From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 07:56:55 2007
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:56:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Wheels
In-Reply-To: <240375.62834.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <766257.81054.qm@web30711.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mike, 
   
  If my math is correct, the 114.3mm is 4.5".  4 X 4.5 came onbunches of cars, but the ones that might have had 15" wheels are: 60-64 Chevy II & Nova; MGA, MGB & MBC; pre 87 Saabs, TR 1 - 6 Triumphs.  All the rest were probably 14" and 13".
   
  You can probably order some reasonably priced after market wheels from Summit since that pattern was common on small chevs, and early mustangs.
   
  DickJ
  In East Texas

Mike Lackey <mike_lackey at yahoo.com> wrote:
  I'm trying to find 15 x 5 steel wheels with a 4 x 114.3 bolt pattern and about a 0 offset. I'm probably not gonna go faster than 150 (probably more like 125...) so I'm thinking stock steel wheels would work fine as long as I can find a good set. But, how do I figure out what kind of car would have what I'm looking for? Any ideas? Or just try scouring the junkyards?

Mike
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From Rick at RBMotorsports.com  Thu Nov  1 08:12:48 2007
From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:12:48 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Standard for weight of gasoline?
References: <003a01c81c3b$acb6f9e0$6401a8c0@homedesktop>
Message-ID: <001101c81c99$ac99e540$6601a8c0@Rick>

Bill

The standard rate that Ford dynamometer uses for unleaded gasoline is 6.11 
pounds per gallon.  (If I remember correctly)...........

Rick

From dmirror3 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 14:07:46 2007
From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:07:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Wheels
In-Reply-To: <766257.81054.qm@web30711.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <606226.10295.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Most tire stores can sell new steel wheels for a reasonable price. Having worked in a salvage yard for many years, I saw far too many used wheels "with problems". 
  Dale Krumheuer
  Cleveland Ohio

Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com> wrote:
  Mike, 

If my math is correct, the 114.3mm is 4.5". 4 X 4.5 came onbunches of cars, but the ones that might have had 15" wheels are: 60-64 Chevy II & Nova; MGA, MGB & MBC; pre 87 Saabs, TR 1 - 6 Triumphs. All the rest were probably 14" and 13".

You can probably order some reasonably priced after market wheels from Summit since that pattern was common on small chevs, and early mustangs.

DickJ
In East Texas

Mike Lackey wrote:
I'm trying to find 15 x 5 steel wheels with a 4 x 114.3 bolt pattern and about a 0 offset. I'm probably not gonna go faster than 150 (probably more like 125...) so I'm thinking stock steel wheels would work fine as long as I can find a good set. But, how do I figure out what kind of car would have what I'm looking for? Any ideas? Or just try scouring the junkyards?

Mike


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From mike_lackey at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  1 16:43:10 2007
From: mike_lackey at yahoo.com (Mike Lackey)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:43:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Wheels
Message-ID: <28992.6149.qm@web30013.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks everyone for the advice.

I had several people recommend Diamond Racing Wheels: 
http://www.diamondracingwheels.com/StockCarSeries.htm
This particular wheel has a wide variety of sizes and bolt patterns and will suit my needs perfectly.  And at $43 ea for new wheels, it's hard to go wrong there.  I wasn't expecting them to be so reasonably priced new.  I might get a little cheaper at the junkyard, but as you said, there is a high likelyhood they will have problems.

Thanks again,
Mike

----- Original Message ----
From: Dale Krumheuer <dmirror3 at yahoo.com>
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 2:07:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Wheels

Most tire stores can sell new steel wheels for a reasonable price. Having worked in a salvage yard for many years, I saw far too many used wheels "with problems". 
  Dale Krumheuer
  Cleveland Ohio

Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com> wrote:
  Mike, 

If my math is correct, the 114.3mm is 4.5". 4 X 4.5 came onbunches of cars, but the ones that might have had 15" wheels are: 60-64 Chevy II & Nova; MGA, MGB & MBC; pre 87 Saabs, TR 1 - 6 Triumphs. All the rest were probably 14" and 13".

You can probably order some reasonably priced after market wheels from Summit since that pattern was common on small chevs, and early mustangs.

DickJ
In East Texas

Mike Lackey wrote:
I'm trying to find 15 x 5 steel wheels with a 4 x 114.3 bolt pattern and about a 0 offset. I'm probably not gonna go faster than 150 (probably more like 125...) so I'm thinking stock steel wheels would work fine as long as I can find a good set. But, how do I figure out what kind of car would have what I'm looking for? Any ideas? Or just try scouring the junkyards?

Mike


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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Thu Nov  1 23:22:43 2007
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:22:43 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] El M
Message-ID: <E6F5F83381BB486C88A47AC51677BBD1@LMS>

Is there anyone going to El M next weekend who might be available to help crew
on Sat  or Sunday?
      Sparky
AA/_ L  2211

From saltfever at comcast.net  Fri Nov  2 01:57:36 2007
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 01:57:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Standard for weight of gasoline?
Message-ID: <000001c81d2e$6ab16190$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Bill: The FAA standard that pilots use for weight and balance is 6 lbs per
gallon for gas.  -Elon

 

From: "Bill Bennett" 

I know weight varies, but is there a standard weight for one gallon of

gasoline? 

From gary at arrowracing.org  Fri Nov  2 06:23:07 2007
From: gary at arrowracing.org (Gary C. Hensley)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:23:07 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Shop Talk
Message-ID: <004801c81d53$8205fa20$1200a8c0@Presario2100>

I lit up my wedding ring between the battery and the firewall once.
Thankfully I had the presence of mind to take it off while the skin on my
finger was still liquid.
 
Ouch.
Gary C Hensley
 

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From lsrvette at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  2 06:47:31 2007
From: lsrvette at yahoo.com (John Staiger)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:47:31 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Shop Talk
In-Reply-To: <004801c81d53$8205fa20$1200a8c0@Presario2100>
References: <004801c81d53$8205fa20$1200a8c0@Presario2100>
Message-ID: <007f01c81d56$efb8ae70$cf2a0b50$@com>

Well that is one way to put the spark back into your relationship...

JLS

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Gary C. Hensley
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:23 AM
To: LandSpeed Digest
Subject: [Land-speed] Shop Talk

I lit up my wedding ring between the battery and the firewall once.
Thankfully I had the presence of mind to take it off while the skin on my
finger was still liquid.
 
Ouch.
Gary C Hensley
 

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From SCowle at mentorcollege.edu  Fri Nov  2 10:03:56 2007
From: SCowle at mentorcollege.edu (Scott Cowle)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:03:56 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] [ECTALSR] Health Issues
In-Reply-To: <ce8.1bf0317b.345c7baf@aol.com>
References: <ce8.1bf0317b.345c7baf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <472B203C0200003800005485@gw.mentorcollege.edu>

Joe make sure you take good care of yourself.Take it from a folically
challenged individual-having no hair is a blessing-very little upkeep for a
bald head.I'll expect to see you at the finish line next year-so you can tell
me how fast I went when I make a complete run instead of a mess( LOL). I'll be
thinking of you-let us all know how the treatments are progressing as time
goes on. Scott

>>> <Itraseecab at aol.com> 11/2/2007 8:10 AM >>>
Well folks, I got the final diagnosis Thursday that I have non-Hodgkin
Lymphoma.  If I stick with the original doc, I will start Chemo on Nov.  12th.
I
am seeing my primary doctor on Monday to see about the  alternatives. It will
be a long haul, but the docs seem to think there is a very  good chance the
long term prognosis will be a good one.

Looks like that before long I will have  a Todd Dross hair do!   Got an extra
Bandana Todd?

Joe Roberts



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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Fri Nov  2 10:20:09 2007
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:20:09 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] [ECTALSR] Health Issues
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In a message dated 11/2/2007 1:07:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
SCowle at mentorcollege.edu writes:

Looks  like that before long I will have  a Todd Dross hair do!   Got  an 
extra
Bandana Todd?

Joe Roberts



Considering all the negatives from Chemo, hair loss is not that big a  deal. 
My wife's a "survivor", losing  hair more serious w/ women. Stick to  the 
regimen,ask lots of questions, by the time you are finished you can get a  Phd in 
Oncology in most Banana Republics.
I'd consider having a Helmet Tatoo'd if I was dehaired, save all that money  
getting a fresh snell periodically.
Seriously, LSR is a community, your health is important to all of us,  
sharing your situation is OK, label it 'Non LSR", don't want to inconvenience  the 
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From ifixmgs at cox.net  Fri Nov  2 20:18:53 2007
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:18:53 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Shop Talk
In-Reply-To: <004801c81d53$8205fa20$1200a8c0@Presario2100>
Message-ID: <20071102231853.S12M0.189190.root@eastrmwml06.mgt.cox.net>

Ok, so this isn't a land speeder but it's still worth a hard  wince...  I was
on the flightline in Danang in the middle of a howling monsoon. The bad guys
had been sniping on and off and the day before one of our guys had been killed
while doing a preflight.      I had a screamin' case of amoebic dysentery, a
raging fever and day 500-something was about to get even worse than the day
before....  I suspected  a corroded electrical connector way up inside the
hole, about as far as I could reach standing on tiptoe,  and after twisting
loose about 3 or 4 turns, I felt something burning  like hell on my arm. I
ignored it because I had spent so much time getting my hand up there and
didn't want to start over.  After just a minute or two, I began feeling really
bad.  I was soaked to the skin, and even though it was probably 90 degrees, I
got colder and colder and remember thinking something  like "Oh $h1%, I've
been shot "    and blacked out.   Next thing I know, I'm on my back in a Navy
hospital with my arm covered in a huge bandage, and a couple of IV's running
full throttle. And I was tied to the bed with a corpsman standing watch over
me  wanting to know  why I wanted to "off" myself.    Found out the next
morning  that  someone  had repaired a wire in that same hole, and as was the
custom back then, used a pirated surgical scalpel to strip a wire or cut the
waxed string we used as spot tie. It nicked the guy who was sent out to finish
the job otherwise I might have been in deep doo doo...     He showed me the
big piece of curved  blade that had broken off and had  wedged tight in the
harness right where my wrist was resting -  it sliced me long and deep, and
not just once, but twice.     He also told me that the wire harness was
covered in blood.  The only stitches I got were on the inside and fortunately,
it healed nicely - I've only  got a couple of very fine lines left, about 6
inches long on my left wrist.
----

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sat Nov  3 09:42:44 2007
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:42:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Shop Talk
In-Reply-To: <20071102231853.S12M0.189190.root@eastrmwml06.mgt.cox.net>
References: <004801c81d53$8205fa20$1200a8c0@Presario2100>
	<20071102231853.S12M0.189190.root@eastrmwml06.mgt.cox.net>
Message-ID: <04cf01c81e38$8f47d330$0200a8c0@DBTech>

I think that as soon as I was released from that hospital I'd be looking for
the guy who did that previous "repair"! You're lucky someone found you in
time.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
ifixmgs at cox.net
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 8:19 PM
To: Gary C. Hensley; LandSpeed Digest
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Shop Talk

Ok, so this isn't a land speeder but it's still worth a hard  wince...  I
was
on the flightline in Danang in the middle of a howling monsoon. The bad guys
had been sniping on and off and the day before one of our guys had been
killed
while doing a preflight.      I had a screamin' case of amoebic dysentery, a
raging fever and day 500-something was about to get even worse than the day
before....  I suspected  a corroded electrical connector way up inside the
hole, about as far as I could reach standing on tiptoe,  and after twisting
loose about 3 or 4 turns, I felt something burning  like hell on my arm. I
ignored it because I had spent so much time getting my hand up there and
didn't want to start over.  After just a minute or two, I began feeling
really
bad.  I was soaked to the skin, and even though it was probably 90 degrees,
I
got colder and colder and remember thinking something  like "Oh $h1%, I've
been shot "    and blacked out.   Next thing I know, I'm on my back in a
Navy
hospital with my arm covered in a huge bandage, and a couple of IV's running
full throttle. And I was tied to the bed with a corpsman standing watch over
me  wanting to know  why I wanted to "off" myself.    Found out the next
morning  that  someone  had repaired a wire in that same hole, and as was
the
custom back then, used a pirated surgical scalpel to strip a wire or cut the
waxed string we used as spot tie. It nicked the guy who was sent out to
finish
the job otherwise I might have been in deep doo doo...     He showed me the
big piece of curved  blade that had broken off and had  wedged tight in the
harness right where my wrist was resting -  it sliced me long and deep, and
not just once, but twice.     He also told me that the wire harness was
covered in blood.  The only stitches I got were on the inside and
fortunately,
it healed nicely - I've only  got a couple of very fine lines left, about 6
inches long on my left wrist.
----

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Nov  3 11:34:30 2007
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:34:30 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Mustang Headers..
Message-ID: <472CBF36.4040301@mayfco.com>

Is there anyone on the lsit who might have a set of the factory stock 
shorty headers as used on 5.0L mustangs alying around in the garage or 
whop? I need some to experiment with in fabbing up a turbo header for 
the sunbeam. If I could   borrow them, I would pay shipping both ways. I 
wont molest your borrowed headers... I just need some to see how they 
might be made to fit. Then if they work out, I can purchase new and hack 
and slash on the new ones.

mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Nov  3 11:40:14 2007
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:40:14 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Another Wheel Question...
Message-ID: <472CC08E.6080304@mayfco.com>

I am going to purchase a couple of  wheels from Diamond Racing Wheels 
because the Goodyear tire folk said my 2 rear wheels had wobbles in 
them. Well, I put the bare wheels on the spindle in front and set up a 
dial indicator. Wobble seems to be over stated, but just for chuckles, 
how much would make a wheel no good? These have 0.010" max for one wheel 
and about 0.016" for the other. That doesn't seem like a lot, but whadda 
I know?  Yes, I can call wheel suppliers but I am asking you folk with 
your direct experience. Would you run wheels with this much "wobble"? In 
fact, how many of you actually check the run out to begin with? This is 
not something I would normally do..

mayf

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sat Nov  3 12:00:00 2007
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:00:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Another Wheel Question...
In-Reply-To: <472CC08E.6080304@mayfco.com>
References: <472CC08E.6080304@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <04f901c81e4b$bc3e9e60$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Mayf;

Check the radial runout as well as axial. Although a tire is never exactly
round, adding radial runout from a wheel that it's mounted on makes that
problem worse. 

Ten & sixteen thousands sounds OK to me. Maybe the rear axle mounting
surfaces aren't true or perhaps the lug nuts were not tightened evenly. I
always use a torque wrench and use a recommended tightening pattern.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
drmayf
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 11:40 AM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] Another Wheel Question...

