes

On Aug 25, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Jim Webb wrote:

> I have yet to try Windows 7, but prolly will soon. All day, every  
> day I use
> three computers at work. One XP, one Vista and one Mac. I can find  
> faults
> with each, but for overall stability and ease of use, the Mac is  
> pretty darn
> good. The XP machine is also very stable and I often don't reboot it  
> for
> weeks or months. Vista locks up once a day, every day. From what  
> I've seen
> of 7, it looks more Mac-like, but the migration path from XP is non- 
> existent
> and if it is as stable as Vista, I'll probably pass. Most reports,  
> though
> give it pretty good marks.
>
> Jim Webb
> Chock Full o' Nuts
> A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> Land-speed mailing list
>
> You are subscribed as wester6935 at comcast.net
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
Land-speed mailing list

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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Tue Aug 25 18:41:50 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:41:50 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR  VERY NON LSR    --      Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <A11A8FC084424422843A811206F7C2B7@GlenPC>
References: <4A9432B5.7040606@wildblue.net><3780060A42DF44098B3CFE63B160FA7C@VAIO><222938F8-32B8-4888-A99E-DC1EE17D1FCE@comcast.net><90E107E1654B49F49DB54A9C225FF42E@DBTech>
	<A11A8FC084424422843A811206F7C2B7@GlenPC>
Message-ID: <07EC61D2B2F44D6E99F64B964AB9F21C@DaveSatellite>

You realize every personal thing you have ever said done or financial info 
you saved is now in the public domain for any and all government agency to 
read and cross check right? When the day comes that I will sell my privacy 
for 50 bucks I quit.. Not meant as a rant but a wake up call.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>
To: <neil at dbelltech.com>; "'Wester Potter'" <wester6935 at comcast.net>; 
<jimwebb at nutsracing.com>
Cc: "'List Land Speed'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR VERY NON LSR -- Windows 7


>I bought a new HP computer in May with the Vista os. It's taking a while on 
>the use. I was able to transfer most of my files and also bought home 
>edition of office. I signed up for the carbonite.com program that saves 
>everything
> glen offsite with total back up. That is a well invested $54.00 a year.

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Tue Aug 25 18:59:51 2009
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:59:51 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR  VERY NON LSR    --      Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <02bb01ca25e4$c2e18050$48a480f0$@com>
References: <4A9432B5.7040606@wildblue.net><3780060A42DF44098B3CFE63B160FA7C@VAIO><222938F8-32B8-4888-A99E-DC1EE17D1FCE@comcast.net>
	<02bb01ca25e4$c2e18050$48a480f0$@com>
Message-ID: <FC9898E5835B4C1BA67F210D3EC06075@VAIO>

Rat on, Rick! 2-4GB RAM is plenty enough for any normal user. Unless they're
editing & streaming big-time video!

Jim Webb
Chock Full o' Nuts
A/PP B/PP C/PP D/PP ?/FL
 

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Yacoucci
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:33 PM
Cc: 'List Land Speed'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR VERY NON LSR -- Windows 7

Wow! TB of ram, now I would like to see that! 
Currently 8gb sticks are the largest available so he would need 125 sticks
to get 1 TB and they cost about $1000.00 each
I have never seen a motherboard that can hold 125 sticks of Ram. Then there
is the problem with an OS that supports that much ram
Vista 64 supports 128GB, Windows 7 in the 64 bit version will support 192GB.

Wes I think your son in law meant 1TB hard drive

Rick

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Aug 26 14:52:11 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:52:11 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane
References: <AD9587C8-F9A9-4EF7-9351-BF327D288FE3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D9122CED-C12D-4393-BB33-8F1783AA3F55@comcast.net>

Hope you can open this link.  This is our friend James May in a U-2 at  
70,000 feet.

Wes


>>
>>        Over 70?  "Just Take A Pain Killer"   "Barack Obama"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- "
>> http://videos.komando.com/2009/08/15/to-the-edge-of-space/
>> This took my breath away, I could see my nephew  doing this
>>
>>> Breathtaking!!!!

From neil at dbelltech.com  Wed Aug 26 15:16:32 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:16:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane
In-Reply-To: <D9122CED-C12D-4393-BB33-8F1783AA3F55@comcast.net>
References: <AD9587C8-F9A9-4EF7-9351-BF327D288FE3@comcast.net>
	<D9122CED-C12D-4393-BB33-8F1783AA3F55@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E60AAF26425F4FBD9D0D5F1043B8DA69@DBTech>

That was a great video-- thanks, Wes!

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:52 PM
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Hope you can open this link.  This is our friend James May in a U-2 at  
70,000 feet.

Wes

From benn at sonic.net  Wed Aug 26 15:28:29 2009
From: benn at sonic.net (Benn)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:28:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane
References: <AD9587C8-F9A9-4EF7-9351-BF327D288FE3@comcast.net>
	<D9122CED-C12D-4393-BB33-8F1783AA3F55@comcast.net>
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Oh, MAN!  A once in a million-lifetimes experience...
Where's the queue?
Benn

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Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane


> Hope you can open this link.  This is our friend James May in a U-2 at  
> 70,000 feet.
> 
> Wes
> 
> 
>>>
>>>        Over 70?  "Just Take A Pain Killer"   "Barack Obama"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- "
>>> http://videos.komando.com/2009/08/15/to-the-edge-of-space/
>>> This took my breath away, I could see my nephew  doing this
>>>
>>>> Breathtaking!!!!
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From dmirror3 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 15:31:44 2009
From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:31:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane
In-Reply-To: <D9122CED-C12D-4393-BB33-8F1783AA3F55@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <588665.20751.qm@web58003.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Very cool, yet another amazing  experience for the staff of the Top Gear crew.
I think May was the best person to experience and describe the adventure.
Clarkson would have been whining about the U-2's lack of traction control (and
everything else)
Thanks for sharing,


Dale Krumheuer
Cleveland OH
* Information isn't wisdom. Information isn't learning. If information were
learning, you could be educated by memorizing the world almanac. If you did
that, you wouldn't be educated. You'd be weird ~ David McCullough

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From: Wester Potter <wester6935 at comcast.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane
To: "LAND SPEED LIST" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 4:52 PM

Hope you can open this link.  This is our friend James May in a U-2 at 
70,000 feet.

Wes


>>
>>        Over 70?  "Just Take A Pain Killer"   "Barack Obama"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- "
>> http://videos.komando.com/2009/08/15/to-the-edge-of-space/
>> This took my breath away, I could see my nephew  doing this
>>
>>> Breathtaking!!!!
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From saltfevr at q.com  Wed Aug 26 20:20:40 2009
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:20:40 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane
In-Reply-To: <D9122CED-C12D-4393-BB33-8F1783AA3F55@comcast.net>
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Wes;



Thanks so much! Wow, what a show. Kinda' makes one reflect,as James found
out.

Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah




> From: wester6935 at comcast.net
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:52:11 -0600
> Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane
>
> Hope you can open this link. This is our friend James May in a U-2 at
> 70,000 feet.
>
> Wes
>
>
> >>
> >> Over 70? "Just Take A Pain Killer" "Barack Obama"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- "
> >> http://videos.komando.com/2009/08/15/to-the-edge-of-space/
> >> This took my breath away, I could see my nephew doing this
> >>
> >>> Breathtaking!!!!
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From ifixmgs at cox.net  Wed Aug 26 20:59:18 2009
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:59:18 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane
In-Reply-To: <3468269DE07D48EB96AADC955FC2A385@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <20090826225918.X9JM0.105845.imail@eastrmwml28>

In late 1968 I got "my"   E-Ticket ride from NAS  Pensacola to  DC in the back seat of a nearly new Navy  F-4J .  I got the full monte:  unrestricted climb,   a really fast nape of the earth run across Eglin AFB,  a  Mach 1 blast over the Gulf, an inflight refuel  and a blown tire on touchdown at  Andrews AFB.   But compared to seeing the curvature of the earth below, and an inky black sky above  from the bubble of a U2 gliding along at  the edge of space, mine was a walk in the park.    
Mark C 
 
---- Benn <benn at sonic.net> wrote: 
> Oh, MAN!  A once in a million-lifetimes experience...
> Where's the queue?
> Benn
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>
> To: "LAND SPEED LIST" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:52 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane
> 
> 
> > Hope you can open this link.  This is our friend James May in a U-2 at  
> > 70,000 feet.
> > 
> > Wes
> > 
> > 
> >>>
> >>>        Over 70?  "Just Take A Pain Killer"   "Barack Obama"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- "
> >>> http://videos.komando.com/2009/08/15/to-the-edge-of-space/
> >>> This took my breath away, I could see my nephew  doing this
> >>>
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Wed Aug 26 22:30:31 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:30:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane
In-Reply-To: <D9122CED-C12D-4393-BB33-8F1783AA3F55@comcast.net>
References: <AD9587C8-F9A9-4EF7-9351-BF327D288FE3@comcast.net>
	<D9122CED-C12D-4393-BB33-8F1783AA3F55@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4A960BE7.8040109@wildblue.net>

Thanks Wes.

I was in the USAF in 1957-1960 in Germany. On our base was the First Air
Weather Squadron. We didn't know what it was, but knew it had to be a spy
plane for a number of reasons.

The engine had a very strange sound, it sounded like someone was feeding
1/8 inch round bar stock into the compressor at about 10 MPH. My guess is
the noise came from the compressor blades, caused by their aggressive pitch.
It would roll about 50 yards and the outriggers would fall off, then it 
would
ease up to about 75 ft, open the throttle, accelerate for 5,000 feet and 
then
pull up into a 70 or 80 degree climb till out of sight.

They were hard to land because they did not want to stop flying. We 
paced one
(and caught hell for it) while it was landing. Touch down at 30 MPH on the
Duce and a half spedo.  We would go for days or weeks with no U-2 and then
one would appear. With those super floppy wings they must have been very
interesting to fly. Of course, the ones I saw were all single seat.

Thanks again Wes, you sure brought back some interesting old memory's,

Bryan


Wester Potter wrote:
> Hope you can open this link.  This is our friend James May in a U-2 at  
> 70,000 feet.
>
> Wes

From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Thu Aug 27 06:22:11 2009
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:22:11 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
Message-ID: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W>

British team breaks oldest land speed record

Edward's Air Force Base, California: Tuesday August 25th:
 at 8.19am (California time) Charles Burnett III successfully broke the land 
speed record for a steam powered car - which has stood for more than 100 
years - achieving an average speed of 139.843mph on two runs over a measured 
mile.
Driver Charles Burnett III piloted the car for both runs reaching a peak 
speed of 136.103mph on the first run and 151.085mph on the second. The new 
international record, which is subject to official confirmation by the FIA, 
breaks the previous official FIA record of 127mph set in 1906 by American, 
Fred Marriott, driving a Stanley steamer at Daytona Beach.


http://www.steamcar.co.uk/

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090826/video/vuk-uk-team-breaks-steam-car-record-49bfa63.html 

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 27 06:25:27 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:25:27 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] New book about names we know.
References: <11361438.4625521251371953922.JavaMail.em-build@na-mm2-relay.amazon.com>
Message-ID: <8EC62BF3-2A24-4A10-9362-40E8B820C05A@comcast.net>

This could be an interesting read.

Wes


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From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Thu Aug 27 06:47:42 2009
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:47:42 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane
References: <AD9587C8-F9A9-4EF7-9351-BF327D288FE3@comcast.net>
	<D9122CED-C12D-4393-BB33-8F1783AA3F55@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <18C30F4E0443420998E580CB17574F99@531W>

Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Ride in a U-2 spy plane

> Hope you can open this link.  This is our friend James May in a U-2 at
> 70,000 feet.
>
> Wes


 Thanks Wes, I would have expected this video from the Skunk Works list, not 
the LSR
list, Enjoyed it.   Saw my first U-2 in the late 50's in Hawaii, had no Idea 
what had seen until
powers made the news in 1960.

 posted the video link to the Skunk Works list for them to enjoy as well.. 

From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Thu Aug 27 07:04:39 2009
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:04:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys Finally Did It!
Message-ID: <695756268.2373181251378279535.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The steam boys finally did it! 





http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17653-steampowered-car-breaks-centuryold-speed-record.html > 



JGMagoo 

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Thu Aug 27 07:06:32 2009
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:06:32 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys Finally Did It!
In-Reply-To: <695756268.2373181251378279535.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D055C2345@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>

Can we expect an effort from the Team Stanley?



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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:05 AM
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The steam boys finally did it!





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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Thu Aug 27 08:57:32 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:57:32 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W>
Message-ID: <4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>

Is that fast? Sorry, I guess I am not too impressed..In 1938, the British
steam LINER Class A4 4468 MallardI, with six coaches plus a dynamometer car
in tow, ran 126 MPH.

A much different car than the present streamliner, the Stanley Steamer, set
record at 127.659 MPH in 1906. I would think that the technology of today
would send them much faster.

Tom

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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Aug 27 09:04:49 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:04:49 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W>
	<4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <27EE4015FA0E462BB39526D3EFC3C591@edc2750afa5a84>

Jack Costella:  Got your ears on?
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Bryant" <saltracer at awwwsome.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph


> Is that fast? Sorry, I guess I am not too impressed..In 1938, the British
> steam LINER Class A4 4468 MallardI, with six coaches plus a dynamometer 
> car
> in tow, ran 126 MPH.
> A much different car than the present streamliner, the Stanley Steamer, 
> set
> record at 127.659 MPH in 1906. I would think that the technology of today
> would send them much faster.
> Tom 

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Aug 27 09:31:35 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:31:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <27EE4015FA0E462BB39526D3EFC3C591@edc2750afa5a84>
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W>
	<4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
	<27EE4015FA0E462BB39526D3EFC3C591@edc2750afa5a84>
Message-ID: <20090827153120.7F2CF18788B@autox.team.net>

I don't know if Jack does, but I have my ears on.....I agree, 
Tom.....anyone want to get the record back and put it up a bunch? I 
have some ideas and would provide our "Rose" as the initial test 
vehicle. I would think that around $50k should do it...........how 
fast is a "bunch"? 200, 250? Ideas?

I bet that a power train could be designed and built this winter for 
the record next season. The engine exists.....

Skip




At 08:04 AM 8/27/2009, 23weldon wrote:
>Jack Costella:  Got your ears on?
>Ed Weldon
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Bryant" <saltracer at awwwsome.com>
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph
>
>
>>Is that fast? Sorry, I guess I am not too impressed..In 1938, the British
>>steam LINER Class A4 4468 MallardI, with six coaches plus a dynamometer car
>>in tow, ran 126 MPH.
>>A much different car than the present streamliner, the Stanley Steamer, set
>>record at 127.659 MPH in 1906. I would think that the technology of today
>>would send them much faster.
>>Tom

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 27 11:01:52 2009
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] New book about names we know.
In-Reply-To: <8EC62BF3-2A24-4A10-9362-40E8B820C05A@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <358782.85821.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I contributed and edited a section about my father, the late harry L Warner,
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From: Wester Potter <wester6935 at comcast.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] New book about names we know.
To: "LAND SPEED LIST" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 5:25 AM


This could be an interesting read.

Wes


>
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>
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> 1950s by The Editors of Rod & Custom Magazine, you might like to
> know that Merchants of Speed: The Men Who Built America?s
> Performance Industry will be released on October 1, 2009.  You can
> pre-order yours at a savings of $13.60 by following the link below.
>
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> Paul D. Smith
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> Price:    $26.40
> You Save:    $13.60 (34%)
> Release Date: October 1, 2009
>
>
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> Hot rodding has always been about taking something that Detroit
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> parts that made it all possible.  This book takes an appreciative
> look back at the early hot rodders who worked out of their garages,
> basements, and backyards, and the speed equipment they developed.
>
> In this mammoth volume, Paul Smith examines the stories behind two
> dozen speed equipment manufacturers and the go-fast goodies they
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Thu Aug 27 11:19:18 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:19:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W>
	<4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <4A96C016.6020701@wildblue.net>

I had the same thoughts Tom. The Stanley must have had a CD of almost
2.00 and a frontal area of 30 sq ft. Put in something like the Vesco's dad's
liner and..... 200+. in my opinion.

Strange, when I add 151 + 136 and divide by 2, I get an average of 143.5,
not 138.843 ?????
Maybe my pencil isn't working...



Bryan



Tom Bryant wrote:
> Is that fast? Sorry, I guess I am not too impressed..In 1938, the British
> steam LINER Class A4 4468 MallardI, with six coaches plus a dynamometer car
> in tow, ran 126 MPH.
>
> A much different car than the present streamliner, the Stanley Steamer, set
> record at 127.659 MPH in 1906. I would think that the technology of today
> would send them much faster.
>
> To

From rbuck at xmission.com  Thu Aug 27 11:37:43 2009
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:37:43 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <4A96C016.6020701@wildblue.net>
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W>
	<4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1> <4A96C016.6020701@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <E1MgitN-00068t-FK@in01.mta.xmission.com>

At 11:19 AM 8/27/2009, Bryan Savage wrote:
>I had the same thoughts Tom. The Stanley must have had a CD of almost
>2.00 and a frontal area of 30 sq ft. Put in something like the Vesco's dad's
>liner and..... 200+. in my opinion.
>
>Strange, when I add 151 + 136 and divide by 2, I get an average of 143.5,
>not 138.843 ?????
>Maybe my pencil isn't working...


Did you try re-booting it?  :)

RtR

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 27 11:57:07 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:57:07 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <E1MgitN-00068t-FK@in01.mta.xmission.com>
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W>
	<4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1> <4A96C016.6020701@wildblue.net>
	<E1MgitN-00068t-FK@in01.mta.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <624E1723-1E26-4E6E-8B4D-D1530A4EB2BE@comcast.net>

It may be like the Brit monetary system or the way they weigh things.

Pounds = $ ?  Stones = ???  Petrol, boot,  bonnet, tyres, maybe you  
have to
be closer to the roots our ancestors revolted against.

Wes

On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Ray Buck wrote:

> At 11:19 AM 8/27/2009, Bryan Savage wrote:
>> I had the same thoughts Tom. The Stanley must have had a CD of almost
>> 2.00 and a frontal area of 30 sq ft. Put in something like the  
>> Vesco's dad's
>> liner and..... 200+. in my opinion.
>>
>> Strange, when I add 151 + 136 and divide by 2, I get an average of  
>> 143.5,
>> not 138.843 ?????
>> Maybe my pencil isn't working...
>
>
> Did you try re-booting it?  :)
>
> RtR
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Thu Aug 27 11:58:02 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:58:02 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <E1MgitN-00068t-FK@in01.mta.xmission.com>
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W><4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
	<4A96C016.6020701@wildblue.net>
	<E1MgitN-00068t-FK@in01.mta.xmission.com>
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Wrong numbers. Look up the steam car on landracing.com for the speeds they 
ran to get the Avg.

Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
To: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>; "Tom Bryant" 
<saltracer at awwwsome.com>; "List Land Speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph


> At 11:19 AM 8/27/2009, Bryan Savage wrote:
>>I had the same thoughts Tom. The Stanley must have had a CD of almost
>>2.00 and a frontal area of 30 sq ft. Put in something like the Vesco's 
>>dad's
>>liner and..... 200+. in my opinion.
>>
>>Strange, when I add 151 + 136 and divide by 2, I get an average of 143.5,
>>not 138.843 ?????
>>Maybe my pencil isn't working...
>
>
> Did you try re-booting it?  :)
>
> RtR
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 27 12:04:29 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:04:29 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <A0FB9E0ADC3042B1B5B6963E4C3F18F3@GlenPC>
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W><4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
	<4A96C016.6020701@wildblue.net>
	<E1MgitN-00068t-FK@in01.mta.xmission.com>
	<A0FB9E0ADC3042B1B5B6963E4C3F18F3@GlenPC>
Message-ID: <7F3F1551-E373-43B0-95A8-34BDA29FDB7F@comcast.net>

All I know is what I read in the newspapers ... or on the internet  
links.

