From saltfevr at q.com Mon Jun 2 21:17:36 2008 From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:17:36 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Fabulous Bonneville History Clips>From>JGMagoo In-Reply-To: <053120081705.1059.48418547000AAC700000042322007507440101090E030906@comcast.net> References: <053120081705.1059.48418547000AAC700000042322007507440101090E030906@comcast.net> Message-ID: JG;' Thanks for sharing. Also fun seeing "The Mayor" George Calloway. Thanks again.Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> From: jgmagoo at comcast.net> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:05:11 +0000> Subject: [Land-speed] Fabulous Bonneville History Clips>From>JGMagoo> > Set aside almost an hour for this. I think you'll find it worth it!> > Some great Bonneville History and great footage of early hot rodding. > > definitely with sound:> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zilevreAzoE oart 1 of 6> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Job736g6OW0 part 2 of 6> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfDBMAZ_-eA part 3 of 6> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yzCGYKSjyw part 4 of 6> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbjeYqshR_k oart 5 of 6> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z42kcuqNCu4 oart 6 of 6> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Land-speed mailing list> > You are subscribed as saltfevr at q.com> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From neil at dbelltech.com Tue Jun 3 11:17:55 2008 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:17:55 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Fabulous Bonneville History Clips>From>JGMagoo In-Reply-To: References: <053120081705.1059.48418547000AAC700000042322007507440101090E030906@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002801c8c59d$c6954db0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Thanks, Tom-- great video. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Shannon Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:18 PM To: jgmagoo at comcast.net; land-speed-digest Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fabulous Bonneville History Clips>From>JGMagoo JG;' Thanks for sharing. Also fun seeing "The Mayor" George Calloway. Thanks again.Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> From: jgmagoo at comcast.net> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:05:11 +0000> Subject: [Land-speed] Fabulous Bonneville History Clips>From>JGMagoo> > Set aside almost an hour for this. I think you'll find it worth it!> > Some great Bonneville History and great footage of early hot rodding. > > definitely with sound:> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zilevreAzoE oart 1 of 6> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Job736g6OW0 part 2 of 6> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfDBMAZ_-eA part 3 of 6> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yzCGYKSjyw part 4 of 6> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbjeYqshR_k oart 5 of 6> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z42kcuqNCu4 oart 6 of 6> From neil at dbelltech.com Sat Jun 7 12:57:08 2008 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 11:57:08 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <02b301c8aef7$c8dad980$0200a8c0@DBTech> References: <001001c8aef6$c8661420$6401a8c0@dim8100> <02b301c8aef7$c8dad980$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Where is everyone? It is quiet as a tomb lately. I've been cutting, grinding, and welding on my chassis but I do get a minute here and there to check e- mail. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ From lsr_man at yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 13:56:10 2008 From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <152695.58080.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So quiet, in fact, that I tried to re-subscribe to the list this morning.  I thought I had been dropped. I've been trying to get some work done on my car (like get the tansmission back in) but it's so hot that I only last fifteen minutes at a time then have to come in and cool off.  Since i won't be doing Bonneville this year though, I have until the fall Texas Mile to get it done.   DickJ In east Texas From neil at dbelltech.com Sat Jun 7 14:05:16 2008 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:05:16 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <152695.58080.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> <152695.58080.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00fb01c8c8d9$cfcf8000$0200a8c0@DBTech> Dick; There's no way I can have my car ready by Speed Week but I'm shooting for next year. Yeah, I think summer is here now. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ _____ From: Dick J [mailto:lsr_man at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:56 PM To: 'land-speed submit'; neil at dbelltech.com Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There So quiet, in fact, that I tried to re-subscribe to the list this morning. I thought I had been dropped. I've been trying to get some work done on my car (like get the tansmission back in) but it's so hot that I only last fifteen minutes at a time then have to come in and cool off. Since i won't be doing Bonneville this year though, I have until the fall Texas Mile to get it done. DickJ In east Texas From yesford at clear.net.nz Sat Jun 7 17:56:29 2008 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:56:29 +1200 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There References: <001001c8aef6$c8661420$6401a8c0@dim8100> <02b301c8aef7$c8dad980$0200a8c0@DBTech> <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <9FDF084C11D34C30BD59D3B9A0EE331F@ChrisHarrisPC> Where is everyone? It is quiet as a tomb lately. I've been cutting, grinding, and welding on my chassis but I do get a minute here and there to check e- mail. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ Thought the same Neil, was going to check my connection this morning till your letter arrived. Down here we're a little later on our prep than usual but everything going well. Finally dynoed our new 'B' motor last weekend and going back in the roadster now to test fire in the car next weekend, and we're ready. We load our shipping container on the 11th July for arrival at Long Beach on the 30th. Got a big contingent of 7 cars and 3 bikes competing this Speedweek from NZed plus a lot of supporters on general tour. Haven't heard any word on how the salt's shaping up, hope no news is good news. Salt condition usually dominates the list from here on in, so what's the word ? Regards to all, Chris Harris. From neil at dbelltech.com Sat Jun 7 18:58:38 2008 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:58:38 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <9FDF084C11D34C30BD59D3B9A0EE331F@ChrisHarrisPC> References: <001001c8aef6$c8661420$6401a8c0@dim8100> <02b301c8aef7$c8dad980$0200a8c0@DBTech> <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> <9FDF084C11D34C30BD59D3B9A0EE331F@ChrisHarrisPC> Message-ID: <013d01c8c902$cbd1eff0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Chris; I've wondered about the condition of the salt, too but have not heard anything. How did your dyno test go? It sounds like there will be many Kiwis at the Salt Talks this year-great! Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ _____ From: Chris Harris [mailto:yesford at clear.net.nz] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:56 PM To: neil at dbelltech.com; 'land-speed submit' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There Where is everyone? It is quiet as a tomb lately. I've been cutting, grinding, and welding on my chassis but I do get a minute here and there to check e- mail. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ Thought the same Neil, was going to check my connection this morning till your letter arrived. Down here we're a little later on our prep than usual but everything going well. Finally dynoed our new 'B' motor last weekend and going back in the roadster now to test fire in the car next weekend, and we're ready. We load our shipping container on the 11th July for arrival at Long Beach on the 30th. Got a big contingent of 7 cars and 3 bikes competing this Speedweek from NZed plus a lot of supporters on general tour. Haven't heard any word on how the salt's shaping up, hope no news is good news. Salt condition usually dominates the list from here on in, so what's the word ? Regards to all, Chris Harris. From wester6935 at comcast.net Sat Jun 7 19:45:31 2008 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:45:31 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <152695.58080.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <152695.58080.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1880E70C-DB10-4F7D-A13E-BA1AB6E30261@comcast.net> Hot? We had snow at Alta this morning and day before yesterday they had the snow plows out to clear the 10" of snow that fell up there Wednesday evening. Sure do enjoy those four seasons. There may have been more rain on the salt last night too. Wes On Jun 7, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Dick J wrote: > So quiet, in fact, that I tried to re-subscribe to the list this > morning.  I thought I had been dropped. I've been trying to get > some work done on my car (like get the tansmission back in) but it's > so hot that I only last fifteen minutes at a time then have to come > in and cool off.  Since i won't be doing Bonneville this year > though, I have until the fall Texas Mile to get it done. >   > DickJ > In east Texas > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as wester6935 at comcast.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From kturk at ala.net Sat Jun 7 19:48:46 2008 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:48:46 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK] Too Quiet Out There References: <001001c8aef6$c8661420$6401a8c0@dim8100><02b301c8aef7$c8dad980$0200a8c0@DBTech> <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <001601c8c909$cba95520$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> I've been building a couple of things.... scooters mostly but I am also finishing the 32 Roadster project and getting ready to start on the Disco Nova... Other then that... I'm looking forward to seeing Chris again this year as well as everyone else... K From ifixmgs at cox.net Sat Jun 7 22:41:16 2008 From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 0:41:16 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There Message-ID: <20080608004116.59D5P.116920.imail@eastrmwml24.mgt.cox.net> Let's see.... - tractor cluch crapped out: parts $1000, labor 10 unpaid knuckle skinning hours so far to split it in half . Still waiting on 2 bearings and a linkage.... - wife totalled her car : out of pocket for new wheels $5,800 (she's finally recovered from the airbag's roundhouse right ...) - plumbing flood on first floor and crawlspace: $13,700 Thanks to Chubb Insurance's "get it fixed, send us the bill and get back to life" zero hassle claim service. Even so, we're still cooking and washing dishes on the back deck and the remodeling has eaten about sixty hours of our time that we really don't have to spare... - Drag car wouldn't fire up after driving onto the trailer and wasting nearly a C-note in gas to haul it to the race track and back last Sunday. Still haven't figured it out (intermittent fuel pressure and spark) - Shifter kart wadded up a chain during race on Memorial Day and took out a brand new tire and brake assy. But today's our anniversary - we spent the whole day at Norfolk's HarborFest/Parade of Tall Ships - forgot all about the minor inconveniences that sometimes take the focus away from what's really important - stuff like cutting and grinding and welding for fun... neil at dbelltech.com wrote: > Where is everyone? It is quiet as a tomb lately. I've been cutting, > grinding, and welding on my chassis but I do get a minute here and there to > check e- mail. > > Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as ifixmgs at cox.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From BWANA343 at aol.com Sun Jun 8 08:54:23 2008 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 10:54:23 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There Message-ID: In a message dated 6/8/2008 12:41:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ifixmgs at cox.net writes: Let's see.... I just went through a week like that. Washing machine rotted out the tub after a lousy 23 years, slow leak enabled me to move it out into the driveway. Hooked up the cold water line and electric, and ran a pool hose for the drain down the drive. Wifey don't see the humor, we ordered a new one. Cable went out for TV, alternating calls to either get new box, "adjustments from point of origin", and being on hold, the worst part. No Speed TV till Techie shows on Tuesday. Little counter lights going out all over the kitchen, under the Nuker, over sink Fluorescent, etc. PIA tracking down correct bulbs, transformers. Oh Yeah, Due to all the restraints put on us by Maine Wildlife, Insurance, other LSR events, weather, and the general fear of commitment by volunteers to a new site, it appears our Maine LSR project is terminal, at least for this year. I am currently trying to contact North East SCCA people to see if there's interest in a partnership between LSR and Solo 1 or 2 at our distant venue. I will next try organizing Marque car clubs for group Time Trials, i.e., Corvette, Viper, BMW, Porch. Sounds like more money with the super cars, too. More inclined to travel to The End of The World, Maine. BOB W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From adin at frontier.net Sun Jun 8 09:14:28 2008 From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 09:14:28 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080608091428.5qhj2mo7k8o40cg8@webmail.brainstorminternet.net> Bwahahaha, sounds like we are all suffering that nasty, depressing "life syndrome" . . . I've had two scheduled weeks of vacation (thrash on the project) weeks "rescheduled" this spring. Washing machine blues (broken switch arm as it turns out) and who wants to fool with that cr at p? Since the $4billion in sponsorship failed to come through again this year (anyone else?) and gas i $4/ gallon I'm forced to work, the shame of it all. I hope everyone is healthy and SOMEONE gets something out on the salt or it'll be boring sitting in the shade w/ a cool one . . . cheers, David in Durango, c'mon paycheck c'mon parts! Quoting BWANA343 at aol.com: > In a message dated 6/8/2008 12:41:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > ifixmgs at cox.net writes: > > Let's see.... > > > I just went through a week like that. > Washing machine rotted out the tub after a lousy 23 years, slow leak enabled > me to move it out into the driveway. Hooked up the cold water line and > electric, and ran a pool hose for the drain down the drive. > Wifey don't see the humor, we ordered a new one. > Cable went out for TV, alternating calls to either get new box, "adjustments > from point of origin", and being on hold, the worst part. No Speed TV till > Techie shows on Tuesday. > Little counter lights going out all over the kitchen, under the Nuker, over > sink Fluorescent, etc. PIA tracking down correct bulbs, transformers. > Oh Yeah, > > Due to all the restraints put on us by Maine Wildlife, Insurance, other LSR > events, weather, and the general fear of commitment by volunteers to a new > site, it appears our Maine LSR project is terminal, at least for this year. > I am currently trying to contact North East SCCA people to see if there's > interest in a partnership between LSR and Solo 1 or 2 at our distant venue. I > will next try organizing Marque car clubs for group Time Trials, i.e., > Corvette, Viper, BMW, Porch. Sounds like more money with the super > cars, too. More > inclined to travel to The End of The World, Maine. > BOB W > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as adin at frontier.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From dwarner230 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 8 10:01:28 2008 From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 09:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <695108.87202.qm@web52508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Most conversation takes place at www.landracing.com, forums.   Give it a try.   DW --- On Sat, 6/7/08, neil at dbelltech.com <neil at dbelltech.com> wrote: From: neil at dbelltech.com <neil at dbelltech.com> Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There To: "'land-speed submit'" <land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008, 11:57 AM Where is everyone? It is quiet as a tomb lately. I've been cutting, grinding, and welding on my chassis but I do get a minute here and there to check e- mail. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ Land-speed mailing list You are subscribed as dwarner230 at yahoo.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From dlodom at charter.net Sun Jun 8 12:31:42 2008 From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:31:42 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There References: <695108.87202.qm@web52508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002601c8c995$e6668e50$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA> OK I'm a dummy. What the hell is   ??? Doug Odom more confused than ever in big ditch ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan warner" To: "'land-speed submit'" ; Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There > Most conversation takes place at www.landracing.com, forums. >   > Give it a try. >   > DW From dwarner230 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 8 12:42:26 2008 From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <002601c8c995$e6668e50$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA> Message-ID: <376309.88967.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> OH, OK I see it.   That was left over from a paste I did. I guess I didn't edit my post.   www.landracing.comm   DW --- On Sun, 6/8/08, Doug Odom <dlodom at charter.net> wrote: From: Doug Odom <dlodom at charter.net> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There To: dwarner230 at yahoo.com, "'land-speed submit'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>, neil at dbelltech.com Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 11:31 AM OK I'm a dummy. What the hell is &nbsp; ??? Doug Odom more confused than ever in big ditch ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan warner" <dwarner230 at yahoo.com> To: "'land-speed submit'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <neil at dbelltech.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There > Most conversation takes place at www.landracing.com, forums. > &nbsp; > Give it a try. > &nbsp; > DW > From neil at dbelltech.com Sun Jun 8 13:49:42 2008 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:49:42 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <20080608004116.59D5P.116920.imail@eastrmwml24.mgt.cox.net> References: <20080608004116.59D5P.116920.imail@eastrmwml24.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <017601c8c9a0$cd4153a0$0200a8c0@DBTech> What was the name of that little guy in the "L'il Abner" comic strip who always had that black cloud over his head? Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: ifixmgs at cox.net [mailto:ifixmgs at cox.net] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:41 PM To: neil at dbelltech.com; 'land-speed submit' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There Let's see.... - tractor cluch crapped out: parts $1000, labor 10 unpaid knuckle skinning hours so far to split it in half . Still waiting on 2 bearings and a linkage.... - wife totalled her car : out of pocket for new wheels $5,800 (she's finally recovered from the airbag's roundhouse right ...) - plumbing flood on first floor and crawlspace: $13,700 Thanks to Chubb Insurance's "get it fixed, send us the bill and get back to life" zero hassle claim service. Even so, we're still cooking and washing dishes on the back deck and the remodeling has eaten about sixty hours of our time that we really don't have to spare... - Drag car wouldn't fire up after driving onto the trailer and wasting nearly a C-note in gas to haul it to the race track and back last Sunday. Still haven't figured it out (intermittent fuel pressure and spark) - Shifter kart wadded up a chain during race on Memorial Day and took out a brand new tire and brake assy. But today's our anniversary - we spent the whole day at Norfolk's HarborFest/Parade of Tall Ships - forgot all about the minor inconveniences that sometimes take the focus away from what's really important - stuff like cutting and grinding and welding for fun... neil at dbelltech.com wrote: > Where is everyone? It is quiet as a tomb lately. I've been cutting, > grinding, and welding on my chassis but I do get a minute here and there to > check e- mail. > > Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as ifixmgs at cox.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From jolylance at earthlink.net Sun Jun 8 13:55:31 2008 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:55:31 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There References: <20080608004116.59D5P.116920.imail@eastrmwml24.mgt.cox.net> <017601c8c9a0$cd4153a0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <000301c8c9a1$a27da500$2101a8c0@WinXP> Joe Bstllficzk ? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "'land-speed submit'" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There > What was the name of that little guy in the "L'il Abner" comic strip who > always had that black cloud over his head? > > Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ From neil at dbelltech.com Sun Jun 8 13:55:51 2008 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 12:55:51 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <695108.87202.qm@web52508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> <695108.87202.qm@web52508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <017a01c8c9a1$aa682a10$0200a8c0@DBTech> Thanks, Dan-I sort of suspected that but this e- mail is so much more convenient, at least to me. I'll check out the forum, though. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ _____ From: dan warner [mailto:dwarner230 at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:01 AM To: 'land-speed submit'; neil at dbelltech.com Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There Most conversation takes place at www.landracing.com, forums. Give it a try. DW --- On Sat, 6/7/08, neil at dbelltech.com wrote: From: neil at dbelltech.com Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There To: "'land-speed submit'" Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008, 11:57 AM Where is everyone? It is quiet as a tomb lately. I've been cutting, grinding, and welding on my chassis but I do get a minute here and there to check e- mail. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ Land-speed mailing list You are subscribed as dwarner230 at yahoo.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From neil at dbelltech.com Sun Jun 8 14:01:21 2008 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:01:21 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <000301c8c9a1$a27da500$2101a8c0@WinXP> References: <20080608004116.59D5P.116920.imail@eastrmwml24.mgt.cox.net> <017601c8c9a0$cd4153a0$0200a8c0@DBTech> <000301c8c9a1$a27da500$2101a8c0@WinXP> Message-ID: <017f01c8c9a2$6eaee620$0200a8c0@DBTech> Thanks, it was something like that. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: joseph lance [mailto:jolylance at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:56 PM To: neil at dbelltech.com; ifixmgs at cox.net; 'land-speed submit' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There Joe Bstllficzk ? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "'land-speed submit'" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There > What was the name of that little guy in the "L'il Abner" comic strip who > always had that black cloud over his head? > > Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ From v4gr at rcn.com Sun Jun 8 15:03:44 2008 From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 14:03:44 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] More Packard stuff Message-ID: <000c01c8c9ab$23a7a8c0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Some guys gave me a 374 Packard V8 a while back. So this weekend I decided to take it apart to use as a mockup for my Stude truck. Outside is very dirty. Inside is very clean. There is a dent in the pan from the inside, but no sign of why looking at the rods. The neat part is it has no oil pump. The vacum pump line has been pluged. But no pump. It has what look like new .020 bearings that are seriously torn up. Crank needs work too. Good news is that I have a NOS crank/rods and bearing set. No oil pump. How many beers does that take? From ddahlgren at snet.net Sun Jun 8 15:51:06 2008 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 17:51:06 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] More Packard stuff In-Reply-To: <000c01c8c9ab$23a7a8c0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <000c01c8c9ab$23a7a8c0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <0AF33801025C4860AD851F2CB000C9A9@DaveSatellite> Hey a Packard with a 'dry sump'..LOL Maybe after 12 or 27 beers they said hey just leave out the oil and pump and it will have a 'dry sump' all the other stuff is just over priced 'bling' ROtFLMAO... Hey think I will have another cold one and head for the assembly room / sandbox.. Have not finished the first 12 pack yet.. That 'Joe six pack' stuff is for the lightweights.. Better you that me Rich.. Though would rather have been tearing down a Packard than assembling office furniture with the instructions written in ' Chinglish'.. If so kindly atsh numba 12345 wi numba 23453.. sigh.. Thought I would try to save a few bucks for a desk and some book cases from Staples as I run a machine / electronics shop not a legal office.. I don't mind stuff from 3'd world countries but this is 4'th or 5'th or completely out of this world. Some assembly required my a$$..9 hours later I have 6 bookcases and a desk sorta still need to put on the top and a couple of other things.. I think it is time for vino and pasta.... or pizza.. LOL they deliver that.. BTW Connecticut was 87 by the shore, me, and 96 inland so in training for Wendover.. turned off well never installed the AC yet so just made believe I was at Wendover.. LOL Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Fox" To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: [Land-speed] More Packard stuff > Some guys gave me a 374 Packard V8 a while back. So this weekend I decided > to > take it apart to use as a mockup for my Stude truck. Outside is very > dirty. > Inside is very clean. There is a dent in the pan from the inside, but no > sign > of why looking at the rods. The neat part is it has no oil pump. The vacum > pump line has been pluged. But no pump. It has what look like new .020 > bearings that are seriously torn up. Crank needs work too. Good news is > that I > have a NOS crank/rods and bearing set. No oil pump. How many beers does > that > take? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as ddahlgren at snet.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ddahlgren at snet.net Sun Jun 8 15:54:11 2008 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 17:54:11 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] More Packard stuff In-Reply-To: <000c01c8c9ab$23a7a8c0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <000c01c8c9ab$23a7a8c0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: Hey a Packard with a 'dry sump'..LOL Maybe after 12 or 27 beers they said hey just leave out the oil and pump and it will have a 'dry sump' all the other stuff is just over priced 'bling' ROtFLMAO... Hey think I will have another cold one and head for the assembly room / sandbox.. Have not finished the first 12 pack yet.. That 'Joe six pack' stuff is for the lightweights.. Better you that me Rich.. Though would rather have been tearing down a Packard than assembling office furniture with the instructions written in ' Chinglish'.. If so kindly atsh numba 12345 wi numba 23453.. sigh.. Thought I would try to save a few bucks for a desk and some book cases from Staples as I run a machine / electronics shop not a legal office.. I don't mind stuff from 3'd world countries but this is 4'th or 5'th or completely out of this world. Some assembly required my a$$..9 hours later I have 6 bookcases and a desk sorta still need to put on the top and a couple of other things.. I think it is time for vino and pasta.... or pizza.. LOL they deliver that.. BTW Connecticut was 87 by the shore, me, and 96 inland so in training for Wendover.. turned off well never installed the AC yet so just made believe I was at Wendover.. LOL Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Fox" To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: [Land-speed] More Packard stuff > Some guys gave me a 374 Packard V8 a while back. So this weekend I decided > to > take it apart to use as a mockup for my Stude truck. Outside is very > dirty. > Inside is very clean. There is a dent in the pan from the inside, but no > sign > of why looking at the rods. The neat part is it has no oil pump. The vacum > pump line has been pluged. But no pump. It has what look like new .020 > bearings that are seriously torn up. Crank needs work too. Good news is > that I > have a NOS crank/rods and bearing set. No oil pump. How many beers does > that > take? From wester6935 at comcast.net Sun Jun 8 19:30:04 2008 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 19:30:04 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <000301c8c9a1$a27da500$2101a8c0@WinXP> References: <20080608004116.59D5P.116920.imail@eastrmwml24.mgt.cox.net> <017601c8c9a0$cd4153a0$0200a8c0@DBTech> <000301c8c9a1$a27da500$2101a8c0@WinXP> Message-ID: Btfsplk ... stick your tongue out and give a raspberry to pronounce it. On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:55 PM, joseph lance wrote: > Joe Bstllficzk ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "'land-speed submit'" > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There > > >> What was the name of that little guy in the "L'il Abner" comic >> strip who >> always had that black cloud over his head? >> >> Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as wester6935 at comcast.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ed at vetteracing.com Sun Jun 8 22:10:05 2008 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:10:05 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There Message-ID: I understand perfectly............ and that scares me Ed -----Original Message----- From: Wester Potter [mailto:wester6935 at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 06:30 PM To: 'joseph lance' Cc: ''land-speed submit'' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There Btfsplk ... stick your tongue out and give a raspberry to pronounce it.On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:55 PM, joseph lance wrote:> Joe Bstllficzk ?>> ----- Original Message -----> From: > To: ; "'land-speed submit'" >> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:49 PM> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There>>>> What was the name of that little guy in the "L'il Abner" comic >> strip who>> always had that black cloud over his head?>>>> Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html>> Land-speed mailing list>> You are subscribed as wester6935 at comcast.net>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed____________________________ ___________________Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.htmlLand-speed mailing listYou are subscribed as ed at vetteracing.comhttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From wester6935 at comcast.net Sun Jun 8 22:39:20 2008 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:39:20 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <024BED09-0E65-4BA1-9690-003D3879176C@comcast.net> That's the fun part about Al Capp. All of his characters were so outlandish but strangely very real. Earthquake McGoon, the Scraggs boys and who can forget Moonbeam Mc Swine? Pansy Yokum lives still. His earliest stuff is available at: http://www.comics.com/comics/lilabner/index.html You can check back to see the first 1934 L'il Abner strips. Wes On Jun 8, 2008, at 10:10 PM, Ed Van Scoy wrote: > I understand perfectly............ and that scares me > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wester Potter [mailto:wester6935 at comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 06:30 PM > To: 'joseph lance' > Cc: ''land-speed submit'' > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There > > Btfsplk ... stick your tongue out and give a raspberry to pronounce > it. On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:55 PM, joseph lance wrote: > Joe > Bstllficzk ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; "'land- > speed submit'" > > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:49 PM > Subject: > Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There > > >> What was the name of > that little guy in the "L'il Abner" comic >> strip who >> always had > that black cloud over his head? >> >> Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as wester6935 at comcast.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed > _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > Land-speed mailing list You are subscribed as ed at vetteracing.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com Mon Jun 9 06:42:56 2008 From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:42:56 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <695108.87202.qm@web52508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> <695108.87202.qm@web52508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20AAB5F63@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> I'll skip landracing.com for a while, Till Ratliff tires of rabble rousing another site. Mike M. -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.ne t] On Behalf Of dan warner Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 12:01 PM To: 'land-speed submit'; neil at dbelltech.com Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There Most conversation takes place at www.landracing.com, forums.   Give it a try.   DW From dlodom at charter.net Mon Jun 9 07:43:34 2008 From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:43:34 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There References: <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech><695108.87202.qm@web52508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20AAB5F63@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> Message-ID: <000401c8ca36$d08e4a90$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA> Mike, Just put him on " Ignore " and you don't see his dribble. Doug Odom in big ditch ----- Original Message ----- From: "MEIERLE Mike" To: ; "land-speed submit" Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There > I'll skip landracing.com for a while, Till Ratliff tires of rabble > rousing another site. > > Mike M. From jolylance at earthlink.net Mon Jun 9 19:06:43 2008 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 21:06:43 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There References: <024BED09-0E65-4BA1-9690-003D3879176C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002501c8ca96$45dfa910$04000100@WinXP> My favorite was Apassionata Von Climax ----- Original Message ----- From: Wester Potter To: Ed Van Scoy Cc: joseph lance ; 'land-speed submit' Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There That's the fun part about Al Capp. All of his characters were so outlandish but strangely very real. Earthquake McGoon, the Scraggs boys and who can forget Moonbeam Mc Swine? Pansy Yokum lives still. His earliest stuff is available at: http://www.comics.com/comics/lilabner/index.html You can check back to see the first 1934 L'il Abner strips. Wes From jon.the.wise at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 22:55:16 2008 From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jon Bishop) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 21:55:16 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There In-Reply-To: <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> References: <001001c8aef6$c8661420$6401a8c0@dim8100> <02b301c8aef7$c8dad980$0200a8c0@DBTech> <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <6CC0A0EE-7FF7-4BC7-BB11-275D1B1B9C8C@gmail.com> On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:57 AM, wrote: > Where is everyone? It is quiet as a tomb lately. I've been cutting, > grinding, and welding on my chassis but I do get a minute here and > there to > check e- mail. > Well, I just picked up a Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder Chassis, and am now in the process of removing what few parts are left (from the otherwise stripped chassis) and cleaning up for undercoating. After that, I get to start pulling parts of my Eclipse GSX. When I'm done, hopefully I'll have a nice All Wheel Drive convertible, that will go really fast. It's already pretty quick, but I only got 40 miles on it before the tranny lost 2nd gear, and most of those were just to get it into some state of 'tune' (albeit, the butt dyno has been known to lie) so I guess once it's all combined, It'll be back to tuning, and hoping nothing else in the drivetrain breaks (at least until I get it dialed in). So, LOTS AND LOTS of screws, bolts, and nuts to be turned here. From saltfever at comcast.net Tue Jun 10 00:04:22 2008 From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 23:04:22 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? Message-ID: <000501c8cabf$d4c2f550$6501a8c0@dim8100> Can folks give recommendations on different brands of garage/shop lifts. A couple of years ago I talked to two reps at a car show each representing a different brand. I can't remember the names but I was interested in the latching (locking) mechanism , the design safety factor, and the way they were certified or tested. It was discouraging. Neither rep new anything about safety factor, or what I was talking about. One brand was not certified by any organization and the other was certified by an independent organization the company started! Talk about conflict of interest! That brand was proud of their testing and had examples of overload failures and some luke-warm information on the latch design. The other brand provided anecdotal data on the latch safety but no engineering analysis. Anyway, that was a few years ago and I was hoping things had changed. If you have a lift could you indicate why you choose the style you have and the brand name. Also, now that you have experience with it are there thing you wish you had considered before buying? Thanks in advance, -Elon From neil at dbelltech.com Tue Jun 10 11:14:26 2008 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:14:26 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? In-Reply-To: <000501c8cabf$d4c2f550$6501a8c0@dim8100> References: <000501c8cabf$d4c2f550$6501a8c0@dim8100> Message-ID: <026f01c8cb1d$71812bc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> I'd be interested in that, too. Elon. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Elon Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:04 PM To: land-speed submit Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? Can folks give recommendations on different brands of garage/shop lifts. A couple of years ago I talked to two reps at a car show each representing a different brand. I can't remember the names but I was interested in the latching (locking) mechanism , the design safety factor, and the way they were certified or tested. It was discouraging. Neither rep new anything about safety factor, or what I was talking about. One brand was not certified by any organization and the other was certified by an independent organization the company started! Talk about conflict of interest! That brand was proud of their testing and had examples of overload failures and some luke-warm information on the latch design. The other brand provided anecdotal data on the latch safety but no engineering analysis. Anyway, that was a few years ago and I was hoping things had changed. If you have a lift could you indicate why you choose the style you have and the brand name. Also, now that you have experience with it are there thing you wish you had considered before buying? Thanks in advance, -Elon _______________________________________________ From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Tue Jun 10 11:47:10 2008 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:47:10 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? References: <000501c8cabf$d4c2f550$6501a8c0@dim8100> <026f01c8cb1d$71812bc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <007d01c8cb22$02e75220$6501a8c0@Glens> I have seen both in use and I would opt for the 4 post. Seems the two post in the center gets in the way when working on that part of a vehicle while up in the air. I think both have positive stops to keep from falling. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Elon'" ; "'land-speed submit'" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? > I'd be interested in that, too. Elon. > > Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Elon > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:04 PM > To: land-speed submit > Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? > > Can folks give recommendations on different brands of garage/shop lifts. A > couple of years ago I talked to two reps at a car show each representing a > different brand. I can't remember the names but I was interested in the > latching (locking) mechanism , the design safety factor, and the way they > were certified or tested. It was discouraging. Neither rep new anything > about safety factor, or what I was talking about. One brand was not > certified by any organization and the other was certified by an > independent > organization the company started! Talk about conflict of interest! That > brand was proud of their testing and had examples of overload failures and > some luke-warm information on the latch design. The other brand provided > anecdotal data on the latch safety but no engineering analysis. Anyway, > that > was a few years ago and I was hoping things had changed. > > > > If you have a lift could you indicate why you choose the style you have > and > the brand name. Also, now that you have experience with it are there thing > you wish you had considered before buying? Thanks in advance, -Elon > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From saltracer at awwwsome.com Mon Jun 9 09:12:26 2008 From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:12:26 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) Subject: [Land-speed] Too Quiet Out There References: <00d901c8c8d0$4a76edc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> <695108.87202.qm@web52508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <017a01c8c9a1$aa682a10$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <484D4857.00001B.03800@D3DP98F1> Hello fellow Addicts. I am in an unusual situation, for me. The car is basically ready for Speedweek, I am doing some upgrades, like a new rear belly pan and other minor stuff. Also planning to make a new shade for the pits. Something that attaches to the trailer, hopefully, resulting in less cargo weight. >From the trip to the lakes, I found that I am going to have to gear for the mid to upper 8000 rpm range to make it run. I don't like to turn it that hard, but looking back I find that in 2003, on gasoline, we were running 8400 rpm in the last mile. I has been unseasonably cool here for the last two or three weeks, but the temp is moving back toward triple digits this week. Life is good, but business isn't and will likely remain that way until we sort out who is going to occupy the White House! That's the story from Northern California! Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of imstp_pets_cat1_en.gif] From dlodom at charter.net Tue Jun 10 12:08:25 2008 From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:08:25 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? References: <000501c8cabf$d4c2f550$6501a8c0@dim8100> <026f01c8cb1d$71812bc0$0200a8c0@DBTech> <007d01c8cb22$02e75220$6501a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: <001e01c8cb24$fab24f30$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA> Depends on what kind of car you are working on and what you are going to be doing. In my shop I have a 4 post but I would love to have a rotarylift 2 post. Doug Odom in big ditch ----- Original Message ----- >> >> Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? >> >> Can folks give recommendations on different brands of garage/shop lifts. >> A >> couple of years ago I talked to two reps at a car show each representing >> a >> different brand. I can't remember the names but I was interested in the >> latching (locking) mechanism , the design safety factor, and the way they >> were certified or tested. It was discouraging. Neither rep new anything >> about safety factor, or what I was talking about. One brand was not >> certified by any organization and the other was certified by an >> independent >> organization the company started! Talk about conflict of interest! That >> brand was proud of their testing and had examples of overload failures >> and >> some luke-warm information on the latch design. The other brand provided >> anecdotal data on the latch safety but no engineering analysis. Anyway, >> that >> was a few years ago and I was hoping things had changed. >> >> >> >> If you have a lift could you indicate why you choose the style you have >> and >> the brand name. Also, now that you have experience with it are there >> thing >> you wish you had considered before buying? Thanks in advance, -Elon >> _______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Land-speed mailing list >> >> You are subscribed as speedtimer at beyondbb.com >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ed at vetteracing.com Tue Jun 10 12:15:30 2008 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:15:30 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? Message-ID: I highly recommend the 2-post lift because it is easierto work on the underside of the car....... but that's just my opinion.One thing I feel strongly about is the lift material..... You couldn'tgive me one of those Chinese lifts. I have heard too many horrorstories. An American lift seems to average about $400 more...... buthow much is your life worth? Ed -----Original Message----- From: Doug Odom [mailto:dlodom at charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 11:08 AM To: landspeed at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? Depends on what kind of car you are working on and what you are going to be doing. In my shop I have a 4 post but I would love to have a rotarylift 2 post.Doug Odom in big ditch----- Original Message ----- >>>> Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift?>>>> Can folks give recommendations on different brands of garage/shop lifts. >> A>> couple of years ago I talked to two reps at a car show each representing >> a>> different brand. I can't remember the names but I was interested in the>> latching (locking) mechanism , the design safety factor, and the way they>> were certified or tested. It was discouraging. Neither rep new anything>> about safety factor, or what I was talking about. One brand was not>> certified by any organization and the other was certified by an >> independent>> organization the company started! Talk about conflict of interest! That>> brand was proud of their testing and had examples of overload failures >> and>> some luke-warm information on the latch design. The other brand provided>> anecdotal data on the latch safety but no engineering analysis. Anyway, >> that>> was a few years ago and I was hoping things had changed.>>>>>>>> If you have a lift could you indicate why you choose the style you have >> and>> the brand name. Also, now that you have experience with it are there >> thing>> you wish you had considered before buying? Thanks in advance, -Elon>> From 23.weldon at comcast.net Tue Jun 10 12:28:25 2008 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:28:25 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? References: <000501c8cabf$d4c2f550$6501a8c0@dim8100> Message-ID: <000401c8cb27$c860f6a0$6401a8c0@S> Elon -- Very interesting question. I couldn't use one of these things because my shop ceiling is too low. But before I'd buy one I'd run some basic structural calculations and look for stresses over 10,000 psi (a very old rule of thumb for A-36 structural steel and the like) assuming the loads I'd put on it. Also I'd calculate the Euler column thresholds on the posts. For loads I'd figure actual weights and allow 1.25 safety factor for mild shock loading. I'd also calculate the effect of the weight on the worst loaded post and multiply that times 1.75 for the shock loading attendent to failure of a single safety latch on top of the other loads. And then there's the issue of earthquake loadings. The Loma Prieta earthquake caught my Dodge Dart station wagon up on jackstands and shoved it 4 feet to the side. (it survived unscathed) I wouldn't dream of manufacturing and selling these things without a licensed structural engineer's seal on the plans including his maximum load ratings (unless maybe I was living out of the back of my pickup truck). And good liability coverage too..... Oh yeah, I've seen a good bit of imported square steel tube with defective seam welds. Something to examine for before buying. My 2 cents worth. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elon" To: "land-speed submit" Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? > Can folks give recommendations on different brands of garage/shop lifts. A > couple of years ago I talked to two reps at a car show each representing a > different brand. I can't remember the names but I was interested in the > latching (locking) mechanism , the design safety factor, and the way they > were certified or tested. It was discouraging. Neither rep new anything > about safety factor, or what I was talking about. One brand was not > certified by any organization and the other was certified by an independent > organization the company started! Talk about conflict of interest! That > brand was proud of their testing and had examples of overload failures and > some luke-warm information on the latch design. The other brand provided > anecdotal data on the latch safety but no engineering analysis. Anyway, that > was a few years ago and I was hoping things had changed. > > > > If you have a lift could you indicate why you choose the style you have and > the brand name. Also, now that you have experience with it are there thing > you wish you had considered before buying? Thanks in advance, -Elon > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as 23.weldon at comcast.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 10 15:23:29 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? Message-ID: <195340.72648.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> About 4 years ago, I purchased a Rotary brand 2-post asymmetrical lift (10,000 pound rated). I don't need 10,000 pounds (work on early Porsches and Sunbeam Tigers mostly). But I decided if I was going to stand under it, that the extra rating was a plus. I have never regretted my purchase. Yes, it did cost more than many other options, but as another responder said: "how much is your life worth?" Also, the 2-post is great for me: I love being able to get at the wheels and all suspension related items. A friend of mine has a 4-post and he wishes he'd gone the two post route. The Rotary lift has worked flawlessly. I smile every time I look at it (always wanted one... and at 60 years old, am very glad to finally have it, as it makes the work a lot easier and safer). Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI ----- Original Message ---- From: Elon To: land-speed submit Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:04:22 AM Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? Can folks give recommendations on different brands of garage/shop lifts. A couple of years ago I talked to two reps at a car show each representing a different brand. I can't remember the names but I was interested in the latching (locking) mechanism , the design safety factor, and the way they were certified or tested. It was discouraging. Neither rep new anything about safety factor, or what I was talking about. One brand was not certified by any organization and the other was certified by an independent organization the company started! Talk about conflict of interest! That brand was proud of their testing and had examples of overload failures and some luke-warm information on the latch design. The other brand provided anecdotal data on the latch safety but no engineering analysis. Anyway, that was a few years ago and I was hoping things had changed. If you have a lift could you indicate why you choose the style you have and the brand name. Also, now that you have experience with it are there thing you wish you had considered before buying? Thanks in advance, -Elon Land-speed mailing list You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From dmirror3 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 16:12:07 2008 From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? In-Reply-To: <195340.72648.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <107643.50578.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Personally, I'm not in the market for a lift. Wish that I was. Those in the know, please add some safety requirements for those who are new to lifts. Safety stands, weight distribution when a a major component removed etc. Years ago, when working in a Chevy garage, I remember a car or two falling off a rack because it was not supported properly. Take care, Dale in Cleveland Bill Waite wrote: About 4 years ago, I purchased a Rotary brand 2-post asymmetrical lift (10,000 pound rated). I don't need 10,000 pounds (work on early Porsches and Sunbeam Tigers mostly). But I decided if I was going to stand under it, that the extra rating was a plus. I have never regretted my purchase. Yes, it did cost more than many other options, but as another responder said: "how much is your life worth?" Also, the 2-post is great for me: I love being able to get at the wheels and all suspension related items. A friend of mine has a 4-post and he wishes he'd gone the two post route. The Rotary lift has worked flawlessly. I smile every time I look at it (always wanted one... and at 60 years old, am very glad to finally have it, as it makes the work a lot easier and safer). Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI ----- Original Message ---- From: Elon To: land-speed submit Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:04:22 AM Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? Can folks give recommendations on different brands of garage/shop lifts. A couple of years ago I talked to two reps at a car show each representing a different brand. I can't remember the names but I was interested in the latching (locking) mechanism , the design safety factor, and the way they were certified or tested. It was discouraging. Neither rep new anything about safety factor, or what I was talking about. One brand was not certified by any organization and the other was certified by an independent organization the company started! Talk about conflict of interest! That brand was proud of their testing and had examples of overload failures and some luke-warm information on the latch design. The other brand provided anecdotal data on the latch safety but no engineering analysis. Anyway, that was a few years ago and I was hoping things had changed. If you have a lift could you indicate why you choose the style you have and the brand name. Also, now that you have experience with it are there thing you wish you had considered before buying? Thanks in advance, -Elon Land-speed mailing list You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed Land-speed mailing list You are subscribed as dmirror3 at yahoo.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. ~ Plato From smsandimas at earthlink.net Tue Jun 10 17:46:44 2008 From: smsandimas at earthlink.net (Steve Meierdiercks) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:46:44 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? Message-ID: <380-220086210234644219@earthlink.net> I have a Eagle 4 post 12,000 lbs.I have not had a problem with it,having owned it for 7 years.I store my 69 Camaro on top most of the time,but also have had my 61 Impala and my 02 Ford F250 on it .No problem lifting my truck and very stable at any height.It has a locking stop on the ram and locks on the four posts that grip a 1 inch steel rod for safety.I have a sliding jack tray for any time I need to take the wheels off of any of my vehicles.Seems to work great for me. Steve > [Original Message] > From: Elon > To: land-speed submit > Date: 6/10/2008 1:02:04 AM > Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? > > > If you have a lift could you indicate why you choose the style you have and > the brand name. Also, now that you have experience with it are there thing > you wish you had considered before buying? Thanks in advance, -Elon > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as smsandimas at earthlink.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From yesford at clear.net.nz Tue Jun 10 18:16:31 2008 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:16:31 +1200 Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? References: <380-220086210234644219@earthlink.net> Message-ID: List, I have a 2 post Molnar. Wife wanted pool at new house so trade-off was hoist & bar in toy room (think she got better deal cost wise). Great unit and the hoist is also real good, takes up least amount of floor space and virtually unhindered access to underside of vehicle. Nice to raise car to work height to save bending on any job, extra car easily stored underneath car on hoist. One leg of hoist sometimes used as crane for unloading objects, within reason here though. Don't see any extra advantage with four poster which takes more room and ramps hinder access and wheel removal. My 2 cents people, Chris H...........NZed. From saltfever at comcast.net Wed Jun 11 01:54:00 2008 From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:54:00 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] 2 or 4 post lift? Message-ID: <000101c8cb98$4fc95040$6501a8c0@dim8100> To everybody that responded to my post. . . MANY THANX! A lot of good information . . . I even learned two new words (asymmetric or symmetric)! With the shared information and experience, I have a much better insight into what I am looking for. All the best, -Elon From jgmagoo at comcast.net Wed Jun 11 13:08:09 2008 From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:08:09 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Auto hoists Message-ID: <061120081908.29520.4850229900015CD60000735022135285730101090E030906@comcast.net> I owned an 8-bay auto repair shop for 15-years. It was originally a Goodyear tire store built in 1965 and had eight in-ground hydraulic lifts. We used those for a while and they were OK but eventually began to leak and rust underground. We took them all out fearing (mostly) environmental contamination and replaced them with above-ground post-type lifts. We ended up with six 2-post lifts, and one 4-post. Four of the two-post lifst are a-symentric, two are symetric. We worked on all types of cars and light to medium trucks. The mechanics all DEFINITELY preferred the 2-post, a-symetric over any of them, and most of them complained about having to use the 4-post. The brands we had were Rotary and Bend-Pack. No problems with either of them. Not too much diference in cost as I remember. We bought a couple of them used, and who knows what kind of use/abuse they had had before, but we had basically no problems with them. In the end, far more satisfactory than the in-ground hoists that the building came with. JGMagoo From lsr_man at yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 15:50:00 2008 From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Birthday Message-ID: <692333.43191.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Happy Birthday to Mrs. Sparky, and you had better stop your cutting and welding and take her out to dinner tonight !!   DickJ In East Texas From rbuck at xmission.com Wed Jun 11 17:27:34 2008 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:27:34 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Rat Fink Reunion pics Message-ID: The RFR pics are up on the server, if yer of a mind to check 'em out: http://www.chevyasylum.com/cruisin08/Welcome.html I was only there for the car show day. Next year, I'm gonna have to make motel reservations earlier. Ray the Rat From saltfevr at q.com Wed Jun 11 20:35:52 2008 From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:35:52 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Birthday In-Reply-To: <692333.43191.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <692333.43191.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Sparky; Linda truly deserves a nice evening out with Mr. Ratical! Have fun at "The Biltmore"Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:50:00 -0700> From: lsr_man at yahoo.com> To: sparky.2211 at cox.net; land-speed at autox.team.net> Subject: [Land-speed] Birthday> > Happy Birthday to Mrs. Sparky, and you had better stop your cutting and welding and take her out to dinner tonight !!>  > DickJ> In East Texas> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Land-speed mailing list> > You are subscribed as saltfevr at q.com> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From zoombot at cox.net Thu Jun 12 18:47:33 2008 From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:47:33 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Got a weird question..... Message-ID: <018301c8ccef$10ef56f0$13f96744@HomePC> List - I thought I'd ask an unusual question of the esteemed members of this list - who knows anything about salvaging jet engines for scrap? Or perhaps they are worth more in an assembled state? These are jet engines and gas turbines from the late 40's and the 50's. Types run from Allisons, to General Electrics, Allied Signal, and Pratt & Whitney. They might actually run, but the seller won't certify them. A local aircraft mechanics school is selling their stuff and switching to another industry. There are also some Seahawk parts, and a transmission. - Chris Pile aka aircap No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (4.0.0.26 - 10.077.006). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ From sardatech at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 07:24:13 2008 From: sardatech at yahoo.com (tom sarda) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 06:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Magnesium Message-ID: <258687.37121.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey, List, Does magnesium transfer heat differently than aluminum? The question arises as a result of work I have done on six of the cars I have worked on that run at the local short track. I have rebuilt the Quick change rear ends. Five of the rears are aluminum and one is magnesium. I have measured the temps on each after racing as soon as the return to the pit area...as soon as i can get to them. The temps are measured at the bell(on the side) and at the rear cover where the spur gears are housed. I expect to see the temps to be higher at the cover than the bells. The aluminum rear ends run anywhere from 206 to 225 at the bell and 225 to 244 at the cover. The magnesium runs 270 at the bell and 290 at the cover. (Track temp last night was 118). Is the mag rear end holding more heat than the aluminum? the lubricants vary from team to team with Mobil 75/90 the most popular, Royal purple and Gibbs 75/110 ars also used. The mag rear uses Gibbs lube. Went to it after last weeks temps were 10 degrees higher at the cover. Any one have an idea about aluminum versus magnesium? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. Tom From 23.weldon at comcast.net Sat Jun 14 09:11:18 2008 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:11:18 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Magnesium References: <258687.37121.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c8ce30$e8c9a3e0$6501a8c0@S> Tom -- Yup. It's holding more heat. The common aluminum casting alloy 356 has anywhere from 2-1/2 to 3 times better thermal conductivity (meaning 2-1/2 to 3 times more heat conducted out of the housing in a given time) than the magnesium casting alloy AZ63A (6% Aluminum, 3% zinc; I'm guessing it's the alloy in the QC housing). This could explain most of difference in observed temperatures. If you're measuring 290F at the cover that means the pinion bearings are running even hotter. Suggests careful selection of the lube to insure that it's a good synthetic that can handle the high temps. Cast magnesium does have a tendency to lose yield strength to a greater degree than cast aluminum as it approaches 400F. This would most likely be observed as a loss in the quality of the bearing press fits at the pinion. My references today are the 1991 edition of the Materials Engineering Annual Materials Selector (Penton Publishing) and Designing with Magnesium published 1947 by the American Magnesium Corporation (an Alcoa Subsidiary) I have other metallurgical reference books in my library. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom sarda" To: Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:24 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Magnesium > Hey, List, > Does magnesium transfer heat differently than aluminum? The question arises as a result of work I have done on six of the cars I have worked on that run at the local short track. I have rebuilt the Quick change rear ends. Five of the rears are aluminum and one is magnesium. I have measured the temps on each after racing as soon as the return to the pit area...as soon as i can get to them. The temps are measured at the bell(on the side) and at the rear cover where the spur gears are housed. I expect to see the temps to be higher at the cover than the bells. The aluminum rear ends run anywhere from 206 to 225 at the bell and 225 to 244 at the cover. The magnesium runs 270 at the bell and 290 at the cover. (Track temp last night was 118). Is the mag rear end holding more heat than the aluminum? > the lubricants vary from team to team with Mobil 75/90 the most popular, Royal purple and Gibbs 75/110 ars also used. The mag rear uses Gibbs lube. Went to it after last weeks temps were 10 degrees higher at the cover. > Any one have an idea about aluminum versus magnesium? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. > Tom From dlodom at charter.net Sun Jun 15 13:11:48 2008 From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:11:48 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Magnesium References: <258687.37121.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501c8cf1b$a929ba90$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA> Tom, What brand are they? Are they Almag or Aluminum? I do know that I set up the Mag much tighter than the Aluminum ones. The Mag ones grow about 3 times as much and need more preload. Doug Odom in big ditch > Hey, List, > Does magnesium transfer heat differently than aluminum? The question > arises as a result of work I have done on six of the cars I have worked on > that run at the local short track. I have rebuilt the Quick change rear > ends. Five of the rears are aluminum and one is magnesium. I have measured > the temps on each after racing as soon as the return to the pit area...as > soon as i can get to them. The temps are measured at the bell(on the side) > and at the rear cover where the spur gears are housed. I expect to see the > temps to be higher at the cover than the bells. The aluminum rear ends > run anywhere from 206 to 225 at the bell and 225 to 244 at the cover. The > magnesium runs 270 at the bell and 290 at the cover. (Track temp last > night was 118). Is the mag rear end holding more heat than the aluminum? > the lubricants vary from team to team with Mobil 75/90 the most popular, > Royal purple and Gibbs 75/110 ars also used. The mag rear uses Gibbs lube. > Went to it after last weeks temps were 10 degrees higher at the cover. > Any one have an idea about aluminum versus magnesium? Thanks in advance > for your thoughts. > Tom > _______________________________________________ From 23.weldon at comcast.net Sun Jun 15 19:39:59 2008 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:39:59 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Magnesium Message-ID: <003b01c8cf51$e55ff1b0$6401a8c0@S> Fwd to list with edits ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net> To: "Doug Odom" ; ; Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Magnesium > Doug -- You say the Mag QC's grow 3 times as much as the aluminum ones. > Right out of the handbooks the average thermal expansion coefficient of > AZ63A is 15, Aluminum 356 is 12. That's only 25%. Tom's average > temperature rise (from say 72F) on the magnesium is about 35% more than the > aluminum. Your 3 times "rule of thumb", which I'm sure comes from a load of > experience suggests that something else is going on. My first guess would > be that too much heat is going into the magnesium housings either in the > initial oven heating or in the actual track conditions or both. So the > magnesium is doing its yield thing. The real tip off would be to mike the > pinion bearing bores and record the readings before each assembly. If they > grow you'll know press fits might too much. But then that might be > unavoidable. > Some extra cooling may be in order but for sure the hardware has to be able > to live under the track conditions. Time you add that extra hardware you'd > have more weight than the difference between the aluminum and the mag > housings. And departing from conventional wisdom on setting up the preload > and bearing press fit is a potentially expensive test program. Sounds to me > like the easiest answer is to off the mag quick change housing and replace > it with aluminum. If the extra weight is a problem put the driver on a > diet. Could probably do well with a 10 pound weight loss. > Yeah, Tom.......I'm not a stakeholder here; just a source of background > noise.... > Ed > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Odom" > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Magnesium > > > > Tom, What brand are they? Are they Almag or Aluminum? I do know that I set > > up the Mag much tighter than the Aluminum ones. The Mag ones grow about 3 > > times as much and need more preload. Doug Odom in big ditch From ddahlgren at snet.net Mon Jun 16 05:41:45 2008 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:41:45 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Magnesium In-Reply-To: <003b01c8cf51$e55ff1b0$6401a8c0@S> References: <003b01c8cf51$e55ff1b0$6401a8c0@S> Message-ID: <99BD691A05474462B689C31DAD096329@DaveSatellite> The difference between sprung and unsprung weight is wildly different.. Unsprung weight is a very big deal compared to sprung weight. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net> To: Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Magnesium > Fwd to list with edits > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net> > To: "Doug Odom" ; ; > > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Magnesium >> Some extra cooling may be in order but for sure the hardware has to be > able >> to live under the track conditions. Time you add that extra hardware > you'd >> have more weight than the difference between the aluminum and the mag >> housings. And departing from conventional wisdom on setting up the > preload >> and bearing press fit is a potentially expensive test program. Sounds to > me >> like the easiest answer is to off the mag quick change housing and >> replace >> it with aluminum. If the extra weight is a problem put the driver on a >> diet. Could probably do well with a 10 pound weight loss. >> Yeah, Tom.......I'm not a stakeholder here; just a source of background >> noise.... >> Ed From wester6935 at comcast.net Tue Jun 17 10:49:04 2008 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:49:04 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] virus warning "POSTCARD FROM HALLMARK" Message-ID: <3AE2A6DB-FA17-4F15-8377-0CA8F3A52501@comcast.net> Apparently this is a nasty one. Just delete without opening to be safe. Wes You can look it up on Snopes as well it is real. So be careful. You should be alert during the next few days. Do not open any message with an attachment entitled 'POSTCARD FROM HALLMARK,' regardless of who sent it to you. It is a virus which opens A POSTCARD IMAGE, which 'burns' the whole hard disc C of your computer. This virus will be received from someone who has your e-mail address in his/her contact list. This is the reason why you need to send this e-mail to all your contacts It is better to receive this message 25 times than to receive the virus and open it. If you receive a mail called' POSTCARD,' even though sent to you by a friend, do not open it! Shut down your computer immediately. This is the worst virus announced by CNN. It has been classified by Microsoft as the most destructive virus ever. This virus was discovered by McAfee yesterday, and there is no repair yet for this kind of virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disc, where the vital information is kept. From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 17 11:00:53 2008 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:00:53 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] virus warning "POSTCARD FROM HALLMARK" In-Reply-To: <3AE2A6DB-FA17-4F15-8377-0CA8F3A52501@comcast.net> References: <3AE2A6DB-FA17-4F15-8377-0CA8F3A52501@comcast.net> Message-ID: THANKS WES ! c heers to ya , ' Dirt Track Doug ' Wise words from the ancients -especially in light of America's ' troubles' : VULGAS VULT DECEPI - Phaedrus ( the (common) people wish to be deceived ) > From: wester6935 at comcast.net > To: land-speed at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:49:04 -0600 > Subject: [Land-speed] virus warning "POSTCARD FROM HALLMARK" > > Apparently this is a nasty one. Just delete without opening to be safe. > > Wes > > You can look it up on Snopes as well it is real. So be careful. > > You should be alert during the next few days. Do not open any message > with an attachment entitled 'POSTCARD FROM HALLMARK,' regardless of > who sent it to you. It is a virus which opens A POSTCARD IMAGE, which > 'burns' the whole hard disc C of your computer. This virus will be > received from someone who has your e-mail address in his/her contact > list. This is the reason why you need to send this e-mail to all your > contacts It is better to receive this message 25 times than to receive > the virus and open it. > > If you receive a mail called' POSTCARD,' even though sent to you by a > friend, do not open it! Shut down your computer immediately. > > This is the worst virus announced by CNN. It has been classified by > Microsoft as the most destructive virus ever. This virus was > discovered by McAfee yesterday, and there is no repair yet for this > kind of virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard > Disc, where the vital information is kept. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_062008 From BWANA343 at aol.com Sun Jun 22 07:49:19 2008 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:49:19 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Scott Kalitta Message-ID: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DziJdGwFQjU) Scott Kalitta crash... He got the chute out, but looks like it didn't work, could not tell if there was any token deceleration from brakes, and obviously the motor was gone, so no BHP either. Turning was not an option at speed, and the shutoff area was insufficient considering all the aforementioned. Sorry if I sound like Monday morning guy, but I don't see a way to avoid this outcome at these speeds at a typical drag venue. All the serious high speed cars are totally dependent on the chutes, and even in LSR, where we have room to stop, my take is it's the chutes are the most often cause of problems. Be interesting to see the engineering advances to alleviate this, at least in NHRA's legal dept. Bob, all in my very humble newbie opinion, W **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Sun Jun 22 11:25:17 2008 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:25:17 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Noonan Message-ID: <000801c8d48c$f0d7e5d0$6501a8c0@Glens> Hear he ran 214 with the side car and 240 with the un-faired Busa. Not bad for the dirt. Great stuff we all do. From desotoman at dslextreme.com Sun Jun 22 12:16:24 2008 From: desotoman at dslextreme.com (Tom Gerardi) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Scott Kalitta's crash Message-ID: <6600a11280a5b80a7200a.20080622111624.qrfbgbzna@webmail.dslextreme.com> Here is a link to what happened. Tom Gerardi http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nhra/2008-06-21-kalitta-death_N.htm?csp=34 From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Jun 26 16:23:07 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:23:07 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Small Block Ford Spark information... Message-ID: <486416CB.8080500@mayfco.com> Well, here it is. My annual request of the list members to see if at least one amongst you has a computer controlled, boosted small block ford. Talking about the 5 liter sized small block with EFI and a turbo although I would also welcome info regards a supercharged version as well. Boost around 12 - 15 psig. Could be using a speed density system or mass air flow system. Just interested in what the spark table you have looks like. Any info out there? mayf From lsr_man at yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 21:07:25 2008 From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question Message-ID: <868484.38532.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anybody ever heard of a liquid-cooled alternator? My son just had his alternator replaced and was told it failed because of a broken cooling hose to the alternator. $1400 bucks worth of replacement! Dick J In East Texas From rbuck at xmission.com Fri Jun 27 21:48:38 2008 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:48:38 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question Message-ID: Jeeze, Dick, did they change the blinker fluid, too? Ray the (probably very ignorant about modern alternators) Rat On 6/27/2008 9:07:25 PM, Dick J (lsr_man at yahoo.com) wrote: > Anybody ever heard of a liquid-cooled alternator? My son just had his > alternator replaced and was told it failed because of a broken cooling > hose to > the alternator. $1400 bucks worth of replacement! > > Dick J > In East Texas From saltracer at awwwsome.com Fri Jun 27 22:14:27 2008 From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:14:27 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question References: <868484.38532.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4865BAA3.000001.02324@HOME> What kind of car? To my knowledge there is no such animal as a liquid cooled alternator. Did you misunderstand? Tom -------Original Message------- From: Dick J Date: 6/27/2008 8:08:48 PM To: lsr list autox Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question Anybody ever heard of a liquid-cooled alternator? My son just had his alternator replaced and was told it failed because of a broken cooling hose to the alternator. $1400 bucks worth of replacement! Dick J In East Texas [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP9.gif] From gmc6power at earthlink.net Fri Jun 27 23:05:21 2008 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:05:21 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question References: <868484.38532.qm@web30705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4865BAA3.000001.02324@HOME> Message-ID: <000c01c8d8dc$9166d760$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> Broken cooling hose could sprayed coolant into the alterntor making it inoperative.........Just a thought > >> > Anybody ever heard of a liquid-cooled alternator? My son just had his > alternator replaced and was told it failed because of a broken cooling > hose > to > the alternator. $1400 bucks worth of replacement! From ifixmgs at cox.net Sat Jun 28 05:43:31 2008 From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 7:43:31 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question In-Reply-To: <000c01c8d8dc$9166d760$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> Message-ID: <20080628074331.SMVCD.260962.imail@eastrmwml24.mgt.cox.net> Newer Beemer 8s and 12s ( which are also used in a lot of one-off exotic apps) use a continuous 150 amp unit and can be fitted with an optional 300 amper - both without cooling fans. Supposedly stay silent even when everything is turned on at one time. It's designed like a waterpump - the stator is mounted in a hole in the engine block and the rotor is removable. Being surrounded by the engine supposedly reduces stereo and ignition brain box interference. A lot of the newer alternators (watercooled and even "traditional" fan and belt units) are apparently no longer using carbon brushes - so as long as the coolant hose on the LC version doesn't break, it should last forever..... Seville and Deville are also using watercooled alts. Heres an interesting tech article on the subject http://www.iskra-ae.com/slo/docs/alternators_liquid_cooled.pdf I'm the resident gearhead at a company that underwrites coverage for high end and exotics, and have to stay up to speed on all the latest stuff, so thanks for the heads-up. ---- "J.D. Tone" wrote: > Broken cooling hose could sprayed coolant into the alterntor making it > inoperative.........Just a thought > > > > >> > > Anybody ever heard of a liquid-cooled alternator? My son just had his > > alternator replaced and was told it failed because of a broken cooling > > hose > > to > > the alternator. $1400 bucks worth of replacement! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as ifixmgs at cox.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From lsr_man at yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 07:57:08 2008 From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question In-Reply-To: <4865BAA3.000001.02324@HOME> Message-ID: <289193.11261.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's on a 2000 Caddy STS Northstar V8. I did a Google and found several refernces to it and it apparently is liquid cooled. $700 for the part and $700 labor. Apparently, the motor has to be unbolted and partially moved to get to the alternator from under the car. Myself, I like old flatheads with the generator right up there where you can get to it! DickJ : #yiv1328827819 v\:* { } #yiv1328827819 v\:* { } -------Original Message------- From: Dick J Date: 6/27/2008 8:08:48 PM To: lsr list autox Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question Anybody ever heard of a liquid-cooled alternator? My son just had his alternator replaced and was told it failed because of a broken cooling hose to the alternator. $1400 bucks worth of replacement! Dick J In East Texas From saltracer at awwwsome.com Sat Jun 28 11:46:38 2008 From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:46:38 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question References: <289193.11261.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <486678FE.000006.02664@HOME> Thanks guys, I learned something so the day wasn't wasted. Obviously, I am not staying current with this technology! I don't get under the hood of anything but the race car anymore. Tom -------Original Message------- From: Dick J Date: 6/28/2008 7:05:13 AM To: lsr list autox; Tom Bryant Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Alternator Question It's on a 2000 Caddy STS Northstar V8. I did a Google and found several refernces to it and it apparently is liquid cooled. $700 for the part and $700 labor. Apparently, the motor has to be unbolted and partially moved to get to the alternator from under the car. Myself, I like old flatheads with the generator right up there where you can get to it! DickJ : -------Original Message------- From: Dick J Date: 6/27/2008 8:08:48 PM To: lsr list autox Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question Anybody ever heard of a liquid-cooled alternator? My son just had his alternator replaced and was told it failed because of a broken cooling hose to the alternator. $1400 bucks worth of replacement! Dick J In East Texas No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1522 - Release Date: 6/27/2008 8:27 AM [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP9.gif] From lsr_man at yahoo.com Sat Jun 28 11:53:03 2008 From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question In-Reply-To: <486678FE.000006.02664@HOME> Message-ID: <394753.72454.qm@web30706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Tom Bryant wrote:... ... ...........I don't get under the hood of anything but the race car anymore. And that's the way it ought to be, Tom. Dick J In East Texas From gmc6power at earthlink.net Sat Jun 28 12:11:26 2008 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:11:26 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question References: <20080628074331.SMVCD.260962.imail@eastrmwml24.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <001201c8d94a$61d22b30$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> Like Tom I learned something today..............Fascinating > > Heres an interesting tech article on the subject > http://www.iskra-ae.com/slo/docs/alternators_liquid_cooled.pdf > > I'm the resident gearhead at a company that underwrites coverage for > high end and exotics, and have to stay up to speed on all the latest > stuff, so thanks for the heads-up. From ed at vetteracing.com Sat Jun 28 13:00:21 2008 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:00:21 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question Message-ID: Dang...... Cars used to be so simple. Alternator goesout, run down to the parts store, $19.95 exchange, and you are back onthe road in 15 minutes. Sometimes progress sucks.... Ed -----Original Message----- From: J.D. Tone [mailto:gmc6power at earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:11 AM To: ifixmgs at cox.net, lsr_man at yahoo.com, 'Tom Bryant', 'lsr list autox' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Alternator Question Like Tom I learned something today..............Fascinating>> Heres an interesting tech article on the subject > http://www.iskra-ae.com/slo/docs/alternators_liquid_cooled.pdf>> I'm the resident gearhead at a company that underwrites coverage for > high end and exotics, and have to stay up to speed on all the latest > stuff, so thanks for the heads-up. From saltfever at comcast.net Sun Jun 29 23:51:09 2008 From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:51:09 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question Message-ID: <001a01c8da75$4c6a41c0$6501a8c0@dim8100> Seems like a speed secret to me (maybe not anymore). Anyone dyno an alternator fan? I wonder how much HP it takes? Liquid cooling is far more efficient than air cooling. For LSR it won't need a water pump since you could adapt it to run off of your existing cooling set-up. -Elon From saltrat at pahrump.com Mon Jun 30 08:04:03 2008 From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:04:03 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Alternator Question In-Reply-To: <001a01c8da75$4c6a41c0$6501a8c0@dim8100> References: <001a01c8da75$4c6a41c0$6501a8c0@dim8100> Message-ID: <20080630140342.E9E49187654@autox.team.net> Suppose it even needs cooling on a 90 second run? Skip At 10:51 PM 6/29/2008, Elon wrote: >Seems like a speed secret to me (maybe not anymore). Anyone dyno an >alternator fan? I wonder how much HP it takes? Liquid cooling is far more >efficient than air cooling. For LSR it won't need a water pump since you >could adapt it to run off of your existing cooling set-up. -Elon >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Land-speed mailing list > >You are subscribed as saltrat at pahrump.com > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed