From BWANA343 at aol.com  Sun Mar  2 07:44:26 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:44:26 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] Hellooooooooooo ?
Message-ID: <be5.27b9affe.34fc174a@aol.com>

Anybody out there ? I haven't seen any activity on this list in a few days,  
is everybody in the garage ?
Bob, was it somethinfg I said ?,W



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From sardatech at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  2 07:53:35 2008
From: sardatech at yahoo.com (tom sarda)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 06:53:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] alcohol
Message-ID: <867483.85274.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

What considerations do you have to make when using
alcohol fuel? Is cooling the engine an issue? what
about compression ratio, parts compatability, etc)fuel
pump, carburetor, fuel lines and such) Could I
eliminate a cooling tank/ radiator?
Thank. Tom


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From john.szalay at att.net  Sun Mar  2 08:33:46 2008
From: john.szalay at att.net (John Szalay)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:33:46 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] NON-LSR BUT...
Message-ID: <030220081533.8126.47CAC8D9000E856100001FBE22243429029B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E040E969CD202080106@att.net>

Ok  We have had the propster, and the gas-powered blender.
bar stool LSR
now, the Jet - powered beer cooler..
perfect accessory for  Salt-Talks. or Bend in the road camping.

http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/

From adin at frontier.net  Sun Mar  2 08:41:20 2008
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:41:20 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Hellooooooooooo ?
References: <be5.27b9affe.34fc174a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c87c7b$dd06c850$6401a8c0@ZTxp>

Collecting parts and making plans . . . maybe a little dreaming, too.

David
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BWANA343 at aol.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 7:44 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Hellooooooooooo ?


> Anybody out there ? I haven't seen any activity on this list in a few 
> days,
> is everybody in the garage ?
> Bob, was it somethinfg I said ?,W
>
>
>
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From mactem at mebtel.net  Sun Mar  2 09:09:27 2008
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:09:27 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed]  Hellooooooooooo ?
Message-ID: <001901c87c7f$ca903b80$0300a8c0@brightstar>

I've been in the garage trying to figure out how to mate my transmission
and bell housing. Getting there, but not quite yet.
David

From mactem at mebtel.net  Sun Mar  2 09:18:30 2008
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 11:18:30 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed]   Hellooooooooooo ?
Message-ID: <002301c87c81$0e4cf8d0$0300a8c0@brightstar>

I've tried getting really drunk myself in the garage, but I haven't
tried it on the gearbox and bellhousing! What do you think, methanol or
ethanol?LOL
David

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Sun Mar  2 09:36:53 2008
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:36:53 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Liquid to liquid cooling
Message-ID: <20080302163724.583AF18767E@autox.team.net>

To all you guys that are running an engine coolant radiator submerged in a
box of water. Did you use any sizing guidelines, or just go with a bigger
radiator is better? What about the radiator itself? Did you use a regular
automotive radiator or something more exotic? What about using oil coolers
for this purpose? Would you care to share any anecdotal stories like, "My
800hp SBC was cooled with a 14x10x2 inch radiator submerged in 20 gal of
water. The start temp in the tank was 90 and at the end of the run it was
200."?

 

We run a radiator in a box on the truck and have 35 gal of external water.
The radiator is a salvaged small unit about Pinto sized and the external
water is pumped through the radiator. That system works OK, but now we're
designing for the lakester. Right now, I'm working with about 17 gal of
external water in the tank and am planning to use convection cooling in the
tank. I know the tank needs to be vented. Do you run a catch can? FWIW,
we're looking at about 300 hp in this configuration, with plans to up it to
about 500 in the future.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Jim Webb

Choc Full o' Nuts

A/PP B/PP ?/FL

From mactem at mebtel.net  Sun Mar  2 10:42:13 2008
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:42:13 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed]    Hellooooooooooo ?
Message-ID: <002f01c87c8c$c002be10$0300a8c0@brightstar>

I'm using a RWD Corolla bell housing (fits the engine) and mating it to
a Supra gearbox (bigger, stronger).  The Supra input shaft is longer
than the Corolla shaft by about 2 inches. Also the bell doesn't match
the tranny mounting holes. I'll have to make a wide adaptor plate to
join them and I have to make sure the shaft and crank line up exactly
(that's what I'm scratching my head over).  I'm thinking of tying the
adaptor plate to the frame at that point also.  This all gives me
something to ponder on while I should be thinking about work! LOL.
David

From karhu at california.com  Sun Mar  2 11:00:08 2008
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 10:00:08 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Hellooooooooooo ?
References: <002f01c87c8c$c002be10$0300a8c0@brightstar>
Message-ID: <000301c87c8f$40fd9fb0$6801a8c0@BennsDesktop>

Sounds like you'd want a turned pilot diameter on the front of the adapter, 
indicated in to the through-bore, then a recess locating diameter on the 
rear of the adapter (also indicated in to the through-bore) for the new 
heftier tranny, right?  If you're gonna try to do it without lathe-work (or 
a CNC mill), you might use the offset bellhousing bushings that the 
aftermarket (and maybe OEMs too) offer for alignment of the rear recess 
diameter.  Then you've just gotta figure out the clutch....
Benn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mobley-Anderson" <mactem at mebtel.net>
To: "'LSR'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:42 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Hellooooooooooo ?


> I'm using a RWD Corolla bell housing (fits the engine) and mating it to
> a Supra gearbox (bigger, stronger).  The Supra input shaft is longer
> than the Corolla shaft by about 2 inches. Also the bell doesn't match
> the tranny mounting holes. I'll have to make a wide adaptor plate to
> join them and I have to make sure the shaft and crank line up exactly
> (that's what I'm scratching my head over).  I'm thinking of tying the
> adaptor plate to the frame at that point also.  This all gives me
> something to ponder on while I should be thinking about work! LOL.
> David

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Sun Mar  2 15:05:15 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:05:15 EST
Subject: [Land-speed]   Hellooooooooooo ?
Message-ID: <c2a.1e80458a.34fc7e9b@aol.com>

I've been in the garage trying to figure out how to mate my  transmission
and bell housing. Getting there, but not quite  yet.
David
 
Suggest some pick-up lines to the tranny and blow in the bell housing  
ear.....



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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Sun Mar  2 17:28:40 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:28:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] alcohol
References: <867483.85274.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47CB4638.00001F.01700@HOME>

Tom,

Because of the distance that we run, I would not think that eliminating the
cooling system is an option, but you can somewhat control the engine temp by
jetting. You can run a lot more compression than I can get in a 300 inch
Chevy, at least 16:1, maybe more. The best I have been able to get in my
motors is a bit over 13:1. I wish I could get more!

I run a mechanical injection so I am not conversant on running alcohol in
carburetors, but I suspect you have the same issues. Alcohol must be flushed
out of the between events or problems arise. I have had to disassemble the
fuel pump and clean out the residue because of negligence in this area . The
rubber hoses will harden over time and have to be replaced, also.

I like alcohol because it runs cooler (we have always had high temps with
gasoline), cleaner and is supposed to give more HP, but so far I have not
been able to exceed our gasoline speeds by that much. Also, as I understand
from what I have read, you should use more ignition timing, but it seems
that doesn't work for us either. Maybe someone can tell me what I am doing
wrong.


Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

-------Original Message-------

From: tom sarda
Date: 3/2/2008 6:53:54 AM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] alcohol

What considerations do you have to make when using
alcohol fuel? Is cooling the engine an issue? what
about compression ratio, parts compatability, etc)fuel
pump, carburetor, fuel lines and such) Could I
eliminate a cooling tank/ radiator?
Thank. Tom

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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Mon Mar  3 09:59:50 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:59:50 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR - Video link on airliner close call
Message-ID: <686917E6-7071-493A-A334-8457C725312B@comcast.net>

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2008/03/03/ 
plane.drift.clip.cnn?iref=mpvideosview

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  3 11:41:04 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:41:04 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR - Video link on airliner close call
In-Reply-To: <686917E6-7071-493A-A334-8457C725312B@comcast.net>
References: <686917E6-7071-493A-A334-8457C725312B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W266E1E3456229353246D62D9170@phx.gbl>

     wow


    "This is your captain speaking,..

              - it's time to change my shorts now folks,

                        ...so we will now ascend to 45,000 feet and re-group"




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> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:59:50 -0700
> Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR - Video link on airliner close call



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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Mon Mar  3 18:48:52 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:48:52 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] alcohol
In-Reply-To: <47CB4638.00001F.01700@HOME>
References: <867483.85274.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<47CB4638.00001F.01700@HOME>
Message-ID: <87F01A4B79E84284B43C9E777CA1B9FE@DaveSatellite>

Some myths busted, First remember alky is lower in octane than a good racing 
gasoline well actually performance number as there is no octane over 100. 
Alky is around 102 and racing gasoline starts at around 108 and goes up from 
there, So less timing is the smart move. Second you can not add fuel in 
place of coolant for anything that is the minutes range. Next anything over 
approximately 15 to 1 CR results in more pumping losses than HP gains. For a 
non inter cooled supercharged engine alky is your best friend the latent 
heat of vaporization fixes a lot of problems. Hope this helps..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Bryant" <saltracer at awwwsome.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "tom sarda" <sardatech at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] alcohol


> Tom,
>
> Because of the distance that we run, I would not think that eliminating 
> the
> cooling system is an option, but you can somewhat control the engine temp 
> by
> jetting. You can run a lot more compression than I can get in a 300 inch
> Chevy, at least 16:1, maybe more. The best I have been able to get in my
> motors is a bit over 13:1. I wish I could get more!
>
> I run a mechanical injection so I am not conversant on running alcohol in
> carburetors, but I suspect you have the same issues. Alcohol must be 
> flushed
> out of the between events or problems arise. I have had to disassemble the
> fuel pump and clean out the residue because of negligence in this area . 
> The
> rubber hoses will harden over time and have to be replaced, also.
>
> I like alcohol because it runs cooler (we have always had high temps with
> gasoline), cleaner and is supposed to give more HP, but so far I have not
> been able to exceed our gasoline speeds by that much. Also, as I 
> understand
> from what I have read, you should use more ignition timing, but it seems
> that doesn't work for us either. Maybe someone can tell me what I am doing
> wrong.
>
>
> Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: tom sarda
> Date: 3/2/2008 6:53:54 AM
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] alcohol
>
> What considerations do you have to make when using
> alcohol fuel? Is cooling the engine an issue? what
> about compression ratio, parts compatability, etc)fuel
> pump, carburetor, fuel lines and such) Could I
> eliminate a cooling tank/ radiator?
> Thank. Tom
>
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Mon Mar  3 21:19:35 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:19:35 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  alcohol
Message-ID: <002201c87dae$f7235ad0$6401a8c0@S>

FWD to Land-speed list w/edits
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
To: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren at snet.net>; "Tom Bryant"
<saltracer at awwwsome.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>; "tom sarda"
<sardatech at yahoo.com>; <ardundoug at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] alcohol


> Data points--
> Some years back when my friend, Doug King, first started running fuel in
his
> somewhat fragile Arduns he started conservatively running straight alcohol
> and a little on the fat side.  We had a heck of a time getting them to
warm
> up in the pits even with the water pump turned off.  But once on the
course
> the heat would come up well before the 2 mile and easily reach 200F at the
> 5.  And that was with plenty of cooling capacity.
> At one point Doug built a normally aspirated (with mechanical FI and
pretty
> good flowing heads) Ardun with a theoretical compression ratio of 17:1 to
> run on straight methanol.  Lots of fussing around with clearances on that
> one. What compression it actually was is another question.  But it sure
did
> run.
> Doug-- If you've got your ears on maybe you can add some firsthand
> historical details from that little black notebook of yours....
> Ed Weldon
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren at snet.net>
> To: "Tom Bryant" <saltracer at awwwsome.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>;
"tom
> sarda" <sardatech at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] alcohol
> > Some myths busted.......................

From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  4 02:26:02 2008
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 01:26:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Electric Land Speed Simulations
Message-ID: <525267.2102.qm@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I put up a little web page showing some of my electric land speed computer simulations. Hopefully reality will match the calculations! Enjoy.

http://www.explodingdinosaurs.com/elandspeedsim

You can see some more electric land speed stuff at:

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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Tue Mar  4 03:40:39 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 05:40:39 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Electric Land Speed Simulations
In-Reply-To: <525267.2102.qm@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <525267.2102.qm@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B4A1E624BD3A4781A61204A878C74F1A@DaveSatellite>

max accel rate recorded on everything from bikes to streamliners that I am 
aware of is .61 g if that helps your simulations.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Dymaxion" <david_dymaxion at yahoo.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:26 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Electric Land Speed Simulations


>I put up a little web page showing some of my electric land speed computer 
>simulations. Hopefully reality will match the calculations! Enjoy.

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Mar  4 17:24:20 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:24:20 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Tech Inspection Bail Out test...
Message-ID: <47CDE834.5040402@mayfco.com>

Since the list is so very quiet, or maybe no one want s to communicate, 
I thought I would share something from a non LSR guy who is gonna be a 
LSR guy... He is fabbing up some kind of car for the speed range up to 
about 150 or so. But he is deathy afraid of the bail out activity.  I 
know I also had some second thoughts but it was successful anyway.

Has the SCTA or  USFRA ever given thought about codifying the bail out 
procedure?  It is a straight forward simple exercise that would lend 
itself to posting oin the web sites for new prospective participants to 
use.  Then evfery one would be tested to the same set of procedures and 
all would know what to expect. We used to do things liek this when 
getting ready for an ICBM test launch. We had many many sinulated 
countdowns and then we had launch drills where during a sin count they 
would simulate a real possible problem.  SOmeof those were pretty funny 
to be involved with. Like a total loss of all communtications during the 
critical part of the count. Man what a panic..

But I digress.... I would be happy to prepare something for all to throw 
rocks at and to make better and even in html for inclusion on the clubs' 
web sites.

Any thought out there?

mayf

From saltfevr at q.com  Tue Mar  4 18:55:46 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:55:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Electric Land Speed Simulations
In-Reply-To: <525267.2102.qm@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <525267.2102.qm@web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W385EA6586FEA1083B7CFC3C9110@phx.gbl>

David;

Great electric stuff! Thanks for sending it along!Tom ShannonMagna, Utah>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 01:26:02 -0800> From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com> To:
land-speed at autox.team.net> Subject: [Land-speed] Electric Land Speed
Simulations> > I put up a little web page showing some of my electric land
speed computer simulations. Hopefully reality will match the calculations!
Enjoy.> > http://www.explodingdinosaurs.com/elandspeedsim> > You can see some
more electric land speed stuff at:> > http://www.explodingdinosaurs.com> > > >
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Tue Mar  4 20:42:52 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:42:52 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tech Inspection Bail Out test...
References: <47CDE834.5040402@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <019001c87e72$fdf39630$6501a8c0@Glens>

Mayf
The bail out procedure is pretty standard in SCTA. We always tell the new 
people(when we can) to practice at home while build ing the car. Knowing 
where everything is naturally buy feel is important. The thing is getting 
the car stopped and doing it the same everytime. What do you do first. Stop 
the car, remove the steering wheel, un fasten the belts and air tube if 
used. If there is a fire which fire system do you use first, when do you 
pull the chute. Every driver needs a plan and to do it the same each time 
even when a run is normal. Except then it's not a bail out but good policy 
to have a planned exit from the vehicle. Any inspector will talk to the new 
guys at the lakes or Bonneville. A trip to the lakes like you did makes it a 
lot easier to deal with it come race day.Just some thoughts.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:24 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Tech Inspection Bail Out test...


> Since the list is so very quiet, or maybe no one want s to communicate,
> I thought I would share something from a non LSR guy who is gonna be a
> LSR guy... He is fabbing up some kind of car for the speed range up to
> about 150 or so. But he is deathy afraid of the bail out activity.  I
> know I also had some second thoughts but it was successful anyway.
>
> Has the SCTA or  USFRA ever given thought about codifying the bail out
> procedure?  It is a straight forward simple exercise that would lend
> itself to posting oin the web sites for new prospective participants to
> use.  Then evfery one would be tested to the same set of procedures and
> all would know what to expect. We used to do things liek this when
> getting ready for an ICBM test launch. We had many many sinulated
> countdowns and then we had launch drills where during a sin count they
> would simulate a real possible problem.  SOmeof those were pretty funny
> to be involved with. Like a total loss of all communtications during the
> critical part of the count. Man what a panic..
>
> But I digress.... I would be happy to prepare something for all to throw
> rocks at and to make better and even in html for inclusion on the clubs'
> web sites.
>
> Any thought out there?
>
> mayf
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  4 20:51:06 2008
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:51:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Tech Inspection Bail Out test...
In-Reply-To: <47CDE834.5040402@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <364101.92618.qm@web52511.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

You are making this way too complicated. All cars are not the same so a set of standards does not work.
   
  Suit up, get in the car, belt up - get out. Thats it.
   
  Oh yeah, practice, practice, practice, practice.
   
  DW

drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:
  Since the list is so very quiet, or maybe no one want s to communicate, 
I thought I would share something from a non LSR guy who is gonna be a 
LSR guy... He is fabbing up some kind of car for the speed range up to 
about 150 or so. But he is deathy afraid of the bail out activity. I 
know I also had some second thoughts but it was successful anyway.

Has the SCTA or USFRA ever given thought about codifying the bail out 
procedure? It is a straight forward simple exercise that would lend 
itself to posting oin the web sites for new prospective participants to 
use. Then evfery one would be tested to the same set of procedures and 
all would know what to expect. We used to do things liek this when 
getting ready for an ICBM test launch. We had many many sinulated 
countdowns and then we had launch drills where during a sin count they 
would simulate a real possible problem. SOmeof those were pretty funny 
to be involved with. Like a total loss of all communtications during the 
critical part of the count. Man what a panic..

