From sparky.2211 at cox.net Sat Dec 1 17:20:42 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:20:42 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Message-ID: <74048240B05D41E884AE772EF6FB2B0A@LMS> 5" of rain at my house in north Phoenix in last 30 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sparky AA/_ L 2211 Gear Grinder-SCTA From wester6935 at comcast.net Sat Dec 1 21:41:11 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:41:11 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR In-Reply-To: <74048240B05D41E884AE772EF6FB2B0A@LMS> References: <74048240B05D41E884AE772EF6FB2B0A@LMS> Message-ID: I've shoveled snow twice today. A total of ten inches on the level today, starting about four this morning. We'll take it! We really need the water. Wes On Dec 1, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Sparky wrote: > 5" of rain at my house in north Phoenix in last 30 > hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Sparky > AA/_ L 2211 > Gear Grinder-SCTA > _______________________________________________ > wester6935 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From jon at infodestruction.com Sun Dec 2 08:54:45 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:54:45 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR In-Reply-To: <74048240B05D41E884AE772EF6FB2B0A@LMS> References: <74048240B05D41E884AE772EF6FB2B0A@LMS> Message-ID: <5C22F25F-7370-4D3B-B55D-8C0610844E81@infodestruction.com> On Dec 1, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Sparky wrote: 5" of rain at my house in north Phoenix in last 30 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sparky AA/_ L 2211 Gear Grinder-SCTA I shoveled about 5" of snow from the steps just before Nancy got home last night -- and there were 6-9" awaiting me on those same steps this morning. Ah, it's great -- I dug out the little snowthrower and will play with it when I get home later on, and I'll even get to use the medium-size plow today, too. Boyoboy, this is gonna be fun. Pretty soon it'll be winter. Then I went shopping for a nice Christmas gift for Nancy yesterday -- there's a nice 42" riding mower with 3 1/2" wide snowthrower attachment in the want ads. What a loving gift for my wife, hey? I'll get it tomorrow. If that doesn't speak of true love -- what does? Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From mactem at mebtel.net Sun Dec 2 09:50:47 2007 From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:50:47 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Message-ID: <006201c83503$7d2bb6d0$0300a8c0@brightstar> Jon, riding it yourself is true love. David From ecpurinton at wildblue.net Sun Dec 2 09:54:47 2007 From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR Message-ID: <4752E357.4060806@wildblue.net> Slim, Hope that's a typo and you meant 3 1/2' wide on the thrower. You will be waiting till Spring for Nancy to finish otherwise............. Expecting 6+'' of your leftovers here on the ridge in Western Mass. tonight. Take care, Ed From jon at infodestruction.com Sun Dec 2 10:00:09 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:00:09 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR In-Reply-To: <006201c83503$7d2bb6d0$0300a8c0@brightstar> References: <006201c83503$7d2bb6d0$0300a8c0@brightstar> Message-ID: <1310C4A2-656E-4C32-A4C2-5918C424E454@infodestruction.com> On Dec 2, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Mobley-Anderson wrote: Jon, riding it yourself is true love. David But David, she's really mentioned -- quite a few times -- how she'd enjoy mowing the lawn if we had a riding mower, so who am I to deny her that fun? Realistically speaking -- we only mow a half-dozen times a year anyway, although maybe with a rider we'd do it more often. There's probably an acre of so of lawn, and the rider would make it a lot more fun to do. The riding snowthrower would be nice, although probably more hassle than it's worth -- that is, sitting on an unprotected rider's seat doesn't quite match up to sitting in the cab of my plow truck. I suppose, though, that for the price I'll get the attachment. What the heck -- it's another tool in our snow-removal arsenal. Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Sun Dec 2 10:13:38 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:13:38 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR References: <006201c83503$7d2bb6d0$0300a8c0@brightstar> <1310C4A2-656E-4C32-A4C2-5918C424E454@infodestruction.com> Message-ID: <002a01c83506$ae86e0d0$6401a8c0@Glens> I bought my wife a ride on mower this year an she loves it. She makes me edge the lawns though as she says the weed whacker edger is evil and throws rocks and some times a dog turd. In 35 years she never mowed until this year. Life is good. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Wennerberg" To: "Mobley-Anderson" Cc: "LSR" Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR > On Dec 2, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Mobley-Anderson wrote: > > Jon, riding it yourself is true love. > David > > > > But David, she's really mentioned -- quite a few times -- how she'd > enjoy mowing the lawn if we had a riding mower, so who am I to deny > her that fun? Realistically speaking -- we only mow a half-dozen > times a year anyway, although maybe with a rider we'd do it more > often. There's probably an acre of so of lawn, and the rider would > make it a lot more fun to do. > > The riding snowthrower would be nice, although probably more hassle > than it's worth -- that is, sitting on an unprotected rider's seat > doesn't quite match up to sitting in the cab of my plow truck. I > suppose, though, that for the price I'll get the attachment. What > the heck -- it's another tool in our snow-removal arsenal. > > > Jon Wennerberg > Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing > Marquette, Michigan > (that's 'way up north) > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From wester6935 at comcast.net Sun Dec 2 10:31:02 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:31:02 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR In-Reply-To: <1310C4A2-656E-4C32-A4C2-5918C424E454@infodestruction.com> References: <006201c83503$7d2bb6d0$0300a8c0@brightstar> <1310C4A2-656E-4C32-A4C2-5918C424E454@infodestruction.com> Message-ID: <2B8032DC-0744-4973-AE9F-7DEC768A3136@comcast.net> My everlasting impression of the midwest is the sound and sights of riding mowers. Makes my little areas of carefully nurtured lawn almost pleasant to car for. Glen's wife does a great job at their place. Makes me wonder what it looked like before his knee operation. Wes On Dec 2, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Jon Wennerberg wrote: > On Dec 2, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Mobley-Anderson wrote: > > Jon, riding it yourself is true love. > David > > > > But David, she's really mentioned -- quite a few times -- how she'd > enjoy mowing the lawn if we had a riding mower, so who am I to deny > her that fun? Realistically speaking -- we only mow a half-dozen > times a year anyway, although maybe with a rider we'd do it more > often. There's probably an acre of so of lawn, and the rider would > make it a lot more fun to do. > > The riding snowthrower would be nice, although probably more hassle > than it's worth -- that is, sitting on an unprotected rider's seat > doesn't quite match up to sitting in the cab of my plow truck. I > suppose, though, that for the price I'll get the attachment. What > the heck -- it's another tool in our snow-removal arsenal. > > > Jon Wennerberg > Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing > Marquette, Michigan > (that's 'way up north) > _______________________________________________ > wester6935 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From jon at infodestruction.com Sun Dec 2 10:37:27 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:37:27 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR In-Reply-To: <4752E357.4060806@wildblue.net> References: <4752E357.4060806@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <6C33BBAA-91C2-461C-ACF5-9ABFEFBE86E2@infodestruction.com> On Dec 2, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Ed Purinton wrote: Slim, Hope that's a typo and you meant 3 1/2' wide on the thrower. You will be waiting till Spring for Nancy to finish otherwise............. Expecting 6+'' of your leftovers here on the ridge in Western Mass. tonight. Take care, Ed __ Ooops. I meant to say three and a half feet. The heck of it is, though, that there aren't any "drift cutter" blades -- uprights that extend vertically from the edges of the blower. We commonly will have drifts that are taller than the two feet or so that the auger cage will take -- so those cutters are handy. But yeah, thanks, Ed. I meant 42". Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From ecpurinton at wildblue.net Sun Dec 2 11:01:50 2007 From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:01:50 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR Message-ID: <4752F30E.1030705@wildblue.net> Jon, TOUGH job but someone has to keep an eye on the comma cop. You don't miss much so I just couldn't resist when I saw the chance...... Always wondered if those blades amounted to anything, now I know. Maybe try some on the Ariens if the right size scrap steel comes along. Deeper than 2' and I go for the plow or call in a bucket loader. Fortunately you folks and Buffalo manage to grab most of it before it gets to us. Thinking April in Maxton........... Ed From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Sun Dec 2 12:02:22 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:02:22 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR References: <006201c83503$7d2bb6d0$0300a8c0@brightstar><1310C4A2-656E-4C32-A4C2-5918C424E454@infodestruction.com> <2B8032DC-0744-4973-AE9F-7DEC768A3136@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005201c83515$df43b180$6401a8c0@Glens> Wes I had to teach her how to do it. She does a great job and works hard at everything she works on. She also lets me know I will get the job back in a week or so but that's ok the grass ain't growing right now anyway. The last few mornings it has been frozen, the bird bath is a skating rink and the pond water fall is getting a little ice each night. The good part is it will be near 60 deg. rest of the week with lo 40s at night. The closest snow is 30 miles north and a lot higher. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wester Potter" To: "Jon Wennerberg" Cc: "LSR" Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR > My everlasting impression of the midwest is the sound and sights of > riding mowers. Makes my little areas of carefully nurtured lawn > almost pleasant to car for. Glen's wife does a great job at their > place. Makes me wonder what it looked like before his knee > operation. > > Wes > > On Dec 2, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Jon Wennerberg wrote: > >> On Dec 2, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Mobley-Anderson wrote: >> >> Jon, riding it yourself is true love. >> David >> >> >> >> But David, she's really mentioned -- quite a few times -- how she'd >> enjoy mowing the lawn if we had a riding mower, so who am I to deny >> her that fun? Realistically speaking -- we only mow a half-dozen >> times a year anyway, although maybe with a rider we'd do it more >> often. There's probably an acre of so of lawn, and the rider would >> make it a lot more fun to do. >> >> The riding snowthrower would be nice, although probably more hassle >> than it's worth -- that is, sitting on an unprotected rider's seat >> doesn't quite match up to sitting in the cab of my plow truck. I >> suppose, though, that for the price I'll get the attachment. What >> the heck -- it's another tool in our snow-removal arsenal. >> >> >> Jon Wennerberg >> Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing >> Marquette, Michigan >> (that's 'way up north) >> _______________________________________________ >> wester6935 at comcast.net >> >> Land-speed mailing list >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From jdincau at qnet.com Sun Dec 2 12:55:47 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:55:47 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR References: <006201c83503$7d2bb6d0$0300a8c0@brightstar><1310C4A2-656E-4C32-A4C2-5918C424E454@infodestruction.com> <002a01c83506$ae86e0d0$6401a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: <002b01c8351d$55cef790$0500000a@Den> No se habla "horticulture" I let my wife buy anything she needs to keep the place nice. She enjoys it and I hate it. From: "Glen Barrett" >I bought my wife a ride on mower this year an she loves it. She makes me > edge the lawns though as she says the weed whacker edger is evil and > throws > rocks and some times a dog turd. In 35 years she never mowed until this > year. Life is good. > Glen http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From jdincau at qnet.com Sun Dec 2 13:00:28 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 12:00:28 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR References: <006201c83503$7d2bb6d0$0300a8c0@brightstar><1310C4A2-656E-4C32-A4C2-5918C424E454@infodestruction.com> <2B8032DC-0744-4973-AE9F-7DEC768A3136@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003201c8351d$fca7d3c0$0500000a@Den> The first time I went to the US nationals at IRP there was a guy on a big riding lawn mower cutting the grass around the tank farm next door. I swear the grass grew so fast in the week we were there, that when he finished mowing the whole place he just started over. Jim in Palmdale, where it rained a whole 1/2 inch > My everlasting impression of the midwest is the sound and sights of > riding mowers. Makes my little areas of carefully nurtured lawn > almost pleasant to car for. Glen's wife does a great job at their > place. Makes me wonder what it looked like before his knee > operation. > > Wes From saltfevr at q.com Sun Dec 2 17:06:00 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:06:00 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] non LSR What I want for Christmas. In-Reply-To: <9F3A0797-5713-4910-BAB5-99F9A09A94DE@comcast.net> References: <9F3A0797-5713-4910-BAB5-99F9A09A94DE@comcast.net> Message-ID: All Right Wester; Just 'cause BYU beat the Runnin' Utes 2 nd year in a row, now your on Santa's good side! Shoot, out here in the Magna hinterlands, we're just thankful Ole Saint Nick brings us more salt pellets for the water softener and some coal pellets. Can I exchange our Sams Club membership? Now I know why Costco paid 8million to have a local elem. school moved.(Badwater)Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> From: wester6935 at comcast.net> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:51:08 -0700> Subject: [Land-speed] non LSR What I want for Christmas.> > PLEASE Santa!> > I've really been very good!> > I can pick it up at the factory!> > Wes> > > http://www.costco.com/Browse/ProductSet.aspx?Prodid=11206203&cm_mmc=BCEmail_2 50-_-Focus-_-30-_-UltimateHotRoddersGaragePackage_BCEmail_250> _______________________________________________> saltfevr at q.com> > Land-speed mailing list> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From BWANA343 at aol.com Mon Dec 3 20:19:44 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:19:44 EST Subject: [Land-speed] Deceleration Message-ID: I'd like to advance a subject that's not often considered in this sport, namely braking a vehicle. Basically, is there a formula that considers speed, weight, a drag chute, CD, Tires, etc., and obviously surface to determine a safe distance? Obviously the best answer will be actual experience on the track of choice, but I observed the NHRA shut down areas and see how fast the Top Fuelers and Funnies stop, considering their speed, but this has to do with BHP available, I'd assume. Mayf, single syllable words, please. Bob W **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From wester6935 at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 23:05:08 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:05:08 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: flying wingsuits References: Message-ID: <70FBD9F2-660B-424F-BF63-EF07D432EE08@comcast.net> Begin forwarded message: > From: Garyheiner at aol.com > Date: December 3, 2007 8:48:26 PM MST > To: wester6935 at comcast.net, mccall2 at webtv.net, Jamesmakin at aol.com, tberg at webwest.com > , cuppett at waterpro.net, MervinRSmith at msn.com, > debbiesmarch at hotmail.com, supababedeb at yahoo.co.uk, Djwelker at aol.com, Spoonpat2 at aol.com > , heberhal at mwutah.com, dlcazier at msn.com > Subject: Fwd: (no subject) > > > > > Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top > money wasters of 2007. > > From: Howard Jones > Date: December 3, 2007 8:09:57 PM MST > To: "Garyheiner at aol.com" > > > http://www.biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=4262 > > > Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. > Join in! = From joyseydevil at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 23:34:57 2007 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:34:57 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Deceleration Message-ID: <000301c8363f$caa6d5b0$cc43fd45@john> Bob If you know the Cd and the square ft. of the chute standard the formula for drag : (Cd x .002 [air density at Bonneville] x ft/sec squared x sq. ft. x .5) tells you the drag at any given speed Adding the drag of the car and dividing by the car wt gives the Gs . I'm shure Bob Stroud knows the sq ft and Cd of all his chuted off the top of his head . > I'd like to advance a subject that's not often considered in this sport, > namely braking a vehicle. Basically, is there a formula that considers > speed, > weight, a drag chute, CD, Tires, etc., and obviously surface to determine > a > safe distance? Obviously the best answer will be actual experience on the > track > of choice, but I observed the NHRA shut down areas and see how fast the > Top > Fuelers and Funnies stop, considering their speed, but this has to do > with > BHP available, I'd assume. > Mayf, single syllable words, please. > Bob W From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Tue Dec 4 08:36:26 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:36:26 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Deceleration References: Message-ID: <010301c8368b$6f6a4a50$6401a8c0@Glens> The drag racers have much more development time with their vehicles because most are spec cars. This makes it easier to develop the chutes used. They also have short shut down areas and need to stop a 300 mph car in the distance provided. Land speed vehicle are a different breed and not many alike in the design. The course is a factor as is the speed, the chute design, the tow line length. Only a hand full of chute manufactures are trusted and every year new cars show up with a swap meet or surplus drag chute that is not suitable for the car they are trying to stop. Diest and Stroud have the most experience in LSR chutes and should be the first place a racer looks for information. I see many chute failures each season and several that are not suitable for the vehicle they are trying to stop, usually the chute lifts the car off the ground, or has a short tow line and the chute is in dirty air.etc. Use common sense and talk to the people with the ability to work with your application. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Deceleration > I'd like to advance a subject that's not often considered in this sport, > namely braking a vehicle. Basically, is there a formula that considers > speed, > weight, a drag chute, CD, Tires, etc., and obviously surface to determine > a > safe distance? Obviously the best answer will be actual experience on the > track > of choice, but I observed the NHRA shut down areas and see how fast the > Top > Fuelers and Funnies stop, considering their speed, but this has to do > with > BHP available, I'd assume. > Mayf, single syllable words, please. > Bob W > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From saltracer at awwwsome.com Tue Dec 4 09:40:56 2007 From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:40:56 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Subject: [Land-speed] Art Arfons Message-ID: <47558317.000003.00624@TOM> List, I received the following from a fellow racer, Bob Brissetti. Since I had not seen it on the list, I thought I should forward the news. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/F\CC From: LandSpeed Louise Date: 12/3/2007 10:41:17 PM To: News Alert Subject: Art Arfons RIP Friends of speedy deeds . . . With tears and a halting voice, a member of the Arfons family called me early today to say Art passed into the great speed laboratory in the sky at 4:00AM CST Monday morning. Art will be buried in his fire suit, with wrenches in his hands and J79 jet engine operating manual by his side. Also tucked away with him will be a jar of salt bought home  oh so many years ago. Art Arfons was the epitome of land speed racers  an ordinary guy who chose to do extraordinary things; he never tried to be someone he was not, or weave a facade of celebrity around himself. Arthur always let his deeds speak for themselves. He was my friend, one I did not see too often, but whose passing touches me deeply, the historical foundation of the sport is a bit more hollow tonight. Some speed has gone out of the world today. The likes of which is a pioneering touchstone to honor and remember with gladness. Speedy Regards, "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth Member: Board of Directors/Motor Press Guild, American Auto Racing Writers & Broadcasters, Society of Automotive Historians, Western Automotive Journalists . www.landspeedproductions.biz "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] From kturk at ala.net Tue Dec 4 09:50:26 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:50:26 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Art Arfons References: <47558317.000003.00624@TOM> Message-ID: <0a5901c83695$cdf54750$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> isn't that sad.... God Speed Art... K From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Tue Dec 4 09:52:04 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:52:04 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Art Arfons In-Reply-To: <47558317.000003.00624@TOM> Message-ID: This name was the first "go-faster" I remember doing something different and going really fast - sometime in the mid or late fifties. God speed. -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+davidadin=mercydurango.org at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Bryant Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:41 AM To: Landspeed Subject: [Land-speed] Art Arfons List, I received the following from a fellow racer, Bob Brissetti. Since I had not seen it on the list, I thought I should forward the news. Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/F\CC From: LandSpeed Louise Date: 12/3/2007 10:41:17 PM To: News Alert Subject: Art Arfons RIP Friends of speedy deeds . . . With tears and a halting voice, a member of the Arfons family called me early today to say Art passed into the great speed laboratory in the sky at 4:00AM CST Monday morning. Art will be buried in his fire suit, with wrenches in his hands and J79 jet engine operating manual by his side. Also tucked away with him will be a jar of salt bought home  oh so many years ago. Art Arfons was the epitome of land speed racers  an ordinary guy who chose to do extraordinary things; he never tried to be someone he was not, or weave a facade of celebrity around himself. Arthur always let his deeds speak for themselves. He was my friend, one I did not see too often, but whose passing touches me deeply, the historical foundation of the sport is a bit more hollow tonight. Some speed has gone out of the world today. The likes of which is a pioneering touchstone to honor and remember with gladness. Speedy Regards, "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth Member: Board of Directors/Motor Press Guild, American Auto Racing Writers & Broadcasters, Society of Automotive Historians, Western Automotive Journalists . www.landspeedproductions.biz "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] _______________________________________________ davidadin at mercydurango.org Land-speed mailing list http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From wester6935 at comcast.net Tue Dec 4 10:10:35 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:10:35 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: Lawnmower DUI References: Message-ID: <821BDE99-1256-4376-B381-4992049AC5CD@comcast.net> After the discussion on Sunday about Jon buying a lawnmower for Nancy, this was just too good to not forward. Wes Begin forwarded message: > From: Garyheiner at aol.com > Date: December 4, 2007 9:08:26 AM MST > To: wester6935 at comcast.net, mccall2 at webtv.net, Jamesmakin at aol.com, tberg at webwest.com > , MervinRSmith at msn.com, debbiesmarch at hotmail.com, supababedeb at yahoo.co.uk > , Djwelker at aol.com, Spoonpat2 at aol.com, hjonesy1951 at hotmail.com, heberhal at mwutah.com > , dlcazier at msn.com > Subject: Fwd: FW: Lawnmower DUI > > > > Subject: FW: Lawnmower DUI > Click on the web link, just too funny. > > Lawnmower DUI From karhu at california.com Tue Dec 4 10:20:10 2007 From: karhu at california.com (Benn) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:20:10 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: flying wingsuits References: <70FBD9F2-660B-424F-BF63-EF07D432EE08@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000e01c83699$ec65f460$6801a8c0@BennsDesktop> WOAH!!! WAY, WAY COOL!!! Benn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wester Potter" To: "LAND SPEED LIST" Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 10:05 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Fwd: flying wingsuits > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Garyheiner at aol.com >> Date: December 3, 2007 8:48:26 PM MST >> To: wester6935 at comcast.net, mccall2 at webtv.net, Jamesmakin at aol.com, >> tberg at webwest.com >> , cuppett at waterpro.net, MervinRSmith at msn.com, >> debbiesmarch at hotmail.com, supababedeb at yahoo.co.uk, Djwelker at aol.com, >> Spoonpat2 at aol.com >> , heberhal at mwutah.com, dlcazier at msn.com >> Subject: Fwd: (no subject) >> >> >> >> >> Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top >> money wasters of 2007. >> >> From: Howard Jones >> Date: December 3, 2007 8:09:57 PM MST >> To: "Garyheiner at aol.com" >> >> >> http://www.biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=4262 >> >> >> Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. >> Join in! = > _______________________________________________ > karhu at california.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net Tue Dec 4 10:32:52 2007 From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:32:52 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Art Arfons Message-ID: <120420071732.25179.47558F43000E800C0000625B22135753339C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net> Some years ago I by chance happened to see a film made about Art entitled the Green Monster on PBS . It was electrifying, completely blew me away, and soon thereafter I started on my speedcar such as it is. I'm gonna get off my duff and send the folks that made the film a letter asking that it be made available for sale. Maybe you could too? Like the WFI, it would be appreciated by everyone who saw it for the humanity it portrays. BJ .http://www.matadorrecords.com/greenmonster/ From BWANA343 at aol.com Tue Dec 4 12:08:56 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:08:56 EST Subject: [Land-speed] Art Arfons Message-ID: He was well known for Drag exhibitions and LSR, but I hope some of you got to see his Jet Tractor Puller. I saw him crank up this thing INDOORS, the sound experience alone was worth the price. He was an innovator and a showman, but truly one of the greatest Hot Rodders. Bob W **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From dwright at genetics.utah.edu Tue Dec 4 12:19:55 2007 From: dwright at genetics.utah.edu (Dan Wright) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Deceleration Message-ID: Bob W. I am currently reading an interesting book on the subject. Check out "Parachute Recovery Systems Design Manual" by T.W. Knacke ISBN 0-915516-85-3 It presents theory, and formulas written for those of us who are only moderately technically astute. It deals with exactly the information you asked about. Even if you ultimately acquire your parachute from one of the "Trusted" sources, you will be much better informed on the subject. Dan Wright Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines! Enzo Ferrari From jon at infodestruction.com Tue Dec 4 12:26:22 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:26:22 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Deceleration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <207ADACA-315A-403E-8836-E7EC1D38C867@infodestruction.com> On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Dan Wright wrote: Bob W. I am currently reading an interesting book on the subject. Check out "Parachute Recovery Systems Design Manual" by T.W. Knacke ISBN 0-915516-85-3 It presents theory, and formulas written for those of us who are only moderately technically astute. It deals with exactly the information you asked about. Even if you ultimately acquire your parachute from one of the "Trusted" sources, you will be much better informed on the subject. Dan Wright Oh, please forgive me, Dan, but does the book you mention have a chapter on unintended chute deployment? Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Dec 4 13:50:39 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:50:39 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Deceleration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4755BD9F.4020805@mayfco.com> I am sure that is an interesting book, but when I checked Amazon they had 5 *used* ones starting at *149 bucks*. Think I will pass, who has one to let me borrow, lol... mayf Dan Wright wrote: >Bob W. >I am currently reading an interesting book on the subject. >Check out "Parachute Recovery Systems Design Manual" by T.W. Knacke >ISBN 0-915516-85-3 >It presents theory, and formulas written for those of us who are only >moderately technically astute. >It deals with exactly the information you asked about. >Even if you ultimately acquire your parachute from one of the "Trusted" >sources, you will be much >better informed on the subject. >Dan Wright From dwright at genetics.utah.edu Tue Dec 4 14:09:48 2007 From: dwright at genetics.utah.edu (Dan Wright) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:09:48 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Deceleration In-Reply-To: <4755BD9F.4020805@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Mayf A quick check shows your correct about pricing. Best price I found (used) was $99.95 Original price marked in this one is $49.95. I guess I better appreciate the guy who loaned me this one. It isn't old, first release 1992. It is full of interesting information, but that's a pretty steep price. Dan Wright Its amazing what you can do if you don't know it can't be done. -----Original Message----- From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:51 PM To: Dan Wright Cc: 'land-speed at autox.team.net' Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Deceleration I am sure that is an interesting book, but when I checked Amazon they had 5 *used* ones starting at *149 bucks*. Think I will pass, who has one to let me borrow, lol... mayf Dan Wright wrote: >Bob W. >I am currently reading an interesting book on the subject. >Check out "Parachute Recovery Systems Design Manual" by T.W. Knacke >ISBN 0-915516-85-3 >It presents theory, and formulas written for those of us who are only >moderately technically astute. >It deals with exactly the information you asked about. >Even if you ultimately acquire your parachute from one of the "Trusted" >sources, you will be much >better informed on the subject. >Dan Wright From NT788 at comcast.net Tue Dec 4 15:35:19 2007 From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:35:19 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Message-ID: <120420072235.9667.4755D62700055D48000025C32214756402C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net> The smell of cut grass could be dangerous! Melt icebergs maybe! Jack -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim Dincau" > The first time I went to the US nationals at IRP there was a guy on a > big riding lawn mower cutting the grass around the tank farm next door. I > swear the grass grew so fast in the week we were there, that when he > finished mowing the whole place he just started over. > Jim in Palmdale, where it rained a whole 1/2 inch > > > > > > My everlasting impression of the midwest is the sound and sights of > > riding mowers. Makes my little areas of carefully nurtured lawn > > almost pleasant to car for. Glen's wife does a great job at their > > place. Makes me wonder what it looked like before his knee > > operation. > > > > Wes > _______________________________________________ > nt788 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From saltracer at awwwsome.com Tue Dec 4 17:07:55 2007 From: saltracer at awwwsome.com (Tom Bryant) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:07:55 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Subject: [Land-speed] STOLEN CAR & TRAILER Message-ID: <4755EBDA.00000D.03992@TOM> List, This is something that could happen to any of us. Spread the news.... Bob Brissetti just forwarded this message about Don Hampton's misfortune. Go to the following link for particulars. http://www.hamptonblowers.com/stolen html Tom, Redding CA - #216 D/FCC [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] From saltfever at comcast.net Wed Dec 5 14:04:49 2007 From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:04:49 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Deceleration Message-ID: <000001c83782$79363150$6501a8c0@dim8100> The price of new books are so obscene that college kids are now RENTING them by the semesters! -Elon From: drmayf: . . . I am sure that is an interesting book, but when I checked Amazon they had 5 *used* ones starting at *149 bucks*. Think I will pass, who has one to let me borrow From sparky.2211 at cox.net Thu Dec 6 06:53:41 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:53:41 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Message-ID: <0DB185ACB99848A08790A6B0DEBF4F4A@LMS> please ignore Sparky AA/_ L 2211 Gear Grinder-SCTA From sparky.2211 at cox.net Thu Dec 6 13:13:42 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (sparky.2211) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:13:42 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR Test Message-ID: <4E1119E2F8904D3F812F462FFE3BFC18@LMS> Sparky AA/_ L 2211 Gear Grinder-SCTA From jon at infodestruction.com Fri Dec 7 08:29:41 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:29:41 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Odometer - non-LSR Message-ID: <2AD3D730-57E8-490C-9E21-D652E5BBD1C3@infodestruction.com> Yesterday I witnessed something that I'll bet you none of you have ever done. Never! I was driving my pickup down the road and saw the odometer turn to 140,000 miles. No biggie, hey? Well, maybe -- but this is the THIRD time I've seen it turn to 140,000 miles! I've got an '04 GMC 3/4 ton pickup that had about 147,000 miles on the clock. Around the time we went to Maxton in October I got a letter from GM saying that some of this series of trucks have been developing issues with the instrument cluster -- the gauges go all askew. Sure enough, the next time I drove the truck not a gauge moved, and the odometer showed 98,000 miles. A few weeks later the dealer installed the replacement IC and it showed something like 139,000 when I got it back. I drove it for a couple of weeks, saw it turn to 140,000 again, and also noticed that one of the illuminators behind the speedo didn't work. The dealer said they'd have to replace the whole damn thing to fix that one light bulb/fiber optic -- and when the did that I got an odometer showing 139,xxx miles. So yesterday it turned 140,000 for the third time. If that were real miles, just think -- i'd have over 2 million miles on the truck. That'd be something like 535 round trips to Bonneville from Marquette. Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From john.szalay at att.net Fri Dec 7 13:05:49 2007 From: john.szalay at att.net (John Szalay) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:05:49 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Dec 3 news LSR Message-ID: <120720072005.10135.4759A79D000A89320000279722193100029B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E040E969CD202080106@att.net> Marathon Racing, the parent company of Steve Fossett's World Land Speed Racing Team, today announced the appointment of our good friend "Landspeed" Louise Ann Noeth to Director of Sponsor and Media Relations. http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/12/03/072284.html From RACE427 at aol.com Sat Dec 8 21:29:04 2007 From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:29:04 EST Subject: [Land-speed] Odometer - non-LSR Message-ID: Hi Jon, It is my understanding that you cannot purchase new odometers from GM, what they give you is a re-manufactured unit or repair the unit which is in your car. This repair or re-manufacturing is not done at the dealer but out-sourced to an authorized AC-Delco / Delphi repair facility. These facilities will not repair the units for you directly, the unit must go through your friendly :) GM dealer then to the repair facility. This is also true for CD players, radios and DVD players found in GM cars and trucks. Hope this makes sense? Tony G LI,NY **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Sat Dec 8 22:26:57 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:26:57 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Oil temperature Message-ID: <475B7CA1.3030002@wildblue.net> LIST, FROM: http://www.mobil.com/Australia-English/LCW/Audiences/Synthetic_V_Mineral.asp Mobil 1 Hot Temperature Properties So what value is this at high temperatures? At high temperatures the oil molecule in synthetic oils are far more stable and degenerate less. This means not only do synthetic oils maintain lubrication integrity, they continue to cool and clean engine components at constant temperatures of up to 1800C, and can handle short term temperatures in excess of 2000C. At Bathurst in 2002 when the winning HRT Commodore was running with a blocked radiator inlet the oil temperature rose to above 2000C yet the engine not only survived in perfect condition, it won the race. No wonder the center section of my turbo was always spotless. Bryan FYI... (180C = 356F 200C = 392F) OBTW - My son put M1 0W-40 in his 4.5 KW Honda generator last summer. (I gave it to him) He says it starts much easer when it's cold. (11:00PM and 34 degrees F) From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 06:43:52 2007 From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 13:43:52 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Finally an LSR Question Message-ID: <120920071343.14707.475BF1180006432F0000397322069997359C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net> If a much boosted turbo motor is effectively a motor operating in a deep well, should the valve springs for such a motor be stiffer or not? My motor guy is a whiz but a rookie at boosted stuff; he immediately is adding spring pressure, valve area X boost, for a cam change on a motor built by someone else. I'm not sure he's right about this. Thanks, BJ in the Bean From jon at infodestruction.com Sun Dec 9 07:46:59 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 09:46:59 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Odometer - non-LSR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57813EEB-37E6-4009-9BC9-151E50C4D8EC@infodestruction.com> On Dec 8, 2007, at 11:29 PM, RACE427 at aol.com wrote: Hi Jon, It is my understanding that you cannot purchase new odometers from GM, what they give you is a re-manufactured unit or repair the unit which is in your car. This repair or re-manufacturing is not done at the dealer but out-sourced to an authorized AC-Delco / Delphi repair facility. These facilities will not repair the units for you directly, the unit must go through your friendly :) GM dealer then to the repair facility. This is also true for CD players, radios and DVD players found in GM cars and trucks. Hope this makes sense? Tony G LI,NY Tony, they replaced it under warranty. I don't know if it's virgin or reman -- doesn't matter to me. On this latest one they did set the odo at the dealership -- the display read exactly the same when I picked it up as it had two hours earlier when I dropped it off. As for things like radios and such -- no doubt they outsource the repairs -- but more likely trash the "broken" unit and replace it with new/reman. Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From saltfevr at q.com Sun Dec 9 14:49:26 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:49:26 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Arfons inducted into Hall of Fame Message-ID: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/2007-12-06-hall-of-fame_N.htmScheduled for April, 2008 at Talladega Speedway,. Hope this is some consolation for the Arfons family. Tom ShannonMagna, Utah From saltfevr at q.com Sun Dec 9 14:58:32 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:58:32 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Arfons inducted into Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try this link possibly: http://www.usatoday.com click on Sports,then Hall of Fame storyTom ShannonMagna, Utah> From: saltfevr at q.com> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:49:26 -0700> Subject: [Land-speed] Arfons inducted into Hall of Fame> > http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/2007-12-06-hall-of-fame_N.htmScheduled> for April, 2008 at Talladega Speedway,. Hope this is some consolation for the> Arfons family. Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> _______________________________________________> saltfevr at q.com> > Land-speed mailing list> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From saltfever at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 00:20:30 2007 From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:20:30 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Finally an LSR Question Message-ID: <008401c83afd$2584dba0$6501a8c0@dim8100> Yes, he is right. A 2.02 intake valve plus 15 psi boost needs about 48 lbs to be added when SEATED. -Elon (snip. . . ) he immediately is adding spring pressure, valve area X boost, for a cam change on a motor built by someone else. I'm not sure he's right about this. Thanks, BJ in the Bean From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Dec 10 07:35:11 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:35:11 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. Message-ID: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com> I just received the dash plaques from my top runs in August and October this year. The August Speed Week one has an error in the speed listed. Who do I chat with to get that repaired as that's all that is wrong with it. Speed listed is 75.299 and it should be 175.299. Any help out there? mayf From jon at infodestruction.com Mon Dec 10 07:39:29 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:39:29 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. In-Reply-To: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com> References: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <7C069D21-E452-481A-815A-8B6624CFC26B@infodestruction.com> On Dec 10, 2007, at 9:35 AM, drmayf wrote: I just received the dash plaques from my top runs in August and October this year. The August Speed Week one has an error in the speed listed. Who do I chat with to get that repaired as that's all that is wrong with it. Speed listed is 75.299 and it should be 175.299. Any help out there? mayf Mayf, you go down to Walgreen's or Osco Drug and get some nail polish with a tiny, little brush, and put that one where it ought to be. For a couple of extra bucks you can get the really good stuff and make it a two if you prefer. Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From Jimwprice at aol.com Mon Dec 10 07:55:09 2007 From: Jimwprice at aol.com (Jimwprice at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:55:09 EST Subject: [Land-speed] Maxton question.. Message-ID: I am planning to run at Maxton next year instead of Bonneville. I have been running a Powerglide with no torque converter and without a trans cooler. The trans temp has not been a problem. I am switching to a Turbo 400 with a converter to get an extra gear and eliminate the push start. Do I need a trans cooler on the one mile course? My S 10 has a small block with around 700 hp. It has gone 195 on the long course at Bonneville. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 10 07:57:19 2007 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:57:19 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. In-Reply-To: <7C069D21-E452-481A-815A-8B6624CFC26B@infodestruction.com> References: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com> <7C069D21-E452-481A-815A-8B6624CFC26B@infodestruction.com> Message-ID: Simple, to-the-point. Tidy What more could ask for ? LOL ha ha ha ha ha Gawd, Jon sometimes you amaze me! cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in exile in So. New York, -22 miles from Square Deal Raceway, -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway, -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway -105 miles south of "the Syracuse Mile" ... -265 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway -2225 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats and never more than a few feet from a cold one -'point man' in the never-ending search for Hot Blues, Cold Beer, Fast Cars, an' Warm Willin' Wimin' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > On Dec 10, 2007, at 9:35 AM, drmayf wrote: > > I just received the dash plaques from my top runs in August and October > this year. The August Speed Week one has an error in the speed listed. > Who do I chat with to get that repaired as that's all that is wrong with > it. Speed listed is 75.299 and it should be 175.299. Any help out > there? > > mayf > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > > From: jon at infodestruction.com > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:39:29 -0500 > To: drmayf at mayfco.com > CC: land-speed at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. > Mayf, you go down to Walgreen's or Osco Drug and get some nail polish > with a tiny, little brush, and put that one where it ought to be. > For a couple of extra bucks you can get the really good stuff and > make it a two if you prefer. > > Jon Wennerberg > Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing > Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 From Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com Mon Dec 10 08:20:38 2007 From: Mike.Meierle at alcatel-lucent.com (MEIERLE Mike) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:20:38 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. In-Reply-To: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <7C6E77E36A1EAD4BAD7F02E98294BDB209B1CFBE@USDALSMBS01.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> James Tone is the Man for the Dash plaques... He's on here.... From jdincau at qnet.com Mon Dec 10 08:41:55 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:41:55 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. References: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <001001c83b43$32042840$0500000a@Den> J. D. Tone AKA "jimmy six" on the message board gmc6power at earthlink.net >I just received the dash plaques from my top runs in August and October > this year. The August Speed Week one has an error in the speed listed. > Who do I chat with to get that repaired as that's all that is wrong with > it. Speed listed is 75.299 and it should be 175.299. Any help out there? > > mayf From gmc6power at earthlink.net Mon Dec 10 08:47:51 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:47:51 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. Message-ID: <9646672.1197301672262.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I would look in the rule book for the person. > >I just received the dash plaques from my top runs in August and October >this year. The August Speed Week one has an error in the speed listed. >Who do I chat with to get that repaired as that's all that is wrong with >it. Speed listed is 75.299 and it should be 175.299. Any help out there? > >mayf From kturk at ala.net Mon Dec 10 08:49:28 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:49:28 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. References: <9646672.1197301672262.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00bb01c83b44$461782e0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> isn't his name Jim something.... or was it patrick... ahhh shoot it don't matter...whats a number between friends.... LOL... I'm thinking Larry has gotten the correct infor about 100 times by now... K From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Dec 10 09:31:49 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:31:49 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. References: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <004401c83b4a$2a6e0090$6401a8c0@Glens> Mayf. You can contact J.D.Tone for a new plaque. He is listed in the rule book. He is the one that has them made. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" To: "LSR" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:35 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. >I just received the dash plaques from my top runs in August and October > this year. The August Speed Week one has an error in the speed listed. > Who do I chat with to get that repaired as that's all that is wrong with > it. Speed listed is 75.299 and it should be 175.299. Any help out there? > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From sparky.2211 at cox.net Mon Dec 10 11:02:41 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:02:41 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. References: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <004101c83b56$db611ca0$6d01a8c0@panasonicfb918> Mayf are they picking on you? ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" To: "LSR" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:35 AM From wester6935 at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 11:58:46 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:58:46 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. In-Reply-To: <004101c83b56$db611ca0$6d01a8c0@panasonicfb918> References: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com> <004101c83b56$db611ca0$6d01a8c0@panasonicfb918> Message-ID: From another context but applicable: "Let me count the reasons why!" ... and also out of context: "Analyze This!" Mayf, I know a good engraver ... for a few bucks more. Wes On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Sparky wrote: > Mayf are they picking on you? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "drmayf" > To: "LSR" > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:35 AM > _______________________________________________ > wester6935 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Dec 10 11:59:06 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:59:06 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. References: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com><004101c83b56$db611ca0$6d01a8c0@panasonicfb918> Message-ID: <011301c83b5e$c20f5b10$6401a8c0@Glens> Can he add spinning at speed. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wester Potter" To: "Sparky" Cc: "LSR" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. > From another context but applicable: "Let me count the reasons why!" > ... and also out of context: "Analyze This!" > > Mayf, I know a good engraver ... for a few bucks more. > > Wes > > > On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Sparky wrote: > >> Mayf are they picking on you? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "drmayf" >> To: "LSR" >> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:35 AM >> _______________________________________________ >> wester6935 at comcast.net >> >> Land-speed mailing list >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ed at vetteracing.com Mon Dec 10 14:15:32 2007 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:15:32 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. Message-ID: Maybe you just THOUGHT it should be 100 MPH faster..... Happens to me all the time ;-) Ed >-----Original Message----- >From: Sparky [mailto:sparky.2211 at cox.net] >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:02 AM >To: drmayf at mayfco.com, 'LSR' >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. > >Mayf are they picking on you? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "drmayf" >To: "LSR" >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:35 AM From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Dec 10 14:41:32 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:41:32 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <475DB28C.6090608@mayfco.com> Heck, iffn I thought that I coulda and woulda just added some more numbers. I neeeed only that to which the car is entitled to. I have the timing slip for my records anyway. JD is gonna make me a new one in any case. When I was going sideways a bit it seemed like it was going faster, however.... but that was in October... mayf Ed Van Scoy wrote: > Maybe you just THOUGHT it should be 100 MPH faster..... Happens to me > all the time ;-) > Ed > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sparky [mailto:sparky.2211 at cox.net] > >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:02 AM > >To: drmayf at mayfco.com, 'LSR' > >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. > > > >Mayf are they picking on you? > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "drmayf" > >To: "LSR" > >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:35 AM From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Dec 10 14:52:10 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:52:10 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. In-Reply-To: <011301c83b5e$c20f5b10$6401a8c0@Glens> References: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com><004101c83b56$db611ca0$6d01a8c0@panasonicfb918> <011301c83b5e$c20f5b10$6401a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: <475DB50A.1080006@mayfco.com> I am not sure I could call it spinning at speed! More of a slip and slide as I never ran over the chute tow and it didn't come by my face and wrap around my neck although there are some who were hopin', lol. ANd I was completely through with the run, had passed the 4 mile mark where I had qualified so that was enough. Because the rear end had moved sideways about 3/4 inch., the tow line attach point had moved about 1 1/2 inch from the cg centerline. that was enough that when it hit it pulled the car back to the left and the slip slide was on! Really an experience I do not want to do anymore, lol. I have fixed the problem by making the jam nut and the shaft for the locator link lockwired together. When torqued and lockwired, in two different places that should never ever happen again. The front never went sideways but just a bit because of all that caster in the steering, it was constantly changing directions to keep the wheels pointed forward as bet it could. Glad I did not have my thumbs hooked in the steering wheel! It went one way then the other a couple of times or two. I have also procured a couple of Diamond Racing steel racing wheels for the back end. I found a small pinhole in the weld of one of the aluminum ones which is going to relegate thos ewheels to emergency tow use only. I am also deep into headers. Wow, having a common car where you can buy stuff over the counter has just gotta be fun... Well, enough for today...lunch is ready mayf Glen Barrett wrote: >Can he add spinning at speed. >Glen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wester Potter" >To: "Sparky" >Cc: "LSR" >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:58 AM >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. > > > > >>From another context but applicable: "Let me count the reasons why!" >>... and also out of context: "Analyze This!" >> >>Mayf, I know a good engraver ... for a few bucks more. >> >>Wes >> >> >>On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Sparky wrote: >> >> >> >>>Mayf are they picking on you? >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "drmayf" >>>To: "LSR" >>>Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:35 AM >>>_______________________________________________ >>>wester6935 at comcast.net >>> >>>Land-speed mailing list >>> >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>speedtimer at beyondbb.com >> >>Land-speed mailing list >> >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed >> >> >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Dec 10 15:00:17 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:00:17 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Finally an LSR Question In-Reply-To: <008401c83afd$2584dba0$6501a8c0@dim8100> References: <008401c83afd$2584dba0$6501a8c0@dim8100> Message-ID: <475DB6F1.6000003@mayfco.com> Elon wrote: >Yes, he is right. A 2.02 intake valve plus 15 psi boost needs about 48 lbs >to be added when SEATED. -Elon > >(snip. . . ) he immediately is adding spring pressure, valve area X boost, >for a cam change on a motor built by someone else. I'm not sure he's right >about this. Thanks, BJ in the Bean >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed > > > > > I am sort of ambivalent about this. Here is why. On the intake stroke the vlave is open so no added spring pressure is needed. On the compression stroke, no added spring is required because the cylinder pressure overcomes that. On the exhaust stroke, for a turbo there is pressure in the cylinders even after the stroke is completed, so high possibility that bo added sprng is needed then either. And of course, on the power stroke the chamber/cyliner pressures are fairly high so no added spring is needed then either. So while, I don't think it hurts to add a pound or two to the spring rate, the very short times where valve overlap might occure and need spring pressure increase is really a short timep period. Really short. That's fora turbo car. On a supercharged car, the idea is to remove the burbed junk as rapidly as possible and with as littl eback pressure as you can possibly have. So the end of the exhaust stroke might need some added rate, but the othere seems to pretty much follow the same reasoning? mayf From joyseydevil at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 15:22:23 2007 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:22:23 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. Message-ID: <001a01c83b7b$22f580f0$446b2544@john> You could do a Bob Uecker and use it as is . >I just received the dash plaques from my top runs in August and October > this year. The August Speed Week one has an error in the speed listed. > Who do I chat with to get that repaired as that's all that is wrong with > it. Speed listed is 75.299 and it should be 175.299. Any help out there? > > mayf From ddahlgren at snet.net Mon Dec 10 16:03:24 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:03:24 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Finally an LSR Question In-Reply-To: <475DB6F1.6000003@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <000c01c83b80$decd0550$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Trust me yo need I on the intake side.. You need to raise the seat pressure but not the open pressure or the valve will bounce a lot when it returns to the seat ruining the valve and valve seat and can in extreme cases cup the valve increasing the installed height and ending up with a burned intake valve or explosion in the manifold.. You may not see it but that does not make it not real.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:00 PM To: Elon Cc: land-speed submit Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Finally an LSR Question Elon wrote: > I am sort of ambivalent about this. Here is why. On the intake stroke the vlave is open so no added spring pressure is needed. On the compression stroke, no added spring is required because the cylinder pressure overcomes that. On the exhaust stroke, for a turbo there is pressure in the cylinders even after the stroke is completed, so high possibility that bo added sprng is needed then either. And of course, on the power stroke the chamber/cyliner pressures are fairly high so no added spring is needed then either. So while, I don't think it hurts to add a pound or two to the spring rate, the very short times where valve overlap might occure and need spring pressure increase is really a short timep period. Really short. That's fora turbo car. On a supercharged car, the idea is to remove the burbed junk as rapidly as possible and with as littl eback pressure as you can possibly have. So the end of the exhaust stroke might need some added rate, but the othere seems to pretty much follow the same reasoning? mayf No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Mon Dec 10 19:28:31 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:28:31 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Finally an LSR Question In-Reply-To: <475DB6F1.6000003@mayfco.com> References: <008401c83afd$2584dba0$6501a8c0@dim8100> <475DB6F1.6000003@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <475DF5CF.4040603@wildblue.net> I only see a problem when it's a real racing engine with the cam operating the valve directly and expensive light weight components. Example: A 3L 4 valve V-8 N/A would probably be happy with 20-40 lbs. seat pressure. It doesn't have a big bunch of machinery rattling around trying to bounce a valve open like a SBC. I shimmed my stock Kawasaki valves .040 and that increased the seat pressure to the point that I couldn't open the valves with my fingers. Thumbs - yes, fingers - no. It made me feel better! Max boost was 22-24 PSIG at Bonneville (4216', DA 7500'). Bryan drmayf wrote: > Elon wrote: > > >> Yes, he is right. A 2.02 intake valve plus 15 psi boost needs about 48 lbs >> to be added when SEATED. -Elon >> >> (snip. . . ) he immediately is adding spring pressure, valve area X boost, >> for a cam change on a motor built by someone else. I'm not sure he's right >> about this. Thanks, BJ in the Bean >> _______________________________________________ >> drmayf at mayfco.com >> >> Land-speed mailing list >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed >> >> >> >> >> >> > I am sort of ambivalent about this. Here is why. On the intake stroke > the vlave is open so no added spring pressure is needed. On the > compression stroke, no added spring is required because the cylinder > pressure overcomes that. On the exhaust stroke, for a turbo there is > pressure in the cylinders even after the stroke is completed, so high > possibility that bo added sprng is needed then either. And of course, > on the power stroke the chamber/cyliner pressures are fairly high so no > added spring is needed then either. So while, I don't think it hurts to > add a pound or two to the spring rate, the very short times where valve > overlap might occure and need spring pressure increase is really a short > timep period. Really short. That's fora turbo car. On a supercharged > car, the idea is to remove the burbed junk as rapidly as possible and > with as littl eback pressure as you can possibly have. So the end of the > exhaust stroke might need some added rate, but the othere seems to > pretty much follow the same reasoning? > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > b.a.savage at earthlink.