<html><body>OK-let's stop bickering and talk LUCAS. Attached are two pages from 1959 Lucas "Quality Equipment & Spare Parts Catalog".<div><br></div><div>Note the clear or frosted front sidelight/ flasher lens for the 100 and 100-6/3000. The second page covers stop/taillight lenses. All are different part numbers and colors.</div><div><br></div><div>Later BJ8 plastic lenses are clear: 54572775 and red 54572774.</div><div><br></div><div>As you know, the <b>same parts</b> carried 5 digit, 6, 7 and 8 number designations so that Lucas could cheat the government out of inventory tax. However, they did get caught, and eventually went bankrupt. If you bought the latest boxed 7 digit part, it was identical to the earlier 5 digit part-just a new box. </div><div><br></div><div>As Perry has tested, the red glass lens is red glass, and the clear lens is clear. The early 100 had a clear, but bead blasted, frosted lens. Yes some bulb spray will change the color, but Lucas never did that. Many of the "orange" lenses were actually sun faded or miss-matched die lots. . Just the Longbridge 100-6 had an actual orange lens (Dagmar unit-shown) Hank<br><br><div class="reply-new-signature"></div><p>-----------------------------------------</p>From: "healeyguy--- via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net><br>To: "manifold@telus.net"<br>Cc: "healeys@autox.team.net"<br>Sent: Sunday February 27 2022 11:48:22AM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594 Lens<br><br>
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Just randomly tried the paint stripper test on five of 15 Lucas
L594 red lens I have in the bin. No change, no red residue on
the rag,
<div>It did remove some blue paint overspray that was on the
outside of one lens!
<div>Perry<br><br><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">
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From: Harold Manifold via Healeys
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Michael,</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">All four L594
lens on my car had similar markings. They are all glass, front two
are clear back two painted red.</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Front
Clear</font></div>
<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Inner Ring –
LUCAS
L594
MADE IN ENGLAND</font></div>
<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Outer Ring – ICM
3137 LAX</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Rear
Painted</font></div>
<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Inner Ring –
LUCAS
L594
ENGLAND</font></div>
<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Outer Ring – ICM
3137 LAX</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">The script is
very slightly different. For some history of my car. It was in
storage from the mid 1970’s until I stated to restore it about 4
years ago. Having taken the car completely apart I could tell there
was never damage to the rear of the car.</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">We need someone
who wants to sacrifice a red lens to try paint stripper. Another
theory is the factory was short on red glass lens and had some
clear glass lens painted to cover the shortage.</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">I wouldn’t have
known the lens were painted if the paint wasn’t coming off one of
the lens.</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Harold
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<div style="border:none;padding:0in;" class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2"><b>From:</b> <a>Michael Salter</a><br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 27, 2022 9:25 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> <a>Harold Manifold</a><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> <a>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:sans-serif;">This is very
odd.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Like Mark and Perry I
have never encountered red beehive lenses with paint on
them.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Is the paint on the
inside or the outside?</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I would have thought
that if they were to be painted by Lucas, of which I'm very
doubtful, the paint would have been on the
inside.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Can you confirm that the
painted lenses have the word LUCAS cast on them and
L594?</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">On Sun, Feb 27,
2022 at 11:54 AM Harold Manifold via Healeys <<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Update
on restoring Lucas beehive lens. The original lens on my 1960 BT7
were painted glass and the paint had peeled noticeably on one of
the lens. I used a common paint stripper I had on hand to remove
all of the original red paint. I first tried to recoat with paint
for stained glass from a hobby store. It did not work well and was
a poor colour match. For the second attempt I used VHT Nite-Shades
which is lens paint. Who would have thought! It worked very well.
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">My
total cost is about $30 which may be more than new but I was able
to use original parts.</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Harold</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2"><b>From:</b> <a>i erbs via Healeys</a><br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 5, 2022 7:09 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> <a>Perry Small</a><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> <a>healeys</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594
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<font size="2">I have two red behive lenses and the red is in fact
peeling off.</font></div>
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Erbs<br clear="none">
1959 AH 100-6<br clear="none">
1967 MGB<br clear="none">
Milwaukie, OR</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">On Sat,
Feb 5, 2022, 3:12 PM Perry Small via Healeys <<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Harold</font></div>
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seeing Marks response I reread your email. The Lucas red lens were
made of red glass not coated. True, the red color
varies. </font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Your comment about the
colour ‘peeling off’ puzzles me.</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">I agree that the red
beehive lens does come in a small variety of shades – some quite
dark – but mine are all red glass right through. <b>No
red coating</b>.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Mark</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Ardmore</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2"><b>From:</b> Harold Manifold <<a>manifold@telus.net</a>> <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 5 February 2022 2:49 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Ken Fleming via Healeys <<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Restoring Lucas L594
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Hello,</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">I have
4 red original glass Lucas L594 Red Beehive tail light lens.
Unfortunately no two match. The colour is either
different, <span style="color:#000000;background:#FFFF00;">faded
or starting to peel off.</span></font></div>
<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Has
anyone has good success stripping the old red and then recoating
with a new red?</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">I know
you can buy new but these are original and I would like to reuse
them. Any tips or suggestions are appreciated. What type of coating
is recommended.</font></div>
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<div class="yiv4599434342MsoNormal"><font size="2">Thanks….. Harold</font></div>
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