Wes

On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:58 AM, <speedtimer at beyondbb.com> wrote:

> Wrong numbers. Look up the steam car on landracing.com for the  
> speeds they ran to get the Avg.
>
> Glen
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
> To: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>; "Tom Bryant" <saltracer at awwwsome.com 
> >; "List Land Speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph
>
>
>> At 11:19 AM 8/27/2009, Bryan Savage wrote:
>>> I had the same thoughts Tom. The Stanley must have had a CD of  
>>> almost
>>> 2.00 and a frontal area of 30 sq ft. Put in something like the  
>>> Vesco's dad's
>>> liner and..... 200+. in my opinion.
>>>
>>> Strange, when I add 151 + 136 and divide by 2, I get an average of  
>>> 143.5,
>>> not 138.843 ?????
>>> Maybe my pencil isn't working...
>>
>>
>> Did you try re-booting it?  :)
>>
>> RtR
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Thu Aug 27 12:23:21 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (speedtimer at beyondbb.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:23:21 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <4A96C016.6020701@wildblue.net>
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W><4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
	<4A96C016.6020701@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <B54E7281599F4BCD8E50A4627F611D60@GlenPC>

Kilo 143 avg. Mile 148. avg. The FIA uses the total of  of the ET divided by 
2 and scta uses the avg. of the speed MPH for the total mph. There is a 
slight difference in the results.
As I don't have the actual ET to do the math we will have to wait for the 
official results. they went down at 144 and returned at 151. Don Wells was 
driving.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
To: "Tom Bryant" <saltracer at awwwsome.com>; "List Land Speed" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph


>I had the same thoughts Tom. The Stanley must have had a CD of almost
> 2.00 and a frontal area of 30 sq ft. Put in something like the Vesco's 
> dad's
> liner and..... 200+. in my opinion.
>
> Strange, when I add 151 + 136 and divide by 2, I get an average of 143.5,
> not 138.843 ?????
> Maybe my pencil isn't working...
>
>
>
> Bryan
>
>
>
> Tom Bryant wrote:
>> Is that fast? Sorry, I guess I am not too impressed..In 1938, the British
>> steam LINER Class A4 4468 MallardI, with six coaches plus a dynamometer 
>> car
>> in tow, ran 126 MPH.
>>
>> A much different car than the present streamliner, the Stanley Steamer, 
>> set
>> record at 127.659 MPH in 1906. I would think that the technology of today
>> would send them much faster.
>>
>> To
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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 27 13:21:47 2009
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug .............)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:21:47 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W>
	<4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <SNT108-W4186073B55EE1DD4CF37B7D9F60@phx.gbl>

I stand with Tom...     'we'  expect    "much faster"    ;-)


c heers, 'Dirt Track Doug '
    2243.3
or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt Flats


============================================================

> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:57:32 -0700
> From: saltracer at awwwsome.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net; jpszalay01 at insightbb.com
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
>
> Is that fast? Sorry, I guess I am not too impressed..In 1938, the British
> steam LINER Class A4 4468 Mallard I, with six coaches plus a dynamometer
car
> in tow, ran 126 MPH.
>
> A much different car than the present streamliner, the Stanley Steamer, set
> record at 127.659 MPH in 1906. I would think that the technology of today
> would send them much faster.
>
> Tom


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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 27 13:39:49 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:39:49 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <SNT108-W4186073B55EE1DD4CF37B7D9F60@phx.gbl>
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W>
	<4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1>
	<SNT108-W4186073B55EE1DD4CF37B7D9F60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EA1E45F5-3BB4-47FE-AAD9-F14E3BADF13A@comcast.net>

I'm certain the Brits did too.  Didn't I read the 200 mph figure  
somewhere?

Wes

On Aug 27, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Doug ............. wrote:

> I stand with Tom...     'we'  expect    "much faster"    ;-)
>
>
> c heers, 'Dirt Track Doug '
>    2243.3
> or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt Flats
>
>
> ============================================================
>
>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:57:32 -0700
>> From: saltracer at awwwsome.com
>> To: land-speed at autox.team.net; jpszalay01 at insightbb.com
>> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
>>
>> Is that fast? Sorry, I guess I am not too impressed..In 1938, the  
>> British
>> steam LINER Class A4 4468 Mallard I, with six coaches plus a  
>> dynamometer
> car
>> in tow, ran 126 MPH.
>>
>> A much different car than the present streamliner, the Stanley  
>> Steamer, set
>> record at 127.659 MPH in 1906. I would think that the technology of  
>> today
>> would send them much faster.
>>
>> Tom
>
>
> ===========================================================

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Thu Aug 27 13:41:02 2009
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:41:02 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
Message-ID: <75BC1799D2C64F5FBAB75EEA21878934@john>

Anybody remember Bill Lear's would be steam Indy car Vapordyne .

http://www.kruseinternational.com/images/pics/2000/AUBSPR00/820.jpg

From kturk at adelphia.net  Thu Aug 27 14:50:32 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:50:32 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
References: <75BC1799D2C64F5FBAB75EEA21878934@john>
Message-ID: <0D2757D6FB9E40FCBAB30B8A7E12704C@keithhrijwmm4p>

I don't mean to poke a stick in anyone's eye... but I've been following this 
effort for a While... to include back in England...  and honestly I'm 
suspecting you guys are taking this whole effort to lightly...

That having been said... I'd agree with the lack of huge gains in all the 
years... which just goes to show how little we truly have cared about 
alternative fuels...

K 

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Aug 27 15:10:58 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:10:58 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <0D2757D6FB9E40FCBAB30B8A7E12704C@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <75BC1799D2C64F5FBAB75EEA21878934@john>
	<0D2757D6FB9E40FCBAB30B8A7E12704C@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <20090827211048.3F7DF187883@autox.team.net>

Lightly?...maybe so but the results are somewhat less than 
stellar......so far. And the reported expenditure is immense.

I guess that nobody is interested in the steam record here........

Skip




At 01:50 PM 8/27/2009, Keith Turk wrote:
>I don't mean to poke a stick in anyone's eye... but I've been 
>following this effort for a While... to include back in 
>England...  and honestly I'm suspecting you guys are taking this 
>whole effort to lightly...
>
>That having been said... I'd agree with the lack of huge gains in 
>all the years... which just goes to show how little we truly have 
>cared about alternative fuels...
>
>K _______________________________________________

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Thu Aug 27 15:14:25 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:14:25 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <0D2757D6FB9E40FCBAB30B8A7E12704C@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <75BC1799D2C64F5FBAB75EEA21878934@john>
	<0D2757D6FB9E40FCBAB30B8A7E12704C@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <7822F53BD9B34229B732527D944B57BC@DaveSatellite>

There are way too many exchanges of energy to be serious about conservation. 
each ahs it's own level of effectiveness and all less than 1.00 the more you 
use the worse it gets. Pretty simple to be honest so the steam car way low 
on energy conservation.I would bet if this reached 50% it would be a reach..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
To: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>; "LandSpeed List" 
<Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph


>I don't mean to poke a stick in anyone's eye... but I've been following 
>this effort for a While... to include back in England...  and honestly I'm 
>suspecting you guys are taking this whole effort to lightly...
>
> That having been said... I'd agree with the lack of huge gains in all the 
> years... which just goes to show how little we truly have cared about 
> alternative fuels...
>
> K

From Turborick at Turborick.com  Thu Aug 27 15:22:57 2009
From: Turborick at Turborick.com (Rick Yacoucci)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:22:57 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <0D2757D6FB9E40FCBAB30B8A7E12704C@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <75BC1799D2C64F5FBAB75EEA21878934@john>
	<0D2757D6FB9E40FCBAB30B8A7E12704C@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <043a01ca275c$8d5ae7e0$a810b7a0$@com>

I think you hit the nail on the head Keith
Also goes show you how high the Stanley steamer guys raised the bar in 1906

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Keith Turk
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:51 PM
To: John Burk; LandSpeed List
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph

I don't mean to poke a stick in anyone's eye... but I've been following this

effort for a While... to include back in England...  and honestly I'm 
suspecting you guys are taking this whole effort to lightly...

