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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Hey Simon, I am getting mixed messages on which pad to use. It is problem when the suppliers use their own part numbers and it is hard to tell what the equivalent EBC number is. Ahead4Healeys and my supplier sell the same parts and have the same part numbers. The confusion is that:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-CA>The EBC part number DP2141 that you recommend is about $150 from various suppliers.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>>> Again, per my previous, seems that you can get them cheaper direct from AH4H<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-CA>My Healey supplier sells several EBC pads, using their own part numbers (same as Ahead4 Healeys, i.e. I can’t determine the EBC part number), one which is $157 and another that is $238.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>>> They’re AH4H’s agents? They would use their catalogue numbers. However, if they can’t make it clear to you which one is DP2141, they are either taking you for a mug or they’re just lazy and/or incompetent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=3 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-CA>Logic tells me that based on price the $157 pads are the same as the $150 EBC pad DP2141<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>>> Agreed but my comments above remain valid.<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=4 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span lang=EN-CA>My supplier is telling me the $157 pads are for a competition caliper and that I need the $238 pads.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>>> Get a better supplier. Ring AH4H. Ask for Keith Bates, one of the directors. Nice chap…knows the business backwards….practical/hands-on ie not just some wretched money cruncher.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>There is some thing wrong here but before I shell out and get the wrong ones I want to understand it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>>> Ring AH4H!! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>I note that on the UK EBC site that you sent to me, the DP2141 pad is supplied with a kit that has an upgraded brake disc. Are you running your DP2141 with a standard Healey brake disk? That site also list another pad, DP701 for the Healey.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>>> No…that page was just a random page that demonstrated that the pads were still on the market and that the part number remains extant. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>>> No, I’m not running those pads anymore because I’ve got bigger discs now.16s as opposed to the original ‘s 14s. (Still with EBC, just a different part number). And, should you ask,….yes the bigger discs make a difference but is it worth it? Depends on what you do with the car. Personally, I’m forever messing around and, in this instance, I persuaded myself that a projected trip around the highest peaks in the Alps necessitated bigger brakes. As good an excuse as any! See attached which is strictly 100% irrelevant but why not?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Here is the actual note from my supplier:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Hi Mirek,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>The BR4277 are for the new competition calipers only. [these are $158 and I think are the EBC DP2141, but could be DP701]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>>> They should know and, if they don’t know, they should contact AH4H and ask!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>The BR4273 are for the standard road cars. [this is some other EBC pad – I don’t know which one]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>>> Useless!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>So the whole thing is confusing me – I just want the “greenstuff” EBC pad that will fit a standard BT& with standard calipers and disks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Ring AH4H or email them FAO Keith Bates.:-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a href="mailto:sales@ah4.co.uk">sales@ah4.co.uk</a> &/or <a href="mailto:info@ah4.co.uk">info@ah4.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'> Simon Lachlan <<a href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 12:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca">m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Or go direct to AhHealeys. Nice strong $ these days…….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Yes, my link was a UK site.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'> <a href="mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca">m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a> <<a href="mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca">m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 3:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Simon Lachlan' <<a href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Thanks Simon,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>The EBC site that link takes me to is different to the North American site – weird. Our local Healey specialist is the NA rep for Ahead4Healeys and carries the same pad, but I think gets them from Ahead4 and the price is ridiculous. I can source them cheaper from other suppliers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Thanks for the great info, I am thinking I will go the EBC route.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Cheers, Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'> Simon Lachlan <<a href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 9:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca">m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a>; 'Healeys' <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Thanks everyone, especially Simon for the detailed response. Someone else has suggested my pads may be too hard and I should try changing them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Simon, First, I am unfamiliar with “Girling 14” vs, “Girling 16”. I know there was a change in the brakes somewhere in the later cars, so I am assuming a stock BT7 (late 1959) has Girling 14s? Can someone confirm that?