I am going to purchase a couple of  wheels from Diamond Racing Wheels 
because the Goodyear tire folk said my 2 rear wheels had wobbles in 
them. Well, I put the bare wheels on the spindle in front and set up a 
dial indicator. Wobble seems to be over stated, but just for chuckles, 
how much would make a wheel no good? These have 0.010" max for one wheel 
and about 0.016" for the other. That doesn't seem like a lot, but whadda 
I know?  Yes, I can call wheel suppliers but I am asking you folk with 
your direct experience. Would you run wheels with this much "wobble"? In 
fact, how many of you actually check the run out to begin with? This is 
not something I would normally do..

mayf

From mactem at mebtel.net  Sun Nov  4 05:33:55 2007
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:33:55 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Gibby and Dripps' E/STR
Message-ID: <012101c81ede$f8b23260$0300a8c0@brightstar>

The last page of the November 07 issue of "Automobile" magazine has a
one page article on Robin Dripps and Rob Gibby and their E/STR record
holder. Friends since childhood, hot rodders thru and thru. Couldn't
find the article online to link to, but if you're at a newsstand...
David

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Nov  4 09:32:50 2007
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:32:50 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Another Wheel Question...
In-Reply-To: <472CC08E.6080304@mayfco.com>
References: <472CC08E.6080304@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <472DF432.90204@wildblue.net>

Mayf,

Less than .020 should be fine.
I would be much more concerned about stagger.

Bryan


drmayf wrote:
> I am going to purchase a couple of  wheels from Diamond Racing Wheels 
> because the Goodyear tire folk said my 2 rear wheels had wobbles in 
> them. Well, I put the bare wheels on the spindle in front and set up a 
> dial indicator. Wobble seems to be over stated, but just for chuckles, 
> how much would make a wheel no good? These have 0.010" max for one wheel 
> and about 0.016" for the other. That doesn't seem like a lot, but whadda 
> I know?  Yes, I can call wheel suppliers but I am asking you folk with 
> your direct experience. Would you run wheels with this much "wobble"? In 
> fact, how many of you actually check the run out to begin with? This is 
> not something I would normally do..
> 
> mayf

From ifixmgs at cox.net  Sun Nov  4 15:53:43 2007
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 17:53:43 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Slo-speed Land Farm Tractor] Need a "special"
 piece of scrap...
In-Reply-To: <c92.1871f881.345cb649@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20071104175343.FJ9WF.236866.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net>

All,
     My Case loader has temporarily bit the dirt, or should I say the dirt has bit-back....   I'm  having a fit trying to locate a  piece of thick wall  3/4" OD round stock, 1-1/2"  to 3" long  with at least one true end.   I'd prefer to use something with a 3/8"  ID,  as a 3/8" bolt will be used to secure it to the end of a shaft, but I have a bunch of hardened  3/8 id x 1/2 and 5/8 sleeves, so pretty much anything with a hole 3/8 or larger in the center will do.  The pulley assembly I need to use slides onto the existing shaft nearly 2 full inches  but  needs  an extra 1 5/8" to support the outer end for safety and peace of mind.     
    The pulley assy probably weighs 4 pounds and turns between 800 and 1200 revs so I just want to make sure it's supported end to end.      There's no significant load on the belt or the driven pulley, but these  mechanicals are virtually inaccessible, and I don't ever want to take this thing apart again....  I've been to the local tractor supply and feed/seed and implement companies,  the longest 3/4" od bushings they carry are only an inch   and all the bushing suppliers I found on google want minumum purchases of, say 100 pieces.... 
    I'm not in an immediate rush and will keep looking locally.   But, if  anyone has such an animal, please drop me an email off list.  
   Thanks 
Mark Childers
Pine Grove Ranch on the edge of the Great Dismal Swamp, where 'skeeters continue to maintain air superiority.  

From ifixmgs at cox.net  Sun Nov  4 16:37:56 2007
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:37:56 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] [Land-speed on TV)
In-Reply-To: <04cf01c81e38$8f47d330$0200a8c0@DBTech>
Message-ID: <20071104183756.P8RCR.237217.root@eastrmwml13.mgt.cox.net>

 I was flipping channels today on my shop tv today when I came across mid-scene of a yellow 'liner  (alt least that's what it sort of looked like, all  inverted and backwards  in the middle of a  salt cloud of salt spray.  The  show was one of those "I actually walked away from THAT??? docu-dramas.   The driver was  John Lee - now  driving a blue roadster -  then my compressor kicked on and I missed the entire interview.    That was some tumble.... are you a lister, John?
Mark C 


Also,  Here's a blast from the past (Aug 1950) 
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/06/02/hot-rod-derby-on-the-salt-flats/

From ed at vetteracing.com  Sun Nov  4 17:49:23 2007
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:49:23 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] El M
Message-ID: <W237332720997811194223763@webmail32>

Yep. I can help.
Ed



>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sparky [mailto:sparky.2211 at cox.net]
>Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 11:22 PM
>To: 'AA List'
>Subject: [Land-speed] El M
>
>Is there anyone going to El M next weekend who might be available to help crew
>on Sat or Sunday?
> Sparky
>AA/_ L 2211
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From adin at frontier.net  Sun Nov  4 20:01:22 2007
From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:01:22 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] News?
Message-ID: <20071104200122.7sghw21djggogwo4@webmail.brainstorminternet.net>


From adin at frontier.net  Sun Nov  4 20:03:18 2007
From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:03:18 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] News
Message-ID: <20071104200318.ck0usfv34g0woo08@webmail.brainstorminternet.net>

Ah, this computer stuff is tough.

I believe this has been posted . . .

http://www.hotrodsforsale.com/cgi-bin/others/race_car/classifieds/atl.cgi?ct=2&md=second&id=20

  Dunlop 388kph! World Land Speed Record Holder Here is a rare  
opportunity to own the World Land Speed Record Holding ?Spirit of  
Dunlop?. At over 242 mph this U.S. built racecar is the fastest  
vehicle ever on production street tires, shattering the existing  
world-record by over 45 mph. In its current set-up the engine delivers  
1300 horsepower and 1000 ft/lbs of torque from its state-of ?the-art,  
585 CI, 8 cylinder engine that runs on methanol at a compression ratio  
of 15.8 to 1. As such the car could easily be modified and turned into  
a pro mod drag car. Please call Tom at (323) 251-0987 for viewing or  
further information or check out these links for further information  
about this car: http://www.geocities.com/gtd40com/dunlop.html  
http://www.geocities.com/titortirescom/dunlop.html


cheers

From rbuck at xmission.com  Sun Nov  4 21:09:36 2007
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:09:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] News
In-Reply-To: <20071104200318.ck0usfv34g0woo08@webmail.brainstorminternet.net>
References: <20071104200318.ck0usfv34g0woo08@webmail.brainstorminternet.net>
Message-ID: <472E9780.4090901@xmission.com>

Isn't this the same car that's been in a US Customs warehouse for a year 
or so?

RtR

adin at frontier.net wrote:
> Ah, this computer stuff is tough.
>
> I believe this has been posted . . .
>
> http://www.hotrodsforsale.com/cgi-bin/others/race_car/classifieds/atl.cgi?ct=2&md=second&id=20
>
>   Dunlop 388kph! World Land Speed Record Holder Here is a rare  
> opportunity to own the World Land Speed Record Holding ?Spirit of  
> Dunlop?. At over 242 mph this U.S. built racecar is the fastest  
> vehicle ever on production street tires, shattering the existing  
> world-record by over 45 mph. In its current set-up the engine delivers  
> 1300 horsepower and 1000 ft/lbs of torque from its state-of ?the-art,  
> 585 CI, 8 cylinder engine that runs on methanol at a compression ratio  
> of 15.8 to 1. As such the car could easily be modified and turned into  
> a pro mod drag car. Please call Tom at (323) 251-0987 for viewing or  
> further information or check out these links for further information  
> about this car: http://www.geocities.com/gtd40com/dunlop.html  
> http://www.geocities.com/titortirescom/dunlop.html

From saltfever at comcast.net  Wed Nov  7 19:23:02 2007
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:23:02 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Slip Indicator
Message-ID: <000201c821ae$4a412ab0$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Keith I know you are going through de-tox so absent mindedness is
acceptable. A couple of weeks ago I asked a question about your slip
indicator in the Camaro but you never responded. You mentioned it during one
of the "otto" discourses. You don't have to get into the electronics but how
did it work?  Was it an of-the-shelf device or did someone make it for you?
I'm not talking about the slew-rate traction controls that are available. I
want driver control, not computer control.  -Elon

From kturk at ala.net  Wed Nov  7 19:26:51 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:26:51 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Slip Indicator
References: <000201c821ae$4a412ab0$6401a8c0@dim8100>
Message-ID: <01b601c821ae$d2fb9bb0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

The Slip indicator was a Small white warning light from Autometer... I think 
it's called an ultra light or something.. then we hooked it up to the Motec 
EFI system... it simply measured a disparity between the front and the rear 
wheel speed.

We had it set at like 15% slip ...

K 

From saltfever at comcast.net  Wed Nov  7 19:36:16 2007
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:36:16 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Slip Indicator
In-Reply-To: <01b601c821ae$d2fb9bb0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <000701c821b0$233f70a0$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Aha! So that is how the comparison was done. The Motec is out of my league
but that is a great idea. How did you generate a signal at each wheel? An
ABS rotor, magnets?    

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Turk, Sent: Wednesday
. . . we hooked it up to the Motec EFI system... it simply measured a
disparity between the front and the rear wheel speed.

From kturk at ala.net  Wed Nov  7 19:38:46 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:38:46 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Slip Indicator
References: <000701c821b0$233f70a0$6401a8c0@dim8100>
Message-ID: <01bd01c821b0$7e3dd000$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

magnets... we had Wheel speed indicators on both cars... when we were 
running the QuikData system... ( before classic didn't allow data acq. )

K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elon" <saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "'Keith Turk'" <kturk at ala.net>; "'land-speed submit'" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Slip Indicator


> Aha! So that is how the comparison was done. The Motec is out of my league
> but that is a great idea. How did you generate a signal at each wheel? An
> ABS rotor, magnets?

From lsrvette at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  8 05:52:43 2007
From: lsrvette at yahoo.com (John Staiger)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:52:43 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Slip Indicator
In-Reply-To: <01bd01c821b0$7e3dd000$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <000701c821b0$233f70a0$6401a8c0@dim8100>
	<01bd01c821b0$7e3dd000$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <005901c82206$475bb600$d6132200$@com>

Keith,

When you ran this setup - was it the Quick data that you had hooked to the
light, or did you use the quickdata wheel inputs to feed the Motec (serial
connection) and the Motec controlled the light?  Just curious...

JLS

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+lsrvette=yahoo.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+lsrvette=yahoo.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Keith Turk
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:39 PM
To: Elon; 'land-speed submit'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Slip Indicator

magnets... we had Wheel speed indicators on both cars... when we were 
running the QuikData system... ( before classic didn't allow data acq. )

K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elon" <saltfever at comcast.net>
To: "'Keith Turk'" <kturk at ala.net>; "'land-speed submit'" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Slip Indicator


> Aha! So that is how the comparison was done. The Motec is out of my league
> but that is a great idea. How did you generate a signal at each wheel? An
> ABS rotor, magnets?
_______________________________________________
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From john at engr.wisc.edu  Thu Nov  8 09:59:34 2007
From: john at engr.wisc.edu (john robinson)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:59:34 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] auxiliary power
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20071108105437.023483b8@cae.wisc.edu>

Howdy, I seem to remember a rule that allows an auxiliary engine to power 
anything other that the drive wheels, so if I have an omega class engine, 
can I use an internal combustion engine to power the auxiliaries? my rule 
book being somewhere other than where I am at this time,,,,,,,,,,,,, 
anybody got an answer?

           John Robinson, Mechanician
   Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin
                 1513 University Ave.
                  Madison, Wi. 53706
                     608-262-3606
            Current World Land Speed Record Holder
                  Bonneville Salt Flats
                      H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt
                  144.396 MPH set 2000
         Antarctic Ice Driller 2002-03
         Greenland Ice Driller 2006 

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Nov  8 13:08:22 2007
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:08:22 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] auxiliary power
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20071108105437.023483b8@cae.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <002101c82243$2161cd30$6401a8c0@S>

John--
A quick reading of Section 2A in the rulebook leads me to think there is no
specific prohibition against what you're suggesting. A closer reading of the
book might show something more specific.
 Not too long ago we did knock around the idea of an auxiliary engine
powering just a supercharger (I think that's what it was).  This was tried
out some decades ago in drag racing; but was outlawed by the NHRA.  I think
the general nervousness surrounding such a practice comes from the worry
about what would happen in the event of a crash, fire or major engine
failure when you've got this auxiliary energy source still doing its thing
accompanied by its own internal processes that may involve high
temperatures,pressures or kinetic energy or maybe hazardous chemicals.  Of
course this sounds like a battery might fit that category.  But the battery
is the devil we know pretty well.
If I were embarking on an Omega streamliner I'd give a whole lot of thought
to the safety aspects of the auxiliary power source and not design myself
into a corner that I could't get out of if a safety problem raised its head.
Also about the time I was starting to layout the design or commit money to
the project I'd try and get into a dialog with Roy Creel.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "john robinson" <john at engr.wisc.edu>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] auxiliary power


> Howdy, I seem to remember a rule that allows an auxiliary engine to power
> anything other that the drive wheels, so if I have an omega class engine,
> can I use an internal combustion engine to power the auxiliaries? my rule
> book being somewhere other than where I am at this time,,,,,,,,,,,,,
> anybody got an answer?

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Thu Nov  8 20:20:45 2007
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:20:45 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] auxiliary power
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20071108105437.023483b8@cae.wisc.edu>
	<002101c82243$2161cd30$6401a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <004101c8227f$84bb5680$7241e942@Home>

 Howdy, I seem to remember a rule that allows an auxiliary engine to power
>> anything other that the drive wheels, so if I have an omega class engine,
>> can I use an internal combustion engine to power the auxiliaries? my rule
>> book being somewhere other than where I am at this time,,,,,,,,,,,,,
>> anybody got an answer?


I suspect that this would fall under the multple engine rule...not allowed 
except in streamliner. Also any additional displacement would figure into 
the class displacement limits if it was allowed.

If memory serves me well, Ak Miller and Dr. Ostich had planned to use a 
Harley engine to drive a supercharger in the Henry-J "Thing" and it was 
disallowed. That was 1957!!!

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC...(Car loaded and we are leaving for El Mirage 
in the AM).