That having been said... I'd agree with the lack of huge gains in all the 
years... which just goes to show how little we truly have cared about 
alternative fuels...

K 
_______________________________________________

From jolylance at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 27 15:28:34 2009
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (Joe & Lynne Lance)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:28:34 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W>
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W>
Message-ID: <72602E5A6AE24FBCB933DFB578A74252@josephb4d4bd9f>

What is that--about 200 MPH SLOWER than the Buckeye Boy college students
with their battery and fuel streamliners?

Lance

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Szalay
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:22 AM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph

British team breaks oldest land speed record

Edward's Air Force Base, California: Tuesday August 25th:
 at 8.19am (California time) Charles Burnett III successfully broke the land

speed record for a steam powered car - which has stood for more than 100 
years - achieving an average speed of 139.843mph on two runs over a measured

mile.
Driver Charles Burnett III piloted the car for both runs reaching a peak 
speed of 136.103mph on the first run and 151.085mph on the second. The new 
international record, which is subject to official confirmation by the FIA, 
breaks the previous official FIA record of 127mph set in 1906 by American, 
Fred Marriott, driving a Stanley steamer at Daytona Beach.


http://www.steamcar.co.uk/

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090826/video/vuk-uk-team-breaks-steam-car-recor
d-49bfa63.html 
_______________________________________________

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 27 15:34:04 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:34:04 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <72602E5A6AE24FBCB933DFB578A74252@josephb4d4bd9f>
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W>
	<72602E5A6AE24FBCB933DFB578A74252@josephb4d4bd9f>
Message-ID: <5D03DDEF-CD7C-48B5-A228-69D1128756D8@comcast.net>

I think we'll find that out by the 25th of September, after world of  
Speed and the Top Speed Shootout.

Wes

On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Joe & Lynne Lance wrote:

> What is that--about 200 MPH SLOWER than the Buckeye Boy college  
> students
> with their battery and fuel streamliners?
>
> Lance
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Szalay
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:22 AM
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph
>
> British team breaks oldest land speed record
>
> Edward's Air Force Base, California: Tuesday August 25th:
> at 8.19am (California time) Charles Burnett III successfully broke  
> the land
>
> speed record for a steam powered car - which has stood for more than  
> 100
> years - achieving an average speed of 139.843mph on two runs over a  
> measured
>
> mile.
> Driver Charles Burnett III piloted the car for both runs reaching a  
> peak
> speed of 136.103mph on the first run and 151.085mph on the second.  
> The new
> international record, which is subject to official confirmation by  
> the FIA,
> breaks the previous official FIA record of 127mph set in 1906 by  
> American,
> Fred Marriott, driving a Stanley steamer at Daytona Beach.
>
>
> http://www.steamcar.co.uk/
>
> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090826/video/vuk-uk-team-breaks-steam-car-recor
> d-49bfa63.html
> _______________________________________________

From advo at comcast.net  Thu Aug 27 15:43:19 2009
From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:43:19 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <5D03DDEF-CD7C-48B5-A228-69D1128756D8@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C6BC6827.44BA%advo@comcast.net>

Anyone heard of Jim Crank, who I found has gone  fast in a steam powered
salt-racer?  He was working for the state of California analyzing Lear's
efforts with a steam powered bus and a Monte Carlo.  Folk tales of 26 CHP
cruisers going 140-150 mph built by Lear were dispelled by this fellow in a
post on another web-list.
Greg

From jolylance at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 27 19:16:31 2009
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (Joe & Lynne Lance)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:16:31 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <0D2757D6FB9E40FCBAB30B8A7E12704C@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <75BC1799D2C64F5FBAB75EEA21878934@john>
	<0D2757D6FB9E40FCBAB30B8A7E12704C@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <21ADD5F9B89F4FD198F3639D47A53B9E@josephb4d4bd9f>

A steam engine is just another energy conversion device that can use a
variety of fuels like gas turbines, stirling cycles, thermoelectrics, etc.
So playing with a steam engine, by itself, doesn't help us find a good or
economically viable alternative fuel.

It looks like the Brit car uses an open cycle steam engine which doesn't
advance the technology in spite of the $ millions spent. The Stanley record
holder was an open cycle engine as were the Dobles, other steam cars, and
railroad steam locomotives (including the New York Central passenger
locomotives that regularly ran at 100 MPH in 1900).

 The trouble with the old open cycle steam engines was that they spewed out
a lot of oil with the exhausted steam and the new Brit steam engine most
likely emits more than just pure water vapor. And they use up a lot of water
per mile. When steam locomotives started running from the Mississippi to the
west coast they weren't limited by the coal or firewood they could carry but
by the availability of clean water sites along their rail routes. I don't
think a steam engine will be able to compete with IC engines unless it is a
closed cycle.

A closed cycle steam engine is a major technical challenge because the water
chemistry must be constantly monitored and adjusted to prevent corrosion.
This is a familiar problem for nuclear power plants where the peak steam
temperature is only about 600F (lower than coal fired plants). Bill Lear
spent a lot of money trying to meet this challenge to develop a closed cycle
steam engine for automotive applications in the 1960s. We followed his work
at the time because I was a patent holder of an artificial heart we were
trying to develop--it was fueled by a radioisotope heat source and used a
small closed cycle rotary steam engine to drive the heart ventricles.
Neither one of us was successful commercially, but it was fun while it
lasted.

Lance 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Keith Turk
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:51 PM
To: John Burk; LandSpeed List
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph

I don't mean to poke a stick in anyone's eye... but I've been following this

effort for a While... to include back in England...  and honestly I'm 
suspecting you guys are taking this whole effort to lightly...

That having been said... I'd agree with the lack of huge gains in all the 
years... which just goes to show how little we truly have cared about 
alternative fuels...

K 

From ed at vetteracing.com  Thu Aug 27 21:44:46 2009
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:44:46 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello????
Message-ID: <W31030594668291251431086@webmail42>

Am I back On???

Ed Van Scoy
#128 B/GT Corvette
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Aug 27 21:50:11 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:50:11 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello????
In-Reply-To: <W31030594668291251431086@webmail42>
References: <W31030594668291251431086@webmail42>
Message-ID: <20090828034958.AFC8F187872@autox.team.net>

Yep!

Skip



At 08:44 PM 8/27/2009, Ed Van Scoy wrote:
>Am I back On???
>
>Ed Van Scoy
>#128 B/GT Corvette
>SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder
>_______________________________________________

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Aug 27 21:59:21 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:59:21 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello????
In-Reply-To: <W31030594668291251431086@webmail42>
References: <W31030594668291251431086@webmail42>
Message-ID: <4A975619.5000309@mayfco.com>

I don't know, did you fall off?

mayf
Ed Van Scoy wrote:

>Am I back On???
>
>Ed Van Scoy
>#128 B/GT Corvette
>SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder
>_______________________________________________

From tatmatt at socal.rr.com  Thu Aug 27 22:20:53 2009
From: tatmatt at socal.rr.com (Matt Shuss)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:20:53 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W><4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1><4A96C016.6020701@wildblue.net>
	<B54E7281599F4BCD8E50A4627F611D60@GlenPC>
Message-ID: <00b501ca2796$ef2c5c80$6601a8c0@mattshuss>

Ok, so let me get this straight.

I run 200mph over the mile, which equals 18 seconds.
My back-up run is only 100mph, which equals 36 seconds.
My BNI average is 150mph.
My FIA average is 27 seconds which equals 133.333mph?

So the BNI is average speed.
The FIA is average time.

Is my math correct?
Is that right Glen?


Matt S.



> Kilo 143 avg. Mile 148. avg. The FIA uses the total of  of the ET divided 
> by
> 2 and scta uses the avg. of the speed MPH for the total mph. There is a
> slight difference in the results.
> As I don't have the actual ET to do the math we will have to wait for the
> official results. they went down at 144 and returned at 151. Don Wells was
> driving.
> Glen

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Aug 28 08:35:08 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:35:08 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
In-Reply-To: <00b501ca2796$ef2c5c80$6601a8c0@mattshuss>
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Jeeze, I hope not! You cannot average averages... mathematically 
incorrect.   

mayf
Matt Shuss wrote:

> Ok, so let me get this straight.
>
> I run 200mph over the mile, which equals 18 seconds.
> My back-up run is only 100mph, which equals 36 seconds.
> My BNI average is 150mph.
> My FIA average is 27 seconds which equals 133.333mph?
>
> So the BNI is average speed.
> The FIA is average time.
>
> Is my math correct?
> Is that right Glen?
>
>
> Matt S.
>
>
>
>> Kilo 143 avg. Mile 148. avg. The FIA uses the total of  of the ET 
>> divided by
>> 2 and scta uses the avg. of the speed MPH for the total mph. There is a
>> slight difference in the results.
>> As I don't have the actual ET to do the math we will have to wait for 
>> the
>> official results. they went down at 144 and returned at 151. Don 
>> Wells was
>> driving.
>> Glen
>
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From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Fri Aug 28 08:55:43 2009
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:55:43 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello????
References: <W31030594668291251431086@webmail42> <4A975619.5000309@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <002501ca27ef$a0f18410$6601a8c0@Rick>

Yeah, where you been Ed?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>
Cc: "Land-Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Hello????


>I don't know, did you fall off?
> 
> mayf
> Ed Van Scoy wrote:
> 
>>Am I back On???
>>
>>Ed Van Scoy
>>#128 B/GT Corvette
>>SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Fri Aug 28 09:25:35 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:25:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort  139.843mph
References: <CF5EC1735AA34555BCD55FF8B828FE1E@531W><4A969EDC.00001C.05260@D3DP98F1><4A96C016.6020701@wildblue.net><B54E7281599F4BCD8E50A4627F611D60@GlenPC><00b501ca2796$ef2c5c80$6601a8c0@mattshuss>
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So the BNI record is the average of two speeds. The FIA record is an elapsed 
time over a defined piece of real estate which then gets translated into mph 
(because that is the number most of the rest of us relate to).  Of course 
the FIA record is most correct because that's the "real" world record.
Hmmmmm......... perfect logic from the folks who a couple of centuries back 
decided the world needed a measurement system based on the distance from the 
equator to the North Pole.
Personally I'm more interested in speed records than elapsed time records 
(with all due respect to our friends in motorsports communities to whom ET 
is pretty important)
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph


> Jeeze, I hope not! You cannot average averages... mathematically 
> incorrect.

From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri Aug 28 11:25:46 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:25:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello????
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Q5 R9 here, Ed.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:45 PM
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Am I back On???

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From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Fri Aug 28 12:17:30 2009
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:17:30 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello????
References: <W31030594668291251431086@webmail42>
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Looks like you are to me...

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:44 PM
To: "Land-Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello????

> Am I back On???
> 
> Ed Van Scoy
> #128 B/GT Corvette
> SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Fri Aug 28 14:45:41 2009
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:45:41 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello????
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On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:25 PM, <neil at dbelltech.com> wrote:

> Q5 R9 here, Ed.
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ



R S T  5 9 9 in Billings, Montana.

Jon and Nancy, heading for Bonneville.

From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri Aug 28 16:04:50 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:04:50 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello????
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RRR....73

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Wennerberg [mailto:jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org] 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:46 PM
To: neil at dbelltech.com
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Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Hello????


On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:25 PM, <neil at dbelltech.com> wrote:

> Q5 R9 here, Ed.
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ



R S T  5 9 9 in Billings, Montana.

Jon and Nancy, heading for Bonneville.

From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Sat Aug 29 23:34:45 2009
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:34:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
Message-ID: <752667259.3413611251610485802.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

One thing that would be interesting to know would be the difference in rolling
resistance from the sands of Daytona in 1906 to Edwards Air Force Base in
2009.



Did the Steam Boys run onB some kind of pavement,B or dirt, at Edwards?B 



They say that the sand at Daytona was a lot harder 'back in the day' than it
is now. I wonder how that compares to what theB  British Steam Boys ran
on.....and also how does it compare to the salt at Bonneville.



(The only sand I ever ran on was on a beach in California with my
bicycle......and it was darnB tough going!!)



Would this give more or less credit to Team Stanley?



JG

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sun Aug 30 05:14:08 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:14:08 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
In-Reply-To: <752667259.3413611251610485802.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <752667259.3413611251610485802.JavaMail.root@sz0086a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0179ACFA-64A3-4967-929B-EA740E92A5B9@comcast.net>

I've wondered about what Ormond Beach, Florida (today's Daytona) was  
like.
They ran close to the water on a course that was damp sand.  It gave  
enough
support that they ran multiple lap stock car races on it.  One  
direction on the
beach and then up onto the asphalt to complete a lap.  There's a Jeff  
Decker
life sized bronze of Joe Petralli on a streamlined 1937 Harley at   
that transition
from beach to pavement today.  That was a 147 MPH record run that stood
until Rollie Free made his iconic 150.313 average Bonneville run in  
1948.

It is my understanding that they are running on a paved runway at  
Edwards
today.  Certainly a better surface for rolling resistance than the  
Bonneville salt
or the playa at ElMirage.  Mike Cook is there and could give a  
definitive answer.

