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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Mike:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Thanks for the actual picture with the gasket. My friend George assembled the engine for me. He has experience on engines, is a machinist/rigger and would not have assembled the back plate without the gasket. Also, he drilled and tapped the screws to hold the modified crank seal. So why is there such a large amount of oil coming into my bell housing. Maybe George and I will not know ourselves until next fall. Meanwhile, I am asking everyone ideas on why and where is the oil coming out so strongly? Is a thicker gasket material needed? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Is there anyone else who has experienced the oil leaks and gone back in to find out why?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bob <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 28, 2021 2:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Robert Begani <rfbegani@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Austin Healey list <healeys@autox.team.net>; John and Kerry Rowe <jtkarowe@gmail.com>; David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] where does the oil leak begin if the crank seal and the new seal are not the cause<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The Moss rear gasket, which based upon the packaging is a Payen kit, seems to fulfil the requirement of sealing around the back end of the cam.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><img width=414 height=516 style='width:4.3166in;height:5.375in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D73C3F.9769D2A0"></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I can't believe that John actually entirely missed installing the back plate gasket so I don't really understand the issue.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>M</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 12:27 PM <<a href="mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com">rfbegani@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Listeners:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>It has been explained by some members of this group that the rear Mounting Plate Gasket in the Moss kit is not sufficient to contain the oil back of the camshaft drain. Now I am not knowledgeable on the conditions of the rear mount plate and the gasket, However, John Rowe after 10 years of living with oil leaks even with the modified seal installed, removed the trans, flywheel, mounting plate etc, and found it dry. Let us review what he did find.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>I fitted the modified seal 10 years ago and have always had an oil leak since. After finally removing the gearbox for repair last month I removed flywheel etc to have a look at it. I removed the backing plate and no leaks were identified around the seal, it was totally dry. However, the back of the camshaft drain was a different scenario. I then noticed there should have been a gasket according to the books, which mine did not have. I had used a silicone gasket maker in that area and that failed (didn't work). I made a thick 1.6mm (1/16inch) gasket and now think I have solved the leaks problem</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>Bob, The gasket I made only had a 'cutout' for the crankshaft itself. The remainder covered the back of the camshaft opening, which runs down to drain back into the block. It looks like an inverted teardrop.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt'> It covers the whole machined area of the rear of the block. I put permatex sealant all over the flat machined area especially around the camshaft opening. This was done with the engine in- situ while the gearbox was removed, quite easy but heavy</span>.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>What say you to those who are familiar with the rear of the engine, the rear plate, and the overall rear mounting plate gasket. Is there are missing gasket in the Moss Kit? Was there ever a gasket for the area? Should the rear plate gasket be redesigned to include more coverage? Should we just forget about the Moss gasket and construct gasket as John had done to solve the oil leaks forever.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The reason I ask this of the Group, I will next fall have to remove the trans etc. to install a new clutch plate and want to be prepared to do something to stop the leaking of oil even thought the installation of PVC system has greatly reduced the volume.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Comments?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bob Begani</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Support Team.Net <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Suggested annual donation $12.75<br><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys</a> <a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br><br><a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank">Healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michaelsalter@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>