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>>> Yes, a stock BT7 has 14s. Just that I swapped to 16s which are bigger.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Also, I went on the EBC site and they don’t have a listing for Austin Healey, but do list the DP2141. Simon if you are positive about the product number I will go with that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>>> Yes, it’s still DP2141. Here’s a page:-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.ebcbrakeshop.co.uk/info-brake-parts?make=AUSTIN+HEALEY&year=1961&model=3000&engineSelect=2.9&engine=2.9&bhp=">EBC Brakes | EBC Brake Pads | EBC Brake Discs | EBC Brake Shop</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>No, you plainly don’t want the whole kit but it demonstrates that the pads are still out there and still listed as DP2141.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>See Ahead4Healeys:-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.ahead4healeys.co.uk/KEVLAR-BRAKE-PADS---ROAD-FAST-ROAD-id1174.aspx">KEVLAR BRAKE PADS - ROAD/FAST ROAD (ahead4healeys.co.uk)</a> They use their catalogue number but you could email them…? Seems cheaper than $150:00.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Simon<span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>I am still weighing options before shelling out $150 for pads, but the EBC option is looking best right now. I also see the normal suppliers offering anti-squeal kits, and may try those first after having a chat with them. Our local supplier, Healey Autofarm, also restore and drive Healeys, so they may have some thoughts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>Cheers, Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA'> Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net">healeys-bounces@autox.teamnet</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Lachlan via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 4:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] FW: Squealy Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I have a BT7 also. (MkII). I had squeaky brakes and found my anti-shim pads to be pretty useless. Worse, in a way, sometimes the brakes were quiet and sometimes they really howled!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Anyhow…..I asked around and did some research which led me to EBC pads. I think there are two or three materials used…..depending on what you use the car for. “Greenstuff” is the regular road set and the ones that I use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>According to my files(!), the code was DP2141 ie for Girling 14s. (I’ve switched to 16s which take DP2291.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>And, with particular regard to anti-shim pads, EBC supply a rubber backing material which you cut to size yourself. Back to the files:- They describe the material as </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>a " High performance 200MP pressure sensitive <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>acrylic adhesive on 58 lb polycoated kraft paper liner. High temperature formulation, solvent resistance, shear adhesion and HSE, low LSE. Use for general industrial joining. 5.0 mil thick with 4.0 mil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>liner.") The instructions say:- "Cut with scissors to shape required and apply these shims to the reverse side (painted side) of the brake pads to prevent brake noise. The fibre must cover all areas contacted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>by the hydraulic pistons or the calliper supports".<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I see that I’ve been using EBC pads since some years before April 2012. They work for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>I’ve attached their installation instructions which are pretty generic…nothing much unique to their pads.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'> Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net">healeys-bounces@autox.teamnet</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>m.g.sharp--- via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 1:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> Healey List <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Squealy Brakes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Hi all, I have had intermittent squealy brakes on my BT7 the last year or so. I got it out of hibernation a week ago and the squealing is worse, it seems. I don’t mind heads turning when I pull up at a light, but not because it sounds like I just ran over a cat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I put new pads in a few years back and installed the anti-squeal shims, but they did not work. Today I pulled out the pads, tossed the shims and lightly rubbed the pads on a sheet of #120 emery on a plate of glass, just to take the sheen of the friction side and ensure the backs were flat. I took a file and gently broke the leading and trailing edges of the friction material, as the edges were quite sharp and though one could be catching. I then cleaned the pads with brake part cleaner. I also lightly used emery on the disks to remove any glaze. I had gone to my local auto parts supplier to see if they had any anti-squeal shims but they don’t sell them separately from the pads. However, they highly recommended a Permatex product with the promising name “Disc Brake Quiet” [sic]. This I applied per the instructions, spraying it on the back of the pads. I blew the dust out of the calipers and, as best I could, checked the pistons for irregularities where they bear on the pads. The calipers were re-built about 5 years ago with stainless pistons and they looked as new. Retaining pins were cleaned and very lightly greased. I re-assembled everything and went out for a test drive.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>The results were staggering in that there was no difference whatsoever.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>So folks – any good ideas out there? I am wondering if should switch out the pads, but mine are barely worn and I am not sure I have record of what I put in, so may end up with the same make. Other than that, I am flummoxed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>All suggestions welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>