<html><body>One of the problems in getting the correct springs is the <b>thickness of the leaves</b>. If I remember, the factory British stock material was .059" and in the US there is none of that thickness available. The thinnest material available is .065. If you build up a spring using all of the thicker material it will not fit the car eyes, or the u-bolts.<div><br></div><div>Luckily, when I rebuilt my 100, the spring shop in Portland, OR. had enough existing material stock to combine with my thinner original main leaf and I was able to put the unit together and into the rear end. At the time, 2015, he said that he was not able to get any more of that material when his stock was gone.</div><div><br></div><div>Since my car is of early production, it uses the A series spring: 7 leaves, with 1/4" negative camber. The C-spring is another whole issue with that double eye. Hank<br><br><div class="reply-new-signature"></div><p>-----------------------------------------</p>From: "Michael Salter via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net><br>To: "Bob Spidell"<br>Cc: "healeys@autox.team.net"<br>Sent: Monday November 22 2021 3:21:54PM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 Rear Springs<br><br>
<div>IMHO Bob this is very typical of unscrupulous
companies who operate in this business.
<div>They are well aware that only very small
proportion on customers will make the effort to complain or caution
others.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>M</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon., Nov. 22, 2021, 6:11 p.m.
Bob Spidell, <<a>bspidell@comcast.net</a>>
wrote:<br></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Wow. Makes me extra glad my dad made the effort to
restore our BN2’s original springs, including my sourcing new zinc
interleaves from a guy who had bought a sheet and had them cut to
spec on a shear.</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">Why is it so hard to get decent repop springs?</div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr"><br></div>
<div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote>On Nov 22, 2021, at 2:38 PM, Michael Salter
via Healeys <<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote>
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<div>Well<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;">, based</span>
o<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;">pon</span> the
advice given <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;">and a carefully
reading ofthe information on their web page <a href="https://britishclassiccarparts.com/"></a><a href="https://britishclassiccarparts.com/">https://britishclassiccarparts.com/</a></span>
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;">which includes this
statement: <i><b>BCC will only supply springs that comply, as
best possible, with OEM specifications or better</b></i></span> I
ordered a pair of BN1 <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;">rear
springs.</span><br></div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="gmail_default">Initially I thought my order had not gone through
because despite their statement that <i><b>"Your order confirmation
from BCC will include basic dimensional information on the spring
you have ordered allowing you to check against the springs you are
replacing"</b></i> I received no confirmation from BCC that the
order had been received and the only way to confirm that it had
indeed been received aws to check my account withdrawals.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="gmail_default">These springs are not inexpensive and ended up
costing almost 3 times what they would have cost from one of the
usual suspects.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="gmail_default">When I finally received the shipment and had an
opportunity to examine what had been supplied I was far from
impressed.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="gmail_default">This is my email sent to BCC regarding their
<b><i>"OEM specifications or better"</i></b> product.<br></div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="gmail_default"><br></div>
<div style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;" class="gmail_default">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">Dear Sirs,
</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">We recently
received from yourselves a pair of rear leaf springs purchased for
an Austin Healey 100 BN1 which we are restoring to concours level
for a long-time customer.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">The preamble on
your web site states “<b>BCC will only supply springs that comply,
as best possible, with OEM specifications or
better.”</b></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">You also state
“<b>Your order confirmation from BCC will include basic dimensional
information on the spring you have ordered allowing you to check
against the springs you are replacing.”</b> We received neither an
order confirmation nor the dimensional information
mentioned.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">The springs that
we have received do not come even close to the OEM specifications
for the springs for a BN1.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">There were 3
types of leaf springs supplied for the BN1. The final design,
fitted after body number C.154647 was arrived at after much
experimentation as many owners experienced difficulties with the
rear suspension of these vehicles.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">The last type,
part number 1B829, had the following specifications:</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">Free
length<span> </span> 34.75” </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">Laden length
36”</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">Free camber
3.75”</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">Laden camber
0.25”</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">Deflection 4” @
490 lbs</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">Number of leaves
8</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">Number of zinc
interleaves 3</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">6 rebound clips
were used on each spring, 2 open to the top and one, the outer,
open to the bottom.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">The rebound
clips were closed using ¼” UNF countersunk slot screws with tubular
spacers. </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">A special
extra-long “toe bolt” head was required to penetrate the fiber pads
and tapered spacers.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">The springs that
you have supplied are absolutely unsuitable for use on this vehicle
and are <b>nothing like OEM specifications</b>.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">In addition to
the above the following are some of the other problems that we have
noticed with your product.</span></i></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in .5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span>1.<span style="font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;"> </span></span>
Free camber 4.75”</span></i></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in .5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span>2.<span style="font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;"> </span></span>
No zinc interleaves at all.</span></i></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in .5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span>3.<span style="font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;"> </span></span>
Metric thread hex head rebound clip screws (threatening the tyre
sidewalls)</span></i></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in .5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span>4.<span style="font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;"> </span></span>
Short “toe bolt” heads (very dangerous as the axle will be located
by friction alone if these springs were to be
installed)</span></i></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0in .5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span>5.<span style="font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;"> </span></span>
Middle rebound clip installed upside down</span></i></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 8pt .5in;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span>6.<span style="font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;"> </span></span>
Nothing locating the end rebound clips </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">We have not
bothered to install these springs because this would obviously be a
total waste of our time. </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">The cost of
these springs £576.27 plus local taxes of $CDN107.20 (£63.01) for a
total of £639.28.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">We could have
purchased Indian made reproduction springs, which we have used
previously and are considerably more accurate aesthetically, from a
local supplier for about 30% of the cost from yourselves but based
upon the claims on your advertising opted to purchase what were
reputed to be the best available.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">We do not
believe that it is unreasonable of us to expect a full refund as
your product does not even come close to being what you
advertise.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">We will be happy
to return this defective product to you at your
expense.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;">Please
advise.</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"> Michael
Salter</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;">The answer received from the General
Manager of BCC served no useful purpose and indicated that he
should definitely seek a career in politics when BCC goes
under.</span></span><i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><br></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;"><br></span></font></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;">
<i><span style="font-family:'times new roman', serif;"><font size="4"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;">NOT
RECOMMENDED</span></font><br></span></i></p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon., Oct. 25, 2021, 8:09 p.m.
John Sims, <<a>ahbn6@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
<div>Try <a href="http://britishclassiccarparts.com">britishclassiccarparts.com</a>
<div><br><br><br><a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661">Sent from the all new
AOL app for iOS</a><br><br><p style="font-size:15px;color:rgb(113,95,250);padding-top:15px;margin-top:0px;">
On Monday, October 25, 2021, 8:05 PM, Alan Seigrist via Healeys
<<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Hi Michael -</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>My experience is to have spring makers in the UK make them
up. There are several there, and generally they know what
they are doing.<br><br>
Best,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Alan</div>
</div>
<div><br><div>
<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 2:26 AM, Michael Salter
<<a>michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
<div>As is so common with "offshore " products I'm having ongoing
problems with the currently available rear springs, in particular
those for the 100.
<div>It seems that all the usual suspects source these from the
same manufacturer in India and it is my suspicion that these are
made from substandard steel. </div>
<div>Typically leaf springs are made from 5160 steel which is
incredibly resistant to deformation and fatigue. I don't have
facilities to determine what steel is used to make these springs
but it certainly isn't 5160!!</div>
<div>Has anyone found a source for rear springs which last more
than a few years?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>M</div>
<div><br></div>
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