Ormond/Daytona was a better course than the Pendine Sands of Wales.  If
not the racers would have stayed in the British Isles for top speed  
record
attempts.  Perhaps the Florida sand was just a longer course too.  When
Campbell made the first 300 + MPH pass it was at Bonneville and that was
a faster surface than that day's Daytona.

Ab Jenkins (and I assume the other endurance racers of the 1930's) when
the course would break up had the Utah State Road Commission crew
put rock fill into those areas between his 10 or 12.5 mile laps.   
Can't you see
the BLM  reaction to that today?  He also just extended the course  
outward,
away from the tightest line to avoid the soft spots.

Malcolm should be able to give an answer about the differences.   
Whatever
the course, the frontal area on the Stanley race car was pretty large  
and
they were running on taller, narrower tires.

I have a funny mental image just keeps coming back:  a Jack Costella,
steam powered streamliner towing a water tank trailer at Bonneville.
Could that be the configuration for a future American steam powered  
record
attempt?  Do the rules specify how many wheels?

Wes

On Aug 29, 2009, at 11:34 PM, jgmagoo at comcast.net wrote:

> One thing that would be interesting to know would be the difference  
> in rolling
> resistance from the sands of Daytona in 1906 to Edwards Air Force  
> Base in
> 2009.
>
>
>
> Did the Steam Boys run onB some kind of pavement,B or dirt, at  
> Edwards?B
>
>
>
> They say that the sand at Daytona was a lot harder 'back in the day'  
> than it
> is now. I wonder how that compares to what theB  British Steam Boys  
> ran
> on.....and also how does it compare to the salt at Bonneville.
>
>
>
> (The only sand I ever ran on was on a beach in California with my
> bicycle......and it was darnB tough going!!)
>
>
>
> Would this give more or less credit to Team Stanley?
>
>
>
> JG
> _______________________________________________
I've wondered about the difference

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 30 06:19:01 2009
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:19:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
In-Reply-To: <0179ACFA-64A3-4967-929B-EA740E92A5B9@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <550485.71265.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

This brings to mind memories of Rick at El Mirage towing the tag engine with
NT2to make it into "G". Not a pretty memory. But it wasn't the five wheels
that caused the dissent. That was OK.

--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Wester Potter <wester6935 at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Wester Potter <wester6935 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
To: jgmagoo at comcast.net
Cc: "land-speed-digest" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 4:14 AM


It is my understanding that they are running on a paved runway at Edwards
today.  Certainly a better surface for rolling resistance than the Bonneville
salt
or the playa at ElMirage.  Mike Cook is there
I have a funny mental image just keeps coming back:  a Jack Costella,
steam powered streamliner towing a water tank trailer at Bonneville.
Could that be the configuration for a future American steam powered record
attempt?  Do the rules specify how many wheels?

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sun Aug 30 08:41:15 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (23weldon)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:41:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
References: <550485.71265.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AEA05C9DB5AA4C92A1431769819AE231@edc2750afa5a84>

Long as we're into steam fantasy here's one to mull over....... Hydrogen and 
oxygen combine together to create water and heat.  If this goes on in a 
closed vessel the result is steam at some pressure.  This can all be 
calculated (I haven't done that yet; need to dig out my old thermodynamics 
book).  The steam can then be throttled into either a steam turbine or a 
conventional steam engine with pistons and cylinders or some other kind of 
positive displacement engine.
To me the essential question beyond the obvious technical issues is just 
exactly what does the FIA define as a steam powered vehicle ...... or do 
they define it at all?
I notice the SCTA rule book lists the record; but offers little further 
definition of what constitutes a stem powered streamliner.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gmr at yahoo.com>
To: <jgmagoo at comcast.net>; "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>
Cc: "land-speed-digest" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys


> This brings to mind memories of Rick at El Mirage towing the tag engine 
> with
> NT2to make it into "G". Not a pretty memory. But it wasn't the five wheels
> that caused the dissent. That was OK.
> --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Wester Potter <wester6935 at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Wester Potter <wester6935 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
> To: jgmagoo at comcast.net
> Cc: "land-speed-digest" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 4:14 AM
> It is my understanding that they are running on a paved runway at Edwards
> today.  Certainly a better surface for rolling resistance than the 
> Bonneville
> salt
> or the playa at ElMirage.  Mike Cook is there
> I have a funny mental image just keeps coming back:  a Jack Costella,
> steam powered streamliner towing a water tank trailer at Bonneville.
> Could that be the configuration for a future American steam powered record
> attempt?  Do the rules specify how many wheels?

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sun Aug 30 09:48:15 2009
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 8:48:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] TOOL for Ford 9" axel brg removal
Message-ID: <20090830114815.G3TT2.159492.imail@fed1rmwml39>

anyone have suggestions for a source for the special tool for use with the press for this job?

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Sun Aug 30 10:00:14 2009
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:00:14 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
Message-ID: <bf1.5cb70783.37cbfc0e@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/30/2009 1:36:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
jgmagoo at comcast.net writes:

One  thing that would be interesting to know would be the difference in  
rolling
resistance from the sands of Daytona in 1906 to Edwards Air Force  Base in
2009.


Considering the accuracy of modern measuring technology, wouldn't it be  
great if all the LSR groups could agree on , for lack of a better term,  
handicaps , to assign to vehicle speeds to either add/subtract mph due to  
surface, wind direction, even humidity, barometer, altitude, temperature, and  any 
other possible relevant input ? 
In that situation, only the distances would be left for discussion, and two 
 way averages, and one hour turnaround, and................. Politics. 
Bob W ........Dreamer

From dlodom at charter.net  Sun Aug 30 10:12:35 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:12:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] TOOL for Ford 9" axel brg removal
References: <20090830114815.G3TT2.159492.imail@fed1rmwml39>
Message-ID: <06a501ca298c$b093d8c0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Sparky, They make a tool called "little giant" that does the job. Myself, I 
cut the outer race off with a hand grinder then use a grinder to narrow the 
inner race, then use a air hammer with a sharp chisel and off it comes. A 
regulator bearing puller in the press works also but I like to cut the outer 
race off first so the bearings don't come flying if it breaks.

Doug Odom in big ditch

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sparky.2211 at cox.net>
To: "AA list" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] TOOL for Ford 9" axel brg removal


> anyone have suggestions for a source for the special tool for use with the 
> press for this job?
> _______________________________________________

From v4gmr at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 30 10:57:46 2009
From: v4gmr at yahoo.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:57:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
In-Reply-To: <bf1.5cb70783.37cbfc0e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <892864.81293.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

In my opinion--No-- That is one of the things that I like about LSR.. No "But
ifs". It is a pure, That's how fast it went and that's it. No handicaps. No
weight breaks. No break outs. none of "I had him in the corners but he pulled
me on the straight. Just plane "How fast did it go.?" I love it.

--- On Sun, 8/30/09, BWANA343 at aol.com <BWANA343 at aol.com> wrote:


From: BWANA343 at aol.com <BWANA343 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
To: jgmagoo at comcast.net, land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 9:00 AM


In

Considering the accuracy of modern measuring technology, wouldn't it be 
great if all the LSR groups could agree on , for lack of a better term, 
handicaps , to assign to vehicle speeds to either add/subtract mph due to 
surface, wind direction, even humidity, barometer, altitude, temperature, and 
any
other possible relevant input ?
In that situation, only the distances would be left for discussion, and two
way averages, and one hour turnaround, and................. Politics.
Bob W ........Dreamer

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Sun Aug 30 11:26:06 2009
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:26:06 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] TOOL for Ford 9" axel brg removal
Message-ID: <B85D0966C7254B599B09908E74B3E7EE@john>

Sparky

In the 60's on the dragster axles I think I used to just put 3/4" x 3" (?) 
bars behind the bearing on the press . If yours have the steel ring pressed 
on inside the bearing it takes less force if you remove them first by 
splitting them with a chisel .



> anyone have suggestions for a source for the special tool for use with the 
> press for this job?
> _______________________________________________ 

From NT788 at comcast.net  Sun Aug 30 11:43:45 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:43:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
In-Reply-To: <1519377442.1465481251654217786.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <693011525.1465561251654225285.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Dear Mr Bwana

In the near future, there will be no taste ,color,feel, smell,and only one
sex. Babies will be made by a finger prick (no pun). We then will shout in
unison "isn't freedom wonderfull!"B Also the rulebook willB  fill a law
library! I don't like your suggestion!

B Jack Costella



One B thing that would be interesting to know would be the difference in B 
rolling
resistance from the sands of Daytona in 1906 to Edwards Air Force B Base in
2009.


Considering the accuracy of modern measuring technology, wouldn't it be B 
great if all the LSR groups could agree on , for lack of a better term, B 
handicaps , to assign to vehicle speeds to either add/subtract mph due to B 
surface, wind direction, even humidity, barometer, altitude, temperature, and
B any
other possible relevant input ?
In that situation, only the distances would be left for discussion, and two
B way averages, and one hour turnaround, and................. Politics.
Bob W ........Dreamer
_______________________________________________

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sun Aug 30 12:01:29 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:01:29 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
In-Reply-To: <892864.81293.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <892864.81293.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DCDD31F3262145E9898668B31401A372@DaveSatellite>

 You get to pick the day time and conditions for the down run. It would be 
very complicated to quanitfy the surface conditions as they do different 
things to different vehicles. A blown streamliner might like this air and 
high density altitude while a NA roadster not so how do you make that fair? 
The blower brings it's own density altitude and the thinner air cuts aero 
load.. I say let the NHRA weenies do all that and the show will go on along 
with the Nascar 3 ring circus. I am willing to bet if you tell the starter 
you would like to pull over and let others go by until weather suited you 
better and pull back in with due warning there would be no problem at all. I 
do like the idea of the one hour turn around as I have never been a fan of 
the dawn mission to do return runs on unknown surface or weather at all. 
With the one hour you have a real good idea of what you are getting into and 
if the car bike or driver is up to the task..
Dave
> --- On Sun, 8/30/09, BWANA343 at aol.com <BWANA343 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: BWANA343 at aol.com <BWANA343 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
> To: jgmagoo at comcast.net, land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 9:00 AM
>
>
> In
>
> Considering the accuracy of modern measuring technology, wouldn't it be
> great if all the LSR groups could agree on , for lack of a better term,
> handicaps , to assign to vehicle speeds to either add/subtract mph due to
> surface, wind direction, even humidity, barometer, altitude, temperature, 
> and
> any
> other possible relevant input ?
> In that situation, only the distances would be left for discussion, and 
> two
> way averages, and one hour turnaround, and................. Politics.
> Bob W ........Dreamer

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sun Aug 30 19:11:21 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:11:21 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
In-Reply-To: <bf1.5cb70783.37cbfc0e@aol.com>
References: <bf1.5cb70783.37cbfc0e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A2D8DDA9-15A6-4F7F-8AF9-2564F3FFBA2E@comcast.net>

I like the record for the venue situation we have now.
Wes

On Aug 30, 2009, at 10:00 AM, BWANA343 at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 8/30/2009 1:36:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jgmagoo at comcast.net writes:
>
> One  thing that would be interesting to know would be the difference  
> in
> rolling
> resistance from the sands of Daytona in 1906 to Edwards Air Force   
> Base in
> 2009.
>
>
> Considering the accuracy of modern measuring technology, wouldn't it  
> be
> great if all the LSR groups could agree on , for lack of a better  
> term,
> handicaps , to assign to vehicle speeds to either add/subtract mph  
> due to
> surface, wind direction, even humidity, barometer, altitude,  
> temperature, and  any
> other possible relevant input ?
> In that situation, only the distances would be left for discussion,  
> and two
> way averages, and one hour turnaround, and................. Politics.
> Bob W ........Dreamer
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From kturk at adelphia.net  Sun Aug 30 19:41:04 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:41:04 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] The Steam Boys
References: <892864.81293.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CFE83E43558A4FFFB7A3C4763D5294FE@keithhrijwmm4p>

Y'all don't forget that just cause your the Fastest in the world doesn't 
mean you could have a "Record" of that.... LOL

Sorry just had to poke a stick in that...

K 

From mbp01 at sky.com  Mon Aug 31 12:01:17 2009
From: mbp01 at sky.com (Malcolm Pittwood)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:01:17 +0100
Subject: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph
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Speed is a calculated figure as we all know and is a simple formula of a
distance divided by time.  Express it in miles per hour, feet per second,
kilometres per hour, furlongs per day, whatever you want..

The distance once measured is a fixed length.

The only variable to be measured is the time taken from the start of the
measured distance to the end of that distance.  For most governing bodies
the timing equipment has to be initiated by the passage of the vehicle
through a beam.
The FIA demand two runs within one hour.  "The calcualtion of the average
speed retained for the establishment of the record will be calculated on the
basis of the average of times registered on consecutive runs in opposite
directions".  All to a timed accuracy of 1/1000th of a second and then
expressed to 1/1000th of a mph or kilo per hour.

After dealing with about 45 days on the desert and a faster kilo record
speed the British Steam Car team wisely came away with their record goals
met and car and drivers intact.

Malcolm
.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:25 PM, 23weldon <23.weldon at comcast.net> wrote:

> So the BNI record is the average of two speeds. The FIA record is an
> elapsed time over a defined piece of real estate which then gets translated
> into mph (because that is the number most of the rest of us relate to).  Of
> course the FIA record is most correct because that's the "real" world
> record.
> Hmmmmm......... perfect logic from the folks who a couple of centuries back
> decided the world needed a measurement system based on the distance from the
> equator to the North Pole.
> Personally I'm more interested in speed records than elapsed time records
> (with all due respect to our friends in motorsports communities to whom ET
> is pretty important)
> Ed Weldon
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] British Steam effort 139.843mph
>
>
>  Jeeze, I hope not! You cannot average averages... mathematically
>> incorrect.
>>
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