From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat Nov  1 15:42:18 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:42:18 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
Message-ID: <1692C00D7EE947D687A8609450FCED6A@Glens>

SCTA,  just posted on their web site that the 2009 dates are now 8-08 through
8-14 -09. If you have rooms reserved this may effect you. Check out what's new
on the www.scta-bni.org for details

Glen

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From rbuck at xmission.com  Sat Nov  1 16:50:12 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:50:12 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
In-Reply-To: <1692C00D7EE947D687A8609450FCED6A@Glens>
References: <1692C00D7EE947D687A8609450FCED6A@Glens>
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Hmmm...I spose they otta check the Inspection day.  Trying to get 
there on Sunday the 7th might cause a major disruption in the 
space-time continuum.  At least my calendar shows the 7th as a 
Friday.  Maybe I'm the one in the wrong time/date zone.

RtR


At 04:42 PM 11/1/2008, Glen Barrett wrote:
>SCTA,  just posted on their web site that the 2009 dates are now 8-08 through
>8-14 -09. If you have rooms reserved this may effect you. Check out what's new
>on the www.scta-bni.org for details
>
>Glen

From rbuck at xmission.com  Sat Nov  1 16:50:58 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:50:58 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] [Fwd:  Hats]
In-Reply-To: <490BB1B5.50100@wildblue.net>
References: <490BB1B5.50100@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <E1KwQDg-0005Lg-9F@mx04.mta.xmission.com>

Amen to that!

RtR


At 07:32 PM 10/31/2008, Bryan Savage wrote:
>Sparky,
>
>It's very gentlemanly to acknowledge those who have helped.
>
>However --- YOU did it!
>
>Congratulations,
>Bryan

From dlodom at charter.net  Sat Nov  1 17:23:00 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 17:23:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
References: <1692C00D7EE947D687A8609450FCED6A@Glens>
	<E1KwQCv-0005Jl-GU@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <013201c93c81$2c98d0f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Ray, You must be using that old Aztec calendar.  Mine shows the 7th as a 
Friday.        Doug in big ditch
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>; "landspeed at autox.team.net" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes


> Hmmm...I spose they otta check the Inspection day.  Trying to get there on 
> Sunday the 7th might cause a major disruption in the space-time continuum. 
> At least my calendar shows the 7th as a Friday.  Maybe I'm the one in the 
> wrong time/date zone.
>
> RtR
>
>
> At 04:42 PM 11/1/2008, Glen Barrett wrote:
>>SCTA,  just posted on their web site that the 2009 dates are now 8-08 
>>through
>>8-14 -09. If you have rooms reserved this may effect you. Check out what's 
>>new
>>on the www.scta-bni.org for details
>>
>>Glen
> _______________________________________________

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat Nov  1 17:35:35 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:35:35 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
References: <1692C00D7EE947D687A8609450FCED6A@Glens>
	<E1KwQCv-0005Jl-GU@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
	<013201c93c81$2c98d0f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <1A486C0D4CE046019B54AFBC1A9AB712@Glens>

Well poo, I posted what was on the SCTA web. OK, geez lets not start a war 
over it. That's why I said to look at their web site  It still say 8-8, 
8-14Just trying to help folks.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>; "landspeed at autox.team.net" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes


> Ray, You must be using that old Aztec calendar.  Mine shows the 7th as a 
> Friday.        Doug in big ditch
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
> To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>; "landspeed at autox.team.net" 
> <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
>
>
>> Hmmm...I spose they otta check the Inspection day.  Trying to get there 
>> on Sunday the 7th might cause a major disruption in the space-time 
>> continuum. At least my calendar shows the 7th as a Friday.  Maybe I'm the 
>> one in the wrong time/date zone.
>>
>> RtR
>>
>>
>> At 04:42 PM 11/1/2008, Glen Barrett wrote:
>>>SCTA,  just posted on their web site that the 2009 dates are now 8-08 
>>>through
>>>8-14 -09. If you have rooms reserved this may effect you. Check out 
>>>what's new
>>>on the www.scta-bni.org for details
>>>
>>>Glen
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
> 


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From dlodom at charter.net  Sat Nov  1 18:01:44 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:01:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Modified street cars in Calif.
Message-ID: <015101c93c86$945ff290$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

A word to the wise for California drivers. The Cal. Highway Patrol are getting
prepared for a big crack down on street racers. They have become a bigger
problem than drunk drivers in some places. They will be setting up road checks
in the areas the street racers seem to hang out. They have to stop everyone (
remember, they can't profile or the ACLU will go nuts). They will be looking
for any part that is not OEM and does not have a CARB #. This includes things
like MSD box or any adjustable timing or fuel device. Now even if your car is
old enough to not need a smog certificate it still must have the OEM equipment
on it and hooked up. If you have a 70 Mustang or Camaro and have an after
market air filter you can get a citation. You will have to take it to the
state referee and get everything checked and signed off. They have been
finding many Japanese cars with the wrong motors in them. Even with the serial
numbers changed they can be caught.
Just a word to the wise,   Doug Odom in big ditch

From dlodom at charter.net  Sat Nov  1 18:04:06 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:04:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
References: <1692C00D7EE947D687A8609450FCED6A@Glens>
	<E1KwQCv-0005Jl-GU@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
	<013201c93c81$2c98d0f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
	<1A486C0D4CE046019B54AFBC1A9AB712@Glens>
Message-ID: <015601c93c86$e7ff9220$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Glen, So we will be going back to the old way of starting racing on Satuday? 
Doug


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>
To: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>; "landspeed at autox.team.net" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes


> Well poo, I posted what was on the SCTA web. OK, geez lets not start a war 
> over it. That's why I said to look at their web site  It still say 8-8, 
> 8-14Just trying to help folks.
> Glen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
> To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>; "landspeed at autox.team.net" 
> <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
>
>
>> Ray, You must be using that old Aztec calendar.  Mine shows the 7th as a 
>> Friday.        Doug in big ditch
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
>> To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>; "landspeed at autox.team.net" 
>> <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
>>
>>
>>> Hmmm...I spose they otta check the Inspection day.  Trying to get there 
>>> on Sunday the 7th might cause a major disruption in the space-time 
>>> continuum. At least my calendar shows the 7th as a Friday.  Maybe I'm 
>>> the one in the wrong time/date zone.
>>>
>>> RtR
>>>
>>>
>>> At 04:42 PM 11/1/2008, Glen Barrett wrote:
>>>>SCTA,  just posted on their web site that the 2009 dates are now 8-08 
>>>>through
>>>>8-14 -09. If you have rooms reserved this may effect you. Check out 
>>>>what's new
>>>>on the www.scta-bni.org for details
>>>>
>>>>Glen
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sat Nov  1 18:41:31 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:41:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
In-Reply-To: <015601c93c86$e7ff9220$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <1692C00D7EE947D687A8609450FCED6A@Glens>
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List,

I live in Sacramento and this subject, street racing, makes me CRAZY!!!!!!!!

This problem was solved when I was a KID for CH****"s  sake.

Americans supplied "Drag Strips" for Hot Rodders to "get it out of their 
system".
Some were open Thursday and Friday nights for grudge, choose off. etc. 
racing.
also Saturday (day) for more formal racing.

It worked then and it'll work now!!!

How dumb are we anyway?

Disgusted Bryan




Doug Odom wrote:
> Glen, So we will be going back to the old way of starting racing on 
> Saturday? Doug

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sat Nov  1 19:35:07 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:35:07 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
In-Reply-To: <1A486C0D4CE046019B54AFBC1A9AB712@Glens>
References: <1692C00D7EE947D687A8609450FCED6A@Glens>
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	<1A486C0D4CE046019B54AFBC1A9AB712@Glens>
Message-ID: <C62EB464-0C1D-4704-82D2-9B3AD9C5DDF1@comcast.net>

How's this for additional help?  I'll bet you can get an accurate 2009  
calendar at your bank some time in the next five weeks.  They're free  
where I bank ... or at least they were last year.  No telling what  
will happen going forward.  Ray is just having problems with a  
reaction to that "west side of the valley" water like Tom Shannon.

Wes

On Nov 1, 2008, at 6:35 PM, Glen Barrett wrote:

> Well poo, I posted what was on the SCTA web. OK, geez lets not start  
> a war over it. That's why I said to look at their web site  It still  
> say 8-8, 8-14Just trying to help folks.
> Glen
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
> To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>; "landspeed at autox.team.net 
> " <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
>
>
>> Ray, You must be using that old Aztec calendar.  Mine shows the 7th  
>> as a Friday.        Doug in big ditch
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Buck" <rbuck at xmission.com>
>> To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>; "landspeed at autox.team.net 
>> " <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
>>
>>
>>> Hmmm...I spose they otta check the Inspection day.  Trying to get  
>>> there on Sunday the 7th might cause a major disruption in the  
>>> space-time continuum. At least my calendar shows the 7th as a  
>>> Friday.  Maybe I'm the one in the wrong time/date zone.
>>>
>>> RtR
>>>
>>>
>>> At 04:42 PM 11/1/2008, Glen Barrett wrote:
>>>> SCTA,  just posted on their web site that the 2009 dates are now  
>>>> 8-08 through
>>>> 8-14 -09. If you have rooms reserved this may effect you. Check  
>>>> out what's new
>>>> on the www.scta-bni.org for details
>>>>
>>>> Glen
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>
>
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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  1 20:07:26 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:07:26 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Modified street cars in Calif.
In-Reply-To: <015101c93c86$945ff290$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
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     THIS IS 'AFTER'  AIN'T IT ?                -SORRY.



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> From: dlodom at charter.net
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:01:44 -0700
> Subject: [Land-speed] Modified street cars in Calif.

 A word to the wise for California drivers. The Cal. Highway Patrol are
getting
 prepared for a big crack down on street racers. They have become a bigger
 problem than drunk drivers in some places. They will be setting up road
checks
 in the areas the street racers seem to hang out. They have to stop everyone
           ( remember, they can't profile or the ACLU will go nuts).

They will be looking  for any part that is not OEM and does not have a CARB #.
This includes things like MSD box or any adjustable timing or fuel device.

Now even if your car is  old enough to not need a smog certificate it still
must have
the OEM equipment  on it and hooked up. If you have a 70 Mustang or Camaro and
have
 an after  market air filter you can get a citation. You will have to take it
to the
 state referee and get everything checked and signed off. They have been
 finding many Japanese cars with the wrong motors in them. Even with the
serial
 numbers changed they can be caught.


> Just a word to the wise,   Doug Odom in big ditch


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From rbuck at xmission.com  Sat Nov  1 20:41:57 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:41:57 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
In-Reply-To: <C62EB464-0C1D-4704-82D2-9B3AD9C5DDF1@comcast.net>
References: <1692C00D7EE947D687A8609450FCED6A@Glens>
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Sorry, can't blame the Magna water for the hallucinations, nor for 
the damage to the fabric of space/time.
http://www.scta-bni.org/SCTA-NewWeb/Events.html

That page shows the dates Glen posted.  BUT it sez: Inspection - Sunday Aug 7

If the start day is going to be Saturday (back to that) the 8th, and 
the web site sez Sunday the 7th...well, I bet somebody just kinda 
changed the date without changing the day.  I can understand 
that.  I've been doing a major renovation on the ChevyAsylum (in 
preparation for launching RayTheRat.com for some photography stuff) 
and I'm finding all sorts of little things like that.

Glen, what you posted was great.  I was just trying to have a bit of 
fun with it.

I'll go back to fixing my own errors now.

RtR


At 08:35 PM 11/1/2008, Wester Potter wrote:
>How's this for additional help?  I'll bet you can get an accurate 2009
>calendar at your bank some time in the next five weeks.  They're free
>where I bank ... or at least they were last year.  No telling what
>will happen going forward.  Ray is just having problems with a
>reaction to that "west side of the valley" water like Tom Shannon.
>
>Wes
>
>On Nov 1, 2008, at 6:35 PM, Glen Barrett wrote:
>
>>Well poo, I posted what was on the SCTA web. OK, geez lets not start
>>a war over it. That's why I said to look at their web site  It still
>>say 8-8, 8-14Just trying to help folks.
>>Glen
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
>>To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>; 
>>"landspeed at autox.team.net " <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "Ray Buck" 
>><rbuck at xmission.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:23 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
>>
>>
>>>Ray, You must be using that old Aztec calendar.  Mine shows the 7th
>>>as a Friday.        Doug in big ditch

From saltfevr at q.com  Sat Nov  1 22:18:59 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:18:59 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Danny Thompson 2008 SW HRM story
Message-ID: <BAY122-W82F8C232F480890058481C9220@phx.gbl>

http://www.hotrod.com/index.html click on latest videos in upper right hand
corner,after 15sec Nissan commercial ,Enjoy Blue Oval fans!
Tom ShannonMagna, Utah

From v4gr at rcn.com  Sun Nov  2 06:06:04 2008
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:06:04 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars
References: <1692C00D7EE947D687A8609450FCED6A@Glens><E1KwQCv-0005Jl-GU@mx04.mta.xmission.com><013201c93c81$2c98d0f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA><1A486C0D4CE046019B54AFBC1A9AB712@Glens><015601c93c86$e7ff9220$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
	<490D054B.4030403@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <0E691D794DB242FE84CC25F7480471A4@your55e5f9e3d2>

That was then. Now when a similar proposal was made to reopen Half Moon bay 
for the same reason as it was opened in '57 the supervisors said "It sends 
the wrong message" Today's youth should be more interested in public 
transportation. Damn the evidence to the contrary looking you in the face.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
To: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes


> List,
>
> I live in Sacramento and this subject, street racing, makes me 
> CRAZY!!!!!!!!
>
> This problem was solved when I was a KID for CH****"s  sake.
>
> Americans supplied "Drag Strips" for Hot Rodders to "get it out of their 
> system".
> Some were open Thursday and Friday nights for grudge, choose off. etc. 
> racing.
> also Saturday (day) for more formal racing.
>
> It worked then and it'll work now!!!
>
> How dumb are we anyway?
>
> Disgusted Bryan
>
>
>
>
> Doug Odom wrote:
>> Glen, So we will be going back to the old way of starting racing on 
>> Saturday? Doug
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sun Nov  2 06:24:38 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:24:38 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars
In-Reply-To: <0E691D794DB242FE84CC25F7480471A4@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <1692C00D7EE947D687A8609450FCED6A@Glens><E1KwQCv-0005Jl-GU@mx04.mta.xmission.com><013201c93c81$2c98d0f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA><1A486C0D4CE046019B54AFBC1A9AB712@Glens><015601c93c86$e7ff9220$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
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Message-ID: <9A3FE167-F8EF-4342-9F70-8C726C555CCB@comcast.net>

When I lived in the Bay Area 40 years ago it seemed like there were an  
inordinate number of cars with Ohio license plates around "The City".   
I wonder if the laws have changed or are being enforced enough that   
you have to get a California license on the car and comply with  
California emission standards more immediately?  I can see a lot of  
our of state cars on the California roads if this law gets closely  
enforced.

Wes

On Nov 2, 2008, at 6:06 AM, Rich Fox wrote:

> That was then. Now when a similar proposal was made to reopen Half  
> Moon bay for the same reason as it was opened in '57 the supervisors  
> said "It sends the wrong message" Today's youth should be more  
> interested in public transportation. Damn the evidence to the  
> contrary looking you in the face.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net 
> >
> To: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
> Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sun Nov  2 07:25:57 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 6:25:57 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] National Intelligence Test Day
In-Reply-To: <490D054B.4030403@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <20081102092557.208FA.183824.imail@fed1rmwml44>

The National Intelligence Test will be given Tuesday --11-04-2008 . 

Results To be determined.

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sun Nov  2 07:33:11 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 9:33:11 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars
In-Reply-To: <0E691D794DB242FE84CC25F7480471A4@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <20081102093311.1KIMP.183863.imail@fed1rmwml44>

---- Rich Fox <v4gr at rcn.com> wrote: 

> That was then. Now when a similar proposal was made to reopen Half Moon bay 
> for the same reason as it was opened in '57 the supervisors said "It sends 
> the wrong message" Today's youth should be more interested in public 
> transportation. Damn the evidence to the contrary looking you in the face.
 

 Rich---you are so right---the hardest thing I had to learn as a parent was that I could not TEACH my kids to not make the SAME dumbheaded mistakes that I did...---just try to coach them to surviveability---thank God mine did.. 
wmts

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Sun Nov  2 08:16:26 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:16:26 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd:  Speed week date changes
Message-ID: <c77.382d3705.363f1e4a@aol.com>

____________________________________
 From: BWANA343
To: wester6935 at comcast.net
Sent: 11/2/2008 10:15:54 A.M.  Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date  changes




In a message dated 11/1/2008 9:34:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wester6935 at comcast.net writes:

How's  this for additional help?  I'll bet you can get an accurate 2009   
calendar at your bank some time in the next five  weeks.
OR....http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=2009&month=8&count
ry=1
 
You guys are like my father, who thought everything after the sundial was  
newfangled...lol
BOBW (64)



 
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 08:38:27 2008
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:38:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] National Intelligence Test Day
In-Reply-To: <20081102092557.208FA.183824.imail@fed1rmwml44>
Message-ID: <883617.53975.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

As you may know, the 7-11 chain has been offering either a red McCain or blue
Obama cup to put your coffee in. This program is somehow tied to USA newspaper
where a tally is being kept. When I stopped yesterday to get my coffee for the
road there were no blue cups left. I asked the counter guy if he had any in
back to no avail.
 
I won't editorialize.
 
DW

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, sparky.2211 at cox.net <sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:

From: sparky.2211 at cox.net <sparky.2211 at cox.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] National Intelligence Test Day
To: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>, "Doug Odom"
<dlodom at charter.net>
Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 6:25 AM

The National Intelligence Test will be given Tuesday --11-04-2008 .

Results To be determined.
Land-speed mailing list

You are subscribed as dwarner230 at yahoo.com

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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Sun Nov  2 08:43:04 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:43:04 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd:  modified street cars
Message-ID: <bbf.3ba9e61f.363f2488@aol.com>

____________________________________
 From: BWANA343
To: v4gr at rcn.com
Sent: 11/2/2008 10:42:27 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time
Subj: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars




In a message dated 11/2/2008 8:06:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
v4gr at rcn.com writes:

That  was then. Now when a similar proposal was made to reopen Half Moon bay  
for the same reason as it was opened in '57 the supervisors said "It  sends 
the wrong message" Today's youth should be more interested in  public 
transportation. Damn the evidence to the contrary looking you in  the face.
What public transportation ? From what I know of California in general,  
everything is so spread out that public transportation is not a real  option.  
Considering all the motorsports in that state, you'd think they'd welcome  
the idea.
Bottom line, you gotta show them the money, and make it socially and  
politically correct, as a state that might allow prostitution in a major city  (SF) 
obviously has high standards.
Aaarrgghhh !!!
BOB, getting crotchety, fast, W 






 
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sun Nov  2 09:09:31 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:09:31 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars
References: <1692C00D7EE947D687A8609450FCED6A@Glens><E1KwQCv-0005Jl-GU@mx04.mta.xmission.com><013201c93c81$2c98d0f0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA><1A486C0D4CE046019B54AFBC1A9AB712@Glens><015601c93c86$e7ff9220$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA><490D054B.4030403@wildblue.net>
	<0E691D794DB242FE84CC25F7480471A4@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <002601c93d05$6673b680$c7a1b443@S>

Rich -- I have a feeling that those Supers are really worried about having
their towns become weekend hangouts for a certain demographic which, in the
Bay Area at least, has gotten into modifying the small import sedans.  It's
just not PC especially around Norcal to state the real reasons.
>From my viewpoint I'm not sure I'd want some of those juveniles
"discovering" the curvy mountain roads between the SF Bay metropolitan
lowlands and Half Moon Bay on the Coast.
The other factor is that in the past 20 years many of the local cities have
had their turn, much to the locals' chagrin, with unorganized cruise nights.
I'm sure this is much in the minds of the county supervisors.
What was really sad was the missed opportunity to get access to the Alameda
Naval Air Station as a land speed venue when it closed a few years ago.
There was an effort made by several people at the time to get something
going there but there just wasn't the money, political clout, nor the will
to make it happen.   So Oakland got to keep its "side shows" along with its
nightly gunfights.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
To: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:06 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars


> That was then. Now when a similar proposal was made to reopen Half Moon
bay
> for the same reason as it was opened in '57 the supervisors said "It sends
> the wrong message" Today's youth should be more interested in public
> transportation. Damn the evidence to the contrary looking you in the face.

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sun Nov  2 10:31:35 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:31:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd:  modified street cars
In-Reply-To: <bbf.3ba9e61f.363f2488@aol.com>
References: <bbf.3ba9e61f.363f2488@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9DDE86ED-1CA3-4F45-BFE1-D8404185F67C@comcast.net>

Might allow Bob?  Where do you think the United Nations Charter was  
written?
Of course, by the time I was working in The City, Sally Stanford had  
aged and
mellowed enough that she moved across the Golden Gate to Sausalito where
she had her "Valhalla" restaurant.  She was so accepted there that she  
was
elected to the City Council.

The joke among locals then was to the effect that free love among the  
hippies
and the gay community had forced her out of her previous business and  
into
the restaurant business.

We used to go over the Dunbarton Bridge to the Fremont Drag Strip from
Menlo Park.  I had my first glider ride at the airport next to the  
strip.  I think
that area and the farmland around it is all high $$$ housing today.  The
Half Moon Bay area may be just remote enough that the real estate hasn't
reached that level of desirability.  At least they don't have a BART  
link.
The green coalition certainly wouldn't want anything as nasty as a drag
strip defiling the California Coastline.

Wes



On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:43 AM, BWANA343 at aol.com wrote:

> ____________________________________
> From: BWANA343
> To: v4gr at rcn.com
> Sent: 11/2/2008 10:42:27 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time
> Subj: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/2/2008 8:06:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> v4gr at rcn.com writes:
>
> That  was then. Now when a similar proposal was made to reopen Half  
> Moon bay
> for the same reason as it was opened in '57 the supervisors said  
> "It  sends
> the wrong message" Today's youth should be more interested in  public
> transportation. Damn the evidence to the contrary looking you in   
> the face.
> What public transportation ? From what I know of California in  
> general,
> everything is so spread out that public transportation is not a  
> real  option.
> Considering all the motorsports in that state, you'd think they'd  
> welcome
> the idea.
> Bottom line, you gotta show them the money, and make it socially and
> politically correct, as a state that might allow prostitution in a  
> major city  (SF)
> obviously has high standards.
> Aaarrgghhh !!!
> BOB, getting crotchety, fast, W

From saltfevr at q.com  Sun Nov  2 10:38:25 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:38:25 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] National Intelligence Test Day
In-Reply-To: <883617.53975.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <20081102092557.208FA.183824.imail@fed1rmwml44>
	<883617.53975.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W4358E53C734B32C0F6AE45C9220@phx.gbl>

Dan;

As you know, us bus drivers frequent the convenience stores regularly to make
a "pit stop". Well the other morning, my long awaited 7-11 stop, was met with
an "Out of Order" sign on the only restroom door! The clerk told me to choose
either cup and head back to my bus? Whats a guy to do? LOL OH yeah, I had no
passengers......


Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:38:27 -0800> From:
dwarner230 at yahoo.com> To: b.a.savage at wildblue.net; dlodom at charter.net;
sparky.2211 at cox.net> CC: land-speed at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Land-speed]
National Intelligence Test Day> > As you may know, the 7-11 chain has been
offering either a red McCain or blue> Obama cup to put your coffee in. This
program is somehow tied to USA newspaper> where a tally is being kept. When I
stopped yesterday to get my coffee for the> road there were no blue cups left.
I asked the counter guy if he had any in> back to no avail.> > I won't
editorialize.> > DW> > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, sparky.2211 at cox.net
<sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:> > From: sparky.2211 at cox.net
<sparky.2211 at cox.net>> Subject: [Land-speed] National Intelligence Test Day>
To: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>, "Doug Odom">
<dlodom at charter.net>> Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 6:25 AM> > The
National Intelligence Test will be given Tuesday --11-04-2008 .> > Results To
be determined.> Land-speed mailing list> > You are subscribed as
dwarner230 at yahoo.com> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed>
_______________________________________________> Support Team.Net
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From dlodom at charter.net  Sun Nov  2 11:02:12 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:02:12 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] National Intelligence Test Day
References: <20081102092557.208FA.183824.imail@fed1rmwml44>
	<883617.53975.qm@web52506.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<BAY122-W4358E53C734B32C0F6AE45C9220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01e101c93d15$22794430$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Tom, One can only hope that is the reason they were out of blue cups.
Doug in big ditch
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tom Shannon
  To: dwarner230 at yahoo.com ; Bryan Savage ; Doug Odom ; sparky.2211 at cox.net
  Cc: landspeed at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:38 AM
  Subject: RE: [Land-speed] National Intelligence Test Day


  Dan;

  As you know, us bus drivers frequent the convenience stores regularly to
make a "pit stop". Well the other morning, my long awaited 7-11 stop, was met
with an "Out of Order" sign on the only restroom door! The clerk told me to
choose either cup and head back to my bus? Whats a guy to do? LOL OH yeah, I
had no passengers......