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From saltfever at comcast.net Tue Dec 11 01:28:10 2007 From: saltfever at comcast.net (Elon) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:28:10 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Finally an LSR Question In-Reply-To: <475DB6F1.6000003@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <000001c83bcf$c3e84f70$6501a8c0@dim8100> Mayf . . . always thought provoking :-) Here is my $.02. The intake valve must be seated and SEALED during the entire period of the exhaust flow (overlap accepted). During this time the MAP is at its highest value which lowers seat pressure accordingly. If the intake valve leaks, and exhaust flow can get past it, you have IGNITION! Nowadays, with port EFI it may not be a big deal. But with all the volume in a ROOTS blower, manifold, and intake ports, you have a huge volume of explosive air-fuel! In your turbo set-up the exhaust back pressure is a very small percentage of boost. The delta P lowers your intake seat pressure. Assuming you had 5 psi exhaust back pressure, 15 psi boost and 2.02 valves you probably lowered intake seat pressure 30+ lbs. Maybe a 25% reduction, or more, in seat pressure. The volume efficiency (VE) with any blower varies due to many things but it will be greater than 100%. You are assuming that as the cylinder fills the delta p across the valve will equilibrate with MAP. Then compression takes over and further closes the valve. But such is not the case. As the valves closes to within .030-.060 of its seat, intake flow slows or effectively stops. MAP starts to increase greater than cylinder pressure. Since the valve is still a few thousandths off of its seat, even more crank degrees are needed before compression actually becomes meaningful enough to help seat the valve. At this point the spring is near its stack height and force is at its LOWEST value. You have a condition where MAP is high, there is no compression, and LOW seat pressure. As Dave mentioned, you get valve bounce. With bounce you get loss of effective compression and pounding of everything in the valve train. -Elon I am sort of ambivalent about this. Here is why. On the intake stroke the vlave is open so no added spring pressure is needed. On the compression stroke, no added spring is required because the cylinder pressure overcomes that. (snip . . . ) Mayf From kturk at ala.net Mon Dec 10 11:55:54 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:55:54 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. References: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com> <004101c83b56$db611ca0$6d01a8c0@panasonicfb918> Message-ID: <00f401c83b5e$4ae14120$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> > Mayf are they picking on you? Hmmm..... YEP... Only cause we can of course.... because he's a stationary target and as far as targets of opportunity... he's as good as they get.... Hmmm Bout sums it up... LOL Keith ( 60 days ) From saltfevr at q.com Tue Dec 11 05:26:13 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:26:13 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] (Kinda lsr) HRM New Retro Issue Message-ID: Dated Spring 2008; 98 page 100% Retro Hot Rod Magazine "Deluxe" issue found at WallMart. A little pricey at $6.99. Ok, so theres the 1953 Bville Trophy girl photo, 12 page flathead section, 1957 Santa Ana drags photo,plus 1959 Oakland Roadster Show,and a few Bville shots. Freiburger says it might continue as a quarterly issue. for more go to: http://www.hotrod.com and read about the issue. If it flops, might be a collectors edition..Tom ShannonMagna, Utah From gmc6power at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 07:57:10 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:57:10 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. Message-ID: <32874543.1197385030781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It's amazing that people do not know where they come from when there is a return address on every envelop. KT congrats on the 60......... Dash Plaques.. > >> Mayf are they picking on you? > > >Hmmm..... YEP... Only cause we can of course.... because he's a stationary >target and as far as targets of opportunity... he's as good as they get.... > >Hmmm > >Bout sums it up... LOL > >Keith ( 60 days ) >_______________________________________________ From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Dec 11 08:56:05 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:56:05 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. In-Reply-To: <32874543.1197385030781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <32874543.1197385030781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <475EB315.6070902@mayfco.com> Well, thank you both! JD, I knew you mailed the dash plaques for the very reason you state. Your return was on the envelope. Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, I am not stupid. But with the SCTA and it's age old ingrown bureaucracy, it is hard to tell who actually does what. I know that you get the data from somewhere and that you somehow validate it and then maybe you get them made and then returned to you. For all I know the data you got was in error and needed to be fixed somewhere else. When I sent the note out, I was kinda hoping that you would just step up to the plate and say that you would look into it. Nope I get some sarcastic bullshit from you about look in the rule book to find the name of the guy who does it. A simple I'll fix it was all that was required. I even replied to you directly trying to throw out an olive branch but I see that was rejected. Ok by me. Now, Keith, what does a stationary target mean to you in my regards? That I am not a doer or a mover and shaker? Or what? I am really curious as to what you really meant by the comment below. Are the non stationary targets the SCTA folk or the ECTA folk or? Are they the really fast folk? Or the membership folk. Who are the rest of us stationary targets? I don't really profess to be anybody in this sport except to be one of the little guys who helps pay the freight so the rest of you can enjoy doing what you do. Hell, if I am not welcome anymore then it really is easy enough to keep me home. Just tell me you don't want me to participate and I'll be done, 86 me, lol. I can find another way to scratch my itch for the Sunbeam. I'm done now. Back to being stationary and quiet. mayf James Tone wrote: >It's amazing that people do not know where they come from when there is a return address on every envelop. KT congrats on the 60......... > > Dash Plaques.. > > >>>Mayf are they picking on you? >>> >>> >>Hmmm..... YEP... Only cause we can of course.... because he's a stationary >>target and as far as targets of opportunity... he's as good as they get.... >> >>Hmmm >> >>Bout sums it up... LOL >> >>Keith ( 60 days ) >>_______________________________________________ >> >> >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From 23.weldon at comcast.net Tue Dec 11 10:17:54 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:17:54 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Target asset value References: <475D4E9F.2060408@mayfco.com><004101c83b56$db611ca0$6d01a8c0@panasonicfb918> <00f401c83b5e$4ae14120$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <001f01c83c19$c72be210$6401a8c0@S> Class "A" qualifiers: (fast company) KT, Mayf, ddahlgren, Glen, JD, ....... Class "B"......too many to list........ Ed Weldon(mostly lurking these days) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: "Sparky" ; ; "LSR" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. > > Mayf are they picking on you? > Hmmm..... YEP... Only cause we can of course.... because he's a stationary > target and as far as targets of opportunity... he's as good as they get.... > Hmmm > Bout sums it up... LOL > Keith ( 60 days ) From gmc6power at earthlink.net Tue Dec 11 11:17:15 2007 From: gmc6power at earthlink.net (James Tone) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:17:15 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Land-speed] Dash Plaques.. Message-ID: <15247714.1197397035259.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> When I sent the note out, I was kinda hoping that you >would just step up to the plate and say that you would look into it. >Nope I get some sarcastic bullshit from you about look in the rule book >to find the name of the guy who does it. A simple I'll fix it was all >that was required. I even replied to you directly trying to throw out >an olive branch but I see that was rejected. Ok by me. I sent out the first message they way I did so those using this site would know to go to the rule book. The second message was to look their envelop they would know who to look up. I send out over 600 tags for Bonneville and more than that for El Mirage not counting the personal requests. The shop where the work is done does make mistakes; some on the info I give them and some on their own. The only thing I look at when sending them is the vehicle number so it matches the number on the envelop addresses given to me by another volunteer so I no longer need to write them out. The record certs take a lot longer and have yet to go out. Many are probably wondering why they haven't got them while they already have the blues they have earned. It's just timing. I responded PERSONALLY that I would take care of the error on your tag and infact it has been added to the next group to go into the engravers. I believe you are way too sensitive to what is said here. When I replied to my return address on the envelop you obviously took it personally eventho the only person on theis site who was listed personal was KT and that was to congratulate him on his 60 days. I have no idea why you feel an olive branch is needed and why you are mentioning it hear when it was in a response to only me. I choose not to respond to it. Don't take offense; but if you have, there is nothing I can do about it. I'm sure I will get more duplicate requests and errors. It is inevitable like incomplete addresses. I still have returned ones for the last 3 years which I take to Bonneville every year. Sorry for the rant. I don't think I broght it on, did I?...............JD From SCowle at mentorcollege.edu Tue Dec 11 11:26:25 2007 From: SCowle at mentorcollege.edu (Scott Cowle) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:26:25 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Racin 2008 Message-ID: <475E90010200003800005D18@gw.mentorcollege.edu> Well I've got good news and some bad news.I sat down with my wife and we decided that with the package I've designed for myself to race with, I'm going to give it one more go-hopefully for next year.It has been my ambition to get my Duster over 180mph while still being street legal. I've pulled the tranny this weekend and I'll yank the motor over Christmas but the cost of having broken three years in a row is taking its toll.So I'm gonna rebuild that big block one more time, update the safety stuff on the car-for real this time- and come back next year loaded for bear. If I crap out again then I'll have to figure out a different way to play. Everyone have a great Chritmas holiday, Happy New Year. Send a card to a soldier overseas so he/she can enjoy a little spirit too.The Canadians in Afghanistan are giving the Taliban Hell even as I write this-I have friends there, its gonna be na lousy Christmas for them.. Scott ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication may contain confidential or privileged proprietary material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, or distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, or authorized to receive the information from the recipient, please contact the sender by email and delete all copies of this message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- <<>> From jon at infodestruction.com Tue Dec 11 11:49:06 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:49:06 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Attn: John Szalay (non-LSR) Message-ID: <4B28B0E0-D247-4B0F-A250-6CF60791A2A2@infodestruction.com> I'm attempting to email John, and the addy I've got in the iMac doesn't work. Anybody got his correct address? John, if you're out there -- what's your correct one? I want to send a note to you -- didn't find you in the members section of landracing.com, either. Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From nt788 at comcast.net Tue Dec 11 13:23:36 2007 From: nt788 at comcast.net (nt788 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:23:36 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Oil temperature Message-ID: <121120072023.16992.475EF1C8000E4DF7000042602215551724C8C8C99B02@comcast.net> Some drag racers run loose clearances with non synthetic oil, for cushioning! How about that? Jack -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bryan Savage > LIST, > > > FROM: > http://www.mobil.com/Australia-English/LCW/Audiences/Synthetic_V_Mineral.asp > > > Mobil 1 Hot Temperature Properties > > So what value is this at high temperatures? At high temperatures the oil > molecule in synthetic oils are far more stable and degenerate less. This > means not only do synthetic oils maintain lubrication integrity, they > continue to cool and clean engine components at constant temperatures of > up to 1800C, and can handle short term temperatures in excess of 2000C. > > At Bathurst in 2002 when the winning HRT Commodore was running with a > blocked radiator inlet the oil temperature rose to above 2000C yet the > engine not only survived in perfect condition, it won the race. > > > No wonder the center section of my turbo was always spotless. > Bryan > > FYI... (180C = 356F 200C = 392F) > > OBTW - My son put M1 0W-40 in his 4.5 KW Honda generator last summer. > (I gave it to him) > He says it starts much easer when it's cold. (11:00PM and 34 degrees F) > _______________________________________________ > nt788 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From yesford at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 11 13:52:16 2007 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:52:16 +1300 Subject: [Land-speed] Oil temperature References: <121120072023.16992.475EF1C8000E4DF7000042602215551724C8C8C99B02@comcast.net> Message-ID: <572A5263EA1747479CCD3E0A1D617E91@ChrisHarrisPC> Some drag racers run loose clearances with non synthetic oil, for cushioning! How about that? Jack Sounds plausible for nitro that explodes, wouldn't want that extra oil windage in any other combo though. Chris H........NZed. From td at twinjugs.com Tue Dec 11 15:59:51 2007 From: td at twinjugs.com (Todd) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:59:51 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] (Kinda lsr) HRM New Retro Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071211225510.M8732@twinjugs.com> Awesome rag Tom, I picked it up last week! Lotsa pics and little yappin, my kinda mag! Todd > Dated Spring 2008; > 98 page 100% Retro Hot Rod Magazine "Deluxe" issue found at WallMart. From ifixmgs at cox.net Tue Dec 11 18:17:04 2007 From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:17:04 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] (Kinda lsr) HRM New Retro Issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071211201704.DMEYN.81535.root@eastrmwml28> I really liked the HR Deluxe issue (which I read cover to cover while my wife was shopping for something that she didn't want me to see, then felt guilty for stealing intellectual property so I bought it... It warps my sense of time seeing a Spring 08 magazine before the first snow even gets here. Kind of like walking into Sears in the dead of August and finding long johns on sale when all you want is a pair of shorts. Now, about oogling the B'ville queen - she's what, 74, 75 now.... creepy... Mark C at the edge of the Great Dismal Swamp Chesapeake VA From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Tue Dec 11 18:25:07 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:25:07 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] (Kinda lsr) HRM New Retro Issue References: <20071211201704.DMEYN.81535.root@eastrmwml28> Message-ID: <003101c83c5d$d8290090$6401a8c0@Glens> Careful how you talk about those old queens, some of us probably know her. Old Guy in Utah. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "TOM M SHANNON" ; Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] (Kinda lsr) HRM New Retro Issue >I really liked the HR Deluxe issue (which I read cover to cover while my >wife was shopping for something that she didn't want me to see, then felt >guilty for stealing intellectual property so I bought it... It warps my >sense of time seeing a Spring 08 magazine before the first snow even gets >here. Kind of like walking into Sears in the dead of August and finding >long johns on sale when all you want is a pair of shorts. Now, about >oogling the B'ville queen - she's what, 74, 75 now.... creepy... > > Mark C at the edge of the Great Dismal Swamp > Chesapeake VA > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From wester6935 at comcast.net Tue Dec 11 18:49:08 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:49:08 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] (Kinda lsr) HRM New Retro Issue In-Reply-To: <20071211201704.DMEYN.81535.root@eastrmwml28> References: <20071211201704.DMEYN.81535.root@eastrmwml28> Message-ID: <742EC9C2-00C8-405B-A5C5-EC3B56EFFB77@comcast.net> But those great juvenile memories! You could get turned on by the bumper guards on a Cadillac! Wes On Dec 11, 2007, at 6:17 PM, wrote: > I really liked the HR Deluxe issue (which I read cover to cover > while my wife was shopping for something that she didn't want me to > see, then felt guilty for stealing intellectual property so I > bought it... It warps my sense of time seeing a Spring 08 > magazine before the first snow even gets here. Kind of like walking > into Sears in the dead of August and finding long johns on sale when > all you want is a pair of shorts. Now, about oogling the B'ville > queen - she's what, 74, 75 now.... creepy... > > Mark C at the edge of the Great Dismal Swamp > Chesapeake VA > _______________________________________________ > wester6935 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ifixmgs at cox.net Tue Dec 11 19:37:28 2007 From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:37:28 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Non-LSR Caddy Bumpers etc... In-Reply-To: <742EC9C2-00C8-405B-A5C5-EC3B56EFFB77@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20071211213728.IKB6E.82468.root@eastrmwml28> Wes - Speaking of juvenile memories - I was reminiscing with an old high school buddy when the subject came around to a girl we grew up with - she was as drop dead gorgeous as any female on the planet. I allowed that since I haven't seen her since the day she came home from college for her 19th birthday, maybe she still looks exactly the same - you know - frozen in time like that mythical split window '63 in old man Thompsons barn.... He commented that he'd just seen her a few weeks ago, and that she was a real barn-find, alright Oh, yeah, and they didn't call them Caddy bumpers "Dagmar's" for nothin'.... Mark C ---- Wester Potter wrote: > But those great juvenile memories! You could get turned on by the > bumper guards on a Cadillac! From RACE427 at aol.com Tue Dec 11 19:46:35 2007 From: RACE427 at aol.com (RACE427 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:46:35 EST Subject: [Land-speed] (Kinda lsr) HRM New Retro Issue Message-ID: if not the bumpers, the headlights will surely grab you !!! LOL **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From kturk at ala.net Wed Dec 12 02:37:50 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:37:50 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Targets... References: <32874543.1197385030781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <475EB315.6070902@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <02e201c83ca2$aadae5a0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Here's my world... it's not real fancy.. Ya got two kinds of targets each further broken down into two categorys... Pre-planned targets... dictated from higher in a briefing and on your target list... Targets of opportunity... things that pop up in the gun sites... look like fun and generally cause you the most grief during your debrief and court martial. All targets of any nature can be Moving or Sationary... Moving targets involve lots of thought... Projectile drift, Trajactory shift, Porjectile Jump,.... so on and so forth... and constitute a real pain in the ass to hit.... but give high scores in during the debrief of the gun tapes... ( think lots of high fiving and stuff like that ... mostly childish Pilot stuff... puffing out of chests and junk ... you get the idea )( Think: BIG watch, needle dick, looking for a place to write a check ) Now Stationary targets... they are easy... not much thought involved... and a stationary target of opportunity... well it's just one of those things that WAY to easy not to pass up... .... So I get this e-mail about a plaque that's obviously a mistake... Here is a target of opportunity... See I poke fun at my friends... and since your my friend...well ... there you go... Your now a target ... and in this case a target of opportunity... cause I sure wasn't briefed by anyone for this mission....it's a target of opportunity... and since that little e-mail was just sitting there on my screen for me to reply at my leasure... it was a target of opportunity that was stationary in nature... hmmm Switches Hot, ... High bo diddley bop... 12 full rounds will hit the spot... Mayf... in other words... of course your smart... of course I was teasing... of course your my friend, and next time... remember I play with words like you play with Math... it's fun... I sure would never intent to offend or cause harm... Please accept my apology if you felt that way... Keith From jolylance at earthlink.net Wed Dec 12 09:57:35 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:57:35 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Non-LSR Caddy Bumpers etc... References: <20071211213728.IKB6E.82468.root@eastrmwml28> Message-ID: <000d01c83ce0$21690250$2101a8c0@WinXP> Randy old Ben Franklin wrote the original manual on barn finds entitled "Advice to a Young Man Upon the Selection of a Mistress" which notes the wonderful qualities of mature women including the fact that they age from the top down-- should be required reading for every male past the age of puberty. Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Wester Potter" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Non-LSR Caddy Bumpers etc... > Wes - > > Speaking of juvenile memories - I was reminiscing with an old high > school buddy when the subject came around to a girl we grew up with - > she was as drop dead gorgeous as any female on the planet. I allowed > that since I haven't seen her since the day she came home from college for > her 19th birthday, maybe she still looks exactly the same - you know - > frozen in time like that mythical split window '63 in old man Thompsons > barn.... He commented that he'd just seen her a few weeks ago, and > that she was a real barn-find, alright > > Oh, yeah, and they didn't call them Caddy bumpers "Dagmar's" for > nothin'.... > Mark C From jolylance at earthlink.net Wed Dec 12 10:05:48 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:05:48 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Targets... References: <32874543.1197385030781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net><475EB315.6070902@mayfco.com> <02e201c83ca2$aadae5a0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <001501c83ce1$41731b70$2101a8c0@WinXP> Keith; I think you, as a former pilot, just instinctively reacted to an OODA loop opportunity (LOL). Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Turk" To: ; "James Tone" ; Cc: "LSR" Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:37 AM Subject: [Land-speed] Targets... > Here's my world... it's not real fancy.. > > Ya got two kinds of targets each further broken down into two categorys... > > Pre-planned targets... dictated from higher in a briefing and on your > target list... > > Targets of opportunity... things that pop up in the gun sites... look > like > fun and generally cause you the most grief during your debrief and court > martial. > > All targets of any nature can be Moving or Sationary... Moving targets > involve lots of thought... Projectile drift, Trajactory shift, Porjectile > Jump,.... so on and so forth... and constitute a real pain in the ass to > hit.... but give high scores in during the debrief of the gun tapes... ( > think lots of high fiving and stuff like that ... mostly childish Pilot > stuff... puffing out of chests and junk ... you get the idea )( Think: > BIG > watch, needle dick, looking for a place to write a check ) > > Now Stationary targets... they are easy... not much thought involved... > and > a stationary target of opportunity... well it's just one of those things > that WAY to easy not to pass up... > > .... So I get this e-mail about a plaque that's obviously a mistake... > Here is a target of opportunity... See I poke fun at my friends... and > since > your my friend...well ... there you go... Your now a target ... and in > this > case a target of opportunity... cause I sure wasn't briefed by anyone for > this mission....it's a target of opportunity... and since that little > e-mail was just sitting there on my screen for me to reply at my > leasure... > it was a target of opportunity that was stationary in nature... hmmm > Switches Hot, ... High bo diddley bop... 12 full rounds will hit the > spot... > > Mayf... in other words... of course your smart... of course I was > teasing... > of course your my friend, and next time... remember I play with words like > you play with Math... it's fun... I sure would never intent to offend or > cause harm... Please accept my apology if you felt that way... > > > Keith From jon at infodestruction.com Wed Dec 12 12:43:28 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:43:28 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] John Szalay - non-LSR Message-ID: <88FE6AFD-6779-42AC-AD81-1346162B5D49@infodestruction.com> John, I got your note telling me I had the correct address, but I've tried twice in the past hour -- and I can't get anything through to that addy. Maybe you've got the anti-Seldom Seen Slim filter turned on. In the meantime I mailed a letter to you via USPS. Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From jolylance at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 13:04:43 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:04:43 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR NOSTALGIA Cars of the 50's and 60's Message-ID: <001601c83dc3$67925720$2101a8c0@WinXP> Memories for the season--needs sound http://oldfortyfives.com/CarsWeDrove.htm From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Dec 13 15:13:00 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:13:00 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] The List Message-ID: <4761AE6C.5090709@mayfco.com> Did I somehow kill the list? Or was I automatically removed, lol... mayf From wester6935 at comcast.net Thu Dec 13 15:42:40 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:42:40 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] The List In-Reply-To: <4761AE6C.5090709@mayfco.com> References: <4761AE6C.5090709@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <8D5AE778-9B9F-4853-BF05-E3ACAF350871@comcast.net> No! The target is still on your back ... and front too. Dodge away mayf! Wes On Dec 13, 2007, at 3:13 PM, drmayf wrote: > Did I somehow kill the list? Or was I automatically removed, lol... > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > wester6935 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ecpurinton at wildblue.net Thu Dec 13 15:48:33 2007 From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:48:33 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] The List Message-ID: <4761B6C1.4070209@wildblue.net> Mayf, Naw to both, stand by, they are probably just reload'n. What keeps life interesting here on the ridge on a snowy night. Seriously, have enjoyed reading your math food for thought over the last year or so, very informative, thanks! Ed Purinton From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Thu Dec 13 16:18:52 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:18:52 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] The List References: <4761B6C1.4070209@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <008b01c83dde$8956a490$6401a8c0@Glens> I heard he was running for Mayor of Pahrump and the mafia was after him, they have no problem with moving targets. He has a lot of support with all of the Pahrump bunch LSR people and the girls at the coffee house so who knows. I think he just wanted to bitch about something and now he wants a war. The site is alive and well Mayf. Hang in there pal. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Purinton" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: [Land-speed] The List > Mayf, > > Naw to both, stand by, they are probably just reload'n. What > keeps life interesting here on the ridge on a snowy night. > > Seriously, have enjoyed reading your math food for thought over the > last year or so, very informative, thanks! > > Ed Purinton > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Thu Dec 13 16:18:52 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:18:52 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] The List References: <4761B6C1.4070209@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <008c01c83ddf$3dcf5b60$6401a8c0@Glens> I heard he was running for Mayor of Pahrump and the mafia was after him, they have no problem with moving targets. He has a lot of support with all of the Pahrump bunch LSR people and the girls at the coffee house so who knows. I think he just wanted to bitch about something and now he wants a war. The site is alive and well Mayf. Hang in there pal. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Purinton" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: [Land-speed] The List > Mayf, > > Naw to both, stand by, they are probably just reload'n. What > keeps life interesting here on the ridge on a snowy night. > > Seriously, have enjoyed reading your math food for thought over the > last year or so, very informative, thanks! > > Ed Purinton > _______________________________________________ > speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Dec 13 17:29:56 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:29:56 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] The List In-Reply-To: <4761B6C1.4070209@wildblue.net> References: <4761B6C1.4070209@wildblue.net> Message-ID: <4761CE84.3070305@mayfco.com> I have a new spread sheet that I have not put on the web site yet. I sent it out to a couple of guys to look at though. It has to do with putting a radiator in a tank of water for B'ville. When Iget a moment or 2 , I'll add a note and the sheet tot he webs ite. Thanks for the comments! mayf Ed Purinton wrote: >Mayf, > > Naw to both, stand by, they are probably just reload'n. What >keeps life interesting here on the ridge on a snowy night. > > Seriously, have enjoyed reading your math food for thought over the >last year or so, very informative, thanks! > > Ed Purinton >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Dec 13 17:42:02 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:42:02 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] The List In-Reply-To: <8D5AE778-9B9F-4853-BF05-E3ACAF350871@comcast.net> References: <4761AE6C.5090709@mayfco.com> <8D5AE778-9B9F-4853-BF05-E3ACAF350871@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4761D15A.1010108@mayfco.com> Well, I am glad I did no permanent damage to anyone or the list, lol. I was having a really bad week! I am deep into getting a mouth full of implants, had one tooth go south for a few days hurting like the dickens, a race car header fab of which I know noithing about building headers, and 28 crazy old women from the wife's Red Hat Club here for their Christmas brunch. Plus I am just plain old and grumpy. So ya'll take pity on an old dork who now has a target symbol front and back, lol. I now have the headers under control, most of the hard work is done but lots of welding still to do and replumbing of the water lines and waste gate lines plus a new exhaust pressure monitor. I also need to get the race tires onto the new race wheels as well. And maybe add an extra hoop to the roll cage structure and some kind of head restraint above and beyond what I have now. Plus I am farkling with the turbo sprint as well. I am going to have to try and figure out how to build a scatter shield for that puppy as well since it is in the rule book. I am reasonably sure that lakewood does not sell one...And some new racing wheels for it as well... Wow, is there enough time left before August? mayf Wester Potter wrote: > No! The target is still on your back ... and front too. Dodge away > mayf! > > Wes > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 3:13 PM, drmayf wrote: > >> Did I somehow kill the list? Or was I automatically removed, lol... >> >> mayf >> _______________________________________________ >> wester6935 at comcast.net >> >> Land-speed mailing list >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Dec 13 17:54:36 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:54:36 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Targets... In-Reply-To: <02e201c83ca2$aadae5a0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> References: <32874543.1197385030781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <475EB315.6070902@mayfco.com> <02e201c83ca2$aadae5a0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: <4761D44C.8090108@mayfco.com> Keith, all, I am feeling better now that my past weeks activities are out of the way. Another post has the explanation for my bad behavior, thats my story and I'm sticking to it... Now, targets are interesting... to me a target is something different. A target is something you take action */against. /*By that I mean, police target criminals, the military targets enemies, shooters shoot targets, well, you get the drift of my thinking A target to me was a Soviet silo maybe 10,000 miles away. Targets usually have something bad happen to them or it. What term would I have chosen instead of stationary target? Well, I don't know...but in any case the week past is past and now off to a new one, I just pushed the reset button on my end and I am rebooting in a better frame of mind. mayf Keith Turk wrote: > Here's my world... it's not real fancy.. > > Ya got two kinds of targets each further broken down into two > categorys... > > Pre-planned targets... dictated from higher in a briefing and on your > target list... > > Targets of opportunity... things that pop up in the gun sites... > look like fun and generally cause you the most grief during your > debrief and court martial. > > All targets of any nature can be Moving or Sationary... Moving > targets involve lots of thought... Projectile drift, Trajactory > shift, Porjectile Jump,.... so on and so forth... and constitute a > real pain in the ass to hit.... but give high scores in during the > debrief of the gun tapes... ( think lots of high fiving and stuff like > that ... mostly childish Pilot stuff... puffing out of chests and junk > ... you get the idea )( Think: BIG watch, needle dick, looking for a > place to write a check ) > > Now Stationary targets... they are easy... not much thought > involved... and a stationary target of opportunity... well it's just > one of those things that WAY to easy not to pass up... > > .... So I get this e-mail about a plaque that's obviously a > mistake... Here is a target of opportunity... See I poke fun at my > friends... and since your my friend...well ... there you go... Your > now a target ... and in this case a target of opportunity... cause I > sure wasn't briefed by anyone for this mission....it's a target of > opportunity... and since that little e-mail was just sitting there on > my screen for me to reply at my leasure... it was a target of > opportunity that was stationary in nature... hmmm Switches Hot, ... > High bo diddley bop... 12 full rounds will hit the spot... > > Mayf... in other words... of course your smart... of course I was > teasing... of course your my friend, and next time... remember I play > with words like you play with Math... it's fun... I sure would never > intent to offend or cause harm... Please accept my apology if you felt > that way... > > > Keith From yesford at clear.net.nz Thu Dec 13 17:57:30 2007 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:57:30 +1300 Subject: [Land-speed] The List References: <4761AE6C.5090709@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <2D691486D55C492F823C5C90A6A271D6@ChrisHarrisPC> Your coming through loud and clear 'down under' Mayf. PS What's the square root of minus 1. Kind regards, Chris H...........NZed. Did I somehow kill the list? Or was I automatically removed, lol... mayf From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 13 19:28:39 2007 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:28:39 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Targets... In-Reply-To: <4761D44C.8090108@mayfco.com> References: <32874543.1197385030781.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <475EB315.6070902@mayfco.com> <02e201c83ca2$aadae5a0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> <4761D44C.8090108@mayfco.com> Message-ID: geees I hope so Mayf you hammered on ol' JD pretty hard -for a guy who has dam near surrendered his whole life to LSR and its participants just my 2cents MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in exile in So. New York, -2225 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats ...but never more than a few feet from a cold one -------------------------- oooo --------------------------- > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:54:36 -0800 > From: drmayf at mayfco.com > To: kturk at ala.net > CC: land-speed at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Targets... > > Keith, all, I am feeling better now that my past weeks activities are > out of the way. Another post has the explanation for my bad behavior, > thats my story and I'm sticking to it... > > Now, targets are interesting... to me a target is something different. A > target is something you take action */against. /*By that I mean, police > target criminals, the military targets enemies, shooters shoot targets, > well, you get the drift of my thinking A target to me was a Soviet silo > maybe 10,000 miles away. Targets usually have something bad happen to > them or it. What term would I have chosen instead of stationary target? > Well, I don't know...but in any case the week past is past and now off > to a new one, I just pushed the reset button on my end and I am > rebooting in a better frame of mind. > > mayf _________________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ From jon at infodestruction.com Fri Dec 14 06:27:11 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:27:11 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] The List In-Reply-To: <8D5AE778-9B9F-4853-BF05-E3ACAF350871@comcast.net> References: <4761AE6C.5090709@mayfco.com> <8D5AE778-9B9F-4853-BF05-E3ACAF350871@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9759DDFE-9029-427B-AADC-7829B7056C91@infodestruction.com> On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Wester Potter wrote: No! The target is still on your back ... and front too. Dodge away mayf! Wes Wes, shouldn't you have said (considering your intended target): "Sunbeam away, Mayf!"? Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From wester6935 at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 06:39:05 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:39:05 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] The List In-Reply-To: <9759DDFE-9029-427B-AADC-7829B7056C91@infodestruction.com> References: <4761AE6C.5090709@mayfco.com> <8D5AE778-9B9F-4853-BF05-E3ACAF350871@comcast.net> <9759DDFE-9029-427B-AADC-7829B7056C91@infodestruction.com> Message-ID: <7C607AE7-A2DB-46C2-9506-F10CC7216A9D@comcast.net> I think "Have At It Tiger" would be more appropriate in mayf's case. His Sunbeam claim only goes as far as the bodywork. Next year he's also running Sprints! Turbocharged at that! Wes On Dec 14, 2007, at 6:27 AM, Jon Wennerberg wrote: > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Wester Potter wrote: > > No! The target is still on your back ... and front too. Dodge away > mayf! > > Wes > > > > > Wes, shouldn't you have said (considering your intended target): > "Sunbeam away, Mayf!"? > > Jon Wennerberg > Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing > Marquette, Michigan > (that's 'way up north) From wester6935 at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 10:08:58 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:08:58 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Help needed! Message-ID: <5CF01793-7975-48CB-8CF6-EE41CB1D9368@comcast.net> http://www.hamptonblowers.com/stolen.html?fc_c=1070212x2238156x56786965 From wester6935 at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 10:11:49 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:11:49 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] SEMA shots Message-ID: <81EC8A03-1609-40F4-A225-89DEAEE560DA@comcast.net> Chevrolets at the SEMA show. http://semadigital.com/netpub/server.np?fc_c=1070212x2238170x56786965&find=&field=Make&op=contains&value=Chevrolet&catalog=catalog&site=showvehicle07&sorton=Priority&template=results.np From wester6935 at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 10:21:56 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:21:56 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] SEMA help wanted ads Message-ID: http://www.sema.org/Main/ArticleDetail.aspx?fc_c=1070212x2238216x56786965&contentID=58708 From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Fri Dec 14 11:21:45 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:21:45 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Utah weather Message-ID: <00c701c83e7e$2fed2050$6401a8c0@Glens> I moved to this Utah desert when I heard how great the year around weather was. I was lied to by the real estate dude. This 20 Degree stuff at night makes my feet and knees hurt. At least it hasn't snowed yet. Guess any outside projects are pretty much done. Doug Odom says hey can't handle 40 degrees, man he would be setting in front of the fire place in the big gulch where he lives. My daughter in Big Bear lake Calif. has a new weenie dog and it is hating snow even though it's a long hair. I guess I'm done complaining and will let Mayf the master of gripe have some time on board and so others can take aim at the Pahrump target. Have a great day you all. Glen From NT788 at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 11:24:03 2007 From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:24:03 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] The List Message-ID: <121420071824.1424.4762CA430003850D000005902216548686C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net> No Sex Religion or politics, No fun! Jack -------------- Original message -------------- From: drmayf > Did I somehow kill the list? Or was I automatically removed, lol... > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > nt788 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From wester6935 at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 12:18:53 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:18:53 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Utah weather In-Reply-To: <00c701c83e7e$2fed2050$6401a8c0@Glens> References: <00c701c83e7e$2fed2050$6401a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: This griping from the guy who has to stay in air conditioned comfort on the salt! I had no idea that Carol put you out for the night Glen in those 20 degree temps. Currently 24 degrees headed to a forecast high of 25 today In SLC. The sun is bright and it doesn't feel that cold. If you keep complaining you'll just get weather reports from Seldom Seen Slim "That's way up north" Wennerberg giving you snow totals in Marquette, MI where you'd feel the cold a whole LOT more than you do in Washington. Wes On Dec 14, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Glen Barrett wrote: > I moved to this Utah desert when I heard how great the year around > weather was. I was lied to by the real estate dude. > This 20 Degree stuff at night makes my feet and knees hurt. At least > it hasn't snowed yet. Guess any outside projects are pretty much > done. Doug Odom says hey can't handle 40 degrees, man he would be > setting in front of the fire place in the big gulch where he lives. > > My daughter in Big Bear lake Calif. has a new weenie dog and it is > hating snow even though it's a long hair. I guess I'm done > complaining and will let Mayf the master of gripe have some time on > board and so others can take aim at the Pahrump target. > Have a great day you all. > > Glen From dlodom at charter.net Fri Dec 14 12:21:00 2007 From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:21:00 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Utah weather In-Reply-To: <00c701c83e7e$2fed2050$6401a8c0@Glens> References: <00c701c83e7e$2fed2050$6401a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: <4762D79C.20909@charter.net> Glen Barrett wrote: >I moved to this Utah desert when I heard how great the year around weather >was. I was lied to by the real estate dude. >This 20 Degree stuff at night makes my feet and knees hurt. At least it hasn't >snowed yet. Guess any outside projects are pretty much done. Doug Odom says >hey can't handle 40 degrees, man he would be setting in front of the fire >place in the big gulch where he lives. > >My daughter in Big Bear lake Calif. has a new weenie dog and it is hating snow >even though it's a long hair. I guess I'm done complaining and will let Mayf >the master of gripe have some time on board and so others can take aim at the >Pahrump target. >Have a great day you all. > >Glen >_______________________________________________ >dlodom at charter.net > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed > > > Hey Glen, I admit I'm a candy ass. I've had to wear a long sleeve work shirt all day. Only got up to 61 the last few days and down to 37 at night. I was born in South Dakota and left when I was one year old. Didn't take me long to see I don't like freezing in the winter or sweating in the summer. Doug in big ditch From jon at infodestruction.com Fri Dec 14 12:45:08 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:45:08 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Utah weather In-Reply-To: References: <00c701c83e7e$2fed2050$6401a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: On Dec 14, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Wester Potter wrote: If you keep complaining you'll just get weather reports from Seldom Seen Slim "That's way up north" Wennerberg giving you snow totals in Marquette, MI where you'd feel the cold a whole LOT more than you do in Washington. Wes AS this note was coming in I was out in the shop cleaning up Nancy's Christmas gift -- that riding snowthrower/lawnmower I talked about last week. I'm rewiring the headlights (ground wire had snapped off) and removing the manufacturer's stickers so there's room for "Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing" on both sides. On the top -- the "hood" -- of the engine I'll put a nice pin-up of Nancy wearing all of a few square inches of clothing and a nice smile. Maybe I'll let you folks, when you're visiting, drive the mower. Not much snow yet -- maybe two feet, maybe three -- for the entire season. It's been a pretty mellow winter so far. Tonight it's forecast to drop to five or ten below zero, but the winds won't be much more than 20 mph. In one way we've got it better than Glen -- the real estate guy didn't try to hide the weather from us. Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From rbuck at xmission.com Fri Dec 14 12:53:53 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:53:53 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Utah weather In-Reply-To: References: <00c701c83e7e$2fed2050$6401a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: Amen, Wes! It's been like February here! When I left the house at 6 am it was around 20. Hasn't gotten much warmer here inTaylorsville. I think it's been a few days since we saw the warm side of freezing. I'm stayin in and playin the blues on the bass. Bout the best way of stayin outta the cold I can come up with at the moment. Ray the (frozen) Rat At 12:18 PM 12/14/2007, Wester Potter wrote: >This griping from the guy who has to stay in air conditioned comfort >on the salt! >I had no idea that Carol put you out for the night Glen in those 20 >degree temps. > >Currently 24 degrees headed to a forecast high of 25 today In SLC. The >sun is >bright and it doesn't feel that cold. > > If you keep complaining you'll just get weather reports from Seldom >Seen Slim > "That's way up north" Wennerberg giving you snow totals in >Marquette, MI >where you'd feel the cold a whole LOT more than you do in Washington. > >Wes > >On Dec 14, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Glen Barrett wrote: > > > I moved to this Utah desert when I heard how great the year around > > weather was. I was lied to by the real estate dude. > > This 20 Degree stuff at night makes my feet and knees hurt. At least > > it hasn't snowed yet. Guess any outside projects are pretty much > > done. Doug Odom says hey can't handle 40 degrees, man he would be > > setting in front of the fire place in the big gulch where he lives. > > > > My daughter in Big Bear lake Calif. has a new weenie dog and it is > > hating snow even though it's a long hair. I guess I'm done > > complaining and will let Mayf the master of gripe have some time on > > board and so others can take aim at the Pahrump target. > > Have a great day you all. > > > > Glen >_______________________________________________ >rbuck at xmission.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From v4gr at rcn.com Fri Dec 14 13:38:45 2007 From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:38:45 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] weather Message-ID: <000801c83e91$54337e60$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Just back from the store. We were all complaining about how cold it is. I pointed out none of us had a coat on. Doug is right, if you need a long sleeve shirt, it's to cold. Bring on that global warming. RF From jdincau at qnet.com Fri Dec 14 14:28:33 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:28:33 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Yamabond Message-ID: <004501c83e98$4784b650$0500000a@Den> What is a good solvent for this stuff? Jim in Palmdale From rbuck at xmission.com Fri Dec 14 14:47:36 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:47:36 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Yamabond In-Reply-To: <004501c83e98$4784b650$0500000a@Den> References: <004501c83e98$4784b650$0500000a@Den> Message-ID: A quick Google search resulted in acetone being the solvent of choice. I'm not sure that it would completely dissolve stuff that's set up (kinda like RTV, I guess) but it's what people on the Yamaha forums seem to recommend. Hth, RtR At 02:28 PM 12/14/2007, Jim Dincau wrote: >What is a good solvent for this stuff? >Jim in Palmdale >_______________________________________________ >rbuck at xmission.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From td at twinjugs.com Fri Dec 14 15:21:20 2007 From: td at twinjugs.com (Todd) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:21:20 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Yamabond removal In-Reply-To: <004501c83e98$4784b650$0500000a@Den> References: <004501c83e98$4784b650$0500000a@Den> Message-ID: <20071214221712.M21214@twinjugs.com> I use fingernail polish remover if still pliable and for complete cleanup, have also used heat to make it pliable then use the polish remover and have even used ice or co2 to freeze and chip it off if really old or baked hard (works well for the old avitation cement). Todd > What is a good solvent for this stuff? From ed at vetteracing.com Fri Dec 14 16:55:13 2007 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:55:13 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Utah weather Message-ID: Add me to the Candy Ass list Doug...... That's why Ilive in the desert. Where is this "global warming" we keephearing about!!?? It hasn't got out of the 50's (high) forweeks!! Ed >-----Original Message----- >From: DougOdom [mailto:dlodom at charter.net] >Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 12:21 PM >To: 'Glen Barrett' >Cc: landspeed at autox.team.net, 'Bruce', 'Glenn Freudenberger' >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Utah weather > >Glen Barrett wrote: > >>I moved to this Utah desert when I heard how great the year around weather >>was. I was lied to by the real estate dude. >>This 20 Degree stuff at night makes my feet and knees hurt. At least it hasn't >>snowed yet. Guess any outside projects are pretty much done. Doug Odom says >>hey can't handle 40 degrees, man he would be setting in front of the fire >>place in the big gulch where he lives. >> >>My daughter in Big Bear lake Calif. has a new weenie dog and it is hating snow >>even though it's a long hair. I guess I'm done complaining and will let Mayf >>the master of gripe have some time on board and so others can take aim at the >>Pahrump target. >>Have a great day you all. >> >>Glen From kturk at ala.net Thu Dec 13 16:39:53 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:39:53 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] The List References: <4761AE6C.5090709@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <004101c83de1$76f6f090$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Nahhh it's just slow... From mactem at mebtel.net Fri Dec 14 17:40:24 2007 From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:40:24 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] weather Message-ID: <003101c83eb3$14f5a490$0200a8c0@brightstar> Here in NC its been 75-78 all week. Everybody's smiling, buying Christmas presents in shorts and flip flops. I guess KT has been even warmer. Weather channel says the cold front will hit tomorrow, but I'm spending the evening sitting on the front porch thinking about the hot salt. David From saltfevr at q.com Fri Dec 14 20:44:47 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:44:47 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR NOSTALGIA Cars of the 50's and 60's In-Reply-To: <001601c83dc3$67925720$2101a8c0@WinXP> References: <001601c83dc3$67925720$2101a8c0@WinXP> Message-ID: Joseph; Thanks for sharing! What a fun video. Loved the Carlsbad shots!! Thanks again.Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> From: jolylance at earthlink.net> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:04:43 -0500> Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR NOSTALGIA Cars of the 50's and 60's> > Memories for the season--needs sound> > > http://oldfortyfives.com/CarsWeDrove.htm> _______________________________________________> saltfevr at q.com> > Land-speed mailing list> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From jolylance at earthlink.net Fri Dec 14 21:07:39 2007 From: jolylance at earthlink.net (joseph lance) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:07:39 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR NOSTALGIA Cars of the 50's and 60's References: <001601c83dc3$67925720$2101a8c0@WinXP> Message-ID: <001001c83ed0$0bb30360$2101a8c0@WinXP> Yeah and it got me to watch "Thunder Road" again after 30 years, it had some neat cars but the sound track didn't always match the engines. Never knew before that Robert Mitchum was a song writer and singer. Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM M SHANNON To: joseph lance ; LAND-SPEED @ AUTOX.TEAM .NET Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: RE: [Land-speed] NON LSR NOSTALGIA Cars of the 50's and 60's Joseph; Thanks for sharing! What a fun video. Loved the Carlsbad shots!! Thanks again. Tom Shannon Magna, Utah > http://oldfortyfives.com/CarsWeDrove.htm From ifixmgs at cox.net Sat Dec 15 06:24:22 2007 From: ifixmgs at cox.net (ifixmgs at cox.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 8:24:22 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] SEMA help wanted ads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071215082422.53W14.127332.root@eastrmwml02.mgt.cox.net> At first I thought - cool - now I have a reason to sell off the horses, parcel out the ranch, and move up to the frozen tundra to live my dream of being a shipping clerk job in Caledonia, Michigan... Well, I've had a change of mind. When I Googled "Race Caledonia Michigan" first line entry is a listing of sex offenders. What gives? Maybe if it wasn't so cold, racers up there would be in the garage with their hands out of their pockets and their minds on something besides those tool box pinups... Anyway If you click on the new Companies/products then new products links, http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome.aspx?id=58649 there's a new book "Front Engine Dragsters" by Steve Reyes that looks pretty interesting, Mark C Up to my ankles in wet horse apples at the edge of the Great Dismal Swamp ---- Wester Potter wrote: SEMA help wanted > http://www.sema.org/Main/ArticleDetail.aspx?fc_c=1070212x2238216x56786965&contentID=58708 From adin at frontier.net Sat Dec 15 10:45:39 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:45:39 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] 9" locker? Message-ID: <000801c83f42$4e879940$8b01a8c0@ZTxp> Any recommendations for a 9" locker? Street truck, it WILL run on the salt. Thanks in advance . . . David in Durango From lsr_man at yahoo.com Sat Dec 15 15:14:11 2007 From: lsr_man at yahoo.com (Dick J) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:14:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Land-speed] Turk, Freiburger, Hot Rod, and Bonneville Message-ID: <474958.58323.qm@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Through the years there have been numerous "dry spells" when Hot Rod did not cover LSR very well. Now that Freiburger has left Hot Rod, is there anybody left on their staff with an interest in Bonneville and LSR, or will there be another "dry spell"? Dick J In east Texas --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From ddahlgren at snet.net Sat Dec 15 15:31:43 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:31:43 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Turk, Freiburger, Hot Rod, and Bonneville In-Reply-To: <474958.58323.qm@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c83f6a$5294b5e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Every conceived problem is another potential opportunity.. When and where there is a void in anything someone or something comes in to fill it.. You could always subscribe to Bonneville Racing News..LOL.. No void there.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dick J Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:14 PM To: lsr list autox Subject: [Land-speed] Turk, Freiburger, Hot Rod, and Bonneville Through the years there have been numerous "dry spells" when Hot Rod did not cover LSR very well. Now that Freiburger has left Hot Rod, is there anybody left on their staff with an interest in Bonneville and LSR, or will there be another "dry spell"? Dick J In east Texas No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 AM From ddahlgren at snet.net Sat Dec 15 15:34:29 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:34:29 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] I think today is the day.. In-Reply-To: <474958.58323.qm@web30715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c83f6a$b26e8590$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Lets all celebrate Joe and Donna getting married.. Smile.. a nice couple of people with a lot of care for each other.. Dave No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1182 - Release Date: 12/12/2007 11:29 AM From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Sat Dec 15 21:38:56 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:38:56 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] The List In-Reply-To: <4761D15A.1010108@mayfco.com> References: <4761AE6C.5090709@mayfco.com> <8D5AE778-9B9F-4853-BF05-E3ACAF350871@comcast.net> <4761D15A.1010108@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <4764ABE0.6050902@wildblue.net> Mayf, You are having too damn much fun. I'll help. It's three months till August (net time). Details, please about your EGP transducer? I've thought about using a MAP transducer at then of n feet of 1/8" copper tubing. Thanks, Bryan drmayf wrote: > Well, I am glad I did no permanent damage to anyone or the list, lol. I > was having a really bad week! I am deep into getting a mouth full of > implants, had one tooth go south for a few days hurting like the > dickens, a race car header fab of which I know noithing about building > headers, and 28 crazy old women from the wife's Red Hat Club here for > their Christmas brunch. Plus I am just plain old and grumpy. So ya'll > take pity on an old dork who now has a target symbol front and back, > lol. I now have the headers under control, most of the hard work is > done but lots of welding still to do and replumbing of the water lines > and waste gate lines plus a new exhaust pressure monitor. I also need to > get the race tires onto the new race wheels as well. And maybe add an > extra hoop to the roll cage structure and some kind of head restraint > above and beyond what I have now. Plus I am farkling with the turbo > sprint as well. I am going to have to try and figure out how to build a > scatter shield for that puppy as well since it is in the rule book. I am > reasonably sure that lakewood does not sell one...And some new racing > wheels for it as well... > > Wow, is there enough time left before August? > > mayf From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net Sun Dec 16 07:26:45 2007 From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:26:45 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] the List Message-ID: <121620071426.25422.476535A5000E93EF0000634E22007374789C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net> Mayf, also, how did you make out with that fuel pressure transducer? I liked that idea. BJ From kturk at ala.net Mon Dec 17 02:58:02 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:58:02 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] The Camaro's Bville article Message-ID: <01ab01c84093$53ae2130$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Well looks like it's going to be the last Article in Hot Rod for the Camaro as the " Hot Rod mag. spl." David did a great job as usual of capturing speedweek at a glance... as you read the article remember this is Dave's engine... he built it... he tuned it and we raced the hell out of it... Oh and while your there check out 24hrs of LeMons.... that was a blast... K From saltfevr at q.com Mon Dec 17 19:33:19 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:33:19 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] The Camaro's Bville article In-Reply-To: <01ab01c84093$53ae2130$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> References: <01ab01c84093$53ae2130$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Message-ID: Ya Keith; Just received my Wally Parks Tribute Feb. HRM today. Fantastic issue,plus a nicely written farewell editorial by Dave F. Nice picture of Tonya in the "ice box"! Tom ShannonMagna, Utah> From: kturk at ala.net> To: land-speed at autox.team.net; ECTALSR at yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:58:02 -0600> Subject: [Land-speed] The Camaro's Bville article> > Well looks like it's going to be the last Article in Hot Rod for the Camaro as> the " Hot Rod mag. spl."> > David did a great job as usual of capturing speedweek at a glance... as you> read the article remember this is Dave's engine... he built it... he tuned it> and we raced the hell out of it...> > Oh and while your there check out 24hrs of LeMons.... that was a blast...> > K> _______________________________________________> saltfevr at q.com> > Land-speed mailing list> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From jon at infodestruction.com Tue Dec 18 09:18:47 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:18:47 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Light bulbs -- not-quite LSR Message-ID: As I was prepping Nancy's snowthrower/lawnmower for presentation to her on Christmas day I worked on the headlights, and to mind it came -- is there a source for LED replacements for the 1156 (single- filament taillight) bulb? Are there LED replacements for other such (automotice service) bulbs? I'd like to find 'em -- more light, long life, lower current draw. But where do I get them? Thanks in advance. Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From jon at infodestruction.com Tue Dec 18 10:35:22 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:35:22 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Light bulbs -- not-quite LSR In-Reply-To: <1B25CAAB-41F9-4371-B36C-381FD2690247@comcast.net> References: <1B25CAAB-41F9-4371-B36C-381FD2690247@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0E8B0890-EE27-45E5-9B17-FEB829CBB61F@infodestruction.com> On Dec 18, 2007, at 11:58 AM, Wester Potter wrote: I've bought LED auto taillight replacement bulbs at Pep Boys. I'm sure there must be some place in the frozen north that also would have such things. Happy Christmas taillight shopping! Wes On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Jon Wennerberg wrote: Yes, I know that I can get SOME replacements at the local car parts store -- but I specifically want LED 1156 bulbs. The LED replacements I've seen are for the newer-style lamps, such as the 3157 -- plastic four-pin-wide base. But what about replacements for the older cylindrical metal basse with pine in the middle and ground on the shell? My local car parts store says No, we haven't seen anything/don't have anything. 1156, 1157, 194 -- those are the numbers I'm trying to cross. I've emailed a major bulb vendor to ask the same question, and if nothing else works I'll let you know what I find. Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From rbuck at xmission.com Tue Dec 18 10:43:02 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:43:02 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Light bulbs -- not-quite LSR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 09:18 AM 12/18/2007, Jon Wennerberg wrote: >As I was prepping Nancy's snowthrower/lawnmower for presentation to >her on Christmas day I worked on the headlights, and to mind it came >-- is there a source for LED replacements for the 1156 (single- >filament taillight) bulb? Are there LED replacements for other such >(automotice service) bulbs? > >I'd like to find 'em -- more light, long life, lower current draw. >But where do I get them? I live only to serve: http://www.cyclegadgets.com/Products/product.asp?Item=LEDBULBS They ain't real cheap, but they ARE available. Ray the Rat (typed LED replacement 1157 into Google) From rbuck at xmission.com Tue Dec 18 10:47:15 2007 From: rbuck at xmission.com (Ray Buck) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:47:15 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Light bulbs -- Oops...I should have included... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ...this article. It's pretty "illuminating." http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/led/led.htm RtR At 09:18 AM 12/18/2007, Jon Wennerberg wrote: >As I was prepping Nancy's snowthrower/lawnmower for presentation to >her on Christmas day I worked on the headlights, and to mind it came >-- is there a source for LED replacements for the 1156 (single- >filament taillight) bulb? Are there LED replacements for other such >(automotice service) bulbs? > >I'd like to find 'em -- more light, long life, lower current draw. >But where do I get them? > >Thanks in advance. > > Jon Wennerberg >Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing > Marquette, Michigan > (that's 'way up north) >_______________________________________________ >rbuck at xmission.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From jon at infodestruction.com Tue Dec 18 10:53:22 2007 From: jon at infodestruction.com (Jon Wennerberg) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:53:22 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Light bulbs -- Oops...I should have included... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 18, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Ray Buck wrote: ...this article. It's pretty "illuminating." http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/led/led.htm RtR I found 'em -- I found a source! Thanks, Ray. Read the story at the link Ray sent, then follow the link therein to www.lightlens.com. Price isn't too bad -- and there's a pretty wide selection available. Jon Wennerberg Seldom Seen Slim Land Speed Racing Marquette, Michigan (that's 'way up north) From jt_short at hotmail.com Tue Dec 18 15:55:19 2007 From: jt_short at hotmail.com (James T Short) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:55:19 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] 1156, 1157, 194 LED replacement bul bulbs Message-ID: http://ledtrailerlights.com/stt/1157.htm http://www.lightlens.com/ledbulbs.htm?gclid=CMivh4_2spACFQJCgQodLTjOFQ http://www.superbrightleds.com/tail-brake-turn.html The above three urls all offer LED replacements for what you need Seldom Seen. From ed at vetteracing.com Tue Dec 18 20:25:34 2007 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:25:34 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Light bulbs -- not-quite LSR Message-ID: Check your motorcycle catalogs... J&P and others have them. Ed >-----Original Message----- >From: Jon Wennerberg [mailto:jon at infodestruction.com] >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 10:35 AM >To: 'Wester Potter', landspeed at autox.team.net List >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Light bulbs -- not-quite LSR > >On Dec 18, 2007, at 11:58 AM, Wester Potter wrote: > >I've bought LED auto taillight replacement bulbs at Pep Boys. I'm >sure there must be some place in the frozen north that also would >have such things. Happy Christmas taillight shopping! > >Wes > >On Dec 18, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Jon Wennerberg wrote: > > > > > >Yes, I know that I can get SOME replacements at the local car parts >store -- but I specifically want LED 1156 bulbs. The LED >replacements I've seen are for the newer-style lamps, such as the >3157 -- plastic four-pin-wide base. But what about replacements for >the older cylindrical metal basse with pine in the middle and ground >on the shell? My local car parts store says No, we haven't seen >anything/don't have anything. From dlodom at charter.net Tue Dec 18 23:00:13 2007 From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:00:13 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Fire alarm lite Message-ID: <4768B36D.7030407@charter.net> What has proved to be the best fire alarm senser for streamliner/lakester type LSR cars? With all the motor and stuff behind the driver it might be a cool idea to know if its making flames and smoke. They say " You can never be perfect". Then they say " Practice makes perfect". Damn, I wish they would make up their mind. Doug Odom in big ditch From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Dec 18 23:08:09 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:08:09 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Fire alarm lite In-Reply-To: <4768B36D.7030407@charter.net> References: <4768B36D.7030407@charter.net> Message-ID: <4768B549.9070804@mayfco.com> Don't know about fire sensors, but chat with Rick Byrnes. He did some research on the subject for his car. As to "Practice makes perfect" Nope, only perfect practive makes perfect. You can practice something wrong for ever and it still wont be correct or perfect. How ya doing over there in the Big Ditch? Figured out the spreadsheet yet? mayf DougOdom wrote: > What has proved to be the best fire alarm senser for >streamliner/lakester type LSR cars? > > With all the motor and stuff behind the driver it might be a cool idea >to know if its making flames and smoke. > > They say " You can never be perfect". Then they say " Practice makes >perfect". > >Damn, I wish they would make up their mind. > >Doug Odom in big ditch >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From john.szalay at att.net Wed Dec 19 08:42:20 2007 From: john.szalay at att.net (John Szalay) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:42:20 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Light bulbs -- not-quite LSR Message-ID: <121920071542.25245.47693BDC000A0AD40000629D22230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E040E969CD202080106@att.net> http://www.superbrightleds.com/specs/115x-x12x19.htm http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T073/2310.pdf -------------- Original message from Jon Wennerberg : -------------- > As I was prepping Nancy's snowthrower/lawnmower for presentation to > her on Christmas day I worked on the headlights, and to mind it came > -- is there a source for LED replacements for the 1156 (single- > filament taillight) bulb? Are there LED replacements for other such > (automotice service) bulbs? > > I'd like to find 'em -- more light, long life, lower current draw. > But where do I get them? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jon Wennerberg From saltrat at pahrump.com Wed Dec 19 09:05:03 2007 From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:05:03 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Fire alarm lite In-Reply-To: <4768B36D.7030407@charter.net> References: <4768B36D.7030407@charter.net> Message-ID: <20071219160549.6F46C187A31@autox.team.net> Doug I use a heat activated switch that comes from the chimney of a restaurant kitchen. It has 2 circuits and activates at about 500 degrees. I place it around the rearend area, hook it up to a red trailer clearance light and put the light in the lower front of the cockpit where it's dark. See your local extinguisher company. Put a test switch on it. Merry Christmas, Skip At 10:00 PM 12/18/2007, DougOdom wrote: > What has proved to be the best fire alarm senser for >streamliner/lakester type LSR cars? > > With all the motor and stuff behind the driver it might be a cool idea >to know if its making flames and smoke. > > They say " You can never be perfect". Then they say " Practice makes >perfect". > >Damn, I wish they would make up their mind. > >Doug Odom in big ditch >_______________________________________________ >saltrat at pahrump.com > >Land-speed mailing list > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From jdincau at qnet.com Wed Dec 19 17:21:10 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:21:10 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Sealing two piece wheels Message-ID: <001701c8429e$395559e0$0500000a@Den> Has anyone had any luck sealing this type of wheel for use with tubeless tires? Jim in Palmdale From mactem at mebtel.net Wed Dec 19 18:40:28 2007 From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:40:28 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] New Quick cure RTV sealant Message-ID: <00e101c842a9$4dd7e580$0200a8c0@brightstar> I ran into this new product. Its a single part RTV sealant that withstands 400deg. F. and when applied in thin coats fully cures in 2-3 minutes. Might be nice to have some in the tool box. http://masterbond.com/tds/ms711.html David From b.a.savage at wildblue.net Wed Dec 19 22:15:33 2007 From: b.a.savage at wildblue.net (Bryan Savage) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:15:33 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Sealing two piece wheels In-Reply-To: <001701c8429e$395559e0$0500000a@Den> References: <001701c8429e$395559e0$0500000a@Den> Message-ID: <4769FA75.1040500@wildblue.net> Jim, 1/8" Expanded PTFE Joint Sealant http://www.sealsales.com/PTFE/jointsealant.shtml should work if the bead will seal to the rim. It's easy to use, I've got 75-80 feet of 1/8 ". I'd be glad to send you a 5 foot piece to try. Bryan Jim Dincau wrote: > Has anyone had any luck sealing this type of wheel for use with tubeless > tires? > Jim in Palmdale > _______________________________________________ > b.a.savage at earthlink.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Thu Dec 20 09:07:40 2007 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:07:40 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Sealing two piece wheels References: <001701c8429e$395559e0$0500000a@Den> Message-ID: <000b01c84322$734e00a0$6601a8c0@Rick> Jim If the wheels have an "O" ring groove, a rubber O ring will do the job nicely, helped with a little vacuum grease or at worse RTV. If the surfaces are unblemished no crutch is needed. The real deal for rubber gasketing is making the groove to design spec, and squeezing the rubber 15 to 20 %. My little 500X5 Garlits tire 2 piece wheels are alum with 0 ring grooves, and only 2 of them currently leak :-D That's kind of why I added the bit about crutches. If the wheels have grooves, I can help with 0 ring selection, but if you can get your hands on an O ring handbook, the groove vs. O ring dimensions are clearly defined for face sealing that we are dealing with here. If you need help feel free to ask. I'm not always quick to respond, but I will and I do have a Parker handbook. I"ll be more than happy to help. If wheels are large, sealing may be a little tougher, but all the same principles apply. (if you have a groove) There is a major problem using rtv in any joint that has a chance of parts moving relative to each other. The shear strength is quite low, and movement as little as .004" will cause adhesive delamination and leaks. Rick From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Thu Dec 20 09:40:21 2007 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:40:21 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Fire alarm lite References: <4768B36D.7030407@charter.net> <4768B549.9070804@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <001301c84327$04161240$6601a8c0@Rick> Doug I had been looking at fire and heat detectors for a while, and had been assured by the guy that certifies my Halon and services CO2 bottles that a heat sensor can be tailored for just about any condition. BUT, I want more than just a heat sensor and light. The Ford deal came along and since we were carrying 2 kilos of H2 and a bunch of Helox that was 40% O2 I had even more concerns so one of my assignments was to look for flame sensors for an almost invisable H2 fire. I found some UV and IR sensors, but cost of 2K made it a bit costly for even this well funded program. The alternative is a SMOKE detector. A Brilliant, cost effective choice. If something burns, smoke is almost immediately present. We used an Orbis smoke detector, made by Apollo Fire detectors in the UK. (I did not select this method or unit, but felt quite comfortable with it) It will also be good for Methanol fire that is also not very visable. The rest of the system is automatic with an electric solenoid that I put together with the help of Bob Stroud. His company now owns Phoenix fire systems and the previous owner came up with a concept that we used on a 10 pound bottle in the motor bay. (Like in my car, everything dangerous was behind me and the firewall.) The early testing I did proved the plunger would pierce the bottle seal, and I was quite comfortable with the system. It would be dispensing Halon long before I could activate something. I have purchased a few of the basic solenoids and am working with Bob to provide some parts for him to further test and prove out. This system Will be on my linerwannabe when we come out in the springtime. The last part of the system was a light to tell me the system had activated. The Ford software guys also had it shut down the entire system. All electrical and gas connections were closed in emergency timing. (a much harder shut down than normal in a fuel cell vehicle.) I attached a photo of the firebottle with solenoid mounted, but only Doug will see it. If anyone wants, we can start a thread on Landracing.com for discussion and photos. I have learned a little, but I'm sure there are more knowledgable guys on this subject and I'm always open for learning more. Best regards Rick [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 130.JPG] From 23.weldon at comcast.net Thu Dec 20 09:57:38 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:57:38 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Sealing two piece wheels References: <001701c8429e$395559e0$0500000a@Den> <000b01c84322$734e00a0$6601a8c0@Rick> Message-ID: <000e01c84329$7191cd80$6401a8c0@S> Rick knows--The Parker Handbook is the de facto standard in the mechanical engineering world for designing with o-rings. For a good compact source of the dimensions for the most common "standard" sizes of o-rings check out the 6 charts on the right side of the Orings West web page http://www.oringswest.com/ The groove dimensions chart will be of most interest; but if you're looking for a large size standard ring such as might be used in those wheels scroll down on the standard o-rings chart most of the way toward the bottom for o-rings in the size range of -440 to -475. (the -900 series in large sizes are essentially "unobtanium") Note that ordinary nitrile o-rings can be spliced if carefully cut square with a razor blade and glued together with thin super glue (ACC). Lay the o-ring out flat on a tabletop making sure there are no twists in it, cut the ends square, put a piece of wax paper under the glue joint and with as steady hands as you can muster put the glue on one side and push the ends together in as perfect alignment as you can. Use magnification if you have it available. Important note here.... don't expect an ACC bond to hold up well in cooling system applications. ACC doesn't like water at near boiling conditions. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "Jim Dincau" ; "land Speed List" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Sealing two piece wheels > Jim ............ > If the wheels have grooves, I can help with 0 ring selection, but if you can > get your hands on an O ring handbook, the groove vs. O ring dimensions are > clearly defined for face sealing that we are dealing with here. > If you need help feel free to ask. I'm not always quick to respond, but I > will and I do have a Parker handbook..........Rick From jdincau at qnet.com Thu Dec 20 11:02:02 2007 From: jdincau at qnet.com (Jim Dincau) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:02:02 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Sealing two piece wheels References: <001701c8429e$395559e0$0500000a@Den> <000b01c84322$734e00a0$6601a8c0@Rick> <000e01c84329$7191cd80$6401a8c0@S> Message-ID: <001301c84332$6f8322b0$0500000a@Den> Thanks to all who replied. The wheels in question are 18 X 6 formed aluminum, two halves that bolt together with 15 fasteners. I have tubes but I really don't like the fact that the tubes weigh almost as much as the tires (MT 26.5 x 18). There is no O-ring groove and cutting one would seriously weaken the wheels, they are hydroformed out of Aluminum sheet. I have designed and fabricated O-ring installations in the past but that experience doesn't apply here. I have seen go-cart two piece wheels that seal with an O-ring sitting in the v grove formed by the junction of the two wheel halves. This dosen't seem right engineering wise but it seems to work. I know there must be some flex as the tire contact patch migrates around the wheel and wonder if silicone applied at the joint after assembly will come unstuck. A problem with applying a sealer between the halves is getting an even coat, assembly before drying and sealant squeeze out leaving leak paths (I tried Yammabond). Any other comments would be appreciated. Jim in Palmdale From NT788 at comcast.net Thu Dec 20 11:56:01 2007 From: NT788 at comcast.net (NT788 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:56:01 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Sealing two piece wheels Message-ID: <122020071856.23382.476ABAC100081A9000005B562214756402C8C8C9ABB2@comcast.net> The last 17"o ring grove I cut to spec. failed I had to screed the grove half full of black urethane wdsd. caulk. It then worked fine. Jack -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Rick Byrnes" > Jim > If the wheels have an "O" ring groove, a rubber O ring will do the job > nicely, helped with a little vacuum grease or at worse RTV. If the surfaces > are unblemished no crutch is needed. The real deal for rubber gasketing is > making the groove to design spec, and squeezing the rubber 15 to 20 %. My > little 500X5 Garlits tire 2 piece wheels are alum with 0 ring grooves, and > only 2 of them currently leak :-D > That's kind of why I added the bit about crutches. > If the wheels have grooves, I can help with 0 ring selection, but if you can > get your hands on an O ring handbook, the groove vs. O ring dimensions are > clearly defined for face sealing that we are dealing with here. > If you need help feel free to ask. I'm not always quick to respond, but I > will and I do have a Parker handbook. > I"ll be more than happy to help. > If wheels are large, sealing may be a little tougher, but all the same > principles apply. (if you have a groove) > There is a major problem using rtv in any joint that has a chance of parts > moving relative to each other. The shear strength is quite low, and > movement as little as .004" will cause adhesive delamination and leaks. > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > nt788 at comcast.net > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From bob at arrowracing.org Thu Dec 20 13:42:56 2007 From: bob at arrowracing.org (Bob Williams) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:42:56 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Fire alarm lite References: <4768B36D.7030407@charter.net> <4768B549.9070804@mayfco.com> <001301c84327$04161240$6601a8c0@Rick> Message-ID: <004c01c84348$e7400d20$c07ba8c0@dell01> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Byrnes" To: ; "DougOdom" Cc: "Landspeed List" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire alarm lite > Doug > I had been looking at fire and heat detectors for a while, and had been > assured by the guy that certifies my Halon and services CO2 bottles that a > heat sensor can be tailored for just about any condition. BUT, I want more > than just a heat sensor and light. > The Ford deal came along and since we were carrying 2 kilos of H2 and a > bunch of Helox that was 40% O2 I had even more concerns so one of my > assignments was to look for flame sensors for an almost invisable H2 fire. > I found some UV and IR sensors, but cost of 2K made it a bit costly for > even this well funded program. > The alternative is a SMOKE detector. A Brilliant, cost effective choice. > If something burns, smoke is almost immediately present. We used an Orbis > smoke detector, made by Apollo Fire detectors in the UK. (I did not select > this method or unit, but felt quite comfortable with it) It will also be > good for Methanol fire that is also not very visable. > The rest of the system is automatic with an electric solenoid that I put > together with the help of Bob Stroud. His company now owns Phoenix fire > systems and the previous owner came up with a concept that we used on a 10 > pound bottle in the motor bay. (Like in my car, everything dangerous was > behind me and the firewall.) > The early testing I did proved the plunger would pierce the bottle seal, and > I was quite comfortable with the system. It would be dispensing Halon long > before I could activate something. > I have purchased a few of the basic solenoids and am working with Bob to > provide some parts for him to further test and prove out. > This system Will be on my linerwannabe when we come out in the springtime. > The last part of the system was a light to tell me the system had activated. > The Ford software guys also had it shut down the entire system. All > electrical and gas connections were closed in emergency timing. (a much > harder shut down than normal in a fuel cell vehicle.) > I attached a photo of the firebottle with solenoid mounted, but only Doug > will see it. If anyone wants, we can start a thread on Landracing.com for > discussion and photos. I have learned a little, but I'm sure there are more > knowledgable guys on this subject and I'm always open for learning more. > > Best regards > > Rick > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 130.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > bob at arrowracing.org > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Thu Dec 20 13:37:45 2007 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:37:45 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Fire alarm lite References: <4768B36D.7030407@charter.net> <4768B549.9070804@mayfco.com> <001301c84327$04161240$6601a8c0@Rick> <001b01c84347$3b3aafe0$c07ba8c0@dell01> Message-ID: <001201c84348$2e3f0f10$6601a8c0@Rick> Hi Bob I should have been a little more explicit in my first note. The automatic fire bottle is in addition to manually activated bottles. In my car there is another 30 pounds and on the Ford Fusion I had an additional 20 pounds that I control with manual cables, just like always. The light tells me the first bottle went off automatically and I drive to emergency side of the course and bail if its still on fire. Of course after setting off the second bottle for the engine bay, or the third bottle if I can feel fire as far forward as I am. I have practiced the drill many times in preparation for this past season as I have an inordinate fear of fire. Relative to the Orbis smoke detector, I do not know if it is the best, but in the enclosed space of the car, it is enough. Also, the chances of a false alarm with smoke detector is much better than with the IR and UV sensors. Some real aerospace type of sensors get much better, but still have some incidence of false alarm. The cheaper the sensing system, the more potential problems with false alarms. The use of smoke sensor was a pretty comfortable move for me, in addition to more than half a dozen H2 sensors set at very sensitive levels. On one run we got shut down because one of these sensors picking up a minute amount at the rear of the car. The guys replumbed the exhaust outlet and no more problem. I think I would suggest some additional research to make sure you can be happy with whatever sensor you choose. The logic of smoke sensor when flames may be almost invisable seems really good to me. Rick From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Thu Dec 20 13:56:32 2007 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:56:32 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Sealing two piece wheels References: <001701c8429e$395559e0$0500000a@Den><000b01c84322$734e00a0$6601a8c0@Rick><000e01c84329$7191cd80$6401a8c0@S> <001301c84332$6f8322b0$0500000a@Den> Message-ID: <001d01c8434a$cf2c7fa0$6601a8c0@Rick> OK We move on to crutches. The go cart wheel with O ring sealing in a 45degree groove with no squeeze other than tire internal air pressure can work with a little help from Hylomar. It does not harden and when spread in very small amounts it works well. I have used it on intake gaskets with boosted motors at 100" Hg Abs manifold pressure. While not tire pressures, the M/T at 100PSI should help push the O ring into the groove. I agree with you that it is not perfect engineering but probably what I would try next. The surface finish at the O ring contact points is important and the Hylomar may help that. I'm glad we are having this discussion because I have M/T for 16" wheels and have not yet decided what the wheels will look like. I'll run the GY LSR tire till speeds require better tires, then switch. (Should I be so blessed). Rick From joyseydevil at comcast.net Thu Dec 20 14:01:44 2007 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:01:44 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Sealing two piece wheels Message-ID: <003b01c8434b$87641330$446b2544@john> Jim How about a spacer between the wheel halves with o-ring groves or to contain and get the right crush with gaskets . > Has anyone had any luck sealing this type of wheel for use with tubeless > tires? > Jim in Palmdale From karhu at california.com Thu Dec 20 15:48:55 2007 From: karhu at california.com (Benn) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:48:55 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Fire alarm lite References: <4768B36D.7030407@charter.net> <4768B549.9070804@mayfco.com><001301c84327$04161240$6601a8c0@Rick><001b01c84347$3b3aafe0$c07ba8c0@dell01> <001201c84348$2e3f0f10$6601a8c0@Rick> Message-ID: <001101c8435a$80892b90$6801a8c0@BennsDesktop> Hmm, aren't the flames just invisible to our eyes? Why couldn't a sensor respond to IR frequencies? Yeah, it would take careful aiming to avoid being triggered by a hot exhaust or something, maybe with a time-averaged signal involved (sorta like security light sensors). And can one assure that smoke in an engine compartment would pass through a smoke detector? On a see-dan, I'd think air currents could be going all over the place at 200 mph--I suppose a streamliner with a fully buttoned-up compartment wouldn't present that problem. Benn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Byrnes" To: "Bob Williams" ; "land speed list" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire alarm lite > Hi Bob > I should have been a little more explicit in my first note. > > The automatic fire bottle is in addition to manually activated bottles. > In > my car there is another 30 pounds and on the Ford Fusion I had an > additional > 20 pounds that I control with manual cables, just like always. The light > tells me the first bottle went off automatically and I drive to emergency > side of the course and bail if its still on fire. Of course after setting > off the second bottle for the engine bay, or the third bottle if I can > feel > fire as far forward as I am. > I have practiced the drill many times in preparation for this past season > as > I have an inordinate fear of fire. > > Relative to the Orbis smoke detector, I do not know if it is the best, but > in the enclosed space of the car, it is enough. > > Also, the chances of a false alarm with smoke detector is much better than > with the IR and UV sensors. Some real aerospace type of sensors get much > better, but still have some incidence of false alarm. The cheaper the > sensing system, the more potential problems with false alarms. > The use of smoke sensor was a pretty comfortable move for me, in addition > to > more than half a dozen H2 sensors set at very sensitive levels. On one > run > we got shut down because one of these sensors picking up a minute amount > at > the rear of the car. The guys replumbed the exhaust outlet and no more > problem. > > I think I would suggest some additional research to make sure you can be > happy with whatever sensor you choose. > The logic of smoke sensor when flames may be almost invisable seems really > good to me. > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > karhu at california.com > > Land-speed mailing list > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Thu Dec 20 19:02:01 2007 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:02:01 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Fire alarm lite References: <4768B36D.7030407@charter.net><4768B549.9070804@mayfco.com><001301c84327$04161240$6601a8c0@Rick><001b01c84347$3b3aafe0$c07ba8c0@dell01><001201c84348$2e3f0f10$6601a8c0@Rick> <001101c8435a$80892b90$6801a8c0@BennsDesktop> Message-ID: <000901c84375$7aef8010$6601a8c0@Rick> I looked at Infra Red and Ultraviolet sensors and found a high frequency of false alarms until you get into the very pricy mil spec kind of system. Around $2000. When we looked at the alternative smoke sensor in a fully enclosed car ( With a belly pan the Fusion was "fully buttoned-up.) Since the rear end of my car is so long, my plan was for two smoke sensors one at each end, wired into the same control unit. I do intentionally flow some air thru the engine bay, but with sensors mounted properly, I think we can cover most cases of an on board fire. One mounted high in front of the engine and the second low and in the tail below the fuel tank. Range of the sensor is I think 15 meters. There are not many places I have looked for the cheap way to do things on my car or the Ford project, but this is one that just works. More practical testing will follow on my car. Rick Thanks for the feed back. From neil at dbelltech.com Fri Dec 21 11:23:47 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:23:47 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Fire alarm lite In-Reply-To: <000901c84375$7aef8010$6601a8c0@Rick> References: <4768B36D.7030407@charter.net><4768B549.9070804@mayfco.com><001301c84327$04161240$6601a8c0@Rick><001b01c84347$3b3aafe0$c07ba8c0@dell01><001201c84348$2e3f0f10$6601a8c0@Rick><001101c8435a$80892b90$6801a8c0@BennsDesktop> <000901c84375$7aef8010$6601a8c0@Rick> Message-ID: <00a101c843fe$a1228f50$0200a8c0@DBTech> Rick; The flame sensors that I bought surplus were made by Kidde Aerospace. They are supposed to be pretty good but we'll see. Another type of fire sensor is the linear cable type such as: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KIDDE-FENWALL-35680-2-400-SENSING-ELEMENT-FIR E-OVERHEAT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26436QQihZ016QQitemZ260195050052QQrdZ1 QQsspagenameZWDVW These have two or more wires running through them that are insulated from each other by a material that drops its resistance at high temperature; by measuring the resistance between the wires you can detect an overheat condition. The cable can be routed around an engine compartment to cover a large area. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rick Byrnes Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:02 PM To: Benn; land speed list Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Fire alarm lite I looked at Infra Red and Ultraviolet sensors and found a high frequency of false alarms until you get into the very pricy mil spec kind of system. Around $2000. When we looked at the alternative smoke sensor in a fully enclosed car ( With a belly pan the Fusion was "fully buttoned-up.) Since the rear end of my car is so long, my plan was for two smoke sensors one at each end, wired into the same control unit. I do intentionally flow some air thru the engine bay, but with sensors mounted properly, I think we can cover most cases of an on board fire. One mounted high in front of the engine and the second low and in the tail below the fuel tank. Range of the sensor is I think 15 meters. There are not many places I have looked for the cheap way to do things on my car or the Ford project, but this is one that just works. More practical testing will follow on my car. Rick From wester6935 at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 12:19:06 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:19:06 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] photos Message-ID: <51007F14-45D8-4A90-8775-3FE15ACB317B@comcast.net> Chryslers at SEMA. http://semadigital.com/netpub/server.np?fc_c=1072194x2246841x56786965&find=&field=Make&op=contains&value=Chrysler&catalog=catalog&site=showvehicle07&sorton=Priority&template=results.np From sparky.2211 at cox.net Sat Dec 15 17:27:53 2007 From: sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:27:53 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] I think today is the day.. References: <000501c83f6a$b26e8590$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Message-ID: <000801c8442c$a9171090$9b9d11ac@panasonicfb918> YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!Donna for a weak Moment---or was Joe just that that smooth!!!!!!!!!!congrats guys have FUNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Dick J'" ; "'lsr list autox'" Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: [Land-speed] I think today is the day.. > Lets all celebrate Joe and Donna getting married.. Smile.. a nice > couple of people with a lot of care for each other.. > Dave From dlodom at charter.net Sun Dec 23 11:22:28 2007 From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:22:28 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh Message-ID: <476EA764.9060601@charter.net> Now I live kind of in the country so we have had chickens 10-12 for eggs ( no crowing roosters ). Now this last week something has been getting in a killing 2 or three chickens a night. I set a trap outside the chicken house and catch the opposem and take it away. This happens every 5 or 6 years. Now this morning I get up and I got a skunk in the trap. So if you think you have a problem today just ask yourself if you want to trade problems with me? Doug Odom in big ditch......trying to figure out how to get the skunk out of the trap without him going off. LOL From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Dec 23 11:27:55 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:27:55 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh In-Reply-To: <476EA764.9060601@charter.net> References: <476EA764.9060601@charter.net> Message-ID: <476EA8AB.90005@mayfco.com> Call the Arroyo Grande Animal Control, let them figure it out.. You stand well back and watch and take pictures, lol.. mayf DougOdom wrote: >Now I live kind of in the country so we have had chickens 10-12 for >eggs ( no crowing roosters ). Now this last week something has been >getting in a killing 2 or three chickens a night. I set a trap outside >the chicken house and catch the opposem and take it away. This happens >every 5 or 6 years. Now this morning I get up and I got a skunk in the >trap. So if you think you have a problem today just ask yourself if you >want to trade problems with me? >Doug Odom in big ditch......trying to figure out how to get the skunk >out of the trap without him going off. LOL >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Land-speed mailing list > >You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From ddahlgren at snet.net Sun Dec 23 11:28:14 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:28:14 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh In-Reply-To: <476EA764.9060601@charter.net> Message-ID: <002601c84591$94e7e8e0$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> You need to disarm the skunk.. Got a gun? All in honor of the slain chickens.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DougOdom Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 1:22 PM To: Landspeed List Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh Now I live kind of in the country so we have had chickens 10-12 for eggs ( no crowing roosters ). Now this last week something has been getting in a killing 2 or three chickens a night. I set a trap outside the chicken house and catch the opposem and take it away. This happens every 5 or 6 years. Now this morning I get up and I got a skunk in the trap. So if you think you have a problem today just ask yourself if you want to trade problems with me? Doug Odom in big ditch......trying to figure out how to get the skunk out of the trap without him going off. LOL No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1189 - Release Date: 12/18/2007 9:40 PM From v4gr at rcn.com Sun Dec 23 12:05:52 2007 From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:05:52 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh References: <476EA764.9060601@charter.net> Message-ID: <002c01c84596$d701a7c0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> I have heard they can't spray if they can't get their tail up. Might be wrong. 22 sounds about right to me. RF ----- Original Message ----- From: "DougOdom" To: "Landspeed List" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh > Now I live kind of in the country so we have had chickens 10-12 for > eggs ( no crowing roosters ). Now this last week something has been > getting in a killing 2 or three chickens a night. I set a trap outside > the chicken house and catch the opposem and take it away. This happens > every 5 or 6 years. Now this morning I get up and I got a skunk in the > trap. So if you think you have a problem today just ask yourself if you > want to trade problems with me? > Doug Odom in big ditch......trying to figure out how to get the skunk > out of the From kturk at ala.net Sun Dec 23 12:08:52 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:08:52 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh References: <476EA764.9060601@charter.net> <002c01c84596$d701a7c0$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <027301c84597$539a0480$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> .22 size pellets in the SHOT GUN... LOL over kill in situations of this nature are totally warrented... and often desired... K From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 23 12:26:58 2007 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:26:58 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning Mr. Skunk In-Reply-To: <476EA8AB.90005@mayfco.com> References: <476EA764.9060601@charter.net> <476EA8AB.90005@mayfco.com> Message-ID: CHOICES; 1] throw a cloth bag over the skunk and trap, feel around through it and un-clamp the trap, (careful ! you'll get bit!) the grab the bag and run like hell.... 2] shoot the skunk in the brainpan from 25 feet with a scoped .22 then un-clamp. 3] just don't go anywhere near the trap for 3-4 months and the smell will just naturally 'go green' 4] Or, as Mayf said, call the Animal Control people, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to 'drop by' oh BTW: have a Merry Christmas LOL! c heers, "Dirt Track Doug" in exile in So. New York, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:27:55 -0800 > From: drmayf at mayfco.com > To: dlodom at charter.net > CC: land-speed at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh > > Call the Arroyo Grande Animal Control, let them figure it out.. You > stand well back and watch and take pictures, lol.. > > mayf > DougOdom wrote: > > >Now I live kind of in the country so we have had chickens 10-12 for > >eggs ( no crowing roosters ). Now this last week something has been > >getting in a killing 2 or three chickens a night. I set a trap outside > >the chicken house and catch the possum and take it away. This happens > >every 5 or 6 years. Now this morning I get up and I got a skunk in the > >trap. So if you think you have a problem today just ask yourself if you > >want to trade problems with me? > >Doug Odom in big ditch......trying to figure out how to get the skunk out of the trap without him going off. LOL _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 From joyseydevil at comcast.net Sun Dec 23 13:19:01 2007 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:19:01 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh Message-ID: <001801c845a1$0ec8c8f0$446b2544@john> Once had the same problem . In my case it was necessary to shoot from close range . Shot him right in the head with a 22 long . After 50 years can clearly remember just avoiding the squirt of green fluid . Use something bigger than a 22 . > Now I live kind of in the country so we have had chickens 10-12 for > eggs ( no crowing roosters ). Now this last week something has been > getting in a killing 2 or three chickens a night. I set a trap outside > the chicken house and catch the opposem and take it away. This happens > every 5 or 6 years. Now this morning I get up and I got a skunk in the > trap. So if you think you have a problem today just ask yourself if you > want to trade problems with me? > Doug Odom in big ditch......trying to figure out how to get the skunk > out of the trap without him going off. LOL From wester6935 at comcast.net Sun Dec 23 13:28:57 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:28:57 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh In-Reply-To: <476EA764.9060601@charter.net> References: <476EA764.9060601@charter.net> Message-ID: <3361D8BF-A9F3-4AB4-92F3-AC662C78E946@comcast.net> Makes me glad it was a weasel that got into our chickens. Only time I ever saw my grandfather use a shotgun but it only took one shot. Wes On Dec 23, 2007, at 11:22 AM, DougOdom wrote: > Now I live kind of in the country so we have had chickens 10-12 for > eggs ( no crowing roosters ). Now this last week something has been > getting in a killing 2 or three chickens a night. I set a trap outside > the chicken house and catch the opposem and take it away. This happens > every 5 or 6 years. Now this morning I get up and I got a skunk in the > trap. So if you think you have a problem today just ask yourself if > you > want to trade problems with me? > Doug Odom in big ditch......trying to figure out how to get the skunk > out of the trap without him going off. LOL > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as wester6935 at comcast.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From john.szalay at att.net Sun Dec 23 13:28:33 2007 From: john.szalay at att.net (John Szalay) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:28:33 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh Message-ID: <122320072028.23840.476EC4F10006E39900005D2022230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E040E969CD202080106@att.net> How about a dose of Nitrous Oxide, and put it to sleep ? bottle of nitro and a long hose.. after he goes to sleep, and very short car ride. -------------- Original message from DougOdom : -------------- > Now I live kind of in the country so we have had chickens 10-12 for > eggs ( no crowing roosters ). Now this last week something has been > getting in a killing 2 or three chickens a night. I set a trap outside > the chicken house and catch the opposem and take it away. This happens > every 5 or 6 years. Now this morning I get up and I got a skunk in the > trap. So if you think you have a problem today just ask yourself if you > want to trade problems with me? > Doug Odom in big ditch......trying to figure out how to get the skunk > out of the trap without him going off. LOL From wester6935 at comcast.net Sun Dec 23 13:32:34 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:32:34 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Googled skunk trap ... non lsr Message-ID: <620AF64F-68A1-4B7C-9680-3B3F00277B97@comcast.net> http://www.aaanimalcontrol.com/skunktrap.htm http://www.pestproducts.com/trapcover.htm From adin at frontier.net Sun Dec 23 14:10:46 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:10:46 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh In-Reply-To: <476EA764.9060601@charter.net> References: <476EA764.9060601@charter.net> Message-ID: <20071223141046.bu807bjpws8s0ko0@webmail.brainstorminternet.net> .44 magnum - makes a mess but no smell. .22 - cleaner but stinky. Been there, done that. btw, a friend tried to drown a skunk by submerging the trap in the irrigation ditch for about a 1/2 hour. One wet and pissed off skunk. David, skunk boy in durango (Durango, CO if you are wondering.) Quoting DougOdom : > Now I live kind of in the country so we have had chickens 10-12 for > eggs ( no crowing roosters ). Now this last week something has been > getting in a killing 2 or three chickens a night. I set a trap outside > the chicken house and catch the opposem and take it away. This happens > every 5 or 6 years. Now this morning I get up and I got a skunk in the > trap. So if you think you have a problem today just ask yourself if you > want to trade problems with me? > Doug Odom in big ditch......trying to figure out how to get the skunk > out of the trap without him going off. LOL > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as adin at frontier.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From adin at frontier.net Sun Dec 23 14:16:28 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:16:28 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh In-Reply-To: <122320072028.23840.476EC4F10006E39900005D2022230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E040E969CD202080106@att.net> References: <122320072028.23840.476EC4F10006E39900005D2022230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF970E040E969CD202080106@att.net> Message-ID: <20071223141628.iyduhozmzokgkkgg@webmail.brainstorminternet.net> ONe can bag the cage and connect a 68 Pontiac exhaust to the bag. Have a beer or two while the poncho idles . . . . If you get skunked good, it smells like burning tires . . . Quoting John Szalay : > How about a dose of Nitrous Oxide, and put it to sleep ? > bottle of nitro and a long hose.. > after he goes to sleep, and very short car ride. > > > > > > -------------- Original message from DougOdom : > -------------- > > >> Now I live kind of in the country so we have had chickens 10-12 for >> eggs ( no crowing roosters ). Now this last week something has been >> getting in a killing 2 or three chickens a night. I set a trap outside >> the chicken house and catch the opposem and take it away. This happens >> every 5 or 6 years. Now this morning I get up and I got a skunk in the >> trap. So if you think you have a problem today just ask yourself if you >> want to trade problems with me? >> Doug Odom in big ditch......trying to figure out how to get the skunk >> out of the trap without him going off. LOL > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as adin at frontier.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From yesford at clear.net.nz Sun Dec 23 16:40:46 2007 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:40:46 +1300 Subject: [Land-speed] It's Christmas Eve Message-ID: <945AB98E611047A09666813CAFB32BA1@ChrisHarrisPC> To all the great people on the List, Here, .........'Down Under' it's Christmas Eve and we'd like to wish one and all the very best, hoping you all have a festive Christmas and a great forthcoming New Year. I'm sure the scene is more typical for John & Nancy W and everyone else who are snowed in but personally I'll settle for this great 90 degree day with a warm breeze and visibility forever. Remember...........LIFE IS GOOD. THE HARRIS FAMILY.............New Zealand. PS The salt will be great in 08.. From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 23 18:09:53 2007 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 01:09:53 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] It's Christmas Eve In-Reply-To: <945AB98E611047A09666813CAFB32BA1@ChrisHarrisPC> References: <945AB98E611047A09666813CAFB32BA1@ChrisHarrisPC> Message-ID: God bless each and every one Tiny Tim -and to all our downunder pals we share ! Hi to Nigel, Chris! cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in exile in wet, & raining So. New York, -22 miles from Square Deal Raceway, -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway, -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway -105 miles south of "the Syracuse Mile" ... -265 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway -2225 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats and never more than a few feet from a cold one xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:40:46 +1300 > From: yesford at clear.net.nz > To: land-speed at autox.team.net > Subject: [Land-speed] It's Christmas Eve > > To all the great people on the List, > > Here, .........'Down Under' it's Christmas Eve and we'd like to wish one and > all the very best, hoping you all have a festive Christmas and a great > forthcoming New Year. > > I'm sure the scene is more typical for John & Nancy W and everyone else who > are snowed in but personally I'll settle for this great 90 degree day with a > warm breeze and visibility forever. > > Remember...........LIFE IS GOOD. > > THE HARRIS FAMILY.............New Zealand. > > > > PS The salt will be great in 08.. _________________________________________________________________ im is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect From ed at vetteracing.com Sun Dec 23 18:31:47 2007 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 01:31:47 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh Message-ID: There is an old Marine saying........ "There are very few problems high explosives won't solve" Ed Van Scoy #128 B/GT Corvette SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Turk [mailto:kturk at ala.net] >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:08 PM >To: 'Rich Fox', 'DougOdom', 'Landspeed List' >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh > >.22 size pellets in the SHOT GUN... LOL > >over kill in situations of this nature are totally warrented... and often >desired... > >K >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Land-speed mailing list > >You are subscribed as ed at vetteracing.com > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From wester6935 at comcast.net Sun Dec 23 20:17:51 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:17:51 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Fair Warning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <708B6662-A519-4773-8FAA-113BC2FB59A1@comcast.net> That's what you get for driving a car with a back seat! Wes On Dec 23, 2007, at 6:22 PM, Doug Anderson wrote: > > > > > > A "heads up" for those of you who may be Home Depot customers. > > Over the last month I became a victim of a clever scam while out > shopping. > Simply going out to get supplies has turned out to be quite traumatic. > Don't be naive enough to think it couldn't happen to you or your > friends. > > Here's how the scam works: > > Two seriously good-looking girls come over to your car > as you are packing your shopping into the trunk. > > They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and windex, > with their breasts almost falling out of their skimpy T-shirts. > > It is impossible not to look. > > When you thank them and offer them a tip, > they say "No" and instead, ask you for a ride to another store. > > You agree and they get in the back seat. > > On the way, they start undressing. > > Then one of them climbs over into the front seat > - and starts crawling all over you, having her way > > while the other one steals your wallet. > > I had my wallet stolen > > > November 4th, 9th, 10th, > twice on the 15th, 17th, 20th, & 24th. > > Also December 1st, 4th, twice on the 8th, > 4 times last week and three times just yesterday > > and very likely this coming weekend. > > So tell your friends to be careful. > > > cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in exile in So. New York, > > -22 miles from Square Deal Raceway, > -21 miles east of Action Park Speedway, > -63 miles northeast of Champion Speedway > -105 miles south of "the Syracuse Mile" ... > -265 miles north of Williams Grove Speedway > -2325 miles due east of the Bonneville Salt Flats > and never more than a few feet from a cold one > > -'point man' in the never-ending search for Hot Blues, > Cold Beer, Fast Cars, an' Warm Willin' Wimin' > > Speedway bikes, Harley D's and minibikes rode with equal joy, > Dog Training, Murdersickel parts, Emergency Zeppelin repairs, > Airship Surveillance, Politics exposed for what it is, Sprint > Cars, > > -and "Slide Jobs" appreciated for the FINE ART that they > are > > -------------------------- oooo --------------------------- > > > Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! Check it > out! From 23.weldon at comcast.net Sun Dec 23 20:24:23 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:24:23 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh References: Message-ID: <005101c845dc$7d12e0d0$6401a8c0@S> My son, David, the engineer, who grew up in skunk country, said quietly hook a 50 foot rope to the trap while the the skunk is sleeping, Tie it to the back of your truck and slowly drive off down the road a good ways, stop, cut the rope and leave the trap by the side of the road. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Keith Turk" ; "Rich Fox" ; "DougOdom" ; "Landspeed List" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh > There is an old Marine saying........ "There are very few problems high explosives won't solve" > Ed Van Scoy From BWANA343 at aol.com Sun Dec 23 20:28:43 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:28:43 EST Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh Message-ID: Gift wrap the trap, leave it on your ex wifes doorstep Christmas morning. Bob,creative,W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From ed at vetteracing.com Sun Dec 23 20:31:47 2007 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 03:31:47 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh Message-ID: That does it! Nobody can beat this suggestion.......... >-----Original Message----- >From: BWANA343 at aol.com [mailto:BWANA343 at aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 08:28 PM >To: land-speed at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh > >Gift wrap the trap, leave it on your ex wifes doorstep Christmas morning. >Bob,creative,W From ecpurinton at wildblue.net Sun Dec 23 21:15:34 2007 From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:15:34 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR: Good Sunday morning laugh Message-ID: <476F3266.9080803@wildblue.net> Ed, I have to agree, Bob's solution ranks #1. Been there, would have liked to have done that. For those not blessed with an ex there is a practical alternative. The driver of the #260 roadster is always looking for skunk bladders, uses the urine to lure/mask the traps he sets for fisher cats, pelt sales from which help finance the car operation. Ed Purinton From dlodom at charter.net Sun Dec 23 21:31:11 2007 From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:31:11 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Non LSR; Skunk story part 2 Message-ID: <476F360F.9090907@charter.net> Short story.....The skunk is alive and well and we only stink a little. Long story....... After getting lots of advice from people we decided the careful handling of the trap would be the best approach. I found a blanket and talking nicely to the cute little furry creature put the blanket over the trap. So far so good. Now I backed my truck close to the trap and talking nicely to the cute little furry guy. I lifted the trap and with the blanket covering it so he would not see anyone and be scared slowly put it in the back of my truck. Drove about 3 miles away to a dead end road that goes into a gully. Drove right by my friends house that loaned me the trap. Thought about returning the trap with the skunk inside but its way too close to Christmas and I know Santa is watching me real close. Now the cute little guy is not showing any signs of having any problems. So far so good. Carefully lift the trap out of the truck and put it on the ground. Now this is one of those traps that opens from both ends and is about 3 feet long and a foot wide and tall. slowly slide the blanket back far enough to get to the ends and open them. Now the little guy decids that he didn't want to leave. After I wait about 20 minutes he has not made any effort to move. Catch and release with fish is the catching part is the hard part not the releasing part. Now the little guy is becoming a pain in the butt. After 10 more minutes I start pushing on the side of the cage with a stick. The stupid little varmint is not moving. So I rock the trap a little and still no progress. Now the mangy little SOB is staring to piss me off. I need to be getting the streamliner motors in a crate to go to Australia and I'm standing at the end of a road waiting on a worthless little rodent to get the hell out of my life so I push on the side of the trap a little more. Well the trap tips over, scares the mangy flea bag varmint and he goes off inside the trap. Then he just walks out and down the road like nothing was wrong. He then stops and turns around and looks at me like it was all my fault. Now I have a trap that smells like stink, cloths that had to go into the washing machine and what ever has been killing my chickens is still out there. That was how I spent my Sunday.......Doug Odom in big ditch.....not wanting to hear any joke about the great white hunter From neil at dbelltech.com Mon Dec 24 09:56:57 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:56:57 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <018301c8464d$fed7a2b0$0200a8c0@DBTech> ...or you could put it in an old suitcase and leave it on the sidewalk downtown. It won't be long before somebody steals it. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BWANA343 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 8:29 PM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh Gift wrap the trap, leave it on your ex wifes doorstep Christmas morning. Bob,creative,W From neil at dbelltech.com Mon Dec 24 10:09:47 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:09:47 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] It's Christmas Eve In-Reply-To: <945AB98E611047A09666813CAFB32BA1@ChrisHarrisPC> References: <945AB98E611047A09666813CAFB32BA1@ChrisHarrisPC> Message-ID: <018401c8464f$c9f00450$0200a8c0@DBTech> Thanks, Chris-- and the same to you and everyone on this list. You get to have Christmas before we do so put in a good word for us to Santa. I remember years ago in Germany on New Years Eve hearing AFN Frankfurt (Armed Forces Network) announcing "It's New Years in Guam!", then an hour later "It's New Years in Sydney, Australia!" and so on around the globe for 24 hours. Best Wishes and a Merry Christmas to all. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Harris Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 4:41 PM To: Land speed list Subject: [Land-speed] It's Christmas Eve To all the great people on the List, Here, .........'Down Under' it's Christmas Eve and we'd like to wish one and all the very best, hoping you all have a festive Christmas and a great forthcoming New Year. I'm sure the scene is more typical for John & Nancy W and everyone else who are snowed in but personally I'll settle for this great 90 degree day with a warm breeze and visibility forever. Remember...........LIFE IS GOOD. THE HARRIS FAMILY.............New Zealand. PS The salt will be great in 08.. From dlodom at charter.net Mon Dec 24 12:10:59 2007 From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:10:59 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh In-Reply-To: <018301c8464d$fed7a2b0$0200a8c0@DBTech> References: <018301c8464d$fed7a2b0$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: <47700443.4090507@charter.net> neil at dbelltech.com wrote: >...or you could put it in an old suitcase and leave it on the sidewalk >downtown. It won't be long before somebody steals it. > >Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net >[mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >BWANA343 at aol.com >Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 8:29 PM >To: land-speed at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh > >Gift wrap the trap, leave it on your ex wifes doorstep Christmas morning. >Bob,creative,W > > Bob, My son in law really likes that idea!!!! LOL Doug From wester6935 at comcast.net Mon Dec 24 12:32:06 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:32:06 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Oscar Peterson dies, non LSR Message-ID: For anyone who likes jazz, this is a major loss. On one memorable night I sat on the front row at Shelley's Manne Hole in Hollywood, (a prime spot for jazz music in the 50's and 60's) when Oscar was playing, with my feet almost under the piano bench. I've heard him on other occasions but never with the same proximity. That's an evening I'll never forget. He leaves behind a legacy of over 60 recorded albums if I remember correctly. Breaking news here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22389614/ Wes From boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com Mon Dec 24 14:24:41 2007 From: boogiewoogie12 at hotmail.com (Doug Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:24:41 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Oscar Peterson dies, non LSR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: just heard of it on NPR there's gonna be some JAM tonite up there. I can hardly wait. cheers, "Dirt Track Doug" in exile in So. New York, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > From: wester6935 at comcast.net > To: land-speed at autox.team.net; glennpotter at sisna.com; Garyheiner at aol.com; ghoffman at ucsd.edu; gosar at amigo.com > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:32:06 -0700 > Subject: [Land-speed] Oscar Peterson dies, non LSR > > For anyone who likes jazz, this is a major loss. On one memorable > night I sat on the front row at Shelley's Manne Hole in Hollywood, (a > prime spot for jazz music in the 50's and 60's) when Oscar was > playing, with my feet almost under the piano bench. I've heard him on > other occasions but never with the same proximity. That's an evening > I'll never forget. He leaves behind a legacy of over 60 recorded > albums if I remember correctly. > > Breaking news here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22389614/ > > Wes _________________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ From mactem at mebtel.net Mon Dec 24 14:34:39 2007 From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:34:39 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Non-lsr Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Message-ID: <003d01c84674$cd12a140$0200a8c0@brightstar> To all the wonderful people that I have met and not met. Hope you and your family have a wonderful Holiday. David From kturk at ala.net Mon Dec 24 15:12:33 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:12:33 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh References: <018301c8464d$fed7a2b0$0200a8c0@DBTech> <47700443.4090507@charter.net> Message-ID: <037301c8467a$15d7ae70$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Doug... I'm thinking that's not a WINNER ... Your son in law... oh nevermind... trust me on this one you ain't going to like the outcome... K From websters at pyramid.net Mon Dec 24 15:51:55 2007 From: websters at pyramid.net (Dan) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:51:55 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Non Lsr Message-ID: <000a01c8467f$951e21f0$6401a8c0@gateway> To all on the list Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Take care Dan Webster Car # 313 Carson City, Nevada From kturk at ala.net Mon Dec 24 15:49:40 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:49:40 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Non Lsr References: <000a01c8467f$951e21f0$6401a8c0@gateway> Message-ID: <037a01c8467f$4c348380$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Merry Christmas to all... and Dan... it sure is good to see you... send us a post about what your doing for next year... K From BWANA343 at aol.com Mon Dec 24 16:11:00 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:11:00 EST Subject: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings Message-ID: Happy Christmas and a healthy prosperous New Year to everybody, with emphasis on the healthy. Every year I meet a few more of the LSR crowd, really looking to making a lot of acquaintances in person this coming year . Our average life span is getting longer, our sport is getting safer, we can do this forever !!! Bob and Angie Wanner in New York **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From kturk at ala.net Mon Dec 24 16:16:52 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:16:52 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings References: Message-ID: <039f01c84683$13588e90$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> I'm 75 days into making mine longer... Still want a smoke... but not so bad these days... K ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 5:11 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings > Happy Christmas and a healthy prosperous New Year to everybody, with > emphasis on the healthy. > Every year I meet a few more of the LSR crowd, really looking to making a > lot of acquaintances in person this coming year . Our average life span is > getting longer, our sport is getting safer, we can do this forever !!! > Bob and Angie Wanner in New York > > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as kturk at adelphia.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From adin at frontier.net Mon Dec 24 16:18:31 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:18:31 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh In-Reply-To: <47700443.4090507@charter.net> References: <018301c8464d$fed7a2b0$0200a8c0@DBTech> <47700443.4090507@charter.net> Message-ID: <20071224161831.0gyrfads00ckskg8@webmail.brainstorminternet.net> Almost worth getting a skunk just to have some fun . . . . Quoting DougOdom : > neil at dbelltech.com wrote: > >> ...or you could put it in an old suitcase and leave it on the sidewalk >> downtown. It won't be long before somebody steals it. >> >> Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> BWANA343 at aol.com >> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 8:29 PM >> To: land-speed at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh >> >> Gift wrap the trap, leave it on your ex wifes doorstep Christmas morning. >> Bob,creative,W >> >> > Bob, My son in law really likes that idea!!!! LOL Doug > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as adin at frontier.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From adin at frontier.net Mon Dec 24 16:20:11 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (adin at frontier.net) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:20:11 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Oscar Peterson dies, non LSR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071224162011.yx0fr4llva8o4kg4@webmail.brainstorminternet.net> That is a loss - one of my favorites. D in D Quoting Wester Potter : > For anyone who likes jazz, this is a major loss. On one memorable > night I sat on the front row at Shelley's Manne Hole in Hollywood, (a > prime spot for jazz music in the 50's and 60's) when Oscar was > playing, with my feet almost under the piano bench. I've heard him on > other occasions but never with the same proximity. That's an evening > I'll never forget. He leaves behind a legacy of over 60 recorded > albums if I remember correctly. > > Breaking news here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22389614/ > > Wes > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as adin at frontier.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From wester6935 at comcast.net Mon Dec 24 16:29:11 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:29:11 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Merry Christmas ... but first Happy Birthday. Not LSR Message-ID: <4ECFE46A-CF2F-4282-BFE1-036B7C52EE3E@comcast.net> Soon we'll be out the door to go to my wife's birthday party. Once again she is only seven years younger than I am. Looks fifteen years younger. Her folks always made a big fuss about her birthday and that is a break for me because it separates the day from Christmas. About Christmas: For all the land-speed family ... have a great Christmas! President Hunter said this some fifteen or so years ago. It's worth repeating and remembering. > Christmas is a time when we can give the greatest gifts. Christmas > is a time for giving. Someone once said he couldn't think of what to > give for Christmas. The next day in the mail he received an > anonymous list which read: > Give to your enemy forgiveness, > To your opponent tolerance, > To your friend your heart, > To all men charity, for the hands that help are holier than lips > that pray, > To every child a good example, and to yourself-respect. > > All of us need to follow the example of the Savior in giving these > kinds of gifts. > > This Christmas, "Mend a quarrel. Seek out a forgotten friend. > Dismiss suspicion and replace it with trust. Write a letter. Give a > soft answer. Encourage youth. Manifest your loyalty in word and > deed. Keep a promise. Forgo a grudge. Forgive an enemy. Apologize. > Try to understand. Examine your demands on others. Think first of > someone else. Be kind. Be gentle. Laugh a little more. Express your > gratitude. Welcome a stranger. Gladden the heart of a child. Take > pleasure in the beauty and wonder of the earth. Speak your love and > then speak it again." (Adapted from an unknown author.) Christmas is > a celebration, and there is no celebration that compares with the > realization of its true meaning-with the sudden stirring of the > heart that has extended itself unselfishly in the things that matter > most. (94-20) > > You can find the true spirit of Christmas by turning your heart to > God. If you desire to find the true spirit of Christmas and partake > of the sweetness of it, let me make this suggestion to you. During > the hurry of the festive occasion of this Christmas season, find > time to turn your heart to God. Perhaps in the quiet hours, and in a > quiet place, and on your knees-alone or with loved ones-give thanks > for the good things that have come to you, and ask that his Spirit > might dwell in you as you earnestly strive to serve him and keep his > commandments. He will take you by the hand and his promises will be > kept. > > President Howard W. Hunter From ecpurinton at wildblue.net Mon Dec 24 16:32:12 2007 From: ecpurinton at wildblue.net (Ed Purinton) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:32:12 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings Message-ID: <4770417C.6040208@wildblue.net> To all involved in the Land Speed Racing community - one of the best groups I've ever known. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Ed Purinton From neil at dbelltech.com Mon Dec 24 16:54:45 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:54:45 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Oscar Peterson dies, non LSR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002001c84688$5c9e3d70$0200a8c0@DBTech> Wes, That must have been a wonderful experience! Fortunately his recordings will live on and he will be appreciated for years to come. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wester Potter Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 12:32 PM To: LAND SPEED LIST; Glenn T Potter; Gary Heiner; GaryHoffman; Greg Gosar Subject: [Land-speed] Oscar Peterson dies, non LSR For anyone who likes jazz, this is a major loss. On one memorable night I sat on the front row at Shelley's Manne Hole in Hollywood, (a prime spot for jazz music in the 50's and 60's) when Oscar was playing, with my feet almost under the piano bench. I've heard him on other occasions but never with the same proximity. That's an evening I'll never forget. He leaves behind a legacy of over 60 recorded albums if I remember correctly. Breaking news here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22389614/ Wes Land-speed mailing list You are subscribed as neil at dbelltech.com http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From neil at dbelltech.com Mon Dec 24 16:57:16 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:57:16 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] It's Christmas Eve References: <945AB98E611047A09666813CAFB32BA1@ChrisHarrisPC> Message-ID: <002101c84688$b66aac80$0200a8c0@DBTech> -----Original Message----- From: neil at dbelltech.com [mailto:neil at dbelltech.com] Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:10 AM To: 'Chris Harris'; 'Land speed list' Subject: RE: [Land-speed] It's Christmas Eve Thanks, Chris-- and the same to you and everyone on this list. You get to have Christmas before we do so put in a good word for us to Santa. I remember years ago in Germany on New Years Eve hearing AFN Frankfurt (Armed Forces Network) announcing "It's New Years in Guam!", then an hour later "It's New Years in Sydney, Australia!" and so on around the globe for 24 hours. Best Wishes and a Merry Christmas to all. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Harris Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 4:41 PM To: Land speed list Subject: [Land-speed] It's Christmas Eve To all the great people on the List, Here, .........'Down Under' it's Christmas Eve and we'd like to wish one and all the very best, hoping you all have a festive Christmas and a great forthcoming New Year. I'm sure the scene is more typical for John & Nancy W and everyone else who are snowed in but personally I'll settle for this great 90 degree day with a warm breeze and visibility forever. Remember...........LIFE IS GOOD. THE HARRIS FAMILY.............New Zealand. PS The salt will be great in 08.. From ed at vetteracing.com Mon Dec 24 16:58:52 2007 From: ed at vetteracing.com (Ed Van Scoy) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:58:52 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings Message-ID: Grettings to all and a safe & successful racing season in 08!!! Ed Van Scoy #128 B/GT Corvette SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Turk [mailto:kturk at ala.net] >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 04:16 PM >To: BWANA343 at aol.com, land-speed at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings > >I'm 75 days into making mine longer... Still want a smoke... but not so bad >these days... > >K >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 5:11 PM >Subject: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings > > >> Happy Christmas and a healthy prosperous New Year to everybody, with >> emphasis on the healthy. >> Every year I meet a few more of the LSR crowd, really looking to making a >> lot of acquaintances in person this coming year . Our average life span is >> getting longer, our sport is getting safer, we can do this forever !!! >> Bob and Angie Wanner in New York From Rick at RBMotorsports.com Mon Dec 24 17:10:45 2007 From: Rick at RBMotorsports.com (Rick Byrnes) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:10:45 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings Message-ID: <003a01c8468a$99c5d710$6601a8c0@Rick> Merry Christmas to everyone. and a very fast New Year Rick and Glenys From bobbyhotrods at comcast.net Mon Dec 24 17:23:55 2007 From: bobbyhotrods at comcast.net (bobbyhotrods at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:23:55 +0000 Subject: [Land-speed] Christmas Query Message-ID: <122520070023.5095.47704D9B000DE494000013E722007601809C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net> Merry Christmas everyone! I've got a question about plugging holes in a block. The motor was purchased assembled and has been run; now it's time to change things over to a dry sump. The holes that need to be plugged are 3/8" and 3/4", the block's cast iron, and I'm not tapping them upside down with a shop vac going unless I have to. I've got an idea or two that would work I suppose. The plugs can be permanent. I've got a lathe. What say ye, cognescenti? Thanks, BJ in the Bean, where it finally thawed From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Dec 24 17:47:23 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:47:23 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings References: Message-ID: <004b01c8468f$bceaef00$6401a8c0@Glens> A Merry Christmas to all of our LSR people, and their families. Also to the people in the military that keep us safe so we can have the freedom to do the things we enjoy. Have a safe holiday season and the best of a new year. Glen & Carol Barrett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Van Scoy" To: "Keith Turk" ; ; Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings > Grettings to all and a safe & successful racing season in 08!!! > > Ed Van Scoy > #128 B/GT Corvette > SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Keith Turk [mailto:kturk at ala.net] >>Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 04:16 PM >>To: BWANA343 at aol.com, land-speed at autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings >> >>I'm 75 days into making mine longer... Still want a smoke... but not so >>bad >>these days... >> >>K >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: >>Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 5:11 PM >>Subject: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings >> >> >>> Happy Christmas and a healthy prosperous New Year to everybody, with >>> emphasis on the healthy. >>> Every year I meet a few more of the LSR crowd, really looking to making >>> a >>> lot of acquaintances in person this coming year . Our average life span >>> is >>> getting longer, our sport is getting safer, we can do this forever !!! >>> Bob and Angie Wanner in New York > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From 23.weldon at comcast.net Mon Dec 24 18:51:34 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:51:34 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <003201c84698$b05edf40$6401a8c0@S> To all our friends in landspeed racing, the ones whose names I can remember and the ones who I hardly know.... Have a fun in your holiday celebration. It's a great association to be connected with. Merry Christmas, all, Ed and Sandy Weldon From 23.weldon at comcast.net Mon Dec 24 18:55:44 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:55:44 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Christmas Query References: <122520070023.5095.47704D9B000DE494000013E722007601809C0B019D9B0108970D0D010D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003701c84699$45b2b760$6401a8c0@S> BJ-- Where do the holes go from and to? Do they have to seal pressure? Are they in the head or the block? Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Landspeed" Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: [Land-speed] Christmas Query > Merry Christmas everyone! > I've got a question about plugging holes in a block. The motor was purchased assembled and has been run; now it's time to change things over to a dry sump. The holes that need to be plugged are 3/8" and 3/4", the block's cast iron, and I'm not tapping them upside down with a shop vac going unless I have to. > I've got an idea or two that would work I suppose. The plugs can be permanent. I've got a lathe. What say ye, cognescenti? Thanks, BJ in the Bean, where it finally thawed From saltfevr at q.com Tue Dec 25 12:56:52 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:56:52 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Right back at 'ya Ed and to your lovely wife Linda. And to the rest of you ruffians and scoundrels ,Happiest of New Year and hope to see you all "on the salt" in 2008 somewhere along the "Thin Black Line".Tom & Cathy ShannonMagna, Utah> From: ed at vetteracing.com> To: kturk at ala.net; BWANA343 at aol.com; land-speed at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:58:52 +0000> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings> > Grettings to all and a safe & successful racing season in 08!!!> > Ed Van Scoy> #128 B/GT Corvette> SCTA-BNI/Gear Grinder> > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----> >From: Keith Turk [mailto:kturk at ala.net]> >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 04:16 PM> >To: BWANA343 at aol.com, land-speed at autox.team.net> >Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings> >> >I'm 75 days into making mine longer... Still want a smoke... but not so bad > >these days...> >> >K> >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 5:11 PM> >Subject: [Land-speed] Holiday Greetings> >> >> >> Happy Christmas and a healthy prosperous New Year to everybody, with> >> emphasis on the healthy.> >> Every year I meet a few more of the LSR crowd, really looking to making a> >> lot of acquaintances in person this coming year . Our average life span is> >> getting longer, our sport is getting safer, we can do this forever !!!> >> Bob and Angie Wanner in New York> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Land-speed mailing list> > You are subscribed as saltfevr at q.com> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From saltfevr at q.com Tue Dec 25 13:03:54 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:03:54 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob; What if I got 2 ex wives?? Just wonderin' ?? LOLTom ShannonMagna, Utah> From: BWANA343 at aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:28:43 -0500> To: land-speed at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] NON LSR : Good Sunday morning laugh> > Gift wrap the trap, leave it on your ex wifes doorstep Christmas morning.> Bob,creative,W> > > > **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Land-speed mailing list> > You are subscribed as saltfevr at q.com> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From saltfevr at q.com Tue Dec 25 13:37:14 2007 From: saltfevr at q.com (TOM M SHANNON) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:37:14 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] non-lsr John Force Christmas Message-ID: A little dated from Dec. 2002, but if you haven't read Johns childhood story its helps ground us all. Enjoy http://www.nhra.com/2002/news/December/122301.html If link doesn't fire: go http://www.nhra.com and see archivesTom ShannonMagna, Utah From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Tue Dec 25 16:11:42 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:11:42 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Tuesday chat Message-ID: <000801c8474b$89a74820$6401a8c0@Glens> Just wondering if anyone will be on the chat line later. We are going to be out for a while and hope to get on line for a short period. If not, hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas and Santa brought you all of the speed goodies to go fast next season. Glen From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Dec 27 08:27:44 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:27:44 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] 1987- 1991 Toyota VAF wiring Message-ID: <4773C470.4070004@mayfco.com> Any of you folk have a wiring diagram for the 1987 - 1991 Toyota Camry Vane Air Flow meter? LSR content, this VAF may get used on the 61 cubic inch turbocharged scream fury Chevy Spint. If It has the proper flow, and electrical charcteristics. I need the hraness pin out information for the connector and if possible the input and output voltages and any grounds, etc. thanks, mayf From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Thu Dec 27 08:37:12 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:37:12 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] remedial aerodynamics In-Reply-To: <4773C470.4070004@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Would anyone want to explain what these do and how??? Is it downforce? Negating drag? http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/snoopstang/mycarwing.jpg?t=11694315 90 Or???? Thanks, David in Durango From neil at dbelltech.com Thu Dec 27 09:12:49 2007 From: neil at dbelltech.com (neil at dbelltech.com) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:12:49 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] remedial aerodynamics In-Reply-To: References: <4773C470.4070004@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <00d201c848a3$53906420$0200a8c0@DBTech> David; It may do either or both, depending on the airflow over the rest of the body. The longitudinal ribs are structural supports but they do straighten the airflow and act somewhat as spill plates. WAG on my part, though. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Adin, David Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:37 AM To: LSR Subject: [Land-speed] remedial aerodynamics Would anyone want to explain what these do and how??? Is it downforce? Negating drag? http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/snoopstang/mycarwing.jpg?t=11694315 90 Or???? Thanks, David in Durango From DavidAdin at mercydurango.org Thu Dec 27 09:25:48 2007 From: DavidAdin at mercydurango.org (Adin, David) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:25:48 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] remedial aerodynamics In-Reply-To: <00d201c848a3$53906420$0200a8c0@DBTech> Message-ID: Thanks to all (so far) for the hints. (soft,warm,fuzzy "you guys are great" hand me a tissue) I've been doing a lot of WAG, too. Do "we" really know without a wind tunnel? Keith??? -----Original Message----- From: neil at dbelltech.com [mailto:neil at dbelltech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:13 AM To: Adin, David; 'LSR' Subject: RE: [Land-speed] remedial aerodynamics David; It may do either or both, depending on the airflow over the rest of the body. The longitudinal ribs are structural supports but they do straighten the airflow and act somewhat as spill plates. WAG on my part, though. Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+neil=dbelltech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Adin, David Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:37 AM To: LSR Subject: [Land-speed] remedial aerodynamics Would anyone want to explain what these do and how??? Is it downforce? Negating drag? http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/snoopstang/mycarwing.jpg?t=11694315 90 Or???? Thanks, David in Durango From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Dec 27 13:21:42 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:21:42 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] My Bum Timing Dash Plaque Message-ID: <47740956.8060104@mayfco.com> Remember when I asked about how to fix the dash plaque? Well, JD fixed it for me in no time! Now the reason I had asked about it before on the list was that there is an involved process from which the timing slips get inputed and then someone eelse looks at them and then JD finally gets the numbers to work with. I had figured that there could have been an error at any point in the process of getting them out the door. IN any case that which was farkled haaas now been unfarkled by JD. Thanks, JD I owe you a big orange drink of your choice or a RC Cola and Moon Pie... see me at my pit in August or Sept. mayf From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Thu Dec 27 13:59:02 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:59:02 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] My Bum Timing Dash Plaque References: <47740956.8060104@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <002401c848cb$4fe72b10$6401a8c0@Glens> We strive to be accurate. It is a long process to assure that it is. The trophies are engraved by someone else. The dash plaques are engraved by someone else that JD uses. The record certs are typed by JD and sent to me or Frank if El Mirage certs need to be signed. With the number of runs at all of the meets a screw up will get through. This year there were over 200 record certs to be signed after they were typed and sent to me. There were 12 that had to be made over.sent back and two other board members have to sign. They then go into the mail and if the correct address was given to JD we don't see them again. Trust me he has a stack of plaques and certs returned each year. And it's all done on volunteer time. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" To: "LSR" Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:21 PM Subject: [Land-speed] My Bum Timing Dash Plaque > Remember when I asked about how to fix the dash plaque? Well, JD fixed > it for me in no time! Now the reason I had asked about it before on the > list was that there is an involved process from which the timing slips > get inputed and then someone eelse looks at them and then JD finally > gets the numbers to work with. I had figured that there could have been > an error at any point in the process of getting them out the door. > > IN any case that which was farkled haaas now been unfarkled by JD. > > Thanks, JD I owe you a big orange drink of your choice or a RC Cola and > Moon Pie... see me at my pit in August or Sept. > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From kturk at ala.net Thu Dec 27 14:13:47 2007 From: kturk at ala.net (Keith Turk) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:13:47 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] remedial aerodynamics References: Message-ID: <067a01c848cd$61187ef0$6400a8c0@keithhrijwmm4p> Dang e-mail is a mess these days.... Hmmm I'd say they are supports for an incorrectly built spoiler... On the end of a spoiler they would be used to eliminate wing tip vorticies... but in the center maybe the guy is trying to locate downforce in a particular area.... I doubt they have any real value... but honestly I'm just guessing.. and would have to see a before and after with strain guages on each point across it... hmmm K From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Dec 27 14:43:31 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:43:31 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] My Bum Timing Dash Plaque In-Reply-To: <002401c848cb$4fe72b10$6401a8c0@Glens> References: <47740956.8060104@mayfco.com> <002401c848cb$4fe72b10$6401a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: <47741C83.2050902@mayfco.com> Glen, the process you describe is exactly th epont I was trying to make, lol. There are a lot of fingers in the bowl so who does one turn to? The last in the line of ovvf events? For all I knew it needed to start in the timing shack. I knew JD name was on th eenvelope inwhich it arrived but he was th elast in the list and the error could have been anywhere. In any case, JD did indeed fix my issue completely and satisfactorily and I owe him a debt of thanks and a drink of his choice. mayf Glen Barrett wrote: > We strive to be accurate. It is a long process to assure that it is. > The trophies are engraved by someone else. The dash plaques are > engraved by someone else that JD uses. The record certs are typed by > JD and sent to me or Frank if El Mirage certs need to be signed. With > the number of runs at all of the meets a screw up will get through. > This year there were over 200 record certs to be signed after they > were typed and sent to me. There were 12 that had to be made over.sent > back and two other board members have to sign. They then go into the > mail and if the correct address was given to JD we don't see them > again. Trust me he has a stack of plaques and certs returned each > year. And it's all done on volunteer time. > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" > To: "LSR" > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:21 PM > Subject: [Land-speed] My Bum Timing Dash Plaque > > >> Remember when I asked about how to fix the dash plaque? Well, JD fixed >> it for me in no time! Now the reason I had asked about it before on the >> list was that there is an involved process from which the timing slips >> get inputed and then someone eelse looks at them and then JD finally >> gets the numbers to work with. I had figured that there could have been >> an error at any point in the process of getting them out the door. >> >> IN any case that which was farkled haaas now been unfarkled by JD. >> >> Thanks, JD I owe you a big orange drink of your choice or a RC Cola and >> Moon Pie... see me at my pit in August or Sept. >> >> mayf >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Land-speed mailing list >> >> You are subscribed as speedtimer at beyondbb.com >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Dec 27 14:45:02 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:45:02 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] My Bum Timing Dash Plaque In-Reply-To: <47741C83.2050902@mayfco.com> References: <47740956.8060104@mayfco.com> <002401c848cb$4fe72b10$6401a8c0@Glens> <47741C83.2050902@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <47741CDE.2050602@mayfco.com> jeeze, that dumb sucker drmayf does not know how to type or proof read... mayf drmayf wrote: >Glen, the process you describe is exactly th epont I was trying to make, >lol. There are a lot of fingers in the bowl so who does one turn to? The >last in the line of ovvf events? For all I knew it needed to start in >the timing shack. I knew JD name was on th eenvelope inwhich it arrived >but he was th elast in the list and the error could have been anywhere. > >In any case, JD did indeed fix my issue completely and satisfactorily >and I owe him a debt of thanks and a drink of his choice. > >mayf >Glen Barrett wrote: > > > >>We strive to be accurate. It is a long process to assure that it is. >>The trophies are engraved by someone else. The dash plaques are >>engraved by someone else that JD uses. The record certs are typed by >>JD and sent to me or Frank if El Mirage certs need to be signed. With >>the number of runs at all of the meets a screw up will get through. >>This year there were over 200 record certs to be signed after they >>were typed and sent to me. There were 12 that had to be made over.sent >>back and two other board members have to sign. They then go into the >>mail and if the correct address was given to JD we don't see them >>again. Trust me he has a stack of plaques and certs returned each >>year. And it's all done on volunteer time. >>Glen >>----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" >>To: "LSR" >>Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:21 PM >>Subject: [Land-speed] My Bum Timing Dash Plaque >> >> >> >> >>>Remember when I asked about how to fix the dash plaque? Well, JD fixed >>>it for me in no time! Now the reason I had asked about it before on the >>>list was that there is an involved process from which the timing slips >>>get inputed and then someone eelse looks at them and then JD finally >>>gets the numbers to work with. I had figured that there could have been >>>an error at any point in the process of getting them out the door. >>> >>>IN any case that which was farkled haaas now been unfarkled by JD. >>> >>>Thanks, JD I owe you a big orange drink of your choice or a RC Cola and >>>Moon Pie... see me at my pit in August or Sept. >>> >>>mayf >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>>Land-speed mailing list >>> >>>You are subscribed as speedtimer at beyondbb.com >>> >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed >>> >>> >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Land-speed mailing list > >You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From mactem at mebtel.net Thu Dec 27 16:32:45 2007 From: mactem at mebtel.net (Mobley-Anderson) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:32:45 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] 1987- 1991 Toyota VAF Message-ID: <008a01c848e0$c9701860$0200a8c0@brightstar> Drmayf, Try this forum. There are a lot of knowledgable people on it just waiting to help somebody. http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/ Good luck in making it happen! David From yesford at clear.net.nz Sat Dec 29 15:59:53 2007 From: yesford at clear.net.nz (Chris Harris) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:59:53 +1300 Subject: [Land-speed] Contact info please. Message-ID: <0595C69F5FFD49739975D3368AE4EAC5@ChrisHarrisPC> List, I'm would like to contact Gary or Mike Brauer as I have an item they were looking for. An e-mail would be best, or what ever you've got. Thanks in advance, Chris Harris.................New Zealand. From Sparky.2211 at cox.net Mon Dec 31 07:35:02 2007 From: Sparky.2211 at cox.net (Sparky.2211) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:35:02 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] GM 10 bolt Message-ID: <4724A9B987E34323A7D92DCB09C898BF@LMS> Guys, does anyone know of a site that has a complete listing of GM 10 and 12 bolt rear axles aplications and codes---I have found a fairly complete 12 bolt Thanks Sparky AA/_ L 2211 Gear Grinder-SCTA From joyseydevil at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 07:59:22 2007 From: joyseydevil at comcast.net (John Burk) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:59:22 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] GM 10 bolt References: <4724A9B987E34323A7D92DCB09C898BF@LMS> Message-ID: <001901c84bbd$badcbdf0$446b2544@john> Sparky I found this when I Goggled "12 bolt" codes http://novaresource.org/axle.htm > Guys, does anyone know of a site that has a complete listing of GM 10 and > 12 > bolt rear axles aplications and codes---I have found a fairly complete 12 > bolt > > Thanks > Sparky > AA/_ L 2211 > Gear Grinder-SCTA From Saltrat at pahrump.com Mon Dec 31 10:03:04 2007 From: Saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:03:04 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler Message-ID: <20071231170318.0B60A187A49@autox.team.net> Happy New Year to everybody!!! Let's make it a safe one. I am looking for a coupler that will connect 2 Chev engines in tandem. The rear engine is a BBC with two keyways. Does any one have one in the "pile" that they want to part with????? Needs to hold 1000 hp or more. Would rather use a proven coupler than redesign and build another new one. I already built a new one with little success!!!! Thanks, Skip From ddahlgren at snet.net Mon Dec 31 10:20:16 2007 From: ddahlgren at snet.net (ddahlgren at snet.net) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:20:16 -0500 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler In-Reply-To: <20071231170318.0B60A187A49@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000701c84bd1$7cfb6f40$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Probably tryin to put 1000 hp though 2 3/16 keys might be a poor idea not to mention that poor crank snout and #1 main bearing.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Skip Higginbotham Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:03 PM To: land-speed at autox.team.net Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler Happy New Year to everybody!!! Let's make it a safe one. I am looking for a coupler that will connect 2 Chev engines in tandem. The rear engine is a BBC with two keyways. Does any one have one in the "pile" that they want to part with????? Needs to hold 1000 hp or more. Would rather use a proven coupler than redesign and build another new one. I already built a new one with little success!!!! Thanks, Skip No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: 12/29/2007 1:27 PM From adin at frontier.net Mon Dec 31 10:38:01 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:38:01 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler References: <000701c84bd1$7cfb6f40$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> Message-ID: <006e01c84bd3$e4219d50$6401a8c0@ZTxp> Excuse me and my dumb @$$ . . . didn't I see a liner one year w/ 4 BBC motors (Montana machine shop????) in a line? How did they connect those? I remember it just drove off the line like anybody's Impala. Can't find a picture - red car. thanks, David ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Skip Higginbotham'" ; Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler > Probably tryin to put 1000 hp though 2 3/16 keys might be a poor idea > not to mention that poor crank snout and #1 main bearing.. > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Skip Higginbotham > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:03 PM > To: land-speed at autox.team.net > Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler > > > Happy New Year to everybody!!! Let's make it a safe one. > > I am looking for a coupler that will connect 2 Chev engines in > tandem. The rear engine is a BBC with two keyways. > > Does any one have one in the "pile" that they want to part with????? > Needs to hold 1000 hp or more. Would rather use a proven coupler than > redesign and build another new one. I already built a new one with > little success!!!! > > Thanks, > Skip > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: > 12/29/2007 1:27 PM > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as adin at frontier.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From v4gr at rcn.com Mon Dec 31 10:57:07 2007 From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:57:07 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler References: <000701c84bd1$7cfb6f40$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> <006e01c84bd3$e4219d50$6401a8c0@ZTxp> Message-ID: <002401c84bd6$8faa8220$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Herbert and Steen? Al's twin SBC dragster couples the engines as described. Double keyway male coupler on the rear engine forward engine has a female coupler bolted to the crank flange. I don't know how other people do it. RF ----- Original Message ----- From: "David in Durango" To: ; "'Skip Higginbotham'" ; Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler > Excuse me and my dumb @$$ . . . didn't I see a liner one year w/ 4 BBC > motors (Montana machine shop????) in a line? > How did they connect those? I remember it just drove off the line like > anybody's Impala. > > Can't find a picture - red car. > > thanks, > > David From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Dec 31 10:56:42 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:56:42 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler References: <000701c84bd1$7cfb6f40$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> <006e01c84bd3$e4219d50$6401a8c0@ZTxp> Message-ID: <005b01c84bd6$80dcd5e0$6401a8c0@Glens> That would be the Chet Herbert-Steen streamliner Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "David in Durango" To: ; "'Skip Higginbotham'" ; Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler > Excuse me and my dumb @$$ . . . didn't I see a liner one year w/ 4 BBC > motors (Montana machine shop????) in a line? > How did they connect those? I remember it just drove off the line like > anybody's Impala. > > Can't find a picture - red car. > > thanks, > > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "'Skip Higginbotham'" ; > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler > > >> Probably tryin to put 1000 hp though 2 3/16 keys might be a poor idea >> not to mention that poor crank snout and #1 main bearing.. >> Dave >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >> Of Skip Higginbotham >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:03 PM >> To: land-speed at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler >> >> >> Happy New Year to everybody!!! Let's make it a safe one. >> >> I am looking for a coupler that will connect 2 Chev engines in >> tandem. The rear engine is a BBC with two keyways. >> >> Does any one have one in the "pile" that they want to part with????? >> Needs to hold 1000 hp or more. Would rather use a proven coupler than >> redesign and build another new one. I already built a new one with >> little success!!!! >> >> Thanks, >> Skip >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: >> 12/29/2007 1:27 PM >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Land-speed mailing list >> >> You are subscribed as adin at frontier.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Land-speed mailing list > > You are subscribed as speedtimer at beyondbb.com > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From adin at frontier.net Mon Dec 31 11:05:21 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:05:21 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler References: <000701c84bd1$7cfb6f40$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> <006e01c84bd3$e4219d50$6401a8c0@ZTxp> <005b01c84bd6$80dcd5e0$6401a8c0@Glens> Message-ID: <007c01c84bd7$b5f6c780$6401a8c0@ZTxp> Yes, thanks guys! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Barrett" To: "David in Durango" ; ; "'Skip Higginbotham'" ; Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler > That would be the Chet Herbert-Steen streamliner > Glen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David in Durango" > To: ; "'Skip Higginbotham'" ; > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler > > >> Excuse me and my dumb @$$ . . . didn't I see a liner one year w/ 4 BBC >> motors (Montana machine shop????) in a line? >> How did they connect those? I remember it just drove off the line like >> anybody's Impala. >> >> Can't find a picture - red car. >> >> thanks, >> >> David >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "'Skip Higginbotham'" ; >> >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler >> >> >>> Probably tryin to put 1000 hp though 2 3/16 keys might be a poor idea >>> not to mention that poor crank snout and #1 main bearing.. >>> Dave >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net >>> [mailto:land-speed-bounces+ddahlgren=snet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >>> Of Skip Higginbotham >>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:03 PM >>> To: land-speed at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler >>> >>> >>> Happy New Year to everybody!!! Let's make it a safe one. >>> >>> I am looking for a coupler that will connect 2 Chev engines in >>> tandem. The rear engine is a BBC with two keyways. >>> >>> Does any one have one in the "pile" that they want to part with????? >>> Needs to hold 1000 hp or more. Would rather use a proven coupler than >>> redesign and build another new one. I already built a new one with >>> little success!!!! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Skip >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: >>> 12/29/2007 1:27 PM >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Land-speed mailing list >>> >>> You are subscribed as adin at frontier.net >>> >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Land-speed mailing list >> >> You are subscribed as speedtimer at beyondbb.com >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/land-speed From adin at frontier.net Mon Dec 31 11:15:04 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:15:04 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler References: <000701c84bd1$7cfb6f40$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> <006e01c84bd3$e4219d50$6401a8c0@ZTxp> <002401c84bd6$8faa8220$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <008101c84bd9$1100ca30$6401a8c0@ZTxp> Now I'm very curious . . . Anyone know how Herbert Steen did it? Any Herbert Steen folks on the list? Seems IF everything was perfectly aligned it might work. (Only inputting twisting effort) Are "micro" power impulses "smooth"????? Seems a couple of keys would be questionable - how about a spline (slip yoke) arrangement? Anyone know any historical trivia relating to this??? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Fox" To: "David in Durango" ; ; "'Skip Higginbotham'" ; Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler > Herbert and Steen? Al's twin SBC dragster couples the engines as > described. Double keyway male coupler on the rear engine forward engine > has a female coupler bolted to the crank flange. I don't know how other > people do it. RF > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David in Durango" > To: ; "'Skip Higginbotham'" ; > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler > > >> Excuse me and my dumb @$$ . . . didn't I see a liner one year w/ 4 BBC >> motors (Montana machine shop????) in a line? >> How did they connect those? I remember it just drove off the line like >> anybody's Impala. >> >> Can't find a picture - red car. >> >> thanks, >> >> David From v4gr at rcn.com Mon Dec 31 11:20:37 2007 From: v4gr at rcn.com (Rich Fox) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:20:37 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler References: <000701c84bd1$7cfb6f40$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> <006e01c84bd3$e4219d50$6401a8c0@ZTxp> <002401c84bd6$8faa8220$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <008101c84bd9$1100ca30$6401a8c0@ZTxp> Message-ID: <001b01c84bd9$d850a790$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> I don't know but I think the front two engines drove the front axle, the rear two the rear axle. Seems to me that I saw a shaft running alongside the two Engines in the Burkland's 'liner that were geared to each engine and the drive front and rear. maybe not. RF ----- Original Message ----- From: "David in Durango" To: "Rich Fox" ; ; "'Skip Higginbotham'" ; Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler > Now I'm very curious . . . > > Anyone know how Herbert Steen did it? Any Herbert Steen folks on the > list? > > Seems IF everything was perfectly aligned it might work. (Only inputting > twisting effort) > > Are "micro" power impulses "smooth"????? Seems a couple of keys would be > questionable - how about a spline (slip yoke) arrangement? > > Anyone know any historical trivia relating to this??? > > David From wester6935 at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 11:25:56 2007 From: wester6935 at comcast.net (Wester Potter) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:25:56 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler In-Reply-To: <008101c84bd9$1100ca30$6401a8c0@ZTxp> References: <000701c84bd1$7cfb6f40$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> <006e01c84bd3$e4219d50$6401a8c0@ZTxp> <002401c84bd6$8faa8220$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <008101c84bd9$1100ca30$6401a8c0@ZTxp> Message-ID: <3C67A400-C4F6-4839-B298-43E09A9B66A5@comcast.net> You could ask the driver: Clayton Steen ssmshop1002 at qwest.net On Dec 31, 2007, at 11:15 AM, David in Durango wrote: > Now I'm very curious . . . > > Anyone know how Herbert Steen did it? Any Herbert Steen folks on > the list? > > Seems IF everything was perfectly aligned it might work. (Only > inputting twisting effort) > > Are "micro" power impulses "smooth"????? Seems a couple of keys > would be questionable - how about a spline (slip yoke) arrangement? > > Anyone know any historical trivia relating to this??? > > David From adin at frontier.net Mon Dec 31 11:41:36 2007 From: adin at frontier.net (David in Durango) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:41:36 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler References: <000701c84bd1$7cfb6f40$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> <006e01c84bd3$e4219d50$6401a8c0@ZTxp> <002401c84bd6$8faa8220$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <008101c84bd9$1100ca30$6401a8c0@ZTxp> <001b01c84bd9$d850a790$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <001401c84bdc$c607afe0$6401a8c0@ZTxp> Thanks to all for indulging my curiosity. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Fox" To: "David in Durango" ; ; "'Skip Higginbotham'" ; Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler >I don't know but I think the front two engines drove the front axle, the >rear two the rear axle. Seems to me that I saw a shaft running alongside >the two Engines in the Burkland's 'liner that were geared to each engine >and the drive front and rear. maybe not. RF > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David in Durango" > To: "Rich Fox" ; ; "'Skip Higginbotham'" > ; > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler > > >> Now I'm very curious . . . >> >> Anyone know how Herbert Steen did it? Any Herbert Steen folks on the >> list? >> >> Seems IF everything was perfectly aligned it might work. (Only inputting >> twisting effort) >> >> Are "micro" power impulses "smooth"????? Seems a couple of keys would be >> questionable - how about a spline (slip yoke) arrangement? >> >> Anyone know any historical trivia relating to this??? >> >> David From saltrat at pahrump.com Mon Dec 31 11:55:48 2007 From: saltrat at pahrump.com (Skip Higginbotham) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:55:48 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler In-Reply-To: <001401c84bdc$c607afe0$6401a8c0@ZTxp> References: <000701c84bd1$7cfb6f40$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> <006e01c84bd3$e4219d50$6401a8c0@ZTxp> <002401c84bd6$8faa8220$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <008101c84bd9$1100ca30$6401a8c0@ZTxp> <001b01c84bd9$d850a790$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <001401c84bdc$c607afe0$6401a8c0@ZTxp> Message-ID: <20071231185602.08437187A11@autox.team.net> Thanks David and all others who answered......but does anyone have a coupler that they would be willing to sell/loan/give/trade to me?.....please. Skip At 10:41 AM 12/31/2007, you wrote: >Thanks to all for indulging my curiosity. > > >David From dlodom at charter.net Mon Dec 31 12:06:24 2007 From: dlodom at charter.net (DougOdom) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:06:24 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler In-Reply-To: <20071231185602.08437187A11@autox.team.net> References: <000701c84bd1$7cfb6f40$8701a8c0@SataliteM10405> <006e01c84bd3$e4219d50$6401a8c0@ZTxp> <002401c84bd6$8faa8220$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <008101c84bd9$1100ca30$6401a8c0@ZTxp> <001b01c84bd9$d850a790$6401a8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> <001401c84bdc$c607afe0$6401a8c0@ZTxp> <20071231185602.08437187A11@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <47793DB0.4080003@charter.net> Skip Higginbotham wrote: >Thanks David and all others who answered......but does anyone have a >coupler that they would be willing to sell/loan/give/trade to me?.....please. >Skip > > > >Skip, Why not call Rick White at Autopower. I remember looking at Nolan's set up when we pitted next to them at Bonneville. I think it is just what you want. Doug Odom in big ditch where what happens in the shop stays in the shop. From bernien2 at swbell.net Mon Dec 31 17:08:48 2007 From: bernien2 at swbell.net (bernie brown) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:08:48 -0600 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler References: <20071231170318.0B60A187A49@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <005301c84c0a$7bf09f10$4101a8c0@CPPresario> Skip, What Steen had was a hub that took a chain, another bolted to the flywheel on the engine ahead. You rolled the engines so that the two sprockets lined up and wrapped a double link chain around and installed the masterlink. the front pair of engines were coupled to a gearbox as were the rears in the center of the car. Clutch on front and rear ends of the 4X stack. Roy built all of it including the diffs at each end. He prob has some spares, or could build you a couple(pun). Bernie From 23.weldon at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 17:47:39 2007 From: 23.weldon at comcast.net (Ed Weldon) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:47:39 -0800 Subject: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler References: <20071231170318.0B60A187A49@autox.team.net> <005301c84c0a$7bf09f10$4101a8c0@CPPresario> Message-ID: <000d01c84c0f$ee934b30$6401a8c0@S> Skip -- See my previous email. Baldor-Dodge makes these; pretty old product. You still may want to follow up with Steen on how loose he made them to accomodate the misalignment of the two shafts that you get in an automotive chassis. http://www.dodge-pt.com/products/pt_components/couplings/chain_coupling.html Neat part is that you can use intechangeable Dodge taperlock hubs that make it easier to adapt the main coupling to the shafts on each side. The inner bushing and the way it connects to the main coupling parts shows in the pic on that link. Ed Weldon ----- Original Message ----- From: "bernie brown" To: ; "Skip Higginbotham" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Engine Coupler > Skip, What Steen had was a hub that took a chain, another bolted to the > flywheel on the engine ahead. You rolled the engines so that the two > sprockets lined up and wrapped a double link chain around and installed the > masterlink. the front pair of engines were coupled to a gearbox as were the > rears in the center of the car. Clutch on front and rear ends of the 4X > stack. Roy built all of it including the diffs at each end. He prob has some > spares, or could build you a couple(pun). Bernie From speedtimer at beyondbb.com Mon Dec 31 18:01:31 2007 From: speedtimer at beyondbb.com (Glen Barrett) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:01:31 -0700 Subject: [Land-speed] 2008 Message-ID: <002c01c84c11$d946ccf0$6401a8c0@Glens> Everyone have a great time tonight if you are going out. Be safe and a Happy New Year tomorrow. It won't be long and we will be back at the racing venue we all love. Glen From BWANA343 at aol.com Mon Dec 31 19:19:29 2007 From: BWANA343 at aol.com (BWANA343 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:19:29 EST Subject: [Land-speed] 2008 Message-ID: In a message dated 12/31/2007 8:03:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, speedtimer at beyondbb.com writes: Everyone have a great time tonight if you are going out. Be safe and a Happy New Year tomorrow. It won't be long and we will be back at the racing venue we all love. Glen Thank you for the thought, although we've finally maneuvered ourselves into actually staying home this year. Getting home after virtual alcohol obliteration isn't nearly the challenge it was 40 years ago, so Angie and I are safe and sound here in front of the fireplace and the big screen for the festivities, at 1205am or so, we be bedded, not on the road in suburban demo derby NY area. There is smartness in age, he says. Be Safe all out there, thanks again Glen. 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