From ddahlgren at snet.net  Thu May  1 00:40:03 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 02:40:03 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] VE, etc.>From>JG Magoo
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This is no different than some of the Nissan group C engines of the late 
80's early 90's. We have to preheat them on the dynoto 150 degress before 
starting.  So it is very old tech not new tech..LOL
Dave
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Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] VE, etc.>From>JG Magoo


> If they "seize" at room temp, how are they assembled?  Methinks there's 
> more
> to the story....
> Benn
>
>> An interesting tidbit that I heard on the TV from Steve Matchett on his
>> Inside Formula One TV show was that at normal room temperature (say 70-F)
>> a Formula One engine is completely SIEZED, and will NOT turn over with 
>> the
>> starter. It is only after a period of time pre-heating it by pumping 
>> 180-F
>> water and 180-F oil through it that it reaches proper internal clearances
>> where it can be turned-over and started by the starter apparatus.   Wow!
>> ;o)

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu May  1 09:39:04 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 08:39:04 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo
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Mike:
I think if you look at it a little closer, piston speed is a function 
of RPM and the slow burning "flame front" of Nitro starts to get 
behind the piston speed as RPM increases so we must add ignition 
advance to keep the piston and the flame front in a more or less 
ideal positional relationship. So it is both the slow burn rate and 
the desire for higher RPM/power that drives the higher advance. Would 
still like to know how much advance the F-1 engines use at 20k.
Skip




At 09:56 PM 4/30/2008, Mike Lackey wrote:
>Top Fuel engines need that much timing advance because of the fuel, 
>not the rpm.  Nitromethane burns much slower than gasoline, so the 
>timing needs to be advanced more to maximize power.  My street bike 
>revs to 14,000 rpm and full advance is only at 43 degrees and it 
>uses standard supreme pump gas. I have no idea what F1 uses for 
>fuel. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: Skip Higginbotham 
><saltrat at pahrump.com> To: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren at snet.net>; 
>jgmagoo at comcast.net; land-speed-digest <land-speed at autox.team.net> 
>Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:26:22 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 
>Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo And...how much ignition advance do they 
>run at 20k to help the flame front stay up with the piston speed???? 
>Top Fuel engines run as much as 65 degrees to enable 9000 RPM. It's 
>not just VE. Skip At 11:34 AM 4/30/2008, Dave Dahlgren

From RACE427 at aol.com  Thu May  1 09:57:22 2008
From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:57:22 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo
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I thought F1 used alcohol for fuel  ??



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From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Thu May  1 10:39:22 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:39:22 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo
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F1 rules say pump gas IIRC.

At times though, what is pumped into the cars has been pretty good stuff
and deemed beyond what is available to folks on the street.

David, prefers alcohol for fuel . . .

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I thought F1 used alcohol for fuel  ??



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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Thu May  1 11:36:18 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:36:18 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo
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I have had engines that needed less as RPM went up so I would be careful 
about making a blanket statement. All of those engines have small bores and 
very well designed combustion chambers and ports so the mixture was very 
well prepared and quite ready to light as well. Fuel atomization has a lot 
to do with it also. Some of the very old Cosworth stuff used numbers like 60 
degrees of lead but were large bore and lazy chambers by today's standards. 
It is not unusual to only run 28 degrees of lead at 9000 RPM with a well 
designed engine. This is also a sign that the chamber is pretty resistant to 
detonation. Be wary of something that does not respond to a timing change 
you have a bomb on your hands then as the cycle by cycle combustion is all 
over the place or the manifold is so bad that you made some cylinders better 
and some worse and a burned piston is in your future.. Nitro and atomization 
are two words that really belong in the same sentence...LOL

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: "Mike Lackey" <mike_lackey at yahoo.com>; "land-speed-digest" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo


> Mike:
> I think if you look at it a little closer, piston speed is a function
> of RPM and the slow burning "flame front" of Nitro starts to get
> behind the piston speed as RPM increases so we must add ignition
> advance to keep the piston and the flame front in a more or less
> ideal positional relationship. So it is both the slow burn rate and
> the desire for higher RPM/power that drives the higher advance. Would
> still like to know how much advance the F-1 engines use at 20k.
> Skip

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Thu May  1 11:36:55 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:36:55 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo
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Those are Indy cars you might be thinking of..
Dave
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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo


>I thought F1 used alcohol for fuel  ??

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Thu May  1 11:39:31 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:39:31 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo
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Personally I like an ethanol blend over ice LOL...Jose Curervo always a 
favorite..
Whatever they use it must burn right now at the speeds they run..LOL
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
To: <RACE427 at aol.com>; <mike_lackey at yahoo.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo


> F1 rules say pump gas IIRC.
>
> At times though, what is pumped into the cars has been pretty good stuff
> and deemed beyond what is available to folks on the street.
>
> David, prefers alcohol for fuel . . .

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Thu May  1 13:31:48 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:31:48 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo
Message-ID: <001501c8abc2$0036dde0$466a2544@john>

Top fuel spark lead varies with the shape of the combustion chamber . Blown 
fuel 392 hemis ran best with 19 to 28 deg with extreme of 32 deg . It took 
several years for the Ramchargers , Keith Black and Garlits to realize that 
426 hemis needed way more . In '66 or early '67 Black tried 40 deg which 
wasn't enough and he quickly pulled it back for fear it was way too much . 
Spark advance is not linear . When the piston is half way up the fuel burns 
relatively slowly . A fellow I know got the mag a tooth off on his top 
fueler which was about 140 deg and it ran about the same .



> Top Fuel engines need that much timing advance because of the fuel, not 
> the
> rpm.  Nitromethane burns much slower than gasoline, so the timing needs to 
> be
> advanced more to maximize power. 

From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Thu May  1 14:33:19 2008
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 20:33:19 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Honda Roadrace Motorcycle>From>JGMagoo
Message-ID: <050120082033.15237.481A290F000B9E5900003B8522135285730101090E030906@comcast.net>

I thought I remember that incredible road-racing Honda motorcycle as a 6-cylinder.  Ridden at the Isle Of Man by, I think, Mike Hailwood in the early to mid 1960's.

I remember a picture in a motorcycle magazine at the time, of a group of Honda engineers running it in the pits, all wearing 'ear-muffs'. The picture was taken from the rear showing 6, (3 on each side), open 'megaphone' exhaust pipes and a group of spectators standing around all holding their ears with a distinct grimace of pain showing on their faces!!   ;o)

As I was reading the article in the magazine, I was just thinking to myself what the bore and stroke must be, and then then I came to the part where it said it was 4-valves per cylinder!!  I tossed the magazine in the air and cracked-up laughing!  My wife looked at me like I was crazy. 

From DAW1 at comcast.net  Thu May  1 15:15:28 2008
From: DAW1 at comcast.net (DAW1)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:15:28 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo
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First post here, though I've been following the list for about a year or 2. 
All this talk about spark advance in a top fueler made me come out of 
hiding. What about the info from Keith Black's website that says a top 
fueler does not actually NEED spark during the run, that the engine would 
continue to diesel until it ran out of fuel? This is the list of info that 
says the nitro is compress almost to a solid. And also can someone explain 
HOW the Formula 1 valve system works? I know they use air instead of 
springs, but where does that much air come from and how is it used? Thanks, 
doug walters
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo


> Top fuel spark lead varies with the shape of the combustion chamber . 
> Blown
> fuel 392 hemis ran best with 19 to 28 deg with extreme of 32 deg . It took
> several years for the Ramchargers , Keith Black and Garlits to realize 
> that
> 426 hemis needed way more . In '66 or early '67 Black tried 40 deg which
> wasn't enough and he quickly pulled it back for fear it was way too much .
> Spark advance is not linear . When the piston is half way up the fuel 
> burns
> relatively slowly . A fellow I know got the mag a tooth off on his top
> fueler which was about 140 deg and it ran about the same .
>

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From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Thu May  1 15:18:29 2008
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 21:18:29 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] How Are They Assembled?>From>JG Magoo
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Re: How are F-1 engines assembled if they are SIEZED at room temperature?

They are assembled at operating temperature. The block, pistons and all related assemblies are kept at, say 180-F degrees during the assembly process. A rather tedious and expensive process.

JG 

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Thu May  1 15:18:41 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:18:41 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Engine design
Message-ID: <000e01c8abd0$eeb0ca90$466a2544@john>

In 1911 Peugeot came up with the twin cam pentroof 4 valve race engine . Since
then most race engines have been variations of  that design .
John

From jolylance at earthlink.net  Thu May  1 15:51:35 2008
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 17:51:35 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo
References: <001501c8abc2$0036dde0$466a2544@john>
	<54D0F148F85D40CCA3B6E8FF21D0985D@SallyPC>
Message-ID: <000d01c8abd5$8ccdf230$2101a8c0@WinXP>

The F1 valves are pneumatically opened and closed by air cylinders--the air 
comes from an on-board high pressure air tank.

Lance


----- Original Message ----- 
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<Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo


> First post here, though I've been following the list for about a year or 
> 2.
> All this talk about spark advance in a top fueler made me come out of
> hiding. What about the info from Keith Black's website that says a top
> fueler does not actually NEED spark during the run, that the engine would
> continue to diesel until it ran out of fuel? This is the list of info that
> says the nitro is compress almost to a solid. And also can someone explain
> HOW the Formula 1 valve system works? I know they use air instead of
> springs, but where does that much air come from and how is it used? 
> Thanks,
> doug walters

From jdincau at qnet.com  Thu May  1 17:00:44 2008
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:00:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Torque Drop>From>JG Magoo
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Doug,
     F1 engines are typically twin gear driven cams with pivoting followers 
between the cam lobe and a cup on top of the valve stem. There are no 
conventional valve springs but the cup rides in a bore that is pressurized 
with nitrogen. When the engine is out of the car it is hooked to a bottle on 
the engine stand that keeps the system pressurized to avoid damaging the 
valve train when rotating the crank. How do I know this? my kid bought me a 
book titled "Ferrari Formula 1, under the skin of the championship winning 
F1-2000" lots of lovely pictures and cut away renderings with descriptions 
of all the systems. The engine has seven oil scavenge pump stages, variable 
length air horns and the transmission case is made from twenty-four CNC 
machined titanium parts welded together in an inert gas chamber. These 
things are unbelievable.
Jim in Palmdale


> HOW the Formula 1 valve system works? I know they use air instead of
> springs, but where does that much air come from and how is it used? 
> Thanks,
> doug walters

From kturk at ala.net  Fri May  2 03:11:49 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 04:11:49 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Hey Doug.... Welcome to the list...
References: <001501c8abc2$0036dde0$466a2544@john>
	<54D0F148F85D40CCA3B6E8FF21D0985D@SallyPC>
Message-ID: <00ed01c8ac34$8e30d160$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Nice to see someone new pop up now and then... especially with an 
intelligent question...

Where are you from?  what do you race or want to race?

Keith 

From DAW1 at comcast.net  Fri May  2 04:37:36 2008
From: DAW1 at comcast.net (DAW1)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 06:37:36 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Hey Doug.... Welcome to the list...
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Thank you, Keith.  I don't race anything, just have a giant interest in 
useless information about all things mechanical. I've lived my whole life in 
central Pa. where the two biggest chocolate factories are located. One day 
SOON I need to see B-ville happen. I've been interested in LSR since the 
60's when Hot Rod  followed the event. Thanks to all for the free flow of 
information here. doug walters
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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 5:11 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Hey Doug.... Welcome to the list...


> Nice to see someone new pop up now and then... especially with an
> intelligent question...
>
> Where are you from?  what do you race or want to race?
>
> Keith
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From kturk at ala.net  Fri May  2 06:20:57 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:20:57 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Hey Doug.... Welcome to the list...
References: <001501c8abc2$0036dde0$466a2544@john><54D0F148F85D40CCA3B6E8FF21D0985D@SallyPC><00ed01c8ac34$8e30d160$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<3BB37933DCF144FC84EFB20D8B9A98DA@SallyPC>
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Boy I remember saying stuff like that...

hey Maxton isn't that far from you and Chuck is from Pennsylvania... oh 
nevermind... LOL

Bonneville is as magical as it seems... incredible vista's... wonderful 
people and the wierdest collection of Junk ass Hot Rod's in the world... 
best part of all is that most of them are FAST as hell...

