<html><body>Hi Simon, Hank here, and that's another tale of woe. Bob makes some good points and mentions the accumulator. You mentioned a "bad batch" of accumulators. Definitely, if the accumulator does not release it will continue to "pump" (hold pressure) hydraulic oil as the "pump" is the little wheel in contact with the mainshaft cam, <b>constantly going up and down</b> creating pressure. At the engineered max about 400-500PSI something has to release, or it continues to pump pressure beyond what is needed to overcome the 8 springs resistance which push the clutch into direct drive.<div><br></div><div>I'm a stickler for using original parts, if nothing is wrong with them. (I'm using the steel piston rings, not O rings) Replacement items always scare me (are they an exact match?). I think you experienced that issue when you replaced the transmission clutch plate.</div><div><br></div><div>I do drill out the tiny hole with a 1MM bit to make room for dirt which could be larger than that tiny hole. It does not hurt the operation but, yes it can drain a little faster (about 1/2 sec.). If that whole passage is clean, proper size ball and spring and rod not bent, it functions as a release valve when lowered (by lever action from arm).</div><div><br></div><div>Then the other drain is as Bob describes, when the accumulator moves away from the drilling in the bore. This drilling also depends on an annular groove (passage in the mainshaft-be sure they are clear) to carry oil. These must also be squeaky clean. That huge spring inside the accumulator controls the release of massive hydraulic pressure. It is important to use a test gauge of about 800PSI when testing the system...just in case you are not releasing pressure.</div><div><br></div><div>The "trouble shooting guide" in the workshop manual only addresses lack of pressure release to dirt, electrics or damaged parts. I'm afraid its yet another trip back to OD Spares. While its out, look carefully at the tail of your mainshaft and insure it has clear passages. A piece of SS wire will check openings. Dirt is the main culprit in ODs followed by wear, if electrics are ok.</div><div><br><div class="reply-new-signature"></div><p>-----------------------------------------</p>From: "Bob Spidell" <bspidell@comcast.net><br>To: healeys@autox.team.net<br>Cc: <br>Sent: Saturday June 18 2022 6:33:36AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] OD still not working!<br><br>
Disclaimer: I'm not an O/D expert, having rebuilt exactly one with
reasonable success, but I can throw guesses around.<br><br>
I think <i>something</i> with the operating valve and its lifting
rod (bent?), but there's couple theoretical causes:<br><br>
- Too much wear on the cone clutch, causing it to stick in the
brake ring, but the guys at ODSpares would surely have noticed and
replaced/relined the clutch, no?<br><br>
- Something wrong with the operating pistons (one or both), not
allowing them to recede in their bores when pressure is relieved
(O-ring or steel rings?)<br><br>
I don't know enough about the intricacies of the internal
passageways, but I do know the accumulator regulates pressure
pretty simply: when the spring is compressed far enough a drain
hole is uncovered (not unlike how engine oil pressure is limited).
If that relief hole was somehow blocked pressure would increase
until something gave (like your gauge).<br><br>
An owner had a similar problem, reported on another forum. Someone
suggested the unidirectional clutch getting stuck, but I can't wrap
my head around that one (I think that would cause issues on
overrun, possibly damaging the O/D).<br><br>
So, the unit works fine on the test rig, but locks up first time
you engage it and stays there? May be a clue in there somewhere
but, so far, I'm coming up empty.<br><br>
BTW, did you use the newer accumulator type, with an 0-ring instead
of steel rings?<br><br><br><br><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/2022 3:17 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>
wrote:<br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This saga started months ago and you may
remember the case and the various suggestions made at the time.
I’ve been away and thus unable to get back to the problem….</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The background was that the thing would go
into OD but not come out. And, after many vicissitudes…removing box
and OD in order to drive it up north 3(!) times, it is still
playing up.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I shall try to give all the details and
background but that will entail my being as verbose as usual.</p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm;" type="1" start="1"><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;">It is in a MKII BT7
centre shift.</li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;">It has, yesterday, new 30
wt non-detergent. Plenty of it. Clean.</li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;">Its electrics pass muster
though I wish I could detect a fault there so that I could fix it….
If the ignition is <i>on</i> and the engine is <i>off</i>, when I
put the stick in 4<sup>th</sup> and engage OD I get a nice click
and the little lever moves. When I move the lever across to
1<sup>st</sup> and 2<sup>nd</sup>, another click and slight
movement on the little lever. When I leave it in 4<sup>th</sup> but
switch the OD <i>off,</i> it stays engaged until I depress the
accelerator a little and then it drops out of OD. To my mind at
least, this indicates that the electrics are working. IS THAT
PRESUMPTION CORRECT? I tried it with a spare, rebuilt, relay but no
dice.</li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;">There is nothing in the
little hole and the ball seats nicely. All new parts in there.</li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;">The lever is free to move
when the ignition is off ie nothing in there is slowing the lever’s
freedom to move as pulled by the solenoid.</li>
</ol><p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have a (new) gauge and it goes up to 500+
psi when in 3<sup>rd</sup> or 4<sup>th</sup> and stays there until
I engage the OD. Pressure drops momentarily then returns to 500+.
All well and good. But it won’t come out….</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My feeling, going somewhat against
received/informed advice, was that “something was stuck inside and
not releasing”. This was borne out when, with the back wheels off
the ground, I was trying to find out what was going wrong……the
gauge was in and I was watching it. Into OD…….the usual click plus
a different sort of noise/clunk and a distinct jerk. The gauge went
off the scale….needle all the way round and jammed on the reverse
side of zero where it remained; gauge destroyed. The gasket between
the solenoid/operating lever casing and the accumulator area
ruptured and oil started to come out. Fairly briskly. So that was a
complete disaster.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I rang up ODSpares, for the 400<sup>th</sup>
time, and Dave said that the accumulator – brand new, fitted by
them - must have jammed. He, very reasonably I thought, said that
if I brought the box and OD up <i>again(!)</i>, he’d fit on a
complete new unit. So, I did and he did. I imagine that he fitted a
casing with all new bits where needed. He runs them on a rig for 8
hours before letting them leave the shop……</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Anyhow, I stuck the box etc back in – I’m
getting quite good at that now – and had high hopes. But, no good.
The needle goes up to 500+ and stays there until I move it in and
out of OD by moving the stick left to right with the ignition on
and the engine off.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Logically, if logic applies to an OD, one
might suppose EITHER that there is a batch of dud accumulators out
there OR that there is some external factor that I’ve missed which
has been lurking undetected all the while?!? BUT, that would not
have made the accumulator jam??</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is it possible that there is something
extraneous that could cause the electrics to play up only when the
engine is running?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Or, do ODs need a few miles on them before
they start working properly? Clutching at straws here!!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">One last thing, Dave agreed that there was
still a pressure issue. He suggested drilling out the little hole
in the so-called “valve – operating” (the rod under the ball
bearing). That was to allow the pressure to bleed off faster. He
sent me a new rod in case that didn’t work. Which it didn’t! The
hole was just a tiny fraction less than 1mm and I drilled it out to
1.5mm. (Apparently, the factory used to drill them out for
competition vehicles…)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Anyhow, I’m stuck. As is the OD!. And I’ve
gone completely beyond any expertise I ever had with these damn
devices. I thought I understood the electrics and I thought I could
diagnose most pressure related issues. But I’m getting nowhere and
it’s been going on for months and months………….</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Any ideas would be very welcome. Exceeding
welcome.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Simon</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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