<div dir="ltr">Looks like the ZDDP level in VR1 20w50 is pretty good at 1,400 ppm<div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 11:01 AM Bob Spidell via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Subject to debate. The literature I've seen from the oil companies
    stress that their products are carefully formulated, and adding
    anything to them is not a good idea. Also, ZDDP was first used as a
    detergent, with its wear surface protection a surprising side-effect
    (like how tetra-ethyl lead was added to gas to increase octane
    rating, and its cushioning and protecting of valve seats was a
    side-effect). But, it's human nature to think "If a little of this
    is good, a lot HAS to be better," but it's not necessarily true.
    ZDDP is corrosive in high concentrations; the 'sweet spot' appears
    to be about 1,500PPM. <br>
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    Ordinarily, I'd attribute Michael's failed lifters (cam?) to
    improper break-in, but I'm sure M used proper procedures, which
    makes this doubly mysterious and concerning. I don't know how bucket
    lifters would change the outcome; their main benefit seems to be
    reduced wear of the block.<br>
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    <div>On 8/8/2021 6:19 PM, i erbs via Healeys
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">Good practice<br>
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        <div>Ira Erbs<br>
          1959 AH 100-6<br>
          1967 MGB<br>
          Milwaukie, OR</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, 6:09 PM
          Alan Seigrist <<a href="mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com" target="_blank">healey.nut@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">So adding zddp on top of whatever is in there
            is okay?  I have Castrol 20W-50 in my motor... also use the
            Valvoline too.</div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at
              11:11 PM Michael Oritt via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">In
                  about 2007 just before ZDDP content in motor oils
                  became a commonly talked-about issue in vintage racing
                  communities, I bought a new race engine for my
                  MGA-powered Elva Courier from a reputable builder who
                  recommended I use Mobil 1.  Somewhere during the first
                  race weekend performance fell off and upon disassembly
                  it was determined that the cam lobes had been damaged
                  due to wear from the lifters.  </div>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">After
                  replacing the cam and lifters I began using RP racing
                  oil and throwing in ZDDP additive for good measure. 
                  Though the Royal Purple probably contained sufficient
                  zddp on its own and some folks cautioned against too
                  high levels of zinc I have  continued this combination
                  and have not lost a cam, etc. since.</div>
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                <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">YMMV....  </div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at
                  11:16 PM Michael Salter <<a href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="auto">The first sign of problems was having
                    to adjust the tappets which had initially been
                    silent after 2000 miles and then again at 4500.
                    <div dir="auto">After adjusting they were still
                      audible and had previously been silent.</div>
                    <div dir="auto">Then at the 2000 and 4000 mile oil
                      changes there was "fir" in the drain plug magnet.</div>
                    <div dir="auto">I'm very disappointed to have
                      destroyed a very low mileage "M" cam and a set of
                      NOS lifters that I had been saving for decades.</div>
                    <div dir="auto">I'm seriously considering having
                      silicon nitride lifters manufactured but at over
                      $1000 a set its a serious investment.</div>
                    <div dir="auto"><br>
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                    <div dir="auto">M</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed., Aug. 4,
                      2021, 10:47 a.m. Steven Kingsbury, <<a href="mailto:airtightproductions@icloud.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">airtightproductions@icloud.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                        <div>I just rebuilt my 100 engine and purchased
                          my lifters from AH Spares in the UK. These
                          were their new design for better oil flow. I
                          now have 1000 miles or so on the new engine
                          and once I got my problems figured out with my
                          distributor, the car is running well and
                          smooth.</div>
                        <div>   Now I'm wondering when the other shoe is
                          going to drop! What problems did you have
                          pointing you to the lifters as the source of
                          those problems? When I retorqued the head, I
                          readjusted the rockers and found no problems.
                          They were a little off, but I expected a
                          little.</div>
                        <div>   What should I be looking for? I used
                          Driven Break In oil and then I switched to VR1
                          like you after 500 miles. I have been driving
                          the car to build up some trust in it and it's
                          turning in to a joy to drive. I've got M mods
                          on this engine, cam, H6 carbs, M pistons and
                          these new lifters. So far, so good. </div>
                        <div>   Thanks for your help,</div>
                        <div>Steven Kingsbury</div>
                        <div>BN1</div>
                        <div><br>
                          On August 3, 2021 at 5:19 PM, Michael Salter
                          via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
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                              <div dir="auto">After only 6000 miles the
                                NOS BMC lifters that I installed in my
                                engine with a very low mileage "M" cam
                                have started to deteriorate. 
                                <div dir="auto">This engine has had a
                                  steady diet of VR1 non synthetic and
                                  it has had 4 changes in 6K miles. </div>
                                <div dir="auto">Very disappointing. </div>
                                <div dir="auto">I'm  considering trying
                                  bucket type Buick lifters with longer
                                  push rods and a new cam.</div>
                                <div dir="auto">Does anyone have
                                  experience with the durability of the
                                  old Buick lifters ... getting a little
                                  desperate here.</div>
                                <div dir="auto">Fortunately I caught
                                  this issue before it ruined the
                                  engine.</div>
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                                <div dir="auto">M</div>
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