From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Wed Oct  1 14:39:41 2008
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:39:41 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
Message-ID: <100120082039.8233.48E3E00C000F3BAB0000202922007507440101090E030906@comcast.net>

Skip, 

RE: 1750F EGT

My engineering book shows that the melting temperature of Aluminum (ie. pistons) is 1250F
Iconnel is 2450F
Stainless Steel is 2750F

I think I'd worry more about the pistons than the valves.

I know the pistons are an alloy of Aluminun, but still.....

JG 

From NT788 at comcast.net  Wed Oct  1 15:20:26 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:20:26 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
Message-ID: <100120082120.26394.48E3E99A00021C8E0000671A2215593414C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

When somebody sets a record.and happens to record the egt, that is an interesting reference. Shall I take that as the best number for my combination? 
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net
> Skip, 
> 
> RE: 1750F EGT
> 
> My engineering book shows that the melting temperature of Aluminum (ie. pistons) 
> is 1250F
> Iconnel is 2450F
> Stainless Steel is 2750F
> 
> I think I'd worry more about the pistons than the valves.
> 
> I know the pistons are an alloy of Aluminun, but still.....
> 
> JG 
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From karlepayne55 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  1 15:26:47 2008
From: karlepayne55 at yahoo.com (Karl Payne)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:26:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
In-Reply-To: <100120082039.8233.48E3E00C000F3BAB0000202922007507440101090E030906@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <940877.85648.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Totally agree with the piston-before-valve comment.  Ask Rick Byrnes how his
pistons looked after a half-dozen passes with the monster turbo boost he was
running.  The weak link in the thermal system is the piston crown, not the
valve material. 
I think I heard Rick say that once...
 
Karl P.


Skip,

RE: 1750F EGT

My engineering book shows that the melting temperature of Aluminum (ie.
pistons) is 1250F
Iconnel is 2450F
Stainless Steel is 2750F

I think I'd worry more about the pistons than the valves.

I know the pistons are an alloy of Aluminun, but still.....

JG
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From yesford at clear.net.nz  Wed Oct  1 15:27:11 2008
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:27:11 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] Anyone want a project car?
References: <7AEFD8AD-ABA0-4C03-9222-D8D745A13CEF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D5AA45A02050428897651533EE4EF96C@ChrisHarrisPC>

Wes, great little project, would make handy parts chaser. Steering on wrong 
side though....................LOL.
Regards,
Chris Harris.....................NZed.

> http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=733005&nid=443&tab=list/view&ad=867032

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Wed Oct  1 15:46:46 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:46:46 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
In-Reply-To: <100120082039.8233.48E3E00C000F3BAB0000202922007507440101090E030906@comcast.net>
References: <100120082039.8233.48E3E00C000F3BAB0000202922007507440101090E030906@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D8610E0D64EC4ADD90CE63334C47B926@DaveSatellite>

Sigh.. think about the thermal loading and where it goes.. bigger sigh...
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jgmagoo at comcast.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo


> Skip,
>
> RE: 1750F EGT
>
> My engineering book shows that the melting temperature of Aluminum (ie. 
> pistons) is 1250F
> Iconnel is 2450F
> Stainless Steel is 2750F
>
> I think I'd worry more about the pistons than the valves.
>
> I know the pistons are an alloy of Aluminun, but still.....
>
> JG
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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Wed Oct  1 16:11:33 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:11:33 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
In-Reply-To: <100120082039.8233.48E3E00C000F3BAB000020292200750744010109
	0E030906@comcast.net>
References: <100120082039.8233.48E3E00C000F3BAB0000202922007507440101090E030906@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20081001221141.15BA2187646@autox.team.net>

Very good logic but I'm failing valves.....not pistons. And not due 
to heat. Jack: No, of course not. On the EGT question, I'm just 
trying to find out what others are experiencing.
Skip




At 01:39 PM 10/1/2008, you wrote:
>Skip,
>
>RE: 1750F EGT
>
>My engineering book shows that the melting temperature of Aluminum 
>(ie. pistons) is 1250F
>Iconnel is 2450F
>Stainless Steel is 2750F
>
>I think I'd worry more about the pistons than the valves.
>
>I know the pistons are an alloy of Aluminun, but still.....
>
>JG
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Wed Oct  1 20:35:17 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:35:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
In-Reply-To: <940877.85648.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <940877.85648.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48E43365.6090903@wildblue.net>

In addition to piston crown which will fail catastrophically, the 
turbine in turbo
will erode, slowly erasing the turbine blades. You hope it's slow. 
breaking a turbine
blade usually eats the entire turbo. Thank god it rarely happens.

I have forgotten what the suggested max was on the Rayjay 400F I used. I 
can
look it up if it's important.
I think it was 1700. When I ran 1800, I didn't notice problem with the 
turbine, but
I didn't have a Pro. look at it. Only made two runs at 15 PSIG.

Also, with a turbo, EGT at one port 6" from the valve seat will be lower 
than just
after the primary pipes merge. Significantly lower. On a dyno with the 
lights out
and at night, this becomes very apparent. On a turbo Offy, the primary's 
are a nice
bright read until they merge. At that point the secondary pipe becomes 
almost white
hot! It drips down to bright all the way to the turbine inlet. The 
turbine housing is
red but not so bright and the pipe out of the turbo is barely red hot.

The blend of gasoline is important when you have more than about 10 PSIG 
boost.
ERC E8 has additives that carry more heat out of the combustion chamber than
normal racing gas. The additive isn't cheap.

Bryan



Karl Payne wrote:
> Totally agree with the piston-before-valve comment.  Ask Rick Byrnes how his
> pistons looked after a half-dozen passes with the monster turbo boost he was
> running.  The weak link in the thermal system is the piston crown, not the
> valve material. 
> I think I heard Rick say that once...
>  
> Karl P.
> 
> 
> Skip,
> 
> RE: 1750F EGT
> 
> My engineering book shows that the melting temperature of Aluminum (ie.
> pistons) is 1250F
> Iconnel is 2450F
> Stainless Steel is 2750F
> 
> I think I'd worry more about the pistons than the valves.
> 
> I know the pistons are an alloy of Aluminun, but still.....
> 
> JG
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Wed Oct  1 20:42:30 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:42:30 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
In-Reply-To: <940877.85648.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <940877.85648.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48E43516.1060303@wildblue.net>

In addition to piston crown which will fail catastrophically, the 
turbine in turbo
will erode, slowly erasing the turbine blades. You hope it's slow. 
breaking a turbine
blade usually eats the entire turbo. Thank god it rarely happens.

I have forgotten what the suggested max was on the Rayjay 400F I used. I 
can
look it up if it's important.
I think it was 1700. When I ran 1800, I didn't notice problem with the 
turbine, but
I didn't have a Pro. look at it. Only made two runs at 15 PSIG.

Also, with a turbo, EGT at one port 6" from the valve seat will be lower 
than just
after the primary pipes merge. Significantly lower. On a dyno with the 
lights out
and at night, this becomes very apparent. On a turbo Offy, the primary's 
are a nice
bright read until they merge. At that point the secondary pipe becomes 
almost white
hot! It drops down to bright red all the way to the turbine inlet. The 
turbine housing is
red but not so bright and the pipe out of the turbo is barely red hot.

The blend of gasoline is very important when you have more than about 10 
PSIG boost.
ERC E8 has additives that carry more heat out of the combustion chamber than
normal racing gas. It also has a deep detonation cushion. I got 
detention at 29 PSIG
but not until it was in 6th gear on a FIA return run. Didn't occur on 
the down run.
The additive's aren't cheap.

Cooling piston crowns with oil jets works great, but you can still hole 
one if you
work at it.

Bryan



Karl Payne wrote:
> Totally agree with the piston-before-valve comment.  Ask Rick Byrnes how his
> pistons looked after a half-dozen passes with the monster turbo boost he was
> running.  The weak link in the thermal system is the piston crown, not the
> valve material. 
> I think I heard Rick say that once...
>  
> Karl P.
> 
> 
> Skip,
> 
> RE: 1750F EGT
> 
> My engineering book shows that the melting temperature of Aluminum (ie.
> pistons) is 1250F
> Iconnel is 2450F
> Stainless Steel is 2750F
> 
> I think I'd worry more about the pistons than the valves.
> 
> I know the pistons are an alloy of Aluminun, but still.....
> 
> JG
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> You are subscribed as karlepayne55 at yahoo.com
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed Oct  1 21:30:13 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:30:13 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
References: <940877.85648.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<48E43516.1060303@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <004c01c9243f$44995990$6401a8c0@S>

Any of the LSR community using oil jet cooling in an engine where it wasn't
original equipment?
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
To: <karlepayne55 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "land-speed-digest" <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <jgmagoo at comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
> (snip) ....
> Cooling piston crowns with oil jets works great, but you can still hole
> one if you work at it.
> Bryan

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Wed Oct  1 22:52:03 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:52:03 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
In-Reply-To: <004c01c9243f$44995990$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <20081002005203.AD4FY.566403.imail@fed1rmwml35>

Yes ---valve springs and Pistons


---- Ed Weldon <23.weldon at comcast.net> wrote: 
> Any of the LSR community using oil jet cooling in an engine where it wasn't
> original equipment?

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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Thu Oct  2 09:05:52 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:05:52 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
In-Reply-To: <48E43365.6090903@wildblue.net>
References: <940877.85648.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<48E43365.6090903@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <808F3BB522394345B75787D233D800EC@DaveSatellite>

The thermal loading is very simple... In contact with the piston made of 
aluminum that dissipates heat very well are the following.. Cylinder walls 
at probably 180 to 200 degrees, oil a little bit warmer, piston pin and 
connecting rod, more important air and fuel during overlap.. With all this 
going on it is pretty hard to melt a piston unless the tune-up is a mile off 
the fuel completely inappropriate. Sure you can hurt one but an egt of 1750 
is not the real problem. By the way most good turbine wheels are ceramic now 
and pretty tough to hurt, saying that you can break anything if you have 
your mind set on it.

In Skips case I think if he put a blower cam in the engine most of his 
problems would go away...An intercooler would be a real plus as well..
Dave 

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Oct  2 09:49:31 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:49:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
References: <940877.85648.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48E43516.1060303@wildblue.net>
	<004c01c9243f$44995990$6401a8c0@S>
	<001d01c924a3$21c927b0$6501a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <002001c924a6$79ec9a50$6401a8c0@S>

Rick -- To try and estimate an oil flow rate for each cylinder on the turbo
Ford 2.3 engine can you answer some questions?
1. What was the size of each the oil "nozzle"; i.e. cossectional area?
2.  What SAE grade oil and rough estimate of oil temp during run?
3. What oil pressure?
4.  Rough estimate of HP at power peak?
This'll help with some rough heat transfer calcs.
thanks,  Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
To: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>; "Bryan Savage"
<b.a.savage at wildblue.net>; <karlepayne55 at yahoo.com>; "land Speed List"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Cc: "land-speed-digest" <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <jgmagoo at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo


> I used oil squirters on my turbo Ford 2.3 engines in the Merk and will do
so
> again when I start adding POP to the N/A combination.
(snip)
> Rick

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Oct  2 09:49:31 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:49:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
References: <940877.85648.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48E43516.1060303@wildblue.net>
	<004c01c9243f$44995990$6401a8c0@S>
	<001d01c924a3$21c927b0$6501a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <002001c924a6$79ec9a50$6401a8c0@S>

Rick -- To try and estimate an oil flow rate for each cylinder on the turbo
Ford 2.3 engine can you answer some questions?
1. What was the size of each the oil "nozzle"; i.e. cossectional area?
2.  What SAE grade oil and rough estimate of oil temp during run?
3. What oil pressure?
4.  Rough estimate of HP at power peak?
This'll help with some rough heat transfer calcs.
thanks,  Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Byrnes" <Rick at RBMotorsports.com>
To: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>; "Bryan Savage"
<b.a.savage at wildblue.net>; <karlepayne55 at yahoo.com>; "land Speed List"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Cc: "land-speed-digest" <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <jgmagoo at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo


> I used oil squirters on my turbo Ford 2.3 engines in the Merk and will do
so
> again when I start adding POP to the N/A combination.
(snip)
> Rick

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Oct  2 10:05:22 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:05:22 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
In-Reply-To: <808F3BB522394345B75787D233D800EC@DaveSatellite>
References: <940877.85648.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48E43365.6090903@wildblue.net>
	<808F3BB522394345B75787D233D800EC@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <2A0886F325E54321AB24CE8DFC2732DB@DBTech>

Skip;

Regarding exhaust valves-- the valves are off their seat a good deal of the
time, sitting right in a high velocity hot gas stream. The valves are small
and heat up quickly; they dissipate heat through their valve stems (that's
the reason behind sodium- filled valves) and also into the valve seats when
the valve closes.

The conditions for a piston are completely different.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ



-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Dave Dahlgren
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:06 AM
To: Bryan Savage; karlepayne55 at yahoo.com
Cc: land-speed-digest; jgmagoo at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo

The thermal loading is very simple... In contact with the piston made of 
aluminum that dissipates heat very well are the following.. Cylinder walls 
at probably 180 to 200 degrees, oil a little bit warmer, piston pin and 
connecting rod, more important air and fuel during overlap.. With all this 
going on it is pretty hard to melt a piston unless the tune-up is a mile off

the fuel completely inappropriate. Sure you can hurt one but an egt of 1750 
is not the real problem. By the way most good turbine wheels are ceramic now

and pretty tough to hurt, saying that you can break anything if you have 
your mind set on it.

In Skips case I think if he put a blower cam in the engine most of his 
problems would go away...An intercooler would be a real plus as well..
Dave 
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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Oct  2 14:04:28 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:04:28 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 1750 EGT>From>JGMagoo
In-Reply-To: <808F3BB522394345B75787D233D800EC@DaveSatellite>
References: <940877.85648.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<48E43365.6090903@wildblue.net>
	<808F3BB522394345B75787D233D800EC@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <20081002200434.36686187869@autox.team.net>

Thanks Dave,
Intercooler is on the way. The cam grinder says that the cam is just 
fine for the application and the engine does what I think it should.

During the process of trying to figure out what is causing 
problems....I found that the installed seat pressure is low. We got 
the engine hot at SW and I did not replace the springs for WOS. 
Floating valves have interfered with each other and I believe have 
caused all the damage. The intercooler will help lots of things and 
new springs (on the way) will keep the valves from arguing with each 
other. Also Crower rockers should stop rocker breakage.

Thanks all,
Skip



At 08:05 AM 10/2/2008, Dave Dahlgren wrote:
>The thermal loading is very simple... In contact with the piston made of
>aluminum that dissipates heat very well are the following.. Cylinder walls
>at probably 180 to 200 degrees, oil a little bit warmer, piston pin and
>connecting rod, more important air and fuel during overlap.. With all this
>going on it is pretty hard to melt a piston unless the tune-up is a mile off
>the fuel completely inappropriate. Sure you can hurt one but an egt of 1750
>is not the real problem. By the way most good turbine wheels are ceramic now
>and pretty tough to hurt, saying that you can break anything if you have
>your mind set on it.
>
>In Skips case I think if he put a blower cam in the engine most of his
>problems would go away...An intercooler would be a real plus as well..
>Dave

From Joetimney at dol.net  Fri Oct  3 13:28:18 2008
From: Joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:28:18 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Head restrainsts
Message-ID: <48E67252.5090205@dol.net>

A few weeks ago there was a discussion about Hans Devices and head side 
padding. Here is the video I was looking for. Look closely to the 
drivers goggles...they fly out the window. These side wings on the seat 
tops are worthless.

As they so...a picture is worth a thousand words.

Just trying to keep us safe,
joe

http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/store/track-safety/win-nets/cage-nets

Scroll to the bottom of the page  to:  "Why You Need A Right Side Net". 
   And there's the video.   (if the link doesn't work, go to  HMS's 
website, and choose TRACK SAFETY from the menu on the left.)

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri Oct  3 14:39:37 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:39:37 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Head restrainsts
References: <48E67252.5090205@dol.net>
Message-ID: <008801c92598$276c3770$6501a8c0@Glens>

Joe
Thanks for your input, lessons learned. 
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Timney" <Joetimney at dol.net>
To: "Land-speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 1:28 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Head restrainsts


>A few weeks ago there was a discussion about Hans Devices and head side 
> padding. Here is the video I was looking for. Look closely to the 
> drivers goggles...they fly out the window. These side wings on the seat 
> tops are worthless.
> 
> As they so...a picture is worth a thousand words.
> 
> Just trying to keep us safe,
> joe
> 
> http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/store/track-safety/win-nets/cage-nets
> 
> Scroll to the bottom of the page  to:  "Why You Need A Right Side Net". 
>   And there's the video.   (if the link doesn't work, go to  HMS's 
> website, and choose TRACK SAFETY from the menu on the left.)
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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  3 15:03:03 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:03:03 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Head restrainsts
References: <48E67252.5090205@dol.net>
Message-ID: <002b01c9259b$6e299fb0$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>

So far I haven't seen anyone wearing goggles with a full face helmet like 
they did back in the 90's when that was a way many in NASCAR did it. Also 
goes to show what a little racer tape can do for you......JD
----- Original Message ----- 
Subject: [Land-speed] Head restrainsts


>A few weeks ago there was a discussion about Hans Devices and head side
> padding. Here is the video I was looking for. Look closely to the
> drivers goggles...they fly out the window. These side wings on the seat
> tops are worthless.
>
> As they so...a picture is worth a thousand words.
>
> Just trying to keep us safe,
> joe

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Sat Oct  4 13:01:52 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:01:52 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos
Message-ID: <49282.1223146912@nancyandjon.org>

They don't work for me, either -- on either of two computers, on either the
landracing.com site or here onb the ladn-speed
list.  I'll try with a different ISP later on...

Jon

On Fri Oct  3 18:08 , Ray Buck  sent:

>I finally finished editing the photos from World of Speed and
>organized 'em a bit.  I did this a little differently than
>usual.  I've got one section for photos that kinda "popped" and
>caught my eye as being representative of the things I saw during that
>event.  And I did a thing on photo sequences...generally of race cars
>and bikes through the staging lanes and then at the start line and
>down course.  I dunno if this works for people or not.  Feedback,
>constructive criticism and error correction would be very well
>received.   Then I added a section for detail photos...well, what was
>left over after the other sections.
>
>I'm pleased with the quality of most of the photos.  I think I'm
>finally getting used to the Canon 40D and a lot of its
>features.  It's a very nice camera.  Best I've ever owned.  I'll be
>using it, along with a rented 100-400mm "L Series" lens for WF.  I'm
>gonna try to improve on the long-distance speed shots.  We'll see
>what happens.  My worst fears are that I'll break it (I'm definitely
>not gonna set it somewhere that the wind can sent it sailing...sorry
>about that, Pork Pie) or that I'll like it so much that I'll have to
>go buy one.  I really can't afford something like that as a "whim"
>purchase.  (Retail is $2400...Amazon sells 'em for $1400.)  So I'll
>just take it back to the place I'm renting it for and bring all the
>will power I can muster with me.  If I was still married, I spose a
>wife would be a good way to keep from spending that money.  :)
>
>Anyway, the WoS photos are here:
>http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html>http://www.chevyasylum.c
om/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html
>
>
>I hope they're enjoyable for ya
>
>RtR
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From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Sat Oct  4 13:34:08 2008
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:34:08 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos
References: <49282.1223146912@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <389D9C60E1F04DB8881CABD93540B1E9@531W>

Try this..

  http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html


 It looks like the URL got doubled somehow..
--------------------------------------------------
From: <jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 3:01 PM
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos

> They don't work for me, either -- on either of two computers, on either 
> the
> landracing.com site or here onb the ladn-speed
> list.  I'll try with a different ISP later on...
>
> Jon
>
>
>>
>>I hope they're enjoyable for ya
>>
>>RtR

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sun Oct  5 08:57:11 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:57:11 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] World Finals
Message-ID: <001501c926fa$a65cd130$6501a8c0@Glens>

MEET is cancelled due to flooding on the salt. Official word is on SCTA and
landracing.com
Glen

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From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Sun Oct  5 10:36:06 2008
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:36:06 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] World Finals
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20ACEE3F5@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

Another towing vacation to Nebraska. What is it with even numbered years?  
Headed East on  I80.....depressed.
 We did get a Nebraska Coffee Mug from the truck stop this time.

