<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Super article.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Larry Swift<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 22, 2018, at 3:32 AM, Curtis Arndt <<a href="mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com" class="">cnaarndt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">John,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Like most British bolts of the earlier part of last century, the Vendor name was printed on the bolt, e.g. Rubery-Owen or RO, Bees, Wiley, Woden and about 30+ others. So to answer your question... BEES was the vendor. The bolt you refer to with an actual Bee on the head is a very early bolt, and is one that I have in my collection. It most likely is a Whitworth bolt, either BSF (fine) or BSW (coarse).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The <span style="font-family: arial;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: arial;" class="">"Rubery Owen B28-35"</span> that you refer to is a "Mild" steel bolt, similar to an SAE Grade "2" US bolt. The strength rating is "B" and the measurement is 28 to 35 tons per square inch or tons tensile. The range refers to "yield" strength and "ultimate tensile" strength as described in my attached article. FYI, multiply 28 or 35 times a ton and you'll get the strength in pounds, or psi... HOWEVER we're talking British here, so it's not 2,000 pounds as in a US ton but 2,240 pounds as in a British Long Ton!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Along with the vendor name was the strength rating expressed as a letter which for<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">hi tensile</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>bolts was D, E, F and G prior to 1950 and changed to R, S, T, U, V, W, and X after 1950. I have included (attached) my draft on British Strength rating codes decoded which I hope to officially publish on my blog site once it's up and running.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, the bolt heads were marked to differentiate Whitworth (BSW, BSF, etc...) from UNF and UNC once this new thread form system was phased in during the early 1950s. For bolts, that was a "circular" depression on the head of the bolt which meant the bolt was a "Unified" versus a "Whitworth" thread form bolt.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope this helps and email me directly if you have any further questions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Curt</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 9:01 PM Michael Oritt <<a href="mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com" class="">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">Hi John--</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">Check this out:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#3333ff" class=""><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1--MCxAPKY/s1600/Bee:1.jpg" target="_blank" class="">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2zllShyvv34/UQLGj7XqZjI/AAAAAAAAPUg/e1--MCxAPKY/s1600/Bee:1.jpg</a></font><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#3333ff" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#3333ff" class="">Happy Thanksgiving to you and Cindi.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#3333ff" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#3333ff" class="">Best--Michael Oritt</font></div></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 10:19 PM John Vrugtman <<a href="mailto:javrugtman@htcnet.org" target="_blank" class="">javrugtman@htcnet.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen" target="_blank" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubery_Owen</a><br class=""><br class="">Bees bolts seem to be very obscure, saw a picture of one, but no reference to the manufacturer <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><div class="m_-7474963336397339075m_-9095152134635478455moz-cite-prefix">On 11/21/2018 6:58 PM,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="m_-7474963336397339075m_-9095152134635478455moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:warthodson@aol.com" target="_blank">warthodson@aol.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><font size="2" face="arial" class=""><div class="">I was sorting thru a box of hardware & found two bolts that I cannot identify. They both are approx. 1/4" diameter. They both have the same thread per inch. According to my thread gage they are between 24 & 26 TPI. So call it 25 TPI. I do not have a metric thread gage to check them against.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One is marked "Rubery Owen B28-35" on the head & measures about 5/8" long. The other is marked "BEES" & has a embossed emblem of a bee on the head & measures about 3/4" long. The lengths do not include the head, of course. No other markings on the heads.</div><div class="">They will not accept a BSF nut, UNF or UNC nut or any metric nuts that I have. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Can anyone ID these for me?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Gary Hodson </div></font><br class=""><fieldset class="m_-7474963336397339075m_-9095152134635478455mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Support <a href="http://team.net" class="">Team.Net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br class="">Suggested annual donation $12.75<br class=""><br class="">Archive:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br class=""><br class=""><a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank" class="">Healeys@autox.team.net</a><br class=""><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a><br class=""><br class="">Unsubscribe/Manage:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/michael.oritt@gmail.com</a><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Support <a href="http://team.net" class="">Team.Net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br class="">Suggested annual donation $12.75<br class=""><br class="">Archive:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://www.team.net/pipermail/healeys</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/archive" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br class=""><br class=""><a href="mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net" target="_blank" class="">Healeys@autox.team.net</a><br class=""><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/healeys</a><br class=""><br class="">Unsubscribe/Manage:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/healeys/cnaarndt@gmail.com</a><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><span id="cid:f_josbvlwu0"><British Fastener Names.doc></span><span id="cid:f_josbvtgj1"><British Bolt Strength Ratings Decoded.pdf></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; 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