<html><body>Stevedores! Back in the day the Austin-Healey 100 body parts were "upgraded" to use a steel bonnet and boot lid in place of the original aluminum style. This modification was directed at the behest of Donald Healey, himself, who upon bringing his cars to the US experienced major damage to them from stevedores walking over the cars to get from one end of the hold to the other. Cars are stuffed together with as little as 3" between them.<div><br></div><div>I wrote an article in the J/F 2023 edition of the Austin Healey Magazine discussing the issue and just how badly these cars were treated by the shipping companies trusted with their safe delivery. Many cars were damaged and required extensive body repairs at the receiving port dealer. Some cars were so sadly treated that they had to be scrapped.</div><div><br></div><div>As Al notes-"the joys of travel" can be directly related to those individuals who are paid handsomely to deliver cars across the seas in one piece, not necessarily in a good piece. Hank<br><br><div class="reply-new-signature"></div><p>-----------------------------------------</p>From: alfuller194@gmail.com<br>To: "Bob Spidell", "Michael Oritt"<br>Cc: healeys@autox.team.net<br>Sent: Sunday July 30 2023 2:33:19PM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good question on just what was the sequence of
events that led to the ignition switches being left ‘on’. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One clue might be in something I neglected to
mention in my prior post: they also drained the fuel tanks. And by
drained, I mean every drop of fuel! At least one car leaked out of
the fuel tank drain on refueling, because the drain plug had not
been secured after the draining.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you think it through, I bet they didn’t
drive them into the container and then do the de-fueling in the
confines of the container. Rather, drain the fuel or pump it out
before pushing the car in and securing it. This sequence would
provide more opportunity for the key to be left on. In the end, we
do know how the cars arrived, but not how they got that way.
Ah, the joys of travel!!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All the best,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Al Fuller</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Bob Spidell
<bspidell@comcast.net><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 30, 2023 7:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> alfuller194@gmail.com; healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] fuel pump</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;">re: "<span style="color:#3333FF;">He said</span> <i><span style="color:#0000FF;">"When
the cars arrived in Norway in early June, several hadignition
switches left in the 'on' position and the battery master
switch</span></i><span style="color:#0000FF;"><br><i>also left on<span class="gmaildefault">"</span></i><span class="gmaildefault"> which would explain why the batteries were run
down."</span><br><br><span class="gmaildefault">Dang. Missed that (still on my first cup
of coffee). But, how do they shut their engines down if they leave
the ignition on? That's one screw-up I've never managed in 55 years
of driving (sometimes, it's hard to shut them down even with the
ignition turned off). They would have had to leave their keys in
the ignition; is that required for shipping?</span><br><br><span class="gmaildefault">re: "Also, if any of the cars had points
ignitions and the contacts were closed would not that contribute to
current drain, if not a burned set of points?"</span><br><br><span class="gmaildefault">The points should be able to handle the
load, limited by coil impedance; it's when opening the points
suffer erosion. The coil would likely be damaged, though, since
without the engine running the primary coil circuit is almost a
dead short (usually 1-3 ohms impedance).</span><br><br></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 7/30/2023 7:37 AM, Michael Oritt wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#3333FF;">Bob--</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#3333FF;">He said</span>
<i><span style="color:#0000FF;">"When the cars arrived in Norway in
early June, several had</span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#0000FF;">ignition switches
left in the 'on' position and the battery master
switch</span></i><span style="color:#0000FF;"><br><i>also left on<span class="gmaildefault">"</span></i><span class="gmaildefault"> which would explain why the batteries were run
down. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="color:#0000FF;">Also, if any of the cars had points ignitions and the
contacts were closed would not that contribute to current drain, if
not a burned set of points?</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 10:17 AM Bob Spidell
<<a>bspidell@comcast.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt;">That's kinda odd;
did they leave GPSs or some other electronics on?<br>
Nothing on a stock Healey should be drawing current with the key
off.<br>
I've left the cutoff 'on' for months without draining a
battery.<br><br>
'Modern' cars are a different story; they'll run a battery down in
a few<br>
weeks, with anti-theft, remote unlock, etc. drawing current<br>
continuously. Also, I think battery quality has gone downhill
overall<br>
since most are now produced in Mexico.<br><br><br>
On 7/29/2023 9:44 PM, <a>alfuller194@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
> Humm - low battery causing the pump to effectively 'stall' is
something to<br>
> think about...<br>
><br>
> On a related note, I have my fingers crossed for my own
battery! The car is<br>
> due to be shipped back from Norway any day now, returning from
the European<br>
> Healey Meet. When the cars arrived in Norway in early June,
several had<br>
> ignition switches left in the 'on' position and the battery
master switch<br>
> also left on. The result was several of the cars needed new
batteries before<br>
> going anywhere. This was despite most everyone having
printed 'starting and<br>
> storing instructions' in the car calling for the battery
master switch to be<br>
> used. Like I said - fingers crossed...<br>
><br>
> As to the Healey Meet - great roads! One of my favorites is
Trollstigen<br>
> ['Troll's Ladder']. For a sample, see:<br>
> <a href="https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/"></a><a href="https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/">https://www.lifeinnorway.net/trollstigen-norway/</a><br>
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> All the best,<br>
><br>
> Al Fuller<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Healeys <<a>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Bob
Spidell<br>
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 7:00 PM<br>
> To: <a>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] fuel pump<br>
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> Conceivably--note: 'conceivably'--less than 12V at the pump
would leave the<br>
> electromagnet charged but unable to fully retract the
diaphragm and open the<br>
> points (or electronic circuit) to stop current flow. You'd
still have<br>
> current flowing through the electromagnet, which could
overheat and, well,<br>
> fry.<br>
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> On 7/28/2023 2:37 PM, <a>alfuller194@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
>> Jim - I don't recall those messages, so maybe someone with
more<br>
>> knowledge than me can respond.<br>
>><br>
>> That said, I don't see how a low or dead battery would
damage a fuel<br>
>> pump. I would think the pump would see just the circuit as
unpowered<br>
>> and not work, but not suffer for the experience...<br>
>><br>
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>> All the best,<br>
>><br>
>> Al Fuller<br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: Healeys <<a>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of<br>
>> healeymanjim<br>
>> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2023 10:47 AM<br>
>> To: <a>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
>> Subject: [Healeys] fuel pump<br>
>><br>
>> i have seen messages on the list where folks have stated
that low<br>
>> battery can cause problems with solid state fuel
pump. the battery i<br>
>> replaced was so weak it would not turn the motor over even
with plugs<br>
>> removed. any info on this anyplace on the
internet?<br>
>><br>
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