Mike M.

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Subject: [Land-speed] World Finals

MEET is cancelled due to flooding on the salt. Official word is on SCTA and
landracing.com
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Oct  5 10:44:58 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:44:58 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <E1KmI9j-0002uP-QO@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
References: <E1Kltox-00012Y-M7@mx04.mta.xmission.com><178482.56432.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E1KmI9j-0002uP-QO@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <1E478D3238934F158FE72817010564CB@DBTech>

I enjoyed your photos too, Ray-- thanks. I had no trouble seeing them.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Ray Buck
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 6:07 PM
To: fosterap at flash.net; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos

Thank you Jerry.  I'm glad you enjoyed them

RtR


At 07:06 AM 10/4/2008, JERRY FOSTER wrote:
>Great photos as usual, Ray........thanks!
>
>Jerry in Dallas
>
>
>--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Ray Buck <rbuck at xmission.com> wrote:
>From: Ray Buck <rbuck at xmission.com>
>Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos
>To: land-speed at autox.team.net
>Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 6:08 PM
>
>
>I finally finished editing the photos from World of Speed and
>
>organized 'em a bit.  I did this a little differently than
>
>usual.  I've got one section for photos that kinda "popped" and
>
>caught my eye as being representative of the things I saw during that
>
>event.  And I did a thing on photo sequences...generally of race cars
>
>and bikes through the staging lanes and then at the start line and
>
>down course.  I dunno if this works for people or not.  Feedback,
>
>constructive criticism and error correction would be very well
>
>received.   Then I added a section for detail photos...well, what was
>
>left over after the other sections.
>
>
>I'm pleased with the quality of most of the photos.  I think I'm
>
>finally getting used to the Canon 40D and a lot of its
>
>features.  It's a very nice camera.  Best I've ever owned.  I'll be
>
>
>using it, along with a rented 100-400mm "L Series" lens for WF.
>
>I'm
>
>gonna try to improve on the long-distance speed shots.  We'll see
>
>what happens.  My worst fears are that I'll break it (I'm definitely
>
>not gonna set it somewhere that the wind can sent it sailing...sorry
>
>about that, Pork Pie) or that I'll like it so much that I'll have to
>
>go buy one.  I really can't afford something like that as a
>
>"whim"
>
>purchase.  (Retail is $2400...Amazon sells 'em for $1400.)  So I'll
>
>just take it back to the place I'm renting it for and bring all the
>
>will power I can muster with me.  If I was still married, I spose a
>
>wife would be a good way to keep from spending that money.  :)
>
>
>Anyway, the WoS photos are here:
>
><http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html>http://www.chevyasylum
.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html
>
>
>
>
>I hope they're enjoyable for ya
>
>
>RtR
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Oct  5 14:22:50 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:22:50 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Ray Bucks World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <E1KmI9j-0002uP-QO@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
References: <E1Kltox-00012Y-M7@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
	<178482.56432.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E1KmI9j-0002uP-QO@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <48E9221A.6080502@wildblue.net>

Ray,

I used:

http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html

With:

MAC OS X 10.4.11

ISP = WildBlue.net

Firefox 3.0.3

Opera 9.52

I have  the junk blockers turned on. I just use the basic firewall
in the Router. No Anti Virus software needed with PowerPC
and OS X unless you're totally brain dead.

The photos were great and your site was very friendly,
easy to use and very fast.

Thanks for all of your good work,
Bryan

(an OLD retired IBM programmer[not software engineer])

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Oct  5 14:41:35 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:41:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <6B38DE9492F6492FA9F63AD77842147F@dim8100>
References: <6B38DE9492F6492FA9F63AD77842147F@dim8100>
Message-ID: <48E9267F.5050303@wildblue.net>

Good for you Elon and good luck.

Some ISP's seem to think they own the Internet and everything should be
done their way.

Bryan



Elon wrote:
> Ray, you will love this.  I just got off the phone with Comcast Tech support
> (actually the line dropped dead after he killed my modem remotely). As you
> know I have been working this issue for the past week. I have two Comcast
> trouble tickets started and no one has bothered to call me back. Each time I
> asked the tech to try and log onto your web site. Both were SUCCESSFUL while
> my computer timed-out. Tonight I asked the tech to do the same thing. While
> I stood by, he was able to access your home page and my computer can't. I
> was incredulous and then he explained!  He is in Newfoundland and the
> Canadian US telecom agreement does NOT ALLOW them to use Comcast! Something
> about how a ISP can't cross an international border or some such crap.  So
> we now have outsourced tech support, that can't even use the ISP they are
> supporting. All 3 of my calls last week were also in Canada. They all could
> log onto your site. However, none of them bothered to tell me it was with a
> different ISP!  I'm not giving up on this. I have all trouble tickets, times
> and names. As soon as I calm down I will search out Comcast senior
> management and start emailing them.    -Elon

From rbuck at xmission.com  Sun Oct  5 14:43:31 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:43:31 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Ray Bucks World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <48E9221A.6080502@wildblue.net>
References: <E1Kltox-00012Y-M7@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
	<178482.56432.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<E1KmI9j-0002uP-QO@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
	<48E9221A.6080502@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <E1KmaWP-0003MQ-VQ@mx04.mta.xmission.com>

Thank you for that info.  Sounds like it's not an Apple thing 
entirely...and your email came through without any of the strange 
characters I've seen in some other Apple users' email.

I'm glad you were able to access the site and I'm pleased that you 
enjoyed the photos.

RtR
(also a retired old programmer...even spent some time with RPG on 
AS/400s...but mainly Delphi for PCs and interfaces and HP3000 COBOL 
before that.)


At 02:22 PM 10/5/2008, Bryan Savage wrote:

>Ray,
>
>I used:
>
>http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html
>
>With:
>
>MAC OS X 10.4.11
>
>ISP = WildBlue.net
>
>Firefox 3.0.3
>
>Opera 9.52
>
>I have  the junk blockers turned on. I just use the basic firewall
>in the Router. No Anti Virus software needed with PowerPC
>and OS X unless you're totally brain dead.
>
>The photos were great and your site was very friendly,
>easy to use and very fast.
>
>Thanks for all of your good work,
>Bryan
>
>(an OLD retired IBM programmer[not software engineer])

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Oct  5 14:44:26 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:44:26 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <FE157D242FB24AF0BAE639CF16C26F3A@dim8100>
References: <FE157D242FB24AF0BAE639CF16C26F3A@dim8100>
Message-ID: <48E9272A.9020905@wildblue.net>

Elon,

Can you try dial up?

Bryan

Elon wrote:
> Dave, you may be on to something. I assume all Comcast users use their high
> speed modem. Cable or telecom . . they are all the same to me. My phone and
> TV also are provided by Comcast.  -Elon
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Dahlgren Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:31 AM
> Interesting they are both cable companies rather than telecom..  May be a 
> hardware problem with the cable modem design. I wonder if the people that 
> have had a problem all have the same modem with some default security 
> setting that may or may not be able to be changed?????
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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 08:18:15 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Looking for Goodyear LSR tires
Message-ID: <4051.2586.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If anybody has a pair of 29" Goodyear lsr tires that they are willing to part
with, please contact me off list.
 
Thanks
 
DickJ
In East Texas 

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  6 12:04:13 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:04:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] West Coast Timing Association
Message-ID: <213355.8937.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Anybody know anything about the West Coast Timing Association and their
planned 1 kilometer runs in Nevada?
 
DickJ
In East Texas

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Mon Oct  6 17:39:23 2008
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:39:23 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] WFinals
Message-ID: <000a01c9280c$c43becf0$6501a8c0@Rick>

Well, I'm back home and finally able to post here again.
I flew a round trip to SLC yesterday and really am much worse for the wear.
Boy, I'm sure not as resilient as I have been in years past.
Bregt had made it to Wyoming when I got to him and may get home tonight.
When we all recover from this ordeal, we will discuss going to Maxton this
month.  He is really keen on running the car and getting seat time.  We sure
could use some de-bug time even though we tested on a dyna-pack which
basically proved out the powertrain,  There are still so many things that can
go wrong.
So, back to work on my car.  I'm hoping to have the rear suspension parts all
tacked together so we can look at movement and have a number of my counselors
input.  Front end is coming along and I just have to decide on wheels/tires to
start making parts.  Spindles are welded, and going to heat treat this week,
then final machining. (grinding).  Lots to do, and not enough time to do it
in.....
OH JOYFUL ME

Rick

From saltfevr at q.com  Mon Oct  6 21:24:28 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:24:28 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] West Coast Timing Association
In-Reply-To: <213355.8937.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <213355.8937.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W43D5DE672102B69935DEA2C9380@phx.gbl>

Dick;

Go to: http://www.landracing.com  scroll down through LSR forums and find the
West Coast Timing Assoc threads. Jon W filed a report with pics. EnjoyTom
ShannonMagna, Utah> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:04:13 -0700> From:
lsr_man at yahoo.com> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Subject: [Land-speed] West
Coast Timing Association> > Anybody know anything about the West Coast Timing
Association and their> planned 1 kilometer runs in Nevada?> > DickJ> In East
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From saltfevr at q.com  Mon Oct  6 21:33:24 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:33:24 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Hightower, Waters & highby? AA/FD
In-Reply-To: <C46A4574B0B64C73AB4B676BD8ADD4A2@Dale>
References: <C46A4574B0B64C73AB4B676BD8ADD4A2@Dale>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W272EB71118BEA55C228DD5C9380@phx.gbl>

Dale;

Good to hear from 'ya bud. 'Ya never know where "old" drag racers will turn
up? LOL Missed you at WOS. Say hi to the Pahrump coffee clotch group!!

Tom ShannonMagna, Utah



From: d.pulju at pahrump.comTo: ;Subject: Hightower, Waters & highby? AA/FDDate:
Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:27:54 -0700



tonight at the  rockhound meeting I was talking to Jim Waters the trip leader
for the rock club the last 4years. Tonight we got on the subject of racing and
I found out he is the Waters in the Hightower, Waters,& higby? AA/FD , the
first dragster over 190mph. Now he hunts rocks and launches rockets into the
air.
dale

From saltfevr at q.com  Mon Oct  6 22:16:48 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:16:48 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] (non lsr)So Cal Car Culture
Message-ID: <BAY122-W55E7FF8D74500407F0AFC0C9380@phx.gbl>

Not wanting to start a Left Coast vs. Right Coast debate,a friend sent me this
So Cal Car Culture Review. Not all inclusive,but a vintage pic of Riverside
plus a nice link to Big Willie. Enjoy,as you think about what might have been
at World Finals.
http://www.speedhunters.com/archive/2008/10/02the-101-gt-gt-socal-car-culture
.aspx




Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri Oct  3 14:39:37 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:39:37 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Head restrainsts
References: <48E67252.5090205@dol.net>
Message-ID: <008801c92598$276c3770$6501a8c0@Glens>

Joe
Thanks for your input, lessons learned. 
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Timney" <Joetimney at dol.net>
To: "Land-speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 1:28 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Head restrainsts


>A few weeks ago there was a discussion about Hans Devices and head side 
> padding. Here is the video I was looking for. Look closely to the 
> drivers goggles...they fly out the window. These side wings on the seat 
> tops are worthless.
> 
> As they so...a picture is worth a thousand words.
> 
> Just trying to keep us safe,
> joe
> 
> http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/store/track-safety/win-nets/cage-nets
> 
> Scroll to the bottom of the page  to:  "Why You Need A Right Side Net". 
>   And there's the video.   (if the link doesn't work, go to  HMS's 
> website, and choose TRACK SAFETY from the menu on the left.)
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From rbuck at xmission.com  Fri Oct  3 17:08:23 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:08:23 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos
Message-ID: <E1Kltox-00012Y-M7@mx04.mta.xmission.com>

I finally finished editing the photos from World of Speed and 
organized 'em a bit.  I did this a little differently than 
usual.  I've got one section for photos that kinda "popped" and 
caught my eye as being representative of the things I saw during that 
event.  And I did a thing on photo sequences...generally of race cars 
and bikes through the staging lanes and then at the start line and 
down course.  I dunno if this works for people or not.  Feedback, 
constructive criticism and error correction would be very well 
received.   Then I added a section for detail photos...well, what was 
left over after the other sections.

I'm pleased with the quality of most of the photos.  I think I'm 
finally getting used to the Canon 40D and a lot of its 
features.  It's a very nice camera.  Best I've ever owned.  I'll be 
using it, along with a rented 100-400mm "L Series" lens for WF.  I'm 
gonna try to improve on the long-distance speed shots.  We'll see 
what happens.  My worst fears are that I'll break it (I'm definitely 
not gonna set it somewhere that the wind can sent it sailing...sorry 
about that, Pork Pie) or that I'll like it so much that I'll have to 
go buy one.  I really can't afford something like that as a "whim" 
purchase.  (Retail is $2400...Amazon sells 'em for $1400.)  So I'll 
just take it back to the place I'm renting it for and bring all the 
will power I can muster with me.  If I was still married, I spose a 
wife would be a good way to keep from spending that money.  :)

Anyway, the WoS photos are here:
<http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html>http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html 


I hope they're enjoyable for ya

RtR  

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Oct  3 19:45:19 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:45:19 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Head restrainsts
In-Reply-To: <48E67252.5090205@dol.net>
References: <48E67252.5090205@dol.net>
Message-ID: <20081004014512.A305B187874@autox.team.net>

I must be doing something wrong....can't get the video to play.

Skip




At 12:28 PM 10/3/2008, Joe Timney wrote:
>A few weeks ago there was a discussion about Hans Devices and head side
>padding. Here is the video I was looking for. Look closely to the
>drivers goggles...they fly out the window. These side wings on the seat
>tops are worthless.
>
>As they so...a picture is worth a thousand words.
>
>Just trying to keep us safe,
>joe
>
>http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/store/track-safety/win-nets/cage-nets
>
>Scroll to the bottom of the page  to:  "Why You Need A Right Side Net".
>    And there's the video.   (if the link doesn't work, go to  HMS's
>website, and choose TRACK SAFETY from the menu on the left.)
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From fosterap at flash.net  Sat Oct  4 07:06:16 2008
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 06:06:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <E1Kltox-00012Y-M7@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <178482.56432.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Great photos as usual, Ray........thanks!
 
Jerry in Dallas


--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Ray Buck <rbuck at xmission.com> wrote:

From: Ray Buck <rbuck at xmission.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 6:08 PM

I finally finished editing the photos from World of Speed and
organized 'em a bit.  I did this a little differently than
usual.  I've got one section for photos that kinda "popped" and
caught my eye as being representative of the things I saw during that
event.  And I did a thing on photo sequences...generally of race cars
and bikes through the staging lanes and then at the start line and
down course.  I dunno if this works for people or not.  Feedback,
constructive criticism and error correction would be very well
received.   Then I added a section for detail photos...well, what was
left over after the other sections.

I'm pleased with the quality of most of the photos.  I think I'm
finally getting used to the Canon 40D and a lot of its
features.  It's a very nice camera.  Best I've ever owned.  I'll be

using it, along with a rented 100-400mm "L Series" lens for WF.
I'm
gonna try to improve on the long-distance speed shots.  We'll see
what happens.  My worst fears are that I'll break it (I'm definitely
not gonna set it somewhere that the wind can sent it sailing...sorry
about that, Pork Pie) or that I'll like it so much that I'll have to
go buy one.  I really can't afford something like that as a
"whim"
purchase.  (Retail is $2400...Amazon sells 'em for $1400.)  So I'll
just take it back to the place I'm renting it for and bring all the
will power I can muster with me.  If I was still married, I spose a
wife would be a good way to keep from spending that money.  :)

Anyway, the WoS photos are here:
<http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html>http://www.chevyasylum.c
om/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html



I hope they're enjoyable for ya

RtR

From DAW1 at comcast.net  Sat Oct  4 07:16:07 2008
From: DAW1 at comcast.net (DAW1)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <E1Kltox-00012Y-M7@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
References: <E1Kltox-00012Y-M7@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <55B514D91DA44B78B2CA7758B046A5D0@SallyPC>

Ray, I couldn't get the link to work. Your pics are always great, thanks for 
posting them.  dw
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:08 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos


>I finally finished editing the photos from World of Speed and
> organized 'em a bit.  I did this a little differently than
> usual.  I've got one section for photos that kinda "popped" and
> caught my eye as being representative of the things I saw during that
> event.  And I did a thing on photo sequences...generally of race cars
> and bikes through the staging lanes and then at the start line and
> down course.  I dunno if this works for people or not.  Feedback,
> constructive criticism and error correction would be very well
> received.   Then I added a section for detail photos...well, what was
> left over after the other sections.
>
> I'm pleased with the quality of most of the photos.  I think I'm
> finally getting used to the Canon 40D and a lot of its
> features.  It's a very nice camera.  Best I've ever owned.  I'll be
> using it, along with a rented 100-400mm "L Series" lens for WF.  I'm
> gonna try to improve on the long-distance speed shots.  We'll see
> what happens.  My worst fears are that I'll break it (I'm definitely
> not gonna set it somewhere that the wind can sent it sailing...sorry
> about that, Pork Pie) or that I'll like it so much that I'll have to
> go buy one.  I really can't afford something like that as a "whim"
> purchase.  (Retail is $2400...Amazon sells 'em for $1400.)  So I'll
> just take it back to the place I'm renting it for and bring all the
> will power I can muster with me.  If I was still married, I spose a
> wife would be a good way to keep from spending that money.  :)
>
> Anyway, the WoS photos are here:
> <http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html>http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html
>
>
> I hope they're enjoyable for ya
>
> RtR
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Oct  4 13:41:24 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:41:24 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <389D9C60E1F04DB8881CABD93540B1E9@531W>
References: <49282.1223146912@nancyandjon.org>
	<389D9C60E1F04DB8881CABD93540B1E9@531W>
Message-ID: <48E7C6E4.3010400@wildblue.net>

That worked for me John.