  Tom Shannon
  Magna, Utah


  > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:38:27 -0800
  > From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com
  > To: b.a.savage at wildblue.net; dlodom at charter.net; sparky.2211 at cox.net
  > CC: land-speed at autox.team.net
  > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] National Intelligence Test Day
  >
  > As you may know, the 7-11 chain has been offering either a red McCain or
blue
  > Obama cup to put your coffee in. This program is somehow tied to USA
newspaper
  > where a tally is being kept. When I stopped yesterday to get my coffee for
the
  > road there were no blue cups left. I asked the counter guy if he had any
in
  > back to no avail.
  >
  > I won't editorialize.
  >
  > DW
  >
  > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, sparky.2211 at cox.net <sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:
  >
  > From: sparky.2211 at cox.net <sparky.2211 at cox.net>
  > Subject: [Land-speed] National Intelligence Test Day
  > To: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>, "Doug Odom"
  > <dlodom at charter.net>
  > Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
  > Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 6:25 AM
  >
  > The National Intelligence Test will be given Tuesday --11-04-2008 .
  >
  > Results To be determined.
  > Land-speed mailing list
  >
  > You are subscribed as dwarner230 at yahoo.com
  >
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From v4gr at rcn.com  Sun Nov  2 12:24:42 2008
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:24:42 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  modified street cars
Message-ID: <800E75B9F40449799EA2C8A23BB6B3B5@your55e5f9e3d2>

----- Original Message -----
From: Rich Fox
To: BWANA343 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars


As far as I know there is no Public Transportation in Half Moon Bay. However I
have had an Idea that may just work. How does "Gay and Lesbian Timing
Association" sound to you guys?
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BWANA343 at aol.com
  To: v4gr at rcn.com
  Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars




  In a message dated 11/2/2008 8:06:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
v4gr at rcn.com writes:
    That was then. Now when a similar proposal was made to reopen Half Moon
bay
    for the same reason as it was opened in '57 the supervisors said "It sends
    the wrong message" Today's youth should be more interested in public
    transportation. Damn the evidence to the contrary looking you in the
face.
  What public transportation ? From what I know of California in general,
everything is so spread out that public transportation is not a real option.
  Considering all the motorsports in that state, you'd think they'd welcome
the idea.
  Bottom line, you gotta show them the money, and make it socially and
politically correct, as a state that might allow prostitution in a major city
(SF) obviously has high standards.
  Aaarrgghhh !!!
  BOB, getting crotchety, fast, W







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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  2 12:42:11 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:42:11 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars
In-Reply-To: <800E75B9F40449799EA2C8A23BB6B3B5@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <800E75B9F40449799EA2C8A23BB6B3B5@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W20645F2A4381D37FEA46F9D9220@phx.gbl>

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       -105 + miles south of the world famous 'Syracuse
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Flats

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===============================================================


> From: v4gr at rcn.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:24:42 -0800
> Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  modified street cars
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rich Fox
> To: BWANA343 at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars
>
>
> As far as I know there is no Public Transportation in Half Moon Bay. However
I
> have had an Idea that may just work. How does "Gay and Lesbian Timing
> Association" sound to you guys?





>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: BWANA343 at aol.com
>   To: v4gr at rcn.com
>   Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:42 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars
>
>
>
>
>   In a message dated 11/2/2008 8:06:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> v4gr at rcn.com writes:
>     That was then. Now when a similar proposal was made to reopen Half Moon
> bay
>     for the same reason as it was opened in '57 the supervisors said "It
sends
>     the wrong message" Today's youth should be more interested in public
>     transportation. Damn the evidence to the contrary looking you in the
> face.
>   What public transportation ? From what I know of California in general,
> everything is so spread out that public transportation is not a real
option.
>   Considering all the motorsports in that state, you'd think they'd welcome
> the idea.
>   Bottom line, you gotta show them the money, and make it socially and
> politically correct, as a state that might allow prostitution in a major
city
> (SF) obviously has high standards.
>   Aaarrgghhh !!!


BOB, getting crotchety, fast, W


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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sun Nov  2 12:45:45 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:45:45 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Half Moon Bay, Etc.
References: <800E75B9F40449799EA2C8A23BB6B3B5@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <001101c93d23$9f067500$04240418@S>

RE: Half Moon Bay.....Hey, if it worked that would be fine with me......But
I don't think I'd be joining a GLTA anytime soon.
BTW, I filled my gas tank at Costco in Santa Clara this past week for
$2.41.9/gallon for regular.  Maybe there's still hope for my old 78 GMC
pickup.
Oh, and another little find.......interesting set of tube bender plans for
$20
http://www.gottrikes.com/Tube_Bender.htm
And a question.......a couple of weeks back some of the Utah guys were
looking for scrap aluminum so they could cast more Save the Salt plaques.
Who was it?  I just busted up the cast aluminum covers of an old gas
barbeque after I went to a lot of trouble cleaning them up only to discover
the parts to fix it up cost more than a new one.
Ed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:24 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: modified street cars


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rich Fox
> To: BWANA343 at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars
> As far as I know there is no Public Transportation in Half Moon Bay.
However I
> have had an Idea that may just work. How does "Gay and Lesbian Timing
> Association" sound to you guys?

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Sun Nov  2 12:50:39 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:50:39 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Half Moon Bay, Etc.
In-Reply-To: <001101c93d23$9f067500$04240418@S>
References: <800E75B9F40449799EA2C8A23BB6B3B5@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<001101c93d23$9f067500$04240418@S>
Message-ID: <2BB0C98A-F561-4CBF-9293-FDAD9096E9E2@nancyandjon.org>

On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Ed Weldon wrote:


And a question.......a couple of weeks back some of the Utah guys were
looking for scrap aluminum so they could cast more Save the Salt  
plaques.
Who was it?  I just busted up the cast aluminum covers of an old gas
barbeque after I went to a lot of trouble cleaning them up only to  
discover
the parts to fix it up cost more than a new one.
Ed



Ed, it's Bo Burkdoll (as in the Burkdoll 'liner) and a friend of his.   
There's information on the home page of landracing.com -- including a  
shipping address.

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From ed at vetteracing.com  Sun Nov  2 20:18:25 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:18:25 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes
Message-ID: <W8226331718227461225682305@webmail37>

You mean your bank is still open????
EVS
-----Original Message-----
From: Wester Potter [mailto:wester6935 at comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 07:35 PM
To: 'Glen Barrett'
Cc: landspeed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed week date changes

How's this for additional help? I'll bet you can get an accurate 2009 calendar
at your bank some time in the next five weeks. They're free where I bank ...
or at least they were last year. No telling what will happen going forward.
Ray is just having problems with a reaction to that "west side of the valley"
water like Tom Shannon. Wes On Nov 1, 2008, at 6:35 PM, Glen Barrett wrote: >
Well poo, I posted what was on the SCTA web. OK, geez lets not start > a war
over it. That's why I said to look at their web site It still > say 8-8,
8-14Just trying to help folks. > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- From:
"Doug Odom" > To: "Glen Barrett" ; "landspeed at autox.team.net > " ; "Ray Buck"
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Speed
week date changes > > >> Ray, You must be using that old Aztec calendar. Mine
shows the 7th >> as a Friday. Doug in big ditch >> ----- Original Message
----- From: "Ray Buck" >> To: "Glen Barrett" ; "landspeed at autox.team.net >> "
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [Land-speed]
Speed week date changes >> >> >>> Hmmm...I spose they otta check the
Inspection day. Trying to get >>> there on Sunday the 7th might cause a major
disruption in the >>> space-time continuum. At least my calendar shows the 7th
as a >>> Friday. Maybe I'm the one in the wrong time/date zone. >>> >>> RtR
>>> >>> >>> At 04:42 PM 11/1/2008, Glen Barrett wrote: >>>> SCTA, just posted
on their web site that the 2009 dates are now >>>> 8-08 through >>>> 8-14 -09.
If you have rooms reserved this may effect you. Check >>>> out what's new >>>>
on the www.scta-bni.org for details >>>> >>>>

From saltfever at comcast.net  Sun Nov  2 20:27:23 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:27:23 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars
Message-ID: <B8049363455C4A01AD1478FBF95CEEF2@dim8100>

Wes. What used to be mud flats and farm land is all gone. The drag strip
land has been converted to very large auto mall. All other land from there
to the estuary (except the decommissioned land fill) is developed industrial
property. Every spec of land from there to San Jose is now developed (on
both sides of the freeway) with either shopping malls or industrial parks.
Silicon Valley Industry has overflowed to Fremont due to the "relatively"
lower cost of square footage compared to across the bay. You got out in time
:-)



Sun, 2 Nov 2008 From: Wester Potter <wester6935 at comcast.net>

(snip . . ) We used to go over the Dunbarton Bridge to the Fremont Drag
Strip from Menlo Park.  I had my first glider ride at the airport next to
the strip.  I think that area and the farmland around it is all high $$$
housing today.

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sun Nov  2 20:30:31 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:30:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars
References: <B8049363455C4A01AD1478FBF95CEEF2@dim8100>
Message-ID: <D2D7CAE577344386941459880C75C96C@Glens>

That's what's neat about Las Vegas, everything around the race tracks is 
Automotive related or USAF and no one cares about the noise. The only draw 
back is the heat in the summer months.
Glen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elon" <saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "land-speed submit" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars


> Wes. What used to be mud flats and farm land is all gone. The drag strip
> land has been converted to very large auto mall. All other land from there
> to the estuary (except the decommissioned land fill) is developed 
> industrial
> property. Every spec of land from there to San Jose is now developed (on
> both sides of the freeway) with either shopping malls or industrial parks.
> Silicon Valley Industry has overflowed to Fremont due to the "relatively"
> lower cost of square footage compared to across the bay. You got out in 
> time
> :-)
>
>
>
> Sun, 2 Nov 2008 From: Wester Potter <wester6935 at comcast.net>
>
> (snip . . ) We used to go over the Dunbarton Bridge to the Fremont Drag
> Strip from Menlo Park.  I had my first glider ride at the airport next to
> the strip.  I think that area and the farmland around it is all high $$$
> housing today.
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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  2 21:11:28 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:11:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
In-Reply-To: <B8049363455C4A01AD1478FBF95CEEF2@dim8100>
Message-ID: <649671.69907.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wonder what happened to everybody's old hometown drag strip.  The strip
where I first raced in Valkaria, Florida is now the municipal airport.  There
is an old strip near where I live now, outside of Tyler, Texas, that has been
divided in half and turned into an industrial park.  Recently, the strip at
Hallsville, Texas closed down and is going to become a mobil home park.
 
What about you guys?  Whatever happened to your old hometown strips?
 
DickJ
In East Texas
 

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, Elon <saltfever at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Elon <saltfever at comcast.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars
To: "land-speed submit" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 9:27 PM

Wes. What used to be mud flats and farm land is all gone. The drag strip
land has been converted to very large auto mall. All other land from there
to the estuary (except the decommissioned land fill) is developed industrial
property. Every spec of land from there to San Jose is now developed (on
both sides of the freeway) with either shopping malls or industrial parks.
Silicon Valley Industry has overflowed to Fremont due to the
"relatively"
lower cost of square footage compared to across the bay. You got out in time
:-)



Sun, 2 Nov 2008 From: Wester Potter <wester6935 at comcast.net>

(snip . . ) We used to go over the Dunbarton Bridge to the Fremont Drag
Strip from Menlo Park.  I had my first glider ride at the airport next to
the strip.  I think that area and the farmland around it is all high $$$
housing today.

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sun Nov  2 21:54:49 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
In-Reply-To: <649671.69907.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <649671.69907.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20F48FCD-0BFB-48F4-BF7E-3CC72208ED1F@comcast.net>

Dick,

The dump road in Provo where we used to street race is in the middle  
of an industrial park.
The road to Cedar Fort that the Utah Highway Patrol used to shut down  
for drag races is
now the main thorofare to Cedar Hills and handles an insane amount of  
traffic every day.
Redwood Road above 16th North where we raced is now a busy approach to  
I-215.
Airport #2 where we used to have sanctioned drag races and SCCA road  
races is now
the home field for the Utah National Guard and is a busy airfield.
They still have drag races at what was known as the Bonneville  
Raceway.  It was taken
over by the family that owns Young Chevrolet in Layton, UT and is now  
known as
Rocky Mountain Raceway and they have an oval track for stock cars but  
they also
still have all the varieties of drag race there.  Friday night high  
school challenges and
the works.
Another auto dealer from here decided to build a road course club  
style track when the
folks in Colorado fought him on expanding a road course over there.   
Ask Tom Shannon
what Larry H Miller has done with that place.  Tom is a flag  man out  
there in his spare
time.  Larry started out to build a $10 million dollar club style  
track.  Now it's a $110
million dollar track and the finest road course in the country.  He  
put almost as much
into the track as he does into the annual payroll for the basketball  
team he also owns,
the Utah Jazz.
The end result is two good tracks, with three kinds of racing, twenty  
miles apart and
a third one 95 miles away, The Bonneville Salt Flats that we're all  
familiar with here
in the "Pretty Great State" of Utah. Racing is alive and well here in  
Utah, just with
more glitz!

Wes

On Nov 2, 2008, at 9:11 PM, Dick J wrote:

> I wonder what happened to everybody's old hometown drag strip.  The  
> strip
> where I first raced in Valkaria, Florida is now the municipal  
> airport.  There
> is an old strip near where I live now, outside of Tyler, Texas, that  
> has been
> divided in half and turned into an industrial park.  Recently, the  
> strip at
> Hallsville, Texas closed down and is going to become a mobil home  
> park.
>
> What about you guys?  Whatever happened to your old hometown strips?
>
> DickJ
> In East Texas

From ecpurinton at wildblue.net  Mon Nov  3 05:44:33 2008
From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:44:33 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] your old drag strip
Message-ID: <e5e0d8b40811030444y1afa14c7pc7fa29340fb5ca5d@mail.gmail.com>

Orange MA airport is still active pretty much as it was in the day minus the
drags.  Heard that major hurdle for the drags was insurance powers deciding
that a temporary row of haybales and ropes would no longer be adequate for
crowd control/safety and the FAA regs wouldn't allow permanent barriers the
insurance would require.  Also heard that the local civic organization that
put the events on had a somewhat declining/aging membership and was getting
a bit burned out with all the work involved.

Feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone every time I go to Maxton, dirt entrance
road through the trees very similar to Orange and sometimes the Golden
Knights are practicing.  Differences are longer course, one rig at a time,
no ET's on timeslip or grudge racing after the TE run off, and 'chutists
usually coming down over staging end.  One of Orange starter's standard
routines was glancing back up over his shoulder in the direction of shutdown
for 'chutists prior to flagging off the run, usually they came down over the
finish/shutdown area on their way to the target across the runway/course and
would occasinally land short on the course.

                            Ed Purinton

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Mon Nov  3 07:46:41 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:46:41 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
In-Reply-To: <649671.69907.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <B8049363455C4A01AD1478FBF95CEEF2@dim8100>
	<649671.69907.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20081103144630.69469187884@autox.team.net>

Famoso near Bakersfield was my home track. Made many, many passes and 
set a couple of records there. It is the home of CHRR and still 
operating. My first win was at Inyokern in 1956...... now closed.

Skip





At 08:11 PM 11/2/2008, Dick J wrote:
>I wonder what happened to everybody's old hometown drag strip.  The strip
>where I first raced in Valkaria, Florida is now the municipal airport.  There
>is an old strip near where I live now, outside of Tyler, Texas, that has been
>divided in half and turned into an industrial park.  Recently, the strip at
>Hallsville, Texas closed down and is going to become a mobil home park.
>
>What about you guys?  Whatever happened to your old hometown strips?
>
>DickJ
>In East Texas

From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon Nov  3 09:27:11 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:27:11 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
In-Reply-To: <20F48FCD-0BFB-48F4-BF7E-3CC72208ED1F@comcast.net>
References: <649671.69907.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20F48FCD-0BFB-48F4-BF7E-3CC72208ED1F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <95C3C7BEF9A244D7ADD90548AF7A26BD@DBTech>

Tucson Dragway is long gone. It hosted some Winternationals in its day but
it's now overgrown with weeds. The drag strip operator was caught landing
his plane on the strip at night with a load of drugs from Mexico. I think he
might still be in prison.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wester Potter
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:55 PM
To: lsr_man at yahoo.com
Cc: land-speed submit; Elon
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip

Dick,

The dump road in Provo where we used to street race is in the middle  
of an industrial park.
The road to Cedar Fort that the Utah Highway Patrol used to shut down  
for drag races is
now the main thorofare to Cedar Hills and handles an insane amount of  
traffic every day.
Redwood Road above 16th North where we raced is now a busy approach to  
I-215.
Airport #2 where we used to have sanctioned drag races and SCCA road  
races is now
the home field for the Utah National Guard and is a busy airfield.
They still have drag races at what was known as the Bonneville  
Raceway.  It was taken
over by the family that owns Young Chevrolet in Layton, UT and is now  
known as
Rocky Mountain Raceway and they have an oval track for stock cars but  
they also
still have all the varieties of drag race there.  Friday night high  
school challenges and
the works.
Another auto dealer from here decided to build a road course club  
style track when the
folks in Colorado fought him on expanding a road course over there.   
Ask Tom Shannon
what Larry H Miller has done with that place.  Tom is a flag  man out  
there in his spare
time.  Larry started out to build a $10 million dollar club style  
track.  Now it's a $110
million dollar track and the finest road course in the country.  He  
put almost as much
into the track as he does into the annual payroll for the basketball  
team he also owns,
the Utah Jazz.
The end result is two good tracks, with three kinds of racing, twenty  
miles apart and
a third one 95 miles away, The Bonneville Salt Flats that we're all  
familiar with here
in the "Pretty Great State" of Utah. Racing is alive and well here in  
Utah, just with
more glitz!

Wes

On Nov 2, 2008, at 9:11 PM, Dick J wrote:

> I wonder what happened to everybody's old hometown drag strip.  The  
> strip
> where I first raced in Valkaria, Florida is now the municipal  
> airport.  There
> is an old strip near where I live now, outside of Tyler, Texas, that  
> has been
> divided in half and turned into an industrial park.  Recently, the  
> strip at
> Hallsville, Texas closed down and is going to become a mobil home  
> park.
>
> What about you guys?  Whatever happened to your old hometown strips?
>
> DickJ
> In East Texas
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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  3 11:03:50 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:03:50 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Modified street cars in Calif.
In-Reply-To: <110320081718.17347.490F326F0003A52F000043C32216538496C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
References: <110320081718.17347.490F326F0003A52F000043C32216538496C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W48ECC1C744EA079812655FD91D0@phx.gbl>

   Nope,...

  AhNold sez AB-saloot-lee NOT  -or  "Ah'll be Bock"

       LOL!     ;-)    ;-)   ;-)   ;-)   ;-)    ;-)   ;-)   ;-)   ;-)    ;-)
;-)   ;-)   ;-)    ;-)   ;-)   ;-)





c heers to ya , ' Dirt Track Doug '



       -105 + miles south of the world famous 'Syracuse
Mile '
       -241.4  miles north of the Williams Grove Speedway pit entrance
       -2247  or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt
Flats

but never more than a few feet from a cold one
================================================================

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   Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Modified street cars in Calif.
    Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:18:39 +0000


               So I can't modify a vehicle to get 50 mpg either?   jack



 -------------- Original message ----------------------

 From: Doug Anderson <boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com>


    AH YES  AMERICA ,..  "THE LAND OF THE FREE,  THE HOME OF... "

   OH WAIT;   THAT WAS "BEFORE "

   THIS IS 'AFTER'  AIN'T IT ?                -SORRY.



   cheers, ' Dirt Track Doug '

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ZZ


> > > From: dlodom at charter.net
> > > To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> > > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:01:44 -0700
> > > Subject: [Land-speed] Modified street cars in Calif.
> >
> >  A word to the wise for California drivers. The Cal. Highway Patrol are
> > getting
> >  prepared for a big crack down on street racers. They have become a
bigger
> >  problem than drunk drivers in some places. They will be setting up road
> > checks
> >  in the areas the street racers seem to hang out. They have to stop
everyone
> >            ( remember, they can't profile or the ACLU will go nuts).
> >
> > They will be looking  for any part that is not OEM and does not have a
CARB #.
> > This includes things like MSD box or any adjustable timing or fuel
device.
> >
> > Now even if your car is  old enough to not need a smog certificate it
still
> > must have
> > the OEM equipment  on it and hooked up. If you have a 70 Mustang or Camaro
and
> > have
> >  an after  market air filter you can get a citation. You will have to take
it
> > to the
> >  state referee and get everything checked and signed off. They have been
> >  finding many Japanese cars with the wrong motors in them. Even with the
> > serial
> >  numbers changed they can be caught.
> >
> >
> > > Just a word to the wise,   Doug Odom in big ditch


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From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Mon Nov  3 13:04:20 2008
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:04:20 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
References: <649671.69907.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CFE0CF838FB74EA282DF8A51A5D677AD@531W>

> I wonder what happened to everybody's old hometown drag strip.  The strip
> where I first raced in Valkaria, Florida is now the municipal airport. 
> There
> is an old strip near where I live now, outside of Tyler, Texas, that has 
> been
> divided in half and turned into an industrial park.  Recently, the strip 
> at
> Hallsville, Texas closed down and is going to become a mobil home park.
>
> What about you guys?  Whatever happened to your old hometown strips?
>
> DickJ
> In East Texas
>
>

 The Kahuku airfield we used in Hawaii, was closed down after the Campbell
industrial park raceway opened in the early 60's. and is now part shrimp 
farm
and the rest abandoned, too short to be used again .
and I read that the Campbell raceway closed two years ago. leaving no place
for  the Hawaii guys to run,     (Hawaii Raceway Park  closed April 2006 )

Ronald Leong  (The Hawaiian )  got his start there at Kahuku.

                                John 

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Mon Nov  3 14:33:41 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:33:41 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
In-Reply-To: <CFE0CF838FB74EA282DF8A51A5D677AD@531W>
References: <649671.69907.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CFE0CF838FB74EA282DF8A51A5D677AD@531W>
Message-ID: <490F6E35.2080506@wildblue.net>

John,

99.9% of all 40's, 50's,etc. dragstrips have fallen to development.

The reasons are obvious, money and population increasing 3X.
That's the the way it's always been in America.
To me, it's not bad or good, that's just the way it is.

Sometimes Reality is a bitch,
Bryan



John Szalay wrote:
>> I wonder what happened to everybody's old hometown drag strip.  The strip
>> where I first raced in Valkaria, Florida is now the municipal airport. 
>> There
>> is an old strip near where I live now, outside of Tyler, Texas, that 
>> has been
>> divided in half and turned into an industrial park.  Recently, the 
>> strip at
>> Hallsville, Texas closed down and is going to become a mobil home park.
>>
>> What about you guys?  Whatever happened to your old hometown strips?
>>
>> DickJ
>> In East Texas

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Mon Nov  3 15:09:50 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:09:50 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
Message-ID: <c84.3cde191e.3640d0ae@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/2/2008 11:11:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lsr_man at yahoo.com writes:

What  about you guys?  Whatever happened to your old hometown  strips?

DickJ
 
What a great thread idea , Dick !!! THANK YOU !!!

Dover NY  Drags out of BIz I think late 60s, now a gravel pit, plowed up  
strip
Long Island had horrible 1/8 Islip, Garlits really screwed his back on the  
super mogully shut down, gone to condos. Also Westhampton, 1/4, changed   names 
to blahblah Motorsports, I think still there but closed.
Connecticut Dragway shut down, now car test site for Consumers Reports Mag. 
Still got the NJ tracks, or way up to Epping NH or Lebanon Valley,  NY...
BDF or others on this list can correct or enlarge on my memories.
BOBW
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From saltfevr at q.com  Mon Nov  3 15:46:08 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:46:08 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
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Dick;


My old  AHRA Norwalk Dragway in Northern Ohio which had humble beginnings in
1963,as did most,was bought by Bill Bader Sr. in 1974. He ran a National IHRA
event and never looked back. Then Bill Bader Jr took over in 1998. And
recently its now an NHRA Premier Strip called "Summit Motorsports Park".Though
still owned by the Bader Family, sure don't look like the corn fileds I
remember, running my moms '66 Fairlane in pure stock automatic! LOL

Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> From: BWANA343 at aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:09:50
-0500> To: lsr_man at yahoo.com; land-speed at autox.team.net> Subject: Re:
[Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip> > In a message dated
11/2/2008 11:11:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > lsr_man at yahoo.com writes:> >
What about you guys? Whatever happened to your old hometown strips?> > DickJ>
> What a great thread idea , Dick !!! THANK YOU !!!> > Dover NY Drags out of
BIz I think late 60s, now a gravel pit, plowed up > strip> Long Island had
horrible 1/8 Islip, Garlits really screwed his back on the > super mogully
shut down, gone to condos. Also Westhampton, 1/4, changed names > to blahblah
Motorsports, I think still there but closed.> Connecticut Dragway shut down,
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From saltfevr at q.com  Mon Nov  3 17:17:12 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
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Wester:

Great job of describing Utah race scene.
BTW, Millers track has released 2009 major race schedule.
Heres a link from HRM Drag Safari 1954 at Airport #2. Have a safe trip at
SEMA, 'ya lucky stiff!!
http://www.hotrod.com/wallpepers/muscle_car-hot_rod_desktops/photo_17.html

other great wallpapers to also peruse!

Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah> From: wester6935 at comcast.net> To: lsr_man at yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2
Nov 2008 21:54:49 -0700> CC: land-speed at autox.team.net; saltfever at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip> > Dick,>
> The dump road in Provo where we used to street race is in the middle > of an
industrial park.> The road to Cedar Fort that the Utah Highway Patrol used to
shut down > for drag races is> now the main thorofare to Cedar Hills and
handles an insane amount of > traffic every day.> Redwood Road above 16th
North where we raced is now a busy approach to > I-215.> Airport #2 where we
used to have sanctioned drag races and SCCA road > races is now> the home
field for the Utah National Guard and is a busy airfield.> They still have
drag races at what was known as the Bonneville > Raceway. It was taken> over
by the family that owns Young Chevrolet in Layton, UT and is now > known as>
Rocky Mountain Raceway and they have an oval track for stock cars but > they
also> still have all the varieties of drag race there. Friday night high >
school challenges and> the works.> Another auto dealer from here decided to
build a road course club > style track when the> folks in Colorado fought him
on expanding a road course over there. > Ask Tom Shannon> what Larry H Miller
has done with that place. Tom is a flag man out > there in his spare> time.
Larry started out to build a $10 million dollar club style > track. Now it's a
$110> million dollar track and the finest road course in the country. He > put
almost as much> into the track as he does into the annual payroll for the
basketball > team he also owns,> the Utah Jazz.> The end result is two good
tracks, with three kinds of racing, twenty > miles apart and> a third one 95
miles away, The Bonneville Salt Flats that we're all > familiar with here> in
the "Pretty Great State" of Utah. Racing is alive and well here in > Utah,
just with> more glitz!> > Wes> > On Nov 2, 2008, at 9:11 PM, Dick J wrote:> >
> I wonder what happened to everybody's old hometown drag strip. The > >
strip> > where I first raced in Valkaria, Florida is now the municipal > >
airport. There> > is an old strip near where I live now, outside of Tyler,
Texas, that > > has been> > divided in half and turned into an industrial
park. Recently, the > > strip at> > Hallsville, Texas closed down and is going
to become a mobil home > > park.> >> > What about you guys? Whatever happened
to your old hometown strips?> >> > DickJ> > In East Texas>
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From mike_lackey at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  3 18:52:32 2008
From: mike_lackey at yahoo.com (Mike Lackey)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:52:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
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I'm a bit younger [OK, a LOT younger :) ] than most of you, so my hometown
track in Palmer, Alaska is still alive and kicking.  However, it originally
opened in '64 as Thunder Valley Raceway, so it was operating when many of you
first started racing.  It was Polar Raceway when I first raced there.  It's
one of the most scenic tracks you'll ever see if you get a chance to visit;
the track is located right at the base of a large mountain that you head
straight towards.

