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<DIV>I’m not clear about who wrote what, but <STRONG>ALL Healey wing badges
<U><EM><FONT color=#ff0000>WERE</FONT></EM></U> CLOISONNÉ (</STRONG>up to late
BJ8s, starting in Dec. 1966, as stated in the current
Guidelines<STRONG>)!!!!!!!! </STRONG>You can tell this because the
red lettering color is transparent and you can see through to the backing.</DIV>
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<DIV>This is why you cannot just repair the red on a badge. The Cloisonné
process requires high heat and would destroy the Cr plating – they do the
lettering first and plate with Cr afterwards.</DIV>
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<DIV>I have had manly original badges restored by P-D Enamels in England.
Yes, their name has “Enamels” in it, but the process they use to replicate
original badges like the Healey winged ones is Cloisonné. They have seen a
very large number of these and have restored them exactly as-new. They
agree that the red ‘fill’ was Cloisonné!!! They restore them with this
material.</DIV>
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<DIV>Look at old defective badges. Where the color has started to separate
from the backing it looks darker. This is because you are looking through
a glass and can identify separation from the backing. Where it is
missing in places it looks exactly like chipped out glass, not paint. It
is much thicker than paint.</DIV>
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<DIV>On the late BJ8s they went to paint. This looks totally
different!!!</DIV>
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<DIV>The Guidelines as currently written are correct!! <STRONG>DO NOT
CHANGE!!!!!!!!</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><BR>I’ll ‘go to the mat’ on this!!!!</DIV>
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<DIV>Roger</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=cnaarndt@gmail.com>Curtis
Arndt</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=gbrierton@hotmail.com>gary brierton</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=healeys@autox.team.net>Healey List</A> ; <A
title=michael.salter@gmail.com>Michael Salter</A> ; <A
title=sentenac.rw@gmail.com>Roland Wilhelmy</A> ; <A
title=rmoment@comcast.net>Roger Moment</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Paint type</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Gary,
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<DIV>With all due respect, sorry but you are mistaken on a number of points.
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<DIV><B>Michael Salter... Please make this my first revision for the next
Concours Guidelines update. </B></DIV>
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<DIV>First off, the badges were never Cloisonne, they are red enamel. Yes,
the Concours Guidelines state that they are Cloisonne, the Guidelines are
WRONG. I am officially submitting an update for the next Concours
Guidelines revision.</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=gmail-fontstyle0
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookmanoldstyle; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(34,34,34)">Copied
from the Concours Guidelines...</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><I><SPAN class=gmail-fontstyle0
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookmanoldstyle; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">"All
cars up through the Mark I 3000s had flat Austin-Healey "wings" mounted on the
front between the grille and bonnet opening, with <U>red cloisonné lettering</U>
inset in chrome."</SPAN> </I></DIV>
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<DIV>Change to read<I> <FONT
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><B>"</B></FONT></I><B><I><SPAN
class=gmail-fontstyle0
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookmanoldstyle; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">red
enamel lettering</SPAN></I><I><FONT
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">"</FONT></I></B><BR
style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal"></DIV>
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<DIV>This is where the confusion first arises!</DIV>
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<DIV>Secondly, all Austin Healey badges were red enamel from the very first BN1
in 1953 through the BJ8 at chassis no. 39975. After that they were indeed
painted red. Also copied from the Concours Guidelines...</DIV>
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<DIV><I><SPAN class=gmail-fontstyle0
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookmanoldstyle; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">"BJ8s
produced starting around C. 39,975 (approximate date – December 1966) had a
similar badge that <U>was not cloisonné but was painted red instead of the
cloisonné</U>.</SPAN> <SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookmanoldstyle; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">These
later badges have a smooth background instead of the pebbled background of
</SPAN><SPAN class=gmail-fontstyle0
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookmanoldstyle; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">the
enameled badges." </SPAN></I></DIV>
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<DIV>Change to read<I> <B>"</B></I><I><SPAN class=gmail-fontstyle0
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookmanoldstyle; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><B>was
not enamel but was painted red instead of the enamel."</B></SPAN></I></DIV>
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<DIV>Karla Maxwell, a trained jeweler with 45+ years experience who owns Maxwell
Enamels will tell you, as she told me 25 years ago that automotive badges are
enamel and NOT Cloisonne. Karla is the premier automotive emblem restorer
in the US, is in high demand for Pebble Beach participants, is a neighbor and
personal friend of 25+ years. Karla has restored a number of badges personally
for me, and I have done some Bakelite restoration work for Karla for Pebble
Beach cars that she was working on. Oh, and Karla's business is Maxwell
Enamels NOT Maxwell Cloisonne. In the UK the best known badge restorer is
PD Enamels, NOT PD Cloisonne.</DIV>
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<DIV>I hope that this clears things up once and for all.</DIV>
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<DIV>This is from Karla's FAQ section of her website... <A
href="http://www.maxwellenamels.com/FAQs.html">http://www.maxwellenamels.com/FAQs.html</A></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0b1a7a><FONT
face=Arial><B>FAQ... How was my emblem created? </B></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>These enameled emblems are often, <B><SPAN
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,0)">incorrectly</SPAN>, referred to as
<I>cloisonné</I></B>. Cloisonné is an enamel process in which separate bands of
metal are bent then applied to a base. These labor intensive bands encase the
enamel and create the design. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,0)">I
have yet to see an automobile emblem done with cloisonné.</SPAN> The process
that is used is called <I>champlevé</I> (pronounced
shomp´-leh-vay).</FONT></FONT></P></SPAN>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>The champlevé
technique involves applying enamel into depressions in the base metal. These
depressions may be etched, engraved or, in the case of automobile emblems, die
stamped. The stamping process can also include the beautiful design work that
shows under transparent enamels.</FONT></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Historically the word enamel meant glass but today it
seems to refer to any shiny color. The correct terminology is <I>vitreous</I>
[glass] enamel. It is a true glass that melts and fuses around 1400 degrees
F. Enamel can be obtained as opaque, translucent or transparent. The
colors are created by the addition of metallic oxides to the glass.</FONT></P>
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<DIV dir=ltr>On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 8:31 PM Gary R. Brierton
<<A>gbrierton@hotmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri,helvetica,sans-serif,serif,emojifont">OK...let's
try and clear this up. As I understand it, the "flat wings with the
Austin-Healey script" commonly seen on BN1, BN2 and (I don't know when it
stopped), had red paint of unknown shade in the etched out lettering.
Along came the larger badges with MKII or whatever, in <SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: "times new roman","new york",times,serif,serif,emojifont'>cloisonne</SPAN>.
THEN, to really screw us up, those badges returned to red paint of unknown
shade, seemingly during BJ8 production. As was true with almost
everything involving our cars, the exact change VIN number for all of this is
largely indeterminate, at least as far as trim pieces are concerned...oh, and
some major body parts, like wings with one or two signaling lights, swag
lines, whatever. Reliable reports (from D.M.H.!) state that the guiding
principle in assembling our cars was "use up what was on hand".</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: calibri,helvetica,sans-serif,serif,emojifont">I claim
no expertise beyond owning Austin-Healeys and associating with their owners
for over 50 years (so, mainly the 6 cylinder cars).</DIV>
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it away, Curt, Randy, Steve, et. al.<SPAN>😁</SPAN></DIV>
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