From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jun  9 18:42:14 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:42:14 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Team.Net list changes
Message-ID: <466B48E6.1000207@bradakis.com>

In case you are wondering about that odd email welcoming you to a list
you already receive, I've switched land-speed at autox.team.net from
majordomo to mailman list management software.   Some things will be
different, some will be the same.  As before, if you want to send mail
to land-speed at autox.team.net you send mail to land-speed at autox.team.net
- you'd be surprised at how many folks can NOT figure that one out!
                                                                                        
 
With Mailman, managing your subscription should be more web friendly.
You can go to the web pages listed in the messages and muck about with
your settings. One major change is that there is now just the one list
land-speed at autox.team.net, the list land-speed-digest at autox.team.net no
longer exists. But this doesn't mean there is no digest format, it
just means that one doesn't need to unsubscribe from one list and
subscribe to the other just to switch formats. Go to the list pages,
log in, and select digest or non-digest format as you desire.
                                                                                        
 
Another handy option is the 'nomail' feature.  If you are going to be away
from your email for a while, you can set your membership to nomail, and
then back to regular delivery upon your return.  A bit easier than having
to unsubscribe and then subscribe again.
                                                                                        
 
A useful way to make use of the nomail feature is to enable submissions
from multiple addresses.  For example, one might want to subscribe
a-student at diploma.mill.edu as your main address.  But sometimes you
send mail from work, so you can subscribe busybee at monolith.com
and set the second address to nomail.  So messages you send from
either address will pass the membership test, but you won't get multiple
copies of each list message.
                                                                                        
 
RealSoonNow I'll have a web page that covers some more of the various
differences and features.
                                                                                        
 
mjb.

From zoombot at cox.net  Sat Jun  9 19:53:56 2007
From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 19:53:56 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Spammer, or?
Message-ID: <000b01c7ab02$34dde4b0$29486644@HomePC>

    List -

    Just got an email welcoming me to the Land Speed List, and reminding me of
a password I don't remember entering.
    Legit, or nothing to worry about?

    Thanks - Chris Pile aka aircap

From saltfevr at mail.sisna.com  Sat Jun  9 20:40:21 2007
From: saltfevr at mail.sisna.com (Tom Shannon)
Date: Sat,  9 Jun 2007 20:40:21 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Spammer, or?
Message-ID: <200706092040.AA2692743406@mail.sisna.com>

Chris;

I received the exact same email. Seems Mark is changing things?



Tom Shannon
Magna, Utah



---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Pile,Chris" <zoombot at cox.net>
Date:  Sat, 9 Jun 2007 19:53:56 -0600

>    List -
>
>    Just got an email welcoming me to the Land Speed List, and reminding me of
>a password I don't remember entering.
>    Legit, or nothing to worry about?
>
>    Thanks - Chris Pile aka aircap
>
>
 
 
_________________________________
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http://www.sisna.com/exclusive/ 

From mjb at autox.team.net  Sun Jun 10 00:34:33 2007
From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:34:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Sweet Sixteen
Message-ID: <20070610063433.8A50A187A34@autox.team.net>

Today was the British Field Day, put on by various car clubs
here in Salt Lake City, like the British Motor Club, the
Healey club, the Land Rover folks as well as some vintage
motorcycle groups.  A fun time, a pleasant way to spend
a few hours.  And this year was the 16th annual event, having
been started in 1991.

And 1991 was the year that the domain Team.Net was first put on the
air.  Sixteen years ago, when you had to explain to folks that the dot
was not silent.  Actually the lists, only two back in the beginning,
were going strong for a few years before the Team.Net domain went on
the air.

A lot has happened since then, some changes for the better, some not.
But one thing remains, the various mailing lists, web sites, FTP
archives, wiki and such are still being run by some old computer guy
on piles of creaky hardware in his basement.  That guy, of course, is
me.

There are out of pocket expenses incurred in keeping it all going.
Once or twice a year I make a request for donations to help cover the
costs of keeping it all going, or maybe a refreshing beverage from
an appreciative subscriber.  No big sales pitch, this is the only
message you'll get from me.  If you enjoy the services I put on the
net and have a few extra dollars, I'd appreciate a contribution, of
whatever dollar amount you feel comfortable with.  If you aren't in
a position to donate, don't worry about it.  If you are one of the
folks who has recently sent in something without prompting, go ahead
and smile smugly - you are off the hook.

Contribution details can be found at http://www.team.net/donate.html

Thanks,
mjb.

From kturk at ala.net  Sun Jun 10 10:21:56 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:21:56 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] El Mirage results?
Message-ID: <000a01c7ab7b$773704d0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Hmmm just thought I'd ask... that and how's the course?

K

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 10 13:30:18 2007
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:30:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Downforce vs Ballast Question
Message-ID: <212836.74193.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Which is better?  It would seem that if you add, say 500 pounds of ballast, it's a simple addition.  If you add a spoiler designed to add 500 pounds of downforce, then you are adding the effective weight, plus additional drag.  No?
   
  DickJ
  In East Texas 

 
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From v4gr at rcn.com  Sun Jun 10 13:56:12 2007
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:56:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Downforce vs Ballast Question
References: <212836.74193.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7ab99$65e5bf50$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Lift, or negative lift equals drag. Weight has to be accelerated. I think 
Dave D. had a lot to say about killing lift instead of adding downforce to 
achieve the desired result.   RF
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick J" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
To: "lsr list autox" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:30 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Downforce vs Ballast Question


> Which is better?  It would seem that if you add, say 500 pounds of 
> ballast, it's a simple addition.  If you add a spoiler designed to add 500 
> pounds of downforce, then you are adding the effective weight, plus 
> additional drag.  No?
>
>  DickJ
>  In East Texas

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Jun 10 15:19:42 2007
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:19:42 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Downforce vs Ballast Question
In-Reply-To: <212836.74193.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <212836.74193.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <466C6AEE.50303@wildblue.net>

Contrary to some myths, LSR,  as we do it is a standing start competition.
OK, Drag Race --- Standing Start - 4 mile or 2mile or 1.3...
Rick in Neb IV --- check his speed in the 2 1/4. It's *_awesome_* to me.
His skilled driving and excellent power to weight ratio makes that happen.

If the driver is having a hard time keeping it hooked up, then  tune the
motor for excellent throttle response or buy traction control.

Just my opinion,
Bryan



Dick J wrote:
> Which is better?  It would seem that if you add, say 500 pounds of ballast, it's a simple addition.  If you add a spoiler designed to add 500 pounds of downforce, then you are adding the effective weight, plus additional drag.  No?
>    
>   DickJ
>   In East Texas 

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Jun 10 16:24:23 2007
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:24:23 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Downforce vs Ballast Question
In-Reply-To: <212836.74193.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <212836.74193.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <015301c7abae$196bc1a0$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Dick;

Downforce comes at the expense of increased drag, a bad tradeoff in LSR but
in the old Can- Am series downforce was necessary to get good handling in
the corners. Weight was a penalty, reducing the acceleration out of the
corners. Those cars had lots of horsepower and the top speeds at most tracks
were not real high so the extra drag was not as important as the downforce
created by the rear wing and the front body shape. They were open cockpit
cars so they already had rather high drag, even without the rear wing.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dick J
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:30 PM
To: lsr list autox
Subject: [Land-speed] Downforce vs Ballast Question

Which is better?  It would seem that if you add, say 500 pounds of ballast,
it's a simple addition.  If you add a spoiler designed to add 500 pounds of
downforce, then you are adding the effective weight, plus additional drag.
No?
   
  DickJ
  In East Texas 

From Flowbench at aol.com  Sun Jun 10 17:42:27 2007
From: Flowbench at aol.com (Flowbench at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:42:27 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Downforce vs Ballast Question
Message-ID: <d47.b3014c3.339de663@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/10/2007 12:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
lsr_man at yahoo.com writes:

Which is  better?  It would seem that if you add, say 500 pounds of ballast, 
it's a  simple addition.  If you add a spoiler designed to add 500 pounds of  
downforce, then you are adding the effective weight, plus additional  drag.  
No?



Simple answer, yes... unless your still "significantly" accelerating  at the 
end of the timed mile. 
In 2000 our driver tried to "get with it" to get a good number. Well, he  
about looped it in 2nd gear, gathered it up and got going. We would normally run  
250-255 in the 1/4 at B-ville, this run had a 228 quarter speed. Ran 293 with 
a  303 terminal speed compared to our best ever of 301 with a 307 terminal. 
Me... I'd rather spend $75 for 500 pounds of lead than a spoiler any day, I  
still think ANY traction control SLOWS the car, it's your money, make your  
choice.
By the way, car #265 weighs over 5000 lbs.



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From Bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Sun Jun 10 18:10:49 2007
From: Bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (Bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:10:49 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Lead Ballast
Message-ID: <061120070010.17847.466C93090006D6F0000045B722007340769C0B019D9B0108970D0D01BD@comcast.net>

After watching a pal spin and then load the car back up onto the trailer immediately thereafter, I equipped my roadster for ballast. The local purveyor wanted $2+ per pound for lead. I checked ebay and bought 100# for $67, plus $20 for shipping. I could not imagine how the guy could send 100# of anything from Lousiana to Boston for $20, but he did by using two USPS Priority Mail boxes at $9 something for 50# each box.
It was fun watching the mailman deliver it, too!
I guess when mailtrucks are full they're still light.
I'm waiting for another 250# via the mail, due this week.  BJ

From saltfever at comcast.net  Sun Jun 10 18:37:54 2007
From: saltfever at comcast.net (3 liter)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:37:54 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Land-speed Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1181498401.19073.land-speed@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000001c7abc0$c00bd560$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Mark:
Have the archives been moved over? It seems they only hold the latest issue.
How do you search on a key word? If you select the SUBJECT field it appears
to list a default of some kind and will not accept a key word?  Thanks for
everything you are doing for us.  -Elon

-----Original Message-----
 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:00 AM
(Snip . . .)  In case you are wondering about that odd email welcoming you
to a list you already receive, I've switched land-speed at autox.team.net from
majordomo to mailman list management software.   Some things will be
different; some will be the same . . .

From neil at dbelltech.com  Sun Jun 10 18:44:49 2007
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:44:49 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Lead Ballast
In-Reply-To: <061120070010.17847.466C93090006D6F0000045B722007340769C0B019D9B0108970D0D01BD@comcast.net>
References: <061120070010.17847.466C93090006D6F0000045B722007340769C0B019D9B0108970D0D01BD@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <017b01c7abc1$b79fced0$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Bobby;

Depleted uranium is even heavier than lead but with its price &
availability, perish the thought!

Regards, Neil  Tucson AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Bobbyhotrods at comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:11 PM
To: Landspeed
Subject: [Land-speed] Lead Ballast

After watching a pal spin and then load the car back up onto the trailer
immediately thereafter, I equipped my roadster for ballast. The local
purveyor wanted $2+ per pound for lead. I checked ebay and bought 100# for
$67, plus $20 for shipping. I could not imagine how the guy could send 100#
of anything from Lousiana to Boston for $20, but he did by using two USPS
Priority Mail boxes at $9 something for 50# each box.
It was fun watching the mailman deliver it, too!
I guess when mailtrucks are full they're still light.
I'm waiting for another 250# via the mail, due this week.  BJ

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 10 18:05:51 2007
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Downforce vs Ballast - the Answer
In-Reply-To: <d47.b3014c3.339de663@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070611000551.74278.qmail@web30713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just about everybody gave the answer that I expected.  Use Ballast - not downforce.  This being the case, why do so many cars - - door slammers, have these monster, exotic spoilers (almost wings) on the rear deck lids.  Why not leave the body alone and just add weight without adding all that additional drag? 
   
  DickJ

 
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From Flowbench at aol.com  Sun Jun 10 19:07:03 2007
From: Flowbench at aol.com (Flowbench at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:07:03 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Downforce vs Ballast - the Answer
Message-ID: <d41.aca4c9f.339dfa37@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/10/2007 5:54:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
lsr_man at yahoo.com writes:

Just  about everybody gave the answer that I expected.  Use Ballast - not  
downforce.  This being the case, why do so many cars - - door slammers,  have 
these monster, exotic spoilers (almost wings) on the rear deck  lids.  Why not 
leave the body alone and just add weight without adding  all that additional 
drag? 



Are you talking about LSR? I don't see that many "big" spoilers in LSR  
except for some of the big bad blown fueler type engines, most of the lower  
classes with normal aspiration remove their spoilers. 
 



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From mcmeekin at columbus.rr.com  Sun Jun 10 19:33:53 2007
From: mcmeekin at columbus.rr.com (Jane McMeekin)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:33:53 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd:  Downforce vs Ballast Question
References: <93CA64FB-FCF4-485E-ABD1-3A66B445C98F@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <7094A872-BE32-4995-92D7-EF779551B4F8@columbus.rr.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Jane McMeekin <mcmeekin at columbus.rr.com>
> Date: June 10, 2007 6:00:54 PM GMT-04:00
> To: Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Downforce vs Ballast Question
>
> Dick,
>      We just finished aero testing on the 240sx and discovered some  
> stuff that was not anticipated. For instance, we added a 3/8"  
> wicker bill to rear spoiler and experienced an additional drag  
> factor of 5+ hp (+.005cd), but at the same time, went from 230lbs  
> lift, at 200mph, to a lift of 91lbs with this change. As you can  
> see the trade off in drag for down force is very favorable with  
> this modification. The point is, it's not an easy call in many  
> instances and may be even be more difficult without scientific  
> data. What ever you decide to do, my advice is to pay attention to  
> developing the best possible shape, while at the same time, take  
> advantage of low penalty aero tricks that aid in the development of  
> down force at a reasonable cost in additional drag.
>      Don
> On Jun 10, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Dick J wrote:
>
>> Which is better?  It would seem that if you add, say 500 pounds of  
>> ballast, it's a simple addition.  If you add a spoiler designed to  
>> add 500 pounds of downforce, then you are adding the effective  
>> weight, plus additional drag.  No?
>>
>>   DickJ
>>   In East Texas
>>
>>
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Jun 10 19:54:21 2007
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:54:21 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] My replies Not Being Posted..
Message-ID: <466CAB4D.2060601@mayfco.com>

A test.,.. I have replied to several posts and nothing has shown up. 
What am I doing wrong besides breathing..

mayf

From kturk at ala.net  Sun Jun 10 20:04:45 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:04:45 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] My replies Not Being Posted..
References: <466CAB4D.2060601@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c7abcc$e2f95e60$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Mayf ... I thought  we talked to you bout that breathing thing... are you at 
it again?... damn the shame of it all...

K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:54 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] My replies Not Being Posted..


>A test.,.. I have replied to several posts and nothing has shown up.
> What am I doing wrong besides breathing..
>
> mayf
> _______________________________________________
> kturk at adelphia.net
>
> Land-speed mailing list
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed 

From Flowbench at aol.com  Sun Jun 10 20:04:04 2007
From: Flowbench at aol.com (Flowbench at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:04:04 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] My replies Not Being Posted..
Message-ID: <ca4.116129fd.339e0794@aol.com>

Reply all?



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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Jun 10 23:05:26 2007
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:05:26 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] My replies Not Being Posted..
In-Reply-To: <004f01c7abcc$e2f95e60$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <466CAB4D.2060601@mayfco.com>
	<004f01c7abcc$e2f95e60$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <466CD816.6010604@mayfco.com>

Yes, I am still hanging around taking up space, air and foodstuffs. 
Waiting for something good to happen. Just fussing with the car a bit 
here and there. It runs, but how well is anybodys guess. Messing with 
data logging a parameter now. 

Hello to Mz Tonya, please.

mayf
Keith Turk wrote:

> Mayf ... I thought  we talked to you bout that breathing thing... are 
> you at it again?... damn the shame of it all...
>
> K
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
> To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:54 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] My replies Not Being Posted..
>
>
>> A test.,.. I have replied to several posts and nothing has shown up.
>> What am I doing wrong besides breathing..
>>
>> mayf
>> _______________________________________________
>> kturk at adelphia.net
>>
>> Land-speed mailing list
>>
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed 

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Mon Jun 11 04:16:17 2007
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 06:16:17 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Downforce vs Ballast Question
In-Reply-To: <000601c7ab99$65e5bf50$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <000701c7ac11$8d385810$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405>

It is only my opinion but the way I see it we are still having a drag
race though a long one. The beauty in my eyes of aero devices that add
down force it is proportional to your current velocity so it is not
there until you need it. Mass is with you from the first foot traveled.
I think we might all agree that most that go faster at the 2 1/4 go
faster everywhere else. BTW adding weight adds drag as well and anyone
that tells you otherwise needs to buy a calculator and a couple of
books.. Run an engine on an engine dyno then put it in a car or bike and
run again on a chassis dyno. All those losses you see are not the
transmission and final drive it is the tires.. Add more weight and the
power will go down I have tested it and quite real and significant. You
also reach a point when adding weight or down force you have less
traction when you overload the tires.. So more is not better in both
cases. Usually killing lift is quite enough as a start and a modest
amount of down force if needed. A smallest vehicle to get the job done
is smart as well as we are all stuck with the same tires more or less
and the vehicle that needs the least amount of power to run a speed is
the fastest even if more power is available as the tires become the
limiting factor not what is under the hood.

Dave

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From jon at infodestruction.com  Mon Jun 11 06:48:58 2007
From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:48:58 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Downforce vs Ballast - the Answer
In-Reply-To: <20070611000551.74278.qmail@web30713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070611000551.74278.qmail@web30713.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7B9358B8-12BC-4B9F-B83D-5883B8063E4D@infodestruction.com>

On Jun 10, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Dick J wrote:

Just about everybody gave the answer that I expected.  Use Ballast -  
not downforce.  This being the case, why do so many cars - - door  
slammers, have these monster, exotic spoilers (almost wings) on the  
rear deck lids.  Why not leave the body alone and just add weight  
without adding all that additional drag?

   DickJ



Well, it's an easy answer if you're a kid driving an import -- you  
put on a spoiler, big shiny wheels with skinny rubber, and maybe some  
projection headlights -- and you think your buddies will be impressed  
and the girls will say "Yes" -- that's why the door slammers have big  
wings.

                 Jon Wennerberg
Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
              Marquette, Michigan
              (that's 'way up north)

From FastmetalBDF at aol.com  Tue Jun 12 14:08:31 2007
From: FastmetalBDF at aol.com (FastmetalBDF at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:08:31 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] nonLSR: Famous Name in Gran Prix History at local
 trial regarding Ferrari sale
Message-ID: <cb3.12b16173.33a0573f@aol.com>

    June 12, 2007  New London,  CT                            

Luigi Chinetti Jr. testified in New London Superior Court  today  that he was 
an expert in the cat-and-mouse game of selling rare Ferrari  automobiles for 
millions of dollars but that he took little interest in  his investments.  
Chinetti, formerly of Lyme, took the witness stand on the first  day of a 
trial regarding the $6.5 million sale of  Chinetti's 1956 blue and white Ferrari 
Model 290 MM and some local  owners. 
Chinetti told the jury how his father, Italian race car driver Luis  Chinetti 
Sr., worked with Enzo Ferrari in the 1940s to found the Ferrari  company. The 
company handmade a few cars in the early years, Chinetti  testified, building 
road cars to finance the much lighter, "stripped for  action" race cars. He 
said the first Ferraris sold for about $10,000 to  $12,000 - the price of "a 
pretty nice home" in those days, and that  princes and kings were among the 
company's early clients.  
Chinetti followed his father into the business, racing cars as a  younger man 
and later making a living restoring, maintaining and selling  early Ferrari 
cars.  In the early 1990s, Chinetti said he sold a 275  LM to a Japanese client 
for $3.5 million. After hearing in 1998 that the  car was going on the 
market, he bought the car back for $750,000.  




