From NT788 at comcast.net  Fri Aug  1 01:50:06 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:50:06 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] fuel and such
Message-ID: <080120080750.23437.4892C02E000019E600005B8D2216525806C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

Oranges from ex american farmers who were taxed out of the US.  Jack
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
> Yesterday I went to the store and bought some oranges. We grow plenty of
> oranges in California. These looked good and taste good. I just looked at the
> little label on them and they came from Australia. That's a pretty long haul
> for an Orange. I guess they came in a refrigerated container. Still must have
> burned a fair amount of fuel to get here and still sell cheap. RF
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From DAW1 at comcast.net  Fri Aug  1 05:06:46 2008
From: DAW1 at comcast.net (DAW1)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:06:46 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..
In-Reply-To: <4892791B.4080803@mayfco.com>
References: <4892791B.4080803@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <78FBA4F5C606451C987BE3568D962F28@SallyPC>

Mayf, that would be your public sewer system. I think the right thing to do 
would be put it in the containers your new stuff came in and take it to a 
recycle center. It would make more sense then depending on the chemicals at 
the sewer plant to neutralise it. dw
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To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:46 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..


> Ok, so I am gonna change my ford over to a different anti-freeze
> manufacturer. Ford approved Zerex G05 for my powerstroke motor. So I
> get's myself 4 gallons of the orange stuff and am reading the back of
> the bottle. It says to dispose of anti-freeze in an approved state and
> local manner, don't pour it on the ground but a "sanitary sever system"
> is ok... Now just what the heck is a sanitary sewer system...sorta
> sounds like an oxymoron to me. I gather that a storm drain  is not such
> a beast, but is a septic system satisfactory? Will that stuff kill all
> the bacteria in my septic system?
>
> What do I do with 33 quarts of the stuff, lol...
>
>
> mayf
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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Fri Aug  1 05:19:29 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:19:29 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] high milage car
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Found some pics of the Manta with your name on them LOL The specs are 
interesting but think the car is a bit too big in width at least. At 68 
inches about 6 or 8 wider than what I had in mind. The wheelbase is in line 
with what I was thinking and the weight lighter than I thought possible at 
1300 lbs if I read it right. Obviously with a smaller engine I could use 
smaller wheels tires brakes etc to save weight as well. Though I might end 
up with a tube chassis rather than the monocogue as i do not consider myself 
qualified to design one that i would trust my life with. If it was not for 
the high CG I would use the entire engine and trans out of a front wheel 
drive car like the fiero did along with a few kit cars. The reason being my 
2002 Pontiac GP already can get 31 to 32 mpg at 65 mph with a 3000 lb 4 door 
sedan and automatic trans. In town is about 20 something and sure that is 
due to the weight and stop and go traffic. Just playing with ideas right 
now. I should probably do a search for the emmissions laws and registration 
laws to make sure i am not biting off more than I can chew here. I would 
hate to build it then never get a chance to drive it..LOL I am Thinking 
calling it a custom something is better than a from scratch deal as at least 
i have a VIN number and a year to base emissions on.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: "'Dave Dahlgren'" <ddahlgren at snet.net>; "'Ed Weldon'" 
<23.weldon at comcast.net>; "'LandSpeed List'" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Algae Biodiesel


> Dave;
>
> A Lola T-70 Mark III is a very good looking body shape as well as being
> slippery. An efficient engine in an 1800 lb car should give excellent fuel
> economy and still have a high performance level. It might ne easier to 
> find
> a Manta Montage than a Lola; it is a copy of a McLaren M6GT.
>
> Registering a kit car or custom car in Arizona is fairly straightforward; 
> it
> is categorized as "Special Construction" and an inspector comes out to 
> your
> garage and looks it over for required equipment and signs it off.
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

From RACE427 at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 05:43:22 2008
From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:43:22 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..
Message-ID: <c57.3ad801b7.35c450da@aol.com>

Hi Mayf,
 
     It is against all EPA to dispose of  used anti-freeze by dumping on the 
ground or into any septic or sewer  system.  If caught, you will be issued a 
heavy fine.   The heavy  metals in the used stuff is hazardous.   Take it down 
to your town's  recycle center and they will, have to accept it as hazardous 
waste.
 
    Used coolant is some pretty nasty stuff and  wreaks havoc with the 
environment.   Just do the right thing  !!!   LOL
 
    Good luck,    Tony  Greco   LI,NY



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From RACE427 at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 05:54:05 2008
From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:54:05 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] high milage car
Message-ID: <ce9.3a5f65e8.35c4535d@aol.com>

Somewhere about 20 yrs ago Holmann and Moody ( of NASCAR  fame) were on the 
local news with a Ford Escort which they installed a  Perkins Diesel and were 
claiming 75 mpg.    I would love to put  together a small pick up truck with 
this engine and a 5 speed gear  box.   Anything diesel has to be better than a 
gasoline  engine.
 
   Good luck !!!   Tony G    LI,NY



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From RACE427 at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 05:57:24 2008
From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:57:24 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] High mileage homebuilts
Message-ID: <ce2.3523ee25.35c45424@aol.com>

Hey Jon,
 
    Have you ever seen the internals of the  Mitsu diesel?   It is built like 
a small s---house !!!    Very beefy little oil burner and it will give you 
great mpg in the right small  vehicle.
 
     Tony G    LI,NY



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From RACE427 at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 06:01:30 2008
From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:01:30 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] fuel and such
Message-ID: <d1d.2dd86e06.35c4551a@aol.com>

Every major manufacturer which you see on the roads of the  good ole USA has 
a diesel version of their car or truck running around in  Europe.   I have 
seen diesels built by various manuf. when I was out  at Ohio Diesel-Tech College 
in Cleveland, Ohio.
 
    I would honestly believe it is our  politicians who are keeping them out 
of this country  !!



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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Fri Aug  1 08:44:57 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:44:57 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] fuel and such
In-Reply-To: <d1d.2dd86e06.35c4551a@aol.com>
References: <d1d.2dd86e06.35c4551a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48932169.5020801@wildblue.net>

Actually it's American citizens who have been keeping diesels out of the US.
Market research showed they wouldn't buy them.

And then their's GM and Ford trying to prove that Americans have 
forgotten how
to build cars. They're almost bankrupt because of management failures. I 
can't
blame it on anything else, their foreign branches are doing just fine. 
Of course
American management is stuck in the quarterly report rut. Too bad.

Bryan




RACE427 at aol.com wrote:
> Every major manufacturer which you see on the roads of the  good ole USA has 
> a diesel version of their car or truck running around in  Europe.   I have 
> seen diesels built by various manuf. when I was out  at Ohio Diesel-Tech College 
> in Cleveland, Ohio.
>  
>     I would honestly believe it is our  politicians who are keeping them out 
> of this country  !!

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Fri Aug  1 09:09:49 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:09:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] fuel and such
Message-ID: <6582209.1217603390009.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Bryan, Look at the POS diesels the American manufacturers gave us in the past. They are nothing like the ones today. Even with the minor problens the pickup are haveing is nothing like the GM junk that was sold to us. Our main problem is performance and how it's been pushed down everones throat. Hey we liked performance and diesels have been portrayed as slow. Well now is a new time and milage/cost is on the forefront. Hopefully the loddyist/one the take legislators (and they all are) will take notice an change some of what's been ailing us for years.........

>
>Actually it's American citizens who have been keeping diesels out of the US.
>Market research showed they wouldn't buy them.
>
>And then their's GM and Ford trying to prove that Americans have 
>forgotten how
>to build cars. They're almost bankrupt because of management failures. I 
>can't
>blame it on anything else, their foreign branches are doing just fine. 
>Of course
>American management is stuck in the quarterly report rut. Too bad.
>
>Bryan
>
>
>
>>>     I would honestly believe it is our  politicians who are keeping them out 
>> of this country  !!

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Fri Aug  1 09:47:42 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:47:42 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fuel conversion info and the the Pickens Plan
In-Reply-To: <000c01c8f391$5b74fc20$6501a8c0@dim8100>
References: <000c01c8f391$5b74fc20$6501a8c0@dim8100>
Message-ID: <4893301E.4050901@wildblue.net>

Actually Compressed Natural Gas is an excellent diesel fuel. It has no 
sulfur,
burns completely, is easy to inject (it's at 3,000 or 3,600 PSI in the 
tank). If you
install the fueling equipment in your garage, it's cost's about $1.00 
for the same
energy that's in a gallon of gas. Not bad. ... And the oil lasts 15,000 
to 20,000 Mi.

I don't know what is available for Spark Ignition engines. I talked to 
Ak Miller
years ago about his Ford F-150. He did a project for Ford and set it up 
to run
gas, Propane or CNG. The only problem was, with that engine and CNG it would
occasionally backfire breaking the plastic intake. Ford supplied an Al 
one. Later
the ignition was converted from a four coil waste spark system to an 
eight coil
system and the backfiring stopped. It could be switched from one to the 
other and
you would hardly notice it.

**************

According to Texas oil geologist and millionaire, T. Boone Pickens, who has
invested many millions in a 4,000 Megawatt wind farm, he puts his money 
where
his mouth is, in ten years we could build wind farms from Texas to 
Canada to
replace all NG used to generate electricity and during that time convert 
all heavy
diesel trucks to CNG. Also we could stop sending $300 Billion a year to the
Arab Gulf. Use most of that money to finance the system and hire Americans
to build and maintain it.

He also wants to open all offshore areas to prove that there isn't much 
affordable
oil there so we can quit talking about it. We should start developing 
ANWAR now.
It's a good thing we didn't start drilling in ANWAR 20 years ago. back 
then oil was
$15 a barrel, when they start pumping in 10 years it will be at least 
$150 a barrel,
10 times more valuable.
All of the above data was provided by Mr. Pickens, not politicians or 
the media.

Cheers,
Bryan




Elon wrote:
> In theory a gallon of oil contains more diesel than gasoline and refining is
> cheaper. However, since the demand (volume) for gas is greater, hydro
> cracking (or is that hydrogenation?) is performed in refining to yield a
> greater percentage of gas out of a gallon than normal. If your 1M users
> switched from gas to diesel the refinery's costs would be less. Although, I
> don't know the extra cost for refining new LOW sulfur content diesel. But
> you are right . . . it would take years to see a lower cost result :-)
> -Elon

From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri Aug  1 10:36:58 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:36:58 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] high milage car
In-Reply-To: <ce9.3a5f65e8.35c4535d@aol.com>
References: <ce9.3a5f65e8.35c4535d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <024601c8f3f4$d41513a0$0200a8c0@DBTech>

A good friend just returned from a trip to the Silverstone race circuit in
the UK. He rented a Ford Fiesta with a diesel and recorded the mileage very
carefully. He got 49mpg crawling around town, doing 75 on the motorway, but
still averaged 49 miles per US gallon. Unfortunately this model is not sold
in the US.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
RACE427 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:54 AM
To: ddahlgren at snet.net; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] high milage car

Somewhere about 20 yrs ago Holmann and Moody ( of NASCAR  fame) were on the 
local news with a Ford Escort which they installed a  Perkins Diesel and
were 
claiming 75 mpg.    I would love to put  together a small pick up truck with

this engine and a 5 speed gear  box.   Anything diesel has to be better than
a 
gasoline  engine.
 
   Good luck !!!   Tony G    LI,NY

From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri Aug  1 10:44:00 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:44:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] high milage car
In-Reply-To: <8E1108DA1AE5435EB4C21234DEDB13A8@DaveSatellite>
References: <000901c8f2b6$fe554570$466a2544@john><001f01c8f319$916c6070$6501a8c0@S>
	<D41C52D0AD28445BB374BCCFD02DCEB6@DaveSatellite>
	<01c501c8f328$14ff0d80$0200a8c0@DBTech>
	<8E1108DA1AE5435EB4C21234DEDB13A8@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <024701c8f3f5$cf663c20$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Dave;

Coincidentally, I just found this on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&ru=http%3
A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm
37%26satitle%3D260267705177%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1&item=260267705177

It's priced far too high but the photos will give you an idea of what could
be done.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Dahlgren [mailto:ddahlgren at snet.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:19 AM
To: neil at dbelltech.com; 'Ed Weldon'; 'LandSpeed List'
Subject: Re: high milage car

Found some pics of the Manta with your name on them LOL The specs are 
interesting but think the car is a bit too big in width at least. At 68 
inches about 6 or 8 wider than what I had in mind. The wheelbase is in line 
with what I was thinking and the weight lighter than I thought possible at 
1300 lbs if I read it right. Obviously with a smaller engine I could use 
smaller wheels tires brakes etc to save weight as well. Though I might end 
up with a tube chassis rather than the monocogue as i do not consider myself

qualified to design one that i would trust my life with. If it was not for 
the high CG I would use the entire engine and trans out of a front wheel 
drive car like the fiero did along with a few kit cars. The reason being my 
2002 Pontiac GP already can get 31 to 32 mpg at 65 mph with a 3000 lb 4 door

sedan and automatic trans. In town is about 20 something and sure that is 
due to the weight and stop and go traffic. Just playing with ideas right 
now. I should probably do a search for the emmissions laws and registration 
laws to make sure i am not biting off more than I can chew here. I would 
hate to build it then never get a chance to drive it..LOL I am Thinking 
calling it a custom something is better than a from scratch deal as at least

i have a VIN number and a year to base emissions on.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: "'Dave Dahlgren'" <ddahlgren at snet.net>; "'Ed Weldon'" 
<23.weldon at comcast.net>; "'LandSpeed List'" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Algae Biodiesel


> Dave;
>
> A Lola T-70 Mark III is a very good looking body shape as well as being
> slippery. An efficient engine in an 1800 lb car should give excellent fuel
> economy and still have a high performance level. It might ne easier to 
> find
> a Manta Montage than a Lola; it is a copy of a McLaren M6GT.
>
> Registering a kit car or custom car in Arizona is fairly straightforward; 
> it
> is categorized as "Special Construction" and an inspector comes out to 
> your
> garage and looks it over for required equipment and signs it off.
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Fri Aug  1 10:58:39 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:58:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] fuel and such
In-Reply-To: <6582209.1217603390009.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <6582209.1217603390009.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <489340BF.7080106@wildblue.net>

GM sold us not "POS" diesels, they were IMITATION  diesels.

The "on the take legislators" have really screwed us by not mandating ULSD
10 years ago. They say they were trying to make diesel truck owners happy.
We need to introduce a new principal into American politics,  Leadership!
 
GM England has a small two door sports coupe that has a 1.9L TDI engine.
at 70, on the A-4 with a passenger, AC on  it gets 51 MPG. Top speed is 
governed
at 135 MPH because of the tires. This kind of diesel performance has 
been available
in Europe for the last 10+ years. Why haven't we seen them? They can 
ONLY run
on ULSD which we didn't get until January 2007, I think. Sulfur destroys 
the sensors
in the exhaust. Modern diesel performance will blow most people away. 
It's amazing,
I used to hate diesels because they started hard, were very noisy, 
vibrated at normal
speeds and produced a lot of torque but no horsepower. They couldn't 
produce HP
because the couldn't rev fast enough. Check the power curves on a modern 
diesel.
You'll be surprised.

Bryan


A lot of the tech. for these modern diesels was developed here in the 
'80's and '90's.
Check SAE papers, you'll be amazed.

NOTE: If you have a new diesel that says Use Only ULSD and you fill up 
in Mexico,
it stops ruining and you have to pay all repair costs even if it has 
only 100 miles on the clock.
Very, very expensive.

James Tone wrote:
> Bryan, Look at the POS diesels the American manufacturers gave us in the past. They are nothing like the ones today. Even with the minor problens the pickup are haveing is nothing like the GM junk that was sold to us. Our main problem is performance and how it's been pushed down everones throat. Hey we liked performance and diesels have been portrayed as slow. Well now is a new time and milage/cost is on the forefront. Hopefully the loddyist/one the take legislators (and they all are) will take notice an change some of what's been ailing us for years........

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Fri Aug  1 11:10:44 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:10:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fuels technology breakthrough
In-Reply-To: <01f201c8f370$96119300$0200a8c0@DBTech>
References: <70A27592-B726-4F21-8DB7-77740156A838@comcast.net>
	<01f201c8f370$96119300$0200a8c0@DBTech>
Message-ID: <48934394.1010300@wildblue.net>

Something like that is going to happen Neil. AVA Solar will be/is  
providing panels
to the electric power industry.   http://www.avasolar.com/
Why would the power industry want them?
The generate electricity cheaper than anything else.

Bryan

neil at dbelltech.com wrote:
> Wes;
>
> I haven't done the math but I suspect that you would have to pave the state
> of Arizona with thin- film solar cells to get enough electricity to generate
> enough hydrogen to power all the cars in this country.
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

From ed at vetteracing.com  Fri Aug  1 12:00:52 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:00:52 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..
Message-ID: <W135375377122121217613652@webmail37>

Mayf,
Isn't your local recycling center the Yucca Flats nuke disposalarea? Just take
it out there and pour it on anything glowinggreen ;-)
Ed


-----Original Message-----
From: RACE427 at aol.com [mailto:RACE427 at aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 1, 2008 04:43 AM
To: drmayf at mayfco.com, land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..

Hi Mayf, It is against all EPA to dispose of used anti-freeze by dumping on
the ground or into any septic or sewer system. If caught, you will be issued a
heavy fine. The heavy metals in the used stuff is hazardous. Take it down to
your town's recycle center and they will, have to accept it as hazardous
waste. Used coolant is some pretty nasty stuff and wreaks havoc with the
environment. Just do the right thing !!! LOL Good luck, Tony Greco LI,NY

From adin at frontier.net  Fri Aug  1 12:24:14 2008
From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:24:14 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] fuel and such
In-Reply-To: <489340BF.7080106@wildblue.net>
References: <6582209.1217603390009.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<489340BF.7080106@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <20080801122414.1xtwxfsaw0kkk40c@webmail.brainstorminternet.net>

It seems we can't legislate good taste, ethics or leadership.

We have plenty of bright folks (witness the cars on the salt) yet "US  
technology" always seems to be not leading the world.

The whole thing makes me sick/angry/frustrated/choose something.

I wish everyone a safe and fast visit to the salt flats, I'll be  
thrashing the truck (last boxes arrived today).

David





> We need to introduce a new principal into American politics,  Leadership!

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Aug  1 12:43:55 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:43:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..
In-Reply-To: <W135375377122121217613652@webmail37>
References: <W135375377122121217613652@webmail37>
Message-ID: <4893596B.2090801@mayfco.com>

Dang! I forgot about Yucky Mt and Jackass Flats! I bet they are now more 
restricted than just about anywhere, lol, because of the "fallout".  I 
am just gonna wander down to the corner radiator shop and sk them what 
the heck they do with their used coolants. 

Are your ready for SW?

 mayf
Ed Van Scoy wrote:

> Mayf,
> Isn't your local recycling center the Yucca Flats nuke disposal area?  
> Just take it out there and pour it on anything glowing green ;-)
> Ed
>
>  
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* RACE427 at aol.com [mailto:RACE427 at aol.com]
>     *Sent:* Friday, August 1, 2008 04:43 AM
>     *To:* drmayf at mayfco.com, land-speed at autox.team.net
>     *Subject:* Re: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..
>
>     Hi Mayf, It is against all EPA to dispose of used anti-freeze by
>     dumping on the ground or into any septic or sewer system. If
>     caught, you will be issued a heavy fine. The heavy metals in the
>     used stuff is hazardous. Take it down to your town's recycle
>     center and they will, have to accept it as hazardous waste. Used
>     coolant is some pretty nasty stuff and wreaks havoc with the
>     environment. Just do the right thing !!! LOL Good luck, Tony Greco
>     LI,NY 

From desotoman at dslextreme.com  Fri Aug  1 12:55:43 2008
From: desotoman at dslextreme.com (Tom Gerardi)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:55:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] diesel trucks & fuel mileage
Message-ID: <27434a69a9ba23389a5b3a6a.20080801115543.qrfbgbzna@webmail.dslextreme.com>

Back in 1984 my brother bought an Isuzu mini pickup, about the size of the
Toyota Tacoma. One of the reasons he bought the Isuzu was it was the only
one he could sit in and not hit his head on the ceiling. (he is very long
waisted) Back then they offered a small diesel motor with all of 50 HP as
an option. We took it out for a test ride and it climbed the Calabasses
grade in 5th gear without loosing speed. So he purchased it. The next year
we took it to Speedweek and on the way home I wanted to see just what kind
of mileage I could get out of this little motor. I put the tailgate down
and keep it at 55-60 MPH from Wendover to Las Vegas. When we filled up in
Las Vegas we had gotten just over 50 mpg. Not bad for a non aero brick.
They no longer sell those trucks in the US, what a shame.

Tom Gerardi

From ed at vetteracing.com  Fri Aug  1 13:31:25 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:31:25 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..
Message-ID: <W18883488668671217619085@webmail27>

FWIW, the town I live in takes in hazardous waste once amonth (you deliver),
maybe the great metropolitan area of Pahrump doesthat.... worth a call.

Yeah I'm pretty much ready for SW, just tying up a few loose ends. Goodthing
I'm not having to do anything drastic, we are looking at 115 deg.today.

Ed



-----Original Message-----
From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com]
Sent: Friday, August 1, 2008 11:43 AM
To: 'Ed Van Scoy'
Cc: RACE427 at aol.com, land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..

Dang! I forgot about Yucky Mt and Jackass Flats! I bet they are now more
restricted than just about anywhere, lol, because of the "fallout". I am just
gonna wander down to the corner radiator shop and sk them what the heck they
do with their used coolants. Are your ready for SW? mayfEd Van Scoy wrote:>
Mayf,> Isn't your local recycling center the Yucca Flats nuke disposal area? >
Just take it out there and pour it on anything glowing green ;-)> Ed>> >> -

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 13:53:36 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:53:36 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..
Message-ID: <bda.2c71fa10.35c4c3c0@aol.com>

Hey Mayf ! 
Why not drop it off at your local public Heidi Fliess's place , I hear it's  
the perfect place to volunteer excess fluids... 
Bob , recycle this, W
 



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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Aug  1 14:03:38 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:03:38 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..
In-Reply-To: <W18883488668671217619085@webmail27>
References: <W18883488668671217619085@webmail27>
Message-ID: <48936C1A.9030003@mayfco.com>

I had checked with the local land fill folk and they take neither oil or 
antifreeze.  But sometimes they do have a day when you can have stuff 
picked up.  I'll check ino that..

Good on  being ready.  I have the t railer half loaded, all th eboxes of 
stuff are inside. Just need to put the tool box in, and then the car and 
the awning stuff behind the car.  Flushing the radiator on the tow truck 
now and redoing antifreeze. 

We are a few degrees behind you but noit bmany, lol...  Wea re 
programmed o hit about 110 today.  By Monday though it is supposed top 
be only 101 for a high. I'll need a sweater, lol...

hello to Mz Linda for us, please..

mayf
Ed Van Scoy wrote:

> FWIW, the town I live in takes in hazardous waste once a month (you 
> deliver), maybe the great metropolitan area of Pahrump does that.... 
> worth a call.
>
> Yeah I'm pretty much ready for SW, just tying up a few loose ends. 
> Good thing I'm not having to do anything drastic, we are looking at 
> 115 deg. today.
>
> Ed
>
>
>  
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com]
>     *Sent:* Friday, August 1, 2008 11:43 AM
>     *To:* 'Ed Van Scoy'
>     *Cc:* RACE427 at aol.com, land-speed at autox.team.net
>     *Subject:* Re: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..
>
>     Dang! I forgot about Yucky Mt and Jackass Flats! I bet they are
>     now more restricted than just about anywhere, lol, because of the
>     "fallout". I am just gonna wander down to the corner radiator shop
>     and sk them what the heck they do with their used coolants. Are
>     your ready for SW? mayf Ed Van Scoy wrote: > Mayf, > Isn't your
>     local recycling center the Yucca Flats nuke disposal area? > Just
>     take it out there and pour it on anything glowing green ;-) > Ed >
>     > > > - 

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Fri Aug  1 14:04:59 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:04:59 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..
In-Reply-To: <4893596B.2090801@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <20080801160459.LD2F5.29976.imail@fed1rmwml34>

Not all anti freeze has---deadly stuff!!!!!!!!!!---if it says you can flush it I would



---- drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote: 
> Dang! I forgot about Yucky Mt and Jackass Flats! I bet they 

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Aug  1 14:15:38 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:15:38 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..
In-Reply-To: <20080801160459.LD2F5.29976.imail@fed1rmwml34>
References: <20080801160459.LD2F5.29976.imail@fed1rmwml34>
Message-ID: <48936EEA.5090008@mayfco.com>

Yeah, I just logged on and googled antifreeze disposal.. The big issue 
is lead fromthe water circulating around the system and leaching lead 
from the radiator solder joints. I think most are aluminum today  so 
that is a non starter. I may just flush it dowm the drain opr take it to 
one of the parts places that will get rid of it. If I can find one...

Are your ready, Bill?  

mayf
sparky.2211 at cox.net wrote:

>Not all anti freeze has---deadly stuff!!!!!!!!!!---if it says you can flush it I would
>
>
>
>---- drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote: 
>  
>
>>Dang! I forgot about Yucky Mt and Jackass Flats! I bet they 

From kturk at ala.net  Fri Aug  1 15:33:42 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:33:42 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re:  Anti-freeze Disposal..
References: <20080801160459.LD2F5.29976.imail@fed1rmwml34>
Message-ID: <00d401c8f41e$4664da70$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

finally a voice of reason in there.... I'd flush that stuff so fast it'd 
scare ya....

Not the oil... but Anti-freeze... oh hell yeah.... we aren't doing this for 
a living here...

K 

From RACE427 at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 15:59:00 2008
From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:59:00 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re:  Anti-freeze Disposal..
Message-ID: <d4e.326dd81c.35c4e124@aol.com>

Hey Keith,
 
   Anti freeze breaks down in the environment, it is  the heavy metals in the 
stuff that is toxic.   Just don't let your  neighbors know or an EPA employee 
see you!!!    We will be baking  you a cake with a hack saw inside !!!   LOL
 
    Tony G



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From RACE427 at aol.com  Fri Aug  1 16:13:38 2008
From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:13:38 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] CAT and Cummins
Message-ID: <cd7.38525371.35c4e492@aol.com>

Caterpillar is out of the engine business  in North America,  they claim they 
cannot make enough money to survive  here.
 
Cat has teamed up with International.   Cummins is  the only game in town and 
they make an excellent  diesel.



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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Aug  1 19:11:36 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:11:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re:  Anti-freeze Disposal..
In-Reply-To: <00d401c8f41e$4664da70$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <20080801160459.LD2F5.29976.imail@fed1rmwml34>
	<00d401c8f41e$4664da70$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <4893B448.80502@mayfco.com>

But would we flush it into our septic system?  That was one of the 
questions...

Where you been...you been awfully quiet

mayf
Keith Turk wrote:

> finally a voice of reason in there.... I'd flush that stuff so fast 
> it'd scare ya....
>
> Not the oil... but Anti-freeze... oh hell yeah.... we aren't doing 
> this for a living here...
>
> K

From ed at vetteracing.com  Fri Aug  1 21:23:23 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:23:23 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..
Message-ID: <W472756578135741217647403@webmail36>

Dang Mayf, sounds like you could leave in the morning! Ihaven't even pulled
the trailer out yet, much less think about packingit.....Oh well, there's next
week.... See you and Cathy in about2 weeks,
Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com]
Sent: Friday, August 1, 2008 01:03 PM
To: 'Ed Van Scoy'
Cc: RACE427 at aol.com, land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal..

I had checked with the local land fill folk and they take neither oil or
antifreeze. But sometimes they do have a day when you can have stuff picked
up. I'll check ino that..Good on being ready. I have the t railer half loaded,
all th eboxes of stuff are inside. Just need to put the tool box in, and then
the car and the awning stuff behind the car. Flushing the radiator on the tow
truck now and redoing antifreeze. We are a few degrees behind you but noit
bmany, lol... Wea re programmed o hit about 110 today. By Monday though it is
supposed top be only 101 for a high. I'll need a sweater, lol...hello to Mz
Linda for us, please..mayfEd Van Scoy wrote:> FWIW, the town I live in takes
in hazardous waste once a month (you > deliver), maybe the great metropolitan
area of Pahrump does that.... > worth a call.>> Yeah I'm pretty much ready for
SW, just tying up a few loose ends. > Good thing I'm not having to do anything
drastic, we are looking at > 115 deg. today.>> Ed>>> >> -----Original
Message-----> *From:* drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com]> *Sent:* Friday,
August 1, 2008 11:43 AM> *To:* 'Ed Van Scoy'> *Cc:* RACE427 at aol.com,
land-speed at autox.team.net> *Subject:* Re: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze
Disposal..>> Dang! I forgot about Yucky Mt and Jackass Flats! I bet they are>
now more restricted than just about anywhere, lol, because of the> "fallout".
I am just gonna wander down to the corner radiator shop> and sk them what the
heck they do with their used coolants. Are> your ready for SW? mayf Ed Van
Scoy wrote: > Mayf, > Isn't your> local recycling center the Yucca Flats nuke
disposal area? > Just> take it out there and pour it on anything glowing green
;-) > Ed >> > > > - >

From kturk at ala.net  Fri Aug  1 22:22:26 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:22:26 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re: [BULK]Re:  Anti-freeze Disposal..
References: <20080801160459.LD2F5.29976.imail@fed1rmwml34>
	<00d401c8f41e$4664da70$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<4893B448.80502@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <00e601c8f457$5f5e0b30$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

A Septic System that won't Freeze.... How Perfect... LOL

I'm good... been working on junk...

K

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Aug  1 23:13:18 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:13:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re: [BULK]Re:  Anti-freeze Disposal..
In-Reply-To: <00e601c8f457$5f5e0b30$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <20080801160459.LD2F5.29976.imail@fed1rmwml34>
	<00d401c8f41e$4664da70$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<4893B448.80502@mayfco.com>
	<00e601c8f457$5f5e0b30$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <4893ECEE.6010609@mayfco.com>

Mor elike one that quit working when the glycol is poured in. Man I 
would hate to have to have that corrected.. uprooting rees and ons of 
rock to get at that sucker...

You always been good..  nothing you ever worked on was ever never junk, 
lol...
stay cool

mayf
Keith Turk wrote:

> A Septic System that won't Freeze.... How Perfect... LOL
>
> I'm good... been working on junk...
>
> K

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Aug  3 01:04:43 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 00:04:43 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal
Message-ID: <4895588B.8020303@wildblue.net>

Mayf,

Put it in your trailer and give it to me at Bonneville so that I
can dump it in the Haz-Mat tank in the pits.

Bryan

From NT788 at comcast.net  Sun Aug  3 10:53:09 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:53:09 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re:  Anti-freeze Disposal..
Message-ID: <080320081653.18300.4895E275000D1DE80000477C2215575114C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

I just shit a brick. What will I do with that? jack
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>
> finally a voice of reason in there.... I'd flush that stuff so fast it'd 
> scare ya....
> 
> Not the oil... but Anti-freeze... oh hell yeah.... we aren't doing this for 
> a living here...
> 
> K 
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From NT788 at comcast.net  Sun Aug  3 11:01:15 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:01:15 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] fuel and such
Message-ID: <080320081701.3489.4895E45B00028B4F00000DA12215575114C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

Lets just say we got these great diesels, the fuel then would cost $10 per gallon! War making is just to expensive! jack
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bryan Savage <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
> GM sold us not "POS" diesels, they were IMITATION  diesels.
> 
> The "on the take legislators" have really screwed us by not mandating ULSD
> 10 years ago. They say they were trying to make diesel truck owners happy.
> We need to introduce a new principal into American politics,  Leadership!
>  
> GM England has a small two door sports coupe that has a 1.9L TDI engine.
> at 70, on the A-4 with a passenger, AC on  it gets 51 MPG. Top speed is 
> governed
> at 135 MPH because of the tires. This kind of diesel performance has 
> been available
> in Europe for the last 10+ years. Why haven't we seen them? They can 
> ONLY run
> on ULSD which we didn't get until January 2007, I think. Sulfur destroys 
> the sensors
> in the exhaust. Modern diesel performance will blow most people away. 
> It's amazing,
> I used to hate diesels because they started hard, were very noisy, 
> vibrated at normal
> speeds and produced a lot of torque but no horsepower. They couldn't 
> produce HP
> because the couldn't rev fast enough. Check the power curves on a modern 
> diesel.
> You'll be surprised.
> 
> Bryan
> 
> 
> A lot of the tech. for these modern diesels was developed here in the 
> '80's and '90's.
> Check SAE papers, you'll be amazed.
> 
> NOTE: If you have a new diesel that says Use Only ULSD and you fill up 
> in Mexico,
> it stops ruining and you have to pay all repair costs even if it has 
> only 100 miles on the clock.
> Very, very expensive.
> 
> James Tone wrote:
> > Bryan, Look at the POS diesels the American manufacturers gave us in the past. 
> They are nothing like the ones today. Even with the minor problens the pickup 
> are haveing is nothing like the GM junk that was sold to us. Our main problem is 
> performance and how it's been pushed down everones throat. Hey we liked 
> performance and diesels have been portrayed as slow. Well now is a new time and 
> milage/cost is on the forefront. Hopefully the loddyist/one the take legislators 
> (and they all are) will take notice an change some of what's been ailing us for 
> years........
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Aug  3 11:16:54 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 10:16:54 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re:  Anti-freeze Disposal..
In-Reply-To: <080320081653.18300.4895E275000D1DE80000477C2215575114C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
References: <080320081653.18300.4895E275000D1DE80000477C2215575114C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4895E806.5070208@mayfco.com>

Dang! I bet that hurt!

mayf
NT788 at comcast.net wrote:

>I just shit a brick. What will I do with that? jack
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>
>  
>
>>finally a voice of reason in there.... I'd flush that stuff so fast it'd 
>>scare ya....
>>
>>Not the oil... but Anti-freeze... oh hell yeah.... we aren't doing this for 
>>a living here...
>>
>>K 

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sun Aug  3 11:25:28 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:25:28 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal
References: <4895588B.8020303@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <00c101c8f58d$ecdefe10$6501a8c0@Glens>

There is no haz-mat tank on the salt. Everyone is required to have their own 
waste cans and take it with them, Any one caught dumping any thing on the 
salt or in the crappers will be removed from the event.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
To: "List Land Speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:04 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal


> Mayf,
>
> Put it in your trailer and give it to me at Bonneville so that I
> can dump it in the Haz-Mat tank in the pits.
>
> Bryan
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From RACE427 at aol.com  Sun Aug  3 16:06:21 2008
From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:06:21 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Anti-freeze Disposal
Message-ID: <d08.3e60785e.35c785dd@aol.com>

Here at school I have two 55 gallon drums,  one is for waste oil, ATF, etc., 
the other is for old coolant.  When the  oil drum is just about full we have a 
company come down who pumps it out for a  fee.  He takes both oil and 
coolant.  One time I asked why take both  together, even though we cannot mix the two 
waste products?     His answer was " that it all gets sold to high rise 
building owners in NYC who  burn the waste fluids in their oil burners for heat and 
hot  water".    I was not aware that used coolant would burn, still  cannot 
believe what he said.  He gives us a receipt for the removal and he  is also 
licensed by the EPA.  Receipts must be kept on  file.    Safety Kleen also 
offers this service.
 
  His only concern is that no excess amount  of gasoline was dumped in with 
the oil !!
 
  Just thought I would pass this  on



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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Sun Aug  3 18:26:15 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:26:15 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re:  Anti-freeze Disposal..
Message-ID: <bf0.32e1b5d9.35c7a6a7@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/3/2008 12:53:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
NT788 at comcast.net writes:

I just  shit a brick. What will I do with that? jack
Keep doing it, we'll build a shit brick house.  bob



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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sun Aug  3 22:08:51 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:08:51 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re:  Anti-freeze Disposal..
In-Reply-To: <bf0.32e1b5d9.35c7a6a7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20080804000851.NBQTY.60441.imail@fed1rmwml34>

ROTFLMAO----



---- BWANA343 at aol.com wrote: 
> In a message dated 8/3/2008 12:53:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> NT788 at comcast.net writes:
> 
> I just  shit a brick. What will I do with that? jack
> Keep doing it, we'll build a shit brick house.  bob

From jon.the.wise at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 00:06:18 2008
From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jon Bishop)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:06:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Alternative Transporation
Message-ID: <F89B5996-58A2-4E15-B585-E03A262BC821@gmail.com>

Just got this link sent to me from a friend, thought I'd pass it on.  
An interesting idea. Functional? Maybe. Anyone wanna give it a try?

<http://www.createthefuturecontest.com/pages/view/entriesdetail.html?entryID=1398 

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Mon Aug  4 00:38:26 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 02:38:26 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Alternative Transporation
In-Reply-To: <F89B5996-58A2-4E15-B585-E03A262BC821@gmail.com>
References: <F89B5996-58A2-4E15-B585-E03A262BC821@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D6BDED83300496B8D5B915DF941ECE1@DaveSatellite>

it is an ultra high friction electric motor..lol
please don't tell me we are getting the electrical power from the alternator 
that would be even funnier.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Bishop" <jon.the.wise at gmail.com>
To: "LandSpeed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:06 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Alternative Transporation


> Just got this link sent to me from a friend, thought I'd pass it on.
> An interesting idea. Functional? Maybe. Anyone wanna give it a try?
>
> <http://www.createthefuturecontest.com/pages/view/entriesdetail.html?entryID=1398

From kturk at ala.net  Mon Aug  4 05:45:14 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 06:45:14 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re:  Anti-freeze Disposal..
References: <bf0.32e1b5d9.35c7a6a7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <014301c8f627$905ab400$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

> I just  shit a brick. What will I do with that? jack
> Keep doing it, we'll build a shit brick house.  bob

Bob... ( notice I spelled that backwards didn't ya... LOL Da Duhhh )

That's a Great idea... maybe we can built it shaped like a Girl eh?

People would shit more bricks and we could ...

K

From ifixmgs at cox.net  Mon Aug  4 05:50:56 2008
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 7:50:56 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed]  Alternative Transporation
In-Reply-To: <0D6BDED83300496B8D5B915DF941ECE1@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <20080804075056.B5K7V.27130.imail@eastrmwml24.mgt.cox.net>

Dave -  I'm only passing this on to you in case you didn't get the post this morning - please, no flames to the messenger.....      
       Mark C  -   at the edge of the Great  Dismal Swamp 

To:   Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren at snet.net> who  wrote: > it is an ultra high friction electric motor..lol
> please don't tell me we are getting the electrical power from the alternator  that would be even funnier

From:   < smartestkidinmyclass@ magnet-school .edu>     Tell that big techno-pooper Dave Dahlgren that I'm way ahead of him.  I took  the alternator off and added two cans of Slick 50  to the crankcase to  meet  my school's requirements for  certification as a  "Reduced Friction Motor".      Dude , you  like  plug in  your basic available-anywhere 440 volt three phase extension cord  to charge the caps. And  if you need to go farther than the end of the driveway, it stays plugged in. I mean, like how much simpler can it get?      If  you want to use my unlimited power motor on your race car, you could like  tow a diesel-powered generator behind it, and run another one of my patented motors to power the trailer and you'd  go like sooooo fast.        So who's laughing now, mister know-it-all?      
R. Smith     

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Aug  4 08:06:00 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:06:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Alternative Transporation
In-Reply-To: <F89B5996-58A2-4E15-B585-E03A262BC821@gmail.com>
References: <F89B5996-58A2-4E15-B585-E03A262BC821@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48970CC8.6010107@mayfco.com>

I would attack this differently. I would make each piston a solenoid 
plunger. Then the applied curren could drive the piston down. It coul 
dbe applied evenly all the way down and that wold be better than the 
BMEP we have now.  As a demo unit could use a model airplane motor, 
keeping the rotating assy and replace the piston and cyl with a solenoid 
connectoed to the crank via the piston rod. Apply th ecurrent just as 
pistonis at TDC  and keep it on all th eway to the end of the stroke.   
Make the piston magnetic so it recovers current on the up stroke, maybe. 
Us eback emf o help th enext unit in line to operate.
But as Dave said, sounds like an electric motor, lol... but what if i 
could be made to replace ou existing motors so we could keep our basic 
vehicles? I don't think th e electrics would be much. COntrol neither..

interesting

mayf
Jon Bishop wrote:

>Just got this link sent to me from a friend, thought I'd pass it on.  
>An interesting idea. Functional? Maybe. Anyone wanna give it a try?
>
><http://www.createthefuturecontest.com/pages/view/entriesdetail.html?entryID=1398 
>_______________________________________________

From v4gr at rcn.com  Mon Aug  4 08:18:20 2008
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:18:20 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Alternative Transporation
References: <F89B5996-58A2-4E15-B585-E03A262BC821@gmail.com>
	<48970CC8.6010107@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <000601c8f63c$f362d3b0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Why use electricity at all? Why not just put a big spring on top of the 
piston? Then when it comes up it will compress the spring and as it goes 
over the top the spring will push the piston down much like the burning fuel 
did. Should work just as well.

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Tue Aug  5 07:48:35 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:48:35 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] alum heads on the street
Message-ID: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB016CDD8E@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Since my knowledge of chemistry ends with "Salt, its not just for
margaritas." I must ask:



Alum heads - antifreeze -What should one do to prevent the chemical
(galvanic?) action in the cooling system??



Is antifreeze enough?  Do I need a sacrificial anode?



Any tips/thoughts/theories appreciated.



David in Durango

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Tue Aug  5 08:17:41 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 7:17:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] alum heads on the street
In-Reply-To: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB016CDD8E@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <20080805101741.OYAI7.85584.imail@fed1rmwml34>

There are anodes that are made to screw into the rad. drain plug hole!!!!!!----YES YES YES
---- "Adin wrote: 
> Since my knowledge of chemistry ends with "Salt, its not just for
> margaritas." I must ask:
> 
> 
> 
> Alum heads - antifreeze -What should one do to prevent the chemical
> (galvanic?) action in the cooling system??
> 
> 
> 
> Is antifreeze enough?  Do I need a sacrificial anode?

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Tue Aug  5 09:10:46 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:10:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] alum heads on the street
In-Reply-To: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB016CDD8E@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
References: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB016CDD8E@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <48986D76.40706@wildblue.net>

David,

Just use Prestone Dex-Cool. It is formulated to meet the GM requirements 
for any
engine with Aluminum parts in the cooling system.

I use it in my Honda V-6 which is all Al and my '99 Ford  Ranger 4cyl 
which is
Al head and iron block.

It's good almost forever.

Hope this helps,
Bryan
 


Adin, David wrote:
> Since my knowledge of chemistry ends with "Salt, its not just for
> margaritas." I must ask:
>
>
>
> Alum heads - antifreeze -What should one do to prevent the chemical
> (galvanic?) action in the cooling system??
>
>
>
> Is antifreeze enough?  Do I need a sacrificial anode?
>
>
>
> Any tips/thoughts/theories appreciated.
>
>
>
> David in Durango
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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Tue Aug  5 09:42:45 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:42:45 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] alum heads on the street
References: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB016CDD8E@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <489874F4.000019.02972@D3DP98F1>

David,

This is a good topic for discussion. The problem of cooling system erosion
is not limited to aluminum heads. I remember in the 50's and 60's
particularly when I was in Southern California, that replacing freeze plugs
was a routine maintenance job. We replaced them with brass to help ward off
the a reoccurrence.

Today, this is not as great a problem since everything runs coolant (50/50
water and antifreeze). However, coolant can lose its ability to protect and
should be changed when that happens. The culprit here is electrolysis. The
cooling system becomes a battery, producing voltage which can also upset the
computer system since it uses the engine block for its grounds. A simple
check with a voltmeter can tell you if you are in an unsafe situation.

Testing for Electrolysis:
 Test with the engine running and at operating temperature. Make sure that
all engine ground Straps are in place.
 Using a digital voltmeter: Place the negative (-) lead to the battery
negative post and the Positive (+) lead into the coolant.
 A voltage reading above 0.300V can cause pinholes in the heater core in a
short amount of time.

Check these web sites for more info... http://www.4s
com/fourseasons/tech_tips/tech_tips_English/AB350_Electrolysis_02.pdf

Proper ground circuits are a must in today cars, improper grounding
accelerates the electrolysis problem.

http://www.search-autoparts.com/searchautoparts/article/articleDetail
jsp?id=154932


Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC


-------Original Message-------

From: Adin, David
Date: 8/5/2008 6:49:22 AM
To: LandSpeed List
Cc: panteras
Subject: [Land-speed] alum heads on the street

Since my knowledge of chemistry ends with "Salt, its not just for
margaritas." I must ask:



Alum heads - antifreeze -What should one do to prevent the chemical
(galvanic?) action in the cooling system??



Is antifreeze enough?  Do I need a sacrificial anode?



Any tips/thoughts/theories appreciated.



David in Durango

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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Tue Aug  5 09:53:29 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 08:53:29 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] alum heads on the street
References: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB016CDD8E@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <48987779.00001F.02972@D3DP98F1>

Dave,

<Alum heads - antifreeze -What should one do to prevent the chemical
(galvanic?) action in the cooling system??>


It appears that the links I posted did not work. Lets try again.

www.4s.com/fourseasons/tech_tips/tech_tips_English/AB350_Electrolysis_02.pdf
www.search-autoparts.com/searchautoparts/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=154932
Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Tue Aug  5 11:11:44 2008
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:11:44 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] alum heads on the street
In-Reply-To: <48987779.00001F.02972@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <37A8566939582C439A165159E7F7BDCB016CDD99@cddgomsx03.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Huge thanks to Tom, Sparky and Bryan for some info - I sure appreciate
it.



Actually, I did try Tom's idea of measuring voltage of the coolant (on
my now ex-wife's truck) to determine if anything was going on.  It sure
is great to get help so one doesn't have to reinvent the wheel EVERY
day.



Have a safe Speedweek!



David



-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Bryant [mailto:saltracer at awwwsome.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:53 AM
To: LandSpeed List; Adin, David
Cc: panteras
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] alum heads on the street



Dave,



<Alum heads - antifreeze -What should one do to prevent the chemical

(galvanic?) action in the cooling system??>





It appears that the links I posted did not work. Lets try again.



www.4s.com/fourseasons/tech_tips/tech_tips_English/AB350_Electrolysis_02
.pdf

www.search-autoparts.com/searchautoparts/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=15
4932

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC











  <http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=101218&rui=94775040>

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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Tue Aug  5 19:00:18 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:00:18 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Loring, Maine Demo/Show and tell
Message-ID: <c68.32612164.35ca51a2@aol.com>

(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4188.msg58240.html#msg58240) 

 
(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php/topic,4188.msg58240.html#msg58240) 
 
(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=58240;topic=4188.30;num_replies=36;sesc=74f31d9ea8c66c0f75789356bb0c4e63)  
(http://www.landracing.com/forum/index.php?action=post;msg=58240;topic=4188.30;sesc=74f31d9ea8c66
c0f75789356bb0c4e63) 
Bobby Jepson and I, Bob Wanner , will be up to our Runway in  Loring for a 
small media event on Saturday, August 16. We will bring our cars  for show and 
tell about our project and hopefully explaining LSR for our  neighbors up 
North. We will also do demo runs, both to familiarize ourselves  with the surface 
and make a video to show everybody what it looks like. I don't  know how much 
our presence will be publicized otherwise, or how many, if any,  curious souls 
will show. I would like to invite all LSR types that can find any  excuse to 
appear, to come, as I get tired talking to Bobby J all the time.
If  you check out the place on a map, we will meet at the far south end of 
the main  runway.
This will not be a racing event, just a little show biz and meet the  new 
neighbors.
Rain day,Sunday
Bob W
 



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From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Aug  7 09:38:43 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:38:43 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Hall of Fame Voting Procedure
Message-ID: <006701c8f8a3$ad00d610$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

I have been asked how the voting for the Hall of Fame is done. Here are the
guide lines.  Doug Odom in big ditch

Procedure for Election of Dry Lakes Racing Hall of Fame Inductees:

In the spring of each year (March/April) a Ballot will be mailed to all the
current living Hall of Fame Members, all SCTA Clubs, the SCTA Board, the USFRA
Club, the ECTA and the Bonneville 200 MPH Club.

Each Hall of Fame member will fill out his Ballot to his preference and each
Club will solicit their Club members so as to compile the votes for the Club
Ballot. If there is a person or vehicle you feel should be inducted the GCR&R
Club advise that you contact other Hall of Fame members and other associated
clubs to solicit their votes.

Each BALLOT is embossed with the Gold Coast Roadster & Racing Club Official
Seal and only these Ballots will be counted. It is important that the votes
are listed in order of preference; Example Entry #1 is worth six points, #2 is
five points and so on to #6 at one point.

The completed Ballots are returned to the Gold Coast R&R Club in an envelope
with the word Ballot on the back no later than the date listed on the Ballot.
All Ballots are tallied by a group of GCR&R members under the President's
supervision and direction following strict guidelines. The nominees with the
most votes in each category become the Inductee.

 (Note: The vehicle Inductees must be able to be on display at the event to
receive the award. If unable to be present, the vehicle with the next highest
number of votes is contacted.)

From yesford at clear.net.nz  Thu Aug  7 17:21:15 2008
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 11:21:15 +1200
Subject: [Land-speed] TV interview
Message-ID: <1756C62D1A154C8EA6B473FDCE062714@ChrisHarrisPC>

Well today's the 8th Aug, and we're flying out on our first leg to Speedweek 
08. Really looking forward to catching up with one and all out there and 
hearing that distinctive crunch of salt once again.
We had local TV do an interview before we shipped the roadster for anyone 
interested.
See you all soon,
Chris H..............NZed.

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin/1907930 

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  7 20:27:56 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 02:27:56 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] TV interview
Message-ID: <BAY135-W3DD956D09D826092FB2A0D9740@phx.gbl>

what a marvelous 6 minutes of   'why'  'where'  'what for'   ...and family
passion.

I think this might be the best quality 6 minutes of motorsport TV there has
been.

My very best wishes and regards to You Chris, ands Linc,  ..and all my Kiwi
friends going to the salt.

Oh how I wish I could be with you when you do your best !

Godspeed m' friends.

    c heers , ' Dirt Track Doug '

       -241.4 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway
       -2247 miles due east of the Bonneville SaltFlats
                 but never more than a few feet from a cold one
---------------------------------
   Speedway Bikes, Minibikes  and Harley- D's rode with equal joy,
            Dog Training, Murdersickle Parts,  Emergency Airship repair,
              Hot Air,  Hot Blues, Cold Beer,  Fast Cars,  an' Warm
Willin'Wimin'
               Aerial Surveillance,  Corrupt Politicians exposed,  Midgets,
Sprint Cars,

                                    -and 'Slide Jobs'  truly appreciated  for
the  FINE ART that they are      -----------------------------------------
oooo ----------------------------------------------


> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:21:15 +1200
> From: yesford at clear.net.nz
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] TV interview
>
 Well today's the 8th Aug, and we're flying out on our first leg to Speedweek
08.
Really looking forward to catching up with one and all out there and  hearing
that distinctive crunch of salt once again.  We had local TV do an interview
before we shipped the roadster for anyone interested.

 See you all soon,    Chris H..............NZed.

       http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin/1907930

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From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Fri Aug  8 07:00:36 2008
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:00:36 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] TV interview
In-Reply-To: <1756C62D1A154C8EA6B473FDCE062714@ChrisHarrisPC>
References: <1756C62D1A154C8EA6B473FDCE062714@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20ADD6B4A@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

I liked it very much, especially the part where Lincoln said, I don't
have to convince anyone!!!

Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder



-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.ne
t] On Behalf Of Chris Harris
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 7:21 PM
To: Land speed list
Subject: [Land-speed] TV interview

Well today's the 8th Aug, and we're flying out on our first leg to
Speedweek 08. Really looking forward to catching up with one and all out
there and hearing that distinctive crunch of salt once again.
We had local TV do an interview before we shipped the roadster for
anyone interested.
See you all soon,
Chris H..............NZed.

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Fri Aug  8 08:37:15 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:37:15 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] TV interview
References: <1756C62D1A154C8EA6B473FDCE062714@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <489C5A1B.000001.01084@D3DP98F1>

Great video Chris. I hope to see you on the salt and meet the family.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From saltfevr at q.com  Fri Aug  8 16:48:41 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:48:41 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] TV interview
In-Reply-To: <1756C62D1A154C8EA6B473FDCE062714@ChrisHarrisPC>
References: <1756C62D1A154C8EA6B473FDCE062714@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W4744DCD324A135652F637AC9740@phx.gbl>

Great story Chris and Lincoln. Hope to cya at Salt Talks Sunday nite. Welcome
Back!!



Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:21:15 +1200> From:
yesford at clear.net.nz> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Subject: [Land-speed] TV
interview> > Well today's the 8th Aug, and we're flying out on our first leg
to Speedweek > 08. Really looking forward to catching up with one and all out
there and > hearing that distinctive crunch of salt once again.> We had local
TV do an interview before we shipped the roadster for anyone > interested.>
See you all soon,> Chris H..............NZed.> >
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin/1907930 >
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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  8 17:51:09 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:51:09 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] KIWI's  Bonneville,  and TV interviews
In-Reply-To: <BAY122-W4744DCD324A135652F637AC9740@phx.gbl>
References: <1756C62D1A154C8EA6B473FDCE062714@ChrisHarrisPC>
	<BAY122-W4744DCD324A135652F637AC9740@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W12398576417A86A936A2CAD9740@phx.gbl>

Tommy Shannon, me boyo,    now I gotta aska special favor of ye;  I want you
to give a 'extry special' halloooooooooo from me to -all the Kiwis-  -and
tell'em it ain't my fault I could'nt come....   'cause,...  I sure as hell
wanted to !   Then tell them all to "tip a tinnie"  (or 2  or 3...)  for me

-good ol'  'Dirt Track Doug '      -would ya huh ?thanks m' fren ....!






> From: saltfevr at q.com
> To: yesford at clear.net.nz; land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:48:41 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] TV interview
>
> Great story Chris and Lincoln. Hope to cya at Salt Talks Sunday nite.
Welcome
> Back!!
>
>
>
> Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:21:15 +1200> From:
> yesford at clear.net.nz> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Subject: [Land-speed]
TV
> interview> > Well today's the 8th Aug, and we're flying out on our first
leg
> to Speedweek > 08. Really looking forward to catching up with one and all
out
> there and > hearing that distinctive crunch of salt once again.> We had
local
> TV do an interview before we shipped the roadster for anyone > interested.>
>

See you all soon,> Chris H..............NZed.> >
>

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From adin at frontier.net  Fri Aug  8 20:27:41 2008
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:27:41 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] TV interview
References: <1756C62D1A154C8EA6B473FDCE062714@ChrisHarrisPC>
	<BAY122-W4744DCD324A135652F637AC9740@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004401c8f9c7$7fceb340$6601a8c0@ZTxp>

Wow, that was great!  Don't know how I missed the link the first time, 
thanks to Tom for including it again.

Go fast, come home happy!

david
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Shannon" <saltfevr at q.com>
To: "Chris Harris" <yesford at clear.net.nz>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] TV interview


> Great story Chris and Lincoln. Hope to cya at Salt Talks Sunday nite. 
> Welcome
> Back!!
>
>
>
> Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:21:15 +1200> From:
> yesford at clear.net.nz> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Subject: [Land-speed] 
> TV
> interview> > Well today's the 8th Aug, and we're flying out on our first 
> leg
> to Speedweek > 08. Really looking forward to catching up with one and all 
> out
> there and > hearing that distinctive crunch of salt once again.> We had 
> local
> TV do an interview before we shipped the roadster for anyone > 
> interested.>
> See you all soon,> Chris H..............NZed.> >
> http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin/1907930 >
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Fri Aug  8 21:00:48 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:00:48 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] TV interview
In-Reply-To: <1756C62D1A154C8EA6B473FDCE062714@ChrisHarrisPC>
References: <1756C62D1A154C8EA6B473FDCE062714@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <489D085F.3050201@wildblue.net>

I remember that day well Chris. It shook me up a bit at the time as we 
were running the
Streamliner with the turbo motor for the first time. The fact that you 
had to go to the
Hospital wasn't good.
I was very happy when you came back to Bonneville. It hurt your body but 
not your mind.
I agree with the prior comments. This is the best one I've seen.

Your and your sons attitude about it speaks volumes.

Thank you,
Bryan Savage




Chris Harris wrote:
> Well today's the 8th Aug, and we're flying out on our first leg to Speedweek 
> 08. Really looking forward to catching up with one and all out there and 
> hearing that distinctive crunch of salt once again.
> We had local TV do an interview before we shipped the roadster for anyone 
> interested.
> See you all soon,
> Chris H..............NZed.
>
> http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin/1907930 
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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Fri Aug  8 22:59:44 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:59:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] TV interview
In-Reply-To: <1756C62D1A154C8EA6B473FDCE062714@ChrisHarrisPC>
Message-ID: <20080809005944.CTF67.156642.imail@fed1rmwml28>

WELL done MATES!!!!!!!!!!


---- Chris Harris <yesford at clear.net.nz> wrote: 
> Well today's the 8th Aug, and we're flying out on our first leg to Speedweek 
> 08. Really looking forward to catching up with one and all out there and 
> hearing that distinctive crunch of salt once again.
> We had local TV do an interview before we shipped the roadster for anyone 
> interested.
> See you all soon,
> Chris H..............NZed.
> 
> http

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Mon Aug 11 08:34:29 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:34:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Wendover Motel Rooms
Message-ID: <48A04DF5.7040702@wildblue.net>

What is the status of lodging in Wendover?

News reports say that in Reno and LV there empty rooms everywhere.

Thanks for the info.,
Bryan

From lona at finishlinecoatings.com  Mon Aug 11 12:18:06 2008
From: lona at finishlinecoatings.com (Finishline Coatings)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:18:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] pre entry for sale
Message-ID: <48A0825E.9020104@finishlinecoatings.com>

Hi Guys
Well, car is not done, etc. and we have a pre entry for sale...Anyone 
interested or know someone who might be or where to advertise the sale?
Please contact us at russ at finishlinecoatings or call at 503 659 4278 or 
503 504 2065. Our cost and your cost would be $400.00.
Good luck, safety and a good time to all who attend!!!
Much thanks
Lona & Russ Meeks
Finishline Coatings

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 11 12:58:03 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:58:03 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Wendover Motel Rooms
Message-ID: <32207300.1218481083429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The salt isn't adjacent to Reno or LV..But like you I feel there will ba abundant rooms..

>
>What is the status of lodging in Wendover?
>
>News reports say that in Reno and LV there empty rooms everywhere.
>
>Thanks for the info.,
>Bryan

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Mon Aug 11 13:00:17 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:00:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Wendover Motel Rooms
In-Reply-To: <48A04DF5.7040702@wildblue.net>
References: <48A04DF5.7040702@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <20080811185954.6556F187658@autox.team.net>

What I heard today is that the Super 8 is now America's Best Value 
Inn and our reservations changed but were still there. Phone 
775-664-2888 if you want to talk to Chris....we had 2 extra 
rooms...if you talk to Chris and mention my name they might give you 
one.....or not.....(-:(-:

Skip




At 07:34 AM 8/11/2008, Bryan Savage wrote:
>What is the status of lodging in Wendover?
>
>News reports say that in Reno and LV there empty rooms everywhere.
>
>Thanks for the info.,
>Bryan
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From lona at finishlinecoatings.com  Mon Aug 11 13:45:46 2008
From: lona at finishlinecoatings.com (Finishline Coatings)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:45:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] pre entry
Message-ID: <48A096EA.2020606@finishlinecoatings.com>

Hi Again
Well, the pre entry has been sold...
Thanks for your help...
Russ

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Mon Aug 11 17:20:21 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:20:21 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Wendover Motel Rooms
In-Reply-To: <48a08c3f.1fba720a.2847.ffff9f59SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <48A04DF5.7040702@wildblue.net>
	<48a08c3f.1fba720a.2847.ffff9f59SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <48A0C935.6080500@wildblue.net>

Thank you very much Skip, I just got a room.

Bryan

From NT788 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 11:58:54 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Entry for sale
Message-ID: <081220081758.2200.48A1CF5D000D8209000008982215553894C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

Entry for sale Call 831 588 4007  or fredfrick at gmail.com
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: NT788 at comcast.net
> Lets just say we got these great diesels, the fuel then would cost $10 per 
> gallon! War making is just to expensive! jack
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Bryan Savage <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
> > GM sold us not "POS" diesels, they were IMITATION  diesels.
> > 
> > The "on the take legislators" have really screwed us by not mandating ULSD
> > 10 years ago. They say they were trying to make diesel truck owners happy.
> > We need to introduce a new principal into American politics,  Leadership!
> >  
> > GM England has a small two door sports coupe that has a 1.9L TDI engine.
> > at 70, on the A-4 with a passenger, AC on  it gets 51 MPG. Top speed is 
> > governed
> > at 135 MPH because of the tires. This kind of diesel performance has 
> > been available
> > in Europe for the last 10+ years. Why haven't we seen them? They can 
> > ONLY run
> > on ULSD which we didn't get until January 2007, I think. Sulfur destroys 
> > the sensors
> > in the exhaust. Modern diesel performance will blow most people away. 
> > It's amazing,
> > I used to hate diesels because they started hard, were very noisy, 
> > vibrated at normal
> > speeds and produced a lot of torque but no horsepower. They couldn't 
> > produce HP
> > because the couldn't rev fast enough. Check the power curves on a modern 
> > diesel.
> > You'll be surprised.
> > 
> > Bryan
> > 
> > 
> > A lot of the tech. for these modern diesels was developed here in the 
> > '80's and '90's.
> > Check SAE papers, you'll be amazed.
> > 
> > NOTE: If you have a new diesel that says Use Only ULSD and you fill up 
> > in Mexico,
> > it stops ruining and you have to pay all repair costs even if it has 
> > only 100 miles on the clock.
> > Very, very expensive.
> > 
> > James Tone wrote:
> > > Bryan, Look at the POS diesels the American manufacturers gave us in the 
> past. 
> > They are nothing like the ones today. Even with the minor problens the pickup 
> > are haveing is nothing like the GM junk that was sold to us. Our main problem 
> is 
> > performance and how it's been pushed down everones throat. Hey we liked 
> > performance and diesels have been portrayed as slow. Well now is a new time 
> and 
> > milage/cost is on the forefront. Hopefully the loddyist/one the take 
> legislators 
> > (and they all are) will take notice an change some of what's been ailing us 
> for 
> > years........
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From NT788 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 12:07:36 2008
From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:07:36 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] FW:  Entry for sale
Message-ID: <081220081807.28991.48A1D168000080950000713F2215553894C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>

-------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
From: NT788 at comcast.net

> Entry for sale Call 831 588 4007  or fredfrick at gmail.com
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: NT788 at comcast.net

From saltfever at comcast.net  Wed Aug 13 16:43:18 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:43:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Room Available
Message-ID: <000a01c8fd95$fbd16e20$6401a8c0@dim8100>

My apologies for the late notice but a relative just bailed on me for SW.  I
will be releasing one room at the Wendover Nugget (the old Stateline).  It
is non-smoking, 2 queen beds. Check-in is Monday 8/18 for all week.  I think
Monday night is $129 and $89/day after that.



I will release it only to a Car owner. I will confirm your car number and
entry with JoAnne. Since contact with JoAnne may take a few hours (she is in
Wendover now) I will take 3 names and call you back with my room
confirmation number ASAP. If no owner contact by 6:00 pm pacific time on
Thursday; I will release to anyone on this list.  Pm your phone number.
-Elon

From salt at pollybutte.net  Wed Aug 13 16:40:52 2008
From: salt at pollybutte.net (Wendy Jeffries)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:40:52 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Wireless hot spot in Wendover?
Message-ID: <000801c8fd95$a687c810$6401a8c0@wendy585d42381>

Does anyone know where a 'hot spot' is in Wendover?   I'm talking COMPUTERS
not bars.

Wendy Jeffries, Editor
Bonneville Racing News

From rbuck at xmission.com  Wed Aug 13 16:50:49 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:50:49 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Wireless hot spot in Wendover?
In-Reply-To: <000801c8fd95$a687c810$6401a8c0@wendy585d42381>
References: <000801c8fd95$a687c810$6401a8c0@wendy585d42381>
Message-ID: <E1KTPBS-0002Dv-5F@mgr1.xmission.com>

Jim Halliday tells me that there's one in West Wendover at the welcome center.

RtR


At 04:40 PM 8/13/2008, Wendy Jeffries wrote:
>Does anyone know where a 'hot spot' is in Wendover?   I'm talking COMPUTERS
>not bars.
>
>Wendy Jeffries, Editor
>Bonneville Racing News
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From saltfever at comcast.net  Wed Aug 13 18:48:45 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:48:45 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Room Available
Message-ID: <001001c8fda7$82353530$6401a8c0@dim8100>

The room is for any racer. I don't care if you have 1,2,3, or 4 wheels.  Pm
you phone number. I get the digest format so may not see a LSR List posting
in a timely manner.  -Elon

From dlodom at charter.net  Wed Aug 13 22:37:10 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:37:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] AQUALARM :: OnLine Store
Message-ID: <48A3B676.1080009@charter.net>

Neil, Here is the fire alarm sensor I found for the liner. Works on 12 
volts. Tim has 2 of them in the Rasberry Rocket lakester.
Doug Odom in big ditch
https://www.aqualarm.net/store/comersus_listItems.asp?idCategory=58

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Wed Aug 13 23:42:50 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:42:50 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Your Milage MAY vary!!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <081220081758.2200.48A1CF5D000D8209000008982215553894C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20080814014250.JAVKE.235190.imail@fed1rmwml35>

Jack---I would be wiiling to bet ---the politicians have more to do with the Price than the WAR!!!!!!!!!!!

From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Aug 14 09:09:59 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:09:59 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 200 mph dinner?
Message-ID: <48A44AC7.7060602@charter.net>

Anyone know what night the 200 mph diner will be?     Doug Odom in big ditch

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 14 10:09:04 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:09:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] 200 mph dinner?
Message-ID: <137090.1218730144976.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

There website maybe a place to start..............20th
>
>Anyone know what night the 200 mph diner will be?     Doug Odom in big ditch

From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Aug 14 10:35:51 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:35:51 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Room Available (not)
Message-ID: <000401c8fe2b$d0ea8b60$6501a8c0@dim8100>

My spare room is now gone. It went to a crew member and friend of Jim Price.

   -Elon

From karhu at california.com  Thu Aug 14 10:39:07 2008
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:39:07 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] De-salting revisited
Message-ID: <1C2C7D7549F94E94A1369C53DB58253D@BennsDesktop>

OK, so I spoke this morning by phone with Tracy, wife of owner Kevin (?) of
the coin-operated carwash in West Wendover.  She said that they do NOT recycle
any water; it is all fresh.  If so, there should be no problem using that
approach to removing salt.

However, there is a better partial solution:  leaving most of the salt ON the
salt.  Again, according to Tracy, Kevin will be offering a pressure washer
with fresh water at the end of the road to get the bulk of the salt off the
vehicles before they leave the salt.  As some of you recall (and some with
more than a little irritation), I'd wondered aloud if we had a significant
impact on removing salt just by driving our vehicles on and off the salt.
This is a great way to minimize our impact on the flats.  I know I'll be
availing myself of the service.

Benn

see y'all Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!

From ed at vetteracing.com  Thu Aug 14 12:29:53 2008
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:29:53 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] De-salting revisited
Message-ID: <W385205526168121218738593@webmail15>

Good idea Benn, did she happen to mention what they charge?
Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: Benn [mailto:karhu at california.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 09:39 AM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] De-salting revisited

OK, so I spoke this morning by phone with Tracy, wife of owner Kevin (?) ofthe
coin-operated carwash in West Wendover. She said that they do NOT recycleany
water; it is all fresh. If so, there should be no problem using thatapproach
to removing salt.However, there is a better partial solution: leaving most of
the salt ON thesalt. Again, according to Tracy, Kevin will be offering a
pressure washerwith fresh water at the end of the road to get the bulk of the
salt off thevehicles before they leave the salt. As some of you recall (and
some withmore than a little irritation), I'd wondered aloud if we had a
significantimpact on removing salt just by driving our vehicles on and off the
salt.This is a great way to minimize our impact on the flats. I know I'll
beavailing myself of the service.Bennsee y'all Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Thu Aug 14 12:39:52 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:39:52 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] De-salting revisited
In-Reply-To: <W385205526168121218738593@webmail15>
References: <W385205526168121218738593@webmail15>
Message-ID: <415EB4FF70CF4F7FA1F88DA5E72C87AB@DaveSatellite>

being a guy that uses rental cars out there if there was shuttle that was 
every couple of hours I would be a player..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>
To: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] De-salting revisited


> Good idea Benn, did she happen to mention what they charge?
> Ed

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Aug 14 13:35:29 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:35:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] De-salting revisited
References: <W385205526168121218738593@webmail15>
	<415EB4FF70CF4F7FA1F88DA5E72C87AB@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <000c01c8fe44$ebe8c170$6501a8c0@S>

Interesting idea, Dave........
With a bit of advertising help from BNI and other "connected" folks an
entrepreneurial person might be able to make a few bucks out of a project
like that.  A big SUV or van with a bike rack would likely do at first.  Run
from the pit entrance to the Bend with stops at pre-stage and Road's end.
IMHO a fare of $1.00 for each step (total $8.00 round trip) would be a good
deal.  Operational cost (gas) might be about a break-even with only one
passenger.  It gets profitable with two or more.  Of course that doesn't
figure depreciation and other costs like insurance.  The latter could be an
expensive problem since most insurance policies we have don't cover carrying
passengers for hire.  And the state of Utah or the county might have some
laws that would get in the way (although they may not apply off road like on
the Salt)
Just a thought.....Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren at snet.net>
To: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>; "Benn" <karhu at california.com>;
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] De-salting revisited
> being a guy that uses rental cars out there if there was shuttle that was
> every couple of hours I would be a player..
> Dave

From karhu at california.com  Thu Aug 14 14:26:39 2008
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:26:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] De-salting revisited
References: <W385205526168121218738593@webmail15>
Message-ID: <94619B0ED0AC4A2CAB563E0E74F53E45@BennsDesktop>

"nominal"
Yeah, your guess is as good as mine.
Benn
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ed Van Scoy
  To: Benn ; land-speed at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [Land-speed] De-salting revisited


  Good idea Benn, did she happen to mention what they charge?
  Ed


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Benn [mailto:karhu at california.com]
    Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 09:39 AM
    To: land-speed at autox.team.net
    Subject: [Land-speed] De-salting revisited

    OK, so I spoke this morning by phone with Tracy, wife of owner Kevin (?)
of the coin-operated carwash in West Wendover. She said that they do NOT
recycle any water; it is all fresh. If so, there should be no problem using
that approach to removing salt. However, there is a better partial solution:
leaving most of the salt ON the salt. Again, according to Tracy, Kevin will be
offering a pressure washer with fresh water at the end of the road to get the
bulk of the salt off the vehicles before they leave the salt. As some of you
recall (and some with more than a little irritation), I'd wondered aloud if we
had a significant impact on removing salt just by driving our vehicles on and
off the salt. This is a great way to minimize our impact on the flats. I know
I'll be availing myself of the service. Benn see y'all Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Thu Aug 14 16:20:11 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:20:11 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville is a no-go. Just cance;
 ed a room at Motel-8    Phone  1-775-664-2888
Message-ID: <48A4AF9B.3070509@wildblue.net>

My body wouldn't produce power yesterday. At least the 7hrs in the ER was at
a local place, where they treat you like a friend. I see my Dr. tomorrow and
he better have some good answers.
I'm a bit upset!
Not going to Bonneville was not in my plans, dammit!

Old Person

From rbuck at xmission.com  Thu Aug 14 16:33:00 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:33:00 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville is a no-go. Just cancelled a room at
 Motel-8 Phone 1-775-664-2888
In-Reply-To: <48A4AF9B.3070509@wildblue.net>
References: <48A4AF9B.3070509@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <E1KTlNg-0005qW-61@mgr1.xmission.com>

Man!  That's a real bummer.  Happened to me in 05...after SW but as I 
was getting ready to run a car at WoS.  Ended up with a quad 
bypass.  Didn't turn out real well.  Hope your issues are 
better.  Prayers on their way.

RtR


At 04:20 PM 8/14/2008, Bryan Savage wrote:
>My body wouldn't produce power yesterday. At least the 7hrs in the ER was at
>a local place, where they treat you like a friend. I see my Dr. tomorrow and
>he better have some good answers.
>I'm a bit upset!
>Not going to Bonneville was not in my plans, dammit!
>
>Old Person

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 14 17:00:22 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:00:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville is a no-go. Just cance;
 ed a room  at Motel-8    Phone  1-775-664-2888
In-Reply-To: <48A4AF9B.3070509@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <794152.92872.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry to hear of your set-back.  Yeah, this getting old crap is not all that
it's cracked up to be.  I'd gladly swap some of this supposed "wisdom" for a
little "youth" and the ability to get up and down from under my car without
hearing cracks and sqweaks from my back. legs, and elbows!
 
DickJ
In east Texas

--- On Thu, 8/14/08, Bryan Savage <b.a.savage at wildblue.net> wrote:

From: Bryan Savage <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville is a no-go. Just cance; ed a room at Motel-8
Phone 1-775-664-2888
To: "List Land Speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 5:20 PM

My body wouldn't produce power yesterday. At least the 7hrs in the ER was at
a local place, where they treat you like a friend. I see my Dr. tomorrow and
he better have some good answers.
I'm a bit upset!
Not going to Bonneville was not in my plans, dammit!

Old Person
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Thu Aug 14 17:03:18 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:03:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville is a no-go. Just cancelled a room at
 Motel-8 Phone 1-775-664-2888
In-Reply-To: <E1KTlNg-0005qW-61@mgr1.xmission.com>
References: <48A4AF9B.3070509@wildblue.net>
	<E1KTlNg-0005qW-61@mgr1.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <48A4B9B6.2040807@wildblue.net>

Thanks Ray.
I appreciate your help,
Bryan

Ray Buck wrote:
> Man!  That's a real bummer.  Happened to me in 05...after SW but as I 
> was getting ready to run a car at WoS.  Ended up with a quad bypass.  
> Didn't turn out real well.  Hope your issues are better.  Prayers on 
> their way.
>
> RtR
>
>
> At 04:20 PM 8/14/2008, Bryan Savage wrote:
>> My body wouldn't produce power yesterday. At least the 7hrs in the ER 
>> was at
>> a local place, where they treat you like a friend. I see my Dr. 
>> tomorrow and
>> he better have some good answers.
>> I'm a bit upset!
>> Not going to Bonneville was not in my plans, dammit!
>>
>> Old Person

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Thu Aug 14 17:07:30 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:07:30 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville is a no-go. Just cance;
 ed a room  at Motel-8    Phone  1-775-664-2888
In-Reply-To: <794152.92872.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <794152.92872.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48A4BAB2.6040406@wildblue.net>

You've been reading my mail Dick!
My feelings exactly.
Now get out there and have fun, then go fast.

Thanks for your help,
Bryan


 

Dick J wrote:
> Sorry to hear of your set-back.  Yeah, this getting old crap is not 
> all that it's cracked up to be.  I'd gladly swap some of this supposed 
> "wisdom" for a little "youth" and the ability to get up and down from 
> under my car without hearing cracks and sqweaks from my back. legs, 
> and elbows!
>  
> DickJ
> In east Texas

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Thu Aug 14 20:29:44 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:29:44 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] 200 mph dinner?
Message-ID: <52218.1218767384@nancyandjon.org>

On Thu Aug 14 10:09 , DougOdom  sent:

>Anyone know what night the 200 mph diner will be?     Doug Odom in big ditch
>__


Usually it's Wedneasday evening, and I haven't heard anything to say different
for this year.  But I haven't heard any
confirmation, either, so if I do find out -- I'll post it here.  There's a
city/racer picnic-appreciation dinner being held Thursday
evening at the Wendover Community Center (on Aria Street, south/east of
Wendover Blvd, on the road leading to the airport).
It's a cooperative effort of the Wendover City Commission and the SCTA/BNI
folks -- the regular volunteer appreciation dinner
has been combined with this one, so there'll be a big bang-up picnic for both
city and racers.  I've heard talk about some dinner
thing on Tuesday -- don't know what that is.  Sunday the 17th (inspection day
evening) is when we're holding Salt Talks.

In the meantime, the buffets at the casinos are still there.  The Salt Flats
Cafe (mexican food at the truckstop) has a new menu
-- prices might be a bit higher than before, but it's probably still THE
bargain.

From jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org  Thu Aug 14 20:30:15 2008
From: jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org (jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:30:15 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] 200 mph dinner?
Message-ID: <52219.1218767415@nancyandjon.org>

On Thu Aug 14 10:09 , DougOdom  sent:

>Anyone know what night the 200 mph diner will be?     Doug Odom in big ditch
>__


Usually it's Wedneasday evening, and I haven't heard anything to say different
for this year.  But I haven't heard any
confirmation, either, so if I do find out -- I'll post it here.  There's a
city/racer picnic-appreciation dinner being held Thursday
evening at the Wendover Community Center (on Aria Street, south/east of
Wendover Blvd, on the road leading to the airport).
It's a cooperative effort of the Wendover City Commission and the SCTA/BNI
folks -- the regular volunteer appreciation dinner
has been combined with this one, so there'll be a big bang-up picnic for both
city and racers.  I've heard talk about some dinner
thing on Tuesday -- don't know what that is.  Sunday the 17th (inspection day
evening) is when we're holding Salt Talks.

In the meantime, the buffets at the casinos are still there.  The Salt Flats
Cafe (mexican food at the truckstop) has a new menu
-- prices might be a bit higher than before, but it's probably still THE
bargain.

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 14 20:43:31 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:43:31 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville is a no-go. Just canceLed a room at
 Motel-8 Phone 1-775-664-2888
In-Reply-To: <48A4AF9B.3070509@wildblue.net>
References: <48A4AF9B.3070509@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W3059DEC4B9A43F7E35C848D96D0@phx.gbl>

     aW SCHIETT           THAT'S BUM NEWS BRYAN.

 GET BETTER - FASTER-     An LSR KINDA GUY CAN DO THAT YOU KNOW !




c heers to ya , ' Dirt Track Doug '




-20 miles from Square Deal Raceway,

        -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway,

        -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway

       -105 miles south of  ' The Syracuse
Mile ' ...

       -241.4 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway

       -2247 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt
Flats


but never more than a few feet from a cold one

     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------

> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008    From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net To:
land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville is a no-go. Just cance; ed a room at
Motel-8    Phone  1-775-664-2888
>
> My body wouldn't produce power yesterday. At least the 7hrs in the ER was at
a local place, where they treat you like a friend. I see my Dr. tomorrow and
he better have some good answers. I'm a bit upset!

 Not going to Bonneville was not in my plans, dammit!
>
> Old Person

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From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Aug 14 21:48:55 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:48:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] De-salting revisited
Message-ID: <000a01c8fe89$d75ab5c0$6501a8c0@dim8100>

Very interesting, Dave.  I went to the NHRA Nationals two weeks ago at Sears
Point. For a Friday I think they had about 20,000 in attendance. They had
FREE shuttles going round-robin to all the parking lots all day long until
it closed around 11:00pm. Racing finished around 9:30 pm. I talked to a
couple of drivers and they were all volunteers at Sears Point. I'm sure NHRA
pays the track for the service and it is factored into the tickets. It is
also about the only solution for their parking problem so it may be
legislated by some local authority. Regardless, it was a very nice
convenience for the spectators. They had bus stops all over and only about a
15 minute wait at any time. Sometimes two busses arrived together if there
was a large group to pick up. It was a potpourri of vehicles. Very small,
van-like school busses. Mid size school busses, some stuff like you see on a
military base, etc.

 -Elon



From: "Dave Dahlgren"

being a guy that uses rental cars out there if there was shuttle that was

every couple of hours I would be a player

From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Aug 14 21:50:32 2008
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:50:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] De-salting revisited
Message-ID: <000f01c8fe8a$1148ba20$6501a8c0@dim8100>

So I wonder what it would cost to run a round-robin shuttle from the pits to
town all day long. 2 stops in the pits, one at the line, one at the bend,
others ad hoc (airport?). Assume 3 busses (one every 20 minutes) for 8
hours, making a 30 mile loop to town and back. About 240 miles each day at 8
miles per gallon. $5.00 diesel is about $150/day in fuel x 3 busses = $450 x
5 days $2,250. That is about 4 entry fees. Double that amount for vehicle
leasing and for $5K you have carried a ton of people all week long. I think
for the tremendous convenience, salt preservation, vehicle preservation, BLM
brownie points; it is an interesting idea. It could be a 3 way subsidy
(Hotels, BNI, and user). If the buses got a quick shot to knock off the salt
the hotels might be very interested.

  -Elon



From: "Dave Dahlgren"

being a guy that uses rental cars out there if there was shuttle that was

every couple of hours I would be a player

From td at twinjugs.com  Thu Aug 14 22:10:48 2008
From: td at twinjugs.com (Todd)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:10:48 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville is a no-go. Just cance;
 ed a room  at Motel-8    Phone  1-775-664-2888
In-Reply-To: <48A4AF9B.3070509@wildblue.net>
References: <48A4AF9B.3070509@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <20080815034355.M99811@twinjugs.com>

Bryan, Bonneville has and will be there... you get yourself better so the 
showing you make next time out is all it should be. I'm glad whatever got you 
down, left you well enough to tell us about it.

Deb and I were packing the truck and trailer to come out to our first Speed 
Week in 2003 and run. I had a serious body shut down, loss of breath, etc. 
and by the time they got me stable and painfrree in the ER we found out it 
was a heart attack. I got nitro pumped in me via pills, patch, intrevaneously 
and then got my lines roto rooted all before the day was out. Made me feel 
the best I had felt in a very along time.... and then it was reccomended that 
I should voluntarily get bypass surgey. I thought "voluntarily get my chest 
cracked open... yeah right, forget that"! 

Well thru some odd circumstances (and my health felt perfectly fine at the 
time)... I opted to get that surgery two years later (while I was in the 
shape to better deal with the healing). All I can say is it is the second 
best decision I've ever made in my life... the first was getting hitched to 
the one that helped push me into that decision.

Now because of all that, I will finally be seeing my first time on the salt 
in a couple days! 

Hope all works out well tommorow and your doc tells you what your body needs 
(may not be what your mind wants to hear, but hey - it's all about running on 
the "long" course!). 

The salt will wait for you, this I know.
Todd    

 
> My body wouldn't produce power yesterday. At least the 7hrs in the ER was at
> a local place, where they treat you like a friend. I see my Dr. tomorrow and
> he better have some good answers.
> I'm a bit upset!
> Not going to Bonneville was not in my plans, dammit!
> 
> Old Person

From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Aug 14 22:50:23 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:50:23 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 200 mph dinner?
References: <52219.1218767415@nancyandjon.org>
Message-ID: <00b801c8fe92$77890d50$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

My thinking was we will start racing 2 days later this year. There will only 
be 2 days for new members to qualify for the club instead of 4 days.
Doug Odom in big ditch

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jonwennerberg at nancyandjon.org>
To: "LandSpeed List" <Land-speed at autox.team.net>; "DougOdom" 
<dlodom at charter.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 200 mph dinner?




On Thu Aug 14 10:09 , DougOdom  sent:

>Anyone know what night the 200 mph diner will be?     Doug Odom in big 
>ditch
>__


Usually it's Wedneasday evening, and I haven't heard anything to say 
different for this year.  But I haven't heard any
confirmation, either, so if I do find out -- I'll post it here.  There's a 
city/racer picnic-appreciation dinner being held Thursday
evening at the Wendover Community Center (on Aria Street, south/east of 
Wendover Blvd, on the road leading to the airport).
It's a cooperative effort of the Wendover City Commission and the SCTA/BNI 
folks -- the regular volunteer appreciation dinner
has been combined with this one, so there'll be a big bang-up picnic for 
both city and racers.  I've heard talk about some dinner
thing on Tuesday -- don't know what that is.  Sunday the 17th (inspection 
day evening) is when we're holding Salt Talks.

In the meantime, the buffets at the casinos are still there.  The Salt Flats 
Cafe (mexican food at the truckstop) has a new menu
-- prices might be a bit higher than before, but it's probably still THE 
bargain.

From adin at frontier.net  Fri Aug 15 08:10:07 2008
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:10:07 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville is a no-go. Just cance;
 ed a room  at Motel-8    Phone  1-775-664-2888
References: <48A4AF9B.3070509@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <00a101c8fee0$9f6fc1d0$6501a8c0@ZTxp>

Be a good patient, educated yourself and come back faster than ever.

best,

David in Durango
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
To: "List Land Speed" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:20 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Bonneville is a no-go. Just cance; ed a room at 
Motel-8 Phone 1-775-664-2888


> My body wouldn't produce power yesterday. At least the 7hrs in the ER was 
> at
> a local place, where they treat you like a friend. I see my Dr. tomorrow 
> and
> he better have some good answers.
> I'm a bit upset!
> Not going to Bonneville was not in my plans, dammit!
>
> Old Person
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Aug 16 18:10:05 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:10:05 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Headed out in the morning...
Message-ID: <48A76C5D.2070103@mayfco.com>

Well, folk, the wife and I will be headed out bright and early (yeah, 
right) at approximaely 4 am headed to the great white salt dyno. I  hope 
we have everything, and evertyhing is ready to go.  We will not monitor 
the drmayf at mayfco.com email but will check my yahoo account daily, 
hopefully...that is   drmayf at yahoo.com    should any of you feel the 
need to get in touch with me.

mayf

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 19 05:59:15 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:59:15 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] If you or a loved one is over 50 ...
Message-ID: <0329F6A0-6C92-4939-8644-7288B996B58F@comcast.net>

This experience is for you!  We have lost too many great people who  
didn't do this, Don Vesco immediately comes to mind.

http://www.comics.com/wash/opus/index.html

Actually the stuff they use to put you out while this is going on  
doesn't let you remember a thing.  You too could enjoy a happy moment  
like this cartoon . . . and save your life in the process.

Wes

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 19 06:58:54 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:58:54 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Salt clips. 1
Message-ID: <11FE4EA4-DA3E-4603-BF4B-AB66B64753B0@comcast.net>

Set up day on Sunday was a hurry up and wait situation for the  
inspection area.  The lines were LONG but they moved cars through at a  
nice pace.  There were four or five lanes with swarming inspectors for  
cars that had been there before and one or two for new cars.  These  
were fed by two long lanes of waiting cars, vans, trucks, trailers,  
with a rainbow of race cars in between.  As warm as it was, the  
temperature wasn't a killer.  The sheer volume of entrants was a  
greater problem but handled smoothly as much as I could tell.  The  
smattering of chatter I heard was mostly about those with new cars who  
had ignored parts of the build rules and refused to accept rejection  
for unsafe areas.  Log books were to be ready with all the proper  
papers in place before you advanced the 60 yards to a slot for  
inspection.

Seth Hammond's new lakester was the talk of the day.  Longer, smooth,  
subdued Chip Foose designed paint job, the canopy is attached the same  
way it was on the old lakester but that is about the only visual carry  
over,  The car is impressive.  You can tell that Seth has been  
thinking and brought his ideas to the construction because everything  
came together so well.  His first run in the car got them onto the  
long course for the rest of the week.

Rick Vesco had the Turbinator on display but they ran the 444 car, now  
in it's 51st year of racing on the salt.  Running a Chev engine.  It  
sounded strong yesterday on the course and Rick was pleased.

Burkland"s 411 will run this week but yesterday it was just on the  
carrier.  Tom was crewing for Rex Svoboda who had a good first run in  
his new Saabstory comp coupe.  He caused a bit of excitement when he  
backed out at the end of the run and the car fishtailed violently at  
speed.  Rex is getting used to a new drive train on the front engined  
car and didn't dis-engage a portion in his shut down sequence.  Driver  
error this time but I'll bet he won't forget again.  The chopped Saab  
99 body and extended front, the front wheel drive layout really allows  
lots of room to reach things.  Rex did a nice job on the car and you  
can tell he talked to Tom a lot.

Sparky arrived after noon yesterday after losing two tires on the  
trailer getting to the salt.  We accused him of sleeping in on Sunday  
morning.  He cleared inspection late yesterday and returned to his pit  
next to Skip and mayf on the far north end of the long, long pits.

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 19 06:59:30 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:59:30 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Salt clips 2
Message-ID: <DC3FFFD8-C9F7-4676-BDD2-E4DAE19311C4@comcast.net>

Mooneyes had a modified roadster on the salt, painted in tribute  
colors and design to Fred Larsen and his 115 liner.  MaryLou Larsen  
came up to see it run and she was happy to be back on the salt.  Sweet  
lady!

Nish's lined made the fastest run of the day, 374 or so If I remember  
correctly.  It sounded healthy, no reported problems and I'm sure they  
will just prime for the private FIA, FIM meet next month.

Doug Odom had a fire on his streamliner run, an oil line too close to  
a header.  They'll get that fixed.

The "spirit of rhett" liner, the former Nafzger car made a smooth take  
off run.  Check the results for the time

Glenn had problems with the CB radio for reporting times.  Someone sat  
on a mike, they switched channels but experienced other problems too.   
They switched to another radio and that helped but the bugs are not  
out of the system yet.

The third "special" course is around the dike from the othere two  
courses and the only way you knew there were runs on it was from CB  
time reports.

Overall, waits didn't appear to be as long as last year.  There was  
more policing of things as cars approached the starting line and less  
at the other end of the access lines from what I saw.  The starting  
area is less than a mile from the end of the access road.  The salt is  
dry.  There's not much on cars that stayed on the areas that have been  
used but chase vehicles were still salted up.  A spin took out the  
lights and mile marker at the 2, blown engines left parts behind to  
require course sweeps but they were accomplished in reasonable time  
from what I say.

Salt Talks was well attended and a few folks really cleaned up at the  
prize drawing.  There's photos up at landracing.com of the event.

It seemed like there were at least triple the number of canpers at the  
"Bend in the Road" on both sides of the road and folks were so tired  
the 10:30 fireworks didn't even cause too much angst from comments I  
overheard.

Sunday evening at the Nugget was wild.  There must have been over 80  
rods and 50's style custom cars there.  Hundreds of spectators  
enjoying the display.  I heard the casino folks weren't too happy that  
the action was outside, not inside.

Wes

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 19 07:33:56 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:33:56 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Salt clips 3
Message-ID: <286CF7B8-E855-478E-BF97-A404B6E04E2F@comcast.net>

Visited with Chris Harris amid a gaggle of Kiwis and friends.

George Poteet is running/driving the Blowfish again this year.  Single  
turbo Dodge V8 in it now.  Busy pit after the run.  Troy and Jack  
Trepanier seemed to have their act together.  There's a good video I  
bought for $20 showing the first years events in running the car.  You  
can buy it on their web site:  http://www.radrides.com/home.php

His run in the Poteet-Main liner sounded good.  Sure doesn't run/sound  
like a 4 cylinder.

The "Camp Cameltoe" pits were busy

Mike Cooks' pit had it's own princess.  Granddaughter Rachel, age 3,  
had her own car and wading pool.  Some visitors would have gladly  
joined her in the pool.

Richard Thomason is pit crew this year while Ed Tradup drives.  Both  
the lakester and Bryan's lakester looked and sounded strong leaving  
the line.

Some cars made two or more runs on Monday.

The pits appear crowded at the south end but by the time you reach the  
Hammond's pits and the Ohio State liner pits on the far north west  
corned you have LOTS of open salt.  The pits must be a mile long.

Red Flame grille was busy but they have an expanded menu this year  
with salads and specialty items to supplement the usual burgers,  
chicken and steak sandwiches.

Mexican food at the Salt Flats Grille is reliably as good, plentiful  
and tasty as ever.

Utah Highway Patrol and Tooele County Sheriff were parked along the  
access road last night backing up the 45 mph speed limit.

Again, there's not much salt on spectator cars compared to previous  
years.  The BLM/Save the Salt/Intrepid fill in at the end of the  
access road is great!  You can get on and off the salt flats without  
getting your tires wet.

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 19 10:09:38 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:09:38 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: check this!
References: <FFE13965-E681-4E78-9A77-1E914CCCD29E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D0F82232-9DD0-4F4D-8ED4-3C508AA91770@comcast.net>

Salt talks and the Nugget parking lot Sunday might.

> Check out:  http://www.shutterfly.com/lightbox/view.sfly?fid=05024243835e5a379a16dcf07a6807f9

Wes

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 11:41:42 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:41:42 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: check this!
In-Reply-To: <D0F82232-9DD0-4F4D-8ED4-3C508AA91770@comcast.net>
References: <FFE13965-E681-4E78-9A77-1E914CCCD29E@comcast.net>
	<D0F82232-9DD0-4F4D-8ED4-3C508AA91770@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W2546F1F89003D72EF41527D9690@phx.gbl>

WES:   afraid this link won't 'let you in' to see anything...   wrong link
perhaps ?         thanks,............

      BTW:   ANYONE with 'fotos to share'   -from Speedweek '08 ,

                     - please send them on to me....       thanks folks. -




c heers, ' Dirt Track Doug '




-20 miles from Square Deal Raceway,

        -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway,

        -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway

       -105 miles south of  ' The Syracuse
Mile ' ...

       -241.4 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway

       -2247 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt
Flats


but never more than a few feet from a cold one

              -------------------------------------------------


> From: wester6935 at comcast.net
> To: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:09:38 -0600
> Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: check this!
>
> Salt talks and the Nugget parking lot Sunday might.
>
> > Check out:
http://www.shutterfly.com/lightbox/view.sfly?fid=05024243835e5a379a16dcf07a68
07f9
>
> Wes


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From karlepayne55 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 13:10:23 2008
From: karlepayne55 at yahoo.com (Karl Payne)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:10:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] fuel and such
In-Reply-To: <080120080750.23437.4892C02E000019E600005B8D2216525806C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <798836.55607.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My brother manages a farm here in the Phoenix area and he told me last night
that he just tore out 12,000  *TWELVE THOUSAND* orange trees because the price
is so low there is absolutely no way he can make any money on them.  On the
other hand, lemons are going for a buck apiece in the grocery store, so he is
now planting 12,000 lemon trees in place of the oranges.  It will take a few
years before they start bearing fruit, but at least he is not watering
worthless orange trees in the meantime.


--- On Fri, 8/1/08, NT788 at comcast.net <NT788 at comcast.net> wrote:

From: NT788 at comcast.net <NT788 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] fuel and such
To: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>, "landspeed at autox.team.net"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 12:50 AM

Oranges from ex american farmers who were taxed out of the US.  Jack
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
> Yesterday I went to the store and bought some oranges. We grow plenty of
> oranges in California. These looked good and taste good. I just looked at
the
> little label on them and they came from Australia. That's a pretty
long haul
> for an Orange. I guess they came in a refrigerated container. Still must
have
> burned a fair amount of fuel to get here and still sell cheap. RF
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Wed Aug 20 21:08:18 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:08:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] fuel and such
In-Reply-To: <798836.55607.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <798836.55607.qm@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48ACDC22.6070103@wildblue.net>

The freight ships are paying 2005 or 6 prices for their Bunker-C Fuel Oil.
That's caused by companies buying two or more year Fuel Future Contracts.
The local power company has used the last of the natural gas they purchased
three years ago. They have just asked for a 4.5% rate hike.
It will be two more years before they start using gas they bought today. 
That's
one reason the railroads are making good money today.
Utilities always buy this way, as far as I know.
It's interesting how this is working out. Wait until they all start 
burning fuel
they bought today, in two or three years.

Bryan

Note: Back in July, T. Boon Pickens said that the price of oil, then at 
about $135,
had a speculation bubble of about $20.00. Some armatures in the media were
saying it was $50 to $80.
That's why I ignore what anyone, who isn't an experienced oil man, says 
about
the subject. I have some money invested in a well known company and their
Chief Economist usually gets his oil predictions wrong.
He's real pissed at me, I told him he was listening to the wrong people. 
:-)

I'll go away now......

>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
>   
Yesterday I went to the store and bought some oranges. We grow 
plenty of oranges in California. These looked good and taste good. 
I just looked at the little label on them and they came from Australia. 
That's a pretty long haul for an Orange. I guess they came in a 
refrigerated container. Still must have burned a fair amount of 
fuel to get here and still sell cheap. RF

From v4gr at rcn.com  Thu Aug 21 07:47:18 2008
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:47:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport
Message-ID: <000801c90394$6e39ba90$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

It would appear that Doug Odom's 'liner crashed at speed at the 5. Any news?
All OK? I know Doug builds a good car.

From v4gr at rcn.com  Thu Aug 21 09:44:44 2008
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:44:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Pops Motorsport
Message-ID: <000b01c903a4$d60fcf50$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ellen Wilkinson" <gary_ellen at msn.com>
To: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport


> http://www.abc4.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=F5E33A10-8425-4706-8C57-3CD77B0ECD61&gsa=true
>
> Rich, here is a link to the live news report from last night.  It sounded 
> like Gail walked away and refused medical treatment.
> Gary & Ellen Wilkinson
> Utah Salt Flats Racing Association
> World of Speed Sept. 17 - 20, 2008
> www.saltflats.com -See you on the Salt!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
> To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 7:47 AM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport
>
>
>> It would appear that Doug Odom's 'liner crashed at speed at the 5. Any 
>> news?
>> All OK? I know Doug builds a good car.
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From dlodom at charter.net  Fri Aug 22 09:28:47 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:28:47 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport
References: <000801c90394$6e39ba90$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <002001c9046b$c60a37e0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Rich, Everyone is in fine shape. Not even any sore spots.
 I drove the liner on a easy shake down run Monday to 236mph and everything 
handled good. We did ruin a oil line because it was to close to the header 
pipe. Made some new lines and heat shield Tues.  Gail wanted to drive so I 
told her if anything didn't feel right to just pull off and keep it under 
6000 rpm.   She went 240 and everything was going good. She got the high 
speed chute out and was slowing down. When she hit the low speed chute it 
kited and lifted the rear of the car. I have not had a chance to see the 
videos so this is just observation from a couple of people. The car is 
unhurt from the bulkhead behind the front tires to the bulkhead behind the 
rear tires and all the safety restrains worked just like the are supposed 
to. I should more when I see the videos. We are home now and I will try and 
send a picture later.
Doug Odom in big ditch

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:47 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport


> It would appear that Doug Odom's 'liner crashed at speed at the 5. Any 
> news?
> All OK? I know Doug builds a good car.
> _______________________________________________

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 22 10:31:16 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:31:16 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport
In-Reply-To: <002001c9046b$c60a37e0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <000801c90394$6e39ba90$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<002001c9046b$c60a37e0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W482A42D1A9658E6C618D5CD96A0@phx.gbl>

GREAT NEWS Doug.     You DO build a good car sir,...




c heers to, ' Dirt Track Doug '




-20 miles from Square Deal Raceway,

        -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway,

        -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway

       -105 miles south of  ' The Syracuse
Mile ' ...

       -240.4 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway

       -2247 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt
Flats


but never more than a few feet from a cold one

              -------------------------------------------------



Speedway Bikes, Minibikes  and Harley- D's rode with equal joy,

            Dog Training,
Murdersickle Parts,  Emergency Airship repair,


Hot Air,  Hot Blues, Cold Beer,  Fast Cars,  an' Warm Willin'
Wimin'


Aerial Surveillance,  Corrupt Politicians exposed,  Midgets,
Sprint Cars,





-and 'Slide Jobs'  truly appreciated  for the  FINE ART
that they are

                   -------------------------- oooo
---------------------------


> From: dlodom at charter.net
> To: v4gr at rcn.com; land-speed at autox.team.net
> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:28:47 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport
>
> Rich, Everyone is in fine shape. Not even any sore spots.
>  I drove the liner on a easy shake down run Monday to 236mph and everything
> handled good. We did ruin a oil line because it was to close to the header
> pipe. Made some new lines and heat shield Tues.  Gail wanted to drive so I
> told her if anything didn't feel right to just pull off and keep it under
> 6000 rpm.   She went 240 and everything was going good. She got the high
> speed chute out and was slowing down. When she hit the low speed chute it
> kited and lifted the rear of the car. I have not had a chance to see the
> videos so this is just observation from a couple of people. The car is
> unhurt from the bulkhead behind the front tires to the bulkhead behind the
> rear tires and all the safety restrains worked just like the are supposed
> to. I should more when I see the videos. We are home now and I will try and
> send a picture later.

                                Doug Odom in big ditch
>



> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
> To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:47 AM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport

   It would appear that Doug Odom's 'liner crashed at speed at the 5. Any
news?

      All OK?      I know Doug builds a good car.


_________________________________________________________________
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From v4gr at rcn.com  Fri Aug 22 13:29:29 2008
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:29:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport
References: <000801c90394$6e39ba90$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<002001c9046b$c60a37e0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <000601c9048d$65e69580$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Doug. Thanks for the update. Good to hear everything,save the chute, worked 
as planned. Must have been pretty scary to see.  RF
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
To: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>; "landspeed at autox.team.net" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport


> Rich, Everyone is in fine shape. Not even any sore spots.
> I drove the liner on a easy shake down run Monday to 236mph and everything 
> handled good. We did ruin a oil line because it was to close to the header 
> pipe. Made some new lines and heat shield Tues.  Gail wanted to drive so I 
> told her if anything didn't feel right to just pull off and keep it under 
> 6000 rpm.   She went 240 and everything was going good. She got the high 
> speed chute out and was slowing down. When she hit the low speed chute it 
> kited and lifted the rear of the car. I have not had a chance to see the 
> videos so this is just observation from a couple of people. The car is 
> unhurt from the bulkhead behind the front tires to the bulkhead behind the 
> rear tires and all the safety restrains worked just like the are supposed 
> to. I should more when I see the videos. We are home now and I will try 
> and send a picture later.
> Doug Odom in big ditch
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
> To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:47 AM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport
>
>
>> It would appear that Doug Odom's 'liner crashed at speed at the 5. Any 
>> news?
>> All OK? I know Doug builds a good car.
>> _______________________________________________

From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri Aug 22 15:56:39 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:56:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport
In-Reply-To: <002001c9046b$c60a37e0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
References: <000801c90394$6e39ba90$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<002001c9046b$c60a37e0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <32B5D81B8B1A4B6B8C7527EB8E3C8DA1@DBTech>

Doug;

I'm glad to hear that everyone is OK. I'm sure it must have been a scary
ride!

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Doug Odom
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:29 AM
To: Rich Fox; landspeed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport

Rich, Everyone is in fine shape. Not even any sore spots.
 I drove the liner on a easy shake down run Monday to 236mph and everything 
handled good. We did ruin a oil line because it was to close to the header 
pipe. Made some new lines and heat shield Tues.  Gail wanted to drive so I 
told her if anything didn't feel right to just pull off and keep it under 
6000 rpm.   She went 240 and everything was going good. She got the high 
speed chute out and was slowing down. When she hit the low speed chute it 
kited and lifted the rear of the car. I have not had a chance to see the 
videos so this is just observation from a couple of people. The car is 
unhurt from the bulkhead behind the front tires to the bulkhead behind the 
rear tires and all the safety restrains worked just like the are supposed 
to. I should more when I see the videos. We are home now and I will try and 
send a picture later.
Doug Odom in big ditch

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:47 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Pops Motorsport


> It would appear that Doug Odom's 'liner crashed at speed at the 5. Any 
> news?
> All OK? I know Doug builds a good car.
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From fosterap at flash.net  Sat Aug 23 09:14:53 2008
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:14:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] SPARKY GOES FAST!!!!
Message-ID: <954829.95901.qm@web80603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wow.........looks like ol Sparky went 300.183 on Friday!  Guess he got the Ratical headed in the right direction and sorted out.  Way to go Bill!
   
  Jerry in Dallas

From fosterap at flash.net  Sat Aug 23 09:17:24 2008
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:17:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] (no subject)
Message-ID: <447960.23409.qm@web80608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

llllllllllllll

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Aug 24 08:12:32 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:12:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] If you or a loved one is over 50 ...
In-Reply-To: <0329F6A0-6C92-4939-8644-7288B996B58F@comcast.net>
References: <0329F6A0-6C92-4939-8644-7288B996B58F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <48B16C50.3040306@mayfco.com>

I had both a colonoscopy and endoscopy done at the same time. As Wes 
says, it is lights out! I was lying there while they inserted the mouth 
gaurd and feed device for the endoscopy device  and I was chatting 
away...  Then in mid word the lights went out. No counting backwards, no 
nothing. A switch was flipped and I was not there. But there were no 
Opus like dreams either. I was just gone.  When I awoke, I immediately 
started my chatting again, lol. I asked the nurse if they had taken me 
to the brink of death and she said nah, we still had a couple of levels 
to go before that.

Folks, it is a painless procedure. Git er done!

mayf
Wester Potter wrote:

>This experience is for you!  We have lost too many great people who  
>didn't do this, Don Vesco immediately comes to mind.
>
>http://www.comics.com/wash/opus/index.html
>
>Actually the stuff they use to put you out while this is going on  
>doesn't let you remember a thing.  You too could enjoy a happy moment  
>like this cartoon . . . and save your life in the process.
>
>Wes
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From rbuck at xmission.com  Mon Aug 25 13:53:54 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:53:54 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Photos of hot rods at the Nugget
Message-ID: <E1KXi8K-0002zK-4w@mgr1.xmission.com>

I must work much slower when it comes to getting photos on the 
web...nonetheless there are a buncha shots of the rats and other rods 
as the congregated on Sunday:
http://www.chevyasylum.com/cruisin08/Welcome.html  This is the entry 
page for all the shows and cruises I've shot so far this year....the 
Nugget gathering is at the bottom of the list.

I hope y'all enjoy.

RtR

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Aug 25 15:49:07 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:49:07 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Calibrating My Speedometer...
Message-ID: <48B328D3.9040804@mayfco.com>

Well, remember all the discussion we had on letting me calibrate my 
speedometer? And that no one was allowed to tow their vehicle down the 
course? Well that was a lie, lol. I saw any number of vehicles being 
towed down the course during the drivers inspection of the course. Must 
just be me and my charming personality..not!  But never the less, I 
calibrated it anyway. On the way to the tech inspection, I got out of 
the truck, went to the car, turned dash power on, placed the speedometer 
into the program mode got into the truck, reset the trip indicatio, 
drove a mile, got out, went back to the car and pressed the program 
button. End of job. Takes 5642 pulses to equal a  mile.  Now, being able 
to look at it is another matter altogether...

mayf

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Mon Aug 25 16:03:43 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:03:43 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Crankcase vacuum
Message-ID: <48B32C3F.00000C.01676@D3DP98F1>

We had a great week on the salt, unfortunately,  didn't get to see very many
of the people on the list since I was thrashing as usual.
I will get our story on my web site soon but the short story is that we ran
good, 240 mph with almost 243 mph exit. We had various gremlins to deal with
 but all three five mile runs gave us 238+ mph. Our fifth run Barry shut off
at the end of the quarter due to a fouled plug. Next run it broke a lifter
and timing chain. I have the engine apart and will do a complete rebuild for
W.O.S. Naturally, a few bent valves.

Does anyone know who makes the crankcase vacuum kit that uses exhaust to
create the vacuum? I have been searching but can't find it. I know it is out
there somewhere.

Tom, Redding Ca - #216 D/FCC

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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 25 16:20:21 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:20:21 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Crankcase vacuum
Message-ID: <9149488.1219702821831.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

My first one was 1/2" EMT conduit with 2 GM gulp valves. Summit has Moroso's #25900 and Mr Gasket #6002..I now use a Aero Space Industries pump and get 7" of vacuum @ 5200 rpm. in my long ol' inline....Good Luck JD
.
>
>Does anyone know who makes the crankcase vacuum kit that uses exhaust to
>create the vacuum? I have been searching but can't find it. I know it is out
>there somewhere.

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Tue Aug 26 18:09:09 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:09:09 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Article in Todays Bangor Maine Daily News about Loring
	LSR
Message-ID: <c7e.1998c4d4.35e5f525@aol.com>

_http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/49551.html_ 
(http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/49551.html) 



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From dlodom at charter.net  Tue Aug 26 18:11:29 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:11:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 427 POPMOTORSPORTS LINER CRASH
Message-ID: <002201c907d9$7478eef0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

It seems that Bonneville Bill and the Discovery channel film people did not
get any footage of our liner crashing Wed. If anyone has any film of the crash
please get in touch with me. I really need to see how far the car went before
it started having problems.
Doug Odom in big ditch
ps some of you may remember my saga last year with the skunks.  Well this year
I get home and a family of raccoons have moved into my shop while I was gone
to Bonneville. Raccoons are a lot easier to get rid of than skunks.

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Tue Aug 26 18:17:47 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:17:47 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Article in Todays Bangor Maine Daily News about
 Loring	LSR
In-Reply-To: <c7e.1998c4d4.35e5f525@aol.com>
References: <c7e.1998c4d4.35e5f525@aol.com>
Message-ID: <48B49D2B.505@wildblue.net>

OK, I'll bite!
How long is it and how smooth?

Bryan



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>
>
>
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From jolylance at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 26 20:21:10 2008
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:21:10 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] 427 POPMOTORSPORTS LINER CRASH
References: <002201c907d9$7478eef0$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>
Message-ID: <003601c907eb$929a8940$2101a8c0@WinXP>

Alas, I don't have any film but I've had Racoons come down my chimney and 
die there--then they are as bad as skunks.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Odom" <dlodom at charter.net>
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:11 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] 427 POPMOTORSPORTS LINER CRASH


> It seems that Bonneville Bill and the Discovery channel film people did 
> not
> get any footage of our liner crashing Wed. If anyone has any film of the 
> crash
> please get in touch with me. I really need to see how far the car went 
> before
> it started having problems.
> Doug Odom in big ditch
> ps some of you may remember my saga last year with the skunks.  Well this 
> year
> I get home and a family of raccoons have moved into my shop while I was 
> gone
> to Bonneville. Raccoons are a lot easier to get rid of than skunks.

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Wed Aug 27 12:41:46 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:41:46 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Speedweek
Message-ID: <48B59FEA.000006.03648@D3DP98F1>

Hello to all,

I have posted my Speedweek Story on my web site. If you want to view it, go
to www.bryantauto.com, click on Bryant Racing and then 2008 under Archives.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

From kturk at ala.net  Wed Aug 27 15:05:47 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:05:47 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
Message-ID: <00ba01c90888$adacb080$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Just found out that the Stone Woods and Cook Gasser is up for TOP drag car of
all time... if you'd like to Vote for it... follow this link... ( that's
another way of saying PLEASE do this for me... the Cooks have been hero's to
me )

http://nhra.com/insidedragster.asp

Keith

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Wed Aug 27 15:38:18 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:38:18 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c90888$adacb080$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <00ba01c90888$adacb080$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <02A7F6814CD643C68636580991BCA89D@DaveSatellite>

What ever happened to Garlits???? He is was the innovator of all time.. TF 
dragsters as they are now built are his creation... That seems wildly more 
important than a door slammer,,LOL
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 5:05 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...


> Just found out that the Stone Woods and Cook Gasser is up for TOP drag car 
> of
> all time... if you'd like to Vote for it... follow this link... ( that's
> another way of saying PLEASE do this for me... the Cooks have been hero's 
> to
> me )
>
> http://nhra.com/insidedragster.asp
>
> Keith
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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Wed Aug 27 15:40:33 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:40:33 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fw:  Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
Message-ID: <AC0F2D063580488082AE7A135993C842@DaveSatellite>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren at snet.net>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...


> What ever happened to Garlits???? He is was the innovator of all time.. TF 
> dragsters as they are now built are his creation... That seems wildly more 
> important than a door slammer,,LOL
> Dave

From kturk at ala.net  Wed Aug 27 15:41:45 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:41:45 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
References: <00ba01c90888$adacb080$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<02A7F6814CD643C68636580991BCA89D@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <00e301c9088d$b3dac640$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

I've always been in love with the Gasser wars... don't know why... just 
turns out one of our friends has a historic race car....

Cool stuff...

Garlits stuff was WAY cool too...

K 

From ifixmgs at cox.net  Wed Aug 27 16:01:21 2008
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:01:21 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c90888$adacb080$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <20080827180121.XAMKW.13607.imail@eastrmwml14.mgt.cox.net>

Guys -    it's a dead heat btwn Cookie and Borscht .....  Get out and vote!       


---- Keith Turk <kturk at ala.net> wrote: 
> Just found out that the Stone Woods and Cook Gasser is up for TOP drag car of
> all time... if you'd like to Vote for it... follow this link... ( that's
> another way of saying PLEASE do this for me... the Cooks have been hero's to
> me )
> 
> http://nhra.com/insidedragster.asp
> 
> Keith
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Aug 27 16:04:33 2008
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:04:33 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
References: <00ba01c90888$adacb080$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p><02A7F6814CD643C68636580991BCA89D@DaveSatellite>
	<00e301c9088d$b3dac640$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <005901c90890$e3d99490$6501a8c0@Glens>

Garlets has never lacked for glory. He has received many awards as have many 
others. We all vote from our heart. I have probably seen the SW&C car run 
more then all of you as he was a local.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>
To: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren at snet.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...


> I've always been in love with the Gasser wars... don't know why... just
> turns out one of our friends has a historic race car....
>
> Cool stuff...
>
> Garlits stuff was WAY cool too...
>
> K
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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Wed Aug 27 16:13:07 2008
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (Dave Dahlgren)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:13:07 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
In-Reply-To: <20080827180121.XAMKW.13607.imail@eastrmwml14.mgt.cox.net>
References: <20080827180121.XAMKW.13607.imail@eastrmwml14.mgt.cox.net>
Message-ID: <840B3847A4CB44CB96A5C52AB401B3A0@DaveSatellite>

Wild willie is in the hunt???? he is the altered guy of all time... My first 
ex wife killed a great poster of him all crossed up through the eyes one 
hand on the wheel one on the cage with that yahoo look we are racing 
now..LOL..
Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ifixmgs at cox.net>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...


> Guys -    it's a dead heat btwn Cookie and Borscht .....  Get out and 
> vote! 

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed Aug 27 16:17:22 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:17:22 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
References: <00ba01c90888$adacb080$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<02A7F6814CD643C68636580991BCA89D@DaveSatellite>
Message-ID: <006e01c90892$b1ab70e0$6501a8c0@S>

Don Garlits was a fantastic innovator and had supreme drag racing skills,
not only in the driver's seat but throughout the operation of a drag racing
team.  The top fuel dragsters were what turned drag racing from an amateur
hot rodders' sport into a a big time professional racing enterprise.
That's why I'm a landspeed racer.  I voted for Stone Woods Cook because it
was a real car and as near to a real hot rod (IMHO) as any on the voting
list.  Sorry, I just can't get into these media circuses that call
themselves racing......
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren at snet.net>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser..
> What ever happened to Garlits???? He is was the innovator of all time.. TF
> dragsters as they are now built are his creation... That seems wildly more
> important than a door slammer,,LOL,.....  Dave

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 5:05 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
> > Just found out that the Stone Woods and Cook Gasser is up for TOP drag
car
> > of all time... .........Keith

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Aug 27 17:37:49 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:37:49 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Traction Control
Message-ID: <48B5E54D.5060105@mayfco.com>

Some one mentioned to me a while back, that TC was ok to use now. Is 
that right? Nowhere in the 2008 rule book... Just curious, not planning 
on using it...

mayf

From kturk at ala.net  Wed Aug 27 17:43:29 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Traction Control
References: <48B5E54D.5060105@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <011701c9089e$b5443190$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Everyone but you can use Traction control Mayf.... they have some thing 
about math that excludes you... or something... LOL

K ( Yes it's Legal in most class's to include MS ) 

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Wed Aug 27 18:24:12 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:24:12 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Top fuel fuel systems
Message-ID: <48373A01BBA049808FC43D763704D69B@john>

My friend Larry is a friend of the guy who does the clutch on the Morgan Lucas
top fuel dragster . He was hanging around with them at the Maple Grove NHRA
National meet a couple of weeks ago and asked the fuel system guy how they are
set up these days . They have 4 sets of nozzles , 1 set for idle , 3 sets for
racing . The idle nozzles are directly into the chamber next to the spark
plugs . Of the race fuel 1/3 goes in the hat , 1/3 in the ports and 1/3 in the
chambers near the idle nozzles . The chamber nozzles all have check valves so
they flow from the end of the exhaust stroke till early in the compression
stroke . The idle nozzles each have a carb type jet . All 3 sets of race
nozzles get the same fuel pressure .
The exhaust valves must get cooled better by having the nozzles in the chamber
. The check valves would have to be pretty tough .

John

From saltfevr at q.com  Wed Aug 27 20:18:41 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:18:41 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c90888$adacb080$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <00ba01c90888$adacb080$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W47BA182990C6BCAE361B64C9600@phx.gbl>

Yeah KT, SW & C is barely ahead by 2 percentage points over Wild Willie. Maybe
its my memories of the Revell Model kit of SW & C I built in Jr High. Its
gonna be close guys & gals, keep those votes goin'.
BTW, so happy to see many of you at Salt Talks. Hope the pasties were cooked
ok. Ouch, my wife Cathy just poked me. LOLTom ShannonMagna, Utah> From:
kturk at ala.net> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:05:47
-0500> Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...> > Just found out
that the Stone Woods and Cook Gasser is up for TOP drag car of> all time... if
you'd like to Vote for it... follow this link... ( that's> another way of
saying PLEASE do this for me... the Cooks have been hero's to> me )> >
http://nhra.com/insidedragster.asp> > Keith>
_______________________________________________> Support Team.Net
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed Aug 27 21:24:13 2008
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:24:13 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
References: <00ba01c90888$adacb080$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<BAY122-W47BA182990C6BCAE361B64C9600@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008401c908bd$8dc997d0$6501a8c0@S>

Tom --
The pasties were great.  So was the noodle casserole.
Oh yeah.......so were the people there.  Great big upper to see ya all!!
Thanks Jon and Nancy.......
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Shannon" <saltfevr at q.com>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...


> Yeah KT, SW & C is barely ahead by 2 percentage points over Wild Willie.
Maybe
> its my memories of the Revell Model kit of SW & C I built in Jr High. Its
> gonna be close guys & gals, keep those votes goin'.
> BTW, so happy to see many of you at Salt Talks. Hope the pasties were
cooked
> ok. Ouch, my wife Cathy just poked me. LOLTom ShannonMagna, Utah> From:
> kturk at ala.net> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008
16:05:47
> -0500> Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...> > Just found
out
> that the Stone Woods and Cook Gasser is up for TOP drag car of> all
time... if
> you'd like to Vote for it... follow this link... ( that's> another way of
> saying PLEASE do this for me... the Cooks have been hero's to> me )> >
> http://nhra.com/insidedragster.asp> > Keith>
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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Wed Aug 27 22:09:35 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:09:35 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
In-Reply-To: <008401c908bd$8dc997d0$6501a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <20080828000935.VCQG8.396983.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Man when I was a kid to me the REAL hot rods were the GASSERS

Still dont care about watching much else run!

Thanks MIKE for saving your old mans CAR!!!!!!!!!!

---- Ed Weldon <23.weldon at comcast.net> wrote: 

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 27 22:25:29 2008
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:25:29 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
In-Reply-To: <006e01c90892$b1ab70e0$6501a8c0@S>
References: <00ba01c90888$adacb080$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<02A7F6814CD643C68636580991BCA89D@DaveSatellite> 
	<006e01c90892$b1ab70e0$6501a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W220BE14ABC99D0C8FFAC55D9600@phx.gbl>

      " I just can't get into these media circuses that call themselves
racing... "

          AMEN,   Ed




c heers to ya , ' Dirt Track Doug '




-20 miles from Square Deal Raceway,

        -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway,

        -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway

       -105 miles south of  ' The Syracuse
Mile ' ...

       -241.4 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway

       -2247 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt
Flats


but never more than a few feet from a cold one
-------------------------- oooo ---------------------------
              Wise words from the ancients   -especially in light of America's
' big-money racing' :




                     VULGAS VULT DECEPI   - Phaedrus

                                           (  the ( common )  people wish to
be deceived  )

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+

> From: 23.weldon at comcast.net
> To: ddahlgren at snet.net; kturk at ala.net
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:17:22 -0700
> CC: land-speed at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...
>
> Don Garlits was a fantastic innovator and had supreme drag racing skills,
> not only in the driver's seat but throughout the operation of a drag racing
> team.  The top fuel dragsters were what turned drag racing from an amateur
> hot rodders' sport into a a big time professional racing enterprise.
> That's why I'm a landspeed racer.  I voted for Stone Woods Cook because it
> was a real car and as near to a real hot rod (IMHO) as any on the voting
> list.  Sorry, I just can't get into these media circuses that call
> themselves racing......
> Ed Weldon
>




> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren at snet.net>
> To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser..
> > What ever happened to Garlits???? He is was the innovator of all time..
TF
> > dragsters as they are now built are his creation... That seems wildly
more
> > important than a door slammer,,LOL,.....  Dave





>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>
> > To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 5:05 PM
> > Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser...


 Just found out that the Stone Woods and Cook Gasser is up for TOP drag car of
all time... .........Keith


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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Wed Aug 27 23:20:25 2008
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:20:25 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Stone woods and Cook Gasser
Message-ID: <DE2118FAB4BA4D518CCACA4C1B1F75D5@john>

A guy 40 miles from here has one of the Stone Woods and Cook Willys gassers .
He used to drive it to street rod meets but it's back to correct now and he
trailers it to shows now .

John

From kturk at ala.net  Thu Aug 28 05:22:14 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:22:14 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] WAIT A MINUTE SPARKY.... WOW
References: <20080828000935.VCQG8.396983.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <014401c90900$52907a60$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Just in case y'all didn't notice....  BILL SMITH alias Sparky got in the 2 
club at Speedweek in his Lakester he's built right here on this list....

Let me be the last to congraduate him.... ( cause I'm sure I missed this 
thread earlier )...

Well done Bill...  Great sticktuitiveness....

Keith 

From Jimwprice at aol.com  Thu Aug 28 06:16:14 2008
From: Jimwprice at aol.com (Jimwprice at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:16:14 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky
Message-ID: <bc4.2fabc090.35e7f10e@aol.com>

Sparky just didn't get in to the two club, he is the fastest member  with a 
299+.   He has the fastest un blown lakester, gas or fuel of  all time. 



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
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From fosterap at flash.net  Thu Aug 28 07:23:26 2008
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:23:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky
In-Reply-To: <bc4.2fabc090.35e7f10e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <13443.28890.qm@web80601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sparky can also win a beer drinking race.............
  Jerry in Dallas
  

Jimwprice at aol.com wrote:
  Sparky just didn't get in to the two club, he is the fastest member with a 
299+. He has the fastest un blown lakester, gas or fuel of all time. 

From kturk at ala.net  Thu Aug 28 07:29:21 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:29:21 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] [BULK]Re:  Sparky
References: <13443.28890.qm@web80601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <015901c90912$15e8f620$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

ahhhh But Jerry.... he'll be wearing a RED hat whilst he toss's that beer 
back!!!

K 

From kturk at ala.net  Thu Aug 28 08:03:25 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:03:25 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] SCTA
Message-ID: <016201c90916$d6ed5ba0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Man... I'm still stunned by Just HOW GOOD the SCTA was at this meet...

3 course set up.... BRILLIANT  ( Drove Glen nuts... but he did an incredible
job )

Emergency's on course... Glen totally owned the announcers part of that ...
GLEN... you really don't know how much we all appreciate you...

Protest's .... while I hate them... they were handled with dignity and
class... Dan Warner, Bobby Sykes, so on and so forth...   Awesome work...
thank you all... ( next time tell the butt head ..... oh nevermind  it was
Great fun )

PURE SMOOTH guys.... if you had issues we didn't see them...  If you
volunteered to do anything.... from moving potties ( thanks Jon ) to sitting
there watching.... THANK YOU

Keith Turk

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Thu Aug 28 08:59:37 2008
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:59:37 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] SCTA
In-Reply-To: <016201c90916$d6ed5ba0$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <20080828145937.6C22A18788F@autox.team.net>

I couldn't agree more with KT's assessment of the meet and SCTA's
management. Great job guys. Since we were running a little motor and a green
driver, we spent all of our time on the short course. What a joy! Shorter
lines even on the first day than I an ever remember. Fantastic job!!!

Jim Webb
Choc Full o' Nuts
A/PP B/PP D/PP ?/FL

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Thu Aug 28 09:09:40 2008
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:09:40 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] De-Salting and another record
Message-ID: <20080828150935.8725118788F@autox.team.net>

  So the Big Red Truck - Chock Full o' Nuts, set another record - D/PP. Just
164 on a 157 record with a little V-6. The meet was good, the two short
courses worked like gangbusters and we had a blast. SCTA did a great job
running this big meet.

 

For de-salting, we use a little different solution. Since we have to have
the stock 34 gal fuel tank in place, we use it for ballast and when it is
time to load up, we hook up a garden hose and sprayer and run the pump to
wash the truck before putting it in the box. It works great! Next stop was
the parking lot of the Montego where a donation to the West Wendover
Cheerleaders had a swarm of eager young people scrambling under the truck
and trailer to knock off several more pounds of salt.

 

Life is good!

 

P.s. Congrats to Sparky, but that last .401 has to itch!!!!!

 

Jim Webb

Choc Full o' Nuts

A/PP B/PP D/PP ?/FL

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Aug 28 17:08:03 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:08:03 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Traction Control
In-Reply-To: <011701c9089e$b5443190$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <48B5E54D.5060105@mayfco.com>
	<011701c9089e$b5443190$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <20080828230715.F31C418765A@autox.team.net>

Keith,
I must be blind....... but where in the rulebook does it say that 
traction control is legal?
Skip




At 04:43 PM 8/27/2008, Keith Turk wrote:
>Everyone but you can use Traction control Mayf.... they have some thing
>about math that excludes you... or something... LOL
>
>K ( Yes it's Legal in most class's to include MS )
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Thu Aug 28 17:55:18 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:55:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Traction Control
In-Reply-To: <20080828230715.F31C418765A@autox.team.net>
References: <48B5E54D.5060105@mayfco.com>
	<011701c9089e$b5443190$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<20080828230715.F31C418765A@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <48B73AE6.4010107@wildblue.net>

It no longer says it is illegal.
Bryan


Skip Higginbotham wrote:
> Keith,
> I must be blind....... but where in the rulebook does it say that 
> traction control is legal?
> Skip

From jdincau at qnet.com  Thu Aug 28 18:42:29 2008
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:42:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Traction Control
In-Reply-To: <20080828230715.F31C418765A@autox.team.net>
References: <48B5E54D.5060105@mayfco.com><011701c9089e$b5443190$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<20080828230715.F31C418765A@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <391F2C35E50C4ED09FA62C1D02B4091F@denpc>

Skip,
     They took out the part that made it illegal.
Jim




> Keith,
> I must be blind....... but where in the rulebook does it say that
> traction control is legal?
> Skip
/land-speed 

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 28 19:09:02 2008
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:09:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Traction Control
In-Reply-To: <391F2C35E50C4ED09FA62C1D02B4091F@denpc>
Message-ID: <414697.56771.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Compare the 2007 rulebook to the 2008 rulebook. The section concerning
traction control was removed. The system is legal across the board.
 
DW

--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Jim Dincau <jdincau at qnet.com> wrote:

From: Jim Dincau <jdincau at qnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Traction Control
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 5:42 PM

Skip,
     They took out the part that made it illegal.
Jim




> Keith,
> I must be blind....... but where in the rulebook does it say that
> traction control is legal?
> Skip
/land-speed
Land-speed mailing list

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Aug 28 19:20:15 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:20:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] FIA  Car Classes
Message-ID: <48B74ECF.40608@mayfco.com>

Ok, so a little bird put a notion in myhead at SW. Said something like 
hey the sunbeam should  have a go at the FIA record for a full bodied 
car. Now for the life of me, I can make absolutley no sense of how that 
organization works or classifies cars. If for no other reason, I'd at 
least like to know what group, class, etc I would run in. No i tis not 
likely to happen unless I win the lottery and even then it woul dbe a 
spur of the moment decision...

so if any of you have a clue as to who he classification system works 
int he FIA and what the record might me, can/will you help me figure it 
ouit?

Just reply and I will give all the car particulars and we can go from 
there...

mayf

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 28 21:39:45 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:39:45 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] FIA  Car Classes
References: <48B74ECF.40608@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c90988$e1c18c50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>

In the 90's the SCTA listed the LSA (Land Speed Authority) classifications 
for Body Group, Engine Catagories, and Engine sizes. In Body Group #1 had no 
restrictions, Group #2 Open Wheel ( 2 sentances appears the same as a 
current lakester) and Group #3 Stock Body (Sedans and Pickups) (11 sentences 
follows the SCTA production body rules pretty closely with addition of any 
engine, transmission and rear end, an engine set back is allowed. and 
vehicle must be documented.)

 May or may not have followed FIA rules. I don't remember when it died 
out...I would contact Mike Cook



>
> so if any of you have a clue as to who he classification system works
> int he FIA and what the record might me, can/will you help me figure it
> ouit?
>
> Just reply and I will give all the car particulars and we can go from
> there...
>
> mayf

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Thu Aug 28 21:45:20 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:45:20 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky
In-Reply-To: <bc4.2fabc090.35e7f10e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20080828234520.GR19V.15473.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Thanks to all for all the kind WORDS and thoughts!!!!!!!!!!

It still just hasn't completely sunk in that WE built a car in my back yard shop( with the help of Home Depot and Harbor Freight----lol----that went over three on the rev limiter!!!!!!!! on the first 2 all out passes---just doesn't seem REAL!!!!!!!!!
 Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!


---- Jimwprice at aol.com wrote: 
> Sparky just didn't get in to the two club, he is the fastest member  with a 
> 299+.   He has the fastest un blown lakester, gas or fuel of  all time. 

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Thu Aug 28 21:47:26 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:47:26 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] test
Message-ID: <20080828234726.GC1LP.15515.imail@fed1rmwml45>

don't reply

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Aug 28 21:49:13 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:49:13 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] FIA  Car Classes
In-Reply-To: <001e01c90988$e1c18c50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
References: <48B74ECF.40608@mayfco.com>
	<001e01c90988$e1c18c50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <48B771B9.1090405@mayfco.com>

Thanks, JD. At least I have a beginning, lol. Group 3.   Now al I gotta 
do I find ou the rest...

mayf
J.D. Tone wrote:

> In the 90's the SCTA listed the LSA (Land Speed Authority) 
> classifications for Body Group, Engine Catagories, and Engine sizes. 
> In Body Group #1 had no restrictions, Group #2 Open Wheel ( 2 
> sentances appears the same as a current lakester) and Group #3 Stock 
> Body (Sedans and Pickups) (11 sentences follows the SCTA production 
> body rules pretty closely with addition of any engine, transmission 
> and rear end, an engine set back is allowed. and vehicle must be 
> documented.)
>
> May or may not have followed FIA rules. I don't remember when it died 
> out...I would contact Mike Cook
>
>
>
>>
>> so if any of you have a clue as to who he classification system works
>> int he FIA and what the record might me, can/will you help me figure it
>> ouit?
>>
>> Just reply and I will give all the car particulars and we can go from
>> there...
>>
>> mayf

From gary at hensleys.us  Fri Aug 29 08:25:41 2008
From: gary at hensleys.us (Gary C. Hensley)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:25:41 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky and other things
Message-ID: <200808291425.m7TEPg3c007537@omr10.networksolutionsemail.com>

Congratulations to Sparky and his crew, what a fantastic set of runs.

 

John and I were finally able to get the Berkley through tech on Saturday
even though we did not have a wiring harness installed.

 

With the delay getting the car to the salt and the time necessary to repair
the damage caused by the jack-knife/roll-over we were not able to finish
everything needed to actually make a run. 

 

First time in over half a century of attending Speed Weeks that I never even
made it to the starting line.

 

I guess that means we will make twice as many visits next year.

 

Thanks to the SCTA/BNI and all the volunteers for putting on what looked
like a great meet.

 

   Gary C Hensley

 

Fix What You Know is Wrong First

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From saltrat at pahrump.com  Fri Aug 29 09:12:20 2008
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:12:20 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Traction Control
In-Reply-To: <414697.56771.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <391F2C35E50C4ED09FA62C1D02B4091F@denpc>
	<414697.56771.qm@web52504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080829151129.2750D187904@autox.team.net>

Thank you everybody for straightening me out. Glad I'm not blind.......
Skip




At 06:09 PM 8/28/2008, dan warner wrote:
>Compare the 2007 rulebook to the 2008 rulebook. The section concerning
>traction control was removed. The system is legal across the board.
>
>DW
>
>--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Jim Dincau <jdincau at qnet.com> wrote:
>
>From: Jim Dincau <jdincau at qnet.com>
>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Traction Control
>To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 5:42 PM
>
>Skip,
>      They took out the part that made it illegal.
>Jim
>
>
>
>
> > Keith,
> > I must be blind....... but where in the rulebook does it say that
> > traction control is legal?
> > Skip
>/land-speed
>Land-speed mailing list

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Fri Aug 29 09:41:10 2008
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211 at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 8:41:10 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky and other things
In-Reply-To: <200808291425.m7TEPg3c007537@omr10.networksolutionsemail.com>
Message-ID: <20080829114110.WHC31.20511.imail@fed1rmwml45>

Gary, So glad to see you and John---so sorry you didn't get to run!!!!!!


---- "Gary C. Hensley" <gary at hensleys.us> wrote: 
> Congratulations to Sparky and his crew, what a fantastic set of runs.
> 
>  
> 
> John and I were finally able to get the Berkley through tech on Saturday
> even though we did not have a wiring harness installed.
> 
>  
> 
> With the delay getting the car to the salt and the time necessary to repair
> the damage caused by the jack-knife/roll-over we were not able to finish
> everything needed to actually make a run. 
> 
>  
> 
> First time in over half a century of attending Speed Weeks that I never even
> made it to the starting line.
> 
>  
> 
> I guess that means we will make twice as many visits next year.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks to the SCTA/BNI and all the volunteers for putting on what looked
> like a great meet.
> 
>  
> 
>    Gary C Hensley
> 
>  
> 
> Fix What You Know is Wrong First

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Fri Aug 29 10:12:11 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:12:11 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Better Speed Week coverage
Message-ID: <188E13F8-B1F7-4EC5-B8C4-E866D9E59F86@comcast.net>

At least the Deseret News got it better with their article on Speed  
Week.  Too bad they didn't do it while the event was on.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700254012,00.html

Wes

From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri Aug 29 12:15:53 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:15:53 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky
In-Reply-To: <20080828234520.GR19V.15473.imail@fed1rmwml45>
References: <bc4.2fabc090.35e7f10e@aol.com>
	<20080828234520.GR19V.15473.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <66A5BABDAB344E2F8DD9D11ECC939D0E@DBTech>

Bill;

Congratulations on your splendid achievement! Way to go.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
sparky.2211 at cox.net
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:45 PM
To: Jimwprice at aol.com; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky

Thanks to all for all the kind WORDS and thoughts!!!!!!!!!!

It still just hasn't completely sunk in that WE built a car in my back yard
shop( with the help of Home Depot and Harbor Freight----lol----that went
over three on the rev limiter!!!!!!!! on the first 2 all out passes---just
doesn't seem REAL!!!!!!!!!
 Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!


---- Jimwprice at aol.com wrote: 
> Sparky just didn't get in to the two club, he is the fastest member  with
a 
> 299+.   He has the fastest un blown lakester, gas or fuel of  all time. 
Land-speed mailing list

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From AI6V at aol.com  Fri Aug 29 12:21:34 2008
From: AI6V at aol.com (AI6V at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:21:34 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Need Engine
Message-ID: <bdc.34fd6191.35e9982e@aol.com>

Good old 363 B gas alt 439 inch BB let loose at Speed Week and would like  to 
know if anyone out there has a B or A big block (short block) that they would 
 be able to sell me so I could get back to the World of Speed event in 2  
weeks?
Carl Cook
530-470-8363
AI6V at aol.com



**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Fri Aug 29 14:48:24 2008
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:48:24 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Tires
Message-ID: <48B86098.000012.01532@D3DP98F1>

Hello to all,

First, I want to thank all who responded to my query about the crankcase
systems that use exhaust for to produce vacuum. I have a dry sump system,
three stage evacuation, and a closed breather system with a vacuum/pressure
valve. I thought the oil pump would produce enough vacuum, but was still
blowing oil out the front of the motor, I think the front seal, during
Speedweek. After our teardown, I think it was too much blow-by that was the
problem. Will try it again at the WOS as is with the refreshed engine and if
I still have a problem will move on the exhaust vacuum systems.

The reason for this post is that a friend of mine that is getting his
Studebaker ready for the salt needs a pair of 18" by 8.00, 30 inch tires,
new or used. If anyone has a lead get back to me. Thanks!

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From MPittwood at compuserve.com  Fri Aug 29 15:19:18 2008
From: MPittwood at compuserve.com (MPittwood at compuserve.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:19:18 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Classifying the Sunbeam
Message-ID: <200808291719_MC3-2-F0E-581F@compuserve.com>

Mayf & list

The FIA do not operate classifications by body type.  You may run any shape
of car that you think is fast enough.

Your car wull be iin Category A. - Special Automobile.

With the turbochargers your car will then be in Group I - reciprocating 2
or 4 stroke engine with supercharger..

The class depends upon the measured engine capacity of your notor - which I
cannot remember but I feel sure it is over 5000cc so you will be in either
class 10 or if over 8000cc it will be class 11.

So you will enter A - I - 10 or A - I - 11.

But befoire you do, check out the mile and kilo speed records for these
entries under the FIA lists  They are as follows:

A - I - 10: mile - 405.862 mph and kilo 406.321 mph (Al Teague set them)
A - I - 11 mile - 409.987 mph and kilo 425.050 mph (Al set these too).

Your goal should be to exceed the speed of the fastest Sunbeam - the Golden
Arrow - mile average two runs in 1929 of 231.446 mph.

Malcolm UK

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 29 15:55:20 2008
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:55:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Classifying the Sunbeam
Message-ID: <23393112.1220046921003.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

MP puts it as I remember it. The LSA referance I made from the 90's rulebooks was used but I do not know where the classifications came from. Teagues numbers are there. I thoght FIA didn't care what your body shape was just CC's.  Thanks MP


>
>Mayf & list
>
>The FIA do not operate classifications by body type.  You may run any shape
>of car that you think is fast enough.
>
>Your car wull be iin Category A. - Special Automobile.
>
>With the turbochargers your car will then be in Group I - reciprocating 2
>or 4 stroke engine with supercharger..
>
>The class depends upon the measured engine capacity of your notor - which I
>cannot remember but I feel sure it is over 5000cc so you will be in either
>class 10 or if over 8000cc it will be class 11.
>
>So you will enter A - I - 10 or A - I - 11.
>
>But befoire you do, check out the mile and kilo speed records for these
>entries under the FIA lists  They are as follows:
>
>A - I - 10: mile - 405.862 mph and kilo 406.321 mph (Al Teague set them)
>A - I - 11 mile - 409.987 mph and kilo 425.050 mph (Al set these too).
>
>Your goal should be to exceed the speed of the fastest Sunbeam - the Golden
>Arrow - mile average two runs in 1929 of 231.446 mph.
>
>Malcolm UK
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From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Fri Aug 29 19:40:17 2008
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:40:17 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Tires
In-Reply-To: <48B86098.000012.01532@D3DP98F1>
Message-ID: <20080830014023.71B5C18763D@autox.team.net>

Tom,

My belief is that with a decent dry sump pump, you will make plenty of
vacuum - provided everything else seals OK. On one dry sump rat motor we
have, the front seal in the cast Weiand front cover does not really align
with the crank. We don't blow oil out, but we never make vacuum and we do
eat seals. (no dig on Weiand, it could be from the block being line bored,
eh?)
Anyway, look for something else before you blame the pump - if the motor is
really sealed, the scavenge pump will do it's job.

Jim Webb
Choc Full o' Nuts
A/PP B/PP ?/FL
 
-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+jimwebb=nutsracing.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+jimwebb=nutsracing.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Tom Bryant
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:48 PM
To: Landspeed
Subject: [Land-speed] Tires

Hello to all,

First, I want to thank all who responded to my query about the crankcase
systems that use exhaust for to produce vacuum. I have a dry sump system,
three stage evacuation, and a closed breather system with a vacuum/pressure
valve. I thought the oil pump would produce enough vacuum, but was still
blowing oil out the front of the motor, I think the front seal, during
Speedweek. After our teardown, I think it was too much blow-by that was the
problem. Will try it again at the WOS as is with the refreshed engine and if
I still have a problem will move on the exhaust vacuum systems.

The reason for this post is that a friend of mine that is getting his
Studebaker ready for the salt needs a pair of 18" by 8.00, 30 inch tires,
new or used. If anyone has a lead get back to me. Thanks!

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 29 19:57:21 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:57:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Clutch Throw Out Bearing
Message-ID: <540980.40165.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How do you tell a throw out bearing for a three-finger pressure plate vs. a
diaphragm plate?  Or are they inter-changeable?  In my street rod project,
built with left-over parts, I am using a three finger 10" clutch with a Borg
Warner T-4 transmission.  As far as I know, the T-4s only came with diaphragm
clutches.
 
DickJ

From dlodom at charter.net  Fri Aug 29 20:41:42 2008
From: dlodom at charter.net (Doug Odom)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:41:42 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Clutch Throw Out Bearing
References: <540980.40165.qm@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009e01c90a49$f0096e10$6401a8c0@YOUR588B4A13EA>

Dick, There are at least 3 different TO bearings used with the chevy that I 
know of. The 3 finger Borg and Beck, the diaphragm and the raised diaphragm. 
Also you must use the correct lever arm for the TO bearing you are using or 
the linkage will be messed up. The 3 fingered B&B type uses the flat surface 
one.    Doug Odom in big ditch
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick J" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
To: "lsr list autox" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Clutch Throw Out Bearing


> How do you tell a throw out bearing for a three-finger pressure plate vs. 
> a
> diaphragm plate?  Or are they inter-changeable?  In my street rod project,
> built with left-over parts, I am using a three finger 10" clutch with a 
> Borg
> Warner T-4 transmission.  As far as I know, the T-4s only came with 
> diaphragm
> clutches.
>
> DickJ
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From MPittwood at compuserve.com  Sat Aug 30 07:27:56 2008
From: MPittwood at compuserve.com (MPittwood at compuserve.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:27:56 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Class for Sunbeam
Message-ID: <200808300928_MC3-2-E24-F70B@compuserve.com>

Mayf

Sorry Mayf but the change of power unit - and many of the other
modifications made to the Sunbeam chassis - means you remain in Category A.


Under the FIA Category B, a Production Car is a vehicle selected off a
manufacturers production line or off the showroom floor.  Then three cars
can be 'run in' or 'broken in' for a few thousand miles under observation
before one is (or all are) chosen..  A few safety modifications are allowed
and then the records can be attempted.  Mostly these are endurance records
to show off the specification of the brand product.

If there could be agreement amongst nations as to the classification of
automobiles by types then maybe given time and patience the FIA Records
Commission might be pursuaded to create a further Category or Categories.
If the attempts are made to the FIA operating regulations then the fees
earnt might make the Paris body take some interest?  I know who the UK
representative is on the records commission, but who represents the USA?
(It was Burdett Martin of ACCUS  - may still be him for all I know).  Is
the Australian federation or national club represented?  A few years work
could see it happen (................. he says with a degree of hope not
expectation, LOL)  The late John Beckett and I kicked around some ideas but
the task will not be easy.

I am of course still here and keeping an eye on LS activity.  After the
year long period of investigation into the Jet Car training crash, during
which much speed activity seemed to be on hold, I have been tasked with
developing the energy section of the consultancy business that I work for.
No time to visit the USA for land speed activity since El MIrage in '06.
But I am now back involved in a few UK plans and in particular I need to
watch the ground conditions on the Black Rock Desert for the next 24
months.

Malcolm UK

From saltfevr at q.com  Sat Aug 30 09:01:13 2008
From: saltfevr at q.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:01:13 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Sparky
In-Reply-To: <20080828234520.GR19V.15473.imail@fed1rmwml45>
References: <bc4.2fabc090.35e7f10e@aol.com>
	<20080828234520.GR19V.15473.imail@fed1rmwml45>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W51406C780CD997C36B5296C9620@phx.gbl>

Congratulations Sparky!!! You and all the others are to be commended!!
Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:45:20 -0400> From:
sparky.2211 at cox.net> To: Jimwprice at aol.com; land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sparky> > Thanks to all for all the kind WORDS and
thoughts!!!!!!!!!!> > It still just hasn't completely sunk in that WE built a
car in my back yard shop( with the help of Home Depot and Harbor
Freight----lol----that went over three on the rev limiter!!!!!!!! on the first
2 all out passes---just doesn't seem REAL!!!!!!!!!> Thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!>
> > ---- Jimwprice at aol.com wrote: > > Sparky just didn't get in to the two
club, he is the fastest member with a > > 299+. He has the fastest un blown
lakester, gas or fuel of all time. >
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From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sat Aug 30 09:46:49 2008
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:46:49 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Auto Slides...
References: <BAY104-DAV12B63A7BAC99E265755FF4DF620@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1CC5B77A-F100-438F-A141-713EA3FAF4EB@comcast.net>

If the photos don't come through just send me an email and I'll  
forward them to you off the list.

Wes


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "JAN O HYDE" <JANOHYDE at msn.com>
> Date: August 30, 2008 7:13:13 AM MDT
> To: "Jan Hyde" <JANOHYDE at msn.com>
> Subject: Auto Slides...
>
> JO

From rbuck at xmission.com  Sat Aug 30 15:48:00 2008
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:48:00 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed Week pics are on the server
Message-ID: <E1KZYbI-0007YP-Oy@mx04.mta.xmission.com>

I finally got 'em all edited and on the server:
http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/sw/Welcome.html

The watermark program has caused some image quality issues.  I'm 
gonna have to look into that further, but for right now, I'm kinda 
tired of lookin at 'em.

Hope you enjoy,

RtR

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 30 17:39:30 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:39:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed Week pics are on the server
In-Reply-To: <E1KZYbI-0007YP-Oy@mx04.mta.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <892118.18085.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Great Pictures!  Thanks for posting them.  The last photo on page one is A/MGR
# 9555.  Does anybody have any idea what kind of tires those are on the rear
of that car?
 
Thanks
DickJ
In East Texas

--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Ray Buck <rbuck at xmission.com> wrote:

From: Ray Buck <rbuck at xmission.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Speed Week pics are on the server
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 4:48 PM

I finally got 'em all edited and on the server:
http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2008/sw/Welcome.html

The watermark program has caused some image quality issues.  I'm
gonna have to look into that further, but for right now, I'm kinda
tired of lookin at 'em.

Hope you enjoy,

RtR

From kturk at ala.net  Sat Aug 30 18:25:25 2008
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:25:25 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] WORLD FINALS entry cost...
Message-ID: <013c01c90b00$10626840$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

I'm trying to find the entry cost for the World Finals... one of my friends is
having trouble getting to the WOS and this might be an option...

Thanks in advance...  Keith

From delsolid at gmail.com  Sat Aug 30 18:29:42 2008
From: delsolid at gmail.com (John Romero)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:29:42 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] WORLD FINALS entry cost...
In-Reply-To: <013c01c90b00$10626840$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <013c01c90b00$10626840$6500a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <bbf5bf710808301729s2f600776r8f2865822b47ca1c@mail.gmail.com>

Was at the meeting last night and they (BNI Board) said it will be the
same as Speedweek. Info will be posted soon.

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Keith Turk <kturk at ala.net> wrote:
> I'm trying to find the entry cost for the World Finals... one of my friends is
> having trouble getting to the WOS and this might be an option...
>
> Thanks in advance...  Keith
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Aug 30 18:31:39 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:31:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic... Laptop Issue, my data logger..
Message-ID: <48B9E66B.20407@mayfco.com>

Folks, I use a Panasonic CF-27 Toughbook as my tuner and data logger 
laptop. On the salt during the first run, I did something in the initial 
setup to start the data logging that I had not done before and it pretty 
much killed something.
I started the laptop's data logging program and verified that it was 
logging data. I closed it up and latched it. I have the laptop set up so 
that no action is taken when the screen is closed like this and have 
used it this way many times. I use a bungee cord to hold it secure in 
it's cradle.  This time, I left the mouse connected and slipped it under 
the bungee cord to hold it in place.  That was the wrong thing to do. 
Apparently the bungee "clicked or half clicked" one or both of the  
mouse buttons and held it in that condition. After the run, I went to 
look for data and there was none. But the mouse would not work. I tried 
another mouse and when the laptop boots up and gets to the windows 
screen, if the mouse is touched the cursor goes berserk. The cursor 
flies all over the screen opening menus, programs, shutting them down 
closing things opening things and in general just making a mess. 
Curiously though, if I leave the mouse unplugged, it is a PS2 unit, and 
plug it in after the boot up, it works just fine.  This is pretty 
annoying, lol. I have unloaded the mouse driver and let the computer 
reload it. I have loaded MS Intellipoint 6.1 Mouse program with no 
change in results.  Has anyone experienced anything like this? Any one 
have any other ideas on what might be wrong? Or how to repair?  While I 
don't know exactly how it works, I suspect the interrupt handler for the 
mouse is befarkled somehow. The laptop has a touch pad which works 
perfectly fine...  Could a small elecronic component failure do this?  
Alas, I am lost in these matters.. The mouse that was attached was a 
ball type and the current one is a optical..all with the same 
indications. Even tried a USB mouse with a PS2 adapter...same thing. 
Also tried the USB mouse directly with the same results...

Oops, I am using Win XP PRO, SP2.  forgot to add that if it is important.

mayf, anxiousl;y awaiting

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Sat Aug 30 19:19:00 2008
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:19:00 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Bangor Daily news/WAGM TV on Loring LSR
Message-ID: <bfa.23a2c235.35eb4b84@aol.com>

The Following are the results of our appearance up in Maine at our new LSR  
venue. 
The YouTube video was supplied by the local TV station, although they  clipped
 off the very beginning and end. I think everybody will still get an idea  of 
the potential of the place though. 
The second was posted on HAMB about the news article and is accompanied by  
HAMBoid commentary.
I'm also slowly editing a video I took of BJs 27 at speed,close up and  
personal for your viewing pleasure. 
It seems this week got ridiculously busy as everybody is on vacation, and  
most of them are in my house. 
ENJOY !!!!!
BOB W
 
 
 
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCfVAsA7R3g_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCfVAsA7R3g) 
 
 
_http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3072942#post3072942_ 
(http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3072942#post3072942) 




**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel 
deal here.      
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Aug 31 10:05:56 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:05:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic... Laptop Issue, my data logger..
In-Reply-To: <48B9E66B.20407@mayfco.com>
References: <48B9E66B.20407@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <48BAC164.9080805@wildblue.net>

Mayf,

I would try to determine if the problem is Hardware or Software. I would 
install
my WD serial drive and install Windows 2000. If that works, install Win 
XP SP2
with no further updates... Etc.
I have Win 2K & a WD 160Gb serial drive if you're interested Mayf,
Give me a call.
Bryan

drmayf wrote:
> Folks, I use a Panasonic CF-27 Toughbook as my tuner and data logger 
> laptop. On the salt during the first run, I did something in the initial 
> setup to start the data logging that I had not done before and it pretty 
> much killed something.
> I started the laptop's data logging program and verified that it was 
> logging data. I closed it up and latched it. I have the laptop set up so 
> that no action is taken when the screen is closed like this and have 
> used it this way many times. I use a bungee cord to hold it secure in 
> it's cradle.  This time, I left the mouse connected and slipped it under 
> the bungee cord to hold it in place.  That was the wrong thing to do. 
> Apparently the bungee "clicked or half clicked" one or both of the  
> mouse buttons and held it in that condition. After the run, I went to 
> look for data and there was none. But the mouse would not work. I tried 
> another mouse and when the laptop boots up and gets to the windows 
> screen, if the mouse is touched the cursor goes berserk. The cursor 
> flies all over the screen opening menus, programs, shutting them down 
> closing things opening things and in general just making a mess. 
> Curiously though, if I leave the mouse unplugged, it is a PS2 unit, and 
> plug it in after the boot up, it works just fine.  This is pretty 
> annoying, lol. I have unloaded the mouse driver and let the computer 
> reload it. I have loaded MS Intellipoint 6.1 Mouse program with no 
> change in results.  Has anyone experienced anything like this? Any one 
> have any other ideas on what might be wrong? Or how to repair?  While I 
> don't know exactly how it works, I suspect the interrupt handler for the 
> mouse is befarkled somehow. The laptop has a touch pad which works 
> perfectly fine...  Could a small elecronic component failure do this?  
> Alas, I am lost in these matters.. The mouse that was attached was a 
> ball type and the current one is a optical..all with the same 
> indications. Even tried a USB mouse with a PS2 adapter...same thing. 
> Also tried the USB mouse directly with the same results...
>
> Oops, I am using Win XP PRO, SP2.  forgot to add that if it is important.
>
> mayf, anxiousl;y awaiting
> _______________________________________________
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Aug 31 11:00:06 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:00:06 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic... Laptop Issue, my data logger..
In-Reply-To: <48B9E66B.20407@mayfco.com>
References: <48B9E66B.20407@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <FA1E8A4F6BA74213A1A3BD6D08122F40@DBTech>

Mayf:

The only think I can say is that my desktop does something similar when it
comes out of "hibernate" mode. The mouse is completely goofy but re- booting
the system cures my problem.

Digital systems mystify me-- I'm an analog guy.

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
drmayf
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 5:32 PM
To: LSR; tigers at autox.team.net; Alpines; tweecer at yahoogroups.com;
jyturbo at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic... Laptop Issue, my data logger..

Folks, I use a Panasonic CF-27 Toughbook as my tuner and data logger 
laptop. On the salt during the first run, I did something in the initial 
setup to start the data logging that I had not done before and it pretty 
much killed something.
I started the laptop's data logging program and verified that it was 
logging data. I closed it up and latched it. I have the laptop set up so 
that no action is taken when the screen is closed like this and have 
used it this way many times. I use a bungee cord to hold it secure in 
it's cradle.  This time, I left the mouse connected and slipped it under 
the bungee cord to hold it in place.  That was the wrong thing to do. 
Apparently the bungee "clicked or half clicked" one or both of the  
mouse buttons and held it in that condition. After the run, I went to 
look for data and there was none. But the mouse would not work. I tried 
another mouse and when the laptop boots up and gets to the windows 
screen, if the mouse is touched the cursor goes berserk. The cursor 
flies all over the screen opening menus, programs, shutting them down 
closing things opening things and in general just making a mess. 
Curiously though, if I leave the mouse unplugged, it is a PS2 unit, and 
plug it in after the boot up, it works just fine.  This is pretty 
annoying, lol. I have unloaded the mouse driver and let the computer 
reload it. I have loaded MS Intellipoint 6.1 Mouse program with no 
change in results.  Has anyone experienced anything like this? Any one 
have any other ideas on what might be wrong? Or how to repair?  While I 
don't know exactly how it works, I suspect the interrupt handler for the 
mouse is befarkled somehow. The laptop has a touch pad which works 
perfectly fine...  Could a small elecronic component failure do this?  
Alas, I am lost in these matters.. The mouse that was attached was a 
ball type and the current one is a optical..all with the same 
indications. Even tried a USB mouse with a PS2 adapter...same thing. 
Also tried the USB mouse directly with the same results...

Oops, I am using Win XP PRO, SP2.  forgot to add that if it is important.

mayf, anxiousl;y awaiting
Land-speed mailing list

You are subscribed as neil at dbelltech.com

http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Aug 31 11:11:17 2008
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:11:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic... Laptop Issue, my data logger..
In-Reply-To: <FA1E8A4F6BA74213A1A3BD6D08122F40@DBTech>
References: <48B9E66B.20407@mayfco.com>
	<FA1E8A4F6BA74213A1A3BD6D08122F40@DBTech>
Message-ID: <48BAD0B5.5020607@wildblue.net>

That caused by running Windows Neil. It's a special feature. Lucky you.

Bryan

neil at dbelltech.com wrote:
> Mayf:
>
> The only think I can say is that my desktop does something similar when it
> comes out of "hibernate" mode. The mouse is completely goofy but re- booting
> the system cures my problem.
>
> Digital systems mystify me-- I'm an analog guy.
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Aug 31 11:33:09 2008
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:33:09 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Off Topic... Laptop Issue, my data logger..
In-Reply-To: <48BAD0B5.5020607@wildblue.net>
References: <48B9E66B.20407@mayfco.com>
	<FA1E8A4F6BA74213A1A3BD6D08122F40@DBTech>
	<48BAD0B5.5020607@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <BB41385B37D14689935C89DF92233154@DBTech>

Bryan;

I probably paid extra for it, too! :)

Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Savage Jr. [mailto:basavage at wildblue.net] On Behalf Of Bryan
Savage
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:11 AM
To: neil at dbelltech.com
Cc: drmayf at mayfco.com; 'LSR'; tigers at autox.team.net; 'Alpines';
tweecer at yahoogroups.com; jyturbo at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Off Topic... Laptop Issue, my data logger..

That caused by running Windows Neil. It's a special feature. Lucky you.

Bryan

neil at dbelltech.com wrote:
> Mayf:
>
> The only think I can say is that my desktop does something similar when it
> comes out of "hibernate" mode. The mouse is completely goofy but re-
booting
> the system cures my problem.
>
> Digital systems mystify me-- I'm an analog guy.
>
> Regards, Neil   Tucson, AZ

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 31 18:14:51 2008
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:14:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Saltine News - Working on Transmissions
In-Reply-To: <cab.341fd29e.35ec8b26@aol.com>
Message-ID: <30797.41578.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Jimwprice at aol.com <Jimwprice at aol.com> wrote:  ... ...
onto a Citroen at a junk yard. 
 
Cool junk yard!  All we have around here are Toyotas, Nissans and 84 Caprices!
- - oh, yeah, and lotsa long bed pickup trucks!
 
Jim,
 
Are you working under the car (without a lift) to make the tranny brackets and
stuff.  That's always fun.   I just finished essentially the same job, and I
was only able to get the car high enough off the ground to clear my belly!  
The "good - bad news" was when I found out that my belly was smaller than the
bellhousing on the TH-350.  Good news was that I was able to get out from
under the car.  Bad news was that it took me half a day to wrangle the
transmission out because the bellhousing was bigger than the space between the
frame rails and the floor!  Dont' even ask about the re-install!  At least now
I have a real race transmission that will handle the HP that I mortgaged the
house for.  It should actually shift gears and everything!
 
DickJ
In EasT Texas