From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Wed Apr  1 07:38:47 2009
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:38:47 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
Message-ID: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05290EDB@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19644

powered by . . . . .wind.

From karhu at california.com  Wed Apr  1 09:48:25 2009
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:25 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
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So, just the thing to have when the wind picks up at B'ville, shutting down 
combustion-powered runs?  I wonder how long it takes to get up to speed, and 
what the wind speed was when it set the record.  Maybe a wind record should 
be based on the greatest speed per unit of available 
windspeed--tornado-power, anyone?
Benn

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To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:38 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR


> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19644
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Wed Apr  1 10:31:41 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:31:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
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I'm going to try it.
Bryan

Benn wrote:
> So, just the thing to have when the wind picks up at B'ville, shutting 
> down combustion-powered runs?  I wonder how long it takes to get up to 
> speed, and what the wind speed was when it set the record.  Maybe a 
> wind record should be based on the greatest speed per unit of 
> available windspeed--tornado-power, anyone?
> Benn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adin, David" 
> <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:38 AM
> Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
>
>
>> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19644
>>
>> powered by . . . . .wind.
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Apr  1 12:45:31 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:45:31 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] So now you're "Father Time"
Message-ID: <36A0F4A1-D340-4D56-BC25-34AC0421255C@comcast.net>

Noonan just hit the proverbial nail on the head on Landracing.com  
talking about the chat line!   Actually sounds like an appropriate  
name for the guy who has had to baby all these racers for so many  
years.   This gives you a chance to call the miscreants who don't  
clear the course after a run some names like diaper dandys or Pamper  
pushers or in the case of some of the more senior racers something to  
use "Depends."   I can hear it now ... Glen's voice over the radio  
after a run where the engine never cleans out and the car ends up on  
the course before the five mile marker ... "Looks like we have another  
'boxers or briefs' driver" ...  and we all know the answer to that  
choice for us older guys!

Wes

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Wed Apr  1 12:48:22 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:48:22 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
In-Reply-To: <49D3A4FD.1030907@wildblue.net>
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I suppose that the FIA certified it? Maybe the FIW (wind). Who timed 
it? Glen, were you there? Is this any more of a record than the Bud 
rocket? Seriously, who says it's real? If it is real and certified, 
then congratulations all around!!

OK, Bryan, I'll help.

Skip






At 10:31 AM 4/1/2009, you wrote:
>I'm going to try it.
>Bryan
>
>Benn wrote:
>>So, just the thing to have when the wind picks up at B'ville, 
>>shutting down combustion-powered runs?  I wonder how long it takes 
>>to get up to speed, and what the wind speed was when it set the 
>>record.  Maybe a wind record should be based on the greatest speed 
>>per unit of available windspeed--tornado-power, anyone?
>>Benn
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
>>To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:38 AM
>>Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
>>
>>
>>>http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19644

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Wed Apr  1 12:58:28 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:58:28 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
Message-ID: <20090401205728.EAD51187868@autox.team.net>

I suppose that the FIA certified it? Maybe the FIW (wind). Who timed 
it? Glen, were you there? Is this any more of a record than the Bud 
rocket? Seriously, who says it's real? If it is real and certified, 
then congratulations all around!!

OK, Bryan, I'll help.

Skip






At 10:31 AM 4/1/2009, you wrote:
>I'm going to try it.
>Bryan
>
>Benn wrote:
>>So, just the thing to have when the wind picks up at B'ville, 
>>shutting down combustion-powered runs?  I wonder how long it takes 
>>to get up to speed, and what the wind speed was when it set the 
>>record.  Maybe a wind record should be based on the greatest speed 
>>per unit of available windspeed--tornado-power, anyone?
>>Benn
>>
>>
>>>http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19644

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Apr  1 12:59:26 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:59:26 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
References: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05290EDB@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net><6FCF65B3BA594835BF93C98A043C70E7@BennsDesktop><49D3A4FD.1030907@wildblue.net>
	<20090401204719.98B63187868@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <FB3BF7BD67334A62AD6DD20468B96B0D@Glens>

Skip
I have no idea who timed it. I would have liked to have seen it cause you 
couldn't hear it coming. It's a nice piece of engineering and build. I 
suppose we will never hear the end of it from ratliff.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
Cc: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] New LSR


>I suppose that the FIA certified it? Maybe the FIW (wind). Who timed it? 
>Glen, were you there? Is this any more of a record than the Bud rocket? 
>Seriously, who says it's real? If it is real and certified, then 
>congratulations all around!!
>
> OK, Bryan, I'll help.
>
> Skip
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 10:31 AM 4/1/2009, you wrote:
>>I'm going to try it.
>>Bryan
>>
>>Benn wrote:
>>>So, just the thing to have when the wind picks up at B'ville, shutting 
>>>down combustion-powered runs?  I wonder how long it takes to get up to 
>>>speed, and what the wind speed was when it set the record.  Maybe a wind 
>>>record should be based on the greatest speed per unit of available 
>>>windspeed--tornado-power, anyone?
>>>Benn
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Adin, David" 
>>><DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
>>>To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:38 AM
>>>Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19644
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Apr  1 13:17:14 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:17:14 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] So now you're "Father Time"
References: <36A0F4A1-D340-4D56-BC25-34AC0421255C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E9515EBA573A4648ADE187A5840B71B7@Glens>

Well what do you expect from a punk biker.
GB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>
To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>
Cc: "LAND SPEED LIST" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:45 PM
Subject: So now you're "Father Time"


> Noonan just hit the proverbial nail on the head on Landracing.com  
> talking about the chat line!   Actually sounds like an appropriate  
> name for the guy who has had to baby all these racers for so many  
> years.   This gives you a chance to call the miscreants who don't  
> clear the course after a run some names like diaper dandys or Pamper  
> pushers or in the case of some of the more senior racers something to  
> use "Depends."   I can hear it now ... Glen's voice over the radio  
> after a run where the engine never cleans out and the car ends up on  
> the course before the five mile marker ... "Looks like we have another  
> 'boxers or briefs' driver" ...  and we all know the answer to that  
> choice for us older guys!
> 
> Wes

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Wed Apr  1 13:38:01 2009
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:38:01 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
References: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05290EDB@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <36373B1742904B39BAA653C6451FC106@ChrisHarrisPC>

David, now that is a fantastic piece of gear. Has definite aspects of Jack 
Costello design.
I found this and other clips of the vehicle on youtube.
Chris Harris...........NZed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJLFQ-1nGz0

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Wed Apr  1 13:41:34 2009
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:41:34 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
In-Reply-To: <20090401204719.98B63187868@autox.team.net>
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The report was from the pistonhead website - and you-all read everything
I have read.

So, FIA (why would they certify a sailboat?), guiness book of world
records?  Who knows?

David

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Skip
Higginbotham
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:48 PM
To: Bryan Savage
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] New LSR

I suppose that the FIA certified it? Maybe the FIW (wind). Who timed it?
Glen, were you there? Is this any more of a record than the Bud rocket?
Seriously, who says it's real? If it is real and certified, then
congratulations all around!!

OK, Bryan, I'll help.

Skip






At 10:31 AM 4/1/2009, you wrote:
>I'm going to try it.
>Bryan
>
>Benn wrote:
>>So, just the thing to have when the wind picks up at B'ville, shutting

>>down combustion-powered runs?  I wonder how long it takes to get up to

>>speed, and what the wind speed was when it set the record.  Maybe a
>>wind record should be based on the greatest speed per unit of
>>available windspeed--tornado-power, anyone?
>>Benn
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Adin, David"
>><DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
>>To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>>Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:38 AM
>>Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
>>
>>
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Apr  1 14:00:04 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:00:04 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
References: <F65754F39ABABE41B43CC86C276D4D05290EDB@chimsx015.CHI.catholichealth.net><6FCF65B3BA594835BF93C98A043C70E7@BennsDesktop><49D3A4FD.1030907@wildblue.net><20090401204719.98B63187868@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <7823E707CA184EB3B941785478632567@Glens>

During the runs I didn't see any timing traps or any mention of how it was 
timed. GPS maybe but they were looking at something with a digital readout 
at the back of the vehicle. The head on view of it showed it getting a 
little crossed up as well. The wheel on a stick is a heck of a cantilever vs 
the size and surface area of the sail ( vertical wing ) Looked like he was 
getting bounced around inside as well. Didn't see any  harness.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
To: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>; "Bryan Savage" 
<b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
Cc: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] New LSR


> The report was from the pistonhead website - and you-all read everything
> I have read.
>
> So, FIA (why would they certify a sailboat?), guiness book of world
> records?  Who knows?
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Skip
> Higginbotham
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:48 PM
> To: Bryan Savage
> Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] New LSR
>
> I suppose that the FIA certified it? Maybe the FIW (wind). Who timed it?
> Glen, were you there? Is this any more of a record than the Bud rocket?
> Seriously, who says it's real? If it is real and certified, then
> congratulations all around!!
>
> OK, Bryan, I'll help.
>
> Skip
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 10:31 AM 4/1/2009, you wrote:
>>I'm going to try it.
>>Bryan
>>
>>Benn wrote:
>>>So, just the thing to have when the wind picks up at B'ville, shutting
>
>>>down combustion-powered runs?  I wonder how long it takes to get up to
>
>>>speed, and what the wind speed was when it set the record.  Maybe a
>>>wind record should be based on the greatest speed per unit of
>>>available windspeed--tornado-power, anyone?
>>>Benn
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Adin, David"
>>><DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
>>>To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:38 AM
>>>Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19644
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From saltracer282 at msn.com  Wed Apr  1 18:32:51 2009
From: saltracer282 at msn.com (Bob Igo)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:32:51 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY122-DS5A46584C89CC8381B272B90880@phx.gbl>

jim tone,what are you looking for? I have a 257" buick headed small block. all
good stuff, jesel belt drive, jesel rockers, ti valves, sheet intake, 15+ to
one cr, hamberger pan, will make 2.38+ per inch, all fresh, no carbs,
ignition, dampner. 9500.00. E motors are expensive to build, so that's cheep.

From NT788 at comcast.net  Thu Apr  2 07:40:40 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:40:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] So now you're "Father Time"
In-Reply-To: <36A0F4A1-D340-4D56-BC25-34AC0421255C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <49843214.2476161238683240405.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

About getting of the track. There is a difference between an act of god i:e( a flat tire, a spin, blown motor,or if its unsafe in the drivers opinion,or the rider falls of his or her bike) and a stupid personality.(someone who says he wants to take pictures, or he or she is to hot!) Nancy Pelosi of course wouldn't see the difference! And she's hot! 
Jack Costella 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net> 
To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com> 
Cc: "LAND SPEED LIST" <land-speed at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 12:45:31 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Land-speed] So now you're "Father Time" 

Noonan just hit the proverbial nail on the head on Landracing.com 
talking about the chat line! Actually sounds like an appropriate 
name for the guy who has had to baby all these racers for so many 
years. This gives you a chance to call the miscreants who don't 
clear the course after a run some names like diaper dandys or Pamper 
pushers or in the case of some of the more senior racers something to 
use "Depends." I can hear it now ... Glen's voice over the radio 
after a run where the engine never cleans out and the car ends up on 
the course before the five mile marker ... "Looks like we have another 
'boxers or briefs' driver" ... and we all know the answer to that 
choice for us older guys! 

Wes 
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From NT788 at comcast.net  Thu Apr  2 07:51:40 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:51:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] So now you're "Father Time"
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I think a "miscreant" is a person who can't tell the difference between an act of god and a personality fault! Bureaucrats are generally "miscrants". Jack I can't wait for the response" just get of the track jack" Typical! 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net> 
To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com> 
Cc: "LAND SPEED LIST" <land-speed at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 12:45:31 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Land-speed] So now you're "Father Time" 

Noonan just hit the proverbial nail on the head on Landracing.com 
talking about the chat line! Actually sounds like an appropriate 
name for the guy who has had to baby all these racers for so many 
years. This gives you a chance to call the miscreants who don't 
clear the course after a run some names like diaper dandys or Pamper 
pushers or in the case of some of the more senior racers something to 
use "Depends." I can hear it now ... Glen's voice over the radio 
after a run where the engine never cleans out and the car ends up on 
the course before the five mile marker ... "Looks like we have another 
'boxers or briefs' driver" ... and we all know the answer to that 
choice for us older guys! 

Wes 
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Apr  2 12:14:39 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:14:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
Message-ID: <000001c9b3c7$4590c870$d0b25950$@net>

It appears that the outrigger is on the UPWIND side. You can see this by the
upward bending in the strut, leaning of the vertical wing, and the dust
blowing down-wind. Why isn't it on the down-wind side? To offset blow-over
forces you have to add a lot of weight as wells as build in down-force (with
the corresponding DRAG) on the strut. If he was heading in the other
direction the strut could be built with less drag and ballast?  Interesting!
-Elon

From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Thu Apr  2 12:34:59 2009
From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:34:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
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I noted the same. I think it would pitch-pole if it was so rigged. 
No heeling to spill air either. BJ in Beantown, (traded the ocean for the garage) 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirkwood" <saltfever at comcast.net> 
To: "land-speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 3:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR 

It appears that the outrigger is on the UPWIND side. You can see this by the 
upward bending in the strut, leaning of the vertical wing, and the dust 
blowing down-wind. Why isn't it on the down-wind side? To offset blow-over 
forces you have to add a lot of weight as wells as build in down-force (with 
the corresponding DRAG) on the strut. If he was heading in the other 
direction the strut could be built with less drag and ballast? Interesting! 
-Elon 
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  2 16:54:13 2009
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:54:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
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There was a piece on 60 Minutes last year about some rich guy who built an
America's Cup contender using the same principles. His boat had dual hulls and
a sail(?) like the subject. It was so fast in testing that it was deemed
illegal before racing. I think the cost was in excess of $22M.
 
DW

--- On Thu, 4/2/09, bobbyhotrods at comcast.net <bobbyhotrods at comcast.net>
wrote:

From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net <bobbyhotrods at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] New LSR
To: "Kirkwood" <saltfever at comcast.net>
Cc: "land-speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:34 PM

I noted the same. I think it would pitch-pole if it was so rigged.
No heeling to spill air either. BJ in Beantown, (traded the ocean for the
garage)
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To: "land-speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 3:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR

It appears that the outrigger is on the UPWIND side. You can see this by the
upward bending in the strut, leaning of the vertical wing, and the dust
blowing down-wind. Why isn't it on the down-wind side? To offset blow-over
forces you have to add a lot of weight as wells as build in down-force (with
the corresponding DRAG) on the strut. If he was heading in the other
direction the strut could be built with less drag and ballast? Interesting!
-Elon
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Thu Apr  2 20:52:19 2009
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:52:19 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
References: <125816.51554.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DC956131388C45358040D76B8234FE0F@john>

Dan

The America's Cup has lots of rules . The boats have a certain spec , they 
race every 4 years in the previous winners  country etc .  There is a seldom 
used clause in the rules that allows somebody to challenge the champ in the 
middle of the 4 year cycle and the boats don't need to meet the normal 7 
meter rules . In what ever year that was a New Zealander named Michael Fay 
challenged Dennis O'Connor . The bigger a sail boat is the faster it is so 
Fay built one bigger than  normal but a catamaran is faster than a single 
hull so that's what O'Connor built and walked away on every race . 
O'Connor's catamaran was only raced once but that's true of all America's 
Cup boats .

John


> There was a piece on 60 Minutes last year about some rich guy who built an
> America's Cup contender using the same principles. His boat had dual hulls 
> and
> a sail(?) like the subject. It was so fast in testing that it was deemed
> illegal before racing. I think the cost was in excess of $22M.
>
> DW
>
> --- On Thu, 4/2/09, bobbyhotrods at comcast.net <bobbyhotrods at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net <bobbyhotrods at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] New LSR
> To: "Kirkwood" <saltfever at comcast.net>
> Cc: "land-speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 12:34 PM
>
> I noted the same. I think it would pitch-pole if it was so rigged.
> No heeling to spill air either. BJ in Beantown, (traded the ocean for the
> garage)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirkwood" <saltfever at comcast.net>
> To: "land-speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 3:14:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
>
> It appears that the outrigger is on the UPWIND side. You can see this by 
> the
> upward bending in the strut, leaning of the vertical wing, and the dust
> blowing down-wind. Why isn't it on the down-wind side? To offset blow-over
> forces you have to add a lot of weight as wells as build in down-force 
> (with
> the corresponding DRAG) on the strut. If he was heading in the other
> direction the strut could be built with less drag and ballast? 
> Interesting!
> -Elon
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Fri Apr  3 00:10:41 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:10:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
In-Reply-To: <125816.51554.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <125816.51554.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49D5B671.1020900@wildblue.net>

DW and list,

What I remember about that, is that they added a rule that all
contenders must have a single hull. Reminded me of the turbo
Indy car because he was hoping they would let him run it once
before outlawing it. Somehow his secret got out.
I used to be in sailing. Got too expensive for me.

That's what I like about Streamliners, any plan within a few
basic common sense and necessary safety requirements is allowed.
Common sense and history/experience are used to judge the design,
the same are used to judge the execution of the design. These are
the same principles used to design IBM Computers.
All this means is, no fliers or junk allowed.

I'll go back in my hole now DW.
Bryan



dan warner wrote:
> There was a piece on 60 Minutes last year about some rich guy who built an
> America's Cup contender using the same principles. His boat had dual hulls and
> a sail(?) like the subject. It was so fast in testing that it was deemed
> illegal before racing. I think the cost was in excess of $22M.
>  
> DW

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  3 06:50:32 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:50:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
Message-ID: <23511997.1238766633148.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Sorry Bryan, Like any racing is not expensive....OK OK not like some water crafts...... 


>
Got too expensive for me.

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Fri Apr  3 14:57:09 2009
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:57:09 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
References: <125816.51554.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<49D5B671.1020900@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <1A7A149B164E422099DDFC33ED60C5F7@ChrisHarrisPC>

Was this, that 22 mill yacht, or another ?
http://www.goskagit.com/home/article/court_backs_bmw_oracle_racing_as_challenger_for_americas_cup/

Chris H..............NZed.

> DW and list,
>
> What I remember about that, is that they added a rule that all
> contenders must have a single hull. Reminded me of the turbo
> Indy car because he was hoping they would let him run it once
> before outlawing it. Somehow his secret got out.
> I used to be in sailing. Got too expensive for me.
>
> That's what I like about Streamliners, any plan within a few
> basic common sense and necessary safety requirements is allowed.
> Common sense and history/experience are used to judge the design,
> the same are used to judge the execution of the design. These are
> the same principles used to design IBM Computers.
> All this means is, no fliers or junk allowed.
>
> I'll go back in my hole now DW.
> Bryan
>
>
>
> dan warner wrote:
>> There was a piece on 60 Minutes last year about some rich guy who built 
>> an
>> America's Cup contender using the same principles. His boat had dual 
>> hulls and
>> a sail(?) like the subject. It was so fast in testing that it was deemed
>> illegal before racing. I think the cost was in excess of $22M.
>>  DW

From NT788 at comcast.net  Fri Apr  3 18:08:56 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 01:08:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
In-Reply-To: <1A7A149B164E422099DDFC33ED60C5F7@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <1896894659.3100521238807336573.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Modified sports could be an entry level streamlinner. But there go all the Alfa records! I guess its better to spend more money, and build a better Alfa! More money(the American way! I guess records are precious! 
Jack! 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Harris" <yesford at clear.net.nz> 
To: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>, dwarner230 at yahoo.com 
Cc: "land-speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>, "Kirkwood" <saltfever at comcast.net> 
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 2:57:09 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] New LSR 

Was this, that 22 mill yacht, or another ? 
http://www.goskagit.com/home/article/court_backs_bmw_oracle_racing_as_challenger_for_americas_cup/ 

Chris H..............NZed. 

> DW and list, 
> 
> What I remember about that, is that they added a rule that all 
> contenders must have a single hull. Reminded me of the turbo 
> Indy car because he was hoping they would let him run it once 
> before outlawing it. Somehow his secret got out. 
> I used to be in sailing. Got too expensive for me. 
> 
> That's what I like about Streamliners, any plan within a few 
> basic common sense and necessary safety requirements is allowed. 
> Common sense and history/experience are used to judge the design, 
> the same are used to judge the execution of the design. These are 
> the same principles used to design IBM Computers. 
> All this means is, no fliers or junk allowed. 
> 
> I'll go back in my hole now DW. 
> Bryan 
> 
> 
> 
> dan warner wrote: 
>> There was a piece on 60 Minutes last year about some rich guy who built 
>> an 
>> America's Cup contender using the same principles. His boat had dual 
>> hulls and 
>> a sail(?) like the subject. It was so fast in testing that it was deemed 
>> illegal before racing. I think the cost was in excess of $22M. 
>> DW 
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  3 15:13:04 2009
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:13:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] New LSR
In-Reply-To: <1A7A149B164E422099DDFC33ED60C5F7@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <419761.2838.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yes, the founder of Oracle. His was the piece I saw on 60 Minutes last year.
Sounds like the court has been hard at work.
 
Dan

--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Chris Harris <yesford at clear.net.nz> wrote:

From: Chris Harris <yesford at clear.net.nz>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] New LSR
To: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>, dwarner230 at yahoo.com
Cc: "land-speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>, "Kirkwood"
<saltfever at comcast.net>
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 2:57 PM

Was this, that 22 mill yacht, or another ?
http://www.goskagit.com/home/article/court_backs_bmw_oracle_racing_as_challen
ger_for_americas_cup/

Chris H..............NZed.

> DW and list,
>
> What I remember about that, is that they added a rule that all
> contenders must have a single hull. Reminded me of the turbo
> Indy car because he was hoping they would let him run it once
> before outlawing it. Somehow his secret got out.
> I used to be in sailing. Got too expensive for me.
>
> That's what I like about Streamliners, any plan within a few
> basic common sense and necessary safety requirements is allowed.
> Common sense and history/experience are used to judge the design,
> the same are used to judge the execution of the design. These are
> the same principles used to design IBM Computers.
> All this means is, no fliers or junk allowed.
>
> I'll go back in my hole now DW.
> Bryan
>
>
>
> dan warner wrote:
>> There was a piece on 60 Minutes last year about some rich guy who
built an
>> America's Cup contender using the same principles. His boat had
dual hulls and
>> a sail(?) like the subject. It was so fast in testing that it was
deemed
>> illegal before racing. I think the cost was in excess of $22M.
>>  DW

From advo at comcast.net  Fri Apr  3 20:55:11 2009
From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:55:11 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Late type Ford flathead scatter shield
Message-ID: <C5FC444F.35B0%advo@comcast.net>

Wondering if anyone is still making a scattershield which will mate a late
Ford flathead motor to a modern transmission.
Lakewood9s website doesn9t list one.  Can some other shield be modified?
Yes, I can weld 1/42 steel, but I9m trying to make life a little easier.....
If anybody has a spare....... It will need to pass inspection for a salt
racer
Greg

From advo at comcast.net  Fri Apr  3 20:58:53 2009
From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:58:53 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Scattershield
Message-ID: <C5FC452D.35B3%advo@comcast.net>

Excuse my punctuation.....9 is an apostrophe and 2 is a space  goofy
computer.....

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Fri Apr  3 22:30:01 2009
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 01:30:01 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Late type Ford flathead scatter shield
Message-ID: <3BDD8C425F4C4365B4F9243FF2EB94A3@john>

Greg
Redrill a Lakewood bellhousing to your pattern or make a flathead to 
Lakewood adapter from flat plate .



> Wondering if anyone is still making a scattershield which will mate a late
> Ford flathead motor to a modern transmission.
> Lakewood9s website doesn9t list one.  Can some other shield be modified?
> Yes, I can weld 1/42 steel, but I9m trying to make life a little 
> easier.....
> If anybody has a spare....... It will need to pass inspection for a salt
> racer
> Greg
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From advo at comcast.net  Sat Apr  4 09:03:08 2009
From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:03:08 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Late type Ford flathead scatter shield
In-Reply-To: <3BDD8C425F4C4365B4F9243FF2EB94A3@john>
Message-ID: <C5FCEEEC.35BC%advo@comcast.net>

Thanks guys:
Take a small block ford Lakewood scattershield and drill it.
I can always count on an answer from the list!
Greg


On 4/4/09 12:30 AM, "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net> wrote:

> Greg
> Redrill a Lakewood bellhousing to your pattern or make a flathead to
> Lakewood adapter from flat plate .
> 
> 
> 
>> Wondering if anyone is still making a scattershield which will mate a late
>> Ford flathead motor to a modern transmission.
>> Lakewood9s website doesn9t list one.  Can some other shield be modified?
>> Yes, I can weld 1/42 steel, but I9m trying to make life a little
>> easier.....
>> If anybody has a spare....... It will need to pass inspection for a salt
>> racer
>> Greg
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Apr  4 16:16:13 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:16:13 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] O2 Sensor Bung Extender
Message-ID: <49D7EA3D.40004@mayfco.com>

I may have toasted my O2 sensor last time out. It is in a very hot 
exhaust gas location, just after the turbo. I know that Innovate sells 
teh HBX-1 extender and it costs 89 bucks But, are there other off the 
shelf extenders that may be a tad cheaper?  I think I would also like 
one a bit longer than the HBX-1 just for insurance.  I can make one 
also, from a damaged O2 sensor...

Does the length of an extender play much part in the lag time of a 
reading?  Seems to me it would.

Any thoughts, comments etc?

mayf

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Apr  5 00:52:28 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:52:28 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] O2 Sensor Bung Extender
In-Reply-To: <49D7EA3D.40004@mayfco.com>
References: <49D7EA3D.40004@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <49D8633C.3080706@wildblue.net>

Mayf,
I have the adapter that clamps on the tip of the
exhaust pipe.
Could you use that?
Bryan

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Apr  5 01:47:18 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:47:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the perplexed -
 New Scientist
Message-ID: <49D87016.1090609@wildblue.net>

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462

 From the #1 Science magazine is the World.

26 reasons why Climate Change is wrong, plus a LOT
of discussion about it, Pro & Con.

If you get excited by the subject, Please just delete.
Thank you,
Bryan

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Sun Apr  5 08:35:02 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 07:35:02 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the
 perplexed - New Scientist
References: <49D87016.1090609@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <49D8C195.000004.03124@HOME>

Good info...I haven't read much of the available on the site yet. Just
encourages me to know that everyone isn't in the tank together.  I lived
long enough to see weather cycle and we have more that twice the population
than when I was in school and we still seem to make it ok. The more is said,
the less I believe it. My take is that politics is the motivator for the sky
is falling.

Tom

-------Original Message-------

From: Bryan Savage
Date: 4/5/2009 1:50:16 AM
To: List Land Speed
Subject: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the perplexed -
New Scientist

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462

  From the #1 Science magazine is the World.

26 reasons why Climate Change is wrong, plus a LOT
of discussion about it, Pro & Con.

If you get excited by the subject, Please just delete.
Thank you,
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Apr  5 08:48:47 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 10:48:47 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the
 perplexed - New Scientist
Message-ID: <35907.1238942927@dbelltech.com>


From dlodom at charter.net  Sun Apr  5 09:26:35 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 08:26:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the
 perplexed - New Scientist
References: <49D87016.1090609@wildblue.net> <49D8C195.000004.03124@HOME>
Message-ID: <00af01c9b602$e8300220$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Tom, I agree about the politics. A very smart person told me to figure out 
things like abortion or man made climate change, " Just follow the Money ".

Doug

> Good info...I haven't read much of the available on the site yet. Just
> encourages me to know that everyone isn't in the tank together.  I lived
> long enough to see weather cycle and we have more that twice the 
> population
> than when I was in school and we still seem to make it ok. The more is 
> said,
> the less I believe it. My take is that politics is the motivator for the 
> sky
> is falling.
>
> Tom

From NT788 at comcast.net  Sun Apr  5 10:57:55 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 16:57:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the
 perplexed - New Scientist
In-Reply-To: <00af01c9b602$e8300220$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <1511710597.3407661238950675192.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Thats on the money Doug! jack 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net> 
To: "List Land Speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>, "Tom Bryant" <saltracer at awwwsome.com> 
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 8:26:35 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the perplexed - New Scientist 

Tom, I agree about the politics. A very smart person told me to figure out 
things like abortion or man made climate change, " Just follow the Money ". 

Doug 

> Good info...I haven't read much of the available on the site yet. Just 
> encourages me to know that everyone isn't in the tank together. I lived 
> long enough to see weather cycle and we have more that twice the 
> population 
> than when I was in school and we still seem to make it ok. The more is 
> said, 
> the less I believe it. My take is that politics is the motivator for the 
> sky 
> is falling. 
> 
> Tom 
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Sun Apr  5 12:42:34 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:42:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] O2 Sensor Bung Extender
Message-ID: <000001c9b61e$49cbfff0$dd63ffd0$@net>

Mayf: There are two issues. The sensor body temp is limited to a max of 900
deg F and the gas temp limit is about 1300 deg F.  Part number 3764 costs
$12.00 and raises the sensor tip out of the hot flowing gases. If the sensor
is located at least 10-12 inches downstream of the turbine you may not have
a sensor-body-temp problem but a hot gas problem. 3764 gets the sensor tip
out of the hot gas stream. If you feel you need the $89 heat sink you can
make one simply with some small copper stock. Drill a hole the same size of
the sensor thread OD and us the copper stock as a gasket when you screw the
sensor into your existing bung. That should solve the problem and if you
could direct air to it that would be even better. Any copper tubing left
over after plumbing the shop for compressed air?  Cut a small piece. Slice
it lengthwise and hammer it flat. Annealing may be required. A 2 inch square
should be all you need. 

 

According to Klaus (Mr. Innovate tech director) there is no time lag with a
stand-off scenario. Gas particles are traveling at molecular speed. The WB
is doing about 1,000 calculations per sec but averaging them and reporting
at 12/sec.   -Elon

 

drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>

I may have toasted my O2 sensor last time out. It is in a very hot exhaust
gas location, just after the turbo. I know that Innovate sells teh HBX-1
extender and it costs 89 bucks But, are there other off the shelf extenders
that may be a tad cheaper?  I think I would also like one a bit longer than
the HBX-1 just for insurance.  I can make one also, from a damaged O2
sensor...

 

Does the length of an extender play much part in the lag time of a reading?
Seems to me it would.

From jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr  5 19:05:22 2009
From: jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net (John Thornton)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:05:22 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the
 perplexed - New Scientist
In-Reply-To: <49D94D42.4060009@sbcglobal.net>
References: <49D87016.1090609@wildblue.net> <49D94D42.4060009@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49D95552.9000906@sbcglobal.net>

> Bryan Savage wrote:
>> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462
>>
>> From the #1 Science magazine is the World.
>>
>> 26 reasons why Climate Change is wrong, plus a LOT
>> of discussion about it, Pro & Con.
>>
>> If you get excited by the subject, Please just delete.
>> Thank you,
>> Bryan 
>
>
> Did you actually read this?
> This isn't 26 reasons why Climate Change is wrong.
> The first page clearly states:
>
> "Yet despite all the complexities, a firm and ever-growing body of 
> evidence points to a clear picture: the world is warming, this warming 
> is due to human activity increasing levels of greenhouse gases in the 
> atmosphere, and if emissions continue unabated the warming will too, 
> with increasingly serious consequences."
>
> This is a list of several fallacious arguments like "Chaotic systems 
> are not predictable", "Many leading scientists question climate 
> change" and "Human CO2 emissions are too tiny to matter" that people 
> not conversant in science or climatology often make because they don't 
> know any better.
> This is a debunking of these and other erroneous arguments this 
> article labels "Climate myths".
>
> There are NO reasons listed for why Climate Change is wrong and a good 
> explanation of why it is correct.
> And yes, it is an excellent science magazine beyond reproach and 
> hardly recipients of funds that drive their findings.
>
> John Thornton

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Sun Apr  5 18:45:30 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:45:30 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the
 perplexed - New Scientist
References: <49D87016.1090609@wildblue.net>
	<49D94D42.4060009@sbcglobal.net> <49D95552.9000906@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <49D950AA.000019.03492@HOME>

There are great disagreements amongst scientist. I have not read many of
these articles listed on the site, but the tendency is to grasp the
arguments that support manmade causes that have been put forth by scientist.
Man has always created environmental problems. That is a way of life that we
need to be concerned about.

Probably the spreading of asphalt and building dams change our local weather
more than we would like. Very likely, the Alaska's Redoubt Volcano has
created more to change our earth's circumstances than all the people on
earth the last few weeks.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From NT788 at comcast.net  Sun Apr  5 18:55:30 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 00:55:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the
 perplexed - New Scientist
In-Reply-To: <1532525488.3514111238979289756.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1313288298.3514271238979330139.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Like all rule makers, the same thing applies to a factory smokestack. as my cox 049 model airplane motor. "follow the money baby" ! 
jack 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Thornton" <jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net> 
To: land-speed at autox.team.net 
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 6:05:22 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the perplexed - New Scientist 

> Bryan Savage wrote: 
>> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462 
>> 
>> From the #1 Science magazine is the World. 
>> 
>> 26 reasons why Climate Change is wrong, plus a LOT 
>> of discussion about it, Pro & Con. 
>> 
>> If you get excited by the subject, Please just delete. 
>> Thank you, 
>> Bryan 
> 
> 
> Did you actually read this? 
> This isn't 26 reasons why Climate Change is wrong. 
> The first page clearly states: 
> 
> "Yet despite all the complexities, a firm and ever-growing body of 
> evidence points to a clear picture: the world is warming, this warming 
> is due to human activity increasing levels of greenhouse gases in the 
> atmosphere, and if emissions continue unabated the warming will too, 
> with increasingly serious consequences." 
> 
> This is a list of several fallacious arguments like "Chaotic systems 
> are not predictable", "Many leading scientists question climate 
> change" and "Human CO2 emissions are too tiny to matter" that people 
> not conversant in science or climatology often make because they don't 
> know any better. 
> This is a debunking of these and other erroneous arguments this 
> article labels "Climate myths". 
> 
> There are NO reasons listed for why Climate Change is wrong and a good 
> explanation of why it is correct. 
> And yes, it is an excellent science magazine beyond reproach and 
> hardly recipients of funds that drive their findings. 
> 
> John Thornton 
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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sun Apr  5 20:13:07 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:13:07 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] O2 Sensor Bung Extender
In-Reply-To: <000001c9b61e$49cbfff0$dd63ffd0$@net>
References: <000001c9b61e$49cbfff0$dd63ffd0$@net>
Message-ID: <2092B24F93A244AC876A6F9B37E7A1A8@DaveSatellite>

Do a google search on lsu 4.2 and you might find the neirst cell needs 600 c 
just to operate....that is over 1100 F klaus can do all the calcs in the 
world but response time for meaningful data is around 300 ms..... the 
farther you are from the combustion chamber the slower it gets as well.. BTW 
what is molecular speed in milkes per 
hour??????????????????????????????????? or furlongs per fortnight if 
necessary.. sigh.,............
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirkwood" <saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "land-speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] O2 Sensor Bung Extender


> Mayf: There are two issues. The sensor body temp is limited to a max of 
> 900
> deg F and the gas temp limit is about 1300 deg F.  Part number 3764 costs
> $12.00 and raises the sensor tip out of the hot flowing gases. If the 
> sensor
> is located at least 10-12 inches downstream of the turbine you may not 
> have
> a sensor-body-temp problem but a hot gas problem. 3764 gets the sensor tip
> out of the hot gas stream. If you feel you need the $89 heat sink you can
> make one simply with some small copper stock. Drill a hole the same size 
> of
> the sensor thread OD and us the copper stock as a gasket when you screw 
> the
> sensor into your existing bung. That should solve the problem and if you
> could direct air to it that would be even better. Any copper tubing left
> over after plumbing the shop for compressed air?  Cut a small piece. Slice
> it lengthwise and hammer it flat. Annealing may be required. A 2 inch 
> square
> should be all you need.
>
>
>
> According to Klaus (Mr. Innovate tech director) there is no time lag with 
> a
> stand-off scenario. Gas particles are traveling at molecular speed. The WB
> is doing about 1,000 calculations per sec but averaging them and reporting
> at 12/sec.   -Elon
>
>
>
> drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>
> I may have toasted my O2 sensor last time out. It is in a very hot exhaust
> gas location, just after the turbo. I know that Innovate sells teh HBX-1
> extender and it costs 89 bucks But, are there other off the shelf 
> extenders
> that may be a tad cheaper?  I think I would also like one a bit longer 
> than
> the HBX-1 just for insurance.  I can make one also, from a damaged O2
> sensor...
>
>
>
> Does the length of an extender play much part in the lag time of a 
> reading?
> Seems to me it would.
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From mactem at mebtel.net  Sun Apr  5 20:24:17 2009
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:24:17 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the perplexed -
 New Scientist
Message-ID: <6D1A1D1DDA6444E080265A66080CCD0B@brightstar>

Thanks for the link Bryan, I'll take my time to read it all. 
David

From saltfever at comcast.net  Mon Apr  6 01:17:15 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 00:17:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sensor Bung Extender
In-Reply-To: <2092B24F93A244AC876A6F9B37E7A1A8@DaveSatellite>
References: <000001c9b61e$49cbfff0$dd63ffd0$@net>
	<2092B24F93A244AC876A6F9B37E7A1A8@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <001c01c9b687$b71b2720$25517560$@net>

Dave: Thanks for that great link to the Bosch tech data sheet. The Bosch
sheet shows max operating ''body'' temp as 570C (1058F). Innovate throws an
error code at 950F. They have most likely designed in a little prudent
insurance. -Elon
 
From: Dave Dahlgren: (snip . . .) Do a google search on lsu 4.2 and you
might find the neirst cell needs 600c 
just to operate....that is over 1100 F 

From jdincau at qnet.com  Mon Apr  6 14:02:02 2009
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:02:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick change gears
Message-ID: <04FD5D8CB1B6424B934F7509E3FD32DB@denpc>

For Halibrand V-8 style 6 spline quick change;
I have sets:
2        23/24        new narrow
2A     35/37        new narrow
3        23/23        new narrow
3B     17/19        used  wide
! would like to trade for sets;
4Q      20/24
5A      19/24
Jim Dincau 

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Apr  6 15:03:46 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:03:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Speaking of Paint....
Message-ID: <49DA6E32.3090205@mayfco.com>

What is required to successfully paint a piece of lexan and not have the 
paint flake off at 200 mph?  I had left the original scratch cover on my 
stubby wind screen and the sun has finally killed it. So I would like to 
paint it something spiffy. Are ther especial primers? Should I scuff it 
up with sand paper to give it some tooth?  Or whut... (said in my best 
imatation of billy bob...)

Comments?

mayf

From jdincau at qnet.com  Mon Apr  6 17:30:34 2009
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:30:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick change gears
Message-ID: <05E0AAEA517846098EA4E74BBBA6192F@denpc>

Thanks to Ed Weldon now for Halibrand V-8 style 6 spline quick change;
I have sets:
2        23/24        new narrow
3        23/23        new narrow
3B     17/19        used  wide
I would like to trade for set;
4Q      20/24
Jim Dincau

From NT788 at comcast.net  Mon Apr  6 18:30:24 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 00:30:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the
 perplexed - New Scientist
In-Reply-To: <49D95552.9000906@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1166120670.3918541239064224088.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Two stroke model engines must be a deadly threat! 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Thornton" <jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net> 
To: land-speed at autox.team.net 
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 6:05:22 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) Climate change: A guide for the perplexed - New Scientist 

> Bryan Savage wrote: 
>> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462 
>> 
>> From the #1 Science magazine is the World. 
>> 
>> 26 reasons why Climate Change is wrong, plus a LOT 
>> of discussion about it, Pro & Con. 
>> 
>> If you get excited by the subject, Please just delete. 
>> Thank you, 
>> Bryan 
> 
> 
> Did you actually read this? 
> This isn't 26 reasons why Climate Change is wrong. 
> The first page clearly states: 
> 
> "Yet despite all the complexities, a firm and ever-growing body of 
> evidence points to a clear picture: the world is warming, this warming 
> is due to human activity increasing levels of greenhouse gases in the 
> atmosphere, and if emissions continue unabated the warming will too, 
> with increasingly serious consequences." 
> 
> This is a list of several fallacious arguments like "Chaotic systems 
> are not predictable", "Many leading scientists question climate 
> change" and "Human CO2 emissions are too tiny to matter" that people 
> not conversant in science or climatology often make because they don't 
> know any better. 
> This is a debunking of these and other erroneous arguments this 
> article labels "Climate myths". 
> 
> There are NO reasons listed for why Climate Change is wrong and a good 
> explanation of why it is correct. 
> And yes, it is an excellent science magazine beyond reproach and 
> hardly recipients of funds that drive their findings. 
> 
> John Thornton 
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From jdincau at qnet.com  Mon Apr  6 19:46:15 2009
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 18:46:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick change gears
Message-ID: <E48230511C90463486C7EF04A4A5958F@denpc>

CORRECTION to set #3
For Halibrand V-8 style 6 spline quick change;
I have sets:
2        23/24        new narrow
3        23/25        new narrow
3B     17/19        used  wide
 I would like to trade for set;
 4Q      20/24
 Jim Dincau

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Apr  7 11:58:01 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:58:01 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Code Scanner for Powerstroke
Message-ID: <49DB9429.6050707@mayfco.com>

If any of you have a code scanner for a year 2000 Ford Powerstroke let 
me know what the make and model is? I have a service engine soon light 
that is driving me bonkers. It comes and goes and when it is on the 
truck runs like a plug wire or two has been removed. My code reader is 
not specific enough to catch it. Yeah, I know there are no plugs on a 
diesel, lol, but that's what it feels like..

so some help so I can go find one of these puppies in pahrump?


Oh, list content: thihs truck tows the trailer for the Sunbeam LSr 
vehicle, lol...

mayf

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Sat Apr 11 14:07:34 2009
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:07:34 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Loring Timing Association Website
Message-ID: <c04.5b1cdd56.37125286@aol.com>

This is the address ( below) for the Loring Timing Association and  
information for our event to be held in August this year.We recommend  reading  all 
the info available, and we hope it answers enough  questions.  Pre 
Registrations can be submitted now, or if you are  unfamiliar with Land Speed Racing 
, you can first order a Rulebook which has  most of what info  you need to 
prepare to attend and run your vehicle. 
We will soon also add a Aerial based map picture of the site to familiarize 
 everybody with the facility. 
We will also add a News icon for regular updates on available  
accommodations and dining facilities in the area.
Directions are also forthcoming .
In the meantime, have patience if we've forgotten anything or confused an  
issue, we will straighten it all out very shortly. 
We thank all of you that kept the faith waiting and watching our  progress.
 We again  openly thank our Mentors at The ECTA for their ongoing  help , 
this probably could not have been done without them. And if it's a  failure, 
blame them. LOL.
Bob W, LTA,  Co Conspirator at Large 
 
 
_http://www.lta-lsr.com/_ (http://www.lta-lsr.com/) 
 

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From lgmcafee at cvalley.net  Tue Apr 14 08:49:53 2009
From: lgmcafee at cvalley.net (Larry McAfee)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:49:53 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] air compressor
Message-ID: <BE6852759D1646EE8F3EEC394CFC17C2@Macattack>

I am in the market for a new air compressor. I now have a 5hp 2 stage that
does a good job but would like to have one a little larger ( 7 1/2 to 10 hp)
range. This would need to be single phase. A while back It's seems like
someone was talking about a compressor that was quieter and turned at about
half speed. I can't seem to find it on the net does anybody have any
information on the brand. What brand do you like??
 Larry Mac

From joetimney at dol.net  Tue Apr 14 12:01:33 2009
From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:01:33 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] air compressor
In-Reply-To: <BE6852759D1646EE8F3EEC394CFC17C2@Macattack>
References: <BE6852759D1646EE8F3EEC394CFC17C2@Macattack>
Message-ID: <49E4CF7D.5090809@dol.net>

Larry,
Try www.greg*smith*equipment.com/

It is so quiet I can talk on the phone near it. Pump turns about 800 rpm.
Champion 5V80E 5.0 HP 1,800 RPM Air Compressor

	
	  	

		
	
*Features*
# 70/30 Duty Cycle
# High Profile Fin Design on Cylinders and Heads
# Pressure Relief Valves
# Large Flywheel Blades for Maximum Cooling
# Two-Stage Splash Lubricated Pumps
# Manual Tank Drain
# Automatic Start/Stop Operation
# Oil Level Site Glass
# Capable of Pressures up to 175 PSIG
# Totally Enclosed Belt Guard
# Heavy Duty Inlet Filter Silencers
# ASME Code Receivers
# 2 year warranty on unit package
# 1 year warranty on valves & belts


joe
Larry McAfee wrote:
> I am in the market for a new air compressor. I now have a 5hp 2 stage that
> does a good job but would like to have one a little larger ( 7 1/2 to 10 hp)
> range. This would need to be single phase. A while back It's seems like
> someone was talking about a compressor that was quieter and turned at about
> half speed. I can't seem to find it on the net does anybody have any
> information on the brand. What brand do you like??
>  Larry Mac

From joetimney at dol.net  Tue Apr 14 14:06:46 2009
From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:06:46 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] [SPAM] Re:   air compressor
In-Reply-To: <W3361590410561239733649@webmail1>
References: <W3361590410561239733649@webmail1>
Message-ID: <49E4ECD6.90100@dol.net>

Ed,

Sorry...it threw in the asterisks.          www.*gregsmith*equipment.com/

Ed Van Scoy wrote:
> Are you sure about that link...... It didn't work for me.
> Ed
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* Joe Timney [mailto:joetimney at dol.net]
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:01 AM
>     *To:* 'Larry McAfee'
>     *Cc:* 'land speed'
>     *Subject:* Re: [Land-speed] air compressor
>
>     Larry, Try www.greg*smith*equipment.com/ It is so quiet I can talk
>     on the phone near it. Pump turns about 800 rpm. Champion 5V80E 5.0
>     HP 1,800 RPM Air Compressor *Features* # 70/30 Duty Cycle # High
>     Profile Fin Design on Cylinders and Heads # Pressure Relief Valves
>     # Large Flywheel Blades for Maximum Cooling # Two-Stage Splash
>     Lubricated Pumps # Manual Tank Drain # Automatic Start/Stop
>     Operation # Oil Level Site Glass # Capable of Pressures up to 175
>     PSIG # Totally Enclosed Belt Guard # Heavy Duty Inlet Filter
>     Silencers # ASME Code Receivers # 2 year warranty on unit package
>     # 1 year warranty on valves & belts joe Larry McAfee wrote: > I am
>     in the market for a new air compressor. I now have a 5hp 2 stage
>     that > does a good job but would like to have one a little larger
>     ( 7 1/2 to 10 hp) > range. This would need to be single phase. A
>     while back It's seems like > someone was talking about a
>     compressor that was quieter and turned at about > half speed. I
>     can't seem to find it on the net does anybody have any >
>     information on the brand. What brand do you like?? > Larry Mac
>     _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net
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From saltfevr at q.com  Tue Apr 14 15:29:15 2009
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:29:15 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] [SPAM] Re:   air compressor
In-Reply-To: <49E4ECD6.90100@dol.net>
References: <W3361590410561239733649@webmail1> <49E4ECD6.90100@dol.net>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W7805F3EBDC3C91DD1BBC6C97C0@phx.gbl>

Joe;



Did you mean:

http://www.gregsmithequipment.com

Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah




> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:06:46 -0500
> From: joetimney at dol.net
> To: ed at vetteracing.com; land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] [SPAM] Re: air compressor
>
> Ed,
>
> Sorry...it threw in the asterisks. www.*gregsmith*equipment.com/
>
> Ed Van Scoy wrote:
> > Are you sure about that link...... It didn't work for me.
> > Ed
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* Joe Timney [mailto:joetimney at dol.net]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:01 AM
> > *To:* 'Larry McAfee'
> > *Cc:* 'land speed'
> > *Subject:* Re: [Land-speed] air compressor
> >
> > Larry, Try www.greg*smith*equipment.com/ It is so quiet I can talk
> > on the phone near it. Pump turns about 800 rpm. Champion 5V80E 5.0
> > HP 1,800 RPM Air Compressor *Features* # 70/30 Duty Cycle # High
> > Profile Fin Design on Cylinders and Heads # Pressure Relief Valves
> > # Large Flywheel Blades for Maximum Cooling # Two-Stage Splash
> > Lubricated Pumps # Manual Tank Drain # Automatic Start/Stop
> > Operation # Oil Level Site Glass # Capable of Pressures up to 175
> > PSIG # Totally Enclosed Belt Guard # Heavy Duty Inlet Filter
> > Silencers # ASME Code Receivers # 2 year warranty on unit package
> > # 1 year warranty on valves & belts joe Larry McAfee wrote: > I am
> > in the market for a new air compressor. I now have a 5hp 2 stage
> > that > does a good job but would like to have one a little larger
> > ( 7 1/2 to 10 hp) > range. This would need to be single phase. A
> > while back It's seems like > someone was talking about a
> > compressor that was quieter and turned at about > half speed. I
> > can't seem to find it on the net does anybody have any >
> > information on the brand. What brand do you like?? > Larry Mac
> > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net
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From lgmcafee at cvalley.net  Tue Apr 14 16:41:36 2009
From: lgmcafee at cvalley.net (Larry McAfee)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:41:36 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] air compressor
References: <BE6852759D1646EE8F3EEC394CFC17C2@Macattack>
	<015501c9bd21$639c5510$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <C34541A07993485F8E3A8972657981E2@Macattack>

Doug I would think 80 gal. but I could pipe up another tank if I wanted. I 
think Eaton was the compressor I was thinking about.
Thanks
Larry Mac
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
To: "Larry McAfee" <lgmcafee at cvalley.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] air compressor


> Larry, What size tank? The tank size is just aas important as the 
> compressor hp. Doug
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry McAfee" <lgmcafee at cvalley.net>
> To: "land speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:49 AM
> Subject: [Land-speed] air compressor
>
>
>>I am in the market for a new air compressor. I now have a 5hp 2 stage that
>> does a good job but would like to have one a little larger ( 7 1/2 to 10 
>> hp)
>> range. This would need to be single phase. A while back It's seems like
>> someone was talking about a compressor that was quieter and turned at 
>> about
>> half speed. I can't seem to find it on the net does anybody have any
>> information on the brand. What brand do you like??
>> Larry Mac

From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Apr 16 00:10:29 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:10:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Air Compressor
Message-ID: <000d01c9be5a$0b5d0770$22171650$@net>

I know Kaeser and Ingersoll Rand both make a screw type air compressor. As
far as efficiency and QUIETNESS you will not find anything better than a
screw type air compressor. However, the penalty is cost. They are the most
expensive of any compressor technology.

 

Does anyone on the list run a screw compressor? Do you feel it was worth it?
Any comments? Any choice of brands? 

  -Elon

From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Apr 16 19:27:20 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:27:20 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] BobHarris000Homepage
Message-ID: <01d401c9befb$a79db890$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Check out this old racer.


http://www.tamsoldracecarsite.net/BobHarris000Homepage.html

From saltfevr at q.com  Thu Apr 16 20:05:42 2009
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:05:42 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] BobHarris000Homepage
In-Reply-To: <01d401c9befb$a79db890$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <01d401c9befb$a79db890$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W22E4D0C268F087C65B7607C97B0@phx.gbl>

Doug;



Thanks for the vintage road race link!!Great pictures & memories.

Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah




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> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:27:20 -0700
> Subject: [Land-speed] BobHarris000Homepage
>
> Check out this old racer.
>
>
> http://www.tamsoldracecarsite.net/BobHarris000Homepage.html
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From dmirror3 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 16 20:33:55 2009
From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:33:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] BobHarris000Homepage
In-Reply-To: <01d401c9befb$a79db890$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <922733.41270.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Great stuff, hard to believe that anyone could have survived that crash. Tams is a great website for all of us who enjoyed roadracing back in the day. Good find Doug

Dale
Cleveland Oh
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--- On Thu, 4/16/09, Doug Odom <dlodom at charter.net> wrote:
From: Doug Odom <dlodom at charter.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] BobHarris000Homepage
To: "landspeed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 9:27 PM

Check out this old racer.


http://www.tamsoldracecarsite.net/BobHarris000Homepage.html
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Fri Apr 17 00:31:49 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:31:49 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
Message-ID: <002e01c9bf26$30f07fe0$92d17fa0$@net>

There are many Plexiglas windscreens in LSR. That material is always at risk
of cracking when drilling. To lower the risk you never drill it cold, always
ensure it is warm first. The video shows why a drill causes a cracking
problem and how to modify it to lower the risk.
http://www.eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html?videoId=19802261001

 

   -Elon

From v4gr at rcn.com  Fri Apr 17 07:09:15 2009
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:09:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
References: <002e01c9bf26$30f07fe0$92d17fa0$@net>
Message-ID: <891768F80A824EF3A74FA659F4501F29@your55e5f9e3d2>

Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving. When drilling 
Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well.  RF
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirkwood" <saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "land-speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:31 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass


> There are many Plexiglas windscreens in LSR. That material is always at 
> risk
> of cracking when drilling. To lower the risk you never drill it cold, 
> always
> ensure it is warm first. The video shows why a drill causes a cracking
> problem and how to modify it to lower the risk.
> http://www.eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html?videoId=19802261001
>
>
>
>   -Elon
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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 17 08:03:18 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:03:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
Message-ID: <22530078.1239976998626.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe "Lexan" (GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) is allowed as Rich says.
>
>Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving. When drilling 
>Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well.  RF
>----- Original Message ----- 
>
>
>
>> There are many Plexiglas windscreens in LSR. That material is always at 
>> risk
>> of cracking when drilling. To lower the risk you never drill it cold, 
>> always
>> ensure it is warm first. The video shows why a drill causes a cracking
>> problem and how to modify it to lower the risk.
>> http://www.eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html?videoId=19802261001
>>
>>
>>
>>   -Elon
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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Apr 17 10:04:37 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:04:37 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
In-Reply-To: <22530078.1239976998626.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.s
	a.earthlink.net>
References: <22530078.1239976998626.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20090417170335.C3FA6187870@autox.team.net>

JD,
Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any 
plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much 
more forgiving.

Thanks,
Skip


At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe 
>"Lexan" (GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) 
>is allowed as Rich says.
> >
> >Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving. 
> When drilling
> >Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well.  RF
> >----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> >
> >> There are many Plexiglas windscreens in LSR. That material is always at
> >> risk
> >> of cracking when drilling. To lower the risk you never drill it cold,
> >> always
> >> ensure it is warm first. The video shows why a drill causes a cracking
> >> problem and how to modify it to lower the risk.
> >> http://www.eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html?videoId=19802261001
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   -Elon
> >> _______________________________________________
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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Apr 17 10:05:28 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:05:28 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
Message-ID: <20090417170426.61302187870@autox.team.net>

JD,
Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any 
plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much 
more forgiving.

Thanks,
Skip


At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe 
>"Lexan" (GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) 
>is allowed as Rich says.
> >
> >Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving. 
> When drilling
> >Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well.  RF
> >----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> >
> >> There are many Plexiglas windscreens in LSR. That material is always at
> >> risk
> >> of cracking when drilling. To lower the risk you never drill it cold,
> >> always
> >> ensure it is warm first. The video shows why a drill causes a cracking
> >> problem and how to modify it to lower the risk.
> >> http://www.eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html?videoId=19802261001

From v4gr at rcn.com  Fri Apr 17 10:17:58 2009
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:17:58 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
References: <22530078.1239976998626.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<20090417170335.C3FA6187870@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <F87AC20903224E65AF0E3D6657147A8A@your55e5f9e3d2>

My 2008 book (new book not here YET) says "All non-stock windows and 
windshields shall be made of shatter-resistant plastic, such as 
polycarbonate (Lexan)---. Since Plexiglas is a cast Acrylic and is very much 
not Shatter resistant I believe this rules it's use out.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: "James Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass


> JD,
> Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any 
> plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much more 
> forgiving.
>
> Thanks,
> Skip
>
>
> At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>>I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe "Lexan" 
>>(GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) is allowed as 
>>Rich says.
>> >
>> >Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving.
>> When drilling
>> >Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well. 
>> >RF
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> There are many Plexiglas windscreens in LSR. That material is always 
>> >> at
>> >> risk
>> >> of cracking when drilling. To lower the risk you never drill it cold,
>> >> always
>> >> ensure it is warm first. The video shows why a drill causes a cracking
>> >> problem and how to modify it to lower the risk.
>> >> http://www.eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html?videoId=19802261001
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>   -Elon
>> >> _______________________________________________
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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Apr 17 11:07:10 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:07:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
In-Reply-To: <F87AC20903224E65AF0E3D6657147A8A@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <22530078.1239976998626.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<20090417170335.C3FA6187870@autox.team.net>
	<F87AC20903224E65AF0E3D6657147A8A@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <20090417180609.6E5A418766C@autox.team.net>

Rich,
I think that if Plexiglas not allowed, then the rulebook (I haven't 
received mine yet either) should specifically point that out. And not 
leave it up to interpretation. How does one judge what "shatter 
resistant" really is? Acrylics are plastics.
Skip (My canopy is of LEXAN in any case)




At 09:17 AM 4/17/2009, Rich Fox wrote:
>My 2008 book (new book not here YET) says "All non-stock windows and 
>windshields shall be made of shatter-resistant plastic, such as 
>polycarbonate (Lexan)---. Since Plexiglas is a cast Acrylic and is 
>very much not Shatter resistant I believe this rules it's use out.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
>To: "James Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:04 AM
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
>
>
>>JD,
>>Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any 
>>plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much 
>>more forgiving.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Skip
>>
>>
>>At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe 
>>>"Lexan" (GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) 
>>>is allowed as Rich says.
>>> >
>>> >Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving.
>>>When drilling
>>> >Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well. >RF
>>> >----- Original Message -----

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Apr 17 11:13:08 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:13:08 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Plexiglass
Message-ID: <20090417181205.09B1B187653@autox.team.net>

Rich,
I think that if Plexiglas not allowed, then the rulebook (I haven't 
received mine yet either) should specifically point that out. And not 
leave it up to interpretation. How does one judge what "shatter 
resistant" really is? Acrylics are plastics.
Skip (My canopy is of LEXAN in any case)




At 09:17 AM 4/17/2009, Rich Fox wrote:
>My 2008 book (new book not here YET) says "All non-stock windows and 
>windshields shall be made of shatter-resistant plastic, such as 
>polycarbonate (Lexan)---. Since Plexiglas is a cast Acrylic and is 
>very much not Shatter resistant I believe this rules it's use out.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
>To: "James Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:04 AM
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
>
>
>>JD,
>>Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any 
>>plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much 
>>more forgiving.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Skip
>>
>>
>>At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe 
>>>"Lexan" (GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) 
>>>is allowed as Rich says.

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Fri Apr 17 12:31:00 2009
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:31:00 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
Message-ID: <016284B81A8B4CFDA8DF280047840E1F@john>

I've drilled quite a bit of the stuff . If the drill goes into fresh wood 
every hole and the plexi is clamped to the wood it can't grab as it breaks 
through .



> There are many Plexiglas windscreens in LSR. That material is always at 
> risk
> of cracking when drilling. To lower the risk you never drill it cold, 
> always
> ensure it is warm first. The video shows why a drill causes a cracking
> problem and how to modify it to lower the risk.
> http://www.eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html?videoId=19802261001
>
>
>
>   -Elon
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From v4gr at rcn.com  Fri Apr 17 14:15:54 2009
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:15:54 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
References: <22530078.1239976998626.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<20090417170335.C3FA6187870@autox.team.net>
	<F87AC20903224E65AF0E3D6657147A8A@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<200904171707.JCN75668@mr13.lnh.mail.rcn.net>
Message-ID: <DAF97860932649A09C273A48105A09E5@your55e5f9e3d2>

Skip;   I don't think that the rule is quite that open to interpitation. 
"Shatter-resistant" clearly excludes any cast acrylic plastic. Whether it be 
Plexiglas or some other manufactures product. I believe the book suggests a 
polycarbonate such as GEs Lexan because that's the most common 
shatter-resistant plastic. But not the only one. If you have something else 
that's better, by all means use it. My 1977 rule book is almost word for 
word the same and I have always understood the meaning of the rule. It used 
to be odd that motorcycle windscreens could be Plexiglas and cars could not. 
I don't know what the motorcycle requirements are now.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>; "James Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass


> Rich,
> I think that if Plexiglas not allowed, then the rulebook (I haven't 
> received mine yet either) should specifically point that out. And not 
> leave it up to interpretation. How does one judge what "shatter resistant" 
> really is? Acrylics are plastics.
> Skip (My canopy is of LEXAN in any case)
>
>
>
>
> At 09:17 AM 4/17/2009, Rich Fox wrote:
>>My 2008 book (new book not here YET) says "All non-stock windows and 
>>windshields shall be made of shatter-resistant plastic, such as 
>>polycarbonate (Lexan)---. Since Plexiglas is a cast Acrylic and is very 
>>much not Shatter resistant I believe this rules it's use out.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Higginbotham" 
>><saltrat at pahrump.com>
>>To: "James Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:04 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
>>
>>
>>>JD,
>>>Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any 
>>>plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much more 
>>>forgiving.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Skip
>>>
>>>
>>>At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>>I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe "Lexan" 
>>>>(GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) is allowed as 
>>>>Rich says.
>>>> >
>>>> >Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving.
>>>>When drilling
>>>> >Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well. 
>>>> > >RF
>>>> >----- Original Message -----

From Saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Apr 17 14:19:28 2009
From: Saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:19:28 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Rulebook
Message-ID: <20090417211826.34B0118764E@autox.team.net>

Got my rule book today. How 'bout you Rich?

Skip

From ed at vetteracing.com  Fri Apr 17 15:24:04 2009
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:24:04 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Rulebook
Message-ID: <W340225327166561240003444@webmail11>

I got my "tube" last week, but no rulebook......
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Skip Higginbotham [mailto:Saltrat at pahrump.com]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 01:19 PM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] Rulebook

Got my rule book today. How 'bout you Rich? Skip

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Apr 17 15:47:05 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:47:05 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Rule book
In-Reply-To: <W340225327166561240003444@webmail11>
References: <W340225327166561240003444@webmail11>
Message-ID: <20090417224613.D7E0C187653@autox.team.net>

I guess that one has to become a "club" member to get a rulebook 
sooner than a month from the pre-entry deadline. Is there a SCTA-BNI 
club for "Bonneville only" racers? Other than the 200 MPH Club.
Skip




  Ed Van Scoy wrote:
>I got my "tube" last week, but no rulebook......
>Ed
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Skip Higginbotham [mailto:Saltrat at pahrump.com]
>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 01:19 PM
>To: land-speed at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Land-speed] Rulebook
>
>Got my rule book today. How 'bout you Rich? Skip

From v4gr at rcn.com  Fri Apr 17 16:18:09 2009
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:18:09 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Rulebook
References: <20090417211826.34B0118764E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <27D46B27CA26460C88C6676D8A2CC78C@your55e5f9e3d2>

Mail is not here yet. For some reason BNI members do seem to be on the end 
of the list. I guess that's why it's the SC  TA and not the AllOver   TA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Rulebook


> Got my rule book today. How 'bout you Rich?
>
> Skip
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri Apr 17 16:33:05 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:33:05 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
In-Reply-To: <20090417180609.6E5A418766C@autox.team.net>
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I suspect they meant to rule out glass..........

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Skip Higginbotham
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:07 AM
To: Rich Fox; James Tone; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass

Rich,
I think that if Plexiglas not allowed, then the rulebook (I haven't 
received mine yet either) should specifically point that out. And not 
leave it up to interpretation. How does one judge what "shatter 
resistant" really is? Acrylics are plastics.
Skip (My canopy is of LEXAN in any case)




At 09:17 AM 4/17/2009, Rich Fox wrote:
>My 2008 book (new book not here YET) says "All non-stock windows and 
>windshields shall be made of shatter-resistant plastic, such as 
>polycarbonate (Lexan)---. Since Plexiglas is a cast Acrylic and is 
>very much not Shatter resistant I believe this rules it's use out.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Higginbotham"
<saltrat at pahrump.com>
>To: "James Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:04 AM
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
>
>
>>JD,
>>Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any 
>>plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much 
>>more forgiving.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Skip
>>
>>
>>At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe 
>>>"Lexan" (GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) 
>>>is allowed as Rich says.
>>> >
>>> >Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving.
>>>When drilling
>>> >Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well.
>RF
>>> >----- Original Message -----
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From jdincau at qnet.com  Fri Apr 17 16:37:50 2009
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:37:50 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Rulebook
In-Reply-To: <27D46B27CA26460C88C6676D8A2CC78C@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <20090417211826.34B0118764E@autox.team.net>
	<27D46B27CA26460C88C6676D8A2CC78C@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <CD216380D9124A07BFA42B275E6EB375@denpc>

     I got my tube last week with no rule book. I got my rule book from BNI 
yesterday. I haven't seen the rule book I get from the SCTA via the SDRC 
yet. Perhaps this weekend at the duty drawing meeting. We are a cheap club 
and like to save on postage whenever we can.
Jim in Palmdale


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Rulebook


> Mail is not here yet. For some reason BNI members do seem to be on the end 
> of the list. I guess that's why it's the SC  TA and not the AllOver   TA
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:19 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Rulebook
>
>
>> Got my rule book today. How 'bout you Rich?
>>
>> Skip
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From jdincau at qnet.com  Fri Apr 17 16:39:12 2009
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:39:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Rulebook
In-Reply-To: <27D46B27CA26460C88C6676D8A2CC78C@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <20090417211826.34B0118764E@autox.team.net>
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    I got my tube last week with no rule book. I got my rule book from BNI
yesterday. I haven't seen the rule book I get from the SCTA via the SDRC
yet. Perhaps this weekend at the duty drawing meeting. We are a cheap club
and like to save on postage whenever we can.
Jim in Palmdale

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 17 18:24:39 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:24:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
References: <200904171205.1lUQzd4233Nl34g1@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf>

    I do not believe "plexiglass" has ever been sold as shatter 
resistant...I see the word SHALL and that's postive enough for me. IMO, I do 
not believe its open for interpretation.



>
> JD,
> Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any 
> plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much more 
> forgiving.
>
> Thanks,
> Skip
>
>
> At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>>I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe "Lexan" 
>>(GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) is allowed as 
>>Rich says.
>> >
>> >Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving.
>> When drilling
>> >Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well. 
>> >RF
>> >----- Original Message -----

From ed at vetteracing.com  Fri Apr 17 18:50:17 2009
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:50:17 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Rule book
Message-ID: <W155322440286871240015817@webmail32>

If you belong to BNI, you get a rule book along with the other "goody package"
I am also an SCTA Club Member and would have a rulebook thru them, except as a
"commuter member" I don't go to the monthly meetings, just EM and B'ville.....
But to answer your question, the rulebook has generally come inside th poster
tube to BNI members.....
Ed


-----Original Message-----
From: Skip Higginbotham [mailto:saltrat at pahrump.com]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 02:47 PM
To: 'Ed Van Scoy', land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Rule book



I guess that one has to become a "club" member to get a rulebook sooner than a
month from the pre-entry deadline. Is there a SCTA-BNI club for "Bonneville
only" racers? Other than the 200 MPH Club.
Skip




 Ed Van Scoy wrote:
I got my "tube" last week, but no rulebook......
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Skip Higginbotham [mailto:Saltrat at pahrump.com]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 01:19 PM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] Rulebook

Got my rule book today. How 'bout you Rich? Skip

From karhu at california.com  Fri Apr 17 18:59:26 2009
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:59:26 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
References: <200904171205.1lUQzd4233Nl34g1@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <7D26001A1C1B4210A3DFB2EA8831600A@BennsDesktop>

Didn't fighter jets use plexi almost forever in the old days?  (And I got my 
"tube" o' goodies, but no rule book, FWIW).
Benn


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass


>    I do not believe "plexiglass" has ever been sold as shatter 
> resistant...I see the word SHALL and that's postive enough for me. IMO, I 
> do not believe its open for interpretation.
>
>
>
>>
>> JD,
>> Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any 
>> plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much more 
>> forgiving.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe "Lexan" 
>>>(GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) is allowed as 
>>>Rich says.
>>> >
>>> >Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving.
>>> When drilling
>>> >Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well. 
>>> >RF
>>> >----- Original Message -----
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From daw1 at comcast.net  Fri Apr 17 19:07:53 2009
From: daw1 at comcast.net (daw1 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:07:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
In-Reply-To: <5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf>
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Do a simple test with both plexiglass and polycarbonate. Lay a 1/4 thick piece
of each on a concrete floor and hitB each with a hammer. You won't want
plexiglass in your race car after you see the results.B  dw
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
To: land-speed at autox.team.net, "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:24:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass

B B  B I do not believe "plexiglass" has ever been sold as shatter
resistant...I see the word SHALL and that's postive enough for me. IMO, I do
not believe its open for interpretation.



>
> JD,
> Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any
> plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much more
> forgiving.
>
> Thanks,
> Skip
>
>
> At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>>I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe "Lexan"
>>(GE Patent) B cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) is allowed as
>>Rich says.
>> >
>> >Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving.
>> When drilling
>> >Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well.
>> >RF
>> >----- Original Message -----
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri Apr 17 19:30:15 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:30:15 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
References: <200904171205.1lUQzd4233Nl34g1@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <47F9C43E83FF4462BC2BFD0791843A48@Glens>

I agree with JD. Have cleaned up lots of it on the salt. Anything with Glass 
must have film to keep it from shattering. Like window tint film. They sell 
a lot at the autoparts store in Wendover.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass


>    I do not believe "plexiglass" has ever been sold as shatter 
> resistant...I see the word SHALL and that's postive enough for me. IMO, I 
> do not believe its open for interpretation.
>
>
>
>>
>> JD,
>> Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any 
>> plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much more 
>> forgiving.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe "Lexan" 
>>>(GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) is allowed as 
>>>Rich says.
>>> >
>>> >Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving.
>>> When drilling
>>> >Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well. 
>>> >RF
>>> >----- Original Message -----
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From v4gr at rcn.com  Fri Apr 17 20:24:00 2009
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:24:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Rule book
References: <W155322440286871240015817@webmail32>
Message-ID: <65491D5FFB964A97B4C0CAFAD0855454@your55e5f9e3d2>

Not mine or many others who have already posted.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>
To: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>; "Ed Van Scoy" 
<ed at vetteracing.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Rule book


> If you belong to BNI, you get a rule book along with the other "goody 
> package"
> I am also an SCTA Club Member and would have a rulebook thru them, except 
> as a
> "commuter member" I don't go to the monthly meetings, just EM and 
> B'ville.....
> But to answer your question, the rulebook has generally come inside th 
> poster
> tube to BNI members.....
> Ed
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Skip Higginbotham [mailto:saltrat at pahrump.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 02:47 PM
> To: 'Ed Van Scoy', land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Rule book
>
>
>
> I guess that one has to become a "club" member to get a rulebook sooner 
> than a
> month from the pre-entry deadline. Is there a SCTA-BNI club for 
> "Bonneville
> only" racers? Other than the 200 MPH Club.
> Skip
>
>
>
>
> Ed Van Scoy wrote:
> I got my "tube" last week, but no rulebook......
> Ed
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Skip Higginbotham [mailto:Saltrat at pahrump.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 01:19 PM
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] Rulebook
>
> Got my rule book today. How 'bout you Rich? Skip
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From v4gr at rcn.com  Fri Apr 17 20:37:17 2009
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:37:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
References: <200904171205.1lUQzd4233Nl34g1@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net><5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf>
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I don't know about "The old days" but going back 45 years every airplane I 
worked on had Lexan windows. The short answer to this question is,  Don' use 
Plexiglas. The rules tell you not to. Inspectors will tell you so if they 
know you did. And it's bad to use for this. Would you use plate glass for 
your front door.? Or windshield? No, that's why they have laminated safety 
plate and tempered glass.  An aside, once in the Army somebody decided we 
should take a 50 caliber machine gun and give everybody a few shots into the 
dessert. Someone brought a thick piece of "Bullet proof Glass" which I think 
was Lexan and came out of some aircraft. It was propped up about 25 yards in 
front of the Browning and a round touched off. Pretty much disappeared. I 
guess the "bullet proof" nomenclature was just for building confidence.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass


> Didn't fighter jets use plexi almost forever in the old days?  (And I got 
> my "tube" o' goodies, but no rule book, FWIW).
> Benn
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
>
>
>>    I do not believe "plexiglass" has ever been sold as shatter 
>> resistant...I see the word SHALL and that's postive enough for me. IMO, I 
>> do not believe its open for interpretation.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> JD,
>>> Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any 
>>> plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much more 
>>> forgiving.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Skip
>>>
>>>
>>> At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>>>>I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not allowed. I believe "Lexan" 
>>>>(GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain Polycarbonates (SP?) is allowed as 
>>>>Rich says.
>>>> >
>>>> >Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving.
>>>> When drilling
>>>> >Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills. Works well. 
>>>> >RF
>>>> >----- Original Message -----
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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>>
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>>
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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 17 22:17:38 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:17:38 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Rule book
References: <W155322440286871240015817@webmail32>
	<65491D5FFB964A97B4C0CAFAD0855454@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <563A09F650DB4AB082E2D169D5C6370D@mydf7618c59bbf>

A rule book came in my tube last week. Tomorrow night I will get my SCTA one 
at our SDRC Meeting. My sons tube did not have one. JD
----- Original Message ----- 
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Rule book


>
>
>> If you belong to BNI, you get a rule book along with the other "goody 
>> package"
>> I am also an SCTA Club Member and would have a rulebook thru them, except 
>> as a
>> "commuter member" I don't go to the monthly meetings, just EM and 
>> B'ville.....
>> But to answer your question, the rulebook has generally come inside th 
>> poster
>> tube to BNI members.....
>> Ed

From saltfever at comcast.net  Fri Apr 17 23:59:12 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:59:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
Message-ID: <000301c9bfea$cdba4940$692edbc0$@net>

Thanks to everyone for all the responses. I was so focused on providing a
neat fabrication trick I forgot the material was irrelevant for LSR. The
collective wisdom has saved me and possibly others from an expensive
mistake.  -Elon 

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Apr 18 02:14:50 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:14:50 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Rule book
In-Reply-To: <20090417224613.D7E0C187653@autox.team.net>
References: <W340225327166561240003444@webmail11>
	<20090417224613.D7E0C187653@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <49E98BFA.3020208@wildblue.net>

If you just want a rule book, I get them quick
from USFRA.

Bryan


Skip Higginbotham wrote:
> I guess that one has to become a "club" member to get a rulebook 
> sooner than a month from the pre-entry deadline. Is there a SCTA-BNI 
> club for "Bonneville only" racers? Other than the 200 MPH Club.
> Skip

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Apr 18 02:21:02 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:21:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
In-Reply-To: <1535944579.3686781240016873889.JavaMail.root@sz0043a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1535944579.3686781240016873889.JavaMail.root@sz0043a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <49E98D6E.3060306@wildblue.net>

WEAR SAFETY GLASSES!   Bryan



daw1 at comcast.net wrote:
> Do a simple test with both plexiglass and polycarbonate. Lay a 1/4 thick piece
> of each on a concrete floor and hitB each with a hammer. You won't want
> plexiglass in your race car after you see the results.B  dw
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net, "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:24:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
>
> B B  B I do not believe "plexiglass" has ever been sold as shatter
> resistant...I see the word SHALL and that's postive enough for me. IMO, I do
> not believe its open for interpretation.

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Apr 18 02:21:54 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:21:54 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
In-Reply-To: <1535944579.3686781240016873889.JavaMail.root@sz0043a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1535944579.3686781240016873889.JavaMail.root@sz0043a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <49E98DA2.9060505@wildblue.net>

WEAR SAFETY GLASSES!   Bryan



daw1 at comcast.net wrote:
> Do a simple test with both plexiglass and polycarbonate. Lay a 1/4 thick piece
> of each on a concrete floor and hitB each with a hammer. You won't want
> plexiglass in your race car after you see the results.B  dw

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Apr 17 19:34:38 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:34:38 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
In-Reply-To: <50041DACFB664E3D938C7098D448C99D@DBTech>
References: <22530078.1239976998626.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<20090417170335.C3FA6187870@autox.team.net>
	<F87AC20903224E65AF0E3D6657147A8A@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<20090417180609.6E5A418766C@autox.team.net>
	<50041DACFB664E3D938C7098D448C99D@DBTech>
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I suspect that you are correct Neil. But then..........

Skip




At 03:33 PM 4/17/2009, neil at dbelltech.com wrote:
>I suspect they meant to rule out glass..........
>
>Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

From saltfever at comcast.net  Sat Apr 18 03:57:36 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:57:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
Message-ID: <000001c9c00c$1a9dcea0$4fd96be0$@net>

Plexiglas was the material invented during the war and was universally used
to replace glass in all bomber windows and fighters. Lexan was patented in
1955. Plexiglas is what is used is all general aviation aircraft today. That
was the point of the video on the EAA (Experimental Aircraft Assoc) site.
Drilling Plexiglas windshields is one of the most daunting tasks a
homebuilder faces when constructing aircraft. I have been trying to research
the properties of both Lexan and Plexiglas to determine why the preference
in aviation. The weight is similar. So far, all I have been able to
determine is that Plexiglas has excellent optical characteristics as well as
excellent weather and UV resistance. Since aircraft sit, unprotected in full
sun, that is probably one reason Plexiglas is the material of choice. Lexan,
even treated with a UV inhibitor, suffers from UV degradation and scratches
more easily. Even though Lexan is generally 2 to 3x more expensive, that
should not be a determent in aviation. All of the aviation websites use
Plexiglas for replacement windshields. Here is a link to aircraft spruce
that sells many cleaners for Plexiglas windshields.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cs/plexiglascleaners.html 

I agree the properties of Lexan make it far superior for LSR and the
material that must be used.  

-Elon  (tube arrived on 4/14 but no rule book).

 

From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>

I don't know about "The old days" but going back 45 years every airplane I
worked on had Lexan windows. 

From v4gr at rcn.com  Sat Apr 18 06:58:06 2009
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 05:58:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
References: <000001c9c00c$1a9dcea0$4fd96be0$@net>
Message-ID: <CD6747268CD343FAAC8B54B44EACA468@your55e5f9e3d2>

Airplanes I worked on tended to be more of the Heavy transport variety. 
Don't know about the little guys. I do know that people tend to call any 
clear plastic sheet "Plexiglas".
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirkwood" <saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "land-speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:57 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass


> Plexiglas was the material invented during the war and was universally 
> used
> to replace glass in all bomber windows and fighters. Lexan was patented in
> 1955. Plexiglas is what is used is all general aviation aircraft today. 
> That
> was the point of the video on the EAA (Experimental Aircraft Assoc) site.
> Drilling Plexiglas windshields is one of the most daunting tasks a
> homebuilder faces when constructing aircraft. I have been trying to 
> research
> the properties of both Lexan and Plexiglas to determine why the preference
> in aviation. The weight is similar. So far, all I have been able to
> determine is that Plexiglas has excellent optical characteristics as well 
> as
> excellent weather and UV resistance. Since aircraft sit, unprotected in 
> full
> sun, that is probably one reason Plexiglas is the material of choice. 
> Lexan,
> even treated with a UV inhibitor, suffers from UV degradation and 
> scratches
> more easily. Even though Lexan is generally 2 to 3x more expensive, that
> should not be a determent in aviation. All of the aviation websites use
> Plexiglas for replacement windshields. Here is a link to aircraft spruce
> that sells many cleaners for Plexiglas windshields.
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cs/plexiglascleaners.html
>
> I agree the properties of Lexan make it far superior for LSR and the
> material that must be used.
>
> -Elon  (tube arrived on 4/14 but no rule book).
>
>
>
> From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
>
> I don't know about "The old days" but going back 45 years every airplane I
> worked on had Lexan windows.
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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sat Apr 18 08:17:24 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:17:24 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lexan
In-Reply-To: <5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf>
References: <200904171205.1lUQzd4233Nl34g1@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <20090418151617.EA3F018764E@autox.team.net>

Well, it is pretty clear that for what we do, Lexan is the material 
of choice for windows/canopies. Easy to bend, drill, cut, clean (I 
use Plexus plastic cleaner), more shatter resistant than Plexiglas 
but needs more UV protection. What tricks are there for that? Having 
turned the protected side of the sheet towards the sun per 
directions, I still replace the canopy every 4-5 years due to 
crazing. Am I doing something wrong or is replacing it just something 
I have to do every so often?

Skip



At 05:24 PM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>    I do not believe "plexiglass" has ever been sold as shatter 
> resistant...I see the word SHALL and that's postive enough for me. 
> IMO, I do not believe its open for interpretation.
>
>
>
>>
>>JD,
>>Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any 
>>plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much 
>>more forgiving.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Skip

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sat Apr 18 09:08:44 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:08:44 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Lexan
In-Reply-To: <20090418151617.EA3F018764E@autox.team.net>
References: <200904171205.1lUQzd4233Nl34g1@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net><5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<20090418151617.EA3F018764E@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <6D87A69EA5364CE28469D0A6E3421B53@DaveSatellite>

You could keep a cover over it so it does not see any sun unless it needs 
to. Might keep the inside of the car cooler as well. You might also have a 
look at what the light aircraft guys do also..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Lexan


> Well, it is pretty clear that for what we do, Lexan is the material of 
> choice for windows/canopies. Easy to bend, drill, cut, clean (I use Plexus 
> plastic cleaner), more shatter resistant than Plexiglas but needs more UV 
> protection. What tricks are there for that? Having turned the protected 
> side of the sheet towards the sun per directions, I still replace the 
> canopy every 4-5 years due to crazing. Am I doing something wrong or is 
> replacing it just something I have to do every so often?
>
> Skip

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sat Apr 18 10:03:55 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:03:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lexan
In-Reply-To: <6D87A69EA5364CE28469D0A6E3421B53@DaveSatellite>
References: <200904171205.1lUQzd4233Nl34g1@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<20090418151617.EA3F018764E@autox.team.net>
	<6D87A69EA5364CE28469D0A6E3421B53@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <20090418170249.EB30A18764C@autox.team.net>

Thanks Dave, the only time the canopy sees sun is in line, on the run 
and returning to the pits. I will try to cover it when not on course. 
Am adding a cockpit ac unit this year so that may help as well. The 
light aircraft folks say that Plexus is the easiest and best cleaner 
with good UV protection. It may be as good as it gets already...........
Lexan XL has apparently the best UV protection. I got mine (Lexan) 
from Home Depot and don't think that it is "XL".

Skip


At 08:08 AM 4/18/2009, Dave Dahlgren wrote:
>You could keep a cover over it so it does not see any sun unless it 
>needs to. Might keep the inside of the car cooler as well. You might 
>also have a look at what the light aircraft guys do also..
>Dave
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
>To: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:17 AM
>Subject: [Land-speed] Lexan
>
>
>>Well, it is pretty clear that for what we do, Lexan is the material 
>>of choice for windows/canopies. Easy to bend, drill, cut, clean (I 
>>use Plexus plastic cleaner), more shatter resistant than Plexiglas 
>>but needs more UV protection. What tricks are there for that? 
>>Having turned the protected side of the sheet towards the sun per 
>>directions, I still replace the canopy every 4-5 years due to 
>>crazing. Am I doing something wrong or is replacing it just 
>>something I have to do every so often?

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Apr 18 10:23:33 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:23:33 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lexan
In-Reply-To: <20090418170249.EB30A18764C@autox.team.net>
References: <200904171205.1lUQzd4233Nl34g1@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<20090418151617.EA3F018764E@autox.team.net>
	<6D87A69EA5364CE28469D0A6E3421B53@DaveSatellite>
	<20090418170249.EB30A18764C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <49E9FE85.3060001@wildblue.net>

Something you might look at Skip is UV window film. I had it
put on my '89 T-Bird to eliminate sunburn while driving. It
worked.
Maybe a fresh piece every year would help protect the surface.

Bryan



Skip Higginbotham wrote:
> Thanks Dave, the only time the canopy sees sun is in line, on the run 
> and returning to the pits. I will try to cover it when not on course. 
> Am adding a cockpit ac unit this year so that may help as well. The 
> light aircraft folks say that Plexus is the easiest and best cleaner 
> with good UV protection. It may be as good as it gets already...........
> Lexan XL has apparently the best UV protection. I got mine (Lexan) 
> from Home Depot and don't think that it is "XL".
>
> Skip

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sat Apr 18 10:35:06 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:35:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lexan
In-Reply-To: <6D87A69EA5364CE28469D0A6E3421B53@DaveSatellite>
References: <200904171205.1lUQzd4233Nl34g1@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net><5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf><20090418151617.EA3F018764E@autox.team.net>
	<6D87A69EA5364CE28469D0A6E3421B53@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <524C10CCDF90462FB343446A6A2E59BD@DBTech>

Dave;

I remember from my old junior high shop class that there was another clear
plastic-- Lucite. Is it still around and is it really different from
Plexiglas or was it simply a trade name from another manufacturer?

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Dahlgren
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:09 AM
To: J.D. Tone; land-speed at autox.team.net; Skip Higginbotham
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Lexan

You could keep a cover over it so it does not see any sun unless it needs 
to. Might keep the inside of the car cooler as well. You might also have a 
look at what the light aircraft guys do also..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:17 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Lexan


> Well, it is pretty clear that for what we do, Lexan is the material of 
> choice for windows/canopies. Easy to bend, drill, cut, clean (I use Plexus

> plastic cleaner), more shatter resistant than Plexiglas but needs more UV 
> protection. What tricks are there for that? Having turned the protected 
> side of the sheet towards the sun per directions, I still replace the 
> canopy every 4-5 years due to crazing. Am I doing something wrong or is 
> replacing it just something I have to do every so often?
>
> Skip
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 18 10:53:30 2009
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:53:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
In-Reply-To: <7D26001A1C1B4210A3DFB2EA8831600A@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <632150.80184.qm@web52510.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Very rare for a fighter plane to leave bits of shattered plastic on the race
course.
 
DW

--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Benn <karhu at california.com> wrote:

From: Benn <karhu at california.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 5:59 PM

Didn't fighter jets use plexi almost forever in the old days?  (And I got my
"tube" o' goodies, but no rule book, FWIW).
Benn


----- Original Message ----- From: "J.D. Tone"
<gmc6power at earthlink.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Skip Higginbotham"
<saltrat at pahrump.com>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglass


>    I do not believe "plexiglass" has ever been sold as shatter
resistant...I see the word SHALL and that's postive enough for me. IMO, I do
not believe its open for interpretation.
>
>
>
>>
>> JD,
>> Paragraph 3.U suggests LEXAN but does not appear to disallow any
plastic..........to what do you refer? Rich is right, LEXAN is much more
forgiving.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Skip
>>
>>
>> At 07:03 AM 4/17/2009, you wrote:
>>> I'm not sure but I think "plexiglass" in not
allowed. I believe "Lexan" (GE Patent)  cast acrylic, or certain
Polycarbonates (SP?) is allowed as Rich says.
>>> >
>>> >Most windows in my car are Lexan which is much more forgiving.
>>> When drilling
>>> >Plexiglas (cast Acrylic) I use center or spotting drills.
Works well. >RF
>>> >----- Original Message -----
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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sat Apr 18 11:02:30 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:02:30 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Lexan
In-Reply-To: <524C10CCDF90462FB343446A6A2E59BD@DBTech>
References: <200904171205.1lUQzd4233Nl34g1@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net><5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf><20090418151617.EA3F018764E@autox.team.net>
	<6D87A69EA5364CE28469D0A6E3421B53@DaveSatellite>
	<524C10CCDF90462FB343446A6A2E59BD@DBTech>
Message-ID: <AF61BC46E852482AA4BA7266358BB798@DaveSatellite>

Back then more worried about pistons and rods..LOL Paint was optional as the 
cars did not last enough to worry about it..LOL I only knew about 2 kinds of 
windows.. broken and not as well.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: "'Dave Dahlgren'" <ddahlgren at snet.net>; "'J.D. Tone'" 
<gmc6power at earthlink.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "'Skip 
Higginbotham'" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Lexan


> Dave;
>
> I remember from my old junior high shop class that there was another clear
> plastic-- Lucite. Is it still around and is it really different from
> Plexiglas or was it simply a trade name from another manufacturer?
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

From wayneyeats at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 18 11:07:21 2009
From: wayneyeats at yahoo.com (Wayne Yeats)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:07:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Plexiglass
Message-ID: <549156.88545.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Neil, if I recall correctly Lucite is just another brand name for Plexiglass. They are both methyl methacrilate. For the canopy in my Lakester I'm using PETG. It has the same basic properties as Lexan (polycarconate) but better optical clarity. Aircraft Windshield in Los Alamitos formed it for me. Wayno

From dlodom at charter.net  Sat Apr 18 11:23:26 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:23:26 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lexan
References: <200904171205.1lUQzd4233Nl34g1@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net><5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf><20090418151617.EA3F018764E@autox.team.net><6D87A69EA5364CE28469D0A6E3421B53@DaveSatellite>
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Message-ID: <018a01c9c04a$62730db0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Does anyone know what Denis Manning uses on the Bub7 liner. I remember when 
I was talking to him at the Hall of Fame party how clear the canopy was. I 
also remember that he said it cost $5,000. I didn't ask him what the 
material was, knowing I could not afford it whatever it was.
Big Ditch Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren at snet.net>; "J.D. Tone" 
<gmc6power at earthlink.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Lexan


> Thanks Dave, the only time the canopy sees sun is in line, on the run and 
> returning to the pits. I will try to cover it when not on course. Am 
> adding a cockpit ac unit this year so that may help as well. The light 
> aircraft folks say that Plexus is the easiest and best cleaner with good 
> UV protection. It may be as good as it gets already...........
> Lexan XL has apparently the best UV protection. I got mine (Lexan) from 
> Home Depot and don't think that it is "XL".
>
> Skip

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sat Apr 18 12:00:02 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:00:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lexan
In-Reply-To: <49E9FE85.3060001@wildblue.net>
References: <200904171205.1lUQzd4233Nl34g1@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<5168E4D26C364E1BB23C3A7C097EAFC4@mydf7618c59bbf>
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	<6D87A69EA5364CE28469D0A6E3421B53@DaveSatellite>
	<20090418170249.EB30A18764C@autox.team.net>
	<49E9FE85.3060001@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <20090418185855.C75FF18765D@autox.team.net>

Thanks Bryan, good idea. I'll look into it.

Skip




At 09:23 AM 4/18/2009, Bryan Savage wrote:

>Something you might look at Skip is UV window film. I had it
>put on my '89 T-Bird to eliminate sunburn while driving. It
>worked.
>Maybe a fresh piece every year would help protect the surface.
>
>Bryan
>
>
>
>Skip Higginbotham wrote:
>>Thanks Dave, the only time the canopy sees sun is in line, on the 
>>run and returning to the pits. I will try to cover it when not on 
>>course. Am adding a cockpit ac unit this year so that may help as 
>>well. The light aircraft folks say that Plexus is the easiest and 
>>best cleaner with good UV protection. It may be as good as it gets 
>>already...........
>>Lexan XL has apparently the best UV protection. I got mine (Lexan) 
>>from Home Depot and don't think that it is "XL".

From dlodom at charter.net  Sat Apr 18 13:27:01 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:27:01 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Plexiglass
References: <549156.88545.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01b101c9c05b$a7668300$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

That PETG is interesting. I found a 48" X 72" .125 sheet of clear was only 
$87. on line. Might have to look into that stuff.

Big Ditch Doug

> Neil, if I recall correctly Lucite is just another brand name for 
> Plexiglass. They are both methyl methacrilate. For the canopy in my 
> Lakester I'm using PETG. It has the same basic properties as Lexan 
> (polycarconate) but better optical clarity. Aircraft Windshield in Los 
> Alamitos formed it for me. Wayno
> _______________________________________________

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sun Apr 19 08:37:31 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:37:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Plexiglass
In-Reply-To: <01b101c9c05b$a7668300$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <549156.88545.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<01b101c9c05b$a7668300$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <20090419153623.61E07187681@autox.team.net>

Doug,

Website says that it has no UV protection..........

Skip


At 12:27 PM 4/18/2009, Doug Odom wrote:
>That PETG is interesting. I found a 48" X 72" .125 sheet of clear 
>was only $87. on line. Might have to look into that stuff.
>
>Big Ditch Doug
>
>>Neil, if I recall correctly Lucite is just another brand name for 
>>Plexiglass. They are both methyl methacrilate. For the canopy in my 
>>Lakester I'm using PETG. It has the same basic properties as Lexan 
>>(polycarconate) but better optical clarity. Aircraft Windshield in 
>>Los Alamitos formed it for me. Wayno
>>_______________________________________________

From saltfever at comcast.net  Sun Apr 19 14:53:24 2009
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Kirkwood)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:53:24 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drilling Plexiglas
Message-ID: <000901c9c130$e22757f0$a67607d0$@net>

Here is a good data sheet on PETG. It has good impact resistance similar to
polycarbonate. Light transmittance is 88% and it has poor UV resistance. 

http://www.acrylicbirdcages.com/petg%20data%20sheet.htm

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Apr 19 15:32:35 2009
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:32:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed]  Drilling Plexiglas
Message-ID: <49EB9873.6040907@wildblue.net>

It seems to me that one of the "X" plane's had a multi layer
glass wind screen. 6-8 layer. Reason, shock waves.

I'm not sure,
Bryan


Here is a good data sheet on PETG. It has good impact resistance similar to
polycarbonate. Light transmittance is 88% and it has poor UV resistance.

http://www.acrylicbirdcages.com/petg%20data%20sheet.htm
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From jdincau at qnet.com  Tue Apr 21 16:09:01 2009
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:09:01 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Car numbers
Message-ID: <17CC5BC09D804F549F643299E9BD8947@denpc>

Hi all,
     Has anyone out there bought vinyl graphics for their car on line and do 
you have any recommendations to make?
Jim 

From dlodom at charter.net  Tue Apr 21 17:07:15 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:07:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Car numbers
References: <17CC5BC09D804F549F643299E9BD8947@denpc>
Message-ID: <044f01c9c2d5$e98c2bf0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Jim, Almost all the sign companies now have vinyl number making 
capabilities. My son in law and his dad own a sign business in San Luis 
Obispo and make numbers and complete car wraps. Check around your local area 
sign makers. It can all be done with a computer. Yes the machine cost about 
$25K but they make a lot of signs.

Big Ditch Doug


Subject: [Land-speed] Car numbers


> Hi all,
>     Has anyone out there bought vinyl graphics for their car on line and 
> do you have any recommendations to make?
> Jim _______________________________________________

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Apr 21 17:12:23 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:12:23 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Car numbers
In-Reply-To: <044f01c9c2d5$e98c2bf0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <17CC5BC09D804F549F643299E9BD8947@denpc>
	<044f01c9c2d5$e98c2bf0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <25276C57-15DC-4105-A6E6-3867891BF5C5@comcast.net>

Salt Flats Radio 1610 announcer Ron Christensen did all the vinyl on  
Breedlove's car before the last runs at Black Rock.  Ron is a clever  
and talented guy.


On Apr 21, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Doug Odom wrote:

> Jim, Almost all the sign companies now have vinyl number making  
> capabilities. My son in law and his dad own a sign business in San  
> Luis Obispo and make numbers and complete car wraps. Check around  
> your local area sign makers. It can all be done with a computer. Yes  
> the machine cost about $25K but they make a lot of signs.
>
> Big Ditch Doug
>
>
> Subject: [Land-speed] Car numbers
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>    Has anyone out there bought vinyl graphics for their car on line  
>> and do you have any recommendations to make?
>> Jim _______________________________________________
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From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Tue Apr 21 17:59:07 2009
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:59:07 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Car numbers
In-Reply-To: <17CC5BC09D804F549F643299E9BD8947@denpc>
References: <17CC5BC09D804F549F643299E9BD8947@denpc>
Message-ID: <971C4904-BF45-46A1-BD62-D8BF4A8CC7ED@nancyandjon.org>

On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Jim Dincau wrote:

Hi all,
     Has anyone out there bought vinyl graphics for their car on line  
and do
you have any recommendations to make?
Jim
_



I haven't bought graphics on line -- but I'd recommend the graphics  
shop here in Marquette if you're looking for a reliable source.   
They'll make anything you want, and will gladly accept an emailed  
attachment with your chosen artwork.  They faithfully duplicated the  
logos of the various sanctioning organizations -- when I wanted them  
in a size the SCTA (for instance) didn't have.  They made a Bonneville  
200 MPH Club sticker in a slightly "squashed" shape when the space I  
had available was not quite tall enough for the regular aspect ratio.   
Many of the stickers they've done for me -- were originated by them  
searching for the design online, capturing the image on their  
computer, then printing it in the size I wanted.  Color reproduction  
is faithful.  I've had some of the stickers made in reflective tape --  
while a bunch more costly, they "glow in the headlights" and look  
super.  Overall I'd say their prices are much lower than what you'd  
find in other shops in the "big cities".

Anything you want -- they've been able to do for me.  Email them, if  
you'd like to -- Greg is the guy I've worked with the most.     signsunlimited at miuplink.com

Feel free to ask me for more information.





       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Tue Apr 21 18:58:01 2009
From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:58:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] N.A. Eagle in N.Y. Times
Message-ID: <589700200.1170171240361881167.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/science/21speed.html?_r=1&ref=science 

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 21 19:11:37 2009
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug .............)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:11:37 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] N.A. Eagle in N.Y. Times
In-Reply-To: <589700200.1170171240361881167.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <589700200.1170171240361881167.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <SNT108-W83FB3F224005A7A7A9FB0FD9740@phx.gbl>

        nice Bobby,  but...


-
an airplane by any other name is still an airplane.

       Show me the DRIVE tires.

   c heers to ya ,   'Dirt Track Doug '



    -105 + miles south of the world famous 'Syracuse
Mile '
    -241.4  miles north of the Williams Grove Speedway pit gate
   -2247  or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt
Flats

but never more than a few feet from a cold one
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---


> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:58:01 +0000
> From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net
> To: Land-speed at Autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] N.A. Eagle in N.Y. Times
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/science/21speed.html?_r=1&ref=science
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From landspeed at columbus.rr.com  Tue Apr 21 22:41:21 2009
From: landspeed at columbus.rr.com (Don McMeekin)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:41:21 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] N.A. Eagle in N.Y. Times
In-Reply-To: <589700200.1170171240361881167.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <589700200.1170171240361881167.JavaMail.root@sz0018a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <DCA12485-3294-4883-8674-1BF597694177@columbus.rr.com>

      An interesting story, and being able to root for an underdog,  
makes the venture that much more appealing. Most of us are "wheel  
driven" guys but we can appreciate the technical aspects and  
incredible speeds that the propulsion cars are able to achieve. I've  
noticed that the new British effort looks a lot less like a jet  
fighter on wheels and more like a conventional LS streamliner. In  
fact, without the air inlet over the canopy, it looks a little  
(actually, a whole lot) like a pointy nosed Buckeye Bullet.
On Apr 21, 2009, at 8:58 PM, bobbyhotrods at comcast.net wrote:

> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/science/21speed.html? 
> _r=1&ref=science
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From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Wed Apr 22 06:02:24 2009
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:02:24 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Car numbers
In-Reply-To: <17CC5BC09D804F549F643299E9BD8947@denpc>
References: <17CC5BC09D804F549F643299E9BD8947@denpc>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20BDA7470@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

Find a local sign shop on the web, e-mail them what you want, Google the
map to the place, take cash, check or credit card to place when they
e-mail back when it's ready. That's how I did my class change. I
installed the vinyl myself, they would charge as much as the letters to
do it(they really didn't want to do it).

Mike M.

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Dincau
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:09 PM
To: land Speed List
Subject: [Land-speed] Car numbers

Hi all,
     Has anyone out there bought vinyl graphics for their car on line
and do you have any recommendations to make?
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Thu Apr 23 12:42:00 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:42:00 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] ChEt Herbet passes
Message-ID: <2B05265FDC6844A895758B28E9CB13B5@Glens>

Chet Herbert passed away this morning after a battle with pneumonia. A pioneer
to the racing industry world wide.
Dedicated LSR builder, designer, cam grinder, and innovator. RIP Chet

Glen

From saltfevr at q.com  Thu Apr 23 19:59:33 2009
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:59:33 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] ChEt Herbet passes
In-Reply-To: <2B05265FDC6844A895758B28E9CB13B5@Glens>
References: <2B05265FDC6844A895758B28E9CB13B5@Glens>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W2716789DFE874064678D85C9720@phx.gbl>

So sorry to hear the news. God Speed Chet. His services have been scheduled:

http://www.competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9906
&Itemid=6

Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah




> From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:42:00 -0600
> Subject: [Land-speed] ChEt Herbet passes
>
> Chet Herbert passed away this morning after a battle with pneumonia. A
pioneer
> to the racing industry world wide.
> Dedicated LSR builder, designer, cam grinder, and innovator. RIP Chet
>
> Glen
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From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Apr 23 18:23:00 2009
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:23:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Chet Herbet passes
References: <2B05265FDC6844A895758B28E9CB13B5@Glens>
Message-ID: <058d01c9c472$d3aff610$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

You have to feel bad for Doug Herbert. He lost his two sons just a short time
ago and now his dad. I did a lot of camshaft business with Chet back in the
80's and he always did right by me.   RIP Chet

Big ditch Doug
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Glen Barrett
  To: landspeed at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:42 AM
  Subject: ChEt Herbet passes


  Chet Herbert passed away this morning after a battle with pneumonia. A
pioneer to the racing industry world wide.
  Dedicated LSR builder, designer, cam grinder, and innovator. RIP Chet

  Glen

From dmirror3 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 23 17:03:13 2009
From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] ChEt Herbet passes
In-Reply-To: <2B05265FDC6844A895758B28E9CB13B5@Glens>
Message-ID: <411177.86630.qm@web58003.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I can't imagine how many lives Chet touched or how many thrilling experiences
that he lived. A success story in so many ways.  Godspeed and good riddance to
the da^^ wheel chair


http://www dot chetherbert.com/about/about.html

http://www  dot driveonline.com/content/view/135/85/


Dale
Cleveland Oh

Let's not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.
James Thurber in the foreword to Lanterns & Lances (1961)

--- On Thu, 4/23/09, Glen Barrett <speedtimer at beyondbb.com> wrote:
From: Glen Barrett <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] ChEt Herbet passes
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 2:42 PM

Chet Herbert passed away this morning after a battle with pneumonia. A
pioneer
to the racing industry world wide.
Dedicated LSR builder, designer, cam grinder, and innovator. RIP Chet

Glen
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From advo at comcast.net  Sun Apr 26 10:09:38 2009
From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:09:38 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Centrifugal Supercharger question
Message-ID: <C619F172.37E2%advo@comcast.net>

Anybody know if a a Procharger P600B can be run draw-thru? No need to worry
much about low or mid-range response...it will be on a salt racer.
Greg

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Mon Apr 27 16:20:10 2009
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:20:10 +1200
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
Message-ID: <02B6780F5A384E9C8E0EABACF190EAF0@ChrisHarrisPC>

Its official. Just read on Yahoo news that GM is eliminating Pontiac to focus
on its 4 core brands Chevy, Cadillac, Buick and GMC. Another one bites the
dust!

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 27 16:27:02 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:27:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
Message-ID: <15985820.1240871222447.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

GMC should be gone too or Chev trucks.Only one is needed......When is Ford going to dump Mercury another waste...


>
>Its official. Just read on Yahoo news that GM is eliminating Pontiac to focus
>on its 4 core brands Chevy, Cadillac, Buick and GMC. Another one bites the
>dust!

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 27 16:27:18 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:27:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
Message-ID: <544977.1240871238866.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

GMC should be gone too or Chev trucks.Only one is needed......When is Ford going to dump Mercury another waste...


>
>Its official. Just read on Yahoo news that GM is eliminating Pontiac to focus
>on its 4 core brands Chevy, Cadillac, Buick and GMC. Another one bites the
>dust!

From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon Apr 27 16:41:53 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:41:53 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
In-Reply-To: <02B6780F5A384E9C8E0EABACF190EAF0@ChrisHarrisPC>
References: <02B6780F5A384E9C8E0EABACF190EAF0@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <F0E93D423F704CB0AC554217E887C581@DBTech>

Buick? GMC? Those are really exciting brands. :(  

I guess my old '65 GTO will be a collectors' item now; wish I still had it!

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Harris
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:20 PM
To: Warwick & Donna; Land speed list
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!

Its official. Just read on Yahoo news that GM is eliminating Pontiac to
focus
on its 4 core brands Chevy, Cadillac, Buick and GMC. Another one bites the
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From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Mon Apr 27 16:57:48 2009
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:57:48 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
In-Reply-To: <F0E93D423F704CB0AC554217E887C581@DBTech>
References: <02B6780F5A384E9C8E0EABACF190EAF0@ChrisHarrisPC>
	<F0E93D423F704CB0AC554217E887C581@DBTech>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20BDF70CA@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

Start hoarding the Trans Am and Goat parts! Now I wish I had that 1969
Firebird back!!!

Mike Meierle
#847 F/BMMP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder



-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
neil at dbelltech.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:42 PM
To: 'Chris Harris'; 'Warwick & Donna'; 'Land speed list'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!

Buick? GMC? Those are really exciting brands. :(

I guess my old '65 GTO will be a collectors' item now; wish I still had
it!

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Harris
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:20 PM
To: Warwick & Donna; Land speed list
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!

Its official. Just read on Yahoo news that GM is eliminating Pontiac to
focus on its 4 core brands Chevy, Cadillac, Buick and GMC. Another one
bites the dust!
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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Mon Apr 27 17:01:02 2009
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:01:02 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
In-Reply-To: <F0E93D423F704CB0AC554217E887C581@DBTech>
References: <02B6780F5A384E9C8E0EABACF190EAF0@ChrisHarrisPC>
	<F0E93D423F704CB0AC554217E887C581@DBTech>
Message-ID: <DF315849BB78466FB3AB6BB41C3E4E13@DaveSatellite>

Hmmm GMC last years Chevy truck how thrilling... Buick can be a snooze but 
don't forget the Grand National that was a hoot.. Funny we never bailed out 
Studebaker or Packard..Hmmmm As one of my buddys says.. buy ammo... it is 
not all the east and west coast and will not play well forever..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: "'Chris Harris'" <yesford at clear.net.nz>; "'Warwick & Donna'" 
<wasp27 at paradise.net.nz>; "'Land speed list'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!


> Buick? GMC? Those are really exciting brands. :(
>
> I guess my old '65 GTO will be a collectors' item now; wish I still had 
> it!
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Harris
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:20 PM
> To: Warwick & Donna; Land speed list
> Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
>
> Its official. Just read on Yahoo news that GM is eliminating Pontiac to
> focus
> on its 4 core brands Chevy, Cadillac, Buick and GMC. Another one bites the
> dust!
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From NT788 at comcast.net  Mon Apr 27 17:25:46 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:25:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
In-Reply-To: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20BDF70CA@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
Message-ID: <851546436.1906561240874746940.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

No more incandescent light bulbs ether.Evolution at it's finest! 
Jack 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MEIERLE Mike" <Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com> 
To: neil at dbelltech.com, "Chris Harris" <yesford at clear.net.nz>, "Warwick & Donna" <wasp27 at paradise.net.nz>, "Land speed list" <land-speed at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:57:48 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!! 

Start hoarding the Trans Am and Goat parts! Now I wish I had that 1969 
Firebird back!!! 

Mike Meierle 
#847 F/BMMP 
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA 
ECTA Record Holder 



-----Original Message----- 
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net 
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 
neil at dbelltech.com 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:42 PM 
To: 'Chris Harris'; 'Warwick & Donna'; 'Land speed list' 
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!! 

Buick? GMC? Those are really exciting brands. :( 

I guess my old '65 GTO will be a collectors' item now; wish I still had 
it! 

Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ 

-----Original Message----- 
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net 
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Harris 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:20 PM 
To: Warwick & Donna; Land speed list 
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!! 

Its official. Just read on Yahoo news that GM is eliminating Pontiac to 
focus on its 4 core brands Chevy, Cadillac, Buick and GMC. Another one 
bites the dust! 
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From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Mon Apr 27 18:09:03 2009
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:09:03 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
In-Reply-To: <851546436.1906561240874746940.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <851546436.1906561240874746940.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <24059E27-A329-42A4-9C89-4059C77EAA0E@nancyandjon.org>

On Apr 27, 2009, at 7:25 PM, NT788 at comcast.net wrote:

No more incandescent light bulbs ether.Evolution at it's finest!
Jack



Start hoarding the Trans Am and Goat parts! Now I wish I had that 1969
Firebird back!!!


I guess my old '65 GTO will be a collectors' item now; wish I still had

Its official. Just read on Yahoo news that GM is eliminating Pontiac to
focus on its 4 core brands Chevy, Cadillac, Buick and GMC. Another one
bites the dust!



Yeah, but I've still got a typewriter!


       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Tue Apr 28 08:58:08 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:58:08 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)
Message-ID: <49F7197D.000003.03032@D3DP98F1>

Betty, Gene and Tom,

It has been great to know you for so long. Even butted heads with Betty for
a few years and always feared her possibilities in the Datsun.

Why is it that those who accomplish great things are basically ignored by
the Hollywood types? Pockets just aren't deep enough, I guess.
For the most part, we as a group, are humble people that goes about our
passion, take the bumps and setbacks, and keep fighting on toward our goal.
PR is usually not on our agenda! The Burkland Streamliner record speed has
to be admired...especially when you look at the road travelled to get there.
It will be sad not to see the car on the salt, however.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Tue Apr 28 09:07:41 2009
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:07:41 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
In-Reply-To: <15985820.1240871222447.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20090428110741.Z1212.42458.imail@fed1rmwml38>

JD   

 I disagree they have a very differnt market than Chevy just like Buick is between Caddy and Chevy!!!!!!!


---- James Tone <gmc6power at earthlink.net> wrote: 
> GMC should be gone too or Chev trucks.Only one is needed......When is Ford going to dump Mercury another waste...

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Tue Apr 28 09:07:34 2009
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:07:34 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <49F7197D.000003.03032@D3DP98F1>
References: <49F7197D.000003.03032@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <667332AB-F067-4346-907F-F21C5CA969BD@nancyandjon.org>

On Apr 28, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Tom Bryant wrote:

Betty, Gene and Tom,

It has been great to know you for so long. Even butted heads with  
Betty for
a few years and always feared her possibilities in the Datsun.

Why is it that those who accomplish great things are basically ignored  
by
the Hollywood types? Pockets just aren't deep enough, I guess.
For the most part, we as a group, are humble people that goes about our
passion, take the bumps and setbacks, and keep fighting on toward our  
goal.
PR is usually not on our agenda! The Burkland Streamliner record speed  
has
to be admired...especially when you look at the road travelled to get  
there.
It will be sad not to see the car on the salt, however.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC




Tom:

I got this much -- but nothing more, like a sad announcement that the  
Burkland car won't be racing any longer -- at least that what your  
comment seems to imply.  Is there a story behind your note?

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 28 09:13:38 2009
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug .............)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:13:38 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <49F7197D.000003.03032@D3DP98F1>
References: <49F7197D.000003.03032@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <SNT108-W6363EA630193CAF22EAA86D96E0@phx.gbl>

 Hi Tom  reading between the lines,..

it appears that the Burklands have decided
 to (due to $$$ no doubt ) retire from racing LSR?

What a dam shame



understandable,   but a dam shame nevertheless

cheers,   'Dirt Track Doug '



       -105 + miles south of the world famous 'Syracuse
Mile '
       -241.4  miles north of the Williams Grove Speedway pit gate
       -2247  or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt
Flats

==================================================================


> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:58:08 -0700
> From: saltracer at awwwsome.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)
>
> Betty, Gene and Tom,
>
> It has been great to know you for so long. Even butted heads with Betty for
> a few years and always feared her possibilities in the Datsun.
>
> Why is it that those who accomplish great things are basically ignored by
> the Hollywood types? Pockets just aren't deep enough, I guess.

> For the most part, we as a group, are humble people that goes about our
> passion, take the bumps and setbacks, and keep fighting on toward our goal.
> PR is usually not on our agenda!

The Burkland Streamliner record speed has to be admired...
especially when you look at the road traveled to get there.
> It will be sad not to see the car on the salt, however.
>
> Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC


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From NT788 at comcast.net  Tue Apr 28 09:15:17 2009
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:15:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <49F7197D.000003.03032@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <85209930.2120681240931717860.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

How about the speedweek poster criteria? That's kinda hollywoody! 
Jack 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Bryant" <saltracer at awwwsome.com> 
To: "Landspeed" <land-speed at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:58:08 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject) 

Betty, Gene and Tom, 

It has been great to know you for so long. Even butted heads with Betty for 
a few years and always feared her possibilities in the Datsun. 

Why is it that those who accomplish great things are basically ignored by 
the Hollywood types? Pockets just aren't deep enough, I guess. 
For the most part, we as a group, are humble people that goes about our 
passion, take the bumps and setbacks, and keep fighting on toward our goal. 
PR is usually not on our agenda! The Burkland Streamliner record speed has 
to be admired...especially when you look at the road travelled to get there. 
It will be sad not to see the car on the salt, however. 

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC 

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From ed at vetteracing.com  Tue Apr 28 09:26:30 2009
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:26:30 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
Message-ID: <W3226019012152951240932390@webmail11>

FEIW, I think they need to get rid of GMC (duplication) and Buick America.....
Only the Chinese are crazy enough to buy a Buick........
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net [mailto:sparky.2211 at cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 08:07 AM
To: 'Warwick & Donna', 'Chris Harris', 'James Tone', 'Land speed list'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!

JD I disagree they have a very differnt market than Chevy just like Buick is
between Caddy and Chevy!!!!!!! ---- James Tone wrote: > GMC should be gone too
or Chev trucks.Only one is needed......When is Ford going to dump Mercury
another waste...

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Tue Apr 28 09:16:42 2009
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:16:42 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
In-Reply-To: <20090428110741.Z1212.42458.imail@fed1rmwml38>
References: <20090428110741.Z1212.42458.imail@fed1rmwml38>
Message-ID: <5CA1B99D-A6EA-4CA0-A538-711F37C3454F@nancyandjon.org>

On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:07 AM, <sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:

JD

I disagree they have a very differnt market than Chevy just like Buick  
is between Caddy and Chevy!!!!!!!


---- James Tone <gmc6power at earthlink.net> wrote:
> GMC should be gone too or Chev trucks.Only one is needed......When  
> is Ford going to dump Mercury another waste...
__




Thanks, Sparky.  I agree, although I've heard way too many times that  
a GMC is no more than a Chevy with lockwashers, or that the only  
difference between Chevy pickups and GMC pickups is the hub caps.  For  
sure -- today's Chevy trucks have lots more glitzy items on 'em than  
the current GMC models (in my opinion -- fancy hood treatments!).

Of course -- I've owned two GMC in a row following a Chevy, so my  
opinion might be a bit tainted.

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Tue Apr 28 12:02:51 2009
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:02:51 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Burkland
References: <49F7197D.000003.03032@D3DP98F1>
	<0AD920576B8240CD8C5B2228955F395A@Glens>
Message-ID: <49F744CB.000007.06032@D3DP98F1>

I was referring to the article that you may have not seen.  Http://www
greatfallstribune.com/article/20090427/NEWS01/904270310&theme=ECKE

 I do hope that we will continue to see the car run. It did set a
respectable record, but we know it is capable of lot more. There are fast
cars in the wings, still, it is sad to see the good cars disappear, but I
understand the expense of campaigning those cars, too.


Tom

-------Original Message-------

From: Glen Barrett
Date: 4/28/2009 8:13:19 AM
To: Tom Bryant
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] (no subject)

Tom
What  was the message, I haven't heard anything on the Burkland Liner since
the special meet last year. Are they through running it?
Glen

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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 28 12:16:17 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
Message-ID: <9735402.1240942577674.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I would agree if they were different. But by looks alone they are the almost identical as well as the power trains. Same with options...............


>
>JD   
>
> I disagree they have a very differnt market than Chevy just like Buick is between Caddy and Chevy!!!!!!!
>
>> GMC should be gone too or Chev trucks.Only one is needed......When is Ford going to dump Mercury another waste...

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Tue Apr 28 12:16:29 2009
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:16:29 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
In-Reply-To: <W3226019012152951240932390@webmail11>
References: <W3226019012152951240932390@webmail11>
Message-ID: <EB1C54CF-2727-401C-A232-62191B747ACA@nancyandjon.org>

On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Ed Van Scoy wrote:

FEIW, I think they need to get rid of GMC (duplication) and Buick  
America.....
Only the Chinese are crazy enough to buy a Buick........
Ed
----



Well, not really, Ed.  When's the last time you saw a Buick going down  
the road near where you live?  Did you look at the driver?  I betcha  
that driver had blue-white hair.  It used to be that older folks  
bought Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis -- now the Buick seems  
to be the car of choice for the 60++ set.  Of course -- maybe they're  
crazy, too.


       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Apr 28 13:18:04 2009
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:18:04 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
In-Reply-To: <EB1C54CF-2727-401C-A232-62191B747ACA@nancyandjon.org>
References: <W3226019012152951240932390@webmail11>
	<EB1C54CF-2727-401C-A232-62191B747ACA@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <3CA7968C-3621-4E63-BA98-232ABDD3C0DB@comcast.net>

My hair has no blue in it but there's a lot of skin color.  I rented a  
Buick Lucerne a couple of years ago in Pittsburgh.  Actually it was an  
upgrade because they didn't have the smaller car I had originally  
wanted.  Perhaps it is because of my age and desire for comfort,  
likely because we needed space for two child seats for the grandkids  
but I was pleased with the car.  The V6 had the power and got decent  
gas mileage, the car was stable at speed although I never got over 85  
and driving in the rain for half of my visit I never felt any losss of  
contact with the road. The steering was quick enough and the ride was  
tight.   My most recent car purchase is a four year old, twin turbo  
V6, Audi A6 that I really enjoy driving but that Buick was not far  
behind in my estimation.  I didn't feel the "float" like I did in a  
'98 Cadillac I delivered to Illinois last November.  I've just spent  
some time in a recent year Pontiac and didn't see a huge difference in  
ride and road feel from the Lucerne.  But what do I know.

Now the butt ugly orange Pontiac SUV that was on every Detroit area  
dealer front row ... that's another story.  Getting that off the road  
would be a huge favor to visual pollution nationwide.  Obama can send  
all of those to Africa to his relatives there and I wouldn't complain  
at all.

Wes

On Apr 28, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Jon Wennerberg wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Ed Van Scoy wrote:
>
> FEIW, I think they need to get rid of GMC (duplication) and Buick  
> America.....
> Only the Chinese are crazy enough to buy a Buick........
> Ed
> ----
>
>
>
> Well, not really, Ed.  When's the last time you saw a Buick going  
> down the road near where you live?  Did you look at the driver?  I  
> betcha that driver had blue-white hair.  It used to be that older  
> folks bought Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis -- now the  
> Buick seems to be the car of choice for the 60++ set.  Of course --  
> maybe they're crazy, too.
>
>
>      Jon Wennerberg
> Tall guy with moustache
> and a pair of 2 Club hats
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From ed at vetteracing.com  Tue Apr 28 20:29:19 2009
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:29:19 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!
Message-ID: <W7203917988341240972159@webmail55>

Ya got me there Jon..... but maybe if we got rid of Buicks, these blue-hairs
would stay home and watch Oprah instead of turning left infront of me.
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Wennerberg [mailto:jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:16 AM
To: 'Ed Van Scoy'
Cc: sparky.2211 at cox.net, 'Warwick & Donna', 'Chris Harris', 'James Tone',
'Land speed list'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Pontiac gone!!!

On Apr 28, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Ed Van Scoy wrote: FEIW, I think they need to
get rid of GMC (duplication) and Buick America..... Only the Chinese are crazy
enough to buy a Buick........ Ed ---- Well, not really, Ed. When's the last
time you saw a Buick going down the road near where you live? Did you look at
the driver? I betcha that driver had blue-white hair. It used to be that older
folks bought Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis -- now the Buick seems
to be the car of choice for the 60++ set. Of course -- maybe they're crazy,
too. Jon Wennerberg Tall guy with moustache and a pair of 2 Club hats

From kturk at adelphia.net  Wed Apr 29 05:42:44 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:42:44 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?
Message-ID: <9968BFE9D18D40E3B400C8AF7435FBD6@keithhrijwmm4p>

I'm trying to convert my e-mail to kturk at adelphia.net and for some reason the
list is giving me trouble... hmmm

K

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Wed Apr 29 08:13:44 2009
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:13:44 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?
In-Reply-To: <9968BFE9D18D40E3B400C8AF7435FBD6@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <20090429101344.EYK05.60894.imail@fed1rmwml42>

Its because you have been gone so long, it is having trouble recognising you!


---- Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net> wrote: 
> I'm trying to convert my e-mail to kturk at adelphia.net and for some reason the
> list is giving me trouble... hmmm

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 29 08:16:44 2009
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:16:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?
Message-ID: <12334558.1241014605011.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Keith who???


>
>Its because you have been gone so long, it is having trouble recognising you!
>
 
>> I'm trying to convert my e-mail to kturk at adelphia.net and for some reason the
>> list is giving me trouble... hmmm

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Wed Apr 29 08:29:44 2009
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:29:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?
In-Reply-To: <9968BFE9D18D40E3B400C8AF7435FBD6@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <9968BFE9D18D40E3B400C8AF7435FBD6@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <20090429142928.9022D187A8D@autox.team.net>

Yep, it works.

Skip




At 04:42 AM 4/29/2009, Keith Turk wrote:
>I'm trying to convert my e-mail to kturk at adelphia.net and for some reason the
>list is giving me trouble... hmmm
>
>K

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Apr 29 09:07:21 2009
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:07:21 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?
References: <9968BFE9D18D40E3B400C8AF7435FBD6@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <5BDFBF6ED85A416584422457B634409D@Glens>

Works in Utah.
GB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:42 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?


> I'm trying to convert my e-mail to kturk at adelphia.net and for some reason 
> the
> list is giving me trouble... hmmm
>
> K
> _______________________________________________
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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Wed Apr 29 09:40:16 2009
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:40:16 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] LBM/ Turks Dilemma
Message-ID: <bcf.4520ae8c.3729cee0@aol.com>

List server reads " adelphia.net" as Alabama.net, knows even dial-up  is 
years away in UnderPrize. 
They use smoke signals 'cept when the tide rolls in  the tires they  burn 
get  wet. Semaphore is out as nobody can spell it. They are so poor  the 
state is selling all the A's in the state name to Italy. 
I have more. 
BW  
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Apr 29 09:50:42 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:50:42 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] LBM/ Turks Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <bcf.4520ae8c.3729cee0@aol.com>
References: <bcf.4520ae8c.3729cee0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49F87752.4000702@mayfco.com>

And here it was I thought the problem was the string between the cans 
got loose.

mayf
BWANA343 at aol.com wrote:

>List server reads " adelphia.net" as Alabama.net, knows even dial-up  is 
>years away in UnderPrize. 
>They use smoke signals 'cept when the tide rolls in  the tires they  burn 
>get  wet. Semaphore is out as nobody can spell it. They are so poor  the 
>state is selling all the A's in the state name to Italy. 
>I have more. 
>BW  

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Wed Apr 29 15:38:28 2009
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:38:28 +1200
Subject: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?
References: <9968BFE9D18D40E3B400C8AF7435FBD6@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <6B01ABEAF5B64526A5E3E0532D002564@ChrisHarrisPC>

Yep,...............we're finally onto you Mate !
LOL
Chris H.......................NZed.


> I'm trying to convert my e-mail to kturk at adelphia.net and for some reason 
> the
> list is giving me trouble... hmmm
>
> K 

From kturk at adelphia.net  Wed Apr 29 15:43:53 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:43:53 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?
References: <9968BFE9D18D40E3B400C8AF7435FBD6@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<6B01ABEAF5B64526A5E3E0532D002564@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <6592E7DB3BBF487E80E77F78264EB53C@keithhrijwmm4p>

Okay you guys found me again...  hmmm  Guess my life's been busy of late...

Whittling on some other stuff along the way... kind of a have the Disco Nova 
going together as well as the 32 Ford...  and a couple of rental 
property's...

My Sons are running the rock shop and Tonya's Great...  Life is simply 
busy...

K 

From neil at dbelltech.com  Wed Apr 29 16:21:52 2009
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:21:52 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?
In-Reply-To: <6592E7DB3BBF487E80E77F78264EB53C@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <9968BFE9D18D40E3B400C8AF7435FBD6@keithhrijwmm4p><6B01ABEAF5B64526A5E3E0532D002564@ChrisHarrisPC>
	<6592E7DB3BBF487E80E77F78264EB53C@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <05BF18E2E83543299911B163F625200C@DBTech>

When you retire you'll find that you are busier than ever, Keith.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Keith Turk
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:44 PM
To: Chris Harris; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?

Okay you guys found me again...  hmmm  Guess my life's been busy of late...

Whittling on some other stuff along the way... kind of a have the Disco Nova

going together as well as the 32 Ford...  and a couple of rental 
property's...

My Sons are running the rock shop and Tonya's Great...  Life is simply 
busy...

K 
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From kturk at adelphia.net  Wed Apr 29 18:10:12 2009
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:10:12 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?
References: <9968BFE9D18D40E3B400C8AF7435FBD6@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<002c01c9c8ed$48b22a90$6501a8c0@Rick>
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Only Rick would come up with this.... I've come to expect this kind of logic 
from Mayf... LOL

K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?


> No it doesn't work Turk.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:42 AM
> Subject: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?
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>> I'm trying to convert my e-mail to kturk at adelphia.net and for some reason 
>> the
>> list is giving me trouble... hmmm
>>
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From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Wed Apr 29 20:07:39 2009
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:07:39 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] hey guys this work?
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Thank you
I'm honored.

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Apr 30 19:33:53 2009
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:33:53 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Brake testing in CA
Message-ID: <000c01c9c9fc$e700f130$6401a8c0@S>

Did you guys know that it is illegal and a moving violation to test your
brakes on California roads at speeds over 25mph?

This afternoon a fellow called Len Tillum's KGO legal talk show saying he was
stopped on a recent night on I5 by a CHP officer for doing this and saying so
when questioned. The officer gave him a warning; but ticketted his wife, who
was laying down sleeping in the back of his minivan, for not wearing a
seatbelt.  The driver was a fairly mature sounding fellow with a very distinct
East Indian accent.

Say what?  On I5 where there are two nighttime speeds, 59 in the right lane
(truckers) and 95 in the left?  Go figure...

Anyway if you get stopped in CA and asked why you hit the brakes "I was just
testing them" is the wrong answer.

So everyone repeat after me:   "I saw a critter trying to cross the road" or
"I heard a strange noise inside the vehicle and slowed to investigate".

Also, as kinky as it may sound seatbelts on the beds of your camper rig may
not be such a bad idea.

Ed Weldon