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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Good question on just what was the sequence of events that led to the ignition switches being left ‘on’. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>One clue might be in something I neglected to mention in my prior post: they also drained the fuel tanks. And by drained, I mean every drop of fuel! At least one car leaked out of the fuel tank drain on refueling, because the drain plug had not been secured after the draining.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If you think it through, I bet they didn’t drive them into the container and then do the de-fueling in the confines of the container. Rather, drain the fuel or pump it out before pushing the car in and securing it. This sequence would provide more opportunity for the key to be left on. In the end, we do know how the cars arrived, but not how they got that way. Ah, the joys of travel!!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>----------------<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>All the best,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Al Fuller<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 30, 2023 7:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> alfuller194@gmail.com; healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] fuel pump<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>re: "<span style='color:#3333FF'>He said </span><i><span style='color:blue'>"When the cars arrived in Norway in early June, several hadignition switches left in the 'on' position and the battery master switch</span></i><span style='color:blue'><br><i>also left on<span class=gmaildefault>"</span></i><span class=gmaildefault> which would explain why the batteries were run down."</span><br><br><span class=gmaildefault>Dang. Missed that (still on my first cup of coffee). But, how do they shut their engines down if they leave the ignition on? That's one screw-up I've never managed in 55 years of driving (sometimes, it's hard to shut them down even with the ignition turned off). They would have had to leave their keys in the ignition; is that required for shipping?</span><br><br><span class=gmaildefault>re: "Also, if any of the cars had points ignitions and the contacts were closed would not that contribute to current drain, if not a burned set of points?"</span><br><br><span class=gmaildefault>The points should be able to handle the load, limited by coil impedance; it's when opening the points suffer erosion. The coil would likely be damaged, though, since without the engine running the primary coil circuit is almost a dead short (usually 1-3 ohms impedance).</span><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 7/30/2023 7:37 AM, Michael Oritt wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'>Bob--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'>He said </span><i><span style='color:blue'>"When the cars arrived in Norway in early June, several had</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='color:blue'>ignition switches left in the 'on' position and the battery master switch</span></i><span style='color:blue'><br><i>also left on<span class=gmaildefault>"</span></i><span class=gmaildefault> which would explain why the batteries were run down. </span></span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><span style='color:blue'>Also, if any of the cars had points ignitions and the contacts were closed would not that contribute to current drain, if not a burned set of points?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 10:17 AM Bob Spidell <<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net">bspidell@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>That's kinda odd; did they leave GPSs or some other electronics on? <br>Nothing on a stock Healey should be drawing current with the key off. <br>I've left the cutoff 'on' for months without draining a battery.<br><br>'Modern' cars are a different story; they'll run a battery down in a few <br>weeks, with anti-theft, remote unlock, etc. drawing current <br>continuously. Also, I think battery quality has gone downhill overall <br>since most are now produced in Mexico.<br><br><br>On 7/29/2023 9:44 PM, <a href="mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com" target="_blank">alfuller194@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>> Humm - low battery causing the pump to effectively 'stall' is something to<br>> think about...<br>><br>> On a related note, I have my fingers crossed for my own battery! The car is<br>> due to be shipped back from Norway any day now, returning from the European<br>> Healey Meet. When the cars arrived in Norway in early June, several had<br>> ignition switches left in the 'on' position and the battery master switch<br>> also left on. The result was several of the cars needed new batteries before<br>> going anywhere. This was despite most everyone having printed 'starting and<br>> storing instructions' in the car calling for the battery master switch to be<br>> used. Like I said - fingers crossed...<br>><br>> As to the Healey Meet - great roads! One of my favorites is Trollstigen<br>> ['Troll's Ladder']. For a sample, see:<br>> <a href="https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/" target="_blank">https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/</a><br>><br>> ----------------<br>> All the best,<br>><br>> Al Fuller<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Bob Spidell<br>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 7:00 PM<br>> To: <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump<br>><br>> Conceivably--note: 'conceivably'--less than 12V at the pump would leave the<br>> electromagnet charged but unable to fully retract the diaphragm and open the<br>> points (or electronic circuit) to stop current flow. You'd still have<br>> current flowing through the electromagnet, which could overheat and, well,<br>> fry.<br>><br>><br>> On 7/28/2023 2:37 PM, <a href="mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com" target="_blank">alfuller194@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>>> Jim - I don't recall those messages, so maybe someone with more<br>>> knowledge than me can respond.<br>>><br>>> That said, I don't see how a low or dead battery would damage a fuel<br>>> pump. I would think the pump would see just the circuit as unpowered<br>>> and not work, but not suffer for the experience...<br>>><br>>> ----------------<br>>> All the best,<br>>><br>>> Al Fuller<br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of<br>>> healeymanjim<br>>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 10:47 AM<br>>> To: <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>>> Subject: [Healeys] fuel pump<br>>><br>>> i have seen messages on the list where folks have stated that low<br>>> battery can cause problems with solid state fuel pump. the battery i<br>>> replaced was so weak it would not turn the motor over even with plugs<br>>> removed. any info on this anyplace on the internet?<br>>><br>><br>><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Support Team.Net <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive/healeys</a><br><br><a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">Healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>