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From ed at vetteracing.com  Tue Jun 12 22:44:59 2007
From: ed at vetteracing.com (ed at vetteracing.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:44:59 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] NASCAR Garages
Message-ID: <W945260979181181709899@webmail13>

I'm gonna be driving around in the Mooresville NC area next week........ Do the race teams allow visitors in their garages??


Ed Van Scoy
#128 B/GT Corvette
SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder

From bernien2 at swbell.net  Wed Jun 13 05:27:53 2007
From: bernien2 at swbell.net (Bernie Brown)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 06:27:53 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] NASCAR Garages
References: <W945260979181181709899@webmail13>
Message-ID: <000301c7adad$e2bc30c0$4101a8c0@CPPresario>

Ed, a friend was there last year and took a tour of the shops for $50. Said 
it was the best money he had ever spent. Said Gibbs was the best and most 
accomodating. Five guys on the tour. They got to go every where in the 
shops, except the engine rooms.


> I'm gonna be driving around in the Mooresville NC area next week........ 
> Do the race teams allow visitors in their garages??
>
>
> Ed Van Scoy
> #128 B/GT Corvette
> SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder

From joetimney at dol.net  Wed Jun 13 06:42:26 2007
From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:42:26 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] NASCAR Garages
In-Reply-To: <W945260979181181709899@webmail13>
References: <W945260979181181709899@webmail13>
Message-ID: <466FE632.901@dol.net>

Ed,
Go to www.racecityusa.org. or call for the brochure at 877.661.1234. 
They have a great guide of the whole area including all the motel phone 
numbers...it really is "Race City". There is a color coded map to all 
the different venues available, NHRA, Busch, Nextel Cup, Craftsman 
Truck, and ARCA. They list what is available, eg, view window, showroom, 
raised walk, gift shop, etc. You will be amazed at how many shops are in 
the area.
We are at Maxton from the 21st thru the 23rd!!! I'll buy you a Margarita 
Sunday night after the raceat the Mexican restaurant!!!

joe

ed at vetteracing.com wrote:
> I'm gonna be driving around in the Mooresville NC area next week........ Do the race teams allow visitors in their garages??
> 
> 
> Ed Van Scoy
> #128 B/GT Corvette
> SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder
> _______________________________________________

From jon at infodestruction.com  Wed Jun 13 07:38:03 2007
From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:38:03 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] NASCAR Garages
In-Reply-To: <466FE632.901@dol.net>
References: <W945260979181181709899@webmail13> <466FE632.901@dol.net>
Message-ID: <B37600F6-80FB-4F3E-B3BF-E3DEFBAB62A3@infodestruction.com>

On Jun 13, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Joe Timney wrote:

Ed,
Go to www.racecityusa.org. or call for the brochure at 877.661.1234.
They have a great guide of the whole area including all the motel phone
numbers...it really is "Race City". There is a color coded map to all
the different venues available, NHRA, Busch, Nextel Cup, Craftsman
Truck, and ARCA. They list what is available, eg, view window, showroom,
raised walk, gift shop, etc. You will be amazed at how many shops are in
the area.
We are at Maxton from the 21st thru the 23rd!!! I'll buy you a Margarita
Sunday night after the raceat the Mexican restaurant!!!

joe




Ed, no matter what Joe says, there will not be a race at the Mexican  
restaurant Sunday night.  There's racing at Maxton Saturday the 23rd  
and Sunday the 24th, with setup and inspection on the 22nd.  You're  
welcome to come visit us and see how the east half of the world  
spends a weekend in June.  Nancy and I will be arriving Thursday  
evening.  See you there?


                 Jon Wennerberg
Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
              Marquette, Michigan
              (that's 'way up north)

From Dale.Clay at mdhelicopters.com  Wed Jun 13 08:04:28 2007
From: Dale.Clay at mdhelicopters.com (Clay, Dale)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:04:28 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] NASCAR Garages
In-Reply-To: <466FE632.901@dol.net>
References: <W945260979181181709899@webmail13> <466FE632.901@dol.net>
Message-ID: <AC71AB6270402E4D868235BF4ACACF31017E9FBE@galileo.internal.mdhelicopters.com>

Excellent site, thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Timney
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:42 AM
To: ed at vetteracing.com
Cc: Land-Speed List
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NASCAR Garages

Ed,
Go to www.racecityusa.org. or call for the brochure at 877.661.1234.
They have a great guide of the whole area including all the motel phone
numbers...it really is "Race City". There is a color coded map to all
the different venues available, NHRA, Busch, Nextel Cup, Craftsman
Truck, and ARCA. They list what is available, eg, view window, showroom,

raised walk, gift shop, etc. You will be amazed at how many shops are in

the area.
We are at Maxton from the 21st thru the 23rd!!! I'll buy you a Margarita

Sunday night after the raceat the Mexican restaurant!!!

joe

ed at vetteracing.com wrote:
> I'm gonna be driving around in the Mooresville NC area next
week........ Do the race teams allow visitors in their garages??
>
>
> Ed Van Scoy
> #128 B/GT Corvette
> SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder
> _______________________________________________
_______________________________________________
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From v4gr at rcn.com  Thu Jun 14 09:59:01 2007
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:59:01 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody out there?
Message-ID: <000801c7ae9c$ed792820$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

I send in $25 to this thing and it goes dead? What kind of a deal is that?
RF

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Jun 14 10:09:43 2007
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:09:43 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody out there?
References: <000801c7ae9c$ed792820$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <000b01c7ae9e$7d5385c0$6501a8c0@S>

Rich--Somehow we knew it was you.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody out there?


> I send in $25 to this thing and it goes dead? What kind of a deal is that?
> RF
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Thu Jun 14 10:12:33 2007
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:12:33 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody out there?
References: <000801c7ae9c$ed792820$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <000801c7ae9e$d1072280$6401a8c0@Glens>

It's not dead, just quiet, so is the other one
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody out there?


>I send in $25 to this thing and it goes dead? What kind of a deal is that?
> RF
> _______________________________________________
> speedtimer at beyondbb.com
> 
> Land-speed mailing list
> 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed

From Dale.Clay at mdhelicopters.com  Thu Jun 14 10:16:20 2007
From: Dale.Clay at mdhelicopters.com (Clay, Dale)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:16:20 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody out there?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c7ae9e$7d5385c0$6501a8c0@S>
References: <000801c7ae9c$ed792820$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<000b01c7ae9e$7d5385c0$6501a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <AC71AB6270402E4D868235BF4ACACF31017E9FCF@galileo.internal.mdhelicopters.com>

It came through ...

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ed Weldon
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:10 AM
To: Rich Fox; landspeed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Anybody out there?

Rich--Somehow we knew it was you.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>
To: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody out there?


> I send in $25 to this thing and it goes dead? What kind of a deal is
that?
> RF
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>
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From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Jun 14 11:26:09 2007
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:26:09 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody out there?
In-Reply-To: <000801c7ae9c$ed792820$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <000801c7ae9c$ed792820$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <46717A31.1030705@charter.net>

Rich Fox wrote:

>I send in $25 to this thing and it goes dead? What kind of a deal is that?
>RF
>_______________________________________________
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>
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>
>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
>
>  
>
OK Rich, I'll ask you a question. Do you have any parts for a 32 Chev. 
"6"    Have a customer that I have done other work for that has one that 
has a knock. I worked on it about 3 years ago so now he thinks I'm the 
guy to fix it this time. Told him I could not work on it till after 
Bonneville but he said he would wait. Kind of a neat old sedan ( it was 
used in the movie The Sting ). So because I fixed the Corvette that they 
dropped out of that plane in the movie Con Air I guess I'm the movie car 
fixer.  LOL
Doug Odom in big ditch

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Thu Jun 14 13:23:24 2007
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:23:24 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 235 chevy six
Message-ID: <C0B1F32B35794E9BA30482BA264EF311@LMS>

I am looking for a single groove 235 chevy hormonic balencer with the 3/8 inch
belt groove---also a upper warer neck..---I am trying to get my 302 GMC
running...
      Sparky
AA/_ L  2211

From jgmagoo at comcast.net  Thu Jun 14 13:34:11 2007
From: jgmagoo at comcast.net (jgmagoo at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:34:11 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] 1923 Aerodynamics>From>Jim McNaul
Message-ID: <061420071934.2061.46719833000A6FC70000080D22007374780101090E030906@comcast.net>

Hey, they weren't that far off!  

1923 Bugatti race car.

http://picasaweb.google.com/jgmagoo/1923Aerodynamics?authkey=iYiaq-khwpQ

Jim McNaul
Silverthorne, Colorado

From FastmetalBDF at aol.com  Thu Jun 14 13:44:26 2007
From: FastmetalBDF at aol.com (FastmetalBDF at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:44:26 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody out there ...... must be somebody ?
Message-ID: <d4f.b882bd0.33a2f49a@aol.com>

NOT Dead ........ but Many, Many LURKERS out here   ~
 
father time BDF who has been RE-enjoying my Many Great Memories of  Lions 
Drag Strip with the first of the two DVDs about that place in  Wilmington and 
that whole wonderful era !!!!!
 
I have many new questions for you, Glen, as you were there a whole lot more  
than I was ...... will contact you offlist with some of  them ...... Thanks !
 
PS : Hi to the Barbee Boys !



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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 14 14:23:52 2007
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:23:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] 235 chevy six
In-Reply-To: <C0B1F32B35794E9BA30482BA264EF311@LMS>
Message-ID: <955168.34548.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bill,
   
  Check this site out.  http://www.stovebolt.com
   
  Dick
   
  Sparky <sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:
  I am looking for a single groove 235 chevy hormonic balencer with the 3/8 inch
belt groove---also a upper warer neck..---I am trying to get my 302 GMC
running...
Sparky
AA/_ L 2211
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From kturk at ala.net  Thu Jun 14 14:38:34 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:38:34 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] 235 chevy six
References: <C0B1F32B35794E9BA30482BA264EF311@LMS>
Message-ID: <003401c7aec3$faf1e100$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Hey Billy Bob.... how'd you do at El Mirage?  you ever get that thing 
running...?   Hmmm enquiring minds want to know... ( yeah Glen me too... 
Hush )

K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sparky" <sparky.2211 at cox.net>
To: "AA List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:23 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] 235 chevy six


>I am looking for a single groove 235 chevy hormonic balencer with the 3/8 
>inch
> belt groove---also a upper warer neck..---I am trying to get my 302 GMC
> running...
>      Sparky
> AA/_ L  2211
> _______________________________________________
> kturk at adelphia.net
>
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>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed 

From jolylance at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 14 14:48:53 2007
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:48:53 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody out there?
References: <000801c7ae9c$ed792820$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<46717A31.1030705@charter.net>
Message-ID: <001101c7aec5$71fe9ad0$2101a8c0@WinXP>

Doug--tell us it was trick photography!  Did you really destroy that 
beautiful Corvette making a movie ??

Lance


> OK Rich, I'll ask you a question. Do you have any parts for a 32 Chev.
> "6"    Have a customer that I have done other work for that has one that
> has a knock. I worked on it about 3 years ago so now he thinks I'm the
> guy to fix it this time. Told him I could not work on it till after
> Bonneville but he said he would wait. Kind of a neat old sedan ( it was
> used in the movie The Sting ). So because I fixed the Corvette that they
> dropped out of that plane in the movie Con Air I guess I'm the movie car
> fixer.  LOL
> Doug Odom in big ditch

From dlodom at charter.net  Thu Jun 14 15:52:56 2007
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:52:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody out there?
In-Reply-To: <001101c7aec5$71fe9ad0$2101a8c0@WinXP>
References: <000801c7ae9c$ed792820$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<46717A31.1030705@charter.net> <001101c7aec5$71fe9ad0$2101a8c0@WinXP>
Message-ID: <4671B8B8.7050801@charter.net>

Lance, They really did try and destroy the car, no trick photography. A 
guy bought it from the studio to fix up. He soon figured out it was way 
more work than he was able to do. He asked me if I could fix it and like 
a damn fool I said sure. So I gave him a price of twice as much as I 
thought it should cost and he went away. Well along comes this other guy 
and buys it from him and brings it over for me to fix. What a nightmare. 
I did make money on the deal but no where near what it should have cost. 
   Brief idea:    The "Z" bar that goes under the dash. If you made the 
instrument panel bezel fit nice around the gage panel - the glove box 
door would flop open when you hit a bump. If you moved the door up to 
stop that problem the instrument panel had a gap at the top. Wasted 2 
days fixing that. LOL
But now the car is out being shown as the only Corvette dropped out of a 
plane. BFD   But that turns some people on I guess.
Doug Odom in big ditch




joseph lance wrote:

> Doug--tell us it was trick photography!  Did you really destroy that 
> beautiful Corvette making a movie ??
>
> Lance

From jon.the.wise at gmail.com  Thu Jun 14 16:36:43 2007
From: jon.the.wise at gmail.com (Jon Bishop)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:36:43 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Anybody out there?
In-Reply-To: <4671B8B8.7050801@charter.net>
References: <000801c7ae9c$ed792820$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<46717A31.1030705@charter.net> <001101c7aec5$71fe9ad0$2101a8c0@WinXP>
	<4671B8B8.7050801@charter.net>
Message-ID: <FB016CFB-4763-4DB2-9358-0667BECBDD87@gmail.com>

Betcha nobody tried to fix the one they jumped off the foresthill  
bridge(3rd highest bridge in the world) in Triple X (Vin Diesel  
Action Flick). I've dropped bowling balls and such off that bridge as  
a youth, and the results were quite entertaining. I can't imagine the  
amount of headache fixing the one that came outta the plane caused...  
but it was probably worth it to the guy who has it... the one in  
TripleX was a newer model, and I wouldn't think would be worth the  
trouble.

~Jon

On Jun 14, 2007, at 2:52 PM, DougOdom wrote:

> Lance, They really did try and destroy the car, no trick  
> photography. A
> guy bought it from the studio to fix up. He soon figured out it was  
> way
> more work than he was able to do. He asked me if I could fix it and  
> like
> a damn fool I said sure. So I gave him a price of twice as much as I
> thought it should cost and he went away. Well along comes this  
> other guy
> and buys it from him and brings it over for me to fix. What a  
> nightmare.
> I did make money on the deal but no where near what it should have  
> cost.
>    Brief idea:    The "Z" bar that goes under the dash. If you made  
> the
> instrument panel bezel fit nice around the gage panel - the glove box
> door would flop open when you hit a bump. If you moved the door up to
> stop that problem the instrument panel had a gap at the top. Wasted 2
> days fixing that. LOL
> But now the car is out being shown as the only Corvette dropped out  
> of a
> plane. BFD   But that turns some people on I guess.
> Doug Odom in big ditch
>
>
>
>
> joseph lance wrote:
>
>> Doug--tell us it was trick photography!  Did you really destroy that
>> beautiful Corvette making a movie ??
>>
>> Lance
> _______________________________________________
> jon.the.wise at gmail.com
>
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>
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From v4gr at rcn.com  Thu Jun 14 17:15:38 2007
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:15:38 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 235 chevy six
References: <C0B1F32B35794E9BA30482BA264EF311@LMS>
Message-ID: <000801c7aed9$ebf18a00$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Is this a dumb answer? Can you cut off the second groove if you don't need 
it? Or do you just not have a ballancer at all? have you tried Patric's? I 
would look in the Inliners International web site  for advertisers near you. 
When I ran my GMC I dodn't have any 
       ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sparky" <sparky.2211 at cox.net>
To: "AA List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:23 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] 235 chevy six


>I am looking for a single groove 235 chevy hormonic balencer with the 3/8 
>inch
> belt groove---also a upper warer neck..---I am trying to get my 302 GMC
> running...
>      Sparky
> AA/_ L  2211 

From fosterap at flash.net  Thu Jun 14 20:55:27 2007
From: fosterap at flash.net (JERRY FOSTER)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:55:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] 235 chevy six
In-Reply-To: <000801c7aed9$ebf18a00$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <718881.97350.qm@web80610.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good point Rich......Patrick's down in Casa Grande is a Chevy 6 (and flathead) specialist.  He has acres of cars out there for parts, and he fabs special water pumps, etc. for the stovebolts.  Go get em Sparky.  Jerry in Dallas

Rich Fox <v4gr at rcn.com> wrote:  Is this a dumb answer? Can you cut off the second groove if you don't need 
it? Or do you just not have a ballancer at all? have you tried Patric's? I 
would look in the Inliners International web site for advertisers near you. 
When I ran my GMC I dodn't have any 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sparky" 
To: "AA List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:23 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] 235 chevy six


>I am looking for a single groove 235 chevy hormonic balencer with the 3/8 
>inch
> belt groove---also a upper warer neck..---I am trying to get my 302 GMC
> running...
> Sparky
> AA/_ L 2211 
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From kturk at ala.net  Thu Jun 14 21:31:53 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:31:53 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
Message-ID: <002601c7aefd$b849c630$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Okay I want you smart folks to think about this question and try to put any
prejudices aside,  Or simply open up your minds a bit...

Somehow I've started thinking about the true golden age of the automobile
while also considering motorcycles... I've started to form some opinions...
none of them have any value other then they are mine...

So that having been said... here's the question ...  What were the truly great
10 year periods of both cars and bikes... and if they differ in your opinion
please tell us why...

Just a bit of fuel for thought while your doing those mindless tasks getting
ready for speedweek.

Keith

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Thu Jun 14 22:56:45 2007
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:56:45 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
References: <002601c7aefd$b849c630$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <005301c7af09$95046c50$6501a8c0@S>

Golden Ages--

Griff Borgeson would probably say the decade of the 1920's.  If you are
talking about a world we can only read about; but never can touch you'd
likely agree with Griff (even though he was pretty biased toward the work of
Miller, Goosen and Offenhauser.)

Ed Weldon would say the period 1949 to 1959 which saw a flood of automotive
technical achievements make it into the mass marketplace and at the same
time popular new forms of automobile racing grew within the reach of the
average joe both as a spectator and a participant.  This was the time when
America fell in love with the automobile and when land speed racing grew out
of Southern California. (I can be biased too!!)

One could say that we are in the middle of the golden age of the automotive
technology and art today.  Certainly we're seeing a lot of seriously good
engineering in the automotive world.  But I have some trouble viewing any of
this as having much in the way of "gold" coloration inasmuch as most of what
is being developed is either inspired by polititians and government
bureaucrats or will have  a price tag that will chew up a year's wages.
Gone are the days when a month's  worth of paychecks would get you out on
the track with something that wouldn't be laughed at. (a few of our LSR
record holders past and present notwithstanding)

Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>; <ECTALSR at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...


>  .......  What were the truly great
> 10 year periods of both cars and bikes... and if they differ in your
opinion
> please tell us why...

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Thu Jun 14 23:04:16 2007
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:04:16 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 302 pulleys
Message-ID: <85E5CD0DDDC7429ABF0CA9FB4FC4C399@LMS>

GMC's came with three pulleys---3/8, 5/8 and 7/8---mis is a big school bus
motor which had the 7/8 inch----I found two rebuild 3/8 for the price of one
for some one going out of bus.

.---I was told by Patrick---that with a little mach. work---that a Chevy 235
will work--

-I think I found one of those today----I can make the water outlet out of
tubing and plate..
.
      Sparky
AA/_ L  2211

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 14 23:41:36 2007
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:41:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
References: <002601c7aefd$b849c630$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <003501c7af0f$db0d7150$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>

The  best years for motorcycles were the 30's, Look at the art deco designs 
of the Indians, Hendersons and especially the Crocker's. Harleys were drab 
to the Indians which needed the sales. Dupont owned them during that time so 
the colors were unmatched...Sorry it's the 30's for the cars too for the 
same reason. How could the same decade bring us the "deuce", 32 Ford and the 
Cord with it's great aero design. Again art deco at it's finest. How about 
the Dusenberg thrown in too. How could it have been better.