K 

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri May  2 16:19:51 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:19:51 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Conversion help
Message-ID: <00a901c8aca2$a47ec530$6501a8c0@Glens>

I have used this web site for several years. Tons on information.

www.onlineconversion.com


Glen

From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Sat May  3 05:55:12 2008
From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 11:55:12 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Shoestring Speedtiming
Message-ID: <050320081155.14668.481C52A000074ECE0000394C22135753339C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net>

After months of pursuit without being knocked out of the box, we, (Bwana and I), are getting closer to being able to stage LSR time trials at the former Loring AFB in northern Maine this summer.
It's a great venue at almost 14,000' by 300' of asphalt at 750' above sea level. Caribou, Maine is nearby so it's not without amenities, and Interstate 95 is an excellent road getting there.
There is a problem of course, inasmuch as there's hardly any racers or racecars in this part of the world. 
"If you build it, they will come". We'll see.
So we're on a budget with a capital B. A particular variable cost is timing equipment rental. At this point getting a high quality system might not be the best way to spend money. You list guys we'd bet might be able to come up with a system that while not super accurate, might work fine to give the three guys that showed up an idea how fast they just went.
Not above soldering something together on a breadboard, etc..
Thanks alot. The Bobbys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Air_Force_Base

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sat May  3 09:57:35 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:57:35 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Shoestring Speedtiming
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I am betting you can buy from a Company like B&B an external digital clock 
that will run at XX.XXX seconds and connected to a laptop and have it at 
least give you the time between 2 channels being triggered. For low cost 
lights I would use 2 AIM beacon reciever/ transmitter pairs they should work 
at 50 feet or so apart. Let me know if any of this interests you and I will 
look furter into it. I would expect the cost around 500 or so and some of it 
can be e-bayed to a racer if you change your mind..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bobbyhotrods at comcast.net>
To: "Landspeed" <Land-speed at Autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 7:55 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Shoestring Speedtiming


> After months of pursuit without being knocked out of the box, we, (Bwana 
> and I), are getting closer to being able to stage LSR time trials at the 
> former Loring AFB in northern Maine this summer.
> It's a great venue at almost 14,000' by 300' of asphalt at 750' above sea 
> level. Caribou, Maine is nearby so it's not without amenities, and 
> Interstate 95 is an excellent road getting there.
> There is a problem of course, inasmuch as there's hardly any racers or 
> racecars in this part of the world.
> "If you build it, they will come". We'll see.
> So we're on a budget with a capital B. A particular variable cost is 
> timing equipment rental. At this point getting a high quality system might 
> not be the best way to spend money. You list guys we'd bet might be able 
> to come up with a system that while not super accurate, might work fine to 
> give the three guys that showed up an idea how fast they just went.
> Not above soldering something together on a breadboard, etc..
> Thanks alot. The Bobbys

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sat May  3 11:02:29 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:02:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Shoestring Speedtiming
In-Reply-To: <050320081155.14668.481C52A000074ECE0000394C22135753339C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <010a01c8ad3f$7a5588f0$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Bobby;

You might be able to build a decent timer by using an electronic frequency
counter in a "start- stop" mode. Two photocell beam breakers plus a huge
roll of wire would complete the system. Read out the time and then push the
"reset" button.

You can find counters on the surplus market and on eBay. The photocell
sensors can also be found there. The sensors would be called a "beam
breaker" or something like that. The most convenient type would use a light
beam projected to a reflector on the other side of the track. This
eliminates having to have wires crossing the track for separate projectors &
detectors.

Make sure the detectors are fast enough to give you the accuracy you need
for this application.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
bobbyhotrods at comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:55 AM
To: Landspeed
Subject: [Land-speed] Shoestring Speedtiming

After months of pursuit without being knocked out of the box, we, (Bwana and
I), are getting closer to being able to stage LSR time trials at the former
Loring AFB in northern Maine this summer.
It's a great venue at almost 14,000' by 300' of asphalt at 750' above sea
level. Caribou, Maine is nearby so it's not without amenities, and
Interstate 95 is an excellent road getting there.
There is a problem of course, inasmuch as there's hardly any racers or
racecars in this part of the world. 
"If you build it, they will come". We'll see.
So we're on a budget with a capital B. A particular variable cost is timing
equipment rental. At this point getting a high quality system might not be
the best way to spend money. You list guys we'd bet might be able to come up
with a system that while not super accurate, might work fine to give the
three guys that showed up an idea how fast they just went.
Not above soldering something together on a breadboard, etc..
Thanks alot. The Bobbys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loring_Air_Force_Base
_______________________________________________

From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Sat May  3 11:08:30 2008
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 10:08:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed vs. August Speed Weeks
Message-ID: <918131.64629.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm a new subscriber to the list and would like someone to comment on the differences between the "big" SCTA Speed Weeks event at Bonneville in August versus the USFRA  World of Speed event in September.

I will be making a trip to Utah in September and plan on spending a day at he World of Speed event.  This will be my first trip to Bonneville.  I've seen plenty of footage about the Speed Weeks (August) event.  Just wondering how much "smaller" the World of Speed event is and how the meet otherwise differs from the larger August trials.  Guess I want to have realistic expectations so if you can comment on this, I'd sure appreciate it.

You can respond on list if you think others might be interested in this info, or otherwise off list to me directly at fordlandia at sbcglobal.net.

Thanks in advance.

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat May  3 11:21:23 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:21:23 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed vs. August Speed Weeks
References: <918131.64629.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101c8ad42$1ceadd20$6501a8c0@Glens>

Bill
Welcome to the forum. As you already know speed week is large with well over 
400 entries, I believe the entry list for the USFRA world of speed is less 
then 200. Weather is always a concern at either of the meets. Finding a 
place to stay is also a concern. The day of inspection at speed week is 
awesome with every type of vehicle and all different.

The pits are open to everyone but you can't take your vehicle in the pits as 
it's crowded and the walk around is  the best way to see and take pictures 
and meet the people.

The WOS is much more laid back where speed week is very busy the 1st 5 days. 
I am sure others will jump in here with their input. Hope you can make it 
and enjoy getting bit by the salt fever bug, the only fix is to return each 
year for a booster shot.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Waite" <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed vs. August Speed Weeks


> I'm a new subscriber to the list and would like someone to comment on the 
> differences between the "big" SCTA Speed Weeks event at Bonneville in 
> August versus the USFRA  World of Speed event in September.
>
> I will be making a trip to Utah in September and plan on spending a day at 
> he World of Speed event.  This will be my first trip to Bonneville.  I've 
> seen plenty of footage about the Speed Weeks (August) event.  Just 
> wondering how much "smaller" the World of Speed event is and how the meet 
> otherwise differs from the larger August trials.  Guess I want to have 
> realistic expectations so if you can comment on this, I'd sure appreciate 
> it.
>
> You can respond on list if you think others might be interested in this 
> info, or otherwise off list to me directly at fordlandia at sbcglobal.net.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bill Waite
> Grand Rapids, MI
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From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Sat May  3 11:24:33 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:24:33 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed vs. August Speed Weeks
In-Reply-To: <918131.64629.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <918131.64629.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <33A54C4A-A0A0-48D9-B00B-9B2C60B48B2D@nancyandjon.org>

On May 3, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Bill Waite wrote:

I'm a new subscriber to the list and would like someone to comment on  
the differences between the "big" SCTA Speed Weeks event at  
Bonneville in August versus the USFRA  World of Speed event in  
September.

I will be making a trip to Utah in September and plan on spending a  
day at he World of Speed event.  This will be my first trip to  
Bonneville.  I've seen plenty of footage about the Speed Weeks  
(August) event.  Just wondering how much "smaller" the World of Speed  
event is and how the meet otherwise differs from the larger August  
trials.  Guess I want to have realistic expectations so if you can  
comment on this, I'd sure appreciate it.

You can respond on list if you think others might be interested in  
this info, or otherwise off list to me directly at  
fordlandia at sbcglobal.net.

Thanks in advance.

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI




Bill, there are a zillion ways to tell you the difference between  
SpeedWeek and World of Speed, but if you need it boiled down to one  
or two -- SpeedWeek will have 400 or so entries, World of Speed will  
have 150 or so.  SpeedWeek is so big that there are no rooms left at  
the hotels, motels, casinos, campgrounds -- and World of Speed  
lodging is at discounted rates.

Nancy and I attend and participate at both.  I don't know if I could  
say that one or the other is a favorite, or is better -- we enjoy the  
big crowds and all of the vehicles, we enjoy the somewhat more  
personal feeling at the smaller event.

The rules and rulebooks are the same at each of those events.  The  
weather at World of Speed is a tad more likely to be poor than at  
SpeedWeek. And both places will give you a chance to catch the  
lifelong affliction called Salt Fever.  We enjoy it -- hope you do, too.


Jon , tall guy with moustache
and two 200 MPH Club hats

PS  We're in Marquette, Michigan, in the U.P.

From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Sat May  3 12:50:18 2008
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:50:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] World of Speed vs. August Speed Weeks
Message-ID: <209096.93610.qm@web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Both events are great fun. Here are some things I personally especially like about World of Speed ( http://www.saltflats.com ):

The 130 club lets you run an everyday street car between 130 and 140 mph -- you should give it a try, it is great fun. The only special gear you need is a helmet and securely mounted fire extinguisher, plus a roll bar if a convertible or T-tops.

I like how you can get close to the starting line at WoS for spectating. Since WoS only does 1 way runs this can be done safely.

I like that WoS has streamliners and fast sedans, but also some unusual vehicles. Last year had a demolition derby car, 2 electrathons, and an electric dragster. I also like that many older cars run, and things like the stock 40 hp VW bug class.

Things are pretty spread out, so I liked bringing my bicycle as a way to wander around.


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From gary_ellen at msn.com  Sat May  3 15:29:40 2008
From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 15:29:40 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Question Re. September Speed World
References: <411294.49929.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU146-DAV63878838618884ED680B9F9D50@phx.gbl>

Hi Bill, saw your post on the list. World of Speed is set up and ran quite
similarly to Speed Week.  You will see some vehicles at ours that don't go
there and vice-a-versa.  The main difference is we are a single club and SCTA
is composed of 11 to 13 (I forget) member clubs.  Speed Week and Finals are
supervised by BNI their Bonneville entity.  We use the SCTA rule book, any
records set at our event, if fastest for the year will go in the next years
rule book.   We also host our 130 club and 150 club.  The rules for these can
be found on the web site www.saltflats.com<http://www.saltflats.com/> .  It is
a way for someone to bring the 'grocery getter' or a vehicle that is running
in another race venue but not quite up to Bonneville standards, experience the
salt as a participant, and get a timing slip.  Hopefully you will become
addicted and build a race car.
Since we run in September the weather is a little cooler and you won't see as
many tourists as you do in August.  Since we don't have quite as many entrants
we run the long and short course on the same track.   Seems to work out just
fine.
The 130 mile has its' own course.
With either event you want to be there in the first few days.  As entrants run
they break or set their record and leave.
Hope this helps
Gary & Ellen Wilkinson
Utah Salt Flats Racing Association
World of Speed Sept. 17 - 20, 2008
www.saltflats.com<http://www.saltflats.com/> -See you on the Salt!

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Waite<mailto:fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
  To: usfra at saltflats.com<mailto:usfra at saltflats.com>
  Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:42 AM
  Subject: Question Re. September Speed World


  I'm planning a trip to Utah in September and would like to check out the
speed trials you are hosting 16-20th.  I've never been to Bonneville.

  I understand the Speed Weeks event in August is a "bigger" event, but I will
be there during your event in September.

  Can you tell me how the two meets differ?  Are we talking about say 25% of
the vehicles that race in August?  I'd just like to get a handle on what I can
expect versus the August meet.

  Thnaks,

  Bill Waite
  Grand Rapids, MI

From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Sat May  3 16:01:25 2008
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 22:01:25 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] RE Shoestring Timing System>From>JGMagoo
Message-ID: <050320082201.5953.481CE0B5000C746D0000174122135285730101090E030906@comcast.net>

Bobbys, 

Have you tried your nearest chapter of SCCA (Sports Car Club Of America). 

They are usually running autocross, rally and other various events and sometimes have some pretty decent timing equipment.

A large roll of wire to extend it over the distance would probably be required.   

I know Maine is the 'boondocks' but whatever the nearest SCCA club is, they should be 'very interested' in that huge patch of asphalt you've got and should be able to be enticed to participate on a trade-out basis. 

JG

From adin at frontier.net  Sat May  3 21:22:51 2008
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 21:22:51 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] f1 stuff
Message-ID: <002601c8ad96$22963c70$6501a8c0@ZTxp>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugSx3RZ6Lpw&feature=related

some f1 info

From saltfevr at q.com  Sat May  3 22:01:29 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 22:01:29 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] RE Shoestring Timing System>From>JGMagoo
In-Reply-To: <050320082201.5953.481CE0B5000C746D0000174122135285730101090E030906@comcast.net>
References: <050320082201.5953.481CE0B5000C746D0000174122135285730101090E030906@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W217E677811BCA3FCDC12F1C9D40@phx.gbl>

Bobbys;

You received a good idea from JGMagoo regarding SCCA timing equip. Maine would
be part of SCCA region 22 New England Region. I'm a Divisional SCCA
flagger/communicator here in Utah Region. Good luck with your LSR track. Heres
a SCCA link with contact tel. numbers:
http://www.scca.com/divisions.aspx?div=neTom ShannonMagna, Utah> From:
jgmagoo at comcast.net> To: land-speed at autox.team.net; bobbyhotrods at comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 22:01:25 +0000> Subject: [Land-speed] RE Shoestring
Timing System>From>JGMagoo> > Bobbys, > > Have you tried your nearest chapter
of SCCA (Sports Car Club Of America). > > They are usually running autocross,
rally and other various events and sometimes have some pretty decent timing
equipment.> > A large roll of wire to extend it over the distance would
probably be required. > > I know Maine is the 'boondocks' but whatever the
nearest SCCA club is, they should be 'very interested' in that huge patch of
asphalt you've got and should be able to be enticed to participate on a
trade-out basis. > > JG> _______________________________________________>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat May  3 19:52:13 2008
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 19:52:13 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Team.Net Spring fund drive
Message-ID: <481D16CD.5070401@bradakis.com>

Gee, the beginning days of May, usually  pleasant spring weather.
Woke up to 34 degrees F with light snow falling the other morning
here in Salt Lake City.  Nice.  Springtime indeed!

Seasoned subscribers know the drill, here's an outline for others.
The Team.Net mailing lists -  http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo
and http://www.team.net/cgi-bin/majorcool ( I'm slowly getting
around to moving all the lists from majordomo to mailman )
FTP site, archives, wiki ( http://www.team.net/the-local ) are all
run by some dweeb who spends too much time hiding out in a
basement office whacking on computers instead of working on
and driving his cars.

Basically it is a labor of love that has been going on for roughly
20 years, 17 years since the Team.Net domain was registered on
April 11, 1991.  But there are some out of pocket expenses that
are needed to keep things going.  So once or twice a year I ask
for funding assistance to help cover the costs of this "free" service.

So if you have a few extra bucks on hand and want to stimulate the
Team.Net economy, check out http://www.team.net/donate.html
for details.

Thanks,
mjb.

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sun May  4 17:56:34 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:56:34 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] 2 Club member Ron Pruett's daughter
Message-ID: <8522C0F4-2668-4174-B2DF-DCA161F2AA6E@comcast.net>

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Drag+race+driver+Leah+Pruett+LeDuc&btnG=Search

From ed at vetteracing.com  Sun May  4 22:02:49 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 04:02:49 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] RE Shoestring Timing System>From>JGMagoo
Message-ID: <W6001011168162731209960169@webmail37>

You might want to contact NASA (no, not the space-heads)They are the ones that
run the Texas Mile, but are national in scope.They might be interested in
getting involved in another venture.

Ed Van Scoy
#128 B/GT Corvette
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder




-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Shannon [mailto:saltfevr at q.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 3, 2008 09:01 PM
To: jgmagoo at comcast.net, 'land-speed-digest', bobbyhotrods at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] RE Shoestring Timing System>From>JGMagoo

Bobbys;You received a good idea from JGMagoo regarding SCCA timing equip.
Maine wouldbe part of SCCA region 22 New England Region. I'm a Divisional
SCCAflagger/communicator here in Utah Region. Good luck with your LSR track.
Heresa SCCA link with contact tel.
numbers:http://www.scca.com/divisions.aspx?div=neTom ShannonMagna, Utah>
From:jgmagoo at comcast.net> To: land-speed at autox.team.net;
bobbyhotrods at comcast.net>Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 22:01:25 +0000> Subject:
[Land-speed] RE ShoestringTiming System>From>JGMagoo> > Bobbys, > > Have you
tried your nearest chapterof SCCA (Sports Car Club Of America). > > They are
usually running autocross,rally and other various events and sometimes have
some pretty decent timingequipment.> > A large roll of wire to extend it over
the distance wouldprobably be required. > > I know Maine is the 'boondocks'
but whatever thenearest SCCA club is, they should be 'very interested' in that
huge patch ofasphalt you've got and should be able to be enticed to
participate on atrade-out basis. > > JG>
_______________________________________________

From jon.the.wise at gmail.com  Mon May  5 01:45:39 2008
From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 00:45:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] RE Shoestring Timing System>From>JGMagoo
In-Reply-To: <W6001011168162731209960169@webmail37>
References: <W6001011168162731209960169@webmail37>
Message-ID: <5f048ef70805050045p183e4349qdc1c14a24204dde1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Ed Van Scoy <ed at vetteracing.com> wrote:

> You might want to contact NASA (no, not the space-heads)


National Auto Sport Association,  for those that wondered.

From fosterap at flash.net  Mon May  5 07:08:15 2008
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 06:08:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] 2 Club member Ron Pruett's daughter
In-Reply-To: <8522C0F4-2668-4174-B2DF-DCA161F2AA6E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <953985.22103.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good article Wes........I wish I could be there for that event.
  Jerry in Dallas
  

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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Mon May  5 08:25:51 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:25:51 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville photo link
Message-ID: <6E07382D-882B-4E47-97BB-7D28053B642A@comcast.net>

http://bonneville-speed-week.smugmug.com/gallery/3619495_HSP8R#206124467_AAPEB

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Mon May  5 09:29:11 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:29:11 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville photo link
In-Reply-To: <6E07382D-882B-4E47-97BB-7D28053B642A@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16C78@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Thanks for that!

(It didn't seem to help the fever any . . . .)

David in Durango

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Wester Potter
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:26 AM
To: LAND SPEED LIST
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville photo link

http://bonneville-speed-week.smugmug.com/gallery/3619495_HSP8R#206124467
_AAPEB
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Mon May  5 14:23:04 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:23:04 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville photo link
References: <6E07382D-882B-4E47-97BB-7D28053B642A@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002d01c8aeed$d89f4d60$6501a8c0@S>

Wes -- Thanks.  Couldn't figure out who the photographer was; but I'd like
to compliment him/her on the selection of subjects, settings and
composition.  These are really nice photos from 2007 Speedweek.  Note that
this is all copyright stuff, not free public domain.  I gathered that these
particular photos are not real high resolution; 5 x 7 being the maximum
resolution they want to sell as prints.

First time encounter with this website.  Smugmug looks like an interesting
source for quality prints from their posted photos.  I just read a bit about
how it all works.  Seems like a reasonable outfit to business with.  But I
have no experience with their service or any connection with them or the
photographer.

This particular photoset shows prices around $10 each for 5x7 prints.  A bit
pricey for me unless they happened to have a pic of a particular car that
was mine or of great personal interest.  I'm, of course, speaking from the
personal viewpoint, one who has his own digital camera and makes
considerable use of it at Speedweek.  For those who are somewhat challenged
when it comes to photography but still want to frame and display some really
nice Bonneville photos, heavy on hot rod themes and roadster LSR types, one
could do worse for sources.  And by the time you got them mounted, into
quality frames and up on the wall as either small cameos, groups of pics in
one frame or collages you'd likely conclude that the seemingly high price of
the prints was consistent with the cost of the overall effort.  And the neat
thing for guys who rather spend time doing something other than framing
pictures you just take your set of prints to the local frame shop and let
them take it from there.

All this is IMHO.  Ed Weldon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>
To: "LAND SPEED LIST" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:25 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville photo link


>
http://bonneville-speed-week.smugmug.com/gallery/3619495_HSP8R#206124467_AAP
EB

From saltfever at comcast.net  Mon May  5 15:27:11 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 14:27:11 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Pit Shade
Message-ID: <001001c8aef6$c8661420$6401a8c0@dim8100>

We have all seen the shades that are perforated and let the area breathe. I
talked to someone last year who had a very large cover. He said he buys hay
covers. The problem is that all the PERFORATED covers I have seen are black
or a dark color. They do a great job of filtering the sunlight but due to
their dark color they absorb a lot of heat.  I was thinking a perforated,
light or silver colored tarp would be the best of both worlds. Has anybody
seen such material?   -Elon

From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon May  5 15:34:18 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 14:34:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Pit Shade
In-Reply-To: <001001c8aef6$c8661420$6401a8c0@dim8100>
References: <001001c8aef6$c8661420$6401a8c0@dim8100>
Message-ID: <02b301c8aef7$c8dad980$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Elon;

Those covers are black because they have a UV inhibitor added to the
plastic; this minimizes the deterioration caused by ultraviolet wavelengths
in sunlight.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Elon
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:27 PM
To: 'land-speed submit'
Subject: [Land-speed] Pit Shade

We have all seen the shades that are perforated and let the area breathe. I
talked to someone last year who had a very large cover. He said he buys hay
covers. The problem is that all the PERFORATED covers I have seen are black
or a dark color. They do a great job of filtering the sunlight but due to
their dark color they absorb a lot of heat.  I was thinking a perforated,
light or silver colored tarp would be the best of both worlds. Has anybody
seen such material?   -Elon

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon May  5 15:48:48 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:48:48 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville photo link
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I, likewise, was not aware of the photographer. But it jacks my jaws 
that someone has taken a picture of my car ans is selling it without MY 
persmission.  I do not care if he gives them away but selling something 
that I do not consider int he public domain, since I have to pay entry 
fees, to be permitted to run and the photographer had to pay at least a 
fee to be on the salt. And this photo was at the pick up area after a 
run so how did he get there? And who give the photographer permission to 
take and sell pictures. Again, without my knowledge.

mayf
Ed Weldon wrote:

>Wes -- Thanks.  Couldn't figure out who the photographer was; but I'd like
>to compliment him/her on the selection of subjects, settings and
>composition.  These are really nice photos from 2007 Speedweek.  Note that
>this is all copyright stuff, not free public domain.  I gathered that these
>particular photos are not real high resolution; 5 x 7 being the maximum
>resolution they want to sell as prints.
>
>First time encounter with this website.  Smugmug looks like an interesting
>source for quality prints from their posted photos.  I just read a bit about
>how it all works.  Seems like a reasonable outfit to business with.  But I
>have no experience with their service or any connection with them or the
>photographer.
>
>This particular photoset shows prices around $10 each for 5x7 prints.  A bit
>pricey for me unless they happened to have a pic of a particular car that
>was mine or of great personal interest.  I'm, of course, speaking from the
>personal viewpoint, one who has his own digital camera and makes
>considerable use of it at Speedweek.  For those who are somewhat challenged
>when it comes to photography but still want to frame and display some really
>nice Bonneville photos, heavy on hot rod themes and roadster LSR types, one
>could do worse for sources.  And by the time you got them mounted, into
>quality frames and up on the wall as either small cameos, groups of pics in
>one frame or collages you'd likely conclude that the seemingly high price of
>the prints was consistent with the cost of the overall effort.  And the neat
>thing for guys who rather spend time doing something other than framing
>pictures you just take your set of prints to the local frame shop and let
>them take it from there.
>
>All this is IMHO.  Ed Weldon
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net>
>To: "LAND SPEED LIST" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:25 AM
>Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville photo link
>
>
>  
>
>http://bonneville-speed-week.smugmug.com/gallery/3619495_HSP8R#206124467_AAP
>EB
>_______________________________________________

From dlodom at charter.net  Mon May  5 16:07:46 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 15:07:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Pit Shade
References: <001001c8aef6$c8661420$6401a8c0@dim8100>
Message-ID: <004801c8aefc$73c76c60$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

I have used both the white pop-up type and the black perforated type. I did 
not feel the black one was any hotter than the white pop-up. It did seem to 
not want to fly away with each breeze like the pop-up does.   Doug Odom in 
big ditch
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elon" <saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "'land-speed submit'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 2:27 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Pit Shade


> We have all seen the shades that are perforated and let the area breathe. 
> I
> talked to someone last year who had a very large cover. He said he buys 
> hay
> covers. The problem is that all the PERFORATED covers I have seen are 
> black
> or a dark color. They do a great job of filtering the sunlight but due to
> their dark color they absorb a lot of heat.  I was thinking a perforated,
> light or silver colored tarp would be the best of both worlds. Has anybody
> seen such material?   -Elon

From ifixmgs at cox.net  Mon May  5 18:15:56 2008
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:15:56 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Pit Shade
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Message-ID: <20080505201556.WYMNE.53931.imail@eastrmwml24.mgt.cox.net>

We buy the black ones for hay covers and use them in the summer in place of a solid  tarp over the 
10x20 pipe-frame pitched-roof shelters that the chickens roost in.  Even when it rains fairly hard, 
only a little gets through (I assume that it has to do with the size of the vent holes, surface 
tension and a relatively low coefficient of friction that combine to sheet water right over the 
mesh holes  )  As for the heat  issue,  I haven't had any issues problems - 12 feet up in the peak
the air does gets close to  outside air temp. But even with OAT  near 100f in August, 7 feet off the floor, 
 the interior temp in the roosting shelter rarely went above 85 with a small oscillating fan just  moving
the air around.   
Mark C 
Chesapeake VA 


> >  I was thinking a perforated, > > light or silver colored tarp would be the best of both worlds. Has anybody
> > seen such material?   -Elon
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From ed at vetteracing.com  Mon May  5 20:50:20 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 02:50:20 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Pit Shade
Message-ID: <W4015614618139571210042220@webmail25>

I have two tarps that I use on my 10 x 20 frame. Asilver one (like everyone
elses) and a tan colored mesh tarp that I gotoff Ebay (FWIW seller ID
all4canopy has just about anything you wouldwant in the realm of shade -
including mesh tarps in black,green ortan). Put their seller ID in the search
and browse thru theirstuff..... Might just find what ya need.

Ed Van Scoy
#128 B/GT Corvette
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder


-----Original Message-----
From: Elon [mailto:saltfever at comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 02:27 PM
To: ''land-speed submit''
Subject: [Land-speed] Pit Shade

We have all seen the shades that are perforated and let the area breathe.
Italked to someone last year who had a very large cover. He said he buys
haycovers. The problem is that all the PERFORATED covers I have seen are
blackor a dark color. They do a great job of filtering the sunlight but due
totheir dark color they absorb a lot of heat. I was thinking a
perforated,light or silver colored tarp would be the best of both worlds. Has
anybodyseen such material? -Elon

From jon.the.wise at gmail.com  Mon May  5 21:03:43 2008
From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:03:43 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville photo link
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 2:48 PM, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:

> I, likewise, was not aware of the photographer. But it jacks my jaws
> that someone has taken a picture of my car ans is selling it without MY
> persmission.  I do not care if he gives them away but selling something
> that I do not consider int he public domain, since I have to pay entry
> fees, to be permitted to run and the photographer had to pay at least a
> fee to be on the salt. And this photo was at the pick up area after a
> run so how did he get there? And who give the photographer permission to
> take and sell pictures. Again, without my knowledge.


Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot you can do,AFAIK, otherwise the
paparazzi business would be less lucrative for so many people. Also, with
lens tech as it is, you could take these pictures from miles away (though I
doubt that these were).


-- 
~Jon

From jon.the.wise at gmail.com  Mon May  5 21:06:46 2008
From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:06:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Pit Shade
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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Elon <saltfever at comcast.net> wrote:

> We have all seen the shades that are perforated and let the area breathe.
> I
> talked to someone last year who had a very large cover. He said he buys
> hay
> covers. The problem is that all the PERFORATED covers I have seen are
> black
> or a dark color. They do a great job of filtering the sunlight but due to
> their dark color they absorb a lot of heat.  I was thinking a perforated,
> light or silver colored tarp would be the best of both worlds. Has anybody
> seen such material?   -Elon
>

You must take into account the heat is being absorbed into the cover
material, not radiated down into the shade underneath. Though the underside
of the cover might be slightly warmer than a comparable white cover, most of
the heat will escape through the perforations, and you really shouldn't be
able to notice any difference (unless you tend to hang out in the top couple
inches of your pit tent all day)


-- 
~Jon

From turbovortec6 at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 01:08:34 2008
From: turbovortec6 at yahoo.com (Randy Will)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Pit Shade
Message-ID: <117173.89041.qm@web32108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 Well this is where i got my stuff at.

 http://www.creativeshelters.com/


Randy
No Class Racing
U/DT 4331
       
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Tue May  6 12:42:24 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:42:24 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Automatic transmission clutch disc material
References: <531612.13681.qm@web58014.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<48207184.6000000@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c8afa8$f32d7bf0$6501a8c0@S>

I have a question posed by my son, David, to help in designing a tool for
his company.  I suppose I should know this; but for too many years I've
avoided getting inside automatics.
"Is there a specific name for the paper "stacks" used in automatic
transmissions?  Apparently, today's trannys don't use it, but I know they
used to.  I am looking to get my hands on some of this stuff to act as a
friction material to drive oily glass."
Ed Weldon

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue May  6 13:21:30 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 12:21:30 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Media Passes...
Message-ID: <4820AFBA.2040108@mayfco.com>

Tis is not a bitch but a question of curiosity and some thoughts..

The photographer, Tim Scott, located in London, came to the salt 
andobtained a media pass.  Now, I have no idea what constitues the 
requirements to get such a pass and I am not in that business, but it 
seems to me that the words, MEDIA PASS, convey some kind of reporting 
function. That could either be television, or print in the form of news 
papers or magazines or what ever. Something that gets a story out to the 
public and fans. But when should a media pass be given to a person or 
company who instead of reporting uses the data  for non media reporting 
monetary gains? As I said, I don't give out the passes but it sure seems 
to me that there should be some kind of ground rules associated with 
them. Such as the use requires that free reporting actually be done! 
Like when a news team shows up and they take video or stills they 
generally make them available to the public for free over the air waves. 
Or in news print. Or magazones. Are there rules as to who gets these 
critters? Here is a scenario... what if a person with such a pass and 
with basically free access to just about anywhere took pictures of, say 
the Ford 999 H2 car and its inner workings,  last summer and then sold 
the photos to a rival company?  Seems like that could happen. All in the 
guiseof " well he had a media pass.."... In the highly competitive world 
of racing (well, no, not in my case, lol) photographs of certain 
features of a vehicle's characteristics could be sold to someone who 
could duplicate the feature.

I guess, I am wondering if there are rules of conduct placed on those 
folk who are given free passes? Such as you have to identify yourself, 
state the purpose of the photographs or video and at least get verbal 
authorization to take photos or record the video?  That just seems to be 
minimally invasive to the reporter.

By the way, I sent another message to the photographer, Tim Scott,  who 
took a lot of pictures of our vehicles and made it clear that should he 
return, he would be welcomed at my place  if he followed some very minor 
rules of conduct just like I mentioned above.  He can come to my pit and 
chat with me, tell me what he would like to take pictures of and what he 
will be doing with them and most likely I will agree to just about all 
requests. Ahead of time.

In cases where the media pass is given to a company or private 
individual who's intent is to take video, stills or what ever and sell 
them as a way of earning a living perhaps that pass should be paid for 
by the user?  And then apply the use rules or common courtesy such as 
who, what when wher and how the media will be used?

I am not against a person making a buck or two, just seems like they 
need to follow some simple rules of operation.

Just my 2 cents worth...

That doesn't seem like too much to ask does it?

mayf

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Tue May  6 13:42:27 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:42:27 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Media Passes...
References: <4820AFBA.2040108@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4820B4A2.00000A.02240@D3DP98F1>

Maybe I am way off base here, but it seems to me that anyone, media pass or
not, may take pictures and sell them if there are buyers. I have, on several
occasions, purchased pictures of my own vehicle. The person that takes the
picture may have copyright ownership of the pictures they take. This is a
public event so I don't see how anyone competing has a complaint. Over the
years, Pork Pie has given me pictures that he has taken of my car, this last
year he put them on a cd and noted that if the pictures are to be used
commercially, contact him first for permission. This seems reasonable to me.

Tom

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From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Tue May  6 13:49:46 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:49:46 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Media Passes...
In-Reply-To: <4820B4A2.00000A.02240@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB158127@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Absolutely professional and correct.  Hope old PorkPie is doing well -
haven't heard from him in  a while.

Cheers,

David in Durango

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tom Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:42 PM
To: LSR; drmayf at mayfco.com
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Media Passes...

Maybe I am way off base here, but it seems to me that anyone, media pass
or
not, may take pictures and sell them if there are buyers. I have, on
several
occasions, purchased pictures of my own vehicle. The person that takes
the
picture may have copyright ownership of the pictures they take. This is
a
public event so I don't see how anyone competing has a complaint. Over
the
years, Pork Pie has given me pictures that he has taken of my car, this
last
year he put them on a cd and noted that if the pictures are to be used
commercially, contact him first for permission. This seems reasonable to
me.

Tom

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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Tue May  6 15:59:43 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:59:43 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Media Passes...
Message-ID: <12169397.1210111183834.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

 I have, on several occasions, purchased pictures of my own vehicle. TB

I to have purchased pictures especially when they are on the course under power.  I do not have any way to get them otherwise and are glad to have them. 

A few years back a person took a photo of all the workers in front of the timing tower prior to the start of an event after all the work was done and we were ready to start the event the next morning. It would have nice to have a copy but when the person came around and wanted $15 a piece I respectivly declined and felt it was @#$%&*#$. 

Pictures of my vehicle are different as I believe it promotes our event and can benefit the SCTA. If I were lucky enough to be in a magazine or covered by one of the TV or medias I would be happy to do so and not look for any $$'s for it's use......................JD

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Tue May  6 18:28:17 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:28:17 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Media Passes...
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On May 6, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Adin, David wrote:

Absolutely professional and correct.  Hope old PorkPie is doing well -
haven't heard from him in  a while.

Cheers,

David in Durango


Yeah, you're right.  I wonder if he's one of the casualties of the  
Forum's blowup a few months ago...  He hasn't been on this list,  
either.  Maybe he's on location doing a big project -- and will be  
back soon.  We can hope so -- I don't like it when any of the folks on  
either of these venues goes away.

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue May  6 18:42:04 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:42:04 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Media Passes...
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I just sent porkpie a note to see if he is OK, hope to hear soon.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Wennerberg" <jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org>
To: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Media Passes...


> On May 6, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Adin, David wrote:
> 
> Absolutely professional and correct.  Hope old PorkPie is doing well -
> haven't heard from him in  a while.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> David in Durango
> 
> 
> Yeah, you're right.  I wonder if he's one of the casualties of the  
> Forum's blowup a few months ago...  He hasn't been on this list,  
> either.  Maybe he's on location doing a big project -- and will be  
> back soon.  We can hope so -- I don't like it when any of the folks on  
> either of these venues goes away.
> 
>       Jon Wennerberg
> Tall guy with moustache
> and a pair of 2 Club hats
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue May  6 18:44:24 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 18:44:24 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Media Passes...
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Guys,

The Bureau of Land Management has specific rules for photographs, at  
events or not, taken on any BLM managed land.

If the photographer sells the photos, post event,  they are supposed  
to get a permit from the BLM and pay a fee for the privilege of taking  
the photos.  There are exceptions for photos used for immediate media  
like newspapers and TV.  I can get  you a copy of those BLM rules if  
you are concerned.

We have had problems with some photographers who end up in the middle  
of an incident on the salt.  First of all they don't belong there and  
are not supposed to get closer to the track than the quarter mile/ 
1,000 foot mark.  Second, they hamper the work of the safety people.   
Too often they are in the middle of an investigation trying to  
determine the cause of the incident.  They are only given permission  
to be beyond the spelled out parameters if they are requested to be  
there by race officials.  Most photographers respect those rules.  The  
rule now is that  they will be escorted off the salt and denied access  
for the rest of the event if they don't comply with those  
restrictions.  Mostly it's just being respectful of the rules.

Photographers who are given permission to be beyond the starting line  
at a World of Speed event all have a day-glo orange cap with PRESS  
printed on it.  If they are not wearing it they have no reason to be  
beyond the starting line in the first place.

With the advent of digital photography and photo hosting sites on the  
web there are going to be a lot of photos out there.  We don't want to  
prevent fans from taking photos but we expect "professional"  
photographers to follow the rules.

Wes Potter
Media Relations
USFRA

On May 6, 2008, at 3:59 PM, James Tone wrote:

> I have, on several occasions, purchased pictures of my own vehicle. TB
>
> I to have purchased pictures especially when they are on the course  
> under power.  I do not have any way to get them otherwise and are  
> glad to have them.
>
> A few years back a person took a photo of all the workers in front  
> of the timing tower prior to the start of an event after all the  
> work was done and we were ready to start the event the next morning.  
> It would have nice to have a copy but when the person came around  
> and wanted $15 a piece I respectively declined and felt it was @#$ 
> %&*#$.
>
> Pictures of my vehicle are different as I believe it promotes our  
> event and can benefit the SCTA. If I were lucky enough to be in a  
> magazine or covered by one of the TV or medias I would be happy to  
> do so and not look for any $$'s for it's use......................JD
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From adin at frontier.net  Tue May  6 19:42:17 2008
From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 19:42:17 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Media Passes...
In-Reply-To: <022101c8afdb$2bf0f750$6501a8c0@Glens>
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	<022101c8afdb$2bf0f750$6501a8c0@Glens>
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Thanks Glen, seems its been a while . . .


Quoting Glen Barrett <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>:

> I just sent porkpie a note to see if he is OK, hope to hear soon.
> Glen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Wennerberg" <jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org>
> To: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
> Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Media Passes...
>
>
>> On May 6, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Adin, David wrote:
>>
>> Absolutely professional and correct.  Hope old PorkPie is doing well -
>> haven't heard from him in  a while.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> David in Durango
>>
>>
>> Yeah, you're right.  I wonder if he's one of the casualties of the
>> Forum's blowup a few months ago...  He hasn't been on this list,
>> either.  Maybe he's on location doing a big project -- and will be
>> back soon.  We can hope so -- I don't like it when any of the folks on
>> either of these venues goes away.
>>
>>       Jon Wennerberg
>> Tall guy with moustache
>> and a pair of 2 Club hats
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From webmaster at landracing.com  Tue May  6 20:52:47 2008
From: webmaster at landracing.com (Jonathan Amo)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:52:47 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Media Passes...
In-Reply-To: <022101c8afdb$2bf0f750$6501a8c0@Glens>
References: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB158127@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net><58C7C1D8-107B-4198-95AE-D97D2C77EFEE@nancyandjon.org>
	<022101c8afdb$2bf0f750$6501a8c0@Glens>
Message-ID: <CF228198C103408880C4303B063EEDB7@JonPC>

Didnt know if many people know here, but my brother Joe just got stationed 
in Germeny until mid august (military committment. He will be doing 
anethesia at the military hospital during his duration there). he has had 
contact with Pork Pie and they will be getting together while Joe is in 
Germany... Joe's wife and Kids will be going over around May 20th to see 
them.

Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>
To: "Jon Wennerberg" <jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org>; "Adin, David" 
<DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Media Passes...


>I just sent porkpie a note to see if he is OK, hope to hear soon.
> Glen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Wennerberg" <jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org>
> To: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
> Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Media Passes...
>
>
>> On May 6, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Adin, David wrote:
>>
>> Absolutely professional and correct.  Hope old PorkPie is doing well -
>> haven't heard from him in  a while.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> David in Durango
>>
>>
>> Yeah, you're right.  I wonder if he's one of the casualties of the
>> Forum's blowup a few months ago...  He hasn't been on this list,
>> either.  Maybe he's on location doing a big project -- and will be
>> back soon.  We can hope so -- I don't like it when any of the folks on
>> either of these venues goes away.
>>
>>       Jon Wennerberg
>> Tall guy with moustache
>> and a pair of 2 Club hats
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Tue May  6 23:22:55 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:22:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Pit Shade
Message-ID: <001801c8b002$6882e0d0$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Thank you to everyone that responded. Also, some great links.  -Elon

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed May  7 20:05:14 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 19:05:14 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] List is Too Quiet...Did I kill it with my griping?
Message-ID: <48225FDA.6080707@mayfco.com>

testing for list aliveness....nothing in a day or so...

mayf

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Wed May  7 20:48:31 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 02:48:31 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] List is Too Quiet...Did I kill it with my griping?
In-Reply-To: <48225FDA.6080707@mayfco.com>
References: <48225FDA.6080707@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W40A701FF7F61C3B5FF1E58D9D00@phx.gbl>

 Hi Mayf,

     - its the price of gas.... everyones taking out a loan at their credit
union to go fill up before it goes up again tomorrow morning It's ok though;
'cause our president says 'the economy is robust' but then again, you know him
and his 'bushisms' .

 maybe he just mis-pronounced the word "bust" ... but then, what the hell do I
know ?


                            c heers to ya , ' Dirt Track Doug '

                   -------------------------- oooo
---------------------------
              Wise words from the ancients   -especially in light of America's
' troubles' :




                     VULGAS VULT DECEPI   - Phaedrus

                                           (  the (common)  people wish to be
deceived  )


======================================================================


> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 19:05:14 -0700
> From: drmayf at mayfco.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] List is Too Quiet...Did I kill it with my griping?
>
> testing for list aliveness....nothing in a day or so...
>
> mayf

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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed May  7 21:39:00 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:39:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Media Passes...
Message-ID: <002201c8b0bd$11b91970$6501a8c0@S>

Fwd to list with edits.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] List is Too Quiet...Did I kill it with my griping?


> "Been away a bit but I thought I might comment on this subject since I
> helped stir it up.
> So we're here in a discussion about copyrights, freedom of expression and
> the press design, artists rights and all the related stuff.  Lots of us
have
> our opinions and they can differ a bunch.  But I think that every
subculture
> is diffferent when it comes to that sort of thing.
> Not too long ago I got into another hobby area's discussion on this
subject.
> It was a healthy debate, sometimes impassioned.  It helped frame a fairly
> good ethical framework for that hobby group with respect to the questions
at
> hand.
> We're doing the same thing here.
> What I for one see so far is that most of us don't care what use or profit
> is made from images of us, our operations or our cars.  But a few do care,
> especially when the image is used strictly for profit.  There's a lot more
> to it than that.  I'm not going to sit here and suggest entries in a "book
of
> manners".  But it seems to me that if you're going to produce a "public"
> image of someone or the machine he may have spent a good piece of his life
> building you could do worse than asking first."
> Ed Weldon
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:05 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] List is Too Quiet...Did I kill it with my griping?
>
>
> > testing for list aliveness....nothing in a day or so...
> > mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu May  8 12:14:34 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:14:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic.. Road COndition Question
Message-ID: <4823430A.1010304@mayfco.com>

Is there a web site where I can check on th einterstate raod way system 
for road conditions?

Thanks,

mayf

From kturk at ala.net  Thu May  8 12:19:00 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:19:00 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic.. Road COndition Question
References: <4823430A.1010304@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <01bb01c8b138$013e3c80$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Mayf... they are going to have road conditions all week and into the 
foreseeable future...

Very similar to the weather forecast I might add...

K ( good morning by the way ) 

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Thu May  8 12:21:30 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:21:30 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic.. Road COndition Question
References: <4823430A.1010304@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <004701c8b138$572a1600$6501a8c0@Glens>

Most states list highway conditions under the State highway patrol. Google 
road conditions for the given state.
In California the pot holes change before the ink dries so it's hard to keep 
up with,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:14 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic.. Road COndition Question


> Is there a web site where I can check on th einterstate raod way system
> for road conditions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> mayf
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu May  8 12:23:40 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:23:40 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic.. Road COndition Question
References: <4823430A.1010304@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <003301c8b138$a6955ab0$6501a8c0@S>

Mayf--
Planning your escape?
There's a nice straight road up north of Austin, NV........
Ed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic.. Road COndition Question


> Is there a web site where I can check on the interstate road way system 
> for road conditions?
> Thanks,  mayf

From mike_lackey at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 13:13:38 2008
From: mike_lackey at yahoo.com (Mike Lackey)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:13:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic.. Road COndition Question
Message-ID: <358780.23074.qm@web30002.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

State highway patrol?  I live in Washington and here it's WA DOT that provides
that info:
http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/
I know Oregon and California are the same
way.  
Try this site for links to each state's DOT:
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/trafficinfo/
Mike


----- Original Message ----
From:
Glen Barrett <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>
To: drmayf at mayfco.com; LSR
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 11:21:30 AM
Subject:
Re: [Land-speed] Off Topic.. Road COndition Question

Most states list highway
conditions under the State highway patrol. Google 
road conditions for the
given state.
In California the pot holes change before the ink dries so it's
hard to keep 
up with,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf"
<drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May
08, 2008 12:14 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic.. Road COndition Question
> Is there a web site where I can check on th einterstate raod way system
>
for road conditions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> mayf
>
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From ed at vetteracing.com  Thu May  8 13:52:26 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 19:52:26 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Turk kicks the butt (non LSR)
Message-ID: <W761751027235371210276346@webmail20>

Hey KT, here's kind of a neat calculator to keep track of the time you have been cigarette-free.......
http://www.aahistory.com/days.html

Ed Van Scoy
#128 B/GT Corvette
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu May  8 15:08:29 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 14:08:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic.. Road COndition Question
In-Reply-To: <01bb01c8b138$013e3c80$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <4823430A.1010304@mayfco.com>
	<01bb01c8b138$013e3c80$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <48236BCD.1040909@mayfco.com>

Well, dang! Must be the same guy who does our weather report!  He says 
yes we are going to have weather.
How ya doing? You are far too quiet!

mayf

Keith Turk wrote:

> Mayf... they are going to have road conditions all week and into the 
> foreseeable future...
>
> Very similar to the weather forecast I might add...
>
> K ( good morning by the way )

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu May  8 16:10:02 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:10:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic.. Road COndition Question
References: <4823430A.1010304@mayfco.com>
	<003301c8b138$a6955ab0$6501a8c0@S> <48236C6C.70300@mayfco.com>
	<004c01c8b153$8e3b44f0$6501a8c0@S> <48237691.2090409@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <005601c8b158$a4872da0$6501a8c0@S>

Tell 'em you just returned from Judge Roy Bean's country and they didn't
want any part of you down there.  Tried to hang ya and all you did was bust
a perfectly good cow rope.....
Ed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Off Topic.. Road COndition Question


Just have to take 2 rivits out and presto!
> The race car is road ready!  I'll send everyone the jail cel addy, lol...

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Sat May 10 19:27:50 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 21:27:50 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] New Landracing.com owners
Message-ID: <c8d.2131582e.3557a596@aol.com>

Check it out !... _http://www.landracing.com/_ (http://www.landracing.com/) 
 
Guess Who ?.....Good News !!
 
 
Congratulations Jon and Nancy Wennerberg !!  
 
Thank You Jon Amo !!!
 
Good to know the site is in able hands, we can stop holding our collective  
breath....
 
BOB W



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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Sat May 10 21:38:12 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 20:38:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] New Landracing.com owners
References: <c8d.2131582e.3557a596@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c8b318$70b50e40$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>

Good luck to Nancy and Jon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From ed at vetteracing.com  Sat May 10 22:31:04 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 04:31:04 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] New Landracing.com owners
Message-ID: <W7991814657133531210480264@webmail2>

Many thanks for all the time,effort and skill Jon Amo put into thissite over
the past 12 years and best of luck to Jon & Nancy in thecoming years!

Ed Van Scoy
#128 B/GT Corvette
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder


-----Original Message-----
From: BWANA343 at aol.com [mailto:BWANA343 at aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 06:27 PM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] New Landracing.com owners

Check it out !... _http://www.landracing.com/_ (http://www.landracing.com/)
Guess Who ?.....Good News !! Congratulations Jon and Nancy Wennerberg !! Thank
You Jon Amo !!! Good to know the ____________________________

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sun May 11 08:31:11 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 07:31:11 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Transition---Landracing.com
Message-ID: <4EC41D5837D84D45BAD0B35693D8D7D4@LindaPC>

Thanks,

 Jon Amo for the untold hours you have put it bringing LSR to us-----NOW--we
can only hope that the new Jon is as good as the old Jon----lol!!!!!!!  Best
wishes to the NEW Jon and his endevors!!!!!!!!

From lsrvette at yahoo.com  Sun May 11 10:22:52 2008
From: lsrvette at yahoo.com (John Staiger)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 12:22:52 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Thank you Jon
Message-ID: <011c01c8b383$4b851640$e28f42c0$@com>

Jon,

 

As someone who makes their living in the IT industry, I think I have a
unique perspective of the efforts and demands placed on you and your family
during the creation, nurturing and feeding of the Landracing.com site.
Managing a repository of opinions, thoughts, and knowledge is truly a
daunting challenge and requires many more hundreds of hours than most would
assume.  You accomplishments, trials, and successes will most likely never
fully be understood by the thousands of people who have benefited from your
efforts.   I as one of the thousands,  would like to extend my sincerest
appreciation. 

 

When I set down to pen this note, I found myself asking the question - how
have I benefited from  Landracing.com?  I was surprised when I took stock.
I have met 100s of new racers that I would otherwise most likely just walked
by on the salt sharing only a smile.  Now I know many of their thoughts,
dreams and  experience - and experiences that would otherwise come at and
incredible cost to learn.  Thank you Jon...  

 

Of the 100s of new racers I have met virtually, I have gone on to meet and
become personal friends with dozens.  Crewing these past 4-5 years with
some, assisting others, and accepting assistance from still more.  Again,
Thank you Jon.  And lastly, of the new personal friendships I have found,
one has become my friend and partner.  Again, Thank you Jon.  

 

Landracing.com and these new friendships have pushed me from a casual, work
when I can attitude on building my own car, to buying a car from another
friend of this site and restoring/upgrading it with a passion and almost
insane dedication to seeing it on the salt this August.  Every time I read
your sight the passion was renewed.  Every time read your site there was an
answer to a question or a lesson to be learned.  what more could a racer
want?  

 

Thank you Jon Amo.  May whatever awaits you next be as rewarding.

 

John Staiger

569 - Spirits of the lake

From Saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu May 15 08:19:33 2008
From: Saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:19:33 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?
Message-ID: <20080515141835.9FC8418764C@autox.team.net>

It's been 5 days.....is nobody out there?
Skip

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Thu May 15 08:28:09 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:28:09 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?
In-Reply-To: <20080515141835.9FC8418764C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB15815C@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Maybe not.  Hope everyone is safe and having fun.

David in Durango


It's been 5 days.....is nobody out there?
Skip

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Thu May 15 08:42:48 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:42:48 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?
References: <20080515141835.9FC8418764C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c8b699$f2511230$6501a8c0@Glens>

everyday
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:19 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?


> It's been 5 days.....is nobody out there?
> Skip
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From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Thu May 15 08:46:30 2008
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:46:30 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB265DB42@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

Thrashing for Maxton.

Mike M.

----- Original Message -----
From: land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.net <land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.net>
To: land-speed at autox.team.net <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu May 15 09:19:33 2008
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?

It's been 5 days.....is nobody out there?
Skip
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu May 15 08:54:52 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:54:52 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?
References: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB15815C@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c8b69b$b7a2b920$6501a8c0@S>

In a time warp while we care for a sick dachshund.
Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org>
To: "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Hello?
> Maybe not.  Hope everyone is safe and having fun. 
> David in Durango

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu May 15 08:55:22 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:55:22 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] high speed engines/tight clearances
References: <043020082147.13656.4818E903000158BB0000355822069997350101090E030906@comcast.net>
	<000c01c8ab15$934d9fe0$6501a8c0@BennsDesktop>
	<004c01c8ab30$5e52e550$6501a8c0@S> <482BAF6F.4040108@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c8b69b$b836e2d0$6501a8c0@S>

Bryan--
Sounds good on paper but I think asking an assembly robot of suitable
envelope size to hold closer than .005 is a bit much.  Build something like
that into a 200-250 degree oven and try to control temperature everywhere
and you've got a million dollar piece of equipment.
I'd opt for sealing the block coolant passageways and circulating
temperature controlled hot water through it, perhaps with the outside
surrounded with lots of insulation.  Another possibility is having the block
upside down when assembling the pistons and filling them with crushed dry
ice and 99% isopropanol to uniformly cool and shrink them to get the
necessary temperature differential.  That way the block could be kept at a
reasonable temperature for humans to work with.  This process would surely
take a lot of practice and fiddling around with temperatures; but once the
mechanics get it right it should be pretty repeatable.  Might require some
interesting assembly lubricants, especially on the pistons and pin fits.
Ed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Savage" <basavage at wildblue.net>
To: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
Cc: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>; "land-speed-digest"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] high speed engines/tight clearances
> Assembly should be simple.
> Place all parts in a large oven with a high temperature
> assembly robot.
> Start assembly program.
> Remove assembled engine.
> Install in car.
> Bryan

From kturk at ala.net  Thu May 15 09:37:20 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:37:20 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?
References: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB15815C@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
	<001c01c8b69b$b7a2b920$6501a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <004d01c8b6a1$90991300$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

I'm going to Maxton in about 15 minutes...  other then that David and I are 
finalizing our plans to get to Bville this year.... should be fun.

Keith 

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Thu May 15 09:42:36 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:42:36 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?
References: <20080515141835.9FC8418764C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <482C59EC.000004.02628@D3DP98F1>

Hello to all,

We are out here, but I have been thrashing to get ready for the lakes meet
this weekend. The car is ready to load into the trailer. Will do that later
today and then off to the dirt early Friday morning. As usual, high hopes
for some good numbers. Hope to see some of you there.

Tom, Redding CA (where it is heating up...triple digits temps in the
forecast) - #216 D/FCC

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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Thu May 15 09:45:53 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:45:53 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?
References: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB15815C@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
	<001c01c8b69b$b7a2b920$6501a8c0@S>
	<004d01c8b6a1$90991300$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <482C5AB1.000007.02628@D3DP98F1>

Keith,

What are your plans for Bonneville?

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From kturk at ala.net  Thu May 15 10:04:02 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:04:02 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re:  Hello?
References: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB15815C@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net><001c01c8b69b$b7a2b920$6501a8c0@S>
	<004d01c8b6a1$90991300$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<482C5AB1.000007.02628@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <006501c8b6a5$4e164300$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

  Looks like we are going to run the 555 again with a Vortec this time.... and
maybe remove a few covers...

  K

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From dlodom at charter.net  Thu May 15 10:46:53 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:46:53 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?
References: <20080515141835.9FC8418764C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002d01c8b6ab$47c11c40$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

I'm a nobody and I'm here.....well everybody has to be someplace. 
Doug Odom in big ditch
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:19 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?


> It's been 5 days.....is nobody out there?
> Skip

From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu May 15 15:07:41 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:07:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] high speed engines/tight clearances
Message-ID: <001001c8b6cf$b7377690$6401a8c0@dim8100>

I have been struggling with this one ever since it was posted a week ago.
Kind of sounds like something a journalism major would naively accept
without looking into it further.



If you use a coefficient of thermal expansion (CTE) of 11 millionths for
aluminum and about 5 millionths for various steels (YMMV) you get ambient
build tolerance of about .002 inches. IOW, a 3.5 in. dia. Piston will grow
about .0038in. with a 100 temp rise. A Steel or iron bore will only grow
about .0017 in. per 100 degrees. That means you could assemble a 3.5 in.
dia. piston in an 80 deg room, with as little as .0025in. bore clearance
built in. At 180 deg you are pretty close to seizing but play with the
numbers a little and you see what I mean. For a 100 deg temp rise you are
only going to loose around .002 -.0025 in clearance. Then playing with
alloys like hypereutectics will further reduce the CTE.



As Neil mentioned in the olde days we use to lap-in our two-cycle model
airplane motors. Nobody ever measured the bores, it was just the feel of the
thing. Since we were running Don Francisco's nitro laced fuel with thick,
gummy castor oil the thing sealed pretty good. I hardly think F-1 is running
pistons without rings and is using a viscous seal (gummy oil). Can you
imagine the HP robbing friction in a 19,000 RPM motor if you ran it that
way! In fact, thinking conventionally, can you just imagine how much
horsepower is lost to friction in a bore with as little as .0005 in.
clearance as suggested in the F-1 scenario!  I know little about F-1
technology but something just doesn't add up. I can see valid reasons for
assembling a complex engine hot; but bore seizing is not one of them.  -Elon



From: "Ed Weldon" 23.weldon at comcast.net

Bryan--

Sounds good on paper but I think asking an assembly robot of suitable

envelope size to hold closer than .005 is a bit much.  Build something like

that into a 200-250 degree oven and try to control temperature everywhere

and you've got a million dollar piece of equipment. (Snip . . . )

From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Thu May 15 18:50:59 2008
From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 00:50:59 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?
Message-ID: <051620080050.22816.482CDA7300008C7A0000592022070208539C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net>

You betcha! Busy building an addition here (more room for cars and tools, plus a room for the bride and a bigger one for the kid. Older, wiser....). On the 3rd 5# box of 16's in as many days....

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Skip Higginbotham <Saltrat at pahrump.com> 

> It's been 5 days.....is nobody out there? 
> Skip 
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From jdincau at qnet.com  Thu May 15 21:19:17 2008
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:19:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] question for Jack Costella
Message-ID: <4B65C1AA6BC341ED8BC7082E6436D773@denpc>

Jack,
     How many plys and what materials do you use on your fiberglass bodies?
Jim Dincau 

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat May 17 08:18:45 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 08:18:45 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Busy week end
Message-ID: <001b01c8b828$eaefb600$6501a8c0@Glens>

Lots going on, El Mirage, Maxton, NHRA and Indy qualifying. Hope we can get
some results from the lakes and Maxton tonight. It won't be long and we will
be off to the salt. Time is like a roll of toilet paper, the closer to the end
the shorter it is. Lots to do, have a safe and fast week end.

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Sat May 17 14:43:55 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 20:43:55 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Busy week end
In-Reply-To: <001b01c8b828$eaefb600$6501a8c0@Glens>
References: <001b01c8b828$eaefb600$6501a8c0@Glens>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W34F3B2E710041B015314EED9CB0@phx.gbl>

      -and I gots me a flat track race to ride to in an hour or so...
life  is good                   (well,..sorta)




     c heers to ya , ' Dirt Track Doug '
        -22 miles from Square Deal Raceway,
        -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway,
        -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway
       -105 miles south of   'the Syracuse Mile' ...
       -262 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway
       -2225 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats
                but never more than a few feet from a cold one
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------
              Wise words from the ancients   -especially in light of America's
' troubles' :




                     VULGAS VULT DECEPI   - Phaedrus

                                           (  the (common)  people wish to be
deceived  )



> From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 08:18:45 -0600
> Subject: [Land-speed] Busy week end
>
> Lots going on, El Mirage, Maxton, NHRA and Indy qualifying. Hope we can get
> some results from the lakes and Maxton tonight. It won't be long and we
will
> be off to the salt. Time is like a roll of toilet paper, the closer to the
end
> the shorter it is. Lots to do, have a safe and fast week end.
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun May 18 18:06:35 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:06:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello?
In-Reply-To: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB15815C@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
References: <20080515141835.9FC8418764C@autox.team.net>
	<37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB15815C@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <032601c8b944$370d43b0$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Well, Joline & I were in San Francisco for a week on vacation and away from
the Internet. Now it's back to work on the car.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Adin, David
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:28 AM
To: Skip Higginbotham; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Hello?

Maybe not.  Hope everyone is safe and having fun.

David in Durango


It's been 5 days.....is nobody out there?
Skip
Land-speed mailing list

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From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun May 18 18:09:10 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:09:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] high speed engines/tight clearances
In-Reply-To: <001d01c8b69b$b836e2d0$6501a8c0@S>
References: <043020082147.13656.4818E903000158BB0000355822069997350101090E030906@comcast.net><000c01c8ab15$934d9fe0$6501a8c0@BennsDesktop><004c01c8ab30$5e52e550$6501a8c0@S>
	<482BAF6F.4040108@wildblue.net> <001d01c8b69b$b836e2d0$6501a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <032701c8b944$9273b3b0$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Bryan, Ed;

It's a lot easier to work with liquid nitrogen to cool parts than it is to
heat other parts in an oven.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Ed Weldon
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:55 AM
To: Bryan Savage
Cc: land-speed-digest
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] high speed engines/tight clearances

Bryan--
Sounds good on paper but I think asking an assembly robot of suitable
envelope size to hold closer than .005 is a bit much.  Build something like
that into a 200-250 degree oven and try to control temperature everywhere
and you've got a million dollar piece of equipment.
I'd opt for sealing the block coolant passageways and circulating
temperature controlled hot water through it, perhaps with the outside
surrounded with lots of insulation.  Another possibility is having the block
upside down when assembling the pistons and filling them with crushed dry
ice and 99% isopropanol to uniformly cool and shrink them to get the
necessary temperature differential.  That way the block could be kept at a
reasonable temperature for humans to work with.  This process would surely
take a lot of practice and fiddling around with temperatures; but once the
mechanics get it right it should be pretty repeatable.  Might require some
interesting assembly lubricants, especially on the pistons and pin fits.
Ed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Savage" <basavage at wildblue.net>
To: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
Cc: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>; "land-speed-digest"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] high speed engines/tight clearances
> Assembly should be simple.
> Place all parts in a large oven with a high temperature
> assembly robot.
> Start assembly program.
> Remove assembled engine.
> Install in car.
> Bryan

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun May 18 18:12:06 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:12:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] high speed engines/tight clearances
In-Reply-To: <001001c8b6cf$b7377690$6401a8c0@dim8100>
References: <001001c8b6cf$b7377690$6401a8c0@dim8100>
Message-ID: <032801c8b944$fb07b480$0200a8c0@DBTech>

The smell of castor oil and nitro was pure heaven!

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ



-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Elon
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:08 PM
To: 'land-speed submit'
Subject: [Land-speed] high speed engines/tight clearances

I have been struggling with this one ever since it was posted a week ago.
Kind of sounds like something a journalism major would naively accept
without looking into it further.



If you use a coefficient of thermal expansion (CTE) of 11 millionths for
aluminum and about 5 millionths for various steels (YMMV) you get ambient
build tolerance of about .002 inches. IOW, a 3.5 in. dia. Piston will grow
about .0038in. with a 100 temp rise. A Steel or iron bore will only grow
about .0017 in. per 100 degrees. That means you could assemble a 3.5 in.
dia. piston in an 80 deg room, with as little as .0025in. bore clearance
built in. At 180 deg you are pretty close to seizing but play with the
numbers a little and you see what I mean. For a 100 deg temp rise you are
only going to loose around .002 -.0025 in clearance. Then playing with
alloys like hypereutectics will further reduce the CTE.



As Neil mentioned in the olde days we use to lap-in our two-cycle model
airplane motors. Nobody ever measured the bores, it was just the feel of the
thing. Since we were running Don Francisco's nitro laced fuel with thick,
gummy castor oil the thing sealed pretty good. I hardly think F-1 is running
pistons without rings and is using a viscous seal (gummy oil). Can you
imagine the HP robbing friction in a 19,000 RPM motor if you ran it that
way! In fact, thinking conventionally, can you just imagine how much
horsepower is lost to friction in a bore with as little as .0005 in.
clearance as suggested in the F-1 scenario!  I know little about F-1
technology but something just doesn't add up. I can see valid reasons for
assembling a complex engine hot; but bore seizing is not one of them.  -Elon



From: "Ed Weldon" 23.weldon at comcast.net

Bryan--

Sounds good on paper but I think asking an assembly robot of suitable

envelope size to hold closer than .005 is a bit much.  Build something like

that into a 200-250 degree oven and try to control temperature everywhere

and you've got a million dollar piece of equipment. (Snip . . . )

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sun May 18 19:45:32 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:45:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] high speed engines/tight clearances
References: <043020082147.13656.4818E903000158BB0000355822069997350101090E030906@comcast.net><000c01c8ab15$934d9fe0$6501a8c0@BennsDesktop><004c01c8ab30$5e52e550$6501a8c0@S>
	<482BAF6F.4040108@wildblue.net> <001d01c8b69b$b836e2d0$6501a8c0@S>
	<032701c8b944$9273b3b0$0200a8c0@DBTech>
Message-ID: <000601c8b952$092a8ee0$6501a8c0@S>

Neil --
Sure, liquid nitrogen is the favored industrial material.  I kind of figured
it might produce too much vapor and make it hard to see the parts during
assembly.  Also there might be some worry about the much lower temperature
creating mechanical or metallurgical issues.
When I was a kid the dry ice and alcohol technique was the recommended
method for installing new valve seats in V8 flatheads.  I did it myself
once.  There was always some ice dealer in most big towns that would sell a
block of dry ice for a buck or so.  And alcohol antifreeze was a regular
product in the auto parts stores and many gas stations.
But back then few people knew about liquid nitrogen I guess unless you were
involved with atomic energy or something else exotic.
Ed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: "'Ed Weldon'" <23.weldon at comcast.net>; "'Bryan Savage'"
<basavage at wildblue.net>
Cc: "'land-speed-digest'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: RE: [Land-speed] high speed engines/tight clearance
> Bryan, Ed;
> It's a lot easier to work with liquid nitrogen to cool parts than it is to
> heat other parts in an oven.
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Ed Weldon
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:55 AM
> To: Bryan Savage
> Cc: land-speed-digest
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] high speed engines/tight clearances
> Bryan--
> ........snip............
> Another possibility is having the block
> upside down when assembling the pistons and filling them with crushed dry
> ice and 99% isopropanol to uniformly cool and shrink them to get the
> necessary temperature differential.  That way the block could be kept at a
> reasonable temperature for humans to work with.  .........snip.........
> Ed

From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Mon May 19 19:09:26 2008
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 01:09:26 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Minature Ardun V-8>From>JGMagoo
Message-ID: <052020080109.15658.483224C60003027A00003D2A22092299270101090E030906@comcast.net>

Guy in Denver, Colorado is building a miniature Ardun V-8

http://www.fordbarn.com/earlyv8/forum03/membersarticles/miniardun/
Clickable link 

From zoombot at cox.net  Tue May 20 15:17:44 2008
From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:17:44 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Montana Land Speed Racers in print
Message-ID: <000b01c8babe$f1da0950$13f96744@HomePC>

    List -

    Perhaps someone posted a link to this newspaper article about LSR folks
from the great state of Montana. If they did, I missed it. Enjoy!

    http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/05/18/news/state/20-speedrac
ers.txt

    - Chris Pile aka aircap

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue May 20 23:05:10 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:05:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Kinda On Topic
Message-ID: <4833AD86.1030906@mayfco.com>

I had a mind altering experience this afternoon. I bacame dizzy almost 
to the point of fainting..my wife went ou tto the mail box, we get our 
junk mail here at teh house, and brought it in. There amongst the junk 
were two catalogs... a beautiful full color Victoria's Secret and a 
Jegs....  what to do...what to do...

ya'll know which one I picked up to look at don't ya..

what a choice!

mayf

From jon.the.wise at gmail.com  Tue May 20 23:09:05 2008
From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:09:05 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Kinda On Topic
In-Reply-To: <4833AD86.1030906@mayfco.com>
References: <4833AD86.1030906@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <5f048ef70805202209u592079b4q71c35b3753ef0f6f@mail.gmail.com>

The Jegs, of course, because you can look at the Victoria's Secret all you
want, but you can't order them spiffy models.

~Jon

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:05 PM, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:

> I had a mind altering experience this afternoon. I bacame dizzy almost
> to the point of fainting..my wife went ou tto the mail box, we get our
> junk mail here at teh house, and brought it in. There amongst the junk
> were two catalogs... a beautiful full color Victoria's Secret and a
> Jegs....  what to do...what to do...
>
> ya'll know which one I picked up to look at don't ya..
>
> what a choice!
>
> mayf
> __

From lsr1301 at dahmurf.com  Wed May 21 01:35:34 2008
From: lsr1301 at dahmurf.com (DahMurf)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 03:35:34 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Kinda On Topic
In-Reply-To: <5f048ef70805202209u592079b4q71c35b3753ef0f6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PKEAJDAKJMECPJDGNLFLEEGJEGAA.lsr1301@dahmurf.com>

LMAO!!! Y'all are too funny!

Debbie Dross #1302
Twin Jugs Racing
ECTA 200 MPH club
"Naked on Nitrous"

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+td=twinjugs.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+td=twinjugs.com at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
Jonathan
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:09 AM
To: LandSpeed
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Kinda On Topic


The Jegs, of course, because you can look at the Victoria's Secret all you
want, but you can't order them spiffy models.

~Jon

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:05 PM, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:

> I had a mind altering experience this afternoon. I bacame dizzy almost
> to the point of fainting..my wife went ou tto the mail box, we get our
> junk mail here at teh house, and brought it in. There amongst the junk
> were two catalogs... a beautiful full color Victoria's Secret and a
> Jegs....  what to do...what to do...
>
> ya'll know which one I picked up to look at don't ya..
>
> what a choice!
>
> mayf
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From Joetimney at dol.net  Wed May 21 05:56:01 2008
From: Joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 07:56:01 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Kinda On Topic
In-Reply-To: <4833AD86.1030906@mayfco.com>
References: <4833AD86.1030906@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <48340DD1.60607@dol.net>

Dirty old man... of course it was the Jeg's!!! LOL
joe

drmayf wrote:
> I had a mind altering experience this afternoon. I bacame dizzy almost 
> to the point of fainting..my wife went ou tto the mail box, we get our 
> junk mail here at teh house, and brought it in. There amongst the junk 
> were two catalogs... a beautiful full color Victoria's Secret and a 
> Jegs....  what to do...what to do...
> 
> ya'll know which one I picked up to look at don't ya..
> 
> what a choice!
> 
> mayf
> _______________________________________________

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Wed May 21 08:47:23 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 07:47:23 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Kinda On Topic
Message-ID: <3943679.1211381243842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

What Jeg's catalog?????????????

>
>Dirty old man... of course it was the Jeg's!!! LOL
>joe
>>> ya'll know which one I picked up to look at don't ya..

From dlodom at charter.net  Wed May 21 09:23:36 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 08:23:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drain holes/louvers
Message-ID: <002501c8bb56$a44e8510$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Here I go thinking again......Drain holes in the bottom of a flat alumium
belly pan. What would be wrong with putting louvers in upside down and
backwards to drain any overflow and heat from the engine compartment?   Would
that help with a venturi effect?   Would the air under the car have less
disturbance?

Doug Odom in big ditch   72* today

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Wed May 21 12:18:47 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:18:47 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Kinda On Topic
In-Reply-To: <4833AD86.1030906@mayfco.com>
References: <4833AD86.1030906@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <11992468020541C99C514403D4F5EAD0@LindaPC>

Lusting after speed parts is understandable---looking through a Victoria 
Secrets if fron of your wife might have gotten more than just your mind 
altered---like you head with a frying pan!!!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Victoria's Secret and a  Jegs....  what to do...what to do...
>
> ya'll know which one I picked up to look at don't ya..
>
> what a choice!
>
> mayf

From saltfever at comcast.net  Wed May 21 13:02:31 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:02:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drain holes/Louvers
Message-ID: <000501c8bb75$39649540$6501a8c0@dim8100>

Anything that disturbs laminar flow and causes turbulence will add drag. But
the air under there is already turbulent so does either choice make any
difference? My guess is the louvers would add more drag but a simple
experiment may be a lot of fun. Put some holes in an aluminum sheet and glue
1-3 in. tuffs of yarn downstream of the holes. Take the fan you have in the
shop and direct it across the flat surface. Experiment with raising or
lowering the fan height on the metal edge. Notice the action of the yarn.
You could even record it for slow-mo play back if you wanted.  Then punch
some louvers and do the same thing. The feature with the least amount of
turbulent action produces the least drag. Even by recording the action; the
test may be inconclusive or misleading because of the interaction of the
ground at speed. Without sensitive scales in a wind tunnel the results won't
be quantitative.  But hey, if the test is NOT your kind of FUN pick up a
Victoria Secrete instead!   -Elon





From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>

What would be wrong with putting louvers in upside down and backwards to
drain any overflow and heat from the engine compartment?   Would that help
with a venturi effect?   Would the air under the car have less

disturbance?

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Wed May 21 14:19:17 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:19:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Drain holes/louvers
In-Reply-To: <002501c8bb56$a44e8510$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <002501c8bb56$a44e8510$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <20080521201845.9A3A51878A9@autox.team.net>

Doug,
Nothing wrong with your idea. I might put a lot of them to help 
evacuate the inside of the fuselage. Aero guys have a fit about air 
flowing inside the fuselage though!
You could put a NACA inlet backwards and air disturbance would be 
minimized or you could do what I did and drill a 1 1/4" hole under 
the flywheel and not worry about it. ( I have a second one back by 
the rearend).
Skip



At 08:23 AM 5/21/2008, Doug Odom wrote:
>Here I go thinking again......Drain holes in the bottom of a flat alumium
>belly pan. What would be wrong with putting louvers in upside down and
>backwards to drain any overflow and heat from the engine compartment?   Would
>that help with a venturi effect?   Would the air under the car have less
>disturbance?
>
>Doug Odom in big ditch   72* today
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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Wed May 21 18:08:27 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:08:27 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Kinda On Topic
Message-ID: <ccc.327c1fd1.3566137b@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/21/2008 8:04:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
Joetimney at dol.net writes:

a  beautiful full color Victoria's Secret and a 
> Jegs....  what to  do...what to do...



Isn't there a "Jugs" magazine ? I think it's about cylinders or pistons  
or...........
Anyhoo, would save you some valuable decision time  pre head, and is a  
potential tax deduction for The Biz.
Boob W



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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Wed May 21 18:52:24 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:52:24 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] El Mirage
Message-ID: <4834C3C8.000009.03604@HOME>

We did make the trip to El Mirage this week end. Although we didn't do as
well as we had hoped, the race course could not be blamed. I don't think
that I have seen a better racing surface on the dirt. The high HP cars
breaking traction were leaving black marks on the dirt rather than tearing
up the course. My story is available on my web site www.bryantauto.com/salt
html.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Wed May 21 23:16:36 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 01:16:36 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Dropout setup
Message-ID: <002b01c8bbcb$022dcb90$466a2544@john>

I'm setting up the 2.29 gears in my Strange dropout 12 bolt . As anybody who
has run a dropout with 2 series gears knows , to get the pinion out you need
to remove the front bearing and cock it to one side which means you need a
slip fit bearing . Precision Gear sells what they call set up bearings that
slip on . Would one of these work as the front bearing of Should I clearance
my Timken bearing ?

John

From NT788 at comcast.net  Thu May 22 09:39:39 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:39:39 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] question for Jack Costella
Message-ID: <052220081539.8320.483593BB00064FF9000020802215575474C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

Hi Jim
 When laying up a female mold, I use 12mils of gel coat, then the least expensive polyester "gun"  resin and 3oz. of fiberglass mat..I sometimes reinforce critical areas with a little core mat.
Thanks Jack
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jim Dincau" <jdincau at qnet.com>
> Jack,
>      How many plys and what materials do you use on your fiberglass bodies?
> Jim Dincau 
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:42:21 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Check out SpeedTrap Exchange
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From rgg14 at cox.net  Thu May 22 21:20:27 2008
From: rgg14 at cox.net (rgg14 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 23:20:27 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Kinda LSR
Message-ID: <20080522232027.ZH58G.11254.imail@eastrmwml40>

Can anyone tell me what month of Popular Hot Rodding was Bonneville Speed Week covered in 1981? Or better yet does anyone have a copy of that month they would sell me? I crewed with Al when he set the lakester record and lost my only copy of PHR. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Ron Gibson, Omaha NE

From wolcott_jl at yahoo.com  Fri May 23 16:30:54 2008
From: wolcott_jl at yahoo.com (Joel Wolcott)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:30:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Memorial Day
Message-ID: <973353.16727.qm@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wishing everyone a safe holiday.  Rembering why we observe the last Monday in
May.  Honoring those who have gone before us in service to our country.  God
Bless you and God keep you.
Although no sculptured marble should rise to their
memory, nor engraved stone bear record of their deeds, yet will their
remembrance be as lasting as the land they honored.  ~Daniel Webster
Joel

From saltfevr at q.com  Fri May 23 20:33:52 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 20:33:52 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] (non lsr) CHP vs Marines
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References: <708833.91793.qm@web53001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W198A3F0D10689834A870D2C9C00@phx.gbl>

List: Everyone have a safe Memorial Day and think of those who gave all.Tom
ShannonMagna, Utah








                       CHP vs. USMC








Top this for a speeding ticket

Two California Highway Patrol Officers were conducting speeding enforcement on
I-15, just north of the Marine Corps Air Station at Miramar , California . One
of the officers was using a hand held radar device to check speeding vehicles
approaching the crest of a hill.

The officers were suddenly surprised when the radar gun began reading 300
miles per hour. The officer attempted to reset the radar gun, but it would not
reset and then turned off.

Just then a deafening roar over the treetops revealed that the radar had in
fact locked on to a USMC F/A -18 Hornet which was engaged in a low flying
exercise near the location.

Back at the CHP Headquarters the Patrol Captain fired off a complaint to the
USMC Base Commander. The reply came back in true USMC style:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---

Thank you for your letter. We can now complete the file on this incident.

You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Hornet had
detected the presence of, and subsequently locked on to, your hostile radar
equipment and automatically sent a jamming signal back to it, which is why it
shut down.

Furthermore, an Air-to-Ground missile aboard the fully armed aircraft had also
automatically locked on to your equipment location.

Fortunately, the Marine Pilot flying the Hornet recognized the situation for
what it was, quickly responded to the missile system alert status and was able
to override the automated defense system before the missile was launched to
destroy the hostile radar position.

The pilot also suggests you cover your mouths when cussing at them, since the
video systems on these jets are very high tech. Sergeant Johnson, the officer
holding the radar gun, should get his dentist to check his left rear molar. It
appears the filling is loose. Also, the snap is broken on his holster.

Thank you for your concern.
Semper Fi.



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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Fri May 23 20:57:40 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 02:57:40 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Memorial Day
In-Reply-To: <973353.16727.qm@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <973353.16727.qm@web30105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W41637A3B8B78377255D6ACD9C00@phx.gbl>

            AMEN  Joel...

       God  BLESS  America  ,  -' Dirt Track Doug '
        -22 miles from Square Deal Raceway,
        -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway,
        -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway
       -105 miles south of   'the Syracuse Mile' ...
       -262 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway
       -2225 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats
                but never more than a few feet from a cold one
-------------------------- oooo ---------------------------



> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:30:54 -0700
> From: wolcott_jl at yahoo.com
> To: ECTALSR at yahoogroups.com; land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] Memorial Day
>
> Wishing everyone a safe holiday.  Rembering why we observe the last Monday
in
> May.  Honoring those who have gone before us in service to our country.
God
> Bless you and God keep you.
> Although no sculptured marble should rise to their
> memory, nor engraved stone bear record of their deeds, yet will their
> remembrance be as lasting as the land they honored.  ~Daniel Webster
> Joel
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From v4gr at rcn.com  Tue May 27 21:31:27 2008
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 20:31:27 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Stacks
Message-ID: <002301c8c073$500ab470$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Glen; As could be expected, I didn't update my address book and the picture of
the stacks came back. Email me at V4GR at rcn.com and I'll get it right.  F

From karhu at california.com  Wed May 28 10:51:39 2008
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:51:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] roof flaps
Message-ID: <000601c8c0e3$19789060$6501a8c0@BennsDesktop>

Anyone have a sense of how tricky the design of roof flaps is?  Specifically,
wondering if I might incorporate them into my MR2.  It would be nice to keep
the shiny side up if the car spun at speed.  I'm pretty ignorant about these
and how they work.   I assume they must be positioned exactly right on the
roofline to both stay shut during forward motion and open readily as the yaw
angle gets to the critical point.  Thoughts?

Benn

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Wed May 28 11:01:36 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:01:36 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] roof flaps
In-Reply-To: <000601c8c0e3$19789060$6501a8c0@BennsDesktop>
References: <000601c8c0e3$19789060$6501a8c0@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <54A16F41-D53E-47E6-B593-A604BEE2E3C5@nancyandjon.org>

On May 28, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Benn wrote:

Anyone have a sense of how tricky the design of roof flaps is?   
Specifically,
wondering if I might incorporate them into my MR2.  It would be nice  
to keep
the shiny side up if the car spun at speed.  I'm pretty ignorant  
about these
and how they work.   I assume they must be positioned exactly right  
on the
roofline to both stay shut during forward motion and open readily as  
the yaw
angle gets to the critical point.  Thoughts?

Benn


Benn, go to landracing.com and search -- there's been a good bit of  
discussion on roof flaps.  Also consider going to Sumner Patterson's  
site (www.purplesagetradingpost.com) and start clicking around.  I  
think he has some roof flap-specific information on there, too.

Jon , tall guy with moustache
and two 200 MPH Club hats

From jdincau at qnet.com  Wed May 28 11:06:07 2008
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:06:07 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] roof flaps
In-Reply-To: <000601c8c0e3$19789060$6501a8c0@BennsDesktop>
References: <000601c8c0e3$19789060$6501a8c0@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <0EC28FC7FBCB4E53B77560F36CC198B4@denpc>

here are some pictures

http://www.speedtv.com/cutaway/



> Anyone have a sense of how tricky the design of roof flaps is? 
> Specifically,
> wondering if I might incorporate them into my MR2.  It would be nice to 
> keep
> the shiny side up if the car spun at speed.  I'm pretty ignorant about 
> these
> and how they work.   I assume they must be positioned exactly right on the
> roofline to both stay shut during forward motion and open readily as the 
> yaw
> angle gets to the critical point.  Thoughts?
>
> Benn

From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu May 29 00:34:02 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:34:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] roof flaps
Message-ID: <007e01c8c155$fdf238f0$6501a8c0@dim8100>

Benn I have been interested in the same thing. I measured the angle on a
NASCAR car on display. It was 45 degrees to the longitudinal line of the
car.  -Elon 

 

From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>

Anyone have a sense of how tricky the design of roof flaps is?  Snip. I
assume they must be positioned exactly right on theroofline to both stay
shut during forward motion and open readily as the yaw angle gets to the
critical point.  Thoughts?

From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 29 06:50:58 2008
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 05:50:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] roof flaps
In-Reply-To: <007e01c8c155$fdf238f0$6501a8c0@dim8100>
Message-ID: <792802.76460.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There is a little more info at this link:
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/nascar-safety2.htm
 and you can buy a used one here (no affiliation) if you want a "real life" template:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nascar-Roof-Flap_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ107060QQihZ002QQitemZ120181475709

Bill 


Elon <saltfever at comcast.net> wrote: Benn I have been interested in the same thing. I measured the angle on a
NASCAR car on display. It was 45 degrees to the longitudinal line of the
car.  -Elon 

 

From: "Benn" 

Anyone have a sense of how tricky the design of roof flaps is?  Snip. I
assume they must be positioned exactly right on theroofline to both stay
shut during forward motion and open readily as the yaw angle gets to the
critical point.  Thoughts?
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu May 29 22:45:15 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:45:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Piano Hinge
Message-ID: <000a01c8c20f$f5592fe0$6401a8c0@dim8100>

When you hang around Bonneville you see a lot of creativity. You also see
some wonderful parts and  beautiful craftsmanship. One common feature is
aerodynamic trap doors and other forms of hinged devices. Often, a piano
hinge is used. This link is a neat and simple way of laying out what would
appear to be a tedious task for hole spacing on a piano hinge.  EAA is
Experimental Aircraft Association (i.e., Home built aircraft). Warning . . .
there are other fabrication videos so plan your time in advance . . . enjoy.
-Elon

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1431564069/bclid1432781645/bct
id1454906796

From mactem at mebtel.net  Fri May 30 04:26:03 2008
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 06:26:03 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed]  Piano Hinge
Message-ID: <005701c8c23f$917d1100$0200a8c0@brightstar>

Thanks Elon.  

David

From kturk at ala.net  Fri May 30 11:58:31 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:58:31 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Hey I saw JD Tone in the Deep South...
Message-ID: <001001c8c27e$c7bc66a0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

well he was at my shop anyway..... and we had the nicest visit...  Thanks for
coming JD...

K

From john.szalay at att.net  Fri May 30 12:25:22 2008
From: john.szalay at att.net (John Szalay)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:25:22 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Goose neck trailer
Message-ID: <844FB6F672E14B5A916E1F35ABA6256A@531W>

Don't remember who,
 but someone on the list was looking for a used large gooseneck car trailer.

local lot has one,  can provide phone number if still interested.

     John
Louisville Ky.

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Fri May 30 12:25:25 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:25:25 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Hey I saw JD Tone in the Deep South...
In-Reply-To: <001001c8c27e$c7bc66a0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <001001c8c27e$c7bc66a0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <3CA50D5E-D58F-40A2-A73A-A666DA54A4AC@nancyandjon.org>

On May 30, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Keith Turk wrote:

well he was at my shop anyway..... and we had the nicest visit...   
Thanks for
coming JD...

K
__


Tell me, Keith -- was he pining for his old Bonneville job (portable  
toilet king) back?  Was he sad that he's let it go to me?  It's not  
that I want to give it up, but if he's all broken up about it I might  
let him help a little bit. . .

Jon , tall guy with moustache
and two 200 MPH Club hats

From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri May 30 15:41:42 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:41:42 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Piano Hinge
In-Reply-To: <000a01c8c20f$f5592fe0$6401a8c0@dim8100>
References: <000a01c8c20f$f5592fe0$6401a8c0@dim8100>
Message-ID: <004701c8c29d$f85c1f20$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Thanks for that link, Elon. That site is a treasure.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


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Elon
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:45 PM
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Subject: [Land-speed] Piano Hinge

When you hang around Bonneville you see a lot of creativity. You also see
some wonderful parts and  beautiful craftsmanship. One common feature is
aerodynamic trap doors and other forms of hinged devices. Often, a piano
hinge is used. This link is a neat and simple way of laying out what would
appear to be a tedious task for hole spacing on a piano hinge.  EAA is
Experimental Aircraft Association (i.e., Home built aircraft). Warning . . .
there are other fabrication videos so plan your time in advance . . . enjoy.
-Elon

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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sat May 31 05:52:06 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 05:52:06 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Racin'   -and you and TV today and tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <BAY135-W27E6E143A2FDCB82D7BD15D9B90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY135-W27E6E143A2FDCB82D7BD15D9B90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D3BA463B-E018-4370-A864-BB7F0EF3F886@comcast.net>

Doug,

Is that young lady flashing some kind of signal with her right hand
that she is only allowing that hug because she was forced into it?
The racing looks fun, the ride in 40 degree cold doesn't sound fun at
all.

You can watch the World Superbike motorcycle races from Miller
Motorsports Park on your TV this weekend.  First stop in the US in
four years.  Estimates of the total TV audience are over 100 million
viewers.  Tom Shannon is flagging out there and it w3ill be
interesting to see what his take is on the whole BIG circus.

Wes


On May 30, 2008, at 11:21 PM, Doug Anderson wrote:

>
> Yeah new seat.   what'cha think ?
>
> they are $499 new,  I got this for $330 including shipping -in a
> weeks time from Mass.
>
> It seems to be 3/4' lower to the ground, and a little narrower -a
> good thing.
> Backrest will no doubt, come in very handy 'when I get old' -'er
>
> I seem to have overworked an inner thigh/groin muscle last Sunday
> riding home the 64 miles
> from the M/C races in Owego, NY in 40 degree air -goin' 75 at 1AM
>
> -I was cold, tired and wore down from walking all over the place at
> the racetrack all night long
>
>    - ow.
>
> Sure hope it goes away.  And soon.   Been takin' Ibuprophen for it...
>
> Other shots attached;  taken Sunday night @ Champion Speedway.
>
> A great night of racing.
>
>
> coming right up:
>
> Sat.  June 7  trip to Pa. to visit EMMR,  camp, & see 410 Sprints at
> Lincoln, then,
> Sun.  June 8  the Freemansburg Hillclimb with Tommy Hockman
>
>
> Sat.  June 14  Northeast region Antique M/C Club of America meet @
> Rhinebeck
>
>     -with Brian Dolin    -and you ????
>
>             I be ridin' there ....   -you meetin' me ?
>      c heers to ya , ' Dirt Track Doug '
>
>         -22 miles from Square Deal Raceway,
>         -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway,
>         -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway
>        -105 miles south of   'the Syracuse Mile' ...
>        -262 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway
>        -2225 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats
>                 but never more than a few feet from a cold one
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     Speedway Bikes, Minibikes  and Harley- D's rode with equal joy,
>             Dog Training,  Murdersickle Parts,  Emergency Airship
> repair,
>                Hot Air,  Hot Blues, Cold Beer,  Fast Cars,  an' Warm
> Willin' Wimin'
>                 Aerial Surveillance,  Corrupt Politicians exposed,
> Midgets,  Sprint Cars,
>
>                                       -and 'Slide Jobs'
> appreciated  for the  FINE ART    that they are
>
>
>
>
> Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the im Initiative from
> Microsoft.
> <New seat Mustang no.79102 -R side .JPG><New seat Mustang no.79102
> Right rear .JPG><New seat Mustang no.79102 no backrest .JPG><New
> seat Mustang no.79102 .JPG><mustang 79102 seat w backrest
> LS .JPG><DTD babe alert  .JPG><holy smokes here they
> come .JPG><Battlescar Bradley .JPG><Finals lineup .JPG>

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sat May 31 08:06:24 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 10:06:24 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] OT for the LSR mailing list but Neat!!!
Message-ID: <0E056D45003C4E05B12DE1F0FDB864F2@DaveSatellite>

      Home made B-29

              This aircraft runs on four chainsaw motors.  You can just
imagine how much time, effort, skill and money these guys have put into this
thing. Click on the site below.


      http://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv

From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Sat May 31 11:05:11 2008
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:05:11 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Fabulous Bonneville History Clips>From>JGMagoo
Message-ID: <053120081705.1059.48418547000AAC700000042322007507440101090E030906@comcast.net>

Set aside almost an hour for this.  I think you'll find it worth it!

Some great Bonneville History and great footage of early hot rodding. 

definitely with sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zilevreAzoE           oart 1 of 6


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Job736g6OW0       part 2 of 6


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfDBMAZ_-eA      part 3 of 6


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yzCGYKSjyw       part 4 of 6


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbjeYqshR_k          oart 5 of 6


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z42kcuqNCu4       oart 6 of 6