Bryan

John Szalay wrote:
> Try this..
> 
>   http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat Oct  4 13:46:47 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:46:47 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos
References: <49282.1223146912@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <006d01c92659$f06a4150$6501a8c0@Glens>

They opened for me, but I live in Utah. Maybe that's the connection. lol
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos


> They don't work for me, either -- on either of two computers, on either 
> the
> landracing.com site or here onb the ladn-speed
> list.  I'll try with a different ISP later on...
>
> Jon
>
> On Fri Oct  3 18:08 , Ray Buck  sent:
>
>>I finally finished editing the photos from World of Speed and
>>organized 'em a bit.  I did this a little differently than
>>usual.  I've got one section for photos that kinda "popped" and
>>caught my eye as being representative of the things I saw during that
>>event.  And I did a thing on photo sequences...generally of race cars
>>and bikes through the staging lanes and then at the start line and
>>down course.  I dunno if this works for people or not.  Feedback,
>>constructive criticism and error correction would be very well
>>received.   Then I added a section for detail photos...well, what was
>>left over after the other sections.
>>
>>I'm pleased with the quality of most of the photos.  I think I'm
>>finally getting used to the Canon 40D and a lot of its
>>features.  It's a very nice camera.  Best I've ever owned.  I'll be
>>using it, along with a rented 100-400mm "L Series" lens for WF.  I'm
>>gonna try to improve on the long-distance speed shots.  We'll see
>>what happens.  My worst fears are that I'll break it (I'm definitely
>>not gonna set it somewhere that the wind can sent it sailing...sorry
>>about that, Pork Pie) or that I'll like it so much that I'll have to
>>go buy one.  I really can't afford something like that as a "whim"
>>purchase.  (Retail is $2400...Amazon sells 'em for $1400.)  So I'll
>>just take it back to the place I'm renting it for and bring all the
>>will power I can muster with me.  If I was still married, I spose a
>>wife would be a good way to keep from spending that money.  :)
>>
>>Anyway, the WoS photos are here:
>>http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html>http://www.chevyasylum.c
> om/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html
>>
>>
>>I hope they're enjoyable for ya
>>
>>RtR
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>>
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>>
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Sat Oct  4 17:57:41 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:57:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed photos
Message-ID: <44742B74AA3A49F3BA1C213AF5E8A981@dim8100>

Same here. I have turned off pop-up blocker, lowered all security to none,
and accept all cookies; but no joy on what I am sure are great pics. :-(
-Elon



Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:16:07 -0400

From: "DAW1" <DAW1 at comcast.net>

Ray, I couldn't get the link to work. Your pics are always great, thanks for


posting them.  dw

From rbuck at xmission.com  Sat Oct  4 19:06:49 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:06:49 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <44742B74AA3A49F3BA1C213AF5E8A981@dim8100>
References: <44742B74AA3A49F3BA1C213AF5E8A981@dim8100>
Message-ID: <E1KmI9M-0002tO-8A@mx04.mta.xmission.com>

There's one thing in common with all the people (4, now, I think, out 
of the 35,000 successful hits over the last 4 days) who are having 
trouble.  They're all on Comcast or Cox.  I spent a great deal of 
time this morning and again this afternoon verifying my site's 
visibility from numerous isps AND from several tech support 
centers.  All of them have been able to access it.  Unfortunately, 
there are a couple of users on Cox who don't want to take the 20 
minutes to get through to the script readers in their support 
centers.  I can't say I blame them, but that doesn't mean that the 
problem is with my server.

One person suggested that I move my site to a place where it would 
only cost me a couple hundred dollars a month to move all the domains 
I administer and the thousands of photos I have.  I can't afford that 
to please one person who isn't willing to wait for a few minutes to 
troubleshoot their own problem, especially because I'm disabled, 
retired and on a fixed income.

Please forgive me if I sound irritated.  It's only because I've spent 
most of the day trying to resolve this issue for the VERY few who 
can't get thru and ALL of whom have the same providers.

My suggestion is this: go to a different computer that isn't served 
by Comcast or Cox.  Try to access my site.  You should have no 
trouble.  This should be sufficient to narrow down the 
problem.  Getting it fixed could be a little more difficult, because 
you'll have to get past the script readers to someone who has the 
ability to actually DO something.  I got rid of Comcast a LONG time 
ago when they started pulling stuff like this on me.

I wish I had better suggestions, but based on experience, evidence 
and statistical success rates, I can't offer anything more.  I'm 
sorry that you can't see the photos I shoot...because that's why I 
shoot them: so that others can see the events on the salt as I see 
them through my camera lens.  If I could fix this problem, I 
would.  But it's not within my scope of control.

Ray


At 05:57 PM 10/4/2008, Elon wrote:
>Same here. I have turned off pop-up blocker, lowered all security to none,
>and accept all cookies; but no joy on what I am sure are great pics. :-(
>-Elon
>
>
>
>Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:16:07 -0400
>
>From: "DAW1" <DAW1 at comcast.net>
>
>Ray, I couldn't get the link to work. Your pics are always great, thanks for
>
>
>posting them.  dw
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From rbuck at xmission.com  Sat Oct  4 19:07:15 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:07:15 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <178482.56432.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <E1Kltox-00012Y-M7@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
	<178482.56432.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1KmI9j-0002uP-QO@mx04.mta.xmission.com>

Thank you Jerry.  I'm glad you enjoyed them

RtR


At 07:06 AM 10/4/2008, JERRY FOSTER wrote:
>Great photos as usual, Ray........thanks!
>
>Jerry in Dallas
>
>
>--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Ray Buck <rbuck at xmission.com> wrote:
>From: Ray Buck <rbuck at xmission.com>
>Subject: [Land-speed] OT: World of Speed photos
>To: land-speed at autox.team.net
>Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 6:08 PM
>
>
>I finally finished editing the photos from World of Speed and
>
>organized 'em a bit.  I did this a little differently than
>
>usual.  I've got one section for photos that kinda "popped" and
>
>caught my eye as being representative of the things I saw during that
>
>event.  And I did a thing on photo sequences...generally of race cars
>
>and bikes through the staging lanes and then at the start line and
>
>down course.  I dunno if this works for people or not.  Feedback,
>
>constructive criticism and error correction would be very well
>
>received.   Then I added a section for detail photos...well, what was
>
>left over after the other sections.
>
>
>I'm pleased with the quality of most of the photos.  I think I'm
>
>finally getting used to the Canon 40D and a lot of its
>
>features.  It's a very nice camera.  Best I've ever owned.  I'll be
>
>
>using it, along with a rented 100-400mm "L Series" lens for WF.
>
>I'm
>
>gonna try to improve on the long-distance speed shots.  We'll see
>
>what happens.  My worst fears are that I'll break it (I'm definitely
>
>not gonna set it somewhere that the wind can sent it sailing...sorry
>
>about that, Pork Pie) or that I'll like it so much that I'll have to
>
>go buy one.  I really can't afford something like that as a
>
>"whim"
>
>purchase.  (Retail is $2400...Amazon sells 'em for $1400.)  So I'll
>
>just take it back to the place I'm renting it for and bring all the
>
>will power I can muster with me.  If I was still married, I spose a
>
>wife would be a good way to keep from spending that money.  :)
>
>
>Anyway, the WoS photos are here:
>
><http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html>http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/wos/Welcome.html
>
>
>
>
>I hope they're enjoyable for ya
>
>
>RtR

From rbuck at xmission.com  Sat Oct  4 19:46:16 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:46:16 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <DEB336C4DECD4259BDD38A7E8D2AEEC3@SallyPC>
References: <44742B74AA3A49F3BA1C213AF5E8A981@dim8100>
	<E1KmI9M-0002tO-8A@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
	<DEB336C4DECD4259BDD38A7E8D2AEEC3@SallyPC>
Message-ID: <E1KmIlW-0004KW-0R@mx04.mta.xmission.com>

Great.  I'm glad the link that was posted worked.  I'll check that 
one off my "issues" list.  Btw, I'm sending this in html and plain 
text.  An email client program should be able to choose which version 
it wants to use, based on option settings or system capability.

Back to work for me.

RtR


At 07:29 PM 10/4/2008, you wrote:
>Ray, I'm guilty I do have comcast. Your pics have always come 
>through before, that's why I wanted to see these and said when I 
>couldn't. I appreciate the time anyone takes to post pics, 
>especially GOOD ones. The second link worked and I thanked Bwana for 
>it. Thanks again for taking and posting, I know it takes lots of time. dw

From saltfever at comcast.net  Sun Oct  5 02:09:54 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 01:09:54 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed photos
Message-ID: <6B38DE9492F6492FA9F63AD77842147F@dim8100>

Ray, you will love this.  I just got off the phone with Comcast Tech support
(actually the line dropped dead after he killed my modem remotely). As you
know I have been working this issue for the past week. I have two Comcast
trouble tickets started and no one has bothered to call me back. Each time I
asked the tech to try and log onto your web site. Both were SUCCESSFUL while
my computer timed-out. Tonight I asked the tech to do the same thing. While
I stood by, he was able to access your home page and my computer can't. I
was incredulous and then he explained!  He is in Newfoundland and the
Canadian US telecom agreement does NOT ALLOW them to use Comcast! Something
about how a ISP can't cross an international border or some such crap.  So
we now have outsourced tech support, that can't even use the ISP they are
supporting. All 3 of my calls last week were also in Canada. They all could
log onto your site. However, none of them bothered to tell me it was with a
different ISP!  I'm not giving up on this. I have all trouble tickets, times
and names. As soon as I calm down I will search out Comcast senior
management and start emailing them.    -Elon



Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:06:49 -0600

From: Ray Buck <rbuck at xmission.com>

There's one thing in common with all the people (4, now, I think, out

of the 35,000 successful hits over the last 4 days) who are having

trouble.  They're all on Comcast or Cox. (Snip . . . )

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sun Oct  5 02:30:57 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 04:30:57 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <6B38DE9492F6492FA9F63AD77842147F@dim8100>
References: <6B38DE9492F6492FA9F63AD77842147F@dim8100>
Message-ID: <26B0CC8CA7F0484DA08C4C6998984813@DaveSatellite>

Interesting they are both cable companies rather than telecom..  May be a 
hardware problem with the cable modem design. I wonder if the people that 
have had a problem all have the same modem with some default security 
setting that may or may not be able to be changed?????
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elon" <saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "land-speed submit" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 4:09 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed photos


> Ray, you will love this.  I just got off the phone with Comcast Tech 
> support
> (actually the line dropped dead after he killed my modem remotely). As you
> know I have been working this issue for the past week. I have two Comcast
> trouble tickets started and no one has bothered to call me back. Each time 
> I
> asked the tech to try and log onto your web site. Both were SUCCESSFUL 
> while
> my computer timed-out. Tonight I asked the tech to do the same thing. 
> While
> I stood by, he was able to access your home page and my computer can't. I
> was incredulous and then he explained!  He is in Newfoundland and the
> Canadian US telecom agreement does NOT ALLOW them to use Comcast! 
> Something
> about how a ISP can't cross an international border or some such crap.  So
> we now have outsourced tech support, that can't even use the ISP they are
> supporting. All 3 of my calls last week were also in Canada. They all 
> could
> log onto your site. However, none of them bothered to tell me it was with 
> a
> different ISP!  I'm not giving up on this. I have all trouble tickets, 
> times
> and names. As soon as I calm down I will search out Comcast senior
> management and start emailing them.    -Elon
>
>
>
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:06:49 -0600
>
> From: Ray Buck <rbuck at xmission.com>
>
> There's one thing in common with all the people (4, now, I think, out
>
> of the 35,000 successful hits over the last 4 days) who are having
>
> trouble.  They're all on Comcast or Cox. (Snip . . . )
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
> You are subscribed as ddahlgren at snet.net
>
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Sun Oct  5 02:46:34 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 01:46:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed photos
In-Reply-To: <26B0CC8CA7F0484DA08C4C6998984813@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <FE157D242FB24AF0BAE639CF16C26F3A@dim8100>

Dave, you may be on to something. I assume all Comcast users use their high
speed modem. Cable or telecom . . they are all the same to me. My phone and
TV also are provided by Comcast.  -Elon

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Dahlgren Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:31 AM
Interesting they are both cable companies rather than telecom..  May be a 
hardware problem with the cable modem design. I wonder if the people that 
have had a problem all have the same modem with some default security 
setting that may or may not be able to be changed?????

From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 10 09:43:58 2008
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] More Electrathon and Kart pics WoS
Message-ID: <312853.86093.qm@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks go to Ray the Rat of http://www.chevyasylum.com fame, and a poster on the electric vehicle discussion list. I have some more WoS kart pics, and links to pics of the other electrathon racers on my pages:

http://explodingdinosaurs.com/saltflats/2008/electrathon

http://explodingdinosaurs.com/saltflats/2008/kart

I like how the Electrathons are mini-streamliners, and a great lower cost entry to the sport.

From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Fri Oct 10 14:26:01 2008
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:26:01 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] World Finals
References: <001501c926fa$a65cd130$6501a8c0@Glens>
Message-ID: <B28911FD0A1640138852AA5149C83E85@531W>

Did the list die after the WF cancel announcement ?





> MEET is cancelled due to flooding on the salt. Official word is on SCTA 
> and
> landracing.com
> Glen

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Oct 11 19:51:05 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:51:05 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] The List...
Message-ID: <48F15809.5080108@mayfco.com>

does not seem to be operating well. Anybody contacted Mark? My other 
lists on his server have also experienced farkles...

mayf

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat Oct 11 20:02:45 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:02:45 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] The List...
References: <48F15809.5080108@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c92c0e$9f64d6c0$6501a8c0@Glens>

Working on my end Mayf. It's just quiet, guess everyone is resting from the 
salt
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 7:51 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] The List...


> does not seem to be operating well. Anybody contacted Mark? My other lists 
> on his server have also experienced farkles...
>
> mayf
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sat Oct 11 20:14:39 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:14:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  The List...
Message-ID: <001201c92c10$4a110ca0$6401a8c0@S>

Fwd to list...Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] The List...


> Mayf --
> There's 14 pretty bright guys meeting in Washington DC tomorrow.  Maybe
the
> problem they are working on has something to do with this.  Most of the
> country outside of us guys living on Social Security and Pensions is in a
> deep blue funk.......
> Ed

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:51 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] The List...
> > does not seem to be operating well. Anybody contacted Mark? My other
> > lists on his server have also experienced farkles...
> > mayf

From dlodom at charter.net  Sat Oct 11 20:46:54 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:46:54 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  The List...
References: <001201c92c10$4a110ca0$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <024901c92c14$cab4e2b0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

I don't think there has been 14 bright guys in Washington DC at one time in 
the last 15 years!
Doug
>
>> Mayf --
>> There's 14 pretty bright guys meeting in Washington DC tomorrow.  Maybe
> the
>> problem they are working on has something to do with this.  Most of the
>> country outside of us guys living on Social Security and Pensions is in a
>> deep blue funk.......
>> Ed

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sat Oct 11 21:27:06 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:27:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR RANT sorry guys but my racing budget just
 took a bad ow-ow last 2 weeks.
References: <001201c92c10$4a110ca0$6401a8c0@S>
	<024901c92c14$cab4e2b0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <001c01c92c1a$68fdb8c0$6401a8c0@S>

Doug --
They are 14 top finance people from other major world nations, group 7, etc.
I suppose it's a slight not to include Bernanke and Paulson as maybe 15 and
16.  I have no problem with Ben Bernanke; but Henry Paulson, for all his
intelligence, capability and current patriotic desire to untangle the mess
HE HELPED TO CREATE  is, IMHO, still an unrepentant robber baron.  These 180
IQ geniuses from the big investment banking firms knew exactly what they
were doing and most have managed to escape with personal golden parachutes
that are beyond your wildest imaginings.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
To: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: The List...


> I don't think there has been 14 bright guys in Washington DC at one time
in
> the last 15 years!
> Doug

> >> Mayf --
> >> There's 14 pretty bright guys meeting in Washington DC tomorrow.  Maybe
> > the
> >> problem they are working on has something to do with this.  Most of the
> >> country outside of us guys living on Social Security and Pensions is in
a
> >> deep blue funk.......
> >> Ed

From kturk at adelphia.net  Sat Oct 11 22:15:02 2008
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:15:02 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] .Hey guys...
References: <001201c92c10$4a110ca0$6401a8c0@S><024901c92c14$cab4e2b0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
	<001c01c92c1a$68fdb8c0$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <002501c92c21$198af5d0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Still hanging in there... Saw some video from Doug's deal at speedweek.... 
pretty impressive....

Tonya and I are well... just dealing with life...  Went to Dave's funneral 
services and they were exceptionally well attended...  Impressive...

Just thought I'd poke my nose in and say Hey...

Keith 

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sun Oct 12 07:16:21 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 9:16:21 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR RANT---NOt sorry guys
In-Reply-To: <001c01c92c1a$68fdb8c0$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <20081012091621.CTAVM.686318.imail@fed1rmwml35>

Ed,

Anyone who thinks that this is caused by anyone other than voters who vote for politicians who promise them something for nothing other than their support---is about to reap the rewards of what of an EXTREME drift toward Socialism at the very least---but most likely Marxism!!!!!
---- Ed Weldon <23.weldon at comcast.net> wrote: 

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sun Oct 12 07:21:52 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 6:21:52 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] .Hey guys...
In-Reply-To: <002501c92c21$198af5d0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <20081012092152.QJQGH.686327.imail@fed1rmwml35>

KT & Tonya---Glad to hear you guys are hanging in there---thought of you and Joe many times the past few days, and your LSR losses!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take care and hang tuff---wmts

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 12 09:08:38 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:08:38 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] why there's 'no action'
In-Reply-To: <024901c92c14$cab4e2b0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <001201c92c10$4a110ca0$6401a8c0@S>
	<024901c92c14$cab4e2b0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W372B3825E9F45C70BB20D7D9370@phx.gbl>

I think you're on the right track there Doug O., but your
estimate of 15 years is way off



I'd say its more like 50 years since there was anyone in Washington that had a
brain -or was an honest man-.  



I know that judging by my original training as a machinist and auto mechanic, 



-that my income and 'lifestyle' has eroded for that long...



there must be some sort of a connection...



-now, this week, we hear that GM -GENERAL MOTORS - is "in talks" to merge with CHRYSLER
?



What'sup  with that ?          

can you say  ' malfeasance ' ? * 




(* I specifically refer to our corrupt gumm'nts propensity to AID
corporations to out-source and/or move their operations 'off-shore : thus robbing honest Americans
of 'good jobs' as well as fair corporate taxation to support our country and its peopleb& )








 " Dictionary.com
Unabridged (v 1.1)     malB7feaB7sance   [mal-fee-zuhns]/mC&lKfizIns/ Pronuncia 



" the performance by a public
official of an act that is legally unjustified, harmful, or contrary to law;
wrongdoing (used esp. of an act in violation of a public trust). "







 I have always feared having to say this,..

but watching this happen for the last 50 or more years,-now I feel I must;  

                ' May GOD save America '

 

 my  very best  regards, ' Dirt Track Doug '  
      now making my "living" driving School Bus

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> From: dlodom at charter.net
> To: 23.weldon at comcast.net
> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:46:54 -0700
> CC: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw:  The List...


 
 I don't think there has been 14 bright guys in Washington DC at one time in the last 15 years!

> Doug

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Mayf --

      There's 14 pretty bright guys meeting in Washington DC tomorrow.  Maybe
    the  problem they are working on has something to do with this.  Most of the
   country outside of us guys living on Social Security and Pensions is in a deep blue funk.......

    Ed


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From rjdenton479 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 09:34:01 2008
From: rjdenton479 at gmail.com (Robert J. Denton)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:34:01 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] why there's 'no action'
In-Reply-To: <BAY135-W372B3825E9F45C70BB20D7D9370@phx.gbl>
References: <001201c92c10$4a110ca0$6401a8c0@S>
	<024901c92c14$cab4e2b0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
	<BAY135-W372B3825E9F45C70BB20D7D9370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <45ac72e90810120834n1f36775ak1b2cdc207dde014e@mail.gmail.com>

Forget "merger." It was/is never intended to be. The guys who bought
Chrysler have kept it privately held while they clean it up. The
original intent is to sell it. There is no way they could have kept it
afloat and privately held. These guys aren't auto guys, they are
financial guys. GM has now suspended the ttalks while they recount
their pennies.  A merger? No way.

On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Doug Anderson
<boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I think you're on the right track there Doug O., but your
> estimate of 15 years is way off
>
>
>
> I'd say its more like 50 years since there was anyone in Washington that had a
> brain -or was an honest man-.
>
>
>
> I know that judging by my original training as a machinist and auto mechanic,
>
>
>
> -that my income and 'lifestyle' has eroded for that long...
>
>
>
> there must be some sort of a connection...
>
>
>
> -now, this week, we hear that GM -GENERAL MOTORS - is "in talks" to merge with CHRYSLER
> ?
>
>
>
> What'sup  with that ?
>
> can you say  ' malfeasance ' ? *
>
>
>
>
> (* I specifically refer to our corrupt gumm'nts propensity to AID
> corporations to out-source and/or move their operations 'off-shore : thus robbing honest Americans
> of 'good jobs' as well as fair corporate taxation to support our country and its peopleb& )
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  " Dictionary.com
> Unabridged (v 1.1)     malB7feaB7sance   [mal-fee-zuhns]/mC&lK fizI ns/ Pronuncia
>
>
>
> " the performance by a public
> official of an act that is legally unjustified, harmful, or contrary to law;
> wrongdoing (used esp. of an act in violation of a public trust). "
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  I have always feared having to say this,..
>
> but watching this happen for the last 50 or more years,-now I feel I must;
>
>                ' May GOD save America '
>
>
>
>  my  very best  regards, ' Dirt Track Doug '
>      now making my "living" driving School Bus
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> From: dlodom at charter.net
>> To: 23.weldon at comcast.net
>> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:46:54 -0700
>> CC: land-speed at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw:  The List...
>
>
>
>  I don't think there has been 14 bright guys in Washington DC at one time in the last 15 years!
>
>> Doug
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  Mayf --
>
>      There's 14 pretty bright guys meeting in Washington DC tomorrow.  Maybe
>    the  problem they are working on has something to do with this.  Most of the
>   country outside of us guys living on Social Security and Pensions is in a deep blue funk.......
>
>    Ed

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 12 09:42:24 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:42:24 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] why there's no action / NON LSR RANT---NOt sorry
	guys
Message-ID: <BAY135-W34E128044438000AF7E21D9370@phx.gbl>

 Afraid to say Sparky,..   that I think you've hit the nail right on the head.
attached is a very thought provoking piece about this very topic
        my  very best regards, ' Dirt Track Doug '

**********************************************************8

> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:16:21 -0400
> From: sparky.2211 at cox.net
> To: dlodom at charter.net; 23.weldon at comcast.net
> CC: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR RANT---NOt sorry guys
>
> Ed,
>
> Anyone who thinks that this is caused by anyone other than voters who vote
for politicians who promise them something for nothing other than their
support---is about to reap the rewards of what of an EXTREME drift toward
Socialism at the very least---but most likely Marxism!!!!!




> ---- Ed Weldon <23.weldon at comcast.net> wrote:


They
are 14 top finance people from other major world nations, group 7, etc. I
suppose it's a slight not to include Bernanke and Paulson as maybe 15 and 16.
I have no problem with Ben Bernanke; but
Henry Paulson, for all his intelligence, capability and current patriotic
desire to untangle the mess HE HELPED TO CREATE  is, IMHO, still an
unrepentant robber baron.
These 180 IQ
geniuses from the big investment banking firms knew exactly what they

were doing and most have managed to escape with personal golden parachutes
that
are beyond your wildest imaginings.







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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 10:13:18 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:13:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Politics on the List
In-Reply-To: <BAY135-W372B3825E9F45C70BB20D7D9370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <663133.82039.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Guys, let's keep politics off the list.  I too have very strong opinions, and
I figure every rational American should agree with me, but apparently, about
half of them don't. 
 
We've lost list members over arguments about race cars and LSR rules. Let's
not lose any more, especially over politics.  Let's talk about cars and
racing!
 
DickJ 

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Sun Oct 12 11:27:37 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:27:37 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Politics on the List
In-Reply-To: <663133.82039.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <663133.82039.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <10BF0296-8690-40AC-B859-83E2BDC7A3A8@nancyandjon.org>

On Oct 12, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Dick J wrote:

Guys, let's keep politics off the list.  I too have very strong  
opinions, and
I figure every rational American should agree with me, but apparently,  
about
half of them don't.

We've lost list members over arguments about race cars and LSR rules.  
Let's
not lose any more, especially over politics.  Let's talk about cars and
racing!

DickJ



Dick, I agree with you in wanting to keep politics and other very  
personal topics off the list.  I've said it a jillion times -- I don't  
argue politics or religion, and I never tell a mother her baby is  
ugly."  I've avoided lots of strained relationships by sticking to  
that rule.

Arguing politics is almost like declaring that Chevy is better than  
Ford (or Dodge is better than either).  Let's leave some things to  
other lists, forums, and so on.  You're all welcome to any views you  
like, of course -- as long as you vote.  I don't particularly care for  
whom you vote -- that jerk, or the fine fellow that's running in my  
favorite party -- but vote.  Many folks have put their lives on the  
line to give me the opportunity to vote, and I'm not snooty enough to  
ignore their sacrifice by not voting.  Exercise the Franchise!


       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 12 11:49:45 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:49:45 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Politics on the List
References: <663133.82039.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F031EEB41F394727806066A61945D0FB@mydf7618c59bbf>

Thanks Dick I couldn't have said it better




> Guys, let's keep politics off the list.  I too have very strong opinions, 
> and
> I figure every rational American should agree with me, but apparently, 
> about
> half of them don't.

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sun Oct 12 12:28:45 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:28:45 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] DIY two plane balancing
Message-ID: <006a01c92c98$646bb040$6401a8c0@S>

Thanks Dick J, JD and Jon W for putting my rants where they belong, i.e. out
of sight.....
Here's something constructive:
There's an interesting discussion on CR4,(This is an engineering forum)
http://cr4.globalspec.com
http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/27813?frmtrk=cr4sd#newcomments
The subject is about dynamic or two plane balancing that may be of some
interest to those who would explore DIY approaches for wheels, driveshafts,
jack shafts and maybe even crankshafts.  This may be of more interest to the
bike guys than the car guys.  The latter tend to have all they can do putting
their projects together without having to build the tools needed to do the
job.  If useful ideas crop up I'll try to condense them and post over in our
subculture.
Ed

From kturk at adelphia.net  Sun Oct 12 13:11:20 2008
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:11:20 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Politics on the List
References: <663133.82039.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<F031EEB41F394727806066A61945D0FB@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <006201c92c9e$4fab2180$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

I am just absolutely indignant that 50% of American's disagree with me... 
The nerve...

But ultimately Dick, Jon, JD, ME... you guys are right...

K 

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sun Oct 12 13:46:20 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:46:20 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Politics on the List
References: <663133.82039.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<F031EEB41F394727806066A61945D0FB@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <006201c92ca3$3395da80$6501a8c0@Glens>

I agree, it's a racing site.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
To: <lsr_man at yahoo.com>; "landspeed at autox.team.net" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>; <LSR at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Politics on the List


> Thanks Dick I couldn't have said it better
>
>
>
>
>> Guys, let's keep politics off the list.  I too have very strong opinions, 
>> and
>> I figure every rational American should agree with me, but apparently, 
>> about
>> half of them don't.
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Sun Oct 12 14:05:18 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:05:18 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Politics on the list
Message-ID: <C3D92CC8F73842EEAFDBB8A1F49F9E6D@john>

             I don't think writing - - -


"Anyone who thinks that this is caused by anyone other than voters who vote
for politicians who promise them something for nothing other than their
support---is about to reap the rewards of what of an EXTREME drift toward
Socialism at the very least---but most likely Marxism ."

                                                                             
                           - - is ever out of place .

John Burk

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Sun Oct 12 14:12:30 2008
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:12:30 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Politics on the List
References: <663133.82039.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<10BF0296-8690-40AC-B859-83E2BDC7A3A8@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <001a01c92ca6$db6dcfd0$6501a8c0@Rick>

AWWWWW    CARSAREBETTERNBIKES


There, that should change the subject


:=d

From adin at frontier.net  Sun Oct 12 14:39:30 2008
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:39:30 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Politics on the List
References: <663133.82039.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com><F031EEB41F394727806066A61945D0FB@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<006201c92c9e$4fab2180$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <002001c92caa$a0adffb0$6601a8c0@ZTxp>

Bwahahaha, I've never met anyone that comes close to agreeing with me on 
politics, religion, color, what to have for dinner or whether that girl was 
a 9 or a  9.1!

Its a good thing everyone has something to teach me . . . .

Don't forget to: vote (so you can complain), hug your Mom or someone and pee 
whenever you get a chance.

cheers,

David


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
To: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; <lsr_man at yahoo.com>; 
"landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <LSR at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Politics on the List


>I am just absolutely indignant that 50% of American's disagree with me... 
>The nerve...
>
> But ultimately Dick, Jon, JD, ME... you guys are right...
>
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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sun Oct 12 17:48:48 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:48:48 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Politics on the List
In-Reply-To: <001a01c92ca6$db6dcfd0$6501a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <20081012194848.V3OY4.691198.imail@fed1rmwml35>

LoL--right on!!!!!!!!!!


---- Rick Byrnes <Rick at RBMotorsports.com> wrote: 
> AWWWWW    CARSAREBETTERNBIKES
> 
> 
> There, that should change the subject

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Oct 12 18:09:40 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:09:40 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Politics on the List
In-Reply-To: <006201c92c9e$4fab2180$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <663133.82039.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<F031EEB41F394727806066A61945D0FB@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<006201c92c9e$4fab2180$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <48F291C4.3090608@wildblue.net>

Hell, sometimes, I can't even agree with me.......

Bryan


Keith Turk wrote:
> I am just absolutely indignant that 50% of American's disagree with 
> me... The nerve...
> 
> But ultimately Dick, Jon, JD, ME... you guys are right...
> 
> K _______________________________________________

From ed at vetteracing.com  Sun Oct 12 19:07:11 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:07:11 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Politics on the List
Message-ID: <W5989530177267841223860031@webmail7>

Glen,
You're not playing the "race card" are you?
Ed
(Sorry, just couldn't help myself ;-) )
-----Original Message-----
From: Glen Barrett [mailto:speedtimer at beyondbb.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 12:46 PM
To: 'J.D. Tone', lsr_man at yahoo.com, landspeed at autox.team.net,
LSR at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Politics on the List

I agree, it's a racing site. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.D.
Tone" To: ; "landspeed at autox.team.net" ; Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:49
AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Politics on the List > Thanks Dick I couldn't
have said it better > > > > >> Guys, let's keep politics off the list. I too
have very strong opinions, >> and >> I figure every rational American should
agree with me, but apparently, >> about >> half of them don't. >
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sun Oct 12 20:35:02 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:35:02 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] !Re:  Politics on the List
References: <W5989530177267841223860031@webmail7>
Message-ID: <008b01c92cdc$4c595540$6501a8c0@Glens>

If they have wheels, YES!!!!!

Glen
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ed Van Scoy
  To: Glen Barrett ; J.D. Tone ; lsr_man at yahoo.com ; landspeed at autox.team.net
; LSR at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 7:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Politics on the List


  Glen,
  You're not playing the "race card" are you?
  Ed
  (Sorry, just couldn't help myself ;-)  )
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Glen Barrett [mailto:speedtimer at beyondbb.com]
    Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 12:46 PM
    To: 'J.D. Tone', lsr_man at yahoo.com, landspeed at autox.team.net,
LSR at autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Politics on the List

    I agree, it's a racing site. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.D.
Tone" To: ; "landspeed at autox.team.net" ; Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:49
AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Politics on the List > Thanks Dick I couldn't
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have very strong opinions, >> and >> I figure every rational American should
agree with me, but apparently, >> about >> half of them don't. >
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From ed at vetteracing.com  Sun Oct 12 22:08:49 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:08:49 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] !Re:  Politics on the List
Message-ID: <W708932661729221223870929@webmail17>

Dang Glen, you always come up with the right answer!!!
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Glen Barrett [mailto:speedtimer at beyondbb.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 07:35 PM
To: 'Ed Van Scoy', 'J.D. Tone', lsr_man at yahoo.com, landspeed at autox.team.net,
LSR at autox.team.net
Subject: !Re: [Land-speed] Politics on the List

If they have wheels, YES!!!!!

Glen
----- Original Message -----
From:Ed Van Scoy
To:Glen Barrett ; J.D. Tone ; lsr_man at yahoo.com ; landspeed at autox.team.net ;
LSR at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Politics on the List


Glen,
You're not playing the "race card" are you?
Ed
(Sorry, just couldn't help myself ;-) )
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 12:46 PM
To: 'J.D. Tone', lsr_man at yahoo.com, landspeed at autox.team.net,
LSR at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Politics on the List

I agree, it's a racing site. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.D.
Tone" To: ; "landspeed at autox.team.net" ; Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:49
AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Politics on the List > Thanks Dick I couldn't
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From saltfevr at q.com  Tue Oct 14 20:07:37 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:07:37 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] (non lsr) 17th Annual CHRR White vs. Harris
Message-ID: <BAY122-W9EC1DCCE7A8653DE91845C9300@phx.gbl>

For those of us too far from Fomoso, here's some quick finals results. 2
former Salt Flat racers met in the Top Fuel Final! Sure would have been fun to
hang with the LSR crowd at the Top End.

http://www.wediditforlove.com/2008-CHRR-1.htmlTom ShannonMagna, Utah

From dlodom at charter.net  Wed Oct 15 10:44:09 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:44:09 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] piston rings
Message-ID: <01a701c92ee5$3fb932a0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

List, I need to find some rings for a 4 cylinder race motor. The bore is
63.5mm or 2.5"
Top grove in piston is .037== old ring was .0355
Second grove in piston is .039== old ring was .038
Oil grove in piston is .080== ring was .081

I can machine larger groves in the piston if that is the only rings I can
get.
Thanks, Doug Odom in big ditch

ps. This motor started life as a Kawasaki industrial motor and was sleeved
down to run in a TQ Midget.
That was 20 years ago and the ring supplier is not around anymore.

From dlodom at charter.net  Wed Oct 15 15:03:59 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:03:59 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  piston rings
Message-ID: <01e301c92f0a$8cb943e0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

I have already looked at Childs & Albert, Perfect Circle, Grant, Total Seal. 
I was hoping someone had another  source.      Doug
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:44 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] piston rings


> List, I need to find some rings for a 4 cylinder race motor. The bore is
> 63.5mm or 2.5"
> Top grove in piston is .037== old ring was .0355
> Second grove in piston is .039== old ring was .038
> Oil grove in piston is .080== ring was .081
>
> I can machine larger groves in the piston if that is the only rings I can
> get.
> Thanks, Doug Odom in big ditch
>
> ps. This motor started life as a Kawasaki industrial motor and was sleeved
> down to run in a TQ Midget.
> That was 20 years ago and the ring supplier is not around anymore.
> _______________________________________________

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Oct 15 23:09:46 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:09:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] A foam question
Message-ID: <48F6CC9A.7080202@mayfco.com>

Well, more in line wih fiber glassing than foam. What kind of foam do I 
need to get to make a buck to build a one off fiberglass piece.  I want 
to put a slightly modified nose ont eh Sunbeam, noting fancy but more 
aero than the blanked off grill opening.

Anybody made fiber glass parts using a foam shape? I watched them o it 
on Muscle Cars and it idn't look all that bad. I'll be listening for 
anyone who has done this to chime in....

mayf

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Wed Oct 15 23:34:13 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:34:13 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] A foam question
In-Reply-To: <48F6CC9A.7080202@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <20081016013413.5QUN0.746230.imail@fed1rmwml35>

I watched a guy in my neighborhood use something called Great Stuff---just sprayed it on. Rough  ground it down with a big grinder then finished shaping and laid glass over it---cut if off gouged and ground the foam out of the inside and glassed it back on.
\

---- drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote: 
> Well, more in line wih fiber glassing than foam. What kind of foam do I 
> need to get to make a buck to build a one off fiberglass piece.  I want 
> to put a slightly modified nose ont eh Sunbeam, noting fancy but more 
> aero than the blanked off grill opening.
> 
> Anybody made fiber glass parts using a foam shape? I watched them o it 
> on Muscle Cars and it idn't look all that bad. I'll be listening for 
> anyone who has done this to chime in....
> 
> mayf

From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Oct 16 08:14:56 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:14:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] A foam question
References: <48F6CC9A.7080202@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <003801c92f99$91c30a30$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Mayf, There are a couple ways to make one off parts like what you want. One 
way is to form the shape you want out of chicken wire. When you get it where 
you like you can lay some finer wire mesh like window screen over the 
chicken wire. then bondo that to get a nice finish. Remember to make the 
bondo pattern slightly smaller than you want the finished part to be because 
you are making the inside of the part. Use molding release wax on the bondo 
and then lay up the fiberglass over the bondo. When it cures it is easy to 
cut/break the wire/bondo out of the backside.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 10:09 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] A foam question


> Well, more in line wih fiber glassing than foam. What kind of foam do I 
> need to get to make a buck to build a one off fiberglass piece.  I want to 
> put a slightly modified nose ont eh Sunbeam, noting fancy but more aero 
> than the blanked off grill opening.
>
> Anybody made fiber glass parts using a foam shape? I watched them o it on 
> Muscle Cars and it idn't look all that bad. I'll be listening for anyone 
> who has done this to chime in....
>
> mayf

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Oct 16 09:00:55 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:00:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] A foam question
In-Reply-To: <003801c92f99$91c30a30$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <48F6CC9A.7080202@mayfco.com>
	<003801c92f99$91c30a30$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <20081016150051.DB23A187651@autox.team.net>

Mayf:
I have foam and cloth and resin....call me.
Skip





At 07:14 AM 10/16/2008, Doug Odom wrote:
>Mayf, There are a couple ways to make one off parts like what you 
>want. One way is to form the shape you want out of chicken wire. 
>When you get it where you like you can lay some finer wire mesh like 
>window screen over the chicken wire. then bondo that to get a nice 
>finish. Remember to make the bondo pattern slightly smaller than you 
>want the finished part to be because you are making the inside of 
>the part. Use molding release wax on the bondo and then lay up the 
>fiberglass over the bondo. When it cures it is easy to cut/break the 
>wire/bondo out of the backside.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 10:09 PM
>Subject: [Land-speed] A foam question
>
>
>>Well, more in line wih fiber glassing than foam. What kind of foam 
>>do I need to get to make a buck to build a one off fiberglass 
>>piece.  I want to put a slightly modified nose ont eh Sunbeam, 
>>noting fancy but more aero than the blanked off grill opening.
>>
>>Anybody made fiber glass parts using a foam shape? I watched them o 
>>it on Muscle Cars and it idn't look all that bad. I'll be listening 
>>for anyone who has done this to chime in....
>>
>>mayf
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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 16 11:18:37 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:18:37 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] A foam question
Message-ID: <29063299.1224177517377.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I used styrofoam from packing I found at work when I made the cockpit surround on my roadster I used 3 different styles of cloth supplied by Crystaliner. The one seen on the inside was the woven style put on after the chopper style was hard and tied it together on the inside. Jack Kelly, who originally made the 36" tanks, was my advisor. (#664 yellow/orange lakester) 

If I learned to do it I'm sure anyone can.............Good Luck

>Subject: [Land-speed] A foam question
>
>Well, more in line wih fiber glassing than foam. What kind of foam do I 
>need to get to make a buck to build a one off fiberglass piece.  I want 
>to put a slightly modified nose ont eh Sunbeam, noting fancy but more 
>aero than the blanked off grill opening.
>
>Anybody made fiber glass parts using a foam shape? I watched them o it 
>on Muscle Cars and it idn't look all that bad. I'll be listening for 
>anyone who has done this to chime in....
>
>mayf
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From jdincau at qnet.com  Thu Oct 16 12:28:23 2008
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:28:23 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] A foam question
In-Reply-To: <29063299.1224177517377.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <29063299.1224177517377.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8FE0FD75F8304A5BA35504F2039CA65F@denpc>

Mayf,
     The type of foam you use will depend on the resin system involved. With 
epoxy resins you can use polyester (cheaper) foams. With polyester resins 
you will have to use urethane foam as the resin eats up the foam. It is 
possible to get around this problem with poly on poly by completely coating 
the foam with bondo after rough shaping then sanding to contour.
     Jim in Palmdale


>>Well, more in line wih fiber glassing than foam. What kind of foam do I
>>need to get to make a buck to build a one off fiberglass piece.  I want
>>to put a slightly modified nose ont eh Sunbeam, noting fancy but more
>>aero than the blanked off grill opening.

From bob at arrowracing.org  Thu Oct 16 14:52:58 2008
From: bob at arrowracing.org (Bob Williams)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:52:58 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] lost son
Message-ID: <001701c92fd1$2cd819c0$6f7ba8c0@dell01>

Hi Jeff
Good morning good morning ,,,,,,Every day I go into your office to say good
morning but know one is there .  I have a son that is lost  (  some one please
tell me where he has gone )  .

DAD

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Thu Oct 16 14:20:10 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:20:10 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] A foam question
Message-ID: <2EB087971AC448A9A6CB9C0DD545B467@john>

Mayf

Nidacore is a fabric covered  hex core material my friend uses that could be
fastened on a buck and glassed as is . The 5mm thickness bends around a 6"
radius but is limited to a moderate compound bend . If I started over on my
streamliner body I'd do the whole thing with this stuff .

http://www.noahsboatbuilding.com/noahusa/items.asp?Cc=NIDA&iTpStatus=0&Tp=&Bc
=

John Burk

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 16 14:22:56 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:22:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] A foam question
In-Reply-To: <003801c92f99$91c30a30$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <541901.29450.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mayf,
 
I have used foam insulation board and stacked it and glued it like a Mayan
pyramid until I was close to the shape I wanted, then covered it with "Great
Stuff".  I then trimmed it to rough shape with a serrated butcher knife, and
followed that with a body grinder (be prepared for a snow storm).  Finish sand
with a cheese grater like you use on Bondo, then lay your glass over it.  I
did a front end that way, and it worked out pretty good.  It's about the
cheapest way to make a one-off glass part.
 
Dick J
In east Texas

From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Oct 16 14:28:15 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:28:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Small piston rings
Message-ID: <009701c92fcd$b959c8c0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

List, Thanks to all that responded I found Hastings is about the only one that
has rings for a 2.5" bore. I have some coming now. I will have to machine the
pistons to the new thickness of the new rings but I kind of thought I'd have
to do that from the start.   Thanks again,   Doug Odom in big ditch

From jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 16 17:01:53 2008
From: jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net (John Thornton)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:01:53 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Small piston rings
In-Reply-To: <009701c92fcd$b959c8c0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <009701c92fcd$b959c8c0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <48F7C7E1.70406@sbcglobal.net>

Doug Odom wrote:
> List, Thanks to all that responded I found Hastings is about the only one that
> has rings for a 2.5" bore. I have some coming now. I will have to machine the
> pistons to the new thickness of the new rings but I kind of thought I'd have
> to do that from the start.   Thanks again,   Doug Odom in big ditch


Have you checked with Kitaco?
They have 63mm and 64mm piston rings as well as 63.25mm, 63.50mm and 
63.75mm.
They have 61mm and 62mm as well as 64mm and 65mm also with sizes in 
between by .25mm increments.
Somewhere in there may be the size you need.
I'm afraid I don't know the width or thickness of their rings.

John Thornton

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Oct 16 16:40:38 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:40:38 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Foam Questions...
Message-ID: <48F7C2E6.2080700@mayfco.com>

Hey, thanks, guys, I have enough to go on now! This list is great!!

mayf

From ed at vetteracing.com  Thu Oct 16 20:41:29 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:41:29 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Hans Device and Safety
Message-ID: <W111982443925901224211289@webmail13>

OK.... You guys know I'm slow..... Just WHERE on Landracing is Lee's comments
on HANS?????
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: John Romero [mailto:delsolid at gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 09:00 AM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Hans Device and Safety

I spent more on gas getting to and from events this year than I did on my Hans
3 years ago. On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 7:41 AM, drmayf wrote: > Well, looks to me
like something will be required. The rules commitee > are skating around the
issue and due to the nature of the event, they > generally come down on the
side of safety. I think air bags would work > better. And why not?, We do not
see HANS devices mandated by the > government on street cars because that
would be costly. So we have > mandated frontal air bags. Actually, wha t I
think is that I would > like the rules folks to stop taking care of me because
they are going to > price me right out of racing. Whether by eventually
retiring my dinky > car because it will cost too much to keep it in spec or by
forcing me to > purchase so much personal safety equipment that I cannot
afford that > either. I suspect many of us are in that situation. > > mayf > >
Ed Weldon wrote: > >>Mayf -- >>Go on Landracing.com, Bonneville General Chat,
for a good commentary posted >>today by Lee Kennedy. >>Ed >>----- Original
Message ----- >>From: "drmayf" >>To: "Skip Higginbotham" >>Cc: "lsr list
autox" >>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:53 PM >>Subject: Re: [Land-speed]
Hans Device and Safety >> >> >> >> >>>I've seen a lot of chit chat about the
use of a Hans device or similar. >>>Has that been mandated by the rules
committee? we just recently had to >>>install lateral head restraints which I
like just fine, but I am not one >>>hundred percent sure I want to have to
undo anything else in order to >>>get out of a car. I know that the cross axis
of inertia if it is not >>>right will certainly take a car in a roll and start
it into the endo >>>game which is what the hans would protect from. So maybe
instead of hans >>>we need more design on the cars to keep them from going in
that direction? >>>But only if it is mandated. >>>has that been done? And why?
What has changed recently that woudl drive >>>that decision? >>>mayf,
trundling off to bed with a loak of percoset for the implants... >>>how am I
even typing, lol..

From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Oct 16 22:21:41 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:21:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Hans device
Message-ID: <00e301c9300f$dbb49f20$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Ed, Here it is.     Doug


http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4598.0.html

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Oct 17 10:54:12 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:54:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
Message-ID: <48F8C334.3070106@mayfco.com>

I had forgotten about the fore and aft helmet restraints that have beed 
chatted about in the past.  There are restraint lanyards that are quick 
release aith the appropriate helmet atachments available through Pegasus 
Racing.  Here is a a link   
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HANSACC  The straps 
are 75 bucks and the pair of helmet attachments are 65 bucks. These 
should let anyone get quickly out of the car in a normal fashion. The 
helmet attachments even say SFI approved. For diufferent drivers, maybe 
only the extra helmet attachments would be necessary.

I will be getting some of these as soon as I get an answer to a 
question..and that is how do the lanyards attach on the non helmet end...


mayf

From dlodom at charter.net  Fri Oct 17 11:13:32 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:13:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
References: <48F8C334.3070106@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <003401c9307b$af29e980$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Mayf, I'm going to just wait and see what the rule book says. Then figure 
out what the thinking is before I make up my mind what the best for my car. 
With every car being at least a little different (thank goodness) each 
vehicle should be looked at as to what is best and safest for that driver.
Doug  in big ditch
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 9:54 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints


>I had forgotten about the fore and aft helmet restraints that have beed 
>chatted about in the past.  There are restraint lanyards that are quick 
>release aith the appropriate helmet atachments available through Pegasus 
>Racing.  Here is a a link 
>http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HANSACC  The straps are 
>75 bucks and the pair of helmet attachments are 65 bucks. These should let 
>anyone get quickly out of the car in a normal fashion. The helmet 
>attachments even say SFI approved. For diufferent drivers, maybe only the 
>extra helmet attachments would be necessary.
>
> I will be getting some of these as soon as I get an answer to a 
> question..and that is how do the lanyards attach on the non helmet end...
>
>
> mayf

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri Oct 17 11:41:45 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:41:45 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
References: <48F8C334.3070106@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c9307f$a1a450d0$6501a8c0@Glens>

Wait for the new rule book, it will/should have all of the requirements and 
attachment data.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:54 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints


>I had forgotten about the fore and aft helmet restraints that have beed 
>chatted about in the past.  There are restraint lanyards that are quick 
>release aith the appropriate helmet atachments available through Pegasus 
>Racing.  Here is a a link 
>http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HANSACC  The straps are 
>75 bucks and the pair of helmet attachments are 65 bucks. These should let 
>anyone get quickly out of the car in a normal fashion. The helmet 
>attachments even say SFI approved. For diufferent drivers, maybe only the 
>extra helmet attachments would be necessary.
>
> I will be getting some of these as soon as I get an answer to a 
> question..and that is how do the lanyards attach on the non helmet end...
>
>
> mayf
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Oct 17 13:51:12 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:51:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
In-Reply-To: <002e01c9307f$a1a450d0$6501a8c0@Glens>
References: <48F8C334.3070106@mayfco.com>
	<002e01c9307f$a1a450d0$6501a8c0@Glens>
Message-ID: <48F8ECB0.3090002@mayfco.com>

Well, if is like all other committee that design horses whatever comes 
out will be a camel. Unles the stick to something that is common to 
every vehicle/driver then proscribing attachment points data will be 
hard to do since there are, lets see, how many vehicles out there?  Lots 
and lots I suspect...  Andyes, I am waiting. If the rules committee were 
accepting input, I would say to make them a recommendation only.  I 
would have to have a custom designed back piece for my car since I am 
semi recumbent in the car with my head upright. 

In any case, things will work themselves out or they wont, eh?

mayf
Glen Barrett wrote:

> Wait for the new rule book, it will/should have all of the 
> requirements and attachment data.
> Glen
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:54 AM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
>
>
>> I had forgotten about the fore and aft helmet restraints that have 
>> beed chatted about in the past.  There are restraint lanyards that 
>> are quick release aith the appropriate helmet atachments available 
>> through Pegasus Racing.  Here is a a link 
>> http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HANSACC  The 
>> straps are 75 bucks and the pair of helmet attachments are 65 bucks. 
>> These should let anyone get quickly out of the car in a normal 
>> fashion. The helmet attachments even say SFI approved. For diufferent 
>> drivers, maybe only the extra helmet attachments would be necessary.
>>
>> I will be getting some of these as soon as I get an answer to a 
>> question..and that is how do the lanyards attach on the non helmet 
>> end...
>>
>>
>> mayf
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From dlodom at charter.net  Fri Oct 17 15:04:58 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:04:58 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Helmet Restraints & Safety
References: <48F8C334.3070106@mayfco.com><002e01c9307f$a1a450d0$6501a8c0@Glens>
	<48F8ECB0.3090002@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <006401c9309c$04275dd0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Mayf, I have known Lee Kennedy a long time ( 1970's) and I know he would not 
do anything that was not in the best interest and safety of LSR. I have only 
known Foggie about 15 years but I am sure he would not do anything that was 
not in the best interest of us also.
I remember when I first got interested in LSR (1991) I went to El Mirage to 
look around. There were some cars running that I would not have sat in with 
the motor running. Lee told me then that they were trying to make the cars 
much safer but some of the old guys that had been running for years were 
fighting it. I said " you are only one ugly accident away from not being 
able to race out here between the tree huggers and lawyers." The rules today 
make the cars much safer than in the past. I know a lot of work and many 
hours go into each incident to try and figure out if it can be prevented 
from happening again. I'm sure the safety rules committee would take any 
input you wanted to share and look at it. Lee and Foggie are both drivers 
also and understand the problem with lay down seats.
Doug in big ditch on a beautiful day

Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints


> Well, if is like all other committee that design horses whatever comes out 
> will be a camel. Unles the stick to something that is common to every 
> vehicle/driver then proscribing attachment points data will be hard to do 
> since there are, lets see, how many vehicles out there?  Lots and lots I 
> suspect...  Andyes, I am waiting. If the rules committee were accepting 
> input, I would say to make them a recommendation only.  I would have to 
> have a custom designed back piece for my car since I am semi recumbent in 
> the car with my head upright.
> In any case, things will work themselves out or they wont, eh?
>
> mayf
> Glen Barrett wrote:
>
>> Wait for the new rule book, it will/should have all of the requirements 
>> and attachment data.
>> Glen

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Fri Oct 17 20:39:19 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:39:19 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
In-Reply-To: <48F8ECB0.3090002@mayfco.com>
References: <48F8C334.3070106@mayfco.com>
	<002e01c9307f$a1a450d0$6501a8c0@Glens> <48F8ECB0.3090002@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <48F94C57.8010602@wildblue.net>

OK, OK, OK........

If we must have absolute maximum safety,
then ALL vehicles must have a:

zero/zero Martin Baker T38 ejection seat

I think you can get them for less than $100,000
if you buy in quantities of 100 or more.
http://www.martin-baker.co.uk/getdoc/c93e4697-57ee-447c-ac63-8a7522317837/T-38.aspx

Will require a bit of race vehicle rework, but never more
than 99%.

Anyone who wishes, may send my idea to the tech.
committee as long as you don't use my name.

Zorro

From dlodom at charter.net  Fri Oct 17 20:48:22 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:48:22 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
References: <48F8C334.3070106@mayfco.com><002e01c9307f$a1a450d0$6501a8c0@Glens>
	<48F8ECB0.3090002@mayfco.com> <48F94C57.8010602@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <001401c930cb$fd2255f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Hey Zorro, What if your upside down???     LOL     Doug
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints


> OK, OK, OK........
>
> If we must have absolute maximum safety,
> then ALL vehicles must have a:
>
> zero/zero Martin Baker T38 ejection seat
>
> I think you can get them for less than $100,000
> if you buy in quantities of 100 or more.
> http://www.martin-baker.co.uk/getdoc/c93e4697-57ee-447c-ac63-8a7522317837/T-38.aspx
>
> Will require a bit of race vehicle rework, but never more
> than 99%.
>
> Anyone who wishes, may send my idea to the tech.
> committee as long as you don't use my name.
>
> Zorro
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Fri Oct 17 21:29:15 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:29:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
In-Reply-To: <001401c930cb$fd2255f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <48F8C334.3070106@mayfco.com><002e01c9307f$a1a450d0$6501a8c0@Glens>
	<48F8ECB0.3090002@mayfco.com> <48F94C57.8010602@wildblue.net>
	<001401c930cb$fd2255f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <48F9580B.20509@wildblue.net>

Oh, thanks Doug, I forgot to include the Crossbow, solid state Inertial Nav.
System. Very fast response, about 12 oz, works great in model Helicopters
and UAV's. Set to fire at 1 5 degree pitch, 1 5 degrees roll and 1 35 
degrees yaw

Zorro


Doug Odom wrote:
> Hey Zorro, What if your upside down???     LOL     Doug
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
> To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Fri Oct 17 21:35:45 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:35:45 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
In-Reply-To: <48F9580B.20509@wildblue.net>
References: <48F8C334.3070106@mayfco.com><002e01c9307f$a1a450d0$6501a8c0@Glens>
	<48F8ECB0.3090002@mayfco.com> <48F94C57.8010602@wildblue.net>
	<001401c930cb$fd2255f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
	<48F9580B.20509@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <48F95991.7010600@wildblue.net>

Bryan Savage wrote:
> Oh, thanks Doug, I forgot to include the Crossbow, solid state Inertial 
> Nav.
> System. Very fast response, about 12 oz, works great in model Helicopters


> and UAV's. Set to fire at 1 5 degree pitch, 1 5 degrees roll and 1 35 
=======note all of the above 1's, should be a plus or minus symbol. 
==========
Sorry.


> degrees yaw
> 
> Zorro

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 17 21:43:07 2008
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
In-Reply-To: <001401c930cb$fd2255f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <479037.37710.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Same deal on the air bag idea. The bag deploys at inital hit then deflats. Car
continues in a series of rolls, etc. Where is the advantage in that?
 
DW

--- On Fri, 10/17/08, Doug Odom <dlodom at charter.net> wrote:

From: Doug Odom <dlodom at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
To: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 7:48 PM

Hey Zorro, What if your upside down???     LOL     Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints


> OK, OK, OK........
>
> If we must have absolute maximum safety,
> then ALL vehicles must have a:
>
> zero/zero Martin Baker T38 ejection seat
>
> I think you can get them for less than $100,000
> if you buy in quantities of 100 or more.
>
http://www.martin-baker.co.uk/getdoc/c93e4697-57ee-447c-ac63-8a7522317837/T-3
8.aspx
>
> Will require a bit of race vehicle rework, but never more
> than 99%.
>
> Anyone who wishes, may send my idea to the tech.
> committee as long as you don't use my name.
>
> Zorro
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Oct 18 01:41:20 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 00:41:20 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
In-Reply-To: <48F98071.4000609@mayfco.com>
References: <479037.37710.qm@web52507.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<48F98071.4000609@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <48F99320.1080101@wildblue.net>

I disagree Mayf.

You said  "You cannot protect people from dumb things".

In my opinion, good inspector's who are given the power of making judgments
about an individual situation, can protect people from doing dumb 
things, 99%
of the time.

The exceptions are extremely creative builders who are so far "out of 
the box",
that it would take a team from NASA to thoroughly analyze the design.
That shouldn't be a problem, after all ThrustSSC got insurance and it 
was well
outside of "the box".

Look at all the insane crap on TV. They get insurance for that stuff. 
Sometimes
the clowns get hurt, but intelligently written insurance will always 
protect you
in the US. Not so in some other countries.

Earnhardt got killed driving a car after doctors advised him not too. 
Was NASCAR
guilty -- NO.

The way I've heard some talk about the bogey man lawyers, I'm amazed at how
many believe all the crap from the Bar Associations. It sure helps 
lawyers like my
cousin get clients......
If you want to sue the Weather Service for making the sun come up too early,
no problem. If you give him a nice retainer, I know a lawyer who would 
be happy
to file a suite for you.
England has laws forbidding this crap, as do most other rational 
countries. In
England it's called the "Barritry Law".

Now, quit fooling around on the internet and go have some FUN!
Bryan

From nt788 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 18 05:20:43 2008
From: nt788 at comcast.net (nt788 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:20:43 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
Message-ID: <101820081120.27492.48F9C68B000828B600006B642216525806C8C8C99B02@comcast.net>

Hans 's are usable and won't slow you down.Borrow one and study its potential. Jack
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> I had forgotten about the fore and aft helmet restraints that have beed 
> chatted about in the past.  There are restraint lanyards that are quick 
> release aith the appropriate helmet atachments available through Pegasus 
> Racing.  Here is a a link   
> http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HANSACC  The straps 
> are 75 bucks and the pair of helmet attachments are 65 bucks. These 
> should let anyone get quickly out of the car in a normal fashion. The 
> helmet attachments even say SFI approved. For diufferent drivers, maybe 
> only the extra helmet attachments would be necessary.
> 
> I will be getting some of these as soon as I get an answer to a 
> question..and that is how do the lanyards attach on the non helmet end...
> 
> 
> mayf
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From nt788 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 18 05:23:53 2008
From: nt788 at comcast.net (nt788 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:23:53 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
Message-ID: <101820081123.29785.48F9C74900050593000074592216525806C8C8C99B02@comcast.net>

Think of helmet lanyards. Then think of a noose around your neck. Jack
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> I had forgotten about the fore and aft helmet restraints that have beed 
> chatted about in the past.  There are restraint lanyards that are quick 
> release aith the appropriate helmet atachments available through Pegasus 
> Racing.  Here is a a link   
> http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HANSACC  The straps 
> are 75 bucks and the pair of helmet attachments are 65 bucks. These 
> should let anyone get quickly out of the car in a normal fashion. The 
> helmet attachments even say SFI approved. For diufferent drivers, maybe 
> only the extra helmet attachments would be necessary.
> 
> I will be getting some of these as soon as I get an answer to a 
> question..and that is how do the lanyards attach on the non helmet end...
> 
> 
> mayf
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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 18 08:35:34 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:35:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
In-Reply-To: <001401c930cb$fd2255f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <242828.11653.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wire it to a mercury switch, so if you're tilted more than 15 degrees, it
automatically ejects.  Stay off the bumpy part of the course!  LoL
 
DickJ

--- On Fri, 10/17/08, Doug Odom <dlodom at charter.net> wrote:

From: Doug Odom <dlodom at charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
To: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 9:48 PM

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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 18 08:44:31 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:44:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure
Message-ID: <595683.82433.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've heard guys talk about very high tire pressures at Bonneville as well as
tat Maxton.  One guy at Bonneville said he was running 85 lbs., most seemed to
be something like 65 lbs. 
What about mfgr recommendations for max pressure? 
What pressure is common for Maxton where "V" and "Z" street tires are common? 
How about at El Mirage?  It would seem like lower pressure would be better on
the sand.
 
DickJ
In East Texas  

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From dlodom at charter.net  Sat Oct 18 09:17:06 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 08:17:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure
References: <595683.82433.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007101c93134$959bb5c0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Dick, I can't remember who or where I got this from (CRS) but I have a 
printed paper that shows..
 Mickey Thompson Bonneville tire Min.P.S.I. 90 lbs.  Max. P.S.I. 100 lbs. 
400mph speed rating
Goodyear Front runner  Min. P.S.I. 60 lbs.  Max. P.S.I. 70 lbs.   Not speed 
rated
Goodyear Land Speed Bonneville tire  Min. P.S.I. 70 lbs.   Max.P.S.I. 80 
lbs.  300mph speed rating

Doug in big ditch

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick J" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
To: "lsr list autox" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:44 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure


> I've heard guys talk about very high tire pressures at Bonneville as well 
> as
> tat Maxton.  One guy at Bonneville said he was running 85 lbs., most 
> seemed to
> be something like 65 lbs.
> What about mfgr recommendations for max pressure?
> What pressure is common for Maxton where "V" and "Z" street tires are 
> common?
> How about at El Mirage?  It would seem like lower pressure would be better 
> on
> the sand.
>
> DickJ
> In East Texas

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Oct 18 11:48:02 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:48:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT, Computer File Attachment Query...
Message-ID: <48FA2152.7080301@mayfco.com>

Ok, so I gets this file that is an *.wmv movie file. I want to sent it 
to the wife.  It came to me as an attachment and I forwarded it sending 
it in both Text and HTML. Both of those bounced. I look at what I send 
and it is straight forward. A few lines of text message and an attached 
file.  I look at the bounce notice and see that the *.wmv file has been 
decoded into its compresed format and there are lots of lettrs and 
symbols...like a jpg if uncompressed and looked at in text form.   I 
tried sending as just a text message with the file attached, and as just 
an HTML with a file attached. I get bounce notices on both because of 
the expanded file again. This morning I saved the file and wrote a new  
message rather than the forward message and attached the file. Again 
just a few words on the sent message and an attached file. Again it 
bounced because it was expanded.

The expanded messages fail because they far exceede the message size 
settings for messages.. I can send just about any file without regard to 
size...

So what the heck is going on? I send lots of files and occasionally this 
happens but generally just to movie files.    Is it my email virus scan 
on out going? Or someting at my ISP or?

Any thoughts?

Yeah, it is probably because I rant and rave about head restraints. 
there, I've said it so you wont have to , lol..

mayf

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sat Oct 18 12:12:41 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:12:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT; I know you guys are mad at me....
References: <48FA2152.7080301@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <001401c9314d$2002ff80$6401a8c0@S>

I know you guys are mad at me for the political rant; but you gotta see
this.......

http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23308

Ed Weldon

From adin at frontier.net  Sat Oct 18 12:31:27 2008
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:31:27 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] OT; I know you guys are mad at me....
References: <48FA2152.7080301@mayfco.com> <001401c9314d$2002ff80$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <005401c9314f$bbbaaac0$6601a8c0@ZTxp>

Speaking of political stuff . . .

My dear Mom, 83 and all but stone deaf, asks me who is running for president 
and who is in there now.

Then the Mom says:  "Well, I want to vote for Osama Bin Laudin."

Maybe your vote won't count, but it should counteract someone, then you can 
complain.

David
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Cc: <dave at gotstogo.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT; I know you guys are mad at me....


>I know you guys are mad at me for the political rant; but you gotta see
> this.......
>
> http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23308
>
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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Sat Oct 18 13:02:27 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:02:27 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure
Message-ID: <cf9.45165d50.362b8cc3@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/18/2008 10:44:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
lsr_man at yahoo.com writes:

What  pressure is common for Maxton where "V" and "Z" street tires are 
common?  
How about at El Mirage?  It would seem like lower pressure would be  better on
I,M.H.newbie.O;
>From what I've gathered, mostly on threads on this list, surface is the  
first factor in tire pressure. Maxton's concrete generates the best traction and  
therefore the most heat. On the other end, The Salt has the average least  
traction, and therefore the least  heat. I remember some LSR  veterans saying 
that between Nitrogen in the tires and the cooling effect of the  high-moisture 
Salt, there wasn't any negligible pressure rise FOR MOST  CARS. Take into 
account HP, Weight, speeds, your opinion here.
Considering how much we invest in our toys, and our safety, I think  
practically all LSR vehicles should run Nitrogen. It's economical too,  saves the 
insides of those expensive tires, you take care of the  outsides.
As for V, Z, W, or Y tires, I run them all and right at the factory  max.
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat Oct 18 13:43:13 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:43:13 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] OT; I know you guys are mad at me....
References: <48FA2152.7080301@mayfco.com> <001401c9314d$2002ff80$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <004d01c93159$c306c160$6501a8c0@Glens>

Ed, why would we be mad at you. I enjoy your bitching and verbal BS along 
with some of the tech advice you add to the list. Sure as heck better then 
the news casts 24-7, The only news I watch is the local for the weather 
reports and who was arrested for being in Utah instead of Arizona. Ed Van 
Scoy lets them through every day.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Cc: <dave at gotstogo.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT; I know you guys are mad at me....


>I know you guys are mad at me for the political rant; but you gotta see
> this.......
>
> http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23308
>
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From dlodom at charter.net  Sat Oct 18 14:13:11 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:13:11 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT; I know you guys are mad at me....
References: <48FA2152.7080301@mayfco.com> <001401c9314d$2002ff80$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <00b001c9315d$f2332f10$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Very cute and cleaver and nice workmanship.    Doug
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Cc: <dave at gotstogo.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT; I know you guys are mad at me....


>I know you guys are mad at me for the political rant; but you gotta see
> this.......
> 
> http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23308
> 
> Ed Weldon

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Oct 18 16:00:35 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:00:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT, Computer File Attachment Query...
In-Reply-To: <48FA2152.7080301@mayfco.com>
References: <48FA2152.7080301@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <48FA5C83.3060502@wildblue.net>

Mayf,
Some ISP's have severe limits on image files. It doesn't matter if they 
are compressed
or not.
That may be the problem.
Bryan

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 18 17:43:13 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:43:13 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] OT; I know you guys are mad at me....
In-Reply-To: <001401c9314d$2002ff80$6401a8c0@S>
References: <48FA2152.7080301@mayfco.com> <001401c9314d$2002ff80$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W45166360831B541701314D92D0@phx.gbl>

AWESOME Ed.   - and VERY much appropriate if you ask me.  What we're
witnessing is OUR COUNTRY in serious trouble for crying out loud.If we don't
care about it    -how can we care about racing ?




c heers, ' Dirt Track Doug '



       -105 + miles south of the world famous 'Syracuse
Mile '
       -241.4  miles north of the Williams Grove Speedway pit entrance
       -2247  or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt
Flats

but never more than a few feet from a cold one
=====================================================================

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> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:12:41 -0700
> CC: dave at gotstogo.com
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT; I know you guys are mad at me....
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> I know you guys are mad at me for the political rant; but you gotta see
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> http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23308
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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 18 18:10:38 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:10:38 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
In-Reply-To: <101820081123.29785.48F9C74900050593000074592216525806C8C8C99B02@comcast.net>
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dam, you got a way with (just a few )  words Jack !




 c heers, & my best regards,.. ' Dirt Track Doug '



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       -2247  or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt
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> From: nt788 at comcast.net
> To: drmayf at mayfco.com; land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:23:53 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
>
> Think of helmet lanyards. Then think of a noose around your neck. Jack



>  -------------- Original message ----------------------

> From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>

 I had forgotten about the fore and aft helmet restraints that have beed
 chatted about in the past.  There are restraint lanyards that are quick
 release aith the appropriate helmet atachments available through Pegasus
Racing.

Here is a a link

 http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/group.asp?GroupID=HANSACC

The straps are 75 bucks and the pair of helmet attachments are 65 bucks.
These  should let anyone get quickly out of the car in a normal fashion. The
 helmet attachments even say SFI approved. For diufferent drivers, maybe
 only the extra helmet attachments would be necessary...

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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 18 19:15:11 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:15:11 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Leo Hess
In-Reply-To: <007201c9315b$e909ac40$6501a8c0@Glens>
References: <007201c9315b$e909ac40$6501a8c0@Glens>
Message-ID: <00C014FF-E215-4ACC-B3DA-3F7EFADAA6FC@comcast.net>

Glen,

Leo Hess is at the Intermountain Medical Center, 5121 South Cottonwood  
Street, Murray, UT  84157.  Main number, patient information is  
801-507-7000.  I just called and confirmed that he is still there.

Lynn Goodfellow is in the University of Utah Hospital, 50 North  
Medical Drive, Salt Lake City, UT  84132.  Main number for patient  
information is 801-585-8000.  They told me you cannot send flowers  
because he is in the burn unit.

Wes

On Oct 18, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Glen Barrett wrote:

> Has anyone heard how Leo is doing. I know he has a long road ahead  
> and a lot of PT face. Is there an address where we can send him  
> cards etc. Also I heard that Lynn Goodfellow will be released to go  
> home in the next few days.
>
> Glen
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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 18 19:28:10 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:28:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure
References: <cf9.45165d50.362b8cc3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <19AC8D3D3C134CA4B743270138421A04@mydf7618c59bbf>

When I ran H and V series tires at Bonneville and El Mirage I ran 35 pounds 
of pressure because it was written on the side of the tire as maximum. I 
never had a problem with the tires or inspection.......................Good 
Luck
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure


> How about at El Mirage?  It would seem like lower pressure would be 
> better on
> I,M.H.newbie.O;

From lsrvette at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 19 07:43:03 2008
From: lsrvette at yahoo.com (John Staiger)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 09:43:03 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
In-Reply-To: <48F9580B.20509@wildblue.net>
References: <48F8C334.3070106@mayfco.com><002e01c9307f$a1a450d0$6501a8c0@Glens>
	<48F8ECB0.3090002@mayfco.com> <48F94C57.8010602@wildblue.net>
	<001401c930cb$fd2255f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
	<48F9580B.20509@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <006201c931f0$a31c9040$e955b0c0$@com>

Zorro - humor aside, thanks for the lead on Crossbow.  For the last 5 years
I have used crossed mercury switches as a tilt sensor to fire the chutes on
the Arrow streamliner bike if she leaned to far over.  This system worked
well in 2006 when a blown front tire launched the bike in a violent roll and
pitch maneuver.  The rider never had a chance to react.  The good news was
the chute caught the bike beginning it's pitch, straightened it out, and
slid it to a stop.  No injuries and minimal damage to the bike.  

I was planning on do the same design as an upgrade to the Berkeley this off
season.  I think I will use the Crossbow analog tilt sensor instead.  It
looks to be far more reliable and possesses order of magnitude increases in
precision. 

So sometimes crazy ideas are not so crazy...

John
569

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Savage
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:29 PM
To: Doug Odom
Cc: landspeed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints

Oh, thanks Doug, I forgot to include the Crossbow, solid state Inertial Nav.
System. Very fast response, about 12 oz, works great in model Helicopters
and UAV's. Set to fire at 1 5 degree pitch, 1 5 degrees roll and 1 35 
degrees yaw

Zorro


Doug Odom wrote:
> Hey Zorro, What if your upside down???     LOL     Doug
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> To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:39 PM
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From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Sun Oct 19 10:39:27 2008
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:39:27 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure
References: <cf9.45165d50.362b8cc3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001501c93209$41863a20$6501a8c0@Rick>

To add to JD's info, when I ran Michelin and BFG T/A  Z rated tires on the 
Merk, they (the Michelin guys) wanted additional pressure due to the weight 
of the car.  We were at 200 +- 5 MPH and at 4200 pounds.
I think I remember 60 psig was requested by the tire engineers.

On the topic of GY LSR tire, while researching for the Ford Fusion project, 
discussions with Goodyear engineers indicated that tire burst pressures were 
very very  high.  We ran 90 psig with a car that weighed 6000 pounds.  While 
the LSR 300MPH tire seems overkill for a car that only went 207, the load 
carrying capacity, and a huge margin of safety, made a seemingly risky 
venture a little safer.

I will run the LSR tire at 90 to 100 psi, depending on the strength of the 
wheels, ANOTHER big part of the equation.  I wonder what force will cause 
the rim to distort
Since most steel wheels use DOT standard rims, I will try to find design 
requirements before making another set of wheels for the liner.  (which i 
have to do)

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Sun Oct 19 10:49:45 2008
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:49:45 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
References: <48F8C334.3070106@mayfco.com><002e01c9307f$a1a450d0$6501a8c0@Glens><48F8ECB0.3090002@mayfco.com>
	<48F94C57.8010602@wildblue.net><001401c930cb$fd2255f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA><48F9580B.20509@wildblue.net>
	<006201c931f0$a31c9040$e955b0c0$@com>
Message-ID: <000c01c9320a$b1e18b20$6501a8c0@Rick>

John, for a car wouldn't we want yaw and roll rather than pitch and roll. 
Can these devices do both?

I would love to have a device that would throw out the laundry at 20 degrees 
yaw.

Rick 

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 19 12:40:48 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:40:48 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure
References: <cf9.45165d50.362b8cc3@aol.com>
	<001501c93209$41863a20$6501a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <74146376D44F46F18AF90869FA31761D@mydf7618c59bbf>

> Since most steel wheels use DOT standard rims, I will try to find design
> requirements before making another set of wheels for the liner.  (which i 
> have to do)
>

This is a major item often over looked. Rim strength is something most take 
for granted. I have used OEM steel,constructed steel, OEM cast alloy, after 
market cast alloy, and forged alloy wheels. None, I'll say it again,NONE of 
the steel wheels were true or straight. The all needed to be hammered to get 
straight. I would advise anyone mount the empty wheel on the vehicle the 
place you willl use it and mark to for that spot, lug hole and all. After 
you mount the tire, do it again. Tire machines are not kind to wheel or 
tires.

I found forged alloy with welded centers to be the highest strength for the 
weight and always true along with the cast for true. Mine were from Wheel 
Vintiques but I'm sure others will be just as good. You get what you pay 
for. You want true perfect wheels and true matching balenced tires on LSR 
vehicles.

If it ain't touching the salt it ain't puttin the power 
down.....................Good Luck..................JD 

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Sun Oct 19 15:31:07 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:31:07 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure
Message-ID: <DD565F61457F4EBF8A689B6585BCC8DB@john>

Rick or anybody

If a rim is not stiff or strong enough and it flexes or yields under 
pressure what could happen ? Would it flex as it rotated and eventually 
break ? Would the dia. of bead area increase and not retain the tire as well 
?

John Burk

> I will run the LSR tire at 90 to 100 psi, depending on the strength of the 
> wheels, ANOTHER big part of the equation.  I wonder what force will cause 
> the rim to distort
> Since most steel wheels use DOT standard rims, I will try to find design 
> requirements before making another set of wheels for the liner.  (which i 
> have to do)

From lsrvette at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 19 17:00:01 2008
From: lsrvette at yahoo.com (John Staiger)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:00:01 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints
In-Reply-To: <000c01c9320a$b1e18b20$6501a8c0@Rick>
References: <48F8C334.3070106@mayfco.com><002e01c9307f$a1a450d0$6501a8c0@Glens><48F8ECB0.3090002@mayfco.com>
	<48F94C57.8010602@wildblue.net><001401c930cb$fd2255f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA><48F9580B.20509@wildblue.net>
	<006201c931f0$a31c9040$e955b0c0$@com>
	<000c01c9320a$b1e18b20$6501a8c0@Rick>
Message-ID: <007801c9323e$75717220$60545660$@com>

I agree - but it will talk a little more electronics, maybe look at speed
and if above 50MPH, then arm?  Missed you at the party last weekend.  It was
a hoot!  The Ginetta [sp?] was very nice.  Seeing the two Modified sports
setting next to each other was very interesting.  Wendy and I are doing
great.  Trying to pay off bills... you know the drill...

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Byrnes [mailto:Rick at RBMotorsports.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 12:50 PM
To: John Staiger; 'Bryan Savage'; 'Doug Odom'
Cc: 'landspeed at autox.team.net'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Quick Release Helmet Restraints

John, for a car wouldn't we want yaw and roll rather than pitch and roll. 
Can these devices do both?

I would love to have a device that would throw out the laundry at 20 degrees

yaw.

Rick 

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 19 22:04:08 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:04:08 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure
In-Reply-To: <DD565F61457F4EBF8A689B6585BCC8DB@john>
References: <DD565F61457F4EBF8A689B6585BCC8DB@john>
Message-ID: <F4A63FE7-11CF-4072-BC08-181A0C83BB77@comcast.net>

Terry Nish and his crew chief Cec McRae are as careful as any racers I  
know but their liner crash several years ago was likely the fault of a  
failed wheel.  At the speeds liners are traveling you just can't be  
safe enough.  Rick is working from an engineer's standpoint as well as  
a racer's.  I'm glad he is thinking along the lines he is for wheels.   
Experience IS the best teacher.

Wes

On Oct 19, 2008, at 3:31 PM, John Burk wrote:

> Rick or anybody
>
> If a rim is not stiff or strong enough and it flexes or yields under  
> pressure what could happen ? Would it flex as it rotated and  
> eventually break ? Would the dia. of bead area increase and not  
> retain the tire as well ?
>
> John Burk
>
>> I will run the LSR tire at 90 to 100 psi, depending on the strength  
>> of the wheels, ANOTHER big part of the equation.  I wonder what  
>> force will cause the rim to distort
>> Since most steel wheels use DOT standard rims, I will try to find  
>> design requirements before making another set of wheels for the  
>> liner.  (which i have to do)
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Mon Oct 20 11:07:10 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:07:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure
In-Reply-To: <F4A63FE7-11CF-4072-BC08-181A0C83BB77@comcast.net>
References: <DD565F61457F4EBF8A689B6585BCC8DB@john>
	<F4A63FE7-11CF-4072-BC08-181A0C83BB77@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48FCBABE.5010700@wildblue.net>

List,

I lack the engineering sophistication to properly analyze any wheel so
I am forced to use my best guess.

If a tire fails at 150 mph, you will probably crash.

If a wheel fails at 150 mph, you WILL crash.

At high speed, 250+, no other component failure will ALWAYS produce
such catastrophic results.

The steel wheels we used were from a junk yard. Days were spent working
on the wheels.. Ended up with 6 wheels. Each was checked for runout,
stripped of paint, crack tested, spiders welded, normalized, crack tested
again in the weld area, sanded blasted and painted.

No problems, but ..... the car weighed 1100 lbs, wet max speed was 
262(exit speed),
max Hp was about 180.

Please note, I am NOT recommending anything, just reporting the news.

Bryan

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Mon Oct 20 11:10:13 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:10:13 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure
In-Reply-To: <F4A63FE7-11CF-4072-BC08-181A0C83BB77@comcast.net>
References: <DD565F61457F4EBF8A689B6585BCC8DB@john>
	<F4A63FE7-11CF-4072-BC08-181A0C83BB77@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48FCBB75.3090508@wildblue.net>

I agree Wes, but knowledge is the best preventer of unpleasant learning.
Bryan


Wester Potter wrote:
> Terry Nish and his crew chief Cec McRae are as careful as any racers I 
> know but their liner crash several years ago was likely the fault of a 
> failed wheel.  At the speeds liners are traveling you just can't be safe 
> enough.  Rick is working from an engineer's standpoint as well as a 
> racer's.  I'm glad he is thinking along the lines he is for wheels.  
> Experience IS the best teacher.
> 
> Wes

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 20 15:02:35 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 14:02:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure
Message-ID: <29080284.1224536556167.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

 Days were spent working
>on the wheels.. Ended up with 6 wheels. Each was checked for runout,
>stripped of paint, crack tested, spiders welded, normalized, crack tested
>again in the weld area, sanded blasted and painted.

Bryan, Many do not even think of the importance of their wheels and making them safe and true..Great comments...............JD

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Mon Oct 20 17:36:22 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:36:22 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire Pressure
In-Reply-To: <29080284.1224536556167.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <29080284.1224536556167.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48FD15F6.5090006@wildblue.net>

Thank you JD.

Safety, in my opinion, requires an appropriate level of fear, skepticism,
and determination.
Back in the beginning, wheels and tires were a huge problem. These days
the worst ones are 1,000 times better because of DOT standards which I
look at as defining the bottom of the barrel. Back in the '50's, the barrel
had no bottom.

Bryan


Thanks again, JD.

Bryan



James Tone wrote:
>  Days were spent working
>> on the wheels.. Ended up with 6 wheels. Each was checked for runout,
>> stripped of paint, crack tested, spiders welded, normalized, crack tested
>> again in the weld area, sanded blasted and painted.
> 
> Bryan, Many do not even think of the importance of their wheels and making them safe and true..Great comments...............JD

From saltfever at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 18:46:44 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:46:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire pressure
Message-ID: <9E5F6E4B25D7404D82B7C0890A189EDF@dim8100>

Bryan (or others) just how bad are steel wheels? I am worrying over that
issue right now. I was just about to order some 360 degree welded NASCAR
wheels. They have will have a special narrow rim width of 4.5" to fit my LSR
Goodyear's. I'm glad I saw this thread :-)



All of the ALUMINUM types mentioned are machined on wheel lathes. I'm
guessing the Total Indicated Run-out (TIR) on most of those machines is
0.001" to .002". By default you should get a true product simply due to
manufacturing technique. However, steel wheels with pressed in hubs on a
formed rim, could be a problem. When I was a kid I could "reverse" rims and
get them trued up fairly well in a lathe. I can't remember the run-out but
it sure wasn't as little as 1 or 2 thousandths. However, with drag racing
speeds of less than 100 mph, it made no difference. What should I ask for in
a fabricated steel rim? When it is all over, would it have cost the same as
aluminum wheels in the first place?



I am biased to steel for its fatigue ability, strength, and different
corrosion characteristics than aluminum. I haven't considered unsprung
weight a big issue at Bonneville. Is there really a big difference in wheel
weight comparing a strong, Bonneville ALUMINUM wheel, with steel? -Elon



Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 From: Bryan Savage b.a.savage at wildblue.net (snip . .
. ) The steel wheels we used were from a junk yard. Days were spent working
on the wheels.. Ended up with 6 wheels. Each was checked for run out,
stripped of paint, crack tested, spiders welded, normalized, crack tested
again in the weld area, sanded blasted and painted.

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Mon Oct 20 18:52:58 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:52:58 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire pressure
References: <9E5F6E4B25D7404D82B7C0890A189EDF@dim8100>
Message-ID: <A47878EFD7924F78A13F60D464FDCEA2@Glens>

Elon
We bought 2 wheels from Stockton Wheel for the streamliner, ran 326 on them. 
Great wheels. They will build to your specs. All steel and true.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elon" <saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "land-speed submit" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire pressure


> Bryan (or others) just how bad are steel wheels? I am worrying over that
> issue right now. I was just about to order some 360 degree welded NASCAR
> wheels. They have will have a special narrow rim width of 4.5" to fit my 
> LSR
> Goodyear's. I'm glad I saw this thread :-)
>
>
>
> All of the ALUMINUM types mentioned are machined on wheel lathes. I'm
> guessing the Total Indicated Run-out (TIR) on most of those machines is
> 0.001" to .002". By default you should get a true product simply due to
> manufacturing technique. However, steel wheels with pressed in hubs on a
> formed rim, could be a problem. When I was a kid I could "reverse" rims 
> and
> get them trued up fairly well in a lathe. I can't remember the run-out but
> it sure wasn't as little as 1 or 2 thousandths. However, with drag racing
> speeds of less than 100 mph, it made no difference. What should I ask for 
> in
> a fabricated steel rim? When it is all over, would it have cost the same 
> as
> aluminum wheels in the first place?
>
>
>
> I am biased to steel for its fatigue ability, strength, and different
> corrosion characteristics than aluminum. I haven't considered unsprung
> weight a big issue at Bonneville. Is there really a big difference in 
> wheel
> weight comparing a strong, Bonneville ALUMINUM wheel, with steel? -Elon
>
>
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 From: Bryan Savage b.a.savage at wildblue.net (snip . 
> .
> . ) The steel wheels we used were from a junk yard. Days were spent 
> working
> on the wheels.. Ended up with 6 wheels. Each was checked for run out,
> stripped of paint, crack tested, spiders welded, normalized, crack tested
> again in the weld area, sanded blasted and painted.
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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 20 19:39:47 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:39:47 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire pressure
References: <9E5F6E4B25D7404D82B7C0890A189EDF@dim8100>
Message-ID: <801BF254764242499D9336F65953DEE2@mydf7618c59bbf>

I'm not saying all or any of then are bad. Just bolt them on the car when 
you get them exactly where you are going to run them and see where they are 
torqued properly. You could find a hub slightly off also and fix it.

I had 4 16" wheels done for my pick up from Wheelsmith and they were 
perfect. I've had OEM out .050" and that's too much for me. I tell guys to 
look.

Just because it's balenced, it may not be on the ground all the time. After 
mounting mine,  mine have exact same circumference. It just makes sense. I 
believe constructed aftermarket wheels are the best. OEM ???


I like my aluminum wheels and feel there is a gain in the unsprung weight 
deal. Each has an advantage..............Good Luck 

From kturk at ala.net  Tue Oct 21 03:21:07 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:21:07 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Tire pressure
References: <9E5F6E4B25D7404D82B7C0890A189EDF@dim8100>
	<801BF254764242499D9336F65953DEE2@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <004601c9335e$5a9d4b10$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

JD... I agree...

Thou I'll tell you I've run some that weren't perfect and ran fairly fast 
with no issue...  Guess it's all a matter of what is acceptable to you...

K 

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 21 08:31:02 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:31:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Spin Procedures
Message-ID: <2442.40111.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is purely out of curiosity, as I never plan on doing this, but has
anybody ever developed a list of recommended spin procedures for Bonneville? 
Would those procedures be the same at El Mirage?
 
Pull the chute or not?
Brakes or not?
Power off?
Steering held straight ahead or into the spin?
Leave in gear or put in neutral?
Etc., Etc.,
 
I've seen cars spin without pulling the chute.  I've also got a video of one
pulling the chute, then neatly wrapping it around the car like a string on a
giant yo yo.
 
I know drivers go to impound after a spin, but what questions are asked and
what do they get told?
 
Dick J
In East Texas

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 03:41:05 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:41:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Need a Favor in Ogden
Message-ID: <226469.828.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anybody on this list live in Ogden and would be willing to pick up and
hold two fenders for me?  Please contact me off-list.
 
Thanks,
Dick J
In East Texas

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 22 12:55:39 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:55:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Ogden Favor No longer Needed - -Thanks
Message-ID: <241458.47799.qm@web30703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks to everybody who responded that they would help me with my Ogden
purchase.  Unfortunately, I got outbid at the last second.  That's what I get
for trying to count my chickens before they hatch when dealing on Ebay.  I was
bidding on a couple of vintage Porsche front fenders that wouldn't have been
worth the price with shipping added.
 
Thank you again to everybody who offered help.
 
DickJ
In east Texas

From kidavis at beckman.com  Wed Oct 22 13:50:48 2008
From: kidavis at beckman.com (kidavis at beckman.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:50:48 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Dry Chemical Fire Bottles
Message-ID: <OF73EAA96B.3F5BF343-ON882574EA.006CE429-882574EA.006D06E5@beckman.com>

Is anyone out there using Dry Chem Fire Bottles?
If so, what are you using for nozzles?

Thanks,
Karen Davis
1174 D/GR
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Oct 22 18:28:49 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:28:49 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Dry Chemical Fire Bottles
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Karen
What part of the car do you plan on using it. Check with Dan Warner at the 
lakes this week end.
Glen
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> Is anyone out there using Dry Chem Fire Bottles?
> If so, what are you using for nozzles?
>
> Thanks,
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> 1174 D/GR
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From kidavis at beckman.com  Wed Oct 22 18:48:40 2008
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:48:40 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Dry Chemical Fire Bottles
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Engine compartment.
Will do!

Thanks,
Karen

"Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com> wrote on 10/22/2008 05:28:49 PM:

> Karen
> What part of the car do you plan on using it. Check with 
> Dan Warner at the 
> lakes this week end.
> Glen
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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 22 19:09:33 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:09:33 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Dry Chemical Fire Bottles
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The one time I used one many years ago I used a 1/2 " swedgeloc standard 
fitting because it fit the extinguishers line. The hose from the 20# bottle 
went to the fitting and I used electrical locknuts to secure it to the 
firewall. I flared open that end with 3/4" drill. I ran my line engine so I 
didn't worry about 2 nozzles only using the one directly on the 
header/intake side of the engine.
Anyone ever seeing how much chemical, in my case purple K, would exhaust out 
of a 20# bottle thru a 1/2" hole knows it would smother any fire under the 
hood of a roadster. It would make a hell of a mess but I feel put out or 
smother any fire. I used a large clutch pedal return type spring to hold the 
handle down after operating the lever by pulling the pin. I never had a 
problem during inspections. I think I took it out when I needed the room for 
a water tank. Good Luck

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Thu Oct 23 06:54:59 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:54:59 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] 1000?
Message-ID: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB016CDF4E@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Its news to me . . .



http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=18851



cheers,



David in Durango

From gary_ellen at msn.com  Thu Oct 23 19:53:09 2008
From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:53:09 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Nish Motorsports has entered the Bell Racing Video
	Contest.
Message-ID: <BLU146-DS194417DCDA2DEAD65184EF92B0@phx.gbl>

I received the following email from Mike.  Anyone interested could help out by
voting.  Thanks  Ellen

Nish Motorsports has entered the Bell Racing Video Contest.
It has been Great Exposure for our Sponsors.
We would like your help by Voting in the Contest.
See:  Nish Motorsports - 425 MPH Dream DVD Preview
To Vote:  Go to: Rate this Video:  there are 5 stars.
Use your mouse curser to highlight all 5 stars.  It will say 5 of 5.  Click
the 5th Star.
There are two segments to the Contest.
Voting to determine the top 10 Videos in this Segment ends October 31st,
2008.
Please forward this link and information to anyone that may be interested.

http://www.bellracing.com/public/index/contest/video/<http://www.bellracing.c
om/public/index/contest/video/>

The second segment of the contest: to determine the winning order will be
November 10th thru the 14th 2008.
Thanks for your help.
Regards,
Mike Nish

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 24 16:18:31 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:18:31 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Going to SEMA?
Message-ID: <CA3A481F-90C2-4C65-B867-D1A50BF98493@comcast.net>

Let me know and  perhaps we can set a day to go to lunch together.  We  
will be there Tuesday thru Thursday.

Wes

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 24 16:21:19 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:21:19 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] I voted early today
Message-ID: <48BF913D-9BEB-416A-99AE-03F3649B484B@comcast.net>

That way we can leave here EARLY on election Tuesday morning for Las  
Vegas and not feel guilty about voting.  It's about a seven hour drive  
from here.

Wes

From saltfevr at q.com  Fri Oct 24 20:19:40 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:19:40 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] (non lsr) Swamp Rat III Cacklefest
Message-ID: <BAY122-W429C8B5D398BFBD8CD731DC92A0@phx.gbl>

Hi all;

So I'm reading about LSR types going to El Mirage or Maxton this wknd,or even
NHRA at Vegas. Good luck to all!
 And I came across this great Sonny Messner interview at the recent CHRR at
Fomoso. If your travel challenged, enjoy the Swamp Rat III plus the famous
1961 GMC Carryall Push Truck! Plus check out the CHRR Vintage Dragsters like
Gang Green,The infamous Gratiot Auto Supply,and The Probe. Just click on CHRR
Vintage Dragsters Video. Enjoy, turn up the speakers!
http://www.hubgarage.com/hubtv/channels/8/videos/171Tom ShannonMagna, Utah

From ed at vetteracing.com  Fri Oct 24 21:27:03 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:27:03 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Going to SEMA?
Message-ID: <W518522039321421224905223@webmail35>

I will be there Tues - thurs also.
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Wester Potter [mailto:wester6935 at comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 03:18 PM
To: 'LAND SPEED LIST'
Subject: [Land-speed] Going to SEMA?

Let me know and perhaps we can set a day to go to lunch together. We will be there Tuesday thru Thursday. Wes 

From ed at vetteracing.com  Fri Oct 24 21:28:55 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:28:55 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] I voted early today
Message-ID: <W52603031857381224905335@webmail23>

I know you don't drink Wes, but I think I will be on election night.................
Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: Wester Potter [mailto:wester6935 at comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 03:21 PM
To: 'LAND SPEED LIST'
Subject: [Land-speed] I voted early today

That way we can leave here EARLY on election Tuesday morning for Las Vegas and not feel guilty about voting. It's about a seven hour drive from here. Wes 

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sat Oct 25 09:37:29 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:37:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Going to SEMA?
In-Reply-To: <W518522039321421224905223@webmail35>
References: <W518522039321421224905223@webmail35>
Message-ID: <20081025153721.A7C66187667@autox.team.net>

As will I.
Skip



At 08:27 PM 10/24/2008, Ed Van Scoy wrote:
>I will be there Tues - thurs also.
>Ed
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wester Potter [mailto:wester6935 at comcast.net]
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 03:18 PM
>To: 'LAND SPEED LIST'
>Subject: [Land-speed] Going to SEMA?
>
>Let me know and perhaps we can set a day to go to lunch together. We 
>will be there Tuesday thru Thursday. Wes

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Oct 25 10:03:42 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:03:42 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Ground-breaking science behind what aims to be the
 fastest car of all time : News : News + Events : National Physical
 Laboratory
Message-ID: <4903435E.4050002@wildblue.net>

http://www.npl.co.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.2924

Richard Noble is at it again.

Bryan

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sat Oct 25 11:28:24 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:28:24 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Ground-breaking science behind what aims to be the
 fastest car of all time : News : News + Events : National Physical
 Laboratory
In-Reply-To: <4903435E.4050002@wildblue.net>
References: <4903435E.4050002@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <20081025172817.70CDB187664@autox.team.net>

Bryan,
What ground breaking science is involved?
Skip




At 09:03 AM 10/25/2008, Bryan Savage wrote:
>http://www.npl.co.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.2924
>
>Richard Noble is at it again.
>
>Bryan

From Jimwprice at aol.com  Fri Oct 24 18:52:04 2008
From: Jimwprice at aol.com (Jimwprice at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:52:04 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Saltine News 10-24-08
Message-ID: <ca4.3ba58550.3633c7b4@aol.com>

I spent the day re assembling Sub Prime.  I had planned  to go to El Mirage
with Eddie Daniels and leave the camper at home so I had  done a lot of
tampering with the $400 wonder.
While my wife's cousins were visiting I blundered on to a yard  sale and foun
d a virtually new Wal Mart mountain bike that I had been on the  verge of
buying for $109.  It was at a yard sale where they took my  $40 offer.  Of
course
I had to make a rack to carry it despite how easy it  is to stow inside.  I am
off to El Mirage tomorrow to make connections with  Sparky.    He is aiming
at a 220 minimum to get into the El  Mirage 200 mph club and achieve his goal
of three speed club hats in three  consecutive meets.   Inspection is on
Saturday and racing is  Sunday.   No Saltine News tomorrow but I will try to
crank
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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 12 12:01:41 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:01:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] '08-'09 LSR Plans - Read Only if You Are Really Bored!
In-Reply-To: <001d01c92c8b$73b81550$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <482691.56397.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Not that anybody outside of East Texas would really care, but if you're really
bored this Sunday, here's where I'm at and where I hope I'm going with my LSR
plans. 
 
After nearly four years of building and de-bugging, I think the car is ready
for some serious racing. Our 454 BBIC- powered 1977 Pontiac Trans Am started
out to be a streetable USFRA 150 Club car, with all developmental testing
being done close to home at the Texas Mile. The first time out yielded a fuel
starvation probem limiting speed of about 130 mph.  After several changes to
the fuel pump, fuel lines, fuel filter, fuel cell and carburetor, the car
finally worked it's way up to a satisfying 163 mph in the mile. 
 
"Satisfying" is a relative term.  I had reached what should get me into the
150 club, but now I wanted more speed.  The Grumpy Jenkins Merlin heads were
determined to be too small, but if I changed the heads, and wound the motor
tighter, with more horsepower, then the pistons and crank would be a little on
the stressed side.  A total rebuild was determined to be needed, and a little
boring and stroking would get me closer to the 500 CID limit for A/CGC.  When
my engine man started listing all the new stuff to build the motor up to that
limit, it was determined that the only thing being re-used would be the block,
timing chain, and new harmonic balancer I had just bought.  He suggested just
building a new 496 from the bottom up, and maybe selling the old motor. 
 
I told the engine man that my goal was to see 180 in the mile, and 200 at
Bonneville.  He put the old motor on the dyno and found 541 HP.  From that he
determined that 800 HP would be needed to reach my goals.  I could have more
HP if I wanted - - - for a price!  Since I was already draining my savings to
get the motor built to begin with, I told him the 800 ponies would be fine.
 
After five weeks of waiting, I got the call that the motor was finished and
that a "dyno day" had been set.  Gail and I drove the three hundred miles to
the shop outside of Baton Rouge, and were ready to show up at the shop (eight
miles from where we were spending the night) at the appointed 9AM.  Much
earlier than that, over a cup of coffee with our friends, my ears perked to
what sounded  like the beginning of a NASCAR race.  My friend immediately
stated that it was my motor.  The dyno session was starting early.  I couldn't
believe it was my motor as we were  so far from the shop and separated by a
busy interstate highway.  As we drove to the shop, with the windows down, and
my ears continuously tuned to the sound, it proved to be true.  I'll bet that
all those people who live closer to the shop than eight miles really
appreciate that wonderful sound just as much as I did!
 
After a long, long dyno session, and time spent changing cams, the motor
pegged with the promised horsepower.  We loaded it into the back of the truck
and headed home.  After many hours and late nights, I finally had the car
ready for it's maiden run with the new "A" motor, and started it for the first
time in my own shop.  I was immediately greeted by a loud "humph" and a
fireball the size of my camper trailer!  Long story short, the fuel regulator
in the car was the wrong one, and the front two barrels got a full 19 lbs of
fuel pressure.  Both on-board bottles and a CO2 bottle off the wall later and
the fire was out. 
 
Needless to say, I was totally bummed.  I was invited to bring the whole car
to the shop in Baton Rouge to let the "professionals" get it right for me.  We
had already missed the Texas Mile, so we scheduled a day in October, with
plans to drive on to Maxton for the maiden voyage of the new motor. Once at
Maxton, I bumped the record three times and came home with a pleasing,
tire-spinning, sliding, and hitting cones at the clocks,  183 mph record
certificate.  
 
In March, we showed up at the Texas Mile intent on making a more controlled
pass through a mile and hopefully bumping the speed up a little. 
Unfortunately, unkown to me, the last run at Maxton had fried the
transmission, and it had only one position - second gear.  We came home with a
171 mph certificate with the notation printed on it "in second gear". 
Actually, it was a pretty impressive run, starting and finishing in the same
gear, with no shifts for an entire mile.
 
I got back home, spent a long time on the phone with TCI, and they put
together a replacement transmission that they promise will take the 800 HP and
hold together at Bonneville.  I did have to install a high-quality
transmission cooler with a dedicated fan, but the car is finally back together
and ready to go. 
 
I'm going to take it to a local drag strip next weekend to be sure the tranny
shifts through the gears (I'll have to short shift at about 4500 in order to
make it into high gear on such a short run), but it should set my mind at ease
that everything is ready to go before I take off for the Texas Mile on the
24th.
 
Assuming everything goes OK at the Texas Mile, we plan on trying the kilometer
run at Pershing County, Nevada in May, and then World of Speed for my attempt
at 200 mph in '09. 
 
If you read through all of this, you are really bored and need to get out
there working on your car!
 
DickJ
In East Texas
 

From ed at vetteracing.com  Mon Oct 27 20:23:05 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:23:05 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
Message-ID: <W6405631899278401225164185@webmail44>

Is this true? Sparky ran 223 at El Mirage... That gives him 3 hats in 3 meets!!!! Way to go guy!
EVS

From kturk at adelphia.net  Mon Oct 27 20:25:30 2008
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:25:30 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
References: <W6405631899278401225164185@webmail44>
Message-ID: <008401c938ac$d51da530$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Oh man.... Did he really?   WOW... VERY VERY COOL....

Way to go Bill.... I'm proud for you...

Keith
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>
To: "Land-Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:23 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??


> Is this true? Sparky ran 223 at El Mirage... That gives him 3 hats in 3 
> meets!!!! Way to go guy!
> EVS

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Mon Oct 27 23:39:35 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:39:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
In-Reply-To: <2007713696.267201225175735640.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2068414229.267331225175975622.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

That's great! B Congratulations Sparky!B 


B I do feel sorry for Miss Linda however . . . having the bill on those hats
hitting her every time he rolls over in bed.


Spending time at those SEMA seminars really paid off.


Wes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at adelphia.net>
To: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>, "Land-Speed List"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 9:25:30 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??

Oh man.... Did he really? B  WOW... VERY VERY COOL....

Way to go Bill.... I'm proud for you...

Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>
To: "Land-Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:23 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??


> Is this true? Sparky ran 223 at El Mirage... That gives him 3 hats in 3
> meets!!!! Way to go guy!
> EVS
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From fosterap at flash.net  Tue Oct 28 05:26:45 2008
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:26:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
In-Reply-To: <008401c938ac$d51da530$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <861091.75683.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is that what we call a triple crown in LSR?
 
Jerry in Dallas


--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net> wrote:

From: Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
To: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>, "Land-Speed List"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:25 PM

Oh man.... Did he really?   WOW... VERY VERY COOL....

Way to go Bill.... I'm proud for you...

Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>
To: "Land-Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:23 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??


> Is this true? Sparky ran 223 at El Mirage... That gives him 3 hats in 3
> meets!!!! Way to go guy!
> EVS

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Tue Oct 28 05:56:42 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:56:42 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
In-Reply-To: <2068414229.267331225175975622.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB016CDF7C@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

B I do feel sorry for Miss Linda however . . . having the bill on those
hats
hitting her every time he rolls over in bed.


Bwahahahahaha . . . .

From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Tue Oct 28 06:50:41 2008
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:50:41 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
In-Reply-To: <861091.75683.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <008401c938ac$d51da530$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<861091.75683.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20B29997D@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

Naww it's a Hat Trick!!!

Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder



-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JERRY FOSTER
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:27 AM
To: Ed Van Scoy; Land-Speed List; Keith Turk
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??

Is that what we call a triple crown in LSR?

Jerry in Dallas


--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net> wrote:

From: Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
To: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>, "Land-Speed List"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:25 PM

Oh man.... Did he really?   WOW... VERY VERY COOL....

Way to go Bill.... I'm proud for you...

Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>
To: "Land-Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:23 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??


> Is this true? Sparky ran 223 at El Mirage... That gives him 3 hats in
> 3 meets!!!! Way to go guy!
> EVS
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Oct 28 08:28:38 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:28:38 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
In-Reply-To: <861091.75683.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <861091.75683.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49072FA6.1040606@mayfco.com>

Maybe we can convince Sparky to drag his car to the Tex Mile and to 
Maxton. I don't know what records there are for the car/driver in those 
places but he could give them a good run and maybe wind up with 5 hats 
as well. Then sit patiently to see if Muroc will ever run again.  Or 
maybe down under. 

mayf
JERRY FOSTER wrote:

>Is that what we call a triple crown in LSR?
> 
>Jerry in Dallas
>
>
>--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>From: Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net>
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
>To: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>, "Land-Speed List"
><land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:25 PM
>
>Oh man.... Did he really?   WOW... VERY VERY COOL....
>
>Way to go Bill.... I'm proud for you...
>
>Keith
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>
>To: "Land-Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:23 PM
>Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
>
>
>  
>
>>Is this true? Sparky ran 223 at El Mirage... That gives him 3 hats in 3
>>meets!!!! Way to go guy!
>>EVS
>>    
>>
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Oct 28 08:28:51 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:28:51 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
In-Reply-To: <861091.75683.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <861091.75683.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49072FB3.5040802@mayfco.com>

Maybe we can convince Sparky to drag his car to the Tex Mile and to 
Maxton. I don't know what records there are for the car/driver in those 
places but he could give them a good run and maybe wind up with 5 hats 
as well. Then sit patiently to see if Muroc will ever run again.  Or 
maybe down under. 

mayf
JERRY FOSTER wrote:

>Is that what we call a triple crown in LSR?
> 
>Jerry in Dallas
>
>
>--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>From: Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net>
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
>To: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>, "Land-Speed List"
><land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:25 PM
>
>Oh man.... Did he really?   WOW... VERY VERY COOL....
>
>Way to go Bill.... I'm proud for you...
>
>Keith
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>
>To: "Land-Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:23 PM
>Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
>
>
>  
>
>>Is this true? Sparky ran 223 at El Mirage... That gives him 3 hats in 3
>>meets!!!! Way to go guy!
>>EVS

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Tue Oct 28 09:40:55 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:40:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
In-Reply-To: <49072FB3.5040802@mayfco.com>
References: <861091.75683.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<49072FB3.5040802@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <20081028164058.3B8F61878BC@autox.team.net>

Don't forget Lovelock, NV

Skip





At 08:28 AM 10/28/2008, drmayf wrote:
>Maybe we can convince Sparky to drag his car to the Tex Mile and to 
>Maxton. I don't know what records there are for the car/driver in 
>those places but he could give them a good run and maybe wind up 
>with 5 hats as well. Then sit patiently to see if Muroc will ever 
>run again.  Or maybe down under.
>mayf
>JERRY FOSTER wrote:
>
>>Is that what we call a triple crown in LSR?
>>Jerry in Dallas
>>
>>
>>--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>>From: Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net>
>>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
>>To: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>, "Land-Speed List"
>><land-speed at autox.team.net>
>>Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:25 PM
>>
>>Oh man.... Did he really?   WOW... VERY VERY COOL....
>>
>>Way to go Bill.... I'm proud for you...
>>
>>Keith

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Oct 28 09:44:52 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:44:52 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
In-Reply-To: <49072FB3.5040802@mayfco.com> 
References: <861091.75683.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<49072FB3.5040802@mayfco.com> 
Message-ID: <49074184.1000501@mayfco.com>

Have they actualluy had a meet there that was at least a mile or more?

mayf
Skip Higginbotham wrote:

> Don't forget Lovelock, NV
>
> Skip
>
>
>
>
>
> At 08:28 AM 10/28/2008, drmayf wrote:
>
>> Maybe we can convince Sparky to drag his car to the Tex Mile and to 
>> Maxton. I don't know what records there are for the car/driver in 
>> those places but he could give them a good run and maybe wind up with 
>> 5 hats as well. Then sit patiently to see if Muroc will ever run 
>> again.  Or maybe down under.
>> mayf
>> JERRY FOSTER wrote:
>>
>>> Is that what we call a triple crown in LSR?
>>> Jerry in Dallas
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Keith Turk <kturk at adelphia.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
>>> To: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>, "Land-Speed List"
>>> <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>>> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:25 PM
>>>
>>> Oh man.... Did he really?   WOW... VERY VERY COOL....
>>>
>>> Way to go Bill.... I'm proud for you...
>>>
>>> Keith

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Tue Oct 28 09:50:14 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:50:14 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
In-Reply-To: <49074184.1000501@mayfco.com>
References: <861091.75683.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<49072FB3.5040802@mayfco.com> <49074184.1000501@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <20081028165017.0EBC41878A0@autox.team.net>

Not that I know of.

Skip


At 09:44 AM 10/28/2008, drmayf wrote:
>Have they actualluy had a meet there that was at least a mile or more?
>
>mayf
>Skip Higginbotham wrote:
>
>>Don't forget Lovelock, NV
>>
>>Skip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 08:28 AM 10/28/2008, drmayf wrote:
>>
>>>Maybe we can convince Sparky to drag his car to the Tex Mile and 
>>>to Maxton. I don't know what records there are for the car/driver 
>>>in those places but he could give them a good run and maybe wind 
>>>up with 5 hats as well. Then sit patiently to see if Muroc will 
>>>ever run again.  Or maybe down under.
>>>mayf

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Tue Oct 28 10:00:21 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:00:21 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
In-Reply-To: <20081028165017.0EBC41878A0@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB016CDF80@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

I believe the Lovelock gig ("Pershing county speed weeks") will only be
a kilometer in 5/09.

Full info if you google above quote.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Skip
Higginbotham
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:50 AM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com
Cc: Land-Speed List
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??

Not that I know of.

Skip


At 09:44 AM 10/28/2008, drmayf wrote:
>Have they actualluy had a meet there that was at least a mile or more?
>
>mayf
>Skip Higginbotham wrote:
>
>>Don't forget Lovelock, NV
>>
>>Skip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 08:28 AM 10/28/2008, drmayf wrote:
>>
>>>Maybe we can convince Sparky to drag his car to the Tex Mile and
>>>to Maxton. I don't know what records there are for the car/driver
>>>in those places but he could give them a good run and maybe wind
>>>up with 5 hats as well. Then sit patiently to see if Muroc will
>>>ever run again.  Or maybe down under.
>>>mayf
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 28 10:29:50 2008
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:29:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
In-Reply-To: <20081028165017.0EBC41878A0@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <753446.51352.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

You have to have a race before you can have a hat.
 
DW

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Skip Higginbotham <saltrat at pahrump.com> wrote:

From: Skip Higginbotham <saltrat at pahrump.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
To: drmayf at mayfco.com
Cc: "Land-Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:50 AM

Not that I know of.

Skip


At 09:44 AM 10/28/2008, drmayf wrote:
>Have they actualluy had a meet there that was at least a mile or more?
>
>mayf
>Skip Higginbotham wrote:
>
>>Don't forget Lovelock, NV
>>
>>Skip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 08:28 AM 10/28/2008, drmayf wrote:
>>
>>>Maybe we can convince Sparky to drag his car to the Tex Mile and
>>>to Maxton. I don't know what records there are for the
car/driver
>>>in those places but he could give them a good run and maybe wind
>>>up with 5 hats as well. Then sit patiently to see if Muroc will
>>>ever run again.  Or maybe down under.
>>>mayf
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From kturk at ala.net  Tue Oct 28 10:48:57 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:48:57 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re:  Sparky did what!!??
References: <753446.51352.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003901c93925$74f95400$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

> You have to have a race before you can have a hat.
> 
> DW

Hmmmm Now aren't you the picky thing..... 

LOL

To damn funny...

K

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Tue Oct 28 11:12:36 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:12:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
In-Reply-To: <753446.51352.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <20081028165017.0EBC41878A0@autox.team.net>
	<753446.51352.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20081028181239.2CC4A18789D@autox.team.net>

Dang! All I said was don't forget it.

Skip



At 10:29 AM 10/28/2008, dan warner wrote:
>You have to have a race before you can have a hat.
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>DW
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>--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Skip Higginbotham <saltrat at pahrump.com> wrote:
>From: Skip Higginbotham <saltrat at pahrump.com>
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky did what!!??
>To: drmayf at mayfco.com
>Cc: "Land-Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:50 AM
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>Not that I know of.
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>Skip
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>At 09:44 AM 10/28/2008, drmayf wrote:
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> >Have they actualluy had a meet there that was at least a mile or more?
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> >mayf
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> >Skip Higginbotham wrote:
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> >>Don't forget Lovelock, NV
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> >>Skip

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Tue Oct 28 19:42:15 2008
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:42:15 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] 1000?
References: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB016CDF4E@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <6E43D060CFBD44B0B19C7E0670977087@ChrisHarrisPC>

The purpose of the 'adventure' aside from setting another unlimited land 
speed is both well focused and highly commendable.

Chris Harris......................NZed.

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> Its news to me . . .
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> http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=18851
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> cheers,
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> David in Durango. 

From advo at comcast.net  Fri Oct 31 06:08:35 2008
From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:08:35 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Caster on the salt
Message-ID: <C5306D83.25FB%advo@comcast.net>

I9m building a two-front one rear three-wheeled vehicle using our
turbocharged flathead six Stude motor from the Salt2Salt car.
Since that car was capable of perhaps 150mph (theoretically anyhow....),
this vehicle, at half the weight, and a very low profile, 632 track/1092
wheelbase, cg height 212 (392 from front axle axis.....
Could go fairly fast. Contemplating some omega class salt runs in a few
years.  I can adjust the caster on the fly by changing the
Aspect of the rear swingarms to the ground, and am wondering what I should
use as a target caster for high speed.....
Thanks
Greg
http://salt2salt.com
http://turbostude.com/Tribaker

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Oct 31 09:04:41 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:04:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Caster on the salt
In-Reply-To: <C5306D83.25FB%advo@comcast.net>
References: <C5306D83.25FB%advo@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20081031160442.819B4187953@autox.team.net>

Interesting project Greg. What class will it run?
Have you considered front wheel drive?

Skip




At 06:08 AM 10/31/2008, Greg Meyers wrote:
>I9m building a two-front one rear three-wheeled vehicle using our
>turbocharged flathead six Stude motor from the Salt2Salt car.
>Since that car was capable of perhaps 150mph (theoretically anyhow....),
>this vehicle, at half the weight, and a very low profile, 632 track/1092
>wheelbase, cg height 212 (392 from front axle axis.....
>Could go fairly fast. Contemplating some omega class salt runs in a few
>years.  I can adjust the caster on the fly by changing the
>Aspect of the rear swingarms to the ground, and am wondering what I should
>use as a target caster for high speed.....
>Thanks
>Greg
>http://salt2salt.com
>http://turbostude.com/Tribaker

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Fri Oct 31 11:35:39 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:35:39 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Caster on the salt
Message-ID: <B78DE17DEF8C41119F3E2970CC116092@john>

Greg

If your dimensions are in cm it must be a 3 wheel motorcycle with the engine 
on it's side between the front wheels . Sounds interesting but shouldn't you 
be asking about the rake and trail .

John



> I9m building a two-front one rear three-wheeled vehicle using our
> turbocharged flathead six Stude motor from the Salt2Salt car.
> Since that car was capable of perhaps 150mph (theoretically anyhow....),
> this vehicle, at half the weight, and a very low profile, 632 track/1092
> wheelbase, cg height 212 (392 from front axle axis.....
> Could go fairly fast. Contemplating some omega class salt runs in a few
> years.  I can adjust the caster on the fly by changing the
> Aspect of the rear swingarms to the ground, and am wondering what I should
> use as a target caster for high speed.....
> Thanks
> Greg

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Fri Oct 31 13:01:58 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:01:58 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Hats
Message-ID: <20081031160158.RCSLH.161131.imail@fed1rmwml44>

Wow guys---thanks for all of the kind words of congratulations!!!!!---We have been most blessed----From the continued help and support of Linda my wife, Andy  my next door neighbor, Dave & Joey I met

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Fri Oct 31 18:32:37 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:32:37 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] [Fwd:  Hats]
Message-ID: <490BB1B5.50100@wildblue.net>

Sparky,

It's very gentlemanly to acknowledge those who have helped.

However --- YOU did it!

Congratulations,
Bryan

Warning -- I have 113 questions to ask you when I run you down!!




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Land-speed] Hats
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:01:58 -0400
From: <sparky.2211 at cox.net>
To: AA list <land-speed at autox.team.net>

Wow guys---thanks for all of the kind words of congratulations!!!!!---We 
have been most blessed----From the continued help and support of Linda 
my wife, Andy  my next door neighbor, Dave & Joey I met