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Obviously the Healey never had the most up-to-date safety features, and its exterior and dash lighting needed LED upgrades to perform even adequately. The list of things the cars were not is endless I compared to modern cars…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Aptos><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Aptos><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>BUT: driving a Healey usually put a smile on my face, and it appeared to put smiles on a lot of other people’s faces when out and about. As you all know, you cannot drive one of these cars without getting smiles, waves, thumbs-up, casual nods, etc – all acknowledging the wonderful looks the Healeys have! If you park one, you will undoubtedly find your self in a conversation with someone who either had one and sold it, wished he had bought one way back when, wished he could buy one now, had an uncle who had one, or a cousin, or a friend’s dad, or, or, or… - you know how it goes! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Aptos><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Aptos><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>As much fun as it has been to drive my Healeys all over the US and Canada, as well as Norway, Denmark and Sweden – I can say that maintaining the cars has been the sore spot for me, and I’m now at an age and physical condition where it’s somewhere between really-not-fun, really-not-practical and really-not-possible anymore. As such, this conversation hits home for me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Aptos><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Aptos><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>SO – what do I think about the future of Healey ownership? I suspect there will always be a small cadre of serious collectors who want and value cars that are as original as possible (whether “concours” level, or just plain nice cars!). The pool of cars that survive in such condition is shrinking gradually, but then so is the pool of such people! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Aptos><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Aptos><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I also suspect that there is a substantial and growing group who would love the opportunity to have a car with the classic styling of an Austin-Healey, but the reliability and drivability of a modern car. “Modern” in this context may well be a very plastic term – meaning different things to different generations. For today’s purposes I ask you all whether the future might be electric? An Austin-Healey that has good acceleration and brakes, good handling, no fluid leaks (!!) and far fewer to no 60 year-old parts to go bad – all combined with the classic lines of the Healey.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Aptos><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Aptos><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>What do you say?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Aptos><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-----------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Al Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Aptos><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-outline-level:1'><b><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>James Frey via Healeys<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, February 16, 2025 3:10 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Michael Salter <<a href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Healey List <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Healeys] Hello<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>The costs you cite below are inexorably linked to the “What to Do with our Healeys” question that was also raised. Over the last several years, I have restored/built 3 cars with most of the work done by a local shop (one of which was a Bugeye). I needed to have most work performed by my shop. Although my skills are moderate and I enjoy turning wrenches, my time available to do so has lessened in recent years. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Given the above circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times market value on the purchase price, work performed, parts, etc. I consider myself lucky to have a trusted local shop, but depending on where you live (even assuming you are willing to spend the money), it can be extraordinarily difficult to get the cars serviced, let alone have significant restoration work done. I also don’t see the value of most Healeys going up much, and it might go down given the (arguably) shrinking market/demographics for these cars. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>So given my recent experience, as much as I might love to own a BJ8 and would consider myself “a trusted steward”, paying significant dollars (even for a beautifully restored car) in a declining market might not be the best idea. As for a car that “needs work”, I’m starting to feel like I’ve been there and done that a little too often. Also, there are fun (more modern) cars out there for similar dollars that don’t present the same financial risk and difficulties in selling. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Lastly, I’m 61 (so not “young”) and I think those that are younger than me are an even tougher sell. I have 2 adult sons that have a moderate interest in cars and the “old cars” they might have an interest in are probably from 2000-2010. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>The market is undeniably softer than previously, but I actually think current values are a sellers market, even in the US. With the potential for declining demand, it’s hard for me to see an improving Healey market over the next 10+ years. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Jim</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16 PM, Michael Salter <<a href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Very good question. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>All the work that you describe requires an individual with significant skill(s). These tasks are not something that your "run of the mill" parts changer can undertake. In our part of the world (Canada) those "parts changers", without breaking a sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which equates to $50/hr. $50/hr paid to the tradesman will typically be charged out at an hourly rate of at least $100.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In my book a full restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually a lot more to produce concours standards.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>So labour ONLY $120K.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Parts and materials usually at least 50% of labour. $60K.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Incidentals at least another $20K<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>It's getting up there </span></font><font face="Segoe UI Emoji"><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji"'>😳😳</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>M<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Sun., Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys, <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>The list has been very quiet for a long time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>How about a discussion about the cost of restoring a BN1? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>The metal work is About 90% done. The remaining work includes final fitting all body panels, preparing for paint & final painting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior, fitting the windscreen, convertible top, side curtains including providing all material where necessary. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all the necessary components.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Gary Hodson<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div></div><div id="m_6446190483034331511ydpaa12e928yahoo_quoted_0398894478"><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike Sinclair via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div id="m_6446190483034331511ydpaa12e928yiv3642250353"><div><p><font size=2 color="#26282a" face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Is it me, or is the list quiet? I haven't seen anything for quite a while?</span></font><font size=2 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p><font size=2 color="#26282a" face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Mik</span></font><font size=2 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 color="#26282a" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>Support Team.Net <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys</a><br><br><a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">Healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson@aol.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/warthodson@aol.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Support Team.Net <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys</a><br><br><a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">Healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Support Team.Net <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys">http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys">http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys</a><br><br><a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net">Healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rcw414@icloud.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/rcw414@icloud.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>