Several years ago my father bought the track and now runs
it as Alaska Raceway Park.  http://akracewaypark.com/

Mike



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Message ----
From: Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
To: land-speed submit
<land-speed at autox.team.net>; Elon <saltfever at comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday,
November 2, 2008 8:11:28 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your
old drag strip

I wonder what happened to everybody's old hometown drag
strip.  The strip
where I first raced in Valkaria, Florida is now the
municipal airport.  There
is an old strip near where I live now, outside of
Tyler, Texas, that has been
divided in half and turned into an industrial
park.  Recently, the strip at
Hallsville, Texas closed down and is going to
become a mobil home park.

What about you guys?  Whatever happened to your old
hometown strips?

DickJ
In East Texas


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From: Elon <saltfever at comcast.net>
Subject:
[Land-speed] modified street cars
To: "land-speed submit"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 9:27 PM

Wes. What
used to be mud flats and farm land is all gone. The drag strip
land has been
converted to very large auto mall. All other land from there
to the estuary
(except the decommissioned land fill) is developed industrial
property. Every
spec of land from there to San Jose is now developed (on
both sides of the
freeway) with either shopping malls or industrial parks.
Silicon Valley
Industry has overflowed to Fremont due to the
"relatively"
lower cost of
square footage compared to across the bay. You got out in time
:-)



Sun, 2
Nov 2008 From: Wester Potter <wester6935 at comcast.net>

(snip . . ) We used to
go over the Dunbarton Bridge to the Fremont Drag
Strip from Menlo Park.  I had
my first glider ride at the airport next to
the strip.  I think that area and
the farmland around it is all high $$$
housing today.
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From jolylance at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  3 18:59:11 2008
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:59:11 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
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I found out four years ago my favorite drag strip, in Salem, Ohio, from the
1950-60s was still operating and much improved---electricity in the pits !
no longer using the old barn silo as the control tower ! And they had
impressive car building shops on site. I was passing thru the area and 
decided to look for it--was there on an off day and the current owner, Dan 
Swindell, recognized me as a fellow old-timer, showed me around, and talked 
about the early days for a couple of hours. Some of the guys from my early 
days, including the impressive Pontiac "Tin Indian", are still running 
there.
Their web site is www.quakercityraceway.com

I initially had a hard time finding it again so I stopped in an Advance auto 
parts store to
get directions--the young guys there asked me if I was going to run my car.
The look on their faces was priceless when I said "Naw, I did that in 61"

Used to go to a rag-tag strip in Erie, Pa in the 1950s and later we had a 
well run strip here at the Hiedelburg Raceway here in Pittsburgh. Regret I 
never got to Akron where I could've seen the Arfons brothers run

Lance

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Shannon" <saltfevr at q.com>
To: <bwana343 at aol.com>; <lsr_man at yahoo.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip


> Dick;
>
>
> My old  AHRA Norwalk Dragway in Northern Ohio which had humble beginnings
> in
> 1963,as did most,was bought by Bill Bader Sr. in 1974. He ran a National
> IHRA
> event and never looked back. Then Bill Bader Jr took over in 1998. And
> recently its now an NHRA Premier Strip called "Summit Motorsports
> Park".Though
> still owned by the Bader Family, sure don't look like the corn fileds I
> remember, running my moms '66 Fairlane in pure stock automatic! LOL
>
> Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> From: BWANA343 at aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008
> 17:09:50
> -0500> To: lsr_man at yahoo.com; land-speed at autox.team.net> Subject: Re:
> [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip> > In a message
> dated
> 11/2/2008 11:11:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > lsr_man at yahoo.com
> writes:> >
> What about you guys? Whatever happened to your old hometown strips?> >
> DickJ>
>> What a great thread idea , Dick !!! THANK YOU !!!> > Dover NY Drags out
>> of
> BIz I think late 60s, now a gravel pit, plowed up > strip> Long Island had
> horrible 1/8 Islip, Garlits really screwed his back on the > super mogully
> shut down, gone to condos. Also Westhampton, 1/4, changed names > to
> blahblah
> Motorsports, I think still there but closed.> Connecticut Dragway shut
> down,
> now car test site for Consumers Reports Mag. > Still got the NJ tracks, or
> way
> up to Epping NH or Lebanon Valley, NY...> BDF or others on this list can
> correct or enlarge on my memories.> BOBW> 

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  4 00:51:41 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:51:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
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--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Tom Shannon saltfevr at q.com> wrote: .. .. I remember,
running my moms '66 Fairlane in pure stock automatic! LOL
 
That brought a big smile.  Obviously I'm a little older, but I have fond
memories of running my dad's Chrysler 300C is Super Stock Automatic!  Drive to
the strip, take off the air cleaners, pop the hub caps, unscrew the lakes
pipes, and be a big time racer for the day!  LoL
 
Dick
 

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Tue Nov  4 07:04:11 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:04:11 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
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Message-ID: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB016CDFB0@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

This is a great idea . . .

There once was a road race circuit (ok, old airport) at Cotati - not
sure if they had drags there or not.

In about 1966 a friend and I drove out to Sear Point (probably 9 miles
from home) to check on the construction - drove the course backwards
(kids, what do they know) and I've heard they even put in a drag strip.

I grew up a "tea bagger" - sports cars were the only thing.  Every month
I would wait for Road & Track magazine and cheer the Cobras onward.  The
LSR defliction is only about 5 years old.

David in Durango

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Subject: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip

In a message dated 11/2/2008 11:11:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lsr_man at yahoo.com writes:

What  about you guys?  Whatever happened to your old hometown  strips?

DickJ

What a great thread idea , Dick !!! THANK YOU !!!

Dover NY  Drags out of BIz I think late 60s, now a gravel pit, plowed up

strip
Long Island had horrible 1/8 Islip, Garlits really screwed his back on
the
super mogully shut down, gone to condos. Also Westhampton, 1/4, changed
names
to blahblah Motorsports, I think still there but closed.
Connecticut Dragway shut down, now car test site for Consumers Reports
Mag.
Still got the NJ tracks, or way up to Epping NH or Lebanon Valley,
NY...
BDF or others on this list can correct or enlarge on my memories.
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From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Tue Nov  4 09:23:57 2008
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:23:57 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR History>From>J G. Magoo
Message-ID: <110420081623.20327.4910771D0003D13500004F6722069984990101090E030906@comcast.net>

Another well-done LSR doccumentary:

w/ great sound:

Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhrcaWSYKAM


Part 2:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTbsHD7tCyI

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Jim McNaul 
I was always taught to respect my elders....but it keeps getting harder to find one! 

From karhu at california.com  Tue Nov  4 10:05:03 2008
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:05:03 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
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I think the old Cotati airstrip is now housing or some such thing (now what 
were the problems that were solved by more population?).  Did get a chance 
to "drive" it one late night.  I never wished more for serious headlights...
Benn

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From: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
To: <BWANA343 at aol.com>; <lsr_man at yahoo.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip


> This is a great idea . . .
>
> There once was a road race circuit (ok, old airport) at Cotati - not
> sure if they had drags there or not.
>
> In about 1966 a friend and I drove out to Sear Point (probably 9 miles
> from home) to check on the construction - drove the course backwards
> (kids, what do they know) and I've heard they even put in a drag strip.
>
> I grew up a "tea bagger" - sports cars were the only thing.  Every month
> I would wait for Road & Track magazine and cheer the Cobras onward.  The
> LSR defliction is only about 5 years old.
>
> David in Durango
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BWANA343 at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:10 PM
> To: lsr_man at yahoo.com; land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
>
> In a message dated 11/2/2008 11:11:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> lsr_man at yahoo.com writes:
>
> What  about you guys?  Whatever happened to your old hometown  strips?
>
> DickJ
>
> What a great thread idea , Dick !!! THANK YOU !!!
>
> Dover NY  Drags out of BIz I think late 60s, now a gravel pit, plowed up
>
> strip
> Long Island had horrible 1/8 Islip, Garlits really screwed his back on
> the
> super mogully shut down, gone to condos. Also Westhampton, 1/4, changed
> names
> to blahblah Motorsports, I think still there but closed.
> Connecticut Dragway shut down, now car test site for Consumers Reports
> Mag.
> Still got the NJ tracks, or way up to Epping NH or Lebanon Valley,
> NY...
> BDF or others on this list can correct or enlarge on my memories.
> BOBW
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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Tue Nov  4 20:01:24 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:01:24 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
Message-ID: <bd6.410bbf46.36426684@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/4/2008 2:51:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lsr_man at yahoo.com writes:

but I have fond memories of running my dad's Chrysler 300C is Super Stock  
Automatic!  Drive to the strip, take off the air cleaners, pop the hub  caps, 
unscrew the lakes pipes, and be a big time racer for the day!   LoL
 
Dick


My dad had a 63 Pontiac Tempest, weird  little compact w/ the  1/2 a 389 4 
cyl 195 in. and a one Bbl.
Automatic powerglide, ton of torque but   115hp advertised.   Ran L stock 
automatic. We changed the tall Pontiac OEM tires for a much smaller  (Corvair?) 
tire and rim, lowered our 1/4 ET into the low 16s and won, a lot, all  over the 
North East. Only other mod was removing the air filter. 
Had a pal drove his Dad's 64 four door Chevelle, also Powerglide and  the 
Chevy 6. Two 6 motors that year, one w/ 120 hp, one w/ 150, I believe. Only  
external diff was chrome valve covers and a little chevron for the bigger HP on  
the fender. Minimal bod work removed the chevron, junkyard supplied the 
stockish  valve cover to run two classes lower.Presto, lotsa wins, and even a huge  
Street Eiminator  Trophy at York in 1965.... 
York, PA, four cars at a time, yikes !!!
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From jolylance at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  4 20:59:53 2008
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:59:53 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Non-LSR  Stainless Steel Ford  1936
Message-ID: <001d01c93efa$f5b621b0$2101a8c0@WinXP>

One of these SS Fords is on permanent display at the Heinz History Center in
Pittsburgh

Lance



WOULDN'T YOU LOVE TO HAVE THIS?
Here are a few shots of a 1936 Ford Tudor Sedan built for and owned by
Allegheny Ludlum Steel.
It was featured in a local parade with over 100 of our salaried, hourly and
retired employees walking alongside.
This is 1 of only 4 in existence and is the only one currently in running & in
road worthy condition.
The car is in exceptional condition, with the interior and even the frame
looking great.
All 4 cars each had over 200,000 miles on them before they removed them from
service.
These cars were built for  Allegheny as promotional and marketing projects.
The top salesmen each year were given the honor of being able to drive them
for one year.
The V-8 engine (max 85 hp) ran like a sewing machine and was surprisingly
smooth and quite.
I thought this was a much better looking automobile than the Ford Thunderbird
that visited us last year.
FYI, the car was insured (we were told) for the trip to Louisville via covered
trailer for 1.5 million dollars.
People were told that the dies were ruined by stamping the stainless car
parts,
making these the last of these cars ever produced.

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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  5 08:54:19 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:54:19 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
In-Reply-To: <bd6.410bbf46.36426684@aol.com>
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 cheater  -- cheater  --  cheater !



c heers, ' Dirt Track Doug '




> From: BWANA343 at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:01:24 -0500

   Had a pal drove his Dad's 64 four door Chevelle, also Powerglide and  the
> Chevy 6. Two 6 motors that year, one w/ 120 hp, one w/ 150, I believe. Only
> external diff was chrome valve covers and a little chevron for the bigger HP
on
> the fender.

   " Minimal bod work removed the chevron, junkyard supplied the
      stockish  valve cover to run two classes lower.Presto, lotsa wins,
    and even a huge   Street Eiminator  Trophy at York in 1965.... "

> York, PA, four cars at a time, yikes !!!


      > BOBW

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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  5 08:54:19 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:54:19 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] modified street cars & your old drag strip
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 cheater  -- cheater  --  cheater !



c heers, ' Dirt Track Doug '




> From: BWANA343 at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:01:24 -0500

   Had a pal drove his Dad's 64 four door Chevelle, also Powerglide and  the
> Chevy 6. Two 6 motors that year, one w/ 120 hp, one w/ 150, I believe. Only
> external diff was chrome valve covers and a little chevron for the bigger HP
on
> the fender.

   " Minimal bod work removed the chevron, junkyard supplied the
      stockish  valve cover to run two classes lower.Presto, lotsa wins,
    and even a huge   Street Eiminator  Trophy at York in 1965.... "

> York, PA, four cars at a time, yikes !!!


      > BOBW

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From gary_ellen at msn.com  Wed Nov  5 09:16:02 2008
From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:16:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tom Bryant Report
Message-ID: <BLU146-DS22D032DE2C832EA8D29CAF91F0@phx.gbl>

Hi all, I have been asked to forward the following message:

Tom had bleeding on the brain which resulted in similar symptoms to a stroke.
He has had an operation and is in a rehabilitation facility and progressing
satisfactorily.  He wanted all his friends to know so they wouldn't worry
about him.

I don't have a whole lot more info.  Hopefully as Tom recovers we will hear
from him directly.
Gary & Ellen Wilkinson
Utah Salt Flats Racing Association
World of Speed Sept. 16 - 19, 2009
www.saltflats.com<http://www.saltflats.com/> -See you on the Salt!

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 10:14:00 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:14:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Tom Bryant Report
In-Reply-To: <BLU146-DS22D032DE2C832EA8D29CAF91F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <143137.70211.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Our prayers are with Tom and his family.  Here's to a speedy and full
recovery, Tom!
 
Dick & Gail J

--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Ellen Wilkinson <gary_ellen at msn.com> wrote:

From: Ellen Wilkinson <gary_ellen at msn.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Tom Bryant Report
To: "autox" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 10:16 AM

Hi all, I have been asked to forward the following message:

Tom had bleeding on the brain which resulted in similar symptoms to a stroke.
He has had an operation and is in a rehabilitation facility and progressing
satisfactorily.  He wanted all his friends to know so they wouldn't worry
about him.

I don't have a whole lot more info.  Hopefully as Tom recovers we will hear
from him directly.
Gary & Ellen Wilkinson
Utah Salt Flats Racing Association
World of Speed Sept. 16 - 19, 2009
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From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Wed Nov  5 14:07:06 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:07:06 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Tom Bryant Report
In-Reply-To: <BLU146-DS22D032DE2C832EA8D29CAF91F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU146-DS22D032DE2C832EA8D29CAF91F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <75CD5E9C-0752-4B82-9A6F-D8586440CDC9@nancyandjon.org>

On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Ellen Wilkinson wrote:

Hi all, I have been asked to forward the following message:

Tom had bleeding on the brain which resulted in similar symptoms to a  
stroke.
He has had an operation and is in a rehabilitation facility and  
progressing
satisfactorily.  He wanted all his friends to know so they wouldn't  
worry
about him.

I don't have a whole lot more info.  Hopefully as Tom recovers we will  
hear
from him directly.
Gary & Ellen Wilkinson





If it hasn't already been asked -- would someone please supply a  
mailing address so that we can send cards and other written well- 
wishes?  Nancy and I will, as usual, send on of our photo cards -- a  
Bonneville race scene -- so that Tom will have all that many more  
reminders of how much we think of him.  Let's cover his sickroom walls  
with race shots, hey?

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Wed Nov  5 14:15:17 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:15:17 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Tom Bryant Report
In-Reply-To: <75CD5E9C-0752-4B82-9A6F-D8586440CDC9@nancyandjon.org>
References: <BLU146-DS22D032DE2C832EA8D29CAF91F0@phx.gbl>
	<75CD5E9C-0752-4B82-9A6F-D8586440CDC9@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <48E54296-E79E-477F-8449-D88A04D840B9@nancyandjon.org>

On Nov 5, 2008, at 4:07 PM, Jon Wennerberg wrote:


If it hasn't already been asked -- would someone please supply a  
mailing address so that we can send cards and other written well- 
wishes?  Nancy and I will, as usual, send on of our photo cards -- a  
Bonneville race scene -- so that Tom will have all that many more  
reminders of how much we think of him.  Let's cover his sickroom walls  
with race shots, hey?


Okay -- I found this address on Tom's website.  It's apparently for  
the shop, but it'll probably work - at least until someone sends one  
for the house.

Tom Bryant
c/o Bryant Automotive
2354 Churn Creek Road
Redding CA 96002

Give it a try.

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  5 19:49:32 2008
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:49:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Electric Barstool Sets Record (Video)
Message-ID: <987450.24034.qm@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was lucky enough to be at the right place at the right time to video
the historic Salt Flats run of 51 mph (for a 2 way average of 49.972
mph!). Enjoy!

http://explodingdinosaurs.com/saltflats/2008/barstool
http://ExplodingDinosaurs.com

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Thu Nov  6 11:47:58 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:47:58 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tom Bryant update
Message-ID: <20BDC8B3377148DCACC86B067A8B94C8@Glens>

I just got off the phone with Tom's wife and at this time he is going through
PT  and doing much better. She said they hope he can come home tomorrow and
continue with the PT. As we all know this will take some time and Tom is a
tough old bird. He doesn't like being down and away from the action. I will
keep everyone updated when I hear.


Send him a card. Keep him in your prayers.

Glen

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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Fri Nov  7 08:43:00 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:43:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
References: <COL102-DS5285A4F79987511F266BDDF190@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AA916E8-433D-491A-A403-D4A4E67C8C57@comcast.net>

Not LSR!  It is interesting however.

Wes


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "JAN O HYDE" <JANOHYDE at msn.com>
> Date: November 7, 2008 6:40:40 AM MST
> To: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>,
> Subject: Fw: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
>
> JO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:39 AM
> Subject: Fw: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
>
>
> Subject: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIj2GVfua84&feature=related

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  8 13:33:55 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:33:55 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
In-Reply-To: <4AA916E8-433D-491A-A403-D4A4E67C8C57@comcast.net>
References: <COL102-DS5285A4F79987511F266BDDF190@phx.gbl>
	<4AA916E8-433D-491A-A403-D4A4E67C8C57@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W51A5A9B7D1BF40A09BA366D9180@phx.gbl>

   Hey,  whatdaya mean  'not LSR '   Wes????

    Rod Hadfield IS an LSR racer !

If memory serves, (often it don't anymore ...)
he ran a yellow Auzzie "Falcon" on the salt just a few years ago

-plus prolly lots of other stuff over the years,...



c heers, ' Dirt Track Doug '




> From: wester6935 at comcast.net
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:43:00 -0700
> Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
>
> Not LSR!  It is interesting however.
>
> Wes
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: "JAN O HYDE" <JANOHYDE at msn.com>
> > Date: November 7, 2008 6:40:40 AM MST
> > To: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>,
> > Subject: Fw: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
> >
> > JO




 Subject: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIj2GVfua84&feature=related

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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 15:21:20 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:21:20 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
Message-ID: <9281769682AE4ADEA95C9035DC6A3342@john>

EJ Potter's Allison/57 Plymouth was similar in layout but certainly in not 
quality .

Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet


> Not LSR!  It is interesting however.
>
> Wes
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "JAN O HYDE" <JANOHYDE at msn.com>
>> Date: November 7, 2008 6:40:40 AM MST
>> To: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>,
>> Subject: Fw: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
>>
>> JO
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:39 AM
>> Subject: Fw: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
>>
>>
>> Subject: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIj2GVfua84&feature=related
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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  8 15:25:06 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:25:06 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
In-Reply-To: <9281769682AE4ADEA95C9035DC6A3342@john>
References: <9281769682AE4ADEA95C9035DC6A3342@john>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W377AD4D4FE11A074A1AA88D9180@phx.gbl>

AH,  yes,      E.J. Potter ,  "The Michigan Madman"  !


c heers, ' Dirt Track Doug '



       -105 + miles south of the world famous 'Syracuse
Mile '
       -241.4  miles north of the Williams Grove Speedway pit entrance
       -2247  or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt
Flats

but never more than a few feet from a cold one          Cold Beer, Hot Blues,
and warm willin' wimin' our specialty,

             Speedway Bikes, Minibikes and Harley- D's rode with equal joy,
Dog Training,  Murdersickle Parts,  Emergency Airship repair, Hot air,
                  Aerial Surveillance, Corrupt Politicians exposed, and
Midgets, Sprint Cars

                              -and 'Slide Jobs'  truly appreciated  for the
FINE ART  that they are




> From: joyseydevil at comcast.net
> To: Land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:21:20 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fwd: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
>
> EJ Potter's Allison/57 Plymouth was similar in layout but certainly in not
> quality .
>
> Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Merlin V12 aircraft engine in a 55 Chevrolet
>
>
> > Not LSR!  It is interesting however.
> >
> > Wes


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From fourdoorshitbox at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  9 15:15:40 2008
From: fourdoorshitbox at hotmail.com (James Stewart)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:15:40 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Merlin in 55 Chev
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1226084403.5553.land-speed@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.15.1226084403.5553.land-speed@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <COL105-W72A7389BA2CC4378316AB8A41B0@phx.gbl>

That car was built by(I didn't check the clip but I'm sure it's the same one)
by Rod Hadfield member No 3 of the DLRA, one of many great things he's built ,
Twin 6/71 Model T , V12 Caddy motored pick-up,and lately a great HamBster

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From gary_ellen at msn.com  Mon Nov 10 10:07:06 2008
From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:07:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: 2008 BUB photobook is finished
Message-ID: <BLU146-DS45790394F919B4F991126F91A0@phx.gbl>

Since some of you race at Bub's event you may be interested and not know about
this book.  I have checked and Save the Salt does not have a track record or
any info on any contributions from this, yet.
Ellen




I wanted to let you know that I have  a created a photobook from the BUB
event. This is the third year that I have shot the event for magazines and I
really wanted to give a little back and thought this would be a great record
of the event.
HALF THE PROFITS FROM THE BOOK WILL BE DONATED TO SAVE THE SALT
Please spread the word and if anyone purchases one please let me know that you
think..
Thanks
Scooter
www.scootershoots.com<http://www.scootershoots.com/>

It's a book release, and you're invited -- check out my new book at Blurb:
http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/invited/292101/86152bae2d034fbb485997fd4e7c5f6
3<http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/invited/292101/86152bae2d034fbb485997fd4e7c5
f63>

Thank you,
Scooter

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Mon Nov 10 12:29:09 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:29:09 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: 2008 BUB photobook is finished
In-Reply-To: <BLU146-DS45790394F919B4F991126F91A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU146-DS45790394F919B4F991126F91A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C1705777309043329575150D2D1D81AE@DaveSatellite>

In all due respect Ellen possibly he has not turned a profit yet... First 
you have to pay the bills then it starts turning into profit other than the 
costs of advertising paying someone to pick ship deliver by whatever 
means... This is a lot different than a fixed amount per copy sold is 
donated and insures that the person that make the generous offer does not 
only lose money on the book and ends up contributing money that is not his 
to give away but to pay creditors.. Same deal with Newman's Own donating 
profits to charities.. if there is no profit there is no donation.. Pretty 
simple business 101 to protect the person making the donation from giving 
away proceeds that should be used to pay creditors.  Look at it this way if 
the offer was 1 dollar per copy and 20000 sold the most that would be given 
would be 20000 dollars. But is the break even is 20000 copies and the profit 
10 a copy.. then the donation 90000.. a wildly generous offer..obviously an 
incentive to give the book good reviews and help promote it. This might not 
be looked at as a selfish offer on the authors part but a smart move to keep 
him out of going potentially bankrupt trying to do something nice..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ellen Wilkinson" <gary_ellen at msn.com>
To: "autox" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:07 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: 2008 BUB photobook is finished


> Since some of you race at Bub's event you may be interested and not know 
> about
> this book.  I have checked and Save the Salt does not have a track record 
> or
> any info on any contributions from this, yet.
> Ellen
>
>
>
>
> I wanted to let you know that I have  a created a photobook from the BUB
> event. This is the third year that I have shot the event for magazines and 
> I
> really wanted to give a little back and thought this would be a great 
> record
> of the event.
> HALF THE PROFITS FROM THE BOOK WILL BE DONATED TO SAVE THE SALT
> Please spread the word and if anyone purchases one please let me know that 
> you
> think..
> Thanks
> Scooter
> www.scootershoots.com<http://www.scootershoots.com/>
>
> It's a book release, and you're invited -- check out my new book at Blurb:
> http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/invited/292101/86152bae2d034fbb485997fd4e7c5f6
> 3<http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/invited/292101/86152bae2d034fbb485997fd4e7c5
> f63>
>
> Thank you,
> Scooter

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Mon Nov 10 13:44:29 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:44:29 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: 2008 BUB photobook is finished
In-Reply-To: <C1705777309043329575150D2D1D81AE@DaveSatellite>
References: <BLU146-DS45790394F919B4F991126F91A0@phx.gbl>
	<C1705777309043329575150D2D1D81AE@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <20081110204416.631A018788B@autox.team.net>

Boy, I don't see how you got all that out of Ellen's note......... IMHO.

She said "yet".

Skip




At 11:29 AM 11/10/2008, Dave Dahlgren wrote:
>In all due respect Ellen possibly he has not turned a profit yet... 
>First you have to pay the bills then it starts turning into profit 
>other than the costs of advertising paying someone to pick ship 
>deliver by whatever means... This is a lot different than a fixed 
>amount per copy sold is donated and insures that the person that 
>make the generous offer does not only lose money on the book and 
>ends up contributing money that is not his to give away but to pay 
>creditors.. Same deal with Newman's Own donating profits to 
>charities.. if there is no profit there is no donation.. Pretty 
>simple business 101 to protect the person making the donation from 
>giving away proceeds that should be used to pay creditors.  Look at 
>it this way if the offer was 1 dollar per copy and 20000 sold the 
>most that would be given would be 20000 dollars. But is the break 
>even is 20000 copies and the profit 10 a copy.. then the donation 
>90000.. a wildly generous offer..obviously an incentive to give the 
>book good reviews and help promote it. This might not be looked at 
>as a selfish offer on the authors part but a smart move to keep him 
>out of going potentially bankrupt trying to do something nice..
>Dave
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Wilkinson" <gary_ellen at msn.com>
>To: "autox" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:07 PM
>Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: 2008 BUB photobook is finished
>
>
>>Since some of you race at Bub's event you may be interested and not 
>>know about
>>this book.  I have checked and Save the Salt does not have a track record or
>>any info on any contributions from this, yet.
>>Ellen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I wanted to let you know that I have  a created a photobook from the BUB
>>event. This is the third year that I have shot the event for magazines and I
>>really wanted to give a little back and thought this would be a great record
>>of the event.
>>HALF THE PROFITS FROM THE BOOK WILL BE DONATED TO SAVE THE SALT
>>Please spread the word and if anyone purchases one please let me 
>>know that you
>>think..
>>Thanks
>>Scooter
>>www.scootershoots.com<http://www.scootershoots.com/>
>>
>>It's a book release, and you're invited -- check out my new book at Blurb:
>>http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/invited/292101/86152bae2d034fbb485997fd4e7c5f6
>>3<http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/invited/292101/86152bae2d034fbb485997fd4e7c5> 
>>f63>
>>
>>Thank you,
>>Scooter
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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Mon Nov 10 13:54:47 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:54:47 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: 2008 BUB photobook is finished
In-Reply-To: <200811102044.mAAKiDqm008127@flpi098.prodigy.net>
References: <BLU146-DS45790394F919B4F991126F91A0@phx.gbl>
	<C1705777309043329575150D2D1D81AE@DaveSatellite>
	<200811102044.mAAKiDqm008127@flpi098.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <411A625976C24EC9A13A3FB131CD8490@DaveSatellite>

Skip in all due respect again I am assuming that the BUB meet referred to is 
the one for 08.. if so that is such a short time to turn a profit it is 
almost silly if a year after the event a suitable thing to bring to question 
in a public forum we are talking in what amounts to weeks since the event. 
For me the whole message reeked of distrust and possible false promises from 
someone that might have not been there done that and floated a business 
venture.. But I could be wildly wrong so who knows there..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren at snet.net>; "Ellen Wilkinson" 
<gary_ellen at msn.com>; "autox" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: 2008 BUB photobook is finished


>
> Boy, I don't see how you got all that out of Ellen's note......... IMHO.
>
> She said "yet".
>
> Skip

From gary_ellen at msn.com  Mon Nov 10 15:17:23 2008
From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:17:23 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: 2008 BUB photobook is finished
In-Reply-To: <411A625976C24EC9A13A3FB131CD8490@DaveSatellite>
References: <BLU146-DS45790394F919B4F991126F91A0@phx.gbl>
	<C1705777309043329575150D2D1D81AE@DaveSatellite>
	<200811102044.mAAKiDqm008127@flpi098.prodigy.net>
	<411A625976C24EC9A13A3FB131CD8490@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <BLU146-W26FBE436D1E365AFAD8DD7F91A0@phx.gbl>

In an effort to explain my intent ...You have no idea in the last few years
how many times all of us have heard that a certain portion will go to Save the
Salt, and Save the Salt hasn't seen a dime.  While we applaud these endeavors
and wish for this to happen, we are aware that sometimes expenses exceed the
desired income result.  I was passing the info along that the book was
available, my thoughts were that because I was passing this announcement along
I didn't want you to think that I had any more information than had been
provided and that shouldn't be your only reason to purchase this book.  I had
also checked to see if he had set up some sort of discussion with the Save the
Salt Officers and they were not aware of his intent.  Sometimes my fingers are
faster than my brain and I don't explore all the ways a statement can be
taken.  I certainly didn't want you to jump to what would be the most negative
aspect.  My intent then and now is simply to direct you to the
author/photographers web site, if you were at all interested in pictures from
the Bub event.  I hope this helps straighten out my intent.   Ellen Wilkinson
> From: ddahlgren at snet.net> To: gary_ellen at msn.com; land-speed at autox.team.net;
saltrat at pahrump.com> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: 2008 BUB photobook is
finished> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:54:47 -0500> > Skip in all due respect
again I am assuming that the BUB meet referred to is > the one for 08.. if so
that is such a short time to turn a profit it is > almost silly if a year
after the event a suitable thing to bring to question > in a public forum we
are talking in what amounts to weeks since the event. > For me the whole
message reeked of distrust and possible false promises from > someone that
might have not been there done that and floated a business > venture.. But I
could be wildly wrong so who knows there..> Dave> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>> To: "Dave Dahlgren"
<ddahlgren at snet.net>; "Ellen Wilkinson" > <gary_ellen at msn.com>; "autox"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 3:44 PM> Subject:
Re: [Land-speed] Fw: 2008 BUB photobook is finished> > > >> > Boy, I don't see
how you got all that out of Ellen's note......... IMHO.> >> > She said "yet".>
>> > Skip>

From ed at vetteracing.com  Mon Nov 10 19:25:37 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:25:37 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Mystery Tempest
Message-ID: <W7019625527167621226370337@webmail29>

Check out auction #  110306170567  on Ebay........ Is this a hoax or is it a real "vintage" racer??? I sure don't remember it.....

Ed Van Scoy
#128 B/GT Corvette
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Mon Nov 10 19:40:00 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:40:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Mystery Tempest
References: <W7019625527167621226370337@webmail29>
Message-ID: <49F5D74367484CB399E3962C11A9F947@Glens>

Ed, it's pocket change to you, should look great in your garage.
Glen
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Subject: [Land-speed] Mystery Tempest


> Check out auction #  110306170567  on Ebay........ Is this a hoax or is it 
> a real "vintage" racer??? I sure don't remember it.....
>
> Ed Van Scoy
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From ed at vetteracing.com  Mon Nov 10 19:46:24 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:46:24 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Mystery Tempest
Message-ID: <W715241840663091226371584@webmail9>

Actually Glen, it looks like some of my other "lawn art"........
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Glen Barrett [mailto:speedtimer at beyondbb.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 07:40 PM
To: 'Ed Van Scoy', 'Land-Speed List'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Mystery Tempest

Ed, it's pocket change to you, should look great in your garage. Glen -----
Original Message ----- From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Land-Speed List" Sent: Monday,
November 10, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Mystery Tempest > Check out
auction # 110306170567 on Ebay........ Is this a hoax or is it > a real
"vintage" racer??? I sure don't remember it..... > > Ed Van Scoy > #128 B/GT
Corvette > SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder >

From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 20:24:16 2008
From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:24:16 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Mystery Tempest
Message-ID: <111120080324.17100.4918FAE000023F2A000042CC22007507849C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net>

I believe the story is as advertized. The car was listed with a $500 opening bid and a $4K "Buy it now". 
"The aluminum nose might fetch as much as the car" says a knowledgeable pal who would've bid $100K he says, " It's a Million Dollar car". Go figure. BJ in Beantown

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Nov 10 23:37:42 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:37:42 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Mystery Tempest
In-Reply-To: <W7019625527167621226370337@webmail29>
References: <W7019625527167621226370337@webmail29>
Message-ID: <49192836.2050105@mayfco.com>

Jesus! Sold for $226 thou and change. It looked like someting that 
should have been crushed, lol. And what made it a Super Duty?  I saw no 
words on the car or did I misread something?  Not my cuppa tea, lol..

mayf
Ed Van Scoy wrote:

>Check out auction #  110306170567  on Ebay........ Is this a hoax or is it a real "vintage" racer??? I sure don't remember it.....
>
>Ed Van Scoy
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue Nov 11 11:30:01 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:30:01 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Eric Rickman
Message-ID: <D745AB09EAE348C2851FD894B2C1615C@Glens>

NHRA just announced that Eric Rickman has undergone open heart surgery and is
recovering in ICU. There is a article on www.nhra.com just posted.


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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Tue Nov 11 13:35:45 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:35:45 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] GM ??  Ford ??  Mopar ??
Message-ID: <4919ECA1.4090108@wildblue.net>

A friend gave me a book and said it would explain why the domestic
auto company's are in trouble.

The name; "On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors"  by John
De  Lorean

It seems simple to me.
Financial people can't run an Auto Company any better than they can
run Wall Street.
It seems like you need car people to do the job right.

Amazing!

Bryan

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Tue Nov 11 15:52:46 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:52:46 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
Message-ID: <c52.3dee3cd5.364b66be@aol.com>

Sometime between 7pm Oct 31 (Halloween) and Mon morning the 3rd, my race  car 
trailer was broken into and mostly looted while it was away at the shop on  
Long Island, NY, where a lot of work is done on it. I had planned on  picking 
up the trailer with #343 inside that day, Friday, and  the guys at  the shop 
had loaded my stuff back in to save time wen I got there. Only the car  was not 
in it, as I wanted to load it a different way to improve the space and  tow 
handling. I ended up being delayed and not able to get there until Monday  when 
we discovered  the break-in. It was locked up, but being a Aluminum  walled 
deal, turned out to be not that difficult to pop open a side door.
A little damage to the trailer, not enough to cover the $600 deductible. 
I was relieved of four tires on rims, two off, all my safety clothing  
including Fire Suit, Boots, Helmet, Nomex undies, head sock, and gloves. They  also 
got a Aluminum Jack and stands, an EZ up, all told over $4K in  accountable 
reportable stuff. 
I asked the County Mountie that responded about if they investigate the  
usual local suspects in cases like this and got the how busy the local PD  is 
talk. Not that I really thought it would be worth of an  investigation.
 
  The reason I bring this to this list is to share my experiences with  the 
Insurance  company in the claims process. It seems they have a new  policy of 
"holding back" 20% of anything over $500 to  insure that  claimants do indeed 
purchase replacements of equipt reported lost. A helmet at  $300 is under the 
$500, but the tires at over $500 a set were in this  catagory.They will send 
you the "held back" 20% on receipt of proof of purchase  of that item after you 
buy it. Initially the time period was quoted as six  months after the initial 
incident, but further calls seemed to lengthen this  period. 
 Sounds like rebates, we usually forget to send them in after the  purchase 
memory fades.
I don't know how long this policy has been in effect, I just though I'd  
share in case somebody out there has a similar experience.
Could be worse, could be the beginning of the season, or the day before I  
planned to leave for Maxton, or (shudder) Maine. 
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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Tue Nov 11 16:03:03 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:03:03 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] GM ??  Ford ??  Mopar ??
In-Reply-To: <4919ECA1.4090108@wildblue.net>
References: <4919ECA1.4090108@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <20081111230303.439AF1878C5@autox.team.net>

Bryan,

And Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, etc

You're probably right....we used to say that airplane people are 
needed to run airplane companies but yet the finance guys and gals 
ended up with the corporations. We can only pray that they are 
successful and the retirement benefits keep on coming.

Some of us are continually available to help them.

Skip










At 12:35 PM 11/11/2008, Bryan Savage wrote:
>A friend gave me a book and said it would explain why the domestic
>auto company's are in trouble.
>
>The name; "On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors"  by John
>De  Lorean
>
>It seems simple to me.
>Financial people can't run an Auto Company any better than they can
>run Wall Street.
>It seems like you need car people to do the job right.
>
>Amazing!
>
>Bryan
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From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Tue Nov 11 16:07:37 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:07:37 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
In-Reply-To: <c52.3dee3cd5.364b66be@aol.com>
References: <c52.3dee3cd5.364b66be@aol.com>
Message-ID: <29D7F146-C55F-493A-B8DB-2FAC4FB2E11F@nancyandjon.org>

On Nov 11, 2008, at 5:52 PM, BWANA343 at aol.com wrote:

Sometime between 7pm Oct 31 (Halloween) and Mon morning the 3rd, my  
race  car
trailer was broken into and mostly looted while it was away at the  
shop on
Long Island, NY,



Bob:

Major Bummer!  I'm sorry to hear of your loss.  Frustrating, isn't it  
-- the feeling of being violated.  I wish there was something that we  
could do for you for now.

Your comments on the insurance, though, are what brought me to write  
this.  I've used specialty insurance on my race bikes and the trailer  
-- but never put in a claim.  My trailer is (presently) insured  
through my auto-owners policy, but I've had coverage through  
Motorsports Ins (in the SCTA rulebook) -- and there it's "specified  
risk", where you tell them how much coverage you want for the race  
vehicle.  They also then provide coverage for the trailer, for tools,  
for darned near everything, like the t-shirts that we take along to  
sell, and so on.  I get to pay for everything, of course.

But I've never had to put in a claim.  My question -- is your  
insurance with one of these specialty companies, or through your  
regular insurance?

To the others that are reading this -- have any of you had experience  
with this sad event?  Can you answer some of the questions I've asked  
Bob?  Is there something we can ALL learn from his misfortune?

Regards,

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Tue Nov 11 16:09:25 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:09:25 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] GM ??  Ford ??  Mopar ??
Message-ID: <20081111230924.C57181878C5@autox.team.net>

Bryan,

And Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, etc

You're probably right....we used to say that airplane people are 
needed to run airplane companies but yet the finance guys and gals 
ended up with the corporations. We can only pray that they are 
successful and the retirement benefits keep on coming.

Some of us are continually available to help them.

Skip

From DAW1 at comcast.net  Tue Nov 11 16:18:50 2008
From: DAW1 at comcast.net (DAW1)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:18:50 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
In-Reply-To: <29D7F146-C55F-493A-B8DB-2FAC4FB2E11F@nancyandjon.org>
References: <c52.3dee3cd5.364b66be@aol.com>
	<29D7F146-C55F-493A-B8DB-2FAC4FB2E11F@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <147121FF189549E5A61BB38C1675EB74@SallyPC>

Sorry for your lose. I know someone that THOUGHT they had insurance on their 
trailer. Turned out it had to be attached to the tow rig in order to be 
covered. When they were on vacation and left the trailer chined to a pole at 
the motel it was NOT covered. That of course is when someone stole it. Be 
sure of what your policy says, not what your agent says. dw
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Wennerberg" <jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org>
To: <BWANA343 at aol.com>
Cc: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance


> On Nov 11, 2008, at 5:52 PM, BWANA343 at aol.com wrote:
>
> Sometime between 7pm Oct 31 (Halloween) and Mon morning the 3rd, my  race 
> car
> trailer was broken into and mostly looted while it was away at the  shop 
> on
> Long Island, NY,
>
>
>
> Bob:
>
> Major Bummer!  I'm sorry to hear of your loss.  Frustrating, isn't it  --  
> the feeling of being violated.  I wish there was something that we  could 
> do for you for now.
>
> Your comments on the insurance, though, are what brought me to write 
> this.  I've used specialty insurance on my race bikes and the trailer  --  
> but never put in a claim.  My trailer is (presently) insured  through my 
> auto-owners policy, but I've had coverage through  Motorsports Ins (in the 
> SCTA rulebook) -- and there it's "specified  risk", where you tell them 
> how much coverage you want for the race  vehicle.  They also then provide 
> coverage for the trailer, for tools,  for darned near everything, like the 
> t-shirts that we take along to  sell, and so on.  I get to pay for 
> everything, of course.
>
> But I've never had to put in a claim.  My question -- is your  insurance 
> with one of these specialty companies, or through your  regular insurance?
>
> To the others that are reading this -- have any of you had experience 
> with this sad event?  Can you answer some of the questions I've asked 
> Bob?  Is there something we can ALL learn from his misfortune?
>
> Regards,
>
>       Jon Wennerberg
> Tall guy with moustache
> and a pair of 2 Club hats
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Nov 11 16:32:32 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:32:32 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] GM ??  Ford ??  Mopar ??
In-Reply-To: <20081111230303.439AF1878C5@autox.team.net>
References: <4919ECA1.4090108@wildblue.net>
	<20081111230303.439AF1878C5@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <491A1610.7070905@mayfco.com>

There are pros and cons.  Most really good technical people have no more 
understanding of how to run a large corporation than the financial 
people know how to engineer or manufacture.  There are clearly 
exceptions. At Boeing, T.A. Wilson was one who excelled as an engineer 
and learned how to manage later. Phil Condit was a fine aerodynamicist 
and made it to CEO and wasn't worth spit running the company. Harry 
Stonecipher of MacDac  turned out to be much the same. Frank Schrontz a 
past CEO at Boeing was not a technical person yet learned how to deal 
with the technical side of things and was a respected CEO.  Too many 
people get promoted because they are part of the good ol boy system 
instead of being promoted for what they know. 

I am open to  Aerospace Management Consulting through my company, T-0 
Test Support Operations....  Bring your big checkbook as my  hourly 
rates are significant, lol....

But for you weinees, any motorsports consulting is free....( and worth 
every penny, lol)

mayf


Skip Higginbotham wrote:

> Bryan,
>
> And Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, etc
>
> You're probably right....we used to say that airplane people are 
> needed to run airplane companies but yet the finance guys and gals 
> ended up with the corporations. We can only pray that they are 
> successful and the retirement benefits keep on coming.
>
> Some of us are continually available to help them.
>
> Skip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 12:35 PM 11/11/2008, Bryan Savage wrote:
>
>> A friend gave me a book and said it would explain why the domestic
>> auto company's are in trouble.
>>
>> The name; "On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors"  by John
>> De  Lorean
>>
>> It seems simple to me.
>> Financial people can't run an Auto Company any better than they can
>> run Wall Street.
>> It seems like you need car people to do the job right.
>>
>> Amazing!
>>
>> Bryan
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue Nov 11 16:48:19 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:48:19 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] chat line tonight
Message-ID: <DDFCE9C4F4C34FCDBC28E5706E8CB281@Glens>

It's been pretty quiet for a couple of weeks, maybe we can perk it up tonight
www.landracing.com  @7:00pm mountain time

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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Tue Nov 11 16:51:32 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:51:32 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
Message-ID: <d0e.3ec077f1.364b7484@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/11/2008 6:08:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org writes:

My  question -- is your  
insurance with one of these specialty companies,  or through your  
regular insurance?
My trailer is part of auto ins coverage, contents are off premises home  
owners ins. 
Thankfully, the car was not involved.
I will submit an application through MIS for race car ins, maybe needed a  
little scare to provoke reality. 
In researching event coverage I also asked MIS about this, have all  the 
papers, never got around to  sending them in. 
As the initial personal violation reaction wore off, I learned  I'm correctly 
covered, just have to spend time getting all the required  info together 
I learn, I share, we all benefit....NEXT...
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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Tue Nov 11 17:06:40 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:06:40 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] Mystery Tempest
Message-ID: <cf8.46c73597.364b7810@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/11/2008 6:16:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
drmayf at mayfco.com writes:

Wasn't  your fire suit a /20 one? Any identifying features? Like maybe a 
serial  number on the fire suit?  Anything we left coasters can be 
looking  for should it meander this way?
Some homeless guy has the most expensive snow suit in LawnGuyLand  , or if i 
get lucky some motorhead will see him and turn him in. Same with  the helmet, 
FD and other personal stuff on it to be obvious. 
I hope he puts on the Nomex socks  and gets a rash, LOL. 
All is well, I'll let this list know if anything pertinent happens. I  figure 
it's pretty much a done deal at this point. There are a few places in the  
area I'll stop by next time I'm out there, just to satisfy my curiousity.
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From NT788 at comcast.net  Tue Nov 11 17:17:35 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:17:35 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] GM ??  Ford ??  Mopar ??
Message-ID: <111220080017.24997.491A209F00066B61000061A52215578674C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

The government runs auto companys! 
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bryan Savage <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
> A friend gave me a book and said it would explain why the domestic
> auto company's are in trouble.
> 
> The name; "On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors"  by John
> De  Lorean
> 
> It seems simple to me.
> Financial people can't run an Auto Company any better than they can
> run Wall Street.
> It seems like you need car people to do the job right.
> 
> Amazing!
> 
> Bryan
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From atrav at copper.net  Tue Nov 11 17:40:23 2008
From: atrav at copper.net (atrav)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:40:23 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
References: <d0e.3ec077f1.364b7484@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A936A0A754E8430C9531C08C0367C655@janeh4d5yz2mne>

Since I live in Florida, I've heard many insurance horror stories.
What I did was borrow a digital video camera, and made nearly two DVD's filming all my stuff. Just a 
basic walk around everything valuable and stealable, with me narrating, zooming in on any serial 
numbers, and making sure that everything gets on camera. There are so many tools and such that have 
no real identifying marks, nor do I have recipts or any real proof. So at least I can show the 
insurance goons or police that yes I really did own some pretty weird stuff. ;o)
Plus I don't want to be in the situation where I know something is missing from some obscure corner, 
but I can't think of what.

-Aron-

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Tue Nov 11 18:27:31 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:27:31 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] GM ??  Ford ??  Mopar ??
References: <111220080017.24997.491A209F00066B61000061A52215578674C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c94465$d8787b50$6501a8c0@S>

Actually the government did run the auto companies during WWII.  With the
Army and Harry Truman watching over them they sure produced a lot of tanks
and deuce and a halfs.
IMHO the problems with US auto companies today can be traced to the need to
show Wall Street a handsome profit every quarter and the inability of the
auto company managements to see anything beyond the "Corn Curtain".  They
are simply unable to plan anything beyond the new model development cycle
time.  Which coincidentally was about the same time that people would make
their payments to their finance divisions before trading in as well as the
length of the union contracts.   And note that the finance divisions were
the biggest profit centers.  All of which made it desireable to design cars
that would last only three years until they were traded in.
Ed Weldon

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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:17 PM
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> The government runs auto companys!
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Bryan Savage <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
> > A friend gave me a book and said it would explain why the domestic
> > auto company's are in trouble.
> >
> > The name; "On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors"  by John
> > De  Lorean
> >
> > It seems simple to me.
> > Financial people can't run an Auto Company any better than they can
> > run Wall Street.
> > It seems like you need car people to do the job right.
> >
> > Amazing!
> >
> > Bryan
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From ifixmgs at cox.net  Tue Nov 11 19:56:43 2008
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:56:43 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Mystery Tempest
In-Reply-To: <W715241840663091226371584@webmail9>
Message-ID: <20081111215643.ZX22K.84962.imail@eastrmwml34>

Interesting how every once in a while there just might be a diamond in a lump of coal.  The write up is so stilted that it seems almost contrived....        We had a bid of $99,999 posted on an NOS Lucas distributor for an MGTC  that I had listed on eBay with a buy now of $125, so I don't hold a lot of stock in whether that big-dollar  bid was met or not.   
I  found this on the pontiac forum:          http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89942
I stumbled onto another website that listed where all the super duty cars originally went and where they were last spotted, but I can't seem to backtrack to it.    

 


---- Ed Van Scoy <ed at vetteracing.com> wrote: 
> Actually Glen, it looks like some of my other "lawn art"........
> Ed

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Tue Nov 11 21:24:28 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:24:28 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] GM ??  Ford ??  Mopar ??
In-Reply-To: <491A1610.7070905@mayfco.com>
References: <4919ECA1.4090108@wildblue.net>
	<20081111230303.439AF1878C5@autox.team.net>
	<491A1610.7070905@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <491A5A7C.3010009@wildblue.net>

It's an old story, for some reason, Mayf.
I worked for IBM Corp. 1963-2001 and saw the same thing. all went well until
the '80's. From about '83 on, we would talk at lunch about the strange 
things the
company was doing. We couldn't understand why we were still making a profit.
We weren't!
What we didn't understand was the mass inertia (I don't know the correct 
term)
a Billion dollar company has.
Our CEO in the '80's solved that problem. IBM filed the largest in American
corporate history in 1992 of $4.92 Billion after a loss of $1.46 billion 
in 1992.
This from a company that 15 years earlier was criticized for having 
hundreds
of millions of cash on hand.

Guess what Mayf, that CEO was one of the good old boys!!!!

Through the rest of the '90's the company changed from one of the Fortune
magazine best to work for, to not even on the list. I retired 3-31-01, a 
year
and 3 months earlier than I had been planning for almost 40 years. I was
too spoiled to work there anymore. I was a political zoo.

Sorry for the rant ..
Bryan




drmayf wrote:
> There are pros and cons.  Most really good technical people have no 
> more understanding of how to run a large corporation than the 
> financial people know how to engineer or manufacture.  There are 
> clearly exceptions. At Boeing, T.A. Wilson was one who excelled as an 
> engineer and learned how to manage later. Phil Condit was a fine 
> aerodynamicist and made it to CEO and wasn't worth spit running the 
> company. Harry Stonecipher of MacDac  turned out to be much the same. 
> Frank Schrontz a past CEO at Boeing was not a technical person yet 
> learned how to deal with the technical side of things and was a 
> respected CEO.  Too many people get promoted because they are part of 
> the good ol boy system instead of being promoted for what they know.
> I am open to  Aerospace Management Consulting through my company, T-0 
> Test Support Operations....  Bring your big checkbook as my  hourly 
> rates are significant, lol....
>
> But for you weinees, any motorsports consulting is free....( and worth 
> every penny, lol)
>
> mayf

From saltfevr at q.com  Tue Nov 11 21:36:18 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:36:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Jocko Liner Mold on Ebay
Message-ID: <BAY122-W24B94DE0F53FDB8FAF01A6C9140@phx.gbl>

http://www.ebay.com

type this number in search: 140277020887  Located in Hawaii

Pork Pie Comments? Tom ShannonMagna, Utah

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Tue Nov 11 22:08:02 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:08:02 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] GM ??  Ford ??  Mopar ??
In-Reply-To: <000e01c94465$d8787b50$6501a8c0@S>
References: <111220080017.24997.491A209F00066B61000061A52215578674C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
	<000e01c94465$d8787b50$6501a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <491A64B2.7060705@wildblue.net>

There was a time when you had to make a good product to make money. That
is one of the basic concepts behind the saying "Let the Market Decide".
Today, the product that sells best has the biggest advertising budget. 
They do
the best job of making people buy their product which is made in China.
Current economist's are clueless. See "The Economist Has No Clothes"
in the April 2008 Scientific American:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-economist-has-no-clothes
Wall Street has been listening closely to the economist's and look where 
we are at.
It's no surprise.
Read the article and you'll understand.

Bryan





Ed Weldon wrote:
> Actually the government did run the auto companies during WWII.  With the
> Army and Harry Truman watching over them they sure produced a lot of tanks
> and deuce and a halfs.
> IMHO the problems with US auto companies today can be traced to the need to
> show Wall Street a handsome profit every quarter and the inability of the
> auto company managements to see anything beyond the "Corn Curtain".  They
> are simply unable to plan anything beyond the new model development cycle
> time.  Which coincidentally was about the same time that people would make
> their payments to their finance divisions before trading in as well as the
> length of the union contracts.   And note that the finance divisions were
> the biggest profit centers.  All of which made it desireable to design cars
> that would last only three years until they were traded in.
> Ed Weldon

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 12 08:04:17 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:04:17 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
Message-ID: <9221571.1226502258147.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

In 2004  my trailer was broken in while stored in a storage facility. Top tool box (bottom bolted to floor), jack, generator, and ez-up along with the new factory wheels from my Ford F-250 were taken. 

All the parts, nitro, and tires were were left untouched. 

Fire suit and safety gear is always kept in a suit case in the loft of my garage. Everything was covered under homeowners insurance minus the $500 deduct. If I would have had better locks you couldn't pinch with bolt cutters they would not have gotten in. 

You relly feel violated when this happens. Check your locks.............Good Luck

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Wed Nov 12 08:48:00 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:48:00 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] GM ??  Ford ??  Mopar ??
In-Reply-To: <491A64B2.7060705@wildblue.net>
References: <111220080017.24997.491A209F00066B61000061A52215578674C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
	<000e01c94465$d8787b50$6501a8c0@S> <491A64B2.7060705@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <20081112154759.C527218764E@autox.team.net>

Amazing that nobody has noted that paying $25/hr for $10/hr labor has 
an effect on the companies that are in trouble......regards 
advertising, correct Bryan, look at the election results and Japanese 
auto profits.
This "in my (not so humble) opinion".

Skip







t 09:08 PM 11/11/2008, Bryan Savage wrote:
>There was a time when you had to make a good product to make money. That
>is one of the basic concepts behind the saying "Let the Market Decide".
>Today, the product that sells best has the biggest advertising budget. They do
>the best job of making people buy their product which is made in China.
>Current economist's are clueless. See "The Economist Has No Clothes"
>in the April 2008 Scientific American:
>http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-economist-has-no-clothes
>Wall Street has been listening closely to the economist's and look 
>where we are at.
>It's no surprise.
>Read the article and you'll understand.
>
>Bryan

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Wed Nov 12 08:53:15 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:53:15 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
Message-ID: <d3e.3616eb1b.364c55eb@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/12/2008 10:04:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gmc6power at earthlink.net writes:

In  2004  my trailer was broken in while stored in a storage facility. Top  
tool box (bottom bolted to floor), jack, generator, and ez-up along with the  
new factory wheels from my Ford F-250 were taken. 

All the parts,  nitro, and tires were were left untouched. 

Fire suit and safety gear  is always kept in a suit case in the loft of my 
garage. Everything was covered  under homeowners insurance minus the $500 
deduct. If I would have had better  locks you couldn't pinch with bolt cutters they 
would not have gotten in.  

You relly feel violated when this happens. Check your  locks.............Good 
Luck
Basically the same deal with me, everything not bolted down walked away.  But 
they took tires and wheels, and did rip the elec  winch and 12V  battery off 
the floor, which was bolted down, probably used the ramps for  levers. They 
did leave those 10ft ramps, apparently couldn't get them out the  side doors.
Calling the Ins Co now, trying to get clarification on that "hold-back"  
deal. 
BOB W
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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Wed Nov 12 09:01:29 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:01:29 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] GM ??  Ford ??  Mopar ??
Message-ID: <20081112160127.409F518764E@autox.team.net>

Amazing that nobody has noted that paying $25/hr for $10/hr labor has 
an effect on the companies that are in trouble......regards 
advertising, correct Bryan, look at the election results and Japanese 
auto profits.
This "in my (not so humble) opinion".

Skip

From nt788 at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 09:31:21 2008
From: nt788 at comcast.net (nt788 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:31:21 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] GM ??  Ford ??  Mopar ??
Message-ID: <111220081631.13617.491B04D90006907B000035312215593414C8C8C99B02@comcast.net>

Skip  
Higher wages,=higher prices,=really big business=more tax revenue,=really big government=freedom, and a life style we deserve! 
Jack
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Skip Higginbotham <saltrat at pahrump.com>
> Amazing that nobody has noted that paying $25/hr for $10/hr labor has 
> an effect on the companies that are in trouble......regards 
> advertising, correct Bryan, look at the election results and Japanese 
> auto profits.
> This "in my (not so humble) opinion".
> 
> Skip
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From nt788 at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 09:31:39 2008
From: nt788 at comcast.net (nt788 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:31:39 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] GM ??  Ford ??  Mopar ??
Message-ID: <111220081631.14198.491B04EB0006492A000037762215593414C8C8C99B02@comcast.net>

Skip  
Higher wages,=higher prices,=really big business=more tax revenue,=really big government=freedom, and a life style we deserve! 
Jack
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Skip Higginbotham <saltrat at pahrump.com>
> Amazing that nobody has noted that paying $25/hr for $10/hr labor has 
> an effect on the companies that are in trouble......regards 
> advertising, correct Bryan, look at the election results and Japanese 
> auto profits.
> This "in my (not so humble) opinion".
> 
> Skip
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From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 12:24:42 2008
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:24:42 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Balancing Characteristics Of Motorcycle Engines
Message-ID: <111220081924.11450.491B2D7A0005E1E200002CBA22007503300101090E030906@comcast.net>

An interesting web page that I found concerning the balance characteristics of various motorcycle engines. 

http://dinamoto.it/DINAMOTO/on-line%20papers/twin%20motors/twin.html

JGMagoo

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Wed Nov 12 16:19:13 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:19:13 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
In-Reply-To: <d3e.3616eb1b.364c55eb@aol.com>
References: <d3e.3616eb1b.364c55eb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <491B6471.6000101@wildblue.net>

Some unpleasant basics we all tend to overlook.

Insurance company's take in your money so that they can pay their
expenses AND their Share Holders.
They do not take in our money to pay it out to US, unless they are
working very hard to go out of business.

The old rule (which I hate) applies here: "Let the Buyer be Ware".
Words don't mean S**T. If it isn't in writing, you will be dealing
with Harry Potter and the other Wizards.
The most important part is what isn't covered under some or all
circumstances. It's a giant pain in the but for me.

Remember, the reps don't get paid to give you money.

Too much negative crap today, by all,
Bryan

From gary_ellen at msn.com  Wed Nov 12 16:21:00 2008
From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:21:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sum Fun Roadster
In-Reply-To: <c73.3fc75d4b.364cb371@aol.com>
References: <c73.3fc75d4b.364cb371@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU146-W1A51D87B1F464016EABF6F9140@phx.gbl>

Just received the following info from Mary West, thought you'd all like to
know.Gary & Ellen Wilkinson Utah Salt Flats Racing Association World of Speed
Sept. 16 - 19, 2009 www.saltflats.com -See you on the Salt!


Chuck Salmen just called to say that the Sum Fun roadster had been sold.  I
didn't get the name of the buyer but Tom Walsh will be outfitting it for it's
runs on the Salt Flats and Justin Walsh is to be the driver.  This is so
exciting.  Chuck wanted all his friends to know the car will be back on the
salt.


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From NT788 at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 16:33:44 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:33:44 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
Message-ID: <111220082333.28457.491B67D8000510F000006F292215575114C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

Hey Bryan 
What you say is interesting, not negative crap! The computer is a great place to talk imponderables.
Jack
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bryan Savage <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
> Some unpleasant basics we all tend to overlook.
> 
> Insurance company's take in your money so that they can pay their
> expenses AND their Share Holders.
> They do not take in our money to pay it out to US, unless they are
> working very hard to go out of business.
> 
> The old rule (which I hate) applies here: "Let the Buyer be Ware".
> Words don't mean S**T. If it isn't in writing, you will be dealing
> with Harry Potter and the other Wizards.
> The most important part is what isn't covered under some or all
> circumstances. It's a giant pain in the but for me.
> 
> Remember, the reps don't get paid to give you money.
> 
> Too much negative crap today, by all,
> Bryan
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 17:25:49 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:25:49 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
Message-ID: <C5E17E82CCB84F309CD9F0E20D45EE8F@john>

A block of aluminum with  milled 2 slots in the form of a cross makes a 
padlock shackle inacsessible to a bolt cutter .

John 

From fourdoorshitbox at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 12 18:23:03 2008
From: fourdoorshitbox at hotmail.com (James Stewart)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:23:03 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance and the rebates......
In-Reply-To: <mailman.526.1226449065.3542.land-speed@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.526.1226449065.3542.land-speed@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <COL105-W523FE4FDB091B31E517CD5A4170@phx.gbl>

Hey I don't want to sound too cynical, but insurance is a bit like marriage ,
in more ways than you think.....for starters
1./ Inevitably it doesn't matter how much money you give them or how little
grief you cause them they'll eventually take you for granted.
2./They'll get tired of , er , "doing " you and will need to find stranger and
stranger ways in order to maintain their interest in even dealing with you.
3./Everything, everything, is your fault
4./In sickness and in health?........sorry but that was a pre-existing
condition which you hadn't divulged and frankly by even attempting to claim
you're committing a criminal act.......
> The reason I bring this to this list is to share my experiences with the >
Insurance company in the claims process. It seems they have a new policy of >
"holding back" 20% of anything over $500 to insure that claimants do indeed >
purchase replacements of equipt reported lost. A helmet at $300 is under the >
$500, but the tires at over $500 a set were in this catagory.They will send >
you the "held back" 20% on receipt of proof of purchase of that item after you
> buy it. Initially the time period was quoted as six months after the initial
> incident, but further calls seemed to lengthen this period. > Sounds like
rebates, we usually forget to send them in after the purchase > memory fades.>
I don't know how long this policy has been in effect, I just though I'd >
share in case somebody out there has a similar experience.> Could be worse,
could be the beginning of the season, or the day before I > planned to leave
for Maxton, or (shudder) Maine. > BOB W > > > >

From NT788 at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 18:35:00 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:35:00 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance and the rebates......
Message-ID: <111320080135.1374.491B8444000B64DE0000055E2215575114C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

Come on just send them more money, after all their doing it for you! Jack
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: James Stewart <fourdoorshitbox at hotmail.com>
> Hey I don't want to sound too cynical, but insurance is a bit like marriage ,
> in more ways than you think.....for starters
> 1./ Inevitably it doesn't matter how much money you give them or how little
> grief you cause them they'll eventually take you for granted.
> 2./They'll get tired of , er , "doing " you and will need to find stranger and
> stranger ways in order to maintain their interest in even dealing with you.
> 3./Everything, everything, is your fault
> 4./In sickness and in health?........sorry but that was a pre-existing
> condition which you hadn't divulged and frankly by even attempting to claim
> you're committing a criminal act.......
> > The reason I bring this to this list is to share my experiences with the >
> Insurance company in the claims process. It seems they have a new policy of >
> "holding back" 20% of anything over $500 to insure that claimants do indeed >
> purchase replacements of equipt reported lost. A helmet at $300 is under the >
> $500, but the tires at over $500 a set were in this catagory.They will send >
> you the "held back" 20% on receipt of proof of purchase of that item after you
> > buy it. Initially the time period was quoted as six months after the initial
> > incident, but further calls seemed to lengthen this period. > Sounds like
> rebates, we usually forget to send them in after the purchase > memory fades.>
> I don't know how long this policy has been in effect, I just though I'd >
> share in case somebody out there has a similar experience.> Could be worse,
> could be the beginning of the season, or the day before I > planned to leave
> for Maxton, or (shudder) Maine. > BOB W > > > >
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Nov 12 18:52:14 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:52:14 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
Message-ID: <491B884E.4090603@mayfco.com>

This is something I know all of you have wondered about. Lots of times.  
But, I stumble on this everytime.... During the big bang creation event, 
both matter and anti-matter were in abundance.  Anti-matter and matter 
anihilated each other on contact with great amounts of energy being 
released. Great Amounts! Everything that you can see in the heavens and 
earth to the edges of the universe no matter how far it extends is left 
over matter that was not consumed. ANd that was a teensy tiny fraction 
of  the matter used up in making energy. We see that the theory of 
relativity shows that matter can creat energy when it fissions or fuses. 
The question is...where in the hell did all that energy go?  It seems to 
me that the energy density of the universe should be tremendous. And 
available for use by us earthlings.....

Quiz tomorrow...

mayf

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Nov 12 18:58:41 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:58:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
References: <491B884E.4090603@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <5917486F69FD4E9BAADB4BBC73D06DB0@Glens>

Will this put us in a fuel class????
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:52 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...


> This is something I know all of you have wondered about. Lots of times.  
> But, I stumble on this everytime.... During the big bang creation event, 
> both matter and anti-matter were in abundance.  Anti-matter and matter 
> anihilated each other on contact with great amounts of energy being 
> released. Great Amounts! Everything that you can see in the heavens and 
> earth to the edges of the universe no matter how far it extends is left 
> over matter that was not consumed. ANd that was a teensy tiny fraction 
> of  the matter used up in making energy. We see that the theory of 
> relativity shows that matter can creat energy when it fissions or fuses. 
> The question is...where in the hell did all that energy go?  It seems to 
> me that the energy density of the universe should be tremendous. And 
> available for use by us earthlings.....
> 
> Quiz tomorrow...
> 
> mayf
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 12 18:59:35 2008
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:59:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
In-Reply-To: <491B884E.4090603@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <847184.83687.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Isn't this all covered in Carl Sagan's Cosmos?
 
DW

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:

From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:52 PM

This is something I know all of you have wondered about. Lots of times.  But,
I
stumble on this everytime.... During the big bang creation event, both matter
and anti-matter were in abundance.  Anti-matter and matter anihilated each
other
on contact with great amounts of energy being released. Great Amounts!
Everything that you can see in the heavens and earth to the edges of the
universe no matter how far it extends is left over matter that was not
consumed.
ANd that was a teensy tiny fraction of  the matter used up in making energy.
We
see that the theory of relativity shows that matter can creat energy when it
fissions or fuses. The question is...where in the hell did all that energy go?
It seems to me that the energy density of the universe should be tremendous.
And
available for use by us earthlings.....

Quiz tomorrow...

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From NT788 at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 19:04:22 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:04:22 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
Message-ID: <111320080204.9942.491B8B2600048E1B000026D62215575114C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

didn't somebody build a big high tower once?
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: dan warner <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
> Isn't this all covered in Carl Sagan's Cosmos?
>  
> DW
> 
> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:
> 
> From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:52 PM
> 
> This is something I know all of you have wondered about. Lots of times.  But,
> I
> stumble on this everytime.... During the big bang creation event, both matter
> and anti-matter were in abundance.  Anti-matter and matter anihilated each
> other
> on contact with great amounts of energy being released. Great Amounts!
> Everything that you can see in the heavens and earth to the edges of the
> universe no matter how far it extends is left over matter that was not
> consumed.
> ANd that was a teensy tiny fraction of  the matter used up in making energy.
> We
> see that the theory of relativity shows that matter can creat energy when it
> fissions or fuses. The question is...where in the hell did all that energy go?
> It seems to me that the energy density of the universe should be tremendous.
> And
> available for use by us earthlings.....
> 
> Quiz tomorrow...
> 
> mayf
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Nov 12 19:08:34 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:08:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
References: <847184.83687.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2CE0668BC6734924BBFE37C3F775B90B@Glens>

Ask FR

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dan warner" <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...


> Isn't this all covered in Carl Sagan's Cosmos?
>
> DW
>
> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:
>
> From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:52 PM
>
> This is something I know all of you have wondered about. Lots of times. 
> But,
> I
> stumble on this everytime.... During the big bang creation event, both 
> matter
> and anti-matter were in abundance.  Anti-matter and matter anihilated each
> other
> on contact with great amounts of energy being released. Great Amounts!
> Everything that you can see in the heavens and earth to the edges of the
> universe no matter how far it extends is left over matter that was not
> consumed.
> ANd that was a teensy tiny fraction of  the matter used up in making 
> energy.
> We
> see that the theory of relativity shows that matter can creat energy when 
> it
> fissions or fuses. The question is...where in the hell did all that energy 
> go?
> It seems to me that the energy density of the universe should be 
> tremendous.
> And
> available for use by us earthlings.....
>
> Quiz tomorrow...
>
> mayf
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From Joetimney at dol.net  Wed Nov 12 19:18:34 2008
From: Joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:18:34 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
In-Reply-To: <2CE0668BC6734924BBFE37C3F775B90B@Glens>
References: <847184.83687.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<2CE0668BC6734924BBFE37C3F775B90B@Glens>
Message-ID: <491B8E7A.5080302@dol.net>

Holy Shit...you guys are scaring me!!! Mayf...you started 
this!@$%*&)!^*(^$^!
joe

Glen Barrett wrote:
> Ask FR
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan warner" <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
> 
> 
>> Isn't this all covered in Carl Sagan's Cosmos?
>>
>> DW

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Nov 12 20:10:14 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:10:14 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
In-Reply-To: <491B8E7A.5080302@dol.net>
References: <847184.83687.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<2CE0668BC6734924BBFE37C3F775B90B@Glens> <491B8E7A.5080302@dol.net>
Message-ID: <491B9A96.2080802@mayfco.com>

As the infomercial says, "But wait....."

Seems that there is a hard connection between matter and gravity. So 
then if anti matter exists, and it does, does it have or generate anti 
gravity characteristics?  Is anti matter the key to humans getting off 
this mud ball? Does anti matter repel itself?  And does anti gravity 
exists in the universe or did it go away with the demise of antimatter? 

And then there is the gravity connection itself.... if matter was 
created in the big bang and what we have is leftovers, then consider 
that each and every particle is connected to every other particle in the 
entire universe by a gravity string.  Do you feel the tug .....

Now here is a trick part.... in the hearts of stars, fusion takes place. 
That is the destruction of matter to create energy. But does the 
destruction of the matter delinquish the total gravity density of the 
universe?  And since th matter that was converted to energy was 
connected to every other particle in the universe does the amount of 
gravity decrease by a like amount?

Now the meta physical... since neither matter nor energy can be 
destroyed, what happen to the electrical energy when we die? Does it 
convert itself to matter? If not, then is the total of all critters who 
live by using electical energy hanging around somewhere? ANd then where 
did that electrical energy come from that is within ourslves? We came 
from the fusionof egg and sperm and the amount of electrical energy in 
those two certainly does not equal the amount of electical energy within 
ourselves...

Wow, I better quit this...a lightning bolt may stike me...

quiz is cancelled..

mayf

Joe Timney wrote:

> Holy Shit...you guys are scaring me!!! Mayf...you started 
> this!@$%*&)!^*(^$^!
> joe
>
> Glen Barrett wrote:
>
>> Ask FR
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan warner" <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
>>
>>
>>> Isn't this all covered in Carl Sagan's Cosmos?
>>>
>>> DW
>>
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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Wed Nov 12 20:11:05 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:11:05 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
Message-ID: <d0f.3fc32c83.364cf4c9@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/12/2008 8:52:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
drmayf at mayfco.com writes:

The  question is...where in the hell did all that energy go?
Mine went away right around my 60th birthday, anything left is drained away  
by grandkids.
 
Nothing anti matters BOBW
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From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Wed Nov 12 20:10:19 2008
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:10:19 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
In-Reply-To: <491B8E7A.5080302@dol.net>
References: <847184.83687.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com><2CE0668BC6734924BBFE37C3F775B90B@Glens>
	<491B8E7A.5080302@dol.net>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20B418FDB@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

It's in the ether.....waiting to be tapped(that's why they called it the
ethernet)

Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder



-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Timney
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:19 PM
Cc: LSR
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...

Holy Shit...you guys are scaring me!!! Mayf...you started
this!@$%*&)!^*(^$^!
joe

Glen Barrett wrote:
> Ask FR
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan warner" <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
>
>
>> Isn't this all covered in Carl Sagan's Cosmos?
>>
>> DW
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Nov 12 20:12:40 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:12:40 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
In-Reply-To: <5917486F69FD4E9BAADB4BBC73D06DB0@Glens>
References: <491B884E.4090603@mayfco.com>
	<5917486F69FD4E9BAADB4BBC73D06DB0@Glens>
Message-ID: <491B9B28.6020207@mayfco.com>

Well, I suspect the omega class actually. Other than Otto....

mayf
Glen Barrett wrote:

> Will this put us in a fuel class????
> Glen
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:52 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
>
>
>> This is something I know all of you have wondered about. Lots of 
>> times.  But, I stumble on this everytime.... During the big bang 
>> creation event, both matter and anti-matter were in abundance.  
>> Anti-matter and matter anihilated each other on contact with great 
>> amounts of energy being released. Great Amounts! Everything that you 
>> can see in the heavens and earth to the edges of the universe no 
>> matter how far it extends is left over matter that was not consumed. 
>> ANd that was a teensy tiny fraction of  the matter used up in making 
>> energy. We see that the theory of relativity shows that matter can 
>> creat energy when it fissions or fuses. The question is...where in 
>> the hell did all that energy go?  It seems to me that the energy 
>> density of the universe should be tremendous. And available for use 
>> by us earthlings.....
>>
>> Quiz tomorrow...
>>
>> mayf
>> _______________________________________________

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Nov 12 20:15:37 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:15:37 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
In-Reply-To: <847184.83687.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <847184.83687.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <491B9BD9.2080808@mayfco.com>

Nah, Carl  was more into other off worldly things.  This is more Stephen 
Hawking   or Albert stuff...

How you gonna detect the use of anti matter fuel, Dan, huh, huh?  You 
will need a new kind of displacement pump for sure...

mayf
dan warner wrote:

> Isn't this all covered in Carl Sagan's Cosmos?
>  
> DW
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/12/08, drmayf /<drmayf at mayfco.com>/* wrote:
>
>     From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>     Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
>     To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>     Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:52 PM
>
>This is something I know all of you have wondered about. Lots of times.  But, I
>stumble on this everytime.... During the big bang creation event, both matter
>and anti-matter were in abundance.  Anti-matter and matter anihilated each other
>on contact with great amounts of energy being released. Great Amounts!
>Everything that you can see in the heavens and earth to the edges of the
>universe no matter how far it extends is left over matter that was not consumed.
>ANd that was a teensy tiny fraction of  the matter used up in making energy. We
>see that the theory of relativity shows that matter can creat energy when it
>fissions or fuses. The question is...where in the hell did all that energy go? 
>It seems to me that the energy density of the universe should be tremendous. And
>available for use by us earthlings.....
>
>Quiz tomorrow...
>
>mayf
>_______________________________________________

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Nov 12 20:17:06 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:17:06 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
In-Reply-To: <111320080204.9942.491B8B2600048E1B000026D62215575114C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
References: <111320080204.9942.491B8B2600048E1B000026D62215575114C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <491B9C32.2000107@mayfco.com>

Jack, I used to know a High Tower once... does that count?

mayf
NT788 at comcast.net wrote:

>didn't somebody build a big high tower once?
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: dan warner <dwarner230 at yahoo.com>
>  
>
>>Isn't this all covered in Carl Sagan's Cosmos?
>> 
>>DW
>>
>>--- On Wed, 11/12/08, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:
>>
>>From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>>Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
>>To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>>Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:52 PM
>>
>>This is something I know all of you have wondered about. Lots of times.  But,
>>I
>>stumble on this everytime.... During the big bang creation event, both matter
>>and anti-matter were in abundance.  Anti-matter and matter anihilated each
>>other
>>on contact with great amounts of energy being released. Great Amounts!
>>Everything that you can see in the heavens and earth to the edges of the
>>universe no matter how far it extends is left over matter that was not
>>consumed.
>>ANd that was a teensy tiny fraction of  the matter used up in making energy.
>>We
>>see that the theory of relativity shows that matter can creat energy when it
>>fissions or fuses. The question is...where in the hell did all that energy go?
>>It seems to me that the energy density of the universe should be tremendous.
>>And
>>available for use by us earthlings.....
>>
>>Quiz tomorrow...
>>
>>mayf
>>Land-speed mailing list
>>
>>You are subscribed as dwarner230 at yahoo.com

From jolylance at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 12 21:28:09 2008
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:28:09 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
References: <491B884E.4090603@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <004801c94548$420ed540$2101a8c0@WinXP>

mayf;

You're just not keeping up with quantum electrodynamics (LOL)

The energy is out there in the vacuum of space where virtual energetic 
particles pop in and out of existence. They create a force between two 
closely opposing plates called the Casimir Effect. But nobody has figured 
out how to make the Casimer Force unidirectional---if you can figure out how 
to do that we could go anywhere in the universe very fast without nitro or 
turbochargers.

The nanotechnology guys have to consider the Casimir Effect--maybe they can 
help.

Lance

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:52 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...


