<div dir="ltr">Yes, the correct way to do this is to tap the knock on until the wheel is set on the hub cone, then tighten on the ground.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 6:50 PM Fred Wescoe via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Listers,<div><br></div><div>Call me crazy but I have always tightened the knockoffs with the wheels off the ground, and, I use a 4 lb dead blow hammer. This hammer (plastic coated) does not do damage to the knock off or the hammer. It is nice to have unscared knock offs and hammer.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 12:40 PM Bob Spidell via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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4-lb lead sacrificial hammers don't damage the knock-on/offs at all.
Once, when I didn't have one, I used a wood block and a small
sledgehammer, and flattened an ear a bit. <br>
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<div>On 4/15/2025 6:34 AM,
<a href="mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca" target="_blank">m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Call
me silly, but I rather like the slightly flattened side on a
knock-off that has been tightened with the factory-supplied
brass hammer. It adds to the patina and, in my opinion, is
part of the car’s journey.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I
too tighten my wheels when off the ground and have never had
one come loose.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cheers,
Mirek<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Healeys <a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank"><healeys-bounces@autox.team.net></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Robert Markovich via Healeys<br>
<b>Sent:</b> April 15, 2025 9:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com" target="_blank">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>; Michael Salter
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<b>Cc:</b> Alan Wasserman
<a href="mailto:alanwassermannc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><alanwassermannc@gmail.com></a>; Healeys
<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank"><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I've
always tightened the knockoffs with the vehicle raised,
then, after lowering it, given it a final few whacks
with the wheels on the ground. Never had one loosen yet!
Will also be looking into a neat new long-handled alloy
knockoff-tightening/loosening tool offered by AH Spares
where the alloy business end is shaped to slip over the
knockoff. I imagine the long handle will provide the
needed leverage entirely missing from those flimsy
two-handled wooden tools, which I've found worthless.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Tuesday, April 15, 2025, 08:09:28 AM EDT, Michael
Salter <<a href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Sadly
AI doesn't give credit to the ingenuity of Rudge
Whitworth who patented the self tightening
splined wheel hub in 1921.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On
Tue., Apr. 15, 2025, 4:12 a.m. sbyers---
via Healeys, <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(38,40,42)">The
knockoffs are designed to tighten
while driving. But experience has
taught me that they can loosen if not
seated to begin with, and they might
not be seated if tightened with the
weight on the hub. My theory is that
weight on the wheel makes the knockoff
off-center when tightened. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Here
is the AI-generated response to the
question: “Should knockoffs be
tightened with the weight on, or off,
the wheel?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(38,40,42)">“Knock-off
hubs should be tightened with the
weight off the vehicle</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">.
This ensures proper torque and
prevents the wheel from being unevenly
seated. While on the ground, the wheel
is subjected to weight distribution,
and the knock-off might not seat as
snugly when tightened under load.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(38,40,42)"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(38,40,42)">Steve Byers</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(38,40,42)">HBJ8L/36666</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(38,40,42)">BJ8 Registry</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(38,40,42)">AHCA Delegate at
Large</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(38,40,42)"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>JSARCH via
Healeys<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 14,
2025 6:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Alan Wasserman' <<a href="mailto:alanwassermannc@gmail.com" target="_blank">alanwassermannc@gmail.com</a>>;
'Healeys' <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]
Healeys Tires/wheels lose</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(38,40,42)"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Interesting.
The knock-off on my BT7 tighten while
the car is driving. Below is an A.I.
generated answer to the question “do
knock-offs tighten while driving”:</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Yes,
knock-offs are designed to be
self-tightening while driving, meaning
they can become tighter as the vehicle
moves forward. However, if they are
not installed correctly or if the
vehicle is towed in reverse, they can
loosen instead.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">John,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">’62
BT&</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan
Wasserman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 14,
2025 2:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alan Wasserman <<a href="mailto:AlanWassermanNC@gmail.com" target="_blank">AlanWassermanNC@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]
Healeys Tires/wheels lose</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(38,40,42)">Just a warning
to all. As you may imagine, sometimes
our wheels may ? loosen. Had my BJ8
on the lift today, checking brakes.
Jiggled the wheels, just because.
Rear left had “significant" lateral
movement. Took the old rubber mallet
and had to tighten almost 1/4 turn. <i>Very
scary</i>. Please check your wheels
whenever your car is on a lift. Happy
rides.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Apr 14,
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<a href="mailto:healeys-request@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys-request@autox.team.net</a>
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