<div dir="auto">So now you are overhauling your entire hydraulic system and blowing out your lines.<div dir="auto">Never seen sand before....very strange<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Ira Erbs<br>1959 AH 100-6<br>1967 MGB<br>Milwaukie, OR</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, 11:44 AM Don via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Problem found . I was able to remove the clutch slave cylinder. I took the dust cap off and what looks like sand came pouring out . Piston frozen solid . <img src="cid:47B75DC2-941A-49BF-9F4D-1938FA333EEB-L0-001"><br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 7, 2021, at 11:35 AM, Bob Spidell via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
re: "the clutch plate would have to be stuck [to the] transmission
shaft"<br>
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The most plausible explanation yet. Sitting for years, esp. in a
damp climate, the splines could very well 'rust-weld' together given
their small clearance. I don't know if it's common practice, but I
always put some tenacious grease, usually wheel bearing grease, on
those splines (thin coat only). <br>
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<div>On 11/7/2021 7:59 AM, Harold Manifold
via Healeys wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would sort out the hydraulics first and
then if it still doesn’t move the clutch pressure plate
mechanism may be seized. The clutch plate would have to be
stuck to both the pressure plate and the flywheel and or the
transmission shaft to prevent movement.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Harold<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From:
</b><a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Simon Lachlan via Healeys</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:43 AM<br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Healeys</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">After/during a
protracted battle with my clutch, I can confirm that it
takes a lot of effort to move the fork by hand. A LOT. I
used a lever and got virtually nowhere, but then, it seems,
I’d been sold the wrong clutch cover.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">What did impress me was
the comparison between how hard/impossible it was to move by
hand and how easy it was to get it to move with the pedal
once the hydraulics were 100%. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Certainly, I’d want to
convince myself that the hydraulics were 100% before
assuming that the disk was stuck.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys
<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><healeys-bounces@autox.team.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob
Spidell via Healeys<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 November 2021 03:56<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<span lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">re: "Would this happen if the clutch disc was
stuck to the flywheel?"<br>
<br>
I think if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel
you'd still get at least some movement of the pedal. Early
cars used coil springs in the cover plate to hold the disk
firm to the flywheel, and later cars used diaphragm
'springs.' I think with either you'd at least be able to
move the pedal until the springs reached their limit of
travel (or you left leg reached its limit of strength). <br>
<br>
It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for a long
time it's conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled
and/or crystallized to the point it prevents flow to the
slave cylinder (I have had BF gell up). I'm not sure you can
move the release bearing fork much by hand, though I haven't
tried; those are some strong springs in the cover plate.<br>
<br>
Bob<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On 11/6/2021 7:52 PM,
Don via Healeys wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Sorry I didn’t finish
my story about the fixes I’ve done so far . When I first
got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal it
wouldn’t move. After removing the carbs , which I’m going
to rebuild I was able to access the clutch master
cylinder. After removing the lines to the master cylinder
i was able to push the pedal to the floor . I’m replacing
the lines to both the clutch and brake master cylinder.
I’m replacing both master cylinders . I’m replacing the
hydraulic fluid tank as it leaks. When I got under the car
and looked at the clutch slave cylinder, which I’m
replacing I can’t move the clutch fork. I can’t budge it ,
I can’t move the piston rod . I’m going to finish
rebuilding, replacing everything in both the clutch and
brake hydraulics system. I’m just Puzzled as to why won’t
move . Would this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to
the flywheel? I may answer my own question the farther I
get into the rebuild. I don’t want to need to replace the
clutch. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB"> Don <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Sent from my
iPhone<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, <a href="mailto:gradea1@charter.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gradea1@charter.net</a>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Twelve years
could have built up some "goo" in the clutch master
cylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As
Perry says, could also be the same issue in the
slave. However, the clutch is hydraulic and the
pedal does not move any mechanics (other than the
piston rod) so it can't be mechanically hung up. The
clutch disc is another issue which may show up
later, and I would wonder if the brakes are
functioning? Moisture really plays havoc with
hydraulics especially if the car is not in a
conditioned space. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-GB">This is a good time to change all the
fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or replace
cylinders-fun stuff. Hank<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB">-----------------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">From: "Perry
Small via Healeys" <br>
To: "Don Day"<br>
Cc: "healey list"<br>
Sent: Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate<br>
<br>
Don<br>
Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the
pin at the slave and see if the clutch pedal will
move.<br>
P<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
> On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via
Healeys <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><healeys@autox.team.net></a>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi List<br>
> If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for
over 12 years , Allegedly in a garage and I’m
thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to the
flywheel, can’t push clutch pedal in , can it be
freed up .<br>
> Thanks Don<br>
><br>
><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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