> This is something I know all of you have wondered about. Lots of times. 
> But, I stumble on this everytime.... During the big bang creation event, 
> both matter and anti-matter were in abundance.  Anti-matter and matter 
> anihilated each other on contact with great amounts of energy being 
> released. Great Amounts! Everything that you can see in the heavens and 
> earth to the edges of the universe no matter how far it extends is left 
> over matter that was not consumed. ANd that was a teensy tiny fraction of 
> the matter used up in making energy. We see that the theory of relativity 
> shows that matter can creat energy when it fissions or fuses. The question 
> is...where in the hell did all that energy go?  It seems to me that the 
> energy density of the universe should be tremendous. And available for use 
> by us earthlings.....
>
> Quiz tomorrow...
>
> mayf
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From jolylance at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 12 21:38:59 2008
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:38:59 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
References: <847184.83687.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com><2CE0668BC6734924BBFE37C3F775B90B@Glens>
	<491B8E7A.5080302@dol.net> <491B9A96.2080802@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c94549$c0377980$2101a8c0@WinXP>

No "gravity" is lost when matter is converted into energy.

Energy "creates" gravity just like matter does. The connection between 
energy and gravity is just as hard as the connection between matter and 
gravity.

Lance

PS--when you die your energy goes into Feng Shei and your widow uses it to 
rearrange the furniture




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "Joe Timney" <Joetimney at dol.net>
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...


> As the infomercial says, "But wait....."
>
> Seems that there is a hard connection between matter and gravity. So then 
> if anti matter exists, and it does, does it have or generate anti gravity 
> characteristics?  Is anti matter the key to humans getting off this mud 
> ball? Does anti matter repel itself?  And does anti gravity exists in the 
> universe or did it go away with the demise of antimatter?
> And then there is the gravity connection itself.... if matter was created 
> in the big bang and what we have is leftovers, then consider that each and 
> every particle is connected to every other particle in the entire universe 
> by a gravity string.  Do you feel the tug .....
>
> Now here is a trick part.... in the hearts of stars, fusion takes place. 
> That is the destruction of matter to create energy. But does the 
> destruction of the matter delinquish the total gravity density of the 
> universe?  And since th matter that was converted to energy was connected 
> to every other particle in the universe does the amount of gravity 
> decrease by a like amount?
>
> Now the meta physical... since neither matter nor energy can be destroyed, 
> what happen to the electrical energy when we die? Does it convert itself 
> to matter? If not, then is the total of all critters who live by using 
> electical energy hanging around somewhere? ANd then where did that 
> electrical energy come from that is within ourslves? We came from the 
> fusionof egg and sperm and the amount of electrical energy in those two 
> certainly does not equal the amount of electical energy within 
> ourselves...
>
> Wow, I better quit this...a lightning bolt may stike me...
>
> quiz is cancelled..
>
> mayf
>
> Joe Timney wrote:
>
>> Holy Shit...you guys are scaring me!!! Mayf...you started 
>> this!@$%*&)!^*(^$^!
>> joe

From nt788 at comcast.net  Wed Nov 12 22:55:48 2008
From: nt788 at comcast.net (nt788 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:55:48 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] stupid mistake
Message-ID: <111320080555.19272.491BC16400046AEB00004B482212020784C8C8C99B02@comcast.net>

my post --my sentiments exactly,    was an accident , its not my agenda at all! Sorry jack

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Nov 13 00:33:16 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:33:16 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
In-Reply-To: <491B8E7A.5080302@dol.net>
References: <847184.83687.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<2CE0668BC6734924BBFE37C3F775B90B@Glens> <491B8E7A.5080302@dol.net>
Message-ID: <491BD83C.6080409@mayfco.com>

 Ok, enough fun, back to work. At least I hopeI brought some levity to 
your day. And I really do think about things like that sometimes. Maybe 
even weirder, lol..

mayf

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Thu Nov 13 06:26:57 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 5:26:57 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
In-Reply-To: <491B9A96.2080802@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <20081113082657.BU98S.141713.imail@fed1rmwml44>

Mafy,   I think you should go back to expendingmore of your personal energy toward puting a bigger TURBO on the "Wantabe" so that it CAN!!!!!!

or other wise you are going to put our Brains in a worse lockdown than a fried ECU!!!!!  lol



---- drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote: 
> As the infomercial says, "But wait....."

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 09:09:57 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:09:57 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
References: <847184.83687.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com><2CE0668BC6734924BBFE37C3F775B90B@Glens><491B8E7A.5080302@dol.net>
	<491B9A96.2080802@mayfco.com> <004c01c94549$c0377980$2101a8c0@WinXP>
Message-ID: <001001c945aa$4a8ad860$6501a8c0@S>

A profound observation.........
Ed
BTW -- this morning I had a vision of one of Jon Wennerberg's porta-jons
with a sign on the door saying "Dark Matter found here"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joseph lance" <jolylance at earthlink.net>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; "Joe Timney" <Joetimney at dol.net>
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...


(snip)
> Lance
> PS--when you die your energy goes into Feng Shei and your widow uses it to
> rearrange the furniture

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Nov 13 09:42:16 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:42:16 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
In-Reply-To: <491B884E.4090603@mayfco.com>
References: <491B884E.4090603@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <91E4063F47E74E26B47D7A2D88FAD8E2@DBTech>

Mayf;

I knew Sebastian von Hoerner when I worked at NRAO back in Green Bank, WV
but he died a few years ago, unfortunately. He was a cosmologist and if
anyone would know the answer to your question, he would have known.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:52 PM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...

This is something I know all of you have wondered about. Lots of times.  
But, I stumble on this everytime.... During the big bang creation event, 
both matter and anti-matter were in abundance.  Anti-matter and matter 
anihilated each other on contact with great amounts of energy being 
released. Great Amounts! Everything that you can see in the heavens and 
earth to the edges of the universe no matter how far it extends is left 
over matter that was not consumed. ANd that was a teensy tiny fraction 
of  the matter used up in making energy. We see that the theory of 
relativity shows that matter can creat energy when it fissions or fuses. 
The question is...where in the hell did all that energy go?  It seems to 
me that the energy density of the universe should be tremendous. And 
available for use by us earthlings.....

Quiz tomorrow...

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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Thu Nov 13 14:10:47 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:10:47 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance, Pt II
Message-ID: <bef.36964d51.364df1d7@aol.com>

Got through to Ins Co rep, asked about the "hold-back" deal.
I was directed to a endorsement update, apparently in my policy since 1999  
that mostly described this procedure. It read;
"If the cost to repair or replace the described property is more than $500,  
we will pay no more than the actual cash value for the loss until the actual  
repair or replacement is completed.
You may make claim for loss on an actual cash value basis and then make  
claim for additional  liability in accordance with this endorsement  provided you 
notify us within 180 days after the date of loss"
I cajoled and schmoozed and she got back later and said based on her  
research she quoted an amount she felt was reasonable .Basically took my  $500 
deductible off the top and held back the 20% on about two thirds of the  remainder 
to arrive at the figure she arrived at, which was way higher than I  thought it 
would be.
Considering I only had proof of purchase on half of the stuff stolen, this  
isn't a bad deal, I think. 
She did allow that if I contact her within that 180 day period, she'd  extend 
it practically indefinitely to allow me to make replacement  purchases when I 
need to, especially considering LSR for me is mostly after 180  days from now.
I like my Ins Co, never had a problem with them in the over 25 years I've  
been with them. We all know the little dance we do , especially in Auto fender  
benders, to cover the deductible , or in some cases actually commit fraud to  
battle a Ins Co agent who fights every claim and treats everybody like they 
are  out to make a profit on an accident or theft. I've never had that problem 
since  I've had this Company. Your mileage may vary,obviously.
Thanks to all who either offered advice or gave condolences, it's all only  
stuff..
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From jpszalay01 at insightbb.com  Thu Nov 13 14:54:25 2008
From: jpszalay01 at insightbb.com (John Szalay)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:54:25 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
References: <c52.3dee3cd5.364b66be@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C87A9D31C6624FD187FCDB75BEB9C9CC@531W>

--------------------------------------------------
From: <BWANA343 at aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:52 PM
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance

> Sometime between 7pm Oct 31 (Halloween) and Mon morning the 3rd, my race 
> car
> trailer was broken into and mostly looted while it was away at the shop on
> Long Island, NY, where a lot of work is done on it. I had planned on 
> picking
> up the trailer with #343 inside that day,


 Same thing happened to the Kimmel racing family (ARCA),

Updated: Sep 13, 2008 10:04 PM EDT

CLARKSVILLE, IN  - A southern Indiana family, well known on the ARCA racing 
circuit,
 were the victims of theft Friday afternoon.
The Kimmel family says several items, including racer Will Kimmel's helmet, 
uniform
and other racing equipment, were stolen from their warehouse in the 200 
block of
 W. Lewis and Clark Parkway in Clarksville.

Will Kimmel says the items are so customized, so he is not sure why anyone 
would take them.

"I don't know what they are going to do with it. My helmet is hand-painted, 
it's airbrushed and
everything it says 'Kimmel.' It's silver and orange, my uniform's got my 
name on it, Frank's has
his name on it. I have no idea what they'll do with it,"

according to the police,  his Hans device was included in the items taken..

From DAW1 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 13 15:15:49 2008
From: DAW1 at comcast.net (DAW1)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:15:49 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance, Pt II
In-Reply-To: <bef.36964d51.364df1d7@aol.com>
References: <bef.36964d51.364df1d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <51D8BB44E23E4812B7C5F26F7566FE50@SallyPC>

Yes Bob, but it was YOUR stuff! The bastards need to rot in hell for taking 
it! dw
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BWANA343 at aol.com>
To: <ifixmgs at cox.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:10 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance, Pt II


> Got through to Ins Co rep, asked about the "hold-back" deal.
> I was directed to a endorsement update, apparently in my policy since 1999
> that mostly described this procedure. It read;
> "If the cost to repair or replace the described property is more than 
> $500,
> we will pay no more than the actual cash value for the loss until the 
> actual
> repair or replacement is completed.
> You may make claim for loss on an actual cash value basis and then make
> claim for additional  liability in accordance with this endorsement 
> provided you
> notify us within 180 days after the date of loss"
> I cajoled and schmoozed and she got back later and said based on her
> research she quoted an amount she felt was reasonable .Basically took my 
> $500
> deductible off the top and held back the 20% on about two thirds of the 
> remainder
> to arrive at the figure she arrived at, which was way higher than I 
> thought it
> would be.
> Considering I only had proof of purchase on half of the stuff stolen, this
> isn't a bad deal, I think.
> She did allow that if I contact her within that 180 day period, she'd 
> extend
> it practically indefinitely to allow me to make replacement  purchases 
> when I
> need to, especially considering LSR for me is mostly after 180  days from 
> now.
> I like my Ins Co, never had a problem with them in the over 25 years I've
> been with them. We all know the little dance we do , especially in Auto 
> fender
> benders, to cover the deductible , or in some cases actually commit fraud 
> to
> battle a Ins Co agent who fights every claim and treats everybody like 
> they
> are  out to make a profit on an accident or theft. I've never had that 
> problem
> since  I've had this Company. Your mileage may vary,obviously.
> Thanks to all who either offered advice or gave condolences, it's all only
> stuff..
> BOB W...."nothing anti matters"
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From yesford at clear.net.nz  Thu Nov 13 15:27:33 2008
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:27:33 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
References: <111320080204.9942.491B8B2600048E1B000026D62215575114C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6999F8C0691640BE83288BAAAC2FF1F7@ChrisHarrisPC>

> didn't somebody build a big high tower once?

That would be Nicola Tesla, Jack, and the 'Wardenclyffe Tower built, but 
never completed,  on Long Island in the early 1900's. He'd demonstrated the 
wireless transmission of an electrical current I believe.
Clever bloke who died totally broke. Was also the developer of the 
alternating current principle.

Chris Harris.......................NZed.

From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Nov 13 16:50:40 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:50:40 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
References: <c52.3dee3cd5.364b66be@aol.com>
	<C87A9D31C6624FD187FCDB75BEB9C9CC@531W>
Message-ID: <005201c945ea$a320f640$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

I've said more than once, I'm sure I would go to jail for beatin someone to 
death for messin with my children or grand kids. I'm not sure I would go 
that far with someone I caught looting my shop but it might be close. 
Doug in big ditch
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Szalay" <jpszalay01 at insightbb.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance


> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <BWANA343 at aol.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:52 PM
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance
>
>> Sometime between 7pm Oct 31 (Halloween) and Mon morning the 3rd, my race 
>> car
>> trailer was broken into and mostly looted while it was away at the shop 
>> on
>> Long Island, NY, where a lot of work is done on it. I had planned on 
>> picking
>> up the trailer with #343 inside that day,
>
>
> Same thing happened to the Kimmel racing family (ARCA),
>
> Updated: Sep 13, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
>
> CLARKSVILLE, IN  - A southern Indiana family, well known on the ARCA 
> racing circuit,
> were the victims of theft Friday afternoon.
> The Kimmel family says several items, including racer Will Kimmel's 
> helmet, uniform
> and other racing equipment, were stolen from their warehouse in the 200 
> block of
> W. Lewis and Clark Parkway in Clarksville.
>
> Will Kimmel says the items are so customized, so he is not sure why anyone 
> would take them.
>
> "I don't know what they are going to do with it. My helmet is 
> hand-painted, it's airbrushed and
> everything it says 'Kimmel.' It's silver and orange, my uniform's got my 
> name on it, Frank's has
> his name on it. I have no idea what they'll do with it,"
>
> according to the police,  his Hans device was included in the items 
> taken..

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Nov 13 17:48:44 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:48:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
In-Reply-To: <6999F8C0691640BE83288BAAAC2FF1F7@ChrisHarrisPC>
References: <111320080204.9942.491B8B2600048E1B000026D62215575114C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
	<6999F8C0691640BE83288BAAAC2FF1F7@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <1287F0F2C25743BEA54F47B93ACF18E8@DBTech>

Chris;

I think that reference might have been to the Biblical "Tower of Babel". 

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Harris
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:28 PM
To: NT788 at comcast.net; dwarner230 at yahoo.com; LSR; drmayf at mayfco.com
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...

> didn't somebody build a big high tower once?

That would be Nicola Tesla, Jack, and the 'Wardenclyffe Tower built, but 
never completed,  on Long Island in the early 1900's. He'd demonstrated the 
wireless transmission of an electrical current I believe.
Clever bloke who died totally broke. Was also the developer of the 
alternating current principle.

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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Thu Nov 13 20:25:40 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:25:40 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] Theft Insurance,
 Response from (sigh) 30 years  of experience
Message-ID: <c59.3d82b818.364e49b4@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/13/2008 9:22:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
dmirror3 at yahoo.com writes:

I  suggest that you utilize the replacement option provided to you in your  
policy. An insurance policy is a contract issued between two parties, and the  
consumer should utilize every option as much as does the insurance company.  
There is no fraud in collecting what is legally entitled to  you.
I accepted their pointing out the the wordage in the policy, I can work  with 
the replacement option. 


Your  statement that the insurance company trusted your detailed list of 
items lost  is part of their gamble. When the insurance company received your list 
of  items lost, they considered that list a Sworn Statement of Loss, a legal 
oath  so to speak, that you owned and lost said items. If fraud was suspected 
by the  insurance company, the Statement of Loss would be used as evidence 
against  you. I suspect that the list was delivered to you and returned as 
requested,  via US Mail. Fraud using the US Mail becomes a Federal Crime. 
Actually all the non telephone correspondence has been via Fax, don't know  
what my liability is in that medium. I checked and found they already contacted 
 some of the vendors I purchased from to verify prices. 
As in any other dealing, I only want to know what the rules are when we  
start and  don't expect changes at half time with out notice. That was my  point. 
Thanks for "coming out", I appreciate your input..This  list IS The Best .
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From yesford at clear.net.nz  Thu Nov 13 20:39:34 2008
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:39:34 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Change of Pace in Subjects...
References: <111320080204.9942.491B8B2600048E1B000026D62215575114C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
	<6999F8C0691640BE83288BAAAC2FF1F7@ChrisHarrisPC>
	<1287F0F2C25743BEA54F47B93ACF18E8@DBTech>
Message-ID: <BF11248FB3E94184A0E559F6BEBBFF76@ChrisHarrisPC>

Or 'Ivory Tower' perhaps Neil !
Chris H.

> Chris;
>
> I think that reference might have been to the Biblical "Tower of Babel".
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
>
>> didn't somebody build a big high tower once?
>
> That would be Nicola Tesla, Jack, and the 'Wardenclyffe Tower built, but
> never completed,  on Long Island in the early 1900's. He'd demonstrated 
> the
> wireless transmission of an electrical current I believe.
> Clever bloke who died totally broke. Was also the developer of the
> alternating current principle.
>
> Chris Harris.......................NZed.

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri Nov 14 16:15:27 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:15:27 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Passings
Message-ID: <25FC7DBFB2A14BC7B0C5EB1435327FA5@Glens>

----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Barrett
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:32 PM
Subject: Passings


Jack Engle, (Engle Cams) early lakes racer Member of the Low Flyers Hot Rod
club of Santa Monica,
Ran a McCulloch-blown Cragar/Model T on A-Rails his own cam, Ran 113 mph at El
Mirage in 1939.

Robert "Jocko" Johnson, Jocko's porting service, race car and body designer
and builder. Helped many lakes and drag racers for over 50 years.

Services for both are pending.

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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 14 21:14:12 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:14:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] How's Tom Doing?
Message-ID: <575331.73647.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Anybody got an update on Tom Bryant?
 
DickJ
In East Texas

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 14 21:26:21 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:26:21 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] How's Tom Doing?
In-Reply-To: <575331.73647.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <575331.73647.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W21961CA74D7AA8A1323B50D9110@phx.gbl>

        yeah  -anybody ?
       - Dirt Track Doug '



       -105 + miles south of the world famous 'Syracuse
Mile '
       -241.4  miles north of the Williams Grove Speedway pit entrance
       -2247  or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt
Flats

but never more than a few feet from a cold one
======================================================================


> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:14:12 -0800
> From: lsr_man at yahoo.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] How's Tom Doing?
>
> Anybody got an update on Tom Bryant?
>
> DickJ
> In East Texas

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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat Nov 15 13:15:34 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:15:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] How's Tom Doing?
References: <575331.73647.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY135-W21961CA74D7AA8A1323B50D9110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B1BC8B18737040EF971B35E82E44E40F@Glens>

Tom is home and doing much better, has PT etc. He was on line the other day.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Anderson" <boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] How's Tom Doing?


>        yeah  -anybody ?
>       - Dirt Track Doug '
>
>
>
>       -105 + miles south of the world famous 'Syracuse
> Mile '
>       -241.4  miles north of the Williams Grove Speedway pit entrance
>       -2247  or so miles due east of the marvelous Bonneville Salt
> Flats
>
> but never more than a few feet from a cold one
> ======================================================================
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:14:12 -0800
>> From: lsr_man at yahoo.com
>> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Land-speed] How's Tom Doing?
>>
>> Anybody got an update on Tom Bryant?
>>
>> DickJ
>> In East Texas
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Nov 16 16:09:41 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:09:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Passings
In-Reply-To: <25FC7DBFB2A14BC7B0C5EB1435327FA5@Glens>
References: <25FC7DBFB2A14BC7B0C5EB1435327FA5@Glens>
Message-ID: <9A2522277A194BC38C62C445F4AE2B7E@DBTech>

Two very well- known names in the hot rod field. RIP, fellows.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

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Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:15 PM
To: landspeed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Passings

----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Barrett
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:32 PM
Subject: Passings


Jack Engle, (Engle Cams) early lakes racer Member of the Low Flyers Hot Rod
club of Santa Monica,
Ran a McCulloch-blown Cragar/Model T on A-Rails his own cam, Ran 113 mph at
El
Mirage in 1939.

Robert "Jocko" Johnson, Jocko's porting service, race car and body designer
and builder. Helped many lakes and drag racers for over 50 years.

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From: mactem at mebtel.net (David A)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:38:34 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] non LSR  aiarplane video
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A friend sent me this video.  I thought the flyers out there would be 
impressed.
David
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From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Mon Nov 17 06:45:14 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:45:14 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
Message-ID: <47D76EAF-8182-4B1A-B35F-4D5607180134@nancyandjon.org>

I posted this on the landracing.com forum -- and I'll try it here,  
too, to see if there's a good answer to the quandary.

"I've got this nagging thought about the size of the contact patch -  
maybe someone will tell me if it's right or wrong.

That is, the contact patch -- the number of square inches of tire  
that's contacting the ground -- would be a function of tire pressure  
and the weight that's on those square inches.  As an example:  40 psi  
and 1000 pounds would need 25 square inches of contact patch.  A five  
inch wide tire would need to have five inches on the surface -- a ten  
inch wide tire would need 2 1/2 inches.  The weight/pressure would  
dictate the amount of rubber in contact with the ground, not the width  
of the tire.  Want more contact patch?  Run lower tire pressures, not  
different tire sizes.

Okay -- that's the math.  If it's not the way it really works -- why  
not?"



       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From jdincau at qnet.com  Mon Nov 17 08:10:55 2008
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:10:55 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
In-Reply-To: <47D76EAF-8182-4B1A-B35F-4D5607180134@nancyandjon.org>
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Jon,
      That's just how it works. Lower tire pressure equals more traction and 
more compliant suspension (sidewall flex). The down side is more tire 
distortion and heat build up. That is why some venues (mostly circle track) 
have minimum tire pressure rules to keep crew chiefs from being too brave 
getting the balance of the setup right. Since we in LSR depend on tire 
pressure to keep the beads seated and heat build up to a minimum I don't 
think it is a tuning option.
Jim in Palmdale

From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon Nov 17 13:46:07 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:46:07 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
In-Reply-To: <47D76EAF-8182-4B1A-B35F-4D5607180134@nancyandjon.org>
References: <47D76EAF-8182-4B1A-B35F-4D5607180134@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <69713998A6A84B8D8890DE01B29547BB@DBTech>

That works great for sand rails but on an LSR car it might lead to
catastrophic tire failure. As the tire flexes as it rotates, the carcass
generates heat and it gets worse as the speed increases. 

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jon Wennerberg
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:45 AM
To: autox List
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size

I posted this on the landracing.com forum -- and I'll try it here,  
too, to see if there's a good answer to the quandary.

"I've got this nagging thought about the size of the contact patch -  
maybe someone will tell me if it's right or wrong.

That is, the contact patch -- the number of square inches of tire  
that's contacting the ground -- would be a function of tire pressure  
and the weight that's on those square inches.  As an example:  40 psi  
and 1000 pounds would need 25 square inches of contact patch.  A five  
inch wide tire would need to have five inches on the surface -- a ten  
inch wide tire would need 2 1/2 inches.  The weight/pressure would  
dictate the amount of rubber in contact with the ground, not the width  
of the tire.  Want more contact patch?  Run lower tire pressures, not  
different tire sizes.

Okay -- that's the math.  If it's not the way it really works -- why  
not?"



       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 14:23:43 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:23:43 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
Message-ID: <0265F5D0D5AA4CB186556E5F9B98763A@dim8100>

It can't be as simple as that. I'm not an engineer but it has to do with the
way load members reacting to a force. My guess tire construction has more to
do with it. Radial vs. bias ply geometry distributes load differently.
Nylon, Kevlar, steel fibers, all react to stress in a different way. Then
you are forgetting surface. Take the identical tire and pressure and place
it on sand, concrete, and snow. Obviously, the patch size will vary with the
surface medium. You did say 'patch' and that means the amount of surface in
contact. So 'function' is not as simple as pressure in my book. -Elon



From: Jon Wennerberg

That is, the contact patch -- the number of square inches of tire

that's contacting the ground -- would be a function of tire pressure

and the weight that's on those square inches.

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Mon Nov 17 14:59:49 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:59:49 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
In-Reply-To: <0265F5D0D5AA4CB186556E5F9B98763A@dim8100>
References: <0265F5D0D5AA4CB186556E5F9B98763A@dim8100>
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Elon,

Please explain to me how patch size "obviously" varies with surface 
medium. I assume here that you are not talking about mud. We don't 
run on mud, snow or sand.

Also, when most of us talk about pressure and it's effects, we assume 
that the tire is designed for the actual load, high speed (200+) and 
high pressure (75 psi+).

I do know that at Bonneville, lower tire pressures permit flex and 
heat generation and in so doing, use up horsepower. An increase in 
tire pressure reduces heat and HP loss (reduces patch size) and 
usually increases speed. Traction is also usually increased due to 
higher patch pressure (the reason that drag slicks/other wide tires 
are not effective).

Skip



At 01:23 PM 11/17/2008, Elon wrote:
>It can't be as simple as that. I'm not an engineer but it has to do with the
>way load members reacting to a force. My guess tire construction has more to
>do with it. Radial vs. bias ply geometry distributes load differently.
>Nylon, Kevlar, steel fibers, all react to stress in a different way. Then
>you are forgetting surface. Take the identical tire and pressure and place
>it on sand, concrete, and snow. Obviously, the patch size will vary with the
>surface medium. You did say 'patch' and that means the amount of surface in
>contact. So 'function' is not as simple as pressure in my book. -Elon
>
>
>
>From: Jon Wennerberg
>
>That is, the contact patch -- the number of square inches of tire
>
>that's contacting the ground -- would be a function of tire pressure
>
>and the weight that's on those square inches.
>_______________________________________________

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Mon Nov 17 15:20:26 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:20:26 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
In-Reply-To: <69713998A6A84B8D8890DE01B29547BB@DBTech>
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On Nov 17, 2008, at 3:46 PM, <neil at dbelltech.com> <neil at dbelltech.com>  
wrote:

That works great for sand rails but on an LSR car it might lead to
catastrophic tire failure. As the tire flexes as it rotates, the carcass
generates heat and it gets worse as the speed increases.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ





	Neil and all the rest of you:

Good - lots of responses.  First of all -- I want a very simple  
contact patch -- one that doesn't include things such as sand or snow  
where the surface material might get up and between bits of the tread  
pattern.  I'm talking about flat rubber contacting flat surface (be  
that pavement or salt or ice).

I'm also disregarding the concept of traction that's available (ice is  
slippery compared to concrete compared to salt, etc).  I'm only  
talking square inches contacting a flat surface.

I hope you understand that I realize that a softer tire will likely  
flex more and thereby will probably generate more heat.  I don't care  
about that in this argument -- I only want to talk about the absolute  
size of the contact patch.

Different tire materials are also irrelevant -- in that it'll take  
just as many square inches of air-inflated rubber as it will air- 
inflated nylon or Kevlar or whatever.  A hard tire (concrete or wood,  
for example) would not flex and therefore isn't of interest here.

I will say that Mayf's comments is good -- that is, a high pressure  
inside the tire will translate to high pressure between the tire and  
the surface, and that can be assumed to offer an opportunity for  
higher traction.  And also -- narrow can be better for traction for  
hydroplaning, of course -- just like it is when driving in snow ("cut  
through the water/snow rather than float over it").

Back to you. . .

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From dlodom at charter.net  Mon Nov 17 16:58:30 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:58:30 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
References: <47D76EAF-8182-4B1A-B35F-4D5607180134@nancyandjon.org><69713998A6A84B8D8890DE01B29547BB@DBTech>
	<2A6BCDD1-1620-4D2D-9D26-247FA983F995@nancyandjon.org>
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Jon, Anytime you are thinking or talking about race tires first you have to 
understand. It makes all the difference in the world if you are talking 
about a radial tire or a bias belted tire. Having spent many days in the 
shop with a car on four scales, changing tire pressure and sizes and load 
and having been on many stock car tire tests with Goodyear and a lot more 
with the old Firestone stock car tire I can tell you most of the time what 
works with radial tires makes bias worse handling. What you see and hear on 
the TV at the nascar races in no way will work on LSR tires. They change air 
pressure to change the spring rate of that corner of the car. Changing 2 
lbs. of air in a radial will not change the foot print very much at all but 
it will change the spring rate a bunch. You would not even feel it in a 
straight line but in the corner you sure would.     Just my 2 cents 
Doug in big ditch

>
> Neil and all the rest of you:
>
> Good - lots of responses.  First of all -- I want a very simple  contact 
> patch -- one that doesn't include things such as sand or snow  where the 
> surface material might get up and between bits of the tread  pattern.  I'm 
> talking about flat rubber contacting flat surface (be  that pavement or 
> salt or ice).
>
> I'm also disregarding the concept of traction that's available (ice is 
> slippery compared to concrete compared to salt, etc).  I'm only  talking 
> square inches contacting a flat surface.
>
> I hope you understand that I realize that a softer tire will likely  flex 
> more and thereby will probably generate more heat.  I don't care  about 
> that in this argument -- I only want to talk about the absolute  size of 
> the contact patch.
>
> Different tire materials are also irrelevant -- in that it'll take  just 
> as many square inches of air-inflated rubber as it will air- inflated 
> nylon or Kevlar or whatever.  A hard tire (concrete or wood,  for example) 
> would not flex and therefore isn't of interest here.
>
> I will say that Mayf's comments is good -- that is, a high pressure 
> inside the tire will translate to high pressure between the tire and  the 
> surface, and that can be assumed to offer an opportunity for  higher 
> traction.  And also -- narrow can be better for traction for 
> hydroplaning, of course -- just like it is when driving in snow ("cut 
> through the water/snow rather than float over it").
>
> Back to you. . .
>
>       Jon Wennerberg
> Tall guy with moustache
> and a pair of 2 Club hats
> _______________________________________________

From saltfever at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 17:28:03 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:28:03 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
Message-ID: <64E34BFFD108475CB11F577C4FDFCE6D@dim8100>

Skip I am only responding to Jon's definition. He says 'patch' is the square
inches of rubber in contact with the ground. Using that definition the patch
area will vary with surface density or hardness. Keeping the load and
pressure the same, apply the tire to two different surfaces. In the morning
the salt is hard, dry and cold. In the afternoon the salt is hot, soft and
moist. Two different surface characteristics but with exactly the same tire
load and pressure. The latter surface will have more patch area because the
tire will imbed or sink further into the surface more than the former
condition. Even though we are talking thousandths of an inch here the patch
area changes with the medium. The more the tire sinks in, the greater the
rubber area in contact with the surface medium, no?
-----Original Message-----
From: Skip Higginbotham [mailto:saltrat at pahrump.com]
Please explain to me how patch size "obviously" varies with surface
medium. I assume here that you are not talking about mud. We don't
run on mud, snow or sand.

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Mon Nov 17 17:45:49 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:45:49 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
In-Reply-To: <64E34BFFD108475CB11F577C4FDFCE6D@dim8100>
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On Nov 17, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Elon wrote:

Skip I am only responding to Jon's definition. He says 'patch' is the  
square
inches of rubber in contact with the ground. Using that definition the  
patch
area will vary with surface density or hardness. Keeping the load and
pressure the same, apply the tire to two different surfaces. In the  
morning
the salt is hard, dry and cold. In the afternoon the salt is hot, soft  
and
moist. Two different surface characteristics but with exactly the same  
tire
load and pressure. The latter surface will have more patch area  
because the
tire will imbed or sink further into the surface more than the former
condition. Even though we are talking thousandths of an inch here the  
patch
area changes with the medium. The more the tire sinks in, the greater  
the
rubber area in contact with the surface medium, no?


Okay Elon -- I'll go along with that.  Surface might change the size  
of the patch if the tire sinks in to said surface.  But -- let's back  
up and rule out anything other than an ideal surface, just so I can  
get the most basic solution to my query.  But wait -- maybe you're not  
right after all.  Other than the part of the tread surface that's on  
an angle (not parallel to the ground) giving a different amount of  
support (because now we've brought geometry into the equation (or, if  
you will, a third dimension vs. just width and length) you'll still  
got the same pressure in the tire and therefore the same required  
amount of square inches of contact area to support the weight.

If you've got 1200 pounds on the tire and thirty pounds/sq. in.  
pressure in it -- you'll have forty square inches of tire on the  
ground, right?  And if you want forty square inches of contact patch  
and you've only got an 800-pound wheel weight -- you'll need to run  
only 20 psi.

Remember -- leave heating, handling, squirm, tread pattern, surface  
density -- leave 'em all out and let's get the very basic part of the  
problem solved first.  Maybe I'm being way too pedantic here -- but  
before I get into the rest of the variables I want to be sure I know  
the first step.


       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From karhu at california.com  Mon Nov 17 17:48:44 2008
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:48:44 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
References: <64E34BFFD108475CB11F577C4FDFCE6D@dim8100>
	<BCE0A88B-7A89-4DEC-ADF0-73A78BA6E09B@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <7EEA80F1A7B748D6ADE039B6FC09D93D@BennsDesktop>

Awright, my 2 cents:
If your tire were a 1-mil-thick balloon, then the approach strictly using
tire pressure might be appropriate.  But tires aren't balloons--e.g. "run
flat" tires can have zero pressure and still have close to the original tire
patch.  Obviously stiffer (and/or shorter) sidewalls are required for
run-flats (I don't think they make any 70-series run-flats), so the sidewall
stiffness has a LOT to do with it.  And said sidewall stiffness will
therefore influence the contact patch....I'd be v. surprised if you found a
tire that had anything approaching a linear relationship between pressure
and contact area, unless you're looking at a v. small range.
Benn
opinion worth what you paid for it, and two cents ain't much

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Mon Nov 17 17:50:57 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:50:57 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
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On Nov 17, 2008, at 6:58 PM, Doug Odom wrote:

Jon, Anytime you are thinking or talking about race tires first you  
have to understand. It makes all the difference in the world if you  
are talking about a radial tire or a bias belted tire. Having spent  
many days in the shop with a car on four scales, changing tire  
pressure and sizes and load and having been on many stock car tire  
tests with Goodyear and a lot more with the old Firestone stock car  
tire I can tell you most of the time what works with radial tires  
makes bias worse handling. What you see and hear on the TV at the  
nascar races in no way will work on LSR tires. They change air  
pressure to change the spring rate of that corner of the car. Changing  
2 lbs. of air in a radial will not change the foot print very much at  
all but it will change the spring rate a bunch. You would not even  
feel it in a straight line but in the corner you sure would.     Just  
my 2 cents Doug in big ditch



I'll grant you that handling and myriad other issues can and are  
affected by changing tire pressure and construction and such -- but my  
question is simply about the pressure of the air in the tire, the  
weight on the tire, and the resulting amount of contact patch.

I realize one big caveat about patch applies when we're talking about  
big-ass slicks on a dragster - slicks that run very low pressure and  
are heated and treated with stickum -- so that the tire can deflect  
under extreme acceleration and have more of the sticky tire sticking  
to the race track.  Go back to static loads -- tires not rotating,  
vehicle not moving.  That's where my question is meant to be.

Boyoboy, this is fun -- we haven't had this much discussion in a few  
days (maybe longer).  Thanks to one and all for giving me something to  
think about while I was on the snowthrower today -- moving the FOOT of  
snow we got since this time last night.  And - for what it's worth --  
I not only run low pressure in the tires on the tractor -- but tire  
chains, too.  Snow is NOT the ideal surface I'm mentioning in my  
question.


       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Mon Nov 17 17:54:56 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:54:56 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
In-Reply-To: <7EEA80F1A7B748D6ADE039B6FC09D93D@BennsDesktop>
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On Nov 17, 2008, at 7:48 PM, Benn wrote:

Awright, my 2 cents:
If your tire were a 1-mil-thick balloon, then the approach strictly  
using
tire pressure might be appropriate.  But tires aren't balloons--e.g.  
"run
flat" tires can have zero pressure and still have close to the  
original tire
patch.  Obviously stiffer (and/or shorter) sidewalls are required for
run-flats (I don't think they make any 70-series run-flats), so the  
sidewall
stiffness has a LOT to do with it.  And said sidewall stiffness will
therefore influence the contact patch....I'd be v. surprised if you  
found a
tire that had anything approaching a linear relationship between  
pressure
and contact area, unless you're looking at a v. small range.
Benn
opinion worth what you paid for it, and two cents ain't much




Okay, Benn-- you got me there.  I have been ignoring the amount of  
load that is supported by the sidewalls.  I had assumed it was  
negligible (and, for that matter, I thought run-flat tires have a  
solid filling rather than using just the strength inherent in the  
sidewall construction to support the load.

And yes, I admit that the 1-mil balloon is close to an ideal tire for  
the sake of this discussion.  But -- compared to a fullly-inflated  
tire -- how much load will an empty tire support?  Is it enough to be  
a real factor in this?  If the tire can support 1,000 pounds at proper  
inflation and 50 pounds when at atmospheric (hey, just a wild-a**  
number thrown in for the sake of the discussion) -- you're talking a  
five percent error in the contct patch/tire pressure equation.   
Significant -- but not all that much in the grand scheme of things.

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From saltfever at comcast.net  Mon Nov 17 18:21:32 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:21:32 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact Patch Size
Message-ID: <224D1EC2A24847EAB95D470A8CF85750@dim8100>

Jon, my apologies I will have to bow out for a day or so because of current
work load. I appreciate what you are trying to accomplish by filtering out
the variables. So to keep it simple; you assume there is a linear
relationship between pressure and all the parts of the system. However, a
tire is a composite pressure vessel. The loaded fibers, and rubber matrix,
all react differently to pressure and NOT in a liner fashion. Therefore,
some parts move more than others. You get a nonlinear change in contact
patch with pressure changes.  You have all seen the different patch that a
slick leaves due to inflation pressure. Underinflated, the edges push down
and the center crowns up. Overinflated, the highest pressure is in the
center of the patch.  Unit area pressure is not evenly distributed across
the patch because individual member of the composite react differently to
pressure changes.  Great topic, wish I had more time . . . see yah.  -Elon

From saltfevr at q.com  Mon Nov 17 19:41:56 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:41:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Jocko's Memorial Service
Message-ID: <BAY122-W243CF9D076DA5BDB5A4C1BC9120@phx.gbl>

Found Jocko's Memorial Service info on Standard 1320 Yahoo Group,held at Burke
LeSages. God Speed JockoTom ShannonMagna, Utah


Friends of Jocko:

A Memorial Celebration of Life for Robert Jocko Johnson will be held
Saturday, Nov. 29, 2008.

Bonneville racer Burke LeSage will host the event at his home, 6915 Sunny
Vista Road in Joshua Tree , California 92252 .

Come join your friends from 10:00 AM to 4:00 PM, with first round of Jockos
Tacos at noon.

Directions: Take US 10 to Highway 62 near North Palm Springs .
Proceed through Yucca Valley ; go about 5 miles east of Highway 247, Old Woman
Springs Road , to Sunny Vista Road .  (If you reach Park Blvd , you have gone
about a mile too far.)

Go south (right turn) about 1/2 mile to Sunburst Drive .
The LeSage residence is on the southeast corner of Sunburst Drive & Sunny
Vista Road.

(Caution: If you use Google map you may be sent NORTH of highway 62.  That is
NOT correct!!!  The house is south of highway 62).

Anyone who would like to send a $10 or $20 donation for Jockos Pit Pass  to
the Big Drag Strip in the Sky can send it direct to Joanie Johnson at 70353
Winters Road, 29 Palms, CA 92277.

Respectfully,

From jolylance at earthlink.net  Mon Nov 17 20:06:03 2008
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:06:03 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
References: <47D76EAF-8182-4B1A-B35F-4D5607180134@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <005d01c9492a$9ddbc690$2101a8c0@WinXP>

Jon;

You're math sounds okay, but try a simple experiment to test it with a 
vehicle and tire of  your choice. Jack it up on one corner, paint a section 
of the tire with a sticky white paint, very slowly lower it to the ground 
for a minute, jack up the vehicle again, then measure the area of that ugly 
spot on your garage floor. Repeat for different tire pressures and make big 
polka dots all over your garage floor.

You'll get slightly different results depending on the construction of the 
tire even with the same tire aspect ratio but the above experiment is 
probably to crude to measure any such difference. Your analysis assumes that 
a tire is like a special kind of balloon that stretches in only one 
dimension.

It also implicitly assumes that a bigger contact patch means better 
traction. Can't help remembering that a series 70 tire will start 
hydroplaning at a MPH = 9.8 x the square root of the inflation pressure. A 
series 60 tire inflated to the SAME pressure will start hydroplaning at a 
lower MPH (even though the contact patch has a larger area) because the psi 
between the road and the tire patch is lower. Based on what some of the guys 
say about the salt, I think that accelerating on the salt must be more akin 
to a wet road than a sticky asphalt surface, so a bigger contact patch by 
itself does not necessarily mean more traction for a fixed vehicle weight.

In any case, a static analysis to define the contact patch with the vehicle 
standing still is way different than the area of the contact patch and the 
contact psi you'll get at speed with high RPM centrifugal force acting on 
the OD of the tire.

Lance


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Wennerberg" <jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org>
To: "autox List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:45 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size


>I posted this on the landracing.com forum -- and I'll try it here,  too, to 
>see if there's a good answer to the quandary.
>
> "I've got this nagging thought about the size of the contact patch - 
> maybe someone will tell me if it's right or wrong.
>
> That is, the contact patch -- the number of square inches of tire  that's 
> contacting the ground -- would be a function of tire pressure  and the 
> weight that's on those square inches.  As an example:  40 psi  and 1000 
> pounds would need 25 square inches of contact patch.  A five  inch wide 
> tire would need to have five inches on the surface -- a ten  inch wide 
> tire would need 2 1/2 inches.  The weight/pressure would  dictate the 
> amount of rubber in contact with the ground, not the width  of the tire. 
> Want more contact patch?  Run lower tire pressures, not  different tire 
> sizes.
>
> Okay -- that's the math.  If it's not the way it really works -- why 
> not?"
>
>
>
>       Jon Wennerberg
> Tall guy with moustache
> and a pair of 2 Club hats

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Tue Nov 18 06:34:02 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:34:02 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Contact patch size
In-Reply-To: <4922224F.3010808@mayfco.com>
References: <64E34BFFD108475CB11F577C4FDFCE6D@dim8100>
	<BCE0A88B-7A89-4DEC-ADF0-73A78BA6E09B@nancyandjon.org>
	<4922224F.3010808@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <8CDFBA8D-4CF9-474F-A5BB-436DA0D47997@nancyandjon.org>

On Nov 17, 2008, at 9:02 PM, drmayf wrote:

Jon,
So, lemme in on the reason for asking his particular question...trying  
to win a bar bet or what, lol...

mayf




Darn near, Mayf.   We got a foot or more of snow yesterday and I was  
in the doldrums.  Which to do -- run the little electric snowshovel to  
clear a path to the garage to run the big snow-throwing tractor -- or  
ask the group a question that'll provoke some thought and stimulating  
responses?

Q.E.D.  I had no agenda - with bike tires we don't have nearly the  
options available in re: diameter, width, etc.

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From mike_lackey at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 18 14:00:58 2008
From: mike_lackey at yahoo.com (Mike Lackey)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:00:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Top Gear
References: <64E34BFFD108475CB11F577C4FDFCE6D@dim8100>
	<BCE0A88B-7A89-4DEC-ADF0-73A78BA6E09B@nancyandjon.org>
	<4922224F.3010808@mayfco.com>
	<8CDFBA8D-4CF9-474F-A5BB-436DA0D47997@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <654243.98547.qm@web30005.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wasn't able to do Speed Week this year...  but apparantly the brits frrom
Top Gear did.  There is some footage taken at the flats in this episode:
http://www.watchtopgear.net/season-12/season-12-episode-2

Mike

From zoombot at cox.net  Wed Nov 19 14:40:03 2008
From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:40:03 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Mormon Meteor in Leno's Garage
Message-ID: <21FB4E1BBBAB4D65A8468F1D3AE2AC9E@HomePC>

    List -

    Maybe someone posted this already and I missed it, and I haven't seen it
on landracing.com...
    Anyway, Leno makes a few paux-pas with pronunciation and history, but he
clearly enjoys ogling the machinery and getting behind the wheel. There is
also some footage of the Mormon Meteor on the salt.

    http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=835982

   - Chris Pile aka aircap

From saltfevr at q.com  Wed Nov 19 19:19:36 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:19:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Mormon Meteor in Leno's Garage
In-Reply-To: <21FB4E1BBBAB4D65A8468F1D3AE2AC9E@HomePC>
References: <21FB4E1BBBAB4D65A8468F1D3AE2AC9E@HomePC>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W836BEDD85F18096A5E002C90C0@phx.gbl>

Chris;

Thanks so much for Leno Garage MMIII link!! Yes,the Meteor was at WOS on a
specially prepared oval track. Besides MMIII and the British Top Gear program
filming,we had a very succesfull meet. Thanks again Chris!Tom ShannonMagna,
Utah> From: zoombot at cox.net> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov
2008 15:40:03 -0600> Subject: [Land-speed] Mormon Meteor in Leno's Garage> >
List -> > Maybe someone posted this already and I missed it, and I haven't
seen it> on landracing.com...> Anyway, Leno makes a few paux-pas with
pronunciation and history, but he> clearly enjoys ogling the machinery and
getting behind the wheel. There is> also some footage of the Mormon Meteor on
the salt.> >
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=835982> > - Chris
Pile aka aircap> _______________________________________________> Support
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Thu Nov 20 15:00:16 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:00:16 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings
Message-ID: <801F8272BBC2479B8B8AFED31AEE992B@john>

Will Chinese wheel bearings be ok for the rear wheels of my front wheel drive
streamliner ? Do I have a choice ?

John Burk

From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Nov 20 15:52:42 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:52:42 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings
References: <801F8272BBC2479B8B8AFED31AEE992B@john>
Message-ID: <015401c94b62$b38780d0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

John, Call your bearing supply house. There is a list of all the bearing 
manufactures in the world and they should have a copy.
Doug in big ditch
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>
To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings


> Will Chinese wheel bearings be ok for the rear wheels of my front wheel 
> drive
> streamliner ? Do I have a choice ?
>
> John Burk

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Nov 20 16:32:06 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:32:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings
In-Reply-To: <801F8272BBC2479B8B8AFED31AEE992B@john>
References: <801F8272BBC2479B8B8AFED31AEE992B@john>
Message-ID: <1E8F0E8B4CBD413BA287DA67314F0B67@DBTech>

John;

Check to see if Timken makes the size you need-- they are excellent quality
bearings.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Burk
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:00 PM
To: LandSpeed List
Subject: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings

Will Chinese wheel bearings be ok for the rear wheels of my front wheel
drive
streamliner ? Do I have a choice ?

John Burk
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From kturk at adelphia.net  Thu Nov 20 18:06:38 2008
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:06:38 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings
References: <801F8272BBC2479B8B8AFED31AEE992B@john>
	<1E8F0E8B4CBD413BA287DA67314F0B67@DBTech>
Message-ID: <006001c94b75$6898a1e0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Wheel bearings are something I'm kind of a geek about...

Timkin or Japanese...  NEVER China... just try rolling them in your hand as 
they come out of the package and you'll be stunned at how JUNKY they are...

K 

From ed at vetteracing.com  Thu Nov 20 19:22:57 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:22:57 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings
Message-ID: <W3400919090283491227234177@webmail46>

John,
If you want ceramic ball bearings, Jack Wilson @ Performance Bearing can get
you a ceramic if you provide him with the bearing #. 520-466-9176. Real nice
guy.
Ed V.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Odom [mailto:dlodom at charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 03:52 PM
To: 'John Burk', 'LandSpeed List'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings

John, Call your bearing supply house. There is a list of all the bearing
manufactures in the world and they should have a copy. Doug in big ditch -----
Original Message ----- From: "John Burk" To: "LandSpeed List" Sent: Thursday,
November 20, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings > Will Chinese
wheel bearings be ok for the rear wheels of my front wheel > drive >
streamliner ? Do I have a choice ? > > John Burk

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Thu Nov 20 20:33:06 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:33:06 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings
In-Reply-To: <W3400919090283491227234177@webmail46>
References: <W3400919090283491227234177@webmail46>
Message-ID: <CF924C510E444EAA9451BF6DE7446111@DaveSatellite>

Consider what happens if one fails and choose from there. If they don't have 
an engineering department you can talk to in the usa you have probably 
picked poorly..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>
To: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>; "John Burk" <joyseydevil at comcast.net>; 
"LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings


> John,
> If you want ceramic ball bearings, Jack Wilson @ Performance Bearing can 
> get
> you a ceramic if you provide him with the bearing #. 520-466-9176. Real 
> nice
> guy.
> Ed V.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Odom [mailto:dlodom at charter.net]
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 03:52 PM
> To: 'John Burk', 'LandSpeed List'
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings
>
> John, Call your bearing supply house. There is a list of all the bearing
> manufactures in the world and they should have a copy. Doug in big 
> ditch -----
> Original Message ----- From: "John Burk" To: "LandSpeed List" Sent: 
> Thursday,
> November 20, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings > Will 
> Chinese
> wheel bearings be ok for the rear wheels of my front wheel > drive >
> streamliner ? Do I have a choice ? > > John Burk

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Thu Nov 20 23:54:56 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:54:56 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Wheel Bearings
In-Reply-To: <006001c94b75$6898a1e0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <801F8272BBC2479B8B8AFED31AEE992B@john>
	<1E8F0E8B4CBD413BA287DA67314F0B67@DBTech>
	<006001c94b75$6898a1e0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <49265B40.506@wildblue.net>

How true. I didn't think there were bearing manufacturing tools that could
make such rough balls.  (made out of compressed Pig S__t. ??)
I took them back and got some good Japanese bearings. I was afraid to use
that junk on my good Wheelbarrow.

Bryan



Keith Turk wrote:
> Wheel bearings are something I'm kind of a geek about...
>
> Timkin or Japanese...  NEVER China... just try rolling them in your 
> hand as they come out of the package and you'll be stunned at how 
> JUNKY they are...
>
> K _______________________________________________
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From dlodom at charter.net  Fri Nov 21 09:38:38 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:38:38 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT....Christmas cards for wounded soldiers
Message-ID: <020301c94bf7$9b346f80$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Think about brightening the day of someone who deserves a pick-me-up.



If we pass this on and everyone sends one card, think of how many cards these
wonderful, special people who have sacrificed so much would get.



When you are making out your Christmas card list this year, please include the
following:



          A Recovering American Soldier
          c/o Walter Reed Army Medical Center
          6900 Georgia Avenue, NW.
          Washington , D.C. 20307-5001















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From dlodom at charter.net  Fri Nov 21 16:48:55 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:48:55 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT...Right address this time -Christmas cards for
 wounded soldiers
Message-ID: <023c01c94c33$b77c27a0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Sorry for the wrong address before........



Think about brightening the day of someone who deserves a pick-me-up.



If we pass this on and everyone sends one card, think of how many cards these
wonderful, special people who have sacrificed so much would get.



When you are making out your Christmas card list this year, please include the
following:



          Holiday Mail for Heros

          PO BOX 5456

          Capital Heights, Md.

          20791-5456













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From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Sat Nov 22 06:49:03 2008
From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:49:03 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Whatever you need
Message-ID: <112220081349.14584.49280DCF0008CDC4000038F822058891169C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net>

in whatever length, shipped same day. Buddy of mine swears by this source...

http://www.speedymetals.com

From sardatech at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 22 07:51:33 2008
From: sardatech at yahoo.com (tom sarda)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:51:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: sway bar
Message-ID: <259614.56105.qm@web54407.mail.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 11/22/08, tom sarda <sardatech at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: tom sarda <sardatech at yahoo.com>
> Subject: sway bar
> To: landspeed at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 6:45 AM
> Hey,list, I need opinions. Is sway bar on front suspension a
> necessity on the streamliner I'm building? Will bump
> stops provide the stability? The front suspension is
> comprised of a straight axle 30 inches from king pin center
> to center mounted with four link to the chassis. Will a sway
> bar on the rear suspension provide the same effect as  on
> the front? The Springs on the rear are 650 lbs and on the
> front are 600 lbs. Suspension travel is quite limited in the
> shop when you stand on the chassis and try and bounce it.
> There is some side to side roll. I mean very small side to
> side. The width of the front is 45 inches spindle to spindle
> and 44 inches at rear axle outside end to end. Wheel base is
> 201 inches. Aint a whole lot of room up front for a sway bar
> but could be managed. 
>   If at speed the nose drops to the bump stops essentially
> eliminating all movement but there is still travel in the
> rear suspension will that be a good situation? What if
> softer springs at all four corners and bump stops at all
> four corners were in place and the down force forced the
> body to the stops, would that be a good or manageable
> situation? 
> I appreciate your opinions and toughts.
> Tom

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sat Nov 22 09:17:44 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:17:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: sway bar
In-Reply-To: <259614.56105.qm@web54407.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <259614.56105.qm@web54407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7068FEA63180457E91DCA97E22E683BA@DBTech>

Tom;

A "sway bar" is an anti- roll bar-- it increases the roll stiffness of the
end of the car that it is mounted on. If you have a car with very stiff
springs and little suspension travel the anti- roll bar probably won't be
worth adding.

On a "normal" car the anti- roll bar is used to tune the handling of the
car; it makes a big difference whether the bar is mounted on the front or
rear.

I wouldn't use the bump stops as a rule-- when the suspension hits the
stops, the spring rate suddenly goes way up and this can upset things
dramatically.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tom sarda
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:52 AM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: sway bar

--- On Sat, 11/22/08, tom sarda <sardatech at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: tom sarda <sardatech at yahoo.com>
> Subject: sway bar
> To: landspeed at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 6:45 AM
> Hey,list, I need opinions. Is sway bar on front suspension a
> necessity on the streamliner I'm building? Will bump
> stops provide the stability? The front suspension is
> comprised of a straight axle 30 inches from king pin center
> to center mounted with four link to the chassis. Will a sway
> bar on the rear suspension provide the same effect as  on
> the front? The Springs on the rear are 650 lbs and on the
> front are 600 lbs. Suspension travel is quite limited in the
> shop when you stand on the chassis and try and bounce it.
> There is some side to side roll. I mean very small side to
> side. The width of the front is 45 inches spindle to spindle
> and 44 inches at rear axle outside end to end. Wheel base is
> 201 inches. Aint a whole lot of room up front for a sway bar
> but could be managed. 
>   If at speed the nose drops to the bump stops essentially
> eliminating all movement but there is still travel in the
> rear suspension will that be a good situation? What if
> softer springs at all four corners and bump stops at all
> four corners were in place and the down force forced the
> body to the stops, would that be a good or manageable
> situation? 
> I appreciate your opinions and toughts.
> Tom
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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sat Nov 22 10:15:58 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:15:58 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Bilstein shocks
Message-ID: <D1DD3EA34BD446C3862D572628FFDCB9@DaveSatellite>

Does anyone know a good shop to do this that is reasonable? Bilstein is
looking for 100 each for street shocks though they are 300 new so possibly a
deal.. Preferable someone that has an appreciation for street driving as well
Dave

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sat Nov 22 10:16:58 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:16:58 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] OT Corvette advice
Message-ID: <1075250B569344069EC7652874B4A41C@DaveSatellite>

Ok we have to have more than a few Corvette owners here... I bought a 91 that
has some good things and some issues.. Tire pressure monitoring system not
working correctly and seems to be common as well as radio issues antenna and
issues in general with the Bose sound system with 6 separate subsystems all
fragile and all expensive. Last it has the fx3 electronically adjustable
shocks and I can not find a difference in any setting.. The most annoying is
the bolt for the roof on the drivers side front is broken and it is way too
cold out today to fight that battle. Next week will be warmer for that game..
So here are the questions..

The radio Bose system while it looks nice and stock I am thinking it will be
much simpler to buy something new and install it with the knowledge I will
have to run new speaker wires and replace all 4 speakers as the Bose are 2
ohm.. A good or bad plan? I will keep the OEM pieces for the day I sell the
car and offer them with the car should someone want to have them repaired and
put the car back to OEM.. How hard is it to get to the rear speakers is my
question?? No matter what I do I have to fix the antenna... It looks like a
real pain unless by luck the drivers side muffler decides to come off easy
which I doubt. For now I can live without the radio.

The mounting point for the roof, is this on a bracket on the pillar that is
easy to remove and work on in a milling machine etc. or a sit in the car and
drill??

This car is wildly stiff and have driven enough race preped cars to know when
there are issues with something binding. I am thinking the actuator motors are
moving but not adjusting the shocks so there are no errors coming up. I was
thinking of removing the front actuators for the shocks and noting the
position and reinstall set to another setting and remove them or can I just
change the setting and see if the motors turn. I have also been told Bilsten
can rebuild the shocks for a reasonable price. Yes no or maybe or better to
install the regular shocks and just forget about the adjustable ones?

Tire pressure sensors are easy pull the bulb that complains and forget about
them I could care less.If one of the straps breaks that hold them to the
center of the rims I have bigger problems..

The rest of the car is very clean for a 91 inside and out and only 66k miles..
I also bought it knowing all the bushings ties rod ends etc were going to be
replaced just on years alone so I had planned on putting some money into it
though some of these were not on the list..

Last any good reasonable supplier recommendations??
Dave

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sat Nov 22 10:18:12 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:18:12 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] OT need Corvette advice
Message-ID: <C78F4798A0B54D0D90E48571918B6BAD@DaveSatellite>

Ok we have to have more than a few Corvette owners here... I bought a 91 that
has some good things and some issues.. Tire pressure monitoring system not
working correctly and seems to be common as well as radio issues antenna and
issues in general with the Bose sound system with 6 separate subsystems all
fragile and all expensive. Last it has the fx3 electronically adjustable
shocks and I can not find a difference in any setting.. The most annoying is
the bolt for the roof on the drivers side front is broken and it is way too
cold out today to fight that battle. Next week will be warmer for that game..
So here are the questions..

The radio Bose system while it looks nice and stock I am thinking it will be
much simpler to buy something new and install it with the knowledge I will
have to run new speaker wires and replace all 4 speakers as the Bose are 2
ohm.. A good or bad plan? I will keep the OEM pieces for the day I sell the
car and offer them with the car should someone want to have them repaired and
put the car back to OEM.. How hard is it to get to the rear speakers is my
question?? No matter what I do I have to fix the antenna... It looks like a
real pain unless by luck the drivers side muffler decides to come off easy
which I doubt. For now I can live without the radio.

The mounting point for the roof, is this on a bracket on the pillar that is
easy to remove and work on in a milling machine etc. or a sit in the car and
drill??

This car is wildly stiff and have driven enough race preped cars to know when
there are issues with something binding. I am thinking the actuator motors are
moving but not adjusting the shocks so there are no errors coming up. I was
thinking of removing the front actuators for the shocks and noting the
position and reinstall set to another setting and remove them or can I just
change the setting and see if the motors turn. I have also been told Bilsten
can rebuild the shocks for a reasonable price. Yes no or maybe or better to
install the regular shocks and just forget about the adjustable ones?

Tire pressure sensors are easy pull the bulb that complains and forget about
them I could care less.If one of the straps breaks that hold them to the
center of the rims I have bigger problems..

The rest of the car is very clean for a 91 inside and out and only 66k miles..
I also bought it knowing all the bushings ties rod ends etc were going to be
replaced just on years alone so I had planned on putting some money into it
though some of these were not on the list..

Last any good reasonable supplier recommendations??
Dave

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sat Nov 22 14:47:36 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:47:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Top Gear comes to the salt
Message-ID: <A6F424F8-1379-4FA6-B57B-BF51EE2D88A7@comcast.net>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cO4CPYept4

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Nov 22 17:21:05 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:21:05 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT, Very Much So... Money..
Message-ID: <4928A1F1.6000906@mayfco.com>

Have any of ya'll added up how much money that  we have been awarded via 
the African nations with the lotto, estates being left to us, etc. I am 
thinking I am a zillionare, how about you.. I bet my account in the bank 
of Nigeria has more money that yours, na,nananana.....

mayf, yeah it is too quiet...

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sat Nov 22 17:28:41 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:28:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT, Very Much So... Money..
In-Reply-To: <4928A1F1.6000906@mayfco.com>
References: <4928A1F1.6000906@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <5B8AA6CF37924B32B9EB008B8E72D6C8@DBTech>

Maybe that Nigerian money can be contributed to the bailout. :)

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:21 PM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] OT, Very Much So... Money..

Have any of ya'll added up how much money that  we have been awarded via 
the African nations with the lotto, estates being left to us, etc. I am 
thinking I am a zillionare, how about you.. I bet my account in the bank 
of Nigeria has more money that yours, na,nananana.....

mayf, yeah it is too quiet...
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sun Nov 23 07:14:32 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:14:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: More Press For The World of Speed
References: <DD3A1FBC-AC5A-472F-8DA7-2D267DFF4AD2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <FA6A31B7-2B89-469A-B76E-F33DB31A4674@comcast.net>

Be sure to check out the photos in the gallery.

Wes

>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Alan Rider <rider at znet.com>
>> Date: November 22, 2008 7:00:18 AM MST
>> To: wester6935 at comcast.net, Ellen Wilkinson  
>> <saltflats97 at gmail.com>, berryfarm44 at msn.com
>> Subject: More Press For The World of Speed
>>
>> Hi Guys --
>>
>> Thought you'd like to read the story on my experience  on the salt  
>> flats last September.  You'll find it here (be sure to click on the  
>> main image at the top of the page to see the photo gallery):
>>
>> http://www.xtrord.com/xperiences/salt-flats.php
>>
>> Thanks again for helping me to set this up.  And please feel free  
>> to pass along a link to the home page (http://www.xtrord.com/index.php 
>> ) to anyone you know who might enjoy these kind of once-in-a- 
>> lifetime adventures!
>>
>>
>> Alan Rider
>> Publisher
>> XTRORD.com
>> Xtrordinary Media, LLC
>> 530-722-0808

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Sun Nov 23 09:34:43 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:34:43 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] OT....Christmas cards for wounded soldiers
Message-ID: <c2a.3e3ffcc7.365ae023@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/21/2008 11:39:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
dlodom at charter.net writes:

When you  are making out your Christmas card list this year, please include  
the
following:



A  Recovering American Soldier
c/o Walter  Reed Army Medical Center
6900 Georgia  Avenue, NW.
Washington , D.C.  20307-5001
 
Unfortunately I found out this a a particularly nasty urban legend.
Whoever originally contrived this lie is a serious rat bastard. 
_http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/walterreed.asp_ 
(http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/walterreed.asp) 
 
BOBW
**************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, 
and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com 
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From dlodom at charter.net  Sun Nov 23 10:58:15 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:58:15 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT....Christmas cards for wounded soldiers
References: <c2a.3e3ffcc7.365ae023@aol.com>
Message-ID: <008801c94d95$0fb07c20$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Yes Bob, But the correct address is

Holiday Mail for Heros
PO Box 5456
Capital Heights, Md.
20791-5456

Sorry for the wrong address on the first email.

Doug in big ditch
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BWANA343 at aol.com
  To: dlodom at charter.net ; land-speed at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 8:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT....Christmas cards for wounded soldiers




  In a message dated 11/21/2008 11:39:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dlodom at charter.net writes:
    When you are making out your Christmas card list this year, please include
the
    following:



              A Recovering American Soldier
              c/o Walter Reed Army Medical Center
              6900 Georgia Avenue, NW.
              Washington , D.C. 20307-5001

  Unfortunately I found out this a a particularly nasty urban legend.
  Whoever originally contrived this lie is a serious rat bastard.
  http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/walterreed.asp

  BOBW





-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
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things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 23 17:27:54 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:27:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] WCTA - Lovelock
Message-ID: <986557.55975.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anybody know if there's anything going on with this event/organization? 
Is there going to be a May event?
 
DickJ
In East Texas

From saltfevr at q.com  Sun Nov 23 19:41:18 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:41:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: More Press For The World of Speed
In-Reply-To: <FA6A31B7-2B89-469A-B76E-F33DB31A4674@comcast.net>
References: <DD3A1FBC-AC5A-472F-8DA7-2D267DFF4AD2@comcast.net>
	<FA6A31B7-2B89-469A-B76E-F33DB31A4674@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W54A553F3030B51438D8BC0C9080@phx.gbl>

Wester:

Thanks for the photo reminder. Now Cathy is zooming in on her signature on his
130club sticker! Geesh! LOLTom ShannonMagna, Utah> From:
wester6935 at comcast.net> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008
07:14:32 -0700> Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: More Press For The World of Speed>
> Be sure to check out the photos in the gallery.> > Wes> > >> >> > Begin
forwarded message:> >> >> From: Alan Rider <rider at znet.com>> >> Date: November
22, 2008 7:00:18 AM MST> >> To: wester6935 at comcast.net, Ellen Wilkinson > >>
<saltflats97 at gmail.com>, berryfarm44 at msn.com> >> Subject: More Press For The
World of Speed> >>> >> Hi Guys --> >>> >> Thought you'd like to read the story
on my experience on the salt > >> flats last September. You'll find it here
(be sure to click on the > >> main image at the top of the page to see the
photo gallery):> >>> >> http://www.xtrord.com/xperiences/salt-flats.php> >>>
>> Thanks again for helping me to set this up. And please feel free > >> to
pass along a link to the home page (http://www.xtrord.com/index.php > >> ) to
anyone you know who might enjoy these kind of once-in-a- > >> lifetime
adventures!> >>> >>> >> Alan Rider> >> Publisher> >> XTRORD.com> >>
Xtrordinary Media, LLC> >> 530-722-0808>
_______________________________________________> Support Team.Net
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From ed at vetteracing.com  Sun Nov 23 20:33:37 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:33:37 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] WCTA - Lovelock
Message-ID: <W975431224442041227497617@webmail22>

I talked to the guy putting it on back in Sept and he said he alredy had the permits. Nothing since then tho....
Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick J [mailto:lsr_man at yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 05:27 PM
To: 'lsr list autox'
Subject: [Land-speed] WCTA - Lovelock

Does anybody know if there's anything going on with this event/organization? Is there going to be a May event? DickJ In East Texas 

From ifixmgs at cox.net  Tue Nov 25 04:18:49 2008
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 6:18:49 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] [Semi-Land-speed]  Carjunkietv.com
In-Reply-To: <BAY122-W54A553F3030B51438D8BC0C9080@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20081125061849.J9Q3M.384708.imail@eastrmwml28>

Anyone know why Freiburgers  carjunkietv.com site is not responding?  I haven't been a regular, but it's been down for the  last few days.  
Mark C 

From kturk at adelphia.net  Tue Nov 25 04:22:40 2008
From: kturk at adelphia.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:22:40 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] [Semi-Land-speed]  Carjunkietv.com
References: <20081125061849.J9Q3M.384708.imail@eastrmwml28>
Message-ID: <008301c94ef0$20ecd7c0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

David's new website is Freiburgersjunkyard.com it's the same as 
CarJunkieTV... however he now owns 100% of the new site... and it won't be 
quite as fancy... but it will still have the same folks...

Keith 

From dlodom at charter.net  Tue Nov 25 12:10:14 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:10:14 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Dual Mass flywheel noise
Message-ID: <02dd01c94f31$72832940$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Anyone have any experance with a knocking noise on the 89 Vette dual mass
flywheel? Only comes in at idle after its warmed up.
Doug in big ditch

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue Nov 25 12:21:08 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:21:08 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Dual Mass flywheel noise
References: <02dd01c94f31$72832940$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <0290D64A67F8421682CCF97A62645917@Glens>

Doug
That's your heart beating with all of that horse power. Have a great turkey 
day.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Dual Mass flywheel noise


> Anyone have any experance with a knocking noise on the 89 Vette dual mass
> flywheel? Only comes in at idle after its warmed up.
> Doug in big ditch
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue Nov 25 13:02:31 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:02:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tuesday chat
Message-ID: <5FBEA4F5A547406D84EC7211E0B4B7B5@Glens>

Last week we had a great turn out on the landracing.com chat line. Hope to see
everyone tonight.
Glen

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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Tue Nov 25 20:45:12 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:45:12 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Tuesday chat
References: <5FBEA4F5A547406D84EC7211E0B4B7B5@Glens>
Message-ID: <000701c94f79$66f06f00$6501a8c0@S>

Glen, Thanks for the reminder..... but, darn...... Home too late for the
Tuesday chat this time......
Here's something interesting I found posted on the Seattle Metalheads Yahoo
group forum today by Grant Erwin gwe at tinyisland.com :

"If you have to lay out a fishmouth joint fitting two tubes or pipes
together,
you can download tubemiter or winmiter and use those to print out templates
which you can then cut/grind using your favorite torch. But what if you only
have a horizontal cutoff bandsaw or chop saw?
"This is a site worth looking at. For me, it didn't work in Netscape or
Firefox,
but did work in IE: http://snip.awardspace.com ('snip' stands for Sawing
Notch
In Pipe).
"I haven't tried it yet, but there are pictures on the Web. Here are a
couple:
http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo210/ecortech/DSC00005-11.jpg
http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo210/ecortech/DSC00006-5.jpg
"Enjoy,  Grant Erwin"

If you're doing roll cage work this winter and have had it with hole saws
this might be of interest.
Note that if you are working with two different pipe diameters enter the
actual ID of the smaller pipe that sets at an angle.
And I'm kind of guessing that if one were making a three tube junction you
could use just the first angle for each side of the middle pipe.
(uhhhhh......did anyone understand me?  Oh well.... you guys are pretty
smart.  Study it while I try to figure a better way to say it without a
drawing..... if I can....)
I haven't tried any of this yet; so no guarantees of satisfaction from my
corner.
And the snip calculation did work for me on Firefox as well as IE.
Ed Weldon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:02 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Tuesday chat
> Last week we had a great turn out on the landracing.com chat line. Hope to
see
> everyone tonight.
> Glen

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Nov 26 10:02:13 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:02:13 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Aluminum Primer
Message-ID: <492D8115.8080302@mayfco.com>

Anybody know of a cheap readily available rattle can aluminum primer?

mayf

From jdincau at qnet.com  Wed Nov 26 10:07:46 2008
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:07:46 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Aluminum Primer
In-Reply-To: <492D8115.8080302@mayfco.com>
References: <492D8115.8080302@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <2676E19CD2A845A8AE4810CCE6B727A2@denpc>

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cs/primers.html


> Anybody know of a cheap readily available rattle can aluminum primer?
>
> mayf

From dlodom at charter.net  Wed Nov 26 10:39:58 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:39:58 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Aluminum Primer
References: <492D8115.8080302@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <038201c94fee$024aff50$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

I use the self etching primer from SEM.   www.sem.ws   I get it from my 
local auto paint supply store. Very good stuff and about $12 a can.

Doug in big ditch
-----

> Anybody know of a cheap readily available rattle can aluminum primer?
>
> mayf
> _______________________________________________

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Nov 26 10:43:46 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:43:46 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Aluminum Primer
In-Reply-To: <2676E19CD2A845A8AE4810CCE6B727A2@denpc>
References: <492D8115.8080302@mayfco.com>
	<2676E19CD2A845A8AE4810CCE6B727A2@denpc>
Message-ID: <492D8AD2.2050301@mayfco.com>

That'll do it. I buy lots of stuff from them and for some reason I keep 
forgetting they have stuff...
mayf
Jim Dincau wrote:

>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cs/primers.html
>
>
>  
>
>>Anybody know of a cheap readily available rattle can aluminum primer?
>>
>>mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Nov 26 10:44:44 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:44:44 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Aluminum Primer
In-Reply-To: <038201c94fee$024aff50$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <492D8115.8080302@mayfco.com>
	<038201c94fee$024aff50$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <492D8B0C.8090409@mayfco.com>

Thanks, doug. I'll try my Car Quest guy to see it he has some. Only auto 
paint store in town, lol..

mayf
Doug Odom wrote:

> I use the self etching primer from SEM.   www.sem.ws   I get it from 
> my local auto paint supply store. Very good stuff and about $12 a can.
>
> Doug in big ditch
> -----
>
>> Anybody know of a cheap readily available rattle can aluminum primer?
>>
>> mayf
>> _______________________________________________

From dlodom at charter.net  Wed Nov 26 10:56:00 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:56:00 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] California paint laws?
Message-ID: <03a001c94ff0$41c1e020$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

I have been told that after the first of the year in California you will not
be able to buy anything but water base paints. Does anyone know if this is
true? If you are planning on painting your car for next year maybe you had
better get your paint now if its true. For me I'm looking into wrapping the
liner after I get the body fixed.
Rattle can primer might be all I can afford.     Doug in big ditch

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Wed Nov 26 15:08:26 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:08:26 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] Tomorrow,non LSR ?
Message-ID: <d2b.3d638f92.365f22da@aol.com>

Happy and Healthy Thanksgiving to all in our LSR family from my family and  
I.  
My favorite Holiday, always has been. No presents, no religious  
responsibilities, no special person day, just being thankful and recognizing  what a 
special  privilege it still is to live in the USA on an  American Holiday.  
Most of my immediate Family will be here tomorrow, eating on Frangiella (  my 
Granddaughter names The Bird), and assorted home made offerings, but we will  
take time to remember both dear ones now gone and especially our military  
personnel serving throughout the world and all the emergency service people  
protecting us and ours 24/7. 
Bob Wanner in NY 
**************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW 
AOL.com. 
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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 26 17:01:22 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:01:22 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] California paint laws?
Message-ID: <33313673.1227744082535.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Yuma and Tijuana have readily available paint...............

>
>I have been told that after the first of the year in California you will not
>be able to buy anything but water base paints. Does anyone know if this is
>true? If you are planning on painting your car for next year maybe you had
>better get your paint now if its true. For me I'm looking into wrapping the
>liner after I get the body fixed.
>Rattle can primer might be all I can afford.     Doug in big ditch

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Nov 26 19:02:18 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:02:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanks giving
Message-ID: <A9B85F4D398F48DE8A928BD39BD8AAA5@Glens>

Everyone have a great and safe Thanksgiving. Think of our troops that protect
us and make it possible every day to have this great day.
Glen & Carol
Southern Utah

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Thu Nov 27 06:11:47 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 5:11:47 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <20081127081147.L16I2.294179.imail@fed1rmwml39>

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Thu Nov 27 06:28:53 2008
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:28:53 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanks giving
In-Reply-To: <A9B85F4D398F48DE8A928BD39BD8AAA5@Glens>
Message-ID: <20081127132915.CCA6D187644@autox.team.net>

Right on, Glen, Sparky and everyone else on the list. Have a wonderful
Thanksgiving with your friends and family!!!

Jim Webb
Choc Full o' Nuts
A/PP B/PP D/PP ?/FL

From jdincau at qnet.com  Thu Nov 27 20:03:47 2008
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:03:47 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Borg Warner super T-10 trans.
Message-ID: <0500BEDDD9F94C54BD39EEFC37A0FEA8@denpc>

Hi all,
     On the subject trans. can I substitute silicone or Hylomar for the 
front bearing retainer gasket?
Jim in Palmdale 

From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Fri Nov 28 07:12:50 2008
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:12:50 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Borg Warner super T-10 trans.
References: <0500BEDDD9F94C54BD39EEFC37A0FEA8@denpc>
Message-ID: <002801c95163$67288250$6501a8c0@Rick>

Jim
Assuming it won't change dimensions for throw out bearing movement to be a 
problem.
OK
But use the Ultra Black RTV.
It was/is designed to be used in an oily environment and will work even if 
the surfaces are not operating room clean.
That doesn't mean don't make the mating surfaces squeaky clean.
You don't have to wait for the RTV to skin over.  I apply a small bead, and 
"butter it on with my finger tip, then assemble.  Wait for overnight for 
cure time then cut with exacto the excess material that squeezes out.  Doing 
it this way, you don't get too much material squeeze  on the inside of the 
surface where it can fall off and get into moving parts or block the drain 
passage.

Best regards
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Dincau" <jdincau at qnet.com>
To: "land Speed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:03 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Borg Warner super T-10 trans.


> Hi all,
>     On the subject trans. can I substitute silicone or Hylomar for the 
> front bearing retainer gasket?
> Jim in Palmdale _______________________________________________
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Fri Nov 28 10:06:55 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:06:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OT....Christmas cards for wounded soldiers
In-Reply-To: <008801c94d95$0fb07c20$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <c2a.3e3ffcc7.365ae023@aol.com>
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I send $ to the USO to buy phone cards for wounded  Vet's in Walter Reed.
I can't believe the military won't do it. They misplace 18 Billion in 
Iraq, but
can't afford to pay for long distance phone bill at Christmas time, this 
really
pisses off an old Army Brat.

And people wonder why I say, the pentagon is the foot soldiers worst enemy.

Rant, Rant.....

OK, I'll shut up......
Bryan

From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 29 12:43:00 2008
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:43:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Killacycle LSR attempt
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The Killacycle is an electric motorcycle that runs the 1/4 mile in the 7's at 168 mph. This team is planning an assault on the motorcycle land speed record:

http://www.evahakansson.se/#post1

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Nov 30 13:43:14 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:43:14 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Killacycle LSR attempt
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To me, the important part is the A123 LI battery's using Nanophosphate 
technology
which yields massive surface area in a small, lighter package with 
staggering current
capability. They have a 3.2 VDC R&D sample available on their web site 
that is slightly
larger than (+15%) than a AA battery.
It is rated 3.0V at 140 amps for 1 second without damage
http://www.a123systems.com
http://www.buya123systems.com/prdeki.html

.

David Dymaxion wrote:
> The Killacycle is an electric motorcycle that runs the 1/4 mile in the 7's at 168 mph. This team is planning an assault on the motorcycle land speed record:
>
> http://www.evahakansson.se/#post1

From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 30 20:32:11 2008
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:32:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Killacycle LSR attempt
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Bryan, you are absolutely right on the A123 batteries. These batteries are
definitely game-changers, now all we need is for them to be cheaper. On my
Camaro, I estimate if I removed all the gas stuff, put in 400 lbs of electric
motors, and the rest of the missing weight in A123 batteries, the car would
have 900 hp at the same weight! These batteries produce as much as 4 kW / kg
-- that's about 2 rwhp per pound of battery!
________________________________
From: Bryan Savage <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
To: David Dymaxion <david_dymaxion at yahoo.com>
Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 1:43:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed]
Killacycle LSR attempt

To me, the important part is the A123 LI battery's
using Nanophosphate technology
which yields massive surface area in a small,
lighter package with staggering current
capability. They have a 3.2 VDC R&D
sample available on their web site that is slightly
larger than (+15%) than a
AA battery.
It is rated 3.0V at 140 amps for 1 second without damage
http://www.a123systems.com
http://www.buya123systems.com/prdeki.html