From sparky.2211 at cox.net Mon Oct 1 00:29:43 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:29:43 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] WF-thrash Message-ID: <26F4FCEF60C74D10AD71E2E4DFF14538@LMS> After talking to Skip today---I have decided to put an additional 175# of lead 18" in frt. of the nose, 260# 18" ahead of the axle, and 170# 34" rear of the axle. I hope I will be able to acclerate this " Lead Ass Rat" fast enough to " Qualify"> lost of skin work left to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sparky AA/_ L 2211 From wester6935 at comcast.net Mon Oct 1 09:35:52 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:35:52 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Ground search resumes for Fossett not LSR Message-ID: <100120071535.8560.470113D80004D5C3000021702200735834CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-09-30T202604Z_01_N30248239_RTRUKOC_0_US-FOSSETT-SEARCH.xml&src=nl_ustopnewsearly From jon.the.wise at gmail.com Tue Oct 2 00:01:34 2007 From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jon Bishop) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:01:34 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Screen In-Reply-To: <092920072003.18112.46FEAF7C000D0221000046C022070009539C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net> References: <092920072003.18112.46FEAF7C000D0221000046C022070009539C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sep 29, 2007, at 1:03 PM, bobbyhotrods at comcast.net wrote: > Has anyone ever seen a puny filter or screen on an intake for a > turbo? My deal's really pretty tight, with the intake facing the > block only about an 1 1/2" away. I should have something there to > keep at least the larger fasteners from going in. 4" diameter. > Alternately I'll make something, maybe using foam and a screen. Any > foam experts out there? Thanks, BJ in Beantown, where the Sox > finished in front of the Yankees..... It seems to me that having the intake that close to the block would cause problems with heated intake. I'm not an expert on anything except that even the smallest bits of foreign matter getting into your turbo will potentially destroy your turbo. I would suggest a real air filter if at all possible. ~Jon From joyseydevil at comcast.net Tue Oct 2 00:31:04 2007 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 02:31:04 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Screen Message-ID: <000501c804bd$cf2d6d50$9f3d2544@john> > Has anyone ever seen a puny filter or screen on an intake for a > turbo? My deal's really pretty tight, with the intake facing the > block only about an 1 1/2" away. I should have something there to > keep at least the larger fasteners from going in. 4" diameter. > Alternately I'll make something, maybe using foam and a screen. Any > foam experts out there? Thanks, BJ in Beantown, where the Sox > finished in front of the Yankees..... Bob The McLaren team's CanAm cars used to have convex screens on each of the Crower air horns that looked like kitchen sieves without handles . Maybe you could adapt something from your supermarket . From lsr_man at yahoo.com Wed Oct 3 03:58:50 2007 From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 02:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Maxton Spec Gas Message-ID: <530865.82041.qm@web30713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does the ECTA still run a spec racing fuel? If so, what kind of fuel is available at the track. DickJ In East Texas --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From zoomph at eircom.net Wed Oct 3 04:49:52 2007 From: zoomph at eircom.net (Johnnie Doherty) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:49:52 +0100 Subject: [Land-speed] LSR Joke of the day Message-ID: <001201c805ab$20e0d090$45e9869f@zoomph> Hey guys, I can't offer advice, give help or bolster anyones flagging resolve, however, I do have a topical joke! A 'friend' of mine told me this after 10 minutes of laughter at my feeble attempt to build a streamliner! ENJOY. Paddy decides one day to have a go at building a streamliner. He sources the very best components and expertise he can but when the machine is completed he harbours nagging doubts about it's ability to protect him at speed. A friend of his works on the railway says, "We have a machine built by the french to simulate a bird impact on the high speed TGV line, it fires a bird carcass at the front of the train and gives us the chance to assess damage in a controlled condition, if you come over at the weekend we can try it!" Paddy duly accepts and that Sunday they load the streamliner onto the testbed. Paddy is just too eager to see how his creation will fare and becomes increasingly frustrated by the slow pace and the pre-test checks so while his friend is in the toilet he loads the cannon and pushes the button. They open the chamber to inspect the damage. He is horrified to see his carbon body in tatters, the engine block is cracked and has been hit with so much force it has pushed the bulkhead back bending the steering gear and puncturing the fuel cell. He is totally distraught at the thought of the hours and money spent. His friend looks at him disappointedly, picks up the carcass and says "Thaw the chicken next time!" John, (tripping over leprechauns!) From joetimney at dol.net Wed Oct 3 06:20:14 2007 From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:20:14 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Maxton Spec Gas In-Reply-To: <530865.82041.qm@web30713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <530865.82041.qm@web30713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <470388FE.3050705@dol.net> Dick, We have Sunoco. 100 unleaded, 104 unleaded, 110 & 116. joe Dick J wrote: > Does the ECTA still run a spec racing fuel? If so, what kind of fuel is available at the track. > > DickJ > In East Texas From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Mon Oct 1 00:35:51 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:35:51 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Screen In-Reply-To: <092920072003.18112.46FEAF7C000D0221000046C022070009539C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net> References: <092920072003.18112.46FEAF7C000D0221000046C022070009539C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47009547.2010108@wildblue.net> An inch and a half??!!!.. Don't get excited if you can't build much boost and listen for a strange noise. The thing may surge pretty bad. Bryan bobbyhotrods at comcast.net wrote: > Has anyone ever seen a puny filter or screen on an intake for a turbo? My deal's really pretty tight, with the intake facing the block only about an 1 1/2" away. I should have something there to keep at least the larger fasteners from going in. 4" diameter. > Alternately I'll make something, maybe using foam and a screen. Any foam experts out there? Thanks, BJ in Beantown, where the Sox finished in front of the Yankees..... From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Mon Oct 1 11:36:56 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:36:56 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Off we go... In-Reply-To: <092920072112.25250.46FEBFBF00045265000062A22200760180CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> References: <092920072112.25250.46FEBFBF00045265000062A22200760180CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47013038.1020902@wildblue.net> Sounds like a good reason to use Mobil 1 0W-40 oil. Bryan wester6935 at comcast.net wrote: > Bring your longjohns ... it's not raining in Wendover but it's snowing in Salt Lake right now. Two different weather systems. The forecast for the salt is low 70's and 40's at night. Great air for racing. > > Wes From dlodom at charter.net Thu Oct 4 15:54:21 2007 From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:54:21 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car Message-ID: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net> If John's daughter drives a car made by the people as his car do you think he will let her drive it this weekend? Would you?? Just thinking out loud. Doug Odom in big ditch From saltrat at pahrump.com Thu Oct 4 18:13:32 2007 From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:13:32 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car In-Reply-To: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net> References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net> Message-ID: <20071005001342.BCDCD187A8D@autox.team.net> Yes. Skip At 02:54 PM 10/4/2007, you wrote: >If John's daughter drives a car made by the people as his car do you >think he will let her drive it this weekend? Would you?? >Just thinking out loud. Doug Odom in big ditch >_______________________________________________ From lsr1301 at dahmurf.com Thu Oct 4 18:33:32 2007 From: lsr1301 at dahmurf.com (DahMurf) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:33:32 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car In-Reply-To: <20071005001342.BCDCD187A8D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Well I'm thinking given his positive attitude about the whole thing I think he would but I'm sure they're already working on safety improvements. He said in his interview that he was ok with it all given a 300 mph crash. He's already got to be somewhat comfortable with things if he's backed her running thus far. Would I let her, as long as she understood the very real possibilities of a bad outcome and that she was doing it because "she" wanted to, then yes, I'd have to let her. (some day my daughter will find this & throw it back in my face! LOL) Deb #1302 Twin Jugs Racing -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [Land-speed] John Force car Yes. Skip At 02:54 PM 10/4/2007, you wrote: >If John's daughter drives a car made by the people as his car do you >think he will let her drive it this weekend? Would you?? >Just thinking out loud. Doug Odom in big ditch From wester6935 at comcast.net Thu Oct 4 21:16:38 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:16:38 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] W F today Message-ID: <100520070316.2468.4705AC96000A596A000009A42200735834CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Sparky had an unfortunate incident on his way to the salt ... he hit a wild horse on the road. His truck is probably at a repair shop in Las Vegas as a result of the extensive damage. His car is on the salt but he has been having gremlins according to Mayf. Speaking of Mayf, he turned a 181 then a back up 174 this morning, on a high 179 record On his run around noon he popped the chute, it lifted his back end and he spun. Glen Barrett, from the timing palace, reported that he was driving off the course after the spin but strongly suggested Mike Cook find him and ask for a longer tether line. Gail Tesinsky, driving the chopped Studebaker blew an engine this morning. A hole the size of my hand through the block and various shrapnel and chewed up bits of metal in the belly pan. Our favorite biker (and Port-A-Potty prince) Jon Wennerberg has a new avocation for the meet. He is the announcer on the radio. They have a new FM station and Jon was doing an excellent job from the bits I heard. With the combination of salt jobs I suggested a new nickname for him could be "Potty Mouth". They ran record return runs at 4:00 this afternoon in anticipation of a front moving in later this evening that could have disastrous effects. The wind has really come up in Salt Lake in the last hour. I'd guess gusts at around 35 mph. The long course was reported to be in GREAT shape. Hard and good traction. The short course ... the one on the left looking toward Floating mountain ... was not holding up nearly as well. The waits have not been that long today. A few cars were just coming back and getting in line without going to the pits. I saw several that made two runs and we had to leave before 4. Wes From lowtek at ptd.net Fri Oct 5 05:35:20 2007 From: lowtek at ptd.net (Richard Kensicki) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:35:20 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47062178.9070806@ptd.net> In a recent TV spot (prior to the crash) John Force was already talking about a new chassis design they were working on to address safety issues in the funny car ranks. He will probably push harder and faster on this after his accident. RichK DahMurf wrote: > Well I'm thinking given his positive attitude about the whole thing > I think he would but I'm sure they're already working on safety > improvements. He said in his interview that he was ok with it all > given a 300 mph crash. He's already got to be somewhat comfortable > with things if he's backed her running thus far. Would I let her, > as long as she understood the very real possibilities of a bad > outcome and that she was doing it because "she" wanted to, then > yes, I'd have to let her. > > (some day my daughter will find this & throw it back in my face! LOL) > > Deb #1302 > Twin Jugs Racing > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] John Force car > > > Yes. > Skip > > > > > > At 02:54 PM 10/4/2007, you wrote: > >> If John's daughter drives a car made by the people as his car do you >> think he will let her drive it this weekend? Would you?? >> Just thinking out loud. Doug Odom in big ditch >> > _______________________________________________ > lowtek at ptd.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From bennevl at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 5 13:14:03 2007 From: bennevl at bellsouth.net (Bill Bennett) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:14:03 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net> Message-ID: <008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop> He released a statement yesterday that Ashely would not be driving this weekend. They have concentrated all their efforts in Robert's car since he is in the points battle. Will be interesting to see what changes they have done to the car for this weekend. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "DougOdom" To: "Landspeed List" Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car > If John's daughter drives a car made by the people as his car do you think > he will let her drive it this weekend? Would you?? > Just thinking out loud. Doug Odom in big ditch From dlodom at charter.net Fri Oct 5 17:36:17 2007 From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:36:17 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car In-Reply-To: <008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop> References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net> <008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop> Message-ID: <4706CA71.10708@charter.net> Bill Bennett wrote: > He released a statement yesterday that Ashely would not be driving > this weekend. They have concentrated all their efforts in Robert's car > since he is in the points battle. Will be interesting to see what > changes they have done to the car for this weekend. > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "DougOdom" > To: "Landspeed List" > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:54 PM > Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car > > >> If John's daughter drives a car made by the people as his car do you >> think he will let her drive it this weekend? Would you?? >> Just thinking out loud. Doug Odom in big ditch >> >> > > Bill, I started this thread for the people that are building a car out of chrome moly tubing. In all the race cars I have built ( over 20 ) I have never used chrome moly so I know very little about working with it. I have a good friend that builds super modifieds. Of course they are made with c/m tubing. Another good friend is a crew chief on a funny car. From what I understand there has been a real hassle among funny car builders about heat treating or normalizing c/m. Because of money, politics and ego's I don't know if the truth will ever come out from NHRA. So I would dig very deep into why Johns car broke on my own if I was going to use c/m. Lets just say I was not a bit surprised John will not have Ashely drive one of her cars this weekend. Not trying to start trouble, just a heads up. Doug Odom in big ditch From 23.weldon at comcast.net Fri Oct 5 18:37:50 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:37:50 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Another chrome-moly rant?? References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net><008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop> <4706CA71.10708@charter.net> Message-ID: <003201c807b1$229e88c0$6401a8c0@S> Chrome-moly for chassis construction scares the BG's out of me. Way too many variables for any kind of cutting edge racing application unless you've got some pretty experienced engineering heads watching over both the design/build as well as the operation/maintenance. IMHO worse than worthless for LSR or any kind of amateur racing for that matter. Well, maybe I'd make an exception for little British sports cars like Lotus 7's with their silver soldered "birdcage" frames.... as long as they're powered with "little British" engines. Ed Weldon > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "DougOdom" > > To: "Landspeed List" > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:54 PM > > Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car > Bill, I started this thread for the people that are building a car out > of chrome moly tubing. In all the race cars I have built ( over 20 ) I > have never used chrome moly so I know very little about working with it. > I have a good friend that builds super modifieds. Of course they are > made with c/m tubing. Another good friend is a crew chief on a funny > car. From what I understand there has been a real hassle among funny > car builders about heat treating or normalizing c/m. .... Doug Odom in big ditch From jdincau at qnet.com Fri Oct 5 21:33:34 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:33:34 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net><008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop> <4706CA71.10708@charter.net> Message-ID: <000301c807c9$acdf10a0$0500000a@Den> Hi all, For what it's worth a friend of mine at Lockheed, Leroy Pane, was one of A. J. Watson's part time engineers. He said the only reason they used chrome molly tubing on Indy roadsters was that it could be straightened more times than a mild steel chassis, it wasn't any stronger. Jim Dincau From joyseydevil at comcast.net Fri Oct 5 21:36:49 2007 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:36:49 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] WARNING(virus check bypassed): Re: Another chrome-moly rant?? Message-ID: <000801c807ca$210ae710$9f3d2544@john> > Chrome-moly for chassis construction scares the BG's out of me. Way too > many variables for any kind of cutting edge racing application unless > you've > got some pretty experienced engineering heads watching over both the > design/build as well as the operation/maintenance. >From my experience building and front halfing dragsters 4130 tubing has no faults as long as it's gas or tig welded . I've heated and straightened race damaged tubing ahead of the engine on mine and others with no problems . I believe 4130 tube is normally in an annealed state so welding doesn't soften it . The only problem would be doing something that hardened it like quenching it while it's hot . The manganese , chromium and molybdenum are less that 2 1/2% so it's weight is virtually the same as mild steel . The only benefit is allowing smaller or thinner tube . My streamliner chassis is all mild steel . From rbuck at xmission.com Fri Oct 5 21:45:45 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:45:45 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] An amusing photo from WF Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071005212909.037e1688@xmission.com> Yesterday I was at the start line as Jo Coddington was about to make many of her runs on the long course. I happened to snap this picture: http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_293r8.jpg It had crossed my mind previously (as I was talking with Wes Potter) but I didn't realize what I had until I looked at the shot. The dark line in the upper left-hand corner is what I heard referred to as "Boyd's Canyon" (You can blame that one on PorkPie); the little gouge in the salt that seems to have had something to do with motorhomes and wreckers. I found the irony somewhat amusing. I'm not taking sides here...just making an observation about the interesting way a shot turned out. Btw, from my (lunatic) fringe position, it seemed to me that the Coddington team did a fine job of being a race team. I found them to be polite and friendly and low-key...but that's just one old fart's opinion. Your mileage may vary. I tried to put more emphasis on detail and eye-catching shots in the 2 days I was there. I guess I'll see how the photos are received to determine if it was a success. But I got a lotta pics to choose from. :) I sure enjoyed my time on the salt. I really love the atmosphere at WF. I'm already crossing fingers and considering a sacrifice to the weather gods for next year. :) Ray the (canyon) Rat ps to Tomas: I'll get the pics I promised to you asap. You do a good "Walk like an Egyptian" act. I liked that one. (Yeah, I know...I started it.) Same holds true for your pics, Mayf. Maybe if you tried the Egyption thing I could get 'em done quicker. LOL! From Want1937hd at aol.com Sat Oct 6 06:05:55 2007 From: Want1937hd at aol.com (Want1937hd at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:05:55 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] An amusing photo from WF Message-ID: In a message dated 10/5/07 11:44:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rbuck at xmission.com writes: http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_293r8.jpg Thanks for posting the photo! Photo links are rare on The List very much appreciated by people like me who haven't been to the Salt yet. Did Jo get a record and red hat? Too bad the canyon construction will be the part people will remember, the TV show that featured them at Speed Week was one of the best. Either someone new filmed the show or they all came with different attitrudes.(yeah, that was misspelt, but I'm leaving it) Bob in connecticut ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From gmc6power at earthlink.net Sat Oct 6 08:52:25 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 07:52:25 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] An amusing photo from WF References: <7.0.1.0.2.20071005212909.037e1688@xmission.com> Message-ID: <001e01c80828$82857ec0$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> I went to their little Subway-Beer shindig on Wednesday afternoon after an invitation from the Amzoil filter rep who was with thenm all week. All paied for by Amzoil. Earlier in the the day he was at the ERC trailer as we pushed by and hailed a ride down to the starting line with us. A very congenial gentleman with years of filter knowledge and obvious sales experience. The only thing I found funny about the whole thing for the3 days I was there was Jo never took off her firesuit. She folded down the sleeves and tied them arround her waste. Believe me it was not that cold. She was not the only doing it. Personally unless you are told to do it by your sponsors or it's an ego thing I cannot see why you would want to spend any time in one even in Octber. I had mine off as quick and the push truck came down to pick me up. I though the handled everything quite well......IMO Jo looks better in person than TV. Subject: [Land-speed] An amusing photo from WF > Yesterday I was at the start line as Jo Coddington was about to make > many of her runs on the long course. I happened to snap this picture: From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Sat Oct 6 12:35:07 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:35:07 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Another chrome-moly rant?? In-Reply-To: <003201c807b1$229e88c0$6401a8c0@S> References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net><008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop> <4706CA71.10708@charter.net> <003201c807b1$229e88c0$6401a8c0@S> Message-ID: <4707D55B.8040604@wildblue.net> Ed, About 20-30 years ago an East Coast Modified series banned chrome moly in the front clip because it either did not give, causing severe injury/death to the driver or it broke, causing severe injury/death to the driver. For safety reasons I think deformable steel should be forward of the front wheels and aft of the rear wheels. No, no, no, not a new rule -- just a suggestion. Bryan Ed Weldon wrote: > Chrome-moly for chassis construction scares the BG's out of me. Way too > many variables for any kind of cutting edge racing application unless you've > got some pretty experienced engineering heads watching over both the > design/build as well as the operation/maintenance. > IMHO worse than worthless for LSR or any kind of amateur racing for that > matter. > Well, maybe I'd make an exception for little British sports cars like Lotus > 7's with their silver soldered "birdcage" frames.... as long as they're > powered with "little British" engines. > Ed Weldon > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "DougOdom" >>> To: "Landspeed List" >>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:54 PM >>> Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car >>> >> Bill, I started this thread for the people that are building a car out >> of chrome moly tubing. In all the race cars I have built ( over 20 ) I >> have never used chrome moly so I know very little about working with it. >> I have a good friend that builds super modifieds. Of course they are >> made with c/m tubing. Another good friend is a crew chief on a funny >> car. From what I understand there has been a real hassle among funny >> car builders about heat treating or normalizing c/m. .... Doug Odom in big >> > ditch > _______________________________________________ > b.a.savage at earthlink.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From BWANA343 at aol.com Sat Oct 6 16:12:01 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:12:01 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] An amusing photo from WF/edge of LSR Message-ID: In a message dated 10/6/2007 10:52:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gmc6power at earthlink.net writes: Jo never took off her firesuit. She folded down the sleeves and tied them arround her waste. Believe me it was not that cold. pick me up. IMO Jo looks better in person than TV. Maybe she goes Commando under her Suit ? Let's assume (hopefully) that she has a collection of identical tailored matching Fire-Suits, specifically the high dollar ones that breathe and allow both comfort and that sophisticated International racer look. She's a TV star, they do not have B.O. Now if it was KaTurk in his purple village people flamer suit, we'd know it was the only one in existance ( Tank Gawd), and condemn him roundly... again. What do YOU wear under your SFI/20 ? Bob, nomex long johns w/ escape flap,W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Oct 6 16:20:52 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 15:20:52 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] OT, non LSR 383 Chevy Motor Message-ID: <47080A44.2080601@mayfco.com> Ok, by some long stretch though my wife's step dad, a young 20 something (like maybe 21 or so) called me to ask about chevy 383 stroker motors. He has a deuce coupe he wants to put one in. Trouble is, he has very little basic knowledge, or money, to get the job done. He thinks he wants someone to build him a turn key 383. He hands over money, gets fully running 383 in exchange. Unfortunately he has no clue as to what this should cost. He wants it to make 450 hp or there abouts. Pump gas. SOmething that will be fun to drive on the weekends with a little track time thrown in. So the questions are, how much should a motor like this cost. Something reliable for a youngster? SOmething that can also cruise down the freeway without having to stop for gas at every station. But still smoke the tires. I have no clue regards chevies. Some of you guys are true experts at this. What can he get for his money and I do not know how much that might be. Anybody want to correspond with me on this? If you know or build these things, please shoot me an email and maybe we can get the kid into a dialog on what he wants, needs can afford. mayf From gmc6power at earthlink.net Sat Oct 6 22:13:57 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:13:57 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] OT, non LSR 383 Chevy Motor References: <47080A44.2080601@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <001201c80898$7c909340$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> Go to www.summittracing.com , www.jegs.com or go to any GM dealership and ask for a GM performance catalog and pick one out The are all around $4000 for 400hp > I have no clue regards chevies. Some of you guys are true experts at > this. What can he get for his money and I do not know how much that > might be. From dmirror3 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 6 22:44:17 2007 From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] OT, non LSR 383 Chevy Motor In-Reply-To: <001201c80898$7c909340$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> Message-ID: <36773.45931.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> add 2,000 to accommodate the "Trouble is, he has very little basic knowledge...to get the job done." aggravation factor. "J.D. Tone" wrote: Go to www.summittracing.com , www.jegs.com or go to any GM dealership and ask for a GM performance catalog and pick one out The are all around $4000 for 400hp > I have no clue regards chevies. Some of you guys are true experts at > this. What can he get for his money and I do not know how much that > might be. _______________________________________________ dmirror3 at yahoo.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed Truth is what you're stuck with once you beat the shit out of hope --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. From gmc6power at earthlink.net Sat Oct 6 23:05:30 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 22:05:30 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] OT, non LSR 383 Chevy Motor References: <36773.45931.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c8089f$af859a50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> Hey he just wanted an engine and these all have a guarrentee; there are a bunch more listed in National Dragster as crate engines. If you don't have a shop to do your work or how to do it, buying a kit isn't for you. By the time your done with incidentals, trans and the like it will be low buck at 10 grand. But we all learn and start somewhere. > add 2,000 to accommodate the From dmirror3 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 7 02:07:55 2007 From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 01:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] OT, non LSR 383 Chevy Motor In-Reply-To: <000801c8089f$af859a50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> Message-ID: <924499.91931.qm@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com> There you go buddy, we're saying the same thing. He gets more than we got, yet we all pay for the lessons we've earned. "J.D. Tone" wrote: Hey he just wanted an engine and these all have a guarrentee; there are a bunch more listed in National Dragster as crate engines. If you don't have a shop to do your work or how to do it, buying a kit isn't for you. By the time your done with incidentals, trans and the like it will be low buck at 10 grand. But we all learn and start somewhere. > add 2,000 to accommodate the _______________________________________________ dmirror3 at yahoo.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Oct 7 10:10:55 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:10:55 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Missing Rpm... Message-ID: <4709050F.6020006@mayfco.com> Ok, I have scanned the data logs from Speed Week and World Finals. I n August I hurt the motor when boost went to 18+ and I maxed out the injectors and one went a bit lean. Rpm was around 5300 give or take a few rpm. At WF, I reduced boost to aroud 10 psi, had larger injectors and rpm still was around 5300 rpm give or take a few. Speeds were right at 180 mph in all three cases. I have hardware that should at least buzz to 6000, but when it get to that 5300 rpm point it just will not go any higher give or take a few rpm. So, I am soliciting ideas of where to look. Remember, hurt motor rpm was same as refreshed motor rpm. It ran well this time but still bumped up against the rpm barrier... I have a new spark box as well, plugs all looked great. Used 100 octane racing fule in August, A8C this time. Much less spark lead at WF that SW but still the same rpm. Any thoughts here? Off list is ok, cause I know this bores the crap out just about everybody else... mayf From mactem at mebtel.net Sun Oct 7 10:42:44 2007 From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:42:44 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Missing Rpm... Message-ID: <003101c80901$15de3300$0300a8c0@brightstar> Drmayf, What is the upper rpm in lower gears? David From Flowbench at aol.com Sun Oct 7 10:49:17 2007 From: Flowbench at aol.com (Flowbench at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:49:17 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Missing Rpm... Message-ID: What is it you have that makes you say it "should" run to 6000 rpm? Give us an idea what you have in the engine, cam spec lifter type, etc. Speed is held to the max power your making, in your car 180 might be 525 to 575 hp. If thats all you got thats all the rpm you can pull with your cars aero. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From rbuck at xmission.com Sun Oct 7 11:50:22 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:50:22 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] An amusing photo from WF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071007114542.038440b8@xmission.com> At 06:05 AM 10/06/2007, Want1937hd at aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/5/07 11:44:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >rbuck at xmission.com writes: >http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_293r8.jpg > >Thanks for posting the photo! Photo links are rare on The List very >much appreciated by people like me who haven't been to the Salt yet. You're very welcome. If you wanna check out pics from WoS, they're at: http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wos/Welcome.html I'm working on the WF pics and hope to have 'em up on the server soon. I'll post something to the list when it's done. >Did Jo get a record and red hat? No. Her best run was the last run she made on Thursday at 182.886 in the final mile. But they seemed to be getting faster with each run. "Just wait til next year." :) >Too bad the canyon construction will be the part people will >remember, the TV show that featured them at Speed Week was one of >the best. Either someone new filmed the show or they all came with >different attitrudes.(yeah, that was misspelt, but I'm leaving it) >Bob in connecticut I wouldn't know about the show...I don't watch much tv. But I sure enjoyed my time at both WoS and WF. Ray the Rat From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Sun Oct 7 12:50:12 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:50:12 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] OT, non LSR 383 Chevy Motor In-Reply-To: <000801c8089f$af859a50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> References: <36773.45931.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <000801c8089f$af859a50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> Message-ID: <47092A64.9080306@wildblue.net> JD is right on target! I hate to sound negative but if he was given an engine, he would still need to pay someone to make engine mounts, select a transmission, fuel system and design, make and install a complex wiring system. The young man has a huge problem: He doesn't know what he doesn't know. That's the perfect setup for making big mistakes. I don't know what he really wants, but his request for an engine is just an expression (symptom) of what he really wants. This is just my crazy opinion, Bryan J.D. Tone wrote: > Hey he just wanted an engine and these all have a guarrentee; there are a > bunch more listed in National Dragster as crate engines. If you don't have a > shop to do your work or how to do it, buying a kit isn't for you. By the > time your done with incidentals, trans and the like it will be low buck at > 10 grand. But we all learn and start somewhere. From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Oct 7 13:31:28 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:31:28 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Missing Rpm... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47093410.4090406@mayfco.com> Flowbench at aol.com wrote: > What is it you have that makes you say it "should" run to 6000 rpm? > Give us an idea what you have in the engine, cam spec lifter type, etc. > > Speed is held to the max power your making, in your car 180 might be > 525 to 575 hp. If thats all you got thats all the rpm you can pull > with your cars aero. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's new at AOL.com > and Make AOL Your > Homepage . FlowBench (you got a name?), Doug... Ok, my motor is a DSS racing short block. Has 4.030 turbo forged pistons, 8.5 to 1 comp, perfect seal rings, 3.00 stroke. AFR 205 cc heads (314 cfm intake and 268 or so ex), 1.6 inch dia inconel ex valves, 2.08 SS intake valves, beehive valve springs, procomp roller rockers, roller hyd lifters, Ford F303 cam, 0.512 intake/ex lift at valve, torker 2 single plane manifold with efi bungs, 95mm throttle body, twin T3 turbos, with external waste gates, 60 #/hr injectors, 90 mm Mass air flow meter, Mian girdle and windage tray. Ford EEC computer system with tuner plug in. Shorty headers leading to turbos. MSD 6A spark box. A8C fuel. Car weighs 2500 pounds. Drag coefficient is around 0.38. Frontal area is about 14 sq ft. Tires are Bonneville LSR at 28.5 inches tall. Rear gear is 2.50. Trans is AOD. There is no sign of valve sloat, or rev limiting like killing spark or fuel randomly. Runs like a banshee righ up to where it wont go higher. Now, folks, I have several sets of engine simulation software, several sets of car dynamics software and it all says this should be good to go. What I asked for was things that might be looked at for in an effort to find the missing ropms. I think there is a funky scalar in the tuner program that is preventing it from going any faster. Why? well, last AUgust when I broke it, it was making lots more hp than it is making now, and the speed was the same. In August I made 18 psig manifold pressure. Right now I am running about 10 and the speed is the same. If it turns out that I need a lower rear gear, I have a 2.74 or something like that. I also have 3.25 and 3.89 sets. I don't think this is the problem however. Could there be someting in the AOD tranny itself that prevents it goping more? I don't think so, but auto tranny are magic anyway. So something coul dbe wrong I guess. How about torque converter? Anyway that could limit the rpm? I do not use overdrive so the lockup is not on. mayf From wester6935 at comcast.net Sun Oct 7 16:31:27 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:31:27 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] OT, non LSR 383 Chevy Motor Message-ID: <100720072231.29489.47095E3F0008D077000073312209224627CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> That Speedway Motors steel '32 roadster is turnkey with everything installed, finished, beautifully done and all you need is the engine and transmission. He is the ideal candidate for one of those. He could have a reliable driver with a crate engine and transmission w/warranty, professionally installed, for under $60,000. Those cars are specifically aimed at guys like him. You could even add fenders if you wanted. Wes -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bryan Savage > JD is right on target! > > I hate to sound negative but if he was given an engine, he would still need > to pay someone to make engine mounts, select a transmission, fuel system and > design, make and install a complex wiring system. > > The young man has a huge problem: > He doesn't know what he doesn't know. > That's the perfect setup for making big mistakes. > > I don't know what he really wants, but his request for an engine is just an > expression (symptom) of what he really wants. > > This is just my crazy opinion, > Bryan > > > > J.D. Tone wrote: > > Hey he just wanted an engine and these all have a guarrentee; there are a > > bunch more listed in National Dragster as crate engines. If you don't have a > > shop to do your work or how to do it, buying a kit isn't for you. By the > > time your done with incidentals, trans and the like it will be low buck at > > 10 grand. But we all learn and start somewhere. > _______________________________________________ > wester6935 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From 23.weldon at comcast.net Sun Oct 7 18:52:24 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:52:24 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] OT, non LSR 383 Chevy Motor References: <100720072231.29489.47095E3F0008D077000073312209224627CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001801c80945$80f21000$6401a8c0@S> It would be interesting to see how well one of these turnkey 32 roadsters would hold it's value in a resale situation. I suspect a new Corvette would do better. The price one would have to pay for inividuality. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Bryan Savage" ; "J.D. Tone" Cc: "LSR" Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT, non LSR 383 Chevy Motor > That Speedway Motors steel '32 roadster is turnkey with everything installed, finished, beautifully done and all you need is the engine and transmission. He is the ideal candidate for one of those. He could have a reliable driver with a crate engine and transmission w/warranty, professionally installed, for under $60,000. Those cars are specifically aimed at guys like him. You could even add fenders if you wanted. > Wes From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 7 23:36:00 2007 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:36:00 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Grumpy Old Men Liner [ definitely LSR Dave ; -) ] Message-ID: G.O.M. went for $30,000 today on an eBay auction... [marketed by a " mobilia auctions" ] item # http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename =STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140161969710&rd=1 -on an 'auction estimate' of US $50,000.00 - US $60,000.00 I imagine there are some very disappointed people out there tonite.... bummer. At least I hope we'll see it again racing though... "the easiest way to make a small fortune auto racing, is to start with a big fortune" -anon cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLt agline From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Oct 8 08:24:01 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:24:01 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] FIA MEET Message-ID: <001c01c809b6$dfda1b50$6401a8c0@Glens> They are running, the 1st one to run will be the Nish streamliner. See www.landracing.com for updates through the day and meet. Glen From wester6935 at comcast.net Mon Oct 8 08:24:10 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:24:10 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Grumpy Old Men Liner [ definitely LSR Dave ; -) ] Message-ID: <100820071424.10515.470A3D89000F1716000029132207020853CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Joe was asking $100,000 for the car a couple of years ago with a fresh engine and some other accessories. He sold it to this museum thinking it would be out of circulation permanently. Can't always plan on how things will turn out. The buyer got a great race car! At the record run time of 350 and change one way, this is a car with great potential. It was the fast car at Speedweek a few years back with a rookie girl driving it. Wes -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Doug Anderson > G.O.M. went for $30,000 today on an eBay auction... > > [marketed by a " mobilia auctions" ] > > item # > http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename > =STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140161969710&rd=1 > > -on an 'auction estimate' of US $50,000.00 - US $60,000.00 > > > I imagine there are some very disappointed people out there tonite.... > > bummer. > > At least I hope we'll see it again racing though... > > > > "the easiest way to make a small fortune auto racing, is to start with a big > fortune" > > -anon > > > > > cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by > today. > http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLt > agline > _______________________________________________ > wester6935 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From rbuck at xmission.com Mon Oct 8 08:39:42 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:39:42 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Grumpy Old Men Liner [ definitely LSR Dave ; -) ] In-Reply-To: <100820071424.10515.470A3D89000F1716000029132207020853CACCC 7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> References: <100820071424.10515.470A3D89000F1716000029132207020853CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071008083803.03805188@xmission.com> Yep...great car. Here's a picture of it leaving the start line for the 350+ run with the young lady at the wheel: http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2003/sw/030822_29r8_jpg.html RtR At 08:24 AM 10/08/2007, wester6935 at comcast.net wrote: >Joe was asking $100,000 for the car a couple of years ago with a >fresh engine and some other accessories. He sold it to this museum >thinking it would be out of circulation permanently. Can't always >plan on how things will turn out. The buyer got a great race >car! At the record run time of 350 and change one way, this is a >car with great potential. It was the fast car at Speedweek a few >years back with a rookie girl driving it. > >Wes > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: Doug Anderson > > G.O.M. went for $30,000 today on an eBay auction... > > > > [marketed by a " mobilia auctions" ] > > > > item # > > > http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&sspagename > > =STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=140161969710&rd=1 > > > > -on an 'auction estimate' of US $50,000.00 - US $60,000.00 > > > > > > I imagine there are some very disappointed people out there tonite.... > > > > bummer. > > > > At least I hope we'll see it again racing though... > > > > > > > > "the easiest way to make a small fortune auto racing, is to start > with a big > > fortune" > > > > -anon > > > > > > > > > > cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by > > today. > > > http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLt > > agline > > _______________________________________________ > > wester6935 at comcast.net > > > > Land-speed mailing list > > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed >_______________________________________________ >rbuck at xmission.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ed at vetteracing.com Mon Oct 8 09:33:53 2007 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:33:53 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] FIA MEET Message-ID: Anybody else having problems getting on the message boards?????? Ed >-----Original Message----- >From: Glen Barrett [mailto:speedtimer at beyondbb.com] >Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 07:24 AM >To: landspeed at autox.team.net >Subject: [Land-speed] FIA MEET > >They are running, the 1st one to run will be the Nish streamliner. See >www.landracing.com for updates through the day and meet. >Glen From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Oct 8 09:37:27 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:37:27 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] FIA MEET References: Message-ID: <003801c809c1$224403c0$6401a8c0@Glens> Ed,list I think Jon is doing a update while on the salt. Should be back on soon Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Van Scoy To: Glen Barrett ; landspeed at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] FIA MEET Anybody else having problems getting on the message boards?????? Ed >-----Original Message----- >From: Glen Barrett [mailto:speedtimer at beyondbb.com] >Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 07:24 AM >To: landspeed at autox.team.net >Subject: [Land-speed] FIA MEET > >They are running, the 1st one to run will be the Nish streamliner. See >www.landracing.com for updates through the day and meet. >Glen From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Oct 8 09:38:35 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:38:35 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] FIA MEET References: Message-ID: <003f01c809c1$4a715aa0$6401a8c0@Glens> It's back on Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Van Scoy To: Glen Barrett ; landspeed at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] FIA MEET Anybody else having problems getting on the message boards?????? Ed >-----Original Message----- >From: Glen Barrett [mailto:speedtimer at beyondbb.com] >Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 07:24 AM >To: landspeed at autox.team.net >Subject: [Land-speed] FIA MEET > >They are running, the 1st one to run will be the Nish streamliner. See >www.landracing.com for updates through the day and meet. >Glen From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Oct 8 09:50:27 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:50:27 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] FIA MEET References: <003f01c809c1$4a715aa0$6401a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: <004a01c809c2$f2c34cd0$6401a8c0@Glens> Just talked to Jon Amo on the salt, Nish is towing down to the 11 mile and will make his first run toward the highway. Should be in the next few minutes. Keep posted to landracing for update. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Barrett" To: "Ed Van Scoy" ; "landspeed at autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] FIA MEET > It's back on > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Van Scoy > To: Glen Barrett ; landspeed at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] FIA MEET > > > Anybody else having problems getting on the message boards?????? > > Ed > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Glen Barrett [mailto:speedtimer at beyondbb.com] > >Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 07:24 AM > >To: landspeed at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Land-speed] FIA MEET > > > >They are running, the 1st one to run will be the Nish streamliner. See > >www.landracing.com for updates through the day and meet. > >Glen > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Oct 8 11:15:10 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:15:10 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] FIA MEET References: <003f01c809c1$4a715aa0$6401a8c0@Glens> <004a01c809c2$f2c34cd0$6401a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: <006a01c809ce$c8b7c9a0$6401a8c0@Glens> Nish aborted 1st run and coasted thru the lights at 230.XXX mph. Reason not known for shut off at this time. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Barrett" To: "Glen Barrett" ; "Ed Van Scoy" ; "landspeed at autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] FIA MEET > Just talked to Jon Amo on the salt, Nish is towing down to the 11 mile and > will make his first run toward the highway. Should be in the next few > minutes. Keep posted to landracing for update. > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Barrett" > To: "Ed Van Scoy" ; "landspeed at autox.team.net" > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] FIA MEET > > >> It's back on >> Glen >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ed Van Scoy >> To: Glen Barrett ; landspeed at autox.team.net >> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] FIA MEET >> >> >> Anybody else having problems getting on the message boards?????? >> >> Ed >> >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Glen Barrett [mailto:speedtimer at beyondbb.com] >> >Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 07:24 AM >> >To: landspeed at autox.team.net >> >Subject: [Land-speed] FIA MEET >> > >> >They are running, the 1st one to run will be the Nish streamliner. See >> >www.landracing.com for updates through the day and meet. >> >Glen >> _______________________________________________ >> speedtimer at beyondbb.com >> >> Land-speed mailing list >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From sparky.2211 at cox.net Mon Oct 8 12:01:02 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:01:02 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Roadkill Message-ID: <1E14321398644CE8BCEA572164300EEF@LMS> We had a WF with many contridictions---4:00 AM south of Caliente NV we encounted a Heard of Wild Horses tha tried to keep us away by challenging us to a Race!!!!! Both the truck and 1 one of the horses LOST---no humans hurt at all. I called Jim Price and Mr. Bill and caught them before turning of on NV hwy 318 and they picked us up ---after off loading the gear from the dead truck and hooking up to the trailer. We had severall niggling issues that we were not able to put to bed and never fired the eng.---WILL not happen again---will never leave home with out a race ready car.---MY fault ---for not catching and correcting some shoddy workmanship done by a local shop on the suspension!!!!!!!!!!! Sparky AA/_ L 2211 From kturk at ala.net Mon Oct 8 12:35:43 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:35:43 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Ole Blue hair... and the Stink'in Lincoln Message-ID: <00e401c809da$0a2e5bf0$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> So I get this call a while back from "ole Blue hair"... ( informally known as JT Nesbitt )... He's going to build a Stinking Lincoln drug up from the dreg's of Hurricane Katrina... it's a Mark 8 or some such thing... a real POS... but his dream or Vision as the case maybe is to drive the thing to Bville from New Orleans and run 200mph and then drive it home... Being a dreamer is nothing new to our sport... but this guy was out there.... only a while later he asked me to come give him a pre-inspection... so off we go... the car's fine... JT's,,, Well JT... and the project actually comes off fairly nicely... they drive the thing out there... run 162mph and drive it home... the car's been a real awaking for him in that he's a Scooter hound... not a "real Car guy" All and all a great project... So then I get this call from JT that he's doing a Documentary on the whole effort and the bit of Filming we did down there needs a bit of buffing up.... Hmmm So he rides up here to Enterprise Alabama on his UJB... ( universal Jap Bike )... and we do a few hours of video ... spend the evening and day together and truly had a great time.... Life is GOOD... Keith From lsr1301 at dahmurf.com Mon Oct 8 12:44:26 2007 From: lsr1301 at dahmurf.com (DahMurf) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:44:26 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Chris "Dad" Land's mom passed away... In-Reply-To: <00e401c809da$0a2e5bf0$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> References: <00e401c809da$0a2e5bf0$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <20071008184220.M22995@dahmurf.com> Some of you may remember Chris "Dad" Land from Lone Eagle Motorcycles. He's not been racing with us for a few years due to his mother being ill. While he was racing with the ECTA he served as head motorcycle tech and motorcycle impound. He was also a motorcycle tech out at Bonneville. Dad: http://www.ecta-lsr.com/people/Dad.jpg his bike: http://www.ecta-lsr.com/bikes/566.jpg His mother, Peggy Land, passed away Saturday morning. There will be a service on Thursday, 10/11 at 4pm at the Bordwine Funeral Home in Etowah, TN. Bordwine Funeral Home 203 Ohio Avenue Etowah, TN 37331 Telephone: 423-263-7033 Fax: 423-263-5934 The following is a link to the online obituary and guest book: http://tinyurl.com/yp84gb Please keep Dad and his family in your prayers during this difficult time. I know he's not been able to be online much if at all so I will print any posts directed to him and be sure he recieves them via snail mail. From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Oct 8 13:03:50 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:03:50 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Un-offical FIA record Message-ID: <00ab01c809dd$f69d8580$6401a8c0@Glens> Charles Nearburg set a FIA record at 359.404 Kilo and a 359.245 Mile for a two way avg. This is the old Earl Wooden streamliner.Official results should be posted shortly. See www.landracing.com for updates on all runs. Glen From neil at dbelltech.com Mon Oct 8 13:30:51 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:30:51 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car In-Reply-To: <000301c807c9$acdf10a0$0500000a@Den> References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net><008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop><4706CA71.10708@charter.net> <000301c807c9$acdf10a0$0500000a@Den> Message-ID: <005701c809e1$bcdf9500$0200a8c0@DBTech> Jim; There are two "strengths" to consider-- the yield strength and the ultimate strength. Yield strength has to do with how much you can deform the material until it won't go back to its original shape. If you slightly bend a bar of mild steel, it will straighten itself back out when you let it go, bend it further and at some point it takes a permanent set. You have exceeded its yield strength when that happens. If you bend it even further it will break when you exceed its ultimate strength. The region between "bent" and "broken" is where energy is absorbed by the structure. Mild steel absorbs a lot of energy while 4130N is ultimately stronger but absorbs somewhat less energy. An extreme example is glass; it has surprisingly high ultimate strength but its yield strength is exactly the same as its ultimate strength. At room temperature you can't make a permanent bend in glass. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Dincau Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:34 PM To: DougOdom Cc: Landspeed List Subject: Re: [Land-speed] John Force car Hi all, For what it's worth a friend of mine at Lockheed, Leroy Pane, was one of A. J. Watson's part time engineers. He said the only reason they used chrome molly tubing on Indy roadsters was that it could be straightened more times than a mild steel chassis, it wasn't any stronger. Jim Dincau From neil at dbelltech.com Mon Oct 8 13:37:03 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:37:03 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Another chrome-moly rant?? In-Reply-To: <003201c807b1$229e88c0$6401a8c0@S> References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net><008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop><4706CA71.10708@charter.net> <003201c807b1$229e88c0$6401a8c0@S> Message-ID: <005801c809e2$9b1172d0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Ed; There is no need to be frightened of chrome moly tubing, you only need to be careful. The common grade to use is 4130N; "N" means "normalized" and this grade has an ability to be welded. TIG is best but lots of airplanes were built using gas welded 4130N. "Fillet brazing" is another good technique that was discussed on this list in the past. A good book is "How to Weld Danmed Near Anything". Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Weldon Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 5:38 PM To: DougOdom; Bill Bennett Cc: Landspeed List Subject: [Land-speed] Another chrome-moly rant?? Chrome-moly for chassis construction scares the BG's out of me. Way too many variables for any kind of cutting edge racing application unless you've got some pretty experienced engineering heads watching over both the design/build as well as the operation/maintenance. IMHO worse than worthless for LSR or any kind of amateur racing for that matter. Well, maybe I'd make an exception for little British sports cars like Lotus 7's with their silver soldered "birdcage" frames.... as long as they're powered with "little British" engines. Ed Weldon > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "DougOdom" > > To: "Landspeed List" > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:54 PM > > Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car > Bill, I started this thread for the people that are building a car out > of chrome moly tubing. In all the race cars I have built ( over 20 ) I > have never used chrome moly so I know very little about working with it. > I have a good friend that builds super modifieds. Of course they are > made with c/m tubing. Another good friend is a crew chief on a funny > car. From what I understand there has been a real hassle among funny > car builders about heat treating or normalizing c/m. .... Doug Odom in big ditch From piggy at accessatc.net Mon Oct 8 13:38:26 2007 From: piggy at accessatc.net (don thigpen) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:38:26 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net><008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop><4706CA71.10708@charter.net><000301c807c9$acdf10a0$0500000a@Den> <005701c809e1$bcdf9500$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <022401c809e2$cbb7fa30$9a7f51d8@your4105e587b6> kinda correct , go here for more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_(engineering) don t evo power & machine www.accessatc.net/~piggy www.snartracing.com SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES..... THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING... BUT THEY STILL BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN YOU PUSH THEM DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS. From wester6935 at comcast.net Mon Oct 8 13:39:26 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:39:26 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Un-offical FIA record Message-ID: <100820071939.4564.470A876E00059D24000011D42207300033CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Previously the Howard Nafzger liner ... at least he built it. Howard had to sell it when his back problems wouldn't allow him to sit in it or work on it. Wooden bought it and sold it to Nearburg. Somewhere along the way they lengthened it by seven feet, put in a suspension on the rear and some more minor changes. Wes -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Glen Barrett" > Charles Nearburg set a FIA record at 359.404 Kilo and a 359.245 Mile for a > two way avg. This is the old Earl Wooden streamliner.Official results should > be posted shortly. See www.landracing.com for updates on all runs. > Glen From piggy at accessatc.net Mon Oct 8 13:40:31 2007 From: piggy at accessatc.net (don thigpen) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:40:31 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net><008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop><4706CA71.10708@charter.net><000301c807c9$acdf10a0$0500000a@Den><005701c809e1$bcdf9500$0200a8c0@DBTech> <022401c809e2$cbb7fa30$9a7f51d8@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <022d01c809e3$162663e0$9a7f51d8@your4105e587b6> oops that link dont work , google for " yield strength " don t evo power & machine www.accessatc.net/~piggy www.snartracing.com SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES..... THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING... BUT THEY STILL BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN YOU PUSH THEM DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS. From ed at vetteracing.com Mon Oct 8 14:12:34 2007 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:12:34 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] FIA MEET Message-ID: I figgered he prolly had his hands full. Ed -----Original Message----- From: Glen Barrett [mailto:speedtimer at beyondbb.com] Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 08:37 AM To: 'Ed Van Scoy', landspeed at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Land-speed] FIA MEET Ed,list I think Jon is doing a update while on the salt. Should be back on soon Glen ----- Original Message ----- From:Ed Van Scoy To:Glen Barrett ; landspeed at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] FIA MEET Anybody else having problems getting on the message boards?????? Ed From neil at dbelltech.com Mon Oct 8 15:24:54 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:24:54 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car In-Reply-To: <022401c809e2$cbb7fa30$9a7f51d8@your4105e587b6> References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net><008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop><4706CA71.10708@charter.net><000301c807c9$acdf10a0$0500000a@Den> <005701c809e1$bcdf9500$0200a8c0@DBTech> <022401c809e2$cbb7fa30$9a7f51d8@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <006101c809f1$ab609120$0200a8c0@DBTech> Just tryin' to keep it simple, Don. Thanks for the link. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: don thigpen [mailto:piggy at accessatc.net] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:38 PM To: neil at dbelltech.com; 'Jim Dincau'; 'DougOdom' Cc: 'Landspeed List' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] John Force car kinda correct , go here for more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_(engineering) don t evo power & machine www.accessatc.net/~piggy www.snartracing.com SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES..... THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING... BUT THEY STILL BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN YOU PUSH THEM DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS. From 23.weldon at comcast.net Mon Oct 8 15:43:03 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net><008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop><4706CA71.10708@charter.net><000301c807c9$acdf10a0$0500000a@Den><005701c809e1$bcdf9500$0200a8c0@DBTech> <022401c809e2$cbb7fa30$9a7f51d8@your4105e587b6> Message-ID: <004c01c809f4$434ae0b0$6401a8c0@S> Don-- Interesting that you pick that wikipedia example. Perhaps the reason that there is no article written on that web page is that the subject is not easily put into words. Neil's aim was pretty good. And just a few words at that...... I know a lot of good wrenches who I wouldn't allow to build a 4130 fabrication for my car. And my name is at the very top of that list. And that may be part of the reason I've always stayed away from messing with airplanes. Ed Weldon If I can measure it I can make it; but if I can't measure it I'm sure not gonna trust it with my bod. ----- Original Message ----- From: "don thigpen" To: ; "'Jim Dincau'" ; "'DougOdom'" Cc: "'Landspeed List'" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] John Force car > kinda correct , go here for more info > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yield_(engineering) > don t > evo power & machine > www.accessatc.net/~piggy > www.snartracing.com > SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES..... THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOOD FOR > ANYTHING... BUT THEY STILL BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN YOU PUSH THEM > DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS. From piggy at accessatc.net Mon Oct 8 15:47:53 2007 From: piggy at accessatc.net (don thigpen) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:47:53 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] John Force car References: <4705610D.7070505@charter.net><008e01c80783$efdf5400$6401a8c0@homedesktop><4706CA71.10708@charter.net><000301c807c9$acdf10a0$0500000a@Den><005701c809e1$bcdf9500$0200a8c0@DBTech> <022401c809e2$cbb7fa30$9a7f51d8@your4105e587b6> <004c01c809f4$434ae0b0$6401a8c0@S> Message-ID: <024e01c809f4$e17db000$9a7f51d8@your4105e587b6> ed there is an article on wikipedia about it lol , i just got the link wrong as usual ( i aint the brightest bulb in the pack ) as for chrome moly tubing , when i built my drag truck the factor that convinced me to not use it is the fact that welds need to be stress relieved ( usually ) and i aint that smart . for the average builder it is prudent to just use mild steel as the weight savings from using the thinner chrome moly is not that great . if i were to build an aircraft ( which i aint ) then i would probably learn how to use the lighter chrome moly tubing . i dont think the weight savings is THAT big an advantage in a lsr vehicle , weight is king in a drag car ! don t. From adin at frontier.net Mon Oct 8 21:17:31 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:17:31 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Ole Blue hair... and the Stink'in Lincoln References: <00e401c809da$0a2e5bf0$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <001301c80a22$edb72df0$6501a8c0@ZTxp> That WAS quite a group - they mobbed me when I drove into the pits (in my black Lincoln) and we had a great time throughout the weekend. http://images27.fotki.com/v990/photos/4/43175/5396525/wos2007088-vi.jpg?1190175603 That team had more fun than they knew what to do with . . . David in Durango ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Ole Blue hair... and the Stink'in Lincoln > So I get this call a while back from "ole Blue hair"... ( informally known > as > JT Nesbitt )... > > He's going to build a Stinking Lincoln drug up from the dreg's of > Hurricane > Katrina... it's a Mark 8 or some such thing... a real POS... but his > dream or > Vision as the case maybe is to drive the thing to Bville from New Orleans > and > run 200mph and then drive it home... Being a dreamer is nothing new to > our > sport... but this guy was out there.... only a while later he asked me > to > come give him a pre-inspection... so off we go... the car's fine... > JT's,,, > Well JT... and the project actually comes off fairly nicely... they drive > the > thing out there... run 162mph and drive it home... the car's been a real > awaking for him in that he's a Scooter hound... not a "real Car guy" All > and > all a great project... > > So then I get this call from JT that he's doing a Documentary on the whole > effort and the bit of Filming we did down there needs a bit of buffing > up.... > Hmmm So he rides up here to Enterprise Alabama on his UJB... ( universal > Jap > Bike )... and we do a few hours of video ... spend the evening and day > together and truly had a great time.... > > Life is GOOD... > > Keith > _______________________________________________ > adin at frontier.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From wester6935 at comcast.net Tue Oct 9 07:47:24 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:47:24 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Nish FIA problem Message-ID: <100920071347.19619.470B866B000EB49B00004CA32200761438CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Here's the Deseret Morning News' article on the Nish engine failure: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695217046,00.html Ray Grass is a nice guy and he covers salt racing better than anyone else in the SLC media, mostly because of his friendship with Terry Nish. Please pardon his misspelling of George Poteet's name. Ths Salt Lake Tribune article only mentions Terry and Mike Nish: http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_7125897 Wes From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Oct 9 09:39:18 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:39:18 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] AN to Metric Fittings... Message-ID: <470BA0A6.1020404@mayfco.com> Anybody on the list that knows where I can find some -4 AN to metric thread size fittings? The metric size would be about 1/8 inch pipe thread size but in straight threads not tapered. mayf From joetimney at dol.net Tue Oct 9 10:54:53 2007 From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:54:53 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] AN to Metric Fittings... In-Reply-To: <470BA0A6.1020404@mayfco.com> References: <470BA0A6.1020404@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <470BB25D.6070207@dol.net> Try: www.fragolaperformance systems.com This is the FP rod end guy. joe drmayf wrote: > Anybody on the list that knows where I can find some -4 AN to metric > thread size fittings? The metric size would be about 1/8 inch pipe > thread size but in straight threads not tapered. > > mayf > _______________________________________________ From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Tue Oct 9 09:56:41 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:56:41 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] AN to Metric Fittings... References: <470BA0A6.1020404@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <007001c80a8c$fc330380$6401a8c0@Glens> Try Aeroquip ( Nelson-Dunn) in Los Angeles. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" To: "LSR" Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: [Land-speed] AN to Metric Fittings... > Anybody on the list that knows where I can find some -4 AN to metric > thread size fittings? The metric size would be about 1/8 inch pipe > thread size but in straight threads not tapered. > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From Flowbench at aol.com Tue Oct 9 09:56:25 2007 From: Flowbench at aol.com (Flowbench at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:56:25 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] AN to Metric Fittings... Message-ID: TMR, aka Torinos 714-771-1348 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From ifixmgs at cox.net Tue Oct 9 19:28:17 2007 From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:28:17 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Non Land-speed In Memoriam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071009212817.1Z059.143941.root@eastrmwml11> I remember that this guy was a featured guest at an ISDT event in northern California in 73 or 74 and I watched him leave all us young bucks with hung jaws - he made a borrowed bike do stuff that in retrospect was not that much different than what you might see on an episode of "Superbikes Meets Supercross" only he was riding dinosaur technology and was an "old man" in his 40's. Bud Ekins, a pioneering off-road motorcycle racer best known for his work as Steve McQueen's stunt double, died at his Hollywood home Saturday, October 6. He was 77. For years, movie fans thought McQueen jumped the barbed wire fence in 1963's "The Great Escape" and powered the Mustang through San Francisco in 1968's "Bullitt," but it was Ekins, who never spoke of it. Ekins was a successful off-road motorcycle racer, winning four gold medals and a silver in the International Six Day Trials in the 1960s. He held the #1 plate in California for seven years and founded the Baja 1,000. Later in life he owned up to 150 vintage motorcycles, 54 of which were separate American makes. From joetimney at dol.net Wed Oct 10 10:30:15 2007 From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:30:15 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Coverage of LSR by Jon Amo Message-ID: <470CFE17.8030404@dol.net> I would like to publicly thank Jon Amo for his LSR coverage this year. Although I was not able to attend the World Finals or the FIA meet, I got to enjoy the 'Drama' from my shop everyday. "Thanks Jon" Joe Timney From dlodom at charter.net Wed Oct 10 09:57:11 2007 From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:57:11 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Coverage of LSR by Jon Amo In-Reply-To: <470CFE17.8030404@dol.net> References: <470CFE17.8030404@dol.net> Message-ID: <470CF657.3090008@charter.net> Joe Timney wrote: >I would like to publicly thank Jon Amo for his LSR coverage this year. >Although I was not able to attend the World Finals or the FIA meet, I >got to enjoy the 'Drama' from my shop everyday. > >"Thanks Jon" > >Joe Timney >_______________________________________________ >dlodom at charter.net > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed > > > Yes Joe, I second that thought!!! Great job Jon. Doug Odom in big ditch From jon at infodestruction.com Wed Oct 10 10:31:09 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:31:09 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Coverage of LSR by Jon Amo In-Reply-To: <470CFE17.8030404@dol.net> References: <470CFE17.8030404@dol.net> Message-ID: On Oct 10, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Joe Timney wrote: I would like to publicly thank Jon Amo for his LSR coverage this year. Although I was not able to attend the World Finals or the FIA meet, I got to enjoy the 'Drama' from my shop everyday. "Thanks Jon" Joe Timney _______________________________________________ Here's how Nancy and I thank Jonathon: We send a check now and then. Your turn to do the same. Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From ecpurinton at wildblue.net Wed Oct 10 10:47:39 2007 From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:47:39 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Re coverage of LSR by Jon Amo Message-ID: <470D022B.4040109@wildblue.net> Long time ago realities of life taught me I wouldn't be able to go everywhere and do everything I wanted to. Jon's efforts have given me the next best possible. All the information is always appreciated here on the ridge in Western Mass. THANK YOU Jon! If all goes as planned, week from today will be on the road headed for Maxton and the final live speed fix of the season for me. After that it will be hibernation/winter build time. Ed Purinton From ed at vetteracing.com Wed Oct 10 16:59:36 2007 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:59:36 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Non Land-speed In Memoriam Message-ID: The "Great Escape" jump is still considered the greatest stunt in movies........ Bud received a whopping $1000 for that stunt. Ed >-----Original Message----- >From: ifixmgs at cox.net [mailto:ifixmgs at cox.net] >Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2007 06:28 PM >To: Flowbench at aol.com, drmayf at mayfco.com, land-speed at autox.team.net >Subject: [Land-speed] Non Land-speed In Memoriam > >I remember that this guy was a featured guest at an ISDT event innorthern California in 73 or 74 and I watched him leave all us youngbucks with hung jaws - he made a borrowed bike do stuff that inretrospect was not that much different than what you might see on anepisode of "Superbikes Meets Supercross" only he was riding dinosaurtechnology and was an "old man" in his 40's. > Bud Ekins, a pioneering off-road motorcycle racer best known forhis work as Steve McQueen's stunt double, died at his Hollywood homeSaturday, October 6. He was 77. For years, movie fans thought McQueenjumped the barbed wire fence in 1963's "The Great Escape" and poweredthe Mustang through San Francisco in 1968's "Bullitt," but it wasEkins, who never spoke of it. Ekins was a successful off-roadmotorcycle racer, winning four gold medals and a silver in theInternational Six Day Trials in the 1960s. He held the #1 plate inCalifornia for seven years and founded the Baja 1,000. Later in life heowned up to 150 vintage motorcycles, 54 of which were separate Americanmakes. From neil at dbelltech.com Wed Oct 10 17:46:46 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:46:46 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Coverage of LSR by Jon Amo In-Reply-To: <470CFE17.8030404@dol.net> References: <470CFE17.8030404@dol.net> Message-ID: <003601c80b97$d2072530$0200a8c0@DBTech> Amen on that, Joe-- Thanks, Jon! Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Timney Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:30 AM To: List Subject: [Land-speed] Coverage of LSR by Jon Amo I would like to publicly thank Jon Amo for his LSR coverage this year. Although I was not able to attend the World Finals or the FIA meet, I got to enjoy the 'Drama' from my shop everyday. "Thanks Jon" Joe Timney From drmayf at mayfco.com Wed Oct 10 17:53:22 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:53:22 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Helmets... Message-ID: <470D65F2.7020607@mayfco.com> When will the SA 2005 helmets need to be replaced? Asking for Gary who is off list right now.. mayf From rbuck at xmission.com Wed Oct 10 17:55:43 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:55:43 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Coverage of LSR by Jon Amo In-Reply-To: <470CFE17.8030404@dol.net> References: <470CFE17.8030404@dol.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071010175339.038ba370@xmission.com> I followed the FIA meet through Jon's posts, just as if I'd been there (well, almost.) It was great to have an "on-the-scene" reporter. Good stuff, man. Ray the Rat At 10:30 AM 10/10/2007, Joe Timney wrote: >I would like to publicly thank Jon Amo for his LSR coverage this year. >Although I was not able to attend the World Finals or the FIA meet, I >got to enjoy the 'Drama' from my shop everyday. > >"Thanks Jon" > >Joe Timney From gmc6power at earthlink.net Wed Oct 10 18:23:35 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:23:35 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Helmets... References: <470D65F2.7020607@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <001c01c80b9c$f70087f0$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> they usually go 10 years > When will the SA 2005 helmets need to be replaced? Asking for Gary who > is off list right now.. From Lsr385 at aol.com Wed Oct 10 22:03:21 2007 From: Lsr385 at aol.com (Lsr385 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:03:21 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] FIA report Message-ID: Hi All I just returned from the FIA and World Finals meets. As some of you may know I have been helping Charles Nearburg with the now "Spirit of Rett" Streamliner (car 1122). I have worked with Earl since he purchased the car from Howard. We made 9 passes, 8 over 300 MPH, set the A gas and A fuel record in one day (350 and 348 MPH) and backed the whole deal up with an FIA record at 360 MPH. (375 mph one way). I cannot explain the thrill of pushing the car off from floating mountain towards highway 80 to what was to be a 369 flying mile average. Being able to chase at 110 mph in my old Dodge was cool too. We serviced the car in about 30 minutes to send it back the other way. There are too many people to thank in a short email, but needless to say the car arrived from Charles' shop extremely well prepared. I do want to say one big thanks--to Mike Cook for his support and for all he does for all the Land Speed community. Tom Stewart ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From ifixmgs at cox.net Wed Oct 10 22:07:33 2007 From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 0:07:33 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Helmets Plus semi land speed kart) In-Reply-To: <001c01c80b9c$f70087f0$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> Message-ID: <20071011000733.FGY27.165640.root@eastrmwml11> Still in the shop at midnight:03 putting the finishing touches on "Killer a'La Karte" - 45hp/6 speed 4 stroke Honda powered, live axle Yerf Dog-style chassis with (so far) a 10hp shot of Nitrous in the airfilter and a pressurized warm-water vaporizer to keep the cylinders cool. I've gone tthrough two free sets of used turf tires from the local mower repair shop in the first five "maiden" runs (it's not even a technical virgin anymore...) Anyway, from my rusty trusty NHRA rule book (I'd say the NHRA is about as conservative as any sanctioning body regarding safety equipment) : Drivers in supercharged, front engine open-bodied cars and Funny Cars must wear a helmet meeting Snell SA2000, SA2005 or SFI 31.1A, 31.2A, or 31.1/2005 Specs. NHRA Helmet Expiration Dates -Snell 2000.....1/1/2012 -Snell 2005.....1/1/2017 Mark C - From dmirror3 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 22:24:54 2007 From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] FIA report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <192916.31384.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Congratulations seems to be a gross understatement ! As does awesome. My mind cannot fathom the thrill it must be to be part of such a group, event and success. Amazing buddy, nothing less than amazing. Dale Krumheuer Cleveland Oh Lsr385 at aol.com wrote: Hi All I just returned from the FIA and World Finals meets. As some of you may know I have been helping Charles Nearburg with the now "Spirit of Rett" Streamliner (car 1122). I have worked with Earl since he purchased the car from Howard. We made 9 passes, 8 over 300 MPH, set the A gas and A fuel record in one day (350 and 348 MPH) and backed the whole deal up with an FIA record at 360 MPH. (375 mph one way). I cannot explain the thrill of pushing the car off from floating mountain towards highway 80 to what was to be a 369 flying mile average. Being able to chase at 110 mph in my old Dodge was cool too. We serviced the car in about 30 minutes to send it back the other way. There are too many people to thank in a short email, but needless to say the car arrived from Charles' shop extremely well prepared. I do want to say one big thanks--to Mike Cook for his support and for all he does for all the Land Speed community. Tom Stewart ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ dmirror3 at yahoo.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed The problem is not that the world is full of fools...it's that lightning is not distributed properly Samuel Clemens --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. From wester6935 at comcast.net Thu Oct 11 07:54:34 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:54:34 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] More on Nish ... He'll be back! Message-ID: <101120071354.8967.470E2B1A000CFB2B000023072206998499CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Ray Grass wrote this column on tne Nish liner and the family's land speed aspirations in today's Deseret Morning News. Not a lot more information but a fill in on this weeks disappointment. http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695217478,00.html So far just one in four for records/attempts at the FIA meet. Congratulations to the Nearburg "Spirit of Rett" crew and good luck to the Ohio State student streamliner crew who are still on the salt. Wes From gmc6power at earthlink.net Thu Oct 11 11:00:58 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:00:58 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Land-speed] More on Nish ... He'll be back! Message-ID: <20236032.1192122058927.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >Congratulations to the Nearburg "Spirit of Rett" crew and good luck >to the Ohio State student streamliner crew who are still on the salt. > It is unfortunate for the teams that did not reach the goals they set. I say this because I will not predict or say to anyone my plans. The salt gremlins are very cruel, they listen to every word you say. I do not believe they like the words " I'm gonna" at all. We have always taken what the salt gives. Our best laid plans go astray at times and we all try to reign them in without insulting the salt gods. IMO the best thing to do is smile a lot and keep the speed predictions to yourself. Good Luck..JD From dlodom at charter.net Thu Oct 11 11:46:54 2007 From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:46:54 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Rod bolts ( not really LSR) Message-ID: <470E618E.6060303@charter.net> I am trying to find some new rod bolts for a 1932 Chev. 194 cid six motor. Egge and Kanter do not have them. They are 2.125 long and .375 24 fine thread with a hole for a cotter pin 2 inch from the bottom of head. Would like 12 but could live with 4 of them. Thanks Doug in big ditch (805) 489-6228 shop (805) 458-0802 cell. From 23.weldon at comcast.net Thu Oct 11 12:55:24 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:55:24 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Rod bolts ( not really LSR) References: <470E618E.6060303@charter.net> Message-ID: <000401c80c38$4d2c9b50$6401a8c0@S> Doug-- Back in the 30's there was nothing to compare with modern socket head alloy steel capscrews strengthwise. If you can adapt these to the 32 chevy rod with a little machining work then you're home free. They're hardened but not so much that they can't be drilled with a good cobalt drill bit. You might have to get creative to make the head fit the pocket in the rod. 3/8-24 x 2-1/4" McMaster-Carr part no. 91251A433 $5.24/box of 10 http://www.mcmaster.com/ Also Flat Head style 3/8-24 x 2-1/2" McMaster-Carr part no. 91253A367 $3.24 ea. gives a different head shape that would likely require you to make up some special countersunk washers. You might also want to take a look at their steel shoulder screws, which have different lower heads. They come in 1/8" length increments around the 2" length you want. Note that a 3/8" dia shoulder screw uses a 5/16-18 thread; so you'd need to get the right size nuts. Note that a shoulder screw will not stretch when you torque it as well as a standard screw, so it can't be trusted for preloading and locking from the stretching as well. I suspect with a stock old chevy 6 the preloading wouldn't have to be that perfect and you're using cotterpins to lock the nuts anyway. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "DougOdom" To: "Landspeed List" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Rod bolts ( not really LSR) > I am trying to find some new rod bolts for a 1932 Chev. 194 cid six > motor. Egge and Kanter do not have them. They are 2.125 long and .375 24 > fine thread with a hole for a cotter pin 2 inch from the bottom of head. > Would like 12 but could live with 4 of them. > Thanks Doug in big ditch (805) 489-6228 shop (805) 458-0802 cell. From SCowle at mentorcollege.edu Thu Oct 11 13:06:12 2007 From: SCowle at mentorcollege.edu (Scott Cowle) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] October Meet Message-ID: <470E3BE40200003800005160@gw.mentorcollege.edu> Every one pray to the carburetor gods because they know the weather gods-and I'm coming all the way from Canada for this.In preparation for good weather I have already sacrificed at least a pint of blood and a pound of knuckle flesh while working on my car this year. See ya in a week-Scott ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication may contain confidential or privileged proprietary material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, or distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive the information from the recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies of this message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <<>> From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Thu Oct 11 13:13:03 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:13:03 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] More on Nish ... He'll be back! References: <20236032.1192122058927.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <011201c80c3a$bfa9ec80$6601a8c0@Glens> JD is a true racer, he was running on a 160.350 record, his best pass was 160.106. he missed qualifying by.245 mph. Is he crying, no way. he will be back next year and try again. JD along with a long list of others have been that close before. They are dedicated to the sport of LSR and never give up, they just try harder the next time. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Tone" To: "landspeed list" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] More on Nish ... He'll be back! > >Congratulations to the Nearburg "Spirit of Rett" crew and good luck >>to the Ohio State student streamliner crew who are still on the salt. >> > It is unfortunate for the teams that did not reach the goals they set. I > say this because I will not predict or say to anyone my plans. The salt > gremlins are very cruel, they listen to every word you say. I do not > believe they like the words " I'm gonna" at all. We have always taken what > the salt gives. Our best laid plans go astray at times and we all try to > reign them in without insulting the salt gods. IMO the best thing to do is > smile a lot and keep the speed predictions to yourself. Good Luck..JD > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Thu Oct 11 14:42:11 2007 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:42:11 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] More on Nish ... He'll be back! References: <20236032.1192122058927.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002401c80c47$34511700$6601a8c0@Rick> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Tone" > It is unfortunate for the teams that did not reach the goals they set. I > say this because I will not predict or say to anyone my plans. The salt > gremlins are very cruel, they listen to every word you say. I do not > believe they like the words " I'm gonna" at all. We have always taken what > the salt gives. Our best laid plans go astray at times and we all try to > reign them in without insulting the salt gods. IMO the best thing to do is > smile a lot and keep the speed predictions to yourself. JD You said it well. In more recent years, one of my favorite sayings is "it is what it is" You can't imagine how nervous I was when Ford announced publicly that the goal for Fusion 999 was to go more than 200 MPH. Geez, it took me lots of seasons to go that fast. (the Merk is still officially faster than the Fusion though) :=D I add my congratulations to those that participated. There are lots of lessons we can learn from these guys. Rick From 23.weldon at comcast.net Thu Oct 11 15:05:14 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:05:14 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Fusion 999 References: <20236032.1192122058927.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002401c80c47$34511700$6601a8c0@Rick> Message-ID: <001301c80c4a$6d583670$6401a8c0@S> Engineers and the corporate types they associate with: Sort of like Klingons. A little strange; but basically good people..... Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "James Tone" ; "landspeed list" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] More on Nish ... He'll be back! > You can't imagine how nervous I was when Ford announced publicly that the > goal for Fusion 999 was to go more than 200 MPH. ...... There are lots of > lessons we can learn from these guys. > Rick From neil at dbelltech.com Thu Oct 11 17:06:55 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:06:55 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Rod bolts ( not really LSR) In-Reply-To: <000401c80c38$4d2c9b50$6401a8c0@S> References: <470E618E.6060303@charter.net> <000401c80c38$4d2c9b50$6401a8c0@S> Message-ID: <004d01c80c5b$6b382ce0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Good advice, Ed. Just make sure the socket head cap screws are good quality US- made ones such as SPS Unbrako or Allen, etc. There are lots of foreign- made fasteners out there but I wouldn't trust them at all. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Weldon Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:55 AM To: DougOdom; Landspeed List Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Rod bolts ( not really LSR) Doug-- Back in the 30's there was nothing to compare with modern socket head alloy steel capscrews strengthwise. If you can adapt these to the 32 chevy rod with a little machining work then you're home free. They're hardened but not so much that they can't be drilled with a good cobalt drill bit. You might have to get creative to make the head fit the pocket in the rod. 3/8-24 x 2-1/4" McMaster-Carr part no. 91251A433 $5.24/box of 10 http://www.mcmaster.com/ Also Flat Head style 3/8-24 x 2-1/2" McMaster-Carr part no. 91253A367 $3.24 ea. gives a different head shape that would likely require you to make up some special countersunk washers. You might also want to take a look at their steel shoulder screws, which have different lower heads. They come in 1/8" length increments around the 2" length you want. Note that a 3/8" dia shoulder screw uses a 5/16-18 thread; so you'd need to get the right size nuts. Note that a shoulder screw will not stretch when you torque it as well as a standard screw, so it can't be trusted for preloading and locking from the stretching as well. I suspect with a stock old chevy 6 the preloading wouldn't have to be that perfect and you're using cotterpins to lock the nuts anyway. Ed Weldon From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Oct 11 17:14:58 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:14:58 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] EFI AFR Question.. Message-ID: <470EAE72.1000705@mayfco.com> Taking a moment or two and just browsing data. Since I am still learning about EFI, can I ask a question? Ok here it is. If my brain box commands a specific AFR number and then computes the injector pulse width to meter the fuel to meet that AFR, and then my wide band tells me what the actual AFR comes out to be, just how close should it be to be considered to be good and accurate? Like if I tell it 11.5 and it comes back 11.2 or 11.8 or something. Just how far off can it be and still be acceptable. 1 decimal place? 2? 3? Does any of that make sense? just curious and as I said still learning.. mayf From rbuck at xmission.com Thu Oct 11 18:57:42 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:57:42 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: One day's pics from WF Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071011185152.038facc0@xmission.com> I've gone thru my photos for the first day of World Finals. I think I take too many pictures. I started out with over 400...for one day. It was like killing my children to cut it to under 200. There are a lotta dead children around here at the moment. But I just consider the source (me) and shake my head. Here's where they're located: http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/Welcome.html I'll start on the second day's pics tomorrow. Also...I dunno how this is gonna work out...maybe it's cheesy as hell, but then consider the source. I took a sequence of photos (no time lapse, no tripod, just pointed and shot) of the sunrise before record returns began on Thursday morning. I threw a page together: http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/dawn/dawn2007.html I dunno if I'm gonna keep it on there or not. Ray the (cheesy) Rat From td at twinjugs.com Thu Oct 11 19:53:46 2007 From: td at twinjugs.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:53:46 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] EFI AFR Question.. In-Reply-To: <470EAE72.1000705@mayfco.com> References: <470EAE72.1000705@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <20071012013710.M49755@twinjugs.com> If you have the ability to adjust VE to make AFR adjustments spot on then only percieved accuracy of AFR will be relevant and VE accuracy is what you will be trying to accurately acheive to obtained the AFR input. All depends on the system being used and the frequency of calibration and accuracy of your sensor. Todd ---------- Original Message ----------- From: drmayf To: LSR Sent: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:14:58 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] EFI AFR Question.. > Taking a moment or two and just browsing data. Since I am still learning > about EFI, can I ask a question? Ok here it is. If my brain box commands > a specific AFR number and then computes the injector pulse width to > meter the fuel to meet that AFR, and then my wide band tells me what the > actual AFR comes out to be, just how close should it be to be considered > to be good and accurate? Like if I tell it 11.5 and it comes back 11.2 > or 11.8 or something. Just how far off can it be and still be > acceptable. 1 decimal place? 2? 3? Does any of that make sense? > > just curious and as I said still learning.. > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > td at twinjugs.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed ------- End of Original Message ------- From RACE427 at aol.com Thu Oct 11 19:57:42 2007 From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:57:42 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Bud Ekins passing Message-ID: Those who have enjoyed the movies " The Great Escape " , "Bullet" and "On Any Sunday" will be sad to hear that Bud Ekins passed away of natural causes, he was 77 yrs. young. Mr. Ekins was a good friend and stunt rider for Steve McQueen. I personally never tire of seeing any of these movies one more time !! Hollywood looses another tireless performer!! Mr. Ekins...RIP. Tony G LI,NY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From ddahlgren at snet.net Thu Oct 11 20:03:49 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:03:49 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] EFI AFR Question.. In-Reply-To: <470EAE72.1000705@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <006d01c80c74$2196f4e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Count the number of wires on the sensor there might be either 3 4 5 or 6 .. 5 or six can do better than 0.1 3 can not and 4 might if it is a bosch '002' sensor. It is also a factor of how far the maps are from the target value. Dave -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:15 PM To: LSR Subject: [Land-speed] EFI AFR Question.. Taking a moment or two and just browsing data. Since I am still learning about EFI, can I ask a question? Ok here it is. If my brain box commands a specific AFR number and then computes the injector pulse width to meter the fuel to meet that AFR, and then my wide band tells me what the actual AFR comes out to be, just how close should it be to be considered to be good and accurate? Like if I tell it 11.5 and it comes back 11.2 or 11.8 or something. Just how far off can it be and still be acceptable. 1 decimal place? 2? 3? Does any of that make sense? just curious and as I said still learning.. mayf No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.14.5/1058 - Release Date: 10/8/2007 4:54 PM From jolylance at earthlink.net Thu Oct 11 20:16:26 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:16:26 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Fusion 999 References: <20236032.1192122058927.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002401c80c47$34511700$6601a8c0@Rick> <001301c80c4a$6d583670$6401a8c0@S> Message-ID: <002401c80c75$eb5aea10$2101a8c0@WinXP> When paid to be an engineer I was once a "company weirdo" but never a Klingon--can I be Spock instead? LOL Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net> To: "Rick Byrnes" ; "James Tone" ; "landspeed list" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 5:05 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Fusion 999 > Engineers and the corporate types they associate with: > Sort of like Klingons. A little strange; but basically good people..... > > Ed Weldon From td at twinjugs.com Thu Oct 11 20:53:31 2007 From: td at twinjugs.com (Todd) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:53:31 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] EFI AFR Question.. In-Reply-To: <006d01c80c74$2196f4e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> References: <470EAE72.1000705@mayfco.com> <006d01c80c74$2196f4e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Message-ID: <20071012025028.M70361@twinjugs.com> Good point Dave, I take for granted everything is a WB heated Bosch these days. Todd > Count the number of wires on the sensor there might be either 3 4 5 or 6 > .. 5 or six can do better than 0.1 3 can not and 4 might if it is a > bosch '002' sensor. It is also a factor of how far the maps are from the > target value. > Dave From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 11 21:43:42 2007 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:43:42 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] One day's pics from the World Finals In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071011185152.038facc0@xmission.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20071011185152.038facc0@xmission.com> Message-ID: I know theres at least one here that is extremely grateful you have... ... such a 'twitchy trigger finner" Ray Thank you very much m' friend for sharing. cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" - one in exile in So. New York, and unable to "Be there" oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:57:42 -0600 > To: land-speed at autox.team.net > From: rbuck at xmission.com > Subject: [Land-speed] OT: One day's pics from WF > > I've gone thru my photos for the first day of World Finals. I think > I take too many pictures. I started out with over 400...for one > day. It was like killing my children to cut it to under 200. There > are a lotta dead children around here at the moment. But I just > consider the source (me) and shake my head. Here's where they're located: > http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/Welcome.html > > I'll start on the second day's pics tomorrow. > > Also...I dunno how this is gonna work out...maybe it's cheesy as > hell, but then consider the source. I took a sequence of photos (no > time lapse, no tripod, just pointed and shot) of the sunrise before > record returns began on Thursday morning. I threw a page together: > http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/dawn/dawn2007.html I dunno if > I'm gonna keep it on there or not. - Ray the (cheesy) Rat _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Oct 11 23:12:47 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:12:47 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] EFI AFR Question.. In-Reply-To: <006d01c80c74$2196f4e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> References: <006d01c80c74$2196f4e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Message-ID: <470F024F.7040106@mayfco.com> Well, it's dark out now, so I won't go look, lol. The one I have is Innovate LC-1 system. Is that good or just average or poor. Iguess the question I was asking was what's good enough. If I command 11.5 and get 11.4 how much time do I spend trying to determine if it is sensor, or real live afr? What's the cost benefit analysis gonna say? I could spend a zillion bucks tracking down something that is in reality in the noise. What do the rest of you folks who tune with a wide band do? How close is close enough? Oh, Dave, how much for the Accel DFI 77030-3 system for a mustang? I need tostart saving my milk money.. mayf ddahlgren at snet.net wrote: >Count the number of wires on the sensor there might be either 3 4 5 or 6 >.. 5 or six can do better than 0.1 3 can not and 4 might if it is a >bosch '002' sensor. It is also a factor of how far the maps are from the >target value. >Dave > >-----Original Message----- >From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net >[mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of drmayf >Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:15 PM >To: LSR >Subject: [Land-speed] EFI AFR Question.. > > >Taking a moment or two and just browsing data. Since I am still learning > >about EFI, can I ask a question? Ok here it is. If my brain box commands > >a specific AFR number and then computes the injector pulse width to >meter the fuel to meet that AFR, and then my wide band tells me what the > >actual AFR comes out to be, just how close should it be to be considered > >to be good and accurate? Like if I tell it 11.5 and it comes back 11.2 >or 11.8 or something. Just how far off can it be and still be >acceptable. 1 decimal place? 2? 3? Does any of that make sense? > >just curious and as I said still learning.. > >mayf > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.14.5/1058 - Release Date: >10/8/2007 4:54 PM From webmaster at landracing.com Thu Oct 11 23:19:47 2007 From: webmaster at landracing.com (Jonathan Amo) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:19:47 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] EFI AFR Question.. In-Reply-To: <470F024F.7040106@mayfco.com> References: <006d01c80c74$2196f4e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> <470F024F.7040106@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Problems with the innovate system is that it have a variance of +-.5 in lambda and that is considered NORMAL OPERATING for the sensor. There are other systems that offer a .1 accuracy, but usually the price goes up for a better labratory grade sensor. So if you are commanding 11.4 and your getting 11.5 fine, if you are trying to tune to a .1 variance, I say give up now with the system you are using.. That is close enough that the .1 you are going thru is probably not attainable with the measuring device you are using and will probably not effect performance of the machine in that tolerance range. Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" To: Cc: "'LSR'" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] EFI AFR Question.. > Well, it's dark out now, so I won't go look, lol. The one I have is > Innovate LC-1 system. Is that good or just average or poor. Iguess the > question I was asking was what's good enough. If I command 11.5 and get > 11.4 how much time do I spend trying to determine if it is sensor, or > real live afr? What's the cost benefit analysis gonna say? I could spend > a zillion bucks tracking down something that is in reality in the noise. > What do the rest of you folks who tune with a wide band do? How close is > close enough? > > Oh, Dave, how much for the Accel DFI 77030-3 system for a mustang? I > need tostart saving my milk money.. > > mayf > ddahlgren at snet.net wrote: > >>Count the number of wires on the sensor there might be either 3 4 5 or 6 >>.. 5 or six can do better than 0.1 3 can not and 4 might if it is a >>bosch '002' sensor. It is also a factor of how far the maps are from the >>target value. >>Dave >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net >>[mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >>Of drmayf >>Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:15 PM >>To: LSR >>Subject: [Land-speed] EFI AFR Question.. >> >> >>Taking a moment or two and just browsing data. Since I am still learning >> >>about EFI, can I ask a question? Ok here it is. If my brain box commands >> >>a specific AFR number and then computes the injector pulse width to >>meter the fuel to meet that AFR, and then my wide band tells me what the >> >>actual AFR comes out to be, just how close should it be to be considered >> >>to be good and accurate? Like if I tell it 11.5 and it comes back 11.2 >>or 11.8 or something. Just how far off can it be and still be >>acceptable. 1 decimal place? 2? 3? Does any of that make sense? >> >>just curious and as I said still learning.. >> >>mayf From ecpurinton at wildblue.net Fri Oct 12 05:35:35 2007 From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:35:35 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Re One days pics from WF Message-ID: <470F5C07.6080202@wildblue.net> Ray, Big THANK YOU for another job well done! Quick scan looks fantastic. Giving a buddy a hand getting ready for Maxton now so won't be able to really get into them until after we get back. Post all you want to, they will all get viewed and studied here on the ridge, will keep me out of trouble and fired up this winter Take care, Ed From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Oct 12 10:43:28 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:43:28 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Turbo... Message-ID: <470FA430.9080903@mayfco.com> Still looking for rpms, Could very well be my turbos are really too small. Anyone have a T76 they don't need anymore? Price? mayf From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 12 10:56:47 2007 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:56:47 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Turbo... In-Reply-To: <470FA430.9080903@mayfco.com> References: <470FA430.9080903@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Have you looked in your closet ? LOL! I misplace 'stuff' alla time Mayf maybe you left it there ? HEY ! I finally saw your car on Ray the Rat's neat-o foto expose' .... Kool Beans. Richard Seagrave would like it. cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in exile in So. New York, -22 miles from Square Deal Raceway, -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway, -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway -105 miles south of "the Syracuse Mile" ... -265 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway -2325 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats and never more than a few feet from a cold one oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooH No ! > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:43:28 -0700 > From: drmayf at mayfco.com > To: land-speed at autox.team.net > Subject: [Land-speed] Turbo... > > Still looking for rpms, Could very well be my turbos are really too > small. Anyone have a T76 they don't need anymore? Price? > > mayf _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne ws From guambomb743 at msn.com Fri Oct 12 09:35:02 2007 From: guambomb743 at msn.com (Terry) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:35:02 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Bud Ekins passing References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: RACE427 at aol.com To: land-speed at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Bud Ekins passing Sorry to hear of Bud Ekins death. I met Bud while racing a Triumph in So Cal in the mid sixties. I bought parts from his Sherman Oaks Triumph shop, and later a vintage bike from his collection. He was a great desert racer. Later, he did stunt work and also rented vintage m/c's to the studios. After he gave up the Triumph dealership, he spent most of his time restoring bikes. He had a big quonset in No. Hollywood full of bikes on multilayered racks. He told there were about 300. BTW, Bud and his friend, Kenny Howard, aka as Von Dutch would usually restore one at a time. Typically, 2 to 3 weeks. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ guambomb743 at msn.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From SCowle at mentorcollege.edu Fri Oct 12 13:09:23 2007 From: SCowle at mentorcollege.edu (Scott Cowle) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:09:23 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Roof racks Message-ID: <470F8E230200003800005204@gw.mentorcollege.edu> If anyone who is attending the October meet at Maxton has a pair of the old style roof racks that had the brackets that attached to the rain gutter trough on each side of the roof just above the windows,that they want to get rid of ,I'll take them-I am going to use one to make an airdam at the top of the windshield-I saw this on the Busch cars for one race -I think last year-designed to foil lift over the roof and back of the car. Scott ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication may contain confidential or privileged proprietary material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, or distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive the information from the recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies of this message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <<>> From neil at dbelltech.com Fri Oct 12 14:28:30 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:28:30 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: One day's pics from WF In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071011185152.038facc0@xmission.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20071011185152.038facc0@xmission.com> Message-ID: <003101c80d0e$748733a0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Thanks, Ray-- nice photos. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ray Buck Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 5:58 PM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] OT: One day's pics from WF I've gone thru my photos for the first day of World Finals. I think I take too many pictures. I started out with over 400...for one day. It was like killing my children to cut it to under 200. There are a lotta dead children around here at the moment. But I just consider the source (me) and shake my head. Here's where they're located: http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/Welcome.html I'll start on the second day's pics tomorrow. Also...I dunno how this is gonna work out...maybe it's cheesy as hell, but then consider the source. I took a sequence of photos (no time lapse, no tripod, just pointed and shot) of the sunrise before record returns began on Thursday morning. I threw a page together: http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/dawn/dawn2007.html I dunno if I'm gonna keep it on there or not. Ray the (cheesy) Rat From guambomb743 at msn.com Fri Oct 12 14:53:46 2007 From: guambomb743 at msn.com (Terry) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:53:46 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Bud Ekins passing References: <000601c80d04$5c3ab240$6401a8c0@gateway> Message-ID: Dan, I didn't know him. >I do know Eddie Mulder who was riding for Johnson Motors, the Triumph distributor at the time.. Terry Hunt, GuamBomb,743 From saltfevr at q.com Fri Oct 12 21:05:43 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:05:43 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: One day's pics from WF In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071011185152.038facc0@xmission.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20071011185152.038facc0@xmission.com> Message-ID: Rayrat; Super pics bud!! Thanks again. What, no pics of "The Ugly Truck? LOL. Bville sunrises never get old. Thanks for sharing!Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:57:42 -0600> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> From: rbuck at xmission.com> Subject: [Land-speed] OT: One day's pics from WF> > I've gone thru my photos for the first day of World Finals. I think > I take too many pictures. I started out with over 400...for one > day. It was like killing my children to cut it to under 200. There > are a lotta dead children around here at the moment. But I just > consider the source (me) and shake my head. Here's where they're located:> http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/Welcome.html> > I'll start on the second day's pics tomorrow.> > Also...I dunno how this is gonna work out...maybe it's cheesy as > hell, but then consider the source. I took a sequence of photos (no > time lapse, no tripod, just pointed and shot) of the sunrise before > record returns began on Thursday morning. I threw a page together:> http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/dawn/dawn2007.html I dunno if > I'm gonna keep it on there or not.> > Ray the (cheesy) Rat> _______________________________________________> saltfevr at q.com> > Land-speed mailing list> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From market at gammasports.com Fri Oct 12 12:12:51 2007 From: market at gammasports.com (Matt Ferrari) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:12:51 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR: 1932 Ford project for sale Message-ID: Hi. I hope that posting Ebay links is OK. I looked around and didn't see any instructions not to, and I need all the help I can get. [url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250172875313[/url] [IMG]http://shutter14.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/11/005/36/5F/FA/30/HCexE82oqGSVnHRHAHJBaMuDh03vNMGA0300.jpg[/IMG] I need to sell my 1932 Ford project. I purchased it from a local hotrodder who had removed its very cherry body for use with a modern built chassis. I then spent some time cleaning the original chassis up and getting individual components working. The engine is an early 221 cubic inch 21-stud flathead with a nice Stromberg 97 carburetor. I don't believe the engine has the 1932 petcocks. (Someone told me it might be an "LB" engine, but I can't confirm this.) The engine runs great, and the fuel pump works well. The Ford green paint you see in the photographs might very well be original. The headers seem original and are currently hooked up to a Smithy muffler to keep the neighbors happy. I purchased and installed a brand new Walker radiator. I also installed a Brookville real steel grille surround on the radiator. I've only run the engine for a short period of time, but the waterpumps seem to work fine, and the coolant likes nice and doesn't contain debris. I said it before, but I should say it again: the engine runs great. The firewall is in exceptionally nice shape, very solid with no rust and good paint. The original insulation is on the passenger compartment side, and the 1932 style engine-turned dash insert and supports are included. I reassembled the steering box and adjusted it, but did not fill it with lubricant. The steering column itself is from a 33 or 34 and is something like an inch longer than a 32 column. The steering wheel is original. Shocks are very clean and look original. The transmission is the orignal 3-speed. It seems to work fine. The clutch works well. The banjo rear end seems fine. The mechanical brakes are original and work well. They seem to be properly adjusted, although I didn't do the work. The parking brake will hold the car on a surprisingly steep slope. The car comes with 5 straw yellow wheels that are in nice shape. The five tires are of different brands, but they have held their air over the past few years. I have added a stainless steel Tanks fuel tank, although I didn't add a gauge sender or plumb a fuel line. In fact, the tank has never had any gas in it, so it could safely be shipped if you wanted to sell it. It could also safely be welded, or cut, ground or polished because it's brand new. The frame itself is in very nice shape. It doesn't seem to have been repainted, so nothing is hidden. The chassis stamp on the driver's side is clear and legible. The driver's side frame horn show signs of getting hit at some point, and I believe this impact affected the drivers side rail between the radiator and firewall, because the steering wheel angle sits a little too far to the right. This isn't extreme, but I thought I should mention everything, warts and all. My intention was to sort out the car mechanically and then build a body for it. The body buck I designed is made out of MDF and is included if you want it. The aluminum panels held in place with Cleco fasteners are really just for show, but will also be included. As you can see from the mock-up picture, I also have some nice red leather seats from a Jaguar that come with the Ford chassis. You could use them, or resell them to recoup some of your investment. However, the seats are not bolted down, which you might want to take into consideration if trailering back home. The wooden seat riser and simple bead-rolled sheetmetal seat seen in some pictures have already been sold and are not included in this auction. The 20-louver hood sides are as nice as the firewall (although dusty in the picture here) and are included. The hood top is not so nice cosmetically, but is solid, and also is included. In one picture there is a black fiberglass grille surround that is not included; the steel Brookville is included instead. Please see: [url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250172875313[/url] Thank you very much, Matt From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Sat Oct 13 09:20:44 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:20:44 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Turbo... In-Reply-To: <470FA430.9080903@mayfco.com> References: <470FA430.9080903@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <4710E24C.6040503@wildblue.net> Once the pressure gets to 10 PSIG does the manifold air temperature increase with RPM? Is the increase fast enough to drop the density a bunch? On my setup, without an intercooler, the temperature increase form 22 PSIG to 27 PSIG canceled the increase in pressure. The turbo wasn't anywhere near the efficiency island at 27 PSIG. It did detonate nicely. Bryan drmayf wrote: > Still looking for rpms, Could very well be my turbos are really too > small. Anyone have a T76 they don't need anymore? Price? > > mayf From dwarner230 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 10:59:01 2007 From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] OT, non LSR 383 Chevy Motor In-Reply-To: <001801c80945$80f21000$6401a8c0@S> Message-ID: <810963.16180.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> $.45 to $.50 on the dollar is the current market. DW Ed Weldon <23.weldon at comcast.net> wrote: It would be interesting to see how well one of these turnkey 32 roadsters would hold it's value in a resale situation. I suspect a new Corvette would do better. The price one would have to pay for inividuality. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Bryan Savage" ; "J.D. Tone" Cc: "LSR" Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT, non LSR 383 Chevy Motor > That Speedway Motors steel '32 roadster is turnkey with everything installed, finished, beautifully done and all you need is the engine and transmission. He is the ideal candidate for one of those. He could have a reliable driver with a crate engine and transmission w/warranty, professionally installed, for under $60,000. Those cars are specifically aimed at guys like him. You could even add fenders if you wanted. > Wes _______________________________________________ dwarner230 at yahoo.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. From dwarner230 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 13:50:58 2007 From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Flowbench Message-ID: <33246.3540.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> FlowBench (you got a name?), Doug... How can someone who has been on this list not know that Flowbench is Mike LeFevers, Mi Tech Racing Engines. You may have heard of him and his expertise. DW --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. From kturk at ala.net Sat Oct 13 14:03:56 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:03:56 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Flowbench References: <33246.3540.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008e01c80dd4$3335f0a0$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> What kind of work does he do Dan? K ( sorry it was Just Way to easy ) From ddahlgren at snet.net Sat Oct 13 14:11:18 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:11:18 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Flowbench In-Reply-To: <33246.3540.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ac01c80dd5$37b1e660$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> It would be nice if somehow they listed not only driver but engine builder car builder/bike builder and crew chief on a record some interesting trends might evolve..LOL Questions like these might never come up though in retro spect we all know who the 'players' are.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dan warner Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:51 PM To: land speed Subject: [Land-speed] Flowbench FlowBench (you got a name?), Doug... How can someone who has been on this list not know that Flowbench is Mike LeFevers, Mi Tech Racing Engines. You may have heard of him and his expertise. DW No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.14.5/1058 - Release Date: 10/8/2007 4:54 PM From dwarner230 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 13 17:40:31 2007 From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Flowbench In-Reply-To: <008e01c80dd4$3335f0a0$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <740517.91653.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <:( I just invented a new symbol for idiots that don't pay attention. Dickh__d. My first comment was not pointed to you Keith, DW Keith Turk wrote: What kind of work does he do Dan? K ( sorry it was Just Way to easy ) --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. From rbuck at xmission.com Sat Oct 13 17:51:56 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:51:56 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Day two WF photos Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071013174856.038755c0@xmission.com> Well, I got the rest of the World Finals photos edited and loaded onto my server. http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/Welcome.html The photos I ended up using are pretty much the traditional, straight-up shots and some sequences of cars leaving the start line. I left a few of the "rotated" shots in, but not too many. Sorry, there are no more pictures of the young lady applying decals to the Buckeye Bullet. ( http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071003/20071003_224r8_jpg.html for those who missed it.) Bummer, huh? :) I think I'll go do something else for a while. Ray the (tired) Rat From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net Sat Oct 13 18:46:20 2007 From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:46:20 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Day 2 pics Message-ID: <101420070046.5298.471166DC0001CE48000014B222007348309C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net> Ray, you da' man! Great photos, few people or tents in October. Thanks! BJ From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Oct 13 19:51:20 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:51:20 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Flowbench In-Reply-To: <740517.91653.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <740517.91653.qm@web52502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47117618.7050101@mayfco.com> Yeah, the comments were pointed at me. BUt yu need to remember, not all of have been dong this sice salt was created and so we do not know everyone. And MIke and I have goten to know each other a bt via email. The question I asked as to whether or not he had a name was so I could get to know him. It was not a sarcastic question by any stretch, but a question of knowledge needed. As I say, this is really old news now, and everything is cool. mayf dan warner wrote: ><:( > >I just invented a new symbol for idiots that don't pay attention. Dickh__d. > >My first comment was not pointed to you Keith, > >DW > >Keith Turk wrote: What kind of work does he do Dan? > >K ( sorry it was Just Way to easy ) > > > > >--------------------------------- >Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ecpurinton at wildblue.net Sat Oct 13 22:22:42 2007 From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:22:42 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Re Day 2 pics Message-ID: <47119992.2090308@wildblue.net> Ray, Another nice job. THANK YOU! Hydrogen power sure looks interesting................. Hadn't gotten that far on Day one yet before you brought it to my attention. Bob, Did you catch Day 2, page 16, photo #278? [top row middle] Take care all, Ed Purinton From mike_lackey at yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 10:40:43 2007 From: mike_lackey at yahoo.com (Mike Lackey) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 09:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] In the beginning Message-ID: <597276.51401.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For several years now I've had some ideas on a car to build and bring to Bonneville. I want to race a small displacement /GC class and recently, I bought the car I plan on racing. It's going to be a lot of work, but at least I've finally gotten started and it's no longer just in my head. I have a ton of questions, but I'll just start with a few for now. First of all, is there anything I should be documenting before I tear things apart on the car? Just to confirm I'm reading section 2.G of the rule book right, 4 lug wheels are allowed as long as I use 17" or smaller wheels and keep the tires under 29", right? Thanks, Mike _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From 23.weldon at comcast.net Sun Oct 14 11:28:31 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:28:31 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] In the beginning References: <597276.51401.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c80e87$aa8732a0$6401a8c0@S> Mike-- Are you ready to tell us what body and what displacement class you're planning for? IMHO your biggest "engineering" problems in GC are going to involve the roll cage and possibly mounting a flywheel shield if you're running a stick shift. You may want to cast about for ideas on how best to accomplish an SCTA "to the book" roll cage. This stuff involves heavy metal work and welding. With some good planning you may be able to get away with using your first cut without having to redo it. Also pay careful attention to safe seat design and placement relative to the driver controls. Oh yeah, all that stuff you remove around the firewall will leave holes that will have to be perfectly sealed. And if it's a relatively late model be careful about damaging the serial number identifications. You never know what surprises may be waiting down the road courtesy of our legislatures and the hysteria over environmental issues. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Lackey" To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: [Land-speed] In the beginning > For several years now I've had some ideas on a car to build and bring to > Bonneville. I want to race a small displacement /GC class and recently, I > bought the car I plan on racing. It's going to be a lot of work, but at least > I've finally gotten started and it's no longer just in my head. > I have a ton > of questions, but I'll just start with a few for now. First of all, is there > anything I should be documenting before I tear things apart on the car? From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Sun Oct 14 11:39:34 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:39:34 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] In the beginning References: <597276.51401.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000401c80e87$aa8732a0$6401a8c0@S> Message-ID: <009101c80e89$32d5f410$6601a8c0@Glens> Mike, welcome to LSR. It's great family.Like Ed said what are you building on what base. Where do you live as there might be someone close to you that is in LSR that can help get you started. The other is www.landracing.com it's loaded with LSR people as well. Good luck on the project. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net> To: "Mike Lackey" ; Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] In the beginning > Mike-- > Are you ready to tell us what body and what displacement class you're > planning for? > IMHO your biggest "engineering" problems in GC are going to involve the > roll > cage and possibly mounting a flywheel shield if you're running a stick > shift. You may want to cast about for ideas on how best to accomplish an > SCTA "to the book" roll cage. This stuff involves heavy metal work and > welding. With some good planning you may be able to get away with using > your first cut without having to redo it. Also pay careful attention to > safe seat design and placement relative to the driver controls. > Oh yeah, all that stuff you remove around the firewall will leave holes > that > will have to be perfectly sealed. And if it's a relatively late model be > careful about damaging the serial number identifications. You never know > what surprises may be waiting down the road courtesy of our legislatures > and > the hysteria over environmental issues. > Ed Weldon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Lackey" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:40 AM > Subject: [Land-speed] In the beginning >> For several years now I've had some ideas on a car to build and bring to >> Bonneville. I want to race a small displacement /GC class and recently, >> I >> bought the car I plan on racing. It's going to be a lot of work, but at > least >> I've finally gotten started and it's no longer just in my head. >> I have a ton >> of questions, but I'll just start with a few for now. First of all, is > there >> anything I should be documenting before I tear things apart on the car? > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From mike_lackey at yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 12:47:54 2007 From: mike_lackey at yahoo.com (Mike Lackey) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 11:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] In the beginning Message-ID: <139555.871.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The car is an '86 Toyota Corolla RWD hatchback (aka AE86 which is the chassic code Toyota gives it). I'm planning an engine swap to go after an open record with an I size engine. So, I'm not planning on huge MPH numbers, but I figure this is a good way to get started. I'll have to remember that about the firewall. Thanks ----- Original Message ---- From: Ed Weldon <23.weldon at comcast.net> To: Mike Lackey ; land-speed at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:28:31 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] In the beginning Mike-- Are you ready to tell us what body and what displacement class you're planning for? IMHO your biggest "engineering" problems in GC are going to involve the roll cage and possibly mounting a flywheel shield if you're running a stick shift. You may want to cast about for ideas on how best to accomplish an SCTA "to the book" roll cage. This stuff involves heavy metal work and welding. With some good planning you may be able to get away with using your first cut without having to redo it. Also pay careful attention to safe seat design and placement relative to the driver controls. Oh yeah, all that stuff you remove around the firewall will leave holes that will have to be perfectly sealed. And if it's a relatively late model be careful about damaging the serial number identifications. You never know what surprises may be waiting down the road courtesy of our legislatures and the hysteria over environmental issues. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Lackey" To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: [Land-speed] In the beginning > For several years now I've had some ideas on a car to build and bring to > Bonneville. I want to race a small displacement /GC class and recently, I > bought the car I plan on racing. It's going to be a lot of work, but at least > I've finally gotten started and it's no longer just in my head. > I have a ton > of questions, but I'll just start with a few for now. First of all, is there > anything I should be documenting before I tear things apart on the car? _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html From lsr_man at yahoo.com Sun Oct 14 13:07:35 2007 From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] In the beginning In-Reply-To: <139555.871.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <186192.17522.qm@web30711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, Sounds like it will be an intersting car. The best way to attack the firewall is once the motor is out, pull everything that you wont use off and out of the firewall, then get to work with sheet metal, pop rivets, and the welder. It's a lot easier to fill one too many holes and realize you have to drill one more hole when the new motor is in, than it is to get everything in and find that you have a hole way down behind the bell housing that needs to be filled! Also, build (or buy) your scatter shield and do all the hammering on the tunnel while the motor is out. It's a real Bit9# to hammer out an additional half inch of space when the running gear is already bolted back in place. Try to get somebody who knows something to fabricate, or help you fabricate the cage. Dick J In East Texas Mike Lackey wrote: The car is an '86 Toyota Corolla RWD hatchback (aka AE86 which is the chassic code Toyota gives it). I'm planning an engine swap to go after an open record with an I size engine. So, I'm not planning on huge MPH numbers, but I figure this is a good way to get started. I'll have to remember that about the firewall. Thanks --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. From gmc6power at earthlink.net Sun Oct 14 17:43:19 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:43:19 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] In the beginning References: <597276.51401.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c80ebc$007c3640$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> 4 lug wheels have been successfully used on vehicles over 200 mph at least on the front. Make sure you meet the rule for the speed you are going to be in. If no speed exsists you are to follow the speed of the next highest speed. At El Mirage J is open but I is 125+ so you will meet those safety specs. If you are goint to use stock type steel wheels I would weld up the attaching points even tho it is not required and recheck the wheel for true. Stock studs and nuts are adequate until 200. Maks sure the stock lug nuts have5/8"of threads..Good Luck and have fun. > Just > to confirm I'm reading section 2.G of the rule book right, 4 lug wheels > are > allowed as long as I use 17" or smaller wheels and keep the tires under > 29", > right? From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Mon Oct 15 08:13:46 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:13:46 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? Message-ID: Any one give me a clue??? http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_046r8_jpg.html thanks in advance David in Durango From wester6935 at comcast.net Mon Oct 15 08:16:53 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:16:53 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Ford Tri-Motor-non LSR Message-ID: <101520071416.25101.471376550008FA380000620D2207000953CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Check this out. ... http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/N9612home.html I have a photo of my dad standing by a Ford Tri Motor he rode in at the Grand Canyon airport near the north rim. He painted a sign with cartoon cowboys on it for the owner of the small trading post there. The owner's name was Hayden "Hades" Church if I remember correctly. The sign was still there when mom and a couple of close friends of dad's took me there in 1940, four years after dad's death. I conned Hades out of a turquoise and silver ring (and embarrassed my mother no end) that I still have and treasure. Long story. Wes From rbuck at xmission.com Mon Oct 15 08:36:35 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:36:35 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071015083508.03867b50@xmission.com> I don't have a clue, either. It looks like a fancy spice bottle filled with ping-pong balls. Maybe this fella knows some speed secret that he ain't tellin about? Ray the Rat At 08:13 AM 10/15/2007, Adin, David wrote: >Any one give me a clue??? > >http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_046r8_jpg.html > >thanks in advance > >David in Durango From BWANA343 at aol.com Mon Oct 15 08:42:32 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:42:32 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] ??? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:14:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DavidAdin at mercydurango.org writes: Any one give me a clue??? http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_046r8_jpg.html thanks in advance David in Durango It's a lava lamp, unplugged, balls at rest. I know the feeling. Bob, stuck in the 70's,W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Jimwprice at aol.com Mon Oct 15 08:47:34 2007 From: Jimwprice at aol.com (Jimwprice at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:47:34 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] ??? Message-ID: It looks like an albino Keno machine. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Oct 15 08:54:06 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:54:06 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? References: Message-ID: <003b01c80f3b$3c53ef80$6601a8c0@Glens> That's what they use in Pahrump Nevada to guess how many balls are in the jar. No one has won yet. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] ??? > It looks like an albino Keno machine. > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ecpurinton at wildblue.net Mon Oct 15 09:19:04 2007 From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:19:04 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Re [land speed] ??? Message-ID: <471384E8.7010704@wildblue.net> Wonder what he might have on the other side that he would rather not have anybody notice? Ed From SCowle at mentorcollege.edu Mon Oct 15 09:20:05 2007 From: SCowle at mentorcollege.edu (Scott Cowle) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:20:05 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47134CE50200003800005228@gw.mentorcollege.edu> They are pickled eggs-a guy gets hungry waitin in line eh? >>> 10/15/2007 10:42 AM >>> In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:14:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DavidAdin at mercydurango.org writes: Any one give me a clue??? http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_046r8_jpg.html thanks in advance David in Durango It's a lava lamp, unplugged, balls at rest. I know the feeling. Bob, stuck in the 70's,W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ scowle at mentorcollege.edu Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication may contain confidential or privileged proprietary material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, or distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive the information from the recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies of this message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <<>> From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Mon Oct 15 10:10:07 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:10:07 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Re [land speed] ??? In-Reply-To: <471384E8.7010704@wildblue.net> Message-ID: Bwahahahaha, at least I'm not alone . . . . -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Purinton Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:19 AM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] Re [land speed] ??? Wonder what he might have on the other side that he would rather not have anybody notice? Ed _______________________________________________ davidadin at mercydurango.org Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From advo at comcast.net Mon Oct 15 10:18:04 2007 From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:18:04 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] [land speed] ??? In-Reply-To: <471384E8.7010704@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <20071015161842.6D4741879EA@autox.team.net> That is a turtle-egg carrier, and those are turtle eggs. He is an experimental biologist developing a new breed of land-speed record turtle. Exposing those eggs to sun (on the dash), electrical fields (the MSD unit) and speed theoretically is the best combination for these high speed reptiles which may be able to beat rabbits (when rabbits are in the serious competition mode). The question will be whether this type of turtle would compete in the production or modified class...... It would run as altered if it closed its eyes and mouth..... Greg http://salt2salt.com From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Oct 15 10:28:10 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:28:10 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4713951A.3080200@mayfco.com> I'm thinking that the driver/owner thinks the car has a lot of balls... I do notice there seems to be a opening for them to exit at thebottom... Maybe it the Ca Lotto? mayf mayf Adin, David wrote: >Any one give me a clue??? > >http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_046r8_jpg.html > >thanks in advance > >David in Durango >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From BWANA343 at aol.com Mon Oct 15 10:28:16 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:28:16 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Re [land speed] ???/going rapidly non LSR Message-ID: ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Return-path: From: BWANA343 at aol.com Full-name: BWANA343 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:30:18 EDT Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Re [land speed] ???/going rapidly non LSR To: ecpurinton at wildblue.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5041 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 10/15/2007 11:19:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ecpurinton at wildblue.net writes: Wonder what he might have on the other side that he would rather not have anybody notice? Ed Accompanying inflatable Sex Toy, washable, Salt Tolerant, designed for those loooong waits on line at Speed Week ? Preferably in easy access purple fire suit from Frederick's of Hollywood. Bob, Dirty Old Man, W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Oct 15 10:30:07 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:30:07 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? In-Reply-To: <003b01c80f3b$3c53ef80$6601a8c0@Glens> References: <003b01c80f3b$3c53ef80$6601a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: <4713958F.9010301@mayfco.com> Jeeze, Glen, you're killing me, lol... I guessed 50 but that was wrong... mayf Glen Barrett wrote: >That's what they use in Pahrump Nevada to guess how many balls are in the >jar. No one has won yet. >Glen >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:47 AM >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] ??? > > > > >>It looks like an albino Keno machine. From dlodom at charter.net Mon Oct 15 10:41:40 2007 From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:41:40 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Re [land speed] ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47139844.3010001@charter.net> Adin, David wrote: >Bwahahahaha, at least I'm not alone . . . . > >- > > Wonder what he might have on the other side that he would rather >not have anybody notice? > > Ed > > Yep, Thats an old NASCAR trick to keep people from finding the (trick) stuff. Doug in big ditch From jolylance at earthlink.net Mon Oct 15 10:49:10 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:49:10 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? References: Message-ID: <002501c80f4b$4fa7f3f0$2101a8c0@WinXP> It's a Smokey Yunick diversion device. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adin, David" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: [Land-speed] ??? > Any one give me a clue??? > > http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_046r8_jpg.html > > thanks in advance > > David in Durango From jgmagoo at comcast.net Mon Oct 15 12:23:32 2007 From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:23:32 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] No Clue>From>JG Magoo Message-ID: <101520071823.25302.4713B02400029394000062D622135285730101090E030906@comcast.net> Nah, I think pickled eggs to eat while waiting in line is the most logical answer. JG From jdincau at qnet.com Mon Oct 15 12:28:03 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:28:03 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? References: <4713951A.3080200@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <000c01c80f59$20415e40$0500000a@Den> A copy of the first airplane engine carburetors. The gas drips onto the balls and evaporates on its way to the cylinder. Jim in Palmdale From adin at frontier.net Mon Oct 15 12:57:05 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:57:05 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? In-Reply-To: <000c01c80f59$20415e40$0500000a@Den> References: <4713951A.3080200@mayfco.com> <000c01c80f59$20415e40$0500000a@Den> Message-ID: <20071015125705.2252rsuigwk8cc0k@webmail.brainstorminternet.net> Now I have to go google ping pong balls to find out if they had them in the teens . . . . . Quoting Jim Dincau : > A copy of the first airplane engine carburetors. The gas drips onto the > balls and evaporates on its way to the cylinder. > Jim in Palmdale > _______________________________________________ > adin at frontier.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From jdincau at qnet.com Mon Oct 15 13:07:22 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:07:22 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? References: <4713951A.3080200@mayfco.com> <000c01c80f59$20415e40$0500000a@Den> <20071015125705.2252rsuigwk8cc0k@webmail.brainstorminternet.net> Message-ID: <000701c80f5e$9e453fa0$0500000a@Den> No balls were cork. Jim > Now I have to go google ping pong balls to find out if they had them in > the teens . . . . . From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Mon Oct 15 13:11:20 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:11:20 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? In-Reply-To: <000701c80f5e$9e453fa0$0500000a@Den> Message-ID: Did my google: first balls as we know them were imported into britain from usa in 1900 or 1901. Unless you are referring to the aircraft version . . . . I'm glad someone came up with something other than "lsr turtles" (although that was the most fun). Cheers, David in Durango -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Dincau Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:07 PM To: land Speed List Subject: Re: [Land-speed] ??? No balls were cork. Jim > Now I have to go google ping pong balls to find out if they had them in > the teens . . . . . _______________________________________________ davidadin at mercydurango.org Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From lsrvette at yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 13:16:45 2007 From: lsrvette at yahoo.com (John Staiger) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:16:45 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? In-Reply-To: References: <000701c80f5e$9e453fa0$0500000a@Den> Message-ID: <01b501c80f5f$f57c6860$e0753920$@com> Come now, the thing-a-ma-jig is a pop corn popper just like my kids had when they were two. As he pushes the car rolls down the salt it goes "pop, pop, pop"... makes everyone think he got a engine in there... John -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+lsrvette=yahoo.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+lsrvette=yahoo.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Adin, David Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM To: Jim Dincau; land Speed List Subject: Re: [Land-speed] ??? Did my google: first balls as we know them were imported into britain from usa in 1900 or 1901. Unless you are referring to the aircraft version . . . . I'm glad someone came up with something other than "lsr turtles" (although that was the most fun). Cheers, David in Durango -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Dincau Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 1:07 PM To: land Speed List Subject: Re: [Land-speed] ??? No balls were cork. Jim > Now I have to go google ping pong balls to find out if they had them in > the teens . . . . . _______________________________________________ davidadin at mercydurango.org Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed _______________________________________________ lsrvette at yahoo.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From jdincau at qnet.com Mon Oct 15 13:24:51 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:24:51 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? References: Message-ID: <001901c80f61$0f20c7b0$0500000a@Den> I was. Jim >Did my google: first balls as we know them were imported into britain >from usa in 1900 or 1901. >Unless you are referring to the aircraft version . . . . >Cheers, >David in Durango >>No, balls were cork. >>Jim From advo at comcast.net Mon Oct 15 14:09:37 2007 From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:09:37 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] [land speed] ??? In-Reply-To: <20071015161842.6D4741879EA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20071015201017.1E1721879F2@autox.team.net> Didn't like the turtle egg theory?.... Well, how about this: Maybe the car belongs to Jerry Kugel, and, as everyone knows, "kugel" is a german word for ball (also Yiddish for noodle or potatoe pudding..) . These balls are mascots. If one mascot is good, than a whole batch is better... -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+advo=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+advo=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Meyers Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:18 AM To: ecpurinton at wildblue.net; land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] [land speed] ??? That is a turtle-egg carrier, and those are turtle eggs. He is an experimental biologist developing a new breed of land-speed record turtle. Exposing those eggs to sun (on the dash), electrical fields (the MSD unit) and speed theoretically is the best combination for these high speed reptiles which may be able to beat rabbits (when rabbits are in the serious competition mode). The question will be whether this type of turtle would compete in the production or modified class...... It would run as altered if it closed its eyes and mouth..... Greg http://salt2salt.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From adin at frontier.net Mon Oct 15 14:17:04 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:17:04 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Re [land speed] ??? In-Reply-To: <47139844.3010001@charter.net> References: <47139844.3010001@charter.net> Message-ID: <20071015141704.lkafo3ppf4swg8c0@webmail.brainstorminternet.net> Are you hinting that the big bottle should be camo and not BLUE or PURPLE? Was it Smokey that said: "criminy, you can smell it all over the infield" ?? D Quoting DougOdom : > Adin, David wrote: > >> Bwahahahaha, at least I'm not alone . . . . >> >> - >> >> Wonder what he might have on the other side that he would rather >> not have anybody notice? >> >> Ed >> >> > Yep, Thats an old NASCAR trick to keep people from finding the (trick) > stuff. Doug in big ditch From v4gr at rcn.com Mon Oct 15 14:36:10 2007 From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:36:10 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? References: Message-ID: <000a01c80f6b$05ab5150$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> I don't like being the one to say this, but maybe the car has a 500hp single stage nitrous kit and some body told the driver " To drive this thing your really going to need some --" Well you get the idea. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adin, David" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:13 AM Subject: [Land-speed] ??? > Any one give me a clue??? > > http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_046r8_jpg.html > > thanks in advance > > David in Durango From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Mon Oct 15 14:38:38 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:38:38 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? In-Reply-To: <000a01c80f6b$05ab5150$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: Spectacular attachments? I don't like being the one to say this, but maybe the car has a 500hp single stage nitrous kit and some body told the driver " To drive this thing your really going to need some --" From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Oct 15 14:42:50 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:42:50 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? References: <000a01c80f6b$05ab5150$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <00fe01c80f6b$f4926010$6601a8c0@Glens> Maybe they were salt balls. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Fox" To: "Adin, David" ; Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] ??? >I don't like being the one to say this, but maybe the car has a 500hp >single > stage nitrous kit and some body told the driver " To drive this thing your > really going to need some --" Well you get the idea. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adin, David" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:13 AM > Subject: [Land-speed] ??? > > >> Any one give me a clue??? >> >> http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_046r8_jpg.html >> >> thanks in advance >> >> David in Durango > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From yesford at clear.net.nz Mon Oct 15 15:19:41 2007 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:19:41 +1300 Subject: [Land-speed] [land speed] ??? In-Reply-To: <20071015161842.6D4741879EA@autox.team.net> References: <20071015161842.6D4741879EA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: That is a turtle-egg carrier, and those are turtle eggs. He is an experimental biologist developing a new breed of land-speed record turtle. Exposing those eggs to sun (on the dash), electrical fields (the MSD unit) and speed theoretically is the best combination for these high speed reptiles which may be able to beat rabbits (when rabbits are in the serious competition mode). The question will be whether this type of turtle would compete in the production or modified class...... It would run as altered if it closed its eyes and mouth..... Greg That's definitely the most plausible answer yet Greg, you've been drinking the bong water again obviously LOL. Chris H.............NZed. From gmc6power at earthlink.net Mon Oct 15 15:26:20 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:26:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Land-speed] [land speed] ??? Message-ID: <27558082.1192483581043.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> They are moth balls. The enter the fuel system thru a secret passege. The competitor is cheeting and will be banned from any santioned event for the rest of their lifes unless OJ finds the real killer of Nicole and Ron. From rbuck at xmission.com Mon Oct 15 15:53:44 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:53:44 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] [land speed] ??? In-Reply-To: References: <20071015161842.6D4741879EA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071015154520.0387a040@xmission.com> At 03:19 PM 10/15/2007, Chris Harris wrote: >That is a turtle-egg carrier, and those are turtle eggs. He is an >experimental biologist developing a new breed of land-speed record turtle. >Exposing those eggs to sun (on the dash), electrical fields (the MSD unit) >and speed theoretically is the best combination for these high speed >reptiles which may be able to beat rabbits (when rabbits are in the serious >competition mode). The question will be whether this type of turtle would >compete in the production or modified class...... It would run as altered if >it closed its eyes and mouth..... >Greg > >That's definitely the most plausible answer yet Greg, you've been drinking the >bong water again obviously LOL. >Chris H.............NZed. I agree. This is the best answer I've heard. I bet USFRA could come up with a class for 'em...sorta like barstools. I don't even want to consider the idea of a "blown" turtle class. Would a meal of refried beans move a turtle to the Fuel class? I shudder to think... Funny about this pic. It's elicited more conversation than any of the others. I almost didn't include it cuz I couldn't figure out what it was. Maybe someone (Glen?) could look up the owner's info and get the real story. 'Course that would spoil all the fun. :) Ray the (turtle egg) Rat From rbuck at xmission.com Mon Oct 15 15:59:20 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:59:20 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] [land speed] ??? In-Reply-To: <27558082.1192483581043.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.s a.earthlink.net> References: <27558082.1192483581043.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071015155410.0384bda8@xmission.com> At 03:26 PM 10/15/2007, James Tone wrote: >They are moth balls. The enter the fuel system thru a secret >passege. The competitor is cheeting and will be banned from any >santioned event for the rest of their lifes unless OJ finds the real >killer of Nicole and Ron. I think they'd have to be golf balls for OJ to find any info on "the real killer" since he seems to be doing most of his searching on the golf course...or in casinos supposedly retrieving property. Maybe that's what they are: containers of evidence in his case...sorta like NASCAR debris. Ray the (moth-eaten) Rat From dmirror3 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 15 17:26:29 2007 From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] ??? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <461477.58181.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com> And where do you think all that salt comes from ? Salt eggs "Adin, David" wrote: Any one give me a clue??? http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_046r8_jpg.html thanks in advance David in Durango _______________________________________________ dmirror3 at yahoo.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed The problem is not that the world is full of fools...it's that lightning is not distributed properly Samuel Clemens --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Oct 15 20:40:16 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:40:16 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Surgery Message-ID: <013a01c80f9d$e5bb2b30$6601a8c0@Glens> Going in tomorrow for knee replacement surgery. Hope to have my lap top with me on Wednesday so I can keep an eye on all of you and the messages. I think I should be home on Friday. Glen From bernien2 at swbell.net Mon Oct 15 20:51:03 2007 From: bernien2 at swbell.net (Bernie Brown) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:51:03 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] mech FI question Message-ID: <008601c80f9f$66aa4270$4101a8c0@CPPresario> I have a dyno question. We've been running a 438BBC with Crower mech stack 2.9 in butterfly, flowed by Kinsler, with a Kinsler barrel valve and have had very satisfactory results in the Big Red Truck from Tx. We tried to run it on a Stuska twin break dyno in July. We spent 10 days and wore out my cell phone with Kinsler. We would bring the engine to 4k and start to adj the initial hold load, go wfo and before we could touch the sweep button, the thing would shake,spit, and die. The plugs were always wet. Pill changes made absolutely no diff. Ran it with a dominater in Oct and was REALLY slow. It worked fine on the dyno with the carb. Are we trying to run it wrong with the fi on the dyno?? Suggestions??Bernie From joyseydevil at comcast.net Mon Oct 15 21:07:25 2007 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:07:25 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] mech FI question Message-ID: <003101c80fa1$adaa0050$9f3d2544@john> Saw that problem once when a guy had the barrel valve backwards . >I have a dyno question. We've been running a 438BBC with Crower mech stack >2.9 > in butterfly, flowed by Kinsler, with a Kinsler barrel valve and have had > very > satisfactory results in the Big Red Truck from Tx. We tried to run it on a > Stuska twin break dyno in July. We spent 10 days and wore out my cell > phone > with Kinsler. We would bring the engine to 4k and start to adj the initial > hold load, go wfo and before we could touch the sweep button, the thing > would > shake,spit, and die. The plugs were always wet. Pill changes made > absolutely > no diff. Ran it with a dominater in Oct and was REALLY slow. It worked > fine > on the dyno with the carb. Are we trying to run it wrong with the fi on > the > dyno?? Suggestions??Bernie From bernien2 at swbell.net Mon Oct 15 21:27:11 2007 From: bernien2 at swbell.net (bernie brown) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:27:11 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] mech FI question References: <003101c80fa1$adaa0050$9f3d2544@john> Message-ID: <009701c80fa4$72025db0$4101a8c0@CPPresario> Wish that was it. It is the same as it came from Kinsler. Idle bypass, timing, pills made no diff. All pressures and flow numbers were what Kinsler said they should be. > Saw that problem once when a guy had the barrel valve backwards . From Flowbench at aol.com Mon Oct 15 21:42:56 2007 From: Flowbench at aol.com (Flowbench at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:42:56 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] mech FI question Message-ID: The simplest thing might be to just start the test at a higher engine speed (say 5000). You can spend a lot of time (as you've found out) trying to make something work when it might be that the engine won't run at WOT with the (pick one) pump pressure, stack length, camshaft, or?? your running. You know it works in the truck so how bad can it be? Next if you can't do a sweep test do a steady state test. Test at 500 rpm intervals to peak speed, thats how we used to do it. Good Luck! Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 15 23:13:30 2007 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 05:13:30 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Surgery In-Reply-To: <013a01c80f9d$e5bb2b30$6601a8c0@Glens> References: <013a01c80f9d$e5bb2b30$6601a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: give'm hell buddy. Keep on Keepin' on cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in exile in So. New York, oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooo > From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com > To: land-speed at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:40:16 -0600 > Subject: [Land-speed] Surgery > > Going in tomorrow for knee replacement surgery. Hope to have my lap top with > me on Wednesday so I can keep an eye on all of you and the messages. I think I > should be home on Friday. > Glen _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From wester6935 at comcast.net Tue Oct 16 06:41:04 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:41:04 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Surgery Message-ID: <101620071241.15083.4714B1600001C94500003AEB2200761064CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Will Carol suggest that the doctors cut out your ornery bone as well? Don't pinch too many nurses. We'll try to save controversial subjects until you get back on line. Wes -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Glen Barrett" > Going in tomorrow for knee replacement surgery. Hope to have my lap top with > me on Wednesday so I can keep an eye on all of you and the messages. I think I > should be home on Friday. > Glen > _______________________________________________ > wester6935 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From vintagethunder at hotmail.com Tue Oct 16 06:41:21 2007 From: vintagethunder at hotmail.com (Udo Horn) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:41:21 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] mech FI question Message-ID: Bernie - Look at your By Pass check valve at the pump. Make sure the ball and spring are properly seated and that the spring has not lost its tension. When you start to tune around an inconsistent valve you end up in left field and the motor will stop running if it opens prematurely. You can troubleshoot the valve by removing the bypass return line hose at the pump, cap the pump and put a plug in the line. Removal will not affect the running of the engine. The bypass is designed to prevent the fuel pressure from spiking the system when the throttle is slammed shut from full throttle operation. Due to the problems the bypass has caused I have removed it complete from my system, the "spike" is minimal. Udo Horn > From: bernien2 at swbell.net> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:51:03 -0500> Subject: [Land-speed] mech FI question> > I have a dyno question. We've been running a 438BBC with Crower mech stack 2.9> in butterfly, flowed by Kinsler, with a Kinsler barrel valve and have had very> satisfactory results in the Big Red Truck from Tx. We tried to run it on a> Stuska twin break dyno in July. We spent 10 days and wore out my cell phone> with Kinsler. We would bring the engine to 4k and start to adj the initial> hold load, go wfo and before we could touch the sweep button, the thing would> shake,spit, and die. The plugs were always wet. Pill changes made absolutely> no diff. Ran it with a dominater in Oct and was REALLY slow. It worked fine> on the dyno with the carb. Are we trying to run it wrong with the fi on the> dyno?? Suggestions??Bernie> _______________________________________________> vintagethunder at hotmail.com> > Land-speed mailing list> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971 033 From neil at dbelltech.com Tue Oct 16 11:15:42 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:15:42 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Day two WF photos In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20071013174856.038755c0@xmission.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20071013174856.038755c0@xmission.com> Message-ID: <00bd01c81018$2eedb910$0200a8c0@DBTech> Thanks again for the nice photos, Ray. It looks like the World Finals was a great event. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ray Buck Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:52 PM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] OT: Day two WF photos Well, I got the rest of the World Finals photos edited and loaded onto my server. http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/Welcome.html The photos I ended up using are pretty much the traditional, straight-up shots and some sequences of cars leaving the start line. I left a few of the "rotated" shots in, but not too many. Sorry, there are no more pictures of the young lady applying decals to the Buckeye Bullet. http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071003/20071003_224r8_jpg.html for those who missed it.) Bummer, huh? :) I think I'll go do something else for a while. Ray the (tired) Rat From FastmetalBDF at aol.com Tue Oct 16 13:08:27 2007 From: FastmetalBDF at aol.com (FastmetalBDF at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:08:27 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Mechanical Injection Problem ....... Message-ID: Bernie ..... I forwarded your email to my friend Dave Zappetini, out there in the SF bay area( Marin County ), and he has run an unblown fuel digger for some years now, and my youngest son Darrell spends a lot of time working on the dragster( while his own Black Radon Eng altered is not yet ready to return to the Salt ...... ) Here is what Dave sent back to me regarding your injectors : You might bring up the idle rpm so the transition is not as great so you can burn the fuel, but with my car we installed a bdk valve to adjust the volume of fuel. The idle jets could be squeezed down to raise the egt temps . You could put a thinner head gasket to raise the compression and burn the fuel. The fuel pump bypass is installed so when you idle fuel goes back to the tank, then you have a pump saver bypass that works when you get off the throttle so you do no hydraulic the pump. This is what we do, but we have 160lbs. of idle fuel pressure and that is not where you are at. The problem sounds like the barrel valve is dumping too much fuel and the motor can not take it. Maybe you could adjust the barrel valve to react slower, by moving the linkage or lenghtening a linkage arm. We calculate the total area of the jets that feed the motor so we can adjust the fuel volume but with a carb you have less of an adjustment which makes it easier to run. Maybe you need to put an under drive on the fuel pump. When they changed the pill how much of a change was made? How much fuel pressure were they using? What is the jet size in the bypass? What spring pressue is in the bypass? Check the bypass for a blockage. What is the fuel percentage? Do you have a Don Jackson fuel book? Dave Z. ( Please send any questions that you might have directly to Dave at : _zappsintro at msn.com_ (mailto:zappsintro at msn.com) ) Good Luck with your Rat Motor ! ..... our cast iron one ran well( 259 + )on the Salt; the following year the aluminum block Merlin one blew( on 20% )part way down the course .....as someone( JD ? ) wrote here recently, the Salt can be a real 'humbler' of many of our best building/racing efforts ! ) Bruce F. on the CT shoreline ~ PS : Good Luck to Glen Barrett on his new ball-joint(s) installation, and, Thanks, again, to him : he was one of the first on the scene when that Merlin self-destructed into many worthless piece$$$$$ ....... ~ SPEED COSTS MONEY ~ HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO ??? ~ ( that sign was over the door to Banjo Matthews' speed shop many, many years ago ) From saltfevr at q.com Tue Oct 16 16:28:35 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:28:35 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] FW: Surgery In-Reply-To: <013a01c80f9d$e5bb2b30$6601a8c0@Glens> References: <013a01c80f9d$e5bb2b30$6601a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: Tom ShannonMagna, Utah From: saltfevr at q.comTo: speedtimer at beyondbb.comSubject: RE: [Land-speed] SurgeryDate: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:21:50 -0600 All right Glen; No back rubs from the "Candy Strippers, Uh, I mean Candy Stripers!! Get better bud. Watch out for the leg lifter machine afterwards! Just ask for your Class D race license. No blowin' up that thang!! Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:40:16 -0600> Subject: [Land-speed] Surgery> > Going in tomorrow for knee replacement surgery. Hope to have my lap top with> me on Wednesday so I can keep an eye on all of you and the messages. I think I> should be home on Friday.> Glen> _______________________________________________> saltfevr at q.com> > Land-speed mailing list> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com Wed Oct 17 05:36:34 2007 From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:36:34 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Surgery In-Reply-To: <013a01c80f9d$e5bb2b30$6601a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB20966BE26@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> Break a Leg!!! Mike Meierle #847 F/P/MP SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA ECTA Record Holder -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.ne t] On Behalf Of Glen Barrett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:40 PM To: landspeed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] Surgery Going in tomorrow for knee replacement surgery. Hope to have my lap top with me on Wednesday so I can keep an eye on all of you and the messages. I think I should be home on Friday. Glen _______________________________________________ mike.meierle at alcatel-lucent.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From bernien2 at swbell.net Wed Oct 17 05:42:47 2007 From: bernien2 at swbell.net (Bernie Brown) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:42:47 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] FI question Message-ID: <000801c810b2$d9adfaa0$4101a8c0@CPPresario> Thanks guys. We'll pull 'er out and put the inj back on as we do a lot of checking. Bernie From wester6935 at comcast.net Wed Oct 17 06:54:20 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:54:20 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Glenn B Message-ID: <101720071254.15262.471605FC0003F3BD00003B9E2207300793CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Just spoke with Glen's nurse who claims he hasn't tried to pinch any nurses yet. He had a restless night but will be going to lunch about 11:00 Mountain Daylight time then to the gym for therapy. They're skilled at this kind of thing at the Dixie Regional Medical Center because of the high proportion of retirees in the area. He's in good hands. Carol will bring his laptop to the hospital later today. Knowing how they abuse patients with knee replacements by getting them on their feet and moving, Glen may be a bit subdued for at leas a day while getting used to having other people tell HIM what to do. Wes. From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Wed Oct 17 07:44:22 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:44:22 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Glenn B In-Reply-To: <101720071254.15262.471605FC0003F3BD00003B9E2207300793CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Message-ID: Good news. I'm sure Glen will be grouchy (a sure sign of feeling well) and mobile soon. And thanks for the update - -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wester6935 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:54 AM To: landspeed list Subject: [Land-speed] Glenn B Just spoke with Glen's nurse who claims he hasn't tried to pinch any nurses yet. He had a restless night but will be going to lunch about 11:00 Mountain Daylight time then to the gym for therapy. They're skilled at this kind of thing at the Dixie Regional Medical Center because of the high proportion of retirees in the area. He's in good hands. Carol will bring his laptop to the hospital later today. Knowing how they abuse patients with knee replacements by getting them on their feet and moving, Glen may be a bit subdued for at leas a day while getting used to having other people tell HIM what to do. Wes. _______________________________________________ davidadin at mercydurango.org Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 17 08:51:56 2007 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:51:56 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Glenn B In-Reply-To: References: <101720071254.15262.471605FC0003F3BD00003B9E2207300793CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Message-ID: I would imagine it would make it a lot harder to chase nurses around the room (what with all the quick starts, fast turns and spins and all...) with a 'bum' knee But, I bet when he git's betta he'll be a holy terra ( pronouncing the dialect of GWB here ) cheers, " Dirt Track Doug" - Get well soon Glen! " in exile in So. New York, and sympathizing with Glen; it ain't NO fun to have bone and muscle pain ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:44:22 -0600 > From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org > To: wester6935 at comcast.net; land-speed at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Glenn B > > Good news. I'm sure Glen will be grouchy (a sure sign of feeling well) > and mobile soon. > > And thanks for the update - 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 > From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net > [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of wester6935 at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:54 AM > To: landspeed list > Subject: [Land-speed] Glenn B > > Just spoke with Glen's nurse who claims he hasn't tried to pinch any > nurses yet. He had a restless night but will be going to lunch about > 11:00 Mountain Daylight time then to the gym for therapy. > > They're skilled at this kind of thing at the Dixie Regional Medical > Center because of the high proportion of retirees in the area. He's in > good hands. Carol will bring his laptop to the hospital later today. > Knowing how they abuse patients with knee replacements by getting them > on their feet and moving, Glen may be a bit subdued for at leas a day > while getting used to having other people tell HIM what to do. Wes _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From wester6935 at comcast.net Wed Oct 17 12:54:09 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:54:09 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] More Glen B. Message-ID: <101720071854.13001.47165A510009A3E2000032C92206824693CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Sounds like everything went well with the surgery. His arthritis had really been a problem with that knee and supposedly they took care of that before inserting the new joint. He's hoping to be home by Friday, in home therapy for a couple of weeks then go to rehab clinic for further exercise and physical therapy as an outpatient. He said there was no visible phone in the room so he was on his cell. He did say the nurses were quite young ... draw your own conclusions! Wes From john.szalay at att.net Wed Oct 17 13:02:35 2007 From: john.szalay at att.net (John Szalay) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:02:35 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Revised "Spirit of America" Message-ID: <101720071902.12182.47165C4B0009122100002F9621602813029B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E040E969CD202080106@att.net> Reno newspaper has a photo of the Breedlove LSR vehicle that Steve Fossett had reworked... http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071016/NEWS17/710160358/1029/FALLON From jdincau at qnet.com Wed Oct 17 13:29:02 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:29:02 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] More Glen B. References: <101720071854.13001.47165A510009A3E2000032C92206824693CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000801c810f3$fc1a0480$0500000a@Den> Compared to him Florence Nightingale would rate as young. > > He did say the nurses were quite young ... draw your own conclusions! From Dale.Clay at mdhelicopters.com Wed Oct 17 13:59:59 2007 From: Dale.Clay at mdhelicopters.com (Clay, Dale) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:59:59 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] More Glen B. In-Reply-To: <101720071854.13001.47165A510009A3E2000032C92206824693CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> References: <101720071854.13001.47165A510009A3E2000032C92206824693CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the updates, Wes. Get well soon, Glen! Dale C. Subject: [Land-speed] More Glen B. Sounds like everything went well with the surgery. His arthritis had really been a problem with that knee and supposedly they took care of that before inserting the new joint. He's hoping to be home by Friday, in home therapy for a couple of weeks then go to rehab clinic for further exercise and physical therapy as an outpatient. He said there was no visible phone in the room so he was on his cell. He did say the nurses were quite young ... draw your own conclusions! Wes _______________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or employees of MD Helicopters, Inc. is prohibited. If you received this in error, pleasecontact the sender by email and delete the material from any computer. From BWANA343 at aol.com Wed Oct 17 14:15:07 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:15:07 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] More Glen B. Message-ID: In a message dated 10/17/2007 3:30:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jdincau at qnet.com writes: Compared to him Florence Nightingale would rate as young. Ba-Dum -bum...When he was a kid the red cross was black and white ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From kd5kzn at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 18 00:28:42 2007 From: kd5kzn at sbcglobal.net (Bow) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:28:42 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Revised "Spirit of America" In-Reply-To: <101720071902.12182.47165C4B0009122100002F9621602813029B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E040E969CD202080106@att.net> Message-ID: <20071018003822.8BF4C1879C9@autox.team.net> Damn, I'd love to see that thing run. You think they will ever give it a go with a different driver? Bow -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+kd5kzn=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+kd5kzn=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Szalay Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 14:03 To: landspeed Subject: [Land-speed] Revised "Spirit of America" Reno newspaper has a photo of the Breedlove LSR vehicle that Steve Fossett had reworked... http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071016/NEWS17/710160358/102 9/FALLON _______________________________________________ kd5kzn at sbcglobal.net Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 14:14 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1074 - Release Date: 10/16/2007 14:14 From sparky.2211 at cox.net Wed Oct 17 21:03:35 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:03:35 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] ??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is to remind him to keep his foot on the floor!!!!!!!!!! Sparky AA/_ L 2211 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adin, David" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:13 AM Subject: [Land-speed] ??? > Any one give me a clue??? > > http://www.chevyasylum.com/bsf2007/wf/20071004/20071004_046r8_jpg.html From sparky.2211 at cox.net Wed Oct 17 21:22:09 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:22:09 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Surgery In-Reply-To: <013a01c80f9d$e5bb2b30$6601a8c0@Glens> References: <013a01c80f9d$e5bb2b30$6601a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: <69841A51B6AA472DA395763F51CBE3EA@LMS> Good luck on the surgery!!!!!!!!!!! Sparky AA/_ L 2211 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Barrett" To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Surgery From saltracer at awwwsome.com Thu Oct 18 13:00:21 2007 From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:00:21 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [Land-speed] Surgery References: <013a01c80f9d$e5bb2b30$6601a8c0@Glens> <69841A51B6AA472DA395763F51CBE3EA@LMS> Message-ID: <4717AD44.000025.03636@HOME> Hello to all, I have been away from my office computer (that is where my email reside) since Monday AM so I am not up to speed on the happenings. I gather from a couple of recent emails that Glen has had or is scheduled for knee surgery. Just be sure that all will go well. It makes you a new man. I had a replacement at the end of January and took up walking as exercise for the first time in fifteen years. It doesn't fix everything, however. A couple of months ago, I had low back pain which ran down my right leg. Went to the chiropractor for four adjustments, all the while hustling to get the car back together, the pain went away but my legs were very weak. During a scheduled follow up visit to my doctor Wednesday the 10th for my blood pressure, I mention the weakness in my legs. He checked my legs for reflex, there was none in my right leg...a MRI that PM, an appointment with the back doctor Monday AM and emergency surgery Monday PM. The urgency with which they moved was a bit scary, but wasn't as bad as they thought. A herniated disc and a tear in the tissue which looked like a ruputured disc in the MRI. They repaired the disc, removed a vascular mass and a blood clot. I came home Wednesday morning feeling great, the prognosis is good, just can t drive for six to eight weeks and must limit my lifting to ten pounds for at least six months and be careful after that. If that isn't enough, Margaret is recovering from surgery about a month ago to repair a couple of tears in a knee ligament . Now she goes to surgery next Thursday to fix a detach bicep ligament in her right arm. This is the same injury that Barry and Dan have experienced during the last two years.. Must be in her family genes! I didn't intend to get long winded, just want everyone to know why I may not be too responsive for a while. While in the hospital yesterday, I wrote my WOS and WF report for the web site and will be posting them as soon as I can make it to the office. Tom, Redding CA #216 D/FCC (Life is good!) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of elephant_en.gif] From Flowbench at aol.com Thu Oct 18 15:15:38 2007 From: Flowbench at aol.com (Flowbench at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:15:38 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Surgery Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/2007 12:01:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, saltracer at awwwsome.com writes: > didn't intend to get long winded, just want everyone to know why I may not > be too responsive for a while. While in the hospital yesterday, I wrote my > WOS and WF report for the web site and will be posting them as soon as I can > make it to the office. > > Tom, Redding CA #216 D/FCC (Life is good!) > Tom, you and Glen get better ASAP! we need your input for the history of LSR that is being put together. Take care you guys. Mike ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From saltfevr at q.com Thu Oct 18 17:18:42 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:18:42 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] (non lsr) Garlits CHHR display Message-ID: These 2 pics were forwarded to me. The man is still amazing!! Hope the two digger photos come thru! Enjoy!!Tom ShannonMagna, Utah From dlodom at charter.net Fri Oct 19 13:48:08 2007 From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:48:08 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] El Mirage this weekend Message-ID: <471909F8.6030508@charter.net> Who all is going to El Mirage this weekend? Sparky? Ed? I have the duty there this weekend so I was hoping I would see some of my friends there. Only have 3 and I don't know if they really like me all that much. Will be at station 3 tower side. Doug in big ditch From saltfevr at q.com Fri Oct 19 17:06:27 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:06:27 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] 2008 Race Schedule Message-ID: http://www.scta-bni.org/SCTA-NewWeb/Events.html With the date changes,lets hope the 500+ additional hotel rooms really happen. Get those dialing fingers ready!!!Tom ShannonMagna, Utah From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Fri Oct 19 17:47:32 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:47:32 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Glenn B References: <101720071254.15262.471605FC0003F3BD00003B9E2207300793CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00cd01c812aa$6b3f7400$6601a8c0@Glens> OK gang, I'm home and hurt like hell. The PT is tough but working thru it each day. Thanks to all of the great get well' s. The nurses are faster these days or I am getting older. The hospital and doctors and staff were great. I hope I'm not down to long as we have a race car to get ready and don't want to drag our feet. Thanks again. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "landspeed list" Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:54 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Glenn B > Just spoke with Glen's nurse who claims he hasn't tried to pinch any > nurses yet. He had a restless night but will be going to lunch about > 11:00 Mountain Daylight time then to the gym for therapy. > > They're skilled at this kind of thing at the Dixie Regional Medical Center > because of the high proportion of retirees in the area. He's in good > hands. Carol will bring his laptop to the hospital later today. Knowing > how they abuse patients with knee replacements by getting them on their > feet and moving, Glen may be a bit subdued for at leas a day while getting > used to having other people tell HIM what to do. > > Wes. > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From saltfevr at q.com Fri Oct 19 17:53:55 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:53:55 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Glenn B In-Reply-To: <00cd01c812aa$6b3f7400$6601a8c0@Glens> References: <101720071254.15262.471605FC0003F3BD00003B9E2207300793CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> <00cd01c812aa$6b3f7400$6601a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: Welcome home Glen!! What race car??? BTW ,while your recouping, heres a link to Fomoso California Hot Rod Runion Pics from last week. http://www.graybeardracing.com click on 2007 event gallery,then CHRR, only the drag links work..enjoyTom ShannonMagna, Utah> From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com> To: wester6935 at comcast.net; land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:47:32 -0600> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Glenn B> > OK gang, I'm home and hurt like hell. The PT is tough but working thru it > each day. Thanks to all of the great get well' s. The nurses are faster > these days or I am getting older. The hospital and doctors and staff were > great. I hope I'm not down to long as we have a race car to get ready and > don't want to drag our feet. Thanks again.> Glen> ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "landspeed list" > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 6:54 AM> Subject: [Land-speed] Glenn B> > > > Just spoke with Glen's nurse who claims he hasn't tried to pinch any > > nurses yet. He had a restless night but will be going to lunch about > > 11:00 Mountain Daylight time then to the gym for therapy.> >> > They're skilled at this kind of thing at the Dixie Regional Medical Center > > because of the high proportion of retirees in the area. He's in good > > hands. Carol will bring his laptop to the hospital later today. Knowing > > how they abuse patients with knee replacements by getting them on their > > feet and moving, Glen may be a bit subdued for at leas a day while getting > > used to having other people tell HIM what to do.> >> > Wes.> > _______________________________________________> > speedtimer at beyondbb.com> >> > Land-speed mailing list> >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed> _______________________________________________> saltfevr at q.com> > Land-speed mailing list> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From wester6935 at comcast.net Fri Oct 19 19:31:32 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:31:32 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] 2008 Race Schedule Message-ID: <102020070131.23451.47195A740006CAA300005B9B2200761438CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> World of Speed Sept 17-20 2008 Wes -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: TOM M SHANNON > http://www.scta-bni.org/SCTA-NewWeb/Events.html > > With the date changes,lets hope the 500+ additional hotel rooms really happen. > Get those dialing fingers ready!!!Tom ShannonMagna, Utah > _______________________________________________ > wester6935 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From saltfever at comcast.net Sat Oct 20 04:37:29 2007 From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:37:29 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Slip Indicator Message-ID: <000a01c81305$36f047a0$6401a8c0@dim8100> Keith: A couple of months ago you mentioned that the Camaro had a slip indicator. Could you tell us a little about it? Did it use the front wheel as a reference? Was it a commercial device or did someone do the electronics for you? Also, did a light come on or sumptin else? What percent of slip was supposed to trigger it? I realize traction control is now allowed and there are commercial items available but I'm more interested in driver control. Not really interested in a slew-rate device. Many thanks for your help. -Elon From john.szalay at att.net Sat Oct 20 06:12:19 2007 From: john.szalay at att.net (John Szalay) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:12:19 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Glenn B Message-ID: <102020071212.13480.4719F0A300038E07000034A821587667559B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E040E969CD202080106@att.net> -------------- Original message from "Glen Barrett" : > OK gang, I'm home and hurt like hell. The PT is tough but working thru it > each day. Thanks to all of the great get well' s. The nurses are faster > these days or I am getting older. The hospital and doctors and staff were > great. I hope I'm not down to long as we have a race car to get ready and > don't want to drag our feet. Thanks again. > Glen Good to hear, but, TAKE TIME to HEAL.. From saltfevr at q.com Sat Oct 20 21:28:41 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:28:41 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] (non lsr) Shav Glick passes Message-ID: 87 yr. old LA Times Race Reporter Shav Glick passes. http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-glick21oct21,0,4280651.story?col l=la-home-obituaries if link doesn't work go: http://www.latimes.com and click on story or type in search window. First Wally, now Shav. Godspeed.Tom ShannonMagna, Utah From saltfevr at q.com Sat Oct 20 21:38:34 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:38:34 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Terry Nish inducted into Utah Hall of Fame Message-ID: http://www.nishmotorsports.com/HOF_TerryNish_2007.htmlThis announcement came over the PA today during a kart race at Millers Track in Tooele. Way to go Terry!!Tom ShannonMagna, Utah From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Sun Oct 21 09:51:24 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:51:24 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Glenn B In-Reply-To: <00cd01c812aa$6b3f7400$6601a8c0@Glens> References: <101720071254.15262.471605FC0003F3BD00003B9E2207300793CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> <00cd01c812aa$6b3f7400$6601a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: <471B757C.2030900@wildblue.net> Thanks for the good news Glen. Everyone I've talked to that has had it done, is very happy with the result. As you now, the PT is a bitch but worth it. Remember the old saying, "Pain is weakness leaving your body." Bryan Glen Barrett wrote: > OK gang, I'm home and hurt like hell. The PT is tough but working thru it > each day. Thanks to all of the great get well' s. The nurses are faster > these days or I am getting older. The hospital and doctors and staff were > great. I hope I'm not down to long as we have a race car to get ready and > don't want to drag our feet. Thanks again. > Glen From saltracer at awwwsome.com Sun Oct 21 14:17:54 2007 From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:17:54 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] 2007 Season Message-ID: <002401c8141f$8d2ae740$0700005a@TOM> Sunflower Hello to all: This has been a season to remember...I am waiting for the other shoe to drop! Honestly, I have no complaints. As Keith likes to say, "Life is good". We have had yet another season of challenges and climbing the learning curve, but we survived to race again another day. The health issues are to be expected when you have traveled down the road as long as I have. Besides my back emergency, my wife, Margaret, is scheduled for surgery to reattach the bicep ligaments to her elbow in her right arm. It is the same injury that both Barry and Dan have had in the last two years. I feel truely blessed to have the heath and energy to continue in this fray. God is good! I have just posted my reports for the "World of Speed" and the "World Finals" on my web site if you want "the rest of the story". Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of sunbannA.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Sunflower Bkgrd.jpg] From yesford at clear.net.nz Sun Oct 21 18:31:16 2007 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris R Harris) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:31:16 +1300 Subject: [Land-speed] Glenn B References: <101720071254.15262.471605FC0003F3BD00003B9E2207300793CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> <00cd01c812aa$6b3f7400$6601a8c0@Glens> <471B757C.2030900@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <002601c81442$de6b4c30$519ea7cb@Wendover> Good to hear your up and mobile once again Glen. The 08 racing season is just over the horizon my friend. Looking forward to catching up again and hopefully hearing good news from you over the PA once again. Till then push that dreaded rehab and seat that new component, life is good. Chris H...................NZed. Glen Barrett wrote: > OK gang, I'm home and hurt like hell. The PT is tough but working thru it > each day. Thanks to all of the great get well' s. The nurses are faster > these days or I am getting older. The hospital and doctors and staff were > great. I hope I'm not down to long as we have a race car to get ready and > don't want to drag our feet. Thanks again. > Glen From jgmagoo at comcast.net Mon Oct 22 12:33:56 2007 From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:33:56 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Why Was Tom's Link Removed???>From>JGMagoo Message-ID: <102220071833.26953.471CED140009FAE90000694922007507440101090E030906@comcast.net> Site Administrator, Why was Tom From jgmagoo at comcast.net Mon Oct 22 12:36:15 2007 From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:36:15 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Why Was Tom 's Link Removed?>From>JG Magoo Message-ID: <102220071836.22185.471CED9F0003E487000056A922070009530101090E030906@comcast.net> Site Administrator, Why was Tom Bryant's link to his website removed?? I think a lot of subscribers would love to see it. JG From kturk at ala.net Mon Oct 22 16:09:23 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:09:23 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Hmmm NO LSR ... Message-ID: <041001c814f8$34969d70$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> So here you go... When Dave Dahlgren quit smoking last year... it made me think a bit... and The more I thought about it the better I liked the idea... so it fermented a bit..and I got to thinking that it would make a cool birthday present to myself.... so on my 50th birthday I quit smoking... that would be 13 days ago... I'm using a combination of things to make this happen... but the best thing I did was Get the hell out of my life for a few of the first days... I took off for 3 days on a motorcycle and went to a place called " the tail of the dragon " ... you can look it up on line... but mostly it's 318 turns in 11 miles... a very cool ride up there in the Smokey mountains... and I got away from every constant reminder that I had around me... The second thing was this drug called chantix... and honestly because I wanted to quit anyway... it's working like a champ to help me control the urges... it's still hard to be in my shop... as every turn there reminds me of a cigarette... but it's getting much better every day. DO ME a favor if you wish to respond to this... please do it individually then a reply to all... most folks don't need to rehash this over and over... Thanks... Keith From mdsiewer at ucalgary.ca Mon Oct 22 16:21:46 2007 From: mdsiewer at ucalgary.ca (Mike Siewert) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:21:46 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Why Was Tom 's Link Removed?>From>JG Magoo In-Reply-To: <102220071836.22185.471CED9F0003E487000056A922070009530101090E030906@comcast.net> References: <102220071836.22185.471CED9F0003E487000056A922070009530101090E030906@comcast.net> Message-ID: <471D227A.6050304@ucalgary.ca> jgmagoo at comcast.net wrote: > Site Administrator, > > Why was Tom Bryant's link to his website removed?? > > I think a lot of subscribers would love to see it. > > JG > _______________________________________________ > Actually from the looks of Tom's previous message it is images (a sunflower banner and background) that were removed. This being a text based list, removal of image attachments is expected. Links are text and should flow through Here's Tom's 2007 page; http://www.bryantauto.com/2007.htm -- -- Michael D. Siewert Department of Chemistry, University of Calgary Calgary, Alberta, Canada tel. 403 220 7228 fax. 403 289 9488 http://www.ucalgary.ca/~mdsiewer From kturk at ala.net Mon Oct 22 16:51:55 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:51:55 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Why Was Tom 's Link Removed?>From>JG Magoo References: <102220071836.22185.471CED9F0003E487000056A922070009530101090E030906@comcast.net> <471D227A.6050304@ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: <043501c814fe$25f79390$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> your right...this is a pure text thing... no pictures or banners allowed... K From kturk at ala.net Tue Oct 23 04:41:45 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:41:45 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Aptitude test... Message-ID: <04d601c81561$4fd02070$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/quizzes/MechanicalAptitude.php I sucked... 88... how'd you do? Oh remember it's NOT timed... so kick back and enjoy it... Keith From SCowle at mentorcollege.edu Tue Oct 23 06:35:41 2007 From: SCowle at mentorcollege.edu (Scott Cowle) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:35:41 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Oct meet Message-ID: <471DB25D0200003800005319@gw.mentorcollege.edu> Well this is getting downright embarrassing-this is the third meet that I have failed to produce any good results-everything happens in threes right? So next time we'll be back to racing and staying together throughout the whole meet. Anyways-my sincere apologies for oilin down the track Saturday morning and a great big thank you to the Turks and Joe and Donna and all of the fantastic volunteers.Each time I go to Maxton I appreciate them more and more-they work hard to produce a great race. Thanks to the Snart racing team and Joe Roberts and everyone who came by my pit to speak to me. I really love being there. I'll be back! Scott-#441 The "Eh" Team-P.S. See ya next year,or maybe the year after-depends on the repairs-but I will be there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication may contain confidential or privileged proprietary material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, or distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive the information from the recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies of this message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <<>> From lsrvette at yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 06:59:28 2007 From: lsrvette at yahoo.com (John Staiger) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:59:28 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Aptitude test... In-Reply-To: <04d601c81561$4fd02070$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> References: <04d601c81561$4fd02070$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <006201c81574$918c2690$b4a473b0$@com> 94% - I disagree with the question on the balloons... (grin). The other two were miss reads... Like Keith said, take your time... JLS -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+lsrvette=yahoo.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+lsrvette=yahoo.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Keith Turk Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:42 AM To: land-speed at autox.team.net; ECTALSR at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Land-speed] Aptitude test... http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/quizzes/MechanicalAptitude.php I sucked... 88... how'd you do? Oh remember it's NOT timed... so kick back and enjoy it... Keith _______________________________________________ lsrvette at yahoo.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From advo at comcast.net Tue Oct 23 07:17:47 2007 From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:17:47 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] square tubing and flathead questions In-Reply-To: <006201c81574$918c2690$b4a473b0$@com> Message-ID: <20071023131830.7FD1B1879D1@autox.team.net> Building period vehicle. When did square steel tubing become available? At the salt, what could one expect would be typical rpms for peak torque of a prepared* normally aspirated 8BA? blown 8BA? Thanks Greg http://salt2salt.com http://turbostude.com/Tribaker/index.htm * meaning good rods, main bearing girdles, forged pistons etc. From saltracer at awwwsome.com Tue Oct 23 08:09:07 2007 From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:09:07 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [Land-speed] Why Was Tom 's Link Removed?>From>JG Magoo References: <102220071836.22185.471CED9F0003E487000056A922070009530101090E030906@comcast.net> Message-ID: <471E0082.000001.03480@TOM> JG, Sorry, it wasn't removed, I just forgot to include it. Brain fade! Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC -------Original Message------- From: jgmagoo at comcast.net Date: 10/22/07 11:37:32 To: land-speed-digest Subject: [Land-speed] Why Was Tom 's Link Removed?>From>JG Magoo Site Administrator, Why was Tom Bryant's link to his website removed?? I think a lot of subscribers would love to see it. JG [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of imstp_pets_cat1_en.gif] From sparky.2211 at cox.net Tue Oct 23 08:13:41 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:13:41 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Oct meet In-Reply-To: <471DB25D0200003800005319@gw.mentorcollege.edu> References: <471DB25D0200003800005319@gw.mentorcollege.edu> Message-ID: <4A9C14DBF6B04BCAABCBFBE03A268175@LMS> Scott, Will you please share what happened---inquiring minds would like to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sparky AA/_ L 2211 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cowle" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:35 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Oct meet > Well this is getting downright embarrassing-this is the third meet that I > have > failed to produce any good results-everything happens in threes right? So > next > time we'll be back to racing and staying together throughout the whole > meet. > Anyways-my sincere apologies for oilin down the track Saturday morning and > a > great big thank you to the Turks and Joe and Donna and all of the > fantastic > volunteers.Each time I go to Maxton I appreciate them more and more-they > work > hard to produce a great race. Thanks to the Snart racing team and Joe > Roberts > and everyone who came by my pit to speak to me. I really love being there. > I'll be back! Scott-#441 The "Eh" Team-P.S. See ya next year,or maybe the > year > after-depends on the repairs-but I will be there. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > This communication may contain confidential or privileged > proprietary material for the sole use of the intended recipient. From saltracer at awwwsome.com Tue Oct 23 08:21:48 2007 From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:21:48 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [Land-speed] Quitting Cigarettes References: <102220071836.22185.471CED9F0003E487000056A922070009530101090E030906@comcast.net> <471D227A.6050304@ucalgary.ca> <043501c814fe$25f79390$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <471E037C.000004.03480@TOM> Keith & all, Congratulations to you Keith, and to all who would like to get their lungs back. I quit cold turkey after Speedweek 1961, forty-six years ago. Without a doubt, it was close to the top of good things I have done. I carried cigarettes for at least a month, chewed gum and sucked on lemon drops until my mouth was sore, but I can tell you this. Quitting cigarettes is a "one urge at a time deal". If you smoke a cigarette, it is a short term fix.. ten minutes you need another. It is the same with quitting, don't yield to the urge and it goes away for a while, then will return. Each time you don't yield becomes easier the next time. What ever you do, don't give in to the desire to just try one again. Hang in there! I guarantee you it is worth it. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of elephant_en.gif] From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Tue Oct 23 08:49:04 2007 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:49:04 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Humor Message-ID: <002401c81583$dbffc290$6601a8c0@Rick> I almost never forward messages I receive, but couldn't resist with this one. I was feeling a bit depressed the other day, so I called the Help Hotline. I was put through to a 'call center' in Pakistan. I explained that I was feeling suicidal. They were very excited at this news and wanted to know if I could drive a truck or fly an airplane.... From SCowle at mentorcollege.edu Tue Oct 23 08:49:18 2007 From: SCowle at mentorcollege.edu (Scott Cowle) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:49:18 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Oct meet In-Reply-To: <4A9C14DBF6B04BCAABCBFBE03A268175@LMS> References: <471DB25D0200003800005319@gw.mentorcollege.edu> <4A9C14DBF6B04BCAABCBFBE03A268175@LMS> Message-ID: <471DD1AE0200003800005347@gw.mentorcollege.edu> As near as I can tell Sparky, the rad cap backed off to the point where once it built up pressure it released it all at once and the air filter for the supercharger is right in line with it.I think the engine ingested a large amount of fluid all at once.When I took the filter off there was a puddle of fluid in the intake pipe leading to the supercharger.I do not know yet but maybe the engine experienced a hydraulic lock in two of the cylinders and broke pistons or bent rods but one cylinder had no compression at all, so I did not bother to test the other-I knew I was done. At first I thought I had left the cap undone but upon inspection I realized the cap was not clamping onto the rad tightly enough and vibration may very well have backed it off enough to cause the disaster we experienced .But we live and learn and next time before each run Jim and I are going to do a thorough inspection of the little things to try and avoid a repeat of this. We will be back asap. Scott >>> "Sparky" 10/23/2007 10:13:41 AM >>> Scott, Will you please share what happened---inquiring minds would like to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sparky AA/_ L 2211 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cowle" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:35 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Oct meet > Well this is getting downright embarrassing-this is the third meet that I > have > failed to produce any good results-everything happens in threes right? So > next > time we'll be back to racing and staying together throughout the whole > meet. > Anyways-my sincere apologies for oilin down the track Saturday morning and > a > great big thank you to the Turks and Joe and Donna and all of the > fantastic > volunteers.Each time I go to Maxton I appreciate them more and more-they > work > hard to produce a great race. Thanks to the Snart racing team and Joe > Roberts > and everyone who came by my pit to speak to me. I really love being there. > I'll be back! Scott-#441 The "Eh" Team-P.S. See ya next year,or maybe the > year > after-depends on the repairs-but I will be there. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > This communication may contain confidential or privileged > proprietary material for the sole use of the intended recipient. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication may contain confidential or privileged proprietary material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, or distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive the information from the recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies of this message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <<>> From saltracer at awwwsome.com Tue Oct 23 08:53:15 2007 From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:53:15 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [Land-speed] Why Was Tom 's Link Removed?>From>JG Magoo References: <102220071836.22185.471CED9F0003E487000056A922070009530101090E030906@comcast.net> <471E0082.000001.03480@TOM> Message-ID: <471E0ADA.000007.03480@TOM> Try this http://www.bryantauto.com/2007.htm Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of imstp_pets_cat1_en.gif] From ddahlgren at snet.net Tue Oct 23 09:08:18 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:08:18 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Oct meet In-Reply-To: <471DD1AE0200003800005347@gw.mentorcollege.edu> Message-ID: <000f01c81586$a1e6af30$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Here is a more likely alternate theory.. You lifted the head gasket sent compression from the now dead hole into the cooling system and blew the cap off..You would be amazed at how much water an engine can ingest and not get hurt... Also how easy it can be to lift a head gasket as well.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Cowle Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:49 AM To: land-speed at autox.team.net; Sparky Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Oct meet As near as I can tell Sparky, the rad cap backed off to the point where once it built up pressure it released it all at once and the air filter for the supercharger is right in line with it.I think the engine ingested a large amount of fluid all at once.When I took the filter off there was a puddle of fluid in the intake pipe leading to the supercharger.I do not know yet but maybe the engine experienced a hydraulic lock in two of the cylinders and broke pistons or bent rods but one cylinder had no compression at all, so I did not bother to test the other-I knew I was done. At first I thought I had left the cap undone but upon inspection I realized the cap was not clamping onto the rad tightly enough and vibration may very well have backed it off enough to cause the disaster we experienced .But we live and learn and next time before each run Jim and I are going to do a thorough inspection of the little things to try and avoid a repeat of this. We will be back asap. Scott No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Oct 23 09:31:27 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:31:27 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Oct meet In-Reply-To: <000f01c81586$a1e6af30$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> References: <000f01c81586$a1e6af30$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Message-ID: <471E13CF.60407@mayfco.com> Yeah, my first thought was blown head gasket and that putting boost into the radiator. That will also let water intot he cylinder as well. mayf ddahlgren at snet.net wrote: >Here is a more likely alternate theory.. >You lifted the head gasket sent compression from the now dead hole into >the cooling system and blew the cap off..You would be amazed at how much >water an engine can ingest and not get hurt... Also how easy it can be >to lift a head gasket as well.. >Dave > >-----Original Message----- >From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net >[mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of Scott Cowle >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:49 AM >To: land-speed at autox.team.net; Sparky >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Oct meet > > >As near as I can tell Sparky, the rad cap backed off to the point where >once it built up pressure it released it all at once and the air filter >for the supercharger is right in line with it.I think the engine >ingested a large amount of fluid all at once.When I took the filter off >there was a puddle of fluid in the intake pipe leading to the >supercharger.I do not know yet but maybe the engine experienced a >hydraulic lock in two of the cylinders and broke pistons or bent rods >but one cylinder had no compression at all, so I did not bother to test >the other-I knew I was done. At first I thought I had left the cap >undone but upon inspection I realized the cap was not clamping onto the >rad tightly enough and vibration may very well have backed it off enough >to cause the disaster we experienced .But we live and learn and next >time before each run Jim and I are going to do a thorough inspection of >the little things to try and avoid a repeat of this. We will be back >asap. Scott > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: >10/20/2007 2:59 PM > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From karhu at california.com Tue Oct 23 11:19:05 2007 From: karhu at california.com (Benn) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:19:05 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Aptitude test... References: <04d601c81561$4fd02070$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <000501c81598$d0746380$6801a8c0@BennsDesktop> Lotta problems with that test, including confusing force with pressure, distributed loads with concentrated loads, etc. But the main squawk I have is directed at myself: I can't believe I got sucked into doing the whole thing. Benn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:41 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Aptitude test... > http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/quizzes/MechanicalAptitude.php > > I sucked... 88... > > how'd you do? > > Oh remember it's NOT timed... so kick back and enjoy it... > > Keith > _______________________________________________ > karhu at california.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From neil at dbelltech.com Tue Oct 23 11:23:58 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:23:58 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Aptitude test... In-Reply-To: <006201c81574$918c2690$b4a473b0$@com> References: <04d601c81561$4fd02070$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> <006201c81574$918c2690$b4a473b0$@com> Message-ID: <00c101c81599$7f8a5190$0200a8c0@DBTech> John, Keith; I scored 90%, but I think they should have said "ignoring friction in some of the pulley questions. I maintain that question #31 is completely wrong-- look at the drawing; the center of mass of the 300 lb box on the left is spaced one segment away from the pivot point while the center of the other box is spaced 5 segments away. Thus the correct answer should be 300/5 = 60 lbs. I think they mistakenly used the whole length instead of the length between the center of the boxes. Have I overlooked something? Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Staiger Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:59 AM To: 'Keith Turk'; land-speed at autox.team.net; ECTALSR at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Aptitude test... 94% - I disagree with the question on the balloons... (grin). The other two were miss reads... Like Keith said, take your time... JLS -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+lsrvette=yahoo.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+lsrvette=yahoo.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Keith Turk Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:42 AM To: land-speed at autox.team.net; ECTALSR at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Land-speed] Aptitude test... http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/quizzes/MechanicalAptitude.php I sucked... 88... how'd you do? Oh remember it's NOT timed... so kick back and enjoy it... Keith From gary at arrowracing.org Tue Oct 23 11:57:26 2007 From: gary at arrowracing.org (Gary C. Hensley) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:57:26 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Test Message-ID: <007701c8159e$38749680$0500000a@Presario2100> I only scored an 80, just passed HYPERLINK "mailto:!#$@^#&$"!#$@^#&$&* wish I knew which ones I missed? Gary C Hensley Phone: 248-670-0883 Team Arrow Racing #1150B World Land Speed Record Holder S-G-650 210.728 mph August 21, 2004 Fastest 500 cc Motorcycle on the Planet 228.559mph August 18, 2006 HYPERLINK "http://www.arrowracing.org/"http://www.arrowracing.org/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 201.276sm.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of tech.gif] From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Tue Oct 23 12:42:19 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:42:19 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Test In-Reply-To: <007701c8159e$38749680$0500000a@Presario2100> Message-ID: While I "may" have gotten a higher score, it was worth the 12 minutes. Some questions were clearly wrong, and written by the fellow that did my 7th grade algebra text. If Keith stopped smoking and dahlgren recommended two step smaller jets, how fast would Seldom go in the afternoon? Correct answer? Mayf is a monkey's uncle no matter how much boost. Hope Glen can make the soccer game . . . . David in Durango Desk jockey and icky old man . . . I only scored an 80, just passed HYPERLINK "mailto:!#$@^#&$"!#$@^#&$&* wish I knew which ones I missed? Gary C Hensley Phone: 248-670-0883 Team Arrow Racing #1150B World Land Speed Record Holder S-G-650 210.728 mph August 21, 2004 Fastest 500 cc Motorcycle on the Planet 228.559mph August 18, 2006 HYPERLINK "http://www.arrowracing.org/"http://www.arrowracing.org/ -- From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com Tue Oct 23 13:00:21 2007 From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:00:21 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB2096FE107@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> I can't stop laughing............ Mike Meierle #847 F/P/MP SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA ECTA Record Holder If Keith stopped smoking and dahlgren recommended two step smaller jets, how fast would Seldom go in the afternoon? Correct answer? Mayf is a monkey's uncle no matter how much boost. From zoombot at cox.net Tue Oct 23 14:16:11 2007 From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:16:11 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Mech. Apt. Test Message-ID: <000901c815b1$8e0b5080$76f8cd48@HomePC> List - I've been working on cars & motors since I was a kid, worked as a machinist and repairman for most of my adult life. I thought I was doing pretty well and should have scored better than 58% on that darn test. Probably blew it in the electrical portion. Who else wants to try? http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/quizzes/MechanicalAptitude.php - Chris Pile aka aircap From BWANA343 at aol.com Tue Oct 23 13:22:11 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:22:11 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Oct meet Message-ID: In a message dated 10/23/2007 8:39:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCowle at mentorcollege.edu writes: Well this is getting downright embarrassing-this is the third meet that I have failed to produce any good results-everything happens in threes right? So next time we'll be back to racing and staying together throughout the whole meet. Anyways-my sincere apologies for oilin down the track Saturday morning I had stayed back to organize the trailer while the car was in the longish start line and had just stepped out to walk over to CheerWine central when I saw you gothrough the traps trailing that large cloud of White smoke. The response of practically every volunteer was very reassuring, as usual. Glad you/it are OK ! Sorry I didn't get to socialize with anyone besides those that stopped our pits, I was either there or up on the picture taker tower thingie waiting for our two crappie runs. Cause; basically gearing parts incompatibility. Beautiful weekend, possibly a little too much wind, but it would've been hot w/o it. We haven't made much headway in the last few meets, but we are still very optimistic and will be at the HotRod thing in April, with lessons learned, both in Tech and Track. Bob , I-95 SUCKS !, W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From gmc6power at earthlink.net Tue Oct 23 13:40:26 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:40:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Land-speed] Mech. Apt. Test Message-ID: <26162551.1193168427453.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hey guys before you sign off the test go up into the right hand top corner and click on the first Icon and see how you did on each question...... > > List - > > I've been working on cars & motors since I was a kid, worked as a >machinist and repairman for most of my adult life. I thought I was doing >pretty well and should have scored better than 58% on that darn test. Probably >blew it in the electrical portion. > Who else wants to try? > > http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/quizzes/MechanicalAptitude.php > > - Chris Pile aka aircap >_______________________________________________ >gmc6power at earthlink.net > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ddahlgren at snet.net Tue Oct 23 13:38:47 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:38:47 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Test In-Reply-To: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB2096FE107@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> Message-ID: <005801c815ac$9a9d56e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> If you really want ot know my idea is 2 steps down on the jet 4 lbs of boost and while at it step her up 2 more degrees of lead..LOL have you ever heard 50 lbs of boost on a 4 cylinder?? LOL.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MEIERLE Mike Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:00 PM To: Adin, David; Gary C. Hensley; LandSpeed Digest Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Test I can't stop laughing............ Mike Meierle No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Tue Oct 23 14:20:57 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:20:57 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Test In-Reply-To: <005801c815ac$9a9d56e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> References: <005801c815ac$9a9d56e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Message-ID: <471E57A9.2070404@wildblue.net> Dave, I've hears of 115 lbs boost on a 4 cylinder diesel. 3 stage, intercooled turbos - John Deer, I think. It blew the head about 10 feet into the air. Amazing Bryan ddahlgren at snet.net wrote: > If you really want ot know my idea is 2 steps down on the jet 4 lbs of > boost and while at it step her up 2 more degrees of lead..LOL have you > ever heard 50 lbs of boost on a 4 cylinder?? LOL.. > Dave From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Tue Oct 23 14:45:27 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:45:27 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Test In-Reply-To: <005801c815ac$9a9d56e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Message-ID: I figured Dave would have the real skinny . . . Indy cars? 38" of boost is what in pounds? (maybe it wasn't 38" - 76"? it sounded like a lot!) David, thought it was advance out/boost in -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ddahlgren at snet.net Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:39 PM To: 'MEIERLE Mike'; Adin, David; 'Gary C. Hensley'; 'LandSpeed Digest' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Test If you really want ot know my idea is 2 steps down on the jet 4 lbs of boost and while at it step her up 2 more degrees of lead..LOL have you ever heard 50 lbs of boost on a 4 cylinder?? LOL.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MEIERLE Mike Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:00 PM To: Adin, David; Gary C. Hensley; LandSpeed Digest Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Test I can't stop laughing............ Mike Meierle No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM From ddahlgren at snet.net Tue Oct 23 14:56:14 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:56:14 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006401c815b7$2ee299a0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> They work in absolute so not all that much like 7 lbs.. Advance in and boost in only to step it up LOL.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Adin, David [mailto:DavidAdin at mercydurango.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:45 PM To: ddahlgren at snet.net Cc: land-speed at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Test I figured Dave would have the real skinny . . . Indy cars? 38" of boost is what in pounds? (maybe it wasn't 38" - 76"? it sounded like a lot!) David, thought it was advance out/boost in -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ddahlgren at snet.net Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:39 PM To: 'MEIERLE Mike'; Adin, David; 'Gary C. Hensley'; 'LandSpeed Digest' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Test If you really want ot know my idea is 2 steps down on the jet 4 lbs of boost and while at it step her up 2 more degrees of lead..LOL have you ever heard 50 lbs of boost on a 4 cylinder?? LOL.. Dave No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM From mactem at mebtel.net Tue Oct 23 15:28:09 2007 From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:28:09 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Hmmm NO LSR ... Message-ID: <005901c815bb$9eef2700$0300a8c0@brightstar> Keith, Just don't ever smoke the first one, and you'll never smoke again. Whenever you want to light one up, just remind yourself that you're not going to smoke the first one. It was easier for me with that approach. Good Luck David From jgmagoo at comcast.net Tue Oct 23 15:37:24 2007 From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:37:24 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Thanks For Re-Posting Message-ID: <102320072137.23821.471E6994000D7DB000005D0D22092299270101090E030906@comcast.net> Thanks for re-posting the link Tom. I love reading your reports. Sorry to hear about the 'disc' problem. Best of luck with that. (And the bearings and fuel delivery issues as well!) ;o) JG From neil at dbelltech.com Tue Oct 23 17:24:04 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:24:04 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Test In-Reply-To: <006401c815b7$2ee299a0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> References: <006401c815b7$2ee299a0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Message-ID: <013801c815cb$ce9f9b50$0200a8c0@DBTech> David; Dave is right; they use manifold absolute pressure and express it in inches of mercury (just like a barometer). If I remember right, sea level is 29.92" Hg (or something close) which is equivalent to 14.7 psia. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ddahlgren at snet.net Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:56 PM To: 'Adin, David' Cc: land-speed at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Test They work in absolute so not all that much like 7 lbs.. Advance in and boost in only to step it up LOL.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Adin, David [mailto:DavidAdin at mercydurango.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:45 PM To: ddahlgren at snet.net Cc: land-speed at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Test I figured Dave would have the real skinny . . . Indy cars? 38" of boost is what in pounds? (maybe it wasn't 38" - 76"? it sounded like a lot!) David, thought it was advance out/boost in -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ddahlgren at snet.net Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:39 PM To: 'MEIERLE Mike'; Adin, David; 'Gary C. Hensley'; 'LandSpeed Digest' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Test If you really want ot know my idea is 2 steps down on the jet 4 lbs of boost and while at it step her up 2 more degrees of lead..LOL have you ever heard 50 lbs of boost on a 4 cylinder?? LOL.. Dave No From ifixmgs at cox.net Tue Oct 23 17:43:19 2007 From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:43:19 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Mech. Apt. Test In-Reply-To: <26162551.1193168427453.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20071023194319.CPZNK.89512.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Wow - that was a tough test. Any kid right out of high school who can pass it ought to be doing something with his/her life beyond turning wrenches. I missed one electrical, and one pulley question, one of the balloon questions and even though I knew the right answer, I missed the match-up the definitions gear question. Watch out for # 45: It shows 3 balloons of increasing diameter, and asks which balloon has the most pressure exerting on it, or at least that's what I recall.... I got tripped up by selecting "same on all three" using the logic that atmospheric pressure is equal in all directions, but I believe they they may have been asking for pressure on the inside. in which case I just blew the reading portion of the quiz.... But being that I are a engenere by mis-edjukation, that don't surprise me none... From jdincau at qnet.com Tue Oct 23 17:53:00 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:53:00 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Mech. Apt. Test References: <20071023194319.CPZNK.89512.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <004d01c815cf$d91a4450$0500000a@Den> I missed two, the fan rotation and the balls out questions. Jim in Palmdale From neil at dbelltech.com Tue Oct 23 17:57:40 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:57:40 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Mech. Apt. Test In-Reply-To: <004d01c815cf$d91a4450$0500000a@Den> References: <20071023194319.CPZNK.89512.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net> <004d01c815cf$d91a4450$0500000a@Den> Message-ID: <014901c815d0$7f441bd0$0200a8c0@DBTech> The fan question was worded poorly; which direction is CW or CCW? It depends on which way you are looking at the fan, of course. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Dincau Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:53 PM To: land Speed List Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Mech. Apt. Test I missed two, the fan rotation and the balls out questions. Jim in Palmdale From bennevl at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 23 18:11:01 2007 From: bennevl at bellsouth.net (Bill Bennett) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:11:01 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Interesting read Message-ID: <008001c815d2$5cd04e50$6401a8c0@homedesktop> I will let each one of you make your own minds up on this one. Looks like choosing profits over safety to me. When the SFI spec says one thing and half the cars don't meet the SFI spec but still allowed, I call FOUL. http://competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4358&Ite mid=24 Bill From neil at dbelltech.com Tue Oct 23 18:23:15 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:23:15 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Interesting read In-Reply-To: <008001c815d2$5cd04e50$6401a8c0@homedesktop> References: <008001c815d2$5cd04e50$6401a8c0@homedesktop> Message-ID: <014b01c815d4$12301450$0200a8c0@DBTech> Bill; It looks to me more like a case of getting lawyers involved. CYA, CYA, CYA. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bennett Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:11 PM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Interesting read I will let each one of you make your own minds up on this one. Looks like choosing profits over safety to me. When the SFI spec says one thing and half the cars don't meet the SFI spec but still allowed, I call FOUL. http://competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4358&It e mid=24 Bill _______________________________________________ From ddahlgren at snet.net Tue Oct 23 20:24:06 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:24:06 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Mech. Apt. Test In-Reply-To: <014901c815d0$7f441bd0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <007301c815e5$1f5753d0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> There were a lot of them worded poorly interchanging 'turns left' or turns rght' with clockwise and counterclockwise and never mentioning perspective or from what view.... Funny I never got a listing of the ones I missed.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of neil at dbelltech.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:58 PM To: 'Jim Dincau'; 'land Speed List' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Mech. Apt. Test The fan question was worded poorly; which direction is CW or CCW? It depends on which way you are looking at the fan, of course. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM From joyseydevil at comcast.net Tue Oct 23 20:35:38 2007 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:35:38 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Interesting read Message-ID: <001701c815e6$90775460$9f3d2544@john> If 1 1/2" tubing isn't strong enough why don't they use 2" . >I will let each one of you make your own minds up on this one. Looks like > choosing profits over safety to me. > When the SFI spec says one thing and half the cars don't meet the SFI spec > but > still allowed, I call FOUL. From 23.weldon at comcast.net Tue Oct 23 23:38:43 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:38:43 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Interesting read References: <008001c815d2$5cd04e50$6401a8c0@homedesktop> Message-ID: <006101c81600$25d53540$6401a8c0@S> OK, I may be pulling some sacred chains here; but IMHO these drag racers and their NHRA are a "ship of fools". That computer analysis of the dragster frame is a sad joke. Especially sad because it shows the state of their engineering knowledge of this complex engineering problem. Anyone with an exposure to a first undergraduate course in ferrous (steel) metallurgy will see the absolute folly in what they are doing allowing the use of a heat treatable alloy like 4130 for their frames. They have absolutely no quantifiable idea of the cyclic stresses that these chassis encounter in the racing environment and the variablity of steel properties in the resulting fatigue environment, let alone the chassis vibation modes that agravate the chassis loadings. Add to that the inconsistencies in welding and thermal stress relieving of a large structure like a chassis. Then add the variability in material properties as the structure passes through the range of low cycle fatigue (which require a far more sophisticated finite element stress analysis routine). These fools need to follow the wisdom of the SCTA and force everyone back to the engineering simplicity of low carbon steel. Messing with chrome moly frames in a sport where everyone feels compelled to push the limits even if they don't understand them and are hopelessly incompetant to cope with them is total folly. Nascar learned the hard way to "throttle back" the performance of their race cars to something manageable from a safety standpoint. It sure didn't hurt their business model in the long run. NHRA will have to do the same. There's a lesson in that for all of us. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bennett" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:11 PM Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Interesting read > I will let each one of you make your own minds up on this one. Looks like > choosing profits over safety to me. > When the SFI spec says one thing and half the cars don't meet the SFI spec but > still allowed, I call FOUL. > http://competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4358&Ite > mid=24 > Bill From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com Tue Oct 23 23:57:56 2007 From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Singletons attempt at electric land speed record Message-ID: <562048.44878.qm@web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At World of Speed on the Salt Flats this year, the Singletons attempted to break the land speed record for the E1 (Electric, under 500 kg (1100 lbs)). The existing record is 133 mph, made by Silent Thunder (an electric Ford Taurus) some years back. They went 113 mph with an electric junior dragster with tired batteries. I put some pictures I took and commentary on my web site, enjoy: http://www.explodingdinosaurs.com/saltflats/2007worldofspeed/electricjuniordr agster/ Keep hitting "next" to get each page. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Wed Oct 24 06:56:39 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 06:56:39 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Test In-Reply-To: <013801c815cb$ce9f9b50$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: Thanks guys. So they run 30-40lbs of boost? (or did at one time, who knows now . . .) Wish my daily driver could handle that . . . Back to the long wait, guess I'll start tinkering in the garage! David in Durango -----Original Message----- From: neil at dbelltech.com [mailto:neil at dbelltech.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:24 PM To: ddahlgren at snet.net; Adin, David Cc: land-speed at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Test David; Dave is right; they use manifold absolute pressure and express it in inches of mercury (just like a barometer). If I remember right, sea level is 29.92" Hg (or something close) which is equivalent to 14.7 psia. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ddahlgren at snet.net Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:56 PM To: 'Adin, David' Cc: land-speed at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Test They work in absolute so not all that much like 7 lbs.. Advance in and boost in only to step it up LOL.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Adin, David [mailto:DavidAdin at mercydurango.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:45 PM To: ddahlgren at snet.net Cc: land-speed at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Test I figured Dave would have the real skinny . . . Indy cars? 38" of boost is what in pounds? (maybe it wasn't 38" - 76"? it sounded like a lot!) David, thought it was advance out/boost in -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ddahlgren at snet.net Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:39 PM To: 'MEIERLE Mike'; Adin, David; 'Gary C. Hensley'; 'LandSpeed Digest' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Test If you really want ot know my idea is 2 steps down on the jet 4 lbs of boost and while at it step her up 2 more degrees of lead..LOL have you ever heard 50 lbs of boost on a 4 cylinder?? LOL.. Dave No From ddahlgren at snet.net Wed Oct 24 07:58:49 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:58:49 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007d01c81646$013484c0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> The F1 cars are the ones that ran the crazy boost in the 80's with 1500 cc engines.. How about 60 lbs.. And 1400 hp or so.. They ran them on toluene benzene and acetone for fuel I forget the exact mix but if memory serves me right around 85/10/4 and a splash of gasoline so you could call it 'gasoline with some additives' LOL Indy cars run 7 or 7.5 pounds above atmospheric Dave -----Original Message----- From: Adin, David [mailto:DavidAdin at mercydurango.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:57 AM To: neil at dbelltech.com; ddahlgren at snet.net Cc: land-speed at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Test Thanks guys. So they run 30-40lbs of boost? (or did at one time, who knows now . . .) Wish my daily driver could handle that . . . Back to the long wait, guess I'll start tinkering in the garage! David in Durango No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Wed Oct 24 08:05:58 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:05:58 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Test In-Reply-To: <007d01c81646$013484c0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Message-ID: Bwahahaha, "gasoline with additives" - sort of like John Force's "Mustang, with some stuff?" Thanks for the tidbit. -----Original Message----- From: ddahlgren at snet.net [mailto:ddahlgren at snet.