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From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Thu Nov  8 23:54:13 2007
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:54:13 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] auxiliary power
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20071108105437.023483b8@cae.wisc.edu><002101c82243$2161cd30$6401a8c0@S>
	<004101c8227f$84bb5680$7241e942@Home>
Message-ID: <000e01c8229d$57198800$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>

I'm not the right guy to respond but back in the early days of drag racing 
one of our historians Jack Underwood was involved with a Willys which had a 
671blower in the trunk powered by an auxillary engine. It ran up to a 
Chrysler in the front and started with a pull rope. Hauled the mail and was 
destine for a digger but marriage got in the way and all was lost. This was 
at Santa Ana drags in the 50's. See you during inspections Tom..JD
>
> If memory serves me well, Ak Miller and Dr. Ostich had planned to use a
> Harley engine to drive a supercharger in the Henry-J "Thing" and it was
> disallowed. That was 1957!!!
>
> Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC...(Car loaded and we are leaving for El 
> Mirage
> in the AM).
>
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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  9 18:54:45 2007
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:54:45 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Sunbeam      attn; Mayf !  LSR   yup it is
Message-ID: <BAY135-W1488CEB9FE6E9BC2294C4CD9850@phx.gbl>

better take a look:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250181801372&ssPageName=AD
ME:B:WNA:US:1123





  cheers, "Dirt Track Doug"  in exile in So. New York,


  -22 miles from Square Deal Raceway,

  -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway,

   -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway

   -105 miles south of "the  Syracuse  Mile" ...

   -265 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway

   -2325 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats

           and never more than a few feet from a cold one

_________________________________________________________________
Climb to the top of the charts!  Play Star Shuffle:  the word scramble
challenge with star power.
http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct

From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Sat Nov 10 09:42:30 2007
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:42:30 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Sunbeam      attn; Mayf !  LSR   yup it is
In-Reply-To: <BAY135-W1488CEB9FE6E9BC2294C4CD9850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB2098BDBB5@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

Bobbyhotrods got it! With a buy it now.....

Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder



-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.ne
t] On Behalf Of Doug Anderson
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:55 PM
To: LAND SPEED A_LIST
Subject: [Land-speed] Sunbeam attn; Mayf ! LSR yup it is

better take a look:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250181801372&ssPageNa
me=AD
ME:B:WNA:US:1123





  cheers, "Dirt Track Doug"  in exile in So. New York,


  -22 miles from Square Deal Raceway,

  -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway,

   -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway

   -105 miles south of "the  Syracuse  Mile" ...

   -265 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway

   -2325 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats

           and never more than a few feet from a cold one

_________________________________________________________________
Climb to the top of the charts!  Play Star Shuffle:  the word scramble
challenge with star power.
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ct
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From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Sat Nov 10 18:54:19 2007
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 01:54:19 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Wow What A Bargain!!!
Message-ID: <111120070154.7292.473660CB000B981800001C7C22007456720101090E030906@comcast.net>

Man!!  That toy Sunbeam was a STEAL!!!!

That thing is so collectable I can't believe it!

JMcNaul

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Nov 10 19:35:41 2007
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:35:41 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Inexpensive Pressure Transducer
Message-ID: <47366A7D.1030201@mayfco.com>

I want to record fuel pressure. Anyone know of a cheap transducer that 
will work? I have 5 volts available to power it. I think its range 
should be around 0 - 100 psi. Anybody know of such a cheap beast?

mayf

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Sat Nov 10 20:45:10 2007
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:45:10 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Inexpensive Pressure Transducer
References: <47366A7D.1030201@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <000801c82415$45164660$6401a8c0@S>

Mayf--You're not likely to find anything cheaper than an original Ford
Flathead oil pressure tranducer (1/4" NPT male).  They never fail that I've
ever known of.  They work pretty well at low pressures.  How would I know
that?  Old well worn flatheads would still run pretty well with almost no
oil pressure on the gauge after they warmed up.
The oil transducers are designed to go into the standard bridge type gauge
circuit that is inherently voltage insensitive.  Any of you guys not
familiar with those critters I'll be glad to try to explian it in words or
send you a diagram from an old automotive technology book from the 1950's.
I suspect a little digging on the internet will turn up a pretty good
explanation.  I haven't looked yet.  To use them with a non early Ford
electric gauge you may have to recalibrate using a mechanical bourdon tube
gauge as a standard.  Easy to do if you can lash up a little water pressure
rig where you adjust the backup pressure with a valve or a garden hose
nozzle.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: <jyturbo at yahoogroups.com>; <tweecer at yahoogroups.com>; "LSR"
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:35 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Inexpensive Pressure Transducer
> I want to record fuel pressure. Anyone know of a cheap transducer that
> will work? I have 5 volts available to power it. I think its range
> should be around 0 - 100 psi. Anybody know of such a cheap beast?
> mayf

From webmaster at landracing.com  Sat Nov 10 22:22:03 2007
From: webmaster at landracing.com (Jonathan Amo)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:22:03 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Wow What A Bargain!!!
In-Reply-To: <111120070154.7292.473660CB000B981800001C7C22007456720101090E030906@comcast.net>
References: <111120070154.7292.473660CB000B981800001C7C22007456720101090E030906@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <04A1AC4A3EB4402985AE25BDF734B3FC@JonPC>

Actually that is a repro and is readily available. not so collectable. But a 
good bargain if you can't find an original from Western Models from I think 
it was the 1940's.. I had several of the originals at one time and they sold 
at my online store for about $225..

Jon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jgmagoo at comcast.net>
To: "land-speed-digest" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:54 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Wow What A Bargain!!!


> Man!!  That toy Sunbeam was a STEAL!!!!
>
> That thing is so collectable I can't believe it!
>
> JMcNaul

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sat Nov 10 23:13:56 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:13:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Nice honor for Nish
Message-ID: <D2A7E0DC-5DFF-40FB-8840-115CCF3A5E67@comcast.net>

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=2130505

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Nov 11 12:30:09 2007
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:30:09 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Inexpensive Pressure Transducer
In-Reply-To: <47366A7D.1030201@mayfco.com>
References: <47366A7D.1030201@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <01dc01c82499$46297f20$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Mayf;

I've seen many pressure transducers on eBay. Most will probably require a
higher voltage power supply and others are a 4- 20mA current loop output.
Keep looking and you'll find one.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
drmayf
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:36 PM
To: jyturbo at yahoogroups.com; tweecer at yahoogroups.com; LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] Inexpensive Pressure Transducer

I want to record fuel pressure. Anyone know of a cheap transducer that 
will work? I have 5 volts available to power it. I think its range 
should be around 0 - 100 psi. Anybody know of such a cheap beast?

mayf

From webmaster at landracing.com  Sun Nov 11 17:15:09 2007
From: webmaster at landracing.com (Jonathan Amo)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:15:09 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Inexpensive Pressure Transducer
In-Reply-To: <01dc01c82499$46297f20$0200a8c0@DBTech>
References: <47366A7D.1030201@mayfco.com>
	<01dc01c82499$46297f20$0200a8c0@DBTech>
Message-ID: <F0ACB95643E24E869D59B91D4A368F9C@JonPC>

I get all my transducers at DigiKey. They have a comprehensive website for 
just about anything in that arena. They are great sensors have just about 
anything. I believe I spent about $80 on one for my fuel system. It was 
1/8" pipe and takes a 5v reference voltage. There are others that take a 12V 
ref if that is what you need for your system. I think Mayf's application and 
systems used are all a 5v reference.

Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; <jyturbo at yahoogroups.com>; 
<tweecer at yahoogroups.com>; "'LSR'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Inexpensive Pressure Transducer


> Mayf;
>
> I've seen many pressure transducers on eBay. Most will probably require a
> higher voltage power supply and others are a 4- 20mA current loop output.
> Keep looking and you'll find one.
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> drmayf
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:36 PM
> To: jyturbo at yahoogroups.com; tweecer at yahoogroups.com; LSR
> Subject: [Land-speed] Inexpensive Pressure Transducer
>
> I want to record fuel pressure. Anyone know of a cheap transducer that
> will work? I have 5 volts available to power it. I think its range
> should be around 0 - 100 psi. Anybody know of such a cheap beast?
>
> mayf
> _______________________________________________
> webmaster at landracing.com
>
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>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Nov 11 18:11:49 2007
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:11:49 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Inexpensive Pressure Transducer
In-Reply-To: <F0ACB95643E24E869D59B91D4A368F9C@JonPC>
References: <47366A7D.1030201@mayfco.com>
	<01dc01c82499$46297f20$0200a8c0@DBTech>
	<F0ACB95643E24E869D59B91D4A368F9C@JonPC>
Message-ID: <021a01c824c9$009ee960$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Mayf, Jon;

Digi- Key is a great source for all sorts of electronic components. If you
can't find a pressure transducer there, try Omega Engineering-- they have
all sorts of transducers, sensors, etc. 

Here is one example:

  http://www.omega.com/ppt/pptsc.asp?ref=PX138&Nav=preb03

To get a calibrated 5V output you need to provide it with an 8V source. This
can be a simple voltage regulator (not an automotive voltage regulator) that
is connected to your 12V system.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Amo [mailto:webmaster at landracing.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:15 PM
To: neil at dbelltech.com; drmayf at mayfco.com; jyturbo at yahoogroups.com;
tweecer at yahoogroups.com; 'LSR'
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Inexpensive Pressure Transducer

I get all my transducers at DigiKey. They have a comprehensive website for 
just about anything in that arena. They are great sensors have just about 
anything. I believe I spent about $80 on one for my fuel system. It was 
1/8" pipe and takes a 5v reference voltage. There are others that take a 12V

ref if that is what you need for your system. I think Mayf's application and

systems used are all a 5v reference.

Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <neil at dbelltech.com>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>; <jyturbo at yahoogroups.com>; 
<tweecer at yahoogroups.com>; "'LSR'" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Inexpensive Pressure Transducer


> Mayf;
>
> I've seen many pressure transducers on eBay. Most will probably require a
> higher voltage power supply and others are a 4- 20mA current loop output.
> Keep looking and you'll find one.
>
> Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> drmayf
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:36 PM
> To: jyturbo at yahoogroups.com; tweecer at yahoogroups.com; LSR
> Subject: [Land-speed] Inexpensive Pressure Transducer
>
> I want to record fuel pressure. Anyone know of a cheap transducer that
> will work? I have 5 volts available to power it. I think its range
> should be around 0 - 100 psi. Anybody know of such a cheap beast?
>
> mayf

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sun Nov 11 22:46:44 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:46:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Want a '32 roadster?
Message-ID: <94E1D20D-8EA0-45EC-BB60-E79A3A4FFCD7@comcast.net>

http://blog.roddersjournal.com/?p=16

From JON at infodestruction.com  Mon Nov 12 07:58:13 2007
From: JON at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:58:13 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing.com troubles?
Message-ID: <0005F6D4-D639-42A9-9DD5-8A56B5375FC7@infodestruction.com>

Anybody else having difficulties using landracing.com?  For the past  
few days it's been either difficult or impossible to open some pages,  
such as today -- when I can't post a comment on the forum.  When I  
give up and hit the button to go back to the home site -- nothing  
happens there, either.  Sometimes I get a message telling me that  
things are busy -- sometimes nothing at all.

Maybe it's just my local internet service.  Is yours working right?

                 Jon Wennerberg
Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
              Marquette, Michigan
              (that's 'way up north)

From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Mon Nov 12 08:03:40 2007
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:03:40 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing.com troubles?
In-Reply-To: <0005F6D4-D639-42A9-9DD5-8A56B5375FC7@infodestruction.com>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB2098BDC86@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

Working good from Ohio!

Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder




-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+mike.meierle=alcatel-lucent.com at autox.team.ne
t] On Behalf Of Jon Wennerberg
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:58 AM
To: land speed
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing.com troubles?

Anybody else having difficulties using landracing.com?  For the past few
days it's been either difficult or impossible to open some pages, such
as today -- when I can't post a comment on the forum.  When I give up
and hit the button to go back to the home site -- nothing happens there,
either.  Sometimes I get a message telling me that things are busy --
sometimes nothing at all.

Maybe it's just my local internet service.  Is yours working right?

                 Jon Wennerberg
Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
              Marquette, Michigan
              (that's 'way up north)
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From dlodom at charter.net  Mon Nov 12 12:21:44 2007
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:21:44 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] El Mirage Camero spin
Message-ID: <4738A7C8.9040005@charter.net>

Go to the SCTA site and see the video of the camero break an axle and 
tell me why you don't think you should run a floater rearend. What 
happened to the wheel and tire? The danger that the wheel is to other 
people on the lake bed is reason enough.    Doug in big ditch

From ecpurinton at wildblue.net  Mon Nov 12 18:51:01 2007
From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:51:01 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] landracing.com troubles?
Message-ID: <47390305.70408@wildblue.net>

Jon W,

     I am not a 'puter whiz so can't say for sure why,  but I have 
experienced a few difficulties with the site over the last few weeks.  
Sometimes more difficult or slower to get on, sometimes slower, freezing 
up, or dropping connection once on.  Knew Jon was changing some things 
around on and off so thought maybe I was trying to access while changes 
were being made.  I have a satellite hookup which is influenced very 
heavily by the weather so [with my limited 'puter skills] it is hard for 
me to diagnose root causes. 

Jon A,

     NO COMPLAINTS, I just consider these as small irritants in the path 
of  technological progress.  I never had it so good in being able to 
keep up with LSR happenings.  KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

                              Ed Purinton

From rbuck at xmission.com  Mon Nov 12 20:44:48 2007
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:44:48 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..turbocharging theory
Message-ID: <E1Irmhj-0005oA-6B@mgr1.xmission.com>

Before I write anything I'll state my utter lack of experience with 
turbochargers.  I've never worked with them at all.  So if this is a 
stupid question, please chalk it up to ignorance of the whole 
concept...and I'd be grateful if someone who has some real world or 
theoretical knowledge can enlighten me.

I was considering the effectiveness of a turbocharger on a motor with 
restrictive heads and/or small valves...and I started thinking about 
the fact that a turbo pressurizes the intake side of the "air pump" 
concept of a motor and could help overcome a intake restriction 
problem.  But I wondered about the exhaust side.  Would it be 
feasible to use another element (or set of vanes) to scavenge the 
exhaust ports?  That would have to feed into the drive element of the 
turbocharger...so it'd be like a big loop...almost like a perpetual 
motion machine, but not quite, since there still has to be some 
combustion taking place.

Then I wondered if the inertia of the exhaust side of a turbo 
actually does some of this.  Could a turbo actually become a 
scavenging system, sucking the exhaust gasses out of the cylinder to 
be used to continue spinning of the vanes?  Sounds like a relative 
pressure thing...that maybe a pump engineer (or a fluid dynamics 
expert) might be familiar with.

I'm gettin a headache tryin to conceive how there might be a suction 
effect at the exhaust port, yet a pressure effect on the turbo vanes 
at the same time.  Maybe it just wouldn't work that way.  I think 
I'll go get a glass of warm milk (ok, a bowl of ice cream) and go to bed.  :)

Ray the Rat

From mactem at mebtel.net  Mon Nov 12 21:35:20 2007
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:35:20 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed]  Sorta off-sorta on-topic..
Message-ID: <00ec01c825ae$99707380$0300a8c0@brightstar>

Ray,  A turbocharger has two sets of blades.  The compressor blades
(which compress intake air) and the turbine blades (use exhaust pressure
to generate rotational force). The compressor side of the turbo forces
(compacts) air into the intake manifold (more than the valves and
pistons can intake)  This in effect creates a pressure back against the
compressor blades which are solidly connected to the exhaust driven
turbine blades. Soon as a puff of exhaust from one cylinder passes
through and turns the tubine blades the back pressure from the above
mentioned compressor immediately slows the turbine blades until the next
puff from another cyclinder comes along and pushes the turbine blades
against and past that slow down.  There is a point at which a compressor
creates such back pressure in the exhaust (reversion) that the pistons
can't push the exhaust out past and through the blades.  But maybe if we
put a big flywheel on it ....
David

From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Tue Nov 13 06:18:52 2007
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:18:52 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..
In-Reply-To: <00ec01c825ae$99707380$0300a8c0@brightstar>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB2098BDF5F@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

"  There is a point at which a compressor creates such back pressure in
the exhaust (reversion) that the pistons can't push the exhaust out past
and through the blades.  But maybe if we put a big flywheel on it ...."


There is a exhaust wastegate to limit the total amount of intake
pressurization. It lets excess exhaust gasses bypass the drive side of
the turbo. Keeps that backpressure thing from getting too bad.
Then there is the Blow Off Valve, you need that on the other side to
prevent the intake/throttlebody from being damaged when the throttle
blades close with 15 -30 PSI of air on the way, when shifting etc...

Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder

From jon at infodestruction.com  Tue Nov 13 06:20:43 2007
From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:20:43 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..turbocharging theory
In-Reply-To: <E1Irmhj-0005oA-6B@mgr1.xmission.com>
References: <E1Irmhj-0005oA-6B@mgr1.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <AA43F2A2-5E2B-40FA-8BD2-894302867A48@infodestruction.com>

On Nov 12, 2007, at 10:44 PM, Ray Buck wrote:

Before I write anything I'll state my utter lack of experience with
turbochargers.  I've never worked with them at all.  So if this is a
stupid question, please chalk it up to ignorance of the whole
concept...and I'd be grateful if someone who has some real world or
theoretical knowledge can enlighten me.




Ed, I think your idea is not out of the question -- but won't work  
the way you're thinking about doing it.  That is (as others have  
already pointed out), the turbo compresses incoming air using the  
energy in the outgoing exhaust.  There's a little loss of energy,  
too, in bearings and other parasitic loads.  Where would the power  
for the exhaust sucker come from (flywheels don't count -- they need  
to be powered by something, and the pulses of energy from individual  
combustion events are used by the turbo's normal operation -- I doubt  
there'd be enough left over for your machine).

The concept of pulling the exhaust out might work -- but the energy  
would have to be supplied from something -- not the incoming air,  
since it's powered by the exhaust.  But could you power an exhaust  
extractor from a small motor or engine?  Would you be able to gain  
enough to make the extra energy load worthwhile?  That's best left  
for others to explore.  You'd need either a good-size remote  
electrical source to power the sucker (pun intended) -- remote so you  
don't lose more power sucking than you gain from the sucking effect  
-- or a "pony" engine that does nothing but power the exhaust puller- 
outer.  That remote engine would put you into a different class if  
you're talking about a race vehicle, or it would be an additional  
load, noise generator, fuel user, and space taker if you're talking  
about doing it in the family grocery-getter.

So -- would it work?  I suppose so, theoretically.  Is it worth the  
hassle to engineer and design and prototype and build?  Unh, maybe,  
if you have time and a shop and a drawing board handy.  Is it  
preferable to twisting the boost know up a bit (to get more power) --  
probably not.

Nonetheless, a nice concept for thinking about while drinking this  
morning's coffee.

                 Jon Wennerberg
Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
              Marquette, Michigan
              (that's 'way up north)

From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Tue Nov 13 06:32:27 2007
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:32:27 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..turbocharging theory
In-Reply-To: <AA43F2A2-5E2B-40FA-8BD2-894302867A48@infodestruction.com>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB2098BDF72@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

Isn't some of this happening during valve overlap? It's not really
sucking the exhaust out but actually pushing it out during this event.
The reason the wastegate is so important. What was that story about the
Offy blowing up on the dyno with a stuck closed wastegate.

Oh yeah, Morning Jon....you too?

Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder

From jon at infodestruction.com  Tue Nov 13 06:33:10 2007
From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:33:10 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..turbocharging theory
In-Reply-To: <AA43F2A2-5E2B-40FA-8BD2-894302867A48@infodestruction.com>
References: <E1Irmhj-0005oA-6B@mgr1.xmission.com>
	<AA43F2A2-5E2B-40FA-8BD2-894302867A48@infodestruction.com>
Message-ID: <53DE73DD-7741-472C-B9D6-04C3D717384E@infodestruction.com>

On Nov 12, 2007, at 10:44 PM, Ray Buck wrote:

Ed,




Ed?  Why I call you Ed, Ray?

                 Jon Wennerberg
Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
              Marquette, Michigan
              (that's 'way up north)

From ecpurinton at wildblue.net  Tue Nov 13 07:03:57 2007
From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:03:57 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Re Sorta off-sorta on-topic turbocharger theory
Message-ID: <4739AECD.9040204@wildblue.net>

    GM refers to the Roots blowers on the intake side of their 2 stroke 
diesels as "scavenging air blowers",  purpose is to keep  exhaust moving 
in the proper direction  during  time when  intake ports and exhaust 
valves are open at same time [overlap].  Another interesting fact;  
turbos on their 2 stroke locomotives are gear driven with an overriding 
clutch [think old Saab free wheeling deal design on massive steroids] up 
until 6th or 7th  out of 8 notches [speeds] for same reason of exhaust 
flow direction until exhaust heat/pressure builds enough to take over.

                       Ed [also likes 'puter time with morning coffee] 
Purinton

From jon.the.wise at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 01:37:52 2007
From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jon Bishop)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:37:52 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..turbocharging theory
In-Reply-To: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB2098BDF72@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
References: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB2098BDF72@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
Message-ID: <820CDB0B-BDE1-44F1-8AB5-42CCEE8D424E@gmail.com>

On Nov 13, 2007, at 5:32 AM, MEIERLE Mike wrote:

> Isn't some of this happening during valve overlap? It's not really
> sucking the exhaust out but actually pushing it out during this event.

Turbochargers don't like overlap. The less overlap in a turbo car the  
better.

Beyond that, I'm not sure I quite understand the original question.  
Could you reword it so that I might understand what it is you're  
trying to accomplish?

From rbuck at xmission.com  Wed Nov 14 12:28:58 2007
From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:28:58 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..turbocharging theory
In-Reply-To: <820CDB0B-BDE1-44F1-8AB5-42CCEE8D424E@gmail.com>
References: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB2098BDF72@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
	<820CDB0B-BDE1-44F1-8AB5-42CCEE8D424E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1IsNuy-0002y3-49@mgr1.xmission.com>

At 01:37 AM 11/14/2007, Jon Bishop wrote:
>On Nov 13, 2007, at 5:32 AM, MEIERLE Mike wrote:
>
> > Isn't some of this happening during valve overlap? It's not really
> > sucking the exhaust out but actually pushing it out during this event.
>
>Turbochargers don't like overlap. The less overlap in a turbo car the
>better.
>
>Beyond that, I'm not sure I quite understand the original question.
>Could you reword it so that I might understand what it is you're
>trying to accomplish?

Hmmm...let's see.  The original question was about using a 
turbocharger to improve the performance of a motor that had a 
limitation of valve size because of a relatively small bore.  A Chevy 
305 in particular.  A friend is considering dropping one into his 
son's 76 Nova to replace the tired original motor that's in there now.

It seemed to me that using a turbo would force more air/fuel mixture 
into the cylinder and mitigate the problem created by the small 
intake valves.  I know it's not a "proper" way of going about curing 
that problem (a 350 or 400 smallblock would be the route I'd 
take.)  But as a mental exercise (and because the kid's first 
reaction when he heard about the new motor was, "let's put a blower 
on it!") I began to think that while the intake side might be helped 
by cramming more mixture in, there was no real way of dealing with 
the exhaust side and wondered if it might be a bottleneck to the whole thing.

Then I began to consider what might be done to help the exhaust flow 
a little better.  Porting and well designed headers would seem to be 
a good start, but I wondered if there was a way to scavenge the 
exhaust from the cylinder and still use it as the means to spin the turbo.

As I considered further, I wondered if a second driven impeller on a 
turbo might be used to suck the exhaust out of the cylinder and force 
it into the turbine side of the turbocharger.  I know it sounds like 
a Rube Goldberg type of perpetual motion thing...but who 
knows?  David Adin reminded me that "nothing is free" and I'm aware 
of that, but still, I wonder if there was a way to help extract the 
exhaust through the exhaust valve by assisting it in the same way 
that the mixture is forced through the intake.

I hope that's a little clearer.  If not, maybe we can just chalk it 
up to the pain meds as the result of some oral surgery. :)

RtR

From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Wed Nov 14 13:46:50 2007
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:46:50 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..turbocharging theory
In-Reply-To: <E1IsNuy-0002y3-49@mgr1.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB2098BE66B@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

To answer your original question, the majority of applications use
larger exhaust tubes to help free up the flow, and wrap the header to
preserve the heat which helps the (hot)gases flow better and maintain
their velocity to the turbine housing, which in turn compresses more
intake charge.

Complicating the system trying to scavenge the exhaust with additional
systems would be more complicated and expensive than getting
better/modifying heads.

It is always better to have good flow through the system. If the
heads/valves flow is poor, the turbo won't change that, it will just
build boost pressure faster because of the restrictive air flow. What
you are really doing with a turbo is increasing the compression ratio,
dynamically of course.

The turbo is about as free as you can get for a perpetual motion
machine, but your really utilizing previously wasted heat and gasses to
drive a simple mechanism.


IMHO,
Your opinion may vary,
I reject your reality and substitute my own,
Illigitimus non carborundum,

Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Wed Nov 14 14:23:13 2007
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:23:13 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..turbocharging theory
In-Reply-To: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB2098BE66B@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>
Message-ID: <00b401c82704$91602990$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405>

Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..turbocharging theory

Sorry but it does not raise the compression ratio one bit. I raises the
air density if done correctly. If not done correctly it only raises the
inlet air temperature.. The whole dynamic compression ratioo change is
some sort of urban myth/ explanation for something people do not
understand. Boost is a meaningless value really what you should be
interested in is pounds per minute of air.
Dave


<snip>
 What you are really doing with a turbo is increasing the compression
ratio, dynamically of course.
<snip>
Mike Meierle

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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Wed Nov 14 22:17:12 2007
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:17:12 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] E-bay
Message-ID: <000601c82746$c79e6660$521a2544@john>

Drop tank lakester , LSR pickup and Quad 4 engine on E-bay under "salt flats"
.

From dmirror3 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 14 23:17:23 2007
From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:17:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] E-bay
In-Reply-To: <000601c82746$c79e6660$521a2544@john>
Message-ID: <586043.28637.qm@web58004.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

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From dwright at genetics.utah.edu  Thu Nov 15 12:50:49 2007
From: dwright at genetics.utah.edu (Dan Wright)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:50:49 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] exhaust superscavenging
Message-ID: <CACA6BF13836AF4CA0C40492599D7CF65C6FF34E73@m2.hg.genetics.utah.edu>

Ray
Some experimenting has been done in the area you asked about.  I was told that
Jim Fueling experimented with a mechanically (rather than exhaust driven)
driven supercharger to forcibly extract exhaust gasses.  He called the gizmo a
"SuckCharger".  Since filling the cylinder with a new charge is the goal, the
suckcharging operation was very fussy about valve overlap.  As I understand
Fuelings experiments, the resulting performance increases were not sufficient
to generate great excitement.

That stands to reason, while the intake charge exists at atmospheric pressure
and temperature (it doesn't have much kinetic energy), the exhaust charge is
(at the moment of exhaust valve opening) pretty excited stuff.  It is at high
pressure and has a great deal of heat energy.  When that exhaust valve cracks
open, the first stages of exhaust gas exodus are highly energetic, and very
fast moving.  Once an object (exhaust gas slug in this case) is in motion, it
tends to stay in motion (inertia).  The best designed headers use that inertia
to produce a cylinder scavenging effect and a pipe scavenging pulse between
sequential cylinders.  That same pressure, inertia and heat energy drive the
turbine side of turbochargers.

These differences between the passive nature of the intake charge vs the
energetic exhaust event are why we see smaller exhaust valves and ports
(compared to the intakes) in almost all engines.

I am sure I have grossly oversimplified this subject, perhaps some of our
flowbench savvy members have something to add??

Dan Wright
"Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler."
Albert Einstein

From v4gr at rcn.com  Thu Nov 15 14:36:03 2007
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:36:03 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] exhaust superscavenging
References: <CACA6BF13836AF4CA0C40492599D7CF65C6FF34E73@m2.hg.genetics.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <000801c827cf$86903390$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Remember the guy who had the megaphones with cones in them to creat a low 
pressure. I guess like an expansion chamber. Conada? They looked cool.  RF
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Wright" <dwright at genetics.utah.edu>
To: <rbuck at xmission.com>
Cc: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:50 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] exhaust superscavenging


> Ray
> Some experimenting has been done in the area you asked about.  I was told 
> that
> Jim Fueling experimented with a mechanically (rather than exhaust driven)
> driven supercharger to forcibly extract exhaust gasses.  He called the 
> gizmo a
> "SuckCharger".  Since filling the cylinder with a new charge is the goal, 
> the
> suckcharging operation was very fussy about valve overlap.  As I 
> understand
> Fuelings experiments, the resulting performance increases were not 
> sufficient
> to generate great excitement.

From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Nov 15 14:39:41 2007
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:39:41 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..turbocharging theory (Ray
	Buck)
Message-ID: <000001c827d0$08426930$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Hi Ray:  Part I

Great question because it makes us all stop, in our busy worlds, and reflect
on the basics which is always a good thing. I'll do this in too parts simple
because my two fingered typing can't even keep up my slow mental process :-)



First off remember that your proposed exhaust sucker (ES) would not be
sucking anything out of the cylinder. The piston already pushes 100% of the
cylinder volume out. (Even if there is overlap, which is a no no on a turbo,
the piston is doing all of the real work). This is important to remember for
a comment later on. Your ES would only lower the residuals left in the
combustion chamber and the exhaust port volume up to where your ES resides.
So assuming a compression of 10:1 the volume in the combustion chamber is
only 1/10 of the cylinder volume and the volume in the port is maybe 1/3 of
cylinder volume. (Assuming a 302 SBC, 618cc cylinder and a 220cc exhaust
port volume). So you are talking about reducing some exhaust residuals equal
to less than 1/2 of the cylinder volume. Is it worth it? Well, lets think
about it. Pushing out the burned mix does cost the piston some HP. So if you
could lower the delta P in the ex port, theoretically during the very short
overlap period, the ES could be helping the piston during about the last few
degrees of travel BTDC. Is there a very slight HP savings there . . . maybe?
However, the intake opens a few degrees BTDC and you would then be sucking
out your fresh air/fuel mix, which is not such a good move because your ES
is most efficient with hot expanding gas.  So far no free lunch . . .!  :-)
-Elon

From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Nov 15 14:41:22 2007
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:41:22 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..turbocharging theory (Ray
	Buck)
Message-ID: <000501c827d0$4482c200$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Part II

In any system we are always talking about managing energy for our greatest
benefit. So it is important to consider if our CONSUMPTION of energy is
being put to a greater benefit. I am greatly simplifying things here so I
can see things clearly. It has already been mentioned about parasitic losses
(bearings), and there are also pumping losses. Many things come into play
that can tilt the energy equation negatively but they are not considered
here so as not to confuse the principals.



As mentioned the piston does most of the work exhausting the mix.  However,
such is not the case for ingesting the air/fuel.  All the piston can do is
create a depression or a lower delta P and atmospheric pressure is
responsible for pushing (filling) the cylinder volume. We all know that
volumetric efficiency (VE) is LESS than 100% except in highly developed
systems. So anything you can do to increase VE is an improvement.  Contrast
this to the exhaust side of things where the piston ALWAYS gives 100%
volumetric exhaust. (We are talking about the volume of the cylinder only,
not the combustion chamber or the port).



So how does all this balance out. The turbo and your ES all take horsepower
used to drive the compressor. The turbo is an exhaust driven air compressor.
Not much different from your garage compressor. If you want to compress (or
store energy) it takes HP to do it. The turbo is consuming HP but it is
returning it in spades by creating a denser (thanks Dave) intake mix.
Remember, anything you can do to pressurize the intake will INCREASE
CYLINDER FILLING and that is where HP is made. The more HP available to the
turbo the greater it can compress the intake mix. That is a winner and you
don't want to do anything to subtract from the turbine-driving-HP.  There is
only so much HP in the exhaust flow. Let's say it is 50 hp. All of that can
be used to compress the mix. However, if you want to use 30% of that hot gas
HP to drive your ES, you will get an improvement in exhaust port depression
but you have robbed the intake compressor of 30% hp. Filling that cylinder
is extremely important. Remember the piston gives 100% cylinder volume
exhaust but only slight help in cylinder filling. So where would you want to
direct your available HP? I have dismissed is an incredible amount of detail
in your question.  Exhaust dilution of the intake charge, thermodynamics,
CFD. Materials developments, etc. All of it is doable but the effort is
probably directed in the wrong direction.

   -Elon

From saltfever at comcast.net  Thu Nov 15 15:49:51 2007
From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:49:51 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Exhaust Sucker
Message-ID: <000001c827d9$d55bf860$6401a8c0@dim8100>

If you are bored with this use your little finger and delete!



Ray continued . . .

Ray there is another phenomenon to consider. I understand the principal but
I don't know the physics behind it.  Good old Bernoulli had another unknown,
commonly misunderstood, principal.  I don't know what it is called but I can
describe the effect for you so you can apply it to your thoughts about your
exhaust sucker (ES).



Bernoulli's principal is an inverse relationship between pressure and flow.
As flow goes up, pressure goes down and vice versa. But he also had some
thoughts on turbulence. Turbulence will actually REDUCE flow. Use the
example of 1,000 psi trying to be pushed through a .020'' orifice. Now
compare that to the same 1,000 psi flowing through a 2'' diameter pipe.  The
difference in flow will NOT be a liner relationship of the area differences.
There is a 100x difference in area but the flow difference will be LESS than
that. The cause is because a lot of flow energy is being converted to heat
energy due to turbulence. Turbulence slows or stops flow. Both of the
restrictions mentioned will heat up after a while. But the 0.20 will become
much hotter than the bigger one. That energy conversion of flow to heat
reduces the flow of the smaller orifice non-linearly.



The reason I bring up this example is for your exhaust-sucker-turbo. The
exhaust port has a certain finite area. It will flow only so much until it
becomes terribly inefficient due to turbulence. Pulling on the port with
your ES is probably at a point where the HP consumed by your ES will not
yield an equal flow improvement. That consumed HP may be used more
beneficially in other areas. The same thing can be said for compressing the
intake charge. But you get the idea . . . and just one more thing to think
about. Maybe the engineers on here will have a different slant which I'm
sure is interesting.  -Elon

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 15 23:05:00 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:05:00 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] If you couldn't make SEMA ...
Message-ID: <14A7C213-D91C-47C3-873F-273BEDADB137@comcast.net>

Here's some photos from the show:

http://semadigital.com/

From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Fri Nov 16 08:22:10 2007
From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:22:10 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Vent Tube Routing
Message-ID: <111620071522.8586.473DB5A200058F380000218A22007601809C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net>

Hello list. After looking around for a compact Moontank check valve, I found one at Coleman Racing. I know the preferred routing for the subsequent vent tube is a nearly 360* loop around the tank, but I'll confess I don't fully understand the concept. If any fluid got in the tube wouldn't it interfere with breathing, or is that the idea, such that any gas that gets into the tube will get sucked back into the tank? Also, for the sake of a neat appearance couldn't I just route the tube down the back side of the tank, across, then up to approximately the same level? Thanks, BJ

From jon.the.wise at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 14:31:58 2007
From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jon Bishop)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:31:58 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Sorta off-sorta on-topic..turbocharging theory
In-Reply-To: <E1IsNuy-0002y3-49@mgr1.xmission.com>
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	<E1IsNuy-0002y3-49@mgr1.xmission.com>
Message-ID: <AB828906-5660-4694-AA23-334C04868D97@gmail.com>

On Nov 14, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Ray Buck wrote:

> At 01:37 AM 11/14/2007, Jon Bishop wrote:
>> On Nov 13, 2007, at 5:32 AM, MEIERLE Mike wrote:
>>
>> > Isn't some of this happening during valve overlap? It's not really
>> > sucking the exhaust out but actually pushing it out during this  
>> event.
>>
>> Turbochargers don't like overlap. The less overlap in a turbo car the
>> better.
>>
>> Beyond that, I'm not sure I quite understand the original question.
>> Could you reword it so that I might understand what it is you're
>> trying to accomplish?
>
> Hmmm...let's see.  The original question was about using a  
> turbocharger to improve the performance of a motor that had a  
> limitation of valve size because of a relatively small bore.  A  
> Chevy 305 in particular.  A friend is considering dropping one into  
> his son's 76 Nova to replace the tired original motor that's in  
> there now.
> <snip>
>
> As I considered further, I wondered if a second driven impeller on  
> a turbo might be used to suck the exhaust out of the cylinder and  
> force it into the turbine side of the turbocharger.  I know it  
> sounds like a Rube Goldberg type of perpetual motion thing...but  
> who knows?  David Adin reminded me that "nothing is free" and I'm  
> aware of that, but still, I wonder if there was a way to help  
> extract the exhaust through the exhaust valve by assisting it in  
> the same way that the mixture is forced through the intake.
>
> I hope that's a little clearer.  If not, maybe we can just chalk it  
> up to the pain meds as the result of some oral surgery. :)
>
> RtR
>

Alright, now I understand. But yea, it sounds like you're trying to  
develop something to compensate for small valves.

There's been a lot of good info posted, so I'm just going to  
summarize my suggestion.

Twin Turbos sound really cool when you're describing your engine to  
someone, but a single larger turbo will be easier to tune.

Get a cam with minimal overlap, and then decide how many RPMs that  
motor's going to generally run at, figure out the approximate airflow  
at that RPM, and get the turbo that will flow that much efficiently...

Don't undersize your turbo, it will overheat the air and that causes  
you to lose air density. It's almost better to go too big (you will  
experience a slight delay from the pedal hitting the floor and the  
power coming on, as the turbo spins up, but it will more efficiently  
compress the air, and it won't heat as much) than too small (instant  
throttle response which is then negated by overheating issues, and  
flow problems)


Otherwise, get a nice set of heads and a roots blower.

~Jon

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Nov 18 14:28:26 2007
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:28:26 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR   Cosmologist Wanted...
Message-ID: <4740AE7A.7050104@mayfco.com>

IS there anyone on the list who is a practicing cosmologist? I have an 
age of the solar system question.

mayf

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sun Nov 18 14:33:20 2007
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:33:20 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR   Cosmologist Wanted...
In-Reply-To: <4740AE7A.7050104@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <002801c82a2a$a3daaef0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405>

About ten minutes older than you and I?? That is a SWAG but probably not
far off.. LOL
Dave

-----Original Message-----
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Of drmayf
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:28 PM
To: LSR
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR Cosmologist Wanted...


IS there anyone on the list who is a practicing cosmologist? I have an
age of the solar system question.

mayf

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Nov 18 14:43:17 2007
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:43:17 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR   Cosmologist Wanted...
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Message-ID: <4740B1F5.6070507@mayfco.com>

Well, after my dental surgery last Thursday, I am now convinced that i 
may be far older than that, lol. I think I saw the solar system in early 
formation...course it could have been the meds.

mayf
ddahlgren at snet.net wrote:

>About ten minutes older than you and I?? That is a SWAG but probably not
>far off.. LOL
>Dave
>
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>To: LSR
>Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR Cosmologist Wanted...
>
>
>IS there anyone on the list who is a practicing cosmologist? I have an 
>age of the solar system question.
>
>mayf
>
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From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Nov 18 14:54:04 2007
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:54:04 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR   Cosmologist Wanted...
In-Reply-To: <002801c82a2a$a3daaef0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405>
References: <4740AE7A.7050104@mayfco.com>
	<002801c82a2a$a3daaef0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405>
Message-ID: <022a01c82a2d$89b0f630$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Mayf;

The only cosmologist I knew was Dr. Sebastian Von Hoerner but he retired and
moved back to Germany; I heard that he died a few years ago. Too bad-- he
was a genuinely nice guy.

Von Hoerner was a German soldier on the Eastern Front when he was struck in
the eye by a bullet that glanced off a pair of binoculars that were hanging
around his neck. He was evacuated to a hospital in Germany to be treated for
his wound and was there recovering when the Eastern Front collapsed. He said
that if he hadn't been hit he probably would have been killed. His glass eye
was a souvenir of that episode in his life. One doesn't usually associate an
experience like that with a cosmologist/astrophysicist.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ



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Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Non LSR Cosmologist Wanted...

About ten minutes older than you and I?? That is a SWAG but probably not
far off.. LOL
Dave

-----Original Message-----
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Of drmayf
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:28 PM
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Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR Cosmologist Wanted...


IS there anyone on the list who is a practicing cosmologist? I have an
age of the solar system question.

mayf

From jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 18 15:00:57 2007
From: jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net (John Thornton)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:00:57 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR   Cosmologist Wanted...
In-Reply-To: <4740AE7A.7050104@mayfco.com>
References: <4740AE7A.7050104@mayfco.com>
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drmayf wrote:
> IS there anyone on the list who is a practicing cosmologist? I have an 
> age of the solar system question.
>
> mayf


My brother Ronnie is a physicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for 
Astrophysics.
I don't mind forwarding any question you might want to ask.

John Thornton

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Sun Nov 18 15:13:55 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:13:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR   Cosmologist Wanted...
In-Reply-To: <4740B619.9010600@sbcglobal.net>
References: <4740AE7A.7050104@mayfco.com>
  <4740B619.9010600@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <EF18D674-9E0A-445E-8D18-D83D422169C1@comcast.net>

My daughter's best friend from high school is a PhD in astrophysics  
from Berkeley.  I could forward a question to her if you don't get  
what you want from John.

Wes

On Nov 18, 2007, at 3:00 PM, John Thornton wrote:

> drmayf wrote:
>> IS there anyone on the list who is a practicing cosmologist? I have  
>> an
>> age of the solar system question.
>>
>> mayf
>
>
> My brother Ronnie is a physicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for
> Astrophysics.
> I don't mind forwarding any question you might want to ask.
>
> John Thornton
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From ifixmgs at cox.net  Sun Nov 18 15:31:41 2007
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:31:41 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR   Cosmologist Wanted...
In-Reply-To: <4740AE7A.7050104@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <20071118173141.P3ML0.68419.root@eastrmwml26.mgt.cox.net>

Mayf,
    My neighbor is a cosmetologist but she's out there in her own little universe, and her husband is a proctologist who  graduated at the ass end of his class.  I took a half dozen astronomy and related physics courses in college, but that was long before they discovered that Pluto wasn't really a planet after all.  I was really  confused when Dr. Sandler  said   "And your anus is out there between Saturn and Neptune.  I never did find  Saturn,  but I read in the almanac that Neptune was somewhere between Asbury Park and Belmar in New Jersey. My ass, however,  was stuck somewhere  between English 401 and Engineering 303 in Champaign, Illinois.
Mark C 

---- drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote: 
> IS there anyone on the list who is a practicing cosmologist? I have an 
> age of the solar system question.

From jolylance at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 18 15:36:08 2007
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:36:08 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR   Cosmologist Wanted...
References: <4740AE7A.7050104@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c82a33$709a7ad0$2101a8c0@WinXP>

The universe is 15 billion years old, the solar system (ours) quite a bit 
less.

Lance

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From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR Cosmologist Wanted...


> IS there anyone on the list who is a practicing cosmologist? I have an
> age of the solar system question.
>
> mayf
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From yesford at clear.net.nz  Sun Nov 18 16:00:56 2007
From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:00:56 +1300
Subject: [Land-speed] Age of the Universe.
Message-ID: <7D2958D6D5624C7A875C5A5C4BB0EC76@ChrisHarrisPC>

Can't answer the big question Mayf, bit before my time, but interesting item
below of more recent history.
Chris H..........NZed.



THE HISTORY OF WIRELESS

Recently the New Orleans Times Picayune newspaper reported that a Cajun
amateur archaeologist, having dug to a depth of 10 meters, found traces of
copper wire dating back 100 years, and came to the conclusion that their
ancestors already had a telephone network more than 100 years ago.

Not to be outdone by the Cajuns, in the weeks that followed Texas scientists
dug to a depth of 20 meters. Shortly after, headlines in the Dallas Morning
News read: "Texas archaeologists have found traces of 200-year old copper
wire, and have concluded that their ancestors already had an advanced
high-tech communications network 100 years earlier than the Cajuns."

One week later, the Daily Oklahoman reported: "After digging as deep as 30
meters in wheat fields near Watonga, Bubba Williams, a self-taught
archaeologist, reported that he found absolutely nothing. Bubba has therefore
concluded that 300 years ago, Oklahomans were already using wireless."

Author Unknown

From john at engr.wisc.edu  Mon Nov 19 05:55:24 2007
From: john at engr.wisc.edu (john robinson)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:55:24 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] short track
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20071119065229.02135770@cae.wisc.edu>

I had someone ask a question about the short track, and as I have not been 
to the Salt in several years, I was not sure of the answer, what is the 
procedure for a small engined bike or car, something that only runs around 
110 top speed? still a 2 mile run to the timed mile. or is there a shorter 
distance for those who do not need a long run up? thanks drive carefully.

           John Robinson, Mechanician
   Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin
                 1513 University Ave.
                  Madison, Wi. 53706
                     608-262-3606
            Current World Land Speed Record Holder
                  Bonneville Salt Flats
                      H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt
                  144.396 MPH set 2000
         Antarctic Ice Driller 2002-03
         Greenland Ice Driller 2006 

From kturk at ala.net  Mon Nov 19 06:06:29 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:06:29 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Got quit?
Message-ID: <015601c82aad$028e2d00$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Not telling anyone else to do this... trust me ... it's the hardest thing I've
ever done but just wanted you guys to know it was still working...  Had to
quit taking the Chantix pills due to some side effects... but they got me
started down this road and to date I've not had any nicotine of any kind in
over 40 days...

Please don't send anything to the list... you can reply to me personally,  I
just don't want to pester the list with this junk...

K

From jon at infodestruction.com  Mon Nov 19 06:46:19 2007
From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:46:19 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] short track
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20071119065229.02135770@cae.wisc.edu>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20071119065229.02135770@cae.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <A51268D0-225A-4B1A-961A-E86C0D82DED0@infodestruction.com>

In the last few years a "short short" course was tried -- one mile to  
the first light, then one at the two, one at the 2 1/4, and one at  
the three.  A racer could run the short-short if he wanted a test and  
tune run, for instance, or if he knew he'd only go 100 or thereabouts  
- and clear the course more quickly for the next vehicle in line.



                 Jon Wennerberg
Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
              Marquette, Michigan
              (that's 'way up north)




On Nov 19, 2007, at 7:55 AM, john robinson wrote:

I had someone ask a question about the short track, and as I have not  
been
to the Salt in several years, I was not sure of the answer, what is the
procedure for a small engined bike or car, something that only runs  
around
110 top speed? still a 2 mile run to the timed mile. or is there a  
shorter
distance for those who do not need a long run up? thanks drive  
carefully.

            John Robinson, Mechanician
    Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin
                  1513 University Ave.
                   Madison, Wi. 53706
                      608-262-3606
             Current World Land Speed Record Holder
                   Bonneville Salt Flats
                       H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt
                   144.396 MPH set 2000
          Antarctic Ice Driller 2002-03
          Greenland Ice Driller 2006

From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 19 07:22:29 2007
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:22:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] short track
In-Reply-To: <A51268D0-225A-4B1A-961A-E86C0D82DED0@infodestruction.com>
Message-ID: <993789.68099.qm@web52503.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

If available the "short, short" course can also be used for records.
   
  DW

Jon Wennerberg <jon at infodestruction.com> wrote:
  In the last few years a "short short" course was tried -- one mile to 
the first light, then one at the two, one at the 2 1/4, and one at 
the three. A racer could run the short-short if he wanted a test and 
tune run, for instance, or if he knew he'd only go 100 or thereabouts 
- and clear the course more quickly for the next vehicle in line.



Jon Wennerberg
Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
Marquette, Michigan
(that's 'way up north)




On Nov 19, 2007, at 7:55 AM, john robinson wrote:

I had someone ask a question about the short track, and as I have not 
been
to the Salt in several years, I was not sure of the answer, what is the
procedure for a small engined bike or car, something that only runs 
around
110 top speed? still a 2 mile run to the timed mile. or is there a 
shorter
distance for those who do not need a long run up? thanks drive 
carefully.

John Robinson, Mechanician
Mechanical Engineering University of Wisconsin
1513 University Ave.
Madison, Wi. 53706
608-262-3606
Current World Land Speed Record Holder
Bonneville Salt Flats
H/GCC 92 cu.in. 1980 Dodge Colt
144.396 MPH set 2000
Antarctic Ice Driller 2002-03
Greenland Ice Driller 2006
_______________________________________________
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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Mon Nov 19 08:31:34 2007
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:31:34 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] Got quit?
References: <015601c82aad$028e2d00$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <4741AC56.000001.03456@TOM>

Keith,

Congratulations!  You a have it whipped. Just don't yield to the curiosity
of how they would taste I did that the first time I quit. After about thirty
days, I bought a pack which took about a week to smoke, then the first thing
I knew, I was back to two packs a day. I was better prepared the next I time
I quit.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Mon Nov 19 11:23:21 2007
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:23:21 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] New DVD movie set
Message-ID: <4741D48F.000006.03456@TOM>

Hello to all,

I have found that I have been sending e-mail to the wrong landspeed address.
I suspect that this did not make it to you and I think many of you would be
interested in the movie.

Scot Hamilton, (his father Charles was Teague's tuner for last several years
), has spent the last four years putting together a four-DVD Set of "hot
rodding" from its roots to present. I have had a small part in the material
for this and am impressed by the history that is presented. I would
recommend that you check www.dreamsoflegends.com for further info.

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From mactem at mebtel.net  Mon Nov 19 16:22:58 2007
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:22:58 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed]  Got quit?
Message-ID: <000e01c82b03$1fdd4430$0300a8c0@brightstar>

Keith,  After 8 years of not smoking I decided that one New Year's Eve I
could have a cigarette.  Inside of a month I was back up to a pack a
day.  It took me two years to quit the second time and it was a lot
harder than the first. Can't say how proud I am of you for quitting. 
David

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Mon Nov 19 19:16:17 2007
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:16:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR   Cosmologist Wanted...
In-Reply-To: <EF18D674-9E0A-445E-8D18-D83D422169C1@comcast.net>
References: <4740AE7A.7050104@mayfco.com> <4740B619.9010600@sbcglobal.net>
	<EF18D674-9E0A-445E-8D18-D83D422169C1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <16D38C7B89504B04AAAD1F3469F5CDE4@LMS>

Wes,  If she went to Berkly----she prob. won't be familiar with the Right 
universe!!!
      Sparky
AA/_ L  2211
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wester Potter" <wester6935 at comcast.net> 

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Mon Nov 19 21:02:43 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:02:43 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Ol' Blue Hair surfaces
Message-ID: <2C062760-6FC0-47FB-8AD2-098EA21576B7@comcast.net>

Check out the article in the latest 0-60 magazine on the New Orleans  
Racing Team, JT Nesbitt and their "Stinkin Linkin" at World of Speed.   
Now JT's hair is slightly greying and he wears a blue bandanna.

Wes

From dlodom at charter.net  Tue Nov 20 14:22:20 2007
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:22:20 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Scrape prices.... Kind of LSR
Message-ID: <4743500C.5050602@charter.net>

Good time to clean out the shop. Iron price is $.03 a pound and Aluminum 
is $.50 a pound for clean stuff. Thats around here anyway. Extra 
Christmas money for the new race parts?
Doug Odom in big ditch cleaning out the shop again.

From karhu at california.com  Tue Nov 20 14:39:37 2007
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:39:37 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Scrape prices.... Kind of LSR
References: <4743500C.5050602@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c82bbd$d9a658b0$6801a8c0@BennsDesktop>

I've heard "heavy, clean" steel (no sheetstock or "dirty" metal) is getting 
about $250/ton ($0.12 per pound) 'round these parts.  I guess China is using 
up all the metal they can get, in particular steel and copper.
Benn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DougOdom" <dlodom at charter.net>
To: "Landspeed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Scrape prices.... Kind of LSR


> Good time to clean out the shop. Iron price is $.03 a pound and Aluminum
> is $.50 a pound for clean stuff. Thats around here anyway. Extra
> Christmas money for the new race parts?
> Doug Odom in big ditch cleaning out the shop again.
> _______________________________________________
> karhu at california.com
>
> Land-speed mailing list
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed 

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Tue Nov 20 15:10:49 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:10:49 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Scrape prices.... Kind of LSR
In-Reply-To: <000d01c82bbd$d9a658b0$6801a8c0@BennsDesktop>
References: <4743500C.5050602@charter.net>
	<000d01c82bbd$d9a658b0$6801a8c0@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <57F2D6C3-A6F4-438A-B83A-ADEE29812E8A@comcast.net>

When they rebuilt I-15 before the 2000 Winter Olympics, a local scrap  
dealer, Sandy Pepper at Utah Barrel, bid on the steel girders they  
removed to build the longer bridges.  His bid wasn't for the steel but  
a price for the freeway builders to pay him to take the scrap steel  
away and remove the lead based paint.  When they talk about "clean"  
scrap, there's a reason today.  Sandy did just fine on the deal.

Wes

On Nov 20, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Benn wrote:

> I've heard "heavy, clean" steel (no sheetstock or "dirty" metal) is  
> getting
> about $250/ton ($0.12 per pound) 'round these parts.  I guess China  
> is using
> up all the metal they can get, in particular steel and copper.
> Benn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DougOdom" <dlodom at charter.net>
> To: "Landspeed List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 1:22 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Scrape prices.... Kind of LSR
>
>
>> Good time to clean out the shop. Iron price is $.03 a pound and  
>> Aluminum
>> is $.50 a pound for clean stuff. Thats around here anyway. Extra
>> Christmas money for the new race parts?
>> Doug Odom in big ditch cleaning out the shop again.
>> _______________________________________________
>> karhu at california.com
>>
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>>
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
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>
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From jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 20 16:31:07 2007
From: jthorn65 at sbcglobal.net (John Thornton)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:31:07 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Scrape prices.... Kind of LSR
In-Reply-To: <000d01c82bbd$d9a658b0$6801a8c0@BennsDesktop>
References: <4743500C.5050602@charter.net>
	<000d01c82bbd$d9a658b0$6801a8c0@BennsDesktop>
Message-ID: <47436E3B.6020005@sbcglobal.net>

Benn wrote:
> I've heard "heavy, clean" steel (no sheetstock or "dirty" metal) is getting 
> about $250/ton ($0.12 per pound) 'round these parts.  I guess China is using 
> up all the metal they can get, in particular steel and copper.
> Benn
>   


Shouldn't that be the U.S is using all that steel?
Over 80% of Chinese manufacturing is sent to the U.S.
They use most of the steel, lumber etc. to make things to send to the U.S.
Only a small percentage is for their own consumption.

John Thornton

From jimwebb at nutsracing.com  Wed Nov 21 05:27:31 2007
From: jimwebb at nutsracing.com (Jim Webb)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:27:31 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Happy Thanksgiving to all - no LSR
Message-ID: <20071121122814.584D11879F9@autox.team.net>

We're hitting the road this AM to have Thanksgiving at our daughter's house
in Fort Worth. What a nice change it is to visit instead of host! But the
good thing is that we'll all be together.

I hope each and every one of you have a safe and happy Thanksgiving!

 

Jim Webb

Choc Full o' Nuts

A/PP B/PP ?/FL

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Wed Nov 21 07:08:46 2007
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:08:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] red hat potential in luxury
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D1682D@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Modified Maybach good for 200mph+ ????



http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=17222



Safe holidays to all!!!!





David in Durango

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Nov 21 08:20:29 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:20:29 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Save the Salt
Message-ID: <48D811C9-D35E-48B4-A389-5BED7566CDD3@comcast.net>

Ron Christensen's photo of the infamous trench on the salt is featured  
just inside the back cover on the latest Hot Rod magazine.  It's a  
great tie in with an address for contributions for the Save the Salt  
fund.  Congratulations to HRM for their positive twist on the story.

Wes

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Wed Nov 21 16:14:59 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:14:59 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Estate Planning - non LSR
Message-ID: <284ACD6E-CF14-43C0-B783-FE857C68E272@comcast.net>

When Dan found out he was going to inherit a fortune when his sickly  
father
died, he decided he needed a woman to enjoy it with.

So, one evening he went to a singles bar where he spotted the most  
beautiful
woman he had ever seen.  Her natural beauty took his breath away.  "I  
may
look like just an ordinary man," he said as he walked up to her, "but in
just a few years, my father will die, and I'll inherit 20 million  
dollars."

Impressed, the woman went home with him  that evening and, three days  
later
she became his stepmother.

Women are so much better at estate planning than men.

From Saltracer54 at aol.com  Thu Nov 22 06:42:35 2007
From: Saltracer54 at aol.com (Saltracer54 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:42:35 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <c82.1c4d58b4.3476e14b@aol.com>

Hello  list,I am a long time lurker on here but would like to say lets  all 
keep our troops and vets in our prayers on this day of thanks. Their  sacrifice 
cannot be repaid. Thank you to all who have served on this list. Gary  Ferstl
 



**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest 
products.
(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Thu Nov 22 06:50:25 2007
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 06:50:25 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving-NON LSR
Message-ID: <49D4B4914CFF4DF6A456260A01036E20@LMS>

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
I am Thankfull for my family and friends---I am especially Thankfull for the
parents of our volunteer armed service people who reared their children with a
respect and love of our country, our laws, and our way of life-- that they are
wiling to sever in our armed services in the defense of our way of life!

I am gratefull, and try to always tell all who are serving and all who have
served--I appreciate and honor your service---THANKS TO ALL WHO SERVE!!!!!!!!
      Sparky
AA/_ L  2211

From kturk at ala.net  Thu Nov 22 07:04:10 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:04:10 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving-NON LSR
References: <49D4B4914CFF4DF6A456260A01036E20@LMS>
Message-ID: <029e01c82d10$8f5e0790$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Think I'll drop by and See Harry Next door....

Totally agree Sparky....

Enjoy today my friends...

K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sparky" <sparky.2211 at cox.net>
To: "AA List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:50 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving-NON LSR


> Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
> I am Thankfull for my family and friends---I am especially Thankfull for 
> the
> parents of our volunteer armed service people who reared their children 
> with a
> respect and love of our country, our laws, and our way of life-- that they 
> are
> wiling to sever in our armed services in the defense of our way of life!
>
> I am gratefull, and try to always tell all who are serving and all who 
> have
> served--I appreciate and honor your service---THANKS TO ALL WHO 
> SERVE!!!!!!!!
>      Sparky
> AA/_ L  2211
> _______________________________________________
> kturk at adelphia.net
>
> Land-speed mailing list
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Thu Nov 22 07:29:34 2007
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:29:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving
References: <c82.1c4d58b4.3476e14b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c82d14$1b2cdd20$6401a8c0@Glens>

I happy and safe thanksgiving to all. Our troops that allow this to happen 
every year deserve a special thanks as do their families.
Glen & Carol
UTAH
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Saltracer54 at aol.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:42 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving


> Hello  list,I am a long time lurker on here but would like to say lets 
> all
> keep our troops and vets in our prayers on this day of thanks. Their 
> sacrifice
> cannot be repaid. Thank you to all who have served on this list. Gary 
> Ferstl
>
>
>
>
> **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's 
> hottest
> products.
> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)
> _______________________________________________
> speedtimer at beyondbb.com
>
> Land-speed mailing list
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 08:33:13 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:33:13 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <001c01c82d14$1b2cdd20$6401a8c0@Glens>
References: <c82.1c4d58b4.3476e14b@aol.com>
	<001c01c82d14$1b2cdd20$6401a8c0@Glens>
Message-ID: <D5702AB8-AE1E-4678-8829-54F14C4185FB@comcast.net>

I'll second that Glen.  We're happy to have my brother home safe
from Afghanistan and retired from the Air Force Reserves after 31
years of service.  The tributes paid to him on his retirement just
make us all more proud of his quality of dedication.  At the same
time we are concerned for his son who is still in Iraq.  The bond
with those in your team is so strong while you are in the military
but severed so completely with a return to civilian life that we
forget how much we depended on them for our lives.  It's good
to have a day to think about it and be grateful for everything we
have.
Wes

On Nov 22, 2007, at 7:29 AM, Glen Barrett wrote:

> I happy and safe thanksgiving to all. Our troops that allow this to  
> happen
> every year deserve a special thanks as do their families.
> Glen & Carol
> UTAH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Saltracer54 at aol.com>
> To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:42 AM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving
>
>
>> Hello  list,I am a long time lurker on here but would like to say  
>> lets
>> all
>> keep our troops and vets in our prayers on this day of thanks. Their
>> sacrifice
>> cannot be repaid. Thank you to all who have served on this list. Gary
>> Ferstl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's
>> hottest
>> products.
>> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001 
>> )
>> _______________________________________________
>> speedtimer at beyondbb.com
>>
>> Land-speed mailing list
>>
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
> _______________________________________________
> wester6935 at comcast.net
>
> Land-speed mailing list
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Thu Nov 22 09:03:44 2007
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:03:44 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <c82.1c4d58b4.3476e14b@aol.com>
References: <c82.1c4d58b4.3476e14b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ACD31AD5E77242D3A71A367D1876896E@LMS>

Gary---
Welcome---no need to Lurk---thanks for speaking out---again welcome!!!!!!!


      Sparky
AA/_ L  2211
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Saltracer54 at aol.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:42 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving


> Hello  list,I am a long time lurker on here but would like to say lets 
> all
> keep our troops and vets in our prayers on this day of thanks. Their 
> sacrifice
> cannot be repaid. Thank you to all who have served on this list. Gary 
> Ferstl

From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Nov 22 09:21:50 2007
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:21:50 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving-NON LSR
In-Reply-To: <49D4B4914CFF4DF6A456260A01036E20@LMS>
References: <49D4B4914CFF4DF6A456260A01036E20@LMS>
Message-ID: <049001c82d23$c9a7c5e0$0200a8c0@DBTech>

I'll second that, Sparky.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Sparky
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:50 AM
To: AA List
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving-NON LSR

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
I am Thankfull for my family and friends---I am especially Thankfull for the
parents of our volunteer armed service people who reared their children with
a
respect and love of our country, our laws, and our way of life-- that they
are
wiling to sever in our armed services in the defense of our way of life!

I am gratefull, and try to always tell all who are serving and all who have
served--I appreciate and honor your service---THANKS TO ALL WHO
SERVE!!!!!!!!
      Sparky
AA/_ L  2211
_______________________________________________
neil at dbelltech.com

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Nov 22 09:26:54 2007
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:26:54 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <20071122162732.9F9FB187B11@autox.team.net>

THANK YOU FROM US TOO!!!! A WWII veteran pilot and his aviation 
mechanic wife (my uncle and aunt) will join us for dinner this PM. We 
hope for a good day for all.
Joyce and Skip Higginbotham





At 07:33 AM 11/22/2007, you wrote:
>I'll second that Glen.  We're happy to have my brother home safe
>from Afghanistan and retired from the Air Force Reserves after 31
>years of service.  The tributes paid to him on his retirement just
>make us all more proud of his quality of dedication.  At the same
>time we are concerned for his son who is still in Iraq.  The bond
>with those in your team is so strong while you are in the military
>but severed so completely with a return to civilian life that we
>forget how much we depended on them for our lives.  It's good
>to have a day to think about it and be grateful for everything we
>have.
>Wes
>
>On Nov 22, 2007, at 7:29 AM, Glen Barrett wrote:
>
> > I happy and safe thanksgiving to all. Our troops that allow this to
> > happen
> > every year deserve a special thanks as do their families.
> > Glen & Carol
> > UTAH
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Saltracer54 at aol.com>
> > To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:42 AM
> > Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving
> >
> >
> >> Hello  list,I am a long time lurker on here but would like to say
> >> lets
> >> all
> >> keep our troops and vets in our prayers on this day of thanks. Their
> >> sacrifice
> >> cannot be repaid. Thank you to all who have served on this list. Gary
> >> Ferstl

From ifixmgs at cox.net  Fri Nov 23 06:23:43 2007
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 8:23:43 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <c82.1c4d58b4.3476e14b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20071123082343.436Y3.60121.root@eastrmwml17.mgt.cox.net>

If you live near a military base and have the opportunity next Thanksgiving (or anytime during the year) , think about inviting  a service man or woman into your home  to show them that they are truly appreciated.  We live just down the road from a tiny joint service base that  has about 50   marines fresh out of basic. It's 12 miles from the nearest fast food joint and they're only allowed off base on weekends, and holidays. On Thanksgiving or Christmas,  you don't have to be in Baghdad to be  lonesome.   Every base has a community   liaison  or public affairs office that can set it up.   We own a horse ranch, and have a decent shop, and we really love it when an 19 year old cowboy/cowgirl  from Oklahoma, or a gearhead from Kansas is in the mix -   take a couple pictures to give these great kids, and stick some in a card thanking their families   for such great kids.  It gave us a whole new outlook on giving thanks.   
Mark C 


---- Saltracer54 at aol.com wrote: 
> Hello  list,I am a long time lurker on here but would like to say lets  all 
> keep our troops and vets in our prayers on this day of thanks. Their  sacrifice 
> cannot be repaid. Thank you to all who have served on this list. Gary  Ferstl
>  
> 
> 
> 
> **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest 
> products.
> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)
> _______________________________________________
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From jon at infodestruction.com  Fri Nov 23 07:12:11 2007
From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:12:11 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <20071123082343.436Y3.60121.root@eastrmwml17.mgt.cox.net>
References: <20071123082343.436Y3.60121.root@eastrmwml17.mgt.cox.net>
Message-ID: <E36F5EC0-C07A-4685-A51F-FF70DCCEE738@infodestruction.com>

On Nov 23, 2007, at 8:23 AM, <ifixmgs at cox.net> wrote:

If you have the opportunity next Thanksgiving (or anytime during the  
year)
Mark C




I've told this story before, but among all these notes -- it's worth  
repeating, so that maybe one or two of you will give it a try.  A few  
years ago I went to our local home for veterans -- one of two in  
Michigan, run by the Michigan Dept of Military Affairs -- and offered  
to volunteer.  They need lots of folks -- to do everything from sit  
with the oldsters to take 'em (and help 'em) to bingo, and on and  
on.  I go to the day room Monday and Thursday mornings and read to  
whomever is there.  Usually there are 5-10 fellows, most in  
wheelchairs, most nodding out -- but there's just enough awareness  
among the group that I get a smile once in a while in the funny  
parts, a question about what book I'm reading (usually old westerns),  
and so on.  The enjoy it, and I get a few "real" benefits -- free flu  
shot every year, and a nice certificate saying I'm a good guy for  
volunteering.

I say thanks all year long.  Maybe there's a way that you could do  
something like this, too.

                 Jon Wennerberg
Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
              Marquette, Michigan
              (that's 'way up north)

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri Nov 23 10:01:24 2007
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:01:24 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR
Message-ID: <001c01c82df2$7b628990$6401a8c0@Glens>

Hope everyone got their fill of turkey yesterday and had a great day with
friends and kin folk. My wife and I spent the day at home and had a small
turkey. We were invited out but I still have a little trouble getting around
after the knee surgery. Mostly curbs and stairs. Still hard to balance when
the knee wont bend and support the weight.

Looking forward to the next holiday ( Christmas) We again are staying home and
one of our daughters and grandson may come up for a couple of days. Sure looks
like everyone is planning on next season already. A few new cars and bikes in
the works.

Anyway how about a update on what everyone is doing and planning. We want to
know.

Glen

From adin at frontier.net  Fri Nov 23 11:02:21 2007
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:02:21 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] LSR dreams/updates
References: <001c01c82df2$7b628990$6401a8c0@Glens>
Message-ID: <005001c82dfa$fee9d3b0$6501a8c0@ZTxp>

Nice to hear Glen is working towards normal!

I continue to care for my Mother 8-16 hours a day.

I am collecting parts for the next salt project and hope to "lever" some 
time in the spring to at least get the truck streetable.  Some 130 runs in 
September will be the goal - it would give me some idea if the dang thing 
even has a hope in heck of getting up to speed.

Found a "local" machine shop that can do some rear end work (50 miles isn't 
so bad, is it?).  OUr local machine shop of choice was cut short last winter 
when the main guy broke his neck snow-mobiling.  Tragic.

Best to all, first snow day here "in the mountains above Durango" [1]

be safe - there are records to be attacked in 2008!

David in Durango


[1] Once would have to live in a box by the river to NOT live "in the 
mountains above Durango"  - but that's what the artsy types claim.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR


> Hope everyone got their fill of turkey yesterday and had a great day with
> friends and kin folk. My wife and I spent the day at home and had a small
> turkey. We were invited out but I still have a little trouble getting 
> around
> after the knee surgery. Mostly curbs and stairs. Still hard to balance 
> when
> the knee wont bend and support the weight.
>
> Looking forward to the next holiday ( Christmas) We again are staying home 
> and
> one of our daughters and grandson may come up for a couple of days. Sure 
> looks
> like everyone is planning on next season already. A few new cars and bikes 
> in
> the works.
>
> Anyway how about a update on what everyone is doing and planning. We want 
> to
> know.
>
> Glen
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
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From adin at frontier.net  Fri Nov 23 14:06:46 2007
From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:06:46 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] just in time for christmas?
Message-ID: <001701c82e14$c2109770$6501a8c0@ZTxp>

http://www.grandprixlegends.com/DieCastSite/D%5FCollectibles%5FI%5FSpeedRecor
ds%28DieCast%29/

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 23 19:42:26 2007
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:42:26 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <E36F5EC0-C07A-4685-A51F-FF70DCCEE738@infodestruction.com>
References: <20071123082343.436Y3.60121.root@eastrmwml17.mgt.cox.net>
	<E36F5EC0-C07A-4685-A51F-FF70DCCEE738@infodestruction.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W153E44374D3531D2E42679D97B0@phx.gbl>

  Jon;  I sometimes take  "Buster, the Bodacous Barkless Beer-swilling Border
Collie" ...

... to the NY State Veterans Home 25 miles N. of me, on occasion -though with
my life this year it's been a while...


  thanks for the mental ' 'shove'  there Jon.  I'll go again soon...

   And Happy Holidays to ya

   cheers, "Dirt Track Doug"  in exile in So. New York,

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////

> From: jon at infodestruction.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:12:11 -0500
> To: ifixmgs at cox.net
> CC: land-speed at autox.team.net; Saltracer54 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Thanksgiving
>
> On Nov 23, 2007, at 8:23 AM, <ifixmgs at cox.net> wrote:
>
> If you have the opportunity next Thanksgiving (or anytime during the
> year)

> Mark C
>
>
>
>
> I've told this story before, but among all these notes -- it's worth
> repeating, so that maybe one or two of you will give it a try.  A few
> years ago I went to our local home for veterans -- one of two in
> Michigan, run by the Michigan Dept of Military Affairs -- and offered
> to volunteer.  They need lots of folks -- to do everything from sit
> with the oldsters to take 'em (and help 'em) to bingo, and on and
> on.  I go to the day room Monday and Thursday mornings and read to
> whomever is there.  Usually there are 5-10 fellows, most in
> wheelchairs, most nodding out -- but there's just enough awareness
> among the group that I get a smile once in a while in the funny
> parts, a question about what book I'm reading (usually old westerns),
> and so on.  The enjoy it, and I get a few "real" benefits -- free flu
> shot every year, and a nice certificate saying I'm a good guy for
> volunteering.
>
> I say thanks all year long.  Maybe there's a way that you could do
> something like this, too.
>
>                  Jon Wennerberg
> Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
>               Marquette, Michigan
>               (that's 'way up north)
> _______________________________________________
> boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com
>
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>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Sat Nov 24 14:52:17 2007
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:52:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Doins
Message-ID: <85F5561AE6154B0395404453217513ED@LMS>

Glen--- Hope the rehab continues to go well---I dont get to think about
anything but mostly Honey DO's untill after the holidays---today  fixed the
kitchen cabinets and repaired an antique table---working despertly to keep
from having to remodel the Bath room of all places and
things---lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Sparky
AA/_ L  2211

From sardatech at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 07:10:21 2007
From: sardatech at yahoo.com (tom sarda)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:10:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] cam
Message-ID: <3773.81126.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

hello everyone,
I'm trying to select a cam for a 383 I'm building and
when I look at the cam charts I notice a break between
the '57 to '87 and the '87 and up. The block i have is
an'87 to '95. What's the difference?
Thanks, Tom


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From ddahlgren at snet.net  Sun Nov 25 08:16:59 2007
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:16:59 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] cam + safety kleen tank
In-Reply-To: <3773.81126.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401c82f76$3a13ed50$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405>

If memory serves me right the late model block has a thrust plate held
on with two bolts and the the cam gear goes over that. They are usually
hydraulic roller cams.

On another note does anyone here have a safety kleen tank I bought one
oputright and have one part left over and can not for the life of me see
where it goes. It is a screen with 3 tabs for what look like 4-32
screws.. Every place I try to install it something else does not fit
afterwards..LOL it is about 5 or 6 inches in diameter and the tabs are
bent in a U shape..
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of tom sarda
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:10 AM
To: land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: [Land-speed] cam


hello everyone,
I'm trying to select a cam for a 383 I'm building and
when I look at the cam charts I notice a break between
the '57 to '87 and the '87 and up. The block i have is
an'87 to '95. What's the difference?
Thanks, Tom


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From dlodom at charter.net  Sun Nov 25 08:18:30 2007
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:18:30 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] cam
In-Reply-To: <3773.81126.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <3773.81126.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47499246.10708@charter.net>

tom sarda wrote:

>hello everyone,
>I'm trying to select a cam for a 383 I'm building and
>when I look at the cam charts I notice a break between
>the '57 to '87 and the '87 and up. The block i have is
>an'87 to '95. What's the difference?
>Thanks, Tom
>
>
>Tom, The cranks are different ( one piece rear main seal or two piece) but not the cam bearings.
>  
>
Doug in big ditch

From bob at arrowracing.org  Mon Nov 26 13:58:48 2007
From: bob at arrowracing.org (Bob Williams)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:58:48 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] looking for motorcycle rider
Message-ID: <000c01c8306f$2485a2e0$c07ba8c0@dell01>

200 MPH Plus Morotcycle Streamliner Looking for Rider
August 2008
Speed Week-Bonneville Salt Flats
Raciing Experience essential
Financial participation alos essential
Liability/Waiver/Etc...

Contact    Bob at arrowracing.org

From john.szalay at att.net  Wed Nov 28 12:30:10 2007
From: john.szalay at att.net (John Szalay)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:30:10 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello
Message-ID: <112820071930.23240.474DC1C20001068A00005AC822230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E040E969CD202080106@att.net>

No updates for several days, are we up ?
I realize that this is the busy working in the garage season..

From fosterap at flash.net  Wed Nov 28 13:07:06 2007
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:07:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Hello
In-Reply-To: <112820071930.23240.474DC1C20001068A00005AC822230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E040E969CD202080106@att.net>
Message-ID: <625758.14574.qm@web80610.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We're still up, John.
   
  Jerry in Dallas
  Building new garage-shop..........
  

John Szalay <john.szalay at att.net> wrote:
  No updates for several days, are we up ?
I realize that this is the busy working in the garage season..
_______________________________________________
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From joetimney at dol.net  Wed Nov 28 14:57:15 2007
From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:57:15 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
Message-ID: <474DE43B.7040900@dol.net>

Well, I've finally went and done it!!! I got down on my knees and 
purposed to Donna!!!  Of course Donna had to help me back up to the 
chair.  We are planning on running away in December to Florida and 
getting married on a dock overlooking the Saint Lucie River in Stuart.

Yes...I'm happy!!!

joe

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Wed Nov 28 15:08:27 2007
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:08:27 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
In-Reply-To: <474DE43B.7040900@dol.net>
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D1684A@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

I guess we are with you!  Congratulations.

Yes...I'm happy!!!

joe
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From ed at vetteracing.com  Wed Nov 28 15:12:12 2007
From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:12:12 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
Message-ID: <W87854513399931196287932@webmail2>

Way to go Joe! Best wishes to both of you from Ed & Linda!

Ed Van Scoy
#128 B/GT Corvette
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Timney [mailto:joetimney at dol.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 02:57 PM
>To: ECTALSR at yahoo.com, 'LSR LIST'
>Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
>
>Well, I've finally went and done it!!! I got down on my knees and 
>purposed to Donna!!! Of course Donna had to help me back up to the 
>chair. We are planning on running away in December to Florida and 
>getting married on a dock overlooking the Saint Lucie River in Stuart.
>
>Yes...I'm happy!!!
>
>joe
>_______________________________________________
>ed at vetteracing.com
>
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>
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From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com  Wed Nov 28 15:21:04 2007
From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:21:04 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
In-Reply-To: <474DE43B.7040900@dol.net>
Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB2099FB8A9@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com>

Congratulations to you both, Paula and I send our best wishes...('bout
damn time).

Mike Meierle
#847 F/P/MP
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinders/Sidewinders/ECTA
ECTA Record Holder

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Wed Nov 28 15:48:15 2007
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:48:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
In-Reply-To: <474DE43B.7040900@dol.net>
References: <474DE43B.7040900@dol.net>
Message-ID: <9256D13EDC244D4C9C6681953B43CBE2@LMS>

Wow----way to go Joe---been to Stewert and have sailed across Fla on the St. 
Lucie---in a a previous life lol!!!!! Congratulations from Linda and 
I---best wishes to both of you!!!!!!!!!!

      Sparky
AA/_ L  2211
Grear Grinder
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Timney" <joetimney at dol.net>
To: <ECTALSR at yahoo.com>; "LSR LIST" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:57 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware

From mactem at mebtel.net  Wed Nov 28 15:59:51 2007
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:59:51 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
Message-ID: <00df01c83212$6273b750$0300a8c0@brightstar>

Yes Joe, I'm happy too... For both of you.  
David

From kturk at ala.net  Wed Nov 28 16:28:36 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:28:36 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
References: <W87854513399931196287932@webmail2>
Message-ID: <00f801c83216$67d54ac0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Good for the both of you...

K

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Wed Nov 28 16:48:38 2007
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:48:38 EST
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
Message-ID: <caa.1e8eec8b.347f5856@aol.com>

>From my brief acquaintance with you both, I think a lot of you  two and 
believe there are no two worthier for each other. Congratulations !!!  We'll have a 
Beer shower at Maxton  April 5/6 next.
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Wed Nov 28 16:51:37 2007
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:51:37 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
References: <W87854513399931196287932@webmail2>
Message-ID: <005f01c83219$a13adde0$6401a8c0@Glens>

Joe and Donna called me last week with the good news, we talked about an 
hour. We are very happy for them and wish them a life of happiness.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Van Scoy" <ed at vetteracing.com>
To: "Joe Timney" <joetimney at dol.net>; <ECTALSR at yahoo.com>; "LSR LIST" 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware


> Way to go Joe! Best wishes to both of you from Ed & Linda!
>
> Ed Van Scoy
> #128 B/GT Corvette
> SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Joe Timney [mailto:joetimney at dol.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 02:57 PM
>>To: ECTALSR at yahoo.com, 'LSR LIST'
>>Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
>>
>>Well, I've finally went and done it!!! I got down on my knees and
>>purposed to Donna!!! Of course Donna had to help me back up to the
>>chair. We are planning on running away in December to Florida and
>>getting married on a dock overlooking the Saint Lucie River in Stuart.
>>
>>Yes...I'm happy!!!
>>
>>joe
>>_______________________________________________
>>ed at vetteracing.com
>>
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>>
>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
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From john.szalay at att.net  Wed Nov 28 17:12:09 2007
From: john.szalay at att.net (John Szalay)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:12:09 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
Message-ID: <112920070012.27975.474E03D9000BAF1B00006D4722243322829B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E040E969CD202080106@att.net>

Congrats..  

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Joe Timney <joetimney at dol.net>
>
> Well, I've finally went and done it!!! I got down on my knees and 
> purposed to Donna!!!  Of course Donna had to help me back up to the 
> chair.  We are planning on running away in December to Florida and 
> getting married on a dock overlooking the Saint Lucie River in Stuart.
> 
> Yes...I'm happy!!!
> 
> joe
> _______________________________________________

From ecpurinton at wildblue.net  Wed Nov 28 19:02:39 2007
From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:02:39 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Non-LSR but good news from Delaware
Message-ID: <474E1DBF.2070400@wildblue.net>

     Valerie and I send our congratulations to both of you!  Wishing you 
many good years together.  Looking forward to being able to deliver the 
message again in person next April.

                          Ed Purinton

                          on the ridge in the territories of Western Mass.

From saltfevr at q.com  Wed Nov 28 20:21:43 2007
From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:21:43 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
In-Reply-To: <474DE43B.7040900@dol.net>
References: <474DE43B.7040900@dol.net>
Message-ID: <BAY122-W1BF55C18556FC5742778EC9700@phx.gbl>

Cathy & I wish you and Donna Best Wishes and Many Happy Years Together!!
Bravo.. A toast!Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:57:15 -0500>
From: joetimney at dol.net> To: ECTALSR at yahoo.com; land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware> > Well, I've
finally went and done it!!! I got down on my knees and > purposed to Donna!!!
Of course Donna had to help me back up to the > chair. We are planning on
running away in December to Florida and > getting married on a dock
overlooking the Saint Lucie River in Stuart.> > Yes...I'm happy!!!> > joe>
_______________________________________________> saltfevr at q.com> > Land-speed
mailing list> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From lsrvette at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 29 05:57:29 2007
From: lsrvette at yahoo.com (John Staiger)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:57:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
Message-ID: <712490.50158.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Joe; Wendy and I wish you all the best!  May you both be happy for ever and ever.

John S
569


----- Original Message ----
From: joetimney at dol.net> To: ECTALSR at yahoo.com; land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware> > Well, I've
finally went and done it!!! I got down on my knees and > purposed to Donna!!!
Of course Donna had to help me back up to the > chair. We are planning on
running away in December to Florida and > getting married on a dock
overlooking the Saint Lucie River in Stuart.> > Yes...I'm happy!!!> > joe>
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From dwarner230 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 29 06:55:34 2007
From: dwarner230 at yahoo.com (dan warner)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:55:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
In-Reply-To: <474DE43B.7040900@dol.net>
Message-ID: <405172.29179.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Joe,
   
  Good choice. Joanie and I wish both of you the very best in the future.
   
  DW

Joe Timney <joetimney at dol.net> wrote:
  Well, I've finally went and done it!!! I got down on my knees and 
purposed to Donna!!! Of course Donna had to help me back up to the 
chair. We are planning on running away in December to Florida and 
getting married on a dock overlooking the Saint Lucie River in Stuart.

Yes...I'm happy!!!

joe
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From ifixmgs at cox.net  Thu Nov 29 07:02:29 2007
From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 9:02:29 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
In-Reply-To: <BAY122-W1BF55C18556FC5742778EC9700@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20071129090229.LRV4W.80764.root@eastrmwml01.mgt.cox.net>

Joe and Donna, 
   Congratulations,  and best wishes for a wonderful life together.     So, are you two registered at Summit or Jegs?
Mark C 
at the edge of the Great Dismal Swamp  



 I got down on my knees and > purposed to Donna!!!
> Of course Donna had to help me back up   

From jolylance at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 29 10:38:52 2007
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:38:52 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
References: <405172.29179.qm@web52512.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101c832ae$bd081160$2101a8c0@WinXP>

Congrats and best wishes

Joe & Lynne Lance

> Joe Timney <joetimney at dol.net> wrote:
>  Well, I've finally went and done it!!! I got down on my knees and 
> purposed to Donna!!! Of course Donna had to help me back up to the 
> chair. We are planning on running away in December to Florida and 
> getting married on a dock overlooking the Saint Lucie River in Stuart.
> 
> Yes...I'm happy!!!
> 
> joe

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Nov 29 16:42:30 2007
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:42:30 -0800
Subject: [Land-speed] Non- LSR but good news from Delaware
In-Reply-To: <474DE43B.7040900@dol.net>
References: <474DE43B.7040900@dol.net>
Message-ID: <20071129234308.ED946187A4F@autox.team.net>

Joe,
Please add our best wishes for a long and happy life together.
Skip and Joyce Higginbotham





At 01:57 PM 11/28/2007, Joe Timney wrote:
>Well, I've finally went and done it!!! I got down on my knees and
>purposed to Donna!!!  Of course Donna had to help me back up to the
>chair.  We are planning on running away in December to Florida and
>getting married on a dock overlooking the Saint Lucie River in Stuart.
>
>Yes...I'm happy!!!
>
>joe

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 29 18:35:47 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:35:47 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Car Door type
References: <BAY104-DAV199D73B53CE4070AD18859DF700@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D6F3A4AF-3E04-4235-ACDE-3CB792A92971@comcast.net>

Nice body work!

Wes

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "JAN O HYDE" <JANOHYDE at msn.com>
> Date: November 29, 2007 3:01:29 PM MST
> To: "AJ Carlson" <AJC66 at hotmail.com>, "Al Martin"  
> <bonz at xmission.com>, "Al Diem \(Al Diem\)" <tran-sil at earthlink.net>,  
> "Bob Volkert" <bennyape at cox.net>, "Doran Hiatt"  
> <darnlovely at msn.com>, "Dick Osborn" <osborn60 at msn.com>, "Ed  
> Dialogue" <ed at dialoguefamily.com>, "Jerry Floor" <jerry.floor at comcast.net 
> >, "Bud Pannier" <bpannier at sisna.com>, "Steve Cottrell" <stephencottrell77 at yahoo.com 
> >, "Wes Potter" <wes at saltflats.com>, "Rodger Selander" <selanders at comcast.net 
> >
> Subject: Car Door type
>
> JO
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:41 PM
> Subject: Car Door type
>
>
>
> Click here: Disappearing Car Door

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 29 19:27:39 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:27:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Try this link (non LSR)
Message-ID: <2AAAE963-7592-4CEF-8D24-2686F35E3C3F@comcast.net>

http://www.disappearing-car-door.com/#

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 29 21:32:20 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:32:20 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] This may have been sent before ... drag racing, not LSR
Message-ID: <A7B549B8-1EE3-4F1F-9B93-4F58F1D20A41@comcast.net>

For the guys from the south Los Angeles County area it's soomething  
you will remember well.

http://www.northernthunder.com/lastrace.html

From wester6935 at comcast.net  Fri Nov 30 23:51:08 2007
From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:51:08 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] non LSR What I want for Christmas.
Message-ID: <9F3A0797-5713-4910-BAB5-99F9A09A94DE@comcast.net>

PLEASE Santa!

I've really been very good!

I can pick it up at the factory!

Wes


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