But I digress.... I would be happy to prepare something for all to throw 
rocks at and to make better and even in html for inclusion on the clubs' 
web sites.

Any thought out there?

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From dlodom at charter.net  Wed Mar  5 10:49:32 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:49:32 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Data Battery
Message-ID: <47CEDD2C.1060303@charter.net>

My friend that runs a Super Modified roundy round car is going to put a 
Data recorder system on his car. He does not use a battery  and weight 
is of some importance. What is the best small 12 volt battery that 
anyone has come up with? I run 2 large 12 volt batteries in my car so 
I'm no help to him at all.
Doug Odom in big ditch  fussin with a really cool 56 Nomad ( not mine).

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Wed Mar  5 10:53:23 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:53:23 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Data Battery
In-Reply-To: <47CEDD2C.1060303@charter.net>
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16A9E@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

http://www.flyinmiata.com/index.php?deptid=4529&parentid=0&stocknumber=2
5-90000

Check motorcycle stuff - there must be something better than 6 lbs.

David in Durango


My friend that runs a Super Modified roundy round car is going to put a
Data recorder system on his car. He does not use a battery  and weight
is of some importance. What is the best small 12 volt battery that
anyone has come up with? I run 2 large 12 volt batteries in my car so
I'm no help to him at all.
Doug Odom in big ditch  fussin with a really cool 56 Nomad ( not mine).
_______________________________________________

From fosterap at flash.net  Wed Mar  5 10:55:00 2008
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:55:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Data Battery
In-Reply-To: <47CEDD2C.1060303@charter.net>
Message-ID: <411797.11227.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Doug......I've heard that the Optima 6V batteries are tiny......maybe run two of those?
  Jerry in Dallas

DougOdom <dlodom at charter.net> wrote:
  My friend that runs a Super Modified roundy round car is going to put a 
Data recorder system on his car. He does not use a battery and weight 
is of some importance. What is the best small 12 volt battery that 
anyone has come up with? I run 2 large 12 volt batteries in my car so 
I'm no help to him at all.
Doug Odom in big ditch fussin with a really cool 56 Nomad ( not mine).

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed Mar  5 11:29:45 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:29:45 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Data Battery
References: <47CEDD2C.1060303@charter.net>
Message-ID: <002701c87eee$f14d4b70$6401a8c0@S>

Doug--
Consider just a stack or AA, C or D alkaline cells to get the required
voltage and current.  At Walmart/Costco prices they'll be cheap and easy.  A
neat packaging for 4 D cells is one of those gopher repelling buzzers you
stick in the ground that is built around an aluminum tube with plastic
sealing caps.  Should stand up well in sprint car service.  Build it as a
tube in a tube setup with soft pipe insulation in-between as the vibration
isolator.  You can prepackage these battery packs as spares, attach a
pigtail with polarized connectors (like used to hook up electric trolling
motors) and easily check the level of charge with your DVM.

If still too heavy remember that all permanent magnet DC motors can act as
generators.  You'd need a simple voltage regulation circuit also and likely
a small rechargeable battery across the line as a backup.  There's some
pretty neat and compact electric motor technology in today's competition R/C
cars.  Or maybe just a small Pitman motor or can motor out of a model train
locomotive.  Of course you'll need to have some mechanical connection to the
spint car engine and this can become a reliability problem.  If the current
requirements are low enough use a fan to drive the motor, mount it inside a
good aluminum tube and just put it somewhere in the airstream out of the way
of busy hands and flying dirt clods.

To me the biggest issue is getting any of this hardware to live in the shock
and vibration environment of a sprint car and be able to handle the rough
and tumble of race preps and emergency repairs at the track.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DougOdom" <dlodom at charter.net>
To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Data Battery


> My friend that runs a Super Modified roundy round car is going to put a
> Data recorder system on his car. He does not use a battery  and weight
> is of some importance. What is the best small 12 volt battery that
> anyone has come up with? I run 2 large 12 volt batteries in my car so
> I'm no help to him at all.
> Doug Odom in big ditch  fussin with a really cool 56 Nomad ( not mine).

From mike_lackey at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  5 11:53:04 2008
From: mike_lackey at yahoo.com (Mike Lackey)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:53:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Data Battery
Message-ID: <88531.89486.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

8 AA batteries (1.5V each) in series would give you 12V and would be lighter than any automotive battery.  Small plastic battery holders are pretty cheap and also light:
http://www.batteryholders.com/bh28aaw.shtml

Mike

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Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 9:49:32 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Data Battery

My friend that runs a Super Modified roundy round car is going to put a 
Data recorder system on his car. He does not use a battery  and weight 
is of some importance. What is the best small 12 volt battery that 
anyone has come up with? I run 2 large 12 volt batteries in my car so 
I'm no help to him at all.
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From gary_ellen at msn.com  Wed Mar  5 12:29:54 2008
From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:29:54 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Data Battery
References: <47CEDD2C.1060303@charter.net>
Message-ID: <BAY122-DAV11BE78240D96A1F9ED01D3F9110@phx.gbl>

You might look into the small sealed lead acid batteries used for alarms and
emergency lighting. A 4ah 12V battery weighs 4-5#, cost about $20. They come
in a large variety sizes and configurations. If you have an Uninterruptable
Power Supply for your computer it probably has one inside.

Gary W
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: DougOdom<mailto:dlodom at charter.net>


  My friend that runs a Super Modified roundy round car is going to put a
  Data recorder system on his car. He does not use a battery  and weight
  is of some importance. What is the best small 12 volt battery that
  anyone has come up with?
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Mar  5 20:26:48 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:26:48 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
Message-ID: <47CF6478.2080008@mayfco.com>

After my ill advised attempt to do something meaningful with regards to 
bailout demos,  I thought long and hard about sending another request... 
But here goes, this one is personal just for me. When I put the head 
sock on, then the helmet then the eyeglasses and start steaming and 
boiling inside the suit and car, my eyeglasses start getting fogged up. 
That seems to be mostly because the head sock covers everything but my 
eyes and when I breath in and out it fogs the lenses. Does this happen 
to you (if you wear glasses)? Anybody that uses a helment skirt have the 
glasses/lens fogging with that system?  

Second part to the opera... I see in the current Summit catalog, that 
add on helmet skirts are available and made from nomex and velcroed on. 
Anybody tried this and gotten through tech with it? If so, what has to 
be on the helmet/skirt to permit approval?

thank you for your attention...


mayf, the idiot redneck fool from pahrump

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Wed Mar  5 21:18:57 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:18:57 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
References: <47CF6478.2080008@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c87f41$32aa4300$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>

My son and I  wear a sock and a shirt. Can't be too safe in a roadster. For 
your next helmet buy one with an air-duct and make or buy a air pump to 
force filtered air into the helmet. Both G-Force and Simpson make them. You 
no longer have a fog up problem. The ducting exits at the nose under the 
eyes. Parker pumper makes  a pump. A NASCAR duct blower will work too;  just 
add a filter and taper it for 1" .

Any and everthing you can think of has already been 
done.............................Good Luck


> After my ill advised attempt to do something meaningful with regards to
> bailout demos,  I thought long and hard about sending another request...
> But here goes, this one is personal just for me. When I put the head
> sock on, then the helmet then the eyeglasses and start steaming and
> boiling inside the suit and car, my eyeglasses start getting fogged up.
> That seems to be mostly because the head sock covers everything but my
> eyes and when I breath in and out it fogs the lenses. Does this happen
> to you (if you wear glasses)? Anybody that uses a helment skirt have the
> glasses/lens fogging with that system?
>
> Second part to the opera... I see in the current Summit catalog, that
> add on helmet skirts are available and made from nomex and velcroed on.
> Anybody tried this and gotten through tech with it? If so, what has to
> be on the helmet/skirt to permit approval?

From saltfever at comcast.net  Wed Mar  5 21:58:16 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:58:16 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Data Battery
Message-ID: <001a01c87f46$b1c5d5f0$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Take a look at a light weight trailer, break-away switch "kit". There is a
small, gel cell battery that applies the trailer brakes if the switch is
activated. Look in trailer accessories in a good auto parts store or the
local U-Haul rental place. The kit even comes with a small, composite case
to hold the battery and the wiring. The batteries are 12V, light weight, gel
cell, and have great capacity. Generally, the store will not have extra
replacements and they have to be ordered. However, the big secret is you can
find them at your local hardware store in the burglar alarm section,
cheaper! The same battery is used as a back-up for home burglar systems in
case of power failure. Since they are gel cell they are great for the abuse
of circle track. Since my trailer is in storage I can't give you the number
or details. I use to replace the battery every year. But buy one of those
"SMART" "battery tender" chargers (they are NOT trickle chargers). With a
"smart tender" my current battery is still good and going on its 3 rd year.
-Elon



From: DougOdom <dlodom at charter.net>

. . . What is the best small 12 volt battery that anyone has come up with? I
run 2 large 12 volt batteries in my car so

From saltfever at comcast.net  Wed Mar  5 22:36:34 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 21:36:34 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Data Battery
Message-ID: <001f01c87f4c$0b89c740$6401a8c0@dim8100>

It seems I mis-spoke. The battery I recommended is not a gel cell. They are
SEALED, lead acid batteries. Go here
<http://store.towshop.com/store/more_info.asp?Product_ID=330&Category_ID=59>
for a look at the battery box.  Go here
<http://www.apexbattery.com/tekonsha-2023-battery-sealed-lead-acid-batteries
-tekonsha-batteries.html>  for weight and dimensions. Typically, about 3.3
lbs and about 4in. height, 2.7in. width, 3.5in. length.  I am assuming you
are looking to power the DAQ system and not the motor. These are small and
light weight batteries but should have the amps to power the DAQ between
rounds. -Elon

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Mar  5 23:04:51 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:04:51 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] 1990 - 1994 Lexus LS 400 Question
Message-ID: <47CF8983.6020503@mayfco.com>

Do any of you have the physical dimensions of the subject car and 
automatic tranny? I am thinking that would make for one cool motor for 
my Tiger and be a seriously smooth running mosheen... But I wonder if it 
will fit. The latest stuff inour u pickem parts place is circa 1975 or 
so.. so I have nothing I can look at.
A web site would also be really good...

mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Mar  5 23:07:03 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:07:03 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
In-Reply-To: <001e01c87f41$32aa4300$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
References: <47CF6478.2080008@mayfco.com>
	<001e01c87f41$32aa4300$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <47CF8A07.1010706@mayfco.com>

Thank you JD. But that wasn't what I asked. The rule book allows it. So 
if I want to wear a helment skirt, I will.

mayf
J.D. Tone wrote:

> My son and I  wear a sock and a shirt. Can't be too safe in a 
> roadster. For your next helmet buy one with an air-duct and make or 
> buy a air pump to force filtered air into the helmet. Both G-Force and 
> Simpson make them. You no longer have a fog up problem. The ducting 
> exits at the nose under the eyes. Parker pumper makes  a pump. A 
> NASCAR duct blower will work too;  just add a filter and taper it for 
> 1" .
>
> Any and everthing you can think of has already been 
> done.............................Good Luck
>
>
>> After my ill advised attempt to do something meaningful with regards to
>> bailout demos,  I thought long and hard about sending another request...
>> But here goes, this one is personal just for me. When I put the head
>> sock on, then the helmet then the eyeglasses and start steaming and
>> boiling inside the suit and car, my eyeglasses start getting fogged up.
>> That seems to be mostly because the head sock covers everything but my
>> eyes and when I breath in and out it fogs the lenses. Does this happen
>> to you (if you wear glasses)? Anybody that uses a helment skirt have the
>> glasses/lens fogging with that system?
>>
>> Second part to the opera... I see in the current Summit catalog, that
>> add on helmet skirts are available and made from nomex and velcroed on.
>> Anybody tried this and gotten through tech with it? If so, what has to
>> be on the helmet/skirt to permit approval?

From kturk at ala.net  Thu Mar  6 05:29:39 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:29:39 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
References: <47CF6478.2080008@mayfco.com><001e01c87f41$32aa4300$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<47CF8A07.1010706@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <02d001c87f85$c09d95b0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Wait a minute... JD wasn't be judgemental... he was telling you how to avoid 
the problem you brought up....

Tonya has the same issue... and I was looking for a cure... so thanks JD... 
didn't know that would work... cool...

Keith 

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Mar  6 09:19:21 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:19:21 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
In-Reply-To: <02d001c87f85$c09d95b0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <47CF6478.2080008@mayfco.com><001e01c87f41$32aa4300$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<47CF8A07.1010706@mayfco.com>
	<02d001c87f85$c09d95b0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <47D01989.1030900@mayfco.com>

Well, welcome back from where ever you were. Good to see you back on the 
list.  As to JD, well, he has a history with me of trying to redesign my 
car, me and everything in it. I'd have to ask, I guess, that you didn't 
have a system like that in the Berk did you since you seem surprised 
that this would work..  Have you ever looked at the Sunbeam?  I don't 
remember. In any case I wasn't asking for a redesign or a design 
solution and hoping for someone to save me.  I was asking a specific 
question...for those people who have their eyeglasses fog up when 
wearing the head sock under the helmet, was that cured that by wearing a 
helmet with a skirt. The skirt is permitted by rule 3.A.1 so I was 
interested in comments from those people.

Why is that so hard for list members to do?

Doug Odum asked about batteries and got lots of replies and some of them 
good... in the spirit of the question I asked, I guess I could have told 
him to add a trailer hitch and pull a generator around with him to power 
the data logger. That's the caliber of response I got to the question I 
asked.

So what gives? Are my requests too complicated? Do I need to spend  more 
time detailing all the avenues I have explored before I ask the question?

I guess the best solution is for me to stop aking questions all together 
since I hardly ever get a direct answer to what I ask. I always get some 
redesign. Yeah, that's better



mayf

Keith Turk wrote:

> Wait a minute... JD wasn't be judgemental... he was telling you how to 
> avoid the problem you brought up....
>
> Tonya has the same issue... and I was looking for a cure... so thanks 
> JD... didn't know that would work... cool...
>
> Keith

From advo at comcast.net  Thu Mar  6 09:36:11 2008
From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:36:11 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
In-Reply-To: <47D01989.1030900@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <C3F5799B.10AD%advo@comcast.net>

Mayf,
I wonder if RainX or some soapy solution would work.  (on your
glasses......) My buddy Roy who works on the rulebook says they are done and
ready for mailing.  Maybe it will be more specific about the skirt deal.
Greg



> 
> I guess the best solution is for me to stop aking questions all together
> since I hardly ever get a direct answer to what I ask. 

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Thu Mar  6 09:44:50 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:44:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
Message-ID: <19115148.1204821890281.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Huh!!!. You asked a question concerning fogged glasses. Mine have been fogging since 1975. A solution is air in the helmet, not a redesigned vehicle. Most cages have enough movement to allow the use of a helmet with a air duct on the left side; mine fits under the side 1" padded strap. Perhaps yours does not, I don't know. 

I did not invent this idea, I looked what was available and first saw it on Baja 100 vehicles and thought is was a good idea and would solve a problem I had which you seen to have also . All NHRA funny cars have a bottled air added to their helmets. It goes thru a small medical type tube into the helmet in a similar fashion. One of our competitors in a 300 MPH modified roadster uses this system. 

Maf...I have never left this message board. I respond with PM's on the Land Speed Racing site after being called stupid. I'm sorry you take offense at what I've suggested as one of many solutions to your delima. 

My father told me doctors made the worst pilots because the never listened to anyone and new all the answers. Perhaps this applies to race car owners and drivers as well. The jury is still out on that one, we will wait and see.

>Well, welcome back from where ever you were. Good to see you back on the 
>list.  As to JD, well, he has a history with me of trying to redesign my 
>car, me and everything in it. 

From websters at pyramid.net  Thu Mar  6 09:54:11 2008
From: websters at pyramid.net (Dan Webster)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:54:11 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
Message-ID: <008401c87faa$b3e5aa40$6401a8c0@gateway>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Webster" <websters at pyramid.net>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...


> I have used a compressed air system for helmet ventilation for many years.
> This is a self contained system using a compressed air cylinder.  I use a
> sock and skirt and this keeps my glasses from fogging as well as
> pressurizing my helmet incase of fire.  Don't want to breath smoke.  The
> company I got it from is F.A.S.T. Fresh Air Systems Technologies in
> Arlington Heights Il    847-259-3810.  Web address
www.freshairsystems.com
> another phone no is 1-888-466-race.  They have many different systems to
> choose from.
>
> Have a great day    Dan Webster  # 313  Carson City, NV.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>
> To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
> Cc: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
>
>
> > Wait a minute... JD wasn't be judgemental... he was telling you how to
> avoid
> > the problem you brought up....
> >
> > Tonya has the same issue... and I was looking for a cure... so thanks
> JD...
> > didn't know that would work... cool...
> >
> > Keith
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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Thu Mar  6 10:20:23 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:20:23 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
References: <47CF6478.2080008@mayfco.com>
	<001e01c87f41$32aa4300$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<47CF8A07.1010706@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <47D027D2.000020.04080@D3DP98F1>

Mayf,

Don't be testy, JD answered the fogging question... I have worn a Simpson
Bandit"  Helmet that has a built-in skirt for several years. I also wear a
head sock so I can't differentiate between the two. I suspect that either
will cause fogging under certain conditions, especially early mornings
because the exhaling is adding moisture to the air inside the helmet. I know
that I have had some risky situations because of fogging.

The helmet I have now has a fresh air attachment,  a pump inside the car
supplies the air. Fogging is not a problem anymore.  In a closed car such as
mine, I would suggest that you get filtered air from outside the car. This
way fuel fumes and fire would have less affect on the breathing. That is on
my list of changes this year.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

-------Original Message-------

From: drmayf
Date: 3/5/2008 10:08:32 PM
To: J.D. Tone
Cc: LSR
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...

Thank you JD. But that wasn't what I asked. The rule book allows it. So
if I want to wear a helment skirt, I will.

mayf

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From ed at vetteracing.com  Thu Mar  6 10:20:30 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:20:30 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: :    Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
Message-ID: <W2395416565103831204824030@webmail12>

 -----Original Message-----
From: Ed Van Scoy [mailto:ed at vetteracing.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 10:15 AM
To: 'Keith Turk'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...

Mayf,
JD's solition will solve your problem, but let me add an "El Cheapo"solution:
Drill 1/4 inch holes in the face shield on the left and rightsides of the
plastic shield.....preferably at the top or bottom, justas long as it is out
of your field of vision. This is not totallyfoolproof, but the "vents" help.
Another way to cut down fog, while youare in line, take the helmet out of the
bag and let it warm up. In thesummer, don't let it get TOO hot, I just usually
keep my helmet in therace car on the seat. In cooler times, I put the helmet
on the roof andface the sun with the shield. When it is REAL cold (Elmo) when
I am inline, I put the helmet on the floor of the truck and run the
heater.Finally, it's still gonna fog up some, so put it on early, and let
yourbody (and breath) warm itwhile in line. Keep wiping away the fog....
Itwill stop eventually. I have tried anti-fog sprays, gels, etc. withlittle
help. Didn't mean to write a book here, but this is some of theroutine that
works for me.


Ed Van Scoy
#128 B/GT Corvette
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Thu Mar  6 10:45:05 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:45:05 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
References: <008401c87faa$b3e5aa40$6401a8c0@gateway>
Message-ID: <47D02DA1.00002F.04080@D3DP98F1>

Dan,

Just a note of caution....I noticed a couple of comments on compressed air.
I would carefully regulate the supply and DON'T use oxygen. Bob Herda was
using an oxygen supplied breathing system in 999 Streamliner which took his
life. The oxygen supply line was breached by fire which then fed the fire.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Thu Mar  6 12:10:54 2008
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:10:54 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record.
In-Reply-To: <47D02DA1.00002F.04080@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20A2700DB@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

Was just watching Discovery Channel. I guess were just pikers in the LSR
Game...back in 2003 The Air Force ran a 4 stage rocket sled to 6,453
MPH, on the 9.5 mile test track at Holloman AFB(rails, remember the
human rocket sled testing?). Said they were pulling 150G's. talk about
another order of magnitude in the numbers! Of course, they do have some
deep pockets.....



Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder

From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Thu Mar  6 12:32:11 2008
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:32:11 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record - revised.
In-Reply-To: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20A2700DB@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20A2700F4@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

I guess that show was dated......

 On 31 Jan. 2008, at 9:20 p.m., Mountain Standard Time, the Holloman
High Speed Test Track conducted a Navy Test with a Sandia-designed
payload. Initial indications are the test was successful and the payload
reached a velocity of 6,589 miles per hour. This test is 136 miles per
hour faster that the existing land speed record of 6,453 miles per hour
- setting a new world record.

The payload traveled a distance of 3.61 miles in about 6 seconds. The
sled consisted of three pusher sleds and a forebody sled. A helium tent
enclosed 2.77 miles of the track in order to reduce the aerodynamic
heating and drag on the payload.

Mike M.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.ne
t] On Behalf Of MEIERLE Mike
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:11 PM
To: land speed
Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record.

Was just watching Discovery Channel. I guess were just pikers in the LSR
Game...back in 2003 The Air Force ran a 4 stage rocket sled to 6,453
MPH, on the 9.5 mile test track at Holloman AFB(rails, remember the
human rocket sled testing?). Said they were pulling 150G's. talk about
another order of magnitude in the numbers! Of course, they do have some
deep pockets.....



Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Thu Mar  6 12:36:30 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:36:30 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record - revised.
References: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20A2700F4@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01c87fc1$610b10f0$6501a8c0@Glens>

They are cheating
GB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MEIERLE Mike" <Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com>
To: "land speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:32 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record - revised.


>I guess that show was dated......
> 
> On 31 Jan. 2008, at 9:20 p.m., Mountain Standard Time, the Holloman
> High Speed Test Track conducted a Navy Test with a Sandia-designed
> payload. Initial indications are the test was successful and the payload
> reached a velocity of 6,589 miles per hour. This test is 136 miles per
> hour faster that the existing land speed record of 6,453 miles per hour
> - setting a new world record.
> 
> The payload traveled a distance of 3.61 miles in about 6 seconds. The
> sled consisted of three pusher sleds and a forebody sled. A helium tent
> enclosed 2.77 miles of the track in order to reduce the aerodynamic
> heating and drag on the payload.
> 
> Mike M.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.ne
> t] On Behalf Of MEIERLE Mike
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:11 PM
> To: land speed
> Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record.
> 
> Was just watching Discovery Channel. I guess were just pikers in the LSR
> Game...back in 2003 The Air Force ran a 4 stage rocket sled to 6,453
> MPH, on the 9.5 mile test track at Holloman AFB(rails, remember the
> human rocket sled testing?). Said they were pulling 150G's. talk about
> another order of magnitude in the numbers! Of course, they do have some
> deep pockets.....
> 
> 
> 
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From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Thu Mar  6 12:36:23 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:36:23 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record - revised.
In-Reply-To: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20A2700F4@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16AA7@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Sounds like a Ford stuck in 3rd gear . . .?

"Payload" ???????????????  Not a driver or passenger monkey?

Guess it doesn't count.

David, wonder if they are selling tickets . . . .

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MEIERLE Mike
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:32 PM
To: land speed
Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record - revised.

I guess that show was dated......

 On 31 Jan. 2008, at 9:20 p.m., Mountain Standard Time, the Holloman
High Speed Test Track conducted a Navy Test with a Sandia-designed
payload. Initial indications are the test was successful and the payload
reached a velocity of 6,589 miles per hour. This test is 136 miles per
hour faster that the existing land speed record of 6,453 miles per hour
- setting a new world record.

The payload traveled a distance of 3.61 miles in about 6 seconds. The
sled consisted of three pusher sleds and a forebody sled. A helium tent
enclosed 2.77 miles of the track in order to reduce the aerodynamic
heating and drag on the payload.

Mike M.


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.ne
t] On Behalf Of MEIERLE Mike
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:11 PM
To: land speed
Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record.

Was just watching Discovery Channel. I guess were just pikers in the LSR
Game...back in 2003 The Air Force ran a 4 stage rocket sled to 6,453
MPH, on the 9.5 mile test track at Holloman AFB(rails, remember the
human rocket sled testing?). Said they were pulling 150G's. talk about
another order of magnitude in the numbers! Of course, they do have some
deep pockets.....



Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Thu Mar  6 12:41:04 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 14:41:04 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
Message-ID: <002501c87fc2$04b3bbd0$466a2544@john>

Mayf
Anti fog solution is a common product .



> After my ill advised attempt to do something meaningful with regards to 
> bailout demos,  I thought long and hard about sending another request... 
> But here goes, this one is personal just for me. When I put the head 
> sock on, then the helmet then the eyeglasses and start steaming and 
> boiling inside the suit and car, my eyeglasses start getting fogged up. 
> That seems to be mostly because the head sock covers everything but my 
> eyes and when I breath in and out it fogs the lenses. Does this happen 
> to you (if you wear glasses)? Anybody that uses a helment skirt have the 
> glasses/lens fogging with that system?  

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Thu Mar  6 13:23:00 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:23:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record - revised.
In-Reply-To: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20A2700F4@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16AA8@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Google "Holloman High Speed Test Track" for some more info . . .

http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/lg_light-lg-2.jpg

Sound like that puppy has some "oomph" . . .

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MEIERLE Mike
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:32 PM
To: land speed
Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record - revised.

I guess that show was dated......

 On 31 Jan. 2008, at 9:20 p.m., Mountain Standard Time, the Holloman
High Speed Test Track conducted a Navy Test with a Sandia-designed
payload. Initial indications are the test was successful and the payload
reached a velocity of 6,589 miles per hour. This test is 136 miles per
hour faster that the existing land speed record of 6,453 miles per hour
- setting a new world record.

The payload traveled a distance of 3.61 miles in about 6 seconds. The
sled consisted of three pusher sleds and a forebody sled. A helium tent
enclosed 2.77 miles of the track in order to reduce the aerodynamic
heating and drag on the payload.

Mike M.


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.ne
t] On Behalf Of MEIERLE Mike
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:11 PM
To: land speed
Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record.

Was just watching Discovery Channel. I guess were just pikers in the LSR
Game...back in 2003 The Air Force ran a 4 stage rocket sled to 6,453
MPH, on the 9.5 mile test track at Holloman AFB(rails, remember the
human rocket sled testing?). Said they were pulling 150G's. talk about
another order of magnitude in the numbers! Of course, they do have some
deep pockets.....



Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  6 13:30:34 2008
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:30:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
In-Reply-To: <001e01c87f41$32aa4300$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <973319.64047.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Spray your glasses with RainX, both sides. Should help the problem.
   
  DW

"J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net> wrote:
  My son and I wear a sock and a shirt. Can't be too safe in a roadster. For 
your next helmet buy one with an air-duct and make or buy a air pump to 
force filtered air into the helmet. Both G-Force and Simpson make them. You 
no longer have a fog up problem. The ducting exits at the nose under the 
eyes. Parker pumper makes a pump. A NASCAR duct blower will work too; just 
add a filter and taper it for 1" .

Any and everthing you can think of has already been 
done.............................Good Luck


> After my ill advised attempt to do something meaningful with regards to
> bailout demos, I thought long and hard about sending another request...
> But here goes, this one is personal just for me. When I put the head
> sock on, then the helmet then the eyeglasses and start steaming and
> boiling inside the suit and car, my eyeglasses start getting fogged up.
> That seems to be mostly because the head sock covers everything but my
> eyes and when I breath in and out it fogs the lenses. Does this happen
> to you (if you wear glasses)? Anybody that uses a helment skirt have the
> glasses/lens fogging with that system?
>
> Second part to the opera... I see in the current Summit catalog, that
> add on helmet skirts are available and made from nomex and velcroed on.
> Anybody tried this and gotten through tech with it? If so, what has to
> be on the helmet/skirt to permit approval?
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Mar  6 17:49:27 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:49:27 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
Message-ID: <000001c87fed$1b443250$6401a8c0@dim8100>

I realize I am not answering your specific question about a helmet skirt.
However, I would like to know if you have tried chemicals and failed. That
would be useful information.



Since you didn't mention it I'll suggest something cheap, easy, and quick. I
have the same severe problem when snow skiing.  30 years ago Bell Helmets
made a pink stick of a waxy like material that you applied and then polished
off. To this day it is still the best product I have come across. However, I
don't see them selling it anymore. But take a look at this Bell product:

http://www.bellhelmets.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display
<http://www.bellhelmets.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=
4778> &Product_ID=4778



There are other products obviously sold by your optometrist and others.
Also, the local Ski Chalet will have anti-fog stuff for goggles. These
chemicals really do work for a short duration. I reapply my anti-fog twice a
day when skiing. Your time-frame of use is much shorter, albeit maybe a more
extreme temperature environment. It would be $4.00 test you could do at home
by suiting up.

-Elon

From: drmayf

. . .my eyeglasses start getting fogged up. That seems to be mostly because
the head sock covers everything but my eyes and when I breath in and out it
fogs the lenses. . .Anybody that uses a helment skirt have the glasses/lens
fogging with that system?

From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Mar  6 18:05:19 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:05:19 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OBX Dry Sump
Message-ID: <000001c87fef$51141100$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Greeting List:

I see a lot of these shiny, new, OBX aluminum dry sump tanks on eBay. They
are obviously, imported and very low priced compared to Patterson or
Peterson.  Looks like they have a nice NC machined bolt-flange mid-tank.
Anybody know about these tanks? Do they have internal baffling? Are they any
good?  -Elon

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  6 18:35:18 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:35:18 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] OBX Dry Sump
In-Reply-To: <000001c87fef$51141100$6401a8c0@dim8100>
References: <000001c87fef$51141100$6401a8c0@dim8100>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W80EF7D2BC6EACE9054698D9130@phx.gbl>

     Elon,  IMHO:

     Jesus,   buy from Americans.


    Please, at least try' to keep somebody in this country in a job.


     Even if he's the last sorry devil to have one.


   serious as a heart attack,  ' Dirt  Track  Doug '
   ( how long do ya'all suppose GM & Ford have until they go under ?    5,
maybe 8 years ?   then what ? )

        -------------------------- oooo ---------------------------
    Wise words from the ancients   -especially in light of  ( or lack of )
America's  ' economy' :




             VULGAS VULT DECEPI   - Phaedrus

                          (  the (common)  people wish to be deceived  )

========================================================================

> From: saltfever at comcast.net
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:05:19 -0800
> Subject: [Land-speed] OBX Dry Sump
>
> Greeting List:
>
> I see a lot of these shiny, new, OBX aluminum dry sump tanks on eBay. They
> are obviously, imported and very low priced compared to Patterson or
> Peterson.  Looks like they have a nice NC machined bolt-flange mid-tank.


 Anybody know about these tanks? Do they have internal baffling? Are they any
> good?

 -Elon



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From RACE427 at aol.com  Thu Mar  6 19:50:41 2008
From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:50:41 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] 1937 Diamond Reo   non LSR
Message-ID: <c38.27b1f7db.35020781@aol.com>

Hello to all;
 
    One of my fellow automotive shop teachers  has a 1937 Diamond Reo in his 
shop class.  The "Special Needs" students and  he are repairing the Reo 
Speedwagon engine to run again.  He is in need of  a camshaft, oil pump and drive 
gear and a valve tappet.  This engine is a  flathead six cylinder.  Any help or 
leads on these parts is greatly  appreciated.   The truck is being repaired 
for a local museum here on  Long Island.
 
   Thanks so much !!!!    Tony  Greco



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From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Mar  6 20:19:47 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:19:47 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OBX Dry Sump
Message-ID: <000001c88002$1a633ba0$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Doug, thank you for your response. Your answer was a political response and
I was looking for a technical opinion. While they are both very worthwhile
topics, I do not discuss politics or religion on this list. I will contact
you off-line. -Elon

Elon,  IMHO:  
Jesus,   buy from Americans. 
Please, at least try' to keep somebody in this country in a job.

From saltfevr at q.com  Thu Mar  6 21:10:42 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:10:42 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] CarDomain Car Blog: Bonneville: Wide Open
In-Reply-To: <000501c88005$978bea20$6600a8c0@Dale>
References: <000501c88005$978bea20$6600a8c0@Dale>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W41DD5BE38935FF3C776FE5C9130@phx.gbl>

Dale;
 I have the 2004 version. Highly recommend it! Benn posts here from time to
time. A great guy and kudo's to his video efforts!
 http://www.bonnevillewideopen.comTom ShannonMagna, Utah


From: d.pulju at pahrump.comTo: ;Subject: CarDomain Car Blog: Bonneville: Wide
OpenDate: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:44:44 -0800




http://blog.cardomain.com:80/blog/2008/03/bonneville-wide.html

video, has anyone seen this?

dale

From NT788 at comcast.net  Fri Mar  7 09:20:39 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:20:39 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
Message-ID: <030720081620.8791.47D16B5700009BCC000022572215568884C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

Put a fan in your helmet. jack

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Elon" <saltfever at comcast.net> 

> I realize I am not answering your specific question about a helmet skirt. 
> However, I would like to know if you have tried chemicals and failed. That 
> would be useful information. 
> 
> 
> 
> Since you didn't mention it I'll suggest something cheap, easy, and quick. I 
> have the same severe problem when snow skiing. 30 years ago Bell Helmets 
> made a pink stick of a waxy like material that you applied and then polished 
> off. To this day it is still the best product I have come across. However, I 
> don't see them selling it anymore. But take a look at this Bell product: 
> 
> http://www.bellhelmets.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display 
> > 4778> &Product_ID=4778 
> 
> 
> 
> There are other products obviously sold by your optometrist and others. 
> Also, the local Ski Chalet will have anti-fog stuff for goggles. These 
> chemicals really do work for a short duration. I reapply my anti-fog twice a 
> day when skiing. Your time-frame of use is much shorter, albeit maybe a more 
> extreme temperature environment. It would be $4.00 test you could do at home 
> by suiting up. 
> 
> -Elon 
> 
> From: drmayf 
> 
> . . .my eyeglasses start getting fogged up. That seems to be mostly because 
> the head sock covers everything but my eyes and when I breath in and out it 
> fogs the lenses. . .Anybody that uses a helment skirt have the glasses/lens 
> fogging with that system? 
> _______________________________________________ 
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From NT788 at comcast.net  Fri Mar  7 09:23:38 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:23:38 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record - revised.
Message-ID: <030720081623.17132.47D16C0900046F66000042EC2215568884C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

When they going to level that playing field I wonder? jack

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org> 

> Google "Holloman High Speed Test Track" for some more info . . . 
> 
> http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/lg_light-lg-2.jpg 
> 
> Sound like that puppy has some "oomph" . . . 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf Of MEIERLE Mike 
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:32 PM 
> To: land speed 
> Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record - revised. 
> 
> I guess that show was dated...... 
> 
> On 31 Jan. 2008, at 9:20 p.m., Mountain Standard Time, the Holloman 
> High Speed Test Track conducted a Navy Test with a Sandia-designed 
> payload. Initial indications are the test was successful and the payload 
> reached a velocity of 6,589 miles per hour. This test is 136 miles per 
> hour faster that the existing land speed record of 6,453 miles per hour 
> - setting a new world record. 
> 
> The payload traveled a distance of 3.61 miles in about 6 seconds. The 
> sled consisted of three pusher sleds and a forebody sled. A helium tent 
> enclosed 2.77 miles of the track in order to reduce the aerodynamic 
> heating and drag on the payload. 
> 
> Mike M. 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.ne 
> t] On Behalf Of MEIERLE Mike 
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:11 PM 
> To: land speed 
> Subject: [Land-speed] Absolute LSR Record. 
> 
> Was just watching Discovery Channel. I guess were just pikers in the LSR 
> Game...back in 2003 The Air Force ran a 4 stage rocket sled to 6,453 
> MPH, on the 9.5 mile test track at Holloman AFB(rails, remember the 
> human rocket sled testing?). Said they were pulling 150G's. talk about 
> another order of magnitude in the numbers! Of course, they do have some 
> deep pockets..... 
> 
> 
> 
> Mike Meierle 
> #847 F/P/MP 
> SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA 
> ECTA Record Holder 
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From NT788 at comcast.net  Fri Mar  7 09:30:04 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:30:04 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
Message-ID: <030720081630.5628.47D16D8C000ADD50000015FC2215568884C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

All chemicals fail! use a fan

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Elon" <saltfever at comcast.net> 

> I realize I am not answering your specific question about a helmet skirt. 
> However, I would like to know if you have tried chemicals and failed. That 
> would be useful information. 
> 
> 
> 
> Since you didn't mention it I'll suggest something cheap, easy, and quick. I 
> have the same severe problem when snow skiing. 30 years ago Bell Helmets 
> made a pink stick of a waxy like material that you applied and then polished 
> off. To this day it is still the best product I have come across. However, I 
> don't see them selling it anymore. But take a look at this Bell product: 
> 
> http://www.bellhelmets.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display 
> > 4778> &Product_ID=4778 
> 
> 
> 
> There are other products obviously sold by your optometrist and others. 
> Also, the local Ski Chalet will have anti-fog stuff for goggles. These 
> chemicals really do work for a short duration. I reapply my anti-fog twice a 
> day when skiing. Your time-frame of use is much shorter, albeit maybe a more 
> extreme temperature environment. It would be $4.00 test you could do at home 
> by suiting up. 
> 
> -Elon 
> 
> From: drmayf 
> 
> . . .my eyeglasses start getting fogged up. That seems to be mostly because 
> the head sock covers everything but my eyes and when I breath in and out it 
> fogs the lenses. . .Anybody that uses a helment skirt have the glasses/lens 
> fogging with that system? 
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Fri Mar  7 09:33:31 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:33:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd:  Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
References: <030720081620.8791.47D16B5700009BCC000022572215568884C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <DC81872C-20AF-4C36-9D95-23102D2E286A@comcast.net>

I have some Scott Turbo goggles for skiing.  They have a small 9 volt  
battery powered fan over the bridge of the nose piece.  They work fine  
on all but the very coldest days.  Scott sells a small treated cloth  
that works very well on my sun glasses for times when I go into a  
warm, humid place after skiing without the goggles.  The cloth is  
something like $5, the goggles are just over $100 but this time of  
year the ski shops are anxious to get out of such a high ticket  
accessory and they usually go for half that.  Worth trying both  
avenues and seeing if one works for you for a racing application.

Wes


Begin forwarded message:

> From: NT788 at comcast.net
> Date: March 7, 2008 9:20:39 AM MST
> To: "Elon" <saltfever at comcast.net>, "land-speed submit" <land-speed at autox.team.net 
> >
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Head Sock vs Helmet Skirt...
>
> Put a fan in your helmet. jack

From dlodom at charter.net  Sat Mar  8 12:31:29 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:31:29 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] OT Kind of a drag race.
Message-ID: <47D2E991.5070900@charter.net>

This just fun to watch:    www.snotr.com/video/568
ps   good motorcycle race on speed from Daytona right now.    11:30 am PST

Doug Odom in big ditch

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Sat Mar  8 16:26:30 2008
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:26:30 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR - Americarna show in New Plymouth, New Zealand.
Message-ID: <401C6FF35C3545368ED3FE31C833DF25@ChrisHarrisPC>

A bloke from Goodguys recently attended one of our rodding events.
Chris H.................NZed.

 http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...ad.php?t=248371

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Sat Mar  8 17:32:30 2008
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:32:30 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR - Americarna show in New Plymouth,
 New  Zealand.
References: <401C6FF35C3545368ED3FE31C833DF25@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <BE71569A8EA7427DA8D289B661276226@ChrisHarrisPC>

List, if last link I posted didn't work, try:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=248371

Chris H.................NZed.

From fosterap at flash.net  Sat Mar  8 18:01:52 2008
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:01:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR - Americarna show in New Plymouth,
 New   Zealand.
In-Reply-To: <BE71569A8EA7427DA8D289B661276226@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <350822.73267.qm@web80609.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Chris.........I looked at those earlier today.  You  guys must like us over there........
  Jerry in Dallas

Chris Harris <yesford at clear.net.nz> wrote:
  List, if last link I posted didn't work, try:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=248371

Chris H.................NZed.

From mactem at mebtel.net  Sat Mar  8 18:11:30 2008
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:11:30 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed]  Non LSR - Americarna show in New Plymouth,
 New    Zealand.
Message-ID: <00b101c88182$829edcc0$0300a8c0@brightstar>

Thanks Chris!  What an enjoyable visual experience.
David

From rbuck at xmission.com  Sat Mar  8 18:45:12 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:45:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR - Americarna show in New Plymouth,
 New   Zealand.
In-Reply-To: <BE71569A8EA7427DA8D289B661276226@ChrisHarrisPC>
References: <401C6FF35C3545368ED3FE31C833DF25@ChrisHarrisPC>
	<BE71569A8EA7427DA8D289B661276226@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <E1JYAba-0007Lr-43@mgr1.xmission.com>

Great post, Chris!  I loved the photos and the good energy they 
exuded.  Must have been a wonderful time.

I could learn to like that.  "Winters" Down Under, summers back here 
for the LSR season.  Where's my lottery ticket?  I had it some place....

I did a bit of a photo shoot (ok, I took some pics) at the Autorama 
show in Salt Lake City last weekend.  USFRA had a display and John 
Kecaks (owner of that ultra kool Model A speedster that was at Land's 
end at last year's WoS:
http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wos/20070913/20070913_314r8_jpg.html 
) called and asked if he could use some of my photos.  I thought he 
might combine a couple of 'em with other folks' pics and I told him, 
"sure...as long as you credit 'em to "Ray the Rat."  We got a chuckle 
over that and he went ahead with the deal.  When I got there, I found 
that he'd made a pretty large poster display that was filled with 
photos from my web site.  Wow!  I was very flattered and pleased with 
what he'd done:
http://www.chevyasylum.com/cruisin08/080302/2008USFRA01_01r8_jpg.html 
Great job, John.  Thanks for the vote of confidence in my pics.

Here's the url for the coverage of the whole show:
http://www.chevyasylum.com/cruisin08/Welcome.html  Conditions were a 
bit challenging for photography, but I did a lot of exposure 
bracketing and captured a few (few hundred) some photos and after 
post-processing the hell out of 'em to deal with the glare and 
multiple light sources, I think they turned out ok.  If ya happen to 
check 'em out and find that I've messed up on the captioning, please 
let me know so I can mend the error of my ways.

Ray the (shutterbug-type) Rat


At 04:32 PM 3/8/2008, Chris Harris wrote:
>List, if last link I posted didn't work, try:
>
>http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=248371
>
>Chris H.................NZed.

From kturk at ala.net  Mon Mar 10 08:43:24 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:43:24 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] rear disc brake question -
References: <007b01c882b5$9163fe00$6600a8c0@Dale>
Message-ID: <018601c882c5$7b8ceaa0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

have you looked at where the bleed orifices are?  and how that would effect 
it?

Just curious if that might be an engineering consideration...

K 

From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 10 11:30:44 2008
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:30:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Streamliner Aerodynamics
Message-ID: <585802.37871.qm@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

On another list we are having a debate about aerodynamics. The fastest solar racers and electrathon racers are finding having the bottom of the car high off the ground (around 8 inches) seems to be giving them better aerodynamics -- but on the flip side their speeds are so much lower they don't have to worry as much about being aerodynamically stable. So here are my questions:

Do streamliners generate aerodynamic downforce?

Are they low for better stability, or less aero drag, or perhaps both?

Is there a good book or web page on streamliner aerodynamics?

Thanks for the info.








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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Mon Mar 10 12:09:54 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:09:54 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Streamliner Aerodynamics
References: <585802.37871.qm@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <012101c882e2$53466040$6501a8c0@Glens>

David
On www.landracing.com there has been lots of discussion on AERO. Check it 
out in the LSR venues or archives. Lots of info and ideas there. What are 
you looking to build?
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Dymaxion" <david_dymaxion at yahoo.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Streamliner Aerodynamics


> On another list we are having a debate about aerodynamics. The fastest 
> solar racers and electrathon racers are finding having the bottom of the 
> car high off the ground (around 8 inches) seems to be giving them better 
> aerodynamics -- but on the flip side their speeds are so much lower they 
> don't have to worry as much about being aerodynamically stable. So here 
> are my questions:
>
> Do streamliners generate aerodynamic downforce?
>
> Are they low for better stability, or less aero drag, or perhaps both?
>
> Is there a good book or web page on streamliner aerodynamics?
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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From dwright at genetics.utah.edu  Tue Mar 11 11:58:54 2008
From: dwright at genetics.utah.edu (Dan Wright)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:58:54 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Streamliner Aerodynamics
Message-ID: <CACA6BF13836AF4CA0C40492599D7CF68755C6F2C1@m2.hg.genetics.utah.edu>

David
You ask good questions.  I'm not sure I have any answers, but I do have some
thoughts.  Raising a liner exposes a lot of tire that is hidden inside the
body when the car is low.  That probably adds significant frontal area.
On my liner (and I think most) the underside is not as aero clean as the top
side due to wheel cutouts and in my case exhaust openings.  By minimizing the
air under the car, interaction with this aero dirty area is a little less.

On my car I try for no lift and very little down force.  Aero Neutrality I
guess.  I monitor my ride height front and rear to observe lift/downforce.  I
would much rather have a little down force than a little lift.  I fear that a
little lift can become a lot of lift with only a modest increase in speed.

I also worry about the stability at speed issues you describe.

While it is not specifically about Bonneville Streamliners, I found this book
to be both readable and informative.
Race Car Aerodynamics: Designing for Speed
By Joseph Katz (ISBN 0837601428)

Seems sad to be referred to other discussion groups when you ask such high
quality Bonneville Specific questions.
But I guess this list isn't what it once was.


Dan Wright

Liner #667



When you sit with a nice girl for two hours it seems like two minutes.

When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes it seems like two hours.

Thats Relativity.

Albert Einstein

From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 11 23:15:30 2008
From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:15:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Land-speed Digest, Vol 2, Issue 101
Message-ID: <99275.88710.qm@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've had several questions and great comments off-list, so I thought it worth a public reply.

I'm currently converting a old Porsche 911 to electric power, and plan to run it on the Salt at World of Speed. My goals are just getting it to run this year, 130 club this and maybe next year, then 150 club, and then all out. If it breaks 130 mph I'll be very happy, and if it breaks 150 mph I'll be ecstatic! So one origin of my question was thinking whether it is better to lower the car and put on an air dam, or to leave it higher and smooth the underside. The 100% consensus has been low + air dam. BTW, I love my Camaro and really wanted to do an electric Camaro, but moving the extra 1000 pounds quickly enough would have doubled the project cost.

The 2nd line of thought was I thought the new electrathon class for USFRA was really neat. One went 89 mph last year, with exposed wheels, on just 67 pounds of battery. I think it would be fun, and cost effective, someday to build an electrathon streamliner, but I need to limit myself to one project at a time! Here's a link with some pictures and videos:

http://www.explodingdinosaurs.com/saltflats/2007worldofspeed/electrathon/index.html

So why do some of the most successful solar and electrathon cars go high? Thanks to some of the off-list insights I think I might have figured out why. First, they go slow enough, and speed up and slow down enough, that weight is as much of an issue as aero drag. It makes sense to me you could build a vehicle at axle height lighter than one low to the ground (less bodywork).

From: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>
David
On www.landracing.com there has been lots of discussion on AERO. Check it 
out in the LSR venues or archives. Lots of info and ideas there. What are 
you looking to build?
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Dymaxion" <david_dymaxion at yahoo.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Streamliner Aerodynamics

> On another list we are having a debate about aerodynamics. The fastest 
> solar racers and electrathon racers are finding having the bottom of the 
> car high off the ground (around 8 inches) seems to be giving them better 
> aerodynamics -- but on the flip side their speeds are so much lower they 
> don't have to worry as much about being aerodynamically stable. So here 
> are my questions:
>
> Do streamliners generate aerodynamic downforce?
>
> Are they low for better stability, or less aero drag, or perhaps both?
>
> Is there a good book or web page on streamliner aerodynamics?
>
> Thanks for the info.


      ____________________________________________________________________________________
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From jon.the.wise at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 00:11:06 2008
From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jon Bishop)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:11:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OBX Dry Sump
In-Reply-To: <000001c88002$1a633ba0$6401a8c0@dim8100>
References: <000001c88002$1a633ba0$6401a8c0@dim8100>
Message-ID: <E909C236-001B-4537-968D-DD9B00229DFC@gmail.com>

On Mar 6, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Elon wrote:

> Doug, thank you for your response. Your answer was a political  
> response and
> I was looking for a technical opinion. While they are both very  
> worthwhile
> topics, I do not discuss politics or religion on this list. I will  
> contact
> you off-line. -Elon
>
> Elon,  IMHO:
> Jesus,   buy from Americans.
> Please, at least try' to keep somebody in this country in a job.


A technical answer: OBX steals (clones) already developed designs,  
thereby eliminating all the R&D costs. However, QUITE OFTEN, they use  
cheaper materials and produce an inferior product. You're saving  
money, but in the long run, you're both cheating someone out of a  
domestic job (political reason), putting money in the pockets of  
counterfeiters (china counterfeits everything now), and possibly  
getting something that will break. My experience is from import  
tuners mostly, trying to get cheap power out of their honda,  
mitsubishi or nissan... I would NEVER put anything, with moving  
parts, made by OBX, in my car. Their Stainless Steel headers crack at  
the welds also. I do, however, HIGHLY recommend their bar & plate  
aluminum intercoolers.

~Jon

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Wed Mar 12 14:29:42 2008
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?jimwebb?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:29:42 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Land-speed Digest, Vol 2, Issue 101
Message-ID: <20080312212942.12616.qmail@station173.com>

So I just have to ask... is your real last name Dymaxion? Were you born to mess with odd-ball cars or did you grow into it? <grin> Will your electric Porsche have three wheels? Don't try that Dymaxion rear-wheel sterring routine <chuckle>.
Seriously, I think you arrived at the right conclusion. So far with the solar racers, endurance and low aero drag are the issues, not high speed. For safety, pay attention to keeping the air out from underneath the high speed car.

Jim Webb

 -------Original Message-------
 From: David Dymaxion <david_dymaxion at yahoo.com>
 Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Land-speed Digest, Vol 2, Issue 101
 Sent: Mar 12 '08 06:15
 
 I've had several questions and great comments off-list, so I thought it worth a public reply.
 
 I'm currently converting a old Porsche 911 to electric power, and plan to run it on the Salt at World of Speed. My goals are just getting it to run this year, 130 club this and maybe next year, then 150 club, and then all out. If it breaks 130 mph I'll be very happy, and if it breaks 150 mph I'll be ecstatic! So one origin of my question was thinking whether it is better to lower the car and put on an air dam, or to leave it higher and smooth the underside. The 100% consensus has been low + air dam. BTW, I love my Camaro and really wanted to do an electric Camaro, but moving the extra 1000 pounds quickly enough would have doubled the project cost.
 
 The 2nd line of thought was I thought the new electrathon class for USFRA was really neat. One went 89 mph last year, with exposed wheels, on just 67 pounds of battery. I think it would be fun, and cost effective, someday to build an electrathon streamliner, but I need to limit myself to one project at a time! Here's a link with some pictures and videos:
 
 http://www.explodingdinosaurs.com/saltflats/2007worldofspeed/electrathon/index.html
 
 So why do some of the most successful solar and electrathon cars go high? Thanks to some of the off-list insights I think I might have figured out why. First, they go slow enough, and speed up and slow down enough, that weight is as much of an issue as aero drag. It makes sense to me you could build a vehicle at axle height lighter than one low to the ground (less bodywork).

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Mar 12 18:37:35 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:37:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question
Message-ID: <47D8855F.1030600@mayfco.com>

Two questions: a) is it necessary to use a thread anti seize when using 
stainless steel bolts into aluminum, b) if yes, then what is the 
preferred anti seize of choice?  I have a nickle based high temp 
antiseize and a copper based version (named, by the way, never seize). I 
have, however, heard that milk of magnesia also works.

mayf

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed Mar 12 20:24:49 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:24:49 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question
References: <47D8855F.1030600@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c884b9$d18af460$6401a8c0@S>

More on stainless threads in aluminum -- 
c)  If you really want to do it right put Nitronic 60 helicoils in all your
threaded aluminum holes along with some kind of thread lubricant or at least
a sealant to keep salt moisture out.  2 to 3 times the price of regular
helicoils.  Google: Olander, Sunnyvale, CA and call them for a quote.  All
common coarse thread sizes, a few fine threads and a good assortment of
metric.  They are the source of these things for the semiconductor equipment
industry in CA.  10-12 years ago when I worked at Applied Materials I was
one of the instigators of this thing leading to the Helicoil folks
developing the Nitronic 60 product to solve the horrible problens we were
having with breaking stainless steel screws in vacuum chambers whenever
service was needed.  In that application you can't use any kind of thread
lubricant because of contamination issues.

On the salt I think the problem starts when a little salt and moisture gets
into the threads between the stainless and the aluminum and turns it into a
miniature battery.  Once the corrosion byproducts of the chemical reaction
expand into the thread clearances they tighten up everything.  Then when you
go to take it apart the sliding loads between aluminum and stainless create
galling and siezure.

There's more interesting stuff to the Nitronic 60 story if anyone's
interested.

Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question


> Two questions: a) is it necessary to use a thread anti seize when using
> stainless steel bolts into aluminum, b) if yes, then what is the
> preferred anti seize of choice?  I have a nickle based high temp
> antiseize and a copper based version (named, by the way, never seize). I
> have, however, heard that milk of magnesia also works.
> mayf

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed Mar 12 20:22:00 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:22:00 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question
References: <47D8855F.1030600@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c884b9$d1183560$6401a8c0@S>

Mayf--
a) Depends on how much you tighten them, how much salt is going to be around
them, whether you lubricate the threads with anything, how hot it's going to
get, how good the threads have been cut in the holes, whether you have more
than one diameter of thread engagement and how often you expect to take them
apart.
b)  Use the nickel based original Neversieze.  That way you don't have to
get into questions about what are the materials, temperatures and other
application variables,  That stuff has been around for 60 years that I know
of since we first started using it on fasteners on high temperature
industrial pumps and steam turbines at Worthington Pump.  I started using it
on my car exhaust systems back then when I lived in New Jersey, where salt
on the roads in winter was just as common and just as much of a nuisance as
mosquitos in the summer.  I never again had to buy new u-clamps for the
mufflers. (when you're young and house-poor and exhaust system repairs have
to be done in the driveway usually with it raining).
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question
> Two questions: a) is it necessary to use a thread anti seize when using
> stainless steel bolts into aluminum, b) if yes, then what is the
> preferred anti seize of choice?  I have a nickle based high temp
> antiseize and a copper based version (named, by the way, never seize). I
> have, however, heard that milk of magnesia also works.
> mayf

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Wed Mar 12 20:28:18 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:28:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question
In-Reply-To: <47D8855F.1030600@mayfco.com>
References: <47D8855F.1030600@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <23D01CBB52DE4F86B1155D352D20DF98@LindaPC>

Mayf,---Boat US has an alum based antisize that is specifically made for SS 
and Alum---masts and such---I sure would not use the coper for sure---Skip 
uses  "PLAIN "  mot scented or such  Milk of Mag and his stuff for years...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:37 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question


> Two questions: a) is it necessary to use a thread anti seize when using
> stainless steel bolts into aluminum, b) if yes, then what is the
> preferred anti seize of choice?  I have a nickle based high temp
> antiseize and a copper based version (named, by the way, never seize). I
> have, however, heard that milk of magnesia also works.

From saltfever at comcast.net  Wed Mar 12 22:03:12 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:03:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] OBX Dry Sump
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13.1205348402.25581.land-speed@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <001101c884c7$8adc7080$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Thanks Jon, for the valuable feedback. I was hoping for a reply from someone
with first-hand knowledge of their stuff.  -Elon

From: Jon Bishop <jon.the.wise at gmail.com> 
A technical answer: OBX steals (clones) already developed designs, thereby
eliminating all the R&D costs. . . My experience is from import tuners
mostly, trying to get cheap power out of their honda, mitsubishi or
nissan... I would NEVER put anything, with moving parts, made by OBX, in my
car. . . I do, however, HIGHLY recommend their bar & plate aluminum
intercoolers.

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Mar 13 08:31:59 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:31:59 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question
In-Reply-To: <23D01CBB52DE4F86B1155D352D20DF98@LindaPC>
References: <47D8855F.1030600@mayfco.com>
	<23D01CBB52DE4F86B1155D352D20DF98@LindaPC>
Message-ID: <20080313163102.A3B89187669@autox.team.net>

Many jet engine companies use sugarless milk of magnesia and have for 
a long time. I use it too as Bill said (Gary Allen taught me) and 
have had good performance with it.
Skip




At 08:28 PM 3/12/2008, Sparky wrote:
>Mayf,---Boat US has an alum based antisize that is specifically made for SS
>and Alum---masts and such---I sure would not use the coper for sure---Skip
>uses  "PLAIN "  mot scented or such  Milk of Mag and his stuff for years...
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:37 PM
>Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question
>
>
> > Two questions: a) is it necessary to use a thread anti seize when using
> > stainless steel bolts into aluminum, b) if yes, then what is the
> > preferred anti seize of choice?  I have a nickle based high temp
> > antiseize and a copper based version (named, by the way, never seize). I
> > have, however, heard that milk of magnesia also works.
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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Mar 13 08:43:46 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:43:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question
Message-ID: <20080313164254.7ED71187669@autox.team.net>

Many jet engine companies use sugarless milk of magnesia and have for 
a long time. I use it too as Bill said (Gary Allen taught me) and 
have had good performance with it.
Skip




At 08:28 PM 3/12/2008, Sparky wrote:
>Mayf,---Boat US has an alum based antisize that is specifically made for SS
>and Alum---masts and such---I sure would not use the coper for sure---Skip
>uses  "PLAIN "  mot scented or such  Milk of Mag and his stuff for years...
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:37 PM
>Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question
>
>
> > Two questions: a) is it necessary to use a thread anti seize when using
> > stainless steel bolts into aluminum, b) if yes, then what is the
> > preferred anti seize of choice?  I have a nickle based high temp
> > antiseize and a copper based version (named, by the way, never seize). I
> > have, however, heard that milk of magnesia also works.

From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Mar 13 12:45:12 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:45:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
Message-ID: <47D98448.7060605@charter.net>

I see Jon has shut down the forum. Well I don't blame him. Every thing 
seemed to turn into a pissin contest. Someone would ask a good question 
and a bunch of people would jump on it with opinions, not facts. Then 
they would get to bashing each other about their opinions. I have to 
watch that stupid crap on TV between Obama and Hillery.

 Sad, very sad.
Doug Odom in big ditch

From dmirror3 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 13:28:17 2008
From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:28:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
In-Reply-To: <47D98448.7060605@charter.net>
Message-ID: <962439.79187.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I don't blame Jon a bit. I've been on many forums over the years and have learned more than I ever expected to learn. For all of the positive, I am thankful for the extraordinary amount of talent, wisdom, knowledge and good intentions, willingly shared and without agenda. 
 
I have also learned of the negative side, from the few that feel that their unique opinion, usually laden with sarcasm and criticism, should matter and be broadcast. They truly believe that their experience, opinions, observations, condemnation, sarcasm and ultimately ignorance is of benefit to others on the forum. 

If you ever wondered why there are so many Lurkers, this topic is is the explanation. Why speak when you stand the chance of being jumped on ?  

It seems that we will always have this burden on Forums, mail lists and groups.  As ignorance and weak social manners are without shame or conscience, fools can (and do) type and giggle to themselves in the comfort of their caves. 

It is a shame that this has happened to Landracing but I'm not surprised. I see the small minded abusive comments on other forums as well. Jon has generously provided a resource for all of us to share. A few have abused Jon's time, generosity and caused grief to participants of the forum. 

Until forum participants realize that their attempts at sarcasm, humor and criticism are simply childish and annoying, it will be a challenge to those who are here to share and learn. 

This is a social issue that has been brewing for quite awhile. Now, how do we promote positive discussions ? Self discipline. Educate, don't criticism. Realize the generosity of those that provide this environment for us to learn. And realize that those generous souls are not babysitters. 

Thank you,
Dale in Cleveland



 <dlodom at charter.net> wrote: I see Jon has shut down the forum. Well I don't blame him. Every thing 
seemed to turn into a pissin contest. Someone would ask a good question 
and a bunch of people would jump on it with opinions, not facts. Then 
they would get to bashing each other about their opinions. I have to 
watch that stupid crap on TV between Obama and Hillery.

 Sad, very sad.
Doug Odom in big ditch
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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Thu Mar 13 14:43:50 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:43:50 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
Message-ID: <28138101.1205444630804.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I too am sorry to see it leave. For the last month or so I have been lurking and responding with PMs to keep the second guessing and "lawyereseing" me (is that a word?)from affecting what I would put in print. I always recieved thanks for the direction and words of encourage. Some just have thinner skins when it came to the bashing. 

There are many who answered on the forum with tons of experience and gave good guidence they all will be missed by the novice. There were some who had no clue yet responded anyway. Others just loved stirring the pot and they were actually the worst...I've known them to laugh at what they did thinking it was funny. Too bad..............Good luck to all. 

Now this list will need to do it. Good thing we hava a "reply" as well as a "reply to all"............JD
>
>I see Jon has shut down the forum. 

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Thu Mar 13 15:04:42 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:04:42 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
In-Reply-To: <28138101.1205444630804.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <28138101.1205444630804.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <B62F94E7D000486090542AF3C0CC5F20@LindaPC>

JD, I for one sure have appreciated your help and input--you sure have 
helped me several times-  I thank you an appreciate all like you who 
share---thanks---wmts


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum


>I too am sorry to see it leave. For the last month or so I have been 
>lurking and responding with PMs to keep the second guessing and 
>"lawyereseing" me (is that a word?)from affecting what I would put in 
>print. I always recieved thanks for the direction and words of encourage. 
>Some just have thinner skins when it came to the bashing.
>
> There are many who answered on the forum with tons of experience and gave 
> good guidence they all will be missed by the novice. There were some who 
> had no clue yet responded anyway. Others just loved stirring the pot and 
> they were actually the worst...I've known them to laugh at what they did 
> thinking it was funny. Too bad..............Good luck to all.
>
> Now this list will need to do it. Good thing we hava a "reply" as well as 
> a "reply to all"............JD
>>
>>I see Jon has shut down the forum.
> _______________________________________________

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Mar 13 16:09:44 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:09:44 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
References: <962439.79187.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c8855f$5527acf0$6401a8c0@S>

This is sad.  I too drifted away from Landracing.com months ago. That wasn't
really a conscious decision on my part.  I guess it just stopped being fun
as I look back on it.
But I can understand Jon's dilemma.  It's difficult to be a hard nosed
moderator on a forum you sponsor without hurting some of your customer base.
"The customer is always right" just doesn't mix with being a hard nosed
forum moderator.  Especially when your business has serious competition.
That's not a problem here.  But the downside of our format is that we have
no way to post files and pictures here.  Sure one can write an article for
Jon but that's a project that takes a lot more time and really requires that
you have some authority behind your effort....i.e. you know what you're
talking about.  Also there has to be a decent audience for your effort.
The Yahoo group format for all it's technical shortcomings is pretty good
for posting comments, photos and computer files like Word files, Excel
spreadsheets and Autocad .dwg's.  There the commercial side of the forum is
often limited and moderators can wield a lot more power.  I've seen lots of
cases where in some forums people posting are simply blocked due to
obnoxious behavior especially after being warned.  Being a forum moderator
and running a hobby related business just don't mix.  I do know of one very
talented guy in another hobby who runs a small business and moderates in the
forum as well.  Even he stays on the soft side and lets the other moderators
dump on anyone who gets out of line.
Fortunately we have a few of the senior SCTA, USFRA and ECTA guys over here.
Kind of a civilizing influence.  Like "Don't get City Hall mad at you".
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dale Krumheuer" <dmirror3 at yahoo.com>
To: "DougOdom" <dlodom at charter.net>; "LandSpeed List"
<Land-speed at autox.team.net>; "group" <ectalsr at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum

> I don't blame Jon a bit. I've been on many forums over the years and have
learned more than I ever expected to learn. For all of the positive, I am
thankful for the extraordinary amount of talent, wisdom, knowledge and good
intentions, willingly shared and without agenda.
> I have also learned of the negative side, from the few that feel that
their unique opinion, usually laden with sarcasm and criticism, should
matter and be broadcast. They truly believe that their experience, opinions,
observations, condemnation, sarcasm and ultimately ignorance is of benefit
to others on the forum.
> If you ever wondered why there are so many Lurkers, this topic is is the
explanation. Why speak when you stand the chance of being jumped on ?

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Thu Mar 13 16:05:46 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:05:46 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
In-Reply-To: <000a01c8855f$5527acf0$6401a8c0@S>
References: <962439.79187.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<000a01c8855f$5527acf0$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <C02E6F502F714BD5A4C1E69A743D1F83@DaveSatellite>

Does everyone know Jon just bought a new house and moved???
Dave

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Mar 13 16:42:40 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:42:40 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question
In-Reply-To: <002c01c884b9$d1183560$6401a8c0@S>
References: <47D8855F.1030600@mayfco.com> <002c01c884b9$d1183560$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <015201c88563$efa7b0a0$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Mayf;

Ed has pretty well covered this; I'll just add this link to Loctite Nickel
Anti- Seize:

https://tds.us.henkel.com//NA/UT/HNAUTTDS.nsf/web/E898A939BCCBDBFE8825718700
00DBC5/$File/NICASL-EN.pdf

I've always applied the stuff and then run the fastener on & off by hand to
burnish the surface. I've also used Fel- Pro C100 but I think it is
basically just a molybdenum disulfide paste.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Ed Weldon
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:22 PM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com; LSR
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question

Mayf--
a) Depends on how much you tighten them, how much salt is going to be around
them, whether you lubricate the threads with anything, how hot it's going to
get, how good the threads have been cut in the holes, whether you have more
than one diameter of thread engagement and how often you expect to take them
apart.
b)  Use the nickel based original Neversieze.  That way you don't have to
get into questions about what are the materials, temperatures and other
application variables,  That stuff has been around for 60 years that I know
of since we first started using it on fasteners on high temperature
industrial pumps and steam turbines at Worthington Pump.  I started using it
on my car exhaust systems back then when I lived in New Jersey, where salt
on the roads in winter was just as common and just as much of a nuisance as
mosquitos in the summer.  I never again had to buy new u-clamps for the
mufflers. (when you're young and house-poor and exhaust system repairs have
to be done in the driveway usually with it raining).
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti Seize Question
> Two questions: a) is it necessary to use a thread anti seize when using
> stainless steel bolts into aluminum, b) if yes, then what is the
> preferred anti seize of choice?  I have a nickle based high temp
> antiseize and a copper based version (named, by the way, never seize). I
> have, however, heard that milk of magnesia also works.
> mayf

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 21:34:21 2008
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:34:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
In-Reply-To: <C02E6F502F714BD5A4C1E69A743D1F83@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <951283.99509.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

What's that have to do with the reason he shut down the forum? His statement on the forum says it all.
   
  DW

Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren at snet.net> wrote:
  Does everyone know Jon just bought a new house and moved???
Dave
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Mar 13 23:11:28 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:11:28 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
References: <951283.99509.qm@web52505.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005901c8859a$406ca960$6401a8c0@S>

Dan-- I agree with you. Also we really shouldn't be poking our noses into
Jon's personal business.
I suspect the responsibilities associated with the new house have altered
Jon's priorities a bit and maybe require him to reallocate the resources he
devotes to the Landracing.com website.
Were I in his position I'd be looking to that enterprise to produce at least
some tangible return for my years of effort. Mortgage payments have a way of
sharpening one's focus on such things. To that end treating the website more
like a business than just a hobby demands not doing things that may in the
long run hurt the business. Like coming down hard on the insensitive
loudmouths........
 Maybe he can figure out a way to spin off the forum somehow. Then it could be
moderated effectively without irritating a block of customers who have already
shown that they can make noise out of all proportion to their individual
importance.  Is there an existing Yahoo group forum that can pick this up?
Somebody want to start one?  (I don't have the bandwidth to do it myself; but
might be able to volunteer along with other moderators)
Ed Weldon
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: dan warner
  To: Dave Dahlgren ; Ed Weldon ; Dale Krumheuer ; DougOdom ; LandSpeed List ;
group
  Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum


  What's that have to do with the reason he shut down the forum? His statement
on the forum says it all.
  DW

  Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren at snet.net> wrote:
    Does everyone know Jon just bought a new house and moved???
    Dave

From zoombot at cox.net  Fri Mar 14 09:02:31 2008
From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:02:31 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com
Message-ID: <000901c885ec$cf535460$13f96744@HomePC>

    List -

    Darn! I hate to see the forum close on Jon Amo's terrific website. It was
the very first forum I ever logged onto even before I bought my own computer.
While the info is still available there, for me the forum was a twice daily
treat that usually stimulated my brain, or at least made me smile. How sad.

    - Chris Pile aka aircap

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Fri Mar 14 08:36:06 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:36:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com
In-Reply-To: <000901c885ec$cf535460$13f96744@HomePC>
References: <000901c885ec$cf535460$13f96744@HomePC>
Message-ID: <EB0DF5C67FC44A9292F751324BEAF70A@LindaPC>

Chris,  I agree---I will offer my services to Jon, to help moderate---for I 
went on severl times a day---recently I had noticed several times things 
that I had read once would mysteriouly disapear---a POX on those who 
belittled others---several of you OLD farts come to mind--

-and where is the tefelon when we need it---Meeks do you have any coatings 
available for moderators??? 

From landspeed at doesnotplaywellwithothers.net  Fri Mar 14 12:45:56 2008
From: landspeed at doesnotplaywellwithothers.net (LandSpeed)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:45:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] new board if you want it?!
Message-ID: <00ed01c8860c$064d7c10$12e87430$@net>

We are working on the site and the whole thing should be up in a few days,
but for now, the boards are up.

 

I will try to accommodate any topics

 

http://www.justracecars.com/yabb

 

 

Thanks

Bill

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Fri Mar 14 14:19:58 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:19:58 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] new board if you want it?!
References: <00ed01c8860c$064d7c10$12e87430$@net>
Message-ID: <002d01c88619$2ac5a740$6401a8c0@S>

Bill -- You'd best identify yourself.  As for the YaBB host site it sure
doesn't say much.  No indication that their forum system has any capability
for posting and archiving files of photos and other useful reference
information or orderly and efficient archiving of posts by subject, etc.  At
this point it doesn't look like a winner for my purposes.
As far as accomodating "any topics" I, for one, have had it with "wild west,
anything goes" Internet forums.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "LandSpeed" <landspeed at doesnotplaywellwithothers.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] new board if you want it?!

> We are working on the site and the whole thing should be up in a few days,
> but for now, the boards are up.
> I will try to accommodate any topics
> http://www.justracecars.com/yabb
> Thanks Bill

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Fri Mar 14 13:23:20 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:23:20 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] So what'll we do now? (Non-LSR)
Message-ID: <C50EBC98-D93A-4BAF-AA0F-D2A7CDE21090@nancyandjon.org>

I just received an email from "Bill" about the new forum/site he's  
putting up.  Gee-zul-man, what to do?  I don't subscribe to very many  
forums or lists at all -- don't want to do so.  But I was just about  
devastated when Jonathon took down the Forum on landracing.com, and  
wish to heck he'd find a way to bring it back.  I mean, the land  
speed list (you're reading from it right now) is fine, and is all  
that we used to have -- but once we got started with the Forum the  
list lost a bunch of its appeal -- because of the pretty easy way we  
could "interact" on the forum, and the ease of having so many  
different topics without getting too confused..

So -- will I (will you) sign up to this new forum?  I don't know  
anything about it.  I just looked -- and there aren't any posts, and  
the site that'll accompany it isn't up/won't be up for a few days  
(according to the email that brought it to me).  I didn't sign up,  
anyway -- don't want to join something that I might drop out of right  
away if Jon decides to resurrect his forum somehow.

And anyhow, I don't want to give up an inch of the fun Nancy and I  
have with Salt Talks each year.  It's a hoot, it entertains us for  
months on either side of SpeedWeek, and we enjoy  putting on the  
picnic as a fundraiser for landracing.com.  So - I'm inclined to hope  
that some of you'll decide that Jon's Forum was good enough that  
you'll hope he puts it back into service.  That'll keep  
landracing.com up and strong enough to support his work.  Yeah, I  
guess this means that it's time for those of us that want the forum  
-- to send a check his way.  I like Bob Drury's idea -- a buck a  
day.  Check'll go out tomorrow.

Jon , tall guy with moustache
and two 200 MPH Club hats

From dlodom at charter.net  Fri Mar 14 14:18:48 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:18:48 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing forum
Message-ID: <47DAEBB8.4040407@charter.net>

I was thinking ( this scares the hell out of most people that know me ) 
if Jon could get some help monitoring the forum. A couple people to 
watch each section and when someone gets off track could send them a PM 
letting know not to get personal or every thing they post will have to 
be cleared first. Most of the best replies I have gotten have been PM so 
as to not get into a pissin match. The only trouble with that is the 
best answers are not out there for the new people to see.
Like I said, me thinking can be a scary thing.
Doug Odom in big ditch

From saltfevr at q.com  Fri Mar 14 19:14:04 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:14:04 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
In-Reply-To: <47D98448.7060605@charter.net>
References: <47D98448.7060605@charter.net>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W53ECBC402B66A8C677EF10C90B0@phx.gbl>

List;

I see tonite(Fri March 14th)Jon says the forums will return with some changes.
Thanks to all of you who emailed him. Thanks Jon for re-considering!Tom
ShannonMagna, Utah> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:45:12 -0700> From:
dlodom at charter.net> To: Land-speed at autox.team.net> Subject: [Land-speed]
Landracing.com forum> > I see Jon has shut down the forum. Well I don't blame
him. Every thing > seemed to turn into a pissin contest. Someone would ask a
good question > and a bunch of people would jump on it with opinions, not
facts. Then > they would get to bashing each other about their opinions. I
have to > watch that stupid crap on TV between Obama and Hillery.> > Sad, very
sad.> Doug Odom in big ditch> _______________________________________________>
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From landspeed at doesnotplaywellwithothers.net  Sat Mar 15 01:18:00 2008
From: landspeed at doesnotplaywellwithothers.net (LandSpeed)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:18:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] new board if you want it?!
In-Reply-To: <002d01c88619$2ac5a740$6401a8c0@S>
References: <00ed01c8860c$064d7c10$12e87430$@net>
	<002d01c88619$2ac5a740$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <017901c88675$15fbd3a0$41f37ae0$@net>

I understand

I have had the domain for some time and just have not had the time to get
things up and running. The basic topics are there and I would like feedback
of what people want.

Thanks
Bill
SCTA Announcer for El Mirage

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Weldon [mailto:23.weldon at comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:20 PM
To: LandSpeed; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] new board if you want it?!

Bill -- You'd best identify yourself.  As for the YaBB host site it sure
doesn't say much.  No indication that their forum system has any capability
for posting and archiving files of photos and other useful reference
information or orderly and efficient archiving of posts by subject, etc.  At
this point it doesn't look like a winner for my purposes.
As far as accomodating "any topics" I, for one, have had it with "wild west,
anything goes" Internet forums.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "LandSpeed" <landspeed at doesnotplaywellwithothers.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] new board if you want it?!

> We are working on the site and the whole thing should be up in a few days,
> but for now, the boards are up.
> I will try to accommodate any topics
> http://www.justracecars.com/yabb
> Thanks Bill

From kturk at ala.net  Sat Mar 15 01:35:54 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 03:35:54 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] new board if you want it?!
References: <00ed01c8860c$064d7c10$12e87430$@net><002d01c88619$2ac5a740$6401a8c0@S>
	<017901c88675$15fbd3a0$41f37ae0$@net>
Message-ID: <047801c88677$969d2390$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Hey Bill... thanks for stepping up and trying to provide an answer...  Looks 
like Jon has it covered... But obviously you've thought about what to do... 
I personally appreciate it.

Keith 

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sat Mar 15 07:10:04 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:10:04 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing forum
In-Reply-To: <47DAEBB8.4040407@charter.net>
References: <47DAEBB8.4040407@charter.net>
Message-ID: <8E48FF26187E4A3A8478DCD3CED7F76C@LindaPC>

Doug---it not the thinking that scares them---But your thinking and your 
conclusions are SPOT ON--

-I think also  maybe Jon could add a Water Box section---may or may not be 
related to "waterboarding"  lol--

any time there was "incident the monitor could move the post to the water 
box for cooling off or doing a burnout---


Suffering throught the begining of the second day of FOROUM withdrawal.

Jon please reconsider, pretty please!!!!!!!!!!!!!




l
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DougOdom" <dlodom at charter.net>
To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:18 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing forum


>I was thinking ( this scares the hell out of most people that know me )
> if Jon could get some help monitoring the forum. A couple people to
> watch each section and when someone gets off track could send them a PM
> letting know not to get personal or every thing they post will have to
> be cleared first. Most of the best replies I have gotten have been PM so
> as to not get into a pissin match. The only trouble with that is the
> best answers are not out there for the new people to see.
> Like I said, me thinking can be a scary thing.
> Doug Odom in big ditch
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 15 09:29:21 2008
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:29:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] new board if you want it?!
In-Reply-To: <047801c88677$969d2390$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <572820.90039.qm@web52501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Bill,
   
  Thanks for filling in so quickly. As Keith wrote, Jon has a potential solution.
  Lets standby for a short period of time and see what shakes out.
   
  DW

Keith Turk <kturk at ala.net> wrote:
  Hey Bill... thanks for stepping up and trying to provide an answer... Looks 
like Jon has it covered... But obviously you've thought about what to do... 
I personally appreciate it.

Keith 
Land-speed mailing list

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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat Mar 15 10:22:34 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:22:34 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] New hotel
Message-ID: <007e01c886c1$2a698e30$6501a8c0@Glens>

Today's Salt Lake Tribune says that a new 1200 room hotel like the Las Vegas
Bellagio casino will be built in Wendover. This is a $400. mil. project and
should start building in a couple of years. They adding 120 rooms to the
Montego and 300 rooms to the Rainbow. This should help down the road but we
will have to wait for a while.
Glen

From delsolid at gmail.com  Sat Mar 15 14:56:33 2008
From: delsolid at gmail.com (John Romero)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:56:33 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
In-Reply-To: <BAY122-W53ECBC402B66A8C677EF10C90B0@phx.gbl>
References: <47D98448.7060605@charter.net>
	<BAY122-W53ECBC402B66A8C677EF10C90B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <bbf5bf710803151456i18a7bf80mca10f1deb604f012@mail.gmail.com>

I sincerely hope Jon gets it sorted out. I used to post there all the
time and even sent some $. I don't bother anymore. It deteriorated
into a place where complaining, second guessing, pissing and moaning
dominated the conversations. The few intelligent posters were drown
out by the noise of the peanut gallery. I have to admit that I'm not
holding out much hope of it getting any better. The old terms of
service were fine, they just were not enforced at all. Coming up with
new terms of service wont fix the problem if they are not enforced
either.

From saltfever at comcast.net  Sat Mar 15 17:24:42 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:24:42 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] new board if you want it?!
Message-ID: <000001c886fc$2397f160$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Hi Folks:

I had belonged to other lists long before signing up for this list. What I
noticed right away was the relative lack of features or sophistication for
this list compared to the other lists I had belong to years earlier.  As
"Seldom" mentioned others are pretty slick with ease of tracking topics,
posting pics, spell checking, avatars, etc. They all had the look-and-feel
of a commercial product compared to the outdated bulletin-board feel of this
list.  However, the technical content, wisdom, and experience displayed
here, far overshadowed or diminished the triviality of format. When Jon's
site came along, it filled the need for a slicker interface and it was easy
for me to just accept and enjoy this list as it is.



What I don't understand is who started this list? I thought Keith approached
Mark about it? Who is Mark and what does he do? Why hasn't Mark updated its
features or functions to be more like the newer forums we see? And if Jon's
forum has a problematic future, why doesn't Mark just remanufacture this
list into a modern look & feel?  BTW, I have been on a bulletin board since
1982; what is the difference between a forum or a list?  Oh, so many
questions . . . sorry!   -Elon

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sat Mar 15 18:36:53 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:36:53 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
References: <47D98448.7060605@charter.net><BAY122-W53ECBC402B66A8C677EF10C90B0@phx.gbl>
	<bbf5bf710803151456i18a7bf80mca10f1deb604f012@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601c88706$390a0290$6401a8c0@S>

First off, I don't want to see Jon fail at his enterprise, landracing.com.
But I said it before, on line forums and message boards are fundamentally
incompatible with the objectives of most businesses.
The owner/manager simply doesn't want to irritate his customer base so
he/she thinks that the bad stuff that shows up on the bulletin board is OK
as long as it brings customers to the store.  Wrong!!  It doesn't work.
We're looking at a textbook case study here.  Every store bulletin board
I've ever seen eventually gets torn down because the store owner doesn't
want to manage it the way that's needed in a world populated with a
component of self serving jerks.  Doesn't really matter whether it's
internet or brick and mortar.  The end result is always the same.  Either
Jon treats his site as a hobby that doesn't need to make money or please
customers or he treats it as a business. In the former case he can be hard
nosed and just block the jerks.  In the latter case the only way is to dump
the "bulletin board" thing.  He'll never be able to prevent the damage these
egocentric parasites can do to his venture.  Far as I know there is no
in-between formula.
Steve Hatch owner of the Ukiah, CA, based Railway Engineering Co. started an
HOn3 Yahoo model train group and quickly turned it over to some tough minded
moderators with no connection to his business to manage.  It's been an
overwhelming sucess; and hasn't hurt his business one bit.  Matter of fact
he often posts to the group and manages to stay quietly on the side when the
moderators have to come down hard on someone who pushes the rules.  Net
result, the jerks get mad at the moderators and Steve just shrugs his
shoulders with quiet pride.
I think this is one example Jon Amo could follow.
Ed Weldon Los Gatos, CA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Romero" <delsolid at gmail.com>
To: "LandSpeed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum


> I sincerely hope Jon gets it sorted out. I used to post there all the
> time and even sent some $. I don't bother anymore. It deteriorated
> into a place where complaining, second guessing, pissing and moaning
> dominated the conversations. The few intelligent posters were drown
> out by the noise of the peanut gallery. I have to admit that I'm not
> holding out much hope of it getting any better. The old terms of
> service were fine, they just were not enforced at all. Coming up with
> new terms of service wont fix the problem if they are not enforced
> either.

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Sat Mar 15 19:57:13 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:57:13 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
References: <47D98448.7060605@charter.net><BAY122-W53ECBC402B66A8C677EF10C90B0@phx.gbl>
	<bbf5bf710803151456i18a7bf80mca10f1deb604f012@mail.gmail.com>
	<000601c88706$390a0290$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <47DC8C82.00000D.01724@HOME>

Just a question or two...First, why put so much responsibility on Jon for
the sanity of the forum? Isn't it up to the participants to be sensible? I
think that Jon put this web site in place as a service to the LSR Community
because we had limits (no pictures/attachments, message length limits, etc.)
in place on the network. It is a lot of work to keep a site going, even
without the unnecessary gibberish it attracts. Can't we all act like
grownups and appreciate what he makes available? Sure there is some
unnecessary rudeness. Usually it is worth wading through some of that to
ferret out the good. I really like what Jon makes available!

Just my take on this subject. I don't wear my feelings on my sleeve. If I
don't like what I see, I hit the delete button.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sat Mar 15 22:19:35 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:19:35 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
References: <47D98448.7060605@charter.net><BAY122-W53ECBC402B66A8C677EF10C90B0@phx.gbl><bbf5bf710803151456i18a7bf80mca10f1deb604f012@mail.gmail.com>
	<000601c88706$390a0290$6401a8c0@S> <47DC8C82.00000D.01724@HOME>
Message-ID: <002701c88725$5653c790$6401a8c0@S>

Tom--
You're right on a lot of counts.  Jon's forum was a real service to us as a
place to expand topics of interest..  Maybe we should be there to help a bit
more than just sending a few bucks from time to time.  I don't really think
the best answer here is starting a separate new forum.
I just had a long talk with Sandy, my wife, about internet forums she
participates in (mostly computer art and crafts) and what she thought of our
situation.  We both agree on the need for and the effort involved in effective
moderation of these forums.  Effective moderation has to strike a balance
between too soft and too hard.  I submit that this is not easy for a
businessman doing it himself.
Sure we all should be able to act like grownups.  But sometimes, especially
after a few beers, we get out of line.  Sandy observed that problems on her
forums came up more frequently on weekends at just the time that active
moderators were somewhere else and maybe the people posting were, shall we
say, just a bit loose.  She also mentioned that a certain amount of
selectivity for forum membership was not a bad thing.
Personally I'd like to see Jon restart the forum with some new rules and some
dedicated helpers as moderators.  That way he can drop out of the day to day
management of the forum and act mainly in a behind the scenes lead role.  I
think being a forum moderator requires a time commitment and a willingness to
spend some of one's own political capital.  And I think there are some of us
that would be willing.
Jon-- You got your ears on?  I think a call for help would be a good thing.
Ed Weldon
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tom Bryant
  To: John Romero ; LandSpeed List ; Ed Weldon
  Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 6:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum


        Just a question or two...First, why put so much responsibility on Jon
for the sanity of the forum? Isn't it up to the participants to be sensible? I
think that Jon put this web site in place as a service to the LSR Community
because we had limits (no pictures/attachments, message length limits, etc.)
in place on the network. It is a lot of work to keep a site going, even
without the unnecessary gibberish it attracts. Can't we all act like grownups
and appreciate what he makes available? Sure there is some unnecessary
rudeness. Usually it is worth wading through some of that to ferret out the
good. I really like what Jon makes available!

        Just my take on this subject. I don't wear my feelings on my sleeve.
If I don't like what I see, I hit the delete button.

        Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sat Mar 15 21:26:44 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:26:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
In-Reply-To: <002701c88725$5653c790$6401a8c0@S>
References: <47D98448.7060605@charter.net><BAY122-W53ECBC402B66A8C677EF10C90B0@phx.gbl><bbf5bf710803151456i18a7bf80mca10f1deb604f012@mail.gmail.com><000601c88706$390a0290$6401a8c0@S>
	<47DC8C82.00000D.01724@HOME> <002701c88725$5653c790$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <6828FDFC36414E4198F9BBC804C3203D@LindaPC>

Ed,  I agree,  I sent Jon a message offering to help---I just don;t know 
about the political capital---I have none to spare in some areas---

I would be able to help out with bikes though---I dont run one===lol---- I 
have retracted and cancled many post when it was late at night and I was 
tired---or maybe had one to many "liberators"---lol
----- Original Message ----- 
From: 

From saltfever at comcast.net  Sun Mar 16 15:57:53 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:57:53 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Landracing.com forum
Message-ID: <000001c887b9$2bcf8920$6401a8c0@dim8100>

OK, I'm a little confused and know it is my fault. I use to read Jon's forum
daily when it got the shiny new interface. However, I haven't visited it in
the past year due to time. I can barely keep up with this digest. A year ago
the forum was great. Great experience, great technical data, and
constructive help from all around. Now everyone says it has degraded but
this Land-speed list seems to keep plugging along. Except for a few
Otto-like deviations everyone here are pretty good friends! So why is this
list OK, and why is Jon's list not ok? What is the difference? I have been
on pilot forums and business forums. No one has bigger egos than pilots and
racers :-) The pilot forums RARELY need any moderation. The Innovate forum
is run by a business and it is thriving. The Van's RV list, run by
Matronics,is thriving. If the forum is truly gone can this list be upgraded
with modern features?  -Elon

From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>

First off, I don't want to see Jon fail at his enterprise, landracing.com.
But I said it before, on line forums and message boards are fundamentally
incompatible with the objectives of most businesses. The owner/manager
simply doesn't want to irritate his customer base so he/she thinks that the
bad stuff that shows up on the bulletin board is OK as long as it brings
customers to the store.  Wrong!!  It doesn't work.

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Mon Mar 17 06:52:51 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:52:51 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] ab jenkins
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16AD5@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

On sale for $25.



http://www.motorbooks.com/Store/ProductDetails_36109.ncm





Did you ever order so many parts that Visa called to see if you were OK?
Bwahahahahaha



Where is that dang brown truck?





David in Durango

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 17 15:05:14 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:05:14 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] ab jenkins
In-Reply-To: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16AD5@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
References: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16AD5@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W48BCF1CE1F06EB001D8D39D9050@phx.gbl>

Gordon signed mine personally to me in November at the EMMR 'movie day'
benefit party
                                     (see www.emmr.org)

BTW  Gordon holds, [or held]  the SCTA world record for vintage midgets with
his '48 KK midget

 -set in '88 or '89 on the salt...   -hey, I don't remember which,  my mind is
gone


   c heers to ya ,  ' Dirt  Track  Doug '
    -22 miles from Square Deal Raceway,
    -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway,
    -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway
    -105 miles south of   'the Syracuse Mile' ...
    -262 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway
    -2225 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats
              but never more than a few feet from a cold one

      .......................................................................
..............................................................


> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:52:51 -0600
> From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org
> To: land-speed at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Land-speed] ab jenkins

>
> On sale for $25.     >
http://www.motorbooks.com/Store/ProductDetails_36109.ncm
>
>
>
>
>
> Did you ever order so many parts that Visa called to see if you were OK?
Bwahahahahaha
>
>
>
> Where is that dang brown truck?    > > > >> David in Durango

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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 17 16:27:52 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:27:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suppression System
Message-ID: <792215.33536.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm getting ready to re-do the fire system in my car and I'm wondering what the most common engine compartment fire fighting agent is: CO2, Foam, Dry Chem?  How about responding with what you are using in your car?  
   
  DickJ
  In East Texas

       
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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 17 16:29:16 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:29:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Calling Skip Higgenbotham
Message-ID: <421822.12350.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Skip, please contact me off list.  I only have your old email address.
   
  Dick J

       
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Mon Mar 17 16:46:07 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:46:07 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suppression System
References: <792215.33536.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <028301c88889$126364e0$6501a8c0@Glens>

Call Joe Timney at Delaware Chassis, he can help you as he is a supplier
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick J" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
To: "lsr list autox" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suppression System


> I'm getting ready to re-do the fire system in my car and I'm wondering 
> what the most common engine compartment fire fighting agent is: CO2, Foam, 
> Dry Chem?  How about responding with what you are using in your car?
>
>  DickJ
>  In East Texas
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From saltfevr at q.com  Mon Mar 17 19:09:39 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:09:39 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] ab jenkins
In-Reply-To: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16AD5@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
References: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16AD5@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
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Just checked it out for 28  days from the SLC Main Library.

Tom ShannonMagna, Utah



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land-speed at Autox.Team.Net> Subject: [Land-speed] ab jenkins> > On sale for
$25.> > > > http://www.motorbooks.com/Store/ProductDetails_36109.ncm> > > > >
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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Mon Mar 17 20:06:06 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:06:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suppression System
In-Reply-To: <792215.33536.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <792215.33536.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9A4EFBB95B2E4886B1B631E8DC64B6A5@LindaPC>

Dick,  I have bee extremely happy with the service and the Fire Fox system I 
got from Joe Timmney at Deleware Chassics Works---very straight forward and 
simple to install the lines, actuator cables, nozzels and tank mounting 
brackets---I got the 7-8# bottles.

From dlodom at charter.net  Tue Mar 18 09:24:17 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:24:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Forum start up
Message-ID: <47DFECB1.4090301@charter.net>

Jon, Tues. works for me.   Doug Odom in big ditch

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Tue Mar 18 12:41:48 2008
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?jimwebb?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:41:48 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suppression System
Message-ID: <20080318194148.12201.qmail@station173.com>

Dick,

Firefox from Joe Timney.

Jim Webb
Choc Full o' Nuts
A/PP B/PP ?/FL


 -------Original Message-------
 From: Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
 Subject: [Land-speed] Fire Suppression System
 Sent: Mar 17 '08 23:27
 
 I'm getting ready to re-do the fire system in my car and I'm wondering what the most common engine compartment fire fighting agent is: CO2, Foam, Dry Chem?  How about responding with what you are using in your car?  
   
   DickJ
   In East Texas

From Saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Mar 21 07:17:19 2008
From: Saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:17:19 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Home?
Message-ID: <20080321151623.87C06187869@autox.team.net>

Anyone there?
Skip

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Mar 21 07:19:30 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:19:30 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] It's Too Quiet or Did I get Dropped From the List?
Message-ID: <47E3C3F2.9000202@mayfco.com>

I have not received list email in a number of days...ya'll finally get 
tired of me?

mayf

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Fri Mar 21 07:22:08 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:22:08 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] It's Too Quiet or Did I get Dropped From the List?
In-Reply-To: <47E3C3F2.9000202@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16AFC@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Is the sun coming over the mountain?  Most of Pahrump seems to be awake.

List works, if I wasn't "working" I'd be in the garage . . . .

David

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 8:20 AM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] It's Too Quiet or Did I get Dropped From the List?

I have not received list email in a number of days...ya'll finally get
tired of me?

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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Mar 21 07:53:41 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:53:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Home?
In-Reply-To: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16AFB@cddgomsx01.durang
	o-co.catholichealth.net>
References: <20080321151623.87C06187869@autox.team.net>
	<DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16AFB@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <20080321155245.6E18C1878A1@autox.team.net>

Thanks David and Mayf,
I've been out in the shop beginning the installation of the new 871 
on the liner.
Skip (Sun's up)

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 21 07:57:03 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:57:03 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] It's Too Quiet or Did I get Dropped From the List?
In-Reply-To: <47E3C3F2.9000202@mayfco.com>
References: <47E3C3F2.9000202@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W807C08753C15AAE5C2F1CD9010@phx.gbl>

we all got dropped Mayf      - by 'indifference'    ;-)




        c heers to ya ,  ' Dirt  Track  Doug '
          -2225 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats
                        but never more than a few feet from a cold one


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troubles' :




             VULGAS VULT DECEPI   - Phaedrus

                          (  the (common)  people wish to be deceived  )

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> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:19:30 -0700
> From: drmayf at mayfco.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] It's Too Quiet or Did I get Dropped From the List?



 I have not received list email in a number of days...ya'll finally get tired
of me?

 mayf

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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri Mar 21 07:57:37 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:57:37 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Home?
References: <20080321151623.87C06187869@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <004101c88b63$e7e86750$6501a8c0@Glens>

Yep, I'M here but heading for So.Cal in a few minutes, it's been pretty 
quiet, must be day lite savings and everyone is busy on the cars. Have a 
great Easter.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 8:17 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Home?


> Anyone there?
> Skip
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From RACE427 at aol.com  Fri Mar 21 08:03:01 2008
From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:03:01 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] 37 REO speedwagon engine parts?  non LSR
Message-ID: <c5f.2aa1319e.35152825@aol.com>

Anyone have leads on where I may locate a camshaft, oil pump,  tappets for 
this year vintage engine?    Vo Tech school  project.
 
     Thanks,    Tony  G  LI,NY



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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Fri Mar 21 08:06:00 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:06:00 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] It's Too Quiet or Did I get Dropped From the List?
References: <47E3C3F2.9000202@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <47E3CED8.000007.02488@D3DP98F1>

Mayf,

I thought about you last night while watching a DVD, "Mars Attack", starring
 Jack Nicholson. While the people were going to where the Martians were
going to land, I saw a road sign pointing to Pahrump. Just thought you might
want to be watching for the aliens!

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

-------Original Message-------

From: drmayf
Date: 3/21/2008 6:20:15 AM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] It's Too Quiet or Did I get Dropped From the List?

I have not received list email in a number of days...ya'll finally get
tired of me?

mayf

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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Fri Mar 21 12:27:00 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:27:00 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Home?
References: <20080321151623.87C06187869@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c88b89$8dc864c0$6401a8c0@S>

Sure, Skip.  Just a bit preoccupied with Jon Amo's forums at the moment.
Hey, here's something good for you guys that haven't discovered it or
something similar.  A water/humidity curing preimpregnated resin/fiberglas
tape.  Made by a local outfit here in San Jose. Neat stuff to have handy in
the trailer.  Available from Lowes around $10 last time I looked.
http://www.durapower.com/
http://www.durapower.com/Pipe%20&%20Hose.htm
http://www.durapower.com/patch_kit.htm
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=16462-72798-FST260
So here's my story--
I've got this 5000 gallon water tank for my well with a christmas tree of
valves at the bottom outlet.   Last week I'm doing a "light" repair and got
a bit heavy handed with a pipe wrench.  Bad scene.  Cracked steel 1-1/4"
pipe nipple right where it goes into a big reducer at the tank wall inside
the first valve.  Full tank with 10ft head pressure and a nice 1 gpm spray
fountain from the break.  So I head off to the not so local hardware store
(Orchard Supply in San Jose) hoping to find a solution.  And find it I did.
DuraPower Pipe and Hose repair kit. Cost $18 and change there; pricey but at
that point I was ready to pay a lot more.  Inside the box were  a sealed
plastic bag, a pair of "medium" latex gloves that didn't fit me and some
directions.  Cut open the sealed bag and found a flat roll of 2" wide x 60"
long sticky resin impregnated fiberglass tape (reason for the gloves) that
would cure once it exposed to air (which always contains some humidity).
Instructions said that if you put it in water first it would cure a lot
faster, like 30-40 minutes.
I dug out around the pipe so I could wrap it without getting too much dirt
sticking to it and pulled tight with each wrap per the instruction until the
whole 60 inches was wrapped on.  The crack was in the corner where the pipe
thread entered the larger cast iron reducing bushing. Not exactly an ideal
situation.  A conventional pipe repair clamp wouldn't work and the water
pressure would fight any ordinary tape, gasket goop or epoxy.
Well, it worked like a charm. No more leak.  After a few minutes the curing
and swelling of the resin became visible.  And no leaks visible since.  And
no, I'm not sure what the temperature limits might be.  Need to contact
DuraPower.
Any of you guys have experience with this go tell the story over on the
Landracing.com forum for folks who stay over there.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <Saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:17 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Home
> Anyone there?   Skip

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Mar 21 12:26:26 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:26:26 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] It's Too Quiet or Did I get Dropped From the List?
In-Reply-To: <47E3FB6A.8040600@wildblue.net>
References: <47E3C3F2.9000202@mayfco.com>
	<47E3CED8.000007.02488@D3DP98F1> <47E3FB6A.8040600@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <47E40BE2.8070508@mayfco.com>

Yup, so I am told.. Mars Attack was made in P-rump. The ones with the 
giat worms eating everyting that stars Reba was salso made here. 
Original plus a couple of sequels, none of which I can remember the 
names of, lol..

mayf
Bryan Savage wrote:

>
> Thanks Tom.
>
> Best laugh I've had all day!
>
> Bryan
>
>
> Tom Bryant wrote:
>
>> Mayf,
>>
>> I thought about you last night while watching a DVD, "Mars Attack", 
>> starring
>>  Jack Nicholson. While the people were going to where the Martians were
>> going to land, I saw a road sign pointing to Pahrump. Just thought 
>> you might
>> want to be watching for the aliens!
>>
>> Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 21 13:20:15 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:20:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Loading up for Texas Mile
Message-ID: <868128.56898.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I started loading the truck and trailer getting ready for the Texas Mile on the 29th & 30th.  I'm anxious to see what the car will do.  I spent most of the runs at Maxton last fall trying to learn how to drive the car.  Switching from five hundred horses to eight hundred made a considerable difference in how the car acts.  In fact, it doesn't really act like a car any more!  Is anybody off the list going to be there?
   
  DickJ
  In East Texas

       
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From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Fri Mar 21 13:33:14 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:33:14 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Loading up for Texas Mile
In-Reply-To: <868128.56898.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16B05@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Dang, once again relegated to domestic chores and a dedication to
gainful employment.  But I WILL make it someday.

Best wishes, keep the fancy dismounts to a minimum!

David in Durango

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Dick J
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:20 PM
To: lsr list autox
Subject: [Land-speed] Loading up for Texas Mile

I started loading the truck and trailer getting ready for the Texas Mile
on the 29th & 30th.  I'm anxious to see what the car will do.  I spent
most of the runs at Maxton last fall trying to learn how to drive the
car.  Switching from five hundred horses to eight hundred made a
considerable difference in how the car acts.  In fact, it doesn't really
act like a car any more!  Is anybody off the list going to be there?

  DickJ
  In East Texas


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From fosterap at flash.net  Fri Mar 21 13:36:42 2008
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:36:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Loading up for Texas Mile
In-Reply-To: <868128.56898.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <251420.50590.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm gonna try to attend .......I'll see you there.
  Jerry in Dallas

Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com> wrote:
  I started loading the truck and trailer getting ready for the Texas Mile on the 29th & 30th. I'm anxious to see what the car will do. I spent most of the runs at Maxton last fall trying to learn how to drive the car. Switching from five hundred horses to eight hundred made a considerable difference in how the car acts. In fact, it doesn't really act like a car any more! Is anybody off the list going to be there?

DickJ
In East Texas


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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Mar 21 16:15:05 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:15:05 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Loading up for Texas Mile
In-Reply-To: <868128.56898.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <868128.56898.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080322001429.07E9F187879@autox.team.net>

Good luck Dick. How did the fire system come out?
Skip






At 01:20 PM 3/21/2008, Dick J wrote:
>I started loading the truck and trailer getting ready for the Texas 
>Mile on the 29th & 30th.  I'm anxious to see what the car will 
>do.  I spent most of the runs at Maxton last fall trying to learn 
>how to drive the car.  Switching from five hundred horses to eight 
>hundred made a considerable difference in how the car acts.  In 
>fact, it doesn't really act like a car any more!  Is anybody off the 
>list going to be there?
>
>   DickJ
>   In East Texas
>
>
>-

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Fri Mar 21 20:01:07 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:01:07 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Loading up for Texas Mile
In-Reply-To: <868128.56898.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080321230107.3S3B6.85070.imail@fed1rmwml15>

Good luck---wish I coud be ther!!!!!!!!!!!
---- Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> I started loading the truck and trailer getting ready for the Texas Mile on the 29th & 30th.  I'm anxious to see what the car will do.  I spent most of the runs at Maxton last fall trying to learn how to drive the car.  Switching from five hundred horses to eight hundred made a considerable difference in how the car acts.  In fact, it doesn't really act like a car any more!  Is anybody off the list going to be there?
>    
>   DickJ
>   In East Texas

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Sat Mar 22 05:15:26 2008
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?jimwebb?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:15:26 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Loading up for Texas Mile
Message-ID: <20080322121526.19417.qmail@station173.com>

I was planning to go but then my dear sweet wife decided we needed to go on a vacation at that time, so I will miss this meet. I think Bernie is still planning to go. He has a new street car he wants to try out!

Jim Webb
Choc Full o' Nuts


 -------Original Message-------
 From: Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
 Subject: [Land-speed] Loading up for Texas Mile
 Sent: Mar 21 '08 20:20
 
 I started loading the truck and trailer getting ready for the Texas Mile on the 29th & 30th.  I'm anxious to see what the car will do.  I spent most of the runs at Maxton last fall trying to learn how to drive the car.  Switching from five hundred horses to eight hundred made a considerable difference in how the car acts.  In fact, it doesn't really act like a car any more!  Is anybody off the list going to be there?
   
   DickJ
   In East Texas

From sardatech at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 22 15:31:15 2008
From: sardatech at yahoo.com (tom sarda)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:31:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] valve geometry
Message-ID: <376265.74217.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hey list,
Has anyone run into the challenge of installing a
solid lifter cam in a roller lifter block? I'm working
in my 88 chevy block and simply want to put in a solid
cam. The new lifters go way down in the bore but I
haven't looked to see if they hang out the bore. The
oil hole in the lifter is in a different location than
on the hydraulic roller. can you just modify the solid
lifter to allow for oil flow and then just get a
longer push rod?
What do you think?
thanks,
 Tom


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From mactem at mebtel.net  Sun Mar 23 04:51:13 2008
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:51:13 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] (Non LSR) Car pictures
Message-ID: <001501c88cdc$324510e0$0400a8c0@brightstar>

Here's a site that has fantastic array of nice car pictures.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/index.html
David

From kturk at ala.net  Sun Mar 23 04:53:32 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:53:32 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Loading up for Texas Mile
References: <20080322121526.19417.qmail@station173.com>
Message-ID: <018c01c88cdc$87aa5540$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

quibbling... or something like that...

Keith 

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sun Mar 23 07:21:16 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:21:16 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire suit?
Message-ID: <A05E17A6-A792-48E0-BD67-295C4B9725B9@comcast.net>

I've commented on Carbon-X on the list before.  Here's the latest on  
the fabric for many uses in addition to racing.

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695263591,00.html

Wes

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sun Mar 23 07:48:00 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:48:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] valve geometry
In-Reply-To: <376265.74217.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <376265.74217.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080323154718.CF03B187655@autox.team.net>

Tom,
Why choose a solid lifter cam over a roller?
Skip




At 03:31 PM 3/22/2008, tom sarda wrote:
>Hey list,
>Has anyone run into the challenge of installing a
>solid lifter cam in a roller lifter block? I'm working
>in my 88 chevy block and simply want to put in a solid
>cam. The new lifters go way down in the bore but I
>haven't looked to see if they hang out the bore. The
>oil hole in the lifter is in a different location than
>on the hydraulic roller. can you just modify the solid
>lifter to allow for oil flow and then just get a
>longer push rod?
>What do you think?
>thanks,
>  Tom
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From ed at vetteracing.com  Sun Mar 23 18:12:55 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:12:55 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Home?
Message-ID: <W210808905215481206321175@webmail11>

Wish I had some of this stuff when my fan went throughthe radiator on a down
record run......... Looks like it works betterthan JB Weld.
Ed


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Weldon [mailto:23.weldon at comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:27 PM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net, 'Skip Higginbotham'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Home?

Sure, Skip. Just a bit preoccupied with Jon Amo's forums at the moment.Hey,
here's something good for you guys that haven't discovered it orsomething
similar. A water/humidity curing preimpregnated resin/fiberglastape. Made by a
local outfit here in San Jose. Neat stuff to have handy inthe trailer.
Available from Lowes around $10 last time I
looked.http://www.durapower.com/http://www.durapower.com/Pipe%20&%20Hose.htmh
ttp://www.durapower.com/patch_kit.htmhttp://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=pr
oductDetail&productId=16462-72798-FST260So here's my story--I've got this 5000
gallon water tank for my well with a christmas tree ofvalves at the bottom
outlet. Last week I'm doing a "light" repair and gota bit heavy handed with a
pipe wrench. Bad scene. Cracked steel 1-1/4"pipe nipple right where it goes
into a big reducer at the tank wall insidethe first valve. Full tank with 10ft
head pressure and a nice 1 gpm sprayfountain from the break. So I head off to
the not so local hardware store(Orchard Supply in San Jose) hoping to find a
solution. And find it I did.DuraPower Pipe and Hose repair kit. Cost $18 and
change there; pricey but atthat point I was ready to pay a lot more. Inside
the box were a sealedplastic bag, a pair of "medium" latex gloves that didn't
fit me and somedirections. Cut open the sealed bag and found a flat roll of 2"
wide x 60"long sticky resin impregnated fiberglass tape (reason for the
gloves) thatwould cure once it exposed to air (which always contains some
humidity).Instructions said that if you put it in water first it would cure a
lotfaster, like 30-40 minutes.I dug out around the pipe so I could wrap it
without getting too much dirtsticking to it and pulled tight with each wrap
per the instruction until thewhole 60 inches was wrapped on. The crack was in
the corner where the pipethread entered the larger cast iron reducing bushing.
Not exactly an idealsituation. A conventional pipe repair clamp wouldn't work
and the waterpressure would fight any ordinary tape, gasket goop or
epoxy.Well, it worked like a charm. No more leak. After a few minutes the
curingand swelling of the resin became visible. And no leaks visible since.
Andno, I'm not sure what the temperature limits might be. Need to
contactDuraPower.Any of you guys have experience with this go tell the story
over on theLandracing.com forum for folks who stay over there.Ed Weldon-----

From jon.the.wise at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 19:42:12 2008
From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jon Bishop)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:42:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fire suit?
In-Reply-To: <A05E17A6-A792-48E0-BD67-295C4B9725B9@comcast.net>
References: <A05E17A6-A792-48E0-BD67-295C4B9725B9@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <DE6CCDFC-11A9-4E43-B80A-098232D0333A@gmail.com>

I think that's the same stuff they used on Smash Lab. It's a  
discovery show, similar in content to mythbusters. On one episode,  
they designed a fire-proofing system for a house that used CarbonX  
with a layer of heat resistant material called nanogel sewn into the  
middle of it. It was amazing... you can actually watch the episode on  
the discovery web site, but external tempuratures were over 2000  
degrees, and the outside wall of the house (covered in the carbon/ 
nanogel mix) was under under 100. Until the frayed edges of their  
carbon caught fire. I think if they would have had all the seams sewn  
internally, the thing would have stood up to the fire.

~Jon



On Mar 23, 2008, at 7:21 AM, Wester Potter wrote:

> I've commented on Carbon-X on the list before.  Here's the latest on
> the fabric for many uses in addition to racing.
>
> http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695263591,00.html
>
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From kturk at ala.net  Mon Mar 24 17:13:46 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:13:46 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanks Dan...
Message-ID: <002401c88e0d$185f7fd0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

I just got my 2008 SCTA rule book... and the Camaro is used in the Classic car
picture...   Just wanted to thank Dan Warner for that.... he's my hero...

I'm sure there are others... but I just want to Blame Dan...

Keith

From ed at vetteracing.com  Mon Mar 24 19:38:37 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:38:37 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanks Dan...
Message-ID: <W1267313933227951206412717@webmail13>

That doesn't look like you standing next to it tho ;-)
Ed


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Turk [mailto:kturk at ala.net]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 05:13 PM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanks Dan...

I just got my 2008 SCTA rule book... and the Camaro is used in the Classic
carpicture... Just wanted to thank Dan Warner for that.... he's my hero...I'm
sure there are others... but I just want to Blame
Dan...Keith_______________________________________________

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Mar 27 08:20:19 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:20:19 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Tuning Parameters for 302 / 5.0 L Ford
Message-ID: <47EBBB33.6060405@mayfco.com>

Folks, I am trying to compare my tuning with what others have used 
successfully. Just a par tof my yearly routine to get the World's 
Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) ready for the summer festivities on the salt 
flats.

I am going to give the partiulars for my motor.  Please send me 
information only for Ford 302 / 5.0L as that data for chevies, dodges, 
or any other make does not help me at all! Just hit the delete button 
and press on, please.

My motor:
306.11 CID
AFR 205cc heads (2.08 / 1.60 valves) 64 cc chamber
8.5:1 forged pistons
Turbocharged (but send any data for any kind of boosted motor, not NOS 
though)

I am primarily interested in the spark and fuel maps you are using for 
this kind of combo.  Include the boost level you are using, please. 
Ditto for mechanical advance bwing used.

I will answer any and all responses and can even send my spark and fuel 
maps for you viewing pleasure...

hurry... want to hit the dyno in april

mayf

From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Mar 27 13:07:14 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:07:14 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] SCTA Site
Message-ID: <47EBFE72.3010307@charter.net>

Went to the SCTA web site front page. They have a notice about an 
inspectors meeting, but they covered up the names and phone numbers with 
pictures and sponsor ads.   Looks like April 12th at noon.       Doug 
Odom in big ditch

From mactem at mebtel.net  Sat Mar 29 11:06:13 2008
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:06:13 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] (Non LSR) test
Message-ID: <008f01c891c7$93d35840$0400a8c0@brightstar>

I haven't seen any messages in a couple of days.  Is everybody in their
garages?
David

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat Mar 29 11:16:04 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:16:04 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] (Non LSR) test
References: <008f01c891c7$93d35840$0400a8c0@brightstar>
Message-ID: <008201c891c8$f3e7ca80$6501a8c0@Glens>

Hi Dave
I am, or on the computer wondering where everyone is. 
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mobley-Anderson" <mactem at mebtel.net>
To: "'LSR'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:06 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] (Non LSR) test


>I haven't seen any messages in a couple of days.  Is everybody in their
> garages?
> David
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From mactem at mebtel.net  Sat Mar 29 11:17:40 2008
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:17:40 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] (Non LSR) test
Message-ID: <009401c891c9$2cd94670$0400a8c0@brightstar>

Thanks Glenn,  I thought I was voted off the Island and didn't even know
it!  LOL.
David

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Sat Mar 29 11:43:27 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:43:27 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] (Non LSR) test
References: <008f01c891c7$93d35840$0400a8c0@brightstar>
	<008201c891c8$f3e7ca80$6501a8c0@Glens>
Message-ID: <47EE8DCF.000025.03944@D3DP98F1>

Hello fellows,

 I have been nursing a bum shoulder, (torn biceps tendon) for a few weeks so
was not able to do much of anything. Had surgery on the other elbow to
repair a burst bursa about a month ago.  Margaret had her second hip
replacement in February just after our trip it Portland and is doing nicely,
so it has been hectic around here.

I'm beginning to feel better and am able to do a few things other than care
for Margaret and cover for her at work. I sent my seat belt and harness to
Deist for rewewebbing and they are on the way back to me.  Sent the computer
to RacePak to add second fuel pressure sensor and to repair the scoop
pressure sensor. Also ordered the kit ISP Seats to make new head area
restraints. The engine is ready to go to John Beck for dynoing. There are
various other upgrades and improvements to the overall machine that I am
doing as well.  Looking forward to the May Lakes Meet.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Sat Mar 29 14:33:01 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:33:01 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] (Non LSR) test
In-Reply-To: <008f01c891c7$93d35840$0400a8c0@brightstar>
References: <008f01c891c7$93d35840$0400a8c0@brightstar>
Message-ID: <8D0C300C-50D7-4B26-894C-8AD18DCA8656@nancyandjon.org>

On Mar 29, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Mobley-Anderson wrote:

I haven't seen any messages in a couple of days.  Is everybody in their
garages?
David




I wish it were that simple.  I caught a cold a couple of weeks ago --  
or so I thought, but then it hung on, and I had about one-third the  
strength of a newborn kitten, and I felt worse -- and so I just laid  
low for a week.  Too bad -- it was the week when the final details of  
selling Star Industries (my company) were being worked out, and I  
missed lots of the excitement.  Fortunately the sale is still going  
through and all is well).  Anyway, a couple of days ago I finally got  
up the nerve to go to the doctor, and sure enough, he said -- "You've  
got what looks like walking pneumonia, Jon".  So I went on  
antibiotics and have a little more energy now -- not much, but some.   
Today I ventured out to visit Nancy at work -- my first shopping trip  
in a week or so.  I've gotta get better quickly -- we plan to leave  
this coning Wednesday morning for the first Maxton event of the  
year.  No racing -- although we'll take leathers and firesuit in case  
someone feels sorry for us.  But I'll inspect bikes, and Nancy will  
look good, and we'll at least get together with our friends after a  
long winter.

We're also stopping in Columbus, Ohio, to visit with the firm that's  
doing the feasibility study on our next business -- the Motel 6 that  
we want to build up here in Marquette. If they give it a thumbs-up --  
we start construction as soon as possible.  And yes, in case you're  
wondering, the real reason we're building a Motel 6 is so we can ask  
for "corporate" privileges and grab a room in Wendover in the future!

Best regards to all, and we look forward to seeing each of you again  
soon.

       Jon Wennerberg
Tall guy with moustache
and a pair of 2 Club hats

From mactem at mebtel.net  Sat Mar 29 21:10:06 2008
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:10:06 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] (Non LSR) test
Message-ID: <011001c8921b$f044eb80$0400a8c0@brightstar>

Jon, glad your up and "walking" around.  Too much time in that snow plow
probably.  I'll miss you and Nancy at Maxton this month because I'll be
attending EFI University gettin me some learnin. (Trying to get past
that carburetor thing).  I hate how the universe makes everything happen
on the same weekend!  Seems like there should be a rule against it.
Anyway, glad you're feeling better. Have a safe trip.
David

From mactem at mebtel.net  Sun Mar 30 09:12:18 2008
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:12:18 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] (non LSR) EFIU
Message-ID: <012701c89280$d414c7e0$0400a8c0@brightstar>

John,  I don't know if Ben will be there or not.  I was hoping to meet
him because Gary spoke so highly of him.  I am definitely looking
forward to it, and plan on learning a lot.  Are you still thinking about
coming to Maxton?  I'll be at the June event and will gladly help out in
any way I can.  Hope to see you there.
David

From sardatech at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 30 09:33:15 2008
From: sardatech at yahoo.com (tom sarda)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:33:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] 327
Message-ID: <707763.75033.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
I wonder if any one knows if the '66 chevy 327 came
with a forged crankshaft.
Thanks,
Tom


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From dlodom at charter.net  Sun Mar 30 10:19:07 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:19:07 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 327
References: <707763.75033.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002201c8928a$2a9f3c40$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

> Hi all,
> I wonder if any one knows if the '66 chevy 327 came
> with a forged crankshaft.
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>I believe that from 62 to 67 Chevy made both cast and forged cranks for the 
>327. The cast number is  3782680 and the forged number is 4577.
That is the best I remember it anyway.        Doug Odom in big ditch
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________________

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sun Mar 30 10:24:17 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:24:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 327
In-Reply-To: <707763.75033.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <707763.75033.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0E8D07D3BCA04A2281059F40EC7CA75F@LindaPC>

could have---GM is those years had an option in some models that let you 
upgrade to a forged 4 bolt for 35.00
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From vintagethunder at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 30 10:41:50 2008
From: vintagethunder at hotmail.com (Udo Horn)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:41:50 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] 327
In-Reply-To: <002201c8928a$2a9f3c40$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <707763.75033.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<002201c8928a$2a9f3c40$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W31FB02496F8C183E9E941DDDFB0@phx.gbl>

Tom, Starting '62 thru '68 small journal 327 forge cranks could be identified
by the crank snout.  If factory drilled and threaded for a bolt it was forged
(bolt on balance), if it had a lathe center it was cast (press on balancer).
1968 they made a steel large journel 327 crank  for school bus engines.
Udo> From: dlodom at charter.net> To: sardatech at yahoo.com;
land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:19:07 -0700> Subject: Re:
[Land-speed] 327> > > Hi all,> > I wonder if any one knows if the '66 chevy
327 came> > with a forged crankshaft.> > Thanks,> > Tom> >> >I believe that
from 62 to 67 Chevy made both cast and forged cranks for the > >327. The cast
number is 3782680 and the forged number is 4577.> That is the best I remember
it anyway. Doug Odom in big ditch> > > >
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From sardatech at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 30 13:59:14 2008
From: sardatech at yahoo.com (tom sarda)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:59:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] 327
Message-ID: <453787.50668.qm@web50401.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hey guys, 
Thanks so much for the information. This list is
really a fine source when you got to have info to make
a decision. I always say "The more info you have the
better the decision you will make." Thaks a lot guys.
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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 30 16:39:34 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:39:34 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] 327
In-Reply-To: <707763.75033.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <707763.75033.qm@web50403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W4883371AF508D239FE7E42D9FB0@phx.gbl>

  yupper...  maybe one of the last ones whut did

     small journal 327 = rev lik hell = go lik hell

         2.00 mains / 3.25 stroke  (  a'course a 283 crank in that block revs
even better )     LOL                     -don' t mention it   ;-)

   c heers to ya ,  ' Dirt  Track  Doug '
    -2225 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats
              but never more than a few feet from a cold one


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> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:33:15 -0700
> From: sardatech at yahoo.com
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] 327
>
> Hi all,
> I wonder if any one knows if the '66 chevy 327 came with a forged
crankshaft.

 Thanks,
> Tom

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From mactem at mebtel.net  Sun Mar 30 16:50:49 2008
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:50:49 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] (Non LSR) test
Message-ID: <013601c892c0$e1a3e590$0400a8c0@brightstar>

Hi Gary,  EFIU is in Chicago (Park Villa) and somewhere in Colorado at
the same time (April 5/6). I'm going to Chicago and am not really sure
who will be the teacher.  I'm hoping it is Ben.  His book is very
informative,  easy to read and absorb, so I think he would also be a
great teacher. But I'll take whoever.  
Also looking forward to you and John being at Maxton.  See you soon.
David

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Mon Mar 31 13:20:31 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:20:31 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Book donation
Message-ID: <BC82C0AE-6C14-46D8-824A-F27A0C76E31F@nancyandjon.org>

Just for the heck of it I bought another copy of Rocky Robinson's  
book "Flat Out".  He's the guy that rides the Ack Attack streamliner  
bike, and the book is a great way to spend a couple of evenings  
reading.  Anyway, I emailed Rocky and asked if he'd autograph the  
book so I could donate it to our local library.  He did -- a nice  
note saying the book was for the folks at the Peter White Public  
Library" and that Nancy and I had donated it, and so on.  Today I  
took it over to the library and gave it to them.

Gee-zul-man, you'd think I had given them a handful of gold or  
something.  They thanked me about a dozen times, asked for my mailing  
address so they could write an official letter thanking us, said  
they'd be putting a "nameplate" on the inside of the book telling  
everyone who donated it, and so on.  They were tickled pink to have a  
signed copy of a book for their collection.  When I mentioned that  
they could put it in the stacks along with the "Bonneville Wide Open"  
DVD that I gave them a year ago -- well, again, they were very happy  
to know that they already had some Bonneville stuff.

So -- if you've got the inclination, think about doing the same thing  
-- buy a copy of the book from Rocky, ask him to sign it for your  
library, and then donate it.  That's one way to let the local folks  
learn something about this sport/affliction of ours.

I might even see if Land Speed Louise still has copies of her book --  
a photo book would be another fine donation to the library.  And  
then, when people around here ask for more information about land  
speed racing -- I know that they can find stuff in the library.

Jon , tall guy with moustache
and two 200 MPH Club hats

From dlodom at charter.net  Mon Mar 31 21:38:35 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:38:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Racing but not LSR
Message-ID: <47F1BC4A.2020600@charter.net>

Check out this raceway idea. Looks like its going to be next to the old 
Castle Air Force base if it does get built. Yesterday was the first I 
had heard of it. Interesting concept.        Doug  Odom in big ditch