While I'm at it the airplanes of the 30's were awesome. With Ryan, Stinson, 
etc with those radials....Damn that was the best for them too.

Now how did I come out of this with a 39 Indian Sport Scout and a past 
ownership of a 1938 Ryan SCW..(look one up and tell me that it's not the 
prettiest private plane you ever saw). Guess I'm just 
prejudice...................JD
>
> Somehow I've started thinking about the true golden age of the automobile
> while also considering motorcycles... I've started to form some 
> opinions...
> none of them have any value other then they are mine...
>
> So that having been said... here's the question ...  What were the truly 
> great
> 10 year periods of both cars and bikes... and if they differ in your 
> opinion
> please tell us why...
>
> Just a bit of fuel for thought while your doing those mindless tasks 
> getting
> ready for speedweek.

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Fri Jun 15 00:57:50 2007
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:57:50 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
References: <002601c7aefd$b849c630$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<003501c7af0f$db0d7150$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <006201c7af1a$7fda9370$6501a8c0@S>

JD-- I can't argue with you on the motorcycles or airplanes.  Or even the
Cord.  But Deusenbergs??  Overpriced museum pieces full of 1920's
technology!!  They couldn't hold a candle to the Cadillacs and Packards.

And '32 Fords?  They were a mess. The low end Chrysler and GM products were
much better cars.  And Ford?   A new engine rushed into premature production
release full of goofy ideas some quickly abandoned in later models and
others like the distributor design cussed at by mechanics for the next 27
years.  A quick cosmetic rehash of the previous year's models with virtually
no engineering improvement of the chassis.  Disappointing sales.  Maybe the
"Golden Age" for Henry's iron foundry and the beginning of the idea of
making "everyman's" car capable of high speed performance.  But the first
decent Fords after the model A really didn't get built until 1939.

Sure the Deuce became a hot rodders favorite.  But that was just an
aberation derived from the ease of mounting a later high powered engine in
its lightweight chassis with the resources of any amatuer mechanic.  Look at
all the changes a street rodder needs to make to turn them into decent road
cars.  And streamlined?  Yup.  Like a brick.  So why am I so hard on 32
Fords?  Cause I've owned one for 37 years.....
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>;
<ECTALSR at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
> ..............................Sorry it's the 30's for the cars too for the
> same reason. How could the same decade bring us the "deuce", 32 Ford >

From wmtsmith at cox.net  Thu Jun 14 18:31:55 2007
From: wmtsmith at cox.net (Wm. T. Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:31:55 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] 235 chevy six
In-Reply-To: <003401c7aec3$faf1e100$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
References: <C0B1F32B35794E9BA30482BA264EF311@LMS>
	<003401c7aec3$faf1e100$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <0FEDB972832D4A1199BA4F7B9FF17FFF@LMS>

Did not make it---- am now shooting for JULY----
      Sparky 
AA/_ L  2211
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>
To: "Sparky" <sparky.2211 at cox.net>; "AA List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] 235 chevy six

From Want1937hd at aol.com  Fri Jun 15 04:14:20 2007
From: Want1937hd at aol.com (Want1937hd at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:14:20 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
Message-ID: <bce.17cea124.33a3c07c@aol.com>

I like real old stuff so 1904-1914 is the Golden Era for me. Just about 
everything related to highspeed automobiles was invented in that time period, 
superchargers, front wheel drive, Twin Cam hemi's etc. People got to see the birth 
of auto racing.Bob in connecticut



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From kturk at ala.net  Fri Jun 15 04:18:34 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:18:34 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
References: <002601c7aefd$b849c630$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<003501c7af0f$db0d7150$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <004501c7af36$885b2d40$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Yeah JD....  I've had some of those same thoughts...  one of the things that 
prompted the question was a new Crocker engine being built by a friend of 
mine...

As for the Ryan... I agree it's pretty... but the Stagger wing Beach... or 
even better the Bee Gee Racer...  Virtually any of the sea plane racers.... 
and last but not least... ( okay this is two or more ... but you get the 
point ).... how bout a P 51,  Ah-1 Cobra ( hey I flew every model of 
these )....   Or a Lear...

You absolutely got the point thou JD....  I loved the 30's junk...  But was 
that truly the golden age?   As for Bikes... don't we have more independant 
builders today then ever? ( not that I particularly like what they are 
doing )

K 

From kturk at ala.net  Fri Jun 15 04:39:31 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:39:31 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] [ECTALSR] Re:  Not a quick question...
References: <002601c7aefd$b849c630$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<003501c7af0f$db0d7150$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<004501c7af36$885b2d40$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <005d01c7af39$755ec410$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

I've been doing a stone job on a buddies house the last few days... ( damaged
by the Tornado ) and it's given me some time to reflect on this stupid
question...

There are several historians amoung us that are going to have interesting
opinions like Jd's.. then there is the rest of us who will most likely base
our opinions on what we know or have seen in our life times...

Expanding the question to airplanes, House design, or any other form of man
made crud is absolutely acceptable... this is simply an exercise in
opinions...  something to draw out a couple of folks who haven't said much...

K

From ecpurinton at wildblue.net  Fri Jun 15 05:17:39 2007
From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:17:39 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] not a quick question
Message-ID: <46727553.6050009@wildblue.net>

Keith,

     Some will stir up most anything so they'll have e-mail to 
read....................

     Some of the all time apples of my eye are a red and black early 
30's Auburn Boat Tail Speedster and later Spfld. Indian Chiefs.

     That said, for 10 year times I will have to go with  '55-'65 or so 
with the cars.  Late '50's had a lot of different  stuff with rapid 
development in all venues; F1, Indy, Drags, Stocks.  Creative and 
talented  individuals still had a good shot until mid '60's when the 
high buck$ seemed to start being a bigger part of the equation.  Bikes 
would be '65-'75 or so.  Basically same reasons.  Competitive stuff from 
across all ponds as well as home grown.  Grand National Champ was an all 
'rounder, short track, TT, 1/2 & miler, and road racer.  Vincents make 
my time frame 'cause they were that far ahead of their time, reading 
this Max?

    Biased up the road apiece from the Wigwam and home of the Bee Gee,  
Ed Purinton

From Want1937hd at aol.com  Fri Jun 15 05:20:19 2007
From: Want1937hd at aol.com (Want1937hd at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:20:19 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] [ECTALSR] Re:  Not a quick question...
Message-ID: <c86.13f26ac7.33a3cff3@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/15/07 6:39:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kturk at ala.net 
writes:

Expanding the question to airplanes, House design, or any other form of man
made crud is absolutely acceptable... 

When it comes to houses you can't beat a big Victorian with a matching 
carriage house. Era I'd like to have lived in would be 1840-1915. Bob in connecticut



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From kturk at ala.net  Fri Jun 15 05:23:10 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:23:10 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] not a quick question
References: <46727553.6050009@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <007e01c7af3f$8e9924b0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Ed... I really like your answer on the bikes... I've got a 78 750 Triumph 
Bonneville and a 76 Honda 550 four cylinder... and even thou they were 
produced in the same era's they are represent the end and beginning of era's 
of motorcycling...  Very interesting contrasts... the Bonnie is actually a 
couple of years newer and mostly pure junk in comparison...  but ain't much 
prettier...

K
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Purinton" <ecpurinton at wildblue.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] not a quick question


> Keith,
>
>     Some will stir up most anything so they'll have e-mail to
> read....................
>
>     Some of the all time apples of my eye are a red and black early
> 30's Auburn Boat Tail Speedster and later Spfld. Indian Chiefs.
>
>     That said, for 10 year times I will have to go with  '55-'65 or so
> with the cars.  Late '50's had a lot of different  stuff with rapid
> development in all venues; F1, Indy, Drags, Stocks.  Creative and
> talented  individuals still had a good shot until mid '60's when the
> high buck$ seemed to start being a bigger part of the equation.  Bikes
> would be '65-'75 or so.  Basically same reasons.  Competitive stuff from
> across all ponds as well as home grown.  Grand National Champ was an all
> 'rounder, short track, TT, 1/2 & miler, and road racer.  Vincents make
> my time frame 'cause they were that far ahead of their time, reading
> this Max?
>
>    Biased up the road apiece from the Wigwam and home of the Bee Gee,
> Ed Purinton

From ddahlgren at snet.net  Fri Jun 15 05:28:03 2007
From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:28:03 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] [ECTALSR] Re:  Not a quick question...
In-Reply-To: <c86.13f26ac7.33a3cff3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c7af40$3e087d60$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405>

I have that setup and it will break your heart like living in a sinking
boat trust me you are never done keeping it afloat..
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Want1937hd at aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 7:20 AM
To: kturk at ala.net; ECTALSR at yahoogroups.com; gmc6power at earthlink.net;
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Subject: Re: [Land-speed] [ECTALSR] Re: Not a quick question...


In a message dated 6/15/07 6:39:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
kturk at ala.net
writes:

Expanding the question to airplanes, House design, or any other form of
man made crud is absolutely acceptable...

When it comes to houses you can't beat a big Victorian with a matching
carriage house. Era I'd like to have lived in would be 1840-1915. Bob in
connecticut



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From Want1937hd at aol.com  Fri Jun 15 05:36:18 2007
From: Want1937hd at aol.com (Want1937hd at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:36:18 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] not a quick question
Message-ID: <c55.17495518.33a3d3b2@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/15/07 7:18:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ecpurinton at wildblue.net writes:

Biased up the road apiece from the Wigwam and home of the Bee Gee,  
Ed Purinton

If you're ever driving through Springfield there is a replica BeeGee in an 
all glass building just about level with traffic on I91. Often wonder if 
anyone's wrecked a vehicle looking at it. Bob in connecticut



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From ecpurinton at wildblue.net  Fri Jun 15 05:47:56 2007
From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:47:56 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] not a quick question
Message-ID: <46727C6C.4030401@wildblue.net>

Dave,  Good analogy, like the old boat saying - "if you have to ask......."

Bob,  Like racin' - do it anyway 'cause it's "fun".

Keith,  Looks like you achieved list activity results.  If all goes well 
should be a new lakester headed your way next week for shakedown runs.  
Due to life getting in the way won't be able to get down, hope everyone 
has a good,safe, and fast meet.

Ed

From ecpurinton at wildblue.net  Fri Jun 15 05:55:05 2007
From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] BeeGee
Message-ID: <46727E19.8040202@wildblue.net>

Bob, 

     Not too proud so will admit to having come close myself a couple of 
times, haven't happened to hear of anyone doing the deed yet..............

                                                                      Ed

From vcviking at wildblue.net  Fri Jun 15 06:44:15 2007
From: vcviking at wildblue.net (MR VIKING)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:44:15 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] golden age
Message-ID: <004201c7af4a$e72e7250$c1cc2946@Dellie>

I think you guys need to go back a ways in time.  We would not have cars or
bikes without the wheel.  Jon

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Fri Jun 15 07:02:10 2007
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:02:10 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
In-Reply-To: <006201c7af1a$7fda9370$6501a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D163F9@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

My guess:  everyone will pretty much say the era when they grew up.
Sort of like women wearing the hairstyle popular when they came of age,
and wearing it forever.

For cars:  the 60's when the great road-racing went on.  CanAm, TransAm
- that was the greatest!  Some great LSR action then, too.

David in Durango

From zoombot at cox.net  Fri Jun 15 08:41:24 2007
From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:41:24 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a Quick Question
Message-ID: <001c01c7af5b$3fd8b540$29486644@HomePC>

    List, KT & JD -

    As for the most beautiful airplanes of the "Golden Era" - ask someone from
Wichita, the Air Capital of the World. A recent survey in a pilots' magazine
asked this very question - and the Staggerwing Beech won by a large margin. In
flight, from most every angle, the Staggerwing looked terrific. Their have
been many others that were almost as sweet, but "Walter done it right"!
    As an aside, the Lear (another great looking plane from Doodah) - was
orginally designed in Switzerland as a fighter plane.

    - Chris Pile aka aircap

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 15 07:56:59 2007
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:56:59 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
Message-ID: <10455792.1181915820013.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Keith., the adding of the Staggerwing and BeeGee makes my point all the better. I had the pleasure of spent some quality time in a 195 Cessna with that big Jacobs Radial up front. Too bad it was out of the 40's. 

All the bike of today look the same. You can tell what they are by the color. No imagination same with the cars. All round bubbles. 

-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Turk <kturk at ala.net>

>
>Yeah JD....  I've had some of those same thoughts...  one of the things that 
>prompted the question was a new Crocker engine being built by a friend of 
>mine...
>
>As for the Ryan... I agree it's pretty... but the Stagger wing Beach... or 
>even better the Bee Gee Racer...  Virtually any of the sea plane racers.... 
>and last but not least... >
>K 

From mcglener at aol.com  Fri Jun 15 09:24:11 2007
From: mcglener at aol.com (mcglener at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:24:11 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
In-Reply-To: <003501c7af0f$db0d7150$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
References: <002601c7aefd$b849c630$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<003501c7af0f$db0d7150$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <8C97D785C352D08-14D4-3973@WEBMAIL-MB09.sysops.aol.com>

** While I'm at it the airplanes of the 30's were awesome. With Ryan, 
Stinson,
etc with those radials....Damn that was the best for them too.

...and let's not forget the Beechcraft Staggerwing. Words cannot do it 
justice.

-Glen (SCTA 966B)
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From dripps at virginia.edu  Fri Jun 15 10:04:39 2007
From: dripps at virginia.edu (robin dripps)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:04:39 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] not a quick question
Message-ID: <4F9C5F66-06A1-4FB9-B96F-080CBC5D16F8@virginia.edu>

This is certainly a devious endeavor of Keiths.   All work on
architectural essays as well as final preparations for Maxton have
been sidelined while trying to figure out the meaning of a Golden Age
and is relationship to cars and bikes.  I thought it best to just get
it over with so I can bet back to other things so:
A few qualifications or observations:  I would discount the current
context in all categories since a golden age almost by definition
seems a nostalgic proposition, after all would we all hope that
things in every way will be better in the future.   My other thought
was that the answers probably tell more about who we are and how old
we are than the cars and bikes themselves.  Having said all this, for
me, the golden age for both would be the 1949-59 era.  While the 30s
was a magnificent time in terms of technical innovation with vehicles
fully expressing the mechanical creativity of the time, the 50s saw
great technical advance coinciding with design concern for the total
package,  Of course later we see the concern for styling taking
precedent over technical issues.
But I think a listing of examples tells a better story.   For cars I
think of the 356 Porsche, the Gullwing Mercedes, Austin Healey 100-4,
AC Cobra, BMW 507 and even the 1600, along with those lovely Alfas.
But then look at the 49-51 Mercury, 49-54 Olds, 49-54 Caddy, 53
Studebaker, the Blue Flame engined Corvette, and of course the 55
chevy  with the introduction of the SBC.  Then there are the American
privateers, Cunnignham, Reventlow, etc.
For bikes I think of the Featherbed Manx, Velocette KTR, Moto Guzzi
singles and the fabulous V8, the Desmo Ducattis, MV Augustas, or
the record holding NSU as well as the 7R/G50, Goldstar and BMW
Rennsport.  All of these represent such a clear but distinct idea of
what a car or a motorcycle ought to be.
Oh well, I best get back to work.
Robin Dripps

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Fri Jun 15 10:50:54 2007
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:50:54 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] not a quick question
References: <4F9C5F66-06A1-4FB9-B96F-080CBC5D16F8@virginia.edu>
Message-ID: <003e01c7af6d$59607c20$6501a8c0@S>

Hmmmmm.........Great minds think alike.
EW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robin dripps" <dripps at virginia.edu>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] not a quick question
> .........Having said all this, for
> me, the golden age for both would be the 1949-59 era. 

From airtanker2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 15 12:33:13 2007
From: airtanker2000 at yahoo.com (don felton)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] lost a cylinder
Message-ID: <321191.31928.qm@web38914.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ever loose a cylinder ?
  check this;
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From kturk at ala.net  Fri Jun 15 13:29:31 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:29:31 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] not a quick question
References: <4F9C5F66-06A1-4FB9-B96F-080CBC5D16F8@virginia.edu>
Message-ID: <00ce01c7af83$7fcfcd50$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

Robin... you got the concept exactly right...  the querry was to simply use 
our collective brains to come up with a few teasers to twist our minds...

Another part of the question was formed watching Jay Leno the other night... 
here's a guy with enough to have anything he wants.... so the question is.. 
what do you want...is it the passion to work on them? or to play with them? 
or to simply own them...  and Jay has it all... so... assuming your going to 
spend the time and effort to enjoy something mechanical... what would it 
be...

I dig lots of things that folks have mentioned so far... but I find myself 
saying stuff like this all the time..... " I want you to own it so I can 
look at it and enjoy it... but I don't want to maintain it "    Defining 
stuff brings up interesting opinions about things that fall into that 
category...

That and I'm just  a curious sort....

Keith ( yes Glen I'm suffiencently twisted without this thread as a side 
light. ) 

From saltracer at awwwsome.com  Fri Jun 15 13:38:23 2007
From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:38:23 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [Land-speed] [ECTALSR] Re:  Not a quick question...
References: <002601c7aefd$b849c630$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<003501c7af0f$db0d7150$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<004501c7af36$885b2d40$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
	<005d01c7af39$755ec410$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <4672EAA4.000003.02236@TOM>

I have always had a need for speed! My best friend had cars from the early
high school days. I first drove solo in his '29 Chevrolet Sedan. My dad had
a '37 Ford with a 100 HP Mercury engine that I could use occasionally. (Not
often enough, I thought.) One rainy evening I walked the last 1 1/2  miles
home after rolling the '37. I was expecting the worst, but dad was very calm
and said, you pay for the damage and I will pay for the paint. Nothing more
was spoken of it.

I have had several vehicles over the years...my first was a 1922 Ford
Model-T Touring. It quit running and I didn't know much about cars in those
days. I sold it to a friend who had it running in a flash. It had jumped
timing!  My first real car was a '36 Ford Deluxe 2-door Sedan . Deluxe meant
that it had dual windshield wipers and dual tail lights. More about this car
later.

Shortly after I married, while living in Omaha NE, working my way to
California, I was employed as a mechanic for the Crosley Dealership. During
that year, I owned two Crosleys. A '49 Station wagon and a '50 Convertible.
This was also my first opportunity to build a "hopped up" engine. The
manager of a local finance company had repossessed a Crosley Hotshot and
wanted more power. I added the available  Braje Equipment and made it a
really healthy machine.This started my pursuit of HP.

The Crosley was quite a car.  A shaft driven overhead cam with no rocker
arms, integral cylinder/head, first American production car with disc brakes
 34 mph/gallon, etc. The engines have continued to be used in various venues
 See http://www.ggw.org/~cac/SS-Cobras-part2.html

Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC

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From RACE427 at aol.com  Fri Jun 15 15:03:09 2007
From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:03:09 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
Message-ID: <c52.1791c383.33a4588d@aol.com>

I will stick my neck out and say it was the  decade when I was born, the 
50's.  Afterall, GM was able to achieve 1  hp per cubic inch with fuel injection, 
Chevrolet had the Corvette ( my favorite  car of all time ).  Chrysler had the 
Hemi.  Ford had the  Thunderbird.  Automobile styling was something else.  I 
used to guess  the make, model and year when in my father's car, a game he 
would play with me  when on the road.  The majority all look the same now.
 
   Domestic cars could be bought with auto  transmissions, A-C, power 
steering, power windows.
 
   There was the Nash, Rambler, Packard, Studebaker,  Hudson.  American 
automobile production at it's finest hour.
 
    LOL     :)        Tony G      LI,NY



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From d.pulju at pahrump.com  Fri Jun 15 19:32:59 2007
From: d.pulju at pahrump.com (Dale H Pulju)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:32:59 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record
Message-ID: <000501c7afb6$468d6a10$4801000a@Dale>

http://home.businesswire.com:80/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_v
iew&newsId=20070614005665&newsLang=en

dale

new landspped engine?

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Fri Jun 15 19:22:52 2007
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:22:52 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record
References: <000501c7afb6$468d6a10$4801000a@Dale>
Message-ID: <002201c7afb4$e046f830$6501a8c0@S>

If the press release below is any indication I'd say George Coates is pretty
near the south end of the learning curve on LSR.  But if he's clever enough
to have gotten this far with a new engine design his effort will prove
interesting.  The question, as has been the case with other large scale
entrepreneurs (people who do press releases) that have preceded him on the
Salt will be does he have wisdom to match his genius?
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dale H Pulju" <d.pulju at pahrump.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 6:32 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record


>
http://home.businesswire.com:80/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_v
> iew&newsId=20070614005665&newsLang=en
> dale
> new landspeed engine?

From d.pulju at pahrump.com  Fri Jun 15 20:27:22 2007
From: d.pulju at pahrump.com (Dale H Pulju)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:27:22 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record
References: <000501c7afb6$468d6a10$4801000a@Dale>
	<002201c7afb4$e046f830$6501a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <000901c7afbd$df48d300$4801000a@Dale>

if he shows up on the salt we will see
dale
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>

Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record


> If the press release below is any indication I'd say George Coates is 
> pretty
> near the south end of the learning curve on LSR.  But if he's clever 
> enough
> to have gotten this far with a new engine design his effort will prove
> interesting.  The question, as has been the case with other large scale
> entrepreneurs (people who do press releases) that have preceded him on the
> Salt will be does he have wisdom to match his genius?
> Ed Weldon
>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 6:32 PM
> Subject: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri Jun 15 20:13:20 2007
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:13:20 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record
References: <000501c7afb6$468d6a10$4801000a@Dale><002201c7afb4$e046f830$6501a8c0@S>
	<000901c7afbd$df48d300$4801000a@Dale>
Message-ID: <014001c7afbb$e9bb9b80$6401a8c0@Glens>

Seems like he is off on his dates and who set records.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dale H Pulju" <d.pulju at pahrump.com>
To: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record


> if he shows up on the salt we will see
> dale
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
>
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record
>
>
>> If the press release below is any indication I'd say George Coates is
>> pretty
>> near the south end of the learning curve on LSR.  But if he's clever
>> enough
>> to have gotten this far with a new engine design his effort will prove
>> interesting.  The question, as has been the case with other large scale
>> entrepreneurs (people who do press releases) that have preceded him on 
>> the
>> Salt will be does he have wisdom to match his genius?
>> Ed Weldon
>>
>> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 6:32 PM
>> Subject: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Fri Jun 15 21:27:09 2007
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:27:09 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record
References: <000501c7afb6$468d6a10$4801000a@Dale><002201c7afb4$e046f830$6501a8c0@S>
	<000901c7afbd$df48d300$4801000a@Dale>
	<014001c7afbb$e9bb9b80$6401a8c0@Glens>
Message-ID: <002d01c7afc6$3d567490$6501a8c0@S>

I noticed that.  Hence my reference to his "southern exposure"
Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer at beyondbb.com>
To: "Dale H Pulju" <d.pulju at pahrump.com>; "Ed Weldon"
<23.weldon at comcast.net>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record


> Seems like he is off on his dates and who set records.
> Glen

From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Fri Jun 15 22:26:26 2007
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:26:26 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Coates Contemplates Breaking Land Speed Record
Message-ID: <001d01c7afce$8132c3a0$563c2544@john>

In Australia in the 50's the Dunstan company made rotary valve heads for
the Holden in-line 6 . It had one straight rotary valve for intake and 
exhaust .
John Burk

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 15 23:17:21 2007
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:17:21 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
In-Reply-To: <002601c7aefd$b849c630$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <BAY135-F31FE71E61AA52107D81D92D91D0@phx.gbl>

          K:  Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

       GENERALIZING here:    1920',  1930's , 1940's , 1950's,  and the 
1960's ...

         ...with each having SOME really GREAT examples.


       "HOW"     -could we ever get more specific ?


      "of course, your mileage may vary"

  cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in So. New York,

  -18 miles from Square Deal Raceway,
  -20 miles east of Action Park Speedway,
  -50 miles northeast of Champion Speedway
  -105 miles south of "the  Syracuse  Mile" ...
  -265 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway
  -2425 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats
          and never more than a few feet from a cold one

  ------------------------------------- oooo 
--------------------------------------



From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>, <ECTALSR at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:31:53 -0500

Okay I want you smart folks to think about this question and try to put any
prejudices aside,  Or simply open up your minds a bit...

Somehow I've started thinking about the true golden age of the automobile
while also considering motorcycles... I've started to form some opinions...
none of them have any value other then they are mine...

So that having been said... here's the question ...  What were the truly 
great
10 year periods of both cars and bikes... and if they differ in your opinion
please tell us why...

Just a bit of fuel for thought while your doing those mindless tasks getting
ready for speedweek.

Keith

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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 15 23:22:45 2007
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:22:45 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
In-Reply-To: <003501c7af0f$db0d7150$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <BAY135-F283B8542F926808D3CC17CD91D0@phx.gbl>

    JD brought up some  -excellent-  points   -on all counts

     I have to agree.

    cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in So. New York,

   -who wishes the '37 Indian Scout he had when he was 16 was still in his 
gar'ge   -darnit.

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From: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>, 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>,<ECTALSR at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:41:36 -0700

The  best years for motorcycles were the 30's, Look at the art deco designs
of the Indians, Hendersons and especially the Crocker's. Harleys were drab
to the Indians which needed the sales. Dupont owned them during that time so
the colors were unmatched...Sorry it's the 30's for the cars too for the
same reason. How could the same decade bring us the "deuce", 32 Ford and the
Cord with it's great aero design. Again art deco at it's finest. How about
the Dusenberg thrown in too. How could it have been better.

While I'm at it the airplanes of the 30's were awesome. With Ryan, Stinson,
etc with those radials....Damn that was the best for them too.

Now how did I come out of this with a 39 Indian Sport Scout and a past
ownership of a 1938 Ryan SCW..(look one up and tell me that it's not the
prettiest private plane you ever saw). Guess I'm just
prejudice...................JD



 >
 > Somehow I've started thinking about the true golden age of the automobile
 > while also considering motorcycles... I've started to form some
 > opinions...
 > none of them have any value other then they are mine...
 >
 > So that having been said... here's the question ...  What were the truly
 > great
 > 10 year periods of both cars and bikes... and if they differ in your
 > opinion
 > please tell us why...
 >
 > Just a bit of fuel for thought while your doing those mindless tasks
 > getting ready for speedweek.

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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 15 23:43:09 2007
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:43:09 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] not a quick question
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c7af83$7fcfcd50$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>
Message-ID: <BAY135-F37B1DE021E3A53FE90514FD91D0@phx.gbl>

  I'm impressed that so many 'listers' have such great taste.


       what a great bunch to hang out with....

  " no foolin'      " cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in So. New York,

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From: "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>, "robin dripps" <dripps at virginia.edu>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] not a quick question
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:29:31 -0500

Robin... you got the concept exactly right...  the querry was to simply use
our collective brains to come up with a few teasers to twist our minds...

Another part of the question was formed watching Jay Leno the other night...
here's a guy with enough to have anything he wants.... so the question is..
what do you want...is it the passion to work on them? or to play with them?
or to simply own them...  and Jay has it all... so... assuming your going to
spend the time and effort to enjoy something mechanical... what would it
be...

I dig lots of things that folks have mentioned so far... but I find myself
saying stuff like this all the time..... " I want you to own it so I can
look at it and enjoy it... but I don't want to maintain it "    Defining
stuff brings up interesting opinions about things that fall into that
category...

That and I'm just  a curious sort....

Keith ( yes Glen I'm suffiencently twisted without this thread as a side 
light. )

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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Sat Jun 16 15:09:23 2007
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:09:23 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] count down
Message-ID: <014101c7b05a$9e346e90$6401a8c0@Glens>

Just think only 55 days to speed week, are you going to be ready. Keith you
don't need to answer.
Glen

From jolylance at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 16 19:45:17 2007
From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:45:17 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...
References: <002601c7aefd$b849c630$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p><003501c7af0f$db0d7150$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<006201c7af1a$7fda9370$6501a8c0@S>
Message-ID: <000301c7b081$2e615930$2101a8c0@WinXP>

Ed;

I couldn't agree more about the early Fords. The first car that a drove on 
the street at age 13 was a 1932 Ford Model B with the 4 banger.  The whole 
car was very crude compared to the 34 Plymouth I played with three years 
later, it had an IFS (1949 before Ford had that) and hydraulic brakes which 
Ford didn't have until 1939. The Plymouth handled very well compared with 
most cars (especially the Fords) through the 1940s and with a later model 
six and a cam, aluminum head, dual carbs, Mallory ignition, and dual 
exhausts was reasonably fast. Too bad I never put in a 265 cid Chrysler six.

The Golden Years for me were the 40s-early 50s when low cost things like 
milled heads, homemade intake manifolds, dual exhausts, and tuning skills 
(no electronics) led to measurable and satisfying performance improvements 
in a wide variety of cars and 7$ heavy-duty Monroe shocks made a big 
difference in handling. Engine conversions (big Chrysler sixs in Plymouths, 
Jimmys into Chevys, OHV Cads and Olds engines into Fords) were easy and 
straight-forward--we were always tracking down old LaSalle voltage 
regulators for that GM engine to Ford battery polarity switch. Buying an 
early GM OHV junk-yard V8 was always more affordable for us guys than 
flathead Ford stroker kits and other new equipment. And milling the heads of 
those early OHVs only cost $6 bucks a head (took some tinkering to get 
things lined up on top of the engine afterwards)-- replacing the hydraulic 
lifters with solid lifters and adjustable rocker arms was fairly cheap.

But that's only because those cars were so bad when they came from the 
factory. I would argue that when it comes to store-bought cars, right now is 
a "Golden Age"---there is a tremendous variety of high performance cars with 
excellent handling, good brakes, and high reliability (especially compared 
with that junk we bought from the 60s-90s). Even so, it's nice that they can 
still be "improved" with a little work and aftermarket stuff. Still fun with 
some innovation, work, and a little (or a lot) of money!!

Lance


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Weldon" <23.weldon at comcast.net>
To: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>; "Keith Turk" <kturk at ala.net>; 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Not a quick question...


> JD-- I can't argue with you on the motorcycles or airplanes.  Or even the
> Cord.  But Deusenbergs??  Overpriced museum pieces full of 1920's
> technology!!  They couldn't hold a candle to the Cadillacs and Packards.
>
> And '32 Fords?  They were a mess. The low end Chrysler and GM products 
> were
> much better cars.  And Ford?   A new engine rushed into premature 
> production
> release full of goofy ideas some quickly abandoned in later models and
> others like the distributor design cussed at by mechanics for the next 27
> years.  A quick cosmetic rehash of the previous year's models with 
> virtually
> no engineering improvement of the chassis.  Disappointing sales.  Maybe 
> the
> "Golden Age" for Henry's iron foundry and the beginning of the idea of
> making "everyman's" car capable of high speed performance.  But the first
> decent Fords after the model A really didn't get built until 1939.
>
> Sure the Deuce became a hot rodders favorite.  But that was just an
> aberation derived from the ease of mounting a later high powered engine in
> its lightweight chassis with the resources of any amatuer mechanic.  Look 
> at
> all the changes a street rodder needs to make to turn them into decent 
> road
> cars.  And streamlined?  Yup.  Like a brick.  So why am I so hard on 32
> Fords?  Cause I've owned one for 37 years.....
> Ed Weldon

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 16 23:25:37 2007
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:25:37 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] count down
References: <014101c7b05a$9e346e90$6401a8c0@Glens>
Message-ID: <002101c7b09f$f2ee4a60$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>

As of today, ready to load into the trailer...But will run July El Mirage 
first...The roadster has not been on the dirt since May 16, 1999. This will 
get me out of impounds and pushing off or driving;  it's where I really 
belong.
I fit my 14 year old grandson in the car today. If he grows 2" more inches 
he will be perfect.


> Just think only 55 days to speed week, are you going to be ready. Keith 
> you
> don't need to answer.
> Glen

From tschoeny at comcast.net  Sun Jun 17 08:55:59 2007
From: tschoeny at comcast.net (Tim & Marie Schoeny)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Brake/Tail Lights
Message-ID: <002e01c7b0ef$9df37940$0200a8c0@DELL8600>

Was reading the rules for MS(modified sports) again and noticed they call for
tail/stop lights.Question:do they have to work or just be there?Thanks for any
insight.
                                              Tim

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Sun Jun 17 09:23:36 2007
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 08:23:36 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] count down
In-Reply-To: <002101c7b09f$f2ee4a60$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
References: <014101c7b05a$9e346e90$6401a8c0@Glens>
	<002101c7b09f$f2ee4a60$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <20070617152351.05CE41879E3@autox.team.net>

So if you are not in impound, pushing off or driving......what in the 
world are you going to do with yourself????
Skip



At 10:25 PM 6/16/2007, J.D. Tone wrote:
>As of today, ready to load into the trailer...But will run July El Mirage
>first...The roadster has not been on the dirt since May 16, 1999. This will
>get me out of impounds and pushing off or driving;  it's where I really
>belong.
>I fit my 14 year old grandson in the car today. If he grows 2" more inches
>he will be perfect.
>
>
> > Just think only 55 days to speed week, are you going to be ready. Keith
> > you
> > don't need to answer.
> > Glen
>_______________________________________________
>saltrat at pahrump.com
>
>Land-speed mailing list
>
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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 17 10:09:12 2007
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:09:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting and Fitting Braided Stainless Lines
Message-ID: <135457.57418.qm@web30709.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

At the risk of somebody saying "Gee, EVERBODY has been doing that for a hundred years.", I think I've discovered a neat little trick for working with braided stainless line.  I noticed that after taping and cutting with a cut-off wheel or dremel, as soon as the tape is removed (or sometimes even before the tape is removed) the ends of the braided wire will start to funnel open like a little velocity stack, making it impossible to get the flared end into the fitting.  
   
  This added step will stop the flaring of the braid.  Once you mark your cut, if you smear the area around the cut for about a half inch in each direction with an ample coating of super glue, and let it dry for a minute or two before putting the tape on, you will find that once the tubing is cut and the tape removed, the end will hold it's correct diameter indefinitely. You may not even need to tape it, but I haven't tried that. 
   
  If everybody's already been doing this, then just smile and don't say anything so I can feel like I discovered something really cool.   :)  On the other hand, if this is a neat trick that you haven't tried before, I hope it will save you some sweat and pierced finger tips.
   
  DickJ
  In East Texas

       
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From RACE427 at aol.com  Sun Jun 17 11:38:22 2007
From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:38:22 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting and Fitting Braided Stainless Lines
Message-ID: <bb9.1a46025b.33a6cb8e@aol.com>

First time I have heard of this!!   I will give it a  try next time.
 
   Thanks for sharing  !!



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From Askotto at aol.com  Sun Jun 17 12:44:41 2007
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:44:41 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting and Fitting Braided Stainless Lines
Message-ID: <c11.16a841b5.33a6db19@aol.com>

Hi DickJ
 
Interesting idea! It's like soldering a braided wire for the same reason.  
You're a genius!!!
 
I have gone a different route. I tape it with the fiberglass filament tape  
and cut it with my chop saw, using a "standard" fiber metal cutting blade.
 
I slide an adjustable stainless radiator/fuel line hose clamp  over the hose 
end and remove the tape. I adjust the clamp so it's snug but will  slide up 
the hose to about 1/8" from the end. This "funnels" the stainless  braided fur 
ball ends into the AN fitting. The clamp slides back as you install  the AN 
fitting. Works every time without stabbing your fingers with the  stainless 
"pins". It's amazing how much they hurt for as small as they are. I'm  convinced 
there's some kind of "venom" on them from the factory.....
 
Otto 



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From Askotto at aol.com  Sun Jun 17 12:47:30 2007
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:47:30 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] count down
Message-ID: <d19.b35db74.33a6dbc2@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/17/2007 9:25:45 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
saltrat at pahrump.com writes:

So if  you are not in impound, pushing off or driving......what in the 
world are  you going to do with yourself????
Skip






I'll be sitting in the staging lanes wondering if I'll get to run  before I 
kroke of old age. LOL
 
Otto



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From saltfever at comcast.net  Sun Jun 17 13:09:03 2007
From: saltfever at comcast.net (3 liter)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:09:03 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting and Fitting Braided Stainless Lines
Message-ID: <000001c7b112$f8bef3e0$6401a8c0@dim8100>

Hi Dick:

This is certainly not intended as a criticism but only offered for
additional thought about the process.  Nice idea, Dick, and thanks for
sharing. I have not heard of it before either.  I also have not seen it
listed as a "certified installation procedure" for any of the brands of
braided hose.  My concern is that the braided "joint" is partially based on
compression and friction. Anything done to lesson these two variables would
weaken the joint. Will the glue interface have any effect (good or bad)? It
might be a good idea to test the burst-strength of your method. DON'T use
compressed air, but any suitable liquid would work well. I am inclined to
think that you are LOWERING the burst-strength of the fitting. But I DON'T
KNOW without testing. If your application is low-pressure, or for cosmetic
purposes; obviously, the "glue" is a non-issue.  But if your OPERATING
PRESSURE is pushing close to the safety factors of the hose "system" you are
using, it would be well to see if your new twist (pun intended) is advised.
Thanks, again for the idea.  -Elon



(snip . . )This added step will stop the flaring of the braid.  Once you
mark your cut, if you smear the area around the cut for about a half inch in
each direction with an ample coating of super glue, and let it dry for a
minute or two before putting the tape on, you will find that once the tubing
is cut and the tape removed, the end will hold it's correct diameter
indefinitely. You may not even need to tape it, but I haven't tried that.
Dick J,   In East Texas

From dlodom at charter.net  Sun Jun 17 13:44:51 2007
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:44:51 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting and Fitting Braided Stainless Lines
In-Reply-To: <135457.57418.qm@web30709.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <135457.57418.qm@web30709.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46758F33.6010404@charter.net>

Dick, Have you ever seen the Koul tool? Go to www.koultools.com    I 
have gotten away from the SS braided lines myself. The push lock ones 
work just the same and I have  never had a problem. NASCAR uses them 
because they weigh less. They don't look as cool as the SS ones and are 
not bullet proof but I don't plan on racing in Watts.

Doug Odom in big ditch




Dick J wrote:

>At the risk of somebody saying "Gee, EVERBODY has been doing that for a hundred years.", I think I've discovered a neat little trick for working with braided stainless line.  I noticed that after taping and cutting with a cut-off wheel or dremel, as soon as the tape is removed (or sometimes even before the tape is removed) the ends of the braided wire will start to funnel open like a little velocity stack, making it impossible to get the flared end into the fitting.  
>   
>  This added step will stop the flaring of the braid.  Once you mark your cut, if you smear the area around the cut for about a half inch in each direction with an ample coating of super glue, and let it dry for a minute or two before putting the tape on, you will find that once the tubing is cut and the tape removed, the end will hold it's correct diameter indefinitely. You may not even need to tape it, but I haven't tried that. 
>   
>  If everybody's already been doing this, then just smile and don't say anything so I can feel like I discovered something really cool.   :)  On the other hand, if this is a neat trick that you haven't tried before, I hope it will save you some sweat and pierced finger tips.
>   
>  DickJ
>  In East Texas

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 17 15:41:39 2007
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:41:39 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] count down
References: <014101c7b05a$9e346e90$6401a8c0@Glens>
	<002101c7b09f$f2ee4a60$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<200706171123.1hZWBe6gz3Nl34g0@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c7b128$4d589e50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>

Sitting in line, drinking beer, or visiting like all the rest of you get to 
do. The only difference is I will walk the course at El Mirage.

Bonneville I'll run on Tuesday like I always do and help Dan.

I'll pit away from every one so I don't hear all the bad mouthing of the 
SCTA because of the long slow lines. I have my answer with a smile to 
everyone who complains. "If you weren't here I could move up a spot" :<)



> So if you are not in impound, pushing off or driving......what in the 
> world are you going to do with yourself????
> Skip
>
>
>
> At 10:25 PM 6/16/2007, J.D. Tone wrote:
>>As of today, ready to load into the trailer...But will run July El Mirage
>>first...The roadster has not been on the dirt since May 16, 1999. This 
>>will
>>get me out of impounds and pushing off or driving;  it's where I really
>>belong.
>>I fit my 14 year old grandson in the car today. If he grows 2" more inches
>>he will be perfect.
>>
>>
>> > Just think only 55 days to speed week, are you going to be ready. Keith
>> > you
>> > don't need to answer.
>> > Glen

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 17 16:19:08 2007
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:19:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Cutting and Fitting Braided Stainless Lines
In-Reply-To: <000001c7b112$f8bef3e0$6401a8c0@dim8100>
Message-ID: <199810.43267.qm@web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

3 liter <saltfever at comcast.net> wrote:... ... My concern is that the braided "joint" is partially based on compression and friction. Anything done to lesson these two variables would weaken the joint. Will the glue interface have any effect (good or bad)? 
   
  I thought about that before I put my idea on the list.  When the cyanoacrylate dries, it is actually a crystaline material.  When tightening the collar on the AN fitting, you can hear and feel the crystal shatter at about hard finger pressure on the wrench.  I took the collar back off to check it after tightening all the way and virtually all of the glue had fallen away as dust.  I wouldn't worry about it unless I were using the 2,100 PSI used in aircraft or the 3,500 PSI used in F1 cars.  I'm sure my fuel pump doesn't put out that much.  :)
   
  DickJ

       
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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 17 16:22:57 2007
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:22:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] count down and "Bad Mouthing"
In-Reply-To: <001e01c7b128$4d589e50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <233862.77810.qm@web30709.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

JD, I just don't worry about "bad mouthing".  I totally tune it out and ignore it.  I figure if those guys weren't lucky enough to be there "bad mouthing", they could be at home mowing the lawn and wait for Hot Rod magazine to come out in three months and read about Bonneville instead!  They just don't know how good they've got it!
   
  DickJ
  In East Texas

       
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From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Jun 17 18:47:56 2007
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:47:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] count down
In-Reply-To: <001e01c7b128$4d589e50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
References: <014101c7b05a$9e346e90$6401a8c0@Glens>
	<002101c7b09f$f2ee4a60$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<200706171123.1hZWBe6gz3Nl34g0@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<001e01c7b128$4d589e50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <4675D63C.1040205@wildblue.net>

"If you weren't here I could move up a spot"

I like that JD...



The period I like was 55-65. 
People made enough to race just about anything.
Road Racing, Drags, Circle Track, Hill Climbs, Desert Racing and just 
about anything else
was available to the average back yard car or bike amateur. Creative 
individuals with some
money were seen at Indy.

Motor racing was just a hot bed of innovation.

The only place I see that anymore is LSR events.

Sigh,
Bryan

From b.a.savage at wildblue.net  Sun Jun 17 18:49:48 2007
From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:49:48 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] count down
In-Reply-To: <001e01c7b128$4d589e50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
References: <014101c7b05a$9e346e90$6401a8c0@Glens>
	<002101c7b09f$f2ee4a60$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<200706171123.1hZWBe6gz3Nl34g0@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<001e01c7b128$4d589e50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <4675D6AC.8060406@wildblue.net>

"If you weren't here I could move up a spot"

I like that JD...



The period I like was 55-65. 
Regular people made enough to race in just about any kind of event.
Road Racing, Drags, Circle Track, Hill Climbs, Desert Racing and just 
about anything else
was available to the average back yard car or bike amateur. Creative 
individuals with some
money were seen at Indy.

Motor racing was just a hot bed of innovation.

The only place I see that anymore is LSR events.

Sigh,
Bryan

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 17 21:42:02 2007
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:42:02 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] count down
References: <014101c7b05a$9e346e90$6401a8c0@Glens>
	<002101c7b09f$f2ee4a60$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<200706171123.1hZWBe6gz3Nl34g0@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<001e01c7b128$4d589e50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
	<4675D63C.1040205@wildblue.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c7b15a$a48808a0$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>

You know I might put that on the grille shell of my roadster
----- Original Message ----- 

> "If you weren't here I could move up a spot"
> 
> I like that JD...

From BWANA343 at aol.com  Mon Jun 18 09:27:13 2007
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:27:13 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] count down
Message-ID: <c78.1590b883.33a7fe51@aol.com>

You know I might put that on the grille shell of my roadster
-----  Original Message ----- 

> "If you weren't here I could move up a  spot"
> 
> I like that JD...

Coincidentally Saturday I was at Lime Rock Park CT to crew/cheerlead for my  
nephew in his spec Miata in a SCCA event. I met a NYFD guy racing an old 
Datsun  510 with "KEEP BACK 200 FEET " on his rear bumper. He said it didn't work.
Amazing how hard SCCA tries to level the playing field in these spec  classes 
with restrictor plates, ballast, etc. More amazing how some cars  still drive 
away from the pack on the straights, with all this due  diligence.
I think I'm becoming a racing mother....LOL
Bob, needs more Weekends, W 



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From dmirror3 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 14:25:28 2007
From: dmirror3 at yahoo.com (Dale Krumheuer)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:25:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR  Question,
	Need to cut threads to make a 3/8 bolt
Message-ID: <591739.40511.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

This sounds so eay yet I don't want to buy the wrong size steel rod stock (again). I need to cut thread to fit 3/8" 16. I blundered and bought 3/8 inch stock yet its obviously too large for my die. What size stock should I use ? 
Feeling quite humble,
Dale Krumheuer



  
    Therere no rules of the roadnot even understandings. Craziest is king and the contestants are bold.



       
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Mon Jun 18 16:20:32 2007
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:20:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR  Question,
 Need to cut threads to make  a 3/8 bolt
References: <591739.40511.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000401c7b1f6$e4f57070$6501a8c0@S>

Dale--there are several possibilities here.  But let me step you through the
way I have put coarse threads on 3/8, 7/16 and 1/2" diameter rod when only
simple tools are at hand.

First take the rod to the sander or grinding wheel and grind a shallow taper
(like 10-30 degrees) on it down as far as the minor diameter of the thread
(around 5/15 for your 3/8-16 example)

Next mount the rod vertical as tight aas you can get it in a bench vise
(vertical is important as you will see)

Find a die that is new and sharp.  Preferably a round split die rather than
the solid hex chaser dies.

You'll need a die wrench with a 10 or 12 inch T handle to get good enough
leverage so you can guide and control the cut.

Mount the die in the wrench but don't tighten the set screws any more than
the minimum needed to hole it in place.  That way the split will be open and
the die will cut the least amount of material on the first cut.

Go hunt up some kind of tapping fluid or at least some oil to act as a
cutting fluid.

Now put the die and tap wrench on the tapered end of the rod with the
handles horizontal. Start turning it with both hands pulling equally at
perfect right angles.  It will start cutting and require more torque as you
cut down into the full diameter of the rod.  Try your best to keep the
wrench and your handle pulling even and at right angles.  Brush on some of
your cutting fluid.  If the force suddenly increases as you're turning the
wrench it's likely  a chip is jamming things.  Reverse a half a turn or so
to clear the chip and then go forward again.  If you start to get more deep
threads on one side of the rod and shallow threads on the other slow down
and apply some extra down force with your hand on the side that is cutting
shallow. (No do you see why I said to clamp the rod in the vise vertically?)

After you get a good first cut tighten the die to cut a slightly smaller
diameter and repeat the cut.
It may take a bit of practice to get uniform threads.

Other comments-- You'll have a tough time finding undersize rod stock at the
hardware stores.  This is primarily an industrial item.  Thread rolling
stock for manufacturing 3/8-16 fasteners would be perfect.  If you live in
an industrial city a little digging would probably find you some.  You might
try ebay or hunt for a shop that does speciality thread rolling  for custom
fasteners and see if they have scrap end cuts available.  Most machine shop
tool suppliers including the big mail/internet order outfits like MSC sell
water and oil hardening drill rod.  23/64 diameter O-1 should cost around
$1.50-$2.00/foot and work well for most 3/8-16 fastener applications except
maybe highly torqued engine bolts.

Ed Weldon


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dale Krumheuer" <dmirror3 at yahoo.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR Question,Need to cut threads to make a 3/8
bolt


> This sounds so eay yet I don't want to buy the wrong size steel rod stock
(again). I need to cut thread to fit 3/8" 16. I blundered and bought 3/8
inch stock yet its obviously too large for my die. What size stock should I
use ?
> Dale Krumheuer

From v4gr at rcn.com  Mon Jun 18 16:28:03 2007
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:28:03 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR  Question,
 Need to cut threads to make  a 3/8 bolt
References: <591739.40511.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7b1f7$efb73bf0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Without grabing my Machinery handbook I can say that the major diameter of a 
3/8-16 bolt is about .370. Very close to 3/8. Not sure what is going on..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dale Krumheuer" <dmirror3 at yahoo.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR Question,Need to cut threads to make a 3/8 
bolt


> This sounds so eay yet I don't want to buy the wrong size steel rod stock 
> (again). I need to cut thread to fit 3/8" 16. I blundered and bought 3/8 
> inch stock yet its obviously too large for my die. What size stock should 
> I use ?
> Feeling quite humble,
> Dale Krumheuer
>
>
>
>
>    Therere no rules of the roadnot even understandings. Craziest is 
> king and the contestants are bold.

From saltrat at pahrump.com  Mon Jun 18 19:29:30 2007
From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:29:30 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR  Question,
 Need to cut threads to make   a 3/8 bolt
In-Reply-To: <000601c7b1f7$efb73bf0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <591739.40511.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<000601c7b1f7$efb73bf0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <20070619012937.65A9D187A2D@autox.team.net>

Might try buying 3/8 threaded steel rod and cut it off???
Skip



At 03:28 PM 6/18/2007, Rich Fox wrote:
>Without grabing my Machinery handbook I can say that the major diameter of a
>3/8-16 bolt is about .370. Very close to 3/8. Not sure what is going on..
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dale Krumheuer" <dmirror3 at yahoo.com>
>To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:25 PM
>Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR Question,Need to cut threads to make a 3/8
>bolt
>
>
> > This sounds so eay yet I don't want to buy the wrong size steel rod stock
> > (again). I need to cut thread to fit 3/8" 16. I blundered and bought 3/8
> > inch stock yet its obviously too large for my die. What size stock should
> > I use ?
> > Feeling quite humble,
> > Dale Krumheuer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >    Therere no rules of the roadnot even understandings.Craziest is
> > king and the contestants are bold.
>_______________________________________________
>saltrat at pahrump.com
>
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>
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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Mon Jun 18 19:35:21 2007
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:35:21 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR  Question,
 Need to cut threads to make    a 3/8 bolt
References: <591739.40511.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com><000601c7b1f7$efb73bf0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<20070619012937.65A9D187A2D@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <00c901c7b212$1a713250$6401a8c0@Glens>

I have never had a problem threading standard rod sizes. just add a starting 
taper and go slow and make sure it's cutting straight.
Glen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Skip Higginbotham" <saltrat at pahrump.com>
To: "Rich Fox" <v4gr at rcn.com>; "Dale Krumheuer" <dmirror3 at yahoo.com>; 
<land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Not LSR Question, Need to cut threads to make a 
3/8 bolt


> Might try buying 3/8 threaded steel rod and cut it off???
> Skip

From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon Jun 18 20:03:03 2007
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:03:03 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR  Question,
 Need to cut threads to make   a 3/8 bolt
In-Reply-To: <000601c7b1f7$efb73bf0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
References: <591739.40511.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<000601c7b1f7$efb73bf0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <006101c7b215$f890e050$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Rich;

I think you've pointed out one of the problems; a 3/8-16 bolt thread is not
0.375" major diameter. That would be 100% thread and that would be next to
impossible to mate with a nut at maximum spec thread. Most threaded joints
are somewhat less than 100%-- most thread guides give you a drill size for
tapping a particular thread size and different size drills give you a
different % of thread. Same for threading a rod, the diameter of the rod
determines the % of thread. A taper will definitely help get the die started
but make sure it starts straight!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich Fox
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:28 PM
To: Dale Krumheuer; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Not LSR Question, Need to cut threads to make a
3/8 bolt

Without grabing my Machinery handbook I can say that the major diameter of a

3/8-16 bolt is about .370. Very close to 3/8. Not sure what is going on..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dale Krumheuer" <dmirror3 at yahoo.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR Question,Need to cut threads to make a 3/8 
bolt


> This sounds so eay yet I don't want to buy the wrong size steel rod stock 
> (again). I need to cut thread to fit 3/8" 16. I blundered and bought 3/8 
> inch stock yet its obviously too large for my die. What size stock should 
> I use ?
> Feeling quite humble,
> Dale Krumheuer

From piggy at accessatc.net  Mon Jun 18 21:20:10 2007
From: piggy at accessatc.net (don thigpen)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:20:10 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR  Question,
 Need to cut threads to make    a 3/8 bolt
References: <591739.40511.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com><000601c7b1f7$efb73bf0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<006101c7b215$f890e050$0200a8c0@DBTech>
Message-ID: <001201c7b220$bebbe130$1f7a51d8@your4105e587b6>

a 3/8 bolt thread does have a major diameter of .375 , unless of course you 
have a very low class of fit and even then it is speced at .375 and the nut 
is speced accordingly . please dont put a bolt in my vehicle that is 
undersized as it will not hold its threads , if it is a 3/8 bolt make it 3/8 
, if 1/4 make it 1/4 ,etc . KEEP CHEAP UNDERSIZED FASTENERS ON LAWNMOWERS
if  i had my other puter up i could send you a real nice chart with fits and 
major and minor dia's of bolts and nuts but the other puter is broken

don t
evo power & machine
www.accessatc.net/~piggy
www.snartracing.com
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES..... THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOOD FOR
ANYTHING... BUT THEY STILL BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN YOU PUSH THEM
DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS.

From piggy at accessatc.net  Mon Jun 18 21:27:05 2007
From: piggy at accessatc.net (don thigpen)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:27:05 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR  Question,
 Need to cut threads to make     a 3/8 bolt
References: <591739.40511.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com><000601c7b1f7$efb73bf0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2><006101c7b215$f890e050$0200a8c0@DBTech>
	<001201c7b220$bebbe130$1f7a51d8@your4105e587b6>
Message-ID: <001801c7b221$b5cdd960$1f7a51d8@your4105e587b6>

just a little background on threading
my threading test at machinists school had me make one each bolt in 
1/4,3/8,1/2 and 7/16 and the nuts to fit them on the lathe . the bolt had to 
be the right length , right grip length , and properly threaded and the nuts 
had to have a fine or 3b ( i think thats rite , long time ) fit . the hex 
heads had to be made properly also . i made 100 % on that test unlike some 
others lol.
yes it can be difficult to thread a 3/8 rod with a die but take the advise 
of someone who said to sand or grind a taper on it .he is 100 % correct . 
now if you chuck it up in a lathe ( the die and rod ) it is a piece of cake 
.

don t
evo power & machine
www.accessatc.net/~piggy
www.snartracing.com
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES..... THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOOD FOR
ANYTHING... BUT THEY STILL BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN YOU PUSH THEM
DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS.

From v4gr at rcn.com  Mon Jun 18 22:05:34 2007
From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:05:34 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Not LSR  Question,
 Need to cut threads to make    a 3/8 bolt
References: <591739.40511.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com><000601c7b1f7$efb73bf0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>
	<006101c7b215$f890e050$0200a8c0@DBTech>
	<001201c7b220$bebbe130$1f7a51d8@your4105e587b6>
Message-ID: <000801c7b227$1685bac0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

Yeah that's what it says in the Machinist's Practical Guide. But pull a head 
bolt from a Small block Ford and see if it's really .4375. The one I tried 
wasn't Chrysler rod bolt--.373. Life is sometimes that way. Roller formed 
bolts are rarely at full size in my experience. As long as the pitch 
diameter is correct a few thou. on the OD isn't something to get excited 
about.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "don thigpen" <piggy at accessatc.net>
To: <neil at dbelltech.com>; "'Rich Fox'" <v4gr at rcn.com>; "'Dale Krumheuer'" 
<dmirror3 at yahoo.com>; <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Not LSR Question, Need to cut threads to make a 
3/8 bolt


>a 3/8 bolt thread does have a major diameter of .375 , unless of course you 
>have a very low class of fit and even then it is speced at .375 and the nut 
>is speced accordingly . please dont put a bolt in my vehicle that is 
>undersized as it will not hold its threads , if it is a 3/8 bolt make it 
>3/8 , if 1/4 make it 1/4 ,etc . KEEP CHEAP UNDERSIZED FASTENERS ON 
>LAWNMOWERS
> if  i had my other puter up i could send you a real nice chart with fits 
> and major and minor dia's of bolts and nuts but the other puter is broken
>
> don t
> evo power & machine

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Mon Jun 18 22:21:56 2007
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:21:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] count down
In-Reply-To: <001b01c7b15a$a48808a0$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
References: <014101c7b05a$9e346e90$6401a8c0@Glens><002101c7b09f$f2ee4a60$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf><200706171123.1hZWBe6gz3Nl34g0@mx-pigeons.atl.sa.earthlink.net><001e01c7b128$4d589e50$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf><4675D63C.1040205@wildblue.net>
	<001b01c7b15a$a48808a0$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>
Message-ID: <94658FEBE4E34F1EA383EEAB53249D6F@LMS>

JD---Ont the grille shell---"If you weren't ahead of me I could move 
up."---on the back--I'm here , you can't have this spot!!!!!!
      Sparky
AA/_ L  2211
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.D. Tone" <gmc6power at earthlink.net>
To: "Bryan Savage" <b.a.savage at wildblue.net>
Cc: "landspeed at autox.team.net" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:42 PM 

From Askotto at aol.com  Mon Jun 18 23:07:52 2007
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:07:52 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] count down
Message-ID: <d26.bbf7949.33a8bea8@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/18/2007 10:26:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
sparky.2211 at cox.net writes:

JD---Ont  the grille shell---"If you weren't ahead of me I could move 
up."---on the  back--I'm here , you can't have this spot!!!!!!
Sparky
AA/_ L  2211




Hi Sparky
 
I'm not running my car this year but I'll be there pitting for my buddies  so 
I'm going to be wearing a T shirt that says, "I left my race car home so all  
of you could move up one spot!"
 
That should make me the most popular guy on the salt! LOL
 
Otto



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From BWANA343 at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 20:02:18 2007
From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:02:18 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] count down
Message-ID: <bc0.150ca2cd.33a9e4aa@aol.com>

List....
I mentioned in the previous email I attended Lime Rock Park Saturday for a  
SCCA regional event but I didn't elaborate on other racers there. 
Paul Newman, 82, qualified First in his class and led his group and won,  
wire to wire. Out of the car he looks his age, but in the car, he sure didn't  
resemble anybody his age in my neighborhood. 
Due to the fact he's got 20 years on me, I can count on many more runs  in 
LSR, especially as we don't do turns or have company on our tracks. That's  the 
logic, anyway. 
Now if I only had some of "Newmans Own" Money.......................
Bob W
 



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From kturk at ala.net  Tue Jun 19 21:54:58 2007
From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:54:58 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Chris Harris actually knows how to write too...
Message-ID: <008401c7b2ee$c5ef8dc0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p>

I didn't know this but as well as being one of my hero's here on the List...
Chris is actually a contributor to several magazines in New Zealand ....
mostly associated with the Street rod movement... but he obviously brings his
interest in Land Speed Racing to the fray...

Just got a couple of magazines from down there and Chris does a very nice job
of it...

Thought I'd throw him some kudos' here...

Keith

From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 20 07:47:42 2007
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:47:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Weight
Message-ID: <910982.97231.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Anybody know what the weight of a complete BBC engine is?
   
  DickJ
  In East Texas

       
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From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Wed Jun 20 07:57:39 2007
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:57:39 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Weight
In-Reply-To: <910982.97231.qm@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16425@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

685 according to
http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html

This chart seems to be quoted on most websites.

YMMV . . . .

David in Durango

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dick J
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:48 AM
To: lsr list autox
Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Weight

Anybody know what the weight of a complete BBC engine is?

  DickJ
  In East Texas


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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 20 09:02:26 2007
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:02:26 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] the ultimate pit bike ? NO LSR -oh really ? well
	some...
Message-ID: <BAY135-F38660F11CD53BD24D665C1D9110@phx.gbl>

Hi all,

Please forgive this shameless plug,  but I want to let all my LSR friends 
know that the following items are currently 'at auction' -and for sale.

I'd much rather see them go to m' friends than to strangers.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

#1:   the ultimate pit bike ?   maybe...   the ultimate fun bike?     
maybe...

Gar-unteeed you'll be the 'talk of the town' with this.

No doubtaboutit.

but, but,...  WHAT is it ???

why, its a really rare 1970 Lil' Indian ~'Model 6000'    " maybe THE best 
minibike on the planet "

Featuring 15 foot wheelies, 40+mph, full suspension -front AND rear, -with 
real 'coil-over' shocks, good handling, and more fun than oughta be legal

Its on eBay this week, ending Saturday night:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=200120466925&rd=1,1

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

#2:  Boogie Woogie is for sale too,  -seriously.   Here are links to sites 
it is listed on -and also where many photos of it are posted for viewing;

On www.hotrodhotline.com :

http://www.hotrodhotline.com/classifieds/classifieds.php?a=5&b=208&page=2


On  www.hotrodsforsale.com : to see the ad:

http://www.hotrodsforsale.com/ford/ford/index_ford.htm   -then click on 
1930's link on left and follow its directive.


On www.photobucket.com :

http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f192/boogiewoogie12/?action=view&current=BOOGIEWOOGIEDriveemjpeg.jpg

-and last but not least, there's this teaser taken August 2002 at Williams 
Grove Speedway at around 100mph heading into the 1st turn.  Freddy Rahmer 
won here about 12 hours before in a 410 sprint car. Tommy Hinnerschitz and 
AJ Foyt used to come thru here broadside. I wasn't that brave.

http://www.bakerracingpix.com/BW_at_the_Grove_1st_turn.jpg

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Oh, and of course,

I will pay a handsome 'finders fee' for those who assist me in a confirmed 
sale of either item.

Thank you all for your indulgence,..


  cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" Anderson  in So. New York,

  -18 miles from Square Deal Raceway,
  -20 miles east of Action Park Speedway,
  -50 miles northeast of Champion Speedway
  -105 miles south of "the  Syracuse  Mile" ...
  -265 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway
  -2425 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats
          and never more than a few feet from a cold one


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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 20 15:57:34 2007
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
Message-ID: <332550.53057.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Has anybody on this list had any first-hand experience with chrome and nickel plating?
   
  DickJ
  In East Texas

       
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From jdincau at qnet.com  Wed Jun 20 16:12:43 2007
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:12:43 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
References: <332550.53057.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301c7b388$205f0210$0500000a@Den>

hands on doing it or having it done?
Jim


> Has anybody on this list had any first-hand experience with chrome and 
> nickel plating?
>
>  DickJ
>  In East Texas

From mactem at mebtel.net  Wed Jun 20 17:25:41 2007
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:25:41 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
Message-ID: <008001c7b392$51cd88d0$0200a8c0@brightstar>

Jim,  Stay away from Vanguard Plating. They are outside of Houston and I
had a difficult time with them.
David

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 20 20:09:38 2007
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:09:38 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
In-Reply-To: <332550.53057.qm@web30707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-F30EA6B832E828BD479C7FBD9100@phx.gbl>

    Yah our pal,  BJ in Beantown,..

     and prolly Russ Meeks out in Ory-gon    why ?


  cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in So. New York,

  -18 miles from Square Deal Raceway,
  -20 miles east of Action Park Speedway,
  -50 miles northeast of Champion Speedway
  -105 miles south of "the  Syracuse  Mile" ...
  -265 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway
  -2425 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats
          and never more than a few feet from a cold one




From: Dick J <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
To: lsr list autox <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:57:34 -0700 (PDT)

Has anybody on this list had any first-hand experience with chrome and 
nickel plating?

   DickJ      In East Texas

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From Askotto at aol.com  Wed Jun 20 20:17:08 2007
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:17:08 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
Message-ID: <c95.12b9bc0c.33ab39a4@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/20/2007 6:01:35 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
lsr_man at yahoo.com writes:

Has  anybody on this list had any first-hand experience with chrome and 
nickel  plating?

DickJ
In East  Texas




I"ve had "second hand experience", Dick. 
 
What I know about it is it's all in the preparation, just like paint work.  A 
good plater will sand and polish the metal, give it a quick acid dip followed 
 by a good water rinse/neutralizer. They first plate it with copper, sand and 
 polish it again, Nickel plate it, sand and polish that and finally chrome 
plate  it. The chrome only gets polishing.
 
When something is chromed it makes it brittle. If the part is a critical  
member, get it heat treated after chroming.
 
Also, with the EPA regs these days, finding a plater in the US that does  
small jobs is getting harder. I know there's a plater in Juarez who does  
excellent work, cheap. All the shops in Albuq use him since our plater got  busted 
for housing illegals and Cocane poss. I'll find out the name/number if  you want 
to try the Juarez guy.
 
Otto



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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 20 20:38:05 2007
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:38:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
In-Reply-To: <c95.12b9bc0c.33ab39a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070621023805.14067.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What I'm looking for, specifically, is:  Will muriatic acid, as available from a hardware store, strip nickel and chrome plating from steel.  I want to try bluing an old pistol that has a very bad chrome job.  It's of no real value, it's just something I've always wanted to try, but I've got to get the nickel and chrome (and rust) off this thing before I can try bluing it.
   
  DickJ
   
   

       
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From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed Jun 20 20:53:13 2007
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:53:13 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
References: <20070621023805.14067.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c7b3af$53769ec0$6501a8c0@S>

Dick--
Google search on "chrome plating removal" found the following:
http://www.finishing.com/151/56.shtml
along with various other links to commentaries and sales pitches from people
in the business of plating, camera repairs, motorcycles etc.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick J" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
To: <Askotto at aol.com>
Cc: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Plating


> What I'm looking for, specifically, is:  Will muriatic acid, as available
from a hardware store, strip nickel and chrome plating from steel.  I want
to try bluing an old pistol that has a very bad chrome job.  It's of no real
value, it's just something I've always wanted to try, but I've got to get
the nickel and chrome (and rust) off this thing before I can try bluing it.
>
>   DickJ
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From Askotto at aol.com  Wed Jun 20 20:56:10 2007
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:56:10 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
Message-ID: <bff.19768730.33ab42ca@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/20/2007 8:38:27 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
lsr_man at yahoo.com writes:

What I'm looking for, specifically, is:  Will muriatic acid, as  available 
from a hardware store, strip nickel and chrome plating from  steel.  I want to 
try bluing an old pistol that has a very bad chrome  job.  It's of no real 
value, it's just something I've always wanted to  try, but I've got to get the 
nickel and chrome (and rust) off this thing  before I can try bluing it.
 
DickJ



 
Hi DickJ
 
The platers reverse the DC voltage on the part they want to strip. The  
chrome migrates from the part back to the chrome anode. They do the "sam tang"  for 
the nickel and copper. They do this routinely when they rechrome a part, if  
they do it right..... They would just hang it with their parts they're  
stripping. They should pay you, they end up with the "precious metal". 
 
I don't think Muriatic Acid would touch it unless you dipped it for a few  
years! LOL If it did dissolve it, it would eat the piston up along with  
everything else.
 
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From joyseydevil at comcast.net  Wed Jun 20 21:33:34 2007
From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:33:34 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
Message-ID: <004f01c7b3b4$f2e249f0$563c2544@john>

Dick
Soldering acid (sulfuric?) quickly dissolves chrome . I remember working in 
a body shop when they still used lead . The boss said "clean the dent with 
acid" . Right after I put some on the chrome bumper to see what happened the 
boss said "make sure not to get any on the chrome bumper".
John Burk



> What I'm looking for, specifically, is:  Will muriatic acid, as available 
> from a hardware store, strip nickel and chrome plating from steel.  I want 
> to try bluing an old pistol that has a very bad chrome job.  It's of no 
> real value, it's just something I've always wanted to try, but I've got to 
> get the nickel and chrome (and rust) off this thing before I can try 
> bluing it.
>
>  DickJ

From gary_ellen at msn.com  Wed Jun 20 23:58:11 2007
From: gary_ellen at msn.com (Ellen Wilkinson)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:58:11 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
References: <20070621023805.14067.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-DAV128F489EFED9622416DDA5F9100@phx.gbl>

Dick here is a link 
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/GunTech/NewsletterArchive.aspx?p=0&t=2&i=514
(looks like you will need to cut and paste)
Some friends run www.oldguns.net and have this and some other interesting 
info on there.  Good luck
Ellen
Gary & Ellen Wilkinson
Utah Salt Flats Racing Association
World of Speed Sept. 12 - 15, 2007
www.saltflats.com -See you on the Salt! 

From rjdenton479 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 21 03:33:37 2007
From: rjdenton479 at gmail.com (Robert J. Denton)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 05:33:37 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
In-Reply-To: <20070621023805.14067.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <c95.12b9bc0c.33ab39a4@aol.com>
	<20070621023805.14067.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45ac72e90706210233k5c6ebfdeua77d22eea5998bec@mail.gmail.com>

Dick, I'm a gun collector. Specifically Colt Single Action Army. (cowboy
guns). I went through some stuff for you. Here is the recipe.

Glass container, big enough for the part to be deplated, suggest small parts
only, not bigger than pistol parts.
Batteries, 12 volt, can use two in series,
Cables, insulated with good contact at the copper rods and at the battery.
Copper rods, connect to cables for cathode, lead plate (-) and anode, part
to be deplated (+).
So3, sulphuric acid, one gallon of acid to one quart of water.
ACID IN TANK FIRST, ADD WATER TO THE ACID SLOWLY
All other acids add acid to water base.
Cathode,-(neg) lead to lead weight or sheet with a surface area that equals
or exceed surface of the gun part to be deplated. (can be a lead weight)
Anode, to pos. of battery to gun part to be deplated.
This process will deplate nickel, chrome and cadmium, but not gold or
silver.
Stripping time is from 5 to 10 minutes.
Switch, on-off to prevent spark.

If the acid is not stored in a sealed container, leave room in the
container, (so3) acid absorbs water and will increase the quantity in the
open tank and as a results the solution will be weakened.

As the battery discharges, (water separates H2S04) oxygen and hydrogen is
given off as 2 gases and to reunite a spark is required. When the two gases
ignite, there is an explosion, if this occurs at the battery, the battery
could become a bomb of sorts.
Do not smoke around the battery, do not make sparks when making connections
at the battery.

Safety glasses and gloves, use them.

2 Batteries (12 volt) in series, increases the voltage by 2=24 volts, the
amps decrease if the work to be done stays the same.

Series connection, positive of one battery is connected to negative of other
battery. This leaves two unconnected post, one on each of the batteries, as
a results connecting to the two remaining post makes a circuit. Without a
way of controlling the flow of electrons, it is a dead short and will melt
the wires and could cause the batteries to explode and or cause a fire.


Probably best to get a chrome shop to do it for you.


Bob Denton

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From Want1937hd at aol.com  Thu Jun 21 06:47:37 2007
From: Want1937hd at aol.com (Want1937hd at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:47:37 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
Message-ID: <cd3.138dc252.33abcd69@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/21/07 1:51:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Askotto at aol.com 
writes:

All the shops in Albuq use him since our plater got  busted 
for housing illegals and Cocane poss. I'll find out the name/number if  you 
want 
to try the Juarez guy.

Otto

Chrome shop AND dope dealer???????????? How big a pile of money did that dude 
have? Bob still painting stuff in connecticut



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From Bobbyhotrods at comcast.net  Thu Jun 21 07:13:16 2007
From: Bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (Bobbyhotrods at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:13:16 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
Message-ID: <062120071313.22026.467A796C00001ED50000560A22007601809C0B019D9B0108970D0D01BD@comcast.net>

Finally a topic I know a little about.
Dick, pickel (HCl) will strip the chrome quickly, but not the nickel.
There's only an immeasurable amount of chrome on a "chrome" plating job.
The nickel will be unaffected. The special strip a plater would use is a mess to dispose of legally here; they usualy polish it off.
The "reverse plating" technique Otto mentioned won't work well, a plater won't compromise his tank anyway, and the sulfuric bath Bob Denton found will attack the steel to some degree.
I'm afraid you want to drop back and punt, and send it to a plater with a nickel strip. Forget about pickeling it at all, the flash of chrome won't matter. 
You'll need a nice finish before "bluing", so you might want to find a house that routinely does this gun stuff. My 2 cents. BJ

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 18:47:41 2007
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:47:41 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating   No LSR  (sorta)
In-Reply-To: <20070621023805.14067.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY135-F380128B0AEC2A4C74796C1D9170@phx.gbl>

       I don't think so Dick.  Muraitic will eat rust.  Not plating.

                    -correct me if I'm wrong Bobby....

      you'll have to have the thing 'reverse plated'  to get it off

      BTW:  I don't think ANY guns were ever  'chrome'  plated...  just 
nickled

                                    ( copper plated first then nickled )

      BTW II:  GOOD bluing is boiled.  Not applied out of a bottle....  ;-)

     -you could however, try 'browning' it ...  it would look 'old' and 
patina'ed'    ;- )

             yer ol' pal,  -Doug  -who usta onct uponatime  was a gun -MAKER

  ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

bject: Re: [Land-speed] Plating
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:38:05 -0700 (PDT)

What I'm looking for, specifically, is:  Will muriatic acid, as available 
from a hardware store, strip nickel and chrome plating from steel.  I want 
to try bluing an old pistol that has a very bad chrome job.  It's of no real 
value, it's just something I've always wanted to try, but I've got to get 
the nickel and chrome (and rust) off this thing before I can try bluing it.

   DickJ

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From kd5kzn at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 22 01:09:24 2007
From: kd5kzn at sbcglobal.net (Bow)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:09:24 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] Non-LSR- Things to do around Lancaster CA?
In-Reply-To: <062120071313.22026.467A796C00001ED50000560A22007601809C0B019D9B0108970D0D01BD@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20070622011430.5DD64187C53@autox.team.net>

Hey All,
Looks like I get a fun filled week at Edwards AFB next week and will have a
good amount of time during the day to cruise around.

I know Lancaster isn't far from El Mirage, so I was wondering if you all
have any ideas of cool placing to check out for Hot rod/LSR stuff in the
area, or something like that.

Thanks


Bow

W5EFR


-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Bobbyhotrods at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 08:13
To: Landspeed
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating

Finally a topic I know a little about.
Dick, pickel (HCl) will strip the chrome quickly, but not the nickel.
There's only an immeasurable amount of chrome on a "chrome" plating job.
The nickel will be unaffected. The special strip a plater would use is a
mess to dispose of legally here; they usualy polish it off.
The "reverse plating" technique Otto mentioned won't work well, a plater
won't compromise his tank anyway, and the sulfuric bath Bob Denton found
will attack the steel to some degree.
I'm afraid you want to drop back and punt, and send it to a plater with a
nickel strip. Forget about pickeling it at all, the flash of chrome won't
matter. 
You'll need a nice finish before "bluing", so you might want to find a house
that routinely does this gun stuff. My 2 cents. BJ
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From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 19:16:13 2007
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:16:13 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV128F489EFED9622416DDA5F9100@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY135-F25BEA3831451DDE7C64E89D9170@phx.gbl>

        and Brownell's is THE best there is.....  thanks Gary.

         I allas used their products.


         of course, " your mileage may vary "

     cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in So. New York, --------nthe usta was gun 
-MAKER

        -and yes , hot bluing IS a lot of work.


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From: "Ellen Wilkinson" <gary_ellen at msn.com>
To: "Dick J" <lsr_man at yahoo.com>
CC: autox <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Plating
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:58:11 -0600

Dick here is a link

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/GunTech/NewsletterArchive.aspx?p=0&t=2&i=514
(looks like you will need to cut and paste)

Some friends run www.oldguns.net and have this and some other interesting
info on there.  Good luck


Ellen

Gary & Ellen Wilkinson
Utah Salt Flats Racing Association
World of Speed Sept. 12 - 15, 2007
www.saltflats.com -See you on the Salt!

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From neil at dbelltech.com  Thu Jun 21 19:16:57 2007
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:16:57 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating   No LSR  (sorta)
In-Reply-To: <BAY135-F380128B0AEC2A4C74796C1D9170@phx.gbl>
References: <20070621023805.14067.qmail@web30701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<BAY135-F380128B0AEC2A4C74796C1D9170@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01c701c7b46b$080da200$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Dick;

Research the value of that "old pistol" before you do anything to it. If it
is a collector's item the value will be severely degraded if you do anything
at all to it. Originality is highly prized. Don't do like a woman did to an
old Colt cap & ball revolver-- cleaned it up with steel wool and lost
$$$$$$$$.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ



-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Anderson
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:48 PM
To: lsr_man at yahoo.com; land-speed at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Plating No LSR (sorta)

       I don't think so Dick.  Muraitic will eat rust.  Not plating.

                    -correct me if I'm wrong Bobby....

      you'll have to have the thing 'reverse plated'  to get it off

      BTW:  I don't think ANY guns were ever  'chrome'  plated...  just 
nickled

                                    ( copper plated first then nickled )

      BTW II:  GOOD bluing is boiled.  Not applied out of a bottle....  ;-)

     -you could however, try 'browning' it ...  it would look 'old' and 
patina'ed'    ;- )

             yer ol' pal,  -Doug  -who usta onct uponatime  was a gun -MAKER

  ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````

bject: Re: [Land-speed] Plating
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:38:05 -0700 (PDT)

What I'm looking for, specifically, is:  Will muriatic acid, as available 
from a hardware store, strip nickel and chrome plating from steel.  I want 
to try bluing an old pistol that has a very bad chrome job.  It's of no real

value, it's just something I've always wanted to try, but I've got to get 
the nickel and chrome (and rust) off this thing before I can try bluing it.

   DickJ

From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 20:04:55 2007
From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:04:55 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
In-Reply-To: <062120071313.22026.467A796C00001ED50000560A22007601809C0B019D9B0108970D0D01BD@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAY135-F307B954DCA8D21164B7DEBD9170@phx.gbl>

              veRRRRRRRRy  Inter-Esting       -AND from an expert.


                 Thanks Bob.     I knew you'd come through!


     I know one thing for sure:  polishing gun parts 'rounds off' sharp 
edges.

      Thereby BLOWING any value (or good looks) the piece might have had.

      Besides its VERY labor intensive.  Stripping is the way to do it.   
Somehow.


         " your  PLATING  may vary "

    cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in So. New York,





From: Bobbyhotrods at comcast.net
To: Land-speed at Autox.team.net (Landspeed)
Subject: [Land-speed] Plating
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:13:16 +0000

Finally a topic I know a little about.

Dick, pickel (HCl) will strip the chrome quickly, but not the nickel.

There's only an immeasurable amount of chrome on a "chrome" plating job.

The nickel will be unaffected. The special strip a plater would use is a 
mess to dispose of legally here; they usualy polish it off.

The "reverse plating" technique Otto mentioned won't work well, a plater 
won't compromise his tank anyway, and the sulfuric bath Bob Denton found 
will attack the steel to some degree.
I'm afraid you want to drop back and punt, and send it to a plater with a 
nickel strip. Forget about pickeling it at all, the flash of chrome won't 
matter.

You'll need a nice finish before "bluing", so you might want to find a house 
that routinely does this gun stuff.

My 2 cents.    BJ

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From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri Jun 22 11:02:01 2007
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:02:01 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Maxton
Message-ID: <002f01c7b4ef$0de20c50$6401a8c0@Glens>

Looks like it's hot and humid @ Maxton, chance of thunder showers Sunday, hope
they can get the meet off OK.
Glen

From d.pulju at pahrump.com  Fri Jun 22 14:46:59 2007
From: d.pulju at pahrump.com (Dale H Pulju)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:46:59 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] DD and DJ numbers? Why are they so different? -
 Pontiac Solstice Forum
Message-ID: <000501c7b50e$7b0df3b0$3701000a@Dale>

http://www.solsticeforum.com:80/forum/showthread.php?t=33629

for those math whiz kids

dale
ssuunnyy and going to 95 in Caldwell, id

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri Jun 22 15:45:15 2007
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:45:15 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Space shuttle & LSR
Message-ID: <00ff01c7b516$9f32c100$6401a8c0@Glens>

What a beautiful sight to watch it land again today. It was on TV but the
feelings still there. I worked on the development of some of the SS ducting
when the program started while I was working at Arrowhead products. Only a
small part but I never get tired of seeing the launch and returns.  It just
shows what a great country we live in and what we a capable of.

The same is LSR and the early days of the lakes to the present days that we
look forward to every year, just think in 49 days we will be looking at the
mass at the drivers meeting and wishing we had time to talk to everyone there.
The next best thing is the Bend in the road Sunday gathering for a chance to
meet with the old and new racers.

There is a meet at Maxton this week end and in 3 weeks a lakes meet followed
by speed week in such a short time.
The lack of rooms and hi gas prices have not stopped the racers, all 519
entries from staying home from what we all love. The need for speed.
See ya there.
Glen

From stroker116 at rogers.com  Sat Jun 23 12:56:25 2007
From: stroker116 at rogers.com (Stroker)
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:56:25 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Maxton Update
Message-ID: <00df01c7b5c8$3346c0b0$6400a8c0@acer2e68c49b20>

Trillium Muir just ran a 207.7 for a new "naked" record and what should be her
entry into the "naked 2" club.

Big congrats from a fellow Canadian




~Stroker

From zoombot at cox.net  Mon Jun 25 15:02:37 2007
From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:02:37 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Goodwood LSR pics
Message-ID: <003601c7b76c$290346a0$29486644@HomePC>

    List -

    Some pics from Goodwood's display of salt runners.

    http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2007-goodwood-festival-of-speed-land-speed
-record-cars/

    Enjoy! - Chris Pile aka aircap

From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Mon Jun 25 14:12:13 2007
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:12:13 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Goodwood LSR pics
In-Reply-To: <003601c7b76c$290346a0$29486644@HomePC>
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16444@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Hey !

That isn't "our" salt all over the ground, is it?  (we need that stuff)

David in Durango

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pile,Chris
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 3:03 PM
To: Land Speed Digest
Subject: [Land-speed] Goodwood LSR pics

    List -

    Some pics from Goodwood's display of salt runners.


http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2007-goodwood-festival-of-speed-land-spee
d
-record-cars/

    Enjoy! - Chris Pile aka aircap
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From MPittwood at compuserve.com  Mon Jun 25 14:38:01 2007
From: MPittwood at compuserve.com (MPittwood at compuserve.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:38:01 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Speedy assistance for a British team.
Message-ID: <200706251638_MC3-1-E669-9FAA@compuserve.com>

List

Last weekend I had the chance to meet Al Teague, Jim Travis and Jack
Costella whose cars were on display on the cricket field of Lord March at
the Goodwood Festival of Speed.   I hope we treated the US visitors well,
even though the weather dropped a lot of rain on proceddings.

At the same event a British 'team' - two individuals who have acquired the
MG cars EXF (the little green '97 drive of Terry Kilbourne) and the red
X-15 (the So-Cal built ZT-T Estate Car or Station Wagon) - were describing
how they need some urgent help.  Daniel Nash and Jonathan Suckling are
their names..

Can listers in the Utah/Nevada area guide Daniel and Jonathan to someone
who could/would safel;y garage the X-15 station wagon for the weeks between
Speedweek and World of Speed?

After WoS the car will have to leave the USA for reasons of customs duty
etc, so there is a time limit on the space with no over-run.

Instead of contacting me why not get an e mail to Jonathan Suckling at
js at wilkinsbeaumontsuckling.co.uk

Details of these guys and their plans can be found at
www.landspeedracingmg.com

Thanks in advance for some assistance.

Malcolm Pittwood, Derby, England

From neil at dbelltech.com  Mon Jun 25 16:03:12 2007
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:03:12 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Speedy assistance for a British team.
In-Reply-To: <200706251638_MC3-1-E669-9FAA@compuserve.com>
References: <200706251638_MC3-1-E669-9FAA@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <034801c7b774$9ff2d750$0200a8c0@DBTech>

Malcolm;

Unfortunately I don't live close enough to be of any help but I do look
forward to seeing this privateering MG effort on the salt during Speedweek.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
MPittwood at compuserve.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 1:38 PM
To: Land Speed List
Subject: [Land-speed] Speedy assistance for a British team.

List

Last weekend I had the chance to meet Al Teague, Jim Travis and Jack
Costella whose cars were on display on the cricket field of Lord March at
the Goodwood Festival of Speed.   I hope we treated the US visitors well,
even though the weather dropped a lot of rain on proceddings.

At the same event a British 'team' - two individuals who have acquired the
MG cars EXF (the little green '97 drive of Terry Kilbourne) and the red
X-15 (the So-Cal built ZT-T Estate Car or Station Wagon) - were describing
how they need some urgent help.  Daniel Nash and Jonathan Suckling are
their names..

Can listers in the Utah/Nevada area guide Daniel and Jonathan to someone
who could/would safel;y garage the X-15 station wagon for the weeks between
Speedweek and World of Speed?

After WoS the car will have to leave the USA for reasons of customs duty
etc, so there is a time limit on the space with no over-run.

Instead of contacting me why not get an e mail to Jonathan Suckling at
js at wilkinsbeaumontsuckling.co.uk

Details of these guys and their plans can be found at
www.landspeedracingmg.com

Thanks in advance for some assistance.

Malcolm Pittwood, Derby, England

From MPittwood at compuserve.com  Tue Jun 26 11:47:56 2007
From: MPittwood at compuserve.com (M Pittwood)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:47:56 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Sharing your drive or ride.
Message-ID: <200706261348_MC3-1-E763-3CED@compuserve.com>

Whilst the outcome of the UK Health and Safety Executive crash
investigation into accident of the Vampire jet car with Richard Hammond at
the controls may not directly affect the USA there could be serious lessons
to be learnt.

Do you know how old your new tyres really are?

If you put anyone in your car or on your bike - even just for a single pass
- then if that person is doing it as an employee (they might be a reporter
or journalist writing about the experience) you should read the Health and
Safety Executive report. (www.hse.gov.uk)

With even more litigation in the USA you may have to consider how you have
documented the persons training and familiarisation with controls and the
machines performance.  If they do even one pass, have you a written risk
assessment for the event and track that you are using?

Lots to think about.

Malcolm Pittwood, Derby, England
PS I would hate to think how the HSE would react to a team using 27 year
old LSR tires on their loaned vehicle (if that story was ever true).

From john.szalay at att.net  Tue Jun 26 13:21:02 2007
From: john.szalay at att.net (John Szalay)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:21:02 +0000
Subject: [Land-speed] PSA from downunder (glad it does not apply to LSR)
Message-ID: <062620071921.19020.4681671D000E7B3A00004A4C2160375964970E040E969CD202080106@att.net>

A new Australian ad campaign is seeking to reduce road deaths 
by questioning the manhood of speeding drivers.
The series of TV ads shows women shaking their little finger 
- a gesture used to symbolise a small penis - as speeding male motorists race past.


  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6240288.stm

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 26 13:28:29 2007
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:28:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Land-speed] Sharing your drive or ride.
Message-ID: <10269107.1182886109729.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

-----Original Message-----
>From: M Pittwood <MPittwood at compuserve.com>
>Sent: Jun 26, 2007 10:47 AM
>To: Land Speed List <land-speed at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Land-speed] Sharing your drive or ride.
>
>Whilst the outcome of the UK Health and Safety Executive crash
>investigation into accident of the Vampire jet car with Richard Hammond at
>the controls may not directly affect the USA there could be serious lessons
>to be learnt.
>
>Do you know how old your new tyres really are?
>
>If you put anyone in your car or on your bike - even just for a single pass
>- then if that person is doing it as an employee (they might be a reporter
>or journalist writing about the experience) you should read the Health and
>Safety Executive report. (www.hse.gov.uk)
>
>With even more litigation in the USA you may have to consider how you have
>documented the persons training and familiarisation with controls and the
>machines performance.  If they do even one pass, have you a written risk
>assessment for the event and track that you are using?
>
>Lots to think about.
>
>Malcolm Pittwood, Derby, England
>PS I would hate to think how the HSE would react to a team using 27 year
>old LSR tires on their loaned vehicle (if that story was ever true).
>_______________________________________________
>gmc6power at earthlink.net
>
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>
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From MPittwood at compuserve.com  Tue Jun 26 15:11:07 2007
From: MPittwood at compuserve.com (MPittwood at compuserve.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:11:07 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Richard Hammond
Message-ID: <200706261711_MC3-1-E778-E414@compuserve.com>

Mayf & List

Richard Hammond surivived the crash and within a week was out of the
specialist hospital.  Whilst not an accurate statement the crash
investigators did suggets that this was "a crash that he walked away from".

He is back on Top Gear and other programmes and continuing to write as a
journalist.

Malcolm Pittwood, derby, England.

From d.pulju at pahrump.com  Tue Jun 26 17:33:56 2007
From: d.pulju at pahrump.com (Dale H Pulju)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:33:56 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] =?iso-8859-1?q?Motoring_News_=7C_Bonhams_=A36=2E1-mi?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?llion_Goodwood_sale_sets_record?=
Message-ID: <000501c7b84a$779c6f60$3601000a@Dale>

http://www.easier.com:80/view/News/Motoring/article-123997.html

goodwood sells Seagraves pic selection

dale

From saltfever at comcast.net  Tue Jun 26 18:51:04 2007
From: saltfever at comcast.net (3 liter)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:51:04 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Trans Tail-shaft
Message-ID: <000901c7b855$3d6cf430$6501a8c0@dim8100>

I have been sitting here thinking of my driveshaft spinning 8,000 rpm under
load, for a couple of minutes and wondering (worrying) about that tail-shaft
bushing.  I have a Muncie M-22 (rock crusher) and was wondering how, or if,
you modify the tail-shaft bushing in anyway? I have seen pictures of
tail-shafts for many of the popular trans and they all have a hose clamp
around the bushing area? What is going on with the hose-clamp deal?  Your
thoughts and ideas are requested and welcome :-)   -Elon

From Askotto at aol.com  Tue Jun 26 20:05:17 2007
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:05:17 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Trans Tail-shaft
Message-ID: <c77.148cce99.33b31fdd@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/26/2007 7:47:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
saltfever at comcast.net writes:

I have  been sitting here thinking of my driveshaft spinning 8,000 rpm under
load,  for a couple of minutes and wondering (worrying) about that  tail-shaft
bushing.  I have a Muncie M-22 (rock crusher) and was  wondering how, or if,
you modify the tail-shaft bushing in anyway? I have  seen pictures of
tail-shafts for many of the popular trans and they all  have a hose clamp
around the bushing area? What is going on with the  hose-clamp deal?  Your
thoughts and ideas are requested and welcome  :-)   -Elon




You could go hi-tech and modify your tail housing for a needle roller  
bearing. Cuts friction, maintains better alignment and won't fail.
 
My Nascar tranny has a plain bushing but it has a grease zerk feeding  it.
 
Uhhhhhhhhh, hose clamp around the bushing area??? I've never seen that  but 
that doesn't mean anything. It isn't the muffler type clamp securing the  
shifter mount plate to the tail shaft housing is it.
 
Otto



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From dlodom at charter.net  Tue Jun 26 21:00:25 2007
From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:00:25 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] PSA from downunder (glad it does not apply to LSR)
In-Reply-To: <062620071921.19020.4681671D000E7B3A00004A4C2160375964970E040E969CD202080106@att.net>
References: <062620071921.19020.4681671D000E7B3A00004A4C2160375964970E040E969CD202080106@att.net>
Message-ID: <4681D2C9.4040006@charter.net>

John Szalay wrote:

>A new Australian ad campaign is seeking to reduce road deaths 
>by questioning the manhood of speeding drivers.
>The series of TV ads shows women shaking their little finger 
>- a gesture used to symbolise a small penis - as speeding male motorists race past.
>
>
>  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6240288.stm
>
>
>  
>
Damn, I thought all them good looking women were just flirting with 
me!     LOL
Doug Odom in big ditch ( feeling really small)

From saltfever at comcast.net  Tue Jun 26 21:13:41 2007
From: saltfever at comcast.net (3 liter)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:13:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Trans Tail-shaft
In-Reply-To: <c77.148cce99.33b31fdd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000401c7b869$2a298730$6501a8c0@dim8100>

Otto: In the pictures I have seen; it looks like a standard screw-type hose
clamp. Typically stainless steel with the little worm drive screw and the
"teeth" cut into the band.  I have noticed this on Jerico, Muncie, and
others. It is usually around the very end of the housing, right where the
seal is typically pressed in and the clamp holds nothing. At least from what
I can see.  -Elon



(1) I have seen pictures of tail-shafts for many of the popular trans and
they all have a hose clamp around the bushing area? What is going on with
the hose-clamp deal? -Elon

(2) It isn't the muffler type clamp securing the shifter mount plate to the
tail shaft housing is it.  Otto

From saltfever at comcast.net  Tue Jun 26 21:38:17 2007
From: saltfever at comcast.net (3 liter)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:38:17 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Trans Tail-shaft
Message-ID: <000001c7b86c$99a5b0e0$6501a8c0@dim8100>

Otto: Can rollers really take the abuse in the tail shaft? Have you actually
seen them in there? At 8,000-9,000 rpm of the 2" diameter yoke can you
imagine the speed of the little rollers? Can they get enough lube? It might
work for an 8 second drag race but how about 2-3 minutes of LSR? 

 

Am I doing my math right? At 8,000 rpm the circumference on a 2" diameter
yoke is traveling 4,188 ft/min which is marginally acceptable. But the tiny
1/8" rollers have to go 16 times faster. (The ratio of the circumferences
between 1/8" and 2" diameters is 16:1)  So 16 x 4,188 ft/min is 67,000
ft/min. for the rollers. Yikes!! Or put another way, the tiny rollers
pressing against a 2" diameter object spinning 8,000 rpm have to travel 16
times faster.  8,000 rpm x 16 = 128,000 rpm for the rollers.  Holly cow!!
Can they really do that? That is an incredible rpm.  -Elon

From gmc6power at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 26 22:09:05 2007
From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (J.D. Tone)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:09:05 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Trans Tail-shaft
References: <000901c7b855$3d6cf430$6501a8c0@dim8100>
Message-ID: <001801c7b870$e75761e0$0200a8c0@mydf7618c59bbf>

When I purchased a Tex-Racing trans a few years back I also wondered about 
the hose clamp. My case and tail shaft are aluminum. They have a nice 
selection since the Nascar guys use magnesium. I figured these guys are a 
lot smarter on tranmissions than I so I left it on. I wondered if  it was 
for the OD style which I purchased but with your inquiry I guess they are on 
all of them.

My shortie trans with no tail shaft housing and resplined main shaft has no 
extra bearing or bushing and I have never had a problem with it.


What is going on with the hose-clamp deal?  Your
> thoughts and ideas are requested and welcome :-)   -Elon
> _______________________________________________
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From Askotto at aol.com  Tue Jun 26 22:13:55 2007
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:13:55 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Trans Tail-shaft
Message-ID: <ce5.141cff5c.33b33e03@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/26/2007 9:38:08 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
saltfever at comcast.net writes:

Otto:  Can rollers really take the abuse in the tail shaft? Have you actually
seen  them in there? At 8,000-9,000 rpm of the 2" diameter yoke can you
imagine  the speed of the little rollers? Can they get enough lube? It might
work  for an 8 second drag race but how about 2-3 minutes of LSR?  


I have seen them in a tail housing but it was in a drag tranny. I have  
rollers on the cam bearings in my engine but they of course spin  at half engine 
rpm. I'm sure the engineers on the list could answer the rpm  limits of needle 
roller bearings. The trans has ball bearings that spin at  engine rpm and they 
hold up just fine.
 



Am I doing my math right? At 8,000 rpm the circumference on a  2" diameter
yoke is traveling 4,188 ft/min which is marginally acceptable.  But the tiny
1/8" rollers have to go 16 times faster. (The ratio of the  circumferences
between 1/8" and 2" diameters is 16:1)  So 16 x 4,188  ft/min is 67,000
ft/min. for the rollers. Yikes!! Or put another way, the  tiny rollers
pressing against a 2" diameter object spinning 8,000 rpm have  to travel 16
times faster.  8,000 rpm x 16 = 128,000 rpm for the  rollers.  Holly cow!!
Can they really do that? That is an incredible  rpm.  -Elon
 
128,000 rpm for the rollers! I've told you a million times not to  
exaggerate!!! LOL
 
Otto








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From Askotto at aol.com  Tue Jun 26 22:28:43 2007
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:28:43 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] Trans Tail-shaft
Message-ID: <cfe.10d50bb8.33b3417b@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/26/2007 10:09:16 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
gmc6power at earthlink.net writes:

When I  purchased a Tex-Racing trans a few years back I also wondered about 
the  hose clamp.


 
 
The only thing that makes sense is it's to reinforce the aluminum tail  
housing to prevent yoke wobble from tail housing distortion. Possibly to prevent  
tail housing failure seems as they are cast aluminum??? I wonder if they heat  
the tail housing and "adjust" the clearance of the yoke with the clamp??? I  
know! They put it on there to make everybody wonder why it's there. LOL
 
My Nascar trans is a magnesium Renken (SP?) with a thick tail housing. The  
area where the bushing and seal reside is about 1/2" thick. It didn't have a  
clamp but I bought it used.
 
A quick call to Tex Racing or Jerico will answer the question. I'll bet on  
the reinforcement factor.
 
Otto



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From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Tue Jun 26 23:38:31 2007
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:38:31 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Doins
Message-ID: <03305ED716F54716BB0E0E7778A498E7@LMS>

Waiting on parts!!

Sooo decided to atretch the tounge of my trailer 26"  ---what a job my body
wants to diown me!!!so now the trires rest againts the frt rail... I will be
abl to tie rthwe car down much better. Also have figured out a way to have 48"
enclosed---well mostly---the nose and tail will stick out but the important
stuff is covered  !!!!!!!!!!
      Sparky
AA/_ L  2211

From rjdenton479 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 02:28:51 2007
From: rjdenton479 at gmail.com (Robert J. Denton)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:28:51 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Doins
In-Reply-To: <03305ED716F54716BB0E0E7778A498E7@LMS>
References: <03305ED716F54716BB0E0E7778A498E7@LMS>
Message-ID: <45ac72e90706270128j330c1e5bv61bd0f132ac34560@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, Laddy, does your computer have spell check? This is a great
posting, but what does it say?

Bob D.

On 6/27/07, Sparky <sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:
> Waiting on parts!!
>
> Sooo decided to atretch the tounge of my trailer 26"  ---what a job my body
> wants to diown me!!!so now the trires rest againts the frt rail... I will be
> abl to tie rthwe car down much better. Also have figured out a way to have 48"
> enclosed---well mostly---the nose and tail will stick out but the important
> stuff is covered  !!!!!!!!!!
>       Sparky
> AA/_ L  2211
> _______________________________________________
> rjdenton479 at gmail.com
>
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>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
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From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Wed Jun 27 07:36:44 2007
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:36:44 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Doins
In-Reply-To: <45ac72e90706270128j330c1e5bv61bd0f132ac34560@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16457@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Some folks can type, some can spell.

My guess, anyway.

David in Durango

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert J. Denton
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 2:29 AM
To: Sparky
Cc: AA List
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Doins

Hey, Laddy, does your computer have spell check? This is a great
posting, but what does it say?

Bob D.

On 6/27/07, Sparky <sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:
> Waiting on parts!!
>
> Sooo decided to atretch the tounge of my trailer 26"  ---what a job my
body
> wants to diown me!!!so now the trires rest againts the frt rail... I
will be
> abl to tie rthwe car down much better. Also have figured out a way to
have 48"
> enclosed---well mostly---the nose and tail will stick out but the
important
> stuff is covered  !!!!!!!!!!
>       Sparky
> AA/_ L  2211
> _______________________________________________
> rjdenton479 at gmail.com
>
> Land-speed mailing list
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed
>


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From sardatech at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 27 07:39:54 2007
From: sardatech at yahoo.com (tom sarda)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] clamp
Message-ID: <77668.61979.qm@web50407.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hey everyone,
I build trans and rear ends used in all types of
racing and  here's the deal on the hose clamp on the
tail housing: the clamp is there  in case you need
change the seal, for instance, at the track. the
choice of seals varies depending on availablity. The
seal that comes with the trans has no lip and is
seated in the end of the tailshaft housing. If you
must replace it you may only be able to find a seal
that has a lip on it. the lip extends beyond and cover
over the end of the housing to put it at the right
depth. To help keep it in place you use the hose clamp
to hold half inch by half inch sheet metal "clips" or
straps that you bend over the lip of the seal to
retain it in place. 
As far as the roller bearings in the tail, use them if
you need to. They do require that you use a hardened
slip yoke on the driveshaft. These are expensive,
however. the standard slip yoke is used with bushing
tailshaft housings and must have a zerk for grease.
The bushed tailhousings survive very well at high rpm
(on the order of 9000) as long as you routinely grease
them. The rollers rely on splash oiling from the
grease in the tranny and the grease migrates there via
the mainshaft(output shaft).
 Hope this helps.
Tom

From Askotto at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 09:29:54 2007
From: Askotto at aol.com (Askotto at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:29:54 EDT
Subject: [Land-speed] trans hose clamp
Message-ID: <cca.12debbe4.33b3dc72@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/27/2007 6:36:04 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
BobH at roehrigengineering.com writes:

Being involved with a few nascar teams. The hose clamp usually has a couple
of small  angle ears on it to help keep the seal in the transmission. We made
the  mistake once of leaving it off and half way thru a race the seal came
out.
 That wasnbt a good thing seeing  we were running in second at the time.




Hi Bob

That makes sense!!! My trans didn't have the clamp but the seal was  retained
by 3 small screws holding it in place.

Otto



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From lsr_man at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 27 10:12:51 2007
From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Land-speed] Doins
In-Reply-To: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D16457@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>
Message-ID: <812921.97859.qm@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yeah, but there are also those who can spell AND type, and those who can't spell OR type.  And then, there are always special circumstances that can explain the outcome.  My guess is that Bill was typing in that message with a 1/2" impact wrench in his hand, and everytime he tried to use the space bar, he would accidentally hit the trigger on the impact wrench!
   
  DickJ
  In East Texas

"Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org> wrote:
  Some folks can type, some can spell.

My guess, anyway.

David in Durango
       
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From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org  Wed Jun 27 10:20:22 2007
From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:20:22 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Doins
In-Reply-To: <812921.97859.qm@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DED4A4C1DC044B438FDBC428A339D2D505D1645D@cddgomsx01.durango-co.catholichealth.net>

Bwahahaha, well I never said I could do either.  Especially not at the
same time!



Can't fault him for a little typo, Sparky's always been nice to me, in
spite of the fact that I don't speak GM.



David in Durango

Thankful for refrigerators, stairmasters, spell chek and most anyone
that will tolerate me.



-----Original Message-----
From: Dick J [mailto:lsr_man at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:13 AM
To: Adin, David; Robert J. Denton; Sparky
Cc: AA List
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Doins



Yeah, but there are also those who can spell AND type, and those who
can't spell OR type.  And then, there are always special circumstances
that can explain the outcome.  My guess is that Bill was typing in that
message with a 1/2" impact wrench in his hand, and everytime he tried to
use the space bar, he would accidentally hit the trigger on the impact
wrench!



DickJ

In East Texas

"Adin, David" <DavidAdin at mercydurango.org> wrote:

	Some folks can type, some can spell.

	My guess, anyway.

	David in Durango



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From karhu at california.com  Wed Jun 27 11:10:11 2007
From: karhu at california.com (Benn)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:10:11 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] trans hose clamp
References: <cca.12debbe4.33b3dc72@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c7b8de$05b2c180$6501a8c0@sonic.net>

Sure sounds like the interference fit is insufficient if the seal falls
out...
Benn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Askotto at aol.com>
To: <BobH at roehrigengineering.com>
Cc: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] trans hose clamp


> In a message dated 6/27/2007 6:36:04 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> BobH at roehrigengineering.com writes:
>
> Being involved with a few nascar teams. The hose clamp usually has a
couple
> of small  angle ears on it to help keep the seal in the transmission.
We made
> the  mistake once of leaving it off and half way thru a race the seal
came
> out.
>  That wasnbt a good thing seeing  we were running in second at the
time.
>
>
>
>
> Hi Bob
>
> That makes sense!!! My trans didn't have the clamp but the seal was
retained
> by 3 small screws holding it in place.
>
> Otto

From 23.weldon at comcast.net  Wed Jun 27 19:46:32 2007
From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:46:32 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] trans hose clamp
References: <cca.12debbe4.33b3dc72@aol.com>
	<000e01c7b8de$05b2c180$6501a8c0@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c7b926$2cabc960$6501a8c0@S>

Tailshaft housings are usually cast aluminum that expands 11.7 millionths of
an inch per inch of length (or diameter) for each degree F.  (billet
aluminum is 13)  Ordinary steel is around 8.  That means for every degree in
temperature rise a 3" OD seal will lose 3.7 x 3 = 11 millionths of its press
fit in an aluminum tailshaft housing.  100 degrees; .0011 inches on the
diameter.  At some point the seal will no longer have enough press fit to
resist the combination of loads from shock and vibration, torque on the seal
from friction and internal pressure from the transmission oil pushing
against it.  And note that if the temperatures ever get much above 325
degrees F the aluminum will start to "relax".  But that seems unlikely
because the rubber in the seal will probably start deteriorating first. (I
think).  Also note that if you don't have a clean straight installation of
the seal you may distort its steel case and not have as much press it as you
think.  To me the idea of a couple of retainer tabs on a stainless steel
hose clamp sounds pretty good rather than wasting time trying to "engineer"
some other solution.
Ed Weldon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Benn" <karhu at california.com>
To: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] trans hose clam
> Sure sounds like the interference fit is insufficient if the seal falls
> out... Benn

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Askotto at aol.com>
> To: <BobH at roehrigengineering.com>
> Cc: <land-speed at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] trans hose clamp
> > In a message dated 6/27/2007 6:36:04 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> > BobH at roehrigengineering.com writes:
> > Being involved with a few nascar teams. The hose clamp usually has a
> couple of small  angle ears on it to help keep the seal in the
transmission.

From sparky.2211 at cox.net  Wed Jun 27 23:39:16 2007
From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:39:16 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Doins
In-Reply-To: <45ac72e90706270128j330c1e5bv61bd0f132ac34560@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03305ED716F54716BB0E0E7778A498E7@LMS>
	<45ac72e90706270128j330c1e5bv61bd0f132ac34560@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79AFF1758DA04A5EB4A73EBE8CDCD1AF@LMS>

It said that my BUT was dragging---fatigue was my master--- and my body was 
in full rebellion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Sparky
AA/_ L  2211
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert J. Denton" <rjdenton479 at gmail.com>
To: "Sparky" <sparky.2211 at cox.net>
Cc: "AA List" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Doins


> Hey, Laddy, does your computer have spell check? This is a great
> posting, but what does it say?
> > On 6/27/07, Sparky <sparky.2211 at cox.net> wrote:
>> Waiting on parts!!
> Bob D.
>

>>
>> Sooo 

From Saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Jun 28 13:43:41 2007
From: Saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:43:41 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Mickey Thompson Tires and Rooms.
Message-ID: <20070628194348.BD2CB187BE5@autox.team.net>

List,
I just spoke with Phil Kortokrax, G.M. of M/T Tires and Bonneville 
tires are in production and will deliver in time for this year's races.

Phil mentioned that he and three others from M/T would be attending 
Speedweek but do not have rooms.

Anyone that has extra rooms or knows of someone that isn't going to 
go to Speedweek please call Phil's Secretary, Debi at 330-686-3511.

If at all possible, we need to take care of these guys!!!! If you 
can't get to Debi, call me at 775-751-4944 and I will relay information.

Thanks,
Skip Higginbotham

From Saltrat at pahrump.com  Thu Jun 28 13:45:53 2007
From: Saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:45:53 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Mickey Thompson Tires and Rooms.
Message-ID: <20070628194558.B5092187AA2@autox.team.net>

List,
I just spoke with Phil Kortokrax, G.M. of M/T Tires and Bonneville 
tires are in production and will deliver in time for this year's races.

Phil mentioned that he and three others from M/T would be attending 
Speedweek but do not have rooms.

Anyone that has extra rooms or knows of someone that isn't going to 
go to Speedweek please call Phil's Secretary, Debi at 330-686-3511.

If at all possible, we need to take care of these guys!!!! If you 
can't get to Debi, call me at 775-751-4944 and I will relay information.

Thanks,
Skip Higginbotham

From jdincau at qnet.com  Thu Jun 28 14:23:45 2007
From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:23:45 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Mickey Thompson Tires and Rooms.
References: <20070628194348.BD2CB187BE5@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002901c7b9c2$3ade2720$0500000a@Den>

Skip
     Gee that's good news, I have been calling and leaving messages for 
three weeks and haven't received any return calls.
Jim Dincau


> List,
> I just spoke with Phil Kortokrax, G.M. of M/T Tires and Bonneville
> tires are in production and will deliver in time for this year's races.
>
> Phil mentioned that he and three others from M/T would be attending
> Speedweek but do not have rooms.
>
> Anyone that has extra rooms or knows of someone that isn't going to
> go to Speedweek please call Phil's Secretary, Debi at 330-686-3511.
>
> If at all possible, we need to take care of these guys!!!! If you
> can't get to Debi, call me at 775-751-4944 and I will relay information.
>
> Thanks,
> Skip Higginbotham

From Dale.Clay at mdhelicopters.com  Fri Jun 29 09:02:28 2007
From: Dale.Clay at mdhelicopters.com (Clay, Dale)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:02:28 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Maxton Update
In-Reply-To: <00df01c7b5c8$3346c0b0$6400a8c0@acer2e68c49b20>
References: <00df01c7b5c8$3346c0b0$6400a8c0@acer2e68c49b20>
Message-ID: <AC71AB6270402E4D868235BF4ACACF31017EA006@galileo.internal.mdhelicopters.com>

There's a joke in there somewhere ... :)

Dale Clay


Trillium Muir just ran a 207.7 for a new "naked" record and what should
be her
entry into the "naked 2" club.

Big congrats from a fellow Canadian




~Stroker

From jon at infodestruction.com  Fri Jun 29 11:58:40 2007
From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:58:40 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] Non-lsr -- SoCal area favor wanted
Message-ID: <2FEE3DD9-5601-46AB-8EFB-D5F3F8967C9F@infodestruction.com>

I'm bidding on four spare wheels for my pickup.  The seller is in  
Burbank, CA, and wants more to ship 'em than the price of the  
wheels.  WHOA!  Somebody out there in the northern LA area care to  
visit this guy (assuming I'm the winning bidder -- will know in a  
couple of days), fetch the wheels, and bring 'em to SpeedWeek for  
me?  I'll buy you a hamburger at Salt Talks. . .maybe even a  
refreshment, too.

Thanks.  Let me know...

                 Jon Wennerberg
Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
              Marquette, Michigan
              (that's 'way up north)

From neil at dbelltech.com  Fri Jun 29 12:20:04 2007
From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:20:04 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] Non-lsr -- SoCal area favor wanted
In-Reply-To: <2FEE3DD9-5601-46AB-8EFB-D5F3F8967C9F@infodestruction.com>
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Jon;

I recently shipped four 15" steel American Racing wheels with big tires
mounted to CA by FedEx for about $75. I simply took them to a Kinko's store
that was also a FedEx shipping pick- up point. It wasn't even necessary to
pack them-- they simply put a shipping label one each one and off they went.

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ



-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jon Wennerberg
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Land-Speed List
Subject: [Land-speed] Non-lsr -- SoCal area favor wanted

I'm bidding on four spare wheels for my pickup.  The seller is in  
Burbank, CA, and wants more to ship 'em than the price of the  
wheels.  WHOA!  Somebody out there in the northern LA area care to  
visit this guy (assuming I'm the winning bidder -- will know in a  
couple of days), fetch the wheels, and bring 'em to SpeedWeek for  
me?  I'll buy you a hamburger at Salt Talks. . .maybe even a  
refreshment, too.

Thanks.  Let me know...

                 Jon Wennerberg
Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
              Marquette, Michigan
              (that's 'way up north)

From joetimney at dol.net  Fri Jun 29 14:24:34 2007
From: joetimney at dol.net (Joe Timney)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:24:34 -0500
Subject: [Land-speed] A Lesson in Acceleration
Message-ID: <46856A82.4010101@dol.net>

   A Lesson in Acceleration - first, some useful info:

   * One NHRA Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more 
horsepower than all the cars in the first four rows at the Daytona 500.

   * Under full throttle, a Top Fuel dragster engine consumes 1 gallon 
of nitro methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the 
same rate, but
   with 25% less energy being produced.

   * A stock Dodge 426 Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to 
drive the
   dragster's supercharger.

   * With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on 
overdrive, th e
   fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition.

   * Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

   * At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitro methane the 
flame
   front temperature measures 7050 degrees F.

   * Nitro methane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the
   stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric 
water
   vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

   * Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output 
of an
   arc welder in each cylinder.

   * Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 
way,
   the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust 
valves at
   1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel 
flow.

   * If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro build s 
up in
   the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow
   cylinder heads off the block in pieces (or split the block in half).

   * In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate 
at an
   average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph well before 
half-track, the
   launch acceleration approaches 8G's (most reach over 260 mph by half 
track).

   * Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed 
reading
   this sentence.

   * Top Fuel Engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to 
light.

   * Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions 
under load.

   * The rpm redline is actually quite high at 9500 rpm.

   * The Bottom Line; assuming all the equipment is funded, the crew works
   for free, and if, for once, NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated
   $1,000.00-per-second. The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time 
record is
   4.441 seconds for the quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher).

   * The top speed record is 333.00 mph (533 km/h) as measured over the last
   66' of the run (09/28/03 Doug Kalitta).

   Putting all of this into perspective for you bikers: You are riding the
   average $250,000 Honda MotoGP bike. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel
   dragster is staged and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you
   pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the RC211V 
hard up
   through the gears and blast across the starting line and past the 
dragster
   at an honest 200 mph (293 ft/sec). The 'tree' goes green for both of 
you at
   that moment. The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep 
your wrist
   cranked hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your
   eardrums and within 3 seconds the dragster catches and passes you. He 
beats
   you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just 
passed him.

   Think about it; from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 
200 mph
   and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he 
passed you
   within a mere 1320 foot long race course  (just three city blocks in 
length).

                            That, folks, is acceleration!

From jon at infodestruction.com  Fri Jun 29 14:44:45 2007
From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:44:45 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] A Lesson in Acceleration
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On Jun 29, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Joe Timney wrote:

    A Lesson in Acceleration - first, some useful info:




Yeah, well, so what?  Let me go get Nancy's Subaru and I'll show you  
a thing or two!







Unh, that is, if we can make the run on a snow-covered surface. . .


                 Jon Wennerberg
Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing
              Marquette, Michigan
              (that's 'way up north)

From mactem at mebtel.net  Fri Jun 29 15:52:47 2007
From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:52:47 -0400
Subject: [Land-speed] A Lesson in Acceleration
Message-ID: <007501c7ba97$d506d010$0200a8c0@brightstar>

And when he blast by you think,"Holy S--t!"

From speedtimer at beyondbb.com  Fri Jun 29 15:47:42 2007
From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:47:42 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] A Lesson in Acceleration
References: <007501c7ba97$d506d010$0200a8c0@brightstar>
Message-ID: <008601c7ba97$1f88de40$6401a8c0@Glens>

What's just as amazing is when a blower belt comes off and how quick they 
decell. Just watch the drivers head when it happens. Good reason for a Hans 
type device.
Glen
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From: "Mobley-Anderson" <mactem at mebtel.net>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] A Lesson in Acceleration


> And when he blast by you think,"Holy S--t!"
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From Dale.Clay at mdhelicopters.com  Fri Jun 29 16:22:09 2007
From: Dale.Clay at mdhelicopters.com (Clay, Dale)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:09 -0700
Subject: [Land-speed] A Lesson in Acceleration
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Whenever I go to a big drag meet I like to watch at least one round from
the finish line.  Every time, the first two cars by I want to step back
from the fence ... whoa!

-----Original Message-----
From: land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:land-speed-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Glen Barrett
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:48 PM
To: Mobley-Anderson; LSR
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] A Lesson in Acceleration

What's just as amazing is when a blower belt comes off and how quick
they
decell. Just watch the drivers head when it happens. Good reason for a
Hans
type device.
Glen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mobley-Anderson" <mactem at mebtel.net>
To: "LSR" <land-speed at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: [Land-speed] A Lesson in Acceleration


> And when he blast by you think,"Holy S--t!"
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From zoombot at cox.net  Fri Jun 29 17:22:50 2007
From: zoombot at cox.net (Pile,Chris)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:22:50 -0600
Subject: [Land-speed] Land Speed Slot Cars?
Message-ID: <000d01c7baa4$6982c850$29486644@HomePC>

    List -

    Takes awhile to get there, but eventually the video will come around to
British attempts at slot car LSR.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/29/video-james-may-breaks-land-speed-at-1
-32-scale/

    - Chris Pile aka aircap