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:59 AM To: Adin, David; neil at dbelltech.com Cc: land-speed at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Test The F1 cars are the ones that ran the crazy boost in the 80's with 1500 cc engines.. How about 60 lbs.. And 1400 hp or so.. They ran them on toluene benzene and acetone for fuel I forget the exact mix but if memory serves me right around 85/10/4 and a splash of gasoline so you could call it 'gasoline with some additives' LOL Indy cars run 7 or 7.5 pounds above atmospheric Dave -----Original Message----- From: Adin, David [mailto:DavidAdin at mercydurango.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:57 AM To: neil at dbelltech.com; ddahlgren at snet.net Cc: land-speed at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Test Thanks guys. So they run 30-40lbs of boost? (or did at one time, who knows now . . .) Wish my daily driver could handle that . . . Back to the long wait, guess I'll start tinkering in the garage! David in Durango No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM From jdincau at qnet.com Wed Oct 24 08:13:31 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Test Message-ID: <001701c81648$0eb1d150$0500000a@Den> According to Gordon White's book "Offenhauser" at the end of the Offy turbo era (1976) they were running 115" of boost for qualifying and 85" in the race. I think that is approximately 58 and 44 pounds respectively. Jim in Palmdale >> The F1 cars are the ones that ran the crazy boost in the 80's with 1500 >> cc engines.. How about 60 lbs.. And 1400 hp or so.. They ran them on >> toluene benzene and acetone for fuel I forget the exact mix but if >> memory serves me right around 85/10/4 and a splash of gasoline so you >> could call it 'gasoline with some additives' LOL >> >> Indy cars run 7 or 7.5 pounds above atmospheric >> Dave From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Wed Oct 24 09:03:30 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:03:30 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Interesting read In-Reply-To: <006101c81600$25d53540$6401a8c0@S> References: <008001c815d2$5cd04e50$6401a8c0@homedesktop> <006101c81600$25d53540$6401a8c0@S> Message-ID: <471F5EC2.9030403@wildblue.net> I think I understand at least 50% of what you wrote Ed. This is another example of "Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should." High alloy metals are a double edge sword. 3-4 years ago all C-133A's were finely grounded because the wings came off of two of them. (yes "A"'s) I fear that the "Law of Unintended Consequences" will rear it's ugly head when these used chassis are sold to low buck racers. I hope it doesn't take dead people to wake up the NHRA. If I was rich, I'd like to have a carbon fiber streamliner built by Burt Rutan's Scaled Composites. I wouldn't trust anyone else to do it. Dream on Savage..... Bryan Ed Weldon wrote: > OK, I may be pulling some sacred chains here; but IMHO these drag racers and > their NHRA are a "ship of fools". That computer analysis of the dragster > frame is a sad joke. Especially sad because it shows the state of their > engineering knowledge of this complex engineering problem. Anyone with an > exposure to a first undergraduate course in ferrous (steel) metallurgy will > see the absolute folly in what they are doing allowing the use of a heat > treatable alloy like 4130 for their frames. They have absolutely no > quantifiable idea of the cyclic stresses that these chassis encounter in the > racing environment and the variablity of steel properties in the resulting > fatigue environment, let alone the chassis vibation modes that agravate the > chassis loadings. Add to that the inconsistencies in welding and thermal > stress relieving of a large structure like a chassis. Then add the > variability in material properties as the structure passes through the range > of low cycle fatigue (which require a far more sophisticated finite element > stress analysis routine). > These fools need to follow the wisdom of the SCTA and force everyone back to > the engineering simplicity of low carbon steel. Messing with chrome moly > frames in a sport where everyone feels compelled to push the limits even if > they don't understand them and are hopelessly incompetant to cope with them > is total folly. Nascar learned the hard way to "throttle back" the > performance of their race cars to something manageable from a safety > standpoint. It sure didn't hurt their business model in the long run. NHRA > will have to do the same. There's a lesson in that for all of us. > Ed Weldon From david_dymaxion at yahoo.com Wed Oct 24 09:35:54 2007 From: david_dymaxion at yahoo.com (David Dymaxion) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Electric Land Speed Attempt Link Message-ID: <377854.74926.qm@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My link was so long it broke across lines, here is a more compact one that you can click directly: http://tinyurl.com/yqneva It has pictures and commentary on the Singletons attempt on the E1 electric land speed record. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From neil at dbelltech.com Wed Oct 24 10:15:07 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:15:07 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Electric Land Speed Attempt Link In-Reply-To: <377854.74926.qm@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <377854.74926.qm@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c81659$0b4c2860$0200a8c0@DBTech> David; Are you related to the "Dymaxion" car of the 1930s? I saw one in a museum recently and was impressed by how advanced it was for its day. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Dymaxion Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:36 AM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] Electric Land Speed Attempt Link My link was so long it broke across lines, here is a more compact one that you can click directly: http://tinyurl.com/yqneva It has pictures and commentary on the Singletons attempt on the E1 electric land speed record. From advo at comcast.net Wed Oct 24 12:54:55 2007 From: advo at comcast.net (Greg Meyers) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:54:55 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Another flathead question Message-ID: <20071024185537.4F39D1879D6@autox.team.net> Does anyone know what the volumetric efficiency of a Ford flathead might be? Thanks Greg From chad at linuxeg.com Wed Oct 24 14:14:22 2007 From: chad at linuxeg.com (Chadwick E. Labno) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:14:22 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Oct meet In-Reply-To: <471DB25D0200003800005319@gw.mentorcollege.edu> References: <471DB25D0200003800005319@gw.mentorcollege.edu> Message-ID: <471FA79E.4010902@linuxeg.com> Third meet? Wait till you get to the seventh meet and run slower each time! chad (looking forward to number eight) Scott Cowle wrote: >Well this is getting downright embarrassing-this is the third meet that I have >failed to produce any good results-everything happens in threes right? So next From ddahlgren at snet.net Wed Oct 24 14:20:48 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:20:48 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Test In-Reply-To: <001701c81648$0eb1d150$0500000a@Den> Message-ID: <009a01c8167b$5dbd88b0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> They quote absolute pressure when using inches of mercury and actually a better idea and a better way to express the relative load on the engine using absolute numbers.. Though personally I like working in kilo pascals or KPA 101.5 is one atmosphere so for all parcatical purposes each is 1% of atmosphere and gets very easy to thingk in those terms after a bit.. It is also real handy to do and see a weather correction for fuel.. Dave Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Test According to Gordon White's book "Offenhauser" at the end of the Offy turbo era (1976) they were running 115" of boost for qualifying and 85" in the race. I think that is approximately 58 and 44 pounds respectively. Jim in Palmdale No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM From jolylance at earthlink.net Wed Oct 24 17:34:26 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:34:26 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Test References: <001701c81648$0eb1d150$0500000a@Den> Message-ID: <001201c81696$7076f9d0$2101a8c0@WinXP> If I remember correctly those Offys were producing about 1100 HP ? Any body remember what their displacement was ? 1000 HP per Liter seems to be about the upper limit for turbo engines. Lance in Springdale > According to Gordon White's book "Offenhauser" at the end of the Offy > turbo > era (1976) they were running 115" of boost for qualifying and 85" in the > race. I think that is approximately 58 and 44 pounds respectively. > Jim in Palmdale > > > > >>> The F1 cars are the ones that ran the crazy boost in the 80's with 1500 >>> cc engines.. How about 60 lbs.. And 1400 hp or so.. They ran them on >>> toluene benzene and acetone for fuel I forget the exact mix but if >>> memory serves me right around 85/10/4 and a splash of gasoline so you >>> could call it 'gasoline with some additives' LOL >>> >>> Indy cars run 7 or 7.5 pounds above atmospheric >>> Dave From mactem at mebtel.net Wed Oct 24 17:58:39 2007 From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:58:39 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Test Message-ID: <001e01c81699$cd265d30$0300a8c0@brightstar> Lance and all, Quote from White's book, "Offenhauser". "The 159 cubic inch Offy developed more horsepower per cubic inch-about 7.5-than any other engine the world had then produced." (That's 1192hp). (That was in 1972-3) "...while John Miller was running a turbo Offy on the All American Racers dyno the waste gate froze shut. The engine's revs jumped to 10,200, and the engine put out nearly 1400 horsepower- about that of the Merlin engine used in the World War II P-51 Mustang fighter." Its a great book about a great engine family. I highly recommend it. David From jolylance at earthlink.net Wed Oct 24 18:21:07 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:21:07 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Test References: <001e01c81699$cd265d30$0300a8c0@brightstar> Message-ID: <009a01c8169c$f0696f50$2101a8c0@WinXP> Looks like about 530 hp/Liter for the Offy. I think one of Yacoucci's Busa dyno tests showed 7+ hp/cubic inch Thanks for the info and the Offy book lead (I'm going straight to Amazon to look for it) Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mobley-Anderson" To: "'LSR'" Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Test > Lance and all, > Quote from White's book, "Offenhauser". "The 159 cubic inch Offy > developed more horsepower per cubic inch-about 7.5-than any other engine > the world had then produced." (That's 1192hp). (That was in 1972-3) > > "...while John Miller was running a turbo Offy on the All American > Racers dyno the waste gate froze shut. The engine's revs jumped to > 10,200, and the engine put out nearly 1400 horsepower- about that of the > Merlin engine used in the World War II P-51 Mustang fighter." > > Its a great book about a great engine family. I highly recommend it. > David > _______________________________________________ > jolylance at earthlink.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From joyseydevil at comcast.net Wed Oct 24 19:01:24 2007 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:01:24 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Test Message-ID: <000a01c816a2$91323980$9f3d2544@john> A friend drove a turbo Offy for the 1972 season . He talked about running 75 inches of boost and they were being conservative . He said coming out of the pits it had 60 hp at 6000 rpm before the turbo kicked in and 1000 hp at 10000 rpm . > "...while John Miller was running a turbo Offy on the All American > Racers dyno the waste gate froze shut. The engine's revs jumped to > 10,200, and the engine put out nearly 1400 horsepower- about that of the > Merlin engine used in the World War II P-51 Mustang fighter." From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 24 19:27:16 2007 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 01:27:16 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] turbo Offy's and U whut a marvelous motor In-Reply-To: <000a01c816a2$91323980$9f3d2544@john> References: <000a01c816a2$91323980$9f3d2544@john> Message-ID: I heard of a story one time of a T/O that, when the "throttle stuck" on a dyno, ... it had seen 1400hp before the rods left the scene. whoa daddy I think it was a Smoky Yunick (R.I.P.) story... I LIKE to believe that story: It is what warms my heart on cold nights when having a few with friends... -iffen yaall know whut I mean ;-) true story. ;-) (rebuttals welcome) cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in exile in So. New York, -22 miles from Square Deal Raceway, -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway, -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway -105 miles south of "the Syracuse Mile" ... -265 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway -2325 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats and never more than a few feet from a cold one -'point man' in the never-ending search for Hot Blues, Cold Beer, Fast Cars, an' Warm Willin' Wimin' Speedway bikes, Harley D's and minibikes rode with equal joy, Dog Training, Murdersickel parts, Emergency Zeppelin repairs, Airship Surveillance, Politics exposed for what it is, Sprint Cars, -and "Slide Jobs" appreciated for the FINE ART that they are -------------------------- oooo --------------------------- > From: joyseydevil at comcast.net > To: Land-speed at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:01:24 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Test > > A friend drove a turbo Offy for the 1972 season . He talked about running 75 > inches of boost and they were being conservative . He said coming out of the > pits it had 60 hp at 6000 rpm before the turbo kicked in and 1000 hp at > 10000 rpm . > > > "...while John Miller was running a turbo Offy on the All American > > Racers dyno the waste gate froze shut. The engine's revs jumped to > > 10,200, and the engine put out nearly 1400 horsepower- about that of the > > Merlin engine used in the World War II P-51 Mustang fighter." > _______________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From john.szalay at att.net Thu Oct 25 05:32:04 2007 From: john.szalay at att.net (John Szalay) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:32:04 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] (NON LSR) John Force Message-ID: <000601c816fa$af3c2a50$6401a8c0@531W> Media reports that John Force has finally left the hospital 27 days after being injured in that Texas Motorplex crash. His Injuries included a compound fracture of his left ankle, broken right foot, broken fingers on his right hand, ligament & tendon damage to right knee, and badly dislocated left wrist. He will continue physical therapy at home and hopes to be back racing in 2008 From mike_lackey at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 11:50:43 2007 From: mike_lackey at yahoo.com (Mike Lackey) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Test Message-ID: <583044.56449.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What's the big deal about HP/L? I'll betcha I could design a turbo engine that produces 2000 HP/L... (getting someone to build it is another matter) HP/L isn't that meaningful unless you are only comparing very closely sized engines. For instance, I can go to a store by my house and pick up a naturally aspirated engine that makes over 700 HP/L. That's a stock engine, nothing fancy. And it's pretty close to what those F1 engines are doing. I wouldn't want to put it in my race car though as it's only .21 cubic inches. I'd agree that 1000 HP/L is the upper limit for 1.5L turbo engines conforming to the F1 rules in the 1980's. But I don't think it's an absolute upper limit in general. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: joseph lance To: Jim Dincau ; land Speed List Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:34:26 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Test If I remember correctly those Offys were producing about 1100 HP ? Any body remember what their displacement was ? 1000 HP per Liter seems to be about the upper limit for turbo engines. Lance in Springdale > According to Gordon White's book "Offenhauser" at the end of the Offy > turbo > era (1976) they were running 115" of boost for qualifying and 85" in the > race. I think that is approximately 58 and 44 pounds respectively. > Jim in Palmdale > > > > >>> The F1 cars are the ones that ran the crazy boost in the 80's with 1500 >>> cc engines.. How about 60 lbs.. And 1400 hp or so.. They ran them on >>> toluene benzene and acetone for fuel I forget the exact mix but if >>> memory serves me right around 85/10/4 and a splash of gasoline so you >>> could call it 'gasoline with some additives' LOL >>> >>> Indy cars run 7 or 7.5 pounds above atmospheric >>> Dave _______________________________________________ mike_lackey at yahoo.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lona at finishlinecoatings.com Thu Oct 25 14:27:26 2007 From: lona at finishlinecoatings.com (Finishline Coatings) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:27:26 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Non LS request Message-ID: <4720FC2E.6@finishlinecoatings.com> Does anyone know a car enthusiast in the United Kingdom that I could e-mail off the list? I'm looking for a certain type of headlight. Thanks for your help. Russ Meeks From rjdenton479 at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 18:47:13 2007 From: rjdenton479 at gmail.com (Robert J. Denton) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:47:13 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Quitting Cigarettes In-Reply-To: <471E037C.000004.03480@TOM> References: <102220071836.22185.471CED9F0003E487000056A922070009530101090E030906@comcast.net> <471D227A.6050304@ucalgary.ca> <043501c814fe$25f79390$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> <471E037C.000004.03480@TOM> Message-ID: <45ac72e90710251747p6b91b907p2ec05d9ec145df39@mail.gmail.com> Hang in Keith. I have just experienced the most horrific lung surgery you could ever imagine. I went in for a non-invasive lobectomy on my upper right lung. Because of complications I now bear a 14"+ slash in back, two broken ribs and am having every serious complication you could imagine. Nothing could have prepared me for this one. Bob Denton On 10/23/07, Tom Bryant wrote: > > Keith & all, > > Congratulations to you Keith, and to all who would like to get their lungs > back. I quit cold turkey after Speedweek 1961, forty-six years ago. > Without > a doubt, it was close to the top of good things I have done. I carried > cigarettes for at least a month, chewed gum and sucked on lemon drops > until > my mouth was sore, but I can tell you this. Quitting cigarettes is a "one > urge at a time deal". If you smoke a cigarette, it is a short term fix.. > ten minutes you need another. It is the same with quitting, don't yield to > the urge and it goes away for a while, then will return. Each time you > don't > yield becomes easier the next time. What ever you do, don't give in to the > desire to just try one again. Hang in there! I guarantee you it is worth > it. > > Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC > > -- Old Chinese Proverb: The ones who say it cannot be done should never stand in the way of those who are doing it. From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Oct 25 19:46:51 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:46:51 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Turbos... Message-ID: <4721470B.7010809@mayfco.com> Well, after my denial stage on my motor, I am ready to fix the problem. Main issue was/is the very dinky A/R on the two old T3 turbos I have. And they are marginal at supporting 550 hp at 15 psig. So I am looking at several alternatives. One being a T76 which will provide for growth potential up to a 347 stroker kit for my small block or a stock bore and stroke 351. But I am also looking at a cheaper alternative: A single "T66" Chinese copy of something. My question to the group is, Have any of you any experience with the Chinese stuff? Especially the turbos. Ebay is full of them. I can get this T66 for under 300 bucks. No it is not Majestic Turbo or Turbonetics, but what the hey... maybe it can be good, eh? So if any of you turbo freaks have any 'sperience, please let me know soon? If I am to do this I need the time to make it happen... Oh, I did purchase one of those intercoolers being sold oin ebay. It is the one that is about 12 x 12 x 4.5 inches general dimensions. Nice quality. Will it work? Maybe as good as a turbo! mayf From jolylance at earthlink.net Thu Oct 25 20:52:20 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Test References: <583044.56449.qm@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005101c8177b$41a7ee80$2101a8c0@WinXP> Mike--I agree about the engine size factor, them model airplane engines are incredible. But if we are talking about the 1-7 liter displacement range, top fuel dragsters are probably doing better than 1000 hp/liter but their mean time between overhauls is measured in seconds of running time. The highest specific output engines running on the salt are maybe 700 hp/liter with full-throttle mean time to failure rates measured in minutes ? (wild ass guesses) I don't think 1000 hp/liter is an absolute upper limit either but it is probably close to the upper limit for present day big $ technology for a racing engine that can reliably survive the duty cycle of a 2-hour race (as in F1)--that's what I meant by "ultimate" ( a poor word choice on my part). I see 1000 hp/liter as just a temporary bench mark like 1 hp/cubic inch used to be for production engines. Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Lackey" To: "land Speed List" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Test > What's the big deal about HP/L? I'll betcha I could design a turbo engine > that produces 2000 HP/L... (getting someone to build it is another > matter) > > HP/L isn't that meaningful unless you are only comparing very closely > sized engines. For instance, I can go to a store by my house and pick up > a naturally aspirated engine that makes over 700 HP/L. That's a stock > engine, nothing fancy. And it's pretty close to what those F1 engines are > doing. I wouldn't want to put it in my race car though as it's only .21 > cubic inches. > > I'd agree that 1000 HP/L is the upper limit for 1.5L turbo engines > conforming to the F1 rules in the 1980's. But I don't think it's an > absolute upper limit in general. > > Mike From jolylance at earthlink.net Thu Oct 25 20:54:25 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:54:25 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: Test References: <000a01c816a2$91323980$9f3d2544@john> Message-ID: <005501c8177b$85450b50$2101a8c0@WinXP> The Novi must've had a power curve like that. Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Burk" To: "LandSpeed List" Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fw: Test >A friend drove a turbo Offy for the 1972 season . He talked about running >75 > inches of boost and they were being conservative . He said coming out of > the > pits it had 60 hp at 6000 rpm before the turbo kicked in and 1000 hp at > 10000 rpm . From jkamo at rushmore.com Thu Oct 25 21:20:34 2007 From: jkamo at rushmore.com (jkamo at rushmore.com) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:20:34 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Turbos... Message-ID: <3052.1193368834@rushmore.com> If ya want the best results......go to the best.........Rick Head at Exile Turbo..........THATS IT...!!!!!!!!! www.exileturbo.com................... ask for Rick Head.........END OF STORY......... ONLY supports racers.........and Bonneville is VERY dear to him.... Joe :) On Thu Oct 25 21:46 , drmayf sent: >Well, after my denial stage on my motor, I am ready to fix the problem. >Main issue was/is the very dinky A/R on the two old T3 turbos I have. >And they are marginal at supporting 550 hp at 15 psig. So I am looking >at several alternatives. One being a T76 which will provide for growth >potential up to a 347 stroker kit for my small block or a stock bore and >stroke 351. But I am also looking at a cheaper alternative: A single >"T66" Chinese copy of something. My question to the group is, Have any >of you any experience with the Chinese stuff? Especially the turbos. >Ebay is full of them. I can get this T66 for under 300 bucks. No it is >not Majestic Turbo or Turbonetics, but what the hey... maybe it can be >good, eh? So if any of you turbo freaks have any 'sperience, please let >me know soon? If I am to do this I need the time to make it happen... > >Oh, I did purchase one of those intercoolers being sold oin ebay. It is >the one that is about 12 x 12 x 4.5 inches general dimensions. Nice >quality. Will it work? Maybe as good as a turbo! > >mayf From jkamo at rushmore.com Thu Oct 25 21:25:49 2007 From: jkamo at rushmore.com (jkamo at rushmore.com) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:25:49 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Turbos... Message-ID: <3076.1193369149@rushmore.com> Mayf.........how many times did you trust a chinese knock off KEY/VITAL component on the Space Shuttle........?? if ya want to run it once or twice...go for it.......there is a reason it is inexpensive.......should work as well as the the two bargain T3's you had... Joe :) On Thu Oct 25 21:46 , drmayf sent: >Well, after my denial stage on my motor, I am ready to fix the problem. >Main issue was/is the very dinky A/R on the two old T3 turbos I have. >And they are marginal at supporting 550 hp at 15 psig. So I am looking >at several alternatives. One being a T76 which will provide for growth >potential up to a 347 stroker kit for my small block or a stock bore and >stroke 351. But I am also looking at a cheaper alternative: A single >"T66" Chinese copy of something. My question to the group is, Have any >of you any experience with the Chinese stuff? Especially the turbos. >Ebay is full of them. I can get this T66 for under 300 bucks. No it is >not Majestic Turbo or Turbonetics, but what the hey... maybe it can be >good, eh? So if any of you turbo freaks have any 'sperience, please let >me know soon? If I am to do this I need the time to make it happen... > >Oh, I did purchase one of those intercoolers being sold oin ebay. It is >the one that is about 12 x 12 x 4.5 inches general dimensions. Nice >quality. Will it work? Maybe as good as a turbo! > >mayf From 23.weldon at comcast.net Thu Oct 25 23:12:14 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:12:14 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Aptitude test... References: <04d601c81561$4fd02070$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <005401c8178e$c91aa2a0$6401a8c0@S> I guess this thread has gotten a bit long in the tooth; but I just tonight got around to looking at it and reading everyone's comments. I enjoyed it.... I decided to "take it apart" and spent a couple of hours analysing the questions. I was able to figure my way through 49 of them but #7, the one about direct /reverse completely baffled me as to what the test writer meant. Afterward looking at the correct answer I realized he was thinking of the design of a 3 speed tranny (duhhhhh.....) (there was a time in my life when I could have done a scale 3 view assembly drawing of one of these from memory) Anyhow my score for the test writer was 76%, i.e. 12 out of 50 questions ranging from substandard presentations to completely incomprehensible "test to what I taught you even if I'm wrong"........ Is this what "No Child left Behind" is all about? Here are the answers. You will memorize them, pass the test and you will meet our educational standards. (and get a job so you can pay taxes to keep the money flowing into the Social Security system) I read that Ford is doing better with the quality of their product. I sure hope that this test isn't a typical indicator of the quality of their technician training. Any of you guys that didn't do too well on the test take heart. The person who got us to try the test was just getting us to play on his turf according to his own rules. We all have had teachers at one time or another who were just using their positions to pump their own egos. (Benn, thanks for your warning) Or like the California driving test questions full of confusing triple negatives where the purpose of the test seems to be to convince you that you're a lousy driver; but we desperately want you to drive anyway so you'll pay more gasoline taxes, reg fees and make jobs for DMV employees. I extracted all the questions and answers into a 1300K Word document if any of you want to look at the questions again without retaking the test. Email me off list for a copy of the file. Ed Weldon (Cynical old coot bent on exploiting the energy of all you poor working slugs chasing the new American dream, retirement) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:41 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Aptitude test... > http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/quizzes/MechanicalAptitude.php > Oh remember it's NOT timed... so kick back and enjoy it... > Keith From BWANA343 at aol.com Fri Oct 26 13:52:11 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:52:11 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger Message-ID: Hey Keith, or anybody has input on this, I just caught up on the HotRod online forum that Dave Frieburger is leaving HotRod Mag? I hope for greener pastures and under favorable circumstances? I hope this doesn't impact unfavorably on The HotRod Top Speed Challenge April 5/6 2008. Will HotRod finally go back to the good old days of Fur-covered vans? Bob W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Fri Oct 26 13:56:05 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:56:05 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Aww, poo. Just when I "discover" a good thing . . . . [1] David, won't say a word about bonneville [1] Hot Rod mag (hey, this is kinda cool) or "go Rockies" . . . . . -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BWANA343 at aol.com Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:52 PM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger Hey Keith, or anybody has input on this, I just caught up on the HotRod online forum that Dave Frieburger is leaving HotRod Mag? I hope for greener pastures and under favorable circumstances? I hope this doesn't impact unfavorably on The HotRod Top Speed Challenge April 5/6 2008. Will HotRod finally go back to the good old days of Fur-covered vans? Bob W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ davidadin at mercydurango.org Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ddahlgren at snet.net Fri Oct 26 14:20:30 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:20:30 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <011301c8180d$a7fdf8e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Nothing is 'forever'...Hopefully move on and move up for Dave.. The other Dave... -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BWANA343 at aol.com Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:52 PM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger Hey Keith, or anybody has input on this, I just caught up on the HotRod online forum that Dave Frieburger is leaving HotRod Mag? I hope for greener pastures and under favorable circumstances? I hope this doesn't impact unfavorably on The HotRod Top Speed Challenge April 5/6 2008. Will HotRod finally go back to the good old days of Fur-covered vans? Bob W No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM From David.Freiburger at primedia.com Fri Oct 26 14:25:10 2007 From: David.Freiburger at primedia.com (Freiburger, David) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:25:10 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger In-Reply-To: <011301c8180d$a7fdf8e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Message-ID: Guys, it9s true. Today is my last day in print, as I9ve got funding to start my own video-heavy car magazine online. It uses a new technology, and we hope to set the standard for online gearhead content. I9ll still be covering LSR. As you can imagine, it was very, very tough decision to leave HRM. I love the brand and the legacy, and can9t believe that I9ll no longer be able to spend my midnights in the photographic archives. I9ll post my new info when it becomes available. The site will not be functional for several months. How do I change my email address for the list? DF On 10/26/07 1:20 PM, "ddahlgren at snet.net" wrote: > Nothing is 'forever'...Hopefully move on and move up for Dave.. > The other Dave... > > -----Original Message----- > From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net > [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BWANA343 at aol.com > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:52 PM > To: land-speed at autox.team.net > Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger > > Hey Keith, or anybody has input on this, > I just caught up on the HotRod online forum that Dave Frieburger is > leaving HotRod Mag? I hope for greener pastures and under favorable > circumstances? I hope this doesn't impact unfavorably on The HotRod Top > Speed Challenge > > April 5/6 2008. > Will HotRod finally go back to the good old days of Fur-covered vans? > Bob W From neil at dbelltech.com Fri Oct 26 14:34:53 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:34:53 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger In-Reply-To: References: <011301c8180d$a7fdf8e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Message-ID: <022901c8180f$aa922660$0200a8c0@DBTech> Good luck with your new venture, Dave; you sure made a big difference at HRM! Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Freiburger, David Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:25 PM To: ddahlgren at snet.net; Adin, David; BWANA343 at aol.com; Landspeed List Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger Guys, it9s true. Today is my last day in print, as I9ve got funding to start my own video-heavy car magazine online. It uses a new technology, and we hope to set the standard for online gearhead content. I9ll still be covering LSR. As you can imagine, it was very, very tough decision to leave HRM. I love the brand and the legacy, and can9t believe that I9ll no longer be able to spend my midnights in the photographic archives. I9ll post my new info when it becomes available. The site will not be functional for several months. How do I change my email address for the list? DF On 10/26/07 1:20 PM, "ddahlgren at snet.net" wrote: > Nothing is 'forever'...Hopefully move on and move up for Dave.. > The other Dave... > > -----Original Message----- > From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net > [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BWANA343 at aol.com > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:52 PM > To: land-speed at autox.team.net > Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger > > Hey Keith, or anybody has input on this, > I just caught up on the HotRod online forum that Dave Frieburger is > leaving HotRod Mag? I hope for greener pastures and under favorable > circumstances? I hope this doesn't impact unfavorably on The HotRod Top > Speed Challenge > > April 5/6 2008. > Will HotRod finally go back to the good old days of Fur-covered vans? > Bob W _______________________________________________ neil at dbelltech.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Oct 26 15:03:00 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:03:00 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Electrical Question (Sunbeam wiring) Message-ID: <47225604.6000303@mayfco.com> Do alternators generally have fuseable links on the wire that goes to the battery? If so, is it sized according to the alternator output? Ie woul a 100 amp alternator use a link that is 100 amps? What about a circuit breaker? Now at the back of the Sunbeam where all the hot wires come together, I would like to add circuit breaker protection. Again, how do I size it? Do I add up all the loads as if the alternator is not running and size it that way? When the motor is running and the alt is on then it takes away some of the need for the battery to send amps up the wire. So It seems like the worst case would be when the motor is not running but all the electical stuff is. Make sense? Oh, this does not include the starter circuit.. Thanks for you help.. mayf From jon at infodestruction.com Fri Oct 26 15:13:19 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:13:19 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 26, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Freiburger, David wrote: Guys, it9s true. Today is my last day in print, as I9ve got funding to start my own video-heavy car magazine online. It uses a new technology, and we hope to set the standard for online gearhead content. I9ll still be covering LSR. As you can imagine, it was very, very tough decision to leave HRM. I love the brand and the legacy, and can9t believe that I9ll no longer be able to spend my midnights in the photographic archives. I9ll post my new info when it becomes available. The site will not be functional for several months. How do I change my email address for the list? DF Dave, you'll be missed by those of us that read HR. Best wishes on your new adventure. Now -- if you'd reported to us that you're leaving HR and going into the world of motorcycles -- well, then, boyoboy we'd (or at least some of us) be even more excited! Happy Trails to you. Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From neil at dbelltech.com Fri Oct 26 15:16:26 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:16:26 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Electrical Question (Sunbeam wiring) In-Reply-To: <47225604.6000303@mayfco.com> References: <47225604.6000303@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <023701c81815$78352db0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Mayf; Unless the latest alternator designs have changed an alternator output current is self- limiting to a degree; the magnetic path in the alternator saturates at high current and its output current won't go any higher. This saturation current is not well controlled, however, and I wouldn't depend on that alone. Instead of one 100A fuse or circuit breaker I'd recommend placing a number of smaller breakers in series with all of your major electrical components. Size the breakers to allow the normal load current. If you have a load of 5A in a circuit branch, put in a 10A circuit breaker; this will avoid "nuisance tripping" while still protecting against catastrophic short circuits. The main purpose of a circuit breaker is to keep the wire from burning up due to high current. Now and then you can find small aircraft circuit breakers on eBay. They are good and allow you to pull out their button to turn off the circuit if you wish. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:03 PM To: LSR Subject: [Land-speed] Electrical Question (Sunbeam wiring) Do alternators generally have fuseable links on the wire that goes to the battery? If so, is it sized according to the alternator output? Ie woul a 100 amp alternator use a link that is 100 amps? What about a circuit breaker? Now at the back of the Sunbeam where all the hot wires come together, I would like to add circuit breaker protection. Again, how do I size it? Do I add up all the loads as if the alternator is not running and size it that way? When the motor is running and the alt is on then it takes away some of the need for the battery to send amps up the wire. So It seems like the worst case would be when the motor is not running but all the electical stuff is. Make sense? Oh, this does not include the starter circuit.. Thanks for you help.. mayf _______________________________________________ From BWANA343 at aol.com Fri Oct 26 15:46:41 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:46:41 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger Message-ID: In a message dated 10/26/2007 4:25:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, David.Freiburger at primedia.com writes: Guys, itbs true. Today is my last day in print, as Ibve got funding to start my own video-heavy car magazine online. It uses a new technology, and we hope to set the standard for online gearhead content. Ibll still be covering LSR. As you can imagine, it was very, very tough decision to leave HRM. I love the brand and the legacy, and canbt believe that Ibll no longer be able to spend my midnights in the photographic archives. Ibll post my new info when it becomes available. The site will not be functional for several months. How do I change my email address for the list? DF Dave, Everybody, especially the LSR community, appreciates the direction you took HRM back to, focusing on what Hot Rodding is all about. I look forward to your new venture and I'm sure you'll be as successful with it as you were with HRM. Please keep us posted on your progress, as now we have next race season and another classy publication to anticipate. Thank You Bob W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Fri Oct 26 17:23:39 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:23:39 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger References: Message-ID: <00b901c81827$3e0d0150$6601a8c0@Glens> Dave That's bad news for us LSR people and hopefully a great move for you. Over the years it has been great to work with you at Speed week and the lakes. You have put life back into HRM and it will be a tough act to follow for who ever tries to fill your shoes. Being involved as a driver and a writer you have given both sides of the story and I am sure generated a lot of new comer interest. Thanks for all you have done and great luck to the new challenge. You will always have the LSR support and the many friends you have made over the years. A far as e-mail you will have to start over with a new on line application with the new address. Glen Barrett ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger > In a message dated 10/26/2007 4:25:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > David.Freiburger at primedia.com writes: > > Guys, itbs true. Today is my last day in print, as Ibve got funding to > start my own video-heavy car magazine online. It uses a new technology, > and > we > hope to set the standard for online gearhead content. Ibll still be > covering > LSR. > > As you can imagine, it was very, very tough decision to leave HRM. I love > the brand and the legacy, and canbt believe that Ibll no longer be able > to > spend my midnights in the photographic archives. > > Ibll post my new info when it becomes available. The site will not be > functional for several months. > > How do I change my email address for the list? > > DF > > > > Dave, > Everybody, especially the LSR community, appreciates the direction you > took > HRM back to, focusing on what Hot Rodding is all about. I look forward to > your > new venture and I'm sure you'll be as successful with it as you were with > HRM. Please keep us posted on your progress, as now we have next race > season > and another classy publication to anticipate. > Thank You > Bob W > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From lsr1301 at dahmurf.com Fri Oct 26 20:12:23 2007 From: lsr1301 at dahmurf.com (DahMurf) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave, Congratulations & best wishes on your new adventure. We look forward to seeing it once it's ready! Whew, I guess I got my pic in HRM just in time! hehehe Deb #1302 Twin Jugs Racing From chad at linuxeg.com Fri Oct 26 22:55:51 2007 From: chad at linuxeg.com (Chadwick E. Labno) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:55:51 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4722C4D7.7020008@linuxeg.com> Am I the only one who remembers Mr. Freiburgers attempt to change Hot Rod from American V8 iron to front wheel drive econoboxes with go-fast muffelers. As I recall he told those who resented the changes were told to live with it because that's the way it's going to be! I had my renewal ready to mail which I did after schredding it. Even told Florida Sportman mag - also primedia - my intent not to renew. Sorry for my blunt view but I do not like people messing with Hot Rod - been reading since 1958 - except for the van years. chad (now I'll shut up and go back to lurkering) Freiburger, David wrote: >Guys, it9s true. Today is my last day in print, as I9ve got funding to start >my own video-heavy car magazine online. It uses a new technology, and we >hope to set the standard for online gearhead content. I9ll still be covering >LSR. > >As you can imagine, it was very, very tough decision to leave HRM. I love >the brand and the legacy, and can9t believe that I9ll no longer be able to >spend my midnights in the photographic archives. > >I9ll post my new info when it becomes available. The site will not be >functional for several months. > >How do I change my email address for the list? > >DF > > >On 10/26/07 1:20 PM, "ddahlgren at snet.net" wrote: > > > >>Nothing is 'forever'...Hopefully move on and move up for Dave.. >>The other Dave... >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net >>[mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On >>Behalf Of BWANA343 at aol.com >>Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:52 PM >>To: land-speed at autox.team.net >>Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger >> >>Hey Keith, or anybody has input on this, >>I just caught up on the HotRod online forum that Dave Frieburger is >>leaving HotRod Mag? I hope for greener pastures and under favorable >>circumstances? I hope this doesn't impact unfavorably on The HotRod Top >>Speed Challenge >> >>April 5/6 2008. >>Will HotRod finally go back to the good old days of Fur-covered vans? >>Bob W >> >> >_______________________________________________ >chad at linuxeg.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From kturk at ala.net Sat Oct 27 02:22:36 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 03:22:36 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger References: <4722C4D7.7020008@linuxeg.com> Message-ID: <00eb01c81872$8908e8e0$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> David and I have been good friends for many years... actually since before he was the editor of Hot Rod... Trust me he hates Shit box Ricers... always has... always will... To see him admit that they have value wouldn't surprise me thou... so I'm sure you can dig out a single line of print somewhere where David admits that "Kids of March 2001 dig Ricers and we can't fix it". One of the most significant reasons David and I have gotten along is that we both really dig cars... ALL cars... trucks... bikes... and yeah there are some shit box ricers that fall into the "car" category... Anything that performs... ( BOB... who loves you ? ) If you have a Honda that runs 170mph at Maxton... or 136 on the motor ( Tim Schoney )... those are cars that folks have whittled on quite a bit... it takes Real Hot rodding to make those kind of numbers happen... Like that Model A running 102 this weekend... David was tickled when I told him about it... as well as the first roadster to run 200... Since David's been in charge we've had land speed racing and Hot rodding in spades... not just from a writers perspective... but from an actual car guy... a person who knows one end of a wrench from the other and who can actually Drive a race car... ( and spin like a ballerina... ( and No, I don't care how they spell it )... So if you haven't been reading them.... it's your loss... Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chadwick E. Labno" To: "Freiburger, David" Cc: "Landspeed List" Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger > Am I the only one who remembers Mr. Freiburgers attempt to change Hot Rod > from American V8 iron to front wheel drive econoboxes with go-fast > muffelers. > As I recall he told those who resented the changes were told to live > with it because > that's the way it's going to be! I had my renewal ready to mail which I > did after > schredding it. Even told Florida Sportman mag - also primedia - my > intent not to > renew. Sorry for my blunt view but I do not like people messing with Hot > Rod - > been reading since 1958 - except for the van years. > chad (now I'll shut up and go back to lurkering) From sparky.2211 at cox.net Sat Oct 27 08:00:42 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 07:00:42 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] David and HRM Message-ID: David, as I look forward to reading each months Issues of HRM and CC---I cant help but notice how much more user friendly the revised format versions are compared to the previous---thanks for a great stint & best wishes with your new "CHALLENGE"---I look forward to seeing you on "THE SALT"!!!!!!!!!!! Sparky AA/_ L 2211 From lsr_man at yahoo.com Sat Oct 27 08:05:30 2007 From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 07:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Model "A" and Girlie Camaro In-Reply-To: <00eb01c81872$8908e8e0$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <894907.59564.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keith, Which Model "A" made 100? - - the coupe or the roadster? Will you and David still be campaigning the girlie camaro together? DickJ In East Texas PS We had a great time at Maxton last weekend. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From kturk at ala.net Sat Oct 27 09:31:27 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:31:27 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Model "A" and Girlie Camaro References: <894907.59564.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013801c818ae$71816260$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> The Coupe ran 102 with a Miller overhead valve conversion... As for the Camaro ... the deal that David and I have is strickly between the two of us... it happened to be the Hot Rod Magazine spl. because of his previous position... so in answer to the question ... Yep...we'll be doing something with it... The guy is a great tuner and motor builder... I'm a hack that seems to be able to get a race car to the track... so between us you should see some things coming in the future. Both with the Camaro and maybe even a Truck or a single cylinder something.... Neither one of us are going anywhere... K From wester6935 at comcast.net Sat Oct 27 10:08:13 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:08:13 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] David and Hot Rod Message-ID: <102720071608.24314.4723626D000C289B00005EFA2206999735CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> I'm one of those who stopped reading Hot Rod after owning almost every issue from #1. I too quit buying it (reading it at the library when I remembered to look for it) in the 60's when hot rods became cartoon cars. When I got married and evacuated my collection from mom's basement I donated them to the BYU Library hoping they would be good reference material for an auto design program just being started. Later checks convinced me they were round filed immediately but the engineer who designed the H2 and the Avalanche eventually came out of BYU so perhaps all was not lost. I went to the Hot Rod offices one April after Hot Rod published a statement that there was NO racing on the salt the previous year. (In the same issue was a half page on a car that set records at World of Speed the year there was NO racing.) After a cordial visit with the then editor, Gray Baskerville came in and proceeded to inform me that since SCTA/BNI had not had meets on the salt the previous year there had been NO racing on the salt flats as far as he was concerned. You can imagine what my opinion of Mr. Baskerville has been since then ... yeah I know he was an icon but he was also an arrogant, biased butthead. The next fall at SEMA I was showing some Hot Rod staffers my pictures of Baskerville and Boyd Coddington, in his Oakland Roadster show winner, taken at an Americruise stopover in SLC. When they offered to photoshop Baskerville out of what they called an "otherwise great shot" it validated my opinion. I started buying, then subscribing again, after David proved to me that Hot Rod intended to expand it's Bonneville coverage to include all salt activity. I will continue to subscribe until such time as I am severely disappointed in the publication under the new ownership. Hopefully that won't happen. With David and his input, Hot Rod returned to the top level of the car magazine genre. I appreciate his efforts at one of my, once again, favorite magazines. Thanks David and best of luck in your new challenge. See you on the salt! Wes From BWANA343 at aol.com Sat Oct 27 11:51:21 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:51:21 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] Dave Frieburger Message-ID: In a message dated 10/27/2007 4:23:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kturk at ala.net writes: and yeah there are some shit box ricers that fall into the "car" category... Anything that performs... ( BOB... who loves you ? ) If you have a Honda that runs 170mph at Maxton... or 136 on the motor ( Tim Schoney )... those are cars Ya see, I could go all "Otto" on this remark, but I consider the sauce, the originator of "nappy, junk", and other terms of endearment, and it's his freakin' racetrack, sooooo....... And he don't love me, because my heart belongs to DonyaDeb, and Al The Bomb , Starter Grande. BOB....W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From zoombot at cox.net Sat Oct 27 13:31:30 2007 From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:31:30 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Frieburger, etc. Message-ID: <002801c818cf$f9a89110$76f8cd48@HomePC> List & Chadwick E. Labno - I don't remember any of what you've mentioned about econoboxes & Frieburger's editorial choices, but when he was at Car Craft he still hung true as a hot rodder with dirt under his fingernails, and bloodied knuckles. The guy's made mistakes, like we all have, but he loves an American V8 at full song on the salt on strip. I say that's OK with me. Bet it is with other folks, too. I hope his new adventure works out well. Chris Pile aka aircap From jolylance at earthlink.net Sat Oct 27 13:20:33 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:20:33 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR( Speeding Ticket - UK Style) Message-ID: <002801c818ce$72643ac0$2101a8c0@WinXP> Top this for a speeding ticket. This took place about 70km North of Leeds Valerie . Two traffic patrol officers from North Berwick were involved in an unusual incident while checking for speeding motorists on the A-1 Great North Road . One of the officers used a hand-held radar device to check the speed of a vehicle approaching over the crest of a hill, and was surprised when the speed was recorded at over 300 mph. Their radar suddenly stopped working and the officers were not able to reset it. Just then a deafening roar over the treetops revealed that the radar had in fact latched on to a NATO Tornado fighter jet which was engaged in a low-flying exercise over the Border district, approaching from the North Sea . Back at police headquarters the chief constable fired off a stiff complaint to the RAF Liaison office. Back came the reply in true laconic RAF style: "Thank you for your message, which allows us to complete the file on this incident. You may be interested to know that the tactical computer in the Tornado had detected the presence of, and subsequently locked onto, your hostile radar equipment and automatically sent a jamming signal back to it. Furthermore, an air-to-ground missile aboard the fully-armed aircraft had also automatically locked onto your equipment. Fortunately the pilot flying the Tornado recognized the situation for what it was, quickly responded to the missile systems alert status, and was able to override the automated defense system before the missile was launched and your hostile radar installation was destroyed." From chad at linuxeg.com Sat Oct 27 13:44:29 2007 From: chad at linuxeg.com (Chadwick E. Labno) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:44:29 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Frieburger, etc. In-Reply-To: <002801c818cf$f9a89110$76f8cd48@HomePC> References: <002801c818cf$f9a89110$76f8cd48@HomePC> Message-ID: <4723951D.9030501@linuxeg.com> I just returned from the library to get a few quotes but the local branch only has current issues. To get copies I have to go downtown to the main branch or someone could ask Mr. Frieburger about his ideas (at that time) for the future of HRM and his comments to his subscribers who objected to the direction which he was moving the magazine. I'm sure he is able to obtain copies and refresh his and our memories. If necessary I will get get copies and publish exact quotes. chad Pile,Chris wrote: > List & Chadwick E. Labno - > > I don't remember any of what you've mentioned about econoboxes & >Frieburger's editorial choices, From jon at infodestruction.com Sun Oct 28 08:39:50 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Frieburger, etc. In-Reply-To: <4723951D.9030501@linuxeg.com> References: <002801c818cf$f9a89110$76f8cd48@HomePC> <4723951D.9030501@linuxeg.com> Message-ID: <0EEBB0C5-E50B-4726-A156-CEA90482FB33@infodestruction.com> On Oct 27, 2007, at 3:44 PM, Chadwick E. Labno wrote: I just returned from the library to get a few quotes but the local branch only has current issues. To get copies I have to go downtown to the main branch or someone could ask Mr. Frieburger about his ideas (at that time) for the future of HRM and his comments to his subscribers who objected to the direction which he was moving the magazine. I'm sure he is able to obtain copies and refresh his and our memories. If necessary I will get get copies and publish exact quotes. chad I'll take your word for it that you have less-than-pleasant memories of HRM or Dave or whatever. Let's look forward to good stuff instead of reflecting on something that wasn't so good (at least in your opinion). Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From rbuck at xmission.com Sun Oct 28 13:30:44 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:30:44 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Freiburger, etc. In-Reply-To: <0EEBB0C5-E50B-4726-A156-CEA90482FB33@infodestruction.com> References: <002801c818cf$f9a89110$76f8cd48@HomePC> <4723951D.9030501@linuxeg.com> <0EEBB0C5-E50B-4726-A156-CEA90482FB33@infodestruction.com> Message-ID: At 09:39 AM 10/28/2007, Jon Wennerberg wrote: >I'll take your word for it that you have less-than-pleasant memories >of HRM or Dave or whatever. Let's look forward to good stuff instead >of reflecting on something that wasn't so good (at least in your >opinion). > > Jon Wennerberg Good attitude, Jon. I'd rather focus on the good and not the bad. If I were to list all the unpleasant encounters I'd had in my life...well, it'd be a long list and I'd end up pretty frustrated. I guess this is where gettin older and developing memory...uhhh...whatevers...helps out. Most days I can't remember who I was upset at the day before. And I get to make new friends every day. Most of 'em seem to know me already, though. :) And for my coupla cents worth, I've really enjoyed HRM recently. There's stuff in it that I really enjoy reading. That's more than I can say about a lot of other magazines I read as a teenager (those that have survived.) Ray the (forgetful) Rat From lsr_man at yahoo.com Sun Oct 28 14:09:29 2007 From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Wiring and Fuses Message-ID: <414329.55518.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm getting ready to re-wire my car with a new fuse block and switch panel. I figure: 10A for Fuel pump; 10A for Water pump, 25A for dual radiator fans, 10A for transmission cooler fan. What should I use for the ignition (Mallory Unilite with Pro-master coil). I'm thinking 10A, but don't know for sure. DickJ In East Texas Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lsr_man at yahoo.com Sun Oct 28 14:44:08 2007 From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting Oil Message-ID: <394945.51265.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Santa just made an early visit and dropped of a nice new drill press and set of bits. She also warned me that I'd "better treat this one right". Anybody got any old family secrets for cutting oil to use with a drill press? I've always used whatever was available: WD-40, 3-in-1, auto transmission fluid, power steering fluid, left-over motor oil, etc, and these are probably not the greatest and best choices. DickJ In East Texas Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From chad at linuxeg.com Sun Oct 28 15:15:02 2007 From: chad at linuxeg.com (Chadwick E. Labno) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:15:02 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Freiburger, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <002801c818cf$f9a89110$76f8cd48@HomePC> <4723951D.9030501@linuxeg.com> <0EEBB0C5-E50B-4726-A156-CEA90482FB33@infodestruction.com> Message-ID: <472509E6.4000200@linuxeg.com> If his belittling of those who wrote and expressed their opinion is acceptable to this list, so be it. I felt and still do it was very unprofessional. A person in his position should have exercised more control, should have been more circumspect, but that's my opinion. To save you time replying, I will unsubscribe from this list. We apparently we have very different views as to what is acceptable and what is not. chad Ray Buck wrote: > >At 09:39 AM 10/28/2007, Jon Wennerberg wrote: > > > >>I'll take your word for it that you have less-than-pleasant memories >>of HRM or Dave or whatever. Let's look forward to good stuff instead >>of reflecting on something that wasn't so good (at least in your >>opinion). >> >> Jon Wennerberg >> >> > >Good attitude, Jon. I'd rather focus on the good and not the >bad. If I were to list all the unpleasant encounters I'd had in my >life...well, it'd be a long list and I'd end up pretty frustrated. I >guess this is where gettin older and developing >memory...uhhh...whatevers...helps out. Most days I can't remember >who I was upset at the day before. And I get to make new friends >every day. Most of 'em seem to know me already, though. :) > >And for my coupla cents worth, I've really enjoyed HRM >recently. There's stuff in it that I really enjoy reading. That's >more than I can say about a lot of other magazines I read as a >teenager (those that have survived.) > >Ray the (forgetful) Rat >_______________________________________________ >chad at linuxeg.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From v4gr at rcn.com Sun Oct 28 15:19:00 2007 From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:19:00 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting Oil References: <394945.51265.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c819b0$8ae34db0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> IMHO the absolute best cutting goop is BoLube. I think it is something Boeing Aircraft came up with. RF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick J" To: "lsr list autox" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting Oil > Santa just made an early visit and dropped of a nice new drill press and > set of bits. She also warned me that I'd "better treat this one right". > > Anybody got any old family secrets for cutting oil to use with a drill > press? I've always used whatever was available: WD-40, 3-in-1, auto > transmission fluid, power steering fluid, left-over motor oil, etc, and > these are probably not the greatest and best choices. > > DickJ > In East Texas From jdincau at qnet.com Sun Oct 28 15:45:36 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:45:36 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting Oil References: <394945.51265.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c819b4$41c5f840$0500000a@Den> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PARTPG=INSRAR2&PMAKA=505-2037&PMPXNO=945818 Try this, it's a good all around cutting/taping fluid. Messy and smelly but it works on almost everything. You can get almost the same thing if you buy pipe threading oil at the local hardware store. Jim in Palmdale > Santa just made an early visit and dropped of a nice new drill press and > set of bits. She also warned me that I'd "better treat this one right". > > Anybody got any old family secrets for cutting oil to use with a drill > press? I've always used whatever was available: WD-40, 3-in-1, auto > transmission fluid, power steering fluid, left-over motor oil, etc, and > these are probably not the greatest and best choices. From lsr_man at yahoo.com Sun Oct 28 16:47:13 2007 From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Freiburger, etc. In-Reply-To: <472509E6.4000200@linuxeg.com> Message-ID: <685510.73486.qm@web30713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Personally, I subscribe to this list to get information about land speed racing and solutions to mechanical problems I encounter while working on my race car. And it has been very useful for those purposes. When list members get off on a soap box, I simply delete before reading. Dick J In east Texas Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From neil at dbelltech.com Sun Oct 28 17:02:14 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:02:14 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting Oil In-Reply-To: <394945.51265.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <394945.51265.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <028a01c819be$f6c16810$0200a8c0@DBTech> Dick; If you are drilling aluminum, kerosene is excellent and about as cheap as you can get. If you want a hole in exactly the right place, center punch that location. Enjoy the drill press and clamp your work to the table for safety. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dick J Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 2:44 PM To: lsr list autox Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting Oil Santa just made an early visit and dropped of a nice new drill press and set of bits. She also warned me that I'd "better treat this one right". Anybody got any old family secrets for cutting oil to use with a drill press? I've always used whatever was available: WD-40, 3-in-1, auto transmission fluid, power steering fluid, left-over motor oil, etc, and these are probably not the greatest and best choices. DickJ In East Texas From neil at dbelltech.com Sun Oct 28 17:04:47 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:04:47 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Wiring and Fuses In-Reply-To: <414329.55518.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <414329.55518.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <028b01c819bf$536009f0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Dick; I checked the Weldon website and they show a current draw of 20 amps for their larger pumps. Check your pump; 10A may not be high enough. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dick J Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 2:09 PM To: lsr list autox Subject: [Land-speed] Wiring and Fuses I'm getting ready to re-wire my car with a new fuse block and switch panel. I figure: 10A for Fuel pump; 10A for Water pump, 25A for dual radiator fans, 10A for transmission cooler fan. What should I use for the ignition (Mallory Unilite with Pro-master coil). I'm thinking 10A, but don't know for sure. DickJ In East Texas From neil at dbelltech.com Sun Oct 28 17:31:01 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:31:01 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Wiring and Fuses In-Reply-To: <414329.55518.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <414329.55518.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <028c01c819c2$fb9b2de0$0200a8c0@DBTech> List; Since this subject has come up a couple times recently, I looked up some recommended circuit breaker (CB) info in "Aircraft & Missile Design & Maintenance Handbook" by Charles Overbey. The criterion for selecting a CB is to open the circuit before the wire begins to emit smoke. Here are those recommendations: Copper Wire Size Circuit Breaker (amps) #22 & #20 5 #18 10 #16 15 #14 20 #12 25 or 30 #10 35 or 40 #8 50 #6 80 #4 100 #2 125 Bear in mind that wire temperature will be higher if it is enclosed or bundled into a cable. These ratings are only for CB protection of the wiring itself, not how big a wire you should use for a particular load current. I hope this may be helpful. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ From saltfevr at q.com Sun Oct 28 19:54:17 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:54:17 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] HRM Archive Hemi Power issue Message-ID: list; Hot Rod Magazine has released archive issue #6 entitled "Hemi Power". About 6 pages of Land Speed Hemi vehicles. Its $4.99 at Walmart or Barnes Noble,or your local magazine Shop. Many drag photos. from 50's to 1971. Better buy it now than later off ebay.Tom ShannonMagna, Utah From gmc6power at earthlink.net Sun Oct 28 20:30:32 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:30:32 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Non-LSR -But fun Message-ID: <002601c819dc$0ff96040$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> Subject: JUST HOW SMART ARE YOU? ITs Sunday and it is raining so go for it.I passed! with some to spare. GOOD LUCK!!!!! This is VERY FAST so be prepared. You only have 8 seconds for each question. But it's a good test of our old minds. Click the link and have fun. Smartorstoopid ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM From gmc6power at earthlink.net Sun Oct 28 20:43:13 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:43:13 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Wiring and Fuses References: <414329.55518.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <028c01c819c2$fb9b2de0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <004001c819dd$d5dd0e00$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> These numbers are for continuous current. Most cars today have 100 amp or higher alternators and you never see #4 wire on any of them. You are lucky to see a #10. This is not telling to use smaller wire this is just an observation. I use a #8 on my alternator and #1 or 1/0 for batterey cables. That was the old sizes for 6 volt cars. Use the same size as your battery cable to ground the engine to the frame. If you use a an ignition box and mount it on lord or rubber mounts be sure to put an extra chassis ground on it even if one of the wires comimg out of it goes to a ground...Good Luck Also If you are smart you will not use crimped fittings. Buy the noninsulated ones if possible and solder all ends. (you can remove the insulation) Apply numbered or colored heat shrink over each solder joint > > Copper Wire Size Circuit Breaker (amps) > > #22 & #20 5 > #18 10 > #16 15 > #14 20 > #12 25 or 30 > #10 35 or 40 > #8 50 > #6 80 > #4 100 > #2 125 > > Bear in mind that wire temperature will be higher if it is enclosed or > bundled into a cable. These ratings are only for CB protection of the > wiring > itself, not how big a wire you should use for a particular load current. > > I hope this may be helpful. > > Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ > _______________________________________________ > gmc6power at earthlink.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ed at vetteracing.com Sun Oct 28 20:57:19 2007 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:57:19 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Frieburger, etc. Message-ID: Jeeze guys, I don't even know why we are having this thread!! David is one of us - a land-speed racer..... I really don't know why his job performance in his occupation (new or old) has a bearing on his spectacular performance on the salt! He is a multi-record holder above 200 mph and is a member of Bonneville, East Coast Timing Association, and Texas Mile 200 MPH Clubs. If I didn't know David, I would read the last sentence and think hmmmmmm. This guy is a racer. So, why burn him because he writes for a magazine, and some people happen to disagree with his philosophy? It has always been the "rule" on this list to avoid ad hominem attacks online.....let's keep it that way. On the other hand, we have also been quick to praise someone's accomplishments. Soooo, I say "Thanks David" for the plugs you gave LSR in your past career, and even more, thanks for being a big part of LSR. And best wishes in your new adventure...... Ed Van Scoy #128 B/GT Corvette SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder >-----Original Message----- >From: Pile,Chris [mailto:zoombot at cox.net] >Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:31 PM >To: 'Land Speed Digest' >Subject: [Land-speed] Frieburger, etc. > > List & Chadwick E. Labno - > > I don't remember any of what you've mentioned about econoboxes & >Frieburger's editorial choices, but when he was at Car Craft he still hung >true as a hot rodder with dirt under his fingernails, and bloodied knuckles. >The guy's made mistakes, like we all have, but he loves an American V8 at full >song on the salt on strip. I say that's OK with me. Bet it is with other >folks, too. I hope his new adventure works out well. > > Chris Pile aka aircap From zoombot at cox.net Sun Oct 28 22:12:11 2007 From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:12:11 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Record Car on eBay Message-ID: <001401c819ea$431cc620$76f8cd48@HomePC> List - Seems there is a real record car on eBay right now, perhaps someone wants to run it on the salt? http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=005&sspagena me=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=150175840492&rd=1 or, auction # 150175840492 - Chris Pile aka aircap From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Oct 28 21:16:40 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:16:40 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Frieburger, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47255EA8.4030509@mayfco.com> Well, Eeeddd, 99.999% of us agree with you, lol. I don' think flaming Dave is anywhere near the flash point and I am with you. No personal attacks on the list. hello to Mz Linda from us, mayf Ed Van Scoy wrote: >Jeeze guys, I don't even know why we are having this thread!! David is one of >us - a land-speed racer..... I really don't know why his job performance in >his occupation (new or old) has a bearing on his spectacular performance on >the salt! He is a multi-record holder above 200 mph and is a member of >Bonneville, East Coast Timing Association, and Texas Mile 200 MPH Clubs. If I >didn't know David, I would read the last sentence and think hmmmmmm. This guy >is a racer. So, why burn him because he writes for a magazine, and some people >happen to disagree with his philosophy? It has always been the "rule" on this >list to avoid ad hominem attacks online.....let's keep it that way. On the >other hand, we have also been quick to praise someone's accomplishments. >Soooo, I say "Thanks David" for the plugs you gave LSR in your past career, >and even more, thanks for being a big part of LSR. And best wishes in your new >adventure...... >Ed Van Scoy >#128 B/GT Corvette >SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Pile,Chris [mailto:zoombot at cox.net] >>Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:31 PM >>To: 'Land Speed Digest' >>Subject: [Land-speed] Frieburger, etc. >> >>List & Chadwick E. Labno - >> >>I don't remember any of what you've mentioned about econoboxes & >>Frieburger's editorial choices, but when he was at Car Craft he still hung >>true as a hot rodder with dirt under his fingernails, and bloodied knuckles. >>The guy's made mistakes, like we all have, but he loves an American V8 at >> >> >full > > >>song on the salt on strip. I say that's OK with me. Bet it is with other >>folks, too. I hope his new adventure works out well. >> >>Chris Pile aka aircap >> >> >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Oct 28 21:18:40 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:18:40 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Non-LSR -But fun In-Reply-To: <002601c819dc$0ff96040$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> References: <002601c819dc$0ff96040$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> Message-ID: <47255F20.7040205@mayfco.com> Well, JD, I flunked the test right off the bat. I couldn't find the link, lol... I must be dumber than I look which at times can be significant... mayf J.D. Tone wrote: >Subject: JUST HOW SMART ARE YOU? > > > > > > ITs Sunday and it is raining so go for it.I passed! with some to spare. > > GOOD LUCK!!!!! > > > > This is VERY FAST so be prepared. > > You only have 8 seconds for each question. > > But it's a good test of our old minds. > > > Click the link and have fun. > > Smartorstoopid > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 >11:02 AM > > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 >11:02 AM >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From gmc6power at earthlink.net Sun Oct 28 22:50:59 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:50:59 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] click on the underlined Smartorstoopid Message-ID: <006601c819ef$aec14900$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> ITs Sunday and it is raining so go for it.I passed! with some to spare. GOOD LUCK!!!!! This is VERY FAST so be prepared. You only have 8 seconds for each question. But it's a good test of our old minds. Click the link and have fun. Smartorstoopid ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 8:50 AM Blessed are the cracked For they let the light in Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM From wester6935 at comcast.net Sun Oct 28 23:01:40 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (wester6935 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:01:40 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Anyone going to SEMA? Message-ID: <102920070601.8619.47257744000E7D7E000021AB2200737478CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> We'll be there Tuesday morning sometime. Leaving Salt Lake City at oh dark hundred and driving down. If we don't connect by email before I leave, my cell number is 801-583-3765 and Jim's is 801-558-1833. We could meet for breakfast on Wednesday or Thursday or go over to the Hilton for the lunch buffet on either of those days too. Beats sitting on the floor, juggling a plate and drink at the Convention Center and the cost is roughly the same. Wes From joetimney at dol.net Mon Oct 29 04:30:45 2007 From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:30:45 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting Oil In-Reply-To: <394945.51265.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <394945.51265.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4725C465.3040205@dol.net> My suggestion is use real cutting oil. I use Mobilmet Omnicron nonstaining multipurpose cutting oil. I buy it by the gallon from MSC. For small diameter drills, I use Elmer's Glue...don't laugh, it works!!! A word of caution, don't use WD-40...it can catch fire!!! Just my thoughts, joe Dick J wrote: > Santa just made an early visit and dropped of a nice new drill press and set of bits. She also warned me that I'd "better treat this one right". > > Anybody got any old family secrets for cutting oil to use with a drill press? I've always used whatever was available: WD-40, 3-in-1, auto transmission fluid, power steering fluid, left-over motor oil, etc, and these are probably not the greatest and best choices. > > DickJ > In East Texas From rbuck at xmission.com Mon Oct 29 04:35:25 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:35:25 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Non-LSR -But fun In-Reply-To: <47255F20.7040205@mayfco.com> References: <002601c819dc$0ff96040$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> <47255F20.7040205@mayfco.com> Message-ID: I had to do a little googling but found the test here: http://www.flashbynight.com/test/ (Apparently my email program stripped the link off, too.) JD's right...it's the speed that gets ya. I passed too. but missed some I shouldn't have because I answered too quickly. Ray the (slowing) Rat At 10:18 PM 10/28/2007, drmayf wrote: >Well, JD, I flunked the test right off the bat. I couldn't find the >link, lol... I must be dumber than I look which at times can be >significant... > >mayf > >J.D. Tone wrote: > > >Subject: JUST HOW SMART ARE YOU? > > > > > > > > > > > > ITs Sunday and it is raining so go for it.I passed! with some to spare. > > > > GOOD LUCK!!!!! > > > > > > > > This is VERY FAST so be prepared. > > > > You only have 8 seconds for each question. > > > > But it's a good test of our old minds. > > > > > > Click the link and have fun. > > > > Smartorstoopid From jon at infodestruction.com Mon Oct 29 05:53:57 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:53:57 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Freiburger, etc. In-Reply-To: <472509E6.4000200@linuxeg.com> References: <002801c818cf$f9a89110$76f8cd48@HomePC> <4723951D.9030501@linuxeg.com> <0EEBB0C5-E50B-4726-A156-CEA90482FB33@infodestruction.com> <472509E6.4000200@linuxeg.com> Message-ID: <4030ECD4-F8FA-4207-B468-22FEFBD310FC@infodestruction.com> My, oh my -- we're a little touchy, aren't we? My comment -- and Ray's follow-up -- suggested a positive approach to things in general and implied that a sense of forgiveness is appropriate. If I remember the original comment by Chad -- he was referring to something Dave wrote/said in the past. I sure didn't mean to chasten Chad. But: Suum cuique, as the Latin says -- to each his own. I didn't bother to send this response to Chad, by the way. Jon On Oct 28, 2007, at 6:15 PM, Chadwick E. Labno wrote: If his belittling of those who wrote and expressed their opinion is acceptable to this list, so be it. I felt and still do it was very unprofessional. A person in his position should have exercised more control, should have been more circumspect, but that's my opinion. To save you time replying, I will unsubscribe from this list. We apparently we have very different views as to what is acceptable and what is not. chad Ray Buck wrote: > > At 09:39 AM 10/28/2007, Jon Wennerberg wrote: > > > >> I'll take your word for it that you have less-than-pleasant memories >> of HRM or Dave or whatever. Let's look forward to good stuff instead >> of reflecting on something that wasn't so good (at least in your >> opinion). >> >> Jon Wennerberg >> >> > > Good attitude, Jon. I'd rather focus on the good and not the > bad. If I were to list all the unpleasant encounters I'd had in my > life...well, it'd be a long list and I'd end up pretty frustrated. I > guess this is where gettin older and developing > memory...uhhh...whatevers...helps out. Most days I can't remember > who I was upset at the day before. And I get to make new friends > every day. Most of 'em seem to know me already, though. :) > > And for my coupla cents worth, I've really enjoyed HRM > recently. There's stuff in it that I really enjoy reading. That's > more than I can say about a lot of other magazines I read as a > teenager (those that have survived.) > > Ray the (forgetful) Rat From ed at vetteracing.com Mon Oct 29 08:19:05 2007 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:19:05 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Anyone going to SEMA? Message-ID: Wes, Count me in on that lunch date.... either day is fine for me. My cell 602-390-0833. Ed V >-----Original Message----- >From: wester6935 at comcast.net [mailto:wester6935 at comcast.net] >Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:01 PM >To: 'landspeed list' >Subject: [Land-speed] Anyone going to SEMA? > >We'll be there Tuesday morning sometime. Leaving Salt Lake City at oh dark >hundred and driving down. If we don't connect by email before I leave, my >cell number is 801-583-3765 and Jim's is 801-558-1833. > >We could meet for breakfast on Wednesday or Thursday or go over to the >Hilton for the lunch buffet on either of those days too. Beats sitting on >the floor, juggling a plate and drink at the Convention Center and the cost >is roughly the same. > >Wes From karhu at california.com Mon Oct 29 08:38:37 2007 From: karhu at california.com (Benn) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:38:37 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Anyone going to SEMA? References: <102920070601.8619.47257744000E7D7E000021AB2200737478CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003001c81a41$c63297e0$6801a8c0@BennsDesktop> Will be there Tues-Thursday. Would like to join y'all if possible. Best for me would be Thursday, but might be able to make Wednesday. Thanks. Benn 510.430.1119 office (through today) 510.703.9998 cell ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "landspeed list" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Anyone going to SEMA? > We'll be there Tuesday morning sometime. Leaving Salt Lake City at oh > dark > hundred and driving down. If we don't connect by email before I leave, my > cell number is 801-583-3765 and Jim's is 801-558-1833. > > We could meet for breakfast on Wednesday or Thursday or go over to the > Hilton for the lunch buffet on either of those days too. Beats sitting on > the floor, juggling a plate and drink at the Convention Center and the > cost > is roughly the same. > > Wes > _______________________________________________ > karhu at california.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Mon Oct 29 09:00:30 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:00:30 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] "old sprint car" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A friend has stumbled (!!) on an old sprint car chassis (sprint cars being one of his more harmless foibles). Yes, NO? What say ye? Motors for the vintage class???? Other possibilites (cheepcheep and fun)? Any and all constructive comments appreciated. ( A few snapshots available.) David in Durango From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Mon Oct 29 09:37:21 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:37:21 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting Oil In-Reply-To: <394945.51265.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <394945.51265.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47260C41.8020009@wildblue.net> Dick, The best stuff for FERRIS materials contains *chlorinated* paraffin and sulfur.... smelly stuff - not cheap, but drills stay sharp. Bryan Dick J wrote: > Santa just made an early visit and dropped of a nice new drill press and set of bits. She also warned me that I'd "better treat this one right". > > Anybody got any old family secrets for cutting oil to use with a drill press? I've always used whatever was available: WD-40, 3-in-1, auto transmission fluid, power steering fluid, left-over motor oil, etc, and these are probably not the greatest and best choices. > > DickJ > In East Texas > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From v4gr at rcn.com Mon Oct 29 10:10:34 2007 From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:10:34 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] "old sprint car" References: Message-ID: <001401c81a4e$9f599a80$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> If you want to go fast get a GMC. If you want to look cool go for a flathead. If you want to show bling, Offy. Pretty fast to. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adin, David" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: [Land-speed] "old sprint car" >A friend has stumbled (!!) on an old sprint car chassis (sprint cars > being one of his more harmless foibles). > > Yes, NO? What say ye? > > Motors for the vintage class???? Other possibilites (cheepcheep and > fun)? > > Any and all constructive comments appreciated. ( A few snapshots > available.) > > David in Durango From neil at dbelltech.com Mon Oct 29 11:26:18 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:26:18 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Frieburger, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02bf01c81a59$332e8f40$0200a8c0@DBTech> Amen, Ed. Dave made a huge improvement in HRM and I certainly wish him well in his new endeavor. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Van Scoy Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:57 PM To: Pile,Chris; Land Speed Digest Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Frieburger, etc. Jeeze guys, I don't even know why we are having this thread!! David is one of us - a land-speed racer..... I really don't know why his job performance in his occupation (new or old) has a bearing on his spectacular performance on the salt! He is a multi-record holder above 200 mph and is a member of Bonneville, East Coast Timing Association, and Texas Mile 200 MPH Clubs. If I didn't know David, I would read the last sentence and think hmmmmmm. This guy is a racer. So, why burn him because he writes for a magazine, and some people happen to disagree with his philosophy? It has always been the "rule" on this list to avoid ad hominem attacks online.....let's keep it that way. On the other hand, we have also been quick to praise someone's accomplishments. Soooo, I say "Thanks David" for the plugs you gave LSR in your past career, and even more, thanks for being a big part of LSR. And best wishes in your new adventure...... Ed Van Scoy #128 B/GT Corvette SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder From neil at dbelltech.com Mon Oct 29 11:55:41 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:55:41 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Wiring and Fuses In-Reply-To: <004001c819dd$d5dd0e00$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> References: <414329.55518.qm@web30702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <028c01c819c2$fb9b2de0$0200a8c0@DBTech> <004001c819dd$d5dd0e00$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf> Message-ID: <02cd01c81a5d$4e244660$0200a8c0@DBTech> JD; NO, these are CB ratings for various wire sizes. Note that I said "These ratings are only for CB protection of the wiring itself, not how big a wire you should use for a particular load current." Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: J.D. Tone [mailto:gmc6power at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:43 PM To: neil at dbelltech.com; 'Dick J'; 'lsr list autox' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Wiring and Fuses These numbers are for continuous current. Most cars today have 100 amp or higher alternators and you never see #4 wire on any of them. You are lucky to see a #10. This is not telling to use smaller wire this is just an observation. I use a #8 on my alternator and #1 or 1/0 for batterey cables. That was the old sizes for 6 volt cars. Use the same size as your battery cable to ground the engine to the frame. If you use a an ignition box and mount it on lord or rubber mounts be sure to put an extra chassis ground on it even if one of the wires comimg out of it goes to a ground...Good Luck Also If you are smart you will not use crimped fittings. Buy the noninsulated ones if possible and solder all ends. (you can remove the insulation) Apply numbered or colored heat shrink over each solder joint > > Copper Wire Size Circuit Breaker (amps) > > #22 & #20 5 > #18 10 > #16 15 > #14 20 > #12 25 or 30 > #10 35 or 40 > #8 50 > #6 80 > #4 100 > #2 125 > > Bear in mind that wire temperature will be higher if it is enclosed or > bundled into a cable. These ratings are only for CB protection of the > wiring > itself, not how big a wire you should use for a particular load current. > > I hope this may be helpful. > > Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Oct 29 14:40:12 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:40:12 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Wheels... Message-ID: <4726533C.3030505@mayfco.com> Well, I had a leak in one of the rear tires/wheels. Dunked it in a tub of water and turned out to be the wheel itself. So took both rear tires and wheels down to the local Goodyear place and asked them to demount them so I could look at the insides of the wheels. I asked them to check them for run out. Turns out the 176 mph caper I pulled at WF put a small wobble into both of them. So Now I am seeking some LSR capable wheels for the back end. 15 x 5, 5 on 4.5 BC, and 1 3/4 back spacing ( I think), 5/8 lugs. Steel. Now, anybody have such they are willin gto part with? If not, who and where do I acquire some of what I want? They do no thave to be the best, just good enough. mayf From ddahlgren at snet.net Mon Oct 29 14:54:45 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:54:45 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Non-LSR -But fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001701c81a76$51be0590$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> I got a 21 out of the average 18 and sure wish I had a few more seconds every one was a gut feel rather than thinking.. I doubt if IQ is an accurate measurement from this.. Not sure if this makes me an idiot or not if not I am sure there is some other reason.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ray Buck Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:35 AM To: drmayf at mayfco.com Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Non-LSR -But fun I had to do a little googling but found the test here: http://www.flashbynight.com/test/ (Apparently my email program stripped the link off, too.) JD's right...it's the speed that gets ya. I passed too. but missed some I shouldn't have because I answered too quickly. Ray the (slowing) Rat Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: 10/20/2007 2:59 PM From yesford at clear.net.nz Mon Oct 29 15:01:43 2007 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:01:43 +1300 Subject: [Land-speed] Wheels... In-Reply-To: <4726533C.3030505@mayfco.com> References: <4726533C.3030505@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Hi Mayf, Never any harm in putting required dimension of wheels into search on Ebay. Last year I wanted a pair of 15 x 10's to mount some Hoosiers for when we occasionally drag my hot rod. Ended up with a pair of new steel speedway wheels for $15 ea. Total cost ended up $100 kiwi bucks here 'down under'. All the best. Chris H............NZed. Well, I had a leak in one of the rear tires/wheels. Dunked it in a tub of water and turned out to be the wheel itself. So took both rear tires and wheels down to the local Goodyear place and asked them to demount them so I could look at the insides of the wheels. I asked them to check them for run out. Turns out the 176 mph caper I pulled at WF put a small wobble into both of them. So Now I am seeking some LSR capable wheels for the back end. 15 x 5, 5 on 4.5 BC, and 1 3/4 back spacing ( I think), 5/8 lugs. Steel. Now, anybody have such they are willin gto part with? If not, who and where do I acquire some of what I want? They do no thave to be the best, just good enough. mayf From gmc6power at earthlink.net Mon Oct 29 15:16:19 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:16:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Land-speed] Wiring and Fuses Message-ID: <2682662.1193696179886.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Whether you stated or not that still is the size wires that should be used....CB size is 10% over the continuous rating capacity of the wire. DC also loses voltage at a higher rate than AC with distance. Race vehicle should make no difference. I use #12 for fuel pumps and water pumps even though I knopw that is twice the required size for the current of the component. Whether wise or not I don't use many fuses. > >JD; > >NO, these are CB ratings for various wire sizes. > >Note that I said "These ratings are only for CB protection of the wiring >itself, not how big a wire you should use for a particular load current." > >Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Wiring and Fuses > >These numbers are for continuous current. Most cars today have 100 amp or >higher alternators and you never see #4 wire on any of them. You are lucky >to see a #10. This is not telling to use smaller wire this is just an >observation. I use a #8 on my alternator and #1 or 1/0 for batterey cables. >That was the old sizes for 6 volt cars. Use the same size as your battery >cable to ground the engine to the frame. If you use a an ignition box and >mount it on lord or rubber mounts be sure to put an extra chassis ground on >it even if one of the wires comimg out of it goes to a ground...Good Luck > >Also If you are smart you will not use crimped fittings. Buy the >noninsulated ones if possible and solder all ends. (you can remove the >insulation) Apply numbered or colored heat shrink over each solder joint >> >> Copper Wire Size Circuit Breaker (amps) >> >> #22 & #20 5 >> #18 10 >> #16 15 >> #14 20 >> #12 25 or 30 >> #10 35 or 40 >> #8 50 >> #6 80 >> #4 100 >> #2 125 >> >> Bear in mind that wire temperature will be higher if it is enclosed or >> bundled into a cable. These ratings are only for CB protection of the >> wiring >> itself, not how big a wire you should use for a particular load current. >> >> I hope this may be helpful. >> >> Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ From gmc6power at earthlink.net Mon Oct 29 15:18:16 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:18:16 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Land-speed] Non-LSR -But fun Message-ID: <5785191.1193696297138.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thanks Dave for stating 21...That's what I did also. I should have taken a few more seconds on a few...JD >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Non-LSR -But fun > >I got a 21 out of the average 18 and sure wish I had a few more seconds >every one was a gut feel rather than thinking.. I doubt if IQ is an >accurate measurement from this.. Not sure if this makes me an idiot or >not if not I am sure there is some other reason.. >Dave > > >-----Original Message----- >From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net >[mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of Ray Buck >Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:35 AM >To: drmayf at mayfco.com >Cc: land-speed at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Non-LSR -But fun > > >I had to do a little googling but found the test here: >http://www.flashbynight.com/test/ (Apparently my email program >stripped the link off, too.) > >JD's right...it's the speed that gets ya. I passed too. but missed >some I shouldn't have because I answered too quickly. > >Ray the (slowing) Rat > >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.15.3/1082 - Release Date: >10/20/2007 2:59 PM From neil at dbelltech.com Mon Oct 29 15:55:26 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:55:26 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Wiring and Fuses In-Reply-To: <2682662.1193696179886.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <2682662.1193696179886.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02f401c81a7e$cbd51500$0200a8c0@DBTech> JD; It's a good idea to size your wire based on how much current is going to be required in that wire. The rule of thumb is to size the wire large enough so that it has a maximum of 0.5 volt drop (in a 12V system) at its maximum load current. #12 copper wire has a resistance of 1.88 ohms per 1000 ft @ 20C so every foot of the wire adds 0.00188 ohms of resistance in series with the load. In the case of a 20A Weldon fuel pump at the end of a 10 foot wire, the voltage drop would be 10 ft X 0.00188 ohms/ft X 20A = 0.36 volts. So, assuming no significant resistance in the ground return you would be fine using #12. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: James Tone [mailto:gmc6power at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:16 PM To: neil at dbelltech.com; 'Dick J'; 'lsr list autox' Subject: RE: [Land-speed] Wiring and Fuses Whether you stated or not that still is the size wires that should be used....CB size is 10% over the continuous rating capacity of the wire. DC also loses voltage at a higher rate than AC with distance. Race vehicle should make no difference. I use #12 for fuel pumps and water pumps even though I knopw that is twice the required size for the current of the component. Whether wise or not I don't use many fuses. > >JD; > >NO, these are CB ratings for various wire sizes. > >Note that I said "These ratings are only for CB protection of the wiring >itself, not how big a wire you should use for a particular load current." > >Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Wiring and Fuses > >These numbers are for continuous current. Most cars today have 100 amp or >higher alternators and you never see #4 wire on any of them. You are lucky >to see a #10. This is not telling to use smaller wire this is just an >observation. I use a #8 on my alternator and #1 or 1/0 for batterey cables. >That was the old sizes for 6 volt cars. Use the same size as your battery >cable to ground the engine to the frame. If you use a an ignition box and >mount it on lord or rubber mounts be sure to put an extra chassis ground on >it even if one of the wires comimg out of it goes to a ground...Good Luck > >Also If you are smart you will not use crimped fittings. Buy the >noninsulated ones if possible and solder all ends. (you can remove the >insulation) Apply numbered or colored heat shrink over each solder joint >> >> Copper Wire Size Circuit Breaker (amps) >> >> #22 & #20 5 >> #18 10 >> #16 15 >> #14 20 >> #12 25 or 30 >> #10 35 or 40 >> #8 50 >> #6 80 >> #4 100 >> #2 125 >> >> Bear in mind that wire temperature will be higher if it is enclosed or >> bundled into a cable. These ratings are only for CB protection of the >> wiring >> itself, not how big a wire you should use for a particular load current. >> >> I hope this may be helpful. >> >> Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ From sparky.2211 at cox.net Mon Oct 29 16:17:59 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:17:59 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Test Message-ID: <2E83D4374D3845CD97FB63B0AA13E9DA@LMS> JD and Dave--I cant believe it I must be a faster reader or SOMETHING----22 Sparky AA/_ L 2211 From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 29 17:50:13 2007 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:50:13 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Frieburger, etc. In-Reply-To: <02bf01c81a59$332e8f40$0200a8c0@DBTech> References: <02bf01c81a59$332e8f40$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: I - FULLY - agree cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in exile in So. New York, -22 miles from Square Deal Raceway, -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway, -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway -105 miles south of "the Syracuse Mile" ... -265 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway -2325 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats and never more than a few feet from a cold one -------------------------- oooo --------------------------- > From: neil at dbelltech.com > To: ed at vetteracing.com; zoombot at cox.net; land-speed at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:26:18 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Frieburger, etc. > > Amen, Ed. Dave made a huge improvement in HRM and I certainly wish him well > in his new endeavor. > > Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ > [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Van Scoy > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:57 PM > To: Pile,Chris; Land Speed Digest > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Frieburger, etc. > > Jeeze guys, I don't even know why we are having this thread!! David is one of > us - a land-speed racer..... I really don't know why his job performance in > his occupation (new or old) has a bearing on his spectacular performance on > the salt! He is a multi-record holder above 200 mph and is a member of > Bonneville, East Coast Timing Association, and Texas Mile 200 MPH Clubs. If I didn't know David, I would read the last sentence and think hmmmmmm. This > guy is a racer. So, why burn him because he writes for a magazine, and some > people happen to disagree with his philosophy? It has always been the "rule" on > this list to avoid ad hominem attacks online.....let's keep it that way. On the > other hand, we have also been quick to praise someone's accomplishments. > Soooo, I say "Thanks David" for the plugs you gave LSR in your past career, > and even more, thanks for being a big part of LSR. And best wishes in your > new adventure...... > Ed Van Scoy > #128 B/GT Corvette > SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne ws From jon.the.wise at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 00:53:53 2007 From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jon Bishop) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:53:53 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Turbos... In-Reply-To: <4721470B.7010809@mayfco.com> References: <4721470B.7010809@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <830C4855-06A6-4DF1-9F40-16DE5D3F53D0@gmail.com> On Oct 25, 2007, at 6:46 PM, drmayf wrote: > stroke 351. But I am also looking at a cheaper alternative: A single > "T66" Chinese copy of something. My question to the group is, Have > any > of you any experience with the Chinese stuff? Especially the turbos. They're Junk! The housings crack, the bearings are cheap, I suggest Greddy or Mitsubishi. If you're going on the cheap, you would be best getting a Holset turbo off a Ford or Dodge Turbo Diesel. I don't remember your displacement, but that is a key factor in turbo selection. A single turbo will, 99% of the time, work better than a twin setup. Look for compressor maps, and verify you have one with the proper volume/pressure, because a small turbo is like a hair dryer, just filling your motor with a lot of hot air, and the heating directly counteracts the boost. > Ebay is full of them. I can get this T66 for under 300 bucks. No > it is > not Majestic Turbo or Turbonetics, but what the hey... maybe it > can be > good, eh? So if any of you turbo freaks have any 'sperience, please > let > me know soon? If I am to do this I need the time to make it happen... Don't buy a cheap turbo, you will be sorry. > Oh, I did purchase one of those intercoolers being sold oin ebay. > It is > the one that is about 12 x 12 x 4.5 inches general dimensions. Nice > quality. Will it work? Maybe as good as a turbo! A good intercooler can be had cheap on ebay. I had a friend pick up a 12"x24"x3" with 3" inlets and he reliably put 415 front wheel horsepower at 18psi in his 2.0 4g63t (mitsu eclipse). The thing you have to make sure is you get the right kind. Tube and Fin intercoolers suck. Most of the ones on ebay will be bar and plate models anyway, but this is what you want. The tempurature differential across Manny's (the eclipse) was 200+ in the inlet and ~60 on the outlet (in F) and the pressure drop is hardly measurable. A VERY efficient aluminum intercooler should cost you less than most intercooler piping "kits" they sell for ricers (kits that don't fit right!) From jon.the.wise at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 01:16:21 2007 From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jon Bishop) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:16:21 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Test In-Reply-To: <005801c815ac$9a9d56e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> References: <005801c815ac$9a9d56e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Message-ID: On Oct 23, 2007, at 12:38 PM, wrote: > If you really want ot know my idea is 2 steps down on the jet 4 lbs of > boost and while at it step her up 2 more degrees of lead..LOL have you > ever heard 50 lbs of boost on a 4 cylinder?? LOL.. > Dave Yea, once or twice. 54psi will make a 2.4L 4 cyl put down 1015 awhp. But it's not normal. :-) From SCowle at mentorcollege.edu Tue Oct 30 05:08:41 2007 From: SCowle at mentorcollege.edu (Scott Cowle) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:08:41 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine update-Oct meet Message-ID: <4726E68902000038000053EE@gw.mentorcollege.edu> Well, I took one of the cylinder heads off on the weekend to see what the damage was and lo and behold I can look right through two pistons and see the crankshaft! That's the bad news-the good news is that the cylinders are hardly scratched-the carburetor gods took pity on me after all.So new pistons, a light hone and new bearings and rings and it'll be ready to rumble again-I am an eternal optimist!I suspect perhaps the fuel pump went away on my disastrous run and leaned out the motor because all previous testing up to 150mph showed good fuel ratio-running on the rich side. But ingesting a ton of antifreeze can't have helped the situation. Anyways I have some updating of safety equipment to do and I'm switching the car over to a standard tranny so I have lots to keep me busy until next year.Thanks again to all of you at the October meet-your hospitality is second to none, and I'm all ready to work on the ugly beast again. Scott,The "Eh" Team will rise again-or some such nonsense. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication may contain confidential or privileged proprietary material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, or distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive the information from the recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies of this message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <<>> From jon at infodestruction.com Tue Oct 30 06:01:18 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:01:18 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine update-Oct meet In-Reply-To: <4726E68902000038000053EE@gw.mentorcollege.edu> References: <4726E68902000038000053EE@gw.mentorcollege.edu> Message-ID: <69F55D68-BFCF-4FB0-9052-CFFE77D7EAEC@infodestruction.com> On Oct 30, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Scott Cowle wrote: "lo and behold I can look right through two pistons and see the crankshaft!" Scott,The "Eh" Team will rise again-or some such nonsense. Gotta respect those Canucks -- they've must have X-ray vision if he can see right through the piston. That's it, right Scott? And as for a manual trans -- good idea, especially since you found all that metal in the pan of the automatic before you left home for Maxton two weeks ago. . . Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From kturk at ala.net Tue Oct 30 06:52:25 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:52:25 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... Message-ID: <001e01c81afc$2956e320$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> It's not fair to say this isn't really an LSR problem... cause stuff like this happens to all of us, It's just that most of you are smart enough not to report it on a regular basis... So... there I was... making some cute brackets for a wiring loom... basically they are 1/2" wide 1.5" long bits of aluminum with three holes drilled in them... one 1/4" hole and two 1/8th" holes. You mount it with the big hole and use the little holes to wire tie the wires in place. That's the project... not to complicated eh?... I didn't like the way the Shear cut the metal so I took it over and used the band saw to do all the cutting ... just a bit of planning and the whole thing was going simply rosey... Kept all my finger tips and everything... ahhh but now we get to the heart of the matter and the reason for this over winded e-mail in the first place... Those dang band saws leave a rough edge and a fella oughta take these tiny things over to the horizontal belt sander and have a go at cleaning up those edges don't ya think? (This is for my 32 roaster project... so tidy work is always required...) Did ya know that Aluminum is a great transferor of Heat energy? No Really it is... I promise... if you try and hold one of these little brackets while it's rubbing itself off with the belt the dang thing creates friction.. and friction creates ... yep... Heat... ( pretty fancy stuff eh? ) Betcha can guess how long a man can stand the heat of the fire here can't ya... Yep... NOT long... and just like them burners on the stove... YOU will rapidly remove your fingers from the source of the Heat... and once you do... this little bracket, Well it takes off for parts unknown. Where... Hmmm don't know... here's what I know... The speed of the belt in conjunction with the light weight of the material involved ... virtually guarantee's you'll never find it... Keeping your eye on the ball here isn't possible when your primary objective is to stuff your hand in your mouth. Always keep in mind that it takes less time to make a new bracket if you have to move the sander, drill press, bench, and tool boxes to find the old one... and oh by the way... I already told you that you weren't going to find it... ( no matter how much you love the challenge ) So there you go... Life continues to be Good... Keith ( 20 days without Nicotine ) From ecpurinton at wildblue.net Tue Oct 30 07:25:13 2007 From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:25:13 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Shop comments sorta Message-ID: <47273EC9.9030409@wildblue.net> KT Not too proud to admit that it's nice to know I don't have that left out feeling anymore................... Take care, Ed Purinton From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Tue Oct 30 07:18:21 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:18:21 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... In-Reply-To: <001e01c81afc$2956e320$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: Congrats on the 20th day. (Wish I had the grits to quit something . . . .) Its ok to burn your fingers. Its NOT ok to do it more than once. (don't ask) David in Durango -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Keith Turk Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:52 AM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... It's not fair to say this isn't really an LSR problem... cause stuff like this happens to all of us, It's just that most of you are smart enough not to report it on a regular basis... So... there I was... making some cute brackets for a wiring loom... basically they are 1/2" wide 1.5" long bits of aluminum with three holes drilled in them... one 1/4" hole and two 1/8th" holes. You mount it with the big hole and use the little holes to wire tie the wires in place. That's the project... not to complicated eh?... I didn't like the way the Shear cut the metal so I took it over and used the band saw to do all the cutting ... just a bit of planning and the whole thing was going simply rosey... Kept all my finger tips and everything... ahhh but now we get to the heart of the matter and the reason for this over winded e-mail in the first place... Those dang band saws leave a rough edge and a fella oughta take these tiny things over to the horizontal belt sander and have a go at cleaning up those edges don't ya think? (This is for my 32 roaster project... so tidy work is always required...) Did ya know that Aluminum is a great transferor of Heat energy? No Really it is... I promise... if you try and hold one of these little brackets while it's rubbing itself off with the belt the dang thing creates friction.. and friction creates ... yep... Heat... ( pretty fancy stuff eh? ) Betcha can guess how long a man can stand the heat of the fire here can't ya... Yep... NOT long... and just like them burners on the stove... YOU will rapidly remove your fingers from the source of the Heat... and once you do... this little bracket, Well it takes off for parts unknown. Where... Hmmm don't know... here's what I know... The speed of the belt in conjunction with the light weight of the material involved ... virtually guarantee's you'll never find it... Keeping your eye on the ball here isn't possible when your primary objective is to stuff your hand in your mouth. Always keep in mind that it takes less time to make a new bracket if you have to move the sander, drill press, bench, and tool boxes to find the old one... and oh by the way... I already told you that you weren't going to find it... ( no matter how much you love the challenge ) So there you go... Life continues to be Good... Keith ( 20 days without Nicotine ) _______________________________________________ davidadin at mercydurango.org Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Tue Oct 30 07:32:33 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:32:33 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine update-Oct meet In-Reply-To: <4726E68902000038000053EE@gw.mentorcollege.edu> Message-ID: Scott, although I've yet to install windows in my pistons (and have now invoked bad juju) perhaps you could explain to the curious exactly how one does that without trashing the cyls/crank/heads? Which church do you go to? How much do you donate every week? Which shoe do you put on first? Etc, etc, etc. Thanks! David (turns three turns clockwise), not (very) superstitious. -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Cowle Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:09 AM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] Engine update-Oct meet Well, I took one of the cylinder heads off on the weekend to see what the damage was and lo and behold I can look right through two pistons and see the crankshaft! That's the bad news-the good news is that the cylinders are hardly scratched-the carburetor gods took pity on me after all.So new pistons, a light hone and new bearings and rings and it'll be ready to rumble again-I am an eternal optimist!I suspect perhaps the fuel pump went away on my disastrous run and leaned out the motor because all previous testing up to 150mph showed good fuel ratio-running on the rich side. But ingesting a ton of antifreeze can't have helped the situation. Anyways I have some updating of safety equipment to do and I'm switching the car over to a standard tranny so I have lots to keep me busy until next year.Thanks again to all of you at the October meet-your hospitality is second to none, and I'm all ready to work on the ugly beast again. Scott,The "Eh" Team will rise again-or some such nonsense. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication may contain confidential or privileged proprietary material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, or distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive the information from the recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies of this message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <<>> _______________________________________________ davidadin at mercydurango.org Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From David.Parks at lfr.com Tue Oct 30 08:48:38 2007 From: David.Parks at lfr.com (Parks, David) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:48:38 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Test Message-ID: How about everybody signing their name all the time? This new address set-up makes it hard to tell who is responding. It makes it look like all e-mails come from the receiver. Guess who.. This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the named addressee(s) and may contain information that is legally privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not a named addressee, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the original sender immediately by telephone or by return e-mail and delete this message, along with any attachments, from your computer. Thank you. From gary at arrowracing.org Tue Oct 30 09:53:17 2007 From: gary at arrowracing.org (Gary C. Hensley) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:53:17 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] A New Corvette is Born Message-ID: <000c01c81b15$61f2bba0$1200a8c0@Presario2100> Looks to me like the Corvette has given birth? Gary C Hensley Phone: 248-670-0883 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of PICT0045.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of PICT0036.JPG] From gmc6power at earthlink.net Tue Oct 30 09:59:16 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:59:16 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... Message-ID: <25173235.1193763556223.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Congrats on the nicoteeeen. It's amazing how such a little piece can get so heavy a person cannot hold it very long. Many years ago the story goes a person walked into one of our weld shops and for some reason picked up a small plate on the cutting table. He did not see that it had been just cut. They dropped it very quickly and when asked about it replied "I didn't need very much time to examine it." Funny how metal seems to gain weight when hot. From neil at dbelltech.com Tue Oct 30 10:30:49 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:30:49 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... In-Reply-To: <001e01c81afc$2956e320$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> References: <001e01c81afc$2956e320$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <033101c81b1a$9cfe24a0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Keith; If you did find that bracket it would be bent up too bad to use-- Murphy's Law. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Keith Turk Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:52 AM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... It's not fair to say this isn't really an LSR problem... cause stuff like this happens to all of us, It's just that most of you are smart enough not to report it on a regular basis... So... there I was... making some cute brackets for a wiring loom... basically they are 1/2" wide 1.5" long bits of aluminum with three holes drilled in them... one 1/4" hole and two 1/8th" holes. You mount it with the big hole and use the little holes to wire tie the wires in place. That's the project... not to complicated eh?... I didn't like the way the Shear cut the metal so I took it over and used the band saw to do all the cutting ... just a bit of planning and the whole thing was going simply rosey... Kept all my finger tips and everything... ahhh but now we get to the heart of the matter and the reason for this over winded e-mail in the first place... Those dang band saws leave a rough edge and a fella oughta take these tiny things over to the horizontal belt sander and have a go at cleaning up those edges don't ya think? (This is for my 32 roaster project... so tidy work is always required...) Did ya know that Aluminum is a great transferor of Heat energy? No Really it is... I promise... if you try and hold one of these little brackets while it's rubbing itself off with the belt the dang thing creates friction.. and friction creates ... yep... Heat... ( pretty fancy stuff eh? ) Betcha can guess how long a man can stand the heat of the fire here can't ya... Yep... NOT long... and just like them burners on the stove... YOU will rapidly remove your fingers from the source of the Heat... and once you do... this little bracket, Well it takes off for parts unknown. Where... Hmmm don't know... here's what I know... The speed of the belt in conjunction with the light weight of the material involved ... virtually guarantee's you'll never find it... Keeping your eye on the ball here isn't possible when your primary objective is to stuff your hand in your mouth. Always keep in mind that it takes less time to make a new bracket if you have to move the sander, drill press, bench, and tool boxes to find the old one... and oh by the way... I already told you that you weren't going to find it... ( no matter how much you love the challenge ) So there you go... Life continues to be Good... Keith ( 20 days without Nicotine ) _______________________________________________ From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Tue Oct 30 10:28:41 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:28:41 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... In-Reply-To: <25173235.1193763556223.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: When I was a kid (in years, not mentality) I saw a neighbor kid pick up a bicycle crank that had just been welded but was no longer glowing red . . . . David in Durango -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Tone Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:59 AM To: Keith Turk; land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... Congrats on the nicoteeeen. It's amazing how such a little piece can get so heavy a person cannot hold it very long. Many years ago the story goes a person walked into one of our weld shops and for some reason picked up a small plate on the cutting table. He did not see that it had been just cut. They dropped it very quickly and when asked about it replied "I didn't need very much time to examine it." Funny how metal seems to gain weight when hot. _______________________________________________ davidadin at mercydurango.org Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From dmirror3 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 12:23:41 2007 From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... In-Reply-To: <001e01c81afc$2956e320$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <110254.68511.qm@web58008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> So easy to forget those little life lessons until your finger tips are being broiled. Much like the quick hole solved by the drill press, "sure, I can hold it with one hand..." then the bit catches..... Keith Turk wrote: It's not fair to say this isn't really an LSR problem... cause stuff like this happens to all of us, It's just that most of you are smart enough not to report it on a regular basis... So... there I was... making some cute brackets for a wiring loom... basically they are 1/2" wide 1.5" long bits of aluminum with three holes drilled in them... one 1/4" hole and two 1/8th" holes. You mount it with the big hole and use the little holes to wire tie the wires in place. That's the project... not to complicated eh?... I didn't like the way the Shear cut the metal so I took it over and used the band saw to do all the cutting ... just a bit of planning and the whole thing was going simply rosey... Kept all my finger tips and everything... ahhh but now we get to the heart of the matter and the reason for this over winded e-mail in the first place... Those dang band saws leave a rough edge and a fella oughta take these tiny things over to the horizontal belt sander and have a go at cleaning up those edges don't ya think? (This is for my 32 roaster project... so tidy work is always required...) Did ya know that Aluminum is a great transferor of Heat energy? No Really it is... I promise... if you try and hold one of these little brackets while it's rubbing itself off with the belt the dang thing creates friction.. and friction creates ... yep... Heat... ( pretty fancy stuff eh? ) Betcha can guess how long a man can stand the heat of the fire here can't ya... Yep... NOT long... and just like them burners on the stove... YOU will rapidly remove your fingers from the source of the Heat... and once you do... this little bracket, Well it takes off for parts unknown. Where... Hmmm don't know... here's what I know... The speed of the belt in conjunction with the light weight of the material involved ... virtually guarantee's you'll never find it... Keeping your eye on the ball here isn't possible when your primary objective is to stuff your hand in your mouth. Always keep in mind that it takes less time to make a new bracket if you have to move the sander, drill press, bench, and tool boxes to find the old one... and oh by the way... I already told you that you weren't going to find it... ( no matter how much you love the challenge ) So there you go... Life continues to be Good... Keith ( 20 days without Nicotine ) _______________________________________________ dmirror3 at yahoo.com Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed The problem is not that the world is full of fools...it's that lightning is not distributed properly Samuel Clemens Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From joyseydevil at comcast.net Tue Oct 30 13:10:26 2007 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:10:26 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... Message-ID: <001501c81b30$eb6eb3a0$9f3d2544@john> How many have put a glowing mig wire through their finger when the wire made partial contact and glanced off the piece you're welding . It really gets your attention . > > Betcha can guess how long a man can stand the heat of the fire here can't > ya... Yep... NOT long... and just like them burners on the stove... YOU > will > rapidly remove your fingers from the source of the Heat... and once you > do... > this little bracket, Well it takes off for parts unknown. Where... Hmmm > don't know... here's what I know... The speed of the belt in conjunction > with the light weight of the material involved ... virtually guarantee's > you'll never find it... Keeping your eye on the ball here isn't possible > when > your primary objective is to stuff your hand in your mouth. From sparky.2211 at cox.net Tue Oct 30 14:37:46 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:37:46 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... In-Reply-To: <001501c81b30$eb6eb3a0$9f3d2544@john> References: <001501c81b30$eb6eb3a0$9f3d2544@john> Message-ID: <682B3C169CA446C482E30A9E3A983E25@LMS> OUCH, sure beats my cold fishhook .023 Sparky AA/_ L 2211 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Burk" To: "LandSpeed List" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... > How many have put a glowing mig wire through their finger when the wire > made > partial contact and glanced off the piece you're welding . It really gets > your attention . From kturk at ala.net Tue Oct 30 15:00:22 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:00:22 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... References: <001501c81b30$eb6eb3a0$9f3d2544@john> <682B3C169CA446C482E30A9E3A983E25@LMS> Message-ID: <00a001c81b40$453fdfd0$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> > OUCH, sure beats my cold fishhook .023 > Sparky > AA/_ L 2211 > Sparky... how were you going to attach wires to a Fish hook? From BWANA343 at aol.com Tue Oct 30 15:37:44 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:37:44 EDT Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/30/2007 9:53:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kturk at ala.net writes: So there you go... Life continues to be Good... Keith ( 20 days without Nicotine ) First, congradulations! You Da Man !! My stupid burn story is not Car related but dumb enough to be entertaining. I was doing reserve duty after my two years of active duty with the Army in Fort Drum NY in 1967. I had the opportunity to fire a Browning Automatic Rifle ,(BAR), and naturally showed off to the reservists and guardsmen watching by firing off a full clip, from the shoulder with this very heavy beast. I then put the thing down, butt first, and promptly absentmindedly grabbed the really hot barrel with my bare right hand. I rapidly decided this was not the proper place to grasp the thing and removed same. My hand was stuck in the thumb touches fore finger position for a good week after. This was very handy (pun) for drinking bottled beer, shifting a four speed, or other manly pastimes, but otherwise usually inconvenient. Bob, never ever did anything stoopid again,either,W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Bobbyhotrods at comcast.net Tue Oct 30 16:23:54 2007 From: Bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (Bobbyhotrods at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:23:54 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Burns Message-ID: <103020072323.27461.4727BD0A0008215C00006B4522092299279C0B019D9B0108970D0D01BD@comcast.net> I can't beat Bwana's, but years ago I attended a Fuel Altered show at New England Dragway. I was in the crowded grandstand down at "the big end" when a car spit out some rods in the lights. Gees if an attendant didn't run out onto the tarmac to pick up some pieces with his bare hand! Yours truly, at the perfect comedic moment, yelled out what thousands of spectators were thinking, "HEY, THAT'S HOT!". Too late, the poor guy had them all laughing as he dropped the bits and tried to shake the heat off his hand..... From 23.weldon at comcast.net Tue Oct 30 18:40:46 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:40:46 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Fw: shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... Message-ID: <002001c81b5f$10762380$6401a8c0@S> FWD to list with edits EW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net> To: "Keith Turk" ; Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... > Kieth-- > No easy answer to the burning fingers problem, especially when you're > dealing with small steel parts. > In my small shop the belt sander is right next to the bandsaw; so the little > hot parts get put on the iron bandsaw table where they tend to cool a bit > faster if they're laying flat against it. > For aluminum deburring get yourself some of those special hand deburring > tools with the red handles and replaceable blades that machinists use. > Rotaburr is the name if I recall correctly. Another thing that works well > for me is a Dremel tool that sits plugged in close to hand on a little shelf > under the edge of my workbench. I leave a 1/4" diameter tapered aluminum > oxide stone in it that works well for all kinds of deburring of small parts > that the rotaburr or the sander won't do easily. I also have a collection > of small (6 or 8 inch) round and flat files with wooden dowel handles > hanging on finishing nails sticking out of the edge of the shelf above the > workbench near my bench vise....Again close to hand. These can also be kept > handy without the handles by being left standing upright in a wood block > with a number of deep 1/4" dia holes drilled into it. > 20 days!! Good. Looks like there's some tough stuff under those old bird > feathers. > Ed Weldon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Turk" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:52 AM > Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... > > It's not fair to say this isn't really an LSR problem... cause stuff like > this > > happens to all of us, It's just that most of you are smart enough not to > > report it on a regular basis... From dwarner230 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 30 19:32:52 2007 From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Shop test Message-ID: <797671.76146.qm@web52509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Keith, This one is too easy. The bracket flew to join its brother, the thing you lost in the attic years ago. I am sure you will find the bracket as soon as you find the thingie. DW Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From SCowle at mentorcollege.edu Wed Oct 31 05:11:23 2007 From: SCowle at mentorcollege.edu (Scott Cowle) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:11:23 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <472838AB020000380000543C@gw.mentorcollege.edu> There is something comforting in knowing i'm not the only one who has done stupid things.I guess my best was when I worked as a mechanic in a garage and I used a crowbar to put tension on an alternator belt and I was crouching down by the front fender to tighten one of the bolts when the crow bar slipped and I hit myself square in the forehead. I could feel myself losing consciousness and my boss was just standing there looking at me as if I was an idiot, and I trying not to look like the idiot I was( am?) said" that should do it" and tried to walk nonchalantly away.Then there was the time I set my own shop coat on fire by putting a distributor wrench down on the car's battery and it touch both posts and went redhot igniting my coat as I was leaning over the engine-geez. Scott >>> 10/30/2007 5:37 PM >>> In a message dated 10/30/2007 9:53:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kturk at ala.net writes: So there you go... Life continues to be Good... Keith ( 20 days without Nicotine ) First, congradulations! You Da Man !! My stupid burn story is not Car related but dumb enough to be entertaining. I was doing reserve duty after my two years of active duty with the Army in Fort Drum NY in 1967. I had the opportunity to fire a Browning Automatic Rifle ,(BAR), and naturally showed off to the reservists and guardsmen watching by firing off a full clip, from the shoulder with this very heavy beast. I then put the thing down, butt first, and promptly absentmindedly grabbed the really hot barrel with my bare right hand. I rapidly decided this was not the proper place to grasp the thing and removed same. My hand was stuck in the thumb touches fore finger position for a good week after. This was very handy (pun) for drinking bottled beer, shifting a four speed, or other manly pastimes, but otherwise usually inconvenient. Bob, never ever did anything stoopid again,either,W ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ scowle at mentorcollege.edu Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication may contain confidential or privileged proprietary material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, or distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive the information from the recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies of this message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <<>> From jon at infodestruction.com Wed Oct 31 05:40:46 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Shop test In-Reply-To: <797671.76146.qm@web52509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <797671.76146.qm@web52509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25DE525F-8CA2-49D8-8F6F-0B31189A6006@infodestruction.com> On Oct 30, 2007, at 10:32 PM, dan warner wrote: Keith, This one is too easy. The bracket flew to join its brother, the thing you lost in the attic years ago. I am sure you will find the bracket as soon as you find the thingie. DW The story reminds me of the "other" name for circlips. A few years ago a buddy was working on his car in my garage and removed a circlip using pliers or a screwdriver -- but not the correct tool. As the clip went flying to parts unknown he said to me "That's why they're called "Jesus Clips" -- 'cause when you work with them they fly away and you say "Jesus, where'd that thing go?" Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From sparky.2211 at cox.net Wed Oct 31 05:54:49 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 05:54:49 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... In-Reply-To: <00a001c81b40$453fdfd0$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> References: <001501c81b30$eb6eb3a0$9f3d2544@john><682B3C169CA446C482E30A9E3A983E25@LMS> <00a001c81b40$453fdfd0$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <7FB04B4BC1F24B1B96B4704F67AFDB64@LMS> Much to my regrett I attaced my finger----- Sparky AA/_ L 2211 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: "Sparky" ; "John Burk" ; "LandSpeed List" From dwarner230 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 31 06:39:38 2007 From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Shop test In-Reply-To: <25DE525F-8CA2-49D8-8F6F-0B31189A6006@infodestruction.com> Message-ID: <58145.64578.qm@web52503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jon, You mean that a screwdriver is NOT the proper tool for that job? DW Jon Wennerberg wrote: On Oct 30, 2007, at 10:32 PM, dan warner wrote: Keith, This one is too easy. The bracket flew to join its brother, the thing you lost in the attic years ago. I am sure you will find the bracket as soon as you find the thingie. DW The story reminds me of the "other" name for circlips. A few years ago a buddy was working on his car in my garage and removed a circlip using pliers or a screwdriver -- but not the correct tool. As the clip went flying to parts unknown he said to me "That's why they're called "Jesus Clips" -- 'cause when you work with them they fly away and you say "Jesus, where'd that thing go?" Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gmc6power at earthlink.net Wed Oct 31 06:54:35 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:54:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Land-speed] Shop test Message-ID: <5321168.1193838876021.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Jon I forgot that one! Learned it from my dad. "Jesus, where'd that thing go?> From adin at frontier.net Wed Oct 31 07:16:57 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:16:57 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Shop test Message-ID: <20071031081657.16f4uqol4wko08gc@webmail.brainstorminternet.net> As I remember, Jesus has delegated that to St. Anthony. I used to work w/ a lady that would pray to St. Anthony when she couldn't find a computer file - claiming St. Anthony was the patron saint of lost items. Who is the patron saint of loose wimmins? David Quoting James Tone : > Jon I forgot that one! Learned it from my dad. > > "Jesus, where'd that thing go?> > _______________________________________________ > adin at frontier.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From gmc6power at earthlink.net Wed Oct 31 11:14:14 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:14:14 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR hope this comes out Message-ID: <22423960.1193854455593.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Fw: Check out this tiny twin-engined plane...piloted by a human! World's Smallest Twin Engine Airplane. Noted French pilot Nicolas Charmont has installed 2 AMT Olympus turbines in his Cri Cri together with AMT on-board automatic start-up units and individual EDT's. AMT is a company from Netherlands. The Cri Cri weighs 170 Kg (375 lbs.), and should have enhanced performance with over 36 Kg (80 lbs.) of thrust available. Top speed at this flight was 240 k m/hour (150 mph). Flying with only one engine the speed is still 160 km/hour (100 mph). [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00001.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00002.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00003.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00004.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00005.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ATT00006.jpg] From 23.weldon at comcast.net Wed Oct 31 13:00:03 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:00:03 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR hope this comes out References: <22423960.1193854455593.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002d01c81bf8$a46bd9b0$6401a8c0@S> The link got stripped from my email so I just Googled Nicolas Charmont and it came right up on AMT websites. There's a lot of different AMT's around so you might have to dig a bit if you search on that word. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Tone" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR hope this comes out > Fw: Check out this tiny twin-engined plane...piloted by a human! > > World's > Smallest Twin Engine Airplane. > > Noted French pilot Nicolas Charmont has installed 2 AMT > Olympus turbines in his Cri Cri together with AMT on-board > > automatic start-up units and individual EDT's. > AMT is a company from Netherlands. > The Cri Cri weighs 170 Kg (375 lbs.), and should have > enhanced performance with over 36 Kg (80 lbs.) of thrust available. > Top speed at this flight was 240 k m/hour (150 mph). Flying > with only one engine the speed is still 160 km/hour (100 mph). From ifixmgs at cox.net Wed Oct 31 17:03:41 2007 From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:03:41 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Shop test In-Reply-To: <20071031081657.16f4uqol4wko08gc@webmail.brainstorminternet.net> Message-ID: <20071031200341.BTDYN.46984.root@eastrmwml12> David wrote Who is the patron saint of loose wimmins? What's really scary is that I knew that one right off the top of my head: Ol' Saint Nicholas - patron saint of pawnbrokers, sailors and girls of the night And here's somebody for all you guys running 14:1 compression ratio's to pray to: Saint Barbara - she's the patron saint of gunners, and, by default, detonation.... Mark C Out scarin the beejezus out of little kids at the edge of the Great Dismal Swamp on Halloween night... From kturk at ala.net Wed Oct 31 17:13:47 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:13:47 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Here's Freiburgers New gig. Message-ID: <018301c81c1c$19079b10$6900a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Hey guys ... just to let you know... David kicked off his new Forum today... it's just the start of this new Web gig he's got.... www.carjunkietv.com Run by and take a look... we need BONNEVILLE and MAXTON folks on this thing... or it's going to be overrun with Drag racers and such... LOL Keith From jolylance at earthlink.net Wed Oct 31 18:07:14 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:07:14 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... References: <472838AB020000380000543C@gw.mentorcollege.edu> Message-ID: <000301c81c23$91345c20$2101a8c0@WinXP> Once upon a time--I welded my watch band to the terminals of a voltage regulator, caused one hell of a burn on my wrist. Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cowle" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] shop comments sorta... ( no LSR )... > There is something comforting in knowing i'm not the only one who has done > stupid things.I guess my best was when I worked as a mechanic in a garage > and > I used a crowbar to put tension on an alternator belt and I was crouching > down > by the front fender to tighten one of the bolts when the crow bar slipped > and > I hit myself square in the forehead. I could feel myself losing > consciousness > and my boss was just standing there looking at me as if I was an idiot, > and I > trying not to look like the idiot I was( am?) said" that should do it" and > tried to walk nonchalantly away.Then there was the time I set my own shop > coat > on fire by putting a distributor wrench down on the car's battery and it > touch > both posts and went redhot igniting my coat as I was leaning over the > engine-geez. Scott From jolylance at earthlink.net Wed Oct 31 18:19:39 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:19:39 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Shop test References: <20071031200341.BTDYN.46984.root@eastrmwml12> Message-ID: <000c01c81c25$46a7f840$2101a8c0@WinXP> According to Zorba the Greek the one sin that a man commits and God will not forgive is when a woman invites a man to her bed and he does not go. God will not forgive that sin because every time it happens his mother Mary yells at him and complains "do you know what it's like to be a virgin for 2000 years?" Therefore, by deduction, Mary is the patron saint of loose wimmins. Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Shop test > David wrote > Who is the patron saint of loose wimmins? > > What's really scary is that I knew that one right off the top of my head: > Ol' Saint Nicholas - patron saint of pawnbrokers, sailors and girls of > the night > And here's somebody for all you guys running 14:1 compression ratio's to > pray to: Saint Barbara - she's the patron saint of gunners, and, by > default, detonation.... > Mark C > Out scarin the beejezus out of little kids at the edge of the Great Dismal > Swamp on Halloween night... > _______________________________________________ > jolylance at earthlink.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From bennevl at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 31 20:59:59 2007 From: bennevl at bellsouth.net (Bill Bennett) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:59:59 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Standard for weight of gasoline? Message-ID: <003a01c81c3b$acb6f9e0$6401a8c0@homedesktop> I know weight varies, but is there a standard weight for one gallon of gasoline? What is it? BillB From mike_lackey at yahoo.com Wed Oct 31 21:39:45 2007 From: mike_lackey at yahoo.com (Mike Lackey) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Land-speed] Wheels Message-ID: <240375.62834.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm trying to find 15 x 5 steel wheels with a 4 x 114.3 bolt pattern and about a 0 offset. I'm probably not gonna go faster than 150 (probably more like 125...) so I'm thinking stock steel wheels would work fine as long as I can find a good set. But, how do I figure out what kind of car would have what I'm looking for? Any ideas? Or just try scouring the junkyards? Mike Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Wed Oct 31 08:42:28 2007 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:42:28 -0400 Subject: [Land-speed] Anyone going to SEMA? References: <102920070601.8619.47257744000E7D7E000021AB2200737478CACCC7C09D0A9B9C0A99@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000201c81c8b$a978fe90$6601a8c0@Rick> We won't be at SEMA, but Glenys and I will be at PRI in early December. Looking forward to seeing some of you there. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "landspeed list" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:01 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Anyone going to SEMA? > We'll be there Tuesday morning sometime. Leaving Salt Lake City at oh > dark > hundred and driving down. If we don't connect by email before I leave, my > cell number is 801-583-3765 and Jim's is 801-558-1833. > > We could meet for breakfast on Wednesday or Thursday or go over to the > Hilton for the lunch buffet on either of those days too. Beats sitting on > the floor, juggling a plate and drink at the Convention Center and the > cost > is roughly the same. > > Wes > _______________________________________________ > rickbyrnes at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed