<div dir="ltr">Looks like the ZDDP level in VR1 20w50 is pretty good at 1,400 ppm<div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 11:01 AM Bob Spidell via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Subject to debate. The literature I've seen from the oil companies
stress that their products are carefully formulated, and adding
anything to them is not a good idea. Also, ZDDP was first used as a
detergent, with its wear surface protection a surprising side-effect
(like how tetra-ethyl lead was added to gas to increase octane
rating, and its cushioning and protecting of valve seats was a
side-effect). But, it's human nature to think "If a little of this
is good, a lot HAS to be better," but it's not necessarily true.
ZDDP is corrosive in high concentrations; the 'sweet spot' appears
to be about 1,500PPM. <br>
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Ordinarily, I'd attribute Michael's failed lifters (cam?) to
improper break-in, but I'm sure M used proper procedures, which
makes this doubly mysterious and concerning. I don't know how bucket
lifters would change the outcome; their main benefit seems to be
reduced wear of the block.<br>
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<div>On 8/8/2021 6:19 PM, i erbs via Healeys
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<div dir="auto">Good practice<br>
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<div>Ira Erbs<br>
1959 AH 100-6<br>
1967 MGB<br>
Milwaukie, OR</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, 6:09 PM
Alan Seigrist <<a href="mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com" target="_blank">healey.nut@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">So adding zddp on top of whatever is in there
is okay? I have Castrol 20W-50 in my motor... also use the
Valvoline too.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at
11:11 PM Michael Oritt via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">In
about 2007 just before ZDDP content in motor oils
became a commonly talked-about issue in vintage racing
communities, I bought a new race engine for my
MGA-powered Elva Courier from a reputable builder who
recommended I use Mobil 1. Somewhere during the first
race weekend performance fell off and upon disassembly
it was determined that the cam lobes had been damaged
due to wear from the lifters. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">After
replacing the cam and lifters I began using RP racing
oil and throwing in ZDDP additive for good measure.
Though the Royal Purple probably contained sufficient
zddp on its own and some folks cautioned against too
high levels of zinc I have continued this combination
and have not lost a cam, etc. since.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">YMMV.... </div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at
11:16 PM Michael Salter <<a href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto">The first sign of problems was having
to adjust the tappets which had initially been
silent after 2000 miles and then again at 4500.
<div dir="auto">After adjusting they were still
audible and had previously been silent.</div>
<div dir="auto">Then at the 2000 and 4000 mile oil
changes there was "fir" in the drain plug magnet.</div>
<div dir="auto">I'm very disappointed to have
destroyed a very low mileage "M" cam and a set of
NOS lifters that I had been saving for decades.</div>
<div dir="auto">I'm seriously considering having
silicon nitride lifters manufactured but at over
$1000 a set its a serious investment.</div>
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<div dir="auto">M</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed., Aug. 4,
2021, 10:47 a.m. Steven Kingsbury, <<a href="mailto:airtightproductions@icloud.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">airtightproductions@icloud.com</a>>
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<div>I just rebuilt my 100 engine and purchased
my lifters from AH Spares in the UK. These
were their new design for better oil flow. I
now have 1000 miles or so on the new engine
and once I got my problems figured out with my
distributor, the car is running well and
smooth.</div>
<div> Now I'm wondering when the other shoe is
going to drop! What problems did you have
pointing you to the lifters as the source of
those problems? When I retorqued the head, I
readjusted the rockers and found no problems.
They were a little off, but I expected a
little.</div>
<div> What should I be looking for? I used
Driven Break In oil and then I switched to VR1
like you after 500 miles. I have been driving
the car to build up some trust in it and it's
turning in to a joy to drive. I've got M mods
on this engine, cam, H6 carbs, M pistons and
these new lifters. So far, so good. </div>
<div> Thanks for your help,</div>
<div>Steven Kingsbury</div>
<div>BN1</div>
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On August 3, 2021 at 5:19 PM, Michael Salter
via Healeys <<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
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<div dir="auto">After only 6000 miles the
NOS BMC lifters that I installed in my
engine with a very low mileage "M" cam
have started to deteriorate.
<div dir="auto">This engine has had a
steady diet of VR1 non synthetic and
it has had 4 changes in 6K miles. </div>
<div dir="auto">Very disappointing. </div>
<div dir="auto">I'm considering trying
bucket type Buick lifters with longer
push rods and a new cam.</div>
<div dir="auto">Does anyone have
experience with the durability of the
old Buick lifters ... getting a little
desperate here.</div>
<div dir="auto">Fortunately I caught
this issue before it ruined the
engine.</div>
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<